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---Logopened Sat Jul 25 00:00:55 2009
00:00<koolmena>hola, alguien en español ?
00:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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00:01<sney>de nada
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00:04<snif>hola ... tu hablas el español ?
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00:10<mantra_>i have solved my networking woes!
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00:11<barryd>I can not for the life of me open port 80 for the internet, but out of the box port 22 is open
00:11<barryd>what am I doing wrong
00:11<sney>port 80 won't just be "open" unless there's a service listening on that port
00:11<sney>such as a httpd
00:12<barryd>I can connect to it through my lan
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00:12<barryd>but i can't connect through it on a proxy, to assure myself that its available online
00:12<sney>but not from the internet? you need to forward it to the webserver from your router
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00:12<barryd>i have done that as well
00:14<barryd>I thought at first I needed to redo the config
00:14<barryd>change the listen paramter to Listen
00:14<barryd>I did that, and atleast now in the netstat it shows up now
00:14<sney>does it just sit there and say "waiting" and then eventually time out?
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00:14<barryd>according to the proxy, it says could not connect to host
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00:15<barryd>but again, ssh is just fine, i was able to login using a ajax client online
00:15<sney>yeah, because I'm trying to connect right now and I can't even ping you.
00:15<barryd>ping, well, there is a router, I do have that turned off
00:15<sney>hmm I do see the ssh connection
00:15<barryd>whois sney
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00:16<barryd>i didnt know our addresses were open
00:16<sney>I'm in alberta. telus hostmasks always show off the ip address.
00:16<barryd>but you see my point
00:16<sney>yeah, it's weird
00:16<barryd>im in bc atm, going back home tomorrow, and I just finsihed setting up this computer
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00:17<barryd>even wrote a program to check if the ip address changes every hour with cron to email me on the change
00:17<barryd>ftp should be open as well, and its not
00:17<sney>is it just a regular consumer router?
00:17<barryd>is there something in out of the box with debian that doesnt explicitly open these services?
00:17<sney>or is it the telus box
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00:18<barryd>sure, netgear, I tried dmz, and adding the ports
00:18<barryd>ssh remaind open, while the rest stay closed
00:18<barryd>i even isntalled firestarter
00:18<sney>but you said you can connect to your ftp/http services from within the lan right
00:19<barryd>with both the local address, and the ip address, whihc made me think I was online
00:19<barryd>until I used online proxies
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00:19<sney>yeah, so that's not going to be the debian config, it's gotta be something with your network setup
00:19<sney>if you plug the server directly into your dsl modem it'll probably work
00:20<barryd>that would be to bad, but worth the try
00:21<barryd>ill brb
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00:25<sney> [] 80 (www) open
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00:26<barryd>well, thankyou for checking
00:26<sney>well at least you know what the problem is
00:26<sney>you're welcome
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00:27<barryd>im going to go ahead and check for a router update first
00:27<sney>yeah, or maybe one of those fancy firmware replacements
00:27<barryd>brb, gotta reconnect to router
00:28<barryd>heh, naa, I need to be working atleast
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00:53<bumpylight>Has anyone tried selling copies of Debian with cute ten inch Tux the Linux Penguin plush dolls?
00:53<bumpylight>Or any Linux for that matter?
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00:55<sney>and I was going to answer him, too
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01:02<kurumin>apt get
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01:21<mataks>help pls newbie here.. everytime i boot to linux i can 't start x graphical automatically.. i have to manually type "startx" to run the x server.. why is that? help pls...
01:22<craigevil>mataks: did you install a graphical login manager like gdm/kdm/xdm/slim?
01:23<taiyedbrodel>have you install gdm/xdm/kdm?
01:23<mataks>i think no.. i did a fresh install and im just newbie
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01:24<mataks>what's better gdm, kdm , xdm or slim? and how to install graphical manager/
01:24<taiyedbrodel>which desktop environment did you installed?
01:24<taiyedbrodel>gnome? kde? xfce? LXDE?
01:26<taiyedbrodel>check if you have gdm installed...
01:27<craigevil>better yet just install it aptitude install gdm
01:28<mataks>ok done..
01:29<craigevil>now try /etc/init.d/gdm start
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01:29<mataks>why is that
01:29<digle>sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
01:30<craigevil>try it from tty1, do ctrl+alt+F1 and start it from there as root
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01:36<mataks>craigevil: i did what you said.. gdm starts but on low resolution.. help pls. how to set it to the resolution on what i have now.
01:37<craigevil>should be able to set it on the gnome settings, i dont use gnome, if not you will have to edit your xorg.conf
01:38<mataks>what will i change in my xorg.conf? i don't know what to change.. can i give you the logs?
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01:39<craigevil>havent a clue my xorg.conf is pretty much blank
01:40<craigevil>try using xrandr
01:40<taiyedbrodel>just change your resolution, it should remember it next time
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01:40<mataks>taiyedbrodel: i already did change the resolution.. but everytime i restart my pc it loads on low resolution..
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01:42<taiyedbrodel>well, let me tell you I'm having the same problem, except that I have XFCE
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01:48<happydufus>mtaks: if xorg ig guessing you resoloution wrong you can edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and set the correct resolution
01:49<happydufus>that way it no longer has to guess
01:50<happydufus>when xorg kept guessing my keyboard wrong putting an entry in xorg,conf fixe it
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02:39<Shazburg>sir: People come and go in here quite a bit. Ask your question and someone will see it.
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02:45<sir_fer>lets try that again
02:45<sir_fer>torvalds is god!
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02:56<sir_fer>i is here
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03:10<taiyedbrodel>kde sucks
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03:12<craigevil>correction kde4 sucks, kde3 rocks :P
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03:14<taiyedbrodel>I've always try to like KDE
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03:14<taiyedbrodel>I could never get to like it
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03:18<craigevil>i ran kde for years, but when kde4 hit sid i removed it and went with lxde
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03:26<craigevil>lxde works just as well for me as kde did, and its a lot lighter than kde4, Processes 108 Uptime 12:17 Memory 168.9/493.5MB thats in lxde with firefox+chatzilla and 6 tabs, shell-fm, lxterminal, pcmanfm, parcellite
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03:32<taiyedbrodel>craigevil i tried lxde but i feel it a lil buggy
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03:35<EmleyMoor>Is there anything in Debian that can play .rol files?
03:35<craigevil>taiyedbrodel: the version in sid is much better than the one in lenny and testing
03:36<taiyedbrodel>it didn't remember my screen resolution nor my keyboard layout
03:37<taiyedbrodel>EmleyMoor try Timidity
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03:38<valdyn>EmleyMoor: google it?
03:40<craigevil>libadplug0c2a - free AdLib sound library might work since google says adlib in winamp will play it
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03:40<craigevil>audacios with the xmp-audacious will as well
03:41<valdyn>or adplay
03:41<valdyn>or xmms
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03:41<valdyn>or many audio players, I guess
03:41<taiyedbrodel>any player if libadplug0c2a is installed i guess
03:42<valdyn>im not sure gstreamer players will play it
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03:43<taiyedbrodel>i'm bored... i need a good game
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03:49<Hans_Henrik>when you install debian, and there already is a bootloader installed, do debian backup the original MBR?
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03:50<Hans_Henrik>(with GRUB Legacy)
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03:50<EmleyMoor>adplay is trying to use device plughw:0,0 and getting an error opening it - how should I proceed?
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03:56<EmleyMoor>... and what audacious plays is nothing like!
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04:03<mataks>can someone help me.. everytime i start my linux i don't have a graphical login screen and it's in low resolution.. help pls..
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04:10<mantra_>What is the best way to backup a drive as a compressed disc image?
04:10<mantra_>is there a livecd that will do this?
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04:16<mataks>can someone help me everytime i start my pc i don't get a graphical logon screen.. why is that.. help pls..
04:16<digle>mantra_: look up squashfs
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04:18<digle>mataks: is gdm installed? what does dmesg say? any xorg errors?
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04:19<mataks>failed to start x server
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04:19<mataks>digle: failed to start x server.. everytime i go to desktop i type in "startx" in the terminal..
04:19<mataks>and it's always in low resolution even if i change it to higher.
04:20<josephcastle>somebody of u ....
04:20<josephcastle>knows how can i open all my windows programs__
04:20<Bernd__amd64>not all but some of them via wine
04:20<josephcastle>i have WINE... but it doesn't open all
04:21<Bernd__amd64>else you can use virtualbox
04:21<josephcastle>virtualbox is a machine...
04:21<josephcastle>that emulate
04:21<Bernd__amd64>don´t know wich app you want
04:21<josephcastle>i lose my video power...
04:22<Bernd__amd64>what app we are talking about ?
04:22<digle>"failed to start x server" is this an error your seeing? take a look through /var/log, i'm not sure exactly where
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04:22<josephcastle>when i use vmwmare... i just can work with 16 mb of video
04:23<digle>mataks: if nothing is complaining, maybe it's an /etc/init.d/ thing
04:23<josephcastle>but it doesn-t enough for me...
04:23<Bernd__amd64>virtualbox supports up to 128MB and also 3d accel ( still experimental )
04:24<josephcastle>i mean... vmwmare... assign... just 16 mb
04:24<josephcastle>virtual box assign...
04:24<josephcastle>or let me work with my video card original??
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04:25<Bernd__amd64>no gfx card is not you real one in vBox ...
04:26<Bernd__amd64>anyone know how to transform QEMU-IMAGE to Virtualbox
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04:27<josephcastle>i heard too about QEMU...
04:27<josephcastle>what is the difference between last two_
04:28<mataks>digle: i tried to open "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" and there's no settings..
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04:28<mataks>maybe that's the reason why everytime i start up i can't get graphical logon screen
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04:30<digle>mataks: hm, that is strange, i think the package installs a bare one for you
04:30<Bernd__amd64>reconfigure X
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04:31<josephcastle>what is the difference between ubuntu kubuntu xubuntu myubuntu
04:32<slush>this is #debian
04:32<mataks>digle: what should i do.. im just new in linux
04:32<digle>yeah, we hate ubuntu here
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04:33<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too.
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04:34<slush>mataks: these days xorg.conf is empty by default, but you could try 'Xorg -configure'
04:35<EmleyMoor>I am still getting nowhere with playing .rol files... audacious plays something but it is a lot of low sounds nothing like the tune. adplay says adplay: error opening PCM device -- plughw:0,0
04:35<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template.
04:35<Bernd__amd64>mataks, also dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server should work
04:35<digle>X has always been a bit of black magic to me
04:36<Bernd__amd64>dooo ... dpkg already said ^^
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04:36<mataks>Bernd__amd64: i already did that how many times and it doesn't work.. i still don't have graphical logon on startup
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04:38<Bernd__amd64>what happens if you try : /etc/init.d/gdm
04:39<mataks>wait i try
04:41<mataks>/etc/init.d/gdm restart .. stopping gnome display manager.. [ok] starting gnome display manager.. [fail]
04:41<mataks>Bernd__amd64: i got fail on gdm restart
04:41<Hideo>mataks: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors
04:41<Bernd__amd64>so it should ask you for display error log
04:41<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
04:42<Hideo>mataks: ^
04:42<taiyedbrodel>I'm on debian squeeze, I really want to try KDE but installing KDE 3, how can I know which package to install? I don't wanna end up with version 4.x.x
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04:44<mataks>Hideo: so many result.. don't know what to look in there.. im newbie here.. i just have a fresh install
04:44<Hideo>mataks: read what dpkg says above
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04:46<Hideo>judd: versions kdebase
04:46<judd>Hideo: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 sid: 4:4.2.4-1 squeeze: 4:4.2.4-1 experimental: 4:4.2.96-1
04:46<Hideo>taiyedbrodel: ^
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04:48<Hideo>taiyedbrodel: hmm that's kinda weird, just do "apt-cache policy kdebase" instead
04:48<mataks>Hideo: (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" / (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section. / (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0) <-- is it on the layout screen?
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04:48<EmleyMoor>Anything not already mentioned I could try to play .rol files?
04:48<Hideo>!tell mataks about paste
04:48<Hideo>mataks: paste those files on to a paste site
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04:54<taiyedbrodel>Hideo the search results are in here they're in spanish but you should get it
04:54<mataks>Hideo: here
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04:55<Hideo>taiyedbrodel: I didn't tell you to pastebin it :P just wanted to show you how to get the results
04:55<taiyedbrodel>yeah but there's nothing that says kde 3
04:55<taiyedbrodel>it's just kde4 all over
04:56<Hideo>taiyedbrodel: well there's your answer, kde 3 is in stable lenny only
04:56<Hideo>taiyedbrodel: the numbers after the ":"
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04:56<taiyedbrodel>i kinda know my why around debian, i just needed the exact package which now I know it isn't in testing
04:57<taiyedbrodel>anyway, thanks
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04:58<Hideo>mataks: you're using ubuntu :( and you're asking in #debian
04:58<Hideo>mataks: looks fine from that log
04:59<Hideo>mataks: what graphic card?
04:59<mataks>then what's wrong how come i don't have graphical logon screen everytime i startup
04:59<mataks>nvidia 7300GT
04:59<Hideo>mataks: "cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager"
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05:00<Hideo>mataks: "dpkg-reconfigure gdm"
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05:01<Hideo>mataks: anything in .xsession-errors?
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05:02<Hideo>mataks: ubuntu isn't really support here and there maybe differences between ubuntu and debian that I don't know about
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05:03<EmleyMoor>I want a "native" way to play some old .rol files
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05:04<taiyedbrodel>EmleyMoor there's a windows app you could install thru wine
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05:04<mataks>after i reconfigure gdm... pop up msg showed that graphic card driver won't detect.. need to configure it yourself... .why is that
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05:04<mataks>i already have installed a graphic card
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05:06<Hideo>EmleyMoor: apt-cache show adplug-utils
05:06<Hideo>EmleyMoor: apt-cache show adplay also
05:07<EmleyMoor>adplay can't open plughw:0,0
05:07<Hideo>can't help ya then, I've never used adplay before
05:08<Hideo>looks like something else is using sound
05:09<Hideo>mataks: that's the best I could help ya, I don't know what ubuntu does
05:09<EmleyMoor>The only adplug-util is adplugdb
05:11<EmleyMoor>audacious was said to be capable of it but what it plays is nothing like
05:12<Hideo>mataks: I know nothing about nvidia and whether ubuntu supports nvidia 7300GT or not, that is whether you use the free or proprietary driver
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05:16<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... not even AudioOverload works - trying to access /dev/dsp
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05:18<XayOn>Hi, I'm having problems with lastest debian cds... I checked md5sums and they're ok, however cd won't boot and cdrecord says it has a microscopic trac size (0)
05:19<Vicci-27>Hi, does anyone know if there is a nice burn program with cover dising in it?
05:19<XayOn>Correction: lastest testing debian netinst and bussinescard cds.
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05:22<valdyn>EmleyMoor: why cant it open plughw:0,0?
05:22<valdyn>EmleyMoor: because pulseaudio is blocking it?
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05:27<azeem>There will be a session about Debian IRC Support (#d and other channels) at Debconf9 in 1:30 - /j #debconf-upper (on irc.d.o) if you want to join
05:28<EmleyMoor>valdyn: I don't know - but I would be happy to find out given some guidance
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05:33<EmleyMoor>adplay seems not to understand the files even when I send output to disk
05:34<EmleyMoor>Any other way to play or convert rol files?
05:35<EmleyMoor>Tried rol2midi (DOS) and it worked after a fashion but he drums were wrong
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05:42<azeem>There will be a session about Debian IRC Support (#d and other channels) at Debconf9 in 1:30 - /j #debconf-lower (on irc.d.o) if you want to join
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05:42<azeem>sorry, it's in #debconf-lower actually
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05:46<ml|>azeem: thanks for the info, so that will be in ~1:30 from now correct?
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06:02<XayOn>I don't want to install debian from stable and upgrade to testing but debian testing installer seems to be broken for me.
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06:03<locklace>XayOn: it's always broken. install debian from stable and upgrade to testing.
06:04<XayOn>locklace, when lenny was testint it wasn't like that. However, that's not how it should be.
06:04<XayOn>I've just wasted 3 cds because of that.
06:05<locklace>XayOn: just telling you how it is. you can bitch some more, work on fixing it, or take the shortest path to a working system and do what i said.
06:06<XayOn>I like the two first ones, but for now I'll do the third =)
06:06<XayOn>Anyway, I noticed of that already
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06:24<Xeross>Hey, Sometimes my server box loses connection to my router, Maybe because the router reboots I dunno maybe it just drops. Now I'm wondering what could cause this ?
06:24<Xeross>It also doesn't "reconnect"
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06:33<Xeross>So I'm going to check the syslog to see if something is in there what else could I check
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06:34<XayOn>Xeross, you're answering yourself =D
06:34<heini>hallo, ich habe debian installiert und wollte fragen ob ich portmap komplett deinstallieren kann ?
06:35<XayOn>heini, this is for english speacking.
06:35<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
06:35<heini>ups sorry, is it possible to deinstall the portmap service in debian lenny ?
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07:02<XayOn>seems my cd burner is broken and it wasn't cd's fault.
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07:07<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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07:39<kmonk>what's a good, lightweight program that does sane scanning
07:40<kmonk>considering quitesane
07:40<kmonk>sorry.. that's quiteinsane
07:40<bremner>xvinfo seems ok, but vlc and xine can't seem to use it. Do I need to be in a special group or something?
07:40<kmonk>how i'm feeling after getting debiana testnig built from scratch, but yeah
07:41<bremner>kmonk: xsane is ok in my limited experience
07:41<bremner>mplayer also gets BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
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07:42<kmonk>ugh yeah, im a bit upset about how the linux implimentation of mplayer has gone, i now use gxine, does what a video player should
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07:43<kmonk>xane= choice! thanks for that
07:45<kmonk>it even has email support, neato
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07:48*bremner upgrades xserver-xorg-intel to the bleading edge. I'm _sure_ that will help :)
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07:51<kmonk>if you're using intel, that's the one to have
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07:52<bremner>freaky, that seems to have fixed the problem.
07:52<kmonk>:> yaty
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08:26<XayOn>I've never had so many problems installing a distro in my laptop as I'm having today =(. First the cd writer that brokes cds (my mac's with stable), three broken cds. Then the broken netboot instalation for sid ... Netboot for lenny works.
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08:28<Slurb>i wouldnt suggest sid to anyone
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08:28<Slurb>its always broken in one way or another
08:28<Slurb>lenny is great though
08:28<kmonk>a suggestion
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08:29<kmonk>remove the cd-drive, sounds dodgy, and use a usb installation
08:29<XayOn>Slurb, I see... I just had lenny since testing and missed the "testing" things.
08:29<XayOn>kmonk why? I've already done a netboot installation, as i said ;-)
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08:30<kmonk>i've had no major problems with sid or testing, broken repositories in sid are a pain though and getting pure debian-anything always seems to require a bit of manual intervention :)
08:30<Slurb>if you want testing get squeeze
08:30<Slurb>not sid
08:30<Slurb>sid is unstable
08:30<kmonk>yep, running squeeze now, couldnt be happier
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08:31<XayOn>Slurb, argh! what a fail... Well... it will take at most half an hour to reinstall (I wanted a clean install)
08:31<XayOn>squeeze... I've allways liked that character from the movie =)
08:32<kmonk>can you install from the debian live cd's?
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08:32<Slurb>if you want testing i would recomment starting with lenny and upgrading
08:33<kmonk>is upgrading really as simple as changing the sources.lst and preforming a d-u? i wouldnt know
08:33<XayOn>but sometimes it lefts rubbish in the way
08:33<XayOn>Slurb, I also recomend others to upgrade, but i don't do it myself ;-)
08:33<Slurb>get lenny to an upgrade to get the newest lenny then change sources.list and upgrade to squeeze
08:34<kmonk>what's wrong with the testing netinst?
08:34<kmonk>squeeze netinst
08:34<Slurb>its testing
08:35<XayOn>Slurb, that sounds logic... testing netinst is testing...
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08:36<kmonk>i couldn't get it to install to ext4 so i had to debootstrap testing from a live disc, chroot a modded kernel into the installation then modify all the settings manually
08:36<Hans_Henrik>installing debian, and it ask me what "kernel to install", should i take the 2.6-486? or the 2.6-686? or the 2.6.26-2-286? or 2.6.26-2-686? (using lintel Pentium 3, MMX/SSE only, and i asked this question yesterday but forgot :p)
08:36<adb>dpkg: tell kmonk -about kmuto
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08:37<kmonk>oh wow, that's priceless thanks man
08:37<adb>Hans_Henrik: 2.6.26-2-686
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08:45<Slurb>i have to build my own kernel anyway
08:45<Slurb>need ath9k module in case i ever need wifi
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08:45<Slurb>and its disabled in the debian kernels
08:46<loudergood_>only the kernels in stable
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08:47<Slurb>i use newer than sid usually
08:47<Slurb>the newest stable from kernel .org
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08:48<XayOn>just noticed i've installed 686 debian, it's not my day...
08:48<Slurb>xayon i know how you feel
08:48<XayOn>(amd64 machine here, and with 386, ati drivers just let system unusable)
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08:49<Slurb>i have amd64 too
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08:49<gsimmons>Slurb: Hmmm? ath9k has been enabled in Debian kernel images since 2.6.28.
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08:49<Slurb>686 should run fine on a amd64 just half processor
08:50<Slurb>gsimmons: ath5k maybe not ath9k
08:50<ml|>half processor?
08:50<XayOn>Slurb, hould, but ati drivers for my card were breacking my system when installing 686 system last time i checked
08:50<Slurb>i copy my .config over from the stock kernel and have to add support for ath9k and my bluetooth usb dongle
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08:51<Slurb>as well as change the latency and the timing
08:51<Slurb>cuz im a desktop not a server
08:53<Slurb>ml|: the 32 bit doesnt find the second processor i was told
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08:54<valdyn>Slurb: it will find the second processor
08:54<valdyn>Slurb: the -486 kernel wont, the -686 kernel will
08:54<ml|>Slurb: that's wrong, use i386 with amd64 works fine
08:55<Slurb>then whats the 64bit advantage
08:55<valdyn>Slurb: nothing per se
08:55<ml|>!why amd64
08:55<dpkg>The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. At the time, Intel wanted nothing to do with it and developed IA64 instead. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See
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08:56<ml|>oops that's not helpful, sorry
08:56<valdyn>ia64 is much older than amd64
08:57<valdyn>dpkg: "why amd64" =~ s/At the time, Intel wanted nothing to do with it and developed IA64 instead. //
08:57<dpkg>valdyn: i didn't have anything called '"why amd64"' to modify
08:57<valdyn>dpkg: why amd64 =~ s/At the time, Intel wanted nothing to do with it and developed IA64 instead. //
08:57<dpkg>valdyn: OK
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08:58<ml|>Slurb: if you plan to use more than 3.4gb memory and 64bit apps that take advantage of that etc...
08:58<Slurb>i have 6gig ram
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08:58<Slurb>im happy with 64bit
08:59<Slurb>never use it all though
08:59<dr|z3d>Slurb: You'd be less happy with 32bit ;)
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09:00<Slurb>i know. id feel like a porn star who's name was "bigger than most asians" if i ran 32bit
09:00<digle>also, 64bit programs get to use twice as many registers
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09:01<valdyn>digle: no
09:01<digle>valdyn: ?
09:02<Slurb>aliceinwire: use aptitude and when it asks you a question type "+gtk-sharp2-examples gtk-sharp2-gapi libglib2.0-cil libgtk2.0-cil libglade2.0-cil
09:02<Slurb>without the quote
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09:03<hever>iceweasel 3.5 should be on "deb experimental main" but I can't find it there... what do I miss ?
09:03<digle>valdyn: "In addition to increasing the size of the general-purpose registers, the number of named general-purpose registers is increased from eight in x86-32 to 16. It is therefore possible to keep more local variables in registers rather than on the stack, and to let registers hold frequently accessed constants; arguments for small and fast subroutines may also be passed in registers to a greater
09:04<ml|>hever: aptitude update first?
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09:04<hever>ml|, sure ;)
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09:05<valdyn>digle: 'general purpose'
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09:05<ml|>hever: how are you trying to install it?
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09:06<digle>valdyn: I still don't understand what you're getting at. The number of sse registers is also doubled.
09:06<hever>synaptics but using apt-show I see a 3.5 seems to exist.
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09:07<digle>hever: it's in experimental
09:08<Slurb>synaptic wont install experimental without telling it to look there first
09:08<ml|>hever: dunno how to do it synaptics, but with aptitude just do aptitude update && aptitude install -t experimental iceweasel
09:08<hever>and apt ?
09:09<ml|>use aptitude
09:09<hever>ok got it with synaptic just one click...
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09:10<narcan>hever: seems to be the same options under apt-get
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09:11<narcan>but don't forget apt is deprecated
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09:13<diocles>I don't think it is, somehow. :)
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09:13<ml|>apt is not deprecated, but i find it best to use aptitude it's your choice tho, plenty of people here use and prefer apt-get
09:14<Slurb>apt isnt deprecated apt-get is
09:14<hever>it is? It's no longer developed? aptitude is to automatically in my opinion and I don't like its UI. I prefer a real GUI or Shell.
09:14<narcan>Slurb: yes you are right
09:14<Slurb>synaptic is good
09:14<valdyn>iirc ubuntu still prefers apt-get and it is being improved
09:14<bremner>hever: you know you can use aptitude install blah
09:15<valdyn>..which naturally benefits debians apt-get too
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09:15<hever>but it does some auto suggestions etc....
09:15<hever>I'll try it again... ;
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09:18<Bernd__amd64>anyone good with grub ?
09:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:19<Bernd__amd64>sure ... how can i hide specific drive durring boot ?
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09:20<Bernd__amd64>no bios isn´t the solution
09:20<diocles>Bernd__amd64: Hide a specific drive? How do you mean?
09:20<Slurb>oh you need it later
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09:20<Bernd__amd64>let me explain
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09:22<Bernd__amd64>4 drives ... one is with debian and grub ... others just data and so on ... but some times there are only 2 or 3 drives ... so how can i tell grub to boot from the debian one
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09:22<diocles>Sometimes there are only 2 or 3 drives - so you remove them from the machine?
09:23<Bernd__amd64>sure ... usb esata
09:23<narcan>Bernd__amd64: chainloader +1 ?
09:23<valdyn>Bernd__amd64: grub boots bios drives
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09:23<valdyn>Bernd__amd64: it cant really do anything else
09:24<valdyn>Bernd__amd64: grub2 can do some more fancy things
09:24<narcan>Bernd__amd64: you say " one is with debian and grub'
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09:24<Bernd__amd64>currently i have to unplug all the other drives ... boot into debian and plug them back in ... that suxx
09:24<diocles>grub can use disk uuids.
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09:25<Slurb>i use grub2
09:25<valdyn>Bernd__amd64: some bioses have an option boot menu
09:25<valdyn>Bernd__amd64: *optional*
09:26<valdyn>Bernd__amd64: and you can just make the debian disk the first one in your bios
09:26<diocles>Bernd__amd64: With the other drives in the machine, does grub actually start?
09:26<Bernd__amd64>the problem is not to boot the drive ,,, but grub looks at the wron drive for the root
09:26<valdyn>Bernd__amd64: adding and removing disks would not change that
09:26<valdyn>Bernd__amd64: grub?
09:27<valdyn>Bernd__amd64: if you set your debian disk to the first one in the bios, then its hd0 for group, no matter if you plug in anything else
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09:28<Bernd__amd64>but when i plug in my usb.stick or external drive it stops with ... not root
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09:28<valdyn>Bernd__amd64: thats a bios setting
09:28<digle>use the root= grub param
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09:28<suspectx>*not sure, but probably its legacy usb support in bios which causes that
09:28<Bernd__amd64>bios settings don´t solve the problem !
09:28<valdyn>Bernd__amd64: sure does
09:29<Bernd__amd64>what about that uuids ?
09:29<diocles>Bernd__amd64: See
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09:29<Bernd__amd64>ohhh looks good ...
09:29<ml|>or you can also use labels
09:30<valdyn>thats about grub2
09:30<Bernd__amd64>THANKS diocles ... i will give a try soon after finished my other work an give you a feedback
09:30<diocles>Yeah, grub2. But grub-legacy is oold. :)
09:31<valdyn>I use grub2, but i wouldnt recommend it yet, debians grub2 is fragile at best
09:31<diocles>Works for me.
09:31<Bernd__amd64>they would recommend grub2
09:31<Slurb>and me
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09:31<diocles>Bug reports welcome. :)
09:32<jlouis>I ran grub-legacy until recently
09:32<ml|>uuid's work in grub
09:32<jlouis>Someone choose to deprecate it :)
09:32<XayOn>Slurb, you know, it's not my day, finally installed lenny-amd64 willing to install squeeze-amd64 =/, it starts to worry me, I might be loosing my mind
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09:33<XayOn>However, I've just installed 155 packages, it won't be so hard to update them =D
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09:35<jlouis>I like running sid :)
09:35<Slurb>xayon i would stick with lenny
09:35<Slurb>and backports
09:35<Slurb>and i alien in some games that only have installers
09:36<Slurb>and wine
09:36<jlouis>Lenny and backports is a good thing for production
09:36<XayOn>Slurb, I like more testing for my laptop.
09:36<XayOn>jlouis, that's it.
09:36<Slurb>what do you need from testing?
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09:37<XayOn>Slurb, my laptop has some strange hardware.
09:37<Slurb>xayon thats just the kernel
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09:37<XayOn>Slurb, ¿?
09:37<ml|>you can use bpo kernel
09:37<Slurb>get lenny and then grab the newest kernel source from and make your debs
09:38<XayOn>Slurb, alsa too. However, I've said it, I just prefer testing, it hasn't got to be for any reason.
09:38<Slurb>i think you think you are losing out with stable
09:38<Slurb>you need to lose that thought
09:38<XayOn>Slurb, losing out?
09:38<Slurb>losing out on the next new thing
09:39<XayOn>Slurb, I don't think so...
09:39<Slurb>there is no need to run testing unless you need to for specific software
09:40<Slurb>hardware is all controlled by the kernel and it is fairly easy to install a new kernel
09:40<XayOn>Slurb, I don't say I have any need. Please, I said I want testing, stop questioning that. I said already it's not for any reason.
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09:40<XayOn>debian is about freedom, I've the freedom to choose testing, as I've done.
09:40<XayOn>Final dot.
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09:42<vobian>привет всем
09:42<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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09:43<binarymutant>can I get a kernel panic without being displayed "kernel panic"?
09:43<diocles>Hmm, that should use cyrillic script.
09:44<diocles>binarymutant: Sometimes, if it's panicking very hard, the display won't be updated.
09:44<jlouis>binarymutant: yes, if for instance you are in X and its driver controls the graphics card while the kernel panics
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09:45<binarymutant>I'm just trying to boot after adding a matrox video card and it just will not boot any kernel now, init_thread_xstate is the last thing I see :(
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09:48<diocles>binarymutant: How far in the boot does it get? Is X trying to start?
09:48<Slurb>let x load the module
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09:48<Slurb>see if that helps
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09:49<binarymutant>diocles, right after grub it fails with the card in
09:50<diocles>Well, that's a difficult problem.
09:50<diocles>binarymutant: Is grub trying to enable any special graphics modes (like a framebuffer)?
09:50<Slurb>binarymutant: is it a regular pci card?
09:51<ml|>binarymutant: what kernel are you using?
09:51<Slurb>binarymutant: if its a pci card try swapping it with another slot...ive had problems putting a wifi card in the slot directly next to a vid card
09:52<Slurb>caused panick for some reason...maybe scan order or something
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10:00<binarymutant>I'll try it with 2.6.30 that might help
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10:01<ml|>binarymutant: yes, try that from bpo if on stable
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10:07<marcel_>hello =)
10:07<Slurb>hello marcel_
10:08<binarymutant>::throws the video card out the window:: oh well thanks for the help :/
10:08<Slurb>binarymutant: hold on
10:08<Slurb>try with it as the only hardware on the board
10:08<binarymutant>it is :/
10:08<Slurb>and it boots without it?
10:09<ml|>binarymutant: are you sure that card works?
10:09<binarymutant>It might not work ya ^
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10:09<binarymutant>I was told it does but I guess I really have no way of checking
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10:10<marcel_>whats the problem? no vga connection?
10:10<binarymutant>srry I can see the errors so I guess it works
10:10<ml|>well it's an old card right? so it might not
10:10<binarymutant>marcel_, it just panics my kernel
10:11<enouf>recompile your kernel, and turn off the panic messages :-p
10:11<binarymutant>lol, I'll just go back to headless
10:11<ml|>enouf: :P
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10:11<enouf>although, i think, there's a sysctl or /proc file .. oh wait, that's for ooops's :-P
10:11<Slurb>you may have to uninstall previous modules from the /etc/modules
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10:12<marcel_>binarymutant: headless is always good ;x but playing around with X is fun too
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10:12<enouf>binarymutant: i can give you a command that should lock you up so tight, you can do nothing but pull the ATX out of wall :-P
10:12<marcel_>binarymutant: but if its a old card it should, most of the time work out-of-the-box
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10:13*enouf always accidentally creates these things when attempting something useful .. and i crash myself
10:13*enouf can break anything :-p
10:13<enouf>ml|: just think of these 3 things; a) modprobe
10:14<marcel_>enouf: giev a command to make a headless rootless debian machine crash xd
10:14<enouf>b) the -a option and c) the -r option
10:14<enouf>ml|: now, do the math :-P!
10:14<enouf>marcel_: there ya go - look up
10:15<enouf>ml|: i was _trying_ to nicely -r the many useless raid loaded modules, in one go
10:16<ml|>didn't workout like you had hoped huh ;)
10:16<enouf>ml|: see if this one atleast locks you so you have to drop to TTY at the least, login as root, and pkill/kill/killall the PID(s) -- ready? apt-rdepends|sort|uniq|cut -d: -f1
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10:17<enouf>er add a <pkgname> in there
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10:17<enouf>ml|: it works fine! ...when adding modules! ;-)
10:17<enouf>ml|: er "inserting" i should say
10:18<ml|>enouf: sure does ;)
10:18<enouf>(obviously -r isn't used then though)
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10:21<EmleyMoor>Anyone any ideas on how to play .rol files on Debian? adplay (a) can't access plughw:0 (b) doesn't recognise them anyway, and audacious produces low rumbly sounds nothing like the tune...
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10:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
10:36<Guest429>sorry folks-that was meant to be a command-not a plee lol
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10:38<Guest429>actually its the first time i have logged into an IRC server-like i said i - maybe i meant "slash-help" i'll try that now
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10:41<Guest429>thanks for the advice btw - actually @/help@ doesnt work in mt client (irssi) lol
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10:41<marcel_>Guest429: check i believe there is the nice doc on there
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10:43<Guest429>thank you i have bee reading a howto: , from a link in the debian wiki--very informative also
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10:45<Slurb> /help works
10:45<Guest429>in irssi? :-)
10:45<Slurb> type /help
10:45<Slurb>or /help command
10:46<Guest429>you are very right :-) - it does
10:46<Slurb>irssi rocks
10:46<Vicci-27>Guest429, Xchat is easyer
10:46<Slurb>irssi is easier i think
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10:47<Guest429>i have never used a irc client to compare-but it seems great-a recomendation froma friend
10:47<Slurb>once you get it set up its nicer than any other imho
10:48<Guest429>i will spend some time playing with it:-)
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10:49<digle>EmleyMoor: did you look into xmp-audacious or adplug-utils?
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10:49<Guest429>hey, i was trying to lurk here too lol, ( i.e i mistyped /help - Doh! lol )
10:50<Slurb>this is a good channel to learn from if you run debian
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10:50<EmleyMoor>digle: Yes
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10:50<EmleyMoor>xmp-audacious did as I said
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10:51<EmleyMoor>The only aeplug util is nothing to do with it
10:51<Guest429>yea i have debian lenny - new to Linux & irc - i will lurk under my own nickname next time i suppose
10:52<Slurb>guest type /set and it will display the things you can set
10:52<Slurb>like a nick
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10:52<Guest429>k :)
10:52<Slurb> /set nick "nickname"
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10:53<Slurb>and it will be your nick automatically when you log in
10:54<Slurb>try /nick "nickname first to make sure its available
10:54<Guest429>right i supose i gotta name myself ("envyless"-fingerscrossed thats free:-)
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10:55<digle>EmleyMoor: what about xmms-adplug in etch
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10:55<EmleyMoor>digle: I'm on lenny#
10:55<Guest429>Ta Da! ?? :-S
10:56<Guest429>oh the embarissment (again lol)
10:56<xayon_>Guest429: jajaja
10:56<Slurb> /set nick to set it /nick to change it live
10:57<Guest429>oic k :-)
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10:57<digle>yeah, but when the circumstances are dire, you could make it work, like compiling from source
10:57<Slurb>and i would suggest registering it so noone steals it
10:57<envyless>thats better thanks :-)
10:58<Slurb> /msg nickserv help register i think
10:58<XayOn>Um, I'm twice, one for each pc. I'll close this one.
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10:58<XayOn>And sorry for the noise
10:58<envyless>i'll try now
10:58<digle>looks like xmms was phased out, you'd have to compile the whole thing
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11:02<envyless>i'll be back - i hope - thanks for your kind help :-)
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11:03<envyless>( typo hell today lol )
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11:09<etpace>Hey guys, I've just installed lenny, How do I check the version of something I'm going to install? I want to install python, but I'm unsure of whether sudo aptitude install python is 2.5 or 2.6
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11:11<chealer>etpace: do you have synaptic?
11:11<sney>etpace: aptitude show
11:11<etpace>don't think so chealer
11:12<sney>just aptitude show python
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11:12<sney>it'll do exactly what you're asking
11:12<Slurb>just type aptitude and use the menu
11:12<etpace>Ok, it's 2.5, but aptitude install python2.6 doesn't have any -- should I add some other sources?
11:12<ml|>or use apt-show-versions
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11:13<chealer>sney: if you have Synaptic, that will be trivial. I believe aptitude is somewhat intuitive too. otherwise, $ apt-cache depends python
11:13<chealer>etpace: doesn't have what?
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11:13<chealer>sney: sorry
11:13<chealer>etpace: if you have Synaptic, that will be trivial. I believe aptitude is somewhat intuitive too. otherwise, $ apt-cache depends python
11:13*sney shrug
11:13<diocles>etpace: python 2.6 is in experimental. (rmadison python2.6 will tell you)
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11:14<Slurb>maybe not
11:15<sney>there may be a backport, and there's always the option of building it yourself
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11:15<etpace>ok, thanks
11:15<ml|>judd versions python
11:15<judd>ml|: python -- etch: 2.4.4-2 lenny: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.4-2 squeeze: 2.5.4-2 experimental: 2.5.4-3
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11:18<etpace>hmm it looks like 'll have to build it myself, as it depends on things that arn't in experimental
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11:19<diocles>etpace: Really? experimental isn't self-contained, so you need unstable packages too...
11:19<diocles>If it doesn't build it's a bug.
11:19<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
11:20<etpace>python2.6 is the stable release though, it just requires sqlite3-0, but the version in experimental isnt sufficient
11:20<etpace>I'm not quite sure if I'm class as knowing what I'm doing
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11:22<ml|>etpace: experimental does not even have 2.6 so if you really want that version looks like you will need to do it yourself
11:22<diocles>It does have 2.6, but judd was reporting the version of the 'python' package.
11:23*sney wonders why he needs to have 2.6 in the first place
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11:23<sney>not much can depend on it yet, I'd imagine
11:23<ml|>what is the name of the package then?
11:24<diocles>etpace: Oh right, are you attempting to build python from something that's not a Debian package?
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11:28<ml|>ah thought it was python-2.6, it is in experimental and it should install, but that is not recommended
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11:29<diocles>Yeah, looks to me like it should build. apt-get build-dep python2.6 doesn't complain.
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11:29<Slurb>id say build it
11:30<Slurb>taking packages from another repo is dangerous
11:30<diocles>Everyone is far too keen to compile stuff. :)
11:31<Slurb>its like building a program on windows xp and trying to run it on me
11:32<diocles>The experimental repositories aren't third-party, though. And the packages there should generally be fine on unstable.
11:32<diocles>But #debian isn't meant to offer support for it. :(
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11:33<Slurb>im saying putting sid or squeeze debs on a lenny is more dangerous than compiling from source
11:34<diocles>Slurb: In fact, dpkg's dependency system should keep everything fine. So long as you don't force anything..
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11:34<diocles>For architecture-indepent packages there shouldn't be a problem, but for arch-dep ones a backport might be prefereable.
11:34<ml|>really should not use experimental, but if you really want it and can support yourself and using unstable, maybe even testing ....
11:34<Redirect_Left>Hi, I got told you guys might be able to help me with something?
11:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:35<Redirect_Left>I'll ask somewhere else not full of elitists.
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11:35<slush>bye :)
11:35<Slurb>go right
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11:35<ml|>what all i said was ask jeezz
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11:35<slush>its all your fault ml| :p
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11:38<Zathras_>Hi. I am trying to get SASL/PAM/CyrusIMAP/MySQL working. I get SASL(-1) generic errors (/var/log/auth). It feels like the wrong user is used for authing. What is the best way to backup
11:38<Slurb>i think they had their mind made up before they came
11:39<ml|>Slurb: yes, maybe take the time to read what dpkg said first, but oh well
11:39<diocles>Zathras_: debug saslauthd?
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11:39<Zathras_>badlogin: localhost [] plainte
11:39<Zathras_>xt cyrus SASL(-1): generic failure: checkpass failed
11:40<Zathras_>debug the config/session
11:41<Zathras_>I *think* when I do a "cyradm --user cyrus --auth login --server localhost" it should try to use credentials of user postfix and not cyrus
11:41<Zathras_>however it tries cyrus
11:42<diocles>Zathras_: See the last bit of /usr/share/doc/sasl2-bin/README.Debian.gz I think.
11:42<diocles>Run saslauthd in debug mode, then you'll see what's going on, perhaps.
11:43<diocles>There are instructions in that file for postfix, which are pretty good.
11:43<diocles>Erm, but possibly nothing to do with what you're doing. :)
11:43<Zathras_>I followed a howto which was a rewrite of one that worked for me before and checked it a zillion times :-(
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11:44<Zathras_>I tried the older one (in English) before
11:44<Zathras_>checking the readme now. ty
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11:46<diocles>Maybe things have changed since etch.
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11:47<Zathras_>the spanish version is for Lenny iirc. I don't speak spanish but it seems not that hard to follow with the english version at hand
11:48<Zathras_>hmm. When issuing the test login the saslauthd does not produce any output
11:48<Zathras_>(with debug on)
11:49<diocles>The one you linked to is based on etch.. and mentions rebuilding libpam-mysql, wow. :)
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11:51<diocles>Zathras_: You might need to restart/configure cyrus to point to the saslauthd you just started.
11:52<Zathras_>I *think* I did that
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11:52<Zathras_>but also feel like the daemons are not "following the route" I planned
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11:55<diocles>I'm afraid I have to go watch the DPL speaking, but I'll be back. Maybe someone else can help further.
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11:57<Slurb>theres a kernel bug with alsa
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11:58<etpace> is the problem, is it possible to build the newer versions via aptitude or must it be done manually?
11:58<Slurb>with the newest stable kernel
12:00<diocles>Oh wait, we have wireless.
12:00<diocles>etpace: Er, yeah, experimental depends on /unstable/. experimental and stable won't mix that well.
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12:01<diocles>etpace: You would have to wait for a backport, or upgrade to unstable. The backport wouldn't happen until python2.6 reached testing, however... but you could do your own, perhaps.
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12:02<Slurb>i forgot i had to recompile alsa
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12:03<ml|>best not to tell people to use unstable, it's not supported here
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12:03<diocles>I thought that was experimental.
12:05<dpkg>well, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
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12:06<dpkg>[unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
12:06<etpace>Hmm, ok thanks -- i've got python2.6 working now
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12:12<etpace>Sorry for the noob questions but: what does the << 2.6 mean next to python? When I aptitude installed apache2 and so on -- it tried to install pytohn2.5, while not really a problem, I don't want mod_wsgi to use 2.5 and it seems from the wiki that to specify a python installation out of multiple, It needs to be supplied to the ./configure
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12:14<taiyedbrodel>it means that it needs a version of python older than 2.6
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12:14<taiyedbrodel>2.4 or newer, but not 2.6
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12:19<Gothian>Slurb, Hello !!!..... guess what?, I turned my PC on today and the wireless doesn't work :( thank the cookie monter I have my eth0 as backup
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12:20<Bernd__amd64>how can i get uuid of my harddisk ?
12:20<Zathras_>diocles, libpam-mysql is the same for etch and lenny.
12:20<Gothian>Slurb, It timed out searching for the DHCP server
12:20<Bernd__amd64>vol_id doesn´t work
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12:20<barnes>im doing a custom kernel but it dosent build with initrd
12:22<Slurb>gotta restart bbl
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12:26<Hans_Henrik>"you appear to be running an X server; please exit X before installing.~~ what does that mean?
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12:26<Bernd__amd64>can I use UUID in grub when i use root in LVM ?
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12:27<Bernd__amd64>Hans_Henrik, that your Xserver is running ^^
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12:27<Hans_Henrik>what the heck is an "Xserver"?
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12:28<chealer>Hans_Henrik: if you don't mind, what's saying that?
12:28<Bernd__amd64>o.O your graphical interface
12:28<Hans_Henrik>Nvidia installer
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12:28<Hans_Henrik>driver installer
12:28<chealer>Hans_Henrik: ask Wikipedia
12:28<Bernd__amd64>/etc/init.d/gdm stop
12:28<Bernd__amd64>as root
12:28<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
12:29<chealer>Hans_Henrik: it means you're doing it the wrong way
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12:29<chealer>!tell Hans_Henrik about nvidia-installer
12:30<magyar>hi, what is the best way to mount USB attached harddrives on a server system? (no X)
12:31<suspectx>mount ;) type "dmesg" to see the name like /dev/sdXn and do a mount /dev/sdXn /mount/point
12:33<magyar>suspectx: k, what about when the system reboots?
12:33<magyar>power outage
12:33<suspectx>magyar: see /etc/fstab and create a new line there
12:33<enouf>Bernd__amd64: just keep /boot off of LVM with grub1 and use a debian kernel
12:33<magyar>k, what about if the drive is not plugged in and the system reboots?
12:33<suspectx>well, dont use usb hdd on a "server" anyway ;)
12:34<suspectx>magyar: add the "noauto,user" options to the line so anyone can mount the device manually
12:34<enouf>magyar: best way? pmount, and/or write a udev rule
12:34<suspectx>enouf: new-sch0lar ;) *runsaway*
12:36<Bernd__amd64>enouf, i use luks and lvm ... so i need to tell grub wich drive is the root by uuid ...
12:36<Bernd__amd64>blkid gives me the uuid of root ... should i use this in grub ?
12:37<Bernd__amd64>because it´s encrypted an I mean it will be decrypt after grub ...
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12:37<magyar>enouf: I don;t really want to mount it as a "normal user", usbmount, is a perfect solution except when a reboot occures
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12:49<dpkg>giovino: VATTENE VIA
12:50<giovino>che si fa qui??
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12:58<Bernd__amd64>is there any way to replaye this line "root (hd1,0)" in grub with an uuid ?
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13:00<bzed>Bernd__amd64: for root - no, but something like root=UUID=fccafcc7-d7cc-4594-9459-a8f0db7b9f7f for kopt works
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13:01<Bernd__amd64>but if "root isn´t (hd1,0)" i get an error
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13:02<bzed>Bernd__amd64: don't change it
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13:02<Bernd__amd64>but my drive is not always hd1
13:02<Bernd__amd64>because of many portable drives
13:02<etpace>Hmm ok -- it seems that I'm unable to ssh into my slice anymore, putty says "connection refused", I'm on an ajax terminal now: iptables -L has policy ACCEPT, and sshd_config has the correct Port, any ideas?
13:02<bzed>Bernd__amd64: set a useful order in the bios then
13:02<Gothian>Anyone would help me with my wlan0 "DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval..."
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13:04<Bernd__amd64>bios order doesn´t work because when i unplug drive and boot system first found drive will be the first one ... next reboot with usb-stick stick will be fisrt one ..
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13:04<sasdl>hi, i've submitted a few bugs in the last couple of days but havn't seen and confirmation sent to my email account like i thought was the standard. does anyone know what i should expect in that case. there's one particularly important one that i'd love to see a response is the reason
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13:05<olasd>sasdl: do the bugs in question appear in the BTS ?
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13:05<sasdl>let me check
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13:07<enouf>Bernd__amd64: your BIOS stinks - stop wasting your $$$ on crap
13:08<Bernd__amd64>DFI - crap ? o.O
13:08<enouf>Bernd__amd64: but .. that said - there's no way offhand that i know of to achieve what is basically a veritable "musical chairs" with HDDs .. you need some sort of pre-Env, i guess
13:08<sasdl>ok, getting a message to check that page's specific page and "Package Tracking System"
13:08<enouf>you want the BIOS to act like udev does
13:09<enouf>now, that said, see what grub2 might be able to do - or try other bootloaders
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13:10<olasd>sasdl: so it seems your bugs weren't submitted. are you sure the mails left your computer?
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13:11<enouf>Bernd__amd64: most motherboards are designed for one corp
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13:11<enouf>we all know whom that is
13:11<sasdl>olasd: i can't see the bug listed at all
13:11<enouf>Bernd__amd64: see if you can get a LinuxBIOS/OpenBIOS compat board
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13:11<enouf>(not that it alone will solve your issues)
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13:13<Bernd__amd64>enouf, :( it really suxx to unplug every device before boot.... so i hope it could be easy to setup like multiboot (linux/winblows)
13:13<enouf>Bernd__amd64: but - _that said_ EVEN MY PENTIUMII mainboard has a separate Boot Loader (Interface) order menu - apart from the Boot Device order one
13:13<chealer>sasdl: acknowledgements are sent by the BTS. if you didn't get one after that time, there's a problem
13:14<sasdl>does reportbug keep some sort of listing of bugs created that i can check on locally?
13:14<Bernd__amd64>it´s not the problem to tell the "bios" from wich drive it have to boot ... workse fine ...
13:14<enouf>Bernd__amd64: i can set the order with which $DEVICE_TYPE or $LOCAL_BUS to scan .. in which order
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13:14<enouf>now you're dead wrong
13:15<olasd>sasdl: you could check your /var/log/mail.log, see if the mails left your computer
13:16<ottoshmidt>is it possible to set custom keyboard shortcut for starting an application? I know Alt+F2 but for long names it's a little bit unhandy, like gnome-system-monitor
13:16<sasdl>all of the mail.* files in that directory are completely empty
13:16<Bernd__amd64>you can add system monitor to your bar
13:17<sarrafo>is to recover a corrupted system?
13:17<enouf>Bernd__amd64: i can tell it; Check in this order 1) PCI Controller Card 2) Network Boot 3) HDD (and have a few to choose from as 3a, 3b, 3c ..) 4) Removable devices -- and i can Shuffle that order too
13:17<Bernd__amd64>ottoshmidt, also have a look at xbindkeys
13:17<ottoshmidt>Bernd__amd64, aha I did that
13:17<ottoshmidt>ok thanks
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13:19<enouf>Bernd__amd64: if your $500 mainboard can't be told to check on USB Controller #2 as (say) "4th" in the boot order - then something is really really wrong
13:19<olasd>sasdl: what is your mta ?
13:19<olasd>hm, if it's exim, logfiles are in /var/log/exim4
13:19<sasdl>olasd: mta?
13:20<chealer>ottoshmidt: yes
13:20<olasd>sasdl: mail transfer agent, the thing sending mails out of your computer
13:20<olasd>by default it's exim4
13:20<olasd>check the files inside /var/log/exim4
13:20<Bernd__amd64>enouf, i can also choose wich kind of device order and than wich drive order ...
13:20<enouf>Bernd__amd64: "it really suxx to unplug every device before boot...." think of something like a Docking Station or a Hub or something. .. or go all Proprietary and use their shit
13:21<sasdl>olasd: it'll be exim4 then i guess...
13:21<sasdl>olasd: how can i check that? is it a service?
13:21<Bernd__amd64>enouf, is there a way to hide drives so grub only see the drive wich contains the root ?
13:21<enouf>and boot everything over/through/controlled from their (centralized) proprietary DMI-ish interface
13:22<enouf>you can use map option in grub1 at least
13:22<enouf>to swap orders
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13:22<olasd>sasdl: yes it is
13:23<sasdl>olasd: ok, checked and exim4 is started
13:24<enouf> Bernd__amd64
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13:25<olasd>sasdl: so you can figure out whether the mails left using the logfiles in /var/log/exim4
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13:25<enouf>Bernd__amd64: and ... in your most recent Question; Suppose you have multiple Linuxes installed on several HDDs - you have more than _one_ root -- how is that helpful to even resolve your issue?
13:26<enouf>Bernd__amd64: some of us have many '/' on 1 HDD even .. heh
13:26<valdyn>hes still at it?
13:26<enouf>valdyn: i know the type ... heh ... just felt like speakin up ;-)
13:28<sasdl>olasd : there's a few "Frozen (delivery error message)" messages
13:28<enouf>valdyn: isn't it funny though how my OEM p2 BIOS from like 1932 can out-do the latest and greatest of the "Designed for Redmond OS" ... hehe
13:28<valdyn>enouf: thats so typical
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13:30<Bernd__amd64>map also doesn´t help because it´s static ... so if one drive is unpluged ... order will be wrong
13:30<sasdl>olasd : and they're directly after the reportbug items...
13:30<enouf>Bernd__amd64: and so will be gone that grub config file that contains that info
13:31<enouf>Bernd__amd64: if the file resides solely on the HDD that's NOT being plugged, how can it affect anything?
13:31<olasd>sasdl: doesn't smell very good. You can run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config to make sure the config is okay
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13:31<olasd>you'll certainly have to configure your isp's smtp server to be able to send mail
13:32<enouf>Bernd__amd64: my question is - why on earth are you booting so friggin often!!??? ;-)
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13:33<enouf>Bernd__amd64: use some other OS for that crap --- Linux/Unices/BSDs are designed for Infrastructure ;-)
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13:33<enouf>which _must_ always be online - heh
13:33<Bernd__amd64>nope .... i luv my debian ... but I have to use that ugly other OS for some games
13:34<Bernd__amd64>i will make you a graphic wich explain my prob ... enouf
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13:35<sasdl>sasdl: ok, there's some other problems i noticed with it too. just took a look at an mail item for a local account and there's stuff in there with my routers default domain naim in there. witch brings me back to a problem i was working on yesterday - my resolve.conf keeps getting overwritten. was told about some file where i could add in a "prefix" to the auto stuff, which allowed me to get the nameserver lines in there, but
13:35<sasdl>still has the domain in there which is wrong. any idea on that one? (about the exim4 stuff. i can start looking at that now)
13:36<enouf>Bernd__amd64: you cannot have 2 separate machines?
13:37<enouf>Bernd__amd64: or atleast make that other one ...the Slave ;-)
13:37<Bernd__amd64>i have 4 !
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13:37<enouf>well, stop rebooting Debian please
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13:37<Bernd__amd64>but only that one here is the moste powerfull
13:38<Bernd__amd64>"well, stop rebooting Debian please" -> I luv u ... u r funny
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13:39<enouf>yeah ... i'm not a dirty old bitter man ... ....yet@!
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13:39*enouf is working real hard at it though :-p
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13:43<enouf>sasdl: /msg dpkg fixresolv.conf
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13:44<dpkg>To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
13:44<enouf>sasdl: ^^^
13:45<enouf>heh, i bet the 'ugly' way is to place the immutable xattr bit onto the file :-P
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13:48<sasdl>thanks enouf : i'm looking through it now
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13:50<vaib>I have a desktop and a laptop, i don't want to update 2 times from mirrors. I tried to look at apt-cacher-ng and apt-proxy but they use separate cache than apt's cache. Can somebody help ?
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13:51<enouf>sasdl: aye - also man update-exim4<TAB><TAB> and (just note) 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' - and /usr/share/doc/exim4* should have tons of info -- too much it might seem ;-)
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13:51<enouf>sasdl: or install the accompanying exim4*doc pkg{s} if they aren't there
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13:53<vaib>should i point both machine's source files to apt-cache-ng/apt-proxy server ?
13:53<enouf>vaib: how would one '/' FS know what the other one is doing/done? .. or better, how both pkg managers would know
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13:54<enouf>vaib: sure, you can centrally locate your mirror
13:55<Bernd__amd64>enouf, still there ?
13:55<vaib>i meant I have this config currently, desktop_source:deb_mirror, desktop runs cacher, laptops_mirror:desktop_cacher , but this config does download 2 times
13:56<Bernd__amd64>enouf, look at this ... hope that helps to understand what i mean ...
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13:57<vaib>i suppose i would need to keep desktop_mirror:desktop_cacher, i was interested to know how other people deal with it
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13:59<vaib>but even if I do that way i would have 2 copies in my desktop ... apt copy and cacher copy, some space wastage
14:00<Bimbo>Hi I'm a beginner with the debian system. Actually I have the problem to mount a usb-stick. I use the stick on different systems: Windows, Linux. So there is no really clarify for what I the usb-stick really use.
14:01<Bimbo>mount /dev/sda /mnt doesn't work
14:01<sasdl>enouf : ok, have updated /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf with the correct prepend's. What's the correct service restart - ? networking ?
14:01<Bimbo>also not mount -t vfat ... I thought because I use the stick also in windows systems
14:02<vaib>Bimbo, most probably sda would be first drive which is HDD, you can make sure by "fdisk -l" what is the correct device
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14:12<etpace>I'm unable to ssh in at the moment, it has Port 10022 in sshd_config, and nothing in hosts.deny -- any ideas?
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14:19<enouf>Bernd__amd64: i will look - thanks ... i'm a bit busy atm
14:20<enouf>i guess sasdl figured his question out
14:20<Bernd__amd64>enouf, ok I thank you ... call me if you are ready
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14:25<chealer>!tell etpace about any ideas
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14:26<enouf>Bernd__amd64: Easy -- either a) don't place Music as 2nd in line there - or b) (since it seems your BIOS sucks) just Disable the USB Controller (obviously use a _separate_ controller - as most new MoBos have atleast 2 now, if not more) that "Music" gets plugged into (heck, Blacklist the sucker if needs be) - then once you boot, enable it (load proper modules)
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14:26<enouf>Bernd__amd64: or C) do not boot from USB Key to start with
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14:27<enouf>Bernd__amd64: d) stop with the encryption - nobody wants your junk anyway
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14:28<enouf>s,d),C2), heh
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14:34<Bernd__amd64>C) i have to boot from usb D) n/c B) doesn´t work because have to boot from usb
14:34<snif>buenas tardes , alguien podria decirme ¿ cual es la diferencia entre las versiones i386 y amd en ubuntu ?
14:34<dpkg>English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope)
14:34<dpkg>from memory, language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a knoppix user joins. to the scientists language is god
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14:35<suspectx>nice one on language :)
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15:17<vilks_no_meza>ogo .. hi
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15:24<etpace>How can I upload files via sftp to a directory that apache uses? I currently dont have permission to create something in /var/www and chowning it to myself doesn't really help, as apache can't write to files there then
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15:26<suspectx>etpace: usually /var/www belongs to wwwrun or www-data or something like that
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15:26<suspectx>etpace: put the user into that group
15:26<suspectx>usermod -aG wwwrun USERNAME
15:26<suspectx>wwwrun could be www-data or whatever on your machine
15:28<suspectx>ls -la /var | grep www -> shows ownership
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15:29<etpace>thanks a lot
15:29<suspectx>np :)
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16:16<Achury>bon soir
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16:18<Achury>Help!!!! I need a grub expert
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16:19<Achury>After intall debian 5 RC2 grub dont works I cant boot
16:19<Achury>error 17
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16:20<Achury>2 hard drives, IDE + SATA
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16:21<Slurb>you installed grub on the wrong disk
16:21<Slurb>remove the one with no grub and boot
16:21<Achury>OK, I'll try, thank you
16:22<rafael>guys, i need help, please. I have installed the Debian 5 here. But, i can't open video liken extension mpg, avi and atc. What can I do???
16:22<rafael>show the erro " you need MPEG-1 System Stream Demuxer."
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16:24<chealer>rafael: when doing what?
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16:26<rafael>sorry, i write wrong..
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16:26<rafael>would be "someone can help me?"
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16:33<lone_wolf>I just installed Debian Lenny, booted it up, and the resolution won't work with my monitor. So basically, I can't see my GUI.
16:33<resmo>i'd like to upgrade from etch to lenny but i get unmet dependencies
16:34<resmo> libsasl2: Depends: libsasl2-2 (= 2.1.22.dfsg1-8+etch1) but 2.1.22.dfsg1-23+lenny1 is to be installed.
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16:34<resmo>any hints?
16:34<resmo>libft-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.8.8 which is a virtual package.
16:35<chealer>!tell resmo about bat
16:36<valdyn>lone_wolf: quit X, run Xorg -configure > /etc/X11/xorg.conf, adjust the line with the resolutions if its there, or add a line
16:36<plugwash>resmo, what command are you trying to use to upgrade?
16:36<lone_wolf>I'll try it.
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16:36<resmo>plugwash: aptitude dist-upgrade
16:37<olet>did you do upgrade first?
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16:37<olet>did you update aptitude to be the one from lenny?
16:38<olet>which arch?
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16:39<resmo>so i update first, than dist-upgrade
16:39<craigevil>resmo: do /msg dpkg etch->lenny and follow the directions
16:39<Achury>Slurb: I removed IDE disk and continue with the same error on SATA disk
16:40<Achury>GRUB Loading, please wait
16:40<Achury>error 17
16:40<Achury>No menu, no more options
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16:41<Achury>what do you suggest? install again?
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16:42<lone_wolf>Just tried booting into single-user mode and editing my xorg.conf file, but I get an error saying my display can't be opened.
16:43<valdyn>lone_wolf: which command is producing that error?
16:43<lone_wolf>sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:43<valdyn>lone_wolf: gedit is a program for X
16:43<valdyn>lone_wolf: obviously it cannot run without X
16:44<lone_wolf>So how do I edit my xorg.conf file?
16:44<valdyn>lone_wolf: are you even running debian?
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16:44<lone_wolf>I said I just installed it, on Ubuntu right now.
16:45<valdyn>nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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16:46<Supaplex>!tell lone_wolf -about ubuntu
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16:49<lone_wolf>valdyn: Just ran 'nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf' and got an empty file.
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16:50<valdyn>lone_wolf: skipped running 'Xorg -configure > /etc/X11/xorg.conf' ?
16:51<lone_wolf>...Yeah, shit.
16:51<Supaplex>!tell lone_wolf -about ubuntu
16:51<lone_wolf>Supaplex: I already use Ubuntu, I just wanted to try Debian :P
16:51<Supaplex>ohhh. I was under the impression you were only using ubuntu.
16:52<Supaplex>it's about time you upgraded to the real thing. :)
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16:59<Achury>OK, I'm making a reinstall
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17:07<VavaR>what can i do to make wpa_supplicant work with a intel wireless chipset and those both wlan0 wmaster0 it creates.. it fails at Starting AP scan (broadcast SSID) ioctl[SIOCGIWSCAN]: Operation not supported.. also no success when i try all possible driver and interface combinations
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17:10<streuner>VavaR: make sure you using _ONE_ wireless stuff...
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17:15<valdyn>VavaR: you cannot do anything with the wmaster0 but spawn new wlanX
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17:15<valdyn>VavaR: so your operations need to be on wlan0 anyway
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17:20<user01>is it possible to build a linux router?
17:20<user01>wireless router?
17:21<Achury>Slurb: I removed second hard disk and reinstall and now works OK. Thanks a lot
17:22<Slurb>user yes but linux wireless isnt too stable in my experience...if you do use atheros chipsets that are supported
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17:23<user01>Slurb, is it the same hardware that broadcasts and sends signals?
17:23<user01>that receives?
17:23<Slurb>its the chipset for the wifi card
17:24<Slurb>atheros is the company that makes it
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17:24<user01>right basically a wireless card can broadcast a signal the same thing as a wireless router?
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17:31<user01>i think all the gnome network stuff is screwed up
17:32<Achury>thank you, bye
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17:32<user01>ive been just manually editing interfaces
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17:32<user01>though this may suck if i need to detect wireless broadcasts
17:33<user01>is there a program for detecting wireless broadcasts?
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17:43<Hans_Henrik> it ends on "Uh oh. Your card is not supported by any driver version." :(
17:44<Hans_Henrik>should i try nvidia's commercial driver?
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17:44<chealer>Hans_Henrik: which card do you use?
17:45<Jason1>I am thinking about getting the AMD motherboard
17:45<Hans_Henrik>good question, dont got a clue, however it says: #01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] (rev 15)
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17:46<valdyn>stone age gfx
17:46<Hans_Henrik>i could actually play the newest Onlink release with it xD
17:46<Hans_Henrik>(on XP)
17:47<chealer>Hans_Henrik: which Debian suite do you use?
17:47<Jason1>I use Debian Lenny, in case ya want to know :)
17:47<Hans_Henrik>the newest i guess..
17:48<Hans_Henrik>used netinst and installed earlier today
17:48<valdyn>!which driver
17:48<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into . To determine the driver currently associated with an existing network interface: grep PHYSDEVDRIVER /sys/class/net/*/uevent
17:48<valdyn>Hans_Henrik: go to that site ^^^
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17:49<Hans_Henrik>btw an other strange thing is my keyboard; it like "if i write to fast {and that aint fast!}, it will skip some of the buttons i press"
17:50<chealer>Hans_Henrik: that's vague. what does $ lspci -mn|awk '/"?0300"? "?(10de)|(12d2)"?/{ gsub("\"","") ; print $4 }'; output?
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17:50<Hans_Henrik>i have no idea but that would probably take more more than 10 min to write correctly :p irc client for debian?
17:51<chealer>Hans_Henrik: what do you mean? just paste it in a shell
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17:52<Hans_Henrik>im on a separate computer now
17:52<Hans_Henrik>got 1 that i chat/google with, and 1 im trying to set up debian with
17:53<Hans_Henrik>also the keyboard setup is wrong, so takes time to get the ?"')|( etc correctly
17:54<Jason1>Hans_Henrik: what layout you use? and what's your native language?
17:54<VavaR>valdyn, wlan0 works if i ifdown it explicitly before i try to use the interface.. strange .. and it only connects if i iwlist scan while wpa_supplicant is running.. at least i made it.
17:54<VavaR>valdyn, what is the role of wmaster0 exactly? why is it there at all?
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17:55<chealer>Hans_Henrik: join the channel from that PC, things will be easier
17:56<brunner>what's the easiest way to clone a hard drive that's is currently installed on my laptop, to an external USB drive, before I physically install the new drive in my laptop?
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17:56<valdyn>VavaR: i dont know why its done like that
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17:56<brunner>I thought I'd just be able to use dd, but people who've written tutorials seem to advocate cp and tons of different complicated steps
17:56<brunner>couldn't I just dd from my current drive to the new one?
17:56<valdyn>VavaR: your wlan driver stack supports multiple (virtual) interfaces on one wmaster0
17:57<valdyn>VavaR: that means you could connect to two networks at once, or let one interface be an access point and one connect to another interface
17:58<valdyn> another network even
17:58<valdyn>VavaR: since you dont need all this, just ignore the wmaster0
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18:01<brunner>sorry, I meant to say, what's the easiest way to clone my laptop hard drive to an external USB drive? I'm looking to copy the boot sector and everything.
18:01<VavaR>valdyn, well, with wlan0 it works. but somehow the ap won't be discovered and wpa_supplicant needs to up the interface itself or it thinks the interface is in use and can't be configured. i won't touch wmaster0 in future :)
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18:03<jpablo>Hi there.. When I tried to use ekiga the system said me that "(ekiga:16250): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: "
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18:04<jpablo>is necessary any packages?
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18:05<brunner>can dd be used to copy the MBR?
18:06<chealer>jpablo: how do you launch it?
18:06<jpablo>debiangnulinux:~# ekiga
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18:07<terver>seem you're running X from usual user and try to run ekiga as root
18:07<brunner>I guess I can reinstall grub
18:08<jpablo>Like usual user said the same message
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18:08<terver>may be you're under GNU screen?
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18:10<jpablo>terver, But in graphical mode I cant open ekiga
18:12<terver>echo $DISPLAY from the shell?
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18:14<badsanta>can anybody help me to find an alias for rpcbind in init.d , because i want the process to be killed
18:15<badsanta>and also samba-swat
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18:15<Slurb>badsanta: killall rpcbind
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18:15<Slurb>and killall samba-swat
18:16<terver>badsanta, try nfs-common
18:16<Slurb>do you want to uninstall them?
18:16<jpablo>terver, doesnot appear any message with that code
18:16<badsanta>i used to use update-rc.d and the name from init.d
18:17<badsanta>i've update-rc.d -f samba remove
18:18<terver>jpablo, it's very strange. how do you start your X session?
18:18<badsanta>but , theres something ramaining on 901/tcp
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18:19<terver>badsanta, /etc/init.d/nfs-common stop ?
18:20<jpablo>terver, Very normal, like I always start the system
18:20<badsanta>yes i killed nfs
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18:21<terver>jpablo, well, try to xhost +LOCAL && export DISPLAY=:0.0
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18:22<jpablo>terver, xhost: unable to open display ""
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18:24<terver>jpablo, something totaly screwed there, are you sure you're running those commands from the terminal launched from the same user you run X? no GNU screen session, no ssh?
18:25<terver>maybe try to open new terminal..
18:25<themill>jpablo: are you trying to run ekiga as root?
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18:25<jpablo>Yes, but I tried like a usual user and the problem is yet
18:26<terver>i hope you didn't switched to usual user as 'su user' from the root shell?
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18:26<jpablo>then... what is the better way?
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18:27<terver>heh, that's the problem ;)
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18:27<terver>open new terminal window from the menu, or how you open it. and run ekiga from there
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18:29<jpablo>Mmm the message dissapear.. but I tried with another way... thanks
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18:30<terver>you're welcome
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18:38<Slurb>can you make the gl driver take exclusive control of the graphics hardware?
18:39<Slurb>when i run compiz my games are jittery
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18:39<Slurb>i think its because the desktop still exists on the graphics hardware
18:39<Slurb>during the game
18:40<Slurb>can i change that?
18:40<Slurb>or only on windows
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19:00<Nemoder>Slurb: there is a compiz-switch program that you can use to toggle effects although I don't think there is a debian package for it yet
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19:16<Woet>I'm having huge troubles with enabling quotas on my server
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19:36<Slurb_>what good is screen if you cant logout
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19:37<Slurb_>to hide it at work huh
19:37<Slurb_>i know
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19:39<roschi>may someone say me how i can enable my microphon (Intel HDA soundcard) with alsamixer/amixer?
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19:41<Slurb_>just turn up the volume with the up arrow and un mute it with spacebar
19:41<Slurb_>hit tab to change devices
19:41<Slurb_>if i remember right
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19:43<roschi>hmmm, if i do that, nothing happends. I can see no volume bar for Mic. if a press space of arrow up/down, nothing happends.
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19:47<roschi>oh, i see! i can choose only one input. if i mute Mix i can unmute Mic
19:47<Slurb_>what does a c in aptitude mean
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20:06<rudi_s_>Slurb_: That a package was removed but not purged. The configuration files are still there.
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20:07<rudi_s_>You can find all of those with ~c (for example in / or l)
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20:09<rudi_s_>s/those/those packages/
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20:12<ml|>aptitude ~c purge works great to remove left over configs
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20:12<ml|>haha *aptitude purge ~c
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20:17<Slurb_>oh thx
20:18<seanius>Nemoder: you mean fusion-icon?
20:19<Slurb_>i just killed em all at once
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20:20<ml|>when you purge a package and it removes other packages no longer needed and use configs as well, they only get removed and not purged, so they leave configs behind
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20:21<Woet>I'm having huge troubles with enabling quotas on my server
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20:25<mantra>Whats the point of setting a domain name in debian?
20:25<mantra>like hostname.*.*
20:25<mantra>instead of just hostname
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20:36<mantra>what does the domain name you set in the install actually do?
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20:40<Nemoder>seanius: is what I meant, maybe fusion-icon does the same thing now?
20:42<ml|>mantra: man hostname
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20:44<mantra>so if I dont have a local DNS domain names are useless?
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20:49<mantra>ok that man page didnt make sense
20:49<mantra>i dont have a DNS
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20:50<mantra>and it didnt say what the domain name is actually used for
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20:50<mantra>do I need a domain name?
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20:54<Woet>I'm having huge troubles with enabling quotas on my server
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21:12<WindowSmasher>Can anyone assist with gsynaptics?
21:12<WindowSmasher>I am having a difficult time getting it to run after following a few different howto's
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21:24<galbert>i think debian should add "conditional dependencies" to apt-get
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21:24<galbert>or is it already being implemented?
21:25<bremner>galbert: what are conditional dependencies to you?
21:25<galbert>bremner: "package x is a dependency of y only if/as_long_as package z is also installed"
21:26<bremner>galbert: what is your use case?
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21:28<galbert>well, mine is a little strange (too special), but let me try to make up one
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21:29<nono>acid base!!!
21:31<andre>you what to add me to msn
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21:31<nono>all ritgght
21:33<galbert>bremner: like, add ntfs support (dep x) to application y necessarily (or else it will look crippled to the user), but only if application z (which looks like sufficient proof that the user has (interest in managing) ntfs partitions) is also installed
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21:34<andre>come on
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21:36<andre>add me
21:36<nono>Database ERROR:Table 'acidbase.iphdr' doesn't exist
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21:37<nono>debian forever
21:38<nono>is there anyone?
21:38<nono>i'm french
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21:39<Slurb_>i like the french kiss
21:39<bremner>galbert: your idea seems closer to "recommends" than depends.
21:40<andre>im her
21:40<nono>dpkg-reconfigure acidbase
21:41<andre>add me
21:41<bremner>galbert: anyway, I have to run. But you should be aware that changing dependencies in apt-get is not something that debian is likely to do without very convincing reasons
21:41<Slurb_>how do i restart mountkernfs without reboot?
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21:53<galbert>bremner: well, "recommends" is a vaguer concept, if i may say so
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21:55<galbert>"conditionals" would become mandatory under certain *package-specific* circumstances whereas "recommends" wouldn't
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22:02<oipunx>im trying to get serial to work
22:02<oipunx>I have set up the getty
22:02<oipunx>and it seems to work when sending command
22:02<oipunx>but minicom doesnt show any reply
22:02<oipunx>I can see the commands and reply via telnet
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22:02<oipunx>just not on minicom
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22:12<enouf>oipunx: setup getty where? and how?
22:12<enouf>oipunx: see /etc/inittab
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22:12<oipunx>yeah i did that
22:12<oipunx>and i can send commands from minicom, just not seeing anything back
22:13<oipunx>same with putty
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22:16<orkidatar>disable hw flow control
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22:17<oipunx>it's none
22:18<oipunx>settings is 115200 8N1
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22:18<oipunx>are *
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22:22<Sam0>Hi everyone, I'm starting with linux server administration, can you recommend me an irc channel so I can learn from other people troubeshooting?
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22:30<Woet>I'm having huge troubles with enabling quotas on my server
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22:31<dpkg>from memory, quota is a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction.
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22:32<nono>can i read a pdf with debian?
22:32<nono>it's a fucking joke!!
22:32<nono>french comic...
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22:33<Supaplex>you can has a cheeseburger with debian too, and a coke
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22:35<nono>apt-get install cheeseburger
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22:35<dpkg>hmm... cheeseburger is good
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22:38<nono>dpkg-reconfigure cheeseburger
22:38<Sam0>So... can you recommend me some channels/web about linux server administration?
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22:48<enouf>nono: it's "dpkg-reconfigure icanhazcheezburger" :-p
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22:49<enouf>cheezeRoyale anyways
22:49<nono>i'm looking for this fucking answer
22:49<mantra>dr|z3d: your on tor?
22:49<enouf>adb: the ever sane entries .. you amaze even moi ;-)
22:49<nono>mort de rire
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22:50<enouf>adb: may i PM you?
22:50<nono>tor is not necessary
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22:50<Sam0>Thanks adb
22:50<nono>i'm clean
22:51<nono>a necessity
22:51<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
22:51<enouf>adb: well, who cares - here it comes :-P
22:51<Supaplex>dpkg: !
22:51<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
22:51<Supaplex>you are now! buhuhahaha.
22:51<adb>enouf: what's wrong ? :)
22:52<nono>i'm fucking grenouille
22:52<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
22:53<adb>nono: tais toi , stp
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22:56*Supaplex drops the ubuntu DVD into the inferno of gushing thermite *F OO OOOM*
22:56<Supaplex>oops. it died.
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23:14<indistylo>ma ki chut
23:15<indistylo>@naiv : MKL
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23:27<sasdl>hello. i have recently updated my dhcp3 config to supersede the domain returned via (as far as i know) the dhcp initialisation, however, now setting up my mail system `dpkg-reconfigure
23:27<sasdl>exim4-config` i'm getting still getting my router's domain in the default configuration for exim4. This bothers me. where is the wrong domain information coming from and why/how?
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23:31<sasdl>i also have noticed bios and sound in the same sentance... is there someone else having major problems with sound on an amd64 setup?
23:32<sasdl>and external usb soundcard?
23:32<nono>choose your card
23:33<sasdl>it works sometimes... both windows and linux
23:33<sasdl>was starting to think bios
23:35<sasdl>as in pile of...?
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23:37<sasdl>you think? my time still holds when power disconnected
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23:38<nono>i'm not sure
23:40<nono>but i had this problem with an old battery
23:40<sasdl>ah, ok - thanks - it's not something i'd even considered before
23:40<sasdl>any idea's on the domain name question?
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23:42<tetsuo>i get install debian in a old pc
23:43<nono>DHCP server for automatic IP address assignment
23:43<tetsuo>this pc have problems with drive ethernet
23:43<nono>DHCP3 server installed?
23:44<tetsuo>yes, when install search or configure apt, its block
23:44<tetsuo>and installation not progress
23:45<sasdl>yeah, have modified the dhcpclient.conf file to override the dhcp server's response for domain, however there's obviously still somewhere that the domain returned selected and/or remembered
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23:45<sasdl>service is installed but not sure about server
23:46<tetsuo>i install debian in desktop no with server
23:46<tetsuo>excuse my english i speak spanish
23:46<nono>sasdl :perhaps:dhcp-helper
23:46<sasdl>or am i thinking of the network-manager scripts - operating the client? i don't think server is installed. but is this getting of the point?
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23:48<sasdl>nono: ok so i need to read more about dhcp protocol and operation to work this one out.
23:48<tetsuo>my problem is not install debian in pc-chips m748lmrt
23:49<nono>sasdl: i think you're right
23:49<tetsuo>i have problem with drive davicom 9102
23:51<k1lumin4t1>hi there
23:52<k1lumin4t1>I'm currently using Debian Squeeze with KDE 4.2.4 directly from debian repositories. Right before that I used KDE 4.2 from a non-official source, i.e. I have since moved between them through upgrades. There was a time in which I could get data CD/DVD automounted through dolphin or device notifier applet. Since some months ago I can only mount USB drivers through it and have to use other mechanisms for data CD/DVD
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23:53<k1lumin4t1>I think it might be related to HAL issues, since lshal output shows everything but my CD/DVD rom drive
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23:53<dpkg>it has been said that kde4 is the latest KDE version, available starting from <squeeze>. For more information, join #debian-kde on
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23:53<nono>tetsuo: modprobe dm9xs.o
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23:54<k1lumin4t1>enouf, I have also asked there....
23:54<k1lumin4t1>enouf, What I would like most of the help is in figuring out why HAL doesn't show my CD/DVD rom drive
23:54<k1lumin4t1>enouf, it's a SATA CD/DVD drive
23:54<tetsuo>in what moment use this command?? nono
23:55<enouf>k1lumin4t1: realize - almost nobody here cares even about kde4 ... it's so bloated and stupid .. but that;s just MY opinion -- there's no way anyone would even know,. unless they themselves were a Dev for kde4 -- you're better off in mailing lists and maybe other nets
23:55<Woet>GrandNet_-_Member is randomly spamming my pm
23:55<enouf>like #kde on
23:55<Woet>just so you know
23:55<enouf>like #kde on k1lumin4t1
23:56<k1lumin4t1>enouf, as I said... it isn't even actually related to kde4. HAL in debian squeeze stopped recognizing my CD/DVD drive
23:56<tetsuo>pc don't have SO
23:56<enouf>k1lumin4t1: HAL is an idiotic concept - again - IMHO
23:56<k1lumin4t1>enouf, ok
23:57<enouf>k1lumin4t1: the whole udev+hal+dbus thing needs to die .. a horrible death
23:57<k1lumin4t1>enouf, agreed
23:57<Hideo>burn in the fire of hell!
23:57<enouf>!nuke udev+hal+dbus
23:57*dpkg fires an 80 petaton thermonuclear weapon at udev+hal+dbus
23:57<dpkg>somebody said hell was where it is always schoolies week.
23:58<nono>tetsuo:perhaps:First, you need to add dmfe to /etc/modules. To do this you need to open up modules with gedit by typing the following code into a terminal.sudo gedit /etc/modules Then, you need to add "dmfe" to this, without the quotes. Make sure you save.Finally, you need to blacklist the tulip driver so it wont run at startup. To do this you need to run the following in a terminal.sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist after this is opened, you n
23:58<nono>eed to add "blacklist tulip", without the quotations, somewhere in the file. Then save.
23:58*enouf sticks out his middle finger at "autoconfig"
23:58<k1lumin4t1>ok another question
23:58<enouf>it's like Linux for Dummies
23:58<k1lumin4t1>I have a Debian installation with a LVM tree
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23:59<k1lumin4t1>my root partition is inside the LVM
23:59<enouf>and how many disks?
23:59<k1lumin4t1>enouf, 2 disks
23:59<enouf>you never need to resize /
23:59<k1lumin4t1>enouf, beacuse I didn't have one of them previously
23:59<enouf>not if you partitioned correctly
23:59<k1lumin4t1>ok the thing is
23:59<enouf>why do you need them?
23:59<tetsuo>nono, the problem is "pc not SO"
23:59<k1lumin4t1>Home and Root are inside of the LVM
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