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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-08-01

---Logopened Sat Aug 01 00:00:04 2009
00:00<voipzapper>craigevil, thx
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00:02<voipzapperw>trying from windows box
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00:03<voipzapper>voipzapperw, hello there me from windows box
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00:06<voipzapper>voipzapper, hello there me from linux box
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00:17<edwuard>i try to restar my computer with kernel 2.6.30 i hope to fix it
00:18<Steven_M>is anyone else here worried about plans for squeeze to support kfreeBSD?
00:18<edwuard>if i solved my problem i send a message
00:18<edwuard>thanks voipzapper and craigevil thaks for your help
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01:20<voipzapperw>Steven_M: if i knew what that was, i might be worried :-)
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01:24*Supaplex stuffs the pos in the toilet and flushes
01:24<Supaplex>sweet. it worked.
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01:34<voipzapperw>Supaplex: yay! hey, Supaplex
01:34<Supaplex>!tell ophank -about ask
01:34<ophank>i have problem with xen
01:35<voipzapperw>ophank: hi
01:35<Supaplex>voipzapperw: sup
01:35<ophank>Error: Device 770 (vbd) could not be connected
01:35<voipzapperw>Supaplex: much more knowledgable than the last time i was here
01:36<voipzapperw>Supaplex: perhaps even "don't need 'grounding' instructions" now :-)
01:36<Supaplex>nice :)
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01:37<rita>I do need to update ffmpeg
01:37<ophank>anyone give me help
01:37<rita>Im almost positive, but I cant, theres something wrong with my debian-multimedia repository
01:38<ophank>Error: Device 770 (vbd) could not be connected when create xm cfg file
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01:40<enouf>rita: apt-cache policy ffmpeg
01:43<rita>I try to update, but it cant find dependencies because it can
01:43<rita>*cant find the repository
01:46<gsimmons>rita: You appear to be referencing Debian Multimedia for Etch on a Lenny system.
01:47<Supaplex>**YAWN** wow. can't wait to go home.
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01:48<equa>What is the antidote of set -E?
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01:49<ophank>help help
01:49<rita>enouf: I see, I guess that' s all there is to it, I hope. Im new to debian, was a Gentoo user till recently.
01:49<equa>And of set -e
01:49<Supaplex>set +e
01:50<Supaplex>!tell ophank -about repeat
01:52<ophank>Error: Device 770 (vbd) could not be connected
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01:52<ophank>Error: Device 770 (vbd) could not be connected when create xm cfg file
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01:52<equa>And how do I prevent the shell from exiting if the 'set -e'-ed script was sourced instead of run?
01:54<Supaplex>ophank: we don't know. you're not being ignored because we don't have answers. I would try a mailing list, as xen is fairly advanced.
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01:57<rita>hehe unfortunately it didn' t work, everything update, the repository is ok now but still
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01:58<equa>I want the script to stop running but I don't want the shell to exit
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02:03<equa>There's a -hold option for xterm, but how do I enable something like that in any terminal after I started it?
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02:09<blarson_>equa: Are you looking for kill -STOP ?
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02:09<blarson_>(usually bound to ^Z)
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02:10<equa>BLarg: You weren't here when I began: And how do I prevent the shell from exiting if the 'set -e'-ed script was sourced instead of run?
02:10<equa>blarson_: You weren't here when I began: And how do I prevent the shell from exiting if the 'set -e'-ed script was sourced instead of run?
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02:14<Steven_M>voipzapperw: a bsd kernel
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02:25<vook>maybe equa needed 'sleep'
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03:59<TeraPatrick>hi all, why debian not so cool on DVD installer? to much I think.
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04:16<marcel>good morning
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04:27<TeraPatrick>I must be have all of them DVD. oh I see Debian is completely distro in the world.
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04:32<orko>when i am booting my system seems to be stuck around 90 sec or more after the chckin gof the file system. does anybody know what the next step after checking filesystem is?
04:33<orko>i want to remove this step or have a look why it takes so long.
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04:34<Dargor>Anyone good at recovering raid arrays, my flatmate broke ours and im having trouble fixing it. mdadm --scan fails because the disks are all pointing to the wrong disks
04:34<cahoot>orko: might have use of enabling bootlogd
04:34<cahoot>orko: look in /etc/default/bootlogd
04:35<orko>cahoot: BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=No
04:35<cahoot>chnage to yes
04:36<orko>aah ok.
04:36<orko>sorry, did't understand first time
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04:38<carboy87>does anyone know what there doing with linux
04:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:39<handjob>Good morning gentleman. How can i get my hands on 'session' option in 'slim' without reseting the whole system?
04:39<carboy87>!ask i have a problem my linux box booted in safe mode now i cant seem to get it out of safe mode so how do i return it to its normal state?
04:40<carboy87>I am running ubuntu 8.05
04:40<carboy87>8.04* i mean
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04:41<carboy87>morning hand job
04:41<carboy87>fix my computer
04:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
04:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
04:42<handjob>Morning! i will do my best.
04:42<marcel>carboy87: issnt there away you can select 'normal mode' at grub?
04:42<carboy87>Please help me get this damn linux box out of safe mode
04:42<carboy87>whats grub
04:42<digifor>How do I fix? "libstartup-notification0: Depends: libxcb1 (>= 1.1.92) but 1.1-1.2 is to be installed"
04:42<marcel>carboy87: why are you using linux?
04:43<digifor>I am following this:
04:43<carboy87>i like linux but i dont know to much about it
04:43<handjob>carboy87, You are entering word of pain.
04:43<carboy87>word of pain? how
04:44<carboy87>i dont know what i said
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04:44<marcel>carboy87: just be patient, read/google alot, and give us as much as possible information about your problem. someone here might be able to help you then.
04:44<orko>cahoot: does it help in nay way with my problem?
04:44<Hideo>carboy87: first thing is you go to a ubuntu channel and ask about ubuntu instead of going to a debian channel
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04:44<marcel>Hideo: hehe really?
04:45<carboy87>where is ubuntu
04:45<handjob>Haha i meant *world. Linux = pain and much of reading.
04:45<digifor>carboy87, /join #ubuntu
04:45<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
04:45<marcel>hehe just like that :x
04:45<handjob>'#ubuntu' is most overrated community ever. Be prepared.
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04:47<handjob>So gentleman how do i enter slim's session option without reseting OS?
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04:49<handjob>In other words how do i kill x to be dropped to login manager instead of cli?
04:49<vook>carboy87: I am your father.
04:50<olet>handjob: you logout?
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04:51<handjob>olet, Ha simple as that i should stop driking! Thnak you Sir!
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04:53<handjob>Uuuu there is something wrong with my box. When i log out it drops me to cli instead slim login session. How to fix this?
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04:57<handjob>What was the command to check the logs from booting process?
04:58<handjob>Nevermind i foud it.
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05:01<handjob>Whare can i look for X's log files and why does slim won't start after logging out?
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05:07<wekt>my .deb database has a bad idea of what is installed. Could that come from reusing an old /var/cache ? How can I audit/fix the database?
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05:09<marcel>wekt: what error do you get?
05:10<wekt>aptitude and dpkg -l show me packages are installed which are not installed.
05:10<wekt>The are however packages that I had installed on a previous installation.
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05:21<wekt>maybe debsums will help.
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05:25<wekt>Nope, it seems not.
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05:35<vook>handjob: valerian root is a GABA2 agonist - it can be taken in large quantities to ease the withdrawal of alcohol.
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05:45<bevan>debian 4 life!
05:46<snogglethorpe>debian costs you your life?!
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05:49<cahoot>well there is a debian live
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05:50<snogglethorpe>but who lives, you or debian?
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05:51<cahoot>snogglethorpe: change of subject - did ufraw do what you wanted?
05:52<snogglethorpe>cahoot: i don't have a camera (yet), was just testing with downloaded raws
05:52<snogglethorpe>cahoot: it seems pretty nice
05:52<snogglethorpe>cahoot: but it's annoying that there isn't a single app with both NR and sharpening...
05:52<snogglethorpe>both seem quite commonly used together
05:53<snogglethorpe>(I tried the gimp for both, but its results weren't at all nice compared to the dedicated apps)
05:53<cahoot>yes sharpening is a must if you pla to work with raw
05:54<snogglethorpe>it would be nice if the rawstudio and ufraw people would steal each other's code a bit more...
05:54<snogglethorpe>(rawstudio does very nice sharpening, ufraw does very nice NR)
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06:16<Tecna>I'm interested in people's opinion on this... Of Debian and Ubuntu, which is better, and why?
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06:24<noflash>!why debian
06:24<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
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06:25<Tecna>"Debian is stable"
06:26<snogglethorpe>Tecna: ubuntu does have a very nice brown color tho
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06:26<Tecna>I've been having several problems with it i've never seen with other distros, that nobody's been able to help me with so far...
06:26<Tecna>(maybe someone here right now has a clue...)
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06:27<snogglethorpe>Tecna: why would a general comparison of ubuntu and debian have any bearing though?
06:28<Tecna>snogglethorpe: I'm considering switching, and I'm looking for a reason not to.
06:29<snogglethorpe>Tecna: ubuntu will have different bugs
06:29<snogglethorpe>(except where it has the same bugs, of course, since it inherits 98% of debian...)
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06:29<Tecna>that's why I'm so frustrated
06:30<Tecna>I've tried ubuntu on this machine and these problems didn't happen
06:30<snogglethorpe>dunno; ubuntu is much more aimed at noobs, so they might be more patient and willing to hand-hold
06:30<marcel>Tecna: then they probably are not bugs but different configurations or settings or even packages
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06:32<Tecna>marcel: I didn't say they were bugs
06:32<cahoot>Tecna: it really is a practical not religious matter - so if ubuntu fits your bill better - use it
06:33*marcel agrees with cahoot
06:34<Tecna>they look the same on the surface... but how different are they underneath? Obviously enough to make a difference, but is it enough where one will slow me down?
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06:35<Tecna>I'm trying to decide if it's more worth it to keep try to solve these problems, or to switch.
06:35<marcel>Tecna: at the end not. youre prolly go faster. but you need to have the will to read and learn new things
06:36<snogglethorpe>to the best of my knowledge, they are 99% the same
06:36<snogglethorpe>the difference lie very much in small details, configuration, release schedules, etc
06:36<marcel>Tecna: perhaps you just need to know abit more about the basics and command line.. there botht the same on ubunut and debian
06:36<cahoot>snogglethorpe: reminds me of the proportion of DNA shared between species
06:37<snogglethorpe>flip that bit and you're a raptor!
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06:38<Tecna>marcel: I've been reading a variety of unix/linux shell manuals, and write my own scripts, so I don't think my knowledge of the command lind is particularly lacking
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07:09<peacenik>I am wanting to mount several iso files, is there a way to increase the number of /dev/loop devices?
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07:10<peacenik>my searches on the internet point to /etc/modprobe.conf but this file does not exist, so should I create one or does debian use another way of configuring?
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07:12<gsimmons>dpkg: tell peacenik -about modprobe
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07:32<sean_bateman>hi all
07:32<sean_bateman>does anybody know how to set the multicount option with sdparm? hdparm doesn't help with this, as I only have sata drives.
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07:33<vvas>sean_bateman, hdparm works for SATA drives for most options these days
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07:34<sean_bateman>vvas>that's what I got, but it spits out " HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device"
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07:35<sean_bateman>and on the sata FAQ, i fount that most HDIO syscalls aren't supported anymore because they're kinda specific to IDE drives
07:35<vvas>hm, then you have either an older kernel or an older hdparm compared to me, or both
07:35<vvas>you could also try blktool
07:36<vvas>however: it's an option you really don't have to set for SATA drives
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07:36<vvas>in fact when i tried it now here it says:
07:36<vvas>Use of -m is VERY DANGEROUS. Only the old IDE drivers work correctly with -m with kernels up to at least 2.6.29. libata drives may fail and get hung if you set this flag. Please supply the --yes-i-know-what-i-am-doing flag if you really want this.
07:37<sean_bateman>vvas>why shouldn't I set it? it usually improved performance. I'll try with blktool, thanks (I have a recent kernel, indeed)
07:37<sean_bateman>hmmm... is that a libata issue?
07:38<vvas>sean_bateman, i think it's a feature that's only relevant when the drive is not using DMA
07:38<vvas>(which is rare these days)
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07:39<sean_bateman>hm I may be wrong but even with DMA disks it used to yeld a 3-4MB/sec performance gain
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07:39<sean_bateman>but thanks for the reply :)
07:40<sean_bateman>(doesn"t work either with blktool)
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07:42<sean_bateman>gotta go, see ya :)
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08:03<peacenik>gsimmons: thanks - "/etc/modprobe.d/local.conf" was just the answer I was looking for
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08:06<lbt_>(following debian/README.cross in gcc-4.3)
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08:17<chomwitt>can i see somewhere videos from debconf 9 ?
08:18<Ganneff>not yet online
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08:28<chomwitt>Ganneff: ok
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08:51<DebianFan>how do i run apache2 in debian with different user instead of the www-data user.
08:52<DebianFan>when http://home/~user1/ is being visit
08:52<abrotman>why would you want to?
08:52<DebianFan>i run wordpress in ~user1
08:52<DebianFan>and when i tried 2 install plugins, etc... i always got permission denied..
08:53<bremner>DebianFan: some reason not to use the debian packages of wordpress?
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08:54<DebianFan>y. i do.
08:54<bremner>judd: versions wordpress
08:54<judd>bremner: wordpress -- etch: 2.0.10-1etch3 etch-security: 2.0.10-1etch3 sid: 2.5.1-10 lenny: 2.5.1-11 sid: 2.5.1-11 experimental: 2.7.1-1 sid: 2.7.1-2 squeeze: 2.7.1-2
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08:54<abrotman>but the packages don't have all the plugins i think is what he's getting at ..
08:54<DebianFan>lenny vers.
08:54<abrotman>so he's trying to install them via some web interface in wordpress
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08:55<DebianFan>y. install addition plugins from wp web interface
08:55<abrotman>(i don't use wordpress .. just guessing)
08:55*bremner backs away nervously at the mention of web interface
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08:55<abrotman>i'll guess wordpress has some administrative interface per user ..
08:55<DebianFan>i can make it to work if I chown of ~user1/public_html to www-data:www-data
08:55<abrotman>DebianFan: can't you get the plugin from a website and put it in yourself ?
08:56<DebianFan>i could do that too. however, there are other things that need to write to the ~user1/public_html, then i would work either..
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08:57<DebianFan>then it wouldn't work either..
08:57*abrotman would try to install it manually
08:58<DebianFan>install manually works.
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08:58<DebianFan>the web admin normally downloads the plugins and installs it.
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09:06<bremner>DebianFan: maybe you should request the plugins you need packaged for Debian. That is probably less work than makeing the web installer work.
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09:10<DebianFan>the wp will automatic update the plugins too if there is a new version... i prefer not 2 wait for the debian pkg for these plugins.
09:11<DebianFan>and it is not just for plugins. sometime, the plugins need2 write stuffs to ~user1/public_html directory also and it won't work either.
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09:20<panv>hello all...
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09:20<panv>i am looking for a software (GPL) that provides store management
09:20<panv>and plant equipment management
09:20<panv>for a construction company
09:20<panv>is it available >??
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09:21<dr|zed>panv: Maybe, or more likely there's something out there you can bend to your needs.
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09:23<abrotman>panv: all in one?
09:24<panv>abrotman, if it's set of scripts... i wouldn't mind.
09:24<abrotman>judd: info interchange --release lenny
09:24<abrotman>judd: ?
09:24<judd>abrotman: Error: "?" is not a valid command.
09:24<panv>i am writing something now python/gtk
09:24<panv>but it is taking hell alot of my time, and i am late on my work schedule.
09:24<bremner>DebianFan: well, you could file a wishlist bug on the package, about the plugin system, but I don't know how hopeful I'd be. The maintainer seems busy with a steady stream of security problems.
09:24<abrotman>oh .. maybe it's dead ..
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09:25<bremner>abrotman: it is in unstable
09:25<panv>what i exactly need, is a flow software... where requisitions come from a place to another... with authorities... to purchase dpt.. then back to store..
09:25<abrotman>judd: info interchange --release sid
09:25<judd>abrotman: interchange (web): is optional; Version: 5.6.1-2; Size: 1001.1k; Installed: 4308k -- e-commerce and general HTTP database display system
09:25<abrotman>like that ?
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09:25<Woet>Is there any command that shows the last modified/created/accessed dates of files?
09:26<abrotman>panv: i haven't used interchange, but know it exists, had a friend use it for an online store
09:26<abrotman>Woet: stat ?
09:26<Woet>thanks abrotman
09:27<panv>ok abrotman ... i'll check.
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09:28<abrotman>panv: i'm not even sure it does what you want .. also check freshmeat
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09:28<panv>but i don't want a web-application..
09:28<panv>i am not into installing webservers...
09:28<panv>i just want a single-user desktop application...
09:29<abrotman>oh .. a Point of Sale system
09:29<Woet>abrotman: what's the difference between modify and change?
09:31<abrotman>Woet: not sure, i'd guess file vs inode .. never looked into it
09:31<Woet>hmm, okay
09:31<Woet>not covered in man
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09:31<Woet>/* time of last modification */
09:31<abrotman>in the info page maybe ?
09:31<Woet>/* time of last status change */
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09:32<bremner>panv: just from apt-cache, I see tryton
09:32<Woet>not sure what they mean by 'status change'
09:32<Woet>'The field st_ctime is changed by writing or by setting inode information (i.e., owner, group, link count, mode, etc.). '
09:32<abrotman>i was .. right ?
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09:33<panv>i'll check out that bremner thanks alot too...
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09:53<ootput>hi. any of you using mpdscribble in squeeze? Following recent update, I'm no longer able to start the daemon at init. It appears an /etc/default/mpdscribble file is now used, but I can't find documentation for it.
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09:55<locklace>just read the startup script in init.d and see what it does
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09:56<ootput>hi locklace. I'm not really familiar with test cases. The init script has: if [ ! "x$MPD_SYSTEMWIDE" = x1 ]; then
09:57<ootput>So the default file would require a MPD_SYSTEMWIDE=1 line?
09:57<ootput>well, that worked
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10:54<legnaleurc>why i got squares in java swing when displaying cjk charecters?
10:54<legnaleurc>i had installed sun-java6-fonts
10:54<legnaleurc>btw, under kde4
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10:55<abrotman>stop it
10:56<abrotman>legnaleurc: probably an encoding issue
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11:04<legnaleurc>abrotman:but on other system(Kubuntu, Windows), it is normal
11:04<legnaleurc>locale is en_US.UTF-8
11:05<abrotman>doesn't mean the app is ? not really sure .. i don't use a lot of java apps
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11:06<cobra>Hey there guys ..... can i install 3 on lenny ?
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11:08<abrotman>cobra-the-joker: yes .. /msg dpkg bpo
11:08<abrotman>cobra-the-joker: but why?
11:09<cobra-the-joker>MS 2007 files dont open in 2.4
11:10<abrotman>in debian they do
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11:11<cobra-the-joker>really :D
11:12<cobra-the-joker>abrotman , so 2.4 support 2007 formats in debian ??
11:12*abrotman thinks he just said that
11:12<abrotman>now if i could just find a sample xslx file
11:13<cobra-the-joker>abrotman , for a full office suite .... aptitude install open-office ?
11:13<abrotman>i think it's
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11:14<cobra-the-joker>another issue here .....i installed a flashplugin ..but youtube videos dont seem to work ( in iceweasel , epiphany )
11:14<abrotman>how did you install it ?
11:14<cobra-the-joker>once i installed it from the website ...then removed it
11:14<cobra-the-joker>the other by installing it from the aptitude
11:15<abrotman>from website ?
11:15<legnaleurc>abrotman:LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 java -jar ...blah blah, still the same
11:15<abrotman>legnaleurc: maybe ask #debian-java .. really not sure
11:15<cobra-the-joker>abrotman , from the adobe website
11:16<abrotman>cobra-the-joker: it has to update the alternatives
11:16<cobra-the-joker>aptitude , aptitude install flash-plugin-nonfree
11:16<abrotman>update-alternatives --quiet --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ 10 && update-alternatives --config
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11:16<abrotman>usually something like that .. then you update-alternatives --config
11:16<abrotman>and restart all your browsers
11:17<cobra-the-joker>There is no program which provides
11:20<abrotman>cobra-the-joker: the flash packages at set it up correctly
11:21<cobra-the-joker>abrotman ,
11:21<ml|>cobra-the-joker: /msg dpkg adobe flash
11:21<cobra-the-joker> /msg dpkg adobe flash
11:22<ml|>no space
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11:29<cobra-the-joker>abrotman , this is applied on epiphany and konq also ??
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11:31<cobra-the-joker>not working :(
11:31<anao>need help with xdm
11:31<cobra-the-joker>hey anao
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11:31<anao>how can i seth the password field at xdm to unhide?
11:32<anao>its only shown if i jump inside it with TAB
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11:33<cobra-the-joker>not working :(((
11:34<anao>hm ok..
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11:34<anao>i know that on etch passwordfield and userfield was always framed
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11:35<Guest196>primera vez ke entr a esto
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11:36<Guest196>nuevo en ubuntu
11:36<bremner>!tell Guest196 -about es
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11:37<Guest196>hola munga
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11:37<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:38<Guest196>ok no entiendo como opera esto y como puedo comuniarme con alguien
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11:38<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:39<abrotman>Guest196: go to #ubuntu-es on
11:39<Agent_bob>ok i'm back. still can't boot the darn thing
11:40<Guest196>la verdad no entiendo como se chatea aca y como se puede obterner ayuda
11:40<Guest196>soy de chile
11:40<Guest196>de donde eres abrotman
11:40<abrotman>Guest196: go to #ubuntu-es on
11:41<abrotman>Guest196: english only here
11:41<Guest196>hi abrotman
11:42<Guest196>how are you?
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11:42<abrotman>Guest196: do you have a Debian question?
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11:43<Guest196>firts time in this chat
11:44<c>how test amule not work
11:45<cobra-the-joker>abrotman , i installed flashplayer-mozilla , flashplugin-nonfree ....and all of them dont seem to work .
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11:46<Agent_bob>well i have moved the problem from "kernel panic" to "(initramfs)" {busybox shell, where i can't mount the rootfs} on some kernels so i call that progress. "sort of"
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11:46<ml|>cobra-the-joker: you only need one try update-alternatives --config and make sure one of them is selected
11:47<Agent_bob>OkropNick: can anyone help me get this thing to boot ?
11:47<Agent_bob>sorry OkropNick
11:47<Agent_bob>'ok' ^
11:48<cobra-the-joker>ml| ,
11:48<cobra-the-joker>There is only 1 program which provides (/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/
11:48<abrotman>cobra-the-joker: about:plugins .. any help ?
11:48<abrotman>cobra-the-joker: and does that file it's pointing to exist ?
11:48<cobra-the-joker>ok wait
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11:48<Agent_bob>readlink -f /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/
11:49<cobra-the-joker>abrotman , yes
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11:49<ml|>Agent_bob: might be best to ask your question and explain your issue again
11:50<Agent_bob>ml| explain ? if i start giving all the information i can on my "non-booting" issue, everyone gets scared and wont talk to me... if i give the basics, i get "don't ask to ask..." ;/
11:50<cobra-the-joker>abrotman , weid , 'No plugins are installed' in the about:plugins
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11:51<handjob>Gentelman what do i need to install in order to play mp3 files? I goodled some answers yet solution provided there didn't gave any results.
11:51<Agent_bob>ml| at any rate, i'm having to use a ubuntu kernel on my lenny/lappy because the debian kernels all panic out, with "can't mount rootfs"
11:51<ml|>Agent_bob: well you are not getting an answer because, nobody knows?
11:52<Agent_bob>ml| probably
11:52<marcel>handjob: a mediaplayer?
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11:53<handjob>marcel, maybe i don't knew ; P and seriously i have vlc installed and i would not mind using it as music player so i assume i need some condecs or something.
11:53<ml|>Agent_bob: i know your issue, but i have no clue, the reason i suggested your repeat yourself, so anybody that was not around then will see it now, but do what you like
11:53<marcel>handjob: i use vlc as my media player. i diddnt need to install any codecs after apt-getting vlc
11:53<Agent_bob>error > /init: line 1: /bin/sleep: Permission denied <<< pages of.
11:54<Agent_bob>then a busybox shell
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11:54<Agent_bob>which is a vast improvement over the way it was, "kernel panic: not syncing"
11:54<handjob>marcel, Thats strange - it does not work for me. I will fire it up from command line and check the error.
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11:55<marcel>handjob: does sounds work?
11:56<cobra-the-joker>abrotman , any fix ?
11:56<c>ammule serch files.,but not download. port probe fail What do?
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11:56<handjob>marcel, Well thats strange - it works when summoned from command line 0_o.
11:57<marcel>handjob: weird indeed..
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11:58<ml|>cobra-the-joker: maybe try logging out, back in and as last resort a reboot to rule all these things out
11:58<Agent_bob>a regression also, it was at one point where i could issue 'modprobe scsi-mod ;mount -t ext3 /dev/sda /root ' and the rootfs would then be mounted in /root ; only if i exited the busybox shell, it would kernel panic. now i can't mount the rootfs but it doesn't kernel panic, when i exit the shell. it just loops.
11:58<cobra-the-joker>ml| , ok
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11:59<Agent_bob>i have no idea what is broken here.
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11:59<cobra-the-joker>ml| , same ...not working
12:00<Agent_bob>does anyone know a list of all packages related to booting the system ?
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12:01<Agent_bob>linux-image* initramfs-tools* udev* ????
12:01<cobra-the-joker>ml| , should i try to install FireFox ?
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12:02<ml|>cobra-the-joker: iceweasel if you like, but don't think that will fix your issue, but can't hurt either
12:03<cobra-the-joker>ml| , i have iceweasel ..not working
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12:03<Agent_bob> i have all these debian kernels install (2.6.18-6-686 2.6.26-1-686 2.6.26-2-686 2.6.30-bpo.1-686) and none of them will boot... i also have this one ubuntu kernel installed (2.6.15-52-686) which i am forced to use, because it's the only thing that will boot. ?
12:05<ml|>cobra-the-joker: sirry dunno then, it works fine here, maybe when you used that web version you tried before using debian flash package messed things up, maybe try removing what that did
12:05<cobra-the-joker>ml| , how remove it ?
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12:06<ml|>don't what you used or what that did, it's just a humch on my part
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12:07<ml|>sense what you did know all points to it should be working correctly now, is all i can think of
12:08<Agent_bob>does anyone know a list of all packages related to booting the system ? linux-image* initramfs-tools* udev* ????
12:09<Agent_bob>i would try a forced reinstall of all packages if i had a list
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12:10<ml|>Agent_bob: did you install lenny resently? and was it ever working with a debian kernel?
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12:13<Agent_jo>i would try a forced reinstall of all packages if i had a list <<<< sorry, got disconnected.
12:15<debuser4235><ml|> Agent_bob: did you install lenny resently? and was it ever working with a debian kernel?
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12:17<cobra-the-joker>ml| , 'Current status: 0 updates [-24].' ....what that mean ?
12:18<Agent_jo>debuser4235 yes, i upgraded to lenny from etch, and; yes it was booting the .18 kernel prior to that.
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12:18<Agent_jo>ml| ^
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12:19<ml|>cobra-the-joker: exactly what it says
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12:19<cobra-the-joker>-24 ..??
12:19<cobra-the-joker>24 packages installed ??
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12:21<ml|>Agent_jo: maybe the move to lenny did not go well, sense it worked before?
12:22<Agent_jo>ml| obviously
12:22<ml|>Agent_jo: maybe backup the data and do a fresh install, or wait for someone to help
12:22<Agent_jo>ml| except. when i use the "ubuntu" kernel/initramfs pair the system works {ok}
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12:23<ml|>yes i know it's just a suggestion
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12:24<ml|>either wait to get help or try something else
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12:25<bartm>ml|: or do a fresh install while waiting :)
12:25<Agent_bob>the old kernel doesn't support the vidio or wifi, and that was the reason for the upgrade... and on dialup, i can't exactly dl a new os every time i want too....
12:25<Agent_bob>anyway, maybe i'll try >>> COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ^ii | cut -d' ' -f3 | while read q ;do apt-get install --reinstall $q ;done <<< and see if it helps.
12:27<amphi>Agent_bob: have you progressed at all, in the intervening hours? ;)
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12:29<Agent_bob>amphi yes. and no.
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12:29<Agent_bob>amphi i now get a busybox shell in some of the later kernels, but i now can't mount the rootfs from within those busybox shells
12:30<Agent_bob>the change was from reinstalling "udev"
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12:31<bremner>Agent_bob: did you try debsums to check for corrupted packages?
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12:31<amphi>"wavemon: under the pain of death, thou shaltst not resize thyne window", heh
12:31<john>hi there
12:32<amphi>!blame toshiba
12:32*dpkg blames apecat and toshiba for all the evil in the world
12:32<Agent_bob>bremner debsums ? no. isn't the package manager supposed to check the package it downloads ?
12:32<marcel>!blame test
12:32*dpkg blames yang and test for all the evil in the world
12:32<marcel>hehe oke
12:33<bremner>Agent_bob: well, in case of desperation, check for post installation corruption
12:33<john>can anyone help me? I want to install a WinTv-Go Card
12:33*amphi offers a hammer
12:34<Agent_bob>debuser4235 looking
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12:35<dr|z3d>john: NDISWrapper might be worth a look.
12:35<dr|z3d>It's used primarily for wireless drivers, but you might get lucky.
12:36<bremner>john: might be of interest
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12:37<bremner>brought to you by "we're not as evil as microsoft",
12:38<Agent_bob>debuser4235 i know where the rootfs is o.O it's /dev/sda the only hdd the lappy has ;/
12:39<debuser4235>you may think you know where rootfs is
12:39<bremner>Agent_bob: I doubt very much /dev/sda is a rootfs. /dev/sda1 maybe
12:39<Agent_bob>bremner no. it's sda
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12:40<Agent_bob>and that's not the issue
12:40*bremner refuses to argue since he has no idea what bizarro world setup uses a disk without a partition table
12:41<bremner>BSD used to do that, and look what happened to them :)
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12:44<Guest199>Hello everybody
12:44<Guest199>Can someone help me
12:44<debuser4235>Agent_bob: i think you didn't provide enough info for others to help... I for one don't know what's happening on your system... maybe you could post a dmesg log when trying to boot 2.6.26-2-686? or you could just do a backup and then a fresh install... no more headaches
12:44<Guest199>I need to install a WinTV-Go Card
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12:46<cahoot>Guest162: find out its pciid, will help figuring out what kind of support/module it needs
12:46<Agent_bob>debuser4235 can't reinstall really don't have an installation disk
12:46<debuser4235>get one
12:46<Agent_bob>buy one?
12:47<debuser4235>download a netinst iso
12:47<Agent_bob>can't dl one, would take 6 months 14k dialup
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12:47<debuser4235>I wonder how did you upgrade from etch then
12:48<Agent_bob>another location
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12:48<debuser4235>the netinst iso has 150MB
12:48*Agent_bob thought it was 50m
12:48<debuser4235>go to an internet cafe then :)
12:48<debuser4235>to a friend
12:49<Agent_bob>easier to fix maybe
12:49<debuser4235>it doesn't look like it
12:49<Agent_bob>we'll see.
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12:49<ml|>yeah i doubt it also, but good luck
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12:59<DebianFan>what do i need 2 set in the iceweasle web browser 2 read simplied chinese?
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13:01<debuser4235>debianfan: aptitude search iceweasel-l10n | grep -i chinese
13:01<debuser4235>then install what you need
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13:11<d3n0>Filesystem "loop0": XFS internal error xfs_trans_cancel at line 1163 of file fs/xfs/xfs_trans.c. Caller 0xf8e37116
13:11<d3n0>a friend of mine having problem with xfs
13:11<d3n0>xfs_repair isnt much of a help
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13:12<DebianFan>installed the iceweasel chinese language packs, but still no able 2 view.
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13:13<debuser4235>have you restarted the browser?
13:14<loudergood>he probably needs the fonts
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13:15<debuser4235>d3n0: what kernel is he using?
13:15<DebianFan>browser was restarted.
13:16<DebianFan>uname -a
13:16<DebianFan>Linux DebianVaio 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Sun Jul 26 21:25:33 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
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13:17<debuser4235>debianfan: aptitude install xfonts-intl-chinese
13:17<DebianFan>done that too.
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13:18<DebianFan>i'm installing the ttf-arphic-* packages now.
13:19<debuser4235>maybe you have to set the encoding
13:19<debuser4235>View->Character encoding
13:19<DebianFan>tried all the possible encoding in the browswer.
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13:23<debuser4235>it should work...
13:23<DebianFan>k. let me read that mini-howto. thx
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13:24<debuser4235>it's outdated, but it could help you
13:25<d3n0>any howto for my xfs problems :P?
13:25<debuser4235>btw, I've asked d3n0 what kernel, not you :)
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13:26<debuser4235>d3n0: what kernel is he using?
13:27<d3n0>totally missed that sorry
13:27<d3n0>one sec
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13:28<d3n0>2.6.24-1-686 hes running this one
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13:29<leejongwook>hi :)
13:29<debuser4235>see comment #7
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13:29<debuser4235>google rules :)
13:29<leejongwook>anyone use wm as a desktop manager ?
13:30<leejongwook>yes :)
13:30<leejongwook>windows maker ?
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13:30<leejongwook>i'm currently using gnome
13:30<leejongwook>and i'd like to change it :P
13:30<d3n0>debuser4235, thank m8
13:31<d3n0>just update and problem is gone? hopefully its that easy
13:31<leejongwook>gnome <-- wonderful but has a little but with panel
13:31<leejongwook>bug --> bug
13:31<debuser4235>well, it the first thing that he should do
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13:31<leejongwook>what do you use Tekno ?
13:32<leejongwook>KDE ?
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13:32<leejongwook>how about you deb user ? kde ? gnome ?
13:33<leejongwook>anyone use xfce ?
13:33<debuser4235>xfce4, but I'm a console user mostly
13:33<Tekno>leejongwook: E17
13:34<leejongwook>never heard of it
13:34<leejongwook><-- going youtube to find e17
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13:36<leejongwook><-- dont know how to install graphic driver
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13:37<leejongwook>i have tried few times but all failed
13:37<debuser4235>read the docs first
13:37<leejongwook>are you talking to me deb user ?
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13:38<debuser4235>hi :)
13:38<Jids>are those for me?
13:38<Jids>or is the second a reply to the first?
13:38<leejongwook>for everyone :)
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13:39<Jids>lol then hi
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13:40<leejongwook><-- copying my data for backup
13:40<leejongwook>going to install new desktop
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13:40<mason_>hello , i got 2 questions each seperate. Question 1. Does lime wire work with debian 5.0 lenny like it would with ubuntu? Question 2. Is wine easy to install by using the sudo apt-get install wine command?
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13:40<leejongwook>have to decide between xfce and wm...
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13:41<debuser4235>xfce is simple, light
13:41<debuser4235>do you want that?
13:41<leejongwook>yes :)
13:41<leejongwook>how about wm ?
13:41<debuser4235>I don't know
13:41<leejongwook>i see
13:42<leejongwook>looks simple but difficult to configure it
13:42<leejongwook>i meant ant
13:43<leejongwook>mason_, answer for 2, i wouldn't use wine i rather pick virtualbox instead
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13:43<leejongwook>answer for 1, i think it will work fine :)
13:43<mason_>leejongwook, what is virtualbox? How does wine and VB differ?
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13:44<leejongwook>@_@ um.. how to explain those things, why dont use try youtube :)
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13:45<leejongwook>wine <-- this won't work as you expected most of times
13:45<dr|z3d>mason_: Wine attempts to run Windows applications natively, in Linux, using Windows libraries. VB, on the other hand, is a full virtualized environment.
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13:45<debuser4235>always google before asking :)
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13:45<leejongwook>virtualbox <-- you can install ms-windows on this
13:45<mason_>i see thank you now is virtual box easy to install? Meaning i can simply use the sudo command?
13:45<loudergood>see...I'd just use a native gnutella client
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13:46<leejongwook>mason_, yes :) but
13:46<leejongwook>if you want usb support, you need to download it, it's simple too
13:47<leejongwook>if you wanna go easier way, just forget about usb support
13:47<leejongwook>to find out what you want, just type ---> aptitude search virtualbox
13:47<ml|>dpkg: tell mason_ about vbox
13:48<leejongwook>aptitude search PACKAGE-NAME
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13:48<leejongwook>easy :)
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13:49<ml|>if you want to use non-ose version go to vbox site and look at download setion
13:49<mason_>i see some very bad flaws in VB
13:49<mason_>i think rather wine would run nicely in my case.
13:49<leejongwook>VB ?;;;
13:49<mason_>virtual box
13:49<leejongwook>VB == Visual Basic
13:50<leejongwook>VBOX == Virtual Box
13:50<mason_>ah i see sorry for the miss punctuation
13:50<leejongwook>VirBox would be better i think :P
13:50<mason_>its your rating on it but seeing that i can get viruses through it.
13:50<mason_>I dont think i would want viruses on my stable computer.
13:51<leejongwook>:P i don't know about virus
13:51<kenyon>your virtual machine won't affect your host machine
13:51<leejongwook>i thought so
13:52<mason_>yea i can see that now but wine on this website tells me all the programs and most i use run excellent.
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13:52<mason_>to whom ever sent me this link thank you
13:52<leejongwook>it uses a file as a physical disk (VirBox)
13:53<leejongwook>i meant like
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13:54<leejongwook>it's up to you mason_ :)
13:54<leejongwook>try both :P
13:54<DebianFan>got the chinese 2 show correctly on iceweasel after the dpkg-reconfigure locales. thx ev1
13:54<DebianFan>it even works in the Terminal too. KOOL!
13:54<debuser4235>DebianFan: np :)
13:54<debuser4235>always google first :)
13:55<mason_>but back to the question i had before i can install wine using sudo apt-get install wine right.
13:55<DebianFan>i did. but when i saw the dpkg-reconfigure in the mini-howto. i though debian no longer use the dpkg.
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13:55<mason_>okay thank you all ill bbl if i have any problems ;)
13:55<DebianFan>is there other way 2 reconfigure packages with aptitude or other means?
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13:56<leejongwook><--- luv Debian :) and All of the Debian users
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13:57<lagenar>i'm trying to install a program from source and ./configure says I need alsa-1.0.15 . What package I have to install for this dependency?
13:58<leejongwook><-- don't like compile so don't know anything about compiling but the message says you need to install alsa-x.x.xx
13:59<themill>lagenar: do you need exactly that version of alsa or at least that version of alsa?
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13:59<lagenar>It asks for that version of alsa but I'm not sure
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13:59<mason_>leejongwook, ok i installed wine but i get this error about lib32n something and says it wont allow me to connect to the internet?
13:59<lagenar>the program is called consonance
14:00<jlouis>mason_: you are probably on 64bit
14:00<mason_>jlouis, yes im on a 64 bit what shall i do?
14:01<jlouis>mason_: I never got that one fixed, but a guess is that you miss some 32bit compatibility package
14:01<mason_>so you have the same problem as me?
14:01<jlouis>had, the machine is a FreeBSD now :)
14:02<jlouis>and the other Debian boxes are 32bit here
14:02<mason_>ahh i see
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14:02<mason_>now does vbox support 64 bit?
14:02<eightyeight>are updates broken on unstable and testing?
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14:03<leejongwook>64 <-- server, 32 <-- for desktop user i think 'cause 32 has more applications than 64
14:04<eightyeight>well, i'm not getting any pdiffs. haven't for a couple weeks
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14:04<mason_>i see well will i get the error i get now with vbox?
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14:04<eightyeight>connects, grabs the diff index, then finishes. no pdiffs
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14:04<eightyeight>for unstable, that seems highly unlikely, unless testing is frozen, which i don't think it is
14:04<leejongwook><--- using 32, i'm not sure on 64
14:05<cobra-the-joker>Flash Player installed :D:D:D
14:05<themill>eightyeight: your mirror might not be syncing properly however. Check
14:05<leejongwook>never try never know @ mason, it's simple
14:05<leejongwook>aptitude search virtualbox
14:06<themill>eightyeight: or rather
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14:06<leejongwook>sudo aptitude install virtualbox or sudo apt-get install virtualbox
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14:06<mason_>what do you mean aptitude search?
14:06<mason_>oki doki
14:06<lagenar>leejongwook, it says it can be a greater version of alsa too, I have alsa installed but not sure in what package are de devs
14:07<mason_>wait whats aptitude do?
14:07<leejongwook>almost same as apt-get
14:07<themill>dpkg: tell mason_ about aptitude
14:07<ml|>dpkg: tell mason_ about why aptitude
14:07<leejongwook>lagenar, i'm really not sure about compiling :) sorry
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14:08<themill>lagenar: is there a specific file it's complaining about (see the config.log)
14:08<mason_>okay im installing the package right now ;)
14:08<leejongwook>compiling <-- headache
14:10<leejongwook>FreeBSD, Slackware, etc <-- headache, too much compiling
14:10<mason_>now leejongwook there is no casualty's with this package right meaning viruses and threats i know stupid question sorry for being a linux noob.
14:11<leejongwook><-- dont know anything about computer virus :P
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14:17<mason_>oki im taking its safe then =]]
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14:18<leejongwook>no trust no pain :P
14:19<leejongwook>i have very limited english, came from South Korea :) i wish i could explain a little more issues
14:20<leejongwook>have a lot of things to share but got a little english skill :P
14:21<mason_>hmm i see well maybe you can help me out with linux and guide me through what i need.
14:21<mason_>The reason for switching to it cause windows sucks lmfao
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14:22<mason_>in a world with out fences and walls who needs gates and windows.
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14:24<leejongwook>wanted add South Korea flag to it
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14:26<ml|>mason_: /msg dpkg grounding /masg dpkg selftell
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14:28<mason_>wow leejong this website is awsome.
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14:28<leejongwook>mason_, <-- backup is important
14:29<leejongwook>i use partimage also, it's simple
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14:30<mason_>part imaghe is for ubuntu only?
14:30<lagenar>it seems that pkg-config is unable to find alsa, anybody knows where I should point PKG_CONFIG_PATH in debian?
14:31<leejongwook>i use debian :)
14:31<leejongwook>works fine and you can install it with apt-get
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14:31<leejongwook>Debian == mother of ubuntu
14:32<leejongwook>you will mess up with your linux sometimes @ mason
14:32<bremner>mason_: partimage is included in debian, no need to go to other web sites
14:32<mason_>okay so once i do apt get is it easy to configure?
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14:33<leejongwook>no need to configure, just run that partimage when you need to backup your linux
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14:34<bremner>anyone understand the notion of a "default sound card" in alsa? vlc set the output to my usb headphones, now everything is going there.
14:35<mason_>okay i used sudo apt-get install partimage
14:35<mason_>where is it located to click?
14:36<leejongwook>type in console(terminal) :)
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14:36<mason_>how? like i said newb to linux haha
14:36<lagenar>or control key + f2
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14:37<leejongwook>(open terminal and type) $> partimage
14:37<lagenar>no alt + f2 i think
14:37<mason_>oki i got the run application now jsut type in partimage
14:37<leejongwook>sudo partimage
14:38<mason_>okay now what
14:38<mason_>just slect a partition?
14:38<ml|>mason_: /msg dpkg grounding /msg dpkg selftell /msg dpkg reference
14:38<leejongwook> <-- manual :P
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14:41<mason_>the manual gets kinda confusion i selected my partition now what.
14:41<leejongwook><-- im' reading the manual :P
14:43<adb>leejongwook: use /me reading
14:43*leejongwook reading
14:43<leejongwook>i see :) cool
14:43<mason_>okay now where should i save the image file too?
14:44<mason_>i got a swap drive thats 8.65GB
14:44<leejongwook>mason_, do you have extra hard drive ?
14:44<leejongwook>swap <-- you can not use this one
14:44<mason_>i do not have a extra hard drive.
14:45<leejongwook>it says, Keep in mind--the partition to be backed up should not be mounted. The partition you're backing up to should be mounted, though.
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14:46<leejongwook>i have extra :P you need other way to backup your linux
14:46<mason_>okay so that tells me that the mounted ones are only to be backed up and not to put the back up on
14:46<mason_>am i correct.
14:47<leejongwook>@_@ well, i made a mistake it's not for newbie
14:47<leejongwook>but you gotta know how to backup your linux 'cause in my case
14:47<leejongwook>i blew up my linux many times
14:47<mason_>how soo?
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14:48<leejongwook>um... went too deep inside maybe
14:48<mason_>whats dat suppose to mean lol
14:49<mason_>now if i were to go out and buy a external hard drive would that work?
14:49<leejongwook>what would you do if you made something wrong, spend another an hour to re-install your Debian?
14:50<leejongwook>try tar
14:50<leejongwook>start from tar command :P
14:50<leejongwook>Google tar :P
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14:50<leejongwook>you can backup your linux with tar command
14:51<leejongwook>it's one of mandatory command i think
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14:51<mason_>okay so where would it save the back up?
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14:52<leejongwook>anywhere :P
14:52<leejongwook>no need to buy an extra hdd
14:52<mason_>yea but what if i had the money to buy a extra hdd?
14:52<leejongwook>with tar command
14:52<leejongwook>up to you :P
14:52<mason_>100GB extneral hdd only costs like 30$ in radioshack
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14:53<mason_>would that do?
14:53<leejongwook>if you want :P
14:53<leejongwook>try tar first because your a newbie
14:53<leejongwook>for fun :P
14:53<mason_>okay how do i go about doing this
14:54*leejongwook watching my linux
14:55<leejongwook>okay.. :P im going to explain a little bit about tar
14:55<leejongwook>-x : extract
14:55<leejongwook>-z : zip :P
14:55<leejongwook>-f : given file name
14:55<leejongwook>-v : verbose
14:55<leejongwook>goto terminal and type
14:55<leejongwook>man tar
14:56<dpkg>[backup] something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression), or <lolcat1>
14:56<leejongwook>can you see the manual page ?
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14:57<mason_>what do you mean manual page?
14:57<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, rsnapshot is a filesystem snapshot utility, which creates incremental backups of local and remote filesystems, using hard links to save disk space. See also /usr/share/doc/rsnapshot/html/rsnapshot-howto.html and, or ask me about <rdiff-backup>.
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14:57<leejongwook>mason_, if you think that tar command is not that fun for now, try it later and find out applications you like from
14:57<mason_>yea i see manual
14:58<leejongwook>man <-- this is manual :P
14:58<leejongwook>and that's manual page
14:58<mason_>like i said i can wait to back up my system.
14:58<mason_>theres really nothing important on it,
14:59<leejongwook>yes :)
14:59<leejongwook>whenever you need, try it again then
14:59<mason_>explain this to me
14:59<mason_>if i get a external hdd
14:59<mason_>it will be mounted right
14:59<mason_>as soon as i plug it in.
14:59<mason_>so i can select it
14:59<leejongwook>you need to mount it manually
14:59<mason_>and run the back up program and then everythings well.
15:00<mason_>how to mount manually.
15:00<mason_>wait nvm
15:00<mason_>dont tell me now or ill forget
15:00<mason_>do you have a aim or hotmail?
15:00<leejongwook>@_@ yes
15:00<mason_>oki doki whats your aim?
15:01<leejongwook>do you have google messenger ?
15:01<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
15:01<leejongwook>well but my english is suck :P
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15:01<leejongwook>you can come back to #debian at anytime :P
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15:02<ml|>leejongwook: no need to get apps from getdeb when you have aptitude
15:03<edbian>I am running arch as a guest using virtual box on debian lenny. I can wget any of the servers but I can't seem to get a package using pacman. Any ideas? Do I need to set up something special for the network in debian?
15:03<mason_>ha but ur probably not gonna be here.
15:03<leejongwook>:P name of package is the issue
15:03<leejongwook> <-- google messenger :)
15:03<ml|>apt-cache or aptitude search works fine
15:03<leejongwook>but i dont use messenger that much :P
15:04<leejongwook>if you want you can email me :P i use email often :)
15:05<leejongwook>arch linux == a member of hardcore family
15:06<edbian>Well thank you for assuming I'm hardcore
15:06<edbian>But I can't figure this out! I don't think the problem has to do with arch since I can wget things and DNS resolves nicely. I can't seem to ping anything and I can't use pacman (arch package manager) to download files
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15:07<leejongwook>repo problem may be ?
15:07<edbian>It goes through different servers. When one fails it tries the next.
15:07<ansgar>edbian: Are there no error messages?
15:08<leejongwook>did i say something wired or wrong ? why mason_ left :P
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15:08<leejongwook>wondering why he left this room
15:09<edbian>error: failed retrieving file `<package-name>`from <server name> : Not Found
15:09<edbian>regardless of package or server
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15:10<edbian>but like I said before. wget works fine as does DNS resolution
15:10<edbian>pings however are also blocked
15:10<edbian>all the packets are inexcliably lost
15:11<vook>pacman is working fine here
15:11<lagenar>have you tried updating the package db?
15:11<lagenar>I think it is with -Ss
15:11<ml|>maybe a vbox issue?
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15:13<leejongwook>hmm.. i might broke someone's feelin with my bad english skill(mason)
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15:14<vook>frogger too !
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15:14<bremner>leejongwook: don't worry. 1) its probably not true. 2) he'll never find you :)
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15:25<leejongwook>bye ~ all see you next time :)
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15:25<leejongwook>see you all next time :P
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15:32<lagenar>what are supposed to be that bricks?
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15:45<Hideo>chai: we don't understand thai, would you please try in English?
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15:49<chai>hello Every body
15:49<edbian>How can I set a static ip using the nm-applet in debian lenny?
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16:39<Demosthenes>so umm... new to debian and linux, I just installed it on my laptop, can anyone tell me what do download to enable my wifi?
16:39<Demosthenes>of if there is a specialized wifi thing for my laptop
16:40<dr|z3d>Demosthenes: Look up driver support for your adapter. First thing. Google is key. Then determine if you might need to use ndiswrapper.
16:40<bremner>Demosthenes: wicd or netwok-manager are popular gui things
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16:41<bremner>after you have a driver
16:41<dr|z3d>bremner: He needs to enable driver support I suspect before he gets there.
16:41<dpkg>The 'wireless-tools' package provides utilities for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions, including iwconfig and iwlist. It also provides wireless-* ifupdown hooks to /etc/network/interfaces, read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for more information.
16:41<Demosthenes>alright connected with ethernet
16:41<Demosthenes>i assume wireless-tools is on synaptic?
16:42<Demosthenes>hmm according to synaptic wireless-tools is already installed
16:43<vook>Demosthenes: man iwlist - man iwconfig
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16:47<edbian>I was looking at my DHCP clients table on my router's web interface page. Why is my debian system not reporting its own hostname?
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16:48<ml|>Demosthenes: if you want more info on debian/linux type the following in your irc client /msg dpkg grounding /msg dpkg selftell /msg dpkg reference
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17:16<Agent_bob>ok i'm back. with this error message. "/init: exec: line 227: run-init: Permission denied \n Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
17:17<Agent_bob>that's the common problem with all debian kernels that i try to boot ^
17:17<Agent_bob>what's the common solution ?
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17:31<Agent_bob>and would/could hal cause that ?
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17:35<loudergood>that's weird
17:35<loudergood>and pre-hal
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17:42<Agent_bob>any thoughts ?
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17:48<debuser4235>Agent_bob: you could use the debian eeepc custom installer to do a fresh install, it's 16MB and you only need a usb stick
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17:52<Thac>A quick poll, which fs is most optimal for having alot of files in a single directory? We're talking 50 000 files+
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17:54<Agent_bob>Thac: the other one.... ;/
17:56<Thac>Come again Agent_bob?
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17:57<Agent_bob>which ever one you have, it's always the other one that you want
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17:59<Thac>Eh, now that's quite the answer Agent_bob ^^;
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18:00<Agent_bob>Thac i haven't personally used ext4 but the push is 'ext4' being unexperanced with it i wasn't going to reccomend it
18:01<Thac>Hmm, I've been reading a bit more around on wiki and it would seem JFS or XFS is the most optimal
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18:12<Agent_bob>so nobody can say "oh, that looks like ..." which might point me at something i haven't thought of yet ?
18:12<Thac>Repeat your question Agent_bob
18:12<Agent_bob>ok i'm back. with this error message. "/init: exec: line 227: run-init: Permission denied \n Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
18:12<Agent_bob>that's the common problem with all debian kernels that i try to boot ^
18:12<Agent_bob>what's the common solution ?
18:13<Agent_bob> ^ repeated for thac ^
18:13<bremner>Agent_bob: seriously, you need to run debsums to elimnate possible corruption
18:15<Demosthenes>odd madwifi stuff is not in synaptic
18:15<Agent_bob>bremner i will check on installing "debsums" as soon as the reload is done.
18:15<Demosthenes>i guess it's not on the repositories
18:15<bremner>Demosthenes: it is in non-free, you have to add that you your sources.list
18:15<dpkg>methinks non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see
18:16<bremner>!tell Demosthenes -about non-free sources
18:16<Demosthenes>thanks bremner
18:16<bremner>you're welcome
18:16<Thac>Can't say it rings any bells Agent_bob
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18:17<Thac>Best thing I can do is to ask you to start standard troubleshooting, determine if it's HW caused, SW caused etc
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18:19<Knorrie>hi i've got a problem with my thinkpad t41 laptop running debian testing, no sound,
18:19<Knorrie>alsamixer 'works' and i can turn up the volumes there, but still no audible sound
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18:20<Knorrie>i dont know where to look now, because everything 'seems' to be allright
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18:24<debuser4235>Agent_bob: mount your root partition and search for "run-init" and see what permisions does it have
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18:31<debuser4235>also check permisions for /sbin/init
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18:32<Agent_bob>debuser4235 ok. but you do see that it's line 227 of the run-init script that is getting the permission denied error no?
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18:34<Agent_bob>debuser4235 rwxr-xr-x both times
18:34<debuser4235>on my system run-init is not script
18:34<debuser4235>not a script
18:34<Agent_bob>debuser4235 and ownership is 0:0 both files
18:35<debuser4235>does it boot with "single" boot param?
18:36<Agent_bob>debuser4235 no. it doesn't boot at all, reguardless what params but the ubuntu kernel boots fine in any runlevel ;/
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18:40<debuser4235>what's the 227 line of /etc/init.d/rc ?
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18:48<Thac>debuser4235, let me fire up my system and I'll check
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18:50<debuser4235>I wanted to see if he has a similar file... in my system, line 227 of /etc/init.d/rc contains nothing important
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19:14<K0BO-LT>where is the best place to set a global variable in lenny?
19:14<ml|>where does apt keep the info/files when apps get installed?
19:15<ml|>can't remenber atm ^
19:16<Knorrie>dpkg does, in /var/lib/dpkg/info
19:16<dpkg>Knorrie: bugger all, i dunno
19:16<themill>ml|: dpkg keeps them not apt; /var/lib/dpkg/info
19:16<Agent_bob>ml| /var/lib/dpkg
19:17*K0BO-LT sets classpath in rc.local
19:17<K0BO-LT>should be a better place
19:18*Agent_bob lags
19:18<themill>K0BO-LT: nothing in debian should require the classpath to be set
19:18<K0BO-LT>the sun JDK and netbeans does
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19:19<K0BO-LT>it could just be netbeans what-s POS
19:19<Agent_bob>what's "classpath" ?
19:19<K0BO-LT>what-a POS that is
19:20<K0BO-LT>classpath sets the places for the compilor to look for .jar files
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19:20<ml|>ok thank you, guess that is not what i'm lokking for, i remember i once had a problem with a package and i edited a file to tell dpkg/apt that it was removed, but can remember thought it was there /var/lib/dpkg/info/ but it does not look like the right place
19:20<themill>K0BO-LT: the debian netbeans-ide package? or are you grabbing it from upstream?
19:21<K0BO-LT>upstream /me didn;t know there was a debian package heheh
19:21<K0BO-LT>I'll try that
19:21<K0BO-LT>thank you themill
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19:21<themill>judd versions netbeans-ide
19:22<judd>themill: netbeans-ide -- lenny/contrib: 6.0.1+dfsg-2 sid/contrib: 6.0.1+dfsg-2 squeeze/contrib: 6.0.1+dfsg-2
19:22<themill>K0BO-LT: ^^ it might be a little out of date though; the java guys are having trouble beating stuff into shape of late
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19:22<vantorso>Hi guys
19:23<K0BO-LT>k I'm not using it hard-core
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19:24<loudergood>yeah...I use the downloaded version...maintaining it that way doesn't make me happy, but it works
19:24<vantorso>I got one question, I use a macbook and its the first time i install debian on a mac, and i was curious what version i shall download. I have a intel 2.4 duo core chip in it... my friend told me i shall dl the amd64 version but i am not quite sure about that :D
19:24<loudergood>and it's relatively easy to install
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19:25<loudergood>how much ram?
19:27<vvas>vantorso: both the i386 and the amd64 versions will work, but the amd64 version will take better advantage of the amount of memory you have
19:28<vantorso>Thanks alot :)! One more: The i386 V has 1 cd and the amd64 has 5, how much space does the amd version take! I just dont want to make a too small partition :D
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19:28<vantorso>that would def, mess up everything haha
19:29<vvas>vantorso: for either you're better off only getting the netinst CD so that then you'll only download the packages you'll actually install
19:30<vvas>vantorso: the space you need depends on what you're going to install obviously
19:30<vvas>what size did you have in mind more or less?
19:30<vantorso>between 10 and 40 ;P
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19:31<vantorso>Does the netinstal work on osx?
19:31<vvas>if the regular install CD works, the netinstall works too
19:32<vantorso>just curious about the fact, that itll dl the files from the net!
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19:32<vvas>my root partition here says:
19:32<vvas>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
19:32<vvas>/dev/sda2 27G 11G 15G 42% /
19:32<ml|>6gb for / should be plenty unless yuo plan to install a lot of suff, and create a sperate /home
19:32<vvas>i'd say 20-40, disk space is cheap after all
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19:33<vantorso>Okay great :)
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19:34<vantorso>Thanks for your help guys... looked all over the internet... nothing is quicket than good old irc :D
19:34<ml|>vvas: what do you mean by 'cheap'?
19:35<ml|>haha nvm finally hit me duh
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19:37<vvas>ml|: well, if you've got a 500GB disk (which is fairly standard these days), it doesn't really matter much if / is going to be 10 or so or 40...
19:37<vantorso><- neurotic ;p
19:37<vantorso>i got 1tb multimedia and like 4tb normal hdd and externals :E
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19:38<ml|>true, i prefer to use that space for home and not let it go towaste unless you use lvm or plan to use that space up
19:38<vantorso>Na i just want to use it for small stuff... since this is my "on the rocks" laptop...
19:39<vantorso>i do other work on my other laptops and pc's n macs
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19:40<ml|>vvas: btw no 500gb drives here ;(
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19:43<exn>hello guys, here is general channel, I mean any questions related to debian ?
19:43<vvas>ml|, you can get an 1TB drive for around $80 (internal, a bit more for external) ;^)
19:44<ml|>dpkg: tell exn about ask
19:45<ml|>vvas: yes that is good :)
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19:45<exn>I'm connected to local network where all routes must be retrivied via ospf. what is easily way to run ospf on debian to receive routes to my pc ?
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19:46<exn>windoes gets it out of the box
19:46<exn>I think debian can do it easy too
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19:47<bremner>exn: not sure, but maybe package quagga can help
19:48<vvas>usually people i knew that needed ospf would run the quagga daemon
19:49<exn>I have some problems with understanding quagga. there cisco like syntax, and I do something wrong because it not works. have anybody examples of configuration files for ospf for debian ?
19:50<bremner>exn: did you try google? That is how I found quagga
19:50<adb>exn: ask #networking on
19:52<bremner>exn: also see
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19:55<K0BO-LT>arg first reboot since initial install and it's hung on "loading kernel modules"
19:56<K0BO-LT>but boots in single-user mode
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19:59<K0BO-LT>one of the packages I installed must be foobar
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20:08*K0BO-LT looks at netbeans or emacs as the culprit
20:08<Guest199>Hello, Could someone help me to install a multifunctional Epson TX300F ?
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20:24<DebianFan>which is the prefer bit torrent client on debian ?
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20:25<diego>I have some problems with my dns
20:26<diego>my isp is doing nasty stuff ... and I dont like to use only opendns cause they also do it
20:26<diego>when a domain does not exist they will resolve to an IP they own
20:26<diego>and opendns is doing it too, what do you recommend
20:27<diego>I would like a program to check with multiple dns and make a whois and give a warning if the DNS differ
20:27<Slurb>why is that a problem
20:27<diego>cause I would like to check Im connecting to the right place
20:27<diego>I dont like people in the middle :P
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20:28<Slurb>diego thats what dns servers do
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20:29<diego>yeah, I would like to be sure dns are not redirecting me elsewhere
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20:35<Slurb>there is no way to do what you are saying
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20:36<Slurb>you have to rely on dns servers upstream no matter what
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20:37<Slurb>you cant have a dns server that doesnt communicate with othe dns servers
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20:39<Slurb>all of the dns names in your dns servers database have to come from another dns server anyway
20:39<vook>diego - there are many DNS servers to choose from.
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20:40<Slurb>your isp is usually the best choice
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20:41<vook>slurb, there is something called a root server.
20:41<Slurb>a root server still must query othe dns
20:42<Slurb>a dns server is just a gateway
20:42<Slurb>it connects a with b
20:42<vook>Slurb: a DNS server is a database server
20:42<Slurb>and it gets a and b addresses from a's dns server and b's dns server respectively
20:43<Slurb>vook you cannot create a dns server that "knows" all domains ip's
20:44<vook>Slurb: where do you get this information ?
20:44<Slurb>it must build its database from other dns servers
20:44<vook>true, but the database remains intact
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20:45<Slurb>but what he wants is to not rely on outside dns
20:45<Slurb>and that is not possible unless you just connect to ip's
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20:47<demios>so far so good
20:47<demios>now what am i missing
20:48<demios>this is so damn fantastic
20:48<demios>the os feels so light with gnome
20:48<Guest199>Hello, Could someone help me to install a multifunctional Epson TX300F ?
20:48<demios>every other distro i've tried has felt bulky
20:49<demios>ahh that's it
20:49<demios>my resolution is not quite right
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20:56<demios>how how do i get x to detect all available resolutions for my monitor?
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21:02<mpurcell>Hey, in debian sid why won't openssh-client use ssh-agent?
21:03<mpurcell>was this patched out in favor of a different package?
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21:03<Freddy>hello. what other editores besides nano and vim can i use to edit source list
21:04<dmoerner>Freddy: any editor can be used so long as you have root privileges when invoking it
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21:05<Freddy>i am linux noob. what others one are there?
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21:06<Freddy>vim is acting wierd, i paste and half of what is past is messed up
21:06<dmoerner>Freddy: emacs is the other big terminal editor, if you'd like a graphical editor you can check out gedit or kwrite
21:06<nono>it's so enorme we're all noob
21:06<dmoerner>vim treats indentation weirdly in copy/paste in the default configuration
21:06<vook>demios: try X -configure (after /etc/init.d/gdm stop) man Xvidtune
21:06<les>Freddy: in command mode: set paste
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21:07<Freddy>les ?? huh
21:07<Freddy>what is set paste
21:07<les>in vim You can set a paste mode
21:07<mpurcell> <--- Here is an example of the problem I am having.
21:07<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
21:08<les>so that vim isn't messing up, what You are pasting
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21:08<Freddy>what is "set paste" is it a function or command or what?
21:08<les>a command
21:08<Freddy>i am using putty
21:09<mpurcell>Freddy, if you are a linux newbie, I don't think you want to use Vim
21:09<les>clearly: its a command in vim
21:09<Freddy>so i use this? set paste vim /etc/apt/sources.list
21:09<Freddy>give me something easier, cause it cant get nano to isntall or run
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21:09<les>use some other editor, its easier
21:09<Thac>I'll be off then I guess :D
21:10<mpurcell>That will be fine
21:10<mpurcell>gksu -u root gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
21:10<mpurcell>Run that in your prompt
21:10<mpurcell>Then get nano
21:10<nono>nano is the best
21:10<Freddy>E: Couldn't find package gedit
21:10<mpurcell>Now can anybody perhaps confirm this issue with ssh-agent and ssh not communicating.
21:11<mpurcell>Freddy: Next time don't break your sources
21:11<Freddy>-bash: gksu: command not found
21:11<mpurcell>... Consider installing the rest of your system.
21:11<mpurcell>Are you on KDE?
21:12<mpurcell>Or Gnome? Or XFCE? what
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21:12<craigevil>nano should be installed, Priority: important , i believe base installs it , but it maybe the Standard taskselect
21:13<mpurcell>Yes. It is even on the install medium
21:13<mpurcell>He is probably just trolling
21:13<K0BO-LT>Anyway to tell if an install mirror is bad before it's selected during the install? Locks up if you don't select a good mirror
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21:13<mpurcell>If the mirror is bad you will get bad signature verification
21:13<Freddy>i got a vps box
21:13<mpurcell>In which case, don't use it ;)
21:13<Freddy>vps server
21:13<mpurcell>Freddy: Then reprovision it
21:13<Freddy>came with debian server
21:14<Freddy>i am trying to ultily get freenx running to i can access gui
21:14<mpurcell>Well if it doesnt have nano its not properly installed. Contact your host.
21:14<mpurcell>we could help you get nano, but who knows what else is missing.
21:14<mpurcell>Your better off contacting your provider and complaining.
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21:16<Freddy>with root can i install ubuntu over debian?
21:16<nono>gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
21:16<vook>Freddy: please don't do that
21:16<mpurcell>Freddy: That is a pretty stupid idea.
21:16<Freddy>command not found nano
21:16<mpurcell>Right, he's trolling.
21:16<Freddy>looks like i got a bad version or something
21:16<nono>freddy: ubuntu.?
21:17<Freddy>what is trolling cell?
21:17<mpurcell>Causing mischief
21:17<Freddy>i cam here to get help, cause im having difficulties
21:17<mpurcell>acting difficult.
21:17<mpurcell>Debian comes with nano at the most basic level
21:17<Freddy>that is merily your opinion
21:17<mpurcell>You expect me to believe, you have FreeNX and Gnome, but not nano
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21:17<mpurcell>Not Gedit, nor anything else
21:18<mpurcell>stfu rtfm kthxbye
21:18<Freddy>what, i am trying to get freenx and gnome setup. that is my goal
21:18<les>apt-get update; apt-get install nano
21:18<mpurcell>he claims not to have any sources.
21:18<Freddy>i was given root from provider and nothing seems to be running....i think i will take your advice and have them reinstall
21:19<nono>aptitude install nano
21:19<vook>Freddy: the answer is no. You can place ubuntu repo's in your debian sources.list, but you'll wish you hadn't.
21:19<K0BO-LT>mpurcell, just-a note the cu denver mirror is bad .. will not time out or respond just hankgs
21:19<les>mpurcell: ok, than samething is really broken :)
21:20<Freddy>deb stable main contrib non-free
21:20<Freddy>is that the main source for debian
21:20<mpurcell>lol yeah
21:20<mpurcell>K0BO-LT: Ah
21:20<mpurcell>Freddy: Yes that would work fine
21:21<adb>Freddy: uname - r , says ?
21:21<adb>mpurcell: maybe a etch system
21:22<adb>so "stable" will hart here
21:22<mpurcell>Even etch though iirc contains nano.
21:23<mpurcell>And he apparently has a basic GUI setup as he stated earlier over NX or something of that degree.
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21:25<adb>judd: versions FreeNX
21:25<judd>adb: FreeNX --
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21:27<mpurcell>adb: do you any ssh-agent issues in sid?
21:28<nono>mpurcell:look on that
21:28<mpurcell>I don't use lenny
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21:28<craigevil>openssh-client: /usr/bin/ssh-agent
21:28<nono> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
21:29<nono>put that
21:29<mpurcell>craig: I have ssh-agent running
21:29<mpurcell>nono: I have to use unstable, im a developer
21:29<Freddy>how long have you guy been using debian or linux in general?
21:29<mpurcell>Since I was about.. 2000 here.
21:30<mpurcell>Err -I was
21:30<Freddy>I was on here yester day to asking similar questions. that sounds like a noob which I am, so turnes out i got a bad/corrupt install or something
21:30<nono>what is a developer?
21:30<mpurcell>nono: lol
21:31<Freddy>they already had plesk isntalled, when i got it, could that have anything to do why i cant run some basic fucntions?
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21:31<mpurcell>nono: I carve wooden software back ends out of glass ;P
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21:34<damiank>hi mpurcell
21:34<damiank>i just installed lenny
21:34<mpurcell>Nice weather?
21:34<pab>I'd like to encrypt my laptop's home partition. I've tried Truecrypt before but it's a pain in Debian. Curious as to what has worked for you. Suggestions?
21:34<nono>lenny allright
21:34<mpurcell>pab: dm-crypt
21:34<mpurcell>dpkg: search dm-crypt
21:34<dpkg>mpurcell: are you smoking crack?
21:34<mpurcell>.. not right now no
21:35<damiank>hi nono
21:35<damiank>i installed it in an old pc
21:35<kop>damiank: Hi. Been here before?
21:35<mpurcell>anywho, google dm-crypt pab, you'll be satisfied.
21:35<damiank>but works great
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21:35<damiank>kop yes
21:35<pab>mpurcell, looking it up now, thanks!
21:35<nono>ntfs-3g and no matter
21:35<Freddy>guys thanks for your help within couple days ill let you know if my problem is fixed, have a great weekend.
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21:36<mpurcell>you too freddy
21:36<damiank>im looking for a fast window manager to use in this pc
21:36<mpurcell>ntfs-3g does work pretty damn good, but don't ever use it for hosting large files *shudder*
21:36<damiank>which one would you recommend
21:36<mpurcell>I tried to run VMware on it
21:36<kop>damiank: can give you an overview, iirc.
21:36<damiank>kop i looked xfce and lxde
21:37<damiank>lxde seems to work great
21:37<dr|z3d>damiank: Stick with Xfce is my advice.
21:37<kop>damiank: I can't recommend anything, but am sure sick of gnome and kde.
21:37<adb>damiank: try icewm
21:37<damiank>kop gnome is very sloooow here
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21:37<dr|z3d>Xfce: all the goodness of gnome, without the bloat.
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21:38<dr|z3d>That's about as lightweight as I like to go.. anything lighter tends to be functionally sub-optimal.
21:38<nono>xfce : yeah but Gnome : YEAH
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21:39<damiank>ill try xfce
21:39<damiank>now im using lxde but lacks a couple of things
21:39<damiank>looks like a very promising manager
21:40<kop>nono: Gnome won't do virtual desktops where you can bump the mouse on the screen edge to switch. So it's a no-go for me. It's metacity to blame, but the goofy gnome config system makes switching to another window manager (sawfish, etc) too clunky. I'm sick of it.
21:40<damiank>anyone here has tried both xfce and lxde?
21:40<kop>nono: I do love gdm though. :-)
21:41<nono>me too
21:41<damiank>i dont use virtual desktops too much but i do miss a recycle bin or something like that :)
21:41<nono>i like that: no bugs!!!
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21:41<kop>damiank: I find gui file managers clunky and don't use them.
21:42<dr|z3d>damiank: Sure, tried both.
21:42<dr|z3d>Xfce and LXDE, that is.
21:42<damiank>which one do you prefer?
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21:42<damiank>which one would work better on an old pc?
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21:43<dr|z3d>LXDE feels too amateur to me, too unpolished. Xfce, on the other hand, feels feature complete. I prefer it over gnome, regardless of the spec of the machine.
21:43<damiank>very old pc yes
21:43<damiank>from 1994
21:44<dr|z3d>Not that old, then.
21:44<dr|z3d>How much ram?
21:44<kop>damiank: This was fun, you might want to try it:
21:44<kop>aptitude search '~Gwindow-manager'
21:44<dr|z3d>Plenty enough for Xfce, 256.
21:44<damiank>it has a 4mb video board
21:44<mpurcell>For years my NAT was a nice old P3. (with a boat load of memory tho)
21:44<damiank>and a pII-300mhz processor
21:44<nono>no matter with xfce !!
21:45<dpkg>Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. Backported 4.6.1 packages are available, ask me about <bpo>. Squeeze users: Missing icons in your menu? See bug #526171 in the <BTS>. #xfce on
21:45<kop>damiank: I'm using a machine just like that as a Xserver to drive my graphics.
21:45<kop>damiank: I like it becuase it has no fan and no noise. The client machine is in the basement.
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21:46<damiank>im now using lxde and works fast hope xfce does it too
21:46<mpurcell>and occassional he pipes random data into /dev/dsp when it gets too quite.
21:46<kop>damiank: I look forward to someday trying google's fork of nx. (I forget the name.)
21:46<damiank>ill try it tonight
21:47<nono>aptitude insall xfce4
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21:47<damiank>nono yeah i know :)
21:47<nono>do it$
21:48<kop>mpurcell: Thanks. I'll wait for it to be in stable. (I like my machines to just work. :-)
21:48<mpurcell>lol np
21:49<nono>still DRE
21:49<kop>mpurcell: (Any idea what the /p/ is doing in the url?)
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21:49<mpurcell>Nope, copy/pased it
21:49<nono>what's a KOP?
21:49<kop>nono: Initials.
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21:50<nono>i'm a french guy
21:50<mpurcell>nono: men with hats that will arrest u
21:50<nono>no matter
21:51<damiank>i have to go for a while...
21:51<damiank>cya later
21:52<kop>damiank: I also hear good things about fluxbox, IIRC.
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21:52<nono>kop is the best!!!
21:55<nono>aptitude install listen
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21:56<nono>i need holidays
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21:59<nono>google bombing: le trou du cul du web
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22:01<dr|z3d>googlebombing: an endeavour only fit for asshats (rough translation).
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22:04<nono>oki it's so funny!!!
22:04<nono>ah ah ah ah
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22:05*dr|z3d poignarde nono.
22:05<dr|z3d>!lart nono
22:05*dpkg whips out a sword and chops nono in half
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22:06<sney`>if only they had dpkg in Oz
22:06<sney`>dpkg -i a heart
22:06<dpkg>package a heart is already installed
22:06<sney`>dpkg -i a brain
22:06<dpkg>package a brain is already installed
22:06<sney`>dpkg -i buttocks
22:06*dpkg installs buttocks into sney`'s head with a bone saw and a few screws
22:07<sney`>well, now I'm an asshat. I guess that was inevitable
22:07<Slurb>dpkg -i asshat
22:07<dpkg>package asshat is already installed
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22:08<sney`>dpkg -i courage
22:08<dpkg>package courage is already installed
22:08<Slurb>dpkg -i turd
22:08*dpkg installs turd into slurb's head with a bone saw and a few screws
22:09<Slurb>now im a shithead
22:10<nono>it's a jok
22:10<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
22:11<nono>nono is so sorry
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22:13<nono>nono like humour
22:13<nono>nono like debian
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22:15<K0BO-LT>mpurcell, not having a good night - now hanging at "select and install software" progress bar. stuck at %5 last half hour. Is it me?
22:16*K0BO-LT can ping puter
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22:18<mpurcell>What server K0BO?
22:18<mpurcell>I can try apt-updating
22:19<K0BO-LT>u. of wisc
22:19<mpurcell>Some of the servers do hang... someone explained it well too. Forgot the reason.
22:19<mpurcell>I never have problems with internap
22:19<K0BO-LT>k i'll try that one
22:20*K0BO-LT shakes fist at cheese-heads
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22:21<nono>dr|z3d: i'm not a bad guy
22:21<mpurcell>K0BO-LT: I didnt have any issues apt-get update'ing from UoW
22:21<K0BO-LT>same here tis is my third install too
22:21<K0BO-LT>first two went withoutissue
22:22<K0BO-LT><- new to debian
22:22<K0BO-LT>former RH guy
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22:22<mpurcell>Let me see if I can research again what the solution I found before was
22:23<K0BO-LT>I'm only going to install desktop and skip mail/web server stuff
22:23<K0BO-LT>I'll apt-get them in later
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22:25<mpurcell>I can't remember how I solved it, but try apt-get clean/autoclean
22:25<mpurcell>Don't remember.
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22:26<mpurcell>*shrugs and wonders off to continue wondering wtf ssh wont use ssh-agent...*
22:26<mpurcell>So far i've been injecting printf() shouts in the source and it looks like my ssh-key is out of date :(
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22:36<mpurcell>I don't have SSH_ENV set. and ~/.ssh/environment is non-existant
22:37<mpurcell>it is connecting to ssh-agent, and it doesnt seem to mind offering up the key according to all of the printf()'s I have injected.
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22:49<nono>i'm looking for the music for debian (pure music) ;-)
22:50<nono>so: bob dylan
22:51<nono>Girl from the North Country
22:52<dr|z3d>nono: nicotine is your friend.
22:53<dr|z3d>(aptitude install nicotine)
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22:53<nono>aptitude install vibrations
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22:59<nono>what's about nicotine?
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23:32<avu>rodrigo, please don't send me private messages
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23:44<rufensis>Anyone have a good recommendation for a media player that can be managed well in terminal with ssh to a media server?
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23:55<rufensis>thanks, let me check it out. can you build a playlist in freevo
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23:57<rufensis>nono: i'm mainly interested in using something to manage music playlists
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