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---Logopened Mon Jul 27 00:00:59 2009
00:02<Hans_Henrik> ive came to this part however my /etc/X11/xorg.conf is COMPLETELY BLANK - should i be worried?
00:05<craigevil>Hans_Henrik: use X -configure then copy the that it creates to your xorg.conf
00:05<kop>Hans_Henrik : Probably not. But depending on the card and your needs you might consider just installing the free xserver-xorg-video-nv package and logging out and back in and be done with it.
00:06<Hans_Henrik>craigevil: last time i tried that, it just came up with an error
00:06<Hans_Henrik>craigevil: something about "invalid conf file" (tho it was BLANK!)
00:06<craigevil>X -configure will create a xorg.conf then you have to edit it so its has nvidia for the driver
00:07<Hans_Henrik>hmm k ill try
00:09<voipzapper>hello again all you wonderful debian dudes
00:10<voipzapper>so, if i were to need to see all the activity on an ethernet port on it's most low level possible, what would i use?
00:11<Hans_Henrik>nvidia-xconfig says "VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in /etc/X11/xorg.conf At least 1 device section is requred. - to be expected?
00:11<jmarsden>voipzapper: At its lowest level possible, an electron microscope :) Above that, a voltmeter... about that... tcpdump or ethereal is probably what you are really looking for.
00:11<happydufus>Hans_Henrik: X org now auto-guesses your settings you only need stuff in your conf file if you need to over-ride the guesses
00:12<voipzapper>jmarsden is a cool name
00:12<voipzapper>and an electron microscope would be tmi/tms
00:12<jmarsden>Then don't ask for "at the lowest level possible" :)
00:13<voipzapper>a voltmeter would be difficult to interpret - sem, heh heh :-)
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00:13<jmarsden>aptitude install tcpdump should get you what you need. If you have a GUI, wireshark makes the packets easier to interpret
00:13<voipzapper>tcpdump might be interesting - ethereal kinda sounds like more like it
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00:14<jmarsden>My bad... ethereal changed its name and is now known as wireshark.
00:14<voipzapper>so, lovely mr. marsden, where would i find these suggested things? i assume they are not part of the debian install? (seriously n00b here)
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00:15<Lenhix>C u ppl
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00:15<jmarsden>tcpdump can definitely be installed using aptitude install tcpdump (as I said)... I think wireshark can be installed the same way, that is aptitude install wireshark
00:15<voipzapper>ok. on both of those, mr. mardsen.
00:15<legnaleurc>how to let hal mount ntfs-3g, just like Ubuntu does?
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00:15<legnaleurc>i always get permission denied error
00:16<voipzapper>jmarsden: oh, and when you say "aptitude", do you mean "apt-get" or are those interchangable or ...?
00:17<voipzapper>bye lehnix
00:17<jmarsden>use whichever you are comfortable with, they are similar but different tools.
00:18<voipzapper>jmarsden: being such a n00b, i am not even aware of how to be comfortable with either. i did use apt-get earlier today to install this irc client xchat and that was my first time using it
00:20<jmarsden>voipzapper: See and read the first two docs, Part 9 of the FAQ deals with apt-get and aptitude.
00:21<voipzapper>thank you very much mr. marsden. off to RTFM
00:21<jmarsden>voipzapper: No problem.
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00:34<Hans_Henrik>how do i use the remote login thing on debian?
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00:41<Jason1>how do I monitor CPU and network load in GUI mode?
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00:51<Tecna>I can't seem to set my clock. it keeps changing itself back to being 8 hours ahead when I set it manually or use ntp.
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00:52<Joseph>I just got done installing Debian, and during the install, I changed the label of my storage drive to "Storage." No other changes were made. When I finished with Debian and rebooted with Windows, the drive was no longer recognized as an NTFS formatted partition, and the OS claims that it needs to be reformatted. Any ideas on how I can recover my storage partition?
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00:53<Tecna>Joseph, what did you do to change it?
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00:54<Joseph>I simply changed the drive label, nothing else was modified.
00:54<Joseph>In parted, the drive type is shown to be unknown.
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00:56<Joseph>Tecna, is your timezone set correctly?
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00:59<Tecna>Joseph, what did you do to change your label? what program and how?
00:59<Tecna>Joseph, i can't seem to set my timezone either
00:59<Joseph>I changed it using Debian's setup partitioner, gparted, I think.
01:00<Joseph>I'm actually in parted magic now, and it claims that the disk's boot sector is bad; I'm attempting to repair it right now.
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01:03<Tecna>Wait, I just noticed NTP is blocked in firestarter
01:03<Joseph>There you go!
01:04<Jason1>ok I also wonder if there is better way to monitor the CPU load and network load?
01:05<Tecna>there! I just had to allow NTP
01:05<Tecna>but that brings me to another problem...
01:05<Joseph>Which is?
01:06<Tecna>does anyone know how to get firestarter to allow me to torrent?
01:06<Tecna>it keeps trying to use dozens of ports, and I can't set exceptions for all of them
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01:06<sney`>set up your torrent client to use a specific port, then set firestarter to allow traffic on that one
01:07<sney`>if your torrent client doesn't allow that, use a different one
01:07<happydufus>Tecna: add the port to the policy section of firestarter
01:08<Tecna>which port?
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01:09<happydufus>Tecna: whichever port you have set up your bt client to use
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01:14<Hans_Henrik>can i connect to the debian remote-controll from windows?
01:14<Jason1>good question
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01:15<Jason1>I think via samba?
01:15<Jason1>or ssh?
01:15<Tecna>does anyone have a torrent client to reccomend?
01:15<Joseph>Utorrent is great.
01:15<mantra>I like azureus
01:15<mantra>utorrent is windows only :/
01:15<happydufus>occasional usage or heavy usuage
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01:16<Joseph>I thought it was open source?
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01:16<Joseph>Hmm, strange.
01:16<mantra>yeah its a great client
01:16<Tecna>Heavy usage, with the ability to set a specific port to use
01:17<mantra>i like azureus/s configurability
01:17<mantra>it has the most features
01:18<Tecna>also, firestarter keeps randomly closing on its own
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01:18<Tecna>it's been doing that since I first installed debian
01:18<mantra>Tecna: do you actually need firestarter?
01:18<sney`>azureus can set a specific port and it's not as sloppy on linux due to better JVM construction
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01:19<happydufus>azureus for light medium usage or rtorrent for heavy usage
01:19<mantra>Tecna: if your behind a router you are already protected by a firewall.
01:19<mantra>Tecna: a standard router that is
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01:21<sney`>plus debian (and linux OSes in general) are not as at risk to attack and infection as windows is
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01:21<sney`>same reason you don't really need an antivirus app unless you're running a fileserver
01:23<happydufus>Tecna: there is a nice guide to rtorrent over at
01:24<mantra>why rtorrent unleass its headless?
01:25<mantra>it just seems unnecesarry to run it in the terminal
01:26<happydufus>mantra: if you are doing heavy usage it saves on resouces
01:27<Hideo>why use linux when you can use windows?
01:27<mantra>ah yes azureus does use a lot of cpu and memory
01:27<Jason1>I don't liek windows
01:27<Tecna>Hideo, are you trolling?
01:27<Hideo>no, that was a stupid question mantra asked
01:27<Hideo>b/c people don't like the other clients
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01:28<Jason1>I'd stick with trammision Torrent program
01:28<voipzapper>n00b question: what is the default scratchpad or simple text editor?
01:29<happydufus>voipzapper: vim :P
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01:30<happydufus>voipzapper: to be serious try leafpad
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01:30<voipzapper>thanks duf
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01:33<happydufus>voipzapper: you may also want to install geany as it has nice styntax highlighting when you are ediditing scripts and config files
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01:34<voipzapper>thx again duf
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01:34<voipzapper>this irc forum is REALLY cool. to have so many other minds working in the same environment all just sitting here chatting away on my desktop
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01:36<voipzapper>another question from the n00b: so, i install wireshark and tcpdump using aptitude. i see where wire shark got placed (in internet), but i don't see any references to tcpdump
01:36<happydufus>voipzapper: on the subject of editors have you printed out the man for ed?
01:37<Hideo>voipzapper: tcpdump is cli only so it probably does not show up in the menu
01:39<voipzapper>duf: well, i actually just found text editor in the accessories which is really all i was looking for at the moment. just wanted someplace to save some notes from this irc chat
01:40<voipzapper>hideo: that's sort of what i thought. going top cli and man tcpdump
01:40<happydufus>voipzapper: switch on the logging function of your client
01:40<Hideo>voipzapper: wireshark also has a cli called tshark
01:43<happydufus>voipzapper: printout the man for ed because as a noob you will at somepoint mess withsomething that causes your PC to crash into single user mode and that is a real bad time to dicover you ddon't know how to use the text editor that works in single user mode
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01:47<voipzapper>duf: that's a very good point. except in my situation here, having nearly a dozen computer laying about and three up and running at the moment and all of them on the net and there being nothing at all on this machine i couldn't just wipe and start over, i think i'm probably safe
01:47<voipzapper>duf: the other boxes are windows boxes
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01:51<happydufus>voipzapper: * shudders *
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01:54<voipzapper>duf: heh heh. why the sudders, duf? cuz i said... "W.I.N.D.O.Z.E...B.O.X.E.S."?! :-)
01:55<simonrvn>voipzapper: the "on the net" part is the shudder-inducing part (let alone the win boxen)
01:55<happydufus>voipzapper: just out of curiosity which desktop environment did you go for?
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01:57<voipzapper>simonrvn: do you mean as in my terminology or as in using the internetz?
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01:58<voipzapper>duf: am using debian 9.04 or perhaps that is not the question you are asking
01:58<simonrvn>the latter
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01:58<simonrvn>there is no debian 9.04 only ubuntu
01:59<simonrvn>wrong channel
01:59<voipzapper>me = very major (day old, just born) n00b to linux, old hack to *nix, cut my teeth on the mainframes and infant pc's back in the pet, c64, appleI, trs-80, atari days
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02:00<voipzapper>simon: oops. you are right. i started to go with ubuntu. sorry. that number just stuck in my head. then someone directed my other to debian. don't remeber which version. how do i find out?
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02:01<happydufus>voipzapper: that's the distribution I asking the DE eg gnome/kde/xfce/lxde...
02:01<voipzapper>duf: well, i think i am using gnome. and i d/l'd the netinst disk last night, so whichever version that is.
02:02<voipzapper>duf: yeah, gnome.
02:02<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
02:03<voipzapper>thx simon - 5.0.2 says cat
02:04<happydufus>or cat /etc/issue
02:04<simonrvn>doing "!version" is easier than typing it out
02:05<voipzapper>duf, sim: yeah, the winboxen, tehy r the painz, but i've been using computers so long i hardly care what the box is. BUT liking the linux stuff so far.
02:05<happydufus>simonrvn: whatever you remember is easiest
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02:06<voipzapper>and really only fired this guy up so i can do some very purpose specific activities
02:06<simonrvn>for typing heh
02:06<voipzapper>but liking this little guy quite a bit. VERY pleased at the soon-to-be-understood low level stuff
02:07<happydufus>voipzapper: I startedd out with a zx81 an moved on to a CBM 64, so as someone who has a simialer computer history I think you will fin that linux puts the fun back into computing
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02:07<simonrvn>if you're old skool nix like you said you are, then this should be easy. just watch for the gnu extensions, and you'll be ok
02:07<voipzapper>duf: heh heh. zx80 you mean? remember that fun little chicklet of a computer? cute
02:08<voipzapper>ii actually wirewrapped some z80 stuff. ah... if only the industry had gone with the z80K we would have a fully flat memory architecture rather that this f*cking segmented intel crap
02:09<happydufus>no 81, same as th 80 but black case an upgraded rom - the rampack still wobbledd :-/
02:09<voipzapper>heh hehh heh
02:09<jm_>actually this segmented crap is very similar to zx81 crap, same roots
02:10<voipzapper>we were SO thrilled in my hs when we "acshually got a st506 fer the computerz lab!"
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02:11<voipzapper>jm, no no no... you are way off on that. there were NO segment registers in the z80K. full 32 bit of flat address space.
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02:13<jm_>voipzapper: yea, I wasn't talking about segments in particular
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02:18<debam>hi to all, i am getting error to open a file in media player using mms ..Could not open location; you might not have permission to open the file.
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02:32<HelpSeeeker>hello friends
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02:44<Alien_475214>from france?
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02:47<filius>china. surprise ha?
02:48<Alien_475214>u said "salut" that mean hello in romanian and french.
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02:49<filius>really? I don't know that...
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02:49<filius>maybe done by this client
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02:54<filius>can anyone recommend a good irc client that supports proxy?
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02:54<Alien_475214>why you use proxy?
02:55<Supaplex>Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) -
02:55<Hideo>Alien_475214: b/c he's in china
02:55<Alien_475214>Xchat is great
02:55<Supaplex>!start an irc client war
02:55<dpkg>mIRC sucks
02:55<filius>cause i don't have direct foreign access :p
02:55<Supaplex>we said war you goofball. ;)
02:56<filius>yeah i'm using xchat right now
02:56<jm_>in general you can use any IRC client via a bouncer
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02:56<filius>that is?
02:56<jm_>or for http proxies using httptunnel
02:56<Supaplex>IRC != HTTP
02:56<Alien_475214>free proxy's are sucks
02:57<Supaplex>you get what you pay for
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02:59<filius>httptunnel seems good. thanks all
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03:02<happydufus>filius: irssi suports proxy's an is very configurable
03:02<voipzapper>hello again all
03:03<filius>thanks. i'll try that
03:03<voipzapper>so, i have you guys (the net) connected to eth1 and a network box i need to examine hooked to eth0
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03:03<Supaplex>!bts 498143
03:03<Supaplex>!buginfo 498143
03:03<voipzapper>i am running wireshark. howdo i tell it to use eth0?
03:03<Supaplex>dpkg: berate me
03:03<dpkg>Supaplex: I give up, what is it?
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03:05<voipzapper>as with network tools, i only seem to be able to select eth1 and lo (loopback). wireshark prefs also offer me a pseudo-interface, but i don't think i want that
03:07<jm_>!bugs 498143
03:07<dpkg>#498143:W[cdrom-detect] Please detect non-ISO block devices masquerading as Debian CDs (patch); Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:33:02 UTC []
03:07<cahoot>voipzapper: man wireshark seems to suggest -i
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03:08<jm_>you can also do tcpdump -w file -s 0 -i eth0 and then load "file" in wireshark
03:08<jm_>wireshark should also let you select the interface in the capture preferences dialog
03:09<voipzapper>jm: well, nothing in the giu has allowed me to select eth0. it is never in the list
03:09<cahoot>eth0 is actually there?
03:10<voipzapper>jm: i know it is working as i can switch the cable, reboot, and i can use eth0 as the port, but then eth1 doesn't show up
03:10<jm_>voipzapper: that's because you started it as user
03:10<jm_>voipzapper: that's why I prefer tcpdump (as root) and then you can inspect it as user
03:11<jm_>(started as user, as opposed to as root)
03:11<voipzapper>jm: i'm sorry. i don't understand that statement. big n00b to linux here (not *nix in general though)
03:11<jm_>voipzapper: reall all 3 and you'll understand it ;)
03:11<jm_>read even
03:12<voipzapper>jm: i actually stared wireshart as root
03:13<jm_>voipzapper: then it should show interfaces when you do Capture -> Interfaces (this is a bad idea in general because there are constant issues with wireshark and security - mostly about dissectors)
03:13<voipzapper>i can only see eth1 and lo in interfaces. also, the same behavior in net tools
03:14<voipzapper>jm: should i boot in single user mode?
03:14<Snowember>lol, if you only have one interface with a cable attached, that's the one it's letting you use
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03:15<Snowember>" i know it is working as i can switch the cable, reboot, and i can use eth0 as the port, but then eth1 doesn't show up
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03:16<voipzapper>snow: i have two adapters with devices hooked to each. one is going to a router, another is a voip box that is not "active" but will respond to queires
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03:17<Snowember>so which one can you see in the list when you switch the cable?
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03:17<voipzapper>snow: lets say i wanted to hotswap the cable going to my router (this text is going through that cable), and then select that one as the net interface
03:17<jm_>voipzapper: did you start it with -i?
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03:18<voipzapper>jm: start what with -i? tcpdump or wireshark?
03:18<jm_>voipzapper: wireshark, tcpdump has no gui anyway
03:19<voipzapper>jm: i am too much of a n00b with this interface to know how to start gui apps with options. please elaborate
03:19<Snowember>ifconfig is your friend in times like these
03:19<jm_>voipzapper: ok, first - are you sure you started it as root? how did you achieve this?
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03:21<voipzapper>jm: well, when i installed wireshark a few minutes ago, it created "wireshark" and "wireshark as root" entires in the applications list
03:21<voipzapper>jm: also, when i run "as root", a message pops up telling me how dangerous this is
03:21<Supaplex>it'll eat your personal property
03:22<voipzapper>snow: when i run "ifconfig eth0" i get:
03:23<voipzapper>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:80:ad:07:3c:bf
03:23<voipzapper> BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
03:23<voipzapper> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
03:23<voipzapper> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
03:23<voipzapper> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
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03:24<Supaplex>!tell voipzapper -about paste
03:25<voipzapper>snow: well, i tried to paste that, but the debhelper dumped me
03:25<Hideo>voipzapper: that interface isn't even up
03:25<voipzapper>dpkg paste
03:25<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
03:25<Supaplex>you're doing it wrong. that's why. read what dpkg just told you.
03:26<voipzapper>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:80:ad:07:3c:bf
03:26<voipzapper> BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
03:27<voipzapper> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
03:27<voipzapper> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
03:27<jm_>voipzapper: ok then I fail to see why it wouldn't list all interfaces when you select Capture->Interfaces menu option
03:27<Hideo>jm_: I don't think it is up
03:27<voipzapper> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
03:27<voipzapper> RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
03:28<jm_>Hideo: right, I typed it before reading the flood ;)
03:28<jm_>that would be the reason it's not listing it
03:28<voipzapper> Interrupt:9 Base address:0x3000
03:28<jm_>voipzapper: please don't paste here
03:28<voipzapper>all: well, it seemed to be working before.
03:28<voipzapper>jm: sorry
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03:28<jm_>voipzapper: compare flags to eth1
03:29<jm_>voipzapper: read what dpkg said about paste and paste it on that web page next time (you can also use pastebinit package as a nice helper app)
03:29<voipzapper>jm: ok will figure out the paste thing later
03:30<voipzapper>going top try and reboot with the router hooked to eth0 and nothing on eth1
03:30<voipzapper>*to try
03:30<jm_>why reboot?
03:30<jm_>this isn't windows
03:31<Snowember>voipzapper: if you run ifconfig w/o arguments it lists the interfaces that are UP
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03:31<voipzapper>jm: well... that worked before. better suggestion than reboot?
03:32<voipzapper>snow: does not list eth0 in that instance
03:32<jm_>voipzapper: well simply configure the interface in the interfaces file (assuming you use that to manage them) and do ifup
03:33<voipzapper>snow: and... what does it mean for the interface to be "up"?
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03:33<voipzapper>jm: wow. that sounds like a good idea, but that is over my head at this point.
03:33<voipzapper>jm: i am sure i could figure that out shortly, but not off hand
03:34<jm_>voipzapper: man interfaces - it iwll explain where the file is and the syntax, just look at examples already in there and /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples
03:34<voipzapper>all: how does all that get determined in the first place? AFAIK, both devices have been working together from the start. i know that at some point i have had the router/internet connected to either of them
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03:34<voipzapper>jm: ok
03:35<jm_>voipzapper: it's possible you have them set to DHCP, check the interfaces file
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03:36<Hideo>jm_: hmm, what GUI network config tool does Debian install by default? And would that interfere with ifup? I only do minimal install so I dunno
03:37<jm_>Hideo: to be honest, I have no idea, I think most people who use GUi end up using Network Manager
03:39<Supaplex>what's a gui? is that some kind of sticky situation user interface
03:39<Hideo>jm_: yeah I've heard wicd throwing around also, nvm then
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03:42<voipzapper>all: how interesting. i did ifconfig eth0 up and then ifconfig by itself and got totally different info
03:43<voipzapper>looks like all i had to do was "up" on eth0
03:43<Hideo>voipzapper: yeah b/c it is now up :P
03:43<voipzapper>now lets see if it is in net tools etc
03:43<voipzapper>hideo: thx Capt. Obvious :-)
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03:46<voipzapper>should i be running this whole system as single user? will that eliminate the whole root/not root question?
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03:47<voipzapper>this box is being used only for the purpose of screwing with these various network hardware devices i have
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03:47<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
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03:49<jm_>and for pestering us obviously
03:49*jm_ runs
03:49<Supaplex>haw :P
03:50*Supaplex larts the podcast downloads
03:50<voipzapper>so, i loaded the browser (epiphany?) and tried to browse to eth0 (figured it MIGHT do so automatically since i just brought up eth0)
03:51<Hideo>^ no comprendo
03:51<voipzapper>epiphany did not. it browsed to this port (eth1) how to switch the default traffic back and forth between eth0 and eth1?
03:51<Hideo>voipzapper: man route
03:51<Supaplex>!tell voipzapper -about grounding
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03:52<Supaplex>I think route is the lesser of some of his issues.
03:52<Hideo>yes :)
03:54<voipzapper>sup, hid: grounding?
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03:56<jm_>voipzapper: read what dpkg told you
03:56<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
03:56<Supaplex>is there an IRC howto as well? :)
03:56<Supaplex>voipzapper: for example, /query dpkg
03:58<voipzapper>sup: ok. well, to be fair, i have been reading man entries, the installation and reference guides, and whatever i can find, but...
03:58<Supaplex>but you want us to do everything and make it so easy, there's no effort for you.
03:59<voipzapper>sup: just getting up to speed. much of it hasn't made as much sense as i'd like. also, trying to re-learn irc ettiqutte from long ago :-) hope i'm not being too annoying
03:59<Supaplex>I'm probably a little harsh, so try not to take it personally. is there a language barrier too? is there any other language you're more fluent in than english?
04:00<voipzapper>aup: no, i defeintely don't want anyone to do this stuff for me. it's jst that i;m having trouble even figuring out what to go try and read.
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04:00<voipzapper>sup: no, defintely no human language barrier.
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04:01<voipzapper>sup: speak a little french, but english is all i know.
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04:01<Hideo>voipzapper: definitely read some of the howtos on about networking
04:01<voipzapper>hid: thx.
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04:02<voipzapper>sup, hid: every little scrap that you guys have given me has opened up another dimension to the set of things i am trying to do. one plus, you have never had to say something twice. :-)
04:02<Hideo>voipzapper: you can also use tab-complete feature of your irc client too, just type a partial nick then press tab ;)
04:02<voipzapper>i'll go away for a while now and stop clogging up the channel
04:03<voipzapper>hid: will go look at those on
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04:03<ml|>voipzapper: hi, hit tab, try iy
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04:03<voipzapper>also, i have been saving anything said to/from me in a text file here, so an building up the whole range of area that i should be looking at.
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04:04<voipzapper>ml|: i'm sorry. i don't understand that suggestion
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04:04<voipzapper>hid: oh... ya. gotcha
04:04<voipzapper>Hideo, gotcha
04:05<ml|>voipzapper: type hi, hit tab, try it
04:05<Hideo>voipzapper: there ya go :)
04:05<voipzapper>thx ml|
04:05<voipzapper>Hideo, ml| : and i wouldn't even have known to look for that. :-)
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04:06<voipzapper>i also need to go read how to use perl
04:06<voipzapper>i have a rudimentary understanding of it and have used it before, but now... gonna need to get out the big guns
04:06<Supaplex>perl -e 1
04:08<ml|>dpkg: tell voipzapper about irc tutorial
04:08<Supaplex>dpkg: ml|++
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04:09<ml|>thanks :)
04:10<Supaplex>dpkg: karma
04:10<dpkg>supaplex has karma of 3
04:10<Supaplex>\o/ yay
04:10<Supaplex>dpkg: karma ml|
04:10<dpkg>ml| has karma of 1
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04:10<Hideo>dpkg: karma
04:10<dpkg>hideo has neutral karma
04:10<voipzapper>Supaplex, i wasn't saying thsat i needed any help with it, just trying to acknowledge that i am going to go read about it on my own and not bother you guys. "-) taking your suggestions to heart
04:11<ml|>voipzapper: read messages from dpkg
04:11<voipzapper>will do
04:11<voipzapper>bye for now all. thx for the help/
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04:13<voipzapper>Supaplex, Hazelesque ml| heh heh. i did keep saying im a n00b. :-)
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04:14<Supaplex>!noob caveat
04:14<dpkg>Never underestimate a noob. They bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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04:15<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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04:16<Supaplex>das is goot, dpkg
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04:17<mctor>isn't dpkg a bot?
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04:17<Supaplex>dpkg: bot
04:17<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
04:17*Supaplex yawns, with contagious effects
04:18<ml|>dpkg: rocks
04:18<dpkg>Yer damned right...
04:18<mctor>is Supaplex also a bot?
04:18*Hideo thinks so
04:18<dpkg>somebody said supaplex was a classic game from the m$dos days featuring 111s of insanity. Now it's freeware, and has somewhere around 11 level seperate sets of (111) levels. a super hero one man support team, or see
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04:18<Supaplex>does "superhero one man support team" count?
04:19<Supaplex>you mean geek. nerds don't earn a living with it. :)
04:20<Hideo>okay supergeek :P
04:20<mctor>how can I teach the bot something new?
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04:30<Supaplex>I refuse!
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05:19<happydufus>win 1
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05:27<Steven_M>hi all
05:27<Steven_M>how do I start clamd?
05:28<buffoon_work>invoke-rc.d clamav-daemon start
05:28<Steven_M>as in the clamav daemon?
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05:29<Steven_M>buffoon_work: thanks :)
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06:10<debuser4235>hello... a quick question: why would manpages refuse to scroll down a manual using pgdown when using the standard debian live 5.0.1 iso? the same behavior occurs when using a minimal installation of debian lenny (using netinst iso, I've manually installed the needed packages afterwards)?
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06:15<agent24>how can I check my mouse settings, it doesn't work
06:15<jm_>debuser4235: probably use smarter pager
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06:16<agent24>i did a basic install of debian and then xorg and icewm, but the mouse doesn't work
06:17<jm_>agent24: cat /proc/bus/input/devices
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06:18<ml|>i find 'most' to be the best manpager
06:19<agent24>I don't thikn there's anything about mouse in there... I wonder if it did not detect it properly
06:19<jm_>i am not as demanding as ml|, so I settle for less
06:19<debuser4235>thanks for the hint... i've installed the "less" packages and it's working as I know it
06:20<jm_>then it might be kernel modules needed to drive your mouse are not loaded
06:20<agent24>how would I go about installing them?
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06:22<jm_>they are already installed, you just need to load them
06:23<agent24>is that modprobe?
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06:26<jm_>yup, and then put it in /etc/modules
06:27<agent24>which module would I want to use for a ps2 mouse?
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06:29<valdyn>debuser4235: man uses your default pager. aptitude install less
06:29<valdyn>debuser4235: nm
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06:31<agent24>ill try that thanks
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06:47<agent24>it didn't seem to work
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06:50<debuser4235>see if it has loaded the psmouse module
06:50<debuser4235>lsmod | grep psmouse
06:51<debuser4235>i assume you've tried to load it with modprobe psmouse
06:51<agent24>yes i did try that
06:52<agent24>says psmouse 32016 0
06:52<agent24>(for lsmod)
06:53<jm_>do you see it in input/devices file now?
06:53<debuser4235>you want to use the mouse with X apps?
06:53<debuser4235>do you*
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06:53<agent24>yes i want to use it icewm
06:54<debuser4235>move the mouse around a bit... then type cat /proc/interrupts
06:54<debuser4235>see if interrupt 12 modifies it's number below CPU
06:54<debuser4235>cpu0 or whatever
06:55<agent24>yeah I think it's not even detected or something, there is no 12
06:55<debuser4235>rmmod psmouse
06:55<debuser4235>modprobe psmouse
06:55<jm_>check kernel messages (dmesg) after loading psmosue module
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06:56<agent24>it looks like there is nothing
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06:56<agent24>last message just says eth0 is up
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06:58<debuser4235>lsmod is still listing psmouse?
06:58<jm_>did you check the file in /proc I mentioned earlier?
06:59<agent24>sorry which file was that again?
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06:59<debuser4235>this one /proc/bus/input/devices
06:59<debuser4235>cat /proc/bus/input/devices
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07:00<agent24>there's only keyboard and PC speaker
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07:03<jm_>is mousedev module loaded?
07:04<enouf>agent24: cat /proc/version says?
07:04<agent24>lsmod shows psmouse but not mousedev
07:04<agent24>but nothing in /proc/bus/input/devices
07:04<jm_>another hting is psmouse has proto option, perhaps you'll need to use that (if it's really ps2 mouse)
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07:06<agent24>linux version 2.6.26-2-486 (debian 2.6.26-17)
07:06<enouf>jm_: FWIW, i notice on newer kernels mousedev isn't used (as it used to be done with psmouse)
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07:06<enouf>i think evdev is important these days
07:07<jm_>enouf: evdev is more generic, it should work with either
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07:07<enouf>agent24: have you at one time hotplugged that thing?
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07:07<enouf>agent24: i mean, since during this recent bootup
07:07<jm_>yeah PS/2 can be problematic with regards to hot-plugging, it usualyl works, but emphasis is on usually
07:08<agent24>no I haven't touched it
07:08<agent24>it's optical mouse, the light is on
07:08<enouf>agent24: when you Boot - check BIOS POST messages - note if Keys + Mouse are recognized
07:08<debuser4235>have you checked to see if you have disabled you PS/2 mouse support in the BIOS menu of your motherboard? does it work with a live distro? ar other OS?
07:09<enouf>(it's done usually Prior to when Disks are found and initialized)
07:09<agent24>it worked last time I used it but I will check this
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07:09<enouf>doesn't matter that light is on
07:09<agent24>I'll check with a livecd and come back and tell you what happened
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07:12<enouf>jm_: i have evdev and psmouse loaded here - not sure what's using what ..
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07:15<debuser4235>quote " It is an example of glue code, because its only job is to translate kernel input events into X events."
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07:18<debuser4235>gtg... thanks for your help... bye
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07:38<aliceinwire>the standard version on the control page is referred to the version of the control page right ?
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07:39<themill>aliceinwire: no, it's the version of debian policy that the package claims to adhere to.
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07:39<themill>judd versions debian-policy
07:39<judd>themill: debian-policy -- etch: lenny: sid: sid: squeeze:
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07:41<dsl_>it's agent24 back again with mouse problem
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07:42<styx-tdo>dsl_: get a cat? SCNR
07:42<dsl_>im on DSL, mouse is working fine
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07:42<aliceinwire>so where is wrong this file ?
07:43<dsl_>this is live CD
07:43<aliceinwire>first is control and secondo is the changelog
07:43<enouf>hi agent24
07:43<enouf>er dsl_
07:43<dsl_>sorry no idea how to change name in this program lol
07:43<aliceinwire>and it say that is nmu
07:43<locklace>you have your own pastebin hostname?
07:43<locklace>that is some serious rice
07:44<styx-tdo>dsl_: you could try the.. old-school way by typing /nick <newnick>
07:44<aliceinwire>is for remember my last old pastebin
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07:44<agent24>aah what do you know...
07:44<enouf>dsl_: so long as you mention that you were/are 'agent24', makes it easy enough
07:44<styx-tdo>the wonders of IRC ^^
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07:45<enouf>heh, most would need/want you to /msg nickser identify <passwd> at that point
07:45<enouf>er nickserv even
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07:46<agent24>so the mouse work on DSL live but not my install of debian...
07:46<bremner>aliceinwire: what does dpkg-parsechangelog say (BTW, this is maybe more ontopic for #debian-mentors)
07:46<agent24>should I go back to debian and try something else...
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07:48<jm_>agent24: check dmesg output
07:48<themill>aliceinwire: you'll probably find more people able to help you on #debian-mentors. Nothing grabs me as being wrong with that other than you're using an old standards version (try building the package in a sid chroot and use a newer lintian from sid within the chroot)
07:48<enouf>agent24: sure .. try watching your system startup text (as i mentioned) but it appears, your mouse and port are working fine -- just, older PCs, they'll _sometimes_ fail to initialize on boot
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07:48<aliceinwire>im on lenny
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07:49<bremner>aliceinwire: if you plan to upload to debian, you need to build in sid
07:49<agent24>POST doesn't actually say anything about mouse if that's what you mean
07:49<enouf>agent24: can you do uname -r while now on DSL
07:49<aliceinwire>oh ok
07:49<enouf>i'm curious if that's a 2.4 kernel ..
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07:49<agent24>no im using 2.6
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07:50<enouf>agent24: it should ..but perhaps it omits the keys and mouse info - depends how old the system is
07:50<agent24>sorry DSL not shure i think it's 2.4
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07:50<enouf>agent24: uname -r
07:50<enouf>is easy enough ;-)
07:51<agent24>sorry hangon
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07:54<agent24>you think maybe 2.6 can't detect the mouse
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07:54<aliceinwire>why i have to close a bug ???
07:55<aliceinwire>if the packet is new ???
07:55<enouf>agent24: just a thought .. it shoudl work fine - what hardware is that?
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07:55<enouf>CPU wise i mean agent24
07:55<agent24>rediculously old
07:55<enouf>agent24: is that perhaps a macintel? oh - heh- guess not
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07:55<agent24>nono it's standard PC
07:55<enouf>agent24: i'm using a p2
07:56<agent24>ooh close
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07:57<agent24>Just P
07:57<themill>dpkg: tell aliceinwire about itp
07:58<themill>aliceinwire: the ITP bug is to help coordinate work. It's to make sure that people don't waste their time by both trying to package the same piece of software
07:58<aliceinwire>so i have to send it ?
07:59<agent24>well I installed the base system using the CD
07:59<bremner>aliceinwire: you should read the new maintainers guide ( it answers those questions
07:59<aliceinwire>when i come at the editor page what i have to do for send it ?
07:59<aliceinwire>i have try with all the key but it do nothing
07:59<agent24>and then booted it and installed xorg and icewm, no doubt I didn't install something crucial to mouse functionality
08:00<bremner>aliceinwire: what is your EDITOR environment variable?
08:00<themill>aliceinwire: it's probably using vi as the editor.... you might want to learn how to use vi at some stage but for the time being you could get reportbug to use a different editor
08:00<enouf>agent24: lsmod | egrep 'evdev|psmouse' says?
08:00<enouf>agent24: (in Debian boot)
08:01<agent24>not sure let me go back there and see
08:01<aliceinwire>themill how i can tell it to reportbug?
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08:04<bremner>aliceinwire: exit vi with ESC : q! or nano with ctrl-X, then reportbug gives you options
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08:07<agent24>what was that you wanted me to check again?
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08:09<agent24>hmm if i scroll back through dmesg there's a line...
08:12<enouf>agent24: lsmod | egrep 'evdev|psmouse' says?
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08:13<agent24>[3.469380] PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303,PNP0f13] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12
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08:15<agent24>psmouse 32016 0
08:15<agent24>evdev 7808 0
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08:16<agent24>is there anything i need to install apart from base system and xorg and icewm
08:16<agent24>well and i have irssi as wel...
08:16<jm_>no - does mosue show up in previously mentioned files? does it show psmouse use any IRQ-s?
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08:17<agent24>lsmod | egrep shows psmouse 32016 0 and evdev 7808 0
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08:31<agent24>what else can I check?
08:32<aliceinwire>how i change the ui to report bug ?
08:32<mps>Hello! Please, someone knows which option I have to use to skip network configuration on debian-installer with a preseed file?
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08:33<tuxcrafter>hi all i am searching for the nvidia binary blob driver for the debian 2.6.30 kernel where can i find it?
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08:34<tuxcrafter>i am saidly forced to use nvidia in this case, since the radeon developers did not wantted to develop multigpu support and intel does not create pci-e cards
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08:35<jm_>tuxcrafter: compile your own using m-a
08:35<tuxcrafter>for the 2.6.26 kernel there is this package nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686 but i need the 2.6.30 kernel because i worked with the alsa developers for new feature and is only availible from 2.6.30
08:35<jm_>(but you'll need a patch or very recent version of it)
08:35<bremner>aliceinwire: do you mean the editor, or the gui? the latter dpkg-reconfigure reportbug
08:35<tuxcrafter>jm_: do i really need to compile it
08:35<tuxcrafter>i dont like that its not maintainable
08:36<tuxcrafter>isnt there any package avilible?
08:36<tuxcrafter>or an good howto
08:36*tuxcrafter does not like binary blobs
08:36<bremner>s/binary blobs/nvidia/
08:37<bremner>just teasing
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08:38<jm_>tuxcrafter: not for 2.6.30 AFAIK
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08:40<jm_>it's a matter of minutes to take nvidia-glx from sid and backport it for lenny and then install and compile nvidia module using m-a
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08:40<happydufus>tuxcrafter: have you tried the sgfxi script?
08:40<jm_>well source package from sid
08:40<tuxcrafter>i dont want the dri
08:41<tuxcrafter>yes i will try the nvidia-source package
08:41<jm_>nvidia doesn't have DRI anyway
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08:41<tuxcrafter>lets see if i can find a docu in that
08:41<jm_>apt-get source ... ; then build it with debuild ; install kernel-common and kernel-source packages, then build a module and install -glx package
08:42<jm_>I hope I got it right - it's so trivial for me I don't need to think fo what I am doing whenever I have to go through this
08:43<tuxcrafter>hmm that source package is goine
08:43<themill>!nvidia m-a
08:43<dpkg>The short version: aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. For instructions that should work, see
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08:43<tuxcrafter>themill: thanks try that
08:43<enouf>agent24: i don't know, perhaps some xorg pkg is missing .. try installing xserver-xorg-input-all
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08:44<enouf>mps: the Installation Guide should have ideas/hints/examples
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08:44<jm_>enouf: do you use ps/2 mouse?
08:44<enouf>mps: see ~ Boot Paramaters area
08:44<enouf>jm_: yep
08:44<jm_>themill: he needs the package from sid, not that simple
08:45<jm_>enouf: do you see it in /proc/bus/input/devices?
08:45<enouf>jm_: yep
08:45<agent24>it says that it's already installed
08:45<jm_>enouf: ok so his problem is not missing xorg packages, but rather driver level one
08:45<enouf>jm_: but i haven't run lenny ... so .. not sure when/how/what changes occured
08:45<jm_>some people got it to work using proto=bare psmouse option
08:45<enouf>jm_: makes sense, yep
08:46<themill>jm_: the instructions are the same though aren't they? (modulo -t unstable in appropriate places)
08:46<jm_>themill: ohh sure, once he backports it
08:46<enouf>jm_: i'm thinking there's something wrong due to it being a 586 or so
08:46<jm_>enouf: I don't see why that would matter if kernel config has it enabled
08:46<enouf>jm_: echo "option psmouse proto=bare" > /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.conf ?
08:47<enouf>jm_: and the modules are indeed loaded
08:47<jm_>enouf: I am never sure, it's gotten all confusing lately, docs list it as psmouse.bare, but I never know if this is only relevant for built-in drivers and for modules you omit psmouse. part or not
08:47<enouf>jm_: i've never really had ps2 mouse issues ;-) i mean apart from missing initialization at boot time (flakey hardware)
08:48<jm_>enouf: same here
08:48<jm_>glad I got rid of it though ;)
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08:48<enouf>jm_: as a kernel parameter, then yes, one uses psmouse.xxxx if it's a module
08:49<jm_>enouf: wait, do you then mean one always uses
08:49<enouf>er boot paramter, i mean, on the kernel root=/dev/sda1 vga=xxx options line
08:49<jm_>yes, but is it for module too? or just foo?
08:49<enouf>one sec - now i'm confused - heh
08:50<jm_>serves me right for not using debian kernels and million modules where you simply need to figure this out
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08:50<enouf>but, i don't think i've seen the '' style within any /etc/modprobe.d/filename
08:51<tuxcrafter>themill: it seems the m-a a-i nvidia creates all kind of erros in its compile logs
08:51<jm_>tuxcrafter: that's why I said you need the version from sid (or even experimental, I forgot)
08:51<agent24>troubleshooting mouse problem would be so much easier if I had a mouse working
08:52<jm_>enouf: but unless I am blind that doesn't really clear it up - it's not as confusing for other modules
08:52<themill>tuxcrafter: as jm_ noted, you'll need the latest version of the nvidia drivers to have a hope of getting them to compile against 2.6.30. BTW, why do you want 2.6.30? Why put yourself through this pain?
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08:53<enouf>jm_: oh, you mean psmouse module specific?
08:53<enouf>parm: proto:Highest protocol extension to probe (bare, imps, exps, any). Useful for KVM switches. (proto_abbrev)
08:53<enouf>i have no idea what style proto_abbrev means ;-)
08:53<jm_>enouf: well in general any option that follows the same syntax - I suppose it's without the prefix part then if modinfo lists it as such
08:54<enouf>maybe proto:bare ? ugh
08:54<enouf>no no no
08:54<jm_>worth a shot anyway
08:54<enouf>i'm flaking out a second ;-) the ':' is always there
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08:54<enouf>i mean in the output of modinfo
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08:56<enouf>i thought you were perhaps referring to what the top of kernel-paramters.txt mentions about it all (see usb.blinkinlights and such)
08:56<enouf>what's at*
08:56<tuxcrafter>themill: i explaind in the beginning why i needed 2.6.30
08:56<enouf>ugh - hehe
08:57<tuxcrafter>themill: do you know how i can save the log hat m-a creates
08:57<jm_>ahh ok that clears it up, thanks
08:57<enouf>no prob ;-)
08:57<tuxcrafter>i cant find the location of the ouptut log
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08:57<jm_>m-a saves the log in /var/cache/modass - just think of a nice ass and you'll remember it
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08:58<themill>tuxcrafter: no, you explained why you needed nvidia over fglrx. I can't find anywhere where you say why you want 2.6.30. It's up to you whether you want pain or not though.
08:58<enouf>i used to see modass and just ass even laced throughout bug reports and couldn't help wondering ;-)
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08:59<mps>enouf: Ok! Thanks!
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09:01<tuxcrafter>themill: 14:35 < tuxcrafter> for the 2.6.26 kernel there is this package nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686 but i need the 2.6.30 kernel because i worked with the alsa developers for new feature and is only availible from 2.6.30
09:01<jm_>mps: I don't think there's a pressed setting to disable it, so you can set dummy config and another option is to somehow get it to not detect any network cards in which case it skips network config
09:02<themill>tuxcrafter: ahh missed that. Too many lines with no content.... it's easier for us to reread your backlog if you don't press enter after every 5th word, btw. Nvidia often takes quite a while to release a new driver that's compatible with the latest kernel btw
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09:03<enouf>my fault ... too many typos and corrections ...
09:03<tuxcrafter>themill: do you know how i can save that log the m-a created
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09:04<themill>tuxcrafter: [13:57] <jm_> m-a saves the log in /var/cache/modass - just think of a nice ass and you'll remember it
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09:05<fathom306>morinig guys
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09:06<fathom306>i was wondering if any one knows? how to share my wifi card connect ot xbox live with my laptop?
09:06<careta>anyone where using squeeze?
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09:09<mps>jm_: I guess you're right. Thanks!
09:09<tuxcrafter>themill: i found it
09:10<jm_>that looks like missing kernel headers to me
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09:11<tuxcrafter>jm_: ow thanks for the cache link i did not see the message :D
09:11<jm_>ahh no
09:11<jm_>tuxcrafter: struct proc_dir_entry' has no member named 'owner' is the one I remember for 2.6.30 - you need newer nvidia driver first
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09:12<drmay>hello, when running <$ dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot> i get: dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends} , I need some help on that, thanks
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09:13<drmay>why dh_makeshlibs and dh_shlibdeps don't replace this token in control?
09:14<tuxcrafter>jm_: thanks for the hint
09:14<themill>tuxcrafter: "m-a -i -q -l 2.6.30-1-686 build nvidia-kernel-source" worked for me with sid's version of the nvidia-kernel-source package.
09:14<tuxcrafter>sudo apt-get install -t experimental nvidia-kernel-source
09:14<tuxcrafter>themill: :D
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09:14<drmay>any channel to issue things elated to dpkg-buildpackage?
09:15<jm_>drmay: do you have debhelper installed?
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09:16<tuxcrafter>themill: jm_ if any of you guys gome to har2009 make sure to gome by my demo village you will get a few and some more beers :D
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09:17<jm_>does it have debian/substvars file?
09:17<drmay>let me see
09:17<tuxcrafter>Setting up nvidia-kernel-2.6.30-1-amd64 :D rebooting the system :D
09:18*tuxcrafter is going to pray got 4 dvi screens hanging on that system :D
09:18<drmay>jm_ i cannot find this file, so it isn't here
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09:20<drmay>jm_ couriously it doesn't complain about ${misc:Depends} which is also present in control file
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09:21<jm_>drmay: hmm not really sure where to look, one option would be to check if it runs dh_shlibdeps at all
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09:21<drmay>jm_ yes, it does
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09:43<tuxcrafter>themill: thanks for help it works now
09:43<tuxcrafter>jm_ < seems to be gone thank him for me later :D
09:43<themill>no worries
09:44<tuxcrafter>themill: to bad the novell radeon developers did not care about my issues
09:44<tuxcrafter>i have been working on the perfection of this system for a year now :D
09:44<tuxcrafter>and its becomming great
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09:49<eps1lon>Sorry for the nickchange spam. If I install debian with the KDE CD, is it 3.5 or 4.x?
09:51<themill>eps1lon: lenny comes with KDE 3.5.9/3.5.10
09:51<eps1lon>themill: thank you, and thank god for that
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09:59<Slurb>kde 4 is pretty but not all things work yet
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10:06*bremner awards Slurb the understatement-of-the-day medal
10:07*eps1lon agrees wholeheartedly with bremner
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10:15<Bimbo>hi, I friend of mine is trying to configure something belonging to network. He wants to setup a vmware server. Exists a command, that help you to know which ports are open.
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10:27<valdyn>Bimbo: netstat
10:27<valdyn>i bet he doesn't really mean open ports
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10:28<Bimbo>yes. ok. the friend did it. valdyn: thanks again.
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10:40*enouf wants a Bimbo as a friend
10:40<reeher>feh, can someone give me a big red arrow pointing to how I can have a full X session on my laptop pointing to a server? Something ala a remote desktop. I know it has to do with xhost, but I can't seem to find out How To do it.
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10:41<stew>reeher: forget xhost, its a security nightmare
10:41<enouf>xvncserver? rdesktop?
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10:42<enouf>reeher: yeah, as stew says, forget xhost +
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10:42<stew>reeher: there are many ways to do this. you can login to the server from yoru local machine using xdcmp. you can ssh -X to the remote server from your local X session and forward individual windows back to your local X server. you can use somehting like vnc to run a remote X session in a window in your local X server
10:42<stew>and probably others I'm forgetting
10:42<stew>perhaps ltsp
10:43<enouf>reeher: might need to omit the -nolisten tcp from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
10:43<reeher>stew: That's it, ssh -X!
10:43<dpkg>You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>.
10:43<reeher>enouf: Will do. Thanks, both of you!
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11:16<ttf>hi.. should a package containing a daemon (python-django) contain an initscript to start the daemon?
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11:30<enouf>ttf: you could checkout the python-django .postinst script
11:31<enouf>.pre* and .post* i suppose
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11:31<enouf>in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
11:32<enouf>ttf: also note; dpkg -L <pkgname>
11:32<ttf>enouf: I grepped for *init* debian/ of the source and did not find anything
11:32<ttf>so I suppose there is none
11:32<enouf>ttf: did it drop a file into /etc/default/ ?
11:32<ttf>I'm pretty sure there is no initscript - the question is why / if there shouldn't be one?
11:33<enouf>that;s where system daemons are configured - generally
11:33<enouf>ttf: i'd ask the maintainer or something
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11:33<enouf>ttf: but as i mentioned, please make sure you review the .postinst script very thoroughly
11:33<ttf>k - thanks
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11:34<enouf>ttf: since, it could easily check for things and generate an init (if necessary) .. i.e., if certain requirements are met
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11:35<enouf>not that i know if it does that or not - i have no idea - especially where that pkg is concerned
11:35<Tim>anyone use e17?
11:36<davi>Firefox amd64 crash from time to time even without using flash
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11:36<davi>Firefox sucks
11:36<davi>non-free software browsers sucks even more.
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12:09<Slurb>davi i use epiphany
12:10<Slurb>works great
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12:19<epsas>So I have a machine that is connected to the Internet several ways - T1, Cable, and DSL
12:19<epsas>right now the default gateway is set to the T1... however, I want to test whether the Cable connection works
12:20<epsas>is there a way to manually test whether a connection can reach the tubes WITHOUT changing the default gateway?
12:21<olet>you could add a route for something specific?
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12:22<olet>do you expect to have full net through it?
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12:25<olet>sudo route add gw <gw-ip> metric 10
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12:25<olet>and try and ping that
12:26<olet>that being
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12:27<arw>hello people
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12:30<epsas>olet - thanks, it works and it works ;)
12:30<epsas>the traceroute shows it is going through the host-specific route (the cable modem)
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12:31<olet>of course it is :)
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12:54<lancelot_of>hallo everybody is there any scigraphica user here?
12:54<lancelot_of>i need to install urgently scigraphica on my debian system
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13:05<bremner>lancelot_of: it looks like you will probably need to compile it
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13:09<lancelot_of>bremner, i get some errors
13:09<bremner>!tell lancelot_of -about ask
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13:11<lancelot_of>ok bremner
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13:13<bremner>lancelot_of: use apt-file or to look for what packages have your missing headers.
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13:14<gsimmons>lancelot_of: You might want to consider using QtiPlot instead. It's at least still supported upstream.
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13:18<lancelot_of>gsimmons, i used qtiplot but it's really unstable
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13:18<lancelot_of>gsimmons, after system upgrade it often crashes infact now i'm out of having a suitable software for data manipulation
13:19<lancelot_of>and graphs
13:19<lancelot_of>bremner, apt-file?
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13:19<bremner>if you don't have it installed, just use the web search on
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13:24<lancelot_of>bremner, i don't understand what i've not installed
13:25<Bernd_amd64>anyone knows about cpu scaling @ k10 ?
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13:34<BSDBlack>wie setzte ich einen kleinen Datenserver auf? für freunde und bekannte, dass sie da dateien hoch und runterladen können?
13:35<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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14:41<poncho>im looking anybody what installed crystallspace in debian
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14:42<poncho>i'm looking for someone who has installed correctly crystalspace3d in debian lenny
14:44<poncho>no body ?
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14:58<voipzapper>hey folks.
14:59<voipzapper>question from a n00b: aptitude is the preferred way to remove as well as install, right?
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15:01<florian>IDENTIFY flofloflorian
15:01<voipzapper>worr: and when i read the man pages, i see that it says it has a visual as well as commend line interface. but i am unclear as to how to access the visual version
15:02<worr>just do aptitude, with no arguments
15:02<worr>it'll give you a curses interface
15:02<voipzapper>i think i figured it out. they are talking about a text based visual interface, right? cool.
15:02<worr>it's really awesome when you wanna browse packages, but don't have a gui
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15:03<voipzapper>worr: "curses interface" - that is the term my head was searching for. thx
15:03<worr>yep, anytime
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15:04<voipzapper>worr: i see several package types, but i don't see the openoffice stuff listed anywhere... want to remove
15:05<worr>navigate with the arrow keys, and then press enter to open each section
15:05<worr>if you wanna search, type a / and then enter your search term and press enter
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15:06<voipzapper>ok. i found it. and thanks for those tips
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15:07<vvas>even more useful than enter is the [ key, which expands a section and all of its subsections (and ] un-expands them again)
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15:08<vvas>in fact, this is what turned aptitude from unusable to usable/indispensable
15:08<vvas>(for me)
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15:11<worr>some of the different search patterns that you can use in aptitude are pretty cool too
15:11<worr>those have proven pretty useful, though I'm by no means a master with them
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15:14<voipzapper>worr, vvas: wow. that is far more intricate than i was prepared for.
15:15<voipzapper>worr, vvas: could either of you suggest a more simple approach to remove selected packages?
15:15<voipzapper>problem: don't know exactly what they are called.
15:15<voipzapper>example: want to remove all of openoffice
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15:17<vvas>depends... what is it about aptitude that you're finding complicated?
15:17<worr>are you talking about having to pick out every different openoffice package installed and removing it?
15:17<ra12q>Hi all, i have an initramfs-tools problem with 2.6.30 from unstable, it bombs out when trying to regenerate the initramfs -- here's the pastebin output from "dpkg --configure -a" -- I can't get past this at all. Any ideas appreciated:
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15:21<Alien_475214>i need to install vuze how can i do that?
15:21<voipzapper>vvas: the curses interface in aptitude is not intutive to me
15:21<vvas>ra12q: no idea, i would check the bugtracker for either the kernel package or the initramfs-tools package
15:21<ra12q>Okey-dokey, vvas
15:21<Alien_475214>i have this file Vuze_Installer.tar.bz2
15:22<vvas>voipzapper: try pressing ?
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15:23<voipzapper>vvas: i was looking at that help screen and it confused me even more
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15:28<vvas>voipzapper: i would recommend sticking to GUI programs then
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15:36<Markao>can anybody help me to disable "tap-to-click' from my touchpad?
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15:37<Markao>anybody out there?
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15:38<bremner>can someone remind me what package the -misc-fixed fonts live in?
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15:40<bremner>!tell Markao -about wait
15:40<vvas>bremner: xfonts-base
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15:42<bremner>vvas: thanks.
15:43<Markao>hey guys I am using Lenny with XFCE ... I want to disable the TAP-TO-CLICK feature from the touchpad ... any clue? my xorg.conf is empty
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15:45<johny101010>has anyone been able to install metasploit framework 3 and have the plugins usable?
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15:47<J_Dahmer>I have been banned 3 times from Ubuntu now, and I didn't do a thing this third time
15:47<J_Dahmer>This aint right
15:48<J_Dahmer>being klined is no fun, how long's this going to last?
15:48<bremner>heh, but the first two times were legit?
15:48<stew>J_Dahmer: this channel is for end-user support of debian only
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15:49<J_Dahmer>Help get me back in Stew
15:49<stew>J_Dahmer: please keep this channel on-topic
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15:50<Markao>has anybody read my question:>????
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15:51<bremner>Markao: did you read what dpkg told you about waiting?
15:51<bremner>!tell Markao -about wait
15:52<bremner>look for a message from dpkg
15:52<hever_>Do you know a tool that logs my online time? I'm using a persistent internet connection and it seems the connection sometimes break. I'm not 100% sure but I'm going to run a daemon in the background to figure this out...
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15:52<Markao>bremmer got it
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15:54<bremner>Markao: I never used it, but maybe the program gsynaptics can help you
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15:59<Markao>gsynaptics is asking for enabling SHConfig at xorg.conf
15:59<Markao>but xorg.conf is empty
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16:06<asaleem>How do I install php 5.2.10 on etch with apt? The latest version I can get is 5.2.0
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16:07<judd>bja: php --
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16:07<bremner>judd: versions php5
16:07<judd>bremner: php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch15 sid: 5.2.6-5 lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 sid: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3 squeeze: 5.2.9.dfsg.1-4 sid: 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2 experimental: 5.3.0-2
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16:16<vvas>hever_: what kind of connection?
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16:17<hever>Ah. I was offline... I'm using a cable internet connection and connected via WLAN to it. The WLAN connection is not the problem but I'm going to monitor the main internet connection.
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16:17<hever>cable internet > internet over TV cable.
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16:23<hever>vvas, any idea ?
16:23<vvas>hever: well, the first thing i would look at is whether the cable modem/router provides this information on its web interface; they usually do
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16:25<bremner>!tell Markao -about msg
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16:29<hever>vvas, I'm using a "FritzBox" it has no detailed informations just an online time and data volume counter
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16:31<vvas>ok, and isn't the online time counter reset when the connection is dropped?
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16:34<hever>vvas, no
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16:35<voipzapper>hello again all you lovely debian fans
16:36<voipzapper>query: in aptitude when using the cli, is there a package name for the openoffice suite?
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16:38<vvas>hever: ok, nothing specific comes to mind then, i guess if you don't find anything it should be easy enough to make something (that pings/connects to a known server etc)
16:39<mantra>voipzapper: you can search using
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16:41<voipzapper>thx mantra
16:41<hever>vvas, You mean run a ping and forward its output to syslog or something to get the timestamp ?
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16:43<vvas>hever: perhaps something a bit more sophisticated than that, but that's the general idea :^)
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16:52<voipzapper>i've been looking but don't see a way to "show only installed packages" in synaptic
16:53<voipzapper>trying to uninstall a bunch of stuff and want to see only what is installed on system rather than every package in the universe
16:54<bremner>voipzapper: don't know synaptic from a touch pad, but dpkg -l | grep ^ii should give you a list
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16:54<bremner>mind you, that list is big
16:55<craigevil>synaptic has categories, Installed, Not Installed etc, you can do dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile to get a text file of installed packages
16:55<Gesichtslos>Hey, forgive me if I'm not going about querying for help the right way. However, I just recently installed Debian Lenny amd64 onto my Desktop which is using an Asus P6T6 X58 Motherboard. My ethernet controller is a Realtek RTL8111/8168B. Debian is recognizing that the Ethernet controll is there but seems unable to connect to the internet? Any ideas? I'm inside Ubuntu 9.04 amd64 atm.
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16:56<Gesichtslos>voipzapper: In Ubuntu 9.04 if I got to Synaptic and go to Settings then click filters. I can check to only show Installed packages in there.
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16:57<voipzapper>Gesichtslos, ah. a filter. THAT is what i was looking for. thx
16:57<Gesichtslos>No problem.
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16:58<craigevil>Gesichtslos: try the 2.6.30 kernel in backports
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16:59<Gesichtslos>craigevil: Would there be a way to perhaps download a driver/fix in Ubuntu or Windows and then install it in Debian while offline?
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16:59<bremner>Gesichtslos: sure, just put the .deb you need on a usb key
17:00<Gesichtslos>bremner: I know but I'm trying to figure out what .deb I need.
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17:00<Gesichtslos>Would it be a driver even if Debian is recognizing the Ethernet Controller in the Settings->Network menu?
17:01<bremner>well, you could try what craigevil suggested
17:01*bremner leaves the two of you to sort that out...
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17:02<Gesichtslos>I'd be up for it but I feel I'd be lost in the process. I've only really dealt with the kernel once while installing Gentoo a while back and even that was on noob terms.
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17:03<bremner>the kernel is just another .deb (more or less). You just need the right one...
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17:03<Gesichtslos>Oh, cool. Are there any downsides to backporting the Kernel to 2.6.30?
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17:05<debuser4235>who said that your current kernel is the culprit?
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17:05<Gesichtslos>craigevil suggested that I backport to 2.6.30
17:05<debuser4235>you need to analyze the problem first
17:06<craigevil>Gesichtslos: you might just need to modprobe the module, does lsmod show the modules
17:06<Gesichtslos>I don't know. lspci listed the controllers and I'm in Ubuntu right now. Should I reboot into Debian quick to check?
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17:06<Gesichtslos> Also found this page.
17:06<Gesichtslos>Is this the problem?
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17:09<debuser4235>the article is kinda old
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17:09<Gesichtslos>I noticed with Hardy being mentioned but the Ethernet controller he mentioned is the exact output of my lspci | grep Ethernet
17:09<Gesichtslos>09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02)
17:09<Gesichtslos>0a:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02)
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17:11<vvas>if that's the problem, might be worth trying out a backported 2.6.30
17:11<vvas>debuser4235: the article is old, but 2.6.26 isn't exactly super-new either
17:11<mantra>is there a way to have an extra monitor that is only on sometimes?
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17:12<mantra>i wanna plug my TV into my computer and only enable it when i need it
17:12<Gesichtslos>vvas: What are the drawbacks - if any - of backporting to 2.6.30?
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17:13<vvas>mantra: yes, it should be doable either with the xrandr command line program or with the graphic equivalent of your desktop environment
17:13<vvas>mantra: not sure though
17:13<mantra>ok thanks
17:13<mantra>at least i know its possible
17:13<debuser4235>2.6.26 is maintained, so I don't see why it would work
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17:14<vvas>Gesichtslos: most likely none
17:14<debuser4235>he at least could check what lsmod and ifconfig have to print
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17:14<Gesichtslos>Ok I'll boot into Debian and run those two commands and save the output. Then I'll boot back into Ubuntu and post them in irc.
17:14<Gesichtslos>I'll brb.
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17:24<denisesballs>hey, anyone around to answer stupid USB installer questions? i am booting to the installer and can mount the usb disk and everything but i keep getting no cdrom detected
17:24<denisesballs>its probably something so simple
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17:26<Gesichtslos>Ok here is the output from the two commands:
17:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
17:27<Gesichtslos>joe@ManCave1:~$ lsmod
17:27<Gesichtslos>Module Size Used by
17:27<Gesichtslos>nls_utf8 6272 1
17:27<Gesichtslos>nls_cp437 11136 1
17:27<Gesichtslos>vfat 14976 1
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17:27<vvas>ffs, he was actually going to paste the entire output of lsmod
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17:28<Gesichtslos>Hmm flooder isn't letting me post it. Should I upload it online in html format?
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17:33<mantra>is there a way to make xterm set its title as the application it is running?
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17:35<Gesichtslos> Not really that seasoned with Linux but this article looks like it might do the trick. Then again someone might have a way better solution.
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17:37<cahoot>mantra like xterm -e <app>?
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17:38<enouf>mantra: i think so .. wait .. well mrxvt has profiles and tabs ;-)
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17:38<Gesichtslos>So I could be wrong but it doesn't look like any ethernet controllers are showing up in my lsmod ( Does that point to a Driver issue?
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17:39<mantra>enouf: maybe i finally have a reason to switch to mrxvt now
17:39<craigevil>Gesichtslos: i would just grab the 2.6.30 from backports
17:40<vvas>Gesichtslos: sure they do
17:40<vvas>r8169 31492 0
17:40<debuser4235>Gesichtslos: run ifconfig as rot
17:40<Slurb>Gesichtslos: its a kernel issue probly
17:40<enouf>mantra: note, there's a mini version, i'm using regular mrxvt, which also pulls in mrxvt-common
17:40<vvas>Gesichtslos: it looks like what the article you found was talking about
17:40<vvas>Gesichtslos: so yeah, i'd try 2.6.30 before anything else
17:41<Gesichtslos>Ok can't hurt I suppose.
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17:46<mantra>so what practical features does mrxvt add?
17:46<mantra>and is it eazy to theme?
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17:48<petern>people theme terminal windows? *boggle*
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17:48<mantra>yeah especially if they come in ugly black on white
17:49<mantra>i mean the text color themes btw
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17:49<boing2___>Hi all, i have an initramfs-tools problem with 2.6.30 from unstable, it bombs out when trying to regenerate the initramfs -- here's the pastebin output from "dpkg --configure -a" -- I can't get past this at all. Any ideas appreciated:
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17:51<enouf>boing2___: which kernel-package version?
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17:52<enouf>boing2___: read this
17:52<enouf>boing2___: notice new /etc/kernel dir
17:53<boing2___>enouf: If I could boot into my install, I would tell you. I will go read that, thanks.
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17:54<boing2___>Thing is though, the modules on the debian-install CD obviously exist, so what the hell is it with what's in the 2.6.30 stock kernel from Debian which has changed. It's a joke.,
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17:55<enouf>debian install cd?
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17:55<enouf>debian install cds don't need to regenerate initrds
17:56<enouf>(barring any hankey panky needed for stupid firmware shits)
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17:57<boing2___>i know that, but the kernel version as installed from the lenny debian install CD worked fine. Now it doesn't, along with not working with the 2.6.30 kernel -- and I am buggered if I know why. In fact, *only* the lenny debian installer CD works in terms of recognising my hard disk -- anything newer than that fails -- and I only have an ich7 controller -- and no, there's no BIOS oddities going on.
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18:03<enouf>boing2___: is that a bpo kernel?
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18:04<enouf>boing2___: any reason you need a .30? i mean what's wrong with debian's .26?
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18:04<debuser4235>he said it's about the unstable kernel
18:04<enouf>boing2___: boot the installer cd, and alt-f4 and watch, run lsmod in alt-f2
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18:06<boing2___>enouf: I wouldn't mind, no, but that's not the point -- clearly, some module that *was* part of the initrdfs has gone walkies sometime after the kernel in lenny and unstable -- this is bad. The point at which it freezes suggests the "rootdelay" option to the kernel which I have tried, along with all manner of "irqpoll, nobios", etc., to no avail.
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18:07<enouf>$ apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r) | xargs
18:07<enouf>linux-image-2.6.29-2-686: Installed: 2.6.29-5 Candidate: 2.6.29-5 Version table: *** 2.6.29-5 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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18:08<enouf>apt-cache search ... shows many .30s
18:09<enouf>oh duh
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18:10<enouf>$ apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-686 | xargs
18:10<enouf>linux-image-2.6-686: Installed: (none) Candidate: 2.6.30+20 Version table:
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18:10<boing2___>That's nice.
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18:11<enouf>boing2___: i know there's been issues with a) SiL or SiS b) pata_marvell .. and some others
18:11<enouf>boing2___: you don't know your disk controller module's name? lspci -k
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18:12<enouf>wait, what?
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18:12<itoons>coolty c'est une pute il tappe a ma place
18:13<boing2___>I wouldn't mind that, but thanks to apt-get wanting to rightly install the .30 kernel and the fact the fucking initrd has to be rebuilt for the kernel from lenny and the new .30 kernel being installed means I have to most likely repeat the fucking installation *yet* again. Fucking farce. Why all the fuck arounds, anyway? This *obviously* worked in lenny -- heck, the fat that the installer CD for lenny lets me chroot
18:13<boing2___>into /dev/sda1 *proves* that, for crying out loud.
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18:15<petemc>boing2___: there should be a backup of the old initrd, does that still work?
18:15<enouf>boing2___: bpo has a .30
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18:15<boing2___>petemc: god knows, as per my pastebin reference until I resolve dpkg's problems, I can't do much else. :)
18:15<boing2___>enouf: Right, and?
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18:16<petemc>boing2___: you can edit grubs config
18:16<boing2___>I apologise for my outburst but this has left my machine fucked.
18:16<dpkg>i heard tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first.
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18:16<petemc>boing2___: or rename the backup
18:16<enouf>boing2___: you can't boot into your lenny kernel?
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18:16<boing2___>petemc: Yes, but where's the backup? I don't see it under /boot/grub or symlinked from /
18:17<petemc>should be in boot
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18:17<boing2___>enouf: No, not at present -- guess why: It hangs waiting for /dev/sda1 to come alive, despite my rootdelay=900
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18:17<boing2___>petemc: Well, I will give it a go.
18:17<enouf>boing2___: "but thanks to apt-get wanting to rightly install the .30 kernel" <-- do you mean .. ahhh
18:17<qkgus>anyone know how to make usb 2.0 compatible with linux?
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18:18<boing2___>enouf: Hmm? Or has the penny dropped? ;)
18:18<enouf>boing2___: move the disk to another controller and attempt it? But did you let apt-get/aptitude *remove* your known working kernel?
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18:19<enouf>boing2___: but the bpo .30 was backported for Lenny ... so that might not have all the changes Unstable does
18:19<petemc>qkgus: use a kernel from within the last 6 or 7 years
18:20<boing2___>I can't move it to another controller, and no I didn't *let* it remove anything -- far from it, I have the lenny kernel installed and now the .30 from unstable, but at the point apt-get via a dist-upgrade attempted to install initramfs-tools, it decided it had to rebuild my initramfs for both the lenny kernel and the .30 one, hence the pastebin earlier.
18:20<enouf>qkgus: it's not?
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18:20<enouf>oh, so you blew a dist-upgrade? from Lenny to Unstable?
18:20<qkgus>petemc: im using the latest
18:20<debuser4235>boing2: you could try to edit the boot param root=UUID= and use the UUID of your boot partition, maybe the order of your drives has changed
18:20<enouf>it shouldn't have touched your Lenny initrd
18:21<qkgus>enouf: 1mb/s for file transfer speed
18:21<enouf>qkgus: that's not 2.0
18:21<enouf>qkgus: try esata instead ;-)
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18:21<qkgus>enouf: i know. im sayin i got an external hd and thats the file transfer speed
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18:22<enouf>qkgus: you sure you have 2.0 capable Bus/Controller?
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18:22<enouf>pretty sure dmesg will say highspeed or 2.0
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18:22<qkgus>enouf: yep. right of the box usb 2.0 cable
18:22<enouf>qkgus: there is no 2.0 "cable"
18:23<qkgus>enouf: everything is right out of the box being usb 2.0 compatible, sorry for horrible wording.
18:23<enouf>oh - no worries
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18:24<enouf>qkgus: so pastebin your /var/log/dmesg
18:24<SuperMiguel>usign debian i want to copy 500gb from an ext3 hd to a fat32 hd, when i use cp it skips few files, when i use rsync chown fails in few files... What can i use?
18:24<enouf>boing2___: ICH7 uses AHCI, no? or is yours not SATA drives?
18:25<abrotman>SuperMiguel: why does it skip them?
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18:25<Kjetil>you could just ignore the chown messages I *think*
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18:25<enouf>shame with the initrd thing though ... boing2___ just go grab a new .deb off of and install it, there'll be a fresh initrd inside.
18:26<SuperMiguel>abrotman, no idea i just know that when i do a df on them, one file is 500gb and the copy is 460gb
18:26<enouf>boing2___: or, just dpkg -x it and take the initrd out ;-)
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18:26<enouf>swap it with your bad one, and boot ;-)
18:26<SuperMiguel>abrotman, i guess it skip few files
18:27<enouf>boing2___: i'm guessing you had benn using Yaird previously?
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18:27<enouf>boing2___: initramfs-tools should've already been there - unless you mean a newer version got installed
18:27<boing2___>enouf: Yes to AHCI, god knows to Yaid or otherwise. I don't knowingly remember it directly.
18:28<enouf>boing2___: you can add modules to your initrd - see /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and update-initramfs -u -k $(uname -r)
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18:28<enouf>boing2___: add == list them
18:29<enouf>SuperMiguel: haha .. you're lucky
18:29<SuperMiguel>enouf, why?
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18:30<enouf>SuperMiguel: i used rsync -a as a test, and one backup of dir1/ was like 18M on reiserfs from resierfs, but to vfat? same dir/ was 26M O_o
18:31<boing2___>enouf: OK, that's useful to know, thanks. But how does that help me when installing initramfs-tools is failing in the first place (see original pastebin reference.)
18:31<SuperMiguel>enouf, ya im going from ext3 to fat32
18:31<enouf>SuperMiguel: oh .. i see .. well rsync fails because fat32 has NO FUCKEN CONCEPT of nix perms ;-)
18:31<SuperMiguel>enouf, so.. how can i copy it?
18:31<enouf>SuperMiguel: i mean that gently .. sincerely - sorry for the shouting
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18:31<enouf>SuperMiguel: tar and gzip
18:31<SuperMiguel>enouf, np
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18:32<SuperMiguel>enouf, what u mean?
18:32<enouf>SuperMiguel: wipe the fat32 and put a real FSType on there?
18:32<SuperMiguel>enouf, i need windows to read it :(
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18:32<enouf>SuperMiguel: and i don't mean for you to even consider ntfs
18:32<enouf>SuperMiguel: use tar and use gzip to complement it
18:33<enouf>SuperMiguel: however ,.. ufff
18:33<boing2___>And even then, how do I know which modules I would need to add to the initrd? I can't help but think I need to step back a moment - there must be loads of people out there using the ICH7 controller using Debian just fine --- else we'd have heard about it by now, in a more serious way, so could it actually be something else I am not considering?
18:33<enouf>fat32 has a FOUR GB limitation :-P
18:33<enouf>oh well
18:33<enouf>!shoot fat32
18:33*dpkg blows fat32 away with a wand of fireballs
18:33<SuperMiguel>enouf, :( so... whats my best bet
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18:34<enouf>boing2___: yes, it's always good to step away for a bit - ... really is
18:34<enouf>boing2___: boot any thing that will boot, and lsmod and lspci -k and /msg dpkg what's my hardware (here, now)
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18:34<enouf>boing2___: and save output of lspci -nn somewhere
18:35<enouf>boing2___: you want/need the [xxxx:xxxx] PCIIDs
18:35<enouf>boing2___: judd, a bot heree knows about them
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18:36<boing2___>But I have no idea what the problem is, other than any booting kernel Debian gives me dropping to an initrdfs busybox shell which I can't type into anyway (USB keyboard?) -- but before that busybox prompt. it does suggests reasons being missing modules, etc. Missing/incorrect root= option (confused -- c.f. the installer CD works. )
18:36<enouf>judd pccid 1274:1371
18:36<judd>enouf: Error: "pccid" is not a valid command.
18:36<enouf>judd pciid 1274:1371
18:36<judd>enouf: [1274:1371] is 'ES1371 [AudioPCI-97]' from 'Ensoniq' with kernel module 'snd-ens1371' in lenny. See also
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18:36<enouf>boing2___: boot the Installer CD
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18:37<boing2___>I will -- that does at least allow me a chroot to my hard disk.
18:37<enouf>boing2___: no need - just grab the module information
18:38<enouf>boing2___: alt-f2 for a sh, and alt-f4 for messages
18:38<boing2___>I assume that's in "rescue mode"? Or doesn't even that matter?
18:38<enouf>no need
18:39<enouf>just quit the installer when you get to partitioning ;-)
18:39<enouf>er by the time ...
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18:39<enouf>boing2___: AFAIR., the installer doesn't write anything to disk until AFTER you go through that stage
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18:41<enouf>boing2___: well, sure too - you _could_ chroot if you wanted to attempt toying with your initrds as i mentioned
18:41<enouf>there's a million ways out i can think of - not sure which is easiest/best
18:41<boing2___>enouf: Right -- am at the pat
18:42<enouf>Pat Robers?
18:42<boing2___>enouf: Right -- am at the patitioning stage, there's output on F4, and I have a shell -- what is it I am looking for from lsmod specifically?
18:43<boing2___>i see ahci, piix, libata, ide_generic, ide_cd_mod, ide_core
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18:46<dpkg>well, volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>.
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18:49<damiank>i made it!
18:49<damiank>it was hard but now i have 1024x768 :)
18:49<damiank>it was a monitor setting he
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18:51*abrotman blames sney
18:52<enouf>boing2___: run lspci -nn
18:52<enouf>boing2___: show us any all IDE/SATA Controller lines
18:52<enouf>but those seem correct for your ICH7
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18:53<enouf>boing2___: you have SATA or PATA disks?
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18:55<enouf>boing2___: ok
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18:55<enouf>boing2___: there's no other controller onboard,. suck like a Marvell , or JMicron or .. it doesn't matter, i guess
18:56<enouf>boing2___: you sure you didn't move/juggle your disks? Physically OR through CMOS/BIOS setup?
18:56<enouf>heh s/suck/such
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18:57<abrotman>judd: info kde-icons-oxygen --release squeeze
18:57<judd>abrotman: kde-icons-oxygen (kde): is optional; Version: 4:4.2.4-2; Size: 63840.6k; Installed: 83692k -- Oxygen icon theme for KDE 4
18:58<abrotman>seriously? 80MB ?
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18:59<Slurb>they are some serious icons
19:00<themill>abrotman: by the time you have 16 versions of each icon.... it seems so.
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19:01<enouf>abrotman: themill does/will judd ever offer the Description line? i can see why not though .. heh
19:01<abrotman>that's the short description
19:01<enouf>note what i asked ;-)
19:01<abrotman>huh ?
19:01<themill>enouf: you mean the long description?
19:01<abrotman>i has what you ask for ?
19:01<abrotman>it has
19:01<enouf>i specifically said "Description"
19:02<enouf>the way it appears in apt-cache show <pkgname>
19:02<enouf>themill: aye
19:02<abrotman>Description: Oxygen icon theme for KDE 4
19:02<abrotman>Description: Oxygen icon theme for KDE 4
19:02<abrotman>that is the description
19:02<abrotman>but there is a long and a short
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19:03<enouf>$ apt-cache show hdparm | grep Desc | xargs
19:03<enouf>Description: tune hard disk parameters for high performance Description: tune hard disk parameters for high performance
19:03<themill>enouf: the "Description" line (singular) is only the single line that judd reports there. I'm not sure that the long description is in the db
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19:03<enouf>i can't even do it right .. heh
19:04<enouf>themill: right o .. i mean, for something like 'devscripts' the output would wreak havoc ;-)
19:04<boing2___>Steven_M: Ah, one of the many bot-proxy-hiders. I assume that was directed at me?
19:04<themill>enouf: quite
19:05<enouf>i meant to paste; Description: tune hard disk parameters for high performance Get/set device parameters for Linux SATA/IDE drives. Primary use is for enabling irq-unmasking and IDE multiplemode
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19:05<abrotman>enouf: somewhere there is a space
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19:06<abrotman>enouf: the line that starts with the Get/set is the beginning of the long description
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19:07<boing2___>The "I don't have anything to contribute" types, but I can look powerful by memorising bot commands which I'll sporadically spew at people to make them aware of my amazing bot powers, whilst not actually contributing FA.
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19:07<enouf>abrotman: ahh .. i never quite noticed that ... i thought .. nm
19:08<abrotman>enouf: so basically .. the first line is the short desc, and the line that is indented one space is the beginning of the long dessc
19:09<enouf>boing2___: bots are programmed, just like computers are - for one to intelligently use something designed for specific purposes, in a courteous and targeted manner == win win
19:09<enouf>abrotman: gotcha
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19:10<abrotman>themill: oh sure .. be the showoff .. pull out the documentation link
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19:10<enouf>themill: this is not the installer or even a pkg@!
19:10*abrotman just used his *brains*
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19:10<Woet>how would I list all directories recursively?
19:11<Woet>ls -alR does that, but I don't want to know the files
19:11<enouf>use -R ?
19:11<abrotman>Woet: find
19:11<themill>dpkg: tell Woet about using find
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19:36<zzz>hi i need help :)
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19:37<zzz>i have installed the testing version from a usb device and when i reboot my keyboard is in qwerty instead of azerty , i have try to pass locale=fr_FR keyb=fr but it doesn t work
19:37<zzz>any idea?
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19:39<dpkg>from memory, volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>.
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19:42<themill>Steven_M: you can also /msg dpkg volatile
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19:50<stroyan>zzz: Perhaps you have been affected by but changing XkbLayout as well as FONT*. You could try changing /etc/default/console-setup to have XKBLAYOUT="fr"
19:51<voipzapper>karl? you still here?
19:51<zzz>i am not logging with gdm or kdm it s not an xkblayout problem
19:51<zzz>(i think )
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19:52<zzz>because i have crypted my partitions and i can not unlock them when typing the password
19:52<stroyan>zzz: That file is used for console settings by /bin/setupcon
19:53<zzz>the / is not yet mounted
19:53<zzz>only the /boot
19:53<stroyan>zzz: It might have been copied into /etc of the initrd.
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19:54<zzz>i have crypted all partition execept /boot in fact so what i have is grub menu =>booting kernel=> passphrase to unlock the /
19:54<zzz>i will take a look
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19:56<panv>please, does anyone knows how to retrieve saved password in ICEDOVE ??
19:56<panv>i just forgot my password, and cannot get it back...
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19:57<stroyan>zzz: The "man initramfs.conf" page says that KEYMAP can be set to apply or not apply a console keymap in the initramfs.
19:59<zzz>the options in the initrd are priotary to options passed to kernel?
20:01<mastroquet>panv: you mean the master password?
20:02<abrotman>proprietary ?
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20:05<panv>i mean the account password..
20:05<panv>my connection is so bad, and i cannot reset the password.
20:05<panv>i am using
20:06<panv>so , i need to know the location where icedove saves my mail gmx password
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20:06<mastroquet>panv: there's an option in the preferences of icedove to show the saved passwords -- you'll get a warning, but you can do it
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20:08<panv>thanks mastroquet
20:08<panv>i got it...
20:08<panv>and i remember it by the way...
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20:35<ankur>i was wondering if someone could help me a bit im new at debian
20:35<ankur>linux in general
20:35<shell> so i got this great game tremulous but the graphic setting are not up to par and i honastly do not know what to do is there some sort of autoconfig like option?
20:35<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
20:35<enouf>!tell ankur -about msgthebot
20:36<dpkg>it has been said that tutorial is at
20:36<dpkg>A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
20:36<enouf>ahh crap - sorry
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20:37<ankur>lol bots not helping
20:37<shell>did i just get completely ignored?
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20:37<enouf>ankur: if you want to - when you can also see and google for '"rute" linux unix'
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20:37<ankur>lol the bot asked me if i was smoking crack
20:37<bja|afk>ankur: apt-get install rutebook
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20:38<ankur>wats the command to install unrar
20:38<enouf>ankur: focus on Learning the Shell too
20:38<dpkg>unrar is probably a <non-free> package and utility to extract <RAR> 3.0 archives. For earlier archive versions, ask me about <unrar-free>.
20:38<shell>so i got this great game (tremulous) but the graphic setting are not up to par and i honastly do not know what to do is there some sort of autoconfig like option?
20:39<enouf>!tell ankur -about non-free
20:39<enouf>!tell ankur -about contrib
20:39<ankur>enouf rutebook gave me an error
20:39<ankur>it says package rutebook is not available but is referred to by antoher package
20:40<ankur>package rutebook has no installation candidate
20:40<enouf>judd: versions rutebook
20:40<judd>enouf: rutebook -- etch/non-free: 1.0-1.1 sid/non-free: 1.0-1.1 squeeze/non-free: 1.0-1.1
20:41<ankur>i get that message everytime i try to install something
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20:41<enouf>see the non-free and contrib stuff i made dpkg send you ankur
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20:41<enouf>ankur: apt-get update
20:41<enouf>ankur: and read read read
20:41<ankur>i read it
20:42<ankur>doesnt help
20:42<ankur>it just tells me what it is lol
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20:42<ankur>im upto date.
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20:53<enouf>wow - never knew we had 'rutebook' avail :-O .. i installed the targz off the web :-P
20:53<enouf>ankur incorrect
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20:55<bja|afk>enouf: Found out about it long time ago
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20:56<enouf>bja: remind me
20:57<enouf>oh - the rutebook you meant
20:57<enouf>not you
20:57<enouf>yes you?
20:57<enouf>there was some other bja<TAB> person here
20:57<enouf>how common is that?
20:57<enouf>bja|afk was the nick
20:57<enouf>oh - heh
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20:58<enouf>stupid yellow text
20:58*enouf adjusts the phase of his monitor
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21:01<enouf>ahh shit, no help (brightness is a 0 and contrast 100 and even the various Hz were cycled through) .. guess i need to alter .. erm
21:02<enouf>how about this stupid white Reversed Video bg ?
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21:05<enouf>ahh white on black -- nice -- guess i need to switch back and forth on occassion
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21:46<kop>Shucks. I was hoping pages like would look better in iceweasel in lenny than they did in etch. No joy. :-(
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21:50<Steven_M>bja: themill: sorry, I didn't know the proper way to use factoids
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21:50<sun>hi what is a simple package that will let me see what wirelessnetworks are around and then allow me to cnnect to one? im looking for someting like on windows/mac etc.
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21:52<abrotman>sun: wireless-tools .. you can use the CLI tools to scan
21:53<bremner>sun: wicd or network-manager
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21:57<sun>thanks abrotman and bremner!
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22:00<macbeth>hola.. i've got a debian 5.0.2 server (2.6.26-2-xen-686) which is randomly crashing. i've looked through all the system logs and can't find any evidence as to why it's crashing. where else can I look for clues?
22:00<vook>is it possible to get a BSD style console mouse curser from gpm ?
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22:02<gecko_>how to know if my cpu is a x86, and how to know if is a 32 or 64 bits processor ?
22:03<gecko_>im using pentium dual core e2180
22:04<macbeth>gecko_ run "uname -m"
22:04<macbeth>what's it say?
22:05<gecko_>i686 is the architecture
22:05<abrotman>he's asking about the hardware .. not the software
22:05<abrotman>gecko_: cat /proc/cpuinfo .. look at the flags .. look for the 'lm' flag
22:05<macbeth>abrotman: then help the man
22:05<vook>gecko_: if it's not an itanium - it's likely 32 bit.
22:06<abrotman>vook: uhm .. not likely .. they sell very few 32bit x86 CPUs now
22:06<gecko_>so its a 64 bit processor running a 32 bit kernel?
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22:06<abrotman>gecko_: possibly
22:06<stew>vook: are you sure you know what an itanium is?
22:07<gecko_>every intel is a x86/
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22:07<sney`>itanium is intel IA64
22:07<abrotman>he wasn't asking you!
22:07<sney`>but they're discontinued and not very common
22:07<sney`>most intels are some form of x86.
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22:07<bja>vook: There are a lot of machines rolling out on 64 bits
22:08<abrotman>sney`: not discontinued
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22:08<sney`>no? I thought the Itanium 2 was put to rest a couple years ago
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22:08<abrotman>sney`: the line is continuing .. whatever the name is now ..
22:08*vook removes foot from mouth
22:09<sney`>anyway gecko_ your dual core pentium appears to be this,
22:09<sney`>which is x86-64.
22:09<abrotman>yay 64bit!
22:09<Tecna>the debian mirror i've been using for synaptic appears to be down. can someone tell me how to change to another mirror?
22:09<gecko_>ty guys
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22:10<Tecna>and reccomend a mirror in the northeast USA other than to use
22:10<Tecna>(or close to NE USA)
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22:10<abrotman>Tecna: down? is in pittsburgh .. columbia is in NYC, udel is in .. Delaware .. MIT is in boston
22:11<abrotman>jhmc is in baltimore i htink
22:11<Tecna>MIT has good servers... I thik I'll use them.
22:11<sney`>if that's johns hopkins then yes baltimore
22:11<Tecna>how can I chang to it?
22:11<sney`>edit your sources.list
22:12<sney`>it's in /etc/apt/
22:12<Tecna>what URL should I put in for it?
22:13<dpkg>it has been said that debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or, see also <debmirror>.
22:13<Tecna>thank you
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22:14<sney`>man sources.list should also show you the syntax information
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22:15<kop>I finally installed gnash. How would i download a video to play? I tried using iceweasel/ and right clicking on the "video box" to call up "properties" and tried clicking on the 'save media as' button, but that seemed to get a file that does not play. I'd like to test this out.
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22:16<sney`>kop: there are sites that can save youtube video to disk as .flv files
22:16<sney`>such as
22:16<kop>sney': What's a .flv? Saved flash video?
22:16<sney`>basically yes
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22:16<sney`>technically I think it's some kind of mpeg wrapper ..
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22:17<kop>sney': I'll give it a go. (I suspect it won't work because I'm running the Xserver from a 10Mbps link. Gotta get another nic....)
22:19<tcsetattr>youtube-dl to download the flv, then play it with a movie player, you don't need any gnash
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22:24<kop>tcsetattr : youtube-dl is a website?
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22:30<kop>sney`: gnash seems to want a .swf, not a .flv.
22:30<sney`>well I don't know, download something from or something
22:30<kop>But an mp4 plays (although the audio codec is missing so there's no sound.)
22:31<enouf>kop: no, it's a pkg
22:31<enouf>wait ,, wtf?
22:31<enouf>!youtube script
22:31<dpkg>methinks youtube script is see so you can instantly watch youtube videos using mplayer No need for big BLOATED browsers and their Plugins and Extensions.. Updated (August 09 2008 - thanks amphi) added versatility and improved functionality. An alternative is the 'youtube-dl' package (in Sid now only it seems - (and some etch-m68k pkgs)), another option is "clive".
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22:31*enouf checks that the URL is still active :-P
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22:32<sney`>here kop download this
22:32<enouf>judd: versions youtube-dl
22:32<judd>enouf: youtube-dl -- sid: 2008.03.22-1
22:32<enouf>wow - still -- sid
22:33<enouf>!factinfo youtube script
22:33<dpkg>youtube script -- created by enouf <> at Thu Aug 7 00:35:38 2008 (355 days); last modified at Tue Apr 21 16:52:17 2009 by enouf!; it has been requested 77 times, last by enouf, 1m 30s ago.
22:33<kop>enouf : Yeah, I'm sid adverse. Maybe it'l hit bpo someday.
22:33<enouf>1 yr old almost -- heh
22:33<enouf>kop: bpo is good
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22:33<Tecna>MIT is working very well. Thanks for your help, genties and ladlemen.
22:33<enouf>kop: the 'script' requires no installation of anything from sid
22:33<enouf>!dmm lenny
22:33<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
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22:34<kop>enouf: Right. I'm making a note. (I'm lazy now and quitting until later.) (Right. I've got dmm.)
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22:34<enouf>kop: SWF sucks ass
22:34<enouf>stay away kop
22:35<enouf>use your silly "browser" plugin for that crap .. i use mplayer exclusivley
22:35<enouf>as you can see from statement
22:35<kop>enouf : It's already hung my browser once. But I wanted to try gnash in stand-alone mode.
22:35<enouf>kop: that's why ther
22:35<enouf>kop: that's why there's FlashBlock ;-)
22:36<enouf>and AdBlock ;-)
22:36<enouf>kop: i used to use almost nothing but "/msg dpkg links2"
22:36<enouf>but every now and then - i'd need to fire up .. er .. KonqOut ...
22:36*enouf runs
22:37<enouf>i COMPLETELY removed any/all kde crap now .. and use IW (Debian)
22:37<enouf>only when i need - the SaveSessions plugin is awesome after a crash as are those other two
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22:38<kop>enouf : I
22:38<kop>enouf : I'm of the same mind. I don't want flash in my browser.
22:39<enouf>it's actually an "Addon" (has no idea what the diff is between an "extension", an "addon", a "plugin") but .. it's called "Session Manager"
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22:52<dpkg>You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at Then, read the Debian Reference at, or 'apt-get install rutebook' and read!
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22:53<enouf>oh shit - wrong network - heh
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23:29<sirtas>i can't get wget to download (on does it work for you? do you know some wget arguments that could help me?
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23:40<jprice>hey, where can I file a bug report?
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23:44<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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