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---Logopened Sun Jul 26 00:00:05 2009
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00:00<enouf>that's more silly
00:00<k1lumin4t1>and I'd like to reinstall without touching home
00:00<k1lumin4t1>enouf, it isn't... I thought on expanding home
00:00<tetsuo>debian not install in this pc, that pc have motherboard m748lmrt
00:00<k1lumin4t1>and LVM is the cleaner way to do it, imo
00:00<enouf>you should have all "growing" (or needing management) trees on LVM
00:00<k1lumin4t1>home is always growing in my pc
00:01<enouf>no, it's stupid for 2 partitions across 2 disks
00:01<nono>tetsuo: After both of these steps have been completed, restart your system, you now magically have a working ethernet adapter. (
00:01<adb>dpkg: tell tetsuo -about kmuto
00:01<k1lumin4t1>enouf, can I reinstall without touching home and just doing root again?
00:02<enouf>i don;t know - and i don;t care .. but only because you haven't thought this through
00:02<k1lumin4t1>enouf, not "enouf" banging lately? ;)
00:02<enouf>k1lumin4t1: i'm going to stfu now .. again, sorry
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00:03<enouf>k1lumin4t1: not quite - worse
00:04<tetsuo>thanks, i try installed tomorrow, in this motherboard a install p3 800mhz and DD 20Gb and ram 256Mb
00:04<tetsuo>i install debian with xfce
00:04<tetsuo>or lxde??
00:05<enouf>adb: i think they might have grabbed that newer XFCE+LXDE CD1 or something
00:06<craigevil>tetsuo: anything but kde/gnome/xfce ; openbox, fluxbox, even lxde should be ok
00:06<tetsuo>this cd i have xfce+lxde
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00:11<indistylo>my Skype Audio feature nt working ,?? Audio playback problem ?? Pls tell the solution
00:11<indistylo>my Skype Audio feature nt working ,?? Audio playback problem ?? Pls tell the solution
00:11<indistylo>my Skype Audio feature nt working ,?? Audio playback problem ?? Pls tell the solution
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00:12<enouf>solution is;
00:12<enouf>STOP SPAMMING
00:12<chui>what the latest version of skype for ubuntu ;)
00:12<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
00:13<nono>Ubuntu 7.04-8.04
00:14<chui>nice to meet you
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00:41<nono>aptitude install pretty-woman
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00:43<sasdl>nono : how about aptitude install brain. and then kick nono
00:45*enouf installs the "life of brian" instead onto nono
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00:45<sasdl>i laugh... good funny. what me say? nono
00:46<nono>i don't speak english
00:46*enouf installs 'abinormal' into all others
00:46*Slurb paces back and forth abinormally
00:47<enouf>Slurb: how's that hump doing?
00:47<nono>dpkg-reconfigure nono
00:47<sney`>dpkg -i brain
00:47*dpkg removes a lung from sney` and replaces it with brain
00:47*blah gets great big hammer an knocks some sense into nono
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00:47<nono>dpkg-reconfigure -f nono
00:47<Slurb>dpkg: kick nono
00:47*dpkg kicks nono in the crotch.
00:48<enouf>!yessmite nono
00:48<nono>i stop
00:48<nono>no matter
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01:12<herberth>some body know how to play openarena in multiplayer mode?
01:12<herberth>i have a error, no response from master server :(:(:(
01:14<craigevil>herberth: your firewall is blocking the port
01:15<herberth>i have an other pc with window$, and i can play in multiplayer mode
01:15<herberth>but, in my pc, with debian, i can't
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01:21<nono>blah_: keep cool
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01:36<nono>i like listen with gnome
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01:36<nono>so aptitude install listen
01:38<nono>with bob dylan
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02:08<dani>i got a problem, i can't boot vista from grub because it boots xp instead which i installed not long ago, how do i fix the issue? grub displays vista but boots xp.
02:09<adb>xp is better
02:09<Hideo>wow grub is sentient
02:10<dani>i agree xp is better
02:10<dani>but i need vista atm
02:10<Sam0>do you know how to edit the menu.lst of the grub?
02:10<dani>i did once but i forgot how to.
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02:11<Sam0>well first boot in the linux partition and write in wich partition vista is
02:11<Sam0>then edit that file nono wrote
02:12<Sam0>copy the wxp block, but change the info for the vista info
02:12<Sam0>i supose you have wxp, vista, linux
02:12<dani>dani@dani-laptop:~$ /boot/grub/menu.lst
02:12<dani>bash: /boot/grub/menu.lst: Permission denied
02:12<dani>dani@dani-laptop:~$ sudo /boot/grub/menu.lst
02:12<dani>sudo: /boot/grub/menu.lst: command not found
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02:13<Sam0>you forgot the gedit
02:13<Sam0>or the text editor of your choice
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02:13<Supaplex>!lose dani
02:13<dpkg>dani: You Lose.
02:13<Supaplex>"editor" should always work.
02:13<Supaplex>sudo editor /boot ... (yes, editor is a literal)
02:14<Hideo>vi or death
02:14<nono>nano or die
02:14<Sam0>vi = death
02:14<Sam0>arrow keys = win (?)
02:15<Supaplex>!start an editor war
02:15<dpkg>pico doesn't deserve to be in red hat
02:15<Supaplex>dude. we said WAR. comeon here...
02:15<Supaplex>!start an editor war
02:15<dpkg>xemacs is known to decrease your lifespan
02:16<Hideo>!start an editor war
02:16<dpkg>xemacs doesn't deserve to be in BSD
02:16<Supaplex>also true.
02:16<Supaplex>so vim it is.
02:16<nono>important: /boot/grub/menu.lst
02:16<dani-boy>just got thru menu.lst
02:17<dani-boy>what am i looking for?
02:17<Sam0>the windows xp block
02:17<dani-boy>found it
02:18<dani-boy>i should change the root right?
02:18<Sam0>then copy and paste it. so it will be duplicated... but now on one of them you put the vista info
02:18<nono>after ## ## End Default Options ##
02:18<Sam0>one of them = one of the blocks
02:19<Sam0>maybe the only thing to change is going to be the location... like /dev/sdaX
02:19<nono>exemple:title Windows NT/2000/XP
02:20<Sam0>and change the name it will display on the grub, so you know wich one is the new
02:20<nono>probably (hd0,1)
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02:20<Sam0>yeah that... i'm on xp right now xD
02:21<Sam0>cbt nuggets x)
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02:21<Hideo>hmm should have done grub-mkdevicemap first and then cat /boot/grub/
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02:22<nono>I don't think
02:22<J_Dahmer>How long do kline's last?
02:23<Hideo>ask #oftc ?
02:24<Hideo>J_Dahmer: /join #oftc and ask them
02:24<Supaplex>J_Dahmer: " this long (not to scale) "
02:24<Hideo>each pixel is 1 month
02:25<nono>dani: what's about "nano /boot/grub/menu.lst"
02:26<dani-boy>wat about it?
02:26<dani-boy>i did the changes
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02:27<dani-boy>imma give it a shot
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02:28<nono>dani-boy; try that "fdisk -l"
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02:36<foxes>fdisk = fuck disk
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02:45<Sam0>i think dani is reinstalling the O.S.
02:46<nono>vista was....
02:47<nono>what is an OS?
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03:12<nono>i like microsoft
03:13<drakeman>hey, anyone have any idea to see a canon SD880IS digital camera inside debian? lsusb see the canon camera, but i cant mountit, why? any ideas?
03:13<drakeman>i have the serial number and other info about the camera in dmesg too!
03:14<nono>what about lsusb?
03:15<drakeman>i see this line Bus 001 Device 011: ID 04a9:3196 Canon, Inc.
03:15<drakeman>any way to moun it?but i didnt see the camera with fdisk.
03:16<nono>EasyCam 2
03:17<drakeman>there is no way to mount it like a disk?
03:17<drakeman>easy cam for linux?
03:19<drakeman>is in debian repositories'
03:20<drakeman>why sorry?
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03:21<nono>camorama perhaps
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03:21<nono>easycam is not in repositories
03:22<drakeman>Hideo, going to try that one too
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03:24<drakeman>Hideo, gphoto2 dont have a gui?
03:24<Hideo>drakeman: I believe gtkam is the gui, not sure
03:26<drakeman>Hideo, i install gphotofs too.
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03:26<Hideo>drakeman: yeah, try them out, I haven't tested any of them so I dunno how they work
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03:30<drakeman>Hideo, gtkam works man! thanks.
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03:31<drakeman>Hideo, gphoto2 is for command line use right?
03:32<Hideo>drakeman: yep
03:32<Hideo>the man page for that looks pretty detailed
03:32<Hideo>have fun reading that :P
03:32<drakeman>Hideo, hate mans
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03:40<dani>howdy howdy
03:41<dani>me back
03:41<jostwi>Hey everybody! I'm struggling here with a debina lamp server. I'm a newbie! I set the server up, apache2 is running, and php5 seems to work too! But now i'm stucking with phpmyadmin and mysql. Could anyone could give me a good hint for a simple "how to" (german will be great) how to configure it ...
03:42<dani>so i did as you said, now when i boot vista from grub, im getting nrtl missing press ctrl alt del
03:42<drakeman>dani, man you already read the debian wiki for lamp?
03:42<drakeman>is so easy man.. and always works:D
03:43<drakeman>dani, sorry, th e message was for jostwi
03:43<drakeman>jostwi, you already read it?
03:43<jostwi>yes, i followed a how to from a german guy .... but i didn't read this debian wiki ...
03:44<dpkg>from memory, lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server. Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql ; a2enmod php5".
03:44<jostwi>i recogniced this debian wiki for lamp ...
03:44<jostwi>yes ...
03:45<jostwi>but i wasn't really successful with it ...
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03:46<jostwi>the german how to from tim bormann worked great so for ....
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03:51<dani>any ideas about nrtl missing?
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04:02<msa>for some reason iceweasel doesn't integrate well into my gnome desktop and it does not make use of the same font rendering. Any idea why?
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04:06<nono>"doesn't integrate well"?
04:07<msa>nono: when it comes to appearance
04:07<msa>nono: i use metacity
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04:09<nono>with synaptic
04:10<nono>and that "iceweasel-gnome-support"
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04:13<msa>nono: still the same
04:14<Bimbo>hello. I'm beginner in debian/linux. I would like to work more under the text terminal tty1 .. tty6. How can I change my fontsize. actually is to big. Which packages I need to do this?
04:14<ml|>msa: did you try logging out back in
04:15<nono>bimbo: /boot/grub/menu.lst ; kernel vga=791
04:15<nono>after quiet
04:16<Bimbo>nono: isn't it for saying I'using a laptop?
04:16<nono>and rebboot
04:17<Worf_>Bimbo: but it's nothing wrong using xorg and opening a bunch of terminals. actually there are a view arguments for it :)
04:17<msa>ml|: just tried that. still no luck.
04:17<tcsetattr>fbset or svgatextmode can change the text mode without rebooting... and you could load a different font with consolechars -f
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04:19<nono>yeah tcsetattr
04:19<Bimbo>Worf_: I have an old laptop. 256MB RAM Memory. And battery power also only have capacity for 2 hours. I would like to use my laptop during my trip in train. So I would like to cancel for this trip the graphical modus and only working under textmode saving some power.
04:21<nono>nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
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04:22<Worf_>Bimb: i see. however, i would test if you really save power that way. i had once exactely the opposite happening. once i startet xorg (and using the binary only drivers), the power consumption of my nvidia card dropped significantely. but maybe that's nvidia specific :)
04:22<ml|>Bimbo: need to add vga=791 at the end of kernel line(s) in /boot/grub/menu.lst vga=791 works well for 1024x768
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04:23<Worf_>and the high resolution text modes are not exactely optimized for efficiency
04:23<Bimbo>what does that mean vga=791.
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04:23<nono>try ;)
04:23<Bimbo>Worf_: what do you mean with that.
04:24<nono>no matter
04:24<tcsetattr>what about the power consumed by the CPU running the oodles of prcoesses spawned by an X session
04:24<Bimbo>ok. I will try. CU because of rebooting ;-)
04:24<ml|>Bimbo: what screen size?
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04:24<ml|>oh well ;P
04:25<tcsetattr>rebooting because of ignorance of SVGATextMode or fbset... sad
04:25<nono>i hope it's a good idea!!!
04:25<ml|>791 should work well for him
04:25<nono>i think too
04:25<ml|>but nice to know screen size ;)
04:25<craigevil>wouldnt using cpufreq and using powersave work just as well
04:26<ml|>yes that works in tty also not just in X
04:26<tcsetattr>I do wonder if he made any measurements on power usage, or if it was just a wild guess that text mode is power-efficient
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04:28<Bimbo>yes, it works. But some kind of small. I have to clean my glasses
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04:29<ml|>Bimbo: what screen size?
04:29<nono>the first time i was crazy!!!
04:29<Bimbo>Is there a possibility to maximize or minimize it dynamically like ctrl+(+) or ctrl+(-)
04:30<nono>with aptitude install screen you're the king
04:30<Bimbo>nono: my next try but really later is to work with screen;-)
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04:30<tcsetattr>yes! SVGATextMode for vgacon or fbset for fbcon!
04:30<Bimbo>not today, but I think I have it. I will look
04:31<Bimbo>yes, I have it. In the train I will read the man pages. Could you recommended it?
04:31<Bimbo>tcsetattr: Ok I will check it. Thanks
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04:32<nono>aptitude install screen
04:33<Bimbo>Last question: How can I say to my computer, please don't start in this session the graphical mode (tty7). But on next when I'm in home I would like to see it
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04:34<nono>aptitude remove gnome!!!
04:34<Bimbo>what does means maj+s
04:34<nono>it's a joke
04:34<ml|>if you use gdm select it from the choices it gives you
04:34<Bimbo>none: next time ;-)
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04:35<Worf_>you could configure your runlevels so {g|k|x}dm will or won't start - depending an what you like
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04:36<nono>i'm french...
04:36<Worf_>nono: nobody is perfect :)
04:36<nono>you know that...
04:37<Bimbo>mll: NO: i don't want that in the booting session my computer jumps to gdm session. As my system was broken because of broken packages it stops in the text mode - something like startx doesn' work. In my inittab - ok this stuff I don't know so much - i wrote or it is written default init level is 2. So I don't understand the things.
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04:37<Bimbo>nono: salut ;-) haha
04:38<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
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04:39<Worf_>oh - the Newsflash part i didn't know :)
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04:39<Bimbo>Worf_: I would like that before my system boot, I can choose, only graphical mode (I use actually gdm) or only text-mode. Is that in with any way possible?
04:40<blarson_>Bimbo: You could configure different run levels if you want.
04:40<Bimbo>dpkg: ok. I will try. this.
04:40<dpkg>Bimbo: no idea
04:40<cahoot>simply boot into 'safe/rescue' mode?
04:40<Worf_>Bimb: and with different runlevels you could add a extra line in your boot manager, one of them set to the other runlevel
04:42<Bimbo>nono: I would like only to work with text. No selection of topics in graphical mode.
04:42<nono>enleve tout gnome dans "session actuelle"
04:43<nono>i think
04:44<Bimbo>nono: sorry, I can't speak french. I would like. Next time -- or next time, next time -- but one idea is to configure my debian system in french. So I would learn some;-)
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04:45<Bimbo>ok. Thanks for your help. It was my first time in such a irc channel. I like it. Thanks
04:45<Bimbo>I have to go
04:46<Bimbo>nono: cu
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04:46<nono>i'm chocking!
04:46<Bimbo>nono: see you -- the american abreviation for this
04:47<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
04:48<nono>dpkg can have fun!!
04:48<dpkg>nono: i haven't a clue
04:48<tcsetattr>cu - call up another system. "cu is part of the UUCP source but has been split into its own package because it can be useful even if you do not do uucp."
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04:49<nono>cu without ps is 50% of a printer....
04:49<nono>i'm tired
04:49<Worf_>i wonder what someone who sounds as new to debian/linux as Bimbo will work on the text console during a long train trip :)
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04:50<Worf_>oh - i hope not :)
04:50<cahoot>might be he actuall uses the computer for something useful- writing?
04:51<nono>re:"cu without ps is 50% of a printer...."
04:51<nono>i'm alone
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05:02<nono>alsamixer ... red....
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05:07<nono>how cani install msn?
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05:08<gsimmons>dpkg: tell nono -about msn messenger
05:08<BioVirus>im comming to tell you my story, i was a arch user, but i broke the Xserver, so, i want to enter to the debian world, i want you to tell me any tips taht you want to tell to a person is new in debian
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05:12<ml|>BioVirus: /msg dpkg install guide /msg dpkg reference
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05:13<nono>aptitude install good-OS
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05:13<BioVirus>o, thnks 4 u gorgeous help, im very happy for your tips
05:13<BioVirus>see you
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05:13<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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05:23<craigevil>he cant fix X in arch so he is going to install debian, yeah that makes sense
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05:28<nono>what's about rm -r /
05:28<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
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05:34<ml|>craigevil: makes sense to him, heh
05:35<ebalsa>official default debian shell is now dash !
05:36<ml|>no way, when did that happen?
05:36<craigevil>ml|: sure screw up on one distro then expect a different one to work rather than figuring out how you messed up to begin with
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05:37<Kryptik> <= Anyone know what's wrong with that? Only thing I've found is that I should check if lenny is still being supported, but I'm not really 100% sure how to do that other than just googling the domain and lenny support.
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05:38<ml|>craigevil: hope the samething does not happen to him in debian, what will he use then
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05:39<craigevil>ubuntu of course :)
05:39<ml|>haha, did not want to say it :)
05:39<Kryptik>That's where no0bs start. :D
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05:39<Kryptik>That's why I'm using debian... :/
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05:40<craigevil>if you can screw up both arch and debian thats pretty much all thats left
05:40<Kryptik>So can either of you look at my problem real quick?
05:40<Kryptik>screw up debian?
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05:40<craigevil>ha not you the poor guy going from arch to debian
05:40<ml|>Kryptik: is your sources.list ok?
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05:41<Kryptik>uhh...I can paste it to you? :3
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05:41<Kryptik>I don't know if it's okay or not, but I would assume so.
05:41<ml|>that would help
05:41<craigevil>just try a different mirror
05:42<ml|>yeah if they are fine, that would the next step
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05:43<craigevil>i keep a couple of debian mirrors in my sources.list never know when one will go boom, also helps if its not a round robin like the mirrors
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05:44<Kryptik>looks okay to me...wouldn't really know though.
05:45<craigevil>looks fine, try changing the country code to fr or nl then run aptitude update
05:46<ottoshmidt>when default language is changed in dpkg-reconfigure locales does the language of Gnome only change or of everything that is available in that language?
05:47<ml|>never had an issue with :)
05:47<Kryptik> seems to have done the trick.
05:47<Kryptik>Idk, it's just de by default when I setup this vps.
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05:49<ml|>but, it is better to use the closest one to you tho, i'm in US so that works for me
05:49<craigevil>us gave me problems all the time, so now i use and i have and commented just in case
05:49<Kryptik>well it's hosted in chicago...
05:50<ml|>craigevil: good to know if i ever run into problems woth 'us'
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05:52<Kryptik>do you guys know anything about tarpitting?
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05:52<craigevil>i have crappy att dsl, so i also use a hosts file with the ip of the repo, seems to work better that way
05:52<Kryptik>Have some friends over near LA and TX that have problems with att.
05:56<locklace>craigevil: try opendns instead
05:56<craigevil>locklace: thats what i use, i think its the crappy 2wire router/modem
05:56<olet>well seem to have dropped debian :P
05:57<nono>what is debian?
05:57<dpkg>i heard debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or, see also <debmirror>.
05:57<olet>or decided they didn't want annonymous
05:57<nono>so bye
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05:57<locklace>craigevil: shouldn't be. if there's an actual problem at layer 3 or below, then using the ip address won't buy you anything over using the hostname
05:58<olet>actually it might
05:58<craigevil>without the ip address i end up running apt-get update 2 or 3 times before it will run without errors
05:59<olet>it takes a connection less to get right :)
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05:59<craigevil>which really doesnt make sense because iceweasel never has any issues
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05:59<locklace>craigevil: that has to be a dns problem. are you sure your resolver isn't also trying to use the router, e.g. based on dhcp dns server responses
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06:00<craigevil>resolv.conf has the router/gateway info
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06:00<locklace>then you're not using opendns
06:01<craigevil>i have opendns setup in the router
06:01<locklace>don't see why you'd want to do that. just configure your resolver to use the opendns servers directly
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06:02<craigevil>so it uses opendns on the kids XO
06:02<ml|>opendns works fine here setup in the router with resolv.conf using router ip
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06:03<craigevil>does here as well the only weird glitch is apt-get update
06:03<ml|>tried with aptitude
06:04<locklace>you can do it, there's just no point in adding the router as an extra hop and potential failure point for proxying your dns lookups
06:04<craigevil>heck deluge gets 400-500KB/s and pages loads just fine in iceweasel
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06:06<goten>Hai I`m Ranjith Kumar new to linux i wanna to getting started i use debian....
06:06<ml|>locklace: how is it an extra step if it's pointing to the router?
06:07<craigevil>thast whats in resolv.conf and opendns is setup on the router
06:08<locklace>ml|: if your router is pretending to be a dns server, then all your dns lookups go to the router and it proxies the query for you out to the real servers and then returns the response
06:08<ml|>i only have nameserver ip
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06:08<craigevil>ml|: with dsl? or cable?
06:09<locklace>craigevil: just add these lines to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf:
06:09<locklace>prepend domain-name-servers;
06:09<locklace>prepend domain-name-servers;
06:10<craigevil>tried that doesnt seem to work right with the dsl modem/router
06:10<craigevil>the dsl modem is the router
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06:11<locklace>what does "doesnt seem to work right" mean
06:11<craigevil>if i configure opendns on the pc even iceweasel cant find a webpage
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06:12<locklace>craigevil: does "dig @" work for you
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06:12<icarus>what are the major differences between ubuntu and debian
06:12<icarus>not trolling
06:13<craigevil>locklace: yes it returns a bunch of info
06:13<craigevil>like Query time: 259 msec
06:13<craigevil>;; SERVER:
06:13<locklace>craigevil: so there's no problem with passing dns queries to opendns and getting the response. there should be no problem putting those server addresses in resolv.conf for the same reason
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06:15<locklace>icarus: project priorities and target userbase, mainly
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06:15<craigevil>ok its worth a try, added, how do just do /etc/init.d/networking restart
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06:15<locklace>craigevil: no, first just add them manually to resolv.conf in place of the 192.168 line
06:16<locklace>craigevil: if that works, then you can add the prepend thing to dhclient.conf
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06:17<craigevil>if i dont do the prepend thing wont dhcpclient overwrite resolv.conf when i restart networking?
06:17<locklace>yes, so don't restart networking. changes to resolv.conf take immediate effect
06:17<craigevil>oh didnt know that
06:20<craigevil>damn apt-get works and is faster w00t> Fetched 2076kB in 5s (363kB/s)
06:21<craigevil>learn something new everyday thanks locklace
06:21<ml|>that would need to be done for all machines on network?
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06:21<Kryptik>Is anyone the least bit familiar with labrea?
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06:24<ml|>and resolv.conf needs to have opendns ip's and in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf prepend lines ??
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06:27<craigevil>dhcp overwrites resolv.conf thats why the prepends
06:28<ml|>ah, so it could be left as is
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06:32<ml|>locklace: thanks will try this
06:32<craigevil>cool localepurge now shows where it removes stuff from nifty
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06:40<z-warrior>how can i install packages through internet via
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06:42<cahoot>z-warrior: you ask from a debian POW?
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06:42<z-warrior>sorry i`m new to linux... say clearly
06:43<cahoot>z-warrior: you use debian?
06:43<z-warrior>debian 5
06:43<cahoot>z-warrior: the generic answer would be aptitude install <pkg> then
06:44<cahoot>(as root)
06:44<slush>unless he hasn't any mirrors in sources.list
06:44<z-warrior>i have trouble i can`t login as root in gui why...
06:46<z-warrior>i tried this apt-get install <pkg> but it hasn`t working...
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06:48<z-warrior>i can only install the pkg through DVD local drive not by the internet...
06:48<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
06:49<cahoot>z-warrior: I think you want to read some basic docs
06:49<z-warrior>okay... can u send me..
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06:50<z-warrior>okay very thanks... how can i login as root in gui
06:51<dr|z3d>z-warrior: Running Ubuntu?
06:51<cahoot>z-warrior: I think you want to read some basic docs before you start 'being root'
06:51<z-warrior>how tell me steps...
06:52<z-warrior>i used only once...
06:52<z-warrior>okay... i do....
06:53<z-warrior>i found lots of links which one should i prefer...
06:53<Kryptik>So anyone know about labrea or configuration options, required network configurations, etc?
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06:57<cahoot>z-warrior: maybe this?
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07:38<Woet>I'm having huge troubles with enabling quotas on my server
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07:44<Fantomi>anyone that can help me to configure a vserver
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07:45<code4casch_reqme>how to extend the live image while booted
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07:47<code4casch_reqme>is there a plugin like thing ? that loads| exec's extra schtuff from another location on boot ? if not i wanna code it
07:48<slush>code4casch_reqme: are you talking about debian?
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07:49<Fantomi>anyone that can help me to configure a vserver
07:49<DierG>русские есть?
07:49<DierG>any one pls give a russian C++ channel!
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07:50<slush>DierG: look on
07:50<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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07:50<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
07:50<Fantomi>slush can we speak pv
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07:51<Fantomi>ok thx
07:51<slush>just talk here and others can help too
07:52<slush>I'm off hitting the showers anyway
07:52<nymgeek>Can anyone help? I'm trying to install debian on a 128MB ram machine, gets stuck in boot.
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07:53<code4casch_reqme>slush, yes about the debian live image i got copied, havent seen it around
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08:34<Hans_Henrik>i installed debian and my keyboard; its like "if i write to fast {and that aint fast!}, it will skip some of the buttons i press" - help
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08:36<aliceinwire>error: cannot find binary, udeb or source package abr2gbr_3.0.8_i386.changes in dist or lab (skipping)
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08:39<Woet>I'm having huge troubles with enabling quotas on my server
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08:46<enouf>Hans_Henrik: try 'pkill console-kit*' (install procps pkg if necessary)
08:47<enouf>Hans_Henrik: if that doesn't work - remove your bloated DE
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08:49<Hans_Henrik_Debian>enouf: no error, no output, no effect on the problem
08:49<Gun_Smoke>enouf, is there a magical package that would conflict with everything but a minimal install?
08:50<Hans_Henrik>enouf: and idk what DE is
08:50<Gun_Smoke>for say a clean start minus a reinstall.
08:50<enouf>Hans_Henrik: /msg dpkg desktop environment
08:50<enouf>Gun_Smoke: huh?
08:51<Hans_Henrik>enouf: dpkg didnt say anything
08:51<enouf>08:49 <dpkg> no idea
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08:51<enouf>yes she did
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08:52<Hans_Henrik>lol ok, but nothing relevant
08:52<Gun_Smoke>enouf, do you know of a package that would conflict with everything but a minimal install. By selecting said package, you could then clean a system back to a minimal install without the need of a total reinstall. Make sense?
08:52<enouf>Gun_Smoke: no, it doesn't make sense to me - sorry
08:53<enouf>Gun_Smoke: a minimal base install comprises of packages with the priority of both important and required
08:53<enouf>Gun_Smoke: there are like 5 other priorities above those - one is 'standard'
08:54<Gun_Smoke>say you decide you've installed too much crap. And rather than do a clean reinstall, you might be able to select/install some package that would conflict with everything but basic Debian system.
08:54<enouf>Gun_Smoke: many consider those 3 to make a base install, since many usefool tools are of 'standard' priority
08:55<enouf>i've said all i can say about it Gun_Smoke
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08:55<Gun_Smoke>makes sense... I'm thinking of something along the lines of dpkg --set-selections I guess.. to get back to a basic system.
08:55*Gun_Smoke off to the beer store........ then the shell.. lol.
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09:05<eric>why doesn't the trash bin work for files on an NTFS file system?
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09:05<eric>I'm using debian lenny
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09:08<Fantomi>anyone that will help to make work my vserver
09:08<eric>you just need someone to test it?
09:09<bremner>Fantomi: please ask a more specific question.
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09:10<Fantomi>bremner i dont have any idea how to use vserver
09:10<Fantomi>its my first time i buy becouse i need more trafic for my web
09:11<Fantomi>i need some one to configure to work for my web
09:11<bremner>Fantomi: so you need a consultant?
09:12<dpkg>i guess consultants is
09:12<Fantomi>and the worst is that i cant english good
09:13<bremner>Fantomi: what is your native language? Italian?
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09:13<Fantomi>german or albanian
09:13<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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09:14<msa>i've made to identical gnome desktop setups. but in one of them, iceweasel does not use the gnome font rendering setup.
09:14<msa>to = two
09:15<Fantomi>ok i will try thx bremner
09:15<bremner>Fantomi: you're welcome.
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09:23<Hans_Henrik>how do i set a new var, call it for "VERSION" and make it contain "-legacy-71xx" in console? :p
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09:37<enouf>VERSION=whatever you want ; <command> ... (But i already told you, you don't need that - read the last sentence in the paragraph)
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09:39<alain>hi all
09:40<alain>I have troubles by installing lenny
09:42<Woet>I'm having huge troubles with enabling quotas on my server
09:43<eric>alain: I may be able to help I'm new however
09:43<ml|>locklace: i'm now using opendns like you suggested, but now i need to type the ip of computer of local network instead of using hostname, how can i use hostnames again?
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09:43<alain>thx. The xserver dont work because of display frequency who is not correct
09:44<eric>I'm not sure but I think you need to edit a file called xorg.conf itt's found in the /etc/X11 folder
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09:45<alain>yes eric. I edit it using nano but it seems to be empty
09:46<eric>it's empty by default because a module named HAL takes care of hotplging your monitor now
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09:46<eric>you might try this command in your terminal
09:46<eric>dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
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09:48<alain>I launched the command. After I returned to the prompt. Must I restart the machine now ?
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09:49<eric>I would check the xorg.conf file again and see if there is any inforamtion in it.
09:49<eric>I think that command only works for ubuntu
09:49<alain>It's also empty
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09:52<eric>I looked in my setup and there is nothing referring to display frequency.
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09:53<eric>Section "Monitor"
09:53<eric> Identifier "L1953T"
09:53<eric> Option "DPMS"
09:53<eric>Section "Screen"
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09:54<eric>sorry people
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09:54<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
09:54<alain>I tried to run dpkg-reconfigure -a
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09:57<eric>I just tried that also but it frightened me so I quit it.
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10:00<alain>I fully new install debian so I don't have fright
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10:00<alain>I perhaps triy to install debian using expert mode
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10:02<adb>wants gnone ?
10:02<adb>sorry gnome* ?
10:03<eric>you might try googling your hardware names along with xorg.conf and copy other peoples configurations
10:04<alain>yes, I'll try this
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10:05<adb>alain: X -configure < is the way from now /lenny
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10:09<Woet>I'm having huge troubles with enabling quotas on my server
10:09<alain>thank's adb, I try it
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10:15<ml|>alain: if that does not work try adding this to your xorg.conf ...
10:17<alain>X -configure send me a fatal error : server is already acive for display 0
10:19<alain>there is a file /tmp/.X0-lock that I can delete, but I don't know the command to delete it (the 'del' I know from dos don't work)
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10:20<alain>ok, rm works
10:21<dr|z3d>alain: rm for remove file, mv to move it.
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10:21<alain>X - coonf
10:21<amdgoon_>apropos "word you are looking for" will assist you if you are new to unix commands
10:21<amdgoon_>apropos delete
10:22<amdgoon_>apropos remove turns up rm
10:23<dr|z3d>alain: So to move a file, you'd need to specify both source and destination. "man mv", and "man rm" are worth typing at a console for further info.
10:23<alain>thank's. I'm lookng theese commands on my 2nd PC
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10:32<justfil>I can't edit /menu/grub/grub.cfg though i'm using root, why? it gives me no permission
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10:32<justfil>oh it's ok now, it was read-only
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10:34<wekt>apropos is for 'man'(ual) format pages, especially command line. /usr/share/doc has documentation for other software
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10:53<Plinker>Anyone know why the DVD version of Knoppix live might have problems with mail?
10:54<Plinker>Firefox is in the CD version and works but not in the DVD versin unless I remastered it?
10:54<bremner>!tell Plinker about knoppix
10:54<dr|z3d>Plinker: This is #debian in case you hadn't noticed ;)
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11:01<enouf>fwiw - i know recent (debian) pidgin users have had issues - something about yahoo changing their protocol or someshit - i use neither, so don't know specifics
11:01<enouf>Plinker: ^^^^
11:01<enouf>Plinker: but you are in the wrong channel to ask this ;-)
11:02<enouf>likely wrong network perhaps :-P
11:03<dr|z3d>Plinker: Another thing.. why use Knoppix? It's great as a recovery cd, not so hot as an installed distro..
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11:26<boonyo>hi, i'm trying to install a debian encrypted system on a sdhc card. i'm reading the eeepc wiki and it mentions you should add "rootdelay=10" to the kernel command line... what does that mean exactly?
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11:27<krishna>hi room
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11:37<envyless>typo :-) goodevening all
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11:55<vaib>I have this strange problem that when i connect headphone jack sound still comes from the internal speakers of the laptop, connecting headphone jack has no effect at all. Can anybody help me, I have alsa-info output with me.
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12:05<Woet>I'm having huge troubles with enabling quotas on my server
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12:24<bremner>Woet: maybe try mailing
12:24<Woet>meh, i'll post on the forums soonish
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12:26<handjob>Hi all. Simple noob question : how do i view (in terminal) files with txt.gz extension?
12:26<Nemoder>handjob: zless
12:26<vaib>handjob, use vim
12:26<dr|z3d>handjob: Decompress them first.
12:27<handjob>Thank you.
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12:29<vaib>Anyone willing to to help regarding sound issue in a laptop ?
12:29<handjob>'zless' shows some strange things. About decompresing what would look a command to decompres and read the file at the same time however don't decompres it to a directory rater to cache.
12:30<handjob>sorry my mitake 'zless' works perfect!
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12:30<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
12:31<dr|z3d>!smart questions
12:31<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
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12:47<bremner>anyone know how to select a different also device in gxine?
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13:18<enouf>bremner: i think in XINE, (i've never used gxine) you just need to set yourself as Master of the Known Universe as far as how expert you want the Preferences to show
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13:20<edbian>I'm trying to write a start-up script and I am having problems. I made the script file, placed it in /etc/init.d, made it exectuable, and linked to it from /etc/rc2.d
13:21<edbian>The script simply has 4 lines. The #!
13:21<vook>other than for convenience/"ease of maintenance" is there a strong argument against installing a package such as squirrelmail manually instead of via apt-get ?
13:21<edbian>"gnome-terminal --window-with-profile=DesktopConsole"
13:21<edbian>and "killall devilspie"
13:22<edbian>vook: Security. You know the package in the repos is the correct package (without some malicious alteration to the code that might mess things up)
13:23<edbian>I think the problem is that the script is run before the system has started the X server
13:23<edbian>Any ideas?
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13:25<vook>edbian: ya - I hear you. I wouldn't consider it with hardly any package - I just like the way the squirrelmail distributors install the package over the way debian sets it up.
13:25<edbian>Maybe this will solicit some answers. Is there any way to control the order in which the "Start-Up Programs" are run??
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13:25<edbian>vook: mhmm
13:26<vook>why put that in init.d ?
13:26<vook>how about xinitrc ?
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13:27<happydufus>ebian: ~/.xinitrc to start with X
13:27<vook>that being ~/.xinitrc
13:27<edbian>happydufus: Do I link it to rc2.d?
13:28<bremner>enouf: thanx, no dice though. Maybe it is not possible.
13:28<edbian>I don't seem to have a ".xinitrc" I'm using debian lenny if that makes a diff
13:28<vook>create one
13:29<edbian>it's a text file?
13:29<edbian>or a dir ?
13:29<happydufus>text file
13:30<edbian>Thanks guys!
13:30<vook>look at /usr/X11/xinit/xinitrc <-- that's the master file. ~/.xinitrc is the same essentially - sort of like /etc/profile vs. ~/.profile
13:30<bremner>edbian: are you using gnome or kde? they both have ways to autostart programs
13:30<edbian>Why am I using gnome?
13:31<edbian>Cause I like a graphical desktop?
13:31<bremner>edbian: it was a yes/no question, essay answer not required...
13:32<bremner>edbian: some gnome expert can tell you, but I expect there is a directory you can drop a script in to run at startup.
13:32<edbian>bremner: Oops! I read your question wrong lol. Yeah I know that gnome has the little "session" GUI but I can't get them to run in any particular order. I need to start devilspie, then start a terminal, then kill devilspie IN THAT ORDER. The sessions app just seems to run them in arbitrary order.
13:33<bremner>edbian: make a script that does what you want, then run the script from gnome session?
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13:33<edbian>bremner: !!
13:33<edbian>bremner: Now you're on to something lol
13:34<edbian>Where is the best place to put this script?
13:34*vook thinks gnome uses ~/.config/autostart
13:35<bremner>edbian: sorry, I'm not using gnome.
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13:35<edbian>vook: Could you explain to me the contents of /.config/autostart ??
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13:35<vook>edbian: if you look in ~/.config/autostart, you'll find little files with a .desktop extension. You can create autostarting apps by creating a new one of those.
13:36<edbian>vook: Yeah I'm looking at it now. Thank you
13:36<vook>just create a new one based off of an existing one.
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13:37<edbian>vook: I think these are the files behind the "sessions" GUI app
13:37<edbian>vook: In fact I'm sure of it
13:37<edbian>vook: bremner: happydufus: Thank you!
13:37<vook>bremner is right ~/.xinitrc is better for suited for global startup programs (like xbindkeys, xcompmgr)
13:37<enouf>bremner: well - do both or all your alsa devices work outside of gxine?
13:38<enouf>bremner: i think somewhere in gnome Admin ? or in System | [Preferences] | Sound ?
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13:38<bremner>enouf: yeah, in vlc I can choose my usb headphones.
13:39<enouf>oh, you're not using gnome? my bad then
13:39<edbian>vook: Yeah I was thinking about that. I only want it to start for my user
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13:39<enouf>edbian: isn't there a System | preferences | sessions file you can edit?
13:40<edbian>enouf: That's what I'm doing
13:40<Squideshi>Are there any differences between the CD and DVD images?
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13:41<enouf>vook: the ~/.config/autostart is good .. but mostly (used for WMs) and for when DEs don't give you a way (and they always do, since they're Bloated) .. and when there's no WM .dotfile available
13:41<vook>oh ya, gnome-session-properties. that's too easy.
13:41<enouf>Squideshi: depends who generated them
13:41<Woet>could I resize a partition debian is currently running upon?
13:42<edbian>Squideshi: DVD has more packages on each disk
13:42<enouf>DVD vs CD size capacity?
13:42<edbian>Woet: You can't alter partitions you're mounted on
13:42<enouf>Woet: you might - depends on some things
13:42<enouf>edbian: not necessarily - LVM gives one ability to do many odd things
13:43<edbian>enouf: I had no idea!
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13:43<enouf>it still could depend on how it was all setup
13:43<bremner>even ext3 can be resized if you use the right utility
13:44<enouf>yes, but using it (resize2fs) on '/' might either a) be risky and/or b) not doable
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13:45<enouf>_if_ i ever were to attempt a resizing of '/' while i'm using it, i'd likely reboot into Single anyway (or just /bin/sh) prior (and make sure ONLY init is running) :-P
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13:46<edbian>Now I'm really confused. I restarted to test it and I'm having problems :(
13:46<enouf>or .. telinit 1 and sysrq down to it from full
13:46<Squideshi>I'm confused about the following page:
13:47<edbian>I have a "devilspie" process running and a "" process running (the name of the script I wrote) but the terminal was never started.
13:47<enouf>what i've recently discovered is; i canNOT "mount -o remount,ro /" when dhcpcd is running!
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13:47<enouf>and it's only dhcpcd ... ugh - i only had init, udevd, dhcpcd and i killed dhcpcd, THEN i could remount / ro
13:47<Squideshi>It looks like both the CD and DVD images are different than the three "small" network install images, but it doesn't say anything about the difference between the two "large" images.
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13:48<edbian>perhaps cause devils pie never finished running!
13:48<bremner>Squideshi: if you have network on the machine you are installing, a netinstall is almost always the right choice
13:48<enouf>edbian: did you assign it a getty in /etc/inittab ?
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13:49<enouf>Squideshi: DVDs are 4.37GiB, whereas CDs hold only ~700MiB
13:49<edbian>enouf: No but it's being run from the "gnome session manager" so it will start on tty7
13:49<enouf>oh oh ...
13:49<edbian>enouf: I am 90% sure I need devilspie& and not devilspie on line 1 of my script :)
13:49<enouf>so it's an xterminal
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13:50<enouf>i don't know what you want/mean ...
13:50<edbian>enouf: gnome-terminal yes
13:50<enouf>so fire it up?
13:50<Squideshi>Oh wait, I think I get it. Both "large" images--the CD and DVD--have exactly the same thing. You just need MORE CDs (i.e. there are more ISO files for the CD version.)
13:50<enouf>exec gnome-terminal ?
13:50<edbian>enouf: Let me run a rest (log out and in) and I will let you know if I need more help :). I think I have it figuered out
13:50<edbian>run a test*
13:51<enouf>Squideshi: right - something like 18CDs == 5 DVDs
13:51<enouf>well .. ya know
13:51<enouf>do the math man
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13:51<enouf>Squideshi: but use a netinstall :-)
13:51<Squideshi>That's fine. I just needed to know that the distributions contained in both sets was the same.
13:51<enouf>less than 200MB
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13:53<Guest518>anyone know much about the low level ethernet channels?
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13:54<edbian>What is the command to make the terminal wait a certain amount of time?
13:54<wysiwyg111>trying to use 2 different ethernet ports in same machine
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13:54<happydufus>ebian : sleep
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13:54<edbian>happydufus: Thanks!
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13:56<wysiwyg111>debian n00b here. have two ethernet cards in same box. how to talk to one using telnet while browsing on other with the built-in browser
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13:56<wysiwyg111>one ethernet card is hooked to local devices, the other has the net connected to it
13:56<edbian>enouf: I got it working!
13:56<edbian>Thanks for the help everybody!
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13:58<Squideshi>Are there any live CD distributions of Debian?
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14:00<wysiwyg111>squid: i got my netinst cd from - don't know if that helps
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14:04<wysiwyg111>when i examine the system devices in applications -> system tools -> network tools -> devices i can only see the one ethernet card and the loopback, not the other network card. can i add the other network card there somehow?
14:04<happydufus>edbian: nice - you shoul check out a program calle conky
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14:15<enouf>wysiwyg111: try ls /sys/class/net
14:15<wysiwyg111>thx enouf
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14:17<enouf>wysiwyg111: '/sbin/ifconfig -a' as well -- i use the aforementioned, cause it's easier to type for me
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14:18<zetneteork>hello, i would like to ask you aboute my bug with debian install
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14:20<zetneteork>When i start install Debian 5.02 in expertmode. I have sametime problem with partitionig.
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14:21<nlewycky_>x11 won't start on my system after an upgrade. i filed this as b.d.o/530318 a long time ago and there's been no comment on it.
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14:21<wysiwyg111>enouf: i did find eth0, eth1, and lo - eth1 is where the net was connected and lo is the loopback. but eth0 does not show up in network tools -> devices
14:21<envyless><typo> <bow> :-S
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14:22<wysiwyg111>zneteork: i'd try to help if you could rephrase there
14:23<enouf>wysiwyg111: so what is eth0, wifi?
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14:23<zetneteork>wusiwig111: rephrase?
14:24<zetneteork>wysiwig111: rephrase?
14:24<enouf>zetneteork: what happens?
14:24<enouf>zetneteork: yes, reword your sentences
14:24<enouf>!dbugs 530318
14:24<dpkg>#530318:I[hal] hal doesn't fill in info.capabilities for mouse or keyboard (); Sun, 24 May 2009 01:18:01 UTC []
14:25<enouf>nlewycky_: dpkg -l consolekit | tail -n 1
14:25<zetneteork>enouf: I have 2 SCSI hotswap scsi disk on LSI controler. In install menu i detect disk. And manage the partition with SW RAID on both disk.
14:25<wysiwyg111>enouf: i have two different ethernet cards in the same box. both are pci
14:26<enouf>so? wifi doesn't send ethernet packets?
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14:27<wysiwyg111>enouf: so that ifconfig command sure yielded a bunch of info
14:27<nlewycky_>enouf: ii consolekit 0.3.0-3
14:27<zetneteork>enouf: when i try make some partiton ext3 on md0. OR make partiton on non raid SDA/SDB partiton ext3. Debian installer stopped,changed the language to default.And i cant partitionging again
14:27<enouf>zetneteork: LSI as in Dell PERCn ?
14:27<zetneteork>enouf: HP Workstation xw 8000
14:27<wysiwyg111>ok everyone, here's a real dumb q :-) what is the irc client in debian? i'm on my windows machine right now walking back and forth
14:28<Kryptik>xchat ?
14:28<enouf>zetneteork: and 'hotswap' doesn't exist in linux unless the hardware AND kernel both support it
14:28<Kryptik>I think...
14:28<enouf>zetneteork: so it's some Onboard crap
14:28<zetneteork>enouf: I know that about hotswap disk
14:29<enouf>wysiwyg111: there are literally tons
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14:29<zetneteork>enouf: But i have never had probleams like that on this machine with debian
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14:29<enouf>nlewycky_: and 'ps aux | grep [c]onsole-kit' says?
14:30<nlewycky_>enouf: root 2758 0.0 0.1 15984 2284 ? Ssl 11:12 0:00 /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon
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14:30<wysiwyg111>is there a preferred irc client that comes installed with the full standard desktop install?
14:30<dpkg>rumour has it, irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read . See also . #irssi on and
14:30<zetneteork>enouf: before that i had same disk, but older dist of Debian. I have problem how to report this problem from installer
14:30<bremner>wysiwyg111: if you prefer graphical ui, xchat is decent
14:30<ml|>but xchat is fine also inX
14:31<enouf>nlewycky_: ok - so ... now, dpkg -L consolekit | grep doc
14:31<enouf>zetneteork: i see - i want to help, but not sure how to
14:31<nlewycky_>enouf: i see /usr/share/doc/consolekit/*
14:31<enouf>nlewycky_: bingo
14:31<enouf>nlewycky_: open that dir/ and read *
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14:32<zetneteork>enouf: Also i tried another SCSI controler like ADAPTEC AHA-29** or HP SmartArray or IBM Serveraid 5i
14:33<enouf>nlewycky_: 'lshal | grep info.capabilities' gives me this (but i've killed consolekit dead, though still installed)
14:33<enouf> info.capabilities = {'input', 'input.mouse', 'access_control'} (string list)
14:33<enouf> info.capabilities = {'input', 'input.keyboard', 'input.keypad', 'input.keys', 'button'} (string list)
14:33<wysiwyg111>ok everyone seems to suggest xchat. yes, a gui would be nice. problem: real n00b at gui's with *nix
14:33<enouf>is that what you were looking for? or more lines about mouse/keys
14:34<lhx>why don't you use irssi?
14:35<wysiwyg111>found several references to xchat by doing a "search for files" and searching for the string xchat, but don't know what to do with them.
14:35<ml|>wysiwyg111: but if you take the time to learn irssi, you'll be better off imho
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14:35<enouf>zetneteork: those all seem like hardware raid to me - and either a) require a proprietary version of driver and proper Card's BIOS setup --or-- b) some special kernel parameters at boot: prompt -- see F1-F10 when afteer installer boots
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14:35<lhx>wysiwyg111: try irssi - it's really not hard to learn... just a few simple commands, and learning how to use the meta key to switch windows
14:35<nlewycky_>enouf: right, and i don't get any 'input' lines at all.
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14:36<enouf>zetneteork: even though the LSI and ADAPTEC seem more Addin Cards .. not sure - but that SmartArray stuff sounds Onboard
14:36<enouf>nlewycky_: which kernel? which release?
14:36<ml|>wysiwyg111: read above what dpkg said if you decide to try irssi
14:36<nlewycky_>enouf: i build from, not debian packages.
14:36<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
14:36<wysiwyg111>found: xchat-gnome.desktop, xchat.desktop, xchat-gnome.png, and xchant.png. the .png's are obviously graphics files, but what are the .desktop files?
14:37<enouf>wysiwyg111: those are DE and WM startup files
14:37<enouf>depends where they
14:37<enouf>'re located
14:37<nlewycky_>enouf: debian version is squeeze/sid
14:38<enouf>nlewycky_: ok, i'm on sid
14:38<nlewycky_>it's debian unstable as of this morning, actually
14:38<enouf>which kernel?
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14:38<enouf>cat /proc/version nlewycky_
14:38<nlewycky_>enouf: Linux version (root@calvin) (gcc version 4.3.3 (Debian 4.3.3-10) ) #1 PREEMPT Sat May 23 15:40:16 PDT 2009
14:38<enouf>better get a Debian one ;-)
14:39<nlewycky_>as i said, i build my own. is it too old? too new? lacking debian magic patches? ;)
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14:39<wysiwyg111>this room is awesome. i'm loving it here. would be interested in taking everyone's suggestions on irssi, but would like to get off of this windows box and onto the debian with all you fine folks there with me. :-)
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14:39<enouf>nlewycky_: i cannot answer that - however , i can't help without a _base_
14:40<nlewycky_>fair enough. i don't think there's any reason i can't use debian kernels at this point.
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14:40<enouf>nlewycky_: atleast .. just to "test" out what's wrong
14:40<wysiwyg111>enouf: so, this must sound real dumb, but what would one do with the WE and WM startup files? REAL n00b to the debian giu
14:40<enouf>nlewycky_: i.e., to eliminate any possible kernel options
14:41<enouf>wysiwyg111: no not dumb at all
14:41<nlewycky_>enouf: well, i was thinking i should check my Kconfig and verify i didn't do something retarded like disable evdev
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14:41<enouf>wysiwyg111: it's a DM+DE usually ..--or-- a WM ;-)
14:41<wysiwyg111>enouf: heh heh. my fingers are sticky too
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14:41<enouf>nlewycky_: just boot a debian kernel and come back
14:42<nlewycky_># CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV is not set!
14:42<nlewycky_>enouf: i'll try that second. i won't bother you again unless i'm running a debian kernel and it's broken.
14:43<tCzern>hello, I need to add a line in etc/ When I open the file I see "include /etc/*.conf" and I need to add /usr/local/lib. What is the correct syntax? Thanks!
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14:45<wysiwyg111>ok guys, you are all being wonderful, but can you dumb it down just a bit for me to get my ears wet? so, just installed a fresh debian last night, and need a bit more n00bish suggestions as to how to get an irc client running in the gui. have never used a *nix gui before. all my *nix experience was entirely console based
14:46<enouf>$ grep CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV /boot/config-`uname -r`
14:46<enouf>nlewycky_: ^^^^
14:46<enouf>Debian kernel
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14:47<enouf>wysiwyg111: suggest you do /msg dpkg grounding (in your irc client)
14:47<nlewycky_>enouf: exactly. that's almost certainly the reason.
14:47<enouf>!tell wysiwyg111 -about msgthebot
14:48<enouf>nlewycky_: likely --> $ lsmod | grep evdev
14:48<enouf>evdev 8160 4
14:48<tuxcrafter>hi all how do i clean out my debian packages cache?
14:48<tuxcrafter>i want to be sure that my apt repo is still working
14:48<enouf>nlewycky_: i use ps/2 only - though one is on an adapter (usb->ps/2)
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14:49<enouf>tuxcrafter: what?
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14:49<enouf>man apt-get -- see autoclean an
14:49<nlewycky_>enouf: once i've verified that it is, i'll close the bug report with the fact that it's user error, and include enough detail in case anyone else hits it.
14:49<enouf>nlewycky_: that would be really nice ...
14:49<enouf>nlewycky_: when you filed, were you using a Debian kernel?
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14:50<enouf>if not, then _that's_ why i would suyspect 'no reply'
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14:50<enouf>(not that 'no reply' is appropriate .. and not in all instances)
14:51<wysiwyg111>enouf: that is really cool. thx. beginning to sort some of this flood of info out.
14:51<enouf>nlewycky_: and no, i'm not a DD nor even a maintainer - just a inspired enthusiast ;-)
14:51<nlewycky_>enouf: no, i've been running custom kernels since about '96, before i ever used debian
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14:51<enouf>nlewycky_: besides, you nailed it ... and .. with lshal, i can't figure out where the F my 'smbios' info went to ;-)
14:51<nlewycky_>enouf: and thanks for your help, btw! i didn't know about consolekit :)
14:52<tuxcrafter>enouf: i think i am pretty sure my debian repo got corrupted only a few packages seems to be still there
14:52<enouf>nlewycky_: i only know about it, .. well, cause .. 65 instances were always running whenever i reboot :-P
14:52<enouf>nlewycky_: i had to find out about it ;-)
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14:53<tuxcrafter>ah this is wierd
14:53<enouf>nlewycky_: welcome - nice to meet you -- i felt bad at first that no reply was given to your bug report
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14:53<enouf>nlewycky_: it's hard enough to get people to even file bugs .. since they usually need to know how to setup their Mail .. locally .. prior .. uff
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14:54<nlewycky_>enouf: heh. yes, that is not a problem for me.
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14:54<enouf>nlewycky_: i personally fall into that category ... snail mail scares me -- and email "server" even more
14:54<nlewycky_>i quite *enjoy* filing bugs, actually
14:55<enouf>i do too .. however, it's irony, since i realized after many times, _some_ PEBKAC was involved in most :-P
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14:55<nlewycky_>yeah, as in the case with this bug. oh well.
14:56<enouf>tuxcrafter: you need to put forward some facts and info and error messages
14:56<enouf>nlewycky_: hey -- we've ALL been there ...
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15:01<nlewycky_>sweet! all better.
15:01<tuxcrafter>enouf: i never now what to do with thowe reprepro errors
15:02<nlewycky_>enouf: it's working perfectly now. thanks! take care.
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15:02<tuxcrafter>i always try all kind of commands in man reprepro but they never seem to do what i hoped
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15:03<tuxcrafter>enouf: do you know how to remove that version of the package there is a newer version
15:03<tuxcrafter>and it seems that only a few packages are being found by the clients that use the repos
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15:05<wekt>I'm running squeeze/testing. metacity (Gnome WM) consumes all available CPU. Do others here witness the same behaviour? I don't see a bug filed for this under
15:05<wekt>Otherwise metacity seems to be working ok.
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15:10<enouf>tuxcrafter: sorry - i can't help
15:10<tuxcrafter>enouf: ok thanks for trying
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15:13<wysiwyg111>i can tell i am going to be fun for you guys in this room for a bit. queue the n00b jokes. :-) how do access the screen saver interface? every time i turn around, i have to log back in via the screen saver interface. whish to just turn it off for now.
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15:16<wysiwyg111>thx slurb. actually just decided to uncheck "lock screen when screen saver active"
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15:21<wekt>after rebooting, metacity is no longer consuming all CPU.
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15:23<resmo>hey guys, good job. upgrading to lenny worked like a charm! thanks and keep going.
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15:26<wekt>What program is responsible for resuming at boot? I get a prompt to enter a resume source or press enter to continue booting.
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15:27<wekt>Aha! it might be pm-utils .
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15:31<wekt>oh no! HAL depends on pm-utils.
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15:48<dpkg>gentoo is, like, a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than two of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See also or ask me about <greenhouse>. , or rice rice rice rice, or, or <funroll-loops>, or #gentoo @
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15:48<dpkg>-funroll-loops is a favorite compile time flag of the -O9999999 crowd. It's also an interesting collection of observations about the "compile everything with random CFLAGS" phenomenon which is sweeping the land, and which <Gentoo> is a prime example. See
15:48*dpkg fertilizes the channel
15:49<dpkg>bsd is, like, read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people, or dying
15:49<dpkg>arch is probably a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system. Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at, or, or #arch Under lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>.
15:49<lhx>!arch linux
15:49<dpkg>Arch Linux is an a i686 optimized linux distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary and source based package management. #archlinux on
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15:50<wekt>Most projects start out as 'minimalistic'.
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15:51<t>and end up as bloatware?
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15:53<overflow>hey does dpkg respoding :INFOBOT:QUERY queries? he did it the first time but not anymore..
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15:54<wysiwyg111>wekt,t: indeed, the bloatware grows to fill all available space. plus a few meg
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16:15<ArcherSeven>I cannot find any of the testing isos/jigdo ... things.
16:15<ArcherSeven>Are they down/ the site mislinking?
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16:17*vook doesn't understand what dpkg has against gEnT00! It's just too c0o!
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16:22<vook>then again - it's a piece of work. It has it's place in the Linux world - and a nice live-cd to bote.
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16:30<wekt>I think it would be great if Debian were to incorporate/merge the alternative Gentoo package manager Paludis. Nice web site too.
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16:32<wekt>Being able to install from the source is great. You can control your dependencies at build time too.
16:33<worr>It'd be nice if apt-build were anything like portage
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16:35<craigevil>you can control depends when doing apt-get build-dep packagename, but how often do people running debian need to build from source, in 5 yrs i havent had to compile anything other than madwifi and nvidia drivers
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16:41<wekt>you can eliminate many things by using the word "need". There have been times when I met bad dependencies in debian, whether it's purely packaging or compile dependencies or other, I don't know. I once only wanted konsole from KDE and got xine-libs and all sorts of other things. It is often possible to build without certain options. Perhaps the weaker or older the hardware the more one needs to
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16:54<Bimbo>Hello. I'm new to debian and would like to learn something.
16:55<Bimbo>Why my mouse driver works now
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16:56<Bimbo>I have a thinkpad Model R31, very old stuff. As I used Debian sarge my mouse driver didn't work quiet well. Sometimes it mouse spontanously in different directions. After upgrading my system to debian lenny my mouse driver works quiet well. Can I see why?
16:57<Bimbo>My mouse is this stuff with the track point in the middle.
16:58<sney^>probably just the newer X release
16:58<sney^>they gradually fix things like that over time
16:58<sney^>though I'm surprised even Sarge didn't work, since older thinkpads typically work very will with linux
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16:59<wekt>Like this vino-server with network port listening to all the Internet. I don't want that, yet it is part of Gnome and I can't remove it without breaking packages.
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16:59<Bimbo>what is the X thing. I'm beginner in Linux and debian.
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17:00<Bimbo>I know only it works for the graphical inteface
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17:00<sney^>yes, X is the basis of the graphical interface
17:00<dpkg>X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.4. Ask me about <install x> if you are using Debian Etch or later. Ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. #xorg on
17:00<Jason1>I need to figure out how to monitor the cpu load and network load chart, I already set it up, but I'd need more information
17:01<wekt>Bimbo: there are different devices under /dev/ which represent the mouse. there is /dev/psaux and then there are the more modern 'event' devices.
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17:01<wekt>Bimbo: if you read those as files, they give information from the mouse.
17:02<Bimbo>wekt: where I can see what devices my mouse use? What are event devices
17:02<Jason1>I suggest you to read the manual
17:02<Jason1>it helps me
17:03<sney^>Bimbo: has a lot of things you can read about how linux works
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17:03<Bimbo>Why in /dev there are so much devices. Can I control in anyway how much entry this directory have or is that something that the debian installation did?
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17:03<dpkg>[udev] /dev/ and hotplug management daemon. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15. Ask me about <z25>, <udev rules>, <udev details>, <.dev>.
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17:06<Bimbo>dpkg: what means the <..> brackets? no idea how to interpret this?
17:06<dpkg>Bimbo: I give up, what is it?
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17:07<Bimbo>ok. I will google it, sorry
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17:08<worr>Bimbo: those are other ! commands you can give to dpkg to find out more
17:08<worr>kinda like a see also section
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17:09<worr>!udev rules
17:09<dpkg>file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or or read it online at
17:10<Bimbo>My idea about the mouse driver is: is that a module and where can find the module that belong to it. Is there are filename that I can catch. I would like to invert the mouse movement. When I want that my mouse go up, it should go down vice versa
17:11<Bimbo>worr: what means "!"?
17:11<worr>Bimbo: dpkg is a bot, and if you do an ! before certain words, dpkg will tell you about them
17:12<worr>so if you wanna know about udev, you do !udev and dpkg tells you about it
17:12<Bimbo>worr: uuuh...
17:12<noflash>or you /msg dpkg so you don't spew to the channel
17:12<Bimbo>noflash: thanks
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17:14<dpkg>[debian] See
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17:22<Bimbo>!udev details
17:22<dpkg>udev details is, like, See for all the details.
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17:24<dpkg>[.dev] an old by-product of <udev> moved to /dev/.static/dev/ . The /dev/.static/dev/ hack was removed from udev at 0.124-1:
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17:43<Sam0>xinetd is still used nowadays or is there a better alternative out there?
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17:45<DeepDayze>its still out there, but not many people use it now
17:45<DeepDayze>on my lenny box, it is not installed
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17:45<Bimbo>which irc clients you are using? I try to work with irssi but it doesn't fit to me.
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17:46<DeepDayze>a good X client is Konversation if you use KDE...xchat works too for other environments
17:46<worr>I've used xinetd recently
17:46<Sam0>for server use, is it stil in use? in their webpage the last mod was on 2005
17:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 429] by debhelper
17:47<worr>I think it's the preferred alternative to inetd still.
17:47<Bimbo>what about kopete or something like that. I would also like to have an IRC client which work with ICQ because some friends are using ICQ
17:47<Sam0>ok, thanks I was thinking that maybe there was a better or more recent version
17:48<Bimbo>I know ICQ is maybe here dismissed. But some friends are only windows users
17:48<worr>Sam0: it worked well enough for me when I used it
17:48<worr>I used it for rarpd and tftpd
17:50<DeepDayze>pidgin's a good client for chat
17:50<DeepDayze>AIM, MSN, ICQ, Yahoo...
17:50<worr>DeepDayze: not for IRC
17:50<DeepDayze>think there is an IRC plugin for it
17:50<worr>there is, but it doesn't offer the kinda functionality a dedicated IRC client does
17:51<DeepDayze>its a basic IRC client that the plugin provides
17:51<DeepDayze>good for some basic IRC chats
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17:52<DeepDayze>like chatzilla is a basic IRC client extension in iceweasel/firefox
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17:53<craigevil>you can also use an irc client like konversation , xchat, with bitlbee which does yahoo/msn/aim/icq
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17:56<valdyn>Bimbo: pidgin supports it all
17:56<valdyn>Bimbo: but IM clients are seriously inferiour for irc compared to proper irc clients
17:57<Bimbo>yes, I think that is the point there a difference between an IM and a IRC network, isn't it?
17:58<valdyn>Bimbo: some people use bitlebee to get everything in their irc client
17:58<valdyn>Bimbo: *bitlbee* even
17:58<Bimbo>valdyn: what means that?
17:58<valdyn>Bimbo: not really, irc is just made by and for geeks, allows alot more things
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17:59<DeepDayze>but there are simple clients that make it easy for people to IRC
17:59<valdyn>Bimbo: bitlbee is a gateway for irc clients to connect to various IM networks
17:59<Bimbo>valdyn: thanks
17:59<DeepDayze>there are several text based clients too
17:59<DeepDayze>useful when you can't start X and need help
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18:00<knithx>Hello! Everytime I open a console my default directory seems to be ~/Desktop, when it was always ~/.
18:00<knithx>How can I change it back?
18:01<valdyn>knithx: you mean when you open a terminal
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18:02<knithx>valdyn: yes
18:03<Bimbo>what i a basic IRC client. What does a basic IRC don't have compared to a normal IRC client?
18:03<Bimbo>knithx: maybe .bashrc?
18:03<valdyn>Bimbo: normal irc clients like irssi are scriptable and have gazillions of scripts for anything imaginable
18:04<craigevil>Bimbo: what desktop are you using? konversation in kde is nice, xchat in others
18:04<Bimbo>i will try to use awesome. Actually I'm working with gnome
18:04<valdyn>Bimbo: while pidgin probably offers only basic irc features
18:04<craigevil>Bimbo: im lazy i just use chatzilla in firefox with bitlbee so i can IM on yahoo/msn/icq at the same time
18:04<valdyn>Bimbo: *most* irc clients are scriptable though
18:05<Bimbo>valdyn: so irssi isn't a basic IRC client?
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18:05<valdyn>Bimbo: no, irssi has everything
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18:06<dpkg>methinks irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read . See also . #irssi on and
18:06<Sam0>after a simple google: knithx: I put 'cd Desktop' into ~/.bashrc (which I had to make), and now whenever I use xterm or gnome-terminal, it defaults to my Desktop.
18:06<Sam0>so put the cd wherever
18:06<dpkg>well, weechat is a light and extensible irc client that promises a lot, and has some unique features like console nick list and horizontally split windows.
18:07<narcan>rhoo no weechat is the best !
18:08<valdyn>Bimbo: you need to make up your mind of you need a GUI irc client or not, makes choice alot easier
18:08<Bimbo>valdyn: so the diffenence between a basic and a normal irssi is more the possiblity to extent it with scripts etc. and not the basic functionality of an IRC client. Sorry, for pointing this out. But I'm not the best, intuitive computer thinker.
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18:09<Bimbo>valdyn: I try to build bridges to understand the things
18:09<valdyn>Bimbo: yea, just that you meant irc client where you said irssi
18:09<valdyn>Bimbo: certainly most people also need scripts already to be available, since they cant or dont want to write them
18:09<lhx>irssi roxors my boxors like a petite blowoxer
18:09<Bimbo>valdyn: ok, ok. thanks
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18:13<Bimbo>valyn: I would like a GUI ICR client. I would like to organize which what people I'm talking now. I would also like to have an better overview of possible channels I can visit. And also I would reall, really like to get more lines, when Im typing a long message in the .... (i don't know the name) - line. Actually when typing long lines everything switch to the left to get more space.
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18:13<valdyn>Bimbo: in gnome?
18:14<valdyn>Bimbo: aptitude install xchat-gnome
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18:17<Bimbo>valdyn: damn. Differnt problem. My amount of disk-space left are 577MB. apt-get install tells me, that I have different dependecies open. Somthing with ument dependencies is standing there. What means unment
18:18<Bimbo>try apt-get -f install is the answer of my try
18:20<knithx>Sam0: thx
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18:20<DeepDayze>hi seem familiar
18:21<Bimbo>valdyn: I will clean-up my system about packages I don't need. Also I will read more about irssi to customize to my needs. Thanks first.
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18:36<Sam0>Do you think is a good practice to install a desktop environment to a server?
18:36<Sam0>or always keep it with terminal and ssh only?
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18:38<ml|>imho i see no need for X on a server, but it's up to you
18:38<noflash>if it's a server...why would you need a desktop?
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18:38<SQlvpapir_>Sam0: personally I would keep it headless anyway
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18:39<enouf>nice nick Bimbo .. how'd you ever think of such a shitfaced nickname?
18:40<abrotman>wow .. big words from enouf
18:41<Sam0>i was just thinking, the GI doesn't take too much resources in modern cpus
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18:42<Sam0>but wanted to hear opinions
18:44<enouf>abrotman: you got a prob with enouf? .. huh?! .. huh??!!! HUH!!!???
18:45<DeepDayze>nice nick
18:45<Hideo>enouf has had ENOUGH
18:45<enouf>Hideo: /msg dpkg enouf
18:46<enouf>!congratulate Hideo
18:46<dpkg>Woohoo Hideo, you did it!
18:46<Hideo>yes, where is my cookie?
18:46<enouf>Hideo: look to the webcoding monkeys for those
18:46<ml|>you gets none ;)
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18:47<enouf>Hideo: i'm sure a place like google has way more than they need ;-)
18:47<enouf>!pony Hideo
18:47*dpkg gives Hideo a pony
18:47<enouf>'s that?
18:47<Hideo>no, I want a unicorn!
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18:48<enouf>!spikesmite Hideo
18:48*abrotman moves them to #debian-offtopic
18:48<ml|>but a pony is better!
18:48<enouf>!nopony ml|
18:48<enouf>abrotman: stop .. just for a bit .. it'll fade .. i promise .. atleast this 'group'
18:49<abrotman>no, it won't
18:49<enouf>fuck you then
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18:50<abrotman>enouf: take a timeout
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18:50<DeepDayze>enough from enouf
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18:51<craigevil>he's been on a roll since last night
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18:52<DeepDayze>bet he's on 24x7
18:52<DeepDayze>about time a mod muzzled him
18:52<DeepDayze>at least just silence him...didn't have to ban him
18:52<Rick>anyone know how to get intel wifi link 5100 agn to work in backtrck 4
18:52<themill>Rick: you'd have to ask them.
18:52<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), formerly <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #remote-exploit on See also <based on debian>.
18:52<craigevil>Rick: try asking in #remote-exploit on freenode
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19:04<ml|>craigevil: how is opendns working for you now?
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19:06<SuperMiguel>any good windows 2003 irc chanel?
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19:07<Hideo>maybe you're asking the wrong people?
19:07<SuperMiguel>maybe :)
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19:07<SuperMiguel>maybe not
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19:10<DeepDayze>lol SuperMiguel
19:10<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
19:11<Guest547>any young girls
19:11<Sam0>Why don't you take a seat right over there
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19:12<themill>Guest547: wrong channel. Do you have a debian-support related question?
19:12<@abrotman>Guest547: you're in the wrong place
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19:15<craigevil>ml|: just fine :)
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19:16<ml|>same here seems a bit more responsive
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19:19<hobophobe>I'm trying to migrate my debian installation to a new hard drive. I've copied the data, and I've installed grub. Problem is, when I try to boot from the new hard drive it's still pointing to the old one?
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19:21<hobophobe>My guess is that either grub is using the uuid or the initrd.img uses the device? How do I install grub on that disk so it will properly boot?
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19:22<DeepDayze>you'd need to recreate the initrd i believe
19:22<DeepDayze>so that it picks up the new drive
19:23<happydufus>hobophobe: boot orer of hd's is normally controlled by the bios
19:23<hobophobe>Okay, and then update grub for that disk? I'll read up on that.
19:24<DeepDayze>should not hurt to update grub...just to make sure grub's sane
19:25<hobophobe>happydufus, yes. I have changed the boot order appropriately.
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19:25<@abrotman>hobophobe: can you manually tell grub how to boot when the machine starts ?
19:25<hobophobe>I'm not sure I understand. I can edit the entries, if that's what you mean?
19:25<hobophobe>or go into the grub shell?
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19:25<@abrotman>yes .. at the grub shell .. can you get the system booted if you enter the correct values ?
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19:27<hobophobe>I haven't tried that directly, but I believe it boots into the old system because when I did go into the shell it listed hd0 as the new disk, and the entry I used in grub also used hd0?
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19:29<@abrotman>remove the old HDD ?
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19:29<hobophobe>It has /home on it, but I could create a temporary /home on the new one until I can work out the issue I guess.
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19:31<hobophobe>Will grub see the hard drives in the same order regardless of which drive it boots from? hd0 = sda = same actual drive?
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19:34<hobophobe>I'm going to try rebooting again and try to boot from the grub shell
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19:45<Bimbo>which command I can use to see which debian release I'm using. I try uname -a but this doesn't give me the information i need. In my sources.list I have as entry: deb .... stable
19:46<craigevil>Bimbo: cat /etc/debian_version
19:46<ml|>lsb_release -a
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19:47<craigevil>ml|: that doesnt always work, not sure what package that needs but its not installed by default or it didnt used to be
19:48<ml|>hmm, i did not install it
19:48<craigevil>Package: lsb-release
19:48<craigevil>Priority: extra
19:48<craigevil>Section: misc
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19:49<Bimbo>both works. Thanks. With lsb_release -a i got more information. Quiet sure.
19:50<Bimbo>because of the -a option
19:50<Bimbo>i think
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19:55<ml|>craigevil: yeah i see that, seems to be a part of some python stuff
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19:57<Bimbo>is lsb_release a debian specific command or can I find it in all distributions
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19:58<Bimbo>How can i see that a command is debian specific like update-rc.d
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20:03<craigevil>Bimbo: Homepage:
20:03<Bimbo>craigevil: thanks
20:03<hobophobe>So apparently update-grub didn't update the "linux /boot/vmlinuz... root=UUID=" uuid value, though it did update the 'search ... --fs-uuid --set' uuid. I manually changed it and it did in fact boot from the new drive
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20:05<hobophobe>Interesting, when I just ran update-grub from the new drive the entries it found for the old drive use root=/dev/sdX instead of the UUIDs
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20:06<Bimbo>One question to my package database. I'm debian beginner. Is there a possiblity to see this packagedatabase. My idea is that I have in the background something like mysql or an excelspreadsheet where I can see the entries
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20:07<Bimbo>I mean the packagedatabase which belongs to apt-get update
20:07<kingsley>Bimbo: Type this at the command line... dpkg -l | less
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20:07<kingsley>Bimbo: It will show you all the installed packages.
20:08<Bimbo>is that really the query to get the content. Is the nothing which I cango deeper.
20:09<Bimbo>I think about: When you work with mysql you can setup tables with the TABLE command. There you have an DataModel then. I would like to see this Model resp. this table entries.
20:10<Bimbo>Only to know that everythings works like I'm thinking
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20:12<craigevil>dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile will give you a text file with your installed packages
20:12<dpkg>craigevil: You are person #4 to send an unparseable request
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20:13<kingsley>Bimbo: You can browse through more details by typing this at the command line ... aptitude
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20:13<Bimbo>i don't like aptitude. I would like to work with the apt-get etc. commands.
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20:14<phorce1>Bimbo: it's not a database, it's a flast text file. Go look all you want. /var/lib/dpkg/status
20:14<amphi>!tell Bimbo -about why aptitude
20:14<wysiwyg111>hey again everybody. could anyone give a n00b some help loading xchat or another irc client on a fresh debian install?
20:14<Bimbo>btw. aptitude also retrieve the data from the database. And i would like to see the database
20:14<@abrotman>wysiwyg111: aptitude install xchat
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20:14<wysiwyg111>i have found a couple xchat references in the system, but don't see an executable.
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20:15<wysiwyg111>oh, thanks abrotman. will try that. i can run that from the root terminal interface?
20:15<kingsley>wysiwyg111: You can install xchat by typing the following at root's command line ... apt-get install xchat
20:15<@abrotman>you shouldn't irc as root
20:15<@abrotman>!tell kingsley about why aptitude
20:16<bremner>He means aptitude as root
20:16<@abrotman>wysiwyg111: oh yes .. you install it as root
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20:16<wysiwyg111>ok you guys. thanks. i will go do that and let you know how it goes. back in a bit.
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20:17<Bimbo>ok. I looked at /var/lib/dpkg/ directory. comparing the file available and status there is no big difference. Available has 1403 entries and status 1595. What does that mean?
20:18<Bimbo>For me available sounds like: "this are the packages you could get from the repos under sources.list" But this doesn't would fit with the status entries, which a little bit öonger
20:19<Bimbo>phorcel: so apt-get etc. works with file-databases
20:19<phorce1>Bimbo: I have no idea. I just know it's there. *I* use 'dpkg -l' 'apt-cache search' to see whats out there. Trying to dig that info out of text files when there are frontends available is a bit redundant
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20:22<Bimbo>phorcel: You are right: But because I'm beginnger I like to understand what is under the hood. I don't like to work with things that are alwaya working.
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20:23<bremner>Bimbo: apt-get source dpkg
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20:23<craigevil>why make it more difficult than it has to be, it works leave it at that :)
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20:23<Bimbo>phorcel: what could the status file under /var/lib/dpkg means? I don't have an assoziation to this name?
20:23<voipzapper>wow. thanks guys. that seemed to work pretty well. finished installing xchat and am now here on the linux box voipzapper - was still on as wysiwyg111 over on my windows box
20:24<Bimbo>bremner: ;-)
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20:24<bremner>Bimbo: I'm serious. I think that is the only real documentation for the low level questions you are asking
20:24<bremner>I could be wrong of course
20:24<voipzapper>this seems like a slightly better client than the firefox irc addon
20:26<voipzapper>abrotman: does the green dot next to your nick mean you are an "op"?
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20:26<abrotman>yes .. and i shouldn't have left my hat on
20:26<bremner>Bimbo: just look at /var/lib/dpkg/status with more, you will see what it is.
20:26<lhx>voipzapper: learn to use irssi... and you'll wonder why you ever used anything else...
20:27<Bimbo>bremner: looks like the same entry like in availabel (I mean the structure). I will try a diff
20:28<bremner>yeah, one tells which are available to install, one which are installed. Try to guess which is which :)
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20:28<voipzapper>lhx: i am running on a pretty limited amount of diskspace on this system for the moment. i would be interested in looking at it soon, but i have more immediate issues with this system first. thanks
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20:29<voipzapper>now that i am here on this system, my questions will be easier than using walknet over to my windows box. :-)
20:30<phorce1>Bimbo: use auto nick completion in your IRC client. My nick isn't phorceL, it's phorce1 <--- number 1. I walk away from the keyboard a lot and I'm missing the lines you're highlighting with my nick
20:30<Bimbo>aaahh. ;-) from the first view. available do a protocol about the status of the package like: purge ok not-installed, install ok installed. What status means I don't know
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20:31<bremner>Bimbo: I think you mixed the two up, or your system is different than mine
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20:32<voipzapper>low level question for everyone: i have to ethernet cards in this machine. they show up as eth0 and eth1 with lo being the loopback. i can see lo and eth1 in applications -> system tools -> network tools -> devices but not eth0. also, i can't browse when the net is plugged into the card that is assigned as eth0. any thoughts?
20:32<Bimbo>bremner: Ok. I will chekc it tomorrow
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20:33<Bimbo>phorcel1: sorry, I will try to fix it.
20:33<voipzapper>really need to access devices simultaneously on eth0 and eth1
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20:36<phorce1>Bimbo: do a dpkg -l|less ---- read the top 2 lines. That explains what the STATUS line in /var/lib/dpkg/status mean
20:36<voipzapper>is there a way to tell telnet which ethernet device to use?
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20:38<bremner>voipzapper: the route command maps addresses to interfaces
20:38<voipzapper>thx bremner
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20:48<damiank>i just installed debian lenny in an old pc
20:48<damiank>i cant make it to work in 1024x768 pixels
20:48<damiank>any idea?
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20:49<damiank>i think i need a new xorg.conf file but i have no idea how to make it
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20:49<sney^>damiank: google "xorg.conf resolution", there's a page in the gentoo handbook that shows how to do it.
20:49<sney^>I've been meaning to put it in the debian wiki but I keep forgetting. >_>
20:50<damiank>sney i tried everything i even used the mode lines but it keeps loading at 800x600
20:50<damiank>its an old sis6326 board
20:51<sney^>and you're sure it supports 1024x768?
20:51<damiank>its working at 1024x768 in mandriva linux
20:51<damiank>but i want to get rid of the hd where mandriva is and keep only debian
20:51<sney^>look at mandriva's xorg.conf, maybe it has some clues
20:52<damiank>i copied it but it works at 800x600 :)
20:52<damiank>debian 3 works at 1024x768 too
20:52<sney^>can you post it on
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20:54<abrotman>damiank: lspci | grep VGA .. what is that line ?
20:54<sney^>ofcourse .net, my bad
20:54<damiank>i have it on my web,
20:54<damiank>take a look
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20:55<sney^>quick fix:
20:55<sney^>take out all of the resolutions other than the one you want
20:55<sney^>so instead of Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
20:55<sney^>just Modes "1024x768"
20:56<damiank>wait a sec
20:57<damiank>ill log out a min to test it ill be right back
20:57<abrotman>damiank: lspci | grep VGA .. what is that line ?
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21:06<damiank>i removed all modes but that didnt work
21:06<damiank>it started in 800x600 again
21:06<damiank>one thing i noted is that mandriva uses the "vesa" driver instead of the "sis" used by debian
21:06<damiank>how can i force debian to use "vesa"?
21:07<abrotman>damiank: which version of debian si this?
21:07<abrotman>damiank: lspci | grep VGA .. what is that line ?
21:07<damiank>its lenny
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21:08<damiank>i downloaded it yesterday
21:08<Hideo>damiank: and ... that's the 3rd time abrotman asked you the same question and you never answered
21:09<damiank>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 86C326 5598/6326 (rev c3
21:09<abrotman>oh ffs
21:09<abrotman>damiank: can you do the lspci -nn | grep VGA ?
21:10<sney^>damiank: to force it to use "vesa", under the Device section put Driver "vesa"
21:10<damiank>that line outputs the same
21:10<damiank>my xorg.conf is empty
21:10<damiank>by default
21:10<sney^>X -configure
21:10<sney^>will generate a basic xorg.conf
21:10<sney^>and the syntax is universal so you can just write new lines based on where the lines were in the other one
21:11<damiank>ill try that again
21:11<abrotman>damiank: it's not the same line ...
21:11<damiank>abrotman with -nn i got the same output
21:11<abrotman>sney^: that's his problem .. he's trying to specify stuff .. the lenny xorg probably knows better than he does
21:11<damiank>ill try again
21:11<abrotman>damiank: no, you didn't
21:11<damiank>i got this:
21:11<damiank>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 86C326 5598/6326 (rev c3
21:12<sney^>abrotman: it's old hardware, the lenny xorg already has an established history of not knowing what's up with old hardware
21:12<abrotman>damiank: it says more than that
21:12<abrotman>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device [8086:3582] (rev 01)
21:12<sney^>the lenny xorg works very well with the more modern commonplace stuff, but that sis chip is.. different
21:12<abrotman>like that
21:12<abrotman>sney^: do you know that it is even capable of 1024? what about at his chosen bit depth ?
21:12<damiank>ill do it again
21:12<damiank>its capable
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21:13<damiank>it runs at 1024x768x24bpp in windows
21:13<sney^>his mandriva install was running at 1024
21:13<damiank>and in mandriva
21:13<damiank>so its capable
21:13<damiank>its an 8mb card
21:13<damiank>old, but it works
21:13<abrotman>you don't even know it's the same driver
21:13<damiank>mandriva detected it as VESA
21:13<damiank>thats why i asked how to make debian use VESA
21:13<abrotman>anyways .. where's that lspci -nn | grep VGA ?
21:14<damiank>heres the output
21:14<damiank>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 86C326 5598/6326 [1039:6326] (rev c3)
21:15<damiank>thats with -nn
21:15<abrotman>damiank: if you mv your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bkup .. and try to start X again .. what happens ?
21:15<sney^>yeah, those numbers in the brackets are what abrotman is looking for... I'm not sure why exactly, but there you go
21:15<damiank>if i leave the xorg.conf empty (like it was in the first place) it starts at 800x600x24xbpp
21:16<damiank>if i put my own xorg.conf from mandriva, it does the same
21:16<sney^>Try Driver "vesa" instead of Driver "sis"
21:16<abrotman>did you try 1024x768x16bpp ?
21:16<damiank>abrotman ill try to force it to 16bpp
21:16<damiank>but if it worked on others it should on debian right?
21:16<sney^>the xorg.conf you showed us earlier had DefaultDepth 16
21:17<damiank>sney i kwnoi
21:17<sney^>so were you not actually using that one?
21:17<damiank>i know i was trying to get 1024x768x16bpp
21:17<damiank>i used the same with default 24
21:17<abrotman>and if you use a blank xorg.conf .. does xrandr give you optoins ?
21:17<damiank>i dont know whats xrandr is
21:17<abrotman>how do you know it was 24bpp ?
21:17<abrotman>it's a program
21:17<damiank>abrotman i change the defaultdepth
21:18<damiank>when i leave it as default i dont know if its 24bpp
21:18<damiank>i think it should
21:18<damiank>(pictures look nicer)
21:18<abrotman>i think you should leave it blank and look at xrandr
21:18<abrotman>or at least show us the output of what it says
21:18<damiank>ill tell you
21:19<damiank>this is what it tells:
21:19<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
21:19<damiank>Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 800 x 600, maximum 800 x 600
21:19<damiank>default connected 800x600+0+0 0mm x 0mm
21:19<damiank> 800x600 60.0* 56.0
21:19<damiank> 640x480 60.0
21:19<damiank> 400x300 60.0 56.0
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21:19<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
21:19<damiank>oh i cant paste here :)
21:20<damiank>i have to go out my wifes calling
21:20<damiank>be back later
21:20<damiank>and try again :)
21:20<damiank>thanks all for your help
21:20<damiank>ill leave this open
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22:41<Slurb>not a word in over an hour
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22:48<sney^>people avoid this place on sundays
22:48<sney^>even though the trolls have gotten less predictable
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22:56<mosno>sney^: it's Monday here, you insensitive clod!
22:57<sney^>time zones
22:57<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
22:57<dpkg>Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday
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22:57<dpkg>[tuesday] soylent green day
22:57<sney^>it's people
22:57<sney^>don't worry abrotman I'm sure some newb will show up so you can confuse them
22:58<abrotman>sney^: if you want to goof off, go to #debian-offtopic
22:59<euzao>hello, tell me, you really love opensource software, free software of course
22:59<sney^>I find that much of it suits my purposes, but I won't get all political about it.
22:59<euzao>what would be the problem with Firefox... is the fact it does contain non-free software or it does "recommend" people USE non-free software?
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22:59<abrotman>!why firefox
22:59<abrotman>!why iceweasel
22:59<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>.
23:00<euzao>I know that Free Software Foundation doesn't recommend the use of Mozilla license
23:00<stew>debian has no problem with the Mozilla Public License
23:01<sney^>firefox is getting a little clunky anyway, webkit is the future
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23:01<DeepDayze>webkit is the way
23:01<DeepDayze>and chrome uses it
23:02<abrotman>google ?
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23:02<euzao>sney, Firefox is awesome
23:03<euzao>I prefer SeaMonkey, but it is ok
23:03<sney^>I don't remember offhand which license google uses for their open sourcery
23:03*Kryptik prefers opera
23:03*sney^ shuns Kryptik
23:03*Kryptik doesn't really care.
23:03*sney^ neither
23:03<sney^>just playing along
23:04<Kryptik>Standardization is more important than the lisence to me.
23:04<sney^>I use firefox (er, iceweasel) on my debian install and chrome on windows. I have the chrome alpha installed on debian, but it lacks support for some important things
23:04<euzao>I don't like Chrome
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23:05<Kryptik>I have chrome, opera, ff, & ie.
23:05<euzao>I've been using Mozilla since 2001
23:05<euzao>I'm VERY used with it
23:05<Kryptik>I just prefer a browser that is geared towards standardization.
23:05<sney^>Midori is a GTK+ browser that uses webkit, it's fast like chrome but has a more traditional experience
23:05<euzao>I remember when I tried Mozilla 0.9 with Netscape 6
23:06<euzao>Netscape old times... good!
23:06<sney^>heh netscape
23:06*sney^ has flashbacks to the old internet
23:06<Kryptik>webkit is os x?
23:06<euzao>Netscape 9 was ok
23:06<euzao>it seemed to be faster than Firefox
23:06<euzao>sadly it is dead
23:07<Kryptik>gogo proprietary software.
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23:07<euzao>is there opensource hardware?
23:07<sney^>webkit is related to safari somehow, but the renderer must be F/OSS for there to be other browsers using it
23:07<DeepDayze>safari is webkit based I believe
23:07<DeepDayze>and apple really makes use of safari
23:07<banished>Hi, I wonder when there will be iceweasel/firefox 3.5 in unstable - it was released almost a month ago
23:07<sney^>euzao: there was some UltraSparc stuff that I remember. the problem with open source hardware is that someone still needs to make it
23:08<DeepDayze>iceweasel 3.5 is in experimental right now
23:08<kop>euzao : Yes, but it's offtopic.
23:09<euzao>kop, depends of the point of view
23:09<Kryptik>if you mean it depends on who can bullshit the best, yeah.
23:09<Kryptik>standardization is important, period.
23:10<Kryptik>the more proprietary hardware you get, the less compatible things are
23:10<sney^>if I had my own computer factory I would make debian computers based on open source hardware
23:10<sney^>but I don't.
23:10<euzao>sney, they would be cheaper
23:10<sney^>and besides, debian's UltraSparc support is kind of crappy.
23:10<Kryptik>however, the less proprietary hardware you make, the less competition there is and the less incentive there is to make a better machine than the next guy...
23:10<euzao>bring development, and make able to everyone have its own PCs, because they wouldn't pay nothing in royalties
23:10<euzao>yes, the same danger of communism
23:10<kop>sney: usrp, openmoko, beagleboard, see:
23:11<banished>may I ask what happened to the file choosing dialoge? In mozilla firefox, there is an image preview, the file chooser of iceweasel is rather spartan
23:11<Kryptik>kop: that's irrelevant.
23:11<sney^> see, this is what I was thinking of.
23:11<Kryptik>The point is that there's benefits and consequences of proprietary hardware.
23:12<sney^>though the "in" thing to do in hardware these days seems to be to license Intel stuff and put it in a pretty box
23:12<sney^>which is a step in the right direction if we're talking about having a clear standard
23:12<Kryptik>don't want something to get too big and don't want them to get too small either.
23:12<kop>Kryptik : You seem to have forgotten a fundimental principal of free markets, in a free market profit is driven to zero. Open source, including open hardware, makes for freer markets.
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23:13<euzao>well, the hardware technology may be free, but its quality won't
23:13<Kryptik>kop: you're an idiot. profit is not driven to zeron in a free market.
23:13<sney^>kop: speaking of off topic ...
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23:13<Kryptik>You're a communistic left winged nut.
23:13<sney^>whoa nellie easy with the ad hominems
23:13<euzao>wouldn't be like making copies of software... would need to have MORE control, and it wouldn't work
23:13<Kryptik>There are importance to both.
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23:14<kop>Kryptik : Wanna take it to #debian-offtopic?
23:14<Kryptik>kop: no, I want you to shut up and stay on topic.
23:14<kop>Kryptik : Tisk tisk.
23:14<Kryptik>kop: booh hoo.
23:15<euzao>common, you're grown ups.... Cold war is over
23:15<Kryptik>Let me go get my lunch money and my jacket and my backpack, I'll meet you in 3rd grade.
23:15<sney^>don't make me separate you two
23:15<kop>sney^ :)
23:15<Kryptik>not timeout, please.
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23:16<euzao>hhhahha, banished is funny
23:17<euzao>old anarchist phrase
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23:25<DeepDayze>old hat indeed
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23:27<euzao>ok, but I still need to get back to Debian
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23:46<Lenhix>Good night
23:47<Lenhix>How can I check a partition with fsck if it's part of an LVM?
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23:49<kop>Lenhix : You run fsck on the logical volume.
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23:50<kop>Lenhix : The device is /dev/volumegroupname/logicalvolumename
23:51<Lenhix>Thanks kop
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23:51<Lenhix>It'd be actually /dev/mapper/volgrpname/logvolname, right?
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23:59<kop>Lenhix : There are a number of paths you could use.
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