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---Logopened Tue Jul 21 00:00:46 2009
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00:01<jaremey>Im am trying to burn an AVI file to a DVD so that I can watch it on my DVD player. Is there someone that can help me?
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00:03<dr|z3d>jakeriver: Use K3B or another app. Most should allow you to do that.
00:05<jaremey>where do i get k3b
00:05<jaremey>my add/remove is gone
00:05<dr|z3d>aptitude install k3b should do it.
00:06<dr|z3d>(from a console).
00:06<dr|z3d>Or use Synaptic. Whichever suits.
00:06<jaremey>nice thanks
00:13<jaremey>Im am trying to burn an AVI file to a DVD using bsoero so that I can watch it on my DVD player. Is there someone that can help me?
00:14<jaremey>i cant add anymore apps. my comp is messed up i have no permissions
00:15<remy>what problem did you say?
00:16<jaremey>i just need to bur and avi to dvd using brasero
00:17<remy>ok, but what's wrong with brasero or burning or whatever?
00:17<remy>or with your system?
00:17<remy>explain, please.
00:17<jaremey>nothing that i know of i just dont know how.
00:17<jaremey>i tried starting a new vedo project
00:18<jaremey>added the avi and i have no idea what to do next
00:18<Toxicshell>jaremey, install devede
00:19<jaremey>i cant install anything right now because i have no permissions. my omputer is all messed up
00:19<jaremey>ill deal with that later
00:19<jaremey>i was just hoping i could do it with brasero
00:21<Toxicshell>so what who you doing ?
00:21<remy>i would have tried with a 'data project', but not sure
00:21<remy>just try to see if it works better
00:21<remy>AVI is data
00:22<jaremey>ok ill try that
00:22<Toxicshell>if the dvd player support that format
00:22<remy>and you'll read as a data file anyway
00:22<Toxicshell>maybe can work
00:22<Toxicshell>but if dvd player don't support...
00:22<remy>well, it should read it as video file...
00:22<Toxicshell>just can do install devede to convert the *.avi
00:22<dr|z3d>No, no.
00:23<jaremey>what should i do
00:23<dr|z3d>If you want to play the DVD on a standalone player, you'll need to author it as a DVD.
00:23<dr|z3d>Some players will take data discs, many won't.
00:23<jaremey>how do i do that. mine wont
00:23<dr|z3d>If yours happens to support data discs, then ok.
00:24<dr|z3d>Brasero? That should allow you to author a movie disc.
00:24<jaremey>mine does not it a cheap walmart speacial
00:24<remy>jaremey: are you gonna play that movie on a computer or on a dvd-player in yoour living room?
00:25<jaremey>dvd player a cheap one
00:25<jaremey>i need DVD format
00:26<dr|z3d>Note that Brasero is recommended, there.
00:26<dr|z3d>jaremey: Also, don't be afraid to google!
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00:29<kullu_boy>hello guys
00:32<kullu_boy>I have debian 5.0.0 lenny and was trying to setup pppoe connection on my box using the tool rp-pppoe. it connects and I am assigned an IP but I am not able to ping any other host except my ISP. I have already queried and entered the nameservers on the /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/ppp/resolv.conf ,restarted the network daemon but still I m noit able to ping. Any Ideas guys.? :)
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00:38<chealer>kullu_boy: did you try pppoeconf?
00:38<dr|z3d>Maybe your ISP is dropping icmp packets.
00:38<kullu_boy>chealer, oh yes I have configured it through pppoeconf :)
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00:38<kullu_boy>chealer, I checked the plog and I can ping to my ISP
00:38<chealer>kullu_boy: what are you unable to ping?
00:39<kullu_boy>chealer, anyhost apart from My ISP
00:39<chealer>kullu_boy: such as?
00:39<chealer>kullu_boy: which IP address?
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00:45<Administrator_>hey chealer you there buddy?
00:45<chealer>Administrator_: yes
00:46<Administrator_>chealer, yes kullu_boy here
00:46<chealer>Administrator_: yeah. so which IP address are you unable to ping?
00:46<Administrator_>chealer, I am not able to ping any site except my ISP
00:47<chealer>Administrator_: please give an example
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00:47<Administrator_>chealer, ping says "Network Unreachable"
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00:48<Administrator_>chealer P-t-P Ip thats my ISP. M able to ping that successfully
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00:49<chealer>Administrator_: what does # ifconfig; output? what does /etc/resolv.conf contain?
00:49<remy>Administrator_: 'ping' resolves to from here
00:50<Administrator_>chealer ifconfig ppp gives me the right info. I have put down the nameservers as queried by plog and have put down in /etc/resolv.conf
00:50<remy>Administrator_: but i am in spain, so don't for you you are.
00:50<Administrator_>remy, google servers are different for different locations.
00:50<Administrator_>but I feel we can ping them
00:50<Administrator_>from antarctica too
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00:51<chealer>Administrator_: I'm not sure what you mean by "I have put down the nameservers as queried by plog and have put down in /etc/resolv.conf"
00:51<chealer>Administrator_: did you manually edit /etc/resolv.conf?
00:52<Administrator_>chealer, yes
00:52<chealer>Administrator_: why?
00:52<Administrator_>chealer, #plog gives the primary and secondary nameservers
00:52<Administrator_>cause it was not working before too
00:53<Administrator_>and the manual told to put the DNS information
00:53<chealer>Administrator_: pon should do that itself. which manual?
00:54<Administrator_>chealer, pppoe
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00:56<Administrator_>chealer so if I can ping my
00:56<Administrator_>ISP and not others
00:56<Administrator_>then its probably the case of resolving hostnames or routing problem ?
00:57<chealer>Administrator_: don't use pppoe. just use pon if you have issues. initially, simply use pppoeconf
00:58<Administrator_>chealer, I used pon only in the beginning and plog says its done but the same problem
00:58<chealer>Administrator_: well, are you able to resolve a hostname?
01:00<Administrator_>chealer, seems like.
01:00<chealer>Administrator_: what do you mean?
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01:00<Administrator_>chealer, that its more likely the hostname resolving problem
01:01<chealer>Administrator_: what makes you write that?
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01:03<Administrator_>chealer, I think I am not getting the problem
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01:04<chealer>Administrator_: I don't follow you
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01:39<Jason1>ok question
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01:39<Jason1>I want a IRC program, not included in any mutliprotocol programs
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01:39<Jason1>just irc program forl inux
01:39<Jason1>for debian
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01:40<Jason1>text is ok
01:40<Jason1>or GUI
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01:40<Jason1>text then
01:40<Toxicshell>you use gnome or kde ?
01:41<Jason1>I prefer gnome over kde
01:41<EmleyMoor>irssi is a good text IRC client
01:41<Toxicshell>or console
01:41<Jason1>did you....
01:41<Jason1>call me a <censored>?
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01:41<jm_>for text you have irssi, scrollz, ircii ...
01:42<jm_>bitchx is no longer in debian
01:42<Jason1>ok how do I install it?
01:42<Toxicshell>jm_, not...
01:42<Toxicshell>but that compile
01:42<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373.
01:42<jm_>yup, just like any other package
01:42<craigevil>Jason1: the same way you install everything in debian aptitude or apt-get install
01:43<Jason1>installing irssi
01:44<Jason1>wow a lot better
01:44<Jason1>but had to learn the keyboard shortcuts
01:45<craigevil>Jason1: you might want the irssi-scripts package if installing irssi didnt pull it in
01:45<Jason1>oh thanks
01:46<jm_>and read some startup docs on their web page otherwise the defaults will annoy you
01:46<Jason1>I don't mind defaults
01:46<jm_>ok then
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01:47<craigevil>Jason1: irssi can do some cool stuff it just takes a while to figure it out, like split windows
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01:48<EmleyMoor>After using zircon for years I tried irssi and found it would do everything I wanted
01:49*phorce1 needs to figure out if his /home/user/.irssi/config can be copied verbatim over to his Windoze emergency irssi anstallation
01:49<EmleyMoor>phorce1: I would try it and see
01:49<Monev>you have to figure out how to split windows, yet in weechat you dont even have to think
01:50<Jason1>ok done installed scripts
01:50<phorce1>I can't get a high enough screen resolution to worry about splitting chat windows
01:51<EmleyMoor>I use windows in irssi - but not split - though I did try that
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01:58<Monev>what can you do with windows that is not splitting?
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01:59<jm_>think of it as like several desktops in wm - they are there but hidden
02:00<Monev>so... you do nothing then?
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02:01<jm_>ehh? no, it will display everything in it and notify you in status bar etc. and you switch to it to check
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02:07<Monev>ok... o_O?
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02:17<ro0t>morning.... I am having problems configuring my eeepc as a client in an VPN.. I installed openvpn,but cannot find tun0 device anywhere, so I assume I must create it... right ??? I can see, anyay, pan0; I googled around but it is quite confusing... any brilliant ideas? thanks
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02:32<ro0t>thanks, I did read the manual,but iḿ ust a poor user , ust don't like non-open software, so is hard for me,sorry .... the point is I tried bringing up the tun0 interface, as I remember from my job, where is already configured, and when i ifconfig -a , I cannot see tun0. So I assume I should create the interface first, but don know the command and my efforts in trying to look for it where 0.
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02:51<Shazburg>I'm using Xen on 64-bit Lenny and I need to setup a 32-bit guest. Can I use apt to pull the 32-bit kernel, or must I work a darker magik?
02:52<twb>Shazburg: surely you use virt-manager to create the domu, not apt-get?
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02:54<Shazburg>twb: Hadn't even come across it before, but I'm looking at it now. And don't call me Shirley. ;)
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03:06<dtapia63>Good evening...
03:06<dtapia63>how can I mount my home folder in another drive?
03:07<twb>dtapia63: certainly
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03:09<dtapia63>new to this, can somebody help, please...
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03:10<noctis>hi, during today's dist-upgrade on squeeze, the system wants to remove korganizer and kaddressbook, but doesn't seem to replace them with something useful. Am I right to abort the upgrade?
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03:20<twb>noctis: are you using aptitude?
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03:20<noctis>twb: no, plain sudo apt-get dist-upgare
03:21<twb>Don't do that, then
03:21<twb>apt-get will not tell you that there IS a conflict, let alone what is it or what solutions exist.
03:21<noctis>twb: you mean "don't do today's upgrade"?
03:21<twb>aptitude will tell you WHY it wants to remove those packages
03:22<noctis>ah, ok. Thanks
03:22<jm_>i.e. aptitude why/why-not is useful
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03:32<twb>I always forget that one
03:33<jm_>me too, it's very usefuk especially when someone mentiones some shit like "but is not going to be installed"
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03:39<noctis>Hmm, the problem is if I install aptitude, I'll have to remove korganizer :-)
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03:40<ao2>hi, can anyone test if is reachable with IPv6? It isn't from here
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03:41<sp>ao2: reachable
03:41<sp>ao2: I'm connected via sixxs
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03:43<ao2>sp, I am with sixxs as well, so the problem is in my transit, it really depends on the route, thanks
03:43<sp>you're welcome
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03:47<lancerocke>can anyone try helping me with what i posted here?
03:48<lancerocke>ive tried the ubuntu irc channel
03:48<jm_>this is for debian, not for ubuntu
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03:54<bzed>lancerocke: 1. never do weird things in /usr/share; 2. the reply in the forum looks right. 3. THIS IS NOT UBUNTU.
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04:27<Shazburg>Is "config_software_suspend=y" in the xen kernels or do you have to roll your own?
04:30<jm_>Shazburg: why not check for yourself?
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04:34<Shazburg>jm_: Because I'm tired and not thinking straight. ;) Thanks.
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05:40<dbbolton>aptitude is looking for updates on but there is no such entry in my sources.list. where is this coming from?
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05:40<themill>dbbolton: anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
05:41<dbbolton>only 1 empty line
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05:41<dbbolton>i tried to open it with vim, but i guess it's a directory
05:42<olet>it is
05:42<dbbolton>oh, then it is empty
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05:42<dbbolton>i had installed opera from one of their debs but i've since removed it
05:43<themill>dbbolton: perhaps pastebin the output of "aptitude update"
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05:46<themill>dbbolton: there must be an entry in there somewhere... "rgrep /etc/apt"
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05:48<jm_>possibly /etc/apt/vendors.list ?
05:50<jm_>you said sources.list.d is empty
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05:52<dbbolton>when i olet said "it is" i thought he meant "it is a file". my bad
05:52<jm_>so there you have it
05:53<olet>you said you guess it's a directory
05:54<dbbolton>i did say that.
05:54<jm_>I have opera.deb installed and it didn't put anything there
05:54<olet>.d in /etc is usualy a directory
05:54<jm_>chromium did though
05:54<vvas>jm_: it's a recent thing
05:55<dbbolton>how can i remove opera from the gpg ring
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05:55<themill>dbbolton: man apt-key
05:56<dbbolton>oh right, apt-key del opera
05:56<vvas>hm, i don't have opera on this computer
05:56*vvas apt-gets
05:56<dbbolton>vvas you aren't missing much
05:56<themill>dbbolton: it will be the key id not "opera" though
05:57<vvas>dbbolton: i quite like opera actually
05:57<vvas>though adblock+ makes it *very* difficult for me to migrate to anything else but firefox
05:57<dbbolton>konqueror has it now
05:58<dbbolton>themill, it said ok when i did it. now i don't see anything related to opera in apt-key list
05:58<jm_>just use privoxy and all browsers will benefit
05:58<vvas>i used to; abp is superior
05:59<vvas>i had been using privoxy back from when it was called "the internet junkbuster", heh
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05:59<jm_>how is it superior?
05:59<dbbolton>does anyone know what these are:
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06:02<vvas>it auto-updates its filter subscriptions; the element hiding works better (and it has a cool interactive UI, as a separate extension); in general interfacing with it is more user-friendly/direct
06:03<vvas>and also in my experience making the browser go through a proxy slows it down (limits simultaneous connections etc)
06:04<jm_>not really, you can configure that in firefox
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06:06<XayOn>I think privoxy is lighter, and can be used where ab can't (as links and so on...)
06:06<vvas>anyway, abp works better for me than privoxy; ymmv
06:07<vvas>XayOn: and exactly what do you need to block in links? :^)
06:07<XayOn>Also, ab just doesn't show them, privoxy really filters them
06:07<XayOn>vvas: links -g
06:07<vvas>XayOn: incorrect
06:07<jm_>ok thanks for the comments, nothing that I need, will stick to privoxy
06:08<XayOn>jm_: Same here.
06:08<jm_>XayOn: are you aware of any pre-made filter files like neil van dyke's?
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06:11<XayOn>jm_: No.
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07:53<FilipeMaia>I've been trying to update a sarge computer to stable and I'm having issues with python
07:53<Gekz>don't quote me on this, but I think you have to update sarge to etch first
07:53<Gekz>then to lenny
07:54<Gekz>sarge is ancient >_>!
07:54<FilipeMaia>i see
07:54<FilipeMaia>I'll give it a try, thanks
07:55<FilipeMaia>I'm getting such an error now:
07:55<FilipeMaia>E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on debconf
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07:56<jm_>yes that's typicall error you get if you skip a version in upgrade
07:57<FilipeMaia>ok looks like I messed up
07:57<FilipeMaia>is it possible to recover?
07:57<FilipeMaia>i saw some reports of installing debconf by hand
07:57<jm_>try upgrading to etch first
07:58<FilipeMaia>that's what i'm trying now
07:58<jm_>and you are getting the same error?
07:58<FilipeMaia>the first one was a python error
07:58<FilipeMaia>while installing bugreport
07:58<FilipeMaia>complaining about lack of pyton 2.4
07:58<FilipeMaia>then it changed to this one
07:58<jm_>has it managed to upgrade any packages before the error?
07:58<FilipeMaia>then i changed the sources.list to etch did apt-get update and apt-get -f dist-upgrade
07:59<FilipeMaia>yes it did
07:59<jm_>right, so I suggest you downgrade those manually back to sarge version with dpkg
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08:05<FilipeMaia>removing python-central and python-newt seems to have fixed the problem for now
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08:14<perini>is here the irc:// channel?
08:15<perini>how can go there? it's the first time I'm using it.
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08:16<tlynn>Try typing "/server" followed by "/join #django"
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08:23<vvas>pff, the grub maintainers planned the whole upgrade to grub2, transitional packages and all, but forgot to divert update-grub
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08:26<vvas>well, i guess a Replaces should do the trick too
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08:26<jm_>it conflicts with grub
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08:27<jm_>and has replaces too
08:28<vvas>yes, but grub is just a dummy package now
08:30<vvas>also it's recommended by the installation of grub-pc itself that you should start by chainloading grub2 from grub1
08:30<vvas>which would be impossible to do if grub2 removed grub1 due to a conflict
08:30<vvas>so yeah, i'd say they haven't quite thought this through
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08:31<jm_>well I haven't looked at unstable, commenting about lenny
08:32<vvas>well, the last thing i mentioned would be an issue there too
08:33<jm_>not really - if you have boot loader installed already it works fine
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08:33<jm_>of course I see no point in doing it that way, just use grub2 and be done with it
08:34<vvas>... once you've made sure it works correctly
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09:17<Zathraz>Hi. On Debian Etch I have an issue that a user other than root cannot become user postgres although I think that should be possible through sudo. I think PAM somehow prevents this. Any experts/insights on the subject please? Any hints how to debug this?
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09:20<jm_>Zathraz: user postgress probably has no password set, so it's all normal
09:21<dondelelcaro>Zathraz: there's no reason to become the postgres use
09:21<_spOOn_>or shell could be set to /sbin/nologin
09:21<dondelelcaro>Zathraz: everyon
09:21<dondelelcaro>> Thanks
09:21<dondelelcaro>> Raghav
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09:21<dondelelcaro>Zathraz: everyone else should be granted the appropriate permissions that they need using postgresql itself
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09:22<Zathraz>I need a backup script to run as user postgres. I can su - this from being root, but not as the user which runs the backupsystem
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09:24<dondelelcaro>Zathraz: why does it need to run as postgres?
09:25<Zathraz>to let it have access to all databases. Running as user postgres is quite common. Also for adding users
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09:33<franklin>Comtom: correct, I can't create files in the folder... see http://solid.local/~fpiat/Francisco_de_Sande/
09:33<dondelelcaro>Zathraz: it's a backup script; it shouldn't be adding users. Regardless, the backup script should have its own user which is a superuser in postgresql
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09:35<Zathraz>hmmm. Adding users is just an example of why one wants te become user postgres. All commandline administration must be done this way
09:35<dondelelcaro>Zathraz: nope. A superuser can create users
09:35<damiano>how to create a symbolic link?
09:36<dondelelcaro>Zathraz: but in any event, you can certainly sudo -u postgres pgsql;
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09:36<Zathraz>my point being: that command does not work.....
09:36<Zathraz>although sudo is setup correctly
09:37<dondelelcaro>Zathraz: it certainly does here
09:37<Zathraz>all my other sudo stuff works fine
09:37<dondelelcaro>well, 's/pgsql/psql/' of course.
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09:38<dondelelcaro>sudo -u postgres id; if you don't believe me.
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09:38<marcel_>is there a wat to check what cpu's i got on cli?
09:39<Zathraz>dondelelcaro, please try as root: 'sudo - www-data -s /usr/bin/bash' then check the user with 'whois' then issue 'sudo -u postgres ls'. You would expect a directory listing is sudo was setup correctly, however I get the request to enter a password
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09:39<Zathraz>so as systemuser A I cannot become systemuser B even though sudo is configured correctly
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09:40<Zathraz>*euh: 'su - www-data -s /usr/bin/bash' of course
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09:40<Zathraz>to become user www-data (a system user)
09:40<damiano>ls -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf ssl.conf
09:40<damiano>is this correct?
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09:40<Zathraz>damiano, ls --help
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09:42<dondelelcaro>Zathraz: uh... you're missing NOPASSWD: if you're getting a password prompt.
09:42<pringao>hi there, what do you recomend to have kernels > 2.6.26 in squeeze? (using .deb if possible) thx
09:42<Zathraz>nope. It's there in sudoers
09:43<dondelelcaro>Zathraz: what is the precise command that you're using and what is the sudo -l; output for that user?
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09:45<dondelelcaro>(obviously here, sudo -u www-data sudo -u postgres -l; isn't going to work because www-data can't sudo to postgres, and certainly not without a password)
09:46<dondelelcaro>and allowing www-data to sudo to anything is kind of busted, too
09:47<rjent>why do I get premission denied when attempting to write to a ntfs partition? I have it mounted in rw
09:47<azeem_>rjent: you try to write as root?
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09:47<rjent>azeem_: yes
09:48<rjent>I can see the drive but can not write
09:48<rjent>I can copy files off but not back on
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09:48<Zathraz>dondelelcaro, busted or not: it is what I need in this special case
09:48<Zathraz>rjent, try to mount it with ntfs-3g as type
09:48<damiano>i have a strange problem..... I set up mod_ssl but when i visit It sill not working
09:49<damiano>what can i do?
09:49<Zathraz>rjent, ntfs writing remains tricky
09:49<damiano>i don't get an https invalid certificate error
09:49<damiano>i can't connect to the website
09:49<damiano>what cn i do?
09:49<rjent>Zathraz: ok I will try. be back in a mom
09:50<XayOn>damiano: stop it.
09:51<dondelelcaro>Zathraz: yes, and as you can see from the sudo -l; output, you can't run anything as the postgres user
09:51<XayOn>damiano: You can't come here, writing things in hundred of lines, thinking that we've got the duty to help you, and even without giving us info. As you've seen, noone answers you, because you haven't done any smart question.
09:52<XayOn>damiano: If you can't connect, server is down, that's all we know from your info...
09:52<Zathraz>dondelelcaro, sudo -l for user postgres is identical to the user on the pastebin
09:52<dondelelcaro>Zathraz: (root) NOPASSWD: /etc/bacula/extra-scripts/* should read (postgres) NOPASSWD: [yada yada]; and sudo -u postgres "/etc/bacula/extra-scrip*t*s/bacula-psql_make_database_backup"
09:52<XayOn>damiano: have you read apache documentation? (I suppose for mod_ssl you use apache, as you haven't even said that)
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09:53<dondelelcaro>Zathraz: uh... that's not right either. What does your /etc/sudoers look like? Only the bacula use should be able to do that, not all users.
09:53<damiano>XayOn: the server is running...i can connect to but i can't connect to
09:53<dondelelcaro>(I'm sensing that you're going to need to spend some time with man sudoers; before going too much further)
09:53<damiano>XayOn: I've loaded mod_ssl
09:53<XayOn>so you just misconfigured something with mod_ssl...
09:53<damiano>XayOn: in /etc/apache2/mod-enabled
09:54<damiano>i haven't touched ssl configuration
09:54<Zathraz>dondelelcaro, only those two users are defined like that in sudo
09:54<XayOn>damiano: just enabling the module doesn't do anything, you have to configure it, please, again, read the fucking docs. Seriously.
09:54<damiano>XayOn: ok. but is it possible to check if apache(ssl) is running?
09:55<dondelelcaro>Zathraz: ok; then you still have the two problems that I already mentioned.
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09:55<dondelelcaro>Zathraz: 1) you're only allowing bacula to sudo to the user root, not postgres, 2) you're missing a t.
09:56<damiano>XayOn: ?
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09:56<XayOn>damiano: if you can't connect, is not working...
09:57<damiano>XayOn: but to the HTTP yes
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09:58<XayOn>damiano: netstat -l -n|grep 443
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10:00<damiano>strange...there aren't results
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10:01<XayOn>damiano: Fuck you, it's not strange, I've already told you, you have to configure apache, stop molesting other people cause you don't want to work.
10:01<XayOn>damiano: Just enabling mod_ssl doesn't do anything, as I said, you told you haven't touched configuration, how the hell can that work?
10:01<azeem_>XayOn: please drop the ad hominems
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10:02<XayOn>azeem_: ad hominems?
10:02<azeem_>16:01 < XayOn> damiano: Fuck you
10:02<ant_>bad language?
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10:02<bike>can anybody tell me of 24-4 mb/s is slow for a laptop drive?
10:02<ant_>depends on the laptop and drive...
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10:03<ant_>doesnt sound fast, but for a low power laptop probably reasonable
10:03<bike>well, i've soldiered some on the converter which was broken so im wonderig
10:03<bike>using 44<>40
10:03<bike>it preforms ok , cant really complain there
10:03<XayOn>azeem_: If you're referring to latin, I think you and wikipedia have completly diferent definitions for it.
10:03<bike>but it seems a tad slow , but then again it is ide
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10:04<azeem_>XayOn: I think you understood me anyway
10:05<XayOn>azeem_: I don't like being molested, just that. I already told him to stop. I told him a hundred of times to read docs, I'm not being payed for that, he probably is.
10:06<ant_>XayOn, then stop replying to him
10:06<azeem_>XayOn: so just move on; don't abuse users
10:06<XayOn>Even with that, he still called my nick.
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10:07<ant_>try ignoring him
10:08<ant_>im not saying his behaviour is right, but we can do without swearing
10:08<XayOn>I've got a sound bell, and I need to have it.
10:08<XayOn>did you mean /ignore ?
10:08<azeem_>XayOn: look, it's unacceptable to say "Fuck you" or "stop molesting me" to users; if you cannot deal otherwise, maybe you should reconsider doing Debian support
10:08<vvas>bike: 4200rpm drives tend to be quite slow
10:09<vvas>bike: i would imagine that if there was something wrong with the connector it wouldn't work at all, or it would have *massive* slowdowns
10:09<XayOn>azeem_: I'm a debian user also, and I wasn't giving support, I just told him once to read documentation, and he started molesting me.
10:09<bike>true , bit theres also the issue of timing and impedance
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10:10<XayOn>Maybe my new ring tone has something to do with my bad mood, it's a matrix-like phone ring... it sounds everytime someone calls my name.
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10:10<azeem_>XayOn: actually, on review, you starting molesting him first
10:10<azeem_>unless there was a back story to this
10:11<XayOn>azeem_: right now, I'm lost.
10:11<ant_>I wouldn't put blame either way, but both could have dealt with it better
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10:12<vvas>briefly examining the scrollback, i concur with azeem_
10:12<vvas>but can we move on?
10:12<XayOn>maybe, lately I don't have much patience with new debian users... But less with sysadmins that can't even read docs...
10:12<azeem_>XayOn: and we don't have much patience with users molesting other users or calling them names
10:12<dr|z3d>XayOn: Then here's probably not the best place to be :)
10:12<azeem_>XayOn: so be warned, and move on now
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10:16<XayOn>azeem_: is that a threat? don't worry, I left on my own. I really thing debian comunity don't interest me anymore, almost user community, has its degradation has come to this limits. I mean, if someone give and advice to other, it doesn't mean it gives the other the right to start indiscriminately asking to that person.
10:16<XayOn>bye, azeem_ ant_ dr|z3d
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10:16<Aceinthehole>good riddance.
10:16<Hannofcart>wow, he seemed pissed
10:17<vvas>you have to admire some people's capacity for drama
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10:17<Hannofcart>with just text that too ... really amazing
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10:17<Gekz_>I want English some moar pl0x.
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10:21<Vyrus001>for some reason only my debian version of subversion will not connect to any server (could not connect to server (foobar)), whats up?
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10:21<adb>Vyrus001: a bug in subversion ?
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10:22<Vyrus001>adb: works in other versions
10:22<rw_>When I boot Lenny, I always have to turn of numlock and turn it back on before it will accept input. Anyone know a fix?
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10:23<Gekz_>rw_: it's an annoying linux thing that I've never googled
10:23<Gekz_>but would also like the answer to
10:24<rw_>I don't know if it matters, but I did a netinstall and running fluxbox
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10:26<olet>you can use numlockx in your .xsession to turn it on
10:26<olet>(that was @rw_)
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10:28<_spOOn_>could you not just use setleds in your rc.local?
10:28<_spOOn_>and do it for all your ttys on boot?
10:29<Gekz_>_spOOn_: really?
10:29<_spOOn_>i would try for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6; do
10:29<olet>well x resets it when it starts
10:29<_spOOn_>/usr/bin/setleds +num < /dev/tty${i} > /dev/null
10:30<_spOOn_>ah i see
10:30<olet>because i fixed it for ttys as well :)
10:30<Gekz_>yeah, as did I apparently
10:30<_spOOn_>fair enough
10:30<Gekz_>checked my configs lol
10:30<olet>and x didn't listen :)
10:30<rw_>i'll give it a shot
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10:31<_spOOn_>then numlockx is probably the way to go
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10:32<vvas>Launchpad was just opensourced today, nice
10:33<Gekz_>this doesnt affect most of us
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10:35<jthomas_sb_>vvas still good to hear, even if i don't use any of the company's products
10:35<jthomas_sb_>but was it Freed or just open sourced?
10:36<rjent>Zathraz: hurray! The ntfs-3g worked perfect!
10:36<Zathraz>I solved my own issue too
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10:38<vvas>Affero GPLv3, apparently
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10:43<rjent>Zathraz: thanks for your assistance
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10:44<sylar>I have some user owned processes that I can't kill not even as root
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10:45<sylar>anyone knows how to kill them?
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10:45<Zathraz>kill -9 does not do the trick?
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10:47<sylar>STAT is D
10:47<adb>killall -e name
10:47<sylar>TTY is ?
10:47<sylar>adb did killall -u username
10:47<sylar>adb, did nothing
10:47<vvas>ugh, if they're in uninterruptible sleep (the "D") there's not much you can do i'm afraid
10:48<sylar>vvas, so ... I must reboot the server?
10:49<vvas>unless you figure out what brought them into that state (check the kernel logs) and manage to resolve that, then yes
10:50<vvas>or you could simply ignore them of course
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10:50<sylar>I can't ignore them, they are occupying an important resource, and everything else that try to access it hangs
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10:57<handjob>Good morning gentleman. I've got this problem - my 'lenny' recognizes my native (not english as you may guess from my spelling) fonts yet i the shortcuts to make letters specyfic for my country does not work. How can i set it 'right'?
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11:08<diego>hi, I have this weird idea ... suppose I cannot open ports in my computer but there are some things that will work (like ICMP, as pinging) ... and I would like to enable ssh (but my computer on the other side should start the connection somehow)
11:09<diego>and some stuff as ICMP is the only way to
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11:09<diego>get to my computer
11:10<xsbyme>hello all i'm new to debian and trying to install yum but its not installing eny packages at all
11:10<diego>yum is fedora / redhat
11:10<Zathraz>xsbyme, yum is for suse
11:10<fmr>xsbyme: use aptitutde
11:10<Zathraz>euh fedore/rh
11:10<fmr>xsbyme: use aptitude
11:10<diego>aptitude install alien
11:10<diego>and then you can convert rpm to deb
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11:11<fmr>xsbyme: you can try too install synaptic too for a gui packages installer
11:11<Zathraz>better to use native debs....
11:11<xsbyme>eny body know a good packet manager with the same options than yum like grouplist install etc
11:12<fmr>xsbyme: have you read me ?
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11:12<Zathraz>yum is a rip-off of debian tools.....
11:12<Zathraz>so: aptitude
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11:12<diego>hey, anyone knows how to solve my problem :)
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11:12<diego>all incoming ports filtered
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11:13<diego>but you can reach my computer with ICMP for example
11:13<diego>how to enable ssh making my computer do the connection in a safe way
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11:13<dr|z3d>diego: Open up port 22 tcp inbound.
11:13<diego>no, isp will filter all incoming connections
11:14<dr|z3d>Ah, I see.
11:14<diego>my computer should start the connection
11:14<diego>but you can reach my computer with some other methods like icmp ... or may be others
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11:14<dr|z3d>In which case, use a vpn. I recommend hamachi.. easy to setup, especially if you grab ghamachi also.
11:14<Zathraz>maybe an external trusted proxy server?
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11:14<Aceinthehole>have you asked your isp to lift the filter?
11:14<xsbyme>fmr yes its installed atm
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11:15<diego>they wont do that hehe , but the proxy / vpn seems a good one
11:15<Aceinthehole>bad isp :( :( :(
11:15<diego>so, if I connect to any computer in the vpn, I will be able to connect to my computer I guess
11:15<Zathraz>normally they are just keen on port 25
11:15<diego>yeah, normally is just 25 and 53
11:16<Aceinthehole>and 80 for outgoing
11:16<dr|z3d>diego: You run hamachi on server and client.
11:16<dr|z3d>diego: That gives you an internal 5.x.x.x ip on both server and client.
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11:16<diego>thx, I will look at that :)
11:16<dr|z3d>Then you connect to that as you would a normal connection. Dead easy, secure.
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11:17<dr|z3d>hamachi is also cross platform, so..
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11:17<Casnik>Hello , I am looking for a complete set of .iso for debian 3.1 and 4.0 anyone know?
11:18<Casnik>all the debian mirrors all just have files that are non existant
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11:18<vvas>dr|z3d: it's also decisively non-free
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11:19<Aceinthehole>Casnik doesn't have what you need?
11:20<Casnik>I tried a few of the mirrors and they were bum
11:20<bcstech>i am having trouble getting my passphrase to convert to hex in /etc/network/interfaces
11:20<Casnik>but I'll try them all if that is the only place
11:20<Casnik>tried that
11:20<Casnik>no go vvas
11:20<vvas>and it's missing what exactly?
11:20<Aceinthehole>Casnik: I'm not sure what else to try ... maybe someone else?
11:20<Casnik>i386 , debian 3.1 and 4.0
11:20<bcstech>i used a converter from passphrase to hex but no go
11:21<Casnik>I need the full installs for incogneto
11:21<bcstech>wpa is what in iwconfig wlan0 key
11:21<vvas>Casnik: no it's not
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11:21<vvas>Casnik: unless you're looking at r0 rather than r8
11:22<adb>Casnik: ^^
11:22<adb>same for all 4.0
11:22<vvas>bcstech: why would you need to convert it to hex?
11:22<FilipeMaia>I have a strange problem. I can fdisk /dev/sde and sde1 shows up there but there is no /dev/sde1 even though there is a /dev/sde
11:22<FilipeMaia>what should i do/
11:23<Casnik>adb: thanks that's it
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11:23<Casnik>vvas: yup
11:23<bcstech>it said passphrase is not supported in the man pages
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11:23<Casnik>vvas: was looking at all but r8
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11:23<Casnik>thanks =)
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11:24<bcstech>it wanted hex or ACSII string
11:24<vvas>FilipeMaia: did you just create this partition?
11:24<bcstech>it has to link to my wireless encryption
11:25<bcstech>which is wpa aes
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11:26<gsimmons>bcstech: For WPA, you would want to use 'wpa-psk' in /etc/network/interfaces instead; /msg dpkg wpa
11:27<bcstech>so in the /etc/network/interfaces i put wireless-key (hex)
11:27<bcstech>do i put wireless-wpa-psk (passphrase)?
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11:29<gsimmons>bcstech: No, the iface option is wpa-psk, not wireless-wpa-psk.
11:29<filsuf>where am I? debian?
11:29<filsuf>what server is this?
11:30<vvas>filsuf, this is #debian on
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11:30<bcstech>so iface wlan0 inet wpa-psk?
11:30<vvas>!tell bcstech about wpa
11:30<bigeasy>vvas: this is actually oftc
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11:33<el_isma>Hello. If I install debian with , how will it install? Will it create a partition for Debian or will it just create a file on the Win partition like Wubi does?
11:33<bcstech>it says it cant read it
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11:41<Sl4ck>Salve a tutti
11:41<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
11:41<FilipeMaia>vvas, no it's old
11:41<Sl4ck>ok sorry
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11:43<vvas>FilipeMaia: that's strange then. is it a standard PC partition table? what does dmesg say for it?
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12:02<chaos>i'm trying to boot my debian for the first time after installing it with debootstrap booted half way through but i'm "waiting for root file system ..." :(
12:02<chaos>last two lines on the console:
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12:02<chaos>Begin: Mounting root file system ... Begin: Running /scripts/local-top ... done.
12:02<chaos>Begin: Waiting for root file system ...
12:02<chaos>oh yay .. i have a console!
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12:04<BigR>hey guys does airodump-ng see hidden SSID's
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12:04<dr|z3d>BigR: No. But Kismet might.
12:05<dr|z3d>Or rather, airodump doesn't sniff, does it?
12:06<BigR>dr | z3d: i dont know, kismet doesnt feel like working with either my cards
12:06<dr|z3d>BigR: You need kismet client and kismet server to make it do the magic.
12:06<chealer>el_isma: it does both in time. it uses the Windows partition to install d-i, then d-i creates partitions
12:07<el_isma>chealer: ah. So afterwards I'll have a properly installed Debian
12:07<dr|z3d>In kismet terms, I think the server's called the drone.. might be wrong there, been a while..
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12:08<el_isma>chealer: the site lacks documentation... It's biggest docs is wikipedia :S
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12:08<BigR>dr | z3d: how do i start the client?
12:08<chealer>el_isma: yes, the resulting Debian partitions should be indistinguishable from those created with classic install methods
12:08<el_isma>thank you chealer!
12:09<dr|z3d>BigR: Read the docs. It's not point, click, voila.
12:10<BigR>dr | z3d: yeah u right i am a noob at kismet
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12:11<Kingstone>hey guys, do you know where i can ask about libapt? on which channel
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12:12<milk>how does one get a HP LaserJet P1005 to work with Lenny? From what I have see it just wont work at all....
12:13<Zathraz>milk, check cups
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12:15<milk>cups is fine, something to do with hplip being very out of date on Lenny is my guess. when I print a test page cups or hplip, it says the job has completed, but the printer just sits there doing nothing
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12:16<Zathraz>try another backend?
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12:16<milk>other than cups?
12:16<bja>milk: lan or usb
12:16<Zathraz>cups can use different backend
12:17<milk>there hplip, alternatively, there is hplip
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12:22<milk>giving it a try
12:22<chealer>Kingstone: this one
12:23<milk>doesnt work
12:23<milk>hang on
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12:24<vvas>what was the problem then?
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12:25<milk>I found that page before, I need to learn how to follow instructions properly
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12:26<milk>was trying to do it all via the menu system, I needed to open a terminal and run hp-setup as it said....
12:26<milk>thanks for your help
12:26<chaos>i have a prompt like this: (initramfs):
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12:26<chaos>that sounds bad, right?
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12:26<chaos>hey magyar_ do you speak magyar?
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12:27<sney>my fiancee's family is hungarian. that is one crazy ass language
12:27<vvas>chaos: yes, it probably means that the kernel couldn't mount the root partition or something
12:27<magyar_>chaos, sure
12:27<chaos>you're just envious of our beautiful language :P
12:28<chaos>vvas: and how do i get to fixing that? :s
12:28<vvas>no idea
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12:29<sney>they did teach me to make paprikas, though. so I have no problems with them.
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12:29<chaos>paprikas chicken?
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12:29<sney>they just called it paprikas, though I guess since that just means "with paprika" or something it would make sense to specify
12:30<dr|z3d>Hungarian national vegetable. Or something.
12:31<sney>it's made from red peppers
12:31<chaos>well that's not quite true
12:31<chaos>anyway .. if i'm stuck with this (initramfs) crap .. how do i figure out what partitions it can see?
12:31<bja>sney: A specific variety of red peppers, there are around 1000 varietys of them
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12:32<sney>only 1000? I would have guessed more.
12:32<Kingstone>chealer, ok, i'm using libapt-pkg and i want to get a list of installed packages with their versions, i know how to get the packages list, but how do i check if a package installed and its version?
12:33<sney>chaos: it would depend on the kernel the initramfs is attached to, and what sort of disk controllers it understands without a module
12:33<chaos>it really is a bitch to buy paprika in .hu :) yellow / red / green .. large / small ... spicy / not spicy .... and let's not start talking about shapes :s
12:33<sney>I think.
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12:33<chaos>sney: 2.6.26-2-686
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12:34<sney>hmm and you just get this initramfs: prompt when you try to boot? is there anything unusual about your system?
12:34<chaos>no fdisk or cfdisk :(
12:34<chealer>Kingstone: what are you doing? you know you can do that with apt-show-ersions?
12:35<Kingstone>i need it in an application
12:35<chaos>sney: yes it's the very first time debian booted after i installed it with debootstrap from fedora
12:35<Kingstone>no command line tool
12:35<Kingstone>only code
12:35<Kingstone>i code in c++ of course
12:35<chaos>i thought you could call progs from c++
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12:36<sney>hrmm. there's no man page for initramfs but my thinking is that you got a partial install somehow, and your initramfs isn't all there. so it hangs as it tries to mount it, and kicks back out to a prompt
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12:36<enouf>Kingstone: wait ... are you aware of grep-dctrl and dctrl-tools?
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12:37<vvas>Kingstone: i doubt you'll find people in here that are familiar with libapt, you're probably better off looking for documentation
12:37<enouf>Kingstone: i use; grep-status -FStatus -sPackage,Version -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort | less
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12:38<sney>chaos: if it's a local system I would suggest booting with a livecd and poking around the debian file structure to see if anything is amiss
12:38<enouf>Kingstone: not sure if that helps; but seems to accomplish the info you seek?
12:39<sney>initrd images should be about 6.8MB
12:39<chaos>sney: not local :( i'm installing on a box several thousand kms away
12:39<vvas>chaos: i would try booting without the "quiet" option
12:39<sney>yes, that might give you more informmation
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12:39<chaos>i'll try
12:39<Kingstone>hi enouf
12:40<Kingstone>the problem is i'm not using a BSDish platform
12:40<Kingstone>but it's not anything regular
12:40<Kingstone>and i don't want to build other tools for it
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12:40<el_isma_>I'm trying to install Debian on my netbook and the d-i insists on using wifi... how do I convince it to go wired?
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12:40<Kingstone>do you know documention of libapt?
12:40<enouf>el_isma_: erm .. read the installation guide?
12:41<chaos>does a 3ware hardware raid need any special driver in debian?
12:41<vvas>Kingstone: package libapt-pkg-doc?
12:41<el_isma_>enouf: which one?
12:41<enouf>Kingstone: not offhand -- perhaps "/msg dpkg nmg" might help
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12:42<enouf>vvas: i seem to also have libapt-pkg-perl: /usr/share/doc and some docs _and_ man pages installed
12:42<enouf>and Kingstone
12:42<enouf>el_isma_: the one for your port (ARCh)
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12:43<Kingstone>i did know a way of getting it, it's just on the new version of my libapt, it's now difference, and anyway i try, it crashes
12:43<el_isma_>enouf: ARCh? it's an i386. All I've got is and basically it says "it will work"
12:43<enouf>Kingstone: install libapt-pkg-perl as well - though, you mentioned c/c++ , AIUI, APT is based on perl mostly?
12:43<Kingstone>but i've seen other apps that work with it..
12:43<enouf>perhaps not
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12:43<Kingstone>i'll try, thx
12:43<vvas>enouf: not really
12:43<enouf>as syntax for /etc/apt/apt.conf seems to be c++ based? i don't know
12:44<enouf>perhaps dpkg is more the perl based one?
12:45<enouf>el_isma_: see Boot Paramters
12:45<enouf>el_isma_: Chapter 5 or 6 or so
12:45<Kingstone>i want to defer from using things other than libapt because it's the most accurate
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12:45<enouf>d-i netcfg/ and such
12:45<Kingstone>for the disclosure, i build on iphone
12:46<enouf>send me one :-)
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12:46<Kingstone>i have only one
12:46<enouf>Kingstone: i'll test it! .. i promise!
12:47<vvas>enouf: dpkg is C-based, apt is C++-based
12:47<Kingstone>there is a APT port for iphone, called telesphoreo, just some guy who compiled all libapt packages for ARM
12:47<enouf>el_isma_: also note; the f1-f10 key info .. perhaps use 'expert/expertgui'
12:47<davi>After "apt-get update" no more suspend RAM?
12:47<Kingstone>the fact is, millions of people around the world use his binaries
12:47<enouf>vvas: ugh -- where's the perl!?
12:48<enouf>vvas: actually - sorry, not 'ugh' C is fast
12:48<Kingstone>and my application is using that as well, it's just he updated to a newer version, and i don't want any conflicts
12:48<vvas>enouf: no idea, you tell me :^)
12:48<Kingstone>so i try and upgrade my source to the new version, just it changed in that cache part and packages list
12:48<enouf>vvas: heh
12:48<Kingstone>and it always seems to crash
12:48<Kingstone>i can't get a hold of the guy, if i could, i'll ask him
12:48<chaos>chroot /mnt/deb /usr/bin/env -i HOME=/root TERM=$TERM PS1='\u:\w\$ ' PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin /bin/bash --login <-- after executing this i am 100% running the new debian mounted in /mnt/deb?
12:48<Kingstone>it suppose to be no different than regular libapt
12:49<chaos>like can i make a new kernel?
12:49<enouf>Kingstone: have you followed p.d.o and it's dev pages?
12:49<chaos>install packages?
12:49<enouf>and changelogs?
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12:49<enouf>chaos: you tell us
12:50<enouf>chaos: the PS1 bit isn't even relevant
12:50<Kingstone>i shall look in changelogs now, thx, i'll research a bit more
12:51<chaos>enouf: i'm not in the mood ... if i fuck up my only working system on that box i'll be screwed i have to 100% sure i won't
12:51<enouf>chaos: and HOME=root seems only mandatory if you desire to be in /root/ after chroot -- know about "schroot" ?
12:51<enouf>chaos: then run each command separately and compare ... printenv should be useful
12:52<enouf>chaos: for correct PATH= see /etc/profile and perhaps /etc/login.defs for SU PATH, etc
12:53<Kingstone>enouf,, do you know where can i see a changelog
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12:53<Kingstone>oh lol nvm
12:53<enouf>follow the links?
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12:54<vvas>chaos, once you chroot you chroot, so yeah you're inside the debian system (assuming it resides in /mnt/deb)
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12:55<Vyrus001>ok seriously... wtf is up with debians version of subversion? it wont connect to anything
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12:56<enouf>chaos: yes, as mentioned, once you exec 'chroot' use ls, and other things to check it out
12:56<vvas>Vyrus001: works for me
12:57<Vyrus001>vvas: u on squeese?
12:57<vvas>sid actually
12:57<Vyrus001>i read something about a bug where ya had to get the sid version of svn in order to get it to work
12:57<Vyrus001>wonder if thats the deal
12:58<enouf>judd: versions svn
12:58<judd>enouf: svn --
12:58<enouf>judd: versions subversion
12:58<judd>enouf: subversion -- etch: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 etch-backports: 1.5.1dfsg1-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-2 squeeze: 1.5.6dfsg-1 experimental: 1.6.1dfsg-1 sid: 1.6.3dfsg-1
12:58<Vyrus001>svn, version 1.5.6 (r36142) compiled Feb 26 2009, 03:03:58
12:58<enouf>yeah, diffs
12:59<enouf>you should monitor BTS and check therte
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13:02<vvas>hm, hadn't realised 1.6 was out
13:02<vvas>wonder what's new about it
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13:03<Vyrus001>yea apperantly libneon is fuxxored
13:04<Vyrus001>well this kinda sucks... this is a work production box... rather not start merging sid packages
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13:06<vvas>ah, an incompatibility with the kernel then?
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13:08<themill>Vyrus001: err... you've already moved away from stable on that production box
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13:10<Vyrus001>themill: lol when i say stable i mean working ;)
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13:10<vvas>Vyrus001: the bug reports seem to suggest that upgrading the kernel to 2.6.29+ should fix it too
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13:10<themill>Vyrus001: lenny doesn't have this problem. Lenny is well tested. That's why stable is recommended for production use
13:11<vvas>and my impression is that 2.6.30 is the highest quality kernel release we've seen in a while
13:12<Vyrus001>ditto on that one.. home box is 6.30
13:12<chaos>how about
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13:13<vvas>chaos: it's the same as 2.6.30 with only minor fixes added (so ever slightly better)
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13:13*chaos is hoping that a new kernel will solve his problem
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13:15<vvas>chaos, it's best to identify what the problem actually *is*, instead of trying random solutions
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13:16<__rob__>I'm pretty sure this is me and not xubuntu, I'm trying to find my second hdd and i don't know where to look, it's not in media or file system but i know xubuntu knows it's there because it shows in catfish as a search location.
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13:21<chaos>can i paste my grub.conf?
13:21<chaos>cos i don't think i have quiet in it anywhere
13:22<dr|z3d>pastebin it, sure. Not in here, chaos.
13:22<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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13:22<adb>chaos: grep quiet /boot/grub/menu.lst
13:22<bcstech>[ 1091.823244] wlan0: RX deauthentication from 00:23:69:12:4e:71 (reason=6)
13:22<bcstech>what does this mean
13:22<chaos>adb only the fedora's have quiet debian doesn't
13:23<adb>chaos: you lay man
13:23<adb>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-bpo.1-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet vga=791
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13:24<bcstech>i need to know what to put in the /etc/network/interfaces inorder to have wpa on my wireless passcode looked at and a dhcp given
13:24<chaos>kernel <image> <root> ro <-- that's all i have <>s are descriptions
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13:26<bcstech>anyone here that can help me with this?
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13:28<jthomas_sb_>tfamioa gee thanks
13:28<tfamioa> #supremos
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13:28<bcstech>I am getting this in my dmesg when I ifup wlan0
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13:29<bcstech>[ 1359.671968] wlan0: privacy configuration mismatch and mixed-cell disabled - disassociate
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13:29<tfamioa> #supremos
13:29<locsmif>tfamioa, /server
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13:29<tfamioa>locsmif: I am not idiot like you
13:29<tfamioa> #supremos
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13:29<chaos>yes you are
13:29<locsmif>yes you are an idiot like me!
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13:30<chaoticmass>Debian Lenny: /dev/lp0 doesn't exist and I forgot how to add it... anyone remember off the top of their heads? Thanks in advance.
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13:30<bcstech>is this where i get help or get insulted?
13:30<jthomas_sb_>no kidding
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13:30<locsmif>bcstech, this is where you get help
13:31<bcstech>[ 1359.671968] wlan0: privacy configuration mismatch and mixed-cell disabled - disassociate
13:31<bcstech>what does this mean in dmesg
13:31<locsmif>bcstech, weird message, never heard of it before
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13:31<locsmif>What are you trying to do?
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13:31<bcstech>hook wlan0 to wireless using wap
13:32<bcstech>i can do it without encryption
13:32<bcstech>wap encryption
13:32<locsmif>WPA you mean?
13:32<bcstech>yes sorry
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13:33<bcstech>what do i put in the /etc/network/interfaces to tell it WPA
13:33<locsmif>Well I could ask you to paste your wpasupplicant config, but I don't want to know any sensitive info that might be in there
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13:33<locsmif>bcstech, that depends on how you configured your AP
13:33<bcstech>wireless-key s:(passphrase)
13:33<bcstech>wireless-ap bracken2
13:34<bcstech>and it sees itt
13:34<vvas>bcstech, we've already told you that for WPA you need the wpa-* options and not the wireless-* options
13:34<bcstech># The primary network interface
13:34<bcstech>allow-hotplug eth0
13:34<bcstech>iface eth0 inet dhcp
13:34<bcstech>allow-hotplug wlan0
13:34<bcstech>iface wlan0 inet dhcp
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13:37<locsmif>Well, WPA problem solved :p
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13:49<deniz>how do i add the ID of my video card to an open source driver? (ive been told thats probably why the open source drivers do not pick up my ATI HD4850)
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13:52<bcstech>okay why did i get kicked off so I dont do i again?
13:52<bremner>deniz: did you check if radeonhd supports it?
13:52<bcstech>whats that?
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13:53<amphi>pasting several lines of stuff into the channel
13:53<amphi>!tell bcstech -about paste
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13:54<bcstech>paste in the chat line?
13:54<valdyn>deniz: picking up is not enough
13:54<valdyn>deniz: ask someone who can read C code to do it for you
13:55<bcstech>so what is the proper way to paste in here?
13:55<valdyn>bcstech: to not paste
13:55<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
13:55<valdyn>.. or any paste site
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13:56<bcstech>oh sorry i am new
13:56<bcstech>let me see what i can do
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14:01<bcstech>under bcstech
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14:02<bremner>bcstech: you should get an actual url
14:02<bcstech>what do you mean
14:02<tCzern>hi, looking for some nice fluxbox themes but all I can find is the basic FLuxbox package, anything I should know of? Thanks!
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14:02<deniz>bremner, ill check now but i assumed it would work
14:02<tCzern>using etch
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14:03<deniz>bremner, ubuntu picks it up properly as of ubuntu 8.10 (same version drivers as lenny)
14:03<adama>bcstech: e.g.
14:03<deniz>valdyn, that sounds difficult lol :(
14:04<vvas>tCzern: not sure if it'll work, but try blackbox-themes (fluxbox is derived from blackbox)
14:04<bcstech>that is the url
14:04<tCzern>ok, thanks!
14:04<vvas>bcstech, we've already told you that for WPA you need the wpa-* options and not the wireless-* options
14:05<Lethalman>I'm getting problems when running python
14:05<Lethalman>it can't "import site"
14:05<vvas>bcstech: in addition, we've given you pointers to documentation that you didn't really follow
14:05<Lethalman>i'm using sid, python 2.5.4
14:05<adama>bcstech: what's that line 10 doing there
14:05<Lethalman>updated a few hours ago
14:05<Lethalman>does it happen to you too?
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14:06<bcstech>someone said use iface wpa-psk
14:06<bcstech>i tried that it did not like it
14:07<bcstech>what was the documentation again i missed it
14:07<bcstech>i got rid of line 10
14:07<dpkg>wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA.
14:07<bcstech>thank you
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14:09<deniz>bremner, RV7xx supported (mine is RV770)
14:09<bremner>deniz: the latest radeonhd package already supports HD4850.
14:09<bcstech>oh it does not support in lenny
14:09<bremner>deniz: err, not the package, but the sources
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14:09<bcstech>that would make since
14:09<deniz>bcstech, are you sure? so the ubuntu same version is patched?
14:09<bcstech>so is there another encryption i can use
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14:10<vvas>bcstech, that's not what it says
14:11<julioh>cromenlo sapos
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14:11<dr|z3d>bcstech: You can use wep, but it's ill advised.
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14:12<dr|z3d>Still, wep with a 128bit key is better than no protection at all. Marginally.
14:12<vvas>dr|z3d, there's no point for him to use wep
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14:12<dr|z3d>vvas: Just asnwering his question, not offering advice beyond that. ;)
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14:15<Jason1>how do I examine on the boot log?
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14:16<Jason1>or startup log
14:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 420] by debhelper
14:17<dkr>less /var/log/boot
14:17<chaoticmass>I'm back... the question again: /dev/lp0 doesn't exist on my Debian Lenny system. How do I make /dev/lp0 exist, OR where can I at least find information on what system causes /dev/lp0 to exist and I'll try reading that manual. Thanks in advance.
14:17<dkr>or less /var/log/dmesg
14:17<Jason1>hm. it is ok
14:18<Jason1>(Nothing has been logged yet.)
14:18<Jason1>/var/log/boot (END)
14:18<petemc>chaoticmass: try modprobe lp
14:19<chaoticmass>petemc : simple, and it worked! thanks
14:19<dkr>chaoticmass: plug in a printer? :) udev creates the actual device files
14:19<Jason1>dmesg give me more information, thanks
14:19<dkr>when the modules loaded. yep, heh
14:20<chaoticmass>I guess that module wasn't getting loaded by default. I'll add it to /etc/modules.
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14:21<chaoticmass>Thanks again.
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14:26<apache>hab nur kurz meinen nick geändert
14:27<apache>wisst ihr wo man das einstellen kann?
14:27<Jason1>go to a debian german
14:27<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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14:27<Jason1>lol wow I didn't know the bot can speak german
14:27<vvas>the bot can speak all sorts of languages
14:28<Jason1>even Hungarian?
14:28<dpkg>it has been said that hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
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14:29<vvas>anyway, time to go back home
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14:29<Jason1>I am already home, it's #debian
14:30-!-mode/#debian [-q *!*] by FloodServ
14:32<dpkg>well, dk is Hvis du vil tale dansk og få hjælp til debian, skriv /join in your irc client, also the country Denmark
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14:32<olet>that was probably a bit off-topic
14:33<Jason1>naw it is ok
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14:33<jason6>i need a fully functional ddos app to kill websites suggestions?
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14:34<olasd>jason6: yes sure, what about you go seek elsewhere?
14:34<Jason1>oh eah I know you meant
14:34<jason6>but i run debian so thought u guys could help
14:35<Jason1>I am running debian lenny.
14:35<olasd>ow yeah right
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14:35<Jason1>oh I see why there is lot of jasons now lol
14:35<jason6>and i need shells on peoples servers with high upstream i want to do this legally
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14:41<Jason1>mmm... shells.
14:42<drakeman>Jason6, kill websites?
14:42<olasd>Jason1: ddos is distributed denial of service. The guy wanted help to flood servers.
14:42<Jason1>ok. lol you're crazy.
14:42<olasd>he's been killed off the irc network though
14:42<Jason1>it's illegal.
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14:43<drakeman>jason6, use windows xD
14:43<drakeman>plop, he left
14:43<Jason1>Jason6, don't flood.
14:43<olasd>those jason guys are crazy
14:43*olasd ducks and runs :D
14:44<drakeman>olasd, hehee, yes, all the jasons hehehe
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14:44<drakeman>but Jason1 is nice :D
14:44<Ezekiel>How do I change my ip address?
14:44<Jason1>internal or external?
14:44<amphi>Ezekiel: how did you get it?
14:44<drakeman>Ezekiel, :S
14:45<drakeman>Ezekiel, explain it better
14:45<Jason1>if external, don't change it or the internet company will cut you off
14:45<Ezekiel>Tell me why
14:45<Jason1>ok let me think.
14:45<znh>Ezekiel, ifconfig DEVICE IP as root
14:45<Ezekiel>do it now
14:46<Jason1>ok, if you change the external ip address, then you kill them odem or you use the illegal address and they can trace your activity and they cut you fast
14:46<Ezekiel>How do I bypass a Kline?
14:46<Jason1>you cannot.
14:46<Ezekiel>tell me now
14:46<Jason1>I'm sorry, sir.
14:46<Ezekiel>Do it now
14:46<Jason1>you cannot bypass the kline.
14:47<Jason1>just calm down.
14:47<Ezekiel>How long do Kline's last then
14:47<znh>okay this channel seems to be full of crap..
14:47<Ezekiel>no what
14:47<Jason1>kline may last forever.
14:47<amphi>Ezekiel: you can email the network admins if you think you were wrongly k-lined
14:47<Jason1>yeah do that
14:47<Ezekiel>What if I was rightly Klined?
14:47<znh>Ezekiel, just use common logic. It's the 42 for everything
14:48<amphi>Ezekiel: then you're k-lined
14:48<Jason1>znh is correct.
14:48<Ezekiel>I want back in though
14:48<Ezekiel>I need to get back in
14:48<Jason1>in which server then?
14:48<Jason1>well are you using ubuntu
14:48<Jason1>then email the admins.
14:49<amphi>Ezekiel: this is a debian support channel
14:49<Ezekiel>I already emails the kline address
14:49<Jason1>Yes, sir!
14:49<Ezekiel>I dont know the admin's emails
14:49<Jason1>yes, it is debian, silly.
14:49<Jason1>not ubuntu
14:49<Ezekiel>Dont call me silly
14:49<Jason1>I can.
14:49<Ezekiel>I cant get into Ubuntu I already told you, motherfucker
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14:49*Jason1 silences.
14:49*amphi sighs
14:50*Ezekiel looks around
14:50<Casnik>what an idiot
14:50*Jason1 nods.
14:50<Ezekiel>Who you calling an idiot, fag
14:50<themill>!ops Ezekiel would like to find another channel
14:50<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: Ezekiel would like to find another channel
14:50<Jason1>I want Ezekiel kicked out now.
14:50<Casnik>someone kick this douche
14:50<Ezekiel>You're a douche
14:51<Jason1>Because you sweared to me.
14:51<Ezekiel>No I didnt
14:51<amphi>Ezekiel: because you don't know why
14:51<themill>Ezekiel, Jason1: enough
14:51<Jason1>I didn't do anything.
14:51*Jason1 thinks of Debian question.
14:51<Ezekiel>You were bullying me and being evasive with answers
14:51<jthomas_sb_>Ezekiel no one wants to let you in anywhere with that language
14:51<Casnik>Ezekiel /join #mandrake
14:51<Ezekiel>why not
14:51<znh>jthomas_sb_, there are certain places. please be correct
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14:52<patyre>oiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii como vai
14:52<Ezekiel>what the funk
14:52<Jason1>I still can't find the boot log, I already looked on dmesg and boot log
14:52<daianems>como vai pati
14:53<Jason1>silly paty
14:53<Ezekiel>jason's a fag
14:53<Jason1>there is lots of Jason's.
14:53<themill>Ezekiel: please stop that.
14:53*znh prays: dear lord please ban people with IQ < 50 from this world
14:53<amphi>Jason1: what does /etc/default/bootlogd say?
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14:54*Casnik agrees with znh.
14:54<Jason1># Run bootlogd at startup ?
14:54<Ezekiel>I need the email of an admin in ubuntu
14:54<adb> BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes
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14:54<Ezekiel>Someone give me one
14:54<Casnik>if I do will you leave and enever come back?
14:54<amphi>Jason1: you might want to change that to 'Yes'
14:54<Hydroxide>Ezekiel: ask in an ubuntu place
14:54<themill>Ezekiel: this is #debian... you really seem to be in the wrong place
14:55*dr|z3d gives Ezekiel a timely kick up the ass.
14:55<olasd>Ezekiel: did you try google? 'cause using irc as a google proxy is hard
14:55<Ezekiel>I was klined from ubuntu
14:55<Ezekiel>dumb shit
14:55<znh>i lol'd
14:55<daianems>fala alguma coisa pati
14:55<Jason1>how do I change it to yes?
14:55<themill>patyre, daianems: Este canal é apenas em inglês. /join #debian-br
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14:56<patyre>ALGUMA COISA
14:56<daianems>ñ isso
14:56<Hydroxide>Ezekiel: that's for 10 minutes only - it'll undo itself after that
14:56<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:56<daianems>quem é esssas pessoas q esta falando ai
14:56<dr|z3d>Evading a kline isn't the way to go, Ezekiel. You have a serious attitude problem; try addressing that first.
14:56<Hydroxide>Ezekiel: when it expires, please stop asking questions about ubuntu here, and please stop using curse words or insults
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14:56*Jason1 agrees with dr|z3d
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14:56<Hydroxide>Ezekiel: if you don't, you'll get a more permanent +q or +b
14:57<Jason1>Thank you, Hydroxide
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14:57*olasd sticks here for the fireworks after the +q expiry
14:57<dpkg><ricky_clarkson> To +b or not to +b, that is the +q
14:57<Hydroxide>I'll probably be at dinner, actually (woo DebConf9)
14:57<Hydroxide>but others will be watching ... feel free to summon ops same as you did me
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14:58<Jason1>but how?
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14:58<adb>edit it
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14:58<adb>as root
14:58<Jason1>with gedit right?
14:58<amphi>Jason1: as root, open it in a text editor, and make the change
14:58<amphi>Jason1: or nano or whatever, in a term
14:58<Casnik>sudo su
14:59<Casnik>vi <file>
14:59<amphi>I suspect Jason1 is not yet a big vi fan
14:59<Casnik>vi > best
14:59<bremner>Casnik: perhaps the -s option of sudo would interest you
14:59<amphi>Casnik: the first editor you ever used, eh? ;)
14:59<znh>Casnik, that's just your opinion. you state it as if it's a fact
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14:59<Jason1>it is easier
14:59<Casnik>ouch ok ok
14:59<Casnik>sorry jeez
14:59<bremner>!start and editor flame war
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14:59<Jason1>I am more an gedit
15:00<Jason1>or vim
15:00<Jason1>ok I already edited it to yes
15:00<Jason1>now what?
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15:00<amphi>it is done
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15:01<adb>Jason1: shutdown -r now
15:01<Jason1>oh wait it will restart?
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15:04<Jason1>got it
15:04<Jason1>now what?
15:05<Jason1>open gedit?
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15:06<Jason1>hey Hydroxide bud :)
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15:06<amphi>Jason1: 'less /var/log/boot' in a term
15:06<olasd>Jason1: i think this was an automated action
15:07<amphi>Jason1: if that's what you meant ;)
15:07<Ezekiel>why was I silenced?
15:07<amphi>Ezekiel: because you were noisy
15:07<Ezekiel>so's your mom
15:07<olasd>yeah, that's *exactly* why
15:08<olasd>you found out by yourself, nice
15:08<Jason1>VirtualBox Additions Disabled, not in a Virtual Machine ^[[33m(warning).^[[39;49m this is why I want to examine the boot log
15:08<Jason1>I already installed it
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15:09<amphi>sic transit...
15:09<Jason1>I installed it in XP
15:09<Jason1>but how od I make vitural addition enabled?
15:09<Jason1>so debian don't panic
15:10<amphi>debian is running under virtualbox on windows xp?
15:10<Jason1>I run debian, and I install windows XP in VB
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15:10<olasd>Jason1: virtualbox additions are tools for the guest
15:11<olasd>for the system *inside* the vm
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15:11<olasd>not for the system running virtualbox
15:11<Jason1>but I already installed the addition, sir.
15:11<olasd>like stuff to resize the screen on the fly etc.
15:11<Jason1>It's fine.
15:12<Jason1>I liek to tweak stuff
15:12<Jason1>how do I enable it anyways?
15:12<olasd>well, uh
15:13<olasd>it won't work on the system outside of virtualbox
15:13<Jason1>I see.
15:13<Jason1>I'll leave it alone then
15:13<olasd>because it's, well, for the system running under virtualbox
15:13<Jason1>thanks bud
15:14<vvas>ml|: *poke*
15:14<Jason1>I feel I need ot attend the linux local user group
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15:14<olasd>Jason1: you should, it's always interesting to meet with real people sometimes
15:15<ml|>!greet vvas
15:15<dpkg>Moo, vvas
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15:15<Jason1>moo back to ya dpkg
15:15<vvas>ml|: remember when you were asking about identifying a hard disk's model?
15:16<ml|>yes ?
15:16<Jason1>mine is Western Digital SATA
15:16<phorce1>real people?
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15:16<olasd>phorce1: yeah, you know
15:16<olasd>the guys on the other side of your windows
15:16<vvas>ml|: apparently "smartctl -i" is useful for that too, it has a database that model numbers to model families
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15:16<Jason1>lol silly olasd
15:16<vvas>i was just reading the smartctl manpage for something unrelated and noticed that
15:17<ml|>vvas: ah, will make a note and try it now, thanks :)
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15:19<Jason1>I'm still feeling curious on examining the hardware supports for Debian
15:20<phorce1>vvas: the drive will even announce whatever info it can even if it's not in the smartctl database using that command
15:20<_el_isma_>How do I convince Debian Installer to NOT use Wifi? How do I know which network devices are available? No ifconfig on d-i :(
15:20<phorce1>Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
15:20<phorce1>Device Model: Hitachi HDT721010SLA360
15:21<phorce1>User Capacity: 1,000,204,886,016 bytes <----- woohoo!
15:21<Jason1>yummy bytes
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15:21*phorce1 just had to drop a 500G in the garbage can. No warranty
15:22<olasd>well, it's not *that* much
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15:23<Jason1>1TB is a lot
15:24<_el_isma_>how do you configure ifaces on d-i?
15:24<phorce1>Prices keep droopping and drives keep growing. Didn't someone announce a 2TB drive recently?
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15:28<Jason1>2TB seruiously?
15:29<vvas>aye, a couple of brands actually i think
15:30*_el_isma_ hates D-I
15:30<vvas>indeed, both Seagate and WD
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15:31<bremner>_el_isma_: does the machine have a radio kill switch? On my thinkpad you can physically turn off the wifi.
15:32<_el_isma_>bremner: I think not. It has a switch, but I think it's software
15:33<_el_isma_>bremner: I don't think D-I is detecting my eth... it should offer to connect that way
15:34<bremner>_el_isma_: doesn't it ask you in the "setup network stage" what interface to use? I guess not otherwise you wouldn't ask...
15:35<bja>I just purged iceweasel from my computer, i erased every /home/$user/.mozilla subdir, do i miss something to completely get rid of iceweasel?
15:35<phorce1>how about 250G that'll fit in your wallet I can see building a debian carputer around this and a mini-itx board --->
15:35<_el_isma_>bremner: indeed, it just assumes wifi... my guess is that it ain't detecting eth
15:35<bremner>_el_isma_: sounds like a firmware problem. Some nvidia hatefulness?
15:36<_el_isma_>bremner: Atheros I believe. It's an Acer One 250
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15:36<phorce1>bja: if you used --purge it should all be gone. You may want to run deborphan to see if there are any unused libs lying around
15:36<bja>phorce1: thx wouldn't be the case, but doing it anyway
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15:48<deniz>bremner, you said lenny doesn't support my hd4850...what about it doesn't? like which package? so i can follow it from sid to squeeze
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15:52<bremner>deniz: I didn't say anything about lenny, but I think the package you want is xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd. All I know is that the current upstream source claims to support your card. You will have to dig a bit to figure out what debian version (if any) works
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15:55<deniz>bremner, so which version of xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd is upstream?
15:55<deniz>bremner, and do you have any idea why the same radeonhd version in ubuntu works but not in debian?
15:56<deniz>bremner, o i think i know!
15:56<bremner>deniz: I don't know anything about ubuntu. You will have to inspect changelogs, look at the source, or ask them...
15:58<deniz>bremner, says ---> "2D acceleration is active by default only on R5xx and RS6xx right now. For R6xx and R7xx you have to enable it explicitely. " and i think that includes my HD4850
15:58<deniz>bremner, so since ubuntu makes decisions for u, im sure they enabled it
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16:02<edickttt>Could somebody explain me why debian is harder to learn than ubuntu?
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16:02<albin>edickttt: I'd say it isn't.
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16:03<albin>Hello, I am running sid, and when I updated my packages today, I was told that the old grub was being deprecated, and that I should/could update to grub 2. How risky is this? Will it support initramfs, cryptsetup etc without extra work (other than what the package does), or is there some lengthy procedure I need to go through?
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16:03<dkr>edickttt: more choices, less popular stuff provided out of the box, especially non-free stuff
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16:04<noflash>!tell albin -about grub2
16:04<tempuser>hey guys. i have a rogue package (libperl5.8) that i cannot fix. it appeared after an upgrade from etch-> lenny. apt-show-version states libperl5.8 is broken, but not installed. currently libperl5.10 is installed and working fine.
16:04<tempuser>what might a guy do to resolve this issue?
16:04<edickttt>my point is --when i ask people what distro to choose they point to ubuntu but warn not to start with debian WHY?
16:05<nickzxcv>so I have a similar issue to this bug and I wrote a very simple patch
16:05<nickzxcv>is this a good thing to do in debian?
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16:06<bremner>edickttt: who can explain other peoples opinions, why don't you ask them?
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16:07<albin>noflash: Sorry, that didn't really help, I have already looked at the wiki node. I suppose I'll just have to prepare a system resucue CD for chrooting and try it.
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16:09<edickttt>bremner what a habbit to answer questions in questions
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16:10<chealer>tempuser: remove libperl5.8
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16:11<bremner>edickttt: some person you don't know told me something you don't believe. Please explain their reasoning.
16:11<amphi>edickttt: debian is fine to start on, as long as you are prepared to read some documentation
16:11<tempuser>chealer: tried that. apt says its not installed and aptitude says it's broken and cant be removed.
16:11<_el_isma_>edickttt: General belief is that Ubuntu has more things configured for the user (wifi non-free drivers, for example) and so is more newbie-friendly.
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16:11<_el_isma_>bremner: lol
16:12<albin>On the other hand, I've had problems with wierd Ubuntu updates that I've never even come close to on other distributions.
16:12<themill>tempuser: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude -f remove libperl5.8"
16:14<albin>I don't remember, can I get a prompt on a normal Debian install cd/dvd?
16:16<tempuser>themill: you bet. hold please.
16:17<_el_isma_>albin: ctrl-alt-fn ? will get you to a busybox
16:17<_el_isma_>(fn being F1, f2.. etc)
16:17<Jason1>ok hm... I am here to help.
16:18<amphi>!praise Jason1
16:18*dpkg prostrates herself before Jason1. "You rock, Jason1!"
16:18<Jason1>dpkg is a she?
16:18<dpkg>Jason1: wish i knew
16:19<nickzxcv>so is it a bad idea to run dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server from /etc/init.d/ssh if there are no /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* files?
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16:19<Jason1>good question, but according to the manual I learned, they're different
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16:19<zulu>route del return SIOCDELRT: No such process... why? the route is listed with route
16:19<Jason1>the filename is different in each files
16:20<bja>zulu: try del net or gw
16:20<zulu>net: No address associated with name
16:20<zulu>plugwash: No address associated with name
16:21<bja>zulu: route -n ?
16:21<bja>should tell you if it is a net or not
16:21<zulu> U 0 0 0 eth1
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16:21<zulu>this is a net?
16:21<tempuser>themill: sorry about that, i have pam foobarred.
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16:22<bja>zulu: that should be the subnet you are on
16:22<zulu>I really can't delete this route... it's amazing!!!
16:23<bja>zulu: you can , but you have to deconfigure your nic
16:23<Jason1>like I did to my old wireless adapter, I had to deconfigure ages ago
16:24<zulu>done now...
16:24<zulu>thx bja, I don't understand why I have deconfigure the interface!
16:24<zulu>deleted now...
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16:25<zulu>any good tutorial for setting a debian multicast router? (tryin to make upnp work outhere)
16:25<bja>zulu: I don't know the reason, but it sounds right that when you have a nic with an ip it should have at leaste a route to itself
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16:28<tempuser>themill: ok, i can't get ssh to allow me to login, so can can't copy/paste from a terminal into a browser.
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16:29<ml|>vvas: thanks smartctl -i works great :) any tips on setting up smartd?
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16:29<themill>tempuser: you can pipe the output to: nc 1234
16:32<vvas>ml|: i haven't really researched it much TBH, i just set start_smartd=yes and left it there
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16:32<vvas>ml|: i should have a better look at it though now that you mention it; unless it emails you by default if it spots anything serious it's pretty useless i guess
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16:33<DavidDuke88>SIEG HEIL! 88!
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16:33<tempuser>themill: connection refused
16:33<tempuser>but yes, i can.
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16:34<themill>works here
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16:34<ml|>vvas: ok i get an error at boot time about it, so i'll mess with it thanks again it spews nice detail about hd :)
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16:35<Wilduck>Quick question, what command do I use to change the creator of a directory, I'd like to read it's man page...
16:35<dads>OK I'm getting there....
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16:36<kmap>Wilduck: chown?
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16:36<kmap>Wilduck: no problems
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16:37<tempuser>themill: i got pam working....i'll get it pasted.
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16:39<Jason1>it works fine jenna.
16:40<tempuser>themill: i also just appended the output of "aptitude install nagios2"
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16:40<vvas>ml|: ah, i guess you might need to specify which drives it should use, or enable smart in the bios, or something (hard to say without the actual error message obviously)
16:40<Jason1>S.M.A.R.T to be exact. I know you meant.
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16:41<themill>tempuser: that's really really odd output. Try: aptitude install nagios2 libperl5.8_ (note the _ at the end)
16:42<ml|>vvas: ok, but i think it's just that by default start_smartd=yes is comment in config
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16:43<tempuser>themill: tell me about it. i've never seen anything like it. new output pasted.
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16:45<themill>tempuser: hang on... nagios2 isn't in lenny; nagios3 is.
16:45<vvas>ml|: hm, well is anything not commented out in /etc/default/smartmontools? because if both enable_smart and start_smartd are commented out, the init script shouldn't do/print anything AFAICT
16:45<tempuser>themill: no shit.
16:45<tempuser>themill: i'll go away now ;(
16:45<Jason1>yes shit
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16:46<tempuser>themill: why is aptitude even finding the nagios2 packages?
16:47<themill>tempuser: hehe. Stop trying to install a stale etch package in lenny and your problem will go away.
16:47<tempuser>themill: does the cache still contain dep info?
16:47<themill>tempuser: it's left over from an ancient testing/security update. The testing/security people haven't yet got an automated way of removing stale packages. (they *really* need to get one)
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16:48<tempuser>themill: at the very lest have atp(titude) throw and error explaining whats going wrong......i learn something new every day.
16:49<themill>tempuser: the packages shouldn't be available through any more. That's the real problem. I've passed the problem along and they'll disappear some time soon so it's no longer a problem.
16:50<edickttt>ISMAEL and ROLEX Thank you very much!
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16:50<tempuser>themill: cool. thank you kindly for pointing out my lack of detail.
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16:51<themill>tempuser: no worries. The output of "apt-cache policy packagename" can be instructive in such instances.
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17:02<knoppix_>slm arkadaslar
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17:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:03<dr|z3d>Nope. Looking for Persian, or Arabic.
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17:05<dpkg>arabic is, like, Linux supports the Arabic language. See
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17:08<Ezekiel>does anyone know of a way to burn a DVD that is copyright protected?
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17:08<dr|z3d>Ezekiel: Handbrake is your friend.
17:08<Ezekiel>What is handbreak?
17:08<Jason1>handbrake lol
17:09<patrikf>Ezekiel: afaik that's impossible, because the key is on a location that cannot be written with a dvd writer
17:09<dr|z3d>!fgi handbrake
17:09*dr|z3d guess that got disabled.
17:09<patrikf>not with a standard one at least...
17:09<dr|z3d>Ezekiel: Google.. it's the de factor ripping app.
17:09<Jason1>!ask about handbrake
17:09<Jason1>it is disabled.
17:09<dpkg>HandBrake is a tool for ripping DVDs and transcoding video into other formats (H.264, XViD, OGG). Packaged for lenny at <debian-multimedia>. See also <dvd::rip>, <ogmrip>.
17:10<Jason1>I should install it too!
17:10<Jason1>because I make Xvid Cds
17:10<Ezekiel>But I dont use mac
17:10<Jason1>I do use mac in the past
17:10<Ezekiel>I have a windows pc and I want to burn some DVDs from my collection for friends
17:11<adb>Ezekiel: ask #windows
17:11<dr|z3d>Ezekiel: How about you go check the handbrake link.
17:11<Ezekiel>you didnt give me a link
17:12<dr|z3d>I didn't, dpkg did. Look above.
17:12<Ezekiel>there is no #windows room
17:12<dpkg>PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work.
17:12<Jason1>true dpkg
17:12<dpkg>PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work.
17:12<Ezekiel>Where are the windows rooms?
17:13<Jason1>dpkg but thatl ink is for ubuntu
17:13<dpkg>Jason1: I think you lost me on that one
17:13<dr|z3d>Rather than playing with the bot, have a look at the link.
17:13<Jason1>I did
17:13<dr|z3d>Ezekiel: You want ##windows on freenode.
17:13<Jason1>it say it is for ubuntu, not for debian
17:13<Ezekiel>I sure do
17:13<Ezekiel>get me to the windows room
17:13<dr|z3d>Jason1: What does the factoid above say..?
17:14<dr|z3d>Ezekiel: Click here: irc://
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17:14<Ezekiel>umm give me another link this one's faulty
17:14<Ezekiel>says I cannot connect
17:14<Jason1>proof in that GTK GUI (Ubuntu 8.10 x86 Binaries)
17:15<Jason1>so it is not for debian
17:16<dr|z3d>Bah. Nonsense.
17:16<Jason1>Yes. I'm not kidding.
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17:16<Ezekiel>Has anyone been able to burn a copyright DVD?
17:16<Jason1>I dunno.
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17:18<Jason1>got it
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17:20<dr|z3d>Ezekiel: The way it usually works is this: rip DVD, (optionally encode), burn. Handbrake. Have a look at it. Play about. That's your solution.
17:20<Jason1>it won't let me install, even as root.
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17:23<Jason1> I followed
17:23<ewgeny>Could not identify kernel- what the error?
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17:25<Jason1>I'm confused
17:25<Jason1>it is broken
17:27<Jason1>ok now what should I do? I already removed the broken package
17:27<Jason1>I already downloaded the package
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17:28<dr|z3d>Best bet is to enable unstable repos and install from there..
17:28<dr|z3d>Then you'll be getting upgrades when they happen.
17:28<Jason1>oh never mind
17:28<Jason1>I will rather have the stable packages
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17:32<chealer>ewgeny: what is your native language?
17:32<Ezekiel>someone smells like pussy in here
17:32<Ezekiel>a raunchy unwashed poon
17:33<noflash> /ignore -replies Ezekiel
17:33<amphi>it's still here?
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17:35<Jason1>It's /ignore Ezekiel
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17:36<Jason1>my pidgin won't let me ignore him
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17:37<mish>I'm about to start work for a company that uses "Etch" (4), I'm a SUSE guy and want to get up to speed on Debian utilities, etc... Is it best to install Etch or is Debian 5 pretty much the same in its utilities, etc?
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17:38<Jason1>good question.
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17:39<ewgeny><chealer> russian
17:39<olasd>mish: well, a few things changed in aptitude during the etch->lenny transition, but the main difference will be in software versions
17:39<Jason1>yes correct olasd
17:40<_el_isma_>you can check the release notes for lenny to see what's changed
17:40<mish>_el_isma_: lol, not likely, I only have a month before I start. ;)
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17:41<kenyon>mish: it takes a month to look at release notes?
17:41<olasd>mish, I guess you'd be better off using etch, although it's a bit outdated, there are still security updates and you'll avoid all differences with production systems
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17:41<mish>olasd: Right - Well I know openSUSE 10 and 11 like the back of my hand... "zypper, yast, etc"... Which obviously aren't in Debian. So I'll be 'safe' and go with Debian 4. I can't seem to find a working mirror of the Debian 4 DVD Image... Can anyone point me in the right direction?
17:42<_el_isma_>mish: in the "user" side of Debian, not much has changed. Installing packages, managing services it's all the same. I don't know what kind of work you'll have to do, if it's managing servers, prolly you'll be better using etch
17:42<Jason1>yes because of the stabilization of the server.
17:42<mish>_el_isma_: Managing servers, so etch it is! :)
17:42<vvas>olasd: etch? what are you talking about?
17:43<olasd>vvas: oldstable
17:43<vvas>olasd: yes i know silly
17:43<kenyon>mish: try and
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17:43<vvas>mish, you are better off using the current stable release, i.e. lenny
17:43<olasd>vvas: uhh. He'll be working on etch systems
17:44<Jason1>yeah big eek
17:44<Jason1>why not lenny?
17:44<_el_isma_>eek? At least it's Debian :D
17:44<olasd>i still have a few critical servers to upgrade
17:44<mish>There's an upgrade path, complicated systems tied to specific versions, it's going to be upgraded. :)
17:44<olasd>I hope they'll break before i NEED to upgrade them
17:44<vvas>well, fair enough
17:44<_el_isma_>I've had to work with CentOS... nothing like Debian
17:45<mish>Anyway! Now we've established that etch is the way to go... Where can I get the DVD image of Debian 4/etch... I can't find a working mirror.
17:45<vvas>mish: the other thing i wanted to point out is that, unless you're planning to perform multiple installations with the same medium, you're better off simply using the netinst cd image
17:45<olasd>mish: old images shoudl be available on
17:45<Jason1>it is what I du\id use: netinst cd image
17:45<Jason1>for lenny for me
17:46<olasd>mish: you should go light and download a network install image, which will fetch the needed packages only (well, if you have an internet connection during install)
17:46<_el_isma_>Indeed, netinstall++ (when it works! damned AcerOne... been fighting against it all day)
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17:47<adb>mish: installing etch NOW is a waste time , in next few months have to upgrade to lenny
17:48<mish>adb: It's to familiarize myself with etch before I start a job which has etch servers in place. Not for my own production systems.
17:48<olasd>adb: installing lenny now when you'll have to work on etch systems for work doesn't seem too bad to me
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17:48<olasd>well, you get the idea
17:48<Jason1>yeah I do
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17:49<olasd>now time to leave, see you
17:49<mish>and thanks...
17:49<olasd>no problem :)
17:49<Jason1>your welcome
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17:51<mish>How does Ubuntu have such a following when it looks like (to me, without having used Debian (recently) or Ubuntu) just a repackaged version of Debian Unstable?
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17:52<Jason1>interesting point, mish
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17:53<loudergood> marketing + tight integration of nonfree components for hardware support
17:54<dr|z3d>mish: It's targetted at a different audience.
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17:54<dr|z3d>mish: You want out the box goodness, minimal fiddling with drivers, and a polished user experience, Ubuntu's for you.
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17:55<mish>dr|z3d: That would explain why some people are considering Ubuntu for production servers... What's your opinion on that?
17:55<dr|z3d>On the other hand, if you like to get deep and dirty into your OS, fix your own drivers, compile, etc, then Debian's more your home.
17:55<Jason1>aha then I'm lucky I installed Debian!
17:56<bremner>dr|z3d: you make us sound like gentoo
17:56<dr|z3d>mish: Ubuntu's not a bad version of Linux, at all. It's just not "pure" in the same way Debian is. Notwithstanding that, getting any Linux distro installed is preferrable to the alternatives :)
17:56<Jason1>yes correct, dr|z3d
17:56<dr|z3d>bremner: Haha. Maybe you are, minus the "compile everything" philosophy. ;)
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17:57<dr|z3d>Gentoo and Debian are both, in my view, enthusiast OS's more than they are commercially packaged OS's.
17:57<adb>!distro war
17:57<dpkg>somebody said distro war was saying debian is better than knoppix, even though it obviously isnt.
17:58<loudergood>that depends heavily on the version of debian
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17:58<Jason1>and stability is also important
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17:59<loudergood>people who run stable are less likely to be enthusiast than the nutballs(like myself) who run unstable
17:59<Slurb>only thing ive found more stable than debian or slack is freebsd
17:59<Jason1>lol nutballs
17:59<Jason1>unstable is risky for crashes anyways
18:00<dr|z3d>Unstable is for your home pc, not a production server.
18:00<Slurb>unstable doesnt have what i use
18:00<themill>dr|z3d: s/home pc/home pc as long as you have some clue/
18:00<Jason1>stable is for home
18:00<themill>(an important distinction)
18:01<dr|z3d>themill: Very true. No clue? Stick to Windows, or Ubuntu if you're brave ;)
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18:01<Jason1>ew Windows
18:01<loudergood>no clue will do very well with almost any slow release distro..because they won't be trying to do things the "windows way"
18:02<loudergood>they just want a web browser and word processor
18:02<Jason1>I rather live in linux and I should make the company do linux stuff
18:02<dr|z3d>Nothing wrong with that.
18:02<Jason1>making linux drivers
18:02<dr|z3d>Not everyone need be an uber geek.
18:02<dr|z3d>Some folk just want functional basics.
18:02<Kumool>of course, it is a matter of audience, what is really bothering, is that some people reinvent the wheel too much, you have all of this distro's that have a focus on something, and then you have others that do the same but use another package manager, and there, new distro, which if you ask me is a complete waste of time, instead of being a joint effort
18:03<loudergood>these are the easiest targets for conversion
18:03<Kumool>woah big message
18:03<loudergood>one package system would be nice..
18:03<Jason1>I liek big messages
18:03<loudergood>so would one desktop..but lets not go down that road ;)
18:03<Kumool>well im not saying that
18:04<dr|z3d>Sure, to some degree Linux, and its many, many flavors, is its own worst enemy. It's also its biggest strength. :)
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18:05<loudergood>it's like political parties, if you have only one or two of them they get stale
18:05<Kumool>there are some package managers that have a different audience, now i wouldnt want to compile everything but then again, i havent tried gentoo tho, mayb ill like it
18:05<Jason1>mmmm... stale parties
18:05<Kumool>loudergood, theres no better way to put it than that :D
18:07<Jason1>I'm sticking with Debian for now.
18:09*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
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18:09*Jason1 looks and knows that :).
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18:53<kaltrops>hey can someone help with setting up a simple NFS share?
18:54<kaltrops>I want to share a folder in my home folder publicly to the LAN
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18:54<kaltrops>in my /etc/exports i put
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18:55<kaltrops>and restarted the daemon and all
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18:55<kaltrops>but I cant access it from another computer
18:55<kaltrops>it just doesnt mount
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18:56<kaltrops>I CAN access it purely by host name right?
18:56<kaltrops>because im on dhcp
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18:56<chealer>kaltrops: of course
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18:57<kaltrops>so what could be going wrong?
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18:58<kaltrops>i think in my fstab i had put something like, "kaltrops:/ /mnt/kaltrops nfs4 auto 0 0
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18:59<kaltrops>and of course I tried mounting it but it just hangs
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19:00<kaltrops>no errors or anything
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19:07<icarus>hello debian users . i hate to ask for help but i have a i686 architecture and there is is as of currently no instation of debian for this what should i do?
19:07<kaltrops>i think i386 is the same thing
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19:08<icarus>are you sure ?
19:08<dpkg>In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel
19:08<chealer>icarus: i386 is for i686 (among others)
19:08<abrotman>that wasn't a helpful factoid :)
19:09<abrotman>icarus: what is your actual CPU ?
19:09<icarus>ok thaintel core2duo
19:09<chealer>kaltrops: a real hang is usually a bug...
19:09*chealer goes to eat
19:09<abrotman>if you have a 64bit core2 .. you can use i386 or amd64 .. both will work, though if it's just a desktop, i386 should be perfectly fine
19:10<icarus>it is a laptop
19:10<kaltrops>chealer: yeah mount -v hangs then says input output error
19:10<abrotman>icarus: same idea
19:10<icarus>sorry compleate new fag :S
19:10<kaltrops>should I stop trying to use nfs4?
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19:11<icarus>well thank you everyone
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19:14<kaltrops>so what would be the simplist, easiest way to share a single folder to the entire network with NFS?
19:14<kaltrops>because NFS4 just isnt working
19:15<kaltrops>this is my first time with NFS so im probably just screwing something up, yet I have looked over everything
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19:26<bja>Why did you change your nick?
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19:31<winpower>why ubuntu is too slow on my computer
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19:31<abrotman>winpower: ask #ubuntu on
19:31<themill>winpower: you'd have to ask them
19:31<bcstech>i would like to know what program i can install to setup a virtual pc on debian to run windows xp pro
19:32<abrotman>bcstech: qemu? vmware?
19:32<abrotman>vbox ?
19:32<winpower>virtual box
19:32<bcstech>okay kvm or virtual box
19:32<bcstech>can it get it in aptitude
19:33<winpower>try apt-get virtualbox.deb
19:33<jrabbit>the Vbox in testing isn't recent
19:33<jrabbit>I'd use one of their repos if you're intrested
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19:33<abrotman>winpower: that's not a valid command or package
19:34<themill>winpower: how about you try that command yourself...
19:34<jrabbit>its based in QT
19:34<bja>bcstech: kvm is hw dependent beware
19:34<jrabbit>so you'll drag in KDE if you don't have it
19:34<bcstech>so then vbox is the way to go
19:34<jrabbit>stupid apt thinking QT == KDE :P
19:34<bcstech>i have kde4
19:34<jrabbit>yeah try virtual box then
19:35<jrabbit>on the website they have the apt repos
19:35<jrabbit>choose the one for your release of debian
19:35<jrabbit>and follow the steps on the page
19:35<jrabbit>you'll get the msot recent Virtualbox
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19:35<winpower>well i am new in ubuntu
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19:36<abrotman>winpower: ask #ubuntu on
19:36<bcstech>what website
19:36<winpower>what is the ubuntu command if you
19:36<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
19:37<themill>jrabbit: "aptitude install virtualbox-ose" doesn't install any KDE stuff at all.
19:37<abrotman>winpower: /server .. then type /join #ubuntu
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19:37<jrabbit>themill: I don't know about the one in deian.
19:37<jrabbit>that one is like 2.6
19:38<themill>jrabbit: this is #debian.
19:38<jrabbit>I was looking at running 3.0.x on my box but gave up seeing kde XD
19:38<jrabbit>themill: Yes and its old.
19:38<jrabbit>Security flaws you know.
19:38<themill>judd versions virtualbox-ose
19:38<judd>themill: virtualbox-ose -- etch-backports: 1.6.6-dfsg-3~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3 lenny-backports: 2.1.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.1.4-dfsg-1 sid: 3.0.2-dfsg-1
19:38<winpower>thanks i am of to ubuntu and will be back tomorrow
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19:39<jrabbit>you want to explain apt-pinning to soemone jsut to isntall a package?
19:39<themill>(and that doesn't drag in kde)
19:39<jrabbit>That's not fair and you know it.
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19:39<abrotman>as opposed to installing from the website and how to clean it up later ?
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19:41<bcstech>thanks i hope it works
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19:42<bcstech>i am attempting to setup global vpn from sonicwall and I cant install on debian so maybe I can do it though the vbox any comments would be great
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19:44<jrabbit>abrotman: huh? they run repos with the latest ones only real issue is its not a DFSG compatable one I don't think
19:44<johns>Trying out GNOME, first time in a long time. What do I do if the greeter keeps crashing? It says it is trying a different one, but I never get a login.
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19:44<johns>This is on unstable, and I think I may have made it unhappy by telling it to make the on-screen keyboard available.
19:44<jrabbit>johns: go to a terminal and login?
19:44<johns>jrabbit: Yes, that's how I'm talking to you now :P
19:44<jrabbit>ah ok
19:45<jrabbit>you shoudl be able to startx and get into gnome's prefrences
19:45<jaremey>i just reinstalled ubuntu 9.04 and my firefox is running 3.1. i cant add fireftp without updating it. i downloaded the 3.5 version and i cant get it to work. is there something i need to do?
19:45<jrabbit>it could be something exploded and theres an update did you check that?
19:45<bremner>!tell jaremey -about ubuntu
19:45<johns>jrabbit: Yeah, I tried gconf-editor, but it says it can't access the configuration server
19:46<jrabbit>johns: ps aux | grep gnome or the relevant bits
19:46<jrabbit>it could be still running
19:46<jrabbit>and causing a clash
19:46<johns>jrabbit: I don't see anything gnome-ish running
19:46<jrabbit>Sounds like something broke in gnome's core
19:46<johns>I mean, it was working fine, then I changed the screen option and logged out.
19:46<jrabbit>I'd say give it a dist-upgrade and a reboot
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19:47<johns>by screen option I mean on-screen-keyboard
19:47<jrabbit>hm maybe you can fidn the file that has the GDM info
19:47<jrabbit>I assume it's in /etc
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19:47<jrabbit>lemme look for mine
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19:48<jrabbit>it also has a log you might want to read in the usual place
19:48<johns>Yeah, I grepped for keyboard or gok in there and didn't see anything
19:48<jrabbit>Do you require the OSK?
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19:48<jrabbit>could we remove it?
19:49<johns>jrabbit: Yeah, since it's a tablet I'd like to have that
19:49<jrabbit>well maybe if we remove it it won't break gnome for now...
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19:55<jaremey>i just reinstalled ubuntu 9.04 and my firefox is running 3.1. i cant add fireftp without updating it. i downloaded the 3.5 version and i cant get it to work. is there something i need to do?
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19:56<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
19:56<jrabbit>oh he left
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20:01<cozzie>hello everyone. Im having a major problem with debian 5.0.2
20:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:02<bcstech>okay really stupid question how do I know which module to install for vbox
20:03<bcstech>i have a intel centrino duo dell latitude d520
20:03<Slurb>bcstech: modprobe vboxdrv for virtualbox
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20:03<bcstech>i did that it says not found
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20:04<bcstech>so now i am looking for the right module for my system
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20:04<Slurb>how did you install virtualbox
20:04<bcstech>i installed virtualbox-ose
20:05<bcstech>in aptitude
20:05<cozzie>I just did 2 installs of Debian 5.0.2, and by default, gnome-network & pidgin was not install, is there a problem with the build?
20:05<rudi_s_>cozzie: aptitude install pidgin?
20:06<Slurb>bcstech: sudo aptitude intall virtualbox-ose-modules
20:06<Zoe>I have lenny installed and I've always used apt-get to install packages, if I want to upgrade to squeeze should I use apt-get or is it safe to use aptitude considering that all packages were installed with apt-get?
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20:06<bcstech>okay let me try
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20:06<cozzie>rudi_s_: I have, Im curious as of why is build 5.0.2 messed up...
20:07<themill>Zoe: aptitude is preferred. Just be careful that aptitude doesn't suddenly want to uninstall lots of things on you and "/msg dpkg autoremove" if it does
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20:08<bcstech>okay it installed
20:08<Zoe>ok, thanks
20:09<bcstech>then i run the modprobe vboxdev it says module not found
20:10<dpkg>i guess virtualbox is a virtual machine solution. VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is available for Lenny and as a backport for Etch. Ask me about <vbox-install lenny>, <vbox-install etch>, <vbox-install squeeze>. #vbox on See also <virtualization>.
20:10<bcstech>vbox-install lenny
20:11<bcstech>let me check out the pages
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20:12<rudi_s_>cozzie: What do you mean with messed up?
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20:15<cozzie>rudi_s_: my keyboard was set to gb_utf8 and somehow its usa (@=", #=\) some essiantial software is missing (network-manager, pidgin)... and thats the stuff that i have noticed soo far...
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20:20<rudi_s_>cozzie: /msg dpkg keymap for your keyboard problem. To install the software run aptitude install piding/network-manager.
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20:23<cozzie>rudi_s_: thanks, im just going to install the base system then manually install the rest of my system to make sure nothing is missing... Its strange that 5.0.2 seems to not install correctly.. thanks again
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20:23<rudi_s_>cozzie: Sorry, but I don't get your problem. Why do you expect pidgin to be present on a default install?
20:24<chealer>cozzie: neither network-manager nor pidgin are essential. you left Desktop environment selected during the install, right?
20:24<cozzie>rudi_s_: it was in release 5.0.0 & 5.0.1
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20:25<rudi_s_>cozzie: Oh, didn't know that. But installing it with aptitude shouldn't be a problem.
20:25<cozzie>chealer: yes, gnome's gui was installed, but network-manager wasn't..
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20:26<adb>cozzie: network-manager is a extra , don't needed anyways
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20:27<chealer>cozzie: how did you install?
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20:28<cozzie>chealer: 5.0.2 amd64 dvd-1
20:28<chealer>cozzie: did you do anything particular during the install?
20:30<cozzie>chealer: nope, just selected united kingdon, gb.utf8 & AT keyboard
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20:30<chealer>cozzie: what is the locale on the installed system?
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20:32<fgh>im trying to run this: but where can i find floppy/boot.img ?
20:33<abrotman>i think only available for etch
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20:34<fgh>etch is 4.0?
20:34<adama>fgh: true
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20:35<cozzie>fgh: once you install etch, you can upgrade to lenny
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20:36<wilberfan>when i boot squeeze with my webcam plugged in, i get no audio. i think the built-in mic is confusing alsa? any idea how i can fix this?
20:36<fgh>ye i know. just wanted to install a clean stable/lenny system without upgrades etc
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20:36<cozzie>chealer: I installed gb_utf.8 only
20:37<fgh>im running testing/sid now on the machine and just too lazy to pop the computercover to connect the cdrom :)
20:38<chealer>cozzie: so there's no problem for the locale proper?
20:38<adb>fgh: debootstrap lenny lenny , will get you a "clean" lenny medium
20:39<craigevil>wilberfan: open alsamixer and see if the cam speaker/mic shows up
20:39<chealer>wilberfan: does unplugging and replugging help?
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20:40<fgh>adb: didnt know about that. got some stuff to read now, thank you
20:40<wilberfan>well it's working this time... [blush] i might have been premature in my panic...
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20:41<bcstech>how do i read a key on the cdrom where can i access it
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20:43<cozzie>chealer: yes there is, its somehow installed 'us'. imho i think something is wrong with the debian build, i will go through it manually to fix this. thanks for your support though
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20:46<chealer>cozzie: so just the keyboard layout, not the locale (output) itself?
20:46<fgh>so with debootstrap i can install my new lenny system from my sid-install and when configured and ready i can boot into lenny and remove sid?
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20:49<adb>fgh: if you debootstrap it in a new partition this plan may be doable
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20:50<fgh>too bad i dont have any unused space left then..
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20:50<adb>resize some partition ?
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20:52<fgh>that crossed my mind but i have never done it before and dont know about any resizeprogram
20:52<cozzie>fgh: gparted is easy to use
20:53<fgh>you guys are very helpful, ill have a look at that aswell then
20:53<fgh>thanks :)
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20:54<fgh>or maybe i should just turn off power bend down and connect cdrom. but would be nice if i could run my old sid system undtil new one is completely ready :)
20:55<fgh>and in this way i might have a chance, right?
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20:57<adb>anyways it seems you need a new partition
20:57<cozzie>fgh: in my opinion, it is always better to install from a cd...
20:57<adb>i agree ..
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20:59<fgh>yep. feels like ill go for a 502 netinstall iso
20:59<fgh>after gparted have done magics :)
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21:00<fgh>i just dont understand why i should be so hard to stay away from testing version
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21:02<adb>which testing version?
21:02<adb>lenny ?
21:02<fgh>no, squeeze
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21:07<dpkg>salam is probably hello
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21:08<cozzie>oh lol!! I just dd if=/home/user/Desktop/boot.img of=/dev/hda
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21:16<fgh>hmm, i want to resize / but cant since its mounted and has to be
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21:17<Slurb>fgh you have to use a live cd or usbstick
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21:23<Slurb>how do i get irssi to stop showing joins and parts
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21:25<vvas>Slurb: /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS
21:26<vvas>Slurb: (it's what i've done)
21:26<Slurb>i just tried something
21:26<Slurb> /set channel_sync off
21:26<Slurb>i dont know if it will work
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21:27<Slurb>it seems to have
21:27<vvas> Set whether irssi should synchronize a channel on join. When enabled, irssi will gather extra information about a channel: modes, who list, ban list, ban exceptions, and invite list.
21:28<vvas>" doesn't seem very relevant (or useful to switch it off)
21:28<Slurb>i think it turned off the join part quit messages though
21:28<Slurb>not sure yet
21:28<vvas>Slurb, what i offered *does* work. ignore it at your peril :^)
21:29<Slurb>i know i want something permanent
21:29<vvas>it *is* permanent, irssi saves the ignore list
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21:30<vvas>anyway, off to sleep i go
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21:30<Slurb>thx for the advice
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21:43<Sixface>anyone here
21:43*olasd looks around
21:43<abrotman>look under the table
21:43*olasd looks under the table
21:44<Sixface>how to type like a narration /??
21:44<Sixface>like the above
21:44<olasd>/me does stuff
21:44<olasd>anyway, what was your real question?
21:45*Sixface understand..
21:45*Sixface got it
21:45<Sixface>so.. what is everyone doing here
21:46<olasd>I think everyone is waiting eagerly for your question
21:47<Sixface>ha ha
21:48<Sixface>so... where are you from.. olasd ??
21:48<olasd>I'm not sure it's quite on topic
21:49<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
21:50<Sixface>ok ok..
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22:04<kmonk>anyone else having problems apt-getting gtk1.2?
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22:04<abrotman>need more details
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22:05<kmonk>it would appear to be missing from the sid repositories
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22:06<kmonk>libgtk1.2 to be specific
22:07<johns>I turned on debug in gdm, not seeing anything that looks very strange in the logs though
22:07<johns>except for the humorous statement of failure
22:07<johns>Jul 21 21:40:40 myles gdm[12093]: WARNING: failsafe dialog failed
22:09<kmonk>what's wrong john, being dropped to terminal?
22:09<johns>kmonk: gdm reporting that the greeter has crashed, and trying again, and again...
22:10<abrotman>kmonk: deprecated, removed .. why woudl you want it ?
22:10<dr|z3d>johns: You could install slim, as a workaround.
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22:10<kmonk>ctrl-alt into a different terminal, killall gdm, and just try startx
22:10<johns>kmonk: yes, that works
22:11<kmonk>for the exact same reason johns having problems, old established methods work
22:11<abrotman>kmonk: why do you want gtk1.2?
22:11<kmonk>not having gtk1.2 invalidates every program designed before gtk2 .. there's thousands of them
22:12<johns>kmonk: but my goal here is to get the display manager working with an on-screen keyboard
22:12<abrotman>great .. since gtk1.x has been dead upstream for .. forever ?
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22:12<kmonk>good apps, without replacements, like xoscope.. that's the one i want right now, it's in the repo !!
22:12<abrotman>kmonk: get gtk1.2 from lenny
22:12<abrotman>his problem isn't related to yours
22:13<abrotman>kmonk: xoscope in debian ?
22:13<kmonk>yeah man
22:13<chealer>kmonk: people should generally not use unstable as a default release. reinstall stable or testing
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22:14<kmonk>-most- people should not :)
22:15<kmonk>ok i'll get gtk1.2 from lenny thanks abrotman
22:16<abrotman>you should have at least checked the BTS ..
22:16<abrotman>only three related bugs .. and you couldn't figure out what was going on .. sounds like you shouldn't be running unstable either
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22:18<kmonk>i have apt-listbugs read me the latest bugs
22:18<kmonk>it's easier
22:18<abrotman>and you still couldn't figure it out?
22:18<kmonk>no, it's just not on the repo anymore >_<
22:18<abrotman>xoscope is .. those bugs are all on xoscope
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22:19<kmonk>oh right, no it wont install because libgtk1.2 isn't on the repo, which xoscope depends apon
22:19<abrotman>so .. apt-listbugs on xoscope was hard?
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22:21<kmonk>it's an outrage
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22:21<kmonk>nothing wrong with gtk1.2
22:21<kmonk>but anyway i'll take it to the dev's bye bye
22:21<abrotman>it's dead upstream
22:21<johns>should gdm.conf have something under [greeter]?
22:21<kmonk>and replaced by what? kde4? gimme a break
22:22<abrotman>GTK2 ?
22:22<abrotman>hard to imagine .. i know
22:22<kmonk>gtk2 isn't backwards compatible
22:22<abrotman>it's not supposed to be ..
22:22<kmonk>and is therefore not a replacement
22:22<abrotman>do you realize that the gtk1.2 line started over 10 years ago ...
22:23<abrotman>oh forget it .. enjoy your broken bits
22:23<kmonk>you still use bash every time you turn your computer on, it was made like, 20 years ago
22:23<abrotman>quit whining and step up and maintain it .. no one else expects it to run forever
22:23<kmonk>good point :>
22:24<abrotman>gtk2 has been around since 2002 .. if your app hasn't been ported, you're either lazy or have no users
22:25<craigevil>kmonk: just get xoscope from its homepage> Version 2.0 is a major release, and the first xoscope release to use GTK+ 2.0 exclusively.
22:25<kmonk>legend :) hi craigevil
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23:06<ntrock>Hola amigos, tengo un Problema, e Instalado debian en una PC antigua que estoy reviviendo :P, y que trae integrada una Tarjeta de video NVIDIA TNT y no se que pasa pero mi resolucion no es mayor a 800x600 y quisiera aunque sea mis Habituales 1024x768 e leido que esos drivers ya no son incluidos en DEBIAN, me prodrian ayudar a solucionar mi problema ?
23:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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23:11<kmonk-bze>hmm, when a program references for a audio device name, it's liek... hw0,0 or something >_<
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23:24<southernc>anyone know why when trying to compile anything i get this error The file /usr/src/linux- does not exist.
23:24<southernc>do i have to create a symlink or something
23:24<johns>southernc: do you have the headers package installed?
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23:26<southernc>is there anyway i can cheat and make a version.h file...
23:27<chealer>southernc: like what?
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23:28<southernc>i dunno someway to be able to compile stuff
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23:32<southernc>or how you create one...
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23:34<chealer>southernc: compile anything like what?
23:34<southernc>it doesnt matter everything complains about no version.h
23:34<southernc>alsa sound drivers
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23:35<Jason1>how do I burn a .xvid format?
23:35<Jason1>format CD?
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23:36<christian>hi where can find a source list complete for debian lenny !
23:36<Jason1>I meant xvid format CD
23:36<craigevil>!tell christian about sources.list
23:37<chealer>southernc: these are both LKM-s
23:37<christian>ok thats complete, i mean for firefox, and that things !
23:37<craigevil>firefox is iceweasel
23:37<southernc>just add main contrib -non-free to end of your already repos
23:38<southernc>chealer, could you be more specific
23:38<christian>ho okay
23:38<christian>thanks alot !
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23:39<chealer>southernc: why would one do that?
23:39<southernc>why would one want sound ?
23:39<craigevil>christian: if you want a quick way to install all of the multimedia stuff take a look at >
23:40<chealer>southernc: if you just get the error when trying to compile fglrx and alsa sound drivers, that's not when trying to compile anything, that must be when trying to compile LKM-s
23:40<southernc>or a video card that keeps crashing with reg non-propriety drivers
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23:40<chealer>southernc: why would one add main contrib -non-free ?
23:41<southernc>i corrected it
23:41<christian>oki:D, i need install spanish language whats the package
23:42<adb>for ?
23:43<chealer>christian: there is no way to install translations for a language for all programs (except installing packages one by one).
23:44<christian>i need install spanish languge only are pack maybe language-es-pack
23:44<christian>or smthing
23:45<christian>apt-get install language-pack-kde-es << y try this but says dont found
23:46<chealer>christian: unfortunately, as I wrote, there is basically no way to install translations for a language for all programs.
23:46<adb>dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
23:48<craigevil>christian: apt-get install kde-i18n-es
23:49<christian>for my keyboard i need change it to espanol
23:49<christian>i founded !
23:49<Jason1>good boy?
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23:51<Jason1>!win christian
23:51<dpkg>Congratulations, christian! You have won the US presidency!
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23:54<ml|>anybody else getting this at boot... Not starting internet superserver: no services enabled ?? I have read that xinetd is a better option than using openbsd-inetd. Is this really needed?
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23:55<Jason1>I dunno
23:56<jmarsden>ml|: inetd or xientd are only needed if you want to run services that use them.
23:56<adb>ml|: /etc/inetd.conf is empty by default in lenny
23:56<ml|>jmarsden: ok, that's what i thought just making sure
23:56<craigevil>xinetd: Installed: (none) openbsd-inetd: Installed: (none), neither one is needed on a desktop really
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23:57<jmarsden>No problem.
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23:58<ml|>adb: mine is not, testing
23:58<ml|>craigevil: thanks
23:59<ml|>you guys confired my suspicion's, thanks again :)
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