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---Logopened Fri Jul 31 00:00:02 2009
00:00<kop>CutMeOwnThroat: If you don't like things frozen, and you know it's going to happen you can work toward keeping the freeze short.
00:00<CutMeOwnThroat>you're saying... there will be a pre-freeze period
00:00<CutMeOwnThroat>yeah, maybe
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00:02<kop>CutMeOwnThroat: The release team will have more incentive to get bugs ironed out, or packages rejected, so that there's porportionately less time in freeze.
00:02<kop>Then again, I'm probably just dreaming.
00:02<CutMeOwnThroat>I still think it would be good to have a semi-stable which keeps collecting packages that seem to meet criteria for stable after being in testing for 2 weeks
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00:02<CutMeOwnThroat>might create too much chaos, though
00:03<kop>CutMeOwnThroat: I was always under the impression that strain on the security team is an issue in that regard. But then I'm not someone who really knows anything about this sort of stuff.
00:06<CutMeOwnThroat>are these guys doing it as a paid full-time job?
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00:07<CutMeOwnThroat>ah, found it
00:07<CutMeOwnThroat>kind of
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00:10<CutMeOwnThroat>looks like - but they're also handling everything else
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00:29<gecko_>hi guys, im get kernel panic: unable to mount devfs unknow file system or something like this .. anybody can help me?
00:30<gecko_>i search the devfs menu in menu config but.. there is no option for support this
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00:47<woocyfear>Hello everybody
00:47<woocyfear>i have a question
00:48<woocyfear>is any program for linu, which can syncronize to ftp server???
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00:49<woocyfear>i tried alredy 10-15 ftp client, but i didn't found which can
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00:51<woocyfear>anybody knows one??
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00:53<jmarsden>woocyfear: Did you try the mirror command in lftp ?
00:54<woocyfear>i'm new in linux, so i think it's would be better with gui
00:54<woocyfear>do you know something?
00:55<CutMeOwnThroat>wget -m ?
00:56<CutMeOwnThroat>what's got gui/non-gui anything to do with linux
00:56<CutMeOwnThroat>or being new to anything
00:57<CutMeOwnThroat>gecko_, sounds a bit like no initramfs image was loaded...
00:57<CutMeOwnThroat>gecko_, what kernel is that?
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00:58<gecko_>i use the mkinitrd
00:58<CutMeOwnThroat>so you build that yourself and you broke it
00:58<gecko_>to create the initrd.img
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00:59<gecko_>i ready right now..that i suppose to do this with initramfs
00:59<dpkg>rumour has it, initramfs is the new <initrd>. See for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug>.
01:00<CutMeOwnThroat>as you compiled that yourself... a 1000 things can go wrong with it
01:00<gecko_>i will try this
01:01<CutMeOwnThroat>what's wrong with using 2.6.30 which is even in bpo?
01:01<gecko_>n be right back
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01:03<Prathibha>How to generate Release.gpg file for a debian repository
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01:04<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (, Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>.
01:05<CutMeOwnThroat>I guess
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01:18<deniz_>is it possible to run 64 bit guest in virtualbox-ose or only virtualbox?
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01:21<CutMeOwnThroat>I only tried with qemu
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01:28<jmarsden>deniz_: I am fairly sure virtualbox-ose it can have 64bit guests, as long as your CPU has hardware virtualization capability. Mine here currently lacks that (Intel E5200) so I am limited to 32bit guests.
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01:54<miickee>Hey I've installed debian lenny in a virtual machine and I don't have any other network interfaces but loopback :S
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02:20<CutMeOwnThroat>and now we're supposed to buy you a virtual ethernet card
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02:40<digifor>How do I copy a cd on lenny from the command line on a laptop with only one drive?
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02:43<jm_>digifor: you mean you want to burn a copy of the original?
02:44<digifor>jm_, yes. just copy
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02:45<buffoon_work>digifor, cp /dev/cdrom debian_lenny.iso, put in a empty cd and then do cdrecord debian_lenny.iso
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02:46<digifor>Sorry I might have confused with my question
02:46<digifor>This is a disk with audio-visual training material
02:47<buffoon_work>well, then cp /dev/cdrom disk_with_audo-visual_training.iso and then cdrecord disk_with_audo-visual_training.iso
02:48<jm_>digifor: dvd? vobcopy etc.
02:48<digifor>ok then. So they are all iso when making a copy? Even a music cd?
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02:48<buffoon_work>they should be the same yes
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02:49<buffoon_work>as long as there's no copy protection or something
02:49<digifor>buffoon_work, and jm_ thanks
02:49<buffoon_work>it should work
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02:58<jm_>digifor: audio cd-s are not iso
02:59<sney>you can do it raw I think
02:59<jm_>digifor: you want to use a tool like cdparanoia to copy audio cd-s
02:59<sney>doesn't need to be an iso filesystem since it's just copying the ones and zeros
03:00<jm_>DVD-s have a problem with encryption (if they are encrypted), that's where vobcopy helps ;)
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03:27<ant_>anyone know if I can make "aptitude changelog" work for my private repository? (i.e. is the a path I can fill with changelogs so it can find them)
03:30<CutMeOwnThroat>man aptitude -> changelog Downloads and displays the Debian changelog for each of the given ource or binary packages
03:31<CutMeOwnThroat>hm, not so useful
03:32<CutMeOwnThroat>strace aptitude changelog somepackage
03:33<CutMeOwnThroat>open("/var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin", O_RDONLY) = 3
03:33<enouf>apt-llistchanges ftw
03:33<CutMeOwnThroat>seems it fetches the source package
03:33<enouf>er, minus one 'l'
03:34<CutMeOwnThroat>today with extra-l
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03:34<ant_>my repo has source packages available... Oh well... Guess I have to find time to read through the source
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03:35<CutMeOwnThroat>if the somewhat obscure name srcpkgcache is anything to go by
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03:36<CutMeOwnThroat>I don't see why it shouldn't work with your local repro
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03:40<CutMeOwnThroat>... but then it looks a bit like a black art :)
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03:52<EmleyMoor>Are there any good HOWTOs on using amanda to back up to DVD?
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03:54*EmleyMoor is a bit annoyed with cdbackup producing corrupt images and there are no other non-intensive (for me) ways that don't involve amanda
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04:03<CutMeOwnThroat>amanda being your girlfriend?
04:03<CutMeOwnThroat>I doubt it
04:03<EmleyMoor>amanda being a backup program
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04:05<CutMeOwnThroat>README and examples in /usr/share/doc/amanda-server/ aren't helpful?
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04:05<EmleyMoor>They are convoluted in extremis
04:06<CutMeOwnThroat>couple of howtos in /usr/share/doc/amanda-common/docs/
04:06<CutMeOwnThroat> ~30
04:06<CutMeOwnThroat>perhaps it's an extremely convoluted program
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04:07<EmleyMoor>I will have a look there - but every HOWTO I have seen yet is not aiming in the direction I am=
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04:10<EmleyMoor>"For CD/DVD using cdrw-taper, do it like this:"
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04:14<valdyn>EmleyMoor: what type of backups? incremental?
04:15<EmleyMoor>valdyn: All kinds
04:15<valdyn>EmleyMoor: theres no one tool that is good for everything
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04:16<EmleyMoor>I've been using a combination of flexbackup and cdbackup - but the latter is creating useless images
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04:17<EmleyMoor>It's also quite prone to mmistakes
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04:33<EmleyMoor>Is there anything other than amanda any good at all for this? amanda is much too convoluted
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04:36<enouf>you still haven't described "this"
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04:37<Tacobell>we talking about a woman here?
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04:37<Tacobell>as amanda sounds...neat
04:39<EmleyMoor>No - a backup system
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04:40<EmleyMoor>I have been using flexbackup and cdbackup to produce backups in a form that will happily go on DVD - but cdbackup has taken to porducing corrupt images
04:40<EmleyMoor>I am therefore seeking an alternative that is equal work or less once set up
04:41<jm_>did you look at mondo?
04:41<EmleyMoor>(I know a way that is more work!)
04:41<EmleyMoor>Not yet
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04:49<EmleyMoor>mondo looks to be for single systems
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04:55<EmleyMoor>Some way to link tar to level management (dump style) and DVD image making (or maybe multi-disc direct writing) would be adequate
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05:01<digifor>How can I install songbird on debian lenny?
05:01<EmleyMoor>(in fact, linking flexbacxup to DVD image writing would be adequate - but cdbackup is not the tool to use)
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05:02<EmleyMoor>What is songbird?
05:02<themill>music player, not in debian
05:03<digifor>Depends on Firefox
05:03<digifor>not iceweasel
05:03<themill>digifor: are you trying to install the ubuntu package into your debian system?
05:03<EmleyMoor>If it existed for Debian it would probably have to be called singchicken or something
05:03<digifor>Doesn't seem to be an icebird yet :)
05:04<digifor>At this point just googling for a how to
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05:05<EmleyMoor>Is there anything that can take a load of files and carve them up as necessary to fit multiple DVDs, other than cdbackup?
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05:07<digifor>one possibility would be to build my own firefox 3.5
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05:09<jm_>I use gaffitter to find list of files that fit on discs
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05:10<Brigo>Problems with a new sata disk. In boot time it get sleeped, but only sometimes ...
05:10<themill>digifor: you can probably take the ubuntu package, fiddle with debian/control to use iceweasel and then recompile it for debian. It's not for the faint hearted though. /msg dpkg package recompile
05:11<EmleyMoor>jm_: Not good when some of them definitely need carving up
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05:11<valdyn>digifor: theres already iceweasel 3.5 for debian
05:12<Brigo>valdyn: where?
05:12<Brigo>valdyn: i am using sid ...
05:12<digifor>valdyn, songbird looks for "firefox" not "iceweasel"
05:13<valdyn>digifor: songbird should be configurable
05:13<valdyn>digifor: or are you talking about package dependencies?
05:13<Brigo>valdyn: :-/
05:14<Brigo>not in spanish yet ...
05:15<themill>valdyn: from what I work out, he's trying to install either an upstream .deb or the ubuntu .deb onto his debian machine.
05:15<digifor>I'm running lenny. I am not really ready for sid.
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05:16<valdyn>digifor: you can use equivs to fix the dependency
05:16<valdyn>digifor: recompiling seems overkill
05:18<valdyn>Brigo: dangerous
05:18<themill>valdyn: only if it actually works.... and I don't really want to encourage random users to install ubuntu packages on their machines and then fake out the dependencies with equivs.
05:18<valdyn>themill: agreed
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05:19<Brigo>0 sites and 0 packages matched. :-(((
05:19<valdyn>digifor: i probably wouldnt use a .deb package for songbird but just grab the tarball and extract that at $HOME
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05:20<digifor>valdyn, I'll try that. Thanks guys
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05:49<daniel>hey all
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07:00<lbt>does anyone know where the debian gcc packagers hang out
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07:07<ans-tor>is there any issue about the copyright/license of the debian package itself?
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07:07<ans-tor>i mean the directory debian/ in each package
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07:09<petemc>what kind of issue?
07:09<ans-tor>the work of packaging is the copyrightable work or not?
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07:11<dpkg>i guess dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at
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07:15<ans-tor>if i work for a corporate, i package a .deb for my corporate
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07:15<ans-tor>if i work for a corporate, i package a gpl software into .deb for my corporate
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07:16<urbinek_work>how can i connect wirelessy with router in command line ?
07:16<urbinek_work>only command line
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07:16<ans-tor>if i work for a corporate, i package a gpl software into .deb for my corporate internal use.
07:16<urbinek_work>ther is dhcp, no passwords etc
07:17<ans-tor>what if i want to contribute my .deb work to debian ?
07:17<petemc>urbinek_work: iwlist and iwconfig
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07:17<petemc>urbinek_work: in the wireless-tools package
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07:18<ans-tor>do i need to get the license from my corporate to do that?
07:18<urbinek_work>and ther is a trigger, ethernet port is fired, i have installed wireless-tools but i cant find any info how to connetc or it doesnt work
07:18<ans-tor>do i need to get the proper license from my corporate to do that?
07:18<urbinek_work>i bought TPlink wifi router
07:18<urbinek_work>i wanna to connect
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07:19<urbinek_work>petemc: ther is how to with gui, network-mangener isn't working, i donk know why
07:20<petemc>urbinek_work: there are further links on that page that will be of interest to you
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07:22<urbinek_work>i cant find ...
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07:23<raveforever>if I am not wrong today is the IT-day!
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07:23<raveforever>256-th day of the year!
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07:24<raveforever>I need an advice
07:24<eXo>Hello, I'm trying to compile a Promise RAID driver with no luck. I really don't know much about this matter but would appreciate some guidance. Is this the appropiate channel?
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07:25<jm_>is ther eno dirver in kernel to support the hardware?
07:25<raveforever>I want to hide or change system name from prying eyes
07:26<raveforever>for example, using psi for jabber other users in chatroom can identify my system via bot command
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07:26<petemc>raveforever: you could use tor
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07:26<dpkg>The Onion Router - a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see or not allowed on #debian (freenode), see, or not in Etch, see, or #tor @
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07:27<raveforever>but I need easier way
07:28<raveforever>not just for jabber with psi
07:28<raveforever>I want change my system name widely
07:28<raveforever>or do it system-wide :)
07:29<petemc>what do you think changing your system name will achieve?
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07:31<raveforever>If I change system version info, I can give incorrect info to hackers and so on. Depending on OS version the can guess kernel version
07:31<bremner>raveforever: the outside world only sees the name assigned by you isp, not your hostname
07:31<raveforever>try it in jabber conference
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07:32<bremner>raveforever: utilitys like nmap don't use any settings on the host
07:33<urbinek_work>petemc: i cant find ..
07:33<raveforever>bremner, do u know any issue for my task?
07:34<bremner>raveforever: use some kind of firewall and/or tor
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07:34<raveforever>well, Linux is almost fully customizable OS
07:35<petemc>urbinek_work: its clearly linked towards the bottom of the page
07:35<kapal>Hello! Has anyone sucessfully set up multiple virtualbox'es with debian lenny(gues) on debian lenny(host) bridged to a single host interface? Any feedback appreciated...
07:35<urbinek_work>k, works
07:35<raveforever>and I am sure OS version info can be changed
07:36<bremner>ok, feel free to ignore us. You will find that makes us more helpful :)
07:36<eXo>jm_ it is a pci raid card and i didnt see it detected, i wouldn't know how either
07:36<eXo>pci-e sorry
07:36<jm_>eXo: what's its PCI ID? lspci -nn
07:37<eXo>02:00.0 RAID bus controller [0104]: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC42819 [FastTrak TX2650/TX4650] [105a:3f20]
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07:39<jm_>judd pciid 105a:3f20
07:39<judd>jm_: [105a:3f20] is 'PDC42819 [FastTrak TX2650/TX4650]' from 'Promise Technology, Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'set(['ahci'])' in sid. See also
07:40<jm_>there you go, supported by ahci as it seems
07:40<jm_>and drivers/ata/ahci.c from 2.6.30 agrees
07:42<eXo>excusing my giant ignorance. this means i have to upgrade kernel or could i just "update" it?
07:42<eXo>as in only the ahci
07:42<jm_>yeah install newer kernel package
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07:43<eXo>thank you
07:44<jm_>no worries - you can find 2.6.30 for lenny on backports
07:45<eXo>i have squeeze, i suppose its possible too will have to investigate but the "backports" seems like the right keyword
07:45<eXo>thanks again
07:45<jm_>ahh no for squeeze it should be easy to get just the kernel from sid
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07:46<eXo>and keep the squeeze packages? i will investigate
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07:47<eXo>kapal: i use vmware server with debian host and windows guests bridged networking, working like a charm. Don't know what you want to know
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08:01<ans-tor>may it distribute debian/rules in literate programming like noweb?
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08:02<ans-tor>may i distribute debian/rules in literate programming like noweb?
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08:04<bremner>ans-tor: debian/rules must be a makefile, see debian policy section 4,9 (
08:04<bremner>ans-tor: assuming you mean for inclusion in debian. Otherwise you can distribute a x86 asm file for all anyone cares :)
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08:05<bremner>ans-tor: you may get more packaging help on #debian-mentors
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08:06<ans-tor>but if i could write the makefile as a bootstrap to run another rules written in noweb ?
08:07<bremner>ans-tor: yes by policy, convincing someone to upload your package is a different question
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08:08<bremner>unless your package is extremely weird, a debhelper 7 rules file is about 5 lines including overriding one of the targets. noweb seems overkill
08:08<ans-tor>in fact, the noweb file may eventually generate the debian/rules makefile
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08:10<bremner>ans-tor: there is also the question of is the package maintainable by other people.
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08:11<bremner>ans-tor: why do you think you need such non-standard technology?
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08:12<ans-tor>one goal of literate programming is to improve maintainability
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08:12<ans-tor>could debian/rules be run using non-gnu make?
08:13<bremner>ans-tor: afaik, you can rely on gnu-make features
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08:13<ans-tor>gnu make features is standard or not?
08:14<newbie900>got a very newbie question, and cant seem to find a straight answer for yet... i've installed 2 programs using xynoptic, tor and privoxy, and they now work. but they dont automatically start when i turn on the system.. how do i get it to do so?
08:14<newbie900>that i synoptic, not xynoptic
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08:14<newbie900>grr keyboard...
08:15<jm_>newbie900: are you using debian?
08:15<ans-tor>tor and privoxy not start?
08:16<newbie900>i believe so, whatever comes default on the ASUS EeePC series 900 preinstalled with linux
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08:16<newbie900>which it has a lot of debian refrences to
08:16<jm_>newbie900: run lsb_release -a
08:16<bremner>ans-tor: there is no standard for make. You can read the gnu make docs to see how it differs from otherversions; there is a chapter in the manual
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08:16<newbie900>ans-tor, neither started automatically, i started them manually
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08:18<newbie900>asus changed the base install, and i guess they took out the lsb_release command
08:18<jm_>cat /etc/debian_version
08:19<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support will continue until about February 2010; now is the time to start planning your upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Also ask me about <oldstable>, <oldstable security>, <install etch>, <etch release notes>. Currently <4.0r8>.
08:20<jm_>check if you have symlinks for startup - find /etc/rc*|egrep 'tor|privoxy'
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08:22<ans-tor>if some logo/images distributed as gpl in debian, is generated using gimp, should the source file of the logo be also distributed?
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08:22<newbie900>well,, the output makes me believe they exist... but they still dont start automatically...
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08:23<ans-tor>newbie900: can you show the output?
08:23<gsimmons>newbie900: Xandros is pre-installed on Linux Eee PC models. This isn't supported here.
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08:25<jm_>gsimmons: do you know if they keep /etc/debian_version in xandros?
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08:27<zobel>jm_: IIRC they do
08:27<gsimmons>jm_: No idea, but it would appear they do.
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08:28<newbie900>ans-tor did you get that?
08:29<ans-tor>newbie900: yes
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08:30<newbie900>gimmons then where would it be supported?
08:30<ans-tor>newbie900: you may need to boot in single user mode, and try start each service manually, to see if the tor/privoxy could be started or not
08:31<newbie900>well, i can manually start each service. they work
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08:32<ans-tor>newbie900: i mean, trying it from a new reboot in single user mode
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08:32<marcel>good day =)
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08:32<newbie900>ans-tor, oh, ok. never done it before, i'm looking up how to do it...
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08:34<urbinek_work>what is name of dummy package with linux kernel headers ?
08:35<eXo>Should I asume that for Squeeze I have to compile a 2.6.30 Kernel rather than finding it through backports (which i havent)?
08:35<koollman>urbinek_work: linux-headers
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08:35<kapal_>urbinek_work: try using apt-cache search keyword next time...
08:35<eXo>linux-headers-`uname -r`
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08:36<ans-tor>debbugs reporting system has a very high learning curve.
08:36<eXo>and yes, the search feature of aptitude is great :)
08:36<ans-tor>why not have some web interface to help generating the report?
08:36<urbinek_work>i wanna it to auto upgrade, so linux-headers-`uname -r` won't work
08:37<urbinek_work>i wanna dummy package
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08:37<ans-tor>why not have some web interface to help controlling the debbugs?
08:37<handjob>Hi. How can i check version / description of installed package using 'apt' or 'dpkg' (my .../apt/archives is empty so i guess dpkg -I wont do)/
08:37<jm_>eXo: you should be able to use packages form sid, but of course compiling your own is an option
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08:37<jm_>handjob: dpkg -l packagename
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08:37<gsimmons>newbie900: Try #eeepc on There does not appear to be a #xandros anymore.
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08:38<handjob>jm_, thank you.
08:38<bremner>ans-tor: there is "bts"
08:38<jm_>handjob: description - apt-cahce show pkgname
08:38<marcel>handjob: aptitude show packagename
08:38<handjob>marcel, Thanks.
08:38<ans-tor>the web may generate the control command, then the user just copy and paste into his email client
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08:39<jm_>urbinek_work: linux-headers-2.6-686 for example - depends on your particualr linux-image package installed
08:41<ans-tor>bremner: it's too cumbersome to write bug control command manually.
08:41<urbinek_work>jm_: thx, works
08:42<newbie900>gsimmons thanks, ill check them out after checking out ans-tor's suggestion...
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09:04<handjob>I have a problem adding repositories : thou 'gpg --keyserver --recv-keys' and 'gpg --armor --export' seems go just find 'apt-get update' is still whining about key. Any suggestions?
09:05<jackyf>handjob: man apt-key
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09:08<marcel>handjob: key for backports?
09:09<handjob>marcel, no. media.
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09:09<handjob>marcel, "deb lenny main "
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09:10<marcel>handjob: aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update
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09:10<handjob>marcel, Hope it works. Thank you.
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09:11<eXo>thank your for your help, bye
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09:12<handjob>marcel, Well everything seems fine to the point whare it asks to confirm the download then i get errors.
09:12<marcel>handjob: define 'errors'
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09:13<handjob>marcel, Give me a secound i need to translate it to english.
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09:13<marcel>handjob: nps, you could use if there are multiple lines of output
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09:14<handjob>marcel, but i asume you don't speak polish?
09:14<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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09:15<marcel>handjob: no, you could try #debian-pl
09:15<handjob>But i like it better in here ; (.
09:15<marcel>hehe then you should translate it =)
09:15<handjob>Ok nevermind. Thanks for the support.
09:15<marcel>no problem
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09:16<bremner>ans-tor: what bug control commands do you want to write?
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09:17<themill>dpkg: tell handjob about localised errors
09:18<handjob>Ok it's all good now.
09:18<marcel>handjob: good
09:18<handjob>The 'apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring' did the trick.
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09:18<marcel>handjob: =)
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09:20<ans-tor>bremner: retitle, version, unarchive, reopen, ...
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09:21<bremner>ans-tor: no disrespect, but are you sure you should do those things if bts is too hard to use?
09:21<handjob>One more thing : would you suggest installing 'flashplugin-nonfree' or 'flashplayer-mozilla' (i am using iceweasel)?
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09:22<bremner>ans-tor: anyway, there is a soap interface that bts uses, so writing a web front end should be possible. Apparently not a priority...
09:22<marcel>handjob: im using flashplugin-nonfree with iceweasel on my debian lenny amd64 installation
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09:22<marcel>handjob: i believe flashplayer-mozilla did not work for ME.
09:22<Zathraz>you can also consider gnash
09:22<handjob>marcel, Ok so non-free it is.
09:23<marcel>handjob: but consider the 'non-free' part ;x
09:23<handjob>marcel, ; P
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09:24<themill>handjob: they're basically the same thing -- they both install the non-free Adobe Flash
09:24<handjob>Zathraz, I recolect that some time ago i had some problems with gnash. Is it stable / as fast as non-free?
09:24<handjob>themill, Ah thx.
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09:24<Dunge>Hey there, anyone can help me cross-compilling my application for eabi? More details there:
09:24<ans-tor>bremner: the current bug system discourage non-maintainer to involve
09:24<marcel>themill: thats weird. i wonder why flashplayer-mozilla diddnt seem to work for me a while back.
09:24<ans-tor>it also discourage the new maintainer to participate
09:25<bremner>ans-tor: yeah, I know what you mean a bit, but I think for new maintainers, you just have to learn a bit
09:25<marcel>ans-tor: new maintairs have to be willing to learn i quess ;
09:26<stew>ans-tor: how does it discourage?
09:26<ans-tor>marcel: launchpad is more encourage the new maintainer
09:26<bremner>ans-tor: the flip side is that many developers loathe the current web interfaces launchpad, etc...
09:26<Zathraz>handjob, gnash is under heavy development
09:26<ans-tor>learning curve is low in lp
09:26<marcel>ans-tor: i think thats why most new linux users use ubuntu. and later switch to the more mature os imho ;x
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09:27<bremner>ans-tor: like I said launchpad and debbugs are optimized for different user groups.
09:27<stew>marcel: you really think that the reason ubuntu is popular is launchpad? i doubt that very much
09:27<marcel>Zathraz: any idea if gnash is/will be available for 64 bit?
09:27<marcel>stew: i did not say that
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09:27<stew>marcel: its been available for years in 64 bit
09:27<stew>marcel: you did say that
09:28<Zathraz>marcel, yes it is
09:28<marcel>stew: thats cool. i just switched to 64 bit today
09:28<ans-tor>bremner: debbug can add just web frontend, so it can serve different user groups
09:28<marcel>stew: well *if* i said that. i did not mean it like that.
09:28<Zathraz>however gnash can be a cpu-hog and does not do all flash
09:28<bremner>ans-tor: feel free to write one. Everybody has different priorities.
09:28<stew>ans-tor: debbugs has a web frontend now
09:29<Zathraz>then again player 10.2 by Adobe sucks even more on the subject of resources
09:29<bremner>stew: it is more or less read-only, right?
09:29<stew>bremner: if he means a web frontend for submission, there is no reason for him to waste his time writing one
09:29<stew>bremner: that's not desired
09:29<stew>bremner: yes, its readonly, by design
09:29<Zathraz>player 10.2 makes browsing very bad on my lenny 64bit system
09:29<bremner>stew: more for control than submission
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09:30<allure>How can I get the absolute path of files with ls or find?
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09:30<stew>allure: ls /path/to/directory ; or find /path/to/directory
09:31<allure>that won't give me the absolute path of the file
09:31<stew>allure: oh, the find version will
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09:31<allure>hmmm true
09:31<stew>allure: if you give it an absolute path as the first argument
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09:31<allure>ls wont but find will
09:31<allure>thanks stew
09:32<ans-tor>bremner: though i have learn the debbug command, however, i still more comfortable with launchpad
09:32<ans-tor>though i have learned the debbug command, however, i still feel more comfortable with launchpad
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09:33<ans-tor>some old maintainers may prefer launchpad interface
09:34*themill loathes launchpad
09:34*bremner was so scarred by using bugzilla, he loathes all web applications
09:34<themill>oh yes
09:35<ans-tor>it will be good, if launchpad is merged with debbug
09:35<bremner>ans-tor: I guess you won't get much of a positive response.
09:35<ans-tor>if launchpad interface is merged with debbug
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09:36<Bolle1961>pink_aj stop contacting me, go fuck a goat
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09:37<bremner>ans-tor: well, it won't happen by talking about it on IRC. Start investigating what the real issues are and then you can make a serious proposal.
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09:38<ans-tor>even the experience maintainer, when he leave for a long time, he may forget the debbug command, and have to relearn it again and again
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09:38<marcel>ans-tor: doubt it :x
09:38*bremner has said all he is going to say on this topic
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09:46<handjob>So everyting works fine with flash (if you define 'fine' as 100% cpu use but i got used to) still some sites work (youtube) and others not nesiserily -> Any idea how to fix it?
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09:47<brother->kinda amusing with a screenshot of a screenshot
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09:51<ml|>handjob: what are you using for flash?
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09:51<handjob>ml|, iceweasel
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09:52<ml|>no that's your browser, like gnash, swfdec, or adobe?
09:53<ans-tor>why someone said, he feel fedora is more innovate than debian/ubuntu?
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09:53<Vroomfondle>surely you should ask him, not us
09:53<ans-tor>he said, packagekit is very innovate
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09:55<ans-tor>how do you think about this? is that true?
09:55<ml|>!start a distro war
09:55<dpkg>Debian Rulz
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09:59<handjob>ml|, ^^ adobe.
09:59<handjob>Fedora was so innovate that it could not install no my box.
10:00<ml|>hmm, dunno i use it from dmm and works fine here
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10:01<handjob>ml|, Have you cheacked the same site that was in my screenshot?
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10:02<ml|>is that, the only one you have installed to handle flash?
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10:03<ml|>if no try ... update-alternatives --config and select adobe
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10:03<handjob>ml|, Thanks i will try that!
10:03*drakeman good morning!
10:03<handjob>Morning Sir.
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10:09<handjob>What do you think about Stallman's behaviour ? ===>
10:10<jthomas_sb_>gross but whatever, it doesn't change his brilliance nor his contributions to the FOSS community which he started :)
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10:13<Slurb>i bet that its toenails
10:13<handjob>jthomas_sb_, Yea i share your opinion. He would be 'the man' even as a convicted pedophile yet i was like '0_o' watching the video.
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10:13<Slurb>lots of people chew on their toenails i think
10:14<Slurb>gross habit though
10:14*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
10:15*bremner was just thinking the offtopic police must be tired from debconf :)
10:15<handjob>Slurb, I assume it was 'old tissue' and it's only gross in public but you got to think 'ah fuck it all' to pull that kind of thing.
10:15<handjob>Ah ok
10:15<handjob>for 'off'
10:15<jthomas_sb_>"lots of people chew on their toenails" -- in public tho? Computer geeks tend to be a bit less socially saavy, so goes the stereotype, and RMS isn't helping that image :)
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10:17<handjob>I've got Stallman's foot fetish. Anyone wants to trade photos? AFK.
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10:17<n3lab>does anyboy use vsftp?
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10:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
10:18<Freddy>ask! install freenx or nx on debian server
10:18<n3lab>i can't change chmod rules to files from vtp client
10:18<Slurb>you guys dont get it...its a nervous habit...he probably wasnt even aware he did it. my mothers x used to pull out his hair and eat it without even knowing he was doing it. my mother started hitting him when he would do it. made him aware, and he quit
10:18<n3lab>ftp client
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10:19<n3lab>but chmod_enable=YES
10:19<marcel>Slurb: lol
10:20<n3lab>so can anybody help?
10:21<bja>Freddy: your choice both work fine
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10:21<ml|>n3lab: please read what dpkg said
10:22<marcel>n3lab: does the user that connects to youre vtp deamon have al rights of the files/dirs?
10:22<Slurb>!freenx or nx
10:22<n3lab>marcel, yap
10:22<Zathraz>I have 2 PC 91 etch 1/2 the other Lenny) with swraid/lvm both with 2 disks RAID1. I moved one set of disks and connected them to the other PC (lenny). When booted I was booting from the Lenny swraid (sdc and sdd) which is ok. However a mdadm --details --scan does not show the second raidset while disk -l show sda and sdbb as being raid autodetect drives. What am I doing wrong?
10:22<n3lab>i do him chown
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10:22<n3lab>can i give my conf so somebody?
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10:23<ml|>dpkg: tell n3lab about pastebin
10:23<n3lab>ok i ll paste
10:23<n3lab>wait plz
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10:23<vvas>man, the relics i sometimes find on my computer...
10:23<marcel>Freddy: first google hit
10:23<vvas>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8192 1999-12-30 10:21 /usr/share/man/
10:24<n3lab>this is my conf
10:24<ml|>vvas: haha
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10:24<n3lab>and whis him i can't change chmod rulles ftom ftp client
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10:26<n3lab>so how can i fix this problem?
10:28<Freddy>marcel did google it it doesnt want to install, do i need to install kde or gnome first?
10:29<ans-tor><stew> bremner: yes, its readonly, by design <-- the web frontend can submit/modify by simply sending the email to debbug
10:30<Freddy>!ask how do i change source list
10:31<marcel>dpkg: tell Freddy sources.list
10:31<Zathraz>no one on my mdadm issue please?
10:31<marcel>dpkg: tell Freddy about sources.list
10:32<n3lab>so anybody can't help?
10:32<bremner>!tell n3lab about wait
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10:34<Slurb>new nvidia driver is out
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10:36<Zathraz>nm: mdadm --examine --scan seems to do the trick
10:36<gsimmons>n3lab: Try asking your question in #vsftpd on
10:37<n3lab>anned: You have a host listed in the Spamhaus XBL. For further information visit (2009/07/31 12.29) in freenode((
10:37<vvas>Slurb: cool, looks like a nice incremental bugfix release
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10:48<ans-tor>someone said, he try fedora 11, its desktop is very very than ubuntu 9.10, is that possible?
10:48<ans-tor>someone said, he try fedora 11, its desktop is very very faster than ubuntu 9.10, is that possible?
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10:48<cahoot>ans-tor: you don't feel a bit off topic?
10:48<ans-tor>it use the same source code, why it is very faster?
10:49<n3lab>they are idle
10:49<ans-tor>this mean that debian is likely to very slower than fedora?
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10:50*bremner begins to suspect ans-tor of being a troll
10:50<ans-tor>could anyone analyze this problem?
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10:51<n3lab>help me plz :)
10:51<lili_>I believe : The number of the process and the process`s ID number reflect the performance of the system>>>
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10:52<lili_>too much process and Big proess`s ID number usually means a bad load system...
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10:53<Ronin>I updated apache 2 (apt-get install apache2), but its broken now
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10:54<Ronin>when browsing to the webserver, it serves my index.php as application/x-httpd-php
10:54<Ronin> = /var/log/apt/term.log
10:55<ans-tor>lili_: you mean the different distro may have different size of process ID number?
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10:55<ans-tor>lili_: you mean the different distro may have different size of process ID number compiled in kernel?
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10:56<susi>has the debian build of irssi socks proxy support enabled by default?
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10:58<ans-tor>Ronin: Module php5 disabled. <--
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10:58<Ronin>sudo a2enmod php5 = module php5 already enabled
10:59<gsimmons>susi: No, see bug #518235 in the BTS.
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11:02<bja>susi: What do you want to achieve?
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11:02<lili_>ans-tor I wants to know how does the Process ID number been construct?
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11:03<ans-tor>Ronin: try downgrade, and compare the config?
11:03<ans-tor>Ronin: try downgrade, and check if it still working?
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11:08<stone_>im gettin errors on the install with a G3 (yea, its me again) I get the red screen, go do a pTTY, dpkg -C "The follow packages are unpack but not configured..bla blah blah" then 'The following packages are only half configured 'dbus, hal' and should be rerun with dpkg --configure <package>
11:08<Zathraz>I have 2 md0 arrays now. Naming one of them md1 in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf seems not the solution. Any thoughts please?
11:09<stone_>i do that with dbus, and i get 'the system user dbus already exists. exiting invoke -rc.d: initscript dbus, action start failed. dpkg error processing dbus (--configure)
11:09<stone_>sub process post-install script reurned error code 1
11:09<n3lab>coy to chahge owner of folder? i do chown vsftpd:nogroup /home/vsftpd/n3lab/
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11:09<n3lab>but it isn't help(
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11:21<stone_>as an FYI, I went to /var/lib/dpkg/info and deleted everything that had to do with the half-confugre packages, in my case, HAL and DBUS. i then ran an 'aptitude reinstall dbus' and then it took care of every else for me....rebooting now
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11:26<Freddy>nano /etc/apt/sources.list trying to runn that command but get error
11:26<stone_>are you root?
11:26<Freddy>-bash: nano: command not found
11:26<stone_>apt-get install pcio
11:27<stone_>pico sorry
11:27<stone_>or is it nano now?
11:27<Freddy>stone who u talkign to
11:27<stone_>sorry. nano used to be called pico.
11:28<marcel>Freddy: aptitude install nano
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11:29<themill>stone_: nano is a free clone of the non-free pico, not a renamed project
11:30<ml|>i wonder what is default editor installed, on a fresh install
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11:30<Freddy>what is commant to save the source list and exit out
11:31<stone_>ctrl+o, then ctrl+x
11:32<gsimmons>ml|: nano.
11:32<ml|>nope not vi
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11:32<stew>ml|: nano
11:32<ml|>gsimmons: nano .. Automatically installed: no
11:32<ml|>or stew
11:33<stew>ml|: right
11:33<stew>ml|: its installed by the installer
11:33<Freddy>its not exiting out
11:33<ml|>stew: got it thank you
11:33<Freddy>not exigin out of vim
11:34<stew>ml|: (automatically installed: no means that it wasn't installed as a result of you installing somehting and it being pulled in ss a dependency)
11:34<stone_>Freddy, :wq
11:34<stone_>for vim
11:34<stew>possibly after hitting escape
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11:35<stone_>thanks stew
11:35<Freddy>whre do i tyipe in :wq in the editor?
11:36<Freddy>when i type it puts it where i updated the info for source list
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11:36<marcel>Freddy: its not quiting because you prolly dont have the right to write the file.. are you root when edditing?
11:36<ml|>stew: ok that makes sense thought it meant not installed by the installer, someone here suggested that is what that meant
11:36<Freddy>yes i am root
11:37<Freddy>what area do itype it in?
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11:37<ml|>Freddy: hit esc and do :wq
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11:38<Freddy>ml :D thanks got it
11:38<stew>ml|: if you run "aptitude -F "%p %P" search '~Peditor'" you'll see that vim-tiny and nano are the two that are Priority: important, those are the ones that the installer would install. if you "update-alternatives --display editor" you'll see that nano has a higher priority than vim-tiny, so it will get the editor alternative when editor is set to auto (which any alternative is by default)
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11:41<ml|>stew: thanks, i see
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11:46<ml|>did change my auto to vim.gtk which would be the best alternative vim.tiny or vim.basic?
11:46<stew>.basic, probably, but I've not bothered to figure out how all of the vim variants differ
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11:47<ml|>yes, that's what i was thinking
11:47<stew>ml|: there is vim-full as well
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11:51<ml|>vim-full = vim no?
11:51<bremner>vim no = no vim = emacs
11:52<bja>vim-full == "This package is simply a trasitional package from vim-full to vim-gnome"
11:52<stew>vim-full appears to be vim-gnome
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11:55<ml|>hmm, i searched for vim-full and vim don't see vim-full anywhere, but thanks
11:55<stew>judd: versions vim-full
11:55<judd>stew: vim-full -- etch: 1:7.0-122+1etch5 etch-security: 1:7.0-122+1etch5 etch-backports: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2~bpo40+2 lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2 sid: 2:7.2.025-2 sid: 2:7.2.079-1
11:55<bja>ml|: sorry no squeeze :(
11:56<ml|>i do see vim-gnome
11:56<themill>vim-full isn't actually in sid either, despite what judd thinks
11:56<ml|>ah that makes sense
11:56<themill>dpkg, fix judd
11:56*dpkg takes judd to the vet for a "special" visit.
11:56<ml|>anyways thank you all :)
11:57<stew>i don't want to talk about how long it has been since i upgraded this desktop
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12:00*bja wonders about stew's abacus
12:00<stew>its multi-core
12:00<stew>but i meant from aptitude's perspective
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12:02<killbill9298>qualcuno mi può togliere un dubbio
12:02<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:02<Jason1>I am trying to clean out a program I installed in wine in my debian, how od I clean up the porgram icon that left over?
12:03<MyWifeIs19>look under ~/Desktop
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12:05<ans-tor>what's problem with libdvdcss to be included in debian?
12:05<Jason1>yeah but in the menu I still see the program is still there
12:05<dpkg>well, libdvdcss2 is a free software library for unscrambling CSS-encrypted DVDs which is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To get it, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or ask me about <>.
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12:08<ans-tor>themill: what legal concern? patent?
12:08<Jason1>Good question, yes., Copyright Act.
12:08<exo>Hello, I just put a Promise RAID controller (pci-e) to work with the help of newest kernel. I created a RAID 5 but "fdisk -l" reports the drives separately, don't know ho to tackle this
12:08<themill>ans-tor: and probably DMCA too.
12:09*bja runs to hide below his desk from DMCA
12:09*olasd shines a spotlight on bja
12:09*Jason1 joins with bja
12:09<olasd>... and Jason1
12:09<ans-tor>themill: why not placed in non-us?
12:09*Jason1 waves and ask what is DCMA?
12:10<bremner>ans-tor: non-us does not exist anymore, it was about crypto
12:10<dpkg>well, dmca is the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, a law adopted in some USA states, making shrinkwrap and clickwrap license agreements valid even if you don't sign or agree to anything., or that is the UCITA, not the DMCA, or bad people making bad laws to put good people in jail Its Fun to Be At The Deee Emmm Cee Ayyyyy....
12:10<MyWifeIs19>are there any deamon that monitors file modification and run a script, for example, I want to commit to subversion whenever .bashrc is changed...
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12:11<themill>MyWifeIs19: inotifywait uses the kernel's inotify interface for that
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12:17<Freddy>You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
12:17<Freddy>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
12:17<Freddy> nxclient: Depends: libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 but it is not going to be installed
12:17<Freddy> Depends: libaudiofile0 but it is not going to be installed
12:17<Freddy> vncserver: Depends: vnc-common (>= 3.3.6-1)
12:17<Freddy>E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
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12:17<ans-tor> <-- i see
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12:22<T_X>hi there, can somebody tell me, what has happened to 'motion'? I can't find it on debian testing anymore
12:23<bja>judd: versions motion
12:23<judd>bja: motion -- etch: 3.2.3-2.1 lenny: 3.2.9-7 sid: 3.2.11-1
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12:23<T_X>weird... 'sudo aptitude install motion' can't find it
12:24<valdyn>T_X: its obviously not in testing
12:24<T_X>ah, okay, thanks, hmm
12:24<bja>T_X: Check dependencies and if they match go for the sid package and isntall it with dpkg -i
12:25<valdyn>!why is motion not in testing
12:25<dpkg>motion is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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12:26<T_X>aiy, thanks. Guess I have to wait some more :)
12:27<ans-tor>but why mp3 decoder can be put in debian?
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12:29<valdyn>ans-tor: why wouldnt it?
12:29<MyWifeIs19>if my understanding is correct, a particular method of decoding mp3 is patented, so an alternative method can be used
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12:29<valdyn>*encoding* methods are patented
12:29<valdyn>*decoding* is free
12:29<MyWifeIs19>the same applies for encoding
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12:31<ans-tor>afk decoding is also patented
12:31<Slurb>afk although few know?
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12:33<bremner>ans-tor: check the archives of for relevant discussion
12:34<ans-tor>``Additionally, patent holders declined to enforce license fees on free and open source decoders, which allows many free MP3 decoders to develop.''
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12:51<stone_>if any one every asks...hey, can you put debian on my G3 or G4. tell them no. The bootloaders suck...8 out of the 10 cds i burned, ubuntu or debian (all at the slowest speed possible) failed. The recognition for the Rage 128s that come in these are horrible. Tell them to buy a cheap x86 machine on craigsist and go that route...G5s and Imacs might be easier, or even later G4s...but dont even bother with the G4 and grey/white g4...flam
12:51<stone_>e away...
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12:54<bremner>!win stone_
12:54<dpkg>Congratulations, stone_! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
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13:04<exo>RAID 5 volume getting reported as separate HDs by fdisk, the controllers is a pci-e sata promise, could anyone guide me? thank you
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13:09<bremner>!promise raid
13:09<dpkg>promise raid is probably annoying to get working in debian; some fine gentleman made a howto for potato: and another equally fine gent made one for woody:
13:09<bremner>hmm, looks old
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13:14<marcel>!old ;x
13:17<exo>well i upgraded the kernel because it had suppport for the chip, and so it now recognizes some disks, but not the drive...
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13:28<enouf>exo: s/drive/raid volume/ ?
13:29<enouf>exo: you need dmraid support, most likely
13:29<exo>the raid is taken care by the promise card, or so i believe
13:29<enouf>exo: debian kernel's have (some/all? of) it built into the initrd
13:30<enouf>then i misunderstand
13:30<exo>debian is already installed on an md0 device
13:30<exo>thanks :)
13:31<enouf>are the HDDs that are on the Promise card, the ones that house the md0?
13:33<exo>2 pata drives using the boards controller for the system
13:33<exo>and then 4 satas connected to the promise card supposedly in a raid 5 created in the cards bios
13:34<exo>btw: just got my response from Promise telling me to use redhat or stop being a linux ignorant
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13:34<n3lab>any vsfpd users here?
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13:35<enouf>exo: wow - how silly
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13:36<enouf>exo: but did it ever work right? are you installing Debian? just pass "dmraid=true" IIRC
13:36<exo>i suppose they are right, i really only know hot to toy around with tutorials
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13:38<exo>enouf: dmraid is working fine, as the squeeze is installed on a md0 device made with 2 pata drives hooked to the board
13:38<enouf>exo: your PATA/mdadm drives don't need any dmraid
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13:38<exo>aha, excuse my frech :)
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13:39<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
13:39<exo>so i need dmraid to controll this raid? not the card taking care of it?
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13:39<valdyn>exo: do we know your card?
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13:40<enouf>exo: Linux needs to use dmraid for most Promise Cards
13:40<exo> FastTrak TX4650
13:40<enouf>exo: Windows uses it's own crap
13:40<valdyn>I think thats some hardware raid card
13:40<exo>it is a hardware card, and apparently ahci on 2.6.30 supports it
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13:41<exo>sorry im so confused :)
13:41<Quaoar>sometimes boot stops at Activating swap...
13:41<valdyn>exo: if it is a hardware raid card then your linux will see whatever you configure that card to
13:41<Quaoar>any idea?
13:41<enouf>A. TX4 has "RAID5 accelerator" features, but is not full and true hardware RAID. TX4 can offload RAID5 XOR calculations, but typically the host CPU is much faster. Therefore, Linux does not use the RAID5 features of this card.
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13:42<valdyn>quite expensive for the trash it is
13:42<exo>indeed i just paid 90€ for nothing
13:43<valdyn>considering i can get a 10port mainboard for less
13:43<exo>the prize of ignorance
13:43<exo>so, i should google dmraid?
13:43<valdyn>exo: no!
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13:44<valdyn>exo: you should try to avoid dmraid
13:44<enouf>exo: just use mdadm
13:44<valdyn>exo: if you need to read the raid from windows, then you need to use dmraid, otherwise you should use mdadm, its superior
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13:45<enouf>dmraid would work if you also were going to use that same RAID for a windows boot, IINM
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13:46<exo>so i guess the question would be, am i better off hooking the drives directly into the motherboard's sata ports?
13:47<enouf>haha @ "Promise offers a "ftsata2" proprietary driver (open-source wrapper around a binary-only, proprietary core library). Warning: Correspondent Andreas Thienemann warns that this driver works on Linux 2.4.x kernels only, and cannot be built to function on 2.6.x because it uses deprecated interfaces and references missing headers."
13:47<valdyn>exo: that should not make a difference
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13:48<exo>thanks a lot guys
13:48<enouf>exo: then it's just a different controller, use whichever bus is fastest ;-)
13:48<valdyn>a single pcie lane is fast enough anyway
13:49<enouf>exo: if your promise card hooks into a PCIe slot, then it's likely better there
13:49<valdyn>and the onboard stuff should be pcie too
13:49<exo>i'll just leave it the way it is and construct myself another md device
13:49<enouf>sata, generally is not pcie
13:49<valdyn>enouf: umm
13:49<enouf>it's stillSB, even though it's off the PCI bus
13:49<valdyn>enouf: what would it be if its not pcie?
13:50<enouf>valdyn: SB == SouthBridge
13:50<exo>so i gathered
13:50<valdyn>enouf: thats not a bus
13:50<enouf>the PCIe is directly hooked into NB
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13:50<enouf>i understand, and neither is PCIe
13:50<valdyn>yea ok
13:50<enouf>PCIe is an interface, a LVDS one
13:51<valdyn>still doesnt make a difference practically
13:51<enouf>i concur, for the most part
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13:51<mick_>hey up dave
13:51<dave>oooiii mick hows u me old tater
13:51<mick_>lol sound
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13:52<Guest132>any hackers on hear
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13:52<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, hacker is someone that hacks. see hacking. or an interesting essay can be found at Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiosity.
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13:52<ewgeny>does anybody know where in dreambox 500 start script?
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13:53<Guest132>lol i havnt set my name on irc
13:53<enouf>valdyn: there's some issues i have with hidden specs (the SATA consortium thingy) whereas PCIe is well documented - that's my story, and i'm stickin to it :-P
13:53<Guest132>hey mick u no any hackin apps
13:53<mick_>i dont do that soz
13:54<Guest132>lol other mick
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13:55<Guest132>mick what did u use to hack nasa
13:55<mick_>ur pc lol
13:55<Guest132>lol i no but what app
13:56<mick_>that would b tellin
13:56<Guest132>lol comon wear family
13:56<exo>guys, sorry final question: what happens with what i set in the bios of the board? if im using mdadm, does it matter or should i leave the array uncreated?
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13:57<enouf>exo: leave it off, or JBOD or whatever
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13:58<exo>i feel safer with off, thanks so much
13:58<mick_>aireplay is gud
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13:59<mick_>thats all u need
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14:21<mason_>how do i edit sources.list in the terminal? Command please?
14:21<Kortatu>sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
14:22<Kortatu>but you should have the root pass
14:23<mason_>okay thank you Kortatu
14:24<Kortatu>with sudo you shoudn't have the root pass, only root access
14:24<Kortatu>for your user in sudoers file
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14:27<mason_>how do i save it?
14:28<Slurb>cntrl o
14:28<exo>:wq using vi
14:28<Slurb>mason_: cntrl o
14:28<Slurb>then enter
14:29<Slurb>then cntrl x to exit
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14:40<chris__>can someone point me to documentation on how to build/maintain custom debs?
14:40<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (, Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>.
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14:42<skainz>hiho, greeting from the train, just arrived in Vienna togther with Rhonda & DelySid.
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14:57<Guest136>hi all iv just installed backtrack 4 to my hdd but am having problems installing flash player any ideas
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14:57<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), formerly <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #remote-exploit on See also <based on debian>.
14:58<themill>Guest136: try #remote-exploit on
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14:58<Guest136>thanks the mill
14:58<Guest136>the new backtrack is based on ubuntu
14:59<themill>Guest136: yes, that's what dpkg just said. It's also not debian so we're not really able to help you with that sort of thing.
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15:04<oscafue>equipo 5
15:04<Raccoon>How do I set a preferred display mode so I can use my real 1650x1080 resolution. Right now it says that's not a supported size.
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15:20<shaddow>Ist das hier ne reine englischsprachige Gruppe, oder gibt es auch Deutsche?
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15:20<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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15:21<exo>shaddow: maybe here
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15:34<exo>big dmb question but what is the way of partitoning an md device to ext3?
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15:55<n3lab>where are vsftp users?)
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16:19<Guest146>hi all im having problems installing flash player it just wont install any ideas
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16:20<Torsten_W>"wont install" is not an error message
16:21<Guest146>i dont get an error message it just wont install
16:21<Torsten_W>apt does never say "it wont install"
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16:22<Guest146>what im saying is that it wont install i never said i had an error msg sayin wont install
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16:22<CutMeOwnThroat>that's your mistake
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16:23<Guest146>whys that then
16:23<CutMeOwnThroat>at this point we can only advise you to cry a bit... perhaps you'll feel better about the whole matter then
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16:23<CutMeOwnThroat>!smart questions
16:23<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
16:23<Guest146>oh thanks il take that advise and stick it up ur ass
16:24<CutMeOwnThroat>that's a sure way to get help
16:24<CutMeOwnThroat>have fun
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16:24<CutMeOwnThroat>actually the ask factoid is better
16:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
16:24<CutMeOwnThroat>but I kind of lost interest
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16:38<craigevil>wow its not like doing apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree or apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla is difficult, any google search would return that
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16:42<ml|>heh, nice way to get help
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16:46<CutMeOwnThroat>perhaps he did that... he didn't really say anything about what he did
16:47<bja>You didn't help either
16:47<craigevil>chances are he downloaded the ubuntu.deb from adobe, which will give him lots of fun errors
16:48<CutMeOwnThroat>or he prayed to the great god OM to grant him an adobe flashplayer
16:48<CutMeOwnThroat>but OM smote him mightily
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16:51<jtimberman>Is there a specific channel for Debian packaging?
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16:52<CutMeOwnThroat>#debian-mentors, possibly
16:52<jtimberman>thanks, must have missed that in the list.
16:53<ml|>is there a #debian-mentors here?
16:53<CutMeOwnThroat>guess here is ok, too... if someone knows the answer, that is :)
16:53<ml|>yes there is :)
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16:56<ComradeHaz>Hi all, having some problems with dbus, wich I think stem from dependency issues. I know a friend of mine suffered simlar issues a couple of weeks ago or so. Is this a known issue anyone can help with?
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16:57<wekt>ComradeHaz: i haven't heard from your friend, so tell the story.
16:58<ml|>ComradeHaz: you can also check bts
16:58<ComradeHaz>hehe, I know not the full story, only my problems. We've both been busy, so not really discussed it with him, though I kow he fixed i.
16:59<ComradeHaz>essentially, though, I cannot log into kde anymore ad that has been now diagnosed as a probably issue caused by dbus. This stacks up as when I try to do a full-upgrade I get the following from aptitude:
16:59<ComradeHaz>Setting up dbus (1.2.16-1) ...
16:59<ComradeHaz>chown: cannot access `/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper': No such file or directory
17:00<ComradeHaz>as a result of that, pretty much allupgrades fail.
17:00<wekt>ComradeHaz: which release? I have to double agree with ml| as a general strategy.
17:00<ComradeHaz>sorry, what's bts?
17:00<wekt>ComradeHaz: i have not encountered this problem.
17:00<ComradeHaz>and that's unstable
17:00<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
17:00<ml|>can also try asking in #debian-kde
17:00<ComradeHaz>oh, lol, oc
17:00<wekt>ComradeHaz: try downgrading.
17:01<wekt>or re-grading. to testing.
17:01<ComradeHaz>I did, they pinned the prob to dbus so I guess rightly washed their hands of it.
17:01<ComradeHaz>rather make that a last resort wekt
17:02<wekt>ComradeHaz: is your whole install based on unstable?
17:02<ComradeHaz>well, if it's not a trivial known issue I'll poke my friend tomorrow.
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17:02<CutMeOwnThroat>!btssmite ComradeHaz
17:02*dpkg beats ComradeHaz around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if ComradeHaz is running testing or unstable
17:02<ComradeHaz>wekt, yes
17:02<wekt>ComradeHaz: I am based on testing with KDE packages from experimental. it works well. The KDE packages of KDE4 have been so unstable, that it has proven more reliable to install them from experimental when possible.
17:04<ComradeHaz>hehe, wekt, yeah, the kde4 stuff has been a little dissapointing in some respects, though I tried putting kubuntu on my girlfriends laptop - that made me feel far more happy with Debian :D
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17:05<ComradeHaz>hmmm, infact, she calls. It is probably worth my while postponing plans to fix my box ;)
17:05<ml|>ComradeHaz: just so you know, unstable is not really supported here, but does not hurt to ask ;)
17:05<ComradeHaz>rigty ho!
17:06<wekt>I base most things in testing, if it breaks then check: apt-cache policy for newer versions in other releases. Then you can test whether it is fixed in a later release. If not fixed, check for a bug report. if not reported, file one.
17:06<ComradeHaz>aye, wekt, makes sense
17:07<ComradeHaz>but frankly I find problems so infrequently in unstable downgrading's not been worth my while
17:07<ComradeHaz>anyway. Bed :D
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17:08<ml|>apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges are helpful, also apt-show-versions if using apps from diferent realeses
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17:09<diegotiller>e ai galera
17:09<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:10<bittin>Hello what backports kernel do you reccomend for an eeepc?
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17:11<diegotiller>como entro no irc br?????
17:11<ml|> /j #debian-br
17:12<diegotiller>obrigado gracias
17:12<ml|>bittin: there is an #debian-eeepc
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17:13<streuner__>but its OFTC...
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17:13<bittin>iam on oftc also
17:13<streuner>ah, ok
17:13<CutMeOwnThroat>bittin, .... hmm, not so much there, though
17:14<CutMeOwnThroat>there's a 2.6.30 kernel in bpo already, if you need 'new'
17:14<bittin>i remember somone reccomended me a backports kernel but not who
17:14<bittin>it was 2.6.30
17:14<bittin>what is the package new?
17:14<diegotiller>backtrack 4???
17:14<ml|>judd: kernels
17:14<CutMeOwnThroat>I just meant 'new' as in new...
17:14<judd>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc4-686 (2.6.31~rc4-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14041); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-4); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-3~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch2); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
17:15<diegotiller>irc backtrack 4?
17:15<diegotiller>xchat backtrack 4?
17:15<bittin>yea it was 2.6.30-bpo.1
17:15<bittin>what is the full package name?
17:15<bittin>no i had 2.6.29-backports.2-686
17:16<bittin>but i bet .30 is also fine
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17:18<bittin>installing linux-headers-2.6.30-bpo.1-686 now
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17:19<diegotiller>not speak English will be someone who can tell me if there is a chat-au backtrack the case if there is one that serves for my situation?
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17:20<diegotiller>not speak English will be someone who can tell me if there is a chat-au backtrack the case if there is one that serves for my situation?
17:20<diegotiller>not speak English will be someone who can tell me if there is a chat-au backtrack the case if there is one that serves for my situation?
17:20<diegotiller>not speak English will be someone who can tell me if there is a chat-au backtrack the case if there is one that serves for my situation?
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17:34<ml|>bittin: lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686
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17:34<bittin>ml|: yes but what are all the package i need?
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17:34<bittin>i got the headers and docs
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17:36<ml|>should be linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686
17:36<bittin>thx )(
17:36<bittin>sorry i havent switched keyboardmap to se yet
17:36<bittin>as iam swedish
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18:01<cobra>oh yeah ...KDE 3.5 rox man
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18:13<mick>does any 1 no how get sound on with bt4
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18:17<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), formerly <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #remote-exploit on See also <based on debian>.
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18:17<themill>long gone
18:18<craigevil>damn thats one thing that having join/part not shown does
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18:24<Guest154>i cant mount my drives :(( can i ??? ( in konq , nautilus said permission not granted )
18:26<Guest154>any help will be apreciataed :D
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18:38<edbian>I have enabled the debian backports repo. What is the difference between the package "flashplayer-mozilla" in the main repos and "flashplugin-nonfree" in the backport repo? I think that they are both flash player 10.
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18:40<edbian>ok: new question
18:40<vvas>the former contains the actual plugin (and it comes from debian-multimedia, not from the main archive), the latter is simply an installer package
18:40<vvas>functionally they are the same
18:40<craigevil>flashplayer-mozilla isnt in "official" debian repos, its from, they both download adobe flash
18:41<edbian>vvas: Oop! Spoke to soon! :)
18:41<edbian>ok thank you!
18:41<craigevil>but somehow there is a difference flashplayer-mozilla works fine in fullscreen
18:42<vvas>craigevil: so does flashplugin-nonfree actually
18:42<edbian>I use flashplayer-mozilla and I con confirm that it does indeed work in fullscreen mode
18:42<edbian>I 've never tried flashplugin-nonfree
18:42<vvas>edbian: it's worth waiting for a few minutes you know, not everyone is pegged at their monitors waiting to answer your questions ;^)
18:42<edbian>vvas: I figuered most of you guys were actually :)
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18:43<edbian>ha ha ha
18:43<edbian>Here is something else I'm curious about: How many people use debian testing vs. debian stable. Does anybody here use sid?
18:44<bittin>iam using stable
18:44<bittin>but with some testing packages
18:45<craigevil>sid is all i have ever ran
18:45<edbian>bittin: What do you use from testing?
18:45<vvas>i use unstable for all of my desktop/laptop computers
18:45<bittin>edbian: wicd and vlc only
18:45<vvas>i would use stable for a server, and testing for nothing at all really
18:45<edbian>vvas: So then you'd use stable for everything?
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18:45<vvas>can't you read?
18:45<edbian>craigevil: Is it stable? What kernel is sid on?
18:46<edbian>vvas: Ha ha, I was just confused lol
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18:46<craigevil>edbian: i have only had 2 issues in 5 yrs, once an update messed up sound when playing a dvd thats was fixed the next day, and the new xorg was a bit tricky
18:46<themill>bittin: btw wicd is on and vlc is backportable yourself.
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18:47<themill>edbian: I only ever run stable except just before release when my laptop usually starts running testing. I can't be bothered fixing little things all the time. /msg dpkg moving target
18:48<edbian>Seems dpkg is biased on the subject
18:49<edbian>I'm reading the testing and sid faq's right now.
18:49<edbian>Thanks for the help!
18:49<bittin>themill: not wicd 1.6 or vlc 1.0
18:49<vvas>themill: little things usually tend to fix themselves the next day ;^)
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18:50<vvas>but the best advice i can give to people that want to run unstable (as i do) is: don't upgrade too often
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18:51<vvas>if you upgrade every day, you get pretty much all the bugs (of the packages you use)
18:51<themill>vvas: not those sorts of little things, although they're annoying too. It's the $package has completely changed its config file format again sorts of problems
18:51<vvas>on the other hand, if you upgrade, say, every two weeks, you only get 1/14th of the bugs
18:52<vvas>themill: ah yeah, fair enough
18:52<themill>bittin: vlc 1.0 isn't in testing either
18:53<craigevil>was: i run apt-get dist-upgrade pretty much daily
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18:54<craigevil>probably helps that my install is 32bit and i dont use kde/gnome, apt-listbugs has saved my butt a few times
18:54<themill>See, I just run stable and then it doesn't need to be saved.
18:55<vvas>craigevil: (btw it's vvas, not was)
18:55<craigevil>ah no wonder tab complete wouldnt work :)
18:56<edbian>I thought that "apt-get dist-upgrade" was for going from debian 5 to debian 6 or (e.g. ubuntu 8.10 to 9.04)
18:56<edbian>Am I confused>
18:56<vvas>edbian: it is. it also works for more incremental upgrades.
18:57<edbian>vvas: What is an incremental upgrade? Is that different that "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" ?
18:57<themill>edbian: it's about telling the dependency resolver what it is allowed to try to do. /msg dpkg dist-upgrade
18:58<greg>hi. i'm having trouble getting past a kernel panic when trying to boot debian kernels 2.6.26-2-686 and 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 however a ubuntu kernel 2.6.15-52-686 is booting without error. the only messages i'm seeing are "modprobe failed to insert module... (lots of them) ; failed to mount rootfs ; kernel panic not syncing." that's from memory... so if it's not exact, then please forgive.
18:58<greg>would anyone care to assist with this ?
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19:00<vvas>sounds like initrd problems or something
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19:01<greg>vvas i agree
19:01<greg>i just don't know exactly what to look for
19:01<greg>it has baffeled me for several weeks now
19:03<greg>anyone have suggestions ?
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19:15<greg>guess not eeh
19:16<vvas>sorry, not much experience with initrds here
19:17<aliceinwire>who can upload my kanjisaver lintian clear?
19:17<vvas>greg: one idea might be to try recreating the initrds of those kernels when having booted with the ubuntu kernel
19:18<vvas>(using update-initramfs)
19:19<chealer>greg: you should try 2.6.18
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19:19<greg>vvas actually i have rebuilt both initramfs images several times no help. but thanks.
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19:20<themill>aliceinwire: you'll do better to send an email to the debian-mentors mailing list. Take a look at as a place to upload your package for others to look at it and it will give you a template that you can fill in to send to the mailing list. Remember that you have to sell your package to others... you have to make them care enough about it to want to look at it and perhaps upload it.
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19:26<cobra-the-joker>Hey guys ...when i am trying to compile stuff , i have to get some tools i think can i get them ??
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19:26<greg>aptitude install build-essential
19:26<greg>@ cobra-the-joker
19:27<dpkg><tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building.
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19:30<greg>so anyone want to just talk about my kernel panic(s) then, if no one can help, maybe someone will say something that will make me think of something i haven't thought of
19:32<amphi>greg: it might be useful to know what modules are failing to be modprobed
19:32<Tecna>I've been having video problems but I'm not sure what could be causing it... I have ye olde Geforce2, and some things keep freezing. For example, when I start playing embeded video in a web page, the whole browser visually freezes until I close the tab, while everything, including the audio in the clip continues playing..
19:32<chealer>greg: see above, try 2.6.18
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19:32<cobra-the-joker>checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
19:33<greg>amphi i just rebooted to a kernel panic to get a better idea. looks like all of them.
19:33<Tecna>My whole screen freezes when I activate the compiz zoom ability
19:33<chealer>cobra-the-joker: depends on the toold
19:33<amphi>cobra-the-joker: install the libx11 -dev package
19:33<amphi>cobra-the-joker: what are you building?
19:34<cobra-the-joker>amphi ...just a KDE theme :D
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19:35<amphi>greg: how disheartening
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19:35<greg>FATAL: Error inserting pt (/lib/modules/2.6.30-bpo.1-686/kernel/drivers/block/paride/pt.ko): No such device
19:35<greg>example ^
19:36<greg>i'm not sure why it's trying modules for things that don't exist on this system...
19:36<greg>quoting... mknod: /dev/sda: File exists
19:36<Tecna>I never had this problem with gentoo, ubuntu, arch, so I'm guessing it's a problem specific to debian
19:36<cobra-the-joker>amphi , same error :D
19:37<greg>mount: mounting /dev/sda on /root failed: Device or resource busy
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19:38<greg>/scripts/init-bottom/udev: line 24: nuke: Permission denied
19:39<greg>/init: exec: line 227: run-init: Permission denied
19:39<greg>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempting to kill init!
19:39<greg>those are the last lines ^
19:41<greg>hardware is toshiba satalite 135a
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19:43<greg>i get the same errors from kernels 2.6.26-1-686 2.6.26-2-686 2.6.30-bpo.1-686
19:44<greg>so i have been using a "ubuntu" kernel 2.6.15-52-686 but it doesn't support all my hardware
19:44<greg>like vidio and wifi
19:45<greg>so i really want to "some time in the next year" get a debian kernel booting
19:45<greg>and if any has a clue-by-four to whack me with .... :)
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19:48<amphi>greg: chealer suggested a debian kernel to try...
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19:48<greg>amphi which one ? other than the three "2.6.26-1-686 2.6.26-2-686 2.6.30-bpo.1-686" ?
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19:49<amphi>< chealer> greg: see above, try 2.6.18
19:50<amphi>I haven't seen such a problem
19:50<greg>amphi ah, but only kernels 2.6.21+ support my hardware :(
19:51<greg>or so i'm told anyway
19:51<greg>i will test a .18 i think i have that on disk here somewhere from etch installlllll
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19:52<ubuntu>how do i mount an lvm partition when im on a live cd?
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19:52<abrotman>ask #ubuntu on freenode
19:52<amphi>greg: perhaps and/or will have info of use
19:53<Guest160>abrotman, my lvm partition is a debian squeeze partition though
19:53<Guest160>well a set of partitions
19:53<Guest160>home partition and root partition
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19:54<chealer>greg: if only kernels 2.6.21+ would support your hardware, 2.6.15 wouldn't boot
19:56<greg>chealer umm that seems a bit imprecise. the 2.6.15 "DOES" boot but the wifi and the vidio is not supported. as well as the usb modem
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19:56<Guest160>greg, what are you running?
19:57<greg>Guest160 lenny
19:57<Guest160>the lenny kernel is 2.6.26, why do you have 2.6.15?
19:57<chealer>greg: so what, it's just for testing, the goal is to use a current kernel eventually
19:57<greg>Guest160 so i can boot
19:58<weasel>Guest160: active the lvm using vgchange?
19:58<weasel>then mount them?
19:58<Guest160>greg, do you know why? or are you asking about that? have you tried backporting a lenny kernel such as 2.6.29 or 2.6.30, you dont need a GUI to obtain them
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19:59<Guest160>weasel, i have no idea what to do, all i did was apt-get install lvm2 and there is no manual and there is no straightforward how-to on the internet that i could find
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20:01<weasel>sorry, I don't have the time to hold your hands
20:01<Guest160>weasel, isn't it just one simple command though?
20:01<Guest160>to mount all lvm partitions
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20:02<weasel>no. maybe.
20:02<bremner>Guest160: I think you need start by understanding a bit more about lvm, what is a physical volume, what is a logical volume
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20:03<ml|>dpkg: tell Guest160 about lvm
20:05<bremner>Guest160: here is a simple example script
20:06<Guest160>is candiru your user name?
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20:06<bremner>no, it is the name of the volume group. I suggest looking at the man page for the commands that don't make sense to you
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20:06<bremner>you can ignore the cryptsetup stuff if you have no encryption
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20:07<Guest160>bremner, "Found volume group "debian" using metadata type lvm2" - i have no complete drive encryption
20:07<Guest160>so i replace candiru with debian in my case?
20:09<bremner>I mean, you understand this just a script I have laying around, not a specific tutorial
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20:09<Guest160>bremner, well isn't that like a list of commands i can just put?
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20:09<greg>ok the .18 kernel drops me into a busybox shell. but i can't mount the rootfs for some reason from there. modprobe doesn't give any errors even when a bogus module is called... so no help there.
20:10<bremner>Guest160: it is an example to help you learn.
20:10<Guest160>well it seems to be that all i have to do is neglect cryptsetup luksOpen isn't it?
20:10<bremner>and mirrordir is my backup command
20:10<greg>i ran modprobe [scsi-mod,ext3] but mount says No such device or address
20:11<greg>so i'm at a loss
20:11<Guest160>so i remove the mirrordir line too then?
20:11<bremner>Guest160: you probably want to run lvscan after vgchange -a y debian
20:11<bremner>Guest160: yes, that has nothing to do with lvm
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20:11<bremner>Guest160: what are you trying to do exactly?
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20:13<gerardo>hi there. I need help installing some window manager at my debian installation
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20:13<gerardo>I already installed the minimal, without Desktop
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20:13<bremner>gerardo: what window manager do you want?
20:14<Guest160>bremner, i just want to mount my lvm partitions
20:14<gerardo>I don't know, I need some one light, because this computer just has 170Mb RAM
20:14<gerardo>and 4 GB from HD
20:15<bremner>gerardo: I'm not sure. icewm will probably work, but matchbox or openbox might be better. Maybe someone else has more recent experience
20:16<gerardo>I tried with icewm, but aparently I miss something because it doesn't start
20:17<gerardo>i just typed "apt-get install icewm
20:17<bremner>Guest160: you don't want that last &&
20:17<Guest160>bremner, ya i tried without it too
20:17<greg>hummm this is a long shot, but i think maybe i don't have udev installed... rebooting to see
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20:18<ml|>gerardo: that just installs it
20:18<bremner>Guest160: read you own paste
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20:19<bremner>it is telling you that you succeeded
20:19<bremner>!win Guest160
20:19<dpkg>Congratulations, Guest160! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia!
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20:20<bremner>weird, I am about 200km from Nova Scotia
20:20<greg>!win > me
20:20<dpkg>Congratulations, > me! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad!
20:21<greg>well it doesn't seem to be udev either. i'm completely out of ideas
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20:21<gerardo>Ok, then I have it, now, how can i start it, I mean, like the gdm or the entrance
20:21<gerardo>It doesn't work
20:21<Guest160>bremner, wait are you being sarcastic? cuz it sounds like it's mounted via terminal but i dont see the partitions graphically
20:22<greg>sudo /etc/init.d/?dm start
20:22<bremner>Guest160: gui=lose. Change to that directory in a terminal
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20:23<Guest160>bremner, o i found it graphically at /mnt/debian-home
20:23<ml|>gerardo: you need to read how you should start icewm, maybe exec icewm
20:23<bremner>!tell Agent_bob about ask
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20:23<Guest160>bremner, thanks! i now have access to my files!
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20:24<ml|>!beer bremner
20:24*dpkg pours a pint of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for bremner
20:25*Agent_bob is greg
20:25<Agent_bob>@ bremner
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20:26<gerardo>the message is: Can't Open screen: <none>. X must be run and $DISPLAY configured
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20:26<bremner>oh I see. well then, almost sorry about that :)
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20:27<Agent_bob>i have ran out of time and patients for now. i'll try again later.
20:27<ml|>gerardo: don't you have X installed
20:27<gerardo>Ok. i have to install it with aptitude?
20:27<Guest160>bremner, did i need lvm2 in order to do this or did i install that for no reason?
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20:28<bremner>Guest160: dpkg -L lvm2 | grep bin/
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20:28<ml|>gerardo: yes, xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg xorg that should be all you need
20:29<gerardo>ok. Thanks ml.
20:30<gerardo>then, the order should be: installing the xserver
20:30<gerardo>later the window manager?
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20:31<ml|>i don't think it matters, but yes or at same time
20:31<Guest160>bremner, those are tools to manipulate lvm partitions?
20:32<bremner>to manipulate lvm volumes yes, you should be able to spot a few of the commands you used
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20:33<gerardo>so, IceWM, and OpenBox are the lighter windows managers?
20:33<gerardo>what about Enlightenment?
20:33<Guest160>bremner, o so i would not be able to do the vgscan stuff if i hadn't install lvm2, right?
20:34<ml|>there are lighter, but might be harder for you to setup
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20:35<ml|>xmonad is really light wm, but you will need to do a bit of reading to setup, unless you haskell
20:37<ml|>dpkg: tell gerardo about xsession
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20:43<CutMeOwnThroat>gerardo, well, there's lwm and awem++
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20:44<CutMeOwnThroat>but openbox is kinda nice
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20:45<Guest166>hi im new 2 back track and can any 1 help me i cant get no sound at all
20:45<gerardo>ok. I Already installed the xserver
20:45<gerardo>and also, I started the session at IceWM
20:45<gsimmons>Guest166: BackTrack isn't supported here. Ask for assistance in #remote-exploit on
20:46<ml|>!win gerardo
20:46<dpkg>Congratulations, gerardo! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
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20:46<Guest166>ok thanx gsimmons
20:48<gerardo>Well, I really don't like too much. So, I guess OpenBox just is installed like: apt-get install openbox?
20:48<ml|>dpkg: tell gerardo why aptitude
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20:49<bremner>Guest160: yes
20:49<gerardo>ml, where appears the information you r sending me?
20:50<ml|>gerardo: aptitude install openbox and exec openboc should start it
20:50<ml|>gerardo: read msg from dpkg in a new window or tab in your irc client
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20:51<ml|>dpkg: tell gerardo about why aptitude
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20:53<gerardo>I'm using irssi, How can I change to anoter window?
20:53<ml|>gerardo: alt #
20:53<ml|>or esc
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20:54<ml|>gerardo: obmenu will help you setup openbox
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20:56<ml|>gerardo: also obconf and gtk-chtheme
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20:57*vook asks : Is it overly paranoid of me to create an account in my system named after my nick, give that user zero permissions, no write perms on their home directory, make their shell irssi and then su - <nick> each time I use IRC ?
20:57<ml|>np, visit the openbox wiki for more info on setting it up
20:57<ml|>dpkg: tell gerardo about openbox
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20:59<ml|>vook: i think so, but i have not reached that level of paranoia yet ;) just don't use irc as root
21:00<stan>I just did - had to exit out and relog back in. Not good!
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21:03<stan>I'm a new user and going through the book "Learning Debian". Just read how to connect to irc using ircII (from a shell). Pretty cool stuff!
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21:04<ml|>stan: reading the debian reference?
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21:04<stan>I started from the beginning of the book and I'm up to chapter 3
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21:06<ml|>stan: /msg dpkg grounding for more info if you want
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21:07<stan>not sure what you mean - like I said I'm a newbie
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21:08<ml|>stan: just type the above in your irc client, where you type and then look for a window or tab named dpkg
21:08<stan>got it
21:09<ml|>stan: also /msg dpkg irc /msg dpkg dpkgbot
21:10<DebianFan>i just install Debian Lenny on 1 of my old PC. everything is working fine so far. I like to know how would I setup Apache per user base. i.e. http://mynewdebian/~user1/
21:10<abrotman>DebianFan: look in /etc/apache2/mods-available/ and use the a2enmod program
21:11<DebianFan>kool. thx. AbrotMan.
21:11<DebianFan>is it a GUI or text editing involve for the a2enmod ?
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21:14<DebianFan>which package a2enmod in?
21:14<abrotman>if you installed apache .. should already be there
21:15<DebianFan>bash: a2enmod: command not found
21:16<abrotman>aptitude install apache2
21:16<DebianFan>oh. gotta b root
21:17<DebianFan>thank you very much! AbrotMan. It works now after enabling the userdir module. :)
21:18<bremner>is there some tool I can use to test the DirectFB setup on my laptop? qingy says it can't get the display resolution.
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21:20<bremner>oh, wait, libdirectfb-bin looks hopeful
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21:25<DebianFan>anyone setup wordpress on debian b4?
21:27<DebianFan>is MySQL part of Debian distro? can't seem 2 find it in Add/Remove Application
21:28<abrotman>DebianFan: aptitude install mysql-server wordpress ?
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21:30<loudergood>DebianFan: aptitude search is your friend
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21:30<DebianFan>thx. installing.. :) i guess i need 2 kno aptitude
21:30<loudergood>it is very powerful
21:30<DebianFan>i was using the GUI version of the "Add/Remove Application". COuld not find mysql in there.
21:31<loudergood>if you want to use the gui you might try synaptic
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21:32<DebianFan>I saw that in the menu but wasn't sure what it was...
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21:34<bremner>so I need some boot option to have /dev/fb/0 show up on my thinkpad X61s?
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21:39<jorge>ola a todos..
21:39<jorge>Cabmbio!!! estou fazendo um teste
21:39<jorge>alguém responde?
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21:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:41<edbian>I have a guest OS running in a virtual machine using virtual box is there some setting I must change to allow the VM to ping?
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21:41<abrotman>oh whoops
21:41<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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21:42<DebianFan>how do i start mysql server with the machine name instead of localhost ?
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21:50<jorge>Como faço pra acessar uma rede em lingua portuguesa?
21:51<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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21:54<tei>hi :)
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22:36<Mefached>When I'm doing an install of the Debian base system, will it automatically install GRUB? I'm quite satisfied with my current GRUB setup and can add Debian to the list.
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22:58<DebianFan>can i not change ownership of a file to some1 else? i got this error: chown: changing ownership of `tmp.txt': Operation not permitted
22:59<vvas>only root is allowed to do it
23:00<DebianFan>oh. even when the tmp.txt is my file?
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23:02<abrotman>still only root
23:02<DebianFan>interesting. thx.
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23:24<voipzapper>i know this is, but what is the server command to join this server?
23:24<voipzapper>here in xchat, it seems to not show the full info i need to use to do a /server
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23:25<edwuard>hola buenas noches
23:25<edwuard>disculpen la pregunta alguno por casualidad podria ayudarme en lo siguiente: quiero instalar el kernel 2.6.7 o superior en debian 5 lenny
23:26<edwuard>alguien sabe de cual repositorio puedo bajarlo mediante apt-get ???
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23:27<voipzapper>edwuard, hi. but i don't speak spanish\
23:28<edwuard>hi i need a help with debian how to install kernel 2.6.7 on debian 5 lenny
23:28<edwuard>my version is 2.6.6 i need update on 2.6.7 or +++ how to update my debian using apt-get
23:29<edwuard>cant you help me ?
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23:37<voipzapper>edwuard, well, i am not sure. i might
23:37<voipzapper>what are you having trouble with?
23:37<voipzapper>hmm. the kernel only.
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23:37<edwuard>i install virtual box
23:38<edwuard>but this virtualbox require kernel 2.6.7 or +++
23:38<voipzapper>i'm pretty new to all this, but i suspect that you wouldn't be able to use apt-get for that.
23:38<edwuard>when install in autorunmode
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23:38<voipzapper>hmm. my first suggestion would be to look at getting the cd for that version
23:38<edwuard>yes i need use a apt-get for that
23:39<voipzapper>is the latest version of the kernel what is installed from the current installation cd?
23:39<voipzapper>is what you are trying to update to the latest kernel?
23:40<voipzapper>well, i would be somewhat surprised if apt-get could install over the booted kernel
23:40<edwuard>I do not have the cd but I have internet, I need to use a command or via apt-get repository
23:41<craigevil>what the heck is 2.6.7? 2.6.26, 2.6.29,2.6.30 i can see
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23:41<edwuard>i use apt-get install linux-image-2.6.7 but i got a error
23:42<edwuard>i need a repository
23:42<voipzapper>edwuard, i am probably way newer to all this than you are
23:42<edwuard>on debian 5 lenny
23:42<craigevil>there is no 2.6.7 wtf
23:42<voipzapper>again, i'd be surprised if you could install over the currently rtunning kernel, but i am just guessing
23:42<craigevil>lenny has 2.6.26 you can install 2.29 and 2.6.30 from
23:43<voipzapper>can you d/l the cd image and run that? is is only 150Mb
23:43<edwuard>thanks voipzapper
23:43<craigevil>why do you need a newer kernel for virtualbox?
23:43<edwuard>i try
23:43<edwuard>yes carigevil
23:44<edwuard>yes craigevil
23:44<dpkg>somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
23:46<edwuard>i've found deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free
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23:46<edwuard>I have to do an apt-get dist upgrade? ???
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23:47<craigevil>no you do apt-get -t lenny-backports install “package”
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23:49<edwuard>i get a error on key GPG error
23:49<edwuard> NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C what is that ?
23:50<craigevil>read the instructions >
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23:57<voipzapper>this might seem like a dumb question, but what is the /server command to use this server?
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23:57<voipzapper>the intro screen says
23:59<craigevil> or
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