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---Logopened Tue Jul 28 00:00:08 2009
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00:00<arw>Hello, i was reading the debian policy manual and i found this:
00:00<arw>5.3 Binary package control files -- DEBIAN/control
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00:00<arw>I want to know what is inside of debian/control to«manage» package's sources generated ?
00:00<arw>and what must be in DEBIAN/control to manage the binary generated?
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00:05<jmarsden>arw: For info on Debian packaging start with
00:05<arw>jmarsden: thank you very much
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00:08<enouf>arw: /msg dpkg debian/control
00:09<enouf>arw: /msg dpkg mentors
00:09<arw>enouf: thank you
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00:14<attacker>hi guys
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00:23<Gesichtslos>Perhaps somebody could help me here. I'm trying to make the switch from Ubuntu to Debian and I've hit two minor blocks. The first being how to go about grabbing all of the proprietary stuff from Ubuntu-Restricted-Extras for debian. The second and more important being that even after I've installed my nVidia 9800 GTX+'s drivers moving windows around in Debian is still a bit choppy. Overall Ubuntu seems like it's a bit smooth
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00:24<Gesichtslos>I should mention for the first issue I ran "sudo apt-get intall flashplugin-nonfree gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse libdvdread3 liblame0 msttcorefonts sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin unrar" but things like flash still seem lacking.
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00:28<stew>i don't think there is any stuff in Ubuntu-Restricted-Extras for debian
00:28<stew>but, whatever
00:28<quaker66>stew, ubuntu-restricted-extras is just metapackage.
00:29<quaker66>depending on packages which are present in Debian.
00:29<quaker66>(java, flash etc)
00:29<dr|z3d>quaker66: You miss the point. It's for Ubuntu, _not_ Debian.
00:29<quaker66>dr|z3d, yes, this metapackage is only in ubuntu
00:30<quaker66>but in depends on packages which are present in both debian and ubuntu
00:30<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
00:30<stew>oh, i guess a couple of the packages it depends on are in debian
00:31<quaker66>dr|z3d, i know and i don't use ubuntu
00:31<quaker66>i am just saying ubuntu-restricted-extras is a metapackage in ubuntu containing nothing and only depending on some other packages which are in debian too
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00:50<ninjafury>is there anything similar to wine that allows mac os x applications to be run in linux?
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00:51<quaker66>ninjafury, no it isn't
00:52<quaker66>what do you need it for?
00:52<sney>that's a good idea though
00:52<ninjafury>quaker66, strange since mac is bsd based. I would have thought it would be easier to virtualize then windows
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00:52<sney>easier but the demand is probably also lower
00:53<quaker66>ninjafury, if someone would provide the source code for that mac os x app, it could be recompiled i think..
00:53<quaker66>if it is not written with some mac-only framework
00:53<ninjafury>quaker66, I'm trying to install Red alert 3 for mac. The windows verision is supported by cedega.
00:53<sney>and I doubt there are many mac developers who switch to linux and want to take their programs with them
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00:54<quaker66>ninjafury, why doesn't you use windows version in wine?
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00:54<ninjafury>quaker66, because I have a very slow net connection, and I have the mac version on cd
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00:55<quaker66>ah.. and only binary without data files can't be downloaded?
00:55<ninjafury>quaker66, if you mean source code, then no it's not available. Just binary on cd
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00:56<quaker66>i mean binary for Windows without data files
00:56<quaker66>so you could use data from your mac version but binary for Windows
00:56<ninjafury>quaker66, oh no I don't think thats possible
00:57<quaker66>btw, the windows version is supported by normal wine too
00:57<ninjafury>quaker66, yeah I know, but I don't have the win version. No one's made a os x virtualization package?
00:58<quaker66>well, mac is unix but it works in a bit different way..
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00:58<ninjafury>quaker66, I mean why not, I'm sure there are hundreds of mac programs that people would want to use.
00:59<quaker66>i think most of them are for linux too
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01:01<nono>ninjafury:virtualbox perhaps
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01:22<henson>haven't used debian in a while.. what wireless tools will i need to connect to a WPA network?
01:23<henson>ahh.. wpasupplicant
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01:25<mitch000001>maybe you try wpagui, if you want to use a gui afterwards
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01:35<henson>is there a way to install the 2.6.27 kernel? lenny doesn't seem to see my wireless driver
01:36<mitch000001>henson: what kind of wireless do you have?
01:36<jm_>there is 2.6.30 backport
01:37<quaker66>btw, anyone knows when 2.6.30 will be in testing?
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01:39<jm_>quaker66: ask dpkg
01:40<quaker66>jm_, is there any list of questions for dpkg?
01:41<jm_>quaker66: what is the package name?
01:41<quaker66>linux-image-2.6.30-1-* is currently in unstable
01:42<quaker66>and in testing, there is still old 2.6.26
01:42<jm_>!why is linux-image-2.6.30-1-686 not in testing
01:42<dpkg>linux-image-2.6.30-1-686 is not in testing for the reasons listed in
01:42<quaker66>ah thx :)
01:42<mitch000001>i love dpkg :D
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02:00<CGfreak102>hello, i just recently installed the newest version of debian on my laptop, it dected and installed the lan driver but it didnt do that for my wireless, when i went to intels website and i got copy of a linux driver that they created and the file type is .tgz and when i try and install that in via dpkg -i <filename> it says not a debian file type. any suggustion on what i shoudl do about this?
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02:03<jm_>CGfreak102: use the debian way to configure it instead
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02:03<CGfreak102>not to seem like a newbie but how do i do that?
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02:03<jm_>which card is it?
02:04<CGfreak102>Intel (R) PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection
02:04<jm_>let's see
02:04<dpkg>ipw2200 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915 802.11a/bg chipsets ( included in kernels since 2.6.15. Firmware is required. Lenny: Add <non-free sources> and install the 'firmware-ipw2x00' package. Etch: Download firmware v3.0 from and extract to /lib/firmware. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. #ipw2100 on
02:04<jm_>go to that wiki page and follow instructions
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02:05<CGfreak102>alright sweet thank you all very much
02:05<kaschei>Hi, I'm trying to install debian from a USB stick, but it messes up the drive order. The stick is detected as sda when installing but it's obviously not there when booting, and so my drives are mislabeled. What do I need to change to fix this? I changed the labels in menu.lst but I still get Grub error 15
02:06<jm_>kaschei: simply reinstall it
02:07<kaschei>have done. twice. no more.
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02:07<kaschei>Or do you mean reinstall grub?
02:07<jm_>how are you reinstalling it?
02:07<jm_>yes grub
02:07<kaschei>can I do that from the install stick?
02:07<kaschei>without messing everything up, I mean.
02:09<jm_>sure, just use its rescue boot method
02:09<kaschei>it's not there
02:09<kaschei>I used unetbootin, it only has "[Default]"
02:10<kaschei>it's a grub boot option that you're referring to, right? Or am I misinterpreting again
02:11<jm_>naah, it's on debian installation media
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02:11<kaschei>grub isn't even present in the shell
02:12<jm_>what shell?
02:12<kaschei>I booted the installer and ctrl+alt+f2'd to a shell
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02:13<jm_>right you need to chroot to your debian installation (but you'll need to ensure /dev is available in chroot)
02:13<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode> and <dual boot guide>.
02:13<jm_>follow these steps, make changes that apply to your setup
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02:16<kaschei>ok, thanks muchly
02:16<jm_>no worries
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02:23<kaschei>Do I need to edit the grub
02:23<kaschei>I am venturing beyond my previous experience now and have no idea what all that does
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02:25<jm_>you shouldn't need to, just use /usr/sbin/grub-install --recheck ...
02:25<jm_>that re-creates file
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02:28<kaschei>I think it's hanging on that command :/ just says "Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub"
02:28<jm_>do you have separate /boot partition?
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02:29<jm_>what did you type?
02:29<kaschei>/usr/sbin/grub-install --recheck /dev/sdb
02:29<Vambo>I'm having a problem making a bootable cd. can someone check my thinking to make sure I'm following the logic?
02:30<jm_>Vambo: no doubt someone can
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02:30<Vambo>downloaded the iso and am using the following command to burn the cdrom ... cdrecord -v -data -pad -speed=16 -dev=/dev/sr0 /home/glenn/Desktop/debian-502-ia64-netinst.iso
02:30<Vambo>but the cdrom is unbootable where should I look for my proiblem?
02:30<jm_>Vambo: my bet is on you not having ia64 system
02:31<jm_>kaschei: hmm can you boot with a CD instead?
02:31<Vambo>I can boot with a etch cd
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02:33<Vambo>but not the lenny
02:33<kaschei>that would very much fix everything wouldn't it? sadly no
02:33<jm_>just grab x86 or amd64 netinst CD and it'll boot
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02:33<jm_>amd64 if you want 64bit release
02:33<Vambo>I need to go check and see if it's not a AMD64 proc that could be the issue
02:33<kaschei>ia64 is like Itanium processors, you are very unlikely to have that
02:33<Vambo>I bet thats the prob'
02:33<jm_>hmm another alternative would be to use install command in grub shell if it's grub1
02:35<Vambo>omg! Thats exactly the prob it's a 32bit proc /me slaps /me silly with a set of scsi cables
02:35<Vambo>I knew it had to be a brain fart thing
02:35<Vambo>Thank You Folks! and good night!
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02:37<kaschei>thanks for the help, I'm gonna sleep on it and hope things are better in the morning
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02:41<CGfreak102>how do you know if the wireless network driver was install correctly, is there a place to view like network adapters?
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02:42<mitch000001>run iwconfig
02:43<jm_>or network manager if you want to use GUI and don't mind the pain
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02:43<CGfreak102>and i take it if it says eth0: no wirless extension, wireless still wont work
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02:44<jm_>not familiar with all the details, but did you install the firmware?
02:45<mantra>wicd kicks network managers ass
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02:47<CGfreak102>yea i was able to run the package in the root terminal (dpkg -i <filename>) and it showed a process asked me to accept something and then it went back and i just re did it now and it replaced the files... but thinking back i might have just done the first step
02:47<CGfreak102>hold on while i work on it again
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02:48<jm_>yes you need to reload the module if it was loaded before installing the firmware package
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02:57<CGfreak102>so when i type 'modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw 2200' it pauses for a second then just goes back to a new line.
02:58<jm_>sounds OK if it doesn't complain, check kernel messages with dmesg
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02:59<CGfreak102>whoa, lots of text what would i be looking for after typing the 'dmesg'?
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03:00<CGfreak102>the third line up it says "detected intel pro/wireless 2915ABG network connection"
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03:02<jm_>CGfreak102: like the wiki page says, Examine the kernel ring buffer (dmesg) to verify the required firmware files are being loaded by the driver.
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03:46<royu_>any one knows if debian support mips64 now ?
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03:57<royu_> any one knows if debian support mips64 now ?
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04:01<royu_>thanks jm
04:01<royu_>already see it
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04:02<royu_>it's seem that only support "mips" and "mipsel" .
04:02<jm_>looks like it, and some armel stuff
04:02<royu_>but have not mips64
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04:12<royu_>mips big-endian mips
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04:12<royu_>mipsel is little-endian mips
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04:12<royu_>it's not like arm .
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05:35<Gekz>I'm wondering how the perl-base package is built
05:35<Gekz>does it use some wacky scripts to make it smaller?
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05:43<locklace>it is quite funny that it's always the italians
05:43<Gekz>compiling debian packages on non-debian systems
05:43<Gekz>good times
05:46<ophank>how to install xen in debian lenny
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05:47<gsimmons>dpkg: tell ophank -about xen
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05:48<brother->ophank: first hit is the debian wiki about Xen. it contains, amongst other things, a guid for isntalling
05:48<brother->ophank: more precisely
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06:02<setog3>I am looking for a way to remove snd-hda-intel module, and all module using it recursively.. I found that this option was enable in the past with a -r option to rmmod, do you know why it's not in the current modutils package ? and how to install it again ?
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06:08<clarence_>How to play *.vob video files?
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06:08<jm_>try mplayer
06:08<Vroomfondle>or vlc
06:09<clarence_>I did it
06:09<Vroomfondle>you may need libdvdcss if they're encrypted
06:09<camel__>hi there, i've just managed to install a daily debian netboot image as a xen virtual machine, and the install seemed to complete successfully. now i'm wondering: how can I _boot_ the image? While I have the necessary kernel, the netboot initrd is the installer, not the 'normal' initrd. Where can I get a matching 'daily' initrd for normal boot, not install?
06:09<clarence_>how to install libdvdcss
06:10<cahoot>setog3: remove completely or just inhibit its loading?
06:10<jm_>camel__: initrd is usually generated when you install a kernel
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06:11<camel__>jm_: ah, so if I can somehow mount the xen image's filesystem, and copy out the initrd, then I could use that perhaps
06:12<setog3>cahoot: remove before going to suspend
06:12<jm_>camel__: did you check if debian xen wiki has docs about this?
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06:12<camel__>jm_: no, didn't know there was a debian xen wiki, i'll take a look. thanks
06:12<jm_>!tell camel__ -about xen
06:12<clarence_>I was try using root to install libdvdcss, but it was failed
06:13<themill>setog3: you shouldn't need to do that though... and if you do, then whatever suspend framework you use (hibernate, s2disk etc) can do that all for you
06:14<jm_>s2disk can run scripts?
06:15<setog3>themill: I am currently writing the script in /etc/sleep.d/ because pm-suspend don't do that automaticly
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06:15<clarence_>jm_: it say notfound
06:15<jm_>clarence_: not found what?
06:16<clarence_>not found s2disk
06:17<jm_>clarence_: uhh no-one said you should use s2disk to play VOB files, use mplayer
06:17<Prathibha>I am trying to install debian from a miniamal bootable CD. I am getting the error as "Architecture not Supported"
06:17<Prathibha>In Release the Architecture is i386
06:17<clarence_>jm_: no response
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06:18<jm_>clarence_: you need to start writing proper sentences describing your problem
06:18<jm_>clarence_: are you from china?
06:18<clarence_>jm_: it was quikly start and very fast to close
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06:19<jm_>clarence_: did you specify file name on its command line?
06:19<clarence_>jm_: how?
06:19<jm_>clarence_: mplayer filename - run it in a terminal
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06:19<Prathibha>I am trying to install debian from a miniamal bootable CD. I am getting the error as "Architecture not Supported" . How to solve this
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06:21<clarence_>jm_: how to use command to play?
06:22<jm_>clarence_: like I said, "mplayer filename" without ""
06:22<clarence_>it display Exiting... (End of file)
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06:24<jm_>well in that case you need to read its output to understand what happened
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06:27<jm_>clarence_: video_ts is a directory - but I see this seems to be a DVD disc, simply do mplayer dvd://1
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06:30<jm_>clarence_: are you doing this in X or on console?
06:30<tuxcrafter>hi all what should happen when you got an dir and you cut paste this dir over a symlink that points to the same dir you are cut pasting...?
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06:31<tuxcrafter>i seem to have lost all my date (3 hours of work)
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06:32<tuxcrafter>without any warnings ...
06:32<jm_>I can see it started fine and then you pressed left mouse button in its window
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06:34<tuxcrafter>is there any why for me to easy recover the lost data ??
06:34<tuxcrafter>i have not commented a hole list of changes
06:35<tuxcrafter>there is years of work lost then
06:35<jm_>tuxcrafter: how exactly does one cut and paste a directory?
06:35<tuxcrafter>of small snippts
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06:35<jm_>ahh you mean in some GUI app maybe?
06:35<tuxcrafter>jm_: open thunar right click cut, then go to other directory right click paste
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06:36<tuxcrafter>dammit i can shoot mysef because of these issues
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06:37<jm_>tuxcrafter: maybe undeletion will find something, but doesn't sound very plausible
06:37*tuxcrafter is going to do a new checkout and start again ...
06:37*tuxcrafter cries
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06:45<boumbo>hi guys
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06:49*tuxcrafter has taken some fresh air, figured out its my own fault, do never cut paste soure dir over a symlick that links to the same soure dir
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06:53<jm_>tuxcrafter: it should also serve as a reminder of how important backups are
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06:56<snk>i am new user ? any body is there?
06:56<jm_>yes you are; no
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06:58<snk>what is LTSP ? Where it is use?
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06:58<jm_>snk: you can read about that on their web page
06:59<snk>any good link
06:59<dpkg>ltsp is probably the linux terminal server project, at, or, or #ltsp on
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07:08<rafa>all: What a script "deb-reconfigure" like, which package should remove to get a flat debian platform, i.e., not X support at all ?
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07:10<jm_>rafa: what do you want to do?
07:11<rafa>jm_, just only work with a terminal, no with X-servers at all.
07:11<jm_>rafa: that's simple, don't install X server then
07:11<rafa>I'm afraid I can broke dependences at testing
07:11<ml|>wonder why PREEMPT does not show when doing uname -a, do i need some option when compiling?
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07:12<rafa>jm_ it seems lot of broken dependences
07:12<jm_>ml|: it's a kernel config option, grep PREEMPT /boot/config-$(uname -r) or check /proc/config.gz if you enabled it
07:13<jm_>rafa: apt will remove everything that depends on it
07:13<ml|>jm_: it is why i'm asking
07:13<jm_>ml|: it doesn't show up in uname output
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07:14<jm_>wwhat I am trying to say this is normal, it doesn't show up in uname output, so it's not a way to tell if it's enabled or not
07:15<rafa>jm_ : aptitude shows: "Score is -11056". This is bad, isn't it ?
07:15<jm_>rafa: that's up to you to decide ;)
07:15<jm_>if you really have no use for it then it can't be bad
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07:16<rafa>jm_ : what about the gnome-applets remains dropped , then ?
07:16<rafa>jm_ remaining: I mena
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07:16<rafa>jm : should not dependence engine keep care of that ?
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07:16<jm_>rafa: ask dpkg how to uninstall gnome -- /msg dpkg remove gnome
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07:17<jm_>rafa: it depends what you specified to be removed
07:17<rafa>jm_ : I did "aptitude remove gnome" , but several gnome-applets are not under this "package"
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07:17<ml|>jm_: yes, i know, but why when i see others with it enable it shows like ... Linux #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 24 13:31:39 EDT 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
07:17<jm_>rafa: that's not the right way - ask dpkg
07:18<rafa>jm_ : trying
07:18<jm_>ml|: ahh I am a moron, it does show up in uname output
07:18<jm_>let's find out when
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07:19<ml|>being searching why this or what option but can't find anything, maybe i missed something
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07:23<jm_>CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set
07:23<jm_>you need this
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07:23<jm_>let me verify
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07:25<ml|>thought this is all i needed CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY=y and change the frequency
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07:33<rutski>what good is libc6-dbg if every time I use gdb to try to step into one of its functions, it tells me that the source files are missing?
07:34<jm_>ml|: looks like it is - one needs CONFIG_PREEMPT, CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY is not enough
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07:37<ml|>jm_: yes i was starting to come to the same conclusion, need this instead of voluntary... Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop)
07:37<jm_>ml|: yup
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07:38<ml|>jm_: thank you for your help
07:38<jm_>no worries
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07:59<rutski>what good is libc6-dbg if every time I use gdb to try to step into one of its functions, it tells me that the source files are missing?
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08:05<tofix>hi all, i have a problem and even i don't need a fully complete solution, i would like to know if someone have a idea... i migrate a proprietary SMTP server (groupwise) to a postfix, and everything is fine, except that all the old mail box have trouble with timestamp, the creation date is the date of the migration but the two other field, created and delivered ar okay... my problem is about a soft used for archiving that base his request on the crea
08:05<tofix>ted field... do you have an idea about the way to handle this ... it's about 250GB of mails and they are actually delivered by imap
08:06<jm_>how did you copy the files?
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08:07<jm_>anyway, unix doesn't have creation time for files
08:07<koollman>tofix: what kind of problems od you have with the soft ? it will consider all of them to be 'new' the first time, but that shouldn't be a problem the second time, right ?
08:08<tofix>with some migration tools proprietary ... groupwise used a proprietary database for the storage of user mail , one db by user
08:08<OkropNick>I have question to Debian geeks: How to install system with LUKS encryption on 1TB hdd, but encrypting only small system partition (64GB) and swap (4GB) ? the rest hdd space should remain empty for further partitioning without encryption, there will be nothing to hide
08:09<tofix><koollman> ... it's an imap box ... the date of the file doesn't reveal the date of each mails contained inside the box
08:10<antoine>Ok, who am I to give money to in order to be able to play sound on two softs simultaneously ? I'm so tired of this
08:10<jm_>antoine: just enable dmix if it's not working
08:10<antoine>sound on linux is such a pain in the ass
08:10<koollman>antoine: find a russian killer to execute folks using OSS in a bad way
08:10<antoine>dmix, i'll have a look
08:10<tofix><antoine> : agree with jm_
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08:11<antoine>okay, what is dmix ? something to run ? can't find a package
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08:11<koollman>tofix: I don't think there's an 'easy' or even 'not so easy' way to modify ctime.
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08:11<dpkg>i guess dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See or another sample asound.conf at or
08:11<tofix>guys, if you have to do so, you'll script something or try to proxy smtp the mails and treat them during the transfert ?
08:11<antoine>thanks jm_
08:12<jm_>antoine: np
08:12<antoine>how do I know current version of alsa ?
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08:14<antoine>f**k it's complex for me, i'm not a shell freak
08:14<jm_>dpkg -l alsa-base
08:14<dpkg>No packages found matching alsa-base
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08:15<antoine>NOTE: For ALSA 1.0.9rc2 and higher you don't need to setup dmix. Dmix is enabled as default for soundcards which don't support hw mixing.
08:15<antoine>which means it's supposed to work ?
08:16<jm_>I've heard that so often yet it fails to work, who knows where the problem is - I simply a) buy cards that can do hw mixing, b) enable dmix explicitely
08:17<antoine>ok jm_ I'll have a look at this dmix
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08:22<lancelot_of>hallo everybody
08:23<lancelot_of>since last debiann testing update my qtiplot crashes everytime i open graphs..any suggestion?
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08:25<cahoot>lancelot_of: run it from terminal to catch any error?
08:25<lancelot_of>cahoot, howto?
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08:27<cahoot>lancelot_of: I'd guess, open a terminal, type qtiplot, hit enter
08:28<lancelot_of>cahoot, qtiplot: symbol lookup error: qtiplot: undefined symbol: _ZNK14QwtScaleEngine8hiMarginEv
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08:28<jm_>lancelot_of: where did you get qtpilot?
08:28<vvas>looks like there's some library missing
08:29<jm_>sorry qtiplot
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08:29<lancelot_of>jm_, from debian repositories
08:29<jm_>lancelot_of: that's a bug, check BTS
08:29<themill>lancelot_of: what did you update recently? perhaps check your aptitude or dpkg logs
08:29<jm_>something's missing QwtScaleEngine::hiMargin
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08:30<jm_>normally dependencies should prevent this
08:30<lancelot_of>jm_, how to fix?
08:30<jm_>lancelot_of: are you sure you didn't install some libs from unstable or something similar?
08:30<jm_>lancelot_of: by installing a library that qtiplot is linked with and which provides this symbol
08:31<lancelot_of>jm_, absolutely not, just from debian testing apt-get dist-upgrade and next apt-get install qtiplot
08:31<jm_>lancelot_of: then check BTS as your first step
08:31<vvas>i guess it's not unusual for infrequently used packages to have bugs that slip into testing...
08:31<jm_>probably yes
08:31<lancelot_of>jm_, do you guess which library? qhat is BTS?
08:31<jm_>lancelot_of: start with qtiplot
08:31<jm_>!tell lancelot_of -about bts
08:31<themill>qwt most likely, it was updated a few weeks ago in sid
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08:32<themill>none of these packages have versioned dependencies....
08:32<jm_>and libqwt5-qt4 or whatever it's called in testing
08:32<jm_>maybe that's the bug - in this case it's worth filling a new one
08:33<kapal>Hello! How to make haproxy daemon write to rsyslog? Any tip appreciated...
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08:33<kapal>Debian Stable/Lenny
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08:34<lancelot_of>jm_, i suppose those libraries are the problem...anyway to fix?remove-reinstall? install from stable?
08:34<themill>jm_, lancelot_of: there was some discussion about qtiplot and the qwt libraries on the debian-science list a little while ago. The problem seems to be qtiplot using its own patched version of qwt and not contributing useful patches upstream. That probably means that the new upstream version of qwt has broken qtiplot.
08:35<themill>qtiplot has a strange upstream...
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08:36<jm_>lancelot_of: you should open a new bug against it
08:36<jm_>I found that but that doesn't look similar since it says it's running
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08:37<lancelot_of>themill, jm_ i'd like to open a new bug but i need urgently qtiplot
08:37<themill>lancelot_of: you can try recompiling the package against the new libraries.
08:37<lancelot_of>how many time to solve a bug, on average?
08:37<jm_>lancelot_of: what kind of graphs do you need?
08:37<dpkg>There are numerous good, Free plotting packages for visualising data or equations for publication. These include <grace>, gri, <pyx>, labplot, <qtiplot>, <gnuplot>, <R>, ... See and for ideas and reviews. If you are just looking for a quick but ugly graph then you can use <openoffice>.
08:38<jm_>no ploticus :)
08:38<themill>jm_: will be in a minute....
08:39<lancelot_of>themill, i don't knwo where to get the sources
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08:39<themill>dpkg: tell lancelot_of about package recompile
08:39<lancelot_of>jm_, i need to import data from files and plot them
08:40<themill>lancelot_of: labplot can also open origin files if that's what you're trying to do
08:40<jm_>I shall try those one day
08:40<lancelot_of>themill, not origin project, but text files with data
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08:40<lancelot_of>labplot is so horrible
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08:40<themill>jm_: PyX is my plotting package du jour.
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08:41<themill>lancelot_of: if you want to make plots from text files with data, then there are plenty of other packages you can use. See the list that dpkg just gave for other ideas.
08:41<jm_>themill: pyxplot package?
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08:42<themill>jm_: pyxplot is a gnuplot-like frontend to pyx I think. Never used it...probably should
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08:42<jm_>themill: that one should do for me since I dislike python ;)
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08:42<lancelot_of>themill, pyxplot is a great software, but not so instant-rendering like origin-like onesa
08:43<themill>that usually doesn't worry me so much
08:43<lancelot_of>themill, ;)
08:44<themill>and if you want faster feedback: gv -watch plot.eps & while inotifywait -e MODIFY; do ./; done
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08:45<lancelot_of>themill, what's the aim of that command?
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08:46<themill>lancelot_of: if you have your generating plot.eps, then it opens the plot.eps with the gv eps viewer and every time you hit "save" in your editor, it tries to remake the plot. So Ctrl+S (or :w or whatever) then quickly updates the plot for you.
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08:46<themill>(not recommended for 10^6 point data sets though....)
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08:47<lancelot_of>themill, does it runs also with previously created .eps plots?
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08:48<themill>lancelot_of: that's only a bit of shell hackery... you need to actually make the python script that makes the .eps file yourself
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08:49<lancelot_of>themill, i've no time now to learn python-pyx
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08:49<lancelot_of>themill, nor i know how to call it! :)
08:50<lancelot_of>jm_, themill however also labplot crashes with "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'Magick::ErrorResourceLimit'
08:50<lancelot_of> what(): ImageMagick: Memory allocation failed `/tmp/kde-lancelot/LabPlotH16Vba.bmp'
08:50<lancelot_of>KCrash: Application 'labplot' crashing...
08:50<lancelot_of>Could not find 'drkonqi' executable.
08:50<lancelot_of>KCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching directly."
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09:08<lancelot_of>i was kicked out sorry
09:09<themill>lancelot_of: yes. Don't paste into the channel
09:09<lancelot_of>themill, yes sorry everybody
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09:10<themill>lancelot_of: if you're looking for something to do plotting of text files that's fairly easy to use and clicky-gui, then try out grace or grace6. Mrs themill uses grace6 for plotting and she likes it.
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09:11<lancelot_of>however i sent a bug report on qtiplot...hope to receive an answer as soon as possible
09:11<lancelot_of>themill, i'm going to try
09:12<lancelot_of>themill, grace6 has no installation candidate on testing
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09:12<lancelot_of>themill, are you a scientist?
09:13<themill>grace is there, but the development version of grace6 has gone walkies
09:13<stew>he's a Dr. of Mayonaise
09:13<stew>oh, no that's an emulsion not a colloid
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09:14<themill>we do emulsions too
09:14<antoine>octave is cool for plotting
09:14<bremner>antoine: err, nice gui on octave?
09:14<antoine>oh, well, I was speaking of only plots
09:14<antoine>I must admit that now i use matlab
09:14<themill>lancelot_of: "grace" it is then
09:15<antoine>looking forward to some kind of integration of qt in octave, though
09:15<themill>judd versions qtoctave
09:15<judd>themill: qtoctave -- lenny: 0.7.4+dfsg-3 sid: 0.8.1+dfsg-3 squeeze: 0.8.1+dfsg-3
09:15<themill>antoine: ^^ ?
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09:16<antoine>well as far as i know, these are kind of useless ide, I was speaking of the possibility to code your gui directly in octave, just like you can do in matlab
09:17<themill>or the other way around -- a kpart for octave?
09:17<antoine>there is no proper octave debugger neither
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09:17<antoine>that's a pity, for I like octave, but well, can't work with it professionnaly
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09:19<n3lab>hi. how can i set dpi 96 like in windows? i already set defaultserverargs="-dpi 96" but resolution still 75x75 :(
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09:19<themill>lancelot_of: ignore our earlier suggestions of trying to recompile qtiplot -- it fails to build from source so that approach isn't going to work out for you.
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09:20<cahoot>n3lab: using gnome?
09:20<n3lab>in gnome all is good :)
09:21<lancelot_of>themill, i tried grace, but it has some problems opening my text files
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09:21<narcan>n3lab: in france we say that for the pigs
09:22<themill>lancelot_of: you have to tell it how to open them if they're not what it considers to be a "standard" format. Some shell processing (awk, sed, tail etc) might be necessary.
09:22<bremner>n3lab: try xrandr
09:22<n3lab>it's too hot to understand what u say in france
09:22<bremner>n3lab: not in irc, on the command line :)
09:23<n3lab>so he give me some resolutions
09:23<n3lab>and? :)
09:23<n3lab>Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
09:23<cahoot>n3lab: xdpyinfo says you have dpi 75?
09:23<n3lab>xdpyinfo grep resolution
09:23<n3lab> resolution: 75x75 dots per inch
09:24<cahoot>n3lab: so xorg gets it wrong
09:25<cahoot>n3lab: maybe you need explicitly set DisplaySize in xorg.conf
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09:25<n3lab>i have
09:25<n3lab> SubSection "Display"
09:25<n3lab> Depth 24
09:25<n3lab> Modes "1024x768"
09:25<n3lab> EndSubSection
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09:26<n3lab>but i need 96 dpi :(
09:26<zicostar>hi everybody
09:26<zicostar>i need some help as always
09:26<dpkg>dpi is, like, your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. at
09:27<antoine>pff =(
09:27<zicostar>do someone know how to make mplayer search subtitles in a specific folder.
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09:27*bremner is skeptical that dpi can be set independently of resolution
09:28<pleb2>Guys im having massive problems with Debian on my new server /cry :(
09:28<n3lab>but why in startx string defaultserverargs="-dpi 96" not works?
09:28<bremner>!hug pleb2
09:28*dpkg wraps his shiny metal lovin' arms around pleb2
09:28<bremner>n3lab: because you hardcode the resolution.
09:29<antoine>zicostar :
09:29<bremner>n3lab: resolution is fixed, size of monitor is fixed, how should dpi change?
09:29<pleb2>Running lenny, I can install if I load the network drivers via USB but dont get a GUI after install, commandline works fine tho... my xorg.conf file is completely empty it makes no sense at all :(....... so i tried to run the newest testing version but it doesnt include drivers for my network card :(
09:30<cahoot>bremner: xorg always has correct notion of the monitors displaysize?
09:31<Yoda-BZH`Wk>hi, is it possible to build a new d-i using a custom and freshly compiled kernel, in stable mode ? i'd like to build a custom d-i but using a kernel 2.6.31-rc4
09:31<bremner>cahoot: good point.
09:32<Yoda-BZH`Wk>(using kernel-wedge)
09:32<n3lab>bremner, so can u help me? i think i ll must to chahge smth in xorg.conf? i can't understand how to change dpi. gnome had option where i could chande dpi resolution but icewm hadn't
09:32<bremner>n3lab: did you see the advice from dpkg?
09:32<bremner>!tell n3lab -about dpi
09:33<pleb2>!blank xorg.conf
09:33<bremner>pleb2: it is normal to have an empty xorg.conf these days
09:33<pleb2>omgz noone told me! *shakes paw*
09:33<pleb2>okay any idea why im getting a blank screen?
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09:35<n3lab>i don't want autodetect
09:36<bremner>n3lab: so add a DisplaySize entry as dpkg sugests?
09:36<cahoot>n3lab: so try measure you monitor with a ruler and put the x y dimensions as display size according to the advice from dkpg
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09:38<pleb2>bremner, could it be set to be out of range for my monitor
09:38<pleb2>I just get a blank screen, monitors still on though it doesnt say "No input" or anything daft like that :\
09:39<bremner>pleb2: was you monitor build this century?
09:39<pleb2>its a good monitor ;)
09:39<pleb2>surprisingly good for what i normally connect to servers
09:39<bremner>should be fine then
09:40<pleb2>I ment in refresh rate terms not res
09:40<zicostar>antoine, sorry but your didn't help me, there is no subtitle folder configuration. So you get another just let me know. thank for all
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09:40<pleb2>I think Xserver just hangs... it doesnt appear to keep loading
09:40<bremner>pleb2: same deal. More likely a problem with the graphics card. What kind of graphics card is it?
09:41<pleb2>I can reset it with ctrl alt + Backspace but It flickers abit
09:41<zicostar>i mean the link you gave me antoine
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09:42<happydufus>pleb2: silly question but you have got a window manager installed?
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09:43<antoine>yeah zicostar, actually i just googled it
09:43<pleb2>Bremner if i say I dont know will you beat me with some blunt instrument
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09:44<pleb2>I believe its an ATI ES1000
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09:44<pleb2>but im finding it hard to check :\
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09:44<bremner>pleb2: try lspci
09:44<zicostar>ok antoine i do make the same thing, but finally come to ask on irc.
09:44<pleb2>Graphics Controller ATI ES1000 - 32 MB
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09:45<pleb2>should be pretty standard stuff
09:45<antoine>hi hi
09:45<pleb2>oh hai
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09:47<bremner>pleb2: I guess pastebin you /var/log/Xorg.0.log
09:47<pleb2>bremner... easier said than done... 2 secs
09:47<handjob>Hi. Noob question : i have installed lenny with xlde and now i want to switch to xfce however i would like for apt to look in the cd repo rather then online - so how do i compose the command ?
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09:50<dpkg>Get ffmpeg from the same place you get mplayer
09:50<ArSn>Hi around ... there was some manual about how to install ffmpeg from to my box. dpkg told it to me, anybody knows the correct trigger for it?
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09:52<n3lab>mm but in is: "The -dpi command line option has highest priority. " it's strange o_O
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09:53<n3lab>so howto calculate displaysize?
09:53<bremner>n3lab: with a ruler
09:53<n3lab>oh DisplaySize 269 201 # 96 DPI @ 1024x768
09:53<n3lab>i found :)
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09:57<n3lab>great! it's working :) 10x to all
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09:59*bremner is curious what difference dpi makes?
09:59<bremner>I guess for bitmap fonts?
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10:02<n3lab>howto get screenshoot?)
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10:02<koollman>n3lab: import -window root screenshot.jpg
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10:02<koollman>or any of the dozens of tools doing that
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10:04<themill>bremner: dpi also controls how big a font looks on screen. (e.g. 12pt is supposed to be a size in real measurements not a size in pixels). If the dpi setting is wrong, you get all sorts of strange behaviour in menus and window decorations.
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10:05<bremner>pleb2: it is autochoosing radeon for a driver. I guess you could double check that that is the right choice, You do have some window manager installed
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10:06<pleb2>No window managers work
10:06<pleb2>I carnt start X
10:06<pleb2>how can i choose a differnt driver
10:06<n3lab>import not found :(
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10:07<bremner>pleb2: !xorg
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10:07<dpkg>X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.4. Ask me about <install x> if you are using Debian Etch or later. Ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. #xorg on
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10:08<pleb2>Bremner Ive tried that already it didnt help :(
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10:08<pleb2>was the first thing I tried :\
10:09<bremner>pleb2: you asked how to choose a different driver, that is the answer
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10:09<bremner>pleb2: do you have a cursor of some kind when you startx or is it completely blank
10:10<pleb2>No cursor, just grey screen
10:11<bremner>pleb2: maybe try the "vesa" driver
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10:11<n3lab>and what does mean "bitmap fonts"?)
10:12<pleb2>Where am I able to select that, I wasnt given driver options when I did dpkg reconfigure, i'll try again
10:12<bremner>n3lab: don't worry about it. t h e m i l l explained it.
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10:13<n3lab>ok :)
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10:14<pleb2>Bremner been through it again, just got 5000 Keyboard options
10:14<pleb2>nothing about driver or graphics
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10:16<bremner>pleb2: huh, weird. There may be a better way, but you can start with "built-in configuration" from the log you posted, and edit that
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10:20<pleb2>Bremner if i could change xorg.conf I would be happy but I dont know where the file with the config is stored and how to edit it
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10:21<bremner>pleb2: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
10:21<pleb2>its an empty file silly
10:21<pleb2>what do i do with it? :P
10:21<bremner>pleb2: scroll back to 11:16 and read carefully
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10:22<bremner>well, x:16 depending on timezone
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10:22<pleb2>my times out :P
10:22<pleb2>windows and kerberos auth etc
10:22<bremner>bah, copy the config from Xorg.0.log, look for "built-in configuration"
10:22<pleb2>long story
10:23<pleb2>oki :)
10:23<pleb2>I copy all that into xorg.conf?
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10:23<pleb2>then play with it?
10:23<handjob>Ok maybe i ask in different way : does after using command like 'sudo apt-get install xxxxxxx' will make apt look in cd (cd repo available in 'sources') or will it automaticly hit the online repositories?
10:23<bremner>pleb2: from "Start of built-in configuration"
10:23<pleb2>Handjob CD first
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10:23<pleb2>if its available
10:23<handjob>pleb2, Thank you
10:23<pleb2>edit /etc/apt/sources.list
10:24<pleb2>and put a # at the start of the line with CD in it
10:24<pleb2>to get rid of the CD so it always does internet
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10:24<handjob>pleb2, Thx but i accualy want to install xfce from cd. ; P
10:25<pleb2>well do the opposit
10:25<pleb2># out all your online repositorys
10:25<pleb2>that way it will have to do from CD :P
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10:25<bremner>handjob: man apt-cdrom
10:25<handjob>pleb2, but if the cd repo is first in line is there any reason to '#' online reositories?
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10:26<pleb2>handjob im thinking if the online repo's have a newer version, theres chance it will download from thems instead?
10:26<pleb2>handjob just thinking off top of my head I actually have no clue ;)
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10:27<handjob>pleb2, Well that is probable. Is there any 'switch' or something that forces apt to use cd?
10:27<handjob>Other then hashing online repo
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10:28<pleb2>well, wouldnt it just download the updated version from online when you next do apt-get update / apt-get upgrade anyway?
10:28<pleb2>even if you did force to load from CD
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10:30<grummund>hi, could someone enlighten me why this does not make a 1Meg file?: dd if=/dev/random of=random.bin bs=1M count=1
10:31<grummund>0+1 records in, 0+1 records out, 35 bytes (35 B) copied, 7.4104e-05 s, 472 kB/s.
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10:32<grummund>ah. n.m. /dev/urandom works
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10:33<wnd>grummund, /dev/random should work just fine but it's slow because it provides "true" random data (unlike /dev/urandom)
10:34<handjob>Two questions : if i use 'dpkg' on file /media/cdrom0/pool/main/x/xfce4/xfce4_4.4.2.1_all.deb will it install the complet xfce env.? Secound : why does find /media/cdrom0 | grep *.deb doesn't return any results and find -name *.deb does?
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10:34<grummund>wnd: being 'slow', does that mean that dd command prematurely sees the file as closed?
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10:34<pleb2>Oooer was it something I said
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10:35<grummund>wnd: with /dev/random it creates file with only 35 bytes, but /dev/urandom creates the full size as specified to dd.
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10:35<themill>handjob: grep doesn't use shell globbing like that. You'd want to grep .deb not grep *.deb. And even if it did use globbing, you'd want to make sure you didn't have any .deb files in the current directory
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10:36<handjob> themill Thanks.
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10:37<wnd>handjob, dpkg will only install file you tell it to. if you use dpkg directoy, you'll have to deal with dependencies yourself. as for *.deb, try "find path -name \*.deb" and/or "find path | grep \.deb". if you use "*.deb" without single quotes or escaping, your shell may evaluate *.deb into something like xfce4_4.4.2.1_all.deb (if there are files named like that in working directory).
10:37<wnd>and sorry for repeating what themill just said, I just couldn't put all that in waste ;-)
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10:37<pleb2>bremner you still there
10:38<bremner>pleb2: yes
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10:38<pleb2>IT WORKS!!! you legend ;)
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10:38<pleb2>fank ooo for showing me where my xorg config is hidden these days! :S
10:38<pleb2>autoconfig BAH
10:38<pleb2>the idea of it scares me
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10:39*themill gives pleb2 100 modelines to write in punishment
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10:39<handjob>wnd, Thank you. So doing "sudo dpkg -i /media/cdrom0/pool/main/x/xfce4/xfce4_4.4.2.1_all.deb" is not the best sollution?
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10:39<wnd>grummund, do you mean that "dd" exists after those 35 bytes? it shouldn't.
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10:40<grummund>wnd: the command 'dd if=/dev/random of=random.bin bs=1M count=1' creates a file 35 bytes in length.
10:40<wnd>the best solution would be to use apt (and online repositories)
10:40<grummund>wnd: the command 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=random.bin bs=1M count=1' creates a file 1M bytes in length.
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10:41<wnd>seems that you're right. in my case dd returns after 907 bytes.
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10:41<wnd>I wonder what causes it to quit
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10:42*grummund suspects because it's 'slow', dd sees the 'file' as closed
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10:42<grummund>i.e. it returns eof upon read
10:42<grummund>just a gues...
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10:43<wnd>right now I have to say "I don't know". in a way it would make sense, in a way it would make much more sense for /dev/random to block until more data was available.
10:43<wnd>up until now I always thought it blocked
10:43<grummund>yeah, same thoughts here...
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10:44<grummund>but i have my random file for testing and so be it ;)
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10:45<themill>grummund: if you want files of random bits....
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10:45<wnd>interestingly enough in my case strace says read() always returns 8 (after initial pool is used), and then the files are simply closed. no errors, no eofs.
10:46<grummund>themill: ok thanks.
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10:46<grummund>actually all i needed (and now have) was to make 500MB random file on a remote server 'A' so i can test ftp transfer speed to another remote server 'B'.
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10:50<bremner>!congratulate pleb2
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10:52<bja>What happened to dpkg?
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10:53<enouf>wnd: i would bet the values of the files in /proc/sys/kernel/random might play a role ;-)
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11:00<cocco># gedit /usr/bin/xchat-firefox
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11:04<themill>dondelelcaro: dpkg didn't come back after the netsplit. Can you fix or is it siesta time at debconf? :P
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11:04<ml|>themill: heh
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11:06<ml|>dpkg: wb
11:06<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
11:06<themill>dondelelcaro: thanks
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11:06<kop>You're our hero!
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11:06<ml|>for sure :)
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11:08<enouf>alright ... so .. why isn't my ~/.mrxvtrc being honored?
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11:08<enouf>i have to fireup an xterm and launch mrxvt -sl 2000 from there
11:09<enouf>where the F are the actual files that contain the Menu entries, for ex; in any WM's menus
11:09<enouf>in /usr/share/ somewhere?
11:10<bja>enouf: Doesn't mrxvt use xresources?
11:10<enouf>gotcha sucker file:///usr/share/menu/mrxvt
11:10<enouf>bja: and xterm doesn't honor anything either
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11:11<bja>enouf: whenever you edit xresources either you reload your sesion or you "xrdb -merge .Xresources"
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11:11<enouf>i've edited it, and STILL
11:11<bja>did you do an xrdb ..
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11:12<enouf>bja: for my ~/.mrxvtrc to be read when i choose it from the menu?
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11:13<bja>enouf: Forget it , i was checking and the config i have in xresources is for urxvt not mrxvt
11:13<bja>Although afaik it should work the same way
11:13<ml|>bja: i think that still applies
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11:14<ml|>i have that in my .xinitrc
11:15<bja>ml|: you gave me the hint to edit xresouces to config xterm and it work fine, don't tell me you change it to xinitrc :-)
11:15<enouf>bja: i have no .Xresources
11:16<bja>enouf: I did't have it either so i created it
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11:16<bja>enouf: I'll paste you mine so you have something to look at and adapt to your needs
11:17<ml|>bja: yes, that's what you should use, but i can't here
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11:17<enouf>fuck it, i'll just nest one .. the 2nd one having launched with my settings
11:17<ml|>bja: so have to use xinitrc
11:17<enouf>bja: thanks for the info
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11:17<ml|>enouf: use urxvt and screen :)
11:17<ml|>no need for tab stuff
11:18<enouf>ml|: then THOSE settings wouldn't be honored either - do you not get it?
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11:18<enouf>no .dotfiles are being honored
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11:18<enouf>these fucken menus know nothing about .dotfile
11:18<ml|>what menus?
11:18<enouf>ml|: tabbed shells are the only way to fly
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11:19<enouf>ml|: <any WM> menus
11:19<enouf>or <any x-window-manager> menus
11:20<ml|>enouf: ok, sorry it works fine here, but i don't use menus, keybindings here
11:21<bja>enouf: part of that file is courtesy of ml| so thank him for the hard work
11:22<ml|>bja: oops got confused about what you asked before, yes i do have .Xresources file duh
11:22<themill>enouf: the menu system has nothing to do with the dotfile, unless the menu is running the terminal with some sort of --norc option or the terminal needs --rc=.mtxvtrc both of which are highly unlikely.
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11:25<enouf>themill: i've just never been able to get ANY menu selection, so that it launches <any app> with the settings i prefer - and yuo know which DEs and WMs i've tried ;-) and i'm talking about the "Debian >" menu as well as those others
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11:26<ml|>enouf: try with bja .Xresources file, but uncomment all the mrxvt lines and do xrdb - merge .Xresources
11:26<enouf>themill: not to mention, none would also be updated properly
11:26<themill>enouf: that's a problem with the app or your configuration of it
11:26<enouf>themill: no - it's a problem with the entire system
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11:26<enouf>themill: the whole thing is horibly broken - not to be critical - but
11:27<themill>the menu just runs "xterm". If you want to configure xterm, then do so via the method that xterm wants. the menu has nothing to do with it
11:27<Milton>Hi, I need some help. - I installed debian and could connect to the wlan correctly, I then reinstall debian (hope I don't have to explain why, not relevant) but before that I set a WEP-password and MAC-filter for our WLAN connection, debian is intalled correctly but I can't connect to the router. Please help
11:28<enouf>themill: i'm talking about editing the actual menu entry, to contain things like; command="/usr/bin/mrxvt-full -sl 2000" and it not being honored
11:28<enouf>or am i editing the incorrect file?
11:28<enouf>i ran update-menus as well
11:28<themill>enouf: the menu system is layered... quite possibly. Some of it is also cached
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11:29<enouf>themill: i've pkill mrxvt all the time, after/before each edit
11:29<enouf>bja: ml| thank you -- once i calm down, i'll delve into all that
11:30<bja>enouf: np take a walk of the keyboard, at least it helps me a lot :-)
11:30<enouf>themill: but why isn't there ... oh crap .. i almost walked back into Bloated-DE-land ... ugh
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11:31<ml|>enouf: ok, the other option is to use urxvt with screen, but like bja said ;)
11:31<locsmif>Or just destroy some equipment, often it's worth the money (Not mine pls) :p
11:31*themill notes that you don't have these configuration issues with kde....
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11:31<ml|>i don't use kde and works fine here (not menus tho);)
11:32<enouf>themill: i ALWAYS did ... even THAT was stupid -- especially having No Searchable way to locate menu entries, when ... oh f it, nm.. i'll never stop once you startme up ;-)
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11:32*enouf sudo rm -rd .kde*
11:32*themill wonders why sudo would be needed there
11:33<andrew_>hi to all my fly bitches
11:33<themill>also, I've never wanted to try to locate the menu entry. There's a nice little menu editor app for that...
11:33<enouf>themill: because stupid KDE puts shit in there like Chatscripts that are owned by root
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11:33<enouf>themill: find .kde* -user root
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11:33<andrew_>kde lol
11:33<themill>chatscripts owned by root? Only if you ran something that was logging as root
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11:34<andrew_>use gnome fat cat kid rock with the under hand doo whoop!
11:34<enouf>themill: never run - never wanted, never needed
11:34<andrew_>no thats hot
11:34<themill>andrew_: do you have a debian support question we can help you with?
11:34<andrew_>not a fan of kde
11:34<themill>enouf: not a single file returned
11:34<enouf>themill: does your find return anything?
11:34*bja stands up and goes for a wak before he begins bannging his users
11:34<andrew_>i'm just dropping my fat high energy g funk like what my nigga?
11:34<ml|>bja: hf
11:34<andrew_>like ya feel me?
11:35<themill>andrew_: please stop
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11:35<andrew_>nah ya hate on blacks?
11:35<andrew_>aww fell
11:35<themill>!ops andrew_ needs his mouth washed out with soap
11:35<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: andrew_ needs his mouth washed out with soap
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11:35<enouf>themill: do you mean ""kde-specific" menu editor for that"?
11:36<enouf>andrew_: you shithead
11:36<andrew_>clean white folk i see how it goes all up in d alinux worldz
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11:36<themill>thanks, stew
11:36<stew>andrew_: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. in the future you must keep your chat 100% about debian end-user support
11:36<themill>enouf: kde menu -- I never touch the debian menu
11:37<enouf>themill: ok .. and that's the editor that sucks, cause it has no search option
11:37<enouf>themill: not to mention, neither the kde menu, nor the debian menu were EVER updated after installing ANYTHING
11:38<themill>always gets updated for me
11:38<enouf>themill: it's broken - badly -- as i originally said
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11:38<enouf>themill: then debian is broken, sorry - that's the way it is -- if it works 'auto' for some, and not-auto for others, then it's a systemic issue
11:38<enouf>would you agree?
11:39<enouf>themill: win98 always update menus properly -- it's said i have to say that
11:40<themill>No. I've not had problems across 6 or so different machines and never heard about such problems either. I'd conclude then that pebkac is also a fair possibility.
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11:40<enouf>themill: i _always_ hear about the problems i raise
11:40<enouf>er bring up
11:40<enouf>themill: you must have cotton in your ears
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11:41<themill>enouf: good to hear that you've been submitting lots of patches to fix them then too
11:41<enouf>themill: i have no idea where to even start ,... otherwise i would!
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11:42<enouf>s/said/sad/ (from that win9x comment)
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12:17<munga>is there a simple way to associate to each binary package its source package ? where is this information stored ?
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12:22<themill>munga: for an individual package, apt-cache show.
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12:23<munga>themill, yes I was wondering how this information is computed ... is there a file with the association binary -> source ?
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12:25<themill>munga: see /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages
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12:27<ml|>what are your thoughts on ext4?
12:28<munga>themill, thanks !! I completely missed the source_Source files
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12:30<kaschei>I'm trying to fix my MBR, following dpkg's advice, but I hang on "Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub"
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12:30<kaschei>that's during grub-install /dev/sdb
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12:31<aliceinwire>why dh_installman don't copy my man page in the man directory?
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12:40<Aleric>What tool should I use to edit debian/changelog ?
12:41<olasd>Aleric: debchange (a.k.a. dch) seems to be what you're looking for
12:41<themill>any editor is fine, but dch helps keep your format correct
12:42<Aleric>Ah thanks, I keep forgetting that with my once-a-year releases
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12:50<n3lab>are here some web-hosters?
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12:51<bja>try #linode
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12:52<cahoot>n3lab: got your dpi sorted?
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12:53<n3lab>yap. i set size in monitor secrion
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12:53<n3lab>and now i have 96 dpi :)
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12:55<n3lab>bja, linode? it's web-hosters channel? :)
12:56<n3lab>i want to ask smth about apache and php
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12:56<bja>no, its a web hosting company that also has an irc channel here on oftc
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12:57<bja>But if you have a service allready contracted, you should ask directly to your host company
12:57<n3lab>ah, ok/ but i don't want hosting. i want to read smth about web hosting security
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12:58<bja>n3lab: Guess you'll have to ask the experts :-)
12:58<n3lab>maybe :)
12:59<n3lab>i thought that somebody here have hosting :)
12:59<MyWifeIs19>Hello, I just bought a 1.5 TB hdd and usb toaster type dock. I am looking for a backup software: something that will prevent shooting myself in the foot(=not too tricky), stable, and will be maintained for next 120 years(my expected life time). any recommandations?
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12:59<koollman>MyWifeIs19: rsync
13:00<epsas>stone tablets. rice paper and humidity controlled vaults
13:00<koollman>stone tablets are overkill for only 120 years
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13:00<ml|>MyWifeIs19: rsnapshot
13:00<koollman>paper should be good enough, though :)
13:00<ml|>koollman: hah
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13:01<MyWifeIs19>how do I back up my precious porn to paper?
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13:01<Gathond>MyWifeIs19: dump ever frame as a jpeg then parse those to cups for printing:)
13:02<koollman>MyWifeIs19: be careful. someone might answer seriously to these questions :)
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13:03<olasd>well, i guess that base64encoded, an ocr wouldn't have that trouble recovering data printed on paper
13:03<MyWifeIs19>ok, space is a consideration too. North NJ real estate price is rather high
13:03<koollman>MyWifeIs19: someone like me would even point you to
13:03<koollman>but excepting that, rsnapshot, rdiff-backup or just plain old rsync are good options
13:04<koollman>amanda, backuppc and bacula would be the 'higher level' tools you could use, but I do find them complicated, which is a bad thing when one's talking about backups
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13:07<n3lab>mm. can anybody advice some light mail server soft?
13:07<n3lab>and smth howto install :)
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13:08<Gathond>n3lab: I personally like postfix
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13:08<Gathond>although whether that is light is up to you
13:08<n3lab>and what about web interface?
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13:09<Gathond>postfix is an smtp daemon only, i.e. it moves emails between servers
13:09<n3lab>i know. and do u use web iface?
13:09<n3lab>with postfix
13:09<Gathond>it has no support for imap, pop3 or other interfaces for getting stuff from the last server to the user
13:09<Gathond>n3lab: I use courier imap for that
13:10<Gathond>and squirrelmail to talk to that as a web interface
13:10<n3lab>mm. intresting
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13:12<n3lab>and can u tell how mutch memory it (postfix) eats? ans what about pop3 or imap to get mail
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13:16<iustin>does anyone know how the changelog entry (distro, version, etc.) should look when preparing an update for stable-proposed-updates?
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13:20<prahal>what trigger the update of libgnome-menu entries ? I tried update-menus w/o success and the entry is found and shown as enable by main menu editor in gnome
13:21<prahal>but still not shown
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13:30<haze>any girls from london or romford here
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13:31<haze>Are you all africans??? THANKS YOU
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13:36<debuser4235>we're martians
13:36<bja>Aren't we from Venus?
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14:43<user_>como edito o menu?
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14:45<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:53<Man_of_Wax>hi all, is possible to install debian sid/unstable on a nilfs2 file sistem directly from the installer?
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14:55<zimbres>I do not fully understand architectures... For the processor intel quad core should I choose the lenny ia64 if I am going to install lenny?
14:56<bremner>zimbres: no, you want i386 or amd64
14:57<zimbres>bremner, But I want support to 64 bits machine!?
14:57<dpkg>[ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64.
14:58<bremner>zimbres: unless your computer cost more than a new car, it is probably not ia64
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14:59<zimbres>bremner, thank you, as I told you I do not understand this stuff...
14:59<bremner>zimbres: no prob, that is what the channel is for.
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15:04<ghisguth>can someone help me wit upgrading kernel? i'm new to debian.
15:05<kaschei>I just installed testing. GDM starts but I never get an X screen of any sort, nor even the lonely blinking _ I've had before. I can ctrl+alt+f# to a shell and all that, but there are no errors (just warnings) in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and X11/xorg.conf is completely empty, which mystifies me
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15:06<ghisguth>apt-get hang up while updating initramfs. if i call "/usr/sbin/mkinitramfs -v -o /boot/ 2.6.26-2-amd64" directly it will display "FATAL: Module i8042 not found. FATAL: Module atkbd not found. and hang up"
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15:07<kaschei>interestingly, my monitor doesn't go to power-saving mode -- so something is there -- and if I restart gdm I get a confirmation beep
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15:08<kaschei>A relevant warning might be (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:0:1) found
15:09<kaschei>but like I said, Xorg.conf is completely empty, so I don't know if editing that would help
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15:11<bremner>kaschei: you can always content to xorg.conf if the autodetected defaults don't work
15:11<kaschei>do you mean "add content"?
15:11<kaschei>and can I get some sort of idea of what the autodetection is finding, or using? Does it generate an xorg on the fly, and can I have that? or is it all-or-nothing?
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15:12<bremner>kaschei: you can start from the configuration printed to /var/log/Xorg.0.log
15:12<bremner>look for "built-in configuration"
15:13<kaschei>that phrase does not exist in that log
15:13<bremner>kaschei: pastebin your log?
15:13<kaschei>gimme a little help of how to do that from console
15:14<kaschei>don't know how to copy and paste between vim and lynx
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15:15<bremner>don't know, but probably when you hit the "upload file" on a web site, lynx will do something sensible
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15:20<kaschei>I can't find the post number :(
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15:28<zimbres>I am looking for support to a video card I am going to buy and in Xorg's page it is written "At present the nv driver has no 3D acceleration" would it be possible to use a proprietary driver if I really want to to have 3D acceleration?
15:29<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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15:30<bremner>kaschei: huh, sorry, I got nothing. I guess you can just add one section to change the device to vesa (see xorg.conf). Also, radeonhd would be another possibility, depending on your card
15:30<bremner>see man xorg.conf that should say
15:30<kaschei>thanks for the help
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15:49<zimbres>adb, Should I prefer other video cards to avoid this issue with the 3D acceleration?
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15:50<handjob>Hi all. I want to switch from gdm to slim. What ells do i need to do beside apt-getting and apt-removing?
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15:51<djkoelkast_>Hi all
15:52<djkoelkast_>I have a bit of a problem: my server broke down so I had to buy me a new one. It runs Debian etch, but don't want to reinstall. I need to know which device is my harddisk now.
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15:52<djkoelkast_>booted from 501 live cd
15:52<djkoelkast_>how can I find which drives are connected?
15:52<djkoelkast_>like /dev/sda and so on
15:52<craigevil>handjob: nothing, although you might have to edit /etc/slim.conf if your de/wm isnt available with F1
15:53<djkoelkast_>it's a console version live cd, not one with a desktop
15:53<handjob>craigevil, Thank you.
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15:59<djkoelkast_>I really can't find it
15:59<djkoelkast_>just need to know which device is my harddisk so I can boot off it
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16:01<prahal>djkoelkast_, ls /dev/ search for hdX or sdX where X is a,b,c, etc
16:01<djkoelkast_>there is /dev/sda1 until 6 and so on
16:02<djkoelkast_>so I still don't know which is the harddisk, or do I need to search them all?
16:02<adb>ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/
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16:04<djkoelkast_>I get sda6 and sda1
16:04<djkoelkast_>can I presume sda1 is the dvd, sda6 is the harddisk?
16:05<nosklo>both are partitions of the same disk
16:05<nosklo>sda is the disk
16:05<nosklo>sda1 and sda6 are two partitions in this disk
16:05<aliceinwire>why i can't minimize in systray xchat for gnome ?
16:06<djkoelkast_>ok but when I try to boot of the harddisk which contains the old debian installation I get this error: can't find /sys/block/sda/dev
16:06<bremner>aliceinwire: it should work, just click on the tray icon
16:07<djkoelkast_>"/bin/cat: /sys/block/sda/dev: No such file or directory Waiting 1 seconds for /sys/block/sda/dev to show up " is the complete error
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16:09<adb>djkoelkast_: ls blabl , not *cat*
16:09<djkoelkast_>the harddisk however works fine in another pc
16:09<djkoelkast_>the /bin/cat error is what it shows
16:10<aliceinwire>don't work
16:10<adb>djkoelkast_: your disk in mounted ?
16:10<djkoelkast_>this is during boot, I don't know
16:11<bremner>aliceinwire: what version of xchat?
16:11<djkoelkast_>I get GRUB, then it boots, then it gives this error
16:11<aliceinwire>XChat-GNOME 0.26.1
16:11<bremner>judd: versions xchat
16:11<judd>bremner: xchat -- etch: 2.6.8-0.3 lenny: 2.8.6-2.1 sid: 2.8.6-4 squeeze: 2.8.6-4
16:11<vook>djkoelkast_: what do you see with 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' Just two partitions ?
16:11<bremner>aliceinwire: oh-right, I don't run xchat-gnome, so I don't know about that one. I guess you could try the non-gnome one.
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16:12<aliceinwire>why use non gnome in gnome ?
16:12<djkoelkast_>I never get into the console
16:13<djkoelkast_>so I can't do anything
16:13<bremner>aliceinwire: well, you said that version doesn't work, so I was suggesting an alternative strategy...
16:13<djkoelkast_>only edit stuff in GRUB
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16:13<djkoelkast_>where it says to boot the kernel from /dev/sda1
16:13<aliceinwire>how i can restore now the gnome systray in the upper bar ?
16:13<adb>at grub boot enter in edit mode , use "e" letter for that and enter in kernel line , and change root=/dev/sda1
16:14<adb>djkoelkast_: ^^
16:14<djkoelkast_>it already is
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16:15<vook>try sda2 or sda3
16:15<djkoelkast_>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro
16:15<adb>try root=/dev/hda1
16:15<djkoelkast_>when I booted from live cd it said sda1 + sda6
16:16<djkoelkast_>let's try hda1
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16:16<djkoelkast_>still it says "/bin/cat: /sys/block/sda/dev: No such file or directory Waiting 1 seconds for /sys/block/sda/dev to show up"
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16:18<fgh>how do i see what /dev my cf-card is?
16:18<djkoelkast_>mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
16:18<djkoelkast_>kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init!
16:18<vook>djkoelkast_: do you have an initrd line ?
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16:18<djkoelkast_>in grub?
16:18<djkoelkast_>or on screen?
16:18<vook>in grub
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16:19<prahal>djkoelkast_, did you modified or installed a new kernel before the problem arised ?
16:19<vook>something like 'initrd /boot/initrd (then tab)
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16:19<djkoelkast_>yes initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686
16:20<djkoelkast_>and last line is: savedefault
16:20<adb>fgh: ls -al /dev/usb/ ?
16:20<djkoelkast_>I did not install anything, the harddisk works fine in another system (other hdd controller I guess)
16:20<adb>djkoelkast_: and kernel line ?
16:20<djkoelkast_>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro
16:21<djkoelkast_>there are only 3 lines
16:21<adb>you tell changed it
16:21<adb> 22:16:00] <djkoelkast_> let's try hda1
16:21<djkoelkast_>tried, doesn't work
16:22<djkoelkast_>I get the /dev/sda error again
16:22<adb>try it again
16:22<djkoelkast_>can't I boot in some kind of "safe" mode to fix it
16:22<djkoelkast_>when I put this hdd in another pc it works, boots, everything is ok
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16:22<vook>sysfs isn't mounting for some reason.
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16:23<adb>djkoelkast_: you can't get /dev/sda whit hda1
16:23<djkoelkast_>this is my new server, new motherboard, new chipset
16:23<djkoelkast_>I do get that error
16:23<djkoelkast_>I change to root=/dev/hda1 ro
16:23<djkoelkast_>it starts to boot
16:24<djkoelkast_>after a while I get: "/bin/cat: /sys/block/sda/dev: No such file or directory Waiting 1 seconds for /sys/block/sda/dev to show up"
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16:24<djkoelkast_> mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
16:24<djkoelkast_>kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init!
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16:24<djkoelkast_>then it stops
16:25<vook>djkoelkast_: what about reinstalling on the new hardware, then migrating the data?
16:25<djkoelkast_>impossible, I tried that before
16:25<djkoelkast_>it's a webserver
16:25<djkoelkast_>runs multiple websites, mail, mysql
16:26<djkoelkast_>also the control panel doesn't work on Debian 5.0
16:26<djkoelkast_>and I can't find a 4.0 cd anywhere
16:26<MyWifeIs19>when I attach a USB flash drive, sometimes it shows up as /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, or /dev/sdc etc... which one it will be seem to be determinded by phase of moon and which side of bed I woke up... is there a way to mount these consistently from command line?
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16:27<locklace>the solution to both your problems is to mount by uuid
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16:27<dpkg>[uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (libata transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
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16:28<dpkg>pas de quoi, MyWifeIs19
16:29<djkoelkast_>root (hd0,0) << maybe change?
16:29<djkoelkast_>although 0,1 doesn't work and 1,0 doesn't exist
16:29<debuser4235>djkoelkast_:remove "quiet" and add "debug" to the boot line and see if it prints aditional messages... also, you could replace the /dev/?da1 with UUID at boot line and inside /etc/fstab
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16:30<djkoelkast_>I can't edit /etc/fstab as I don't get a console
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16:30<debuser4235>mount the hdd on another PC
16:31<debuser4235>you said that you have done that
16:31<debuser4235>or you could boot a live distro
16:31<djkoelkast_>one moment, I make a screen photo
16:33<prahal>djkoelkast_, try to boot with "emergency" at the end of the kernel line (don't remind if the short version is t or B)
16:34<djkoelkast_>debug doesn't do anything more than without
16:34<djkoelkast_>I don't have a quiet in the line
16:34<djkoelkast_>just ro
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16:34<debuser4235>read the boot messages line by line and search for errors or warnings
16:34<djkoelkast_>the screen photo
16:35<debuser4235>the pic is useless
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16:35<djkoelkast_>this is the error
16:35<debuser4235>the previous messages could reveal more
16:35<djkoelkast_>they are about acpi
16:36<djkoelkast_>and ide
16:36<djkoelkast_>and scsi
16:36<djkoelkast_>ok 1 moment
16:36<djkoelkast_>with emergency added: the same
16:37<djkoelkast_>new screen:
16:38<prahal>what I was afraid of ... thus this is initramfs (initrd) that is wrong
16:38<prahal>well broken
16:38<djkoelkast_>can I fix it on another pc which debian does boot on?
16:38<djkoelkast_>same harddisk
16:39<prahal>or do you have old entries in the bootloader ?
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16:40<vook>djkoelkast_: you can boot to the live cd, then cdroot to /dev/sda1 and make corrections.
16:40<djkoelkast_>old entries in the bootloader? not that I'm aware of
16:40<djkoelkast_>is this possible with a 5.0 live cd although the installation is 4.0?
16:41<vook>should be possible.
16:41<djkoelkast_>I put the harddisk in the old machine: it boots fine now, still
16:41<djkoelkast_>it's already booted and asks to login
16:41<prahal>weird ...
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16:42<prahal>you switch from pata to pure ide ?
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16:42<prahal>I mean pata over sata controller
16:42<djkoelkast_>nope, both SATA
16:43<djkoelkast_>but the old pc has IDE on the mainboard, the new pc doesn't
16:43<djkoelkast_>although I don't use IDE at all, old or new
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16:44<prahal>oh you mean it boot on the old box but not the new one ... I bet initrd only contains driver for the hardware it detects (thus the sata controller might be different and not to be found on new box)
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16:44<prahal>I though it was the opposite
16:44<prahal>which seemed weird to me
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16:45<djkoelkast_>yes it boots on the old pc
16:45<djkoelkast_>how can I fix initrd on the new pc?
16:45<prahal>thus chroot seems a good option or boot from the live system with rescue mode
16:45<djkoelkast_>ok, let me try
16:45<prahal>this should boot with livecd kernel with full hardware support on the harddisk
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16:46<djkoelkast_>so just boot the live cd first
16:46<djkoelkast_>I don't know if it has rescue mode
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16:47<prahal>sort of start form the livecd but do not boot livecd but the harddisk
16:47<prahal>with the livecd kernel and initrd
16:47<djkoelkast_>hm ok one moment I try
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16:48<prahal>if livecd does not provide the rescue option at least installer cd does
16:49<djkoelkast_>it only says: live, live failsafe, live 686, live 686 failsafe, memtest
16:49<djkoelkast_>so I need another cd
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16:49*vook says omg. pure theft - I was vook long before this vook - and they don't even pronounce it correctly.
16:50<djkoelkast_>the netinstall cd?
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16:50<djkoelkast_>20 seconds :D I love my 50mbit download
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16:53<djkoelkast_>rescue mode is booting
16:53<djkoelkast_>what to do
16:54<adb>what's you issue ?
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16:55<djkoelkast_>"enter a device to use as your root file system" I presume /dev/sda1?
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16:55<djkoelkast_>execute a shell in /dev/sda1 ?
16:56<djkoelkast_>then I'm in a shell ;-)
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16:57<djkoelkast_> /home is empty, but that is in another partition, so I guess this is normal
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16:57<djkoelkast_>so I need to fix the initrd now, any help? :D
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16:58<djkoelkast_>prahal still there? :D
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16:59<prahal>djkoelkast_, update-initramfs -k 2.6.18-6-686 -u
16:59<djkoelkast_>command not found
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17:00<prahal>oups probably another one for etch ... update-init then <tab> , does this show anything (are you root too ?)
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17:01<djkoelkast_>I seem to be root now
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17:01<djkoelkast_>it says: bash: update-initramfs: command not found
17:02<prahal>yup but is there update-init<something> ?
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17:03<djkoelkast_>in /etc there is: /etc/initramfs-tools/update-initramfs.conf
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17:06<prahal>ok there is initramfs-tools with /usr/sbin/
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17:06<prahal>is /usr on a separate partition ?
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17:07<prahal>if so mount -a
17:07<djkoelkast_>it is /var/lib/initramfs-tools
17:07<djkoelkast_>only /home is on another partition
17:08<djkoelkast_>initramfs-tools is located in: /etc, /usr/share and /var/lib
17:08<djkoelkast_>I did mount -a, home is now mounted too
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17:09<djkoelkast_>I can to an apt-get install of initramfs-tools
17:09<prahal>though at each time there was also initrd-tools could be that you had one then the other and file are left behind ... I cannot tell right now but if ls /usr/sbin/update-initramfs return nothing then we should seek the other
17:09<djkoelkast_>it says: 1 newly installed
17:09<prahal>ah yes easier
17:10<djkoelkast_>it says: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686 has been alerted. Cannot update. (this is during apt-get)
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17:10<prahal>has been "alerted" ?
17:10<djkoelkast_>but I do have update-initramfs now
17:10<djkoelkast_>altered I guess
17:11<djkoelkast_>sorry :D
17:11<djkoelkast_>not native english
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17:11<Slurb>how about removing the file and re-run
17:12<prahal>hum I would move the old one (broken anyway) and update-initramfs -k 2.6.18-6-686 -c (not -c to create instead of -u to update)
17:12<prahal>I mean move the /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686 to /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686.old
17:12<djkoelkast_>ok moment
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17:14<djkoelkast_>just the prompt back
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17:14<djkoelkast_>looks ok
17:14<jthomas_sb>I used 'reportbug bootcd' a few hours ago and was told I'd get an email about the bug report within an hour, but I haven't yet nor do I see my bug on http://bugs.debianorg/bootcd Did it fail? Or is the 'within an hour' just not accurate?
17:14<djkoelkast_>now just try to reboot?
17:15<prahal>yes if this is not enough we ll look at /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
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17:16<prahal>jthomas_sb, the website takes time to update though yu should have the email quite fast
17:17<jthomas_sb>its been a few hours and there is nothing new on the site either
17:17<djkoelkast_>ok I'll reboot :D
17:17<jthomas_sb>i wish reportbug told you how to exit once you've written your comments; do I need to write-out (save) the file somehow? just exit the editor? something else?
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17:18<djkoelkast_>Begin: Waiting foor root file system... ...
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17:19<djkoelkast_>that's it
17:20<vvas>jthomas_sb: just save-and-exit
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17:20<vvas>jthomas_sb: you can always set it up to use the editor you prefer, if you're unfamiliar with the one it's chosen
17:21<djkoelkast_>when I add debug it hangs at: ieee1394: Host added
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17:21<jthomas_sb>vvas its not the editor that i don't understand, its what the reportbug wants me to DO with the file that I am editing
17:21<djkoelkast_>I could disable ieee1394, I don't use it
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17:22<djkoelkast_>although I dount it's in that
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17:22<gksudo__>What's the worst damage a virus could do to ubuntu ran through wine?
17:22<djkoelkast_>now it hangs at Probing IDE interface ide1... (with debug added to the kernel line)
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17:24<prahal>djkoelkast_, I bet a hardware driver is missing ... though other comments with this error tells there should be more input if waiting a little while
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17:24<djkoelkast_>hmm it stops at a random line, every time else
17:24<vvas_>jthomas_sb: (if you replied please repeat)
17:24<djkoelkast_>I'll boot normal again
17:24<djkoelkast_>let's see
17:25<jthomas_sb> vvas its not the editor that i don't understand, its what the reportbug wants me to DO with the file that I am editing. I have always saved-and-quit but I am never sure that is the correct way to do it since (1) it doesn't say before opening the editor, and (2) it saves to a fime in /tmp/ and I never know if that is right or not.
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17:25<worr>jthomas_sb: yeah, that's the correct way to do it
17:26<prahal>djkoelkast_, you could reboot from the livecd and check the initramfs.conf for MODULES=most
17:26<vvas_>jthomas_sb: yeah, that's the idea, it creates a temporary file in /tmp which you then edit
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17:26<prahal>it looks like it could be an udev issue I am looking after that in the meantime
17:27<jthomas_sb>ok thanks vvas_
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17:27<dstar4138>question... ive been getting the error "Wireless Event too big" when im connecting to a WPA network at my parents house....
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17:28<bja>dstar4138: lazy fast answer "use a cable" :)
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17:29<dstar4138>cant really, dont have one long enough... :(
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17:30<djkoelkast_>2nd (after a few minutes):
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17:32<vvas_>"/dev/sda1 does not exist" is the important bit here
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17:32<djkoelkast_>but it was /dev/sda1 when I checked
17:33<djkoelkast_>sda1 and sda6 should exist
17:33<prahal>djkoelkast_, let s try to reboot from the livecd and check the initramfs.conf (yes but if the module for the controller is missing there is no sda :(
17:33<vvas_>djkoelkast_, at the initrd shell do "ls /dev/sd*", see what it shows
17:33<prahal>you may be able to check on the busybox shell ls /dev/sda and ls /dev/hda
17:34<djkoelkast_>no such file or directory
17:34<vvas_>yeah good call, try "ls /dev/hd*" too
17:34<djkoelkast_>hd the same
17:34<vvas_>so no driver for your SATA controller is actually loaded
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17:35<djkoelkast_>so back to the live cd then
17:35<chaoticmass>Debian Etch: Trying to get XDMCP to work on a local intranet with thin clients. Testing my configuration works locally, like this "Xephyr :1 -query" works on the server (opens a nested X with a new session). But on the thin client (remote) the same command does not work, the connection is rejected, mumbling something about MAGIC_COOKIEs. How do I disable the check for magic cookies (my thin clients config are loc
17:35<prahal>but as the controller is sata I expect the first idea to be right (that is controller module is not included in initrd either because it does not exists in 2.6.18 kernel or initramfs.conf is wrong
17:35<djkoelkast_>there is no sd nor hd entry at all in /dev
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17:35<djkoelkast_>the conf file was built on another hdd controller yes
17:36<djkoelkast_>I'll reboot with the cd
17:36<vvas_>chaoticmass: i would start from the "ACCESS CONTROL" section of the X(7) manpage
17:36<prahal>yup but there are different options for initramfs that is include all hardware drivers or just those needed for the current hardware
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17:37<prahal>MODULES=most should be the right setting
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17:37<prahal>also after booting from the livecd rescue could you find out which driver it uses for the harddisk so I might be able to check the support for this driver in 2.6.18
17:38<chaoticmass>vvas_: man x? man X? err... man ... what exactly do I type?
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17:38<djkoelkast_>ok I'm in shell as root again
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17:39<djkoelkast_>how to find out which driver it uses?
17:39<vvas_>chaoticmass: man X
17:39<prahal>man xauth/xhost
17:39<vvas_>that too
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17:39<prahal>djkoelkast_, lsmod and lshw if installed
17:40<chaoticmass>vvas: there is no entry for X on my Debian Etch system
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17:41<djkoelkast_>it is ata_piix
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17:41<vvas>chaoticmass: ah, i'm afraid i have no idea which package it was in in etch
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17:41<vvas>chaoticmass: by the way, etch is a bit old, have you considered upgrading?
17:41<prahal>chaoticmass, man xauth / man xhost
17:42<amdgoon>hello, what is the name of the program that sets up the network configuration during a lenny install. I want to re-run it with dpkg-reconfigure.
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17:42<djkoelkast_>in lshw
17:42<djkoelkast_>ide:0 IDE interface
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17:43<djkoelkast_>logical name scsi0 and scsi1
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17:43<djkoelkast_>disk description: SCSI Disk
17:43<chaoticmass>vvas: Our intranet has clients running everything from Sarge to Lenny, Windows NT4 to Windows XP ;)
17:43<prahal>djkoelkast_, ok so yes it is available in 2.6.18
17:43<chaoticmass>prahal : thanks
17:43<djkoelkast_>SATA controller runs in IDE mode, not in AHCI
17:44<prahal>hum but it is detected by the livecd so should work
17:45<djkoelkast_>how to add/change this on the hdd itself?
17:45<prahal>there could be that this mode was not supported back then but I hope it was
17:45<prahal>djkoelkast_, check /etc/Initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
17:45<prahal>is MODULES=most ?
17:45<prahal>did you build the initramfs when in the new box too ?
17:46<djkoelkast_>and I built it on the new pc
17:46<vital>amdgoon, I guess after install you should use NetworkManager or similar tool to tune your network
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17:48<djkoelkast_>BOOT=auto DEVICE=eth0 NFSROOT=auto
17:48<djkoelkast_>not much more there
17:48<chaoticmass>I did this: "xhost +", with "access control disabled, clients can connect from any host". I can still connect locally, and remote connections still fail with "client 1 rejected" and something about a MAGIC_COOKIE.
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17:48<amdgoon>hi vital, yes had a poke at that, user said NetworkManager was missing. We are in a vm installed from the lxde-xfce lenny disk. I will double check that networkmanager is missing.
17:49<chaoticmass>btw, using XDM, and I've configured it according to guides online so that XDM should be very very insecurely allowing any kind of connection from anyone.. yet I still get a MAGIC_COOKIE magic rejection.
17:50<vvas>chaoticmass, where did you run the "xhost +"?
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17:50<chaoticmass>vvas: on the server
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17:51<vvas>heh, i knew it
17:51<djkoelkast_>can I somehow copy/install this driver on the harddisk, as it's not there I guess
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17:51*amdgoon also looking at dpkg-reconfigure base-config
17:51<vvas>X terminology always confuses people unfortunately
17:52<vvas>chaoticmass, the "X server" is what your thin client is running, while the "X clients" are the programs that run on your server
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17:52<vvas>therefore, you should run "xhost +" within the X server of your thin client, so that the X clients from the server can connect to it
17:53<mantra_>which motherboard companies are best for linux?
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17:53<prahal>djkoelkast_, mkdir test; cp /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686 test/a.gz; cd test; gunzip a.gz; cpio -i < a; ls lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/ata_piix.ko
17:54<chaoticmass>vvas: alright, you got me. I ran xhost + on the thin client also. Still getting magic cookie complaints.
17:54<vvas>mantra_, i don't think the company that makes the motherboard matters all that much (it's always good to get a quality motherboard of course), it's more the company that makes the chipset that matters...
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17:55<djkoelkast_>yep it's there
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17:56<chaoticmass>I give up for now. Thanks for the effort. I'm off to go eat some MAGIC_COOKIEs.
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18:05<djkoelkast_>ok here it comes
18:05<djkoelkast_>lshw screens
18:05<djkoelkast_>maybe I did something wrong
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18:06<djkoelkast_>screen 1: screen 2: screen 3: screen 4:
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18:07<djkoelkast_>ata_piix seems to be the driver, ain't it?
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18:08<djkoelkast_>and the driver seems to be in the kernel
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18:08<djkoelkast_>so why does the thing say there's no /dev/sda1
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18:12<prahal>cause it is not loaded . you could try rebooting with the made up initrd and wait for the busybox prompt and modprobe ata_piix
18:12<djkoelkast_>any more suggestions?
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18:13<djkoelkast_>didn't read that, I'll try it
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18:15<prahal>yes though it is becoming hardcore ... at least this test will tell if it is detection that fail or the driver that is too old in 2.6.18
18:16<djkoelkast_>updating kernel in recover mode an option?
18:16<djkoelkast_>reinstalling is far more hardcore and time consuming ;-)
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18:17<prahal>djkoelkast_, sure it is an option . It is a normal system only the kernel you use is the livecd (leeny) one
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18:17<prahal>lenny ooops
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18:18<djkoelkast_>but the module was present in the current kernel
18:18<djkoelkast_>I'm not a linux guru *at all* but I do understand what I'm doing ;-)
18:18<prahal>though if it is detection that fails it won't help upgrading (could be udev or things I am still looking into initramfs internals
18:19<djkoelkast_>modprobe ata_piix give: SCSI subsystem initialized
18:19<prahal>yup this is far stretched ? I am thinking the not probable case that the driver has had major rewrite between 2.6.18 and lenny
18:20<prahal>djkoelkast_, do you have /dev/sda now ?
18:20<prahal>seems like it is detection that fails
18:20<djkoelkast_>all /dev/s* is: /dev/snapshot
18:20<djkoelkast_>and all /dev/h* is /dev/hpet
18:21<prahal>a min
18:22<prahal>dmesg|tail ? modprobe sd_mod
18:23<djkoelkast_>dmesg: SCSI subsystem initialized and: libdata version 2.00 loaded. (last 2 lines)
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18:23<djkoelkast_>modprobe sd_mod gives no output
18:23<djkoelkast_>still no /dev/sd* or /hd*
18:24<prahal>udevadm trigger; udevadm settle
18:24<djkoelkast_>udevadm: not found
18:24<prahal>oups that s for lenny ...
18:25<djkoelkast_>the panel I'm using is etch only
18:25<djkoelkast_>so I have to stick with it for a while
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18:27<prahal>udevtrigger ?
18:27<djkoelkast_>but in plain english, it does load the driver, but does not detect the drives?
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18:27<djkoelkast_>although it boots from the drive :P
18:27<djkoelkast_>udevtrigger gives no output
18:28<prahal>yes but with a different kernel and initrd (and initrd contains udev from the build system there lenny)
18:28<djkoelkast_>udevsettle gives no output as well
18:28<djkoelkast_>though it accepts it
18:29<djkoelkast_>still no /dev/sd*
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18:29<Preplexed>hi can any one give me advice on how to use awn please
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18:31<djkoelkast_>any options left?
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18:32<prahal>could you provide lsmod output ?
18:32<Preplexed>I am wanting to add a icon to it I have got so far but I want for it to launch no idea how to#
18:32<djkoelkast_>for me of for preplexed?
18:32<djkoelkast_>lsmod doesn't do anything here ;-)
18:32<djkoelkast_>not found
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18:33<brandoncornell>I have some questions about Debian on PowerPC
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18:33<prahal>ide mode ...
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18:34<Preplexed>what do I put in for a command I want to launch firefox
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18:34<prahal>seems that upgrading kernel is a must for this option (at least to this kernel ... I am still looking after which one include this debian patch
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18:34<Inonoob>hey all
18:34<Preplexed>hi brandon
18:35<djkoelkast_>I think this must be done on the cd again
18:35<Brandon>Is the PowerPC debian similar to the x86 one?
18:35<djkoelkast_>let me look which controller it is
18:35<Brandon>as far as applications available etc
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18:36<djkoelkast_>oh no moment
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18:37<djkoelkast_>wrong version
18:37<bremner>Brandon: mostly pretty similar. You check particular applications on
18:37<djkoelkast_>yeah still ICH10
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18:38<Brandon>Any Ideas for a Power PC 120Mhz and 40MB RAM
18:38<prahal>ok so I should seek for this one ... by the way the patch was also for ich8 so it seems it added the support at all (not just ich9)
18:38<Preplexed>I am wanting to launch firefox and have to put in a command what i put
18:39<djkoelkast_>ok but 9 is a lot older than 10 as far as I know
18:39<amphi>Preplexed: iceweasel ;)
18:39<djkoelkast_>this is the G43 chipset
18:39<Preplexed>amphi wat that mean?
18:40<prahal>gasp lot older would mean well that it could not be there for any of the etch kernels (even backports) ... still looking
18:40<Inonoob>SO i have a question: I have inet over a wlan router. That mean some on in a city has a physical inet connecetion and he share this connection throw his router. The company öcherWlan gave me a router to connect to the inet over Wlan. But some times it doesn't work. I pay 19,90e each month , they say if you can log ervery time it doeesnt work so we will reduc the price.
18:40<Inonoob>my question ist now can i log if im online or not and how ?
18:40<amphi>Preplexed: that's what you type in a term or run box to start, um, iceweasel (debian's firefox)
18:40<djkoelkast_>athough this is about ubuntu
18:41<djkoelkast_>about the same I guess
18:41<djkoelkast_>copy drivers/ata source from a newer kernel with this support (2.6.28-9 Ubuntu) so I think 2.6.28-9 supports ICH10?
18:42<djkoelkast_>2.6.24 should also support ICH10?
18:42<djkoelkast_> dists/etch/linux-2.6.24/debian/patches/features/ich10-ide-mode-sata-controller-ids.patch << I think I need this one
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18:42<djkoelkast_>as I use it in IDE mode
18:43<Brandon>is 40mb ram enough to boot?
18:43<Preplexed>ampi how did u know that?
18:45<djkoelkast_>so can I just boot the cd again and do an apt-get kernel update and modify GRUB after that, reboot and be happy? :P
18:45<amphi>Preplexed: just a good guess ;)
18:47<Inonoob>no one for my problem
18:47<Preplexed>amphi ur kool
18:47<dpkg>Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.
18:48<Preplexed>i dont have a tv but have broadband is there anyway i can watch tv on my laptop
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18:48<prahal>djkoelkast_, yes I just found the alioth mail . I believe this was included in one of the debian provided kernel ... 2.6.24 is etchnhalf ... though this one could only be in the latest releases of this one
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18:50<prahal>etchnhalf was an intermediate upgrade between etch and lenny I bet
18:50<djkoelkast_>What is Etch And A Half
18:50<djkoelkast_>Etch And A Half is an additional set of packages that have been included in Debian Etch, since 4.0r4, to increase the amount of hardware supported by Debian 4.
18:50<prahal>though its kernel should be more fitted for an etch system than a lenny or above one
18:51<djkoelkast_>Etch-and-a-half isn't a new distribution: it is a regular point release.
18:51<djkoelkast_>If you want to have improved hardware, you might want to manually install the new package (see below).
18:51<djkoelkast_>is this doable?
18:51<djkoelkast_>without risking it being broken?
18:51<prahal>yes way better than using backport
18:52<prahal>I mean in terms of testing ... it should not be broken
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18:52<djkoelkast_>ok how do I do this, just boot from the cd and do a dist-upgrade?
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18:53<djkoelkast_>or update just the linux package
18:53<djkoelkast_>What packages would be updated
18:53<djkoelkast_>•linux-2.6.24 (optional)
18:53<djkoelkast_>•Xorg drivers
18:53<djkoelkast_>•debian-installer (based on Lenny beta 2)
18:53<djkoelkast_>I don't use X at all
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18:53<djkoelkast_>just a console server
18:54<djkoelkast_>You just need to search and install the 'etchnhalf package' that you want, after do the mandatory 'update', of course.
18:54<djkoelkast_>For instance, 'linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686' when, as you know, 'official' kernel branch is 2.6.18 in Etch.
18:55<djkoelkast_>is this correct?
18:55<Preplexed>Hi can I watch TV on my Debian system?
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18:58<prahal>via wget or use aptitude (I don't know how to do it for etchnhalf though)
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19:00<prahal>Preplexed, depends if it is supported by the kernel (your hardware)
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19:00<Brandon>Has anyone here installed Debian 5 on a powerpc?
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19:03<adb>Brandon: try #debianppc
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19:05<djkoelkast_>ok let me try this
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19:08<djkoelkast_>I don't have aptitude
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19:08<djkoelkast_>Error opening terminal: bterm
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19:10<prahal>just wget (when boot from rescue mode with livecd kernel
19:10<djkoelkast_>wow :D
19:10<djkoelkast_>lot of typing over :P
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19:10<prahal>yup ... are you booted using livecd currently ?
19:11<djkoelkast_>but no ssh
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19:11<prahal>and you don't have aptitude ... apt-get install aptitude
19:11<djkoelkast_>it is installed
19:11<djkoelkast_>but it doesn't work
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19:11<djkoelkast_>because of bterm not working in rescue mode
19:12<djkoelkast_>I've got the tinyurl
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19:12<prahal>I guess the bterm issue is unrelated to the kernel :(
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19:13<prahal>only aptitude curse interface requires a supported terminal I bet
19:13<djkoelkast_>pico also doesn't work because of it
19:13<djkoelkast_>nano the same
19:13<djkoelkast_>ok downloaded the deb package
19:13<djkoelkast_>now just dpkg?
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19:14<prahal>could require a few other packages upgrade , let s see
19:14<djkoelkast_>found kernel
19:14<djkoelkast_>updating grub
19:15<djkoelkast_>back to prompt, no errors
19:15<prahal>no initramfs message ?
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19:15<prahal>is there /boot/initrd-2.6.24<...>
19:15<djkoelkast_>setting up linux-image (and so on)
19:16<djkoelkast_>running depmod
19:16<djkoelkast_>using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk
19:16<prahal>ok fine so
19:16<djkoelkast_>yes there is
19:16<djkoelkast_>boot looks fine
19:16<djkoelkast_>old and new entries
19:17<djkoelkast_>grub seems configured as well
19:17<djkoelkast_>try to reboot?
19:17<prahal>yep :)
19:18<djkoelkast_>yep grub menu.lst has both now, defaulting to the new
19:18<chealer>!tell djkoelkast_ about enter
19:18<djkoelkast_>too many enters? :P
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19:18<djkoelkast_>ok it boots now, and is checking root file system /dev/sda1 :D:D
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19:19<prahal>gasp new error ? or filesystem error ?
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19:20<djkoelkast_>filesystem I guess, rebooted quickly, but now it boots all the way
19:20<prahal>do you still have issue running aptitude, nano and so forth ?
19:21<djkoelkast_>now I'm in full linux
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19:21<prahal>well hell froze :) armageddon is over
19:21<djkoelkast_>not through the cd anymore, now I have to reconfigure network, it doesn't know any eth0
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19:22<djkoelkast_>nor eth1
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19:22<prahal>agh could require new kernel too ...
19:23<djkoelkast_>lshw says: networking unclaimed
19:23<prahal>you could boot again fwith livecd kernel and check with lshw the drivers for the ethernet cards
19:24<djkoelkast_>Networking 10/100/1G LAN with Intel® Remote Wake Technology support
19:24<djkoelkast_>ok I will
19:24<djkoelkast_>almost there :D
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19:25<prahal>though next one will be the lenny one , there are no newest one than the one you got for etch
19:25<prahal>don't know about backports, maybe there is one available there
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19:26<themill>djkoelkast_: what's the PCI-Id of that device? (see lspci -nn)
19:28<djkoelkast_>unknown device it says
19:28<themill>close... should be one more character than that
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19:28<prahal>is it claimed
19:28<abrotman>it's intel!
19:28<djkoelkast_>it doesn't give a driver in lshw, it is intel yes
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19:28<abrotman>djkoelkast_: it shuld be xxxx:xxxx
19:29<djkoelkast_>physical id 19, bus info pci@00:19.0
19:29<prahal>pciids is too old
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19:29<prahal>yep but leading 0 could be discarded, couldn't it ?
19:29<abrotman>djkoelkast_: are you going to give us the PCI ID ?
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19:29<djkoelkast_>so it must be the e1000e ;-)
19:29<abrotman>or don't ...
19:30<themill>all e1000e are not created equal.
19:30<prahal>8086:10c could well be 8086:010c
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19:30<abrotman>prahal: not likely .. he probably forgot the last character
19:30<djkoelkast_>it stops at that
19:30<djkoelkast_>there is no last character
19:30<djkoelkast_>no closing bracket
19:31<djkoelkast_>not on the next line too
19:31<themill>prahal: that's not how lspci reports them and that's a non-existent device from intel anyway)
19:31<abrotman>djkoelkast_: can you paste the whole line of lspci -nn ?
19:31<djkoelkast_>or maybe
19:31<djkoelkast_>my monitor :D
19:31<themill>more likely...
19:31<djkoelkast_>[8086:10ce] sorry ;-)
19:31<themill>judd pciid 8086:10ce --release etch
19:31<judd>themill: [8086:10ce] is '82567V-2 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in etch but has kernel module 'set(['e1000e'])' in sid. See also
19:31<themill>judd pciid 8086:10ce --release lenny
19:32<judd>themill: [8086:10ce] is '82567V-2 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e1000e' in lenny. See also
19:32<abrotman>etch ?
19:32<prahal>could we see etch backports ?
19:32<themill>judd pciid 8086:10ce --release etchnhalf
19:32<judd>themill: [8086:10ce] is '82567V-2 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in etchnhalf but has kernel module 'set(['e1000e'])' in sid. See also
19:32<djkoelkast_>pciid: command not found
19:32<prahal>he already has ethcnhalf
19:32<themill>yeah, and etchnhalf isn't going to cut it
19:33<prahal>this is a bot command
19:33<themill>I've not bothered adding in etch-backports to judd.... it has lenny-backports though :)
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19:33<djkoelkast_>sorry, it's late :P
19:33<themill>but the driver in etch-backports will be the same as the lenny kernel
19:33<prahal>ah ok :) then I ll check the old way
19:33<abrotman>but etchnhalf isn't etch-backports
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19:34<SouthernC>anyone know why i cant read files on my cdrom ? i can mount it but when i try dir or ls nothing shows
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19:37<prahal>it has e1000e , yeah it s late , and three hours of walkabout getting the sata controller working ouch
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19:39<djkoelkast_>don't know your timezone ;-)
19:39<djkoelkast_>this package, how can I install it?
19:39<prahal>gmt + 1
19:39<abrotman>djkoelkast_: does your internet work at all right now ?
19:40<abrotman>djkoelkast_: did you just install the system ?
19:40<prahal>you can click on download (below downlaod there is i386) and install it via dpkg
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19:40<abrotman>if he's just installed the system, it'd be easier to just get the lenny netinet
19:40<djkoelkast_>the system boots fine now with etchnhalf, but internet doesn't work there. Now i booted in rescue mode through a lenny netinstall cd and internet works fine now
19:40<prahal>he is using lenny kernel to get network working (via rescue mode from livecd)
19:41<djkoelkast_>and my timezone is GMT+2 :P
19:42<prahal>probably this could wait for tomorrow :) you have the web page which contains the download link and the install is the same as for etchnhalf kernel , wget
19:43<themill>djkoelkast_: my advice would be now: (a) go to bed (b) download a lenny netinst in the morning (c) install lenny.
19:43<abrotman>or download it now .. shut the machine down after .. install in the AM!
19:44<djkoelkast_>conflicts with yaird (<<0.0.13)
19:44<prahal>or you could upgrade to lenny from the current system (when booted from the lenny netinst cd kernel)
19:44<djkoelkast_>can't install lenny
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19:44<djkoelkast_>the web control panel doesn't work with lenny
19:44<prahal>as you have initramfs-tools you can remove yaird
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19:45<djkoelkast_>and I don't want to reinstall all websites/mail etc. again
19:45<djkoelkast_>removed and installing
19:45<themill>djkoelkast_: you realise that you only have about 6 months of security support for etch left, don't you? Now is the time to be planning upgrades to lenny, not making new installations of etch.
19:45<prahal>ouch I saw the same issue with Free in france ... damn webpanel that do not upgrade year after releases
19:46<djkoelkast_>I have openpanel now, there are no upgrades yet for lenny
19:46<djkoelkast_>so I have to stick
19:46<djkoelkast_>or reinstall *a lot*
19:46<djkoelkast_>ok 2.6.26-bpo is there
19:47<djkoelkast_>reboot and hope ;-)
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19:48<abrotman>english please
19:48<abrotman>or not
19:50<djkoelkast_>ok now it says: networking DISABLED (in lshw)
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19:50<djkoelkast_>it does use the correct driver though
19:50<djkoelkast_>ah eth2
19:50<djkoelkast_>fine with me
19:50<prahal>weird bah too late to ask for trouble :)
19:51<djkoelkast_>we have networking
19:51<djkoelkast_>on eth2 though (maybe it sees firewire as networking too, although I disabled it in the BIOS)
19:51<enouf>djkoelkast_: try /msg dpkg z25
19:51<djkoelkast_>yeah we even have websites online again :D:D
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19:52<djkoelkast_>that doesn't work
19:52<djkoelkast_>but hey, everything seems to work :D
19:53<djkoelkast_>I even have email
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19:53<djkoelkast_>and a lot quicker than before :D
19:54<themill>yay... all the spam can now be delivered
19:54<djkoelkast_>yeah :P
19:55<djkoelkast_>now from outside: does it work?
19:55<prahal>I was wondering why my inbox was empty ... I miss those spam (it s like tv , realtime)
19:55<djkoelkast_>it's one of the domains running on the server
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19:56<fgh>may i run picasa 3 on lenny?
19:57<abrotman>isn't it windows only ?
19:57<fgh>no but its 2.7 in the stable repo
19:58<abrotman>fgh: i don't see picasa in debian
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19:58<themill>fgh: the picasa3 download from google works on lenny, yes
19:58<fgh>oh sorry, ive added googles own repo
19:58<djkoelkast_>it works all back again, a big fat THANKS to everybody :D
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19:59<fgh>themill: the picasa3 ?
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20:06<fgh>changed deb stable non-free
20:06<fgh>to testing, simple as that :)
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20:17<kylei>I need to compile libcurl with c-ares. How can I do this and have apt recoginze that I have libcurl installed?
20:18<abrotman>famelix: do you need help?
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20:19<abrotman>guess not
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20:22<kylei>Anyone know how to build your own libraries with different flags than those in the lenny repository and have apt recognize them as filling the dependency?
20:22<dpkg>As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy>
20:23<abrotman>or use equivs if you'd rather not use the debian source
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21:10<adb>what's opposite command for startx ? i need to stop X by command cmd line
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21:10<bremner>adb: killall xinit? I'm not sure if some signal works better
21:11<adb>trying ..
21:11<Nemoder>adb: if X was started with a display manager like gdm then it's better to do /etc/init.d/gdm stop
21:12<EricB>init 3?
21:12<adb>X use a special case : runit ..
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21:13<bremner>adb: probably too late now, but it usually suffices to kill the window manager (since that is the last thing in .xinitrc)
21:14<abrotman>killall X ?
21:14<adb>system has only killall5
21:15<bremner>adb: so use ps to find the processes?
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21:15<bja>pidof x|xorg|X
21:16<adb>anyways is only in vbox so not so important , and killall5 freezeed all for now
21:16<bremner>bja: you kids and your fancy utilities. When I was young we grepped /dev/kmem, and we were happy to have it.
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21:17<bja>bremner: pidof i believe is somewhat out of common knowledge, but i've used it for some time now
21:18<bja>bremner: grep /dev/kmem i hated that
21:19<bja>bremner: I never managed to make it work
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21:23<bja>!beer bremner
21:23*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Spaten Optimator for bremner
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21:24<bremner>thanks! I have had Spaten, but not Optimator, I think
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21:51*kop loves the new freeze policy
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22:11<racecar56>how do i get kde 4.2.4 on lenny? i know there are some repos but i lost them :\
22:11<deagon>Good day or evening to everyone.
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22:12<deagon>Can someone assist with a (aborted) kernel update related sound issue?
22:13<abrotman>racecar56: ask #debian-kde .. don't think you can
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22:14<deagon>I upgraded my kernel to the latest stable and founf that I needed to recompile madwifi, after the hassle the first time round (recently) I thought, nah and went back to my old kernel only to find my sound no longer works.
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22:16<abrotman>ath5k doesn't work ?
22:17<deagon>It does on my original kernel, its a sound card issue I am having.
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22:18<abrotman>so if ath5k works .. why not use that ?
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22:19<deagon_>I run alsaconf in root terminal and it works for about 5 seconds before stopping again.***
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22:22<deagon_>I can't figure it out at all, lspci picks it up...."00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)"
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22:25<deagon>Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated
22:26<ehhtehh>im heno
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22:26<cheal>deagon: which kernel? abrotman asked whether ath5k works on the stable kernel
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22:28<deagon>2.6.26-1-686 is what I am using now, 2.6.26-2-686 is what I was going to upgrade too.
22:30<abrotman>you're still not answering the question
22:30<deagon>Never got around to trying out my ath5k on the newer kernel.
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22:30<deagon>Yeah, sorry wasn't paying much attention.
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22:35<deagon>The ath5k adapter on my system definitely wasn't usable on my machine when I booted 2.6.26-2-686
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22:36<deagon>I never got around to recompiling madwifi hal when i was running that kernel
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22:41<deagon>However, if I remember correctly my wlan card was present in lspci on 2.6.26-2-686, just not present in knm.
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22:43<chealer>deagon: "not present in knm" is hardlt a sign that it wasn't usable on your machine
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22:44<deagon>True enough, I never worded my prior sentence correctly.
22:46<deagon>It was present, just not usable without some tweaking or with alternative network configuration or software****
22:47<deagon>But this issue at hand isn't the wlan but the lack of sound on both kernels since i installed the new one.
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22:49<deagon>I read a couple of forums hinting that kmix was the issue, but that was their system not mine, So I can' be certain.
22:50<deagon>aRts Control does show mixer output, it's just not audiable.
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23:29<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
23:29<dpkg>As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy>
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