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---Logopened Sun Aug 02 00:00:10 2009
00:00<RonJon>hello people, does a fellow named "dennycrane" or "phpdad" come around here?
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00:01<jazzanova>hello, how do I test my debconf script?
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00:05<southernx>anyone know how to get procmail/courier/postfix to use Maildir so i can read mail from icedove as its currently using mbox...
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00:07<jazzanova>is there a debian developer channel ?
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00:14<jazzanova>i read it
00:14<jazzanova>it says that for testing I can just run the config script
00:15<jazzanova>but it gives me errors, if I run as non-root it says it can't open files. If I run as root, it tells me it can't exec my config script.
00:16<jazzanova>plus, when I build the package, it doesn't pick up the config stript. Do I need to list it somewhere ? How is it picked up ?
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00:17<jazzanova>or do I have to add it to postint script ?
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00:20<jazzanova>apache ?
00:20<jazzanova>what about apache
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00:22<jazzanova>is this the only debian chanel ?
00:22<dpkg>i heard debian is See
00:23<dr|z3d>jazzanova: No, there are others. What are you looking for?
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00:23<jazzanova>looking for someone experienced making debian packages
00:23<jazzanova>is there a debian maintainers channel ?
00:23<nono>sorry .Could it be that it is because tmp/target/tmp gets mounted noexec?
00:24<dr|z3d>Yeah, possibly. Hang here until someone points you in the right direction.
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00:25<manphiz>jazzanova: maybe try #debian-mentors
00:26<nono>Mounting /tmp as noexec is often reported as good security measure
00:26<nono>i'm so noobs...
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00:43<RickZilla>Hi there, just checking to see if this thing is on. For some reason I can't get into Freenode tonight.
00:44<sney`>freenode is inferior anyway
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00:44<sney`>seriously though, I connected about an hour ago
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00:45<RickZilla>Thanks sney, I had some questions to ask in the ubuntu channel, now I can't
00:45<sney`>are they generic apt or linux usage questions
00:46<RickZilla>pretty much just newbie questions, not sure if they're ubuntu specific or not
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00:46<sney`>well, ask away and I'll see what I can do
00:47<RickZilla>I'd like to put a short cut to my home folder right on my desktop...should be easy enough, but apparently I'm missing something
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00:49<nono>Rickzilla; metacity?
00:50<sney`>whatever ubuntu's default is. I think that's metacity. I'm surprised there isn't one by default
00:50<sney`>I thought ubuntu came with the little house right there
00:50<sney`>well anyway RickZilla, if you can create a shortcut icon, the path is just ~
00:50<RickZilla>sney: Thanks I'll check it out
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01:01<dark1weee>i'm new with linux, just installed debian on eeepc900, and trying to install software from source code. i'm getting an error and havnt figured it out. where do i go to ask about this?
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01:14<southernx>whats the error ?
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01:16<dark1weee>starts like the following, then goes on
01:16<dark1weee>In file included from SystemPrecompiled.h:9:
01:16<dark1weee>GraphicUserInterface.h:33: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of ‘wxHyperlinkCtrl’ with no type
01:16<southernx>what are you trying toc ompile ?
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01:19<southernx>what are you using sidux/ lenny ?
01:20<southernx>apt-get install libncurses5-dev gcc-4.1 debhelper devscripts dpatch || apt-get -f install
01:20<southernx>run that
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01:22<southernx>also your gonna need headers file
01:22<southernx>kernel headers*
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01:23<dark1weee>i am kinda new at this, do i get it via the synaptic program?
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01:23<southernx>install the headers that pertain to your arch
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01:25<southernx>here just run this
01:25<dark1weee>just found it in synaptic
01:25<southernx>as they are all prerec's
01:25<southernx>apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` linux-source-2.6.24 libfuse-dev libgtk2.0-dev
01:26<southernx>linux source being whatever kernwel you have
01:26<dark1weee>as in 2.6.26?
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01:26<southernx>uname -a
01:26<southernx>or uname -r
01:27<dark1weee>so i did choose the right one...
01:28<southernx>apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` linux-source-2.6.26 libfuse-dev libgtk2.0-dev
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01:30<southernx>done ?
01:30<dark1weee>do i still use linux-source-2.6.24 in the command, or change it to 26?
01:30<southernx>just use last post
01:31<dark1weee>Package linux-source-2.6.24 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
01:31<southernx>i said last post
01:31<southernx>apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` linux-source-2.6.26 libfuse-dev libgtk2.0-dev
01:31<dark1weee>lol, missed it...
01:32<southernx>when your done
01:32<southernx>cd /tmp
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01:35<southernx>hang on just messed my desktop up
01:35<dark1weee>not a problem... its still going
01:36<dark1weee>never mind, just finished... i'll wait though, no prob
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01:36<southernx>brb and ill help you the rest of the way
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02:15<dark1weee>morning to you too
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02:27<dark1weee>bummer. southernx still not back and i got a different error...
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02:46<beer>I am wondering, since koffice 1.6 is no longer in sid will it also be droped in squeeze? Or is Koffice 2 going the be in squeeze?
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02:54<dehqan>good day every body ,i'll be thankful if you guide ,after installing packages firmware-iwlwifi debian-multimedia-keyring kwifimanager wifi-radar ,debian says > # iwconfig wlan0 wlan0 No such device
02:54<dehqan>system is thnikpad R61 ,debian 5 kernel 2.6.18
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02:56<gsimmons>dehqan: You are using Debian 5.0 (Lenny) with the 2.6.18 kernel?
02:56<nono>ndisutils (1.9) & ndiswrapper?
02:56<dehqan>yes kernel is not upgarded
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02:59<dehqan>hsfmodem free driver work in kernel 2.6.18 so i have been implled to use that kernel .
03:01<gsimmons>dpkg: hsf
03:01<dpkg>[hsf] a pure software modem chipset family produced by Conexant (formerly Rockwell). Free (limited to 14.4Kbps data) and non-free drivers for HSF devices are available from Linuxant: . See also <winmodem>.
03:01<gsimmons>dehqan: You're referring to the above driver?
03:03<dehqan>what do you mean gsimmons ?
03:03<gsimmons>dehqan: IIRC, the HSF driver compiles on 2.6.26 without issue, I'll just confirm this.
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03:05<dehqan>yes but dell co. site contain some free driver up to 56 kbps speed
03:05<dehqan>dell driver does not work on 2.6.26
03:05<dehqan>anyway ,how can wlan0 problem be fixed?
03:08<gsimmons>dehqan: It can be fixed by using a Debian stock 2.6.26 kernel image, as the iwlwifi and ath5k drivers are included in mainline kernels. If your wireless LAN device is draft-n, you'll need to use the ath9k driver (in 2.6.27-rc3 and later), which can be provided via a backported kernel image.
03:09<dehqan>see kernel is 2.6.18
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03:17<dehqan>so what is your opinion gsimmons with 2.6.18 ?
03:23<gsimmons>dehqan: You will likely need to move away from it for support your wireless LAN device. For your information, version of the Conexant HSF softmodem driver appears to compile cleanly on 2.6.26. You'll need to speak to Dell regarding their HSF driver.
03:27<dehqan>version is free ? and can it be install manually in this kernel ?
03:28<dehqan>version is free ? and can wlan driver be install manually in this kernel ?
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03:29<dehqan>gsimmons lshw output >
03:29<dehqan>gsimmons: lshw output >
03:30<gsimmons>dehqan: The free driver is limited to 14.4Kbps data, you'll need to purchase the full HSF driver for 56K and fax. I don't understand your second question.
03:32<dehqan>in kernel 2.6.18 how can be worked wireless card ?
03:32<dehqan>in kernel 2.6.18, wireless card how can be worked?
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03:37<gsimmons>dehqan: Intel 3945ABG device support in oldstable was achieved through using the ipw3945 driver and ipw3945d binary regulatory daemon. These were removed from Debian post-Etch, due to the iwl3945 driver becoming available in mainline (2.6.24).
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03:41<dehqan>you mean now which driver should be used ?
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03:42<dehqan>with which command can PCI ID be seen ?
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03:44<dehqan>gsimmons:with which command can PCI ID be seen ?
03:44<gsimmons>dehqan: iwl3945 (iwlwifi) should be used wherever possible, as development of ipw3945 has ceased. Use "lspci -n" or "lspci -nn" to list PCI Ids.
03:45<dehqan>yes thanks so you mean kernel 2.6.18 does not contain iwlwifi ,so can it be manually installed ?
03:48<dehqan>gsimmons: yes thanks so you mean kernel 2.6.18 does not contain iwlwifi ,so can it be manually installed ?
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03:50<dehqan>gsimmons: thanks alot
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04:02<diego>Hi, I need to add a static arp entry in other subnet, how may I ?
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04:13<dark1weee>if southernx gets back and anyone remembers, thank him/her for the help provided. i stumbled around till i figured out how to finish making truecrypt
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04:14<dark1weee>but now i need to figure out how to make my normal user account be allowed how to mount an encrypted container
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05:56<screenn>anybody use evolution mail client?
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05:57<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
05:58<screenn>right, how to configure mail-notification for the evolution?
05:58<screenn>in gnome
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06:00<cahoot>mail-notification-evolution - evolution support for mail notification
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06:02<screenn>yeah, but when I'm choosing evolution in mail-notification unactive to add
06:02<screenn>and, I have installed both packages
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06:02<screenn>mail-notification and mail-notification-evolution
06:03<screenn>it was working before I've upgraded from stable to testing
06:04<screenn>oh, nice it works without any chosen mailboxes an clients with evolution!
06:06<screenn>I just reinstall packages and didn't any choises in the mail-notification configurations, and have started evolution with alltray, and have got a mail now! it works :)
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06:07<screenn>cahoot thanks
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06:19<acasa>hi all
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06:20<acasa>sorry to disturb
06:20<acasa>but i have some questions
06:21<acasa>i am new to ubuntu
06:21<acasa>i use xubuntu
06:21<acasa>is there any need for an antivirus or antimalware software
06:21<acasa>on the desktop edition
06:22<cahoot>acasa: you really should ask on #ubuntu ( - but the generic answer is - no
06:22<acasa>and i heard that no viruses,worms,troyans,malware,etc. cant harm an xubuntu desktop system
06:22<acasa>is it true
06:23<acasa>how about firewall's
06:24<acasa>if i dont have a firewall setup
06:24<cahoot>acasa: I've used linux for 15 years - never noticed anything indicating infection
06:24<acasa>can hackers do enithyng
06:24<acasa>wow cool
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06:28<acasa>cahoot : but did you used any firewall's
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06:36<cahoot>not for a desktop
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07:25<Woet>My application makes a lot of SSH connections, causing it to be slow as some SSH servers take several seconds to react
07:25<Woet>would a SSH tunnel speed this up?
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07:30<dr|z3d>Woet: Likely some DNS fixing would.
07:30<Woet>dr|z3d: could you elaborate?
07:30<dr|z3d>Woet: SSH does a (often unnecessary) DNS lookup before connecting to host.
07:31<Woet>dr|z3d: let me have a look
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07:32<kapil>Woet: you can "reuse" an ssh connection as long as it is between the same hosts. Look at "controlmaster" etc. in the man page for ssh_config
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07:32<Jaleks>how does one avoid that the line breaks are removed when one reads in the output of a program in bash? e.g. " FDISK=`fdisk -lu $1 2>/dev/null` " should keep the line breaks instead of putting it in one line
07:32<Woet>thank you too, kapil
07:33<themill>Woet: is this the ssh connections that you are using just to run things as a different user?
07:33<Woet>yes, but I can't use root :p
07:34<themill>Woet: as we said at the time, correctly configured sudo is what you need.
07:34<Woet>no, it's for remote purposes
07:34<wekt>dr|z3d: why unnecessary? because you use IP address?
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07:35<dr|z3d>wekt: If, for example, you're connecting to another machine on the internal network over SSH, a DNS lookup isn't necessary, for example.
07:35*dr|z3d postnukes extraneous "for example".
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07:36<Woet>which GLIBC version does debian 5 use again?
07:36<Woet>by default
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07:37<dr|z3d>Erm. 4.3?
07:37<Woet>:| 4.3?
07:37<Woet>isn't that a bit futuristic?
07:37<Woet>isn't it something like 2.3, 2.4 or 2.5
07:38<locklace>judd versions libc6
07:38<judd>locklace: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-23
07:38<dr|z3d>My bad.
07:38*dr|z3d wonders where he got 4.3 from.
07:39<Woet>i looked at the packages, but i really thought it was .3, .4 or .5
07:39<Woet>but that was etch then
07:39<wekt>dr|z3d: do you mean if it could get it from the hosts file?
07:39<dr|z3d>wekt: Sure, that would be quicker for oft-used hosts.
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07:39<wekt>A manual workaround is by using a host entry with an IP address in the SSH config file.
07:39<dr|z3d>wekt: Also, you could just connect to the host's ip, rather than its domain name.
07:40<dr|z3d>In any event, there's a setting to tweak to prevent SSH from automatically doing DNS lookups.
07:40<wekt>then you can use the alias in the config file rather than IP adress directly.
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07:41<Waxhead>I just tried grub2 on debian squeeze. After installing it to chainload with grub and verified that it worked (Except the vga= parameters) I decided to run the upgrade script and solve the vga stuff later. However since I'm incredible stupid I was a bit with the keyboard and did not select the partition grub2 was supposed to be installed to. Now I get Error 15 after loading Grub(1). Any ideas...
07:41<Waxhead>...on how to commit suicide?! ;)
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07:43<Jaleks>boot live cd chroot and fix
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07:50<Woet>dr|z3d: only improved the first connect, the ones behind them are still slow
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07:51<dr|zed>Woet: Hmm? What did you do?
07:51<Woet>the UseDNS off
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07:51<Woet>it improved the very first connect with speed, but that's all it did :p
07:51<Woet>the dns is cached afterwards
07:51<dr|zed>Ok. Great. That's phase one. Are you connecting to hosts via ip or domain name?
07:52<dr|zed>If the latter, consider some hosts entries for frequently used hosts.
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07:58<Gun_Smoke>Can I use apt pinning to downgrade a package? I do not like the current version of amarok in Sid. I miss my podcasts and nice integration of my mp3 device.
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07:59<Gun_Smoke>I was thinking to include a squeeze repo in my lists and aptitude -f squeeze install amarok . Right train of thought?
07:59<jackyf>Gun_Smoke: kind of, try it
08:00<Gun_Smoke>jackyf, right on.. better off with main or multimedia do you think?
08:01<jackyf>main or multimedia - what? repos?
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08:01<Gun_Smoke>yes, for amarok..
08:02<Gun_Smoke>I'm 90% sure it's in main, but wondering about some dependencies for libs
08:04<dr|z3d>Gun_Smoke: Heavily reliant on KDE libs, Amarok. Are you using Gnome?
08:04<Gun_Smoke>dr|z3d, yes, but I love amarok.
08:04<dr|z3d>Gun_Smoke: Tried exaile?
08:05<Gun_Smoke>and my npr podcasts it used to fetch.
08:05<Gun_Smoke>dr|z3d, no never heard of it.
08:05<dr|z3d>Exaile is the feature equivalent media player for Gtk.
08:05<dr|z3d>aptitude install exaile
08:05<Gun_Smoke>fetch podcasts?
08:05<dr|z3d>Worth a look, perhaps.
08:05<dr|z3d>Sure, should do.. give it a look!
08:06<Gun_Smoke>on it's way down now...
08:06<dr|z3d>You might also be interested in checking Songbird.
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08:07<Gun_Smoke>I was really taken back by just about everything that has been taken out of amarok. Its as simple as some cell phone music players.
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08:13<Woet>kapil: i'm trying the controlmaster one, but it doesn't seem to work
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08:13<Woet>it's not speeding up, it's not creating the controlpath file and it's not prompting me when i change 'auto' to 'autoask'
08:16<Woet>ohh, nevermind
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08:25<Woet>kapil: it works as shell user, but not in my application
08:25<Woet>my application uses libssh2, i think that library doesn't read or honor .ssh/config
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08:28<alokat>hey guys! i'm using debian lenny and some times if i change an config file (apache2.conf, aliases.conf etc) debian is creating a file named 1. which contains the content of the conf file, befor changing! can someone tell me why?
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08:29<Jaleks>anyone noticed my (hopefully) simple question above? (an hour ago) still can't figure it out...
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08:30<Woet>alokat: that's caused by nano
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08:30<alokat>hhhmmm but i use vim
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08:31<alokat>is there a chance to stop this
08:34<weasel>alokat: I'd guess it's your editor and not debian
08:34<weasel>try using a different editor?
08:35<bremner>Jaleks: maybe try #bash on freenode for bash programming help
08:35*bremner switches to perl as soon as he gets confused by posix shell scripts
08:35<bremner>then I can get _really_ confused :)
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08:38<andreas>aokat whjats the touble?
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08:40<Waxhead>What's the (fastest) best way to boot the debian rescue cd from a USB stick?!
08:43<tanc0ng>choose the most expensive usb :D
08:43<alokat>andreas: the problem is, if i change a config file und vim creates a file named 1 which contains the config before i've changed it. the thing is, if i restart a service (apache) i've two config files
08:43<Waxhead>tanc0ng: good one hehe ;) ... but is it just a matter of writing the iso image directly to the usb ?
08:44<Waxhead>...err the conent of the iso
08:44<andreas>alokat: use emacs
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08:45<tanc0ng>what is the matter with u?
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08:48<Jaleks>bremner: alright, thx
08:49<vvas>Jaleks: can you repeat your question?
08:49<Jaleks>how does one avoid that the line breaks are removed when one reads in the output of a program in bash? e.g. " FDISK=`fdisk -lu $1 2>/dev/null` " should keep the line breaks instead of putting it in one line
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08:50<alokat>okay thanks for help ... i try and post if it works better
08:51<vvas>hm, you could maybe try using "read" instead of the backticks
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08:53<vvas>Jaleks: ok, found it. just include the backticks in double quotes
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08:54<vvas>FDISK="`fdisk -lu $1 2>/dev/null`"
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08:57<Jaleks>unfortunately that does not make any difference here, i still get the whole table in one line
08:58<alokat>emacs causes swap file (test.conf~)
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08:59<cmatei>(setq make-backup-files nil)
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09:02<Jaleks>oh, but putting $FDISK in double quotes later does the trick, i knew it would be easy ^^
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09:27<alokat>it causes test.conf~ files again, after i added "setq make-backup-files nil" in my ~/.emacs
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09:30<bremner>alokat: probably using emacs just avoid backup files is a bad strategy, but if you want to learn emacs, #emacs on freenode is the place
09:30*bremner never has stray backup files from nano
09:30<cmatei>alokat: it shouldn't. but see above :-)
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09:31<cmatei>oh btw, the parens are required...
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09:44<mihkel>Hi. For the last few days there is some depency conflict in unstable:
09:44<mihkel>Is there something I can do to solve it or is it best to wait for the package maintainers to fix it?
09:45<Slurb>mihkel why are you upgrading?
09:46<mihkel>that is what I always to in sid
09:46<mihkel>every few days
09:46<mihkel>always do*
09:46<Slurb>well upgrading can be dangerous
09:46<Slurb>in unstable
09:46<Slurb>if it works in unstable dont fix it
09:46<Slurb>you may break it
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09:48<Slurb>and dependancy problems usually take a while to get fixed
09:48<Slurb>sometimes its quick though
09:49<Slurb>'i waited for wine for too long and eventually went back to lenny
09:49<Slurb>unstable is called unstable for a reason
09:50<Slurb>but if you have the support you need there is no need tu upgrade accept for security purposes
09:51<Slurb>and i would try sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
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09:53<Slurb>if needed
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09:57<xsbyme>hello all i'm new to debian
09:58*Waxhead hits enter to fast
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09:58<Waxhead>I am stuck with "reinstalling" grub. I posted the details here
09:59<xsbyme> i installed debian from a dvd can but when i want to add package it awlays ask for cd,s eny body know how i can change that ?
10:00<dvs>xsbyme: Edit the /etc/apt/sources.list and take out the lines that refer to DVD
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10:00<dr|z3d>xsbyme: Sure, set up your sources correctly.
10:01<dr|z3d>And what dvs said.
10:01<dr|z3d>xsbyme: You could use Synaptic to do that, if you're more comfortable with a gui.
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10:03<xsbyme>dvs like this ?
10:03<xsbyme>eb lenny main
10:03<xsbyme>deb-src lenny main
10:04<dvs>I'd add "contrib non-free" to the end myself but that's up to you
10:04<abrotman>should have a security line?
10:04<dvs>you're asking us?
10:04<xsbyme>yes i have security line
10:05<xsbyme>not quite new to linux only to deb used gentoo before
10:05<xsbyme>dvs whats contrib non-free
10:05<dpkg>it has been said that non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see
10:06<ml|>dpkg: tell xsbyme about sources.list
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10:08<ml|>dpkg: tell xsbyme about contrib
10:08<dvs>it works now?
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10:12<Slurb>i would add backports and multimedia too
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10:13<Slurb>get the full effec t of debian
10:13<ml|>xsbyme: using lenny?
10:13<xsbyme>trying to install kde
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10:15<ml|>i agree with Slurb dmm and backports would be useful, but it's up tp you, want more info on that?
10:15<ml|>dpkg: tell xsbyme about dmm
10:16<ml|>dpkg: tell xsbyme about dmm lenny
10:16<ml|>dpkg: tell xsbyme about bpo
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10:19<ml|>dpkg: tell xsbyme about install kde
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10:19<xsbyme>ml| whats packports exetaclty
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10:21<ml|>dpkg: tell xsbyme about backports
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10:22<ml|>that explains better than i would have
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10:25<ml|>xsbyme: to use the bot yourself just do /msg dpkg factiod
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10:27<Jaleks>Waxhead and a 'grub-probe --help' was no help?
10:28<Waxhead>Jaleks: grub-probe does not work (yeah good explaination) because /dev/sda does not exist after chrooting
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10:31<Jaleks>and there is no way to force it? or maybe just reinstall old grub?
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10:33<Waxhead>Jaleks: not that I know of... I tried apt-get install grub from the live cd but then it complained that it could not fetch some packages.....
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10:36<Jaleks>so your net is down or what? or might you jsut need an apt-get update before?
10:37<Waxhead>Uhm... trying a few things here....
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10:43<valdyn>Jaleks: chroot doesnt break grub-probe - just bind mount /dev
10:46<andreas>which package had dh_make again?
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10:47<damiank>im trying to make xnc work but it says: XNC Panic!!!: Error loading font -*-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
10:47<amphi>!tell andreas -about search
10:47<damiank>where is that font?
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10:49<damiank>hi SuperMiguel
10:49<damiank>hi lfox
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10:54<user01>Is there a good command line tool for detecting wireless networks? i think my network manager is broken
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10:54<user01>in gnome
10:54<amphi>user01: iwlist <iface> scan
10:54<user01>amphi thanks!!
10:54<amphi>user01: or wicd perhaps
10:55<amphi>you're welcome!!
10:55<user01>amphi, do you need to be root?
10:55<damiank>anyone knows a norton commander clone for X?
10:55<damiank>i tried XNC but it doesnt work here
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10:55<amphi>user01: for iwlist? no
10:56<amphi>user01: for wicd, you're user must be in the netdev group if I recall correctly
10:56<gsimmons>user01: (re iwlist) Yes, triggering scanning is a privileged operation.
10:57<amphi>gsimmons: I can do iwlist scan here as $USER
10:57<user01>i cant
10:57<user01>root i can
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10:57<gsimmons>amphi: Those are results from a previous scan, see iwlist(8).
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10:59<amphi>gsimmons: it seems not, here - for example, the values are different each time I run it
11:00<amphi>gsimmons: it perhaps works because my user is in the netdev group?
11:00<gsimmons>amphi: Is NM or wicd in use?
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11:00<user01>is it dangerous to put a user in netdev group?
11:01<amphi>gsimmons: wicd is running
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11:02<amphi>gsimmons: iwlist scan still works with wicd stopped, FWIW
11:03<user01>amphi, iwlist shows the wireless i am connected to but not the other devices
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11:04<user01>like if i want to see which one has the stronger signal
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11:06<user01>eh cant believe it is 11am already
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11:08<user01>i searched package manager for wicd and couldnt find anything
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11:09<user01>oh it probably isnt in lenny
11:09<gsimmons>dpkg: tell user01 -about wicd
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11:10<user01>what about kismet?
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11:12<dr|z3d>user01: Use Kismet to scan for available wireless networks, and view their relative signal strengths.
11:15<user01>dr|z3d, how is that different from wicd?
11:16<user01>oh wait looks like i have to do some configuring for kismet
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11:21<user01>how can i see the name of the wireless device like ipwXXXX i can never remember those X values
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11:22<leejongwook>hi :)
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11:23<xsbyme>can eny help with apt i'm trying to install lots of libarys and and dev tools
11:24<xsbyme>eny body sugtions
11:24<mason_>how to get 3d cube with debian? question 2. How to install nvidia drivers onto debian?
11:24<user01>found it! source=ipw2200,eth1,Intel
11:25<ml|>mason_: /msg dpkg nvidia
11:26<leejongwook>hi mason_ :)
11:26<leejongwook>hi ml :)
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11:27<mason_>leejongwook, heyy man im trying to figure something else out if you wanna help me.
11:27<leejongwook>nvidia ?
11:27<mason_>yea the driver so i can use better desktop effects
11:27<ml|>mason_: type that in you irc client
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11:27<mason_>dpkg nvidia
11:27<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
11:28<ml|>mason_: /msg dpkg nvidia next time
11:29<mason_>ml|, how to get the best effects with the desktop?
11:29<leejongwook>default setting == best effects
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11:29<leejongwook>with best performance
11:29<leejongwook>if you would like to try, i suggest ubuntu-8.10x86 instead Debian
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11:30<leejongwook>it will automatically install your graphic device driver
11:30<ml|>mason_: i don't use that stuff, but there is a way just don't remember atm
11:30<mason_>ahh nevermind haha i was just like wondering =P
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11:31<Wooga_tc>hello, i am using debian squeeze and gnome 2.24(26) and whenever i am runing gnome-session, i getting error message "There was an error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon"..."The Settings Daemon restarted too many times.". despite that, everything seems to work fine, but this message is frustrating. here is gnome-session runing log: . can anyone suggest why this message may come and how to make it not?
11:31<user01>oh wow kismet made large alarms
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11:34<leejongwook>looks very complicate @ Wooga_tc, sorry, can't help you
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11:34<leejongwook><-- just installed xfce :)
11:34<leejongwook>nice ~
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11:37<leejongwook>mason_, :P
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11:46<Woet>Is there any way to speed up SSH connections to a server?
11:46<Woet>ControlMaster works like a charm, but it's not compatible with libssh2
11:47<Woet>'UseDNS' off only speeds up the first request, after that nothing since the dns is cached
11:47<xsbyme>whats the is the nae of gtk+ in debian
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11:48<ml|>xsbyme: try apt-cache search gtk+
11:48<De34>is there a way to undo updates ? i just updated my system and now i get all kinds of bus errors booting and kdm wont even start
11:49<xsbyme>done that i'm not finding it
11:49<ml|>dunno then try different names
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11:56<demios>having a problem with my resolution just installed debian yesterday.
11:57<demios>my only options are 640x480, 800 x 600 and 1024 x 768
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11:57<demios>my laptops screen is 16:10
11:57<demios>how do i auto detect this?
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12:02<dpkg>X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.4. Ask me about <install x> if you are using Debian Etch or later. Ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. #xorg on
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12:03<dr|z3d>demios: Check that ^
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12:04<larry88>mdg look likes it working now after the reboot thanks you DA MAN!!!!
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12:15<demios>ugh dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does nothign for me
12:15<demios>i get one video option the rest is keyboard
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12:17<cahoot>demios: and what do you wish to accomplish?
12:18<demios>having a problem with my resolution just installed debian yesterday.
12:18<cahoot>demios: xorg should be rather good at autoconfig now
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12:18<demios>trying to get to my native resolution
12:19<demios>my only options are 640x480, 800 x 600 and 1024 x 768
12:19<demios>1366x768 is my laptops native
12:19<cahoot>no proprietary drivers involved?
12:19<demios>just video-intel
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12:20<cahoot>demios: xorg.conf is practically empty?
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12:21<demios>X -configure gives me Fatal server error:
12:21<demios>Server is already active for display 0
12:21<demios> If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
12:21<demios> and start again.
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12:22<demios>now i know
12:22<cahoot>demios: might help?
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12:23<user01>my sound is very staticky any ideas to fix?
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12:25<cahoot>user01: pure alsa? i e no intervening layer like pulseaudio/esd/artsd?
12:25<user01>cahoot, yes
12:25<user01>it was set to that anyway
12:25<cahoot>yes to what?
12:25<user01>should i try with pulse?
12:25<demios>how do I leave X?
12:26<user01>cahoot, i have it set to to alsa in gnome mixer
12:26<cahoot>demios: (as root) /etc/init.d/gdm stop
12:26<demios>kk thanks
12:26<user01>cahoot, maybe pulse is also running?
12:26<user01>not sure how to determine that
12:27<demios>wish me luck
12:27<cahoot>user01: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*
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12:33<Woet>Is there any way to speed up SSH connections to a server?
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12:34<Woet>or SSH, FTP, any for that matter
12:36<leejongwook>hi :)
12:37<leejongwook>change your isp :)
12:37<abrotman>Woet: you could try using compressing if both systems are fast enough
12:38<Woet>abrotman: hmm, it's more the connecting and authentication that is slow
12:38<Woet>I would like to save the FTP/SSH session somewhere for later use
12:38<Woet>or fork them
12:38<abrotman>you oculd use screen and keep it open ?
12:38<Woet>well, it's meant to be used by a script
12:38<ml|>screen and ssh-agent
12:38<Woet>not humans :p
12:39<ml|>to keep it open
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12:39<Woet>ml|: okay ,that looks okay
12:39<Woet>what about FTP?
12:39<leejongwook>ml|, where is eth0 ?
12:39<ml|>leejongwook: huh?
12:40<leejongwook>eth0 :)
12:40<bremner>Woet: also ssh multiplexing (look in the docs for ssh_config)
12:40<bremner>sftp can use the same multiplexed channel
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12:41<abrotman>Woet: ftp can be scripted
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12:43<dr|z3d>!congratulate demios
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12:43<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies demios, you did it!
12:43<demios>i killed x
12:43<demios>and made a xorg.conf
12:43<demios>manually put in my native resolution
12:44<demios>i wonder, if 60 hertz is my monitor's max
12:44<demios>i'll look that up some other time
12:44<dr|z3d>demios: Flatscreen, probably.
12:44<demios>thankfully it's an lcd
12:44<demios>so i dont get to see flicker
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12:45<demios>that's my laptop's hostname >_>
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12:46<abrotman>vanessa: please don't spam here
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12:46<demios>who needs arch when you can have a brainless install with minimal bloat and truckstable workspace.
12:48<cahoot>plugging win7?
12:49<dr|z3d>Will need a whole lot of plugging, most likely. All those exploits to come!
12:49<user01>hey cahoot it says mixer_applet2
12:49<cahoot>user01: that's ok
12:50<user01>cahoot, should i install alsamixer?
12:51<user01>cahoot, maybe levels are too high somewhere
12:51<cahoot>good idea
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12:55<user01>cahoot, yes, could be this, pcm was at max, and causing lots of distortion
12:55<cahoot>user01: alsa-utils did this?
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12:56<user01>cahoot, i installed alsa-mixer and lowered the pcm levels that were set at 100%
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12:57<cahoot>user01: alsa-utils did this?
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13:00<plinio>hi , felows
13:01<plinio>whats up
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13:01<mason_>dpkg gnash
13:01<dpkg>rumour has it, gnash is a GNU project to create a free software <Flash> player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See for more information. Ask me about <gnash_etch>.
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13:05<SuperMiguel>is installing debian in a raid 0 conf worth it?
13:07<plinio>dpkg, do work it in ypu tube?
13:07*dpkg refuses to do work it in ypu tube
13:07<plinio>you tube*
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13:08<bremner>plinio: dpkg is a bot
13:08<user01>cahoot, alsa-utils . . . could be i used the gui frontend
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13:09<user01>cahoot, doesnt the alsa-mixer gui call alsa-utils?
13:09<cahoot>user01: alsa-utils is debians start-up script that should set sane mixerlevels
13:09<cahoot>user01: alsa-utils is installed?
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13:10<user01>oh well i also had pulseaudio installed once, would this have interefered?
13:10<cahoot>is this an ubuntu system by chance?
13:10<user01>cahoot, debian lenny
13:10<dpkg>[b43] the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. #bcm-users on
13:11<cahoot>ok - never laid my hands on pulseaudio so ...
13:11<user01>cahoot, i had installed pulse myself
13:11<user01>thinking it would be better, it wasnt
13:11<user01>someone had said i needed a sound server
13:12<cobra-the-joker>Hey there guys there is a network manager in kde 3.5 like in gnome ??
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13:12<user01>im not sure why pulse is needed
13:12<cahoot>user01: probably no need for any soundserver if you run alsa-aware apps
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13:13<user01>cahoot, and i installed the oss plugin for alsa
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13:14<user01>things have gotten better in so many areas . . . audio i wish for the day it gets simplified a bit more
13:14<cobra-the-joker>hey guys .....i want a network daemon in kde 3.5 there anny ?
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13:15<user01>so many complicated things now i dont understand, jack, pulse etc
13:15<cobra-the-joker>cahoot ^ ^ ok
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13:15<fencepost>can someone help me understand how the debian team treats security updates, i would have thought for example iceweasel 3.0.12 would be in the security repository as it has many security fixes, but lenny still has 3.0.6
13:15<user01>they should just add features to alsa if it is missing something
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13:17<plinio>cobra, probe apt-get install network-manager-kde
13:17<abrotman>!why aptitude
13:17<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
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13:20<leejongwook>bye ~ :) see you all next time :P
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13:22<plinio>does anyone can explain me how to make working kttsd in debian testing?
13:23<cobra-the-joker>Hey there guys .....i cant add another language ( arabic ) in kde 3.5 ....i selected egypt ...but only the US English available
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13:23<plinio>voice dont work
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13:25<plinio>cobra, do you know page?
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13:25<plinio>look for it
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13:30<cobra-the-joker>plinio , ok
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13:39<suspectx>chris: hello^^
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13:55<cobra-the-joker>Every Time i try to compile a theme for kde ...this appears ---> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
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13:59<dr|z3d>cobra-the-joker: So, add the correct paths to your environment.
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13:59<josheua__>Who is online?
13:59<dr|z3d>cobra-the-joker: No doubt the supporting docs will be useful.
13:59<Vroomfondle>You are
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13:59<cobra-the-joker>dr|z3d , pardon me ...i dont have much exp in this compilation part
13:59<cobra-the-joker>dr|z3d , supporting docs of what ....the package ???
14:00<josheua__>I am new this forum, sorry for bothering you all! :)
14:01<dr|z3d>cobra-the-joker: Sure. Google around for: howto set environment variables X includes debian, or similar.
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14:02<cobra-the-joker>dr|z3d , can i launch the the wizard at the KDE first-run again ?
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14:43<carmine>mario: you are italian?
14:44<Torsten_W> <== this is poland
14:45<carmine>ah ok, thanks!
14:45<carmine>i'am italian
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14:58<buffoon>hi there. I have a little depency problem. I want to install the ia32-libs and I get the message, that ia32-libs depends on ia32-apt-get >= 21 but apt-cache policy ia32-apt-get says that version 22 is installed
14:58<buffoon>what could be wrong there??
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15:01<buffoon> <-- here's the exact output
15:01<CutMeOwnThroat>that you're mixing distributions
15:02<CutMeOwnThroat>or that you're running sid
15:02<buffoon>well, i'm running sid yes
15:02<buffoon>just wanted to mention that...
15:03<buffoon>but I have that problem for a long time now
15:03<bremner>buffoon: there are currently some issues with ia32-libs. there was discussion on debian-devel@l.d.o
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15:04<buffoon>ah, ok... I've heard that they're changing some stuff to get multiarch.. is it about that?
15:05<CutMeOwnThroat>judd, versions ia32-libs
15:05<judd>CutMeOwnThroat: ia32-libs --
15:05<bremner>that is going too, but I think ia32-libs is different
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15:06<enouf>CutMeOwnThroat: there's extensions added to it now, heh
15:06<enouf>bremner: are you on amd64 userland?
15:06<CutMeOwnThroat>but they're not compulsatory
15:07<bremner>enouf: on one machine, yes
15:07<CutMeOwnThroat>judd, versions ia32-libs --architecture=amd64
15:07<judd>CutMeOwnThroat: (versions ) -- Output available versions of a package. Usage: "versions pattern [--arch i386] [--release etch]" pattern will treat * and ? as wildcards
15:07<enouf>bremner: 'file /bin/ls' says?
15:07<buffoon>I hate this goddamn flash... wasn't there supposed to be a 64bit version one tim?
15:07<CutMeOwnThroat>judd, versions ia32-libs --arch amd64
15:07<judd>CutMeOwnThroat: ia32-libs -- etch: 1.19 lenny: 2.7 squeeze: 2.7 sid: 21
15:07<enouf>CutMeOwnThroat: yeah .. some minor tweaking/options needed to get it - good work
15:07<bremner>enouf: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64
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15:08<enouf>although isn't the string much longer? heh
15:08<CutMeOwnThroat>weird version gap there 1.19->2.7->21
15:08<bremner>enouf: yes, you want the rest?
15:08<enouf>we work fast! :-p
15:08<enouf>bremner: nah
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15:09<CutMeOwnThroat>and actually ia32-libs demands ia32-aptget >=21 ... 22 is installed - since when isn't 22>=21?
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15:10<bremner>CutMeOwnThroat: you should be _sure_ you want ia32-aptget. It is a bit intrusive...
15:10<CutMeOwnThroat>I don't want anything - i look at the paste from buffoon
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15:11<bremner>the next (alleged) upload of ia32-libs won't depend on ia32-apt-get AIUI
15:11<CutMeOwnThroat>and it says it can't upgrade ia32-libs because 22 isn't >=21
15:11<buffoon>CutMeOwnThroat: yes, thats what i was wondering about too...
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15:11<CutMeOwnThroat>well, time for this
15:12<CutMeOwnThroat>!btssmite buffoon
15:12*dpkg beats buffoon around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if buffoon is running testing or unstable
15:12<CutMeOwnThroat>for good measure
15:12<CutMeOwnThroat> ha
15:13<buffoon>good idea
15:13<CutMeOwnThroat>of course I was right
15:13<CutMeOwnThroat>actually that was my 1st thought on "sid"
15:13<CutMeOwnThroat>bug #538414
15:13<CutMeOwnThroat>!btssmite buffoon some more
15:13*dpkg beats buffoon some more around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if buffoon some more is running testing or unstable
15:14<CutMeOwnThroat>!blame debian-devel
15:14*dpkg blames Overfien1 and debian-devel for the end of the Internet as we know it
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15:19<cobra-the-joker>Its the first time i know that metacity supports compositing :D
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15:22<CutMeOwnThroat>looks like that was one beat over the head to often... buffoon's unconscious :)
15:23<enouf>should've used a pillow instead :-p
15:23<CutMeOwnThroat>nah, he runs sid, he deserved it
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15:23<CutMeOwnThroat>wouldn't have been the chain-saw except for using unstable if you read closely
15:25<buffoon>well, I just don't think that the bts of debian is that comfortable to use so I use it rarely
15:26<craigevil>ia32-apt-get has been broken for a while in sid
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15:31<inglor>Anyone else have problems with Audigy? I can't seem to modprobe emu10k1 on debian sid
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15:31<bremner>buffoon: now you're just trying to get flamed about running sid :)
15:31<enouf>10 years later .. and still 64bit is dead :-p
15:31<buffoon>well, then I'll stop talking about that =)
15:32<buffoon>and I agree enouf... it works great as long as your using free software... but if you wanna have flash or skype the terrible things begin..
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15:33<dave2223>Hi. Could somebody explain what means please?
15:33<bremner>it means sid is broken right now, please wait
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15:35<dave2223>bremner: Okay, thanks.
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15:40<inglor>Anyone else have alsa + audigy problems on Sid ?
15:41*CutMeOwnThroat readies another btssmite
15:42<craigevil>dave2223: well that explains this The following packages have been kept back: apt apt-utils foomatic-db-gutenprint python-apt for the last few days
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15:47<bremner>right, I guess it is only fresh installs of sid that are completely broken at this point
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15:57<Overfien1>anybody else having a problem on etch boxen where the upgrade to bind9 9.3.4-2etch5 causes lookups to fail on authoritative zones?
15:57*Overfien1 looks at his nick
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15:58<inglor>I have 2 cards and aplay -l shows only one.
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15:58<inglor>When can I define the second one?
15:58<Slurb>inglor what about lspci
15:59<inglor>00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2)
15:59<inglor>01:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03)
16:00<Slurb>load the card specific modules and add an entry for the second card in your asoundrc file
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16:00<inglor>snd_emu10k1 snd_ac97_codec both loaded
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16:00<inglor>but I have no .asoundrc
16:01<cahoot>shouldn't need one for basic purposes
16:01<Slurb>no you shouldnt
16:01<Slurb>it provides oss compatability
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16:02<Slurb>which one is detected?
16:02<inglor>only the AC97
16:02<cahoot>inglor: cat /proc/asound/cards
16:02<inglor>0 [CK804 ]: NFORCE - NVidia CK804
16:02<inglor> NVidia CK804 with ALC850 at irq 22
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16:02<inglor>just that :S
16:03<Slurb> modprobe snd-intel8x0 ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-mixer-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss
16:03<Slurb>then it should work
16:03*Overfiend sighs. Everytime I have to wrestly with bind, I lose.
16:03<Overfiend>wrestle, even
16:04<Slurb>did that work inglor
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16:05<inglor>nope still only one detected
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16:05<Slurb>ok try this
16:06<cahoot>inglor: what's the pciid of the missing soundcard?
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16:07<Slurb>sudo modprobe -r snd-intel8x0 && sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0 xbox=1
16:07<Slurb>it says that helps with ac97 codek auto detection
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16:08<inglor>cahoot: lspci -v comes up with these (not sure if this is what you asked)
16:08<inglor>01:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03)
16:08<inglor> Subsystem: Creative Labs SB0090 Audigy Player/OEM
16:08<inglor> Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 10
16:08<inglor> I/O ports at ac00 [size=32]
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16:08<inglor>Slurb: My ac97 is detected corrently
16:08<inglor>Slurb: my audigy is not.
16:09<Slurb>i thought the other way around
16:09<inglor>maybe I confused you
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16:09<cahoot>what happends if you modprobe snd-emo10k1?
16:09<cahoot>what happends if you modprobe snd-emu10k1?
16:10<inglor>ok done.
16:10<cahoot>inglor: cat /proc/asound/cards
16:10<inglor>$ cat /proc/asound/cards
16:10<inglor> 0 [CK804 ]: NFORCE - NVidia CK804
16:10<inglor> NVidia CK804 with ALC850 at irq 22
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16:11<julius> sudo apt-get source mplayer <- this downloads the sources, as i have read. but where is the control file for "dpkg -b directory packagename.deb" ?
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16:11<julius>inglor, disable the onboard sound in the bios if you want the sb live
16:11<Slurb>inglor: wrong module
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16:12<Slurb>try modprobe emu10k2
16:12<inglor>julius: this is not the solution for me :P used to work before and it will work now :P
16:12<inglor>Slurb: ok sec..
16:12<julius>yes, but its easier to only have one card in the system
16:12<inglor>FATAL: Module emu10k2 not found.
16:13<inglor>julius: if i wanted easy things I wouldn;t try Sid :P
16:13<Slurb>what kind of audigy is it?
16:13<inglor>Audigy 1
16:13<inglor>old one :P
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16:13<cahoot>inglor: lspci -n will tell you its pciid
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16:14<inglor>cahoot: pciid 01:06.0
16:15<cahoot>no it's like xxxx:xxxx
16:15<inglor>oh sorry: 1102:0004
16:16<cahoot>inglor: snd-emu10k1 is the module for it
16:17<Slurb>sounds like your module isnt working for some reason...load the module then check dmesg for output
16:17<Slurb>unload it first
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16:17<cahoot>inglor: did it ever work for you?
16:18<Slurb>he said it did
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16:18<cahoot>then I'd guess hw error
16:18<Slurb>ive had probs with alsa before but it does sound like a hw error
16:19<cahoot>try reseat it
16:19<inglor>rmmod and then modprobed it..
16:19<inglor>dmesg says: [ 3294.089705] cannot find the slot for index 0 (range 0-0), error: -16
16:19<inglor>[ 3294.089737] EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:01:06.0 failed with error -16
16:19<Slurb>bad card
16:20<inglor>how bad :P
16:20<Slurb>try it in a windows box if you have one
16:20<inglor>used to work just before the sid safe-u[grade i did today :(
16:20<Slurb>find out what a error -16 is
16:21<cahoot>inglor: I sincerely doubt they've managed to mess up snd-emu10k1
16:21<inglor>cahoot: me too
16:22<cahoot>inglor: I'd try reseat it
16:22<julius>ive modified the build deps in mplayer....dsc. how do i put it back together with the rest that was downloaded by "apt-get source mplayer" ? or where does "apt-get build-dep mplayer" read its deps from?
16:22<dr|z3d>julius: apt-cache depends mplayer
16:23<dr|z3d>!depends mplayer
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16:23<dpkg>mplayer: depends on debconf | debconf-2.0, mplayer-skin, libasound2 (>> 1.0.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libaudio2, libavcodec52 (>= 3:0.svn20090303-1) | libavcodec-unstripped-52 (>= 3:0.svn20090303-1), libavformat52 (>= 3:0.svn20090303-1) | libavformat-unstripped-52 (>= 3:0.svn20090303-1), libavutil49 (>= 3:0.svn20090303-1) | libavutil-unstripped-49 (>= 3:0.svn20090303-1), libc6 (>= 2.7), libcaca0 (>= 0.99.beta15-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), ...
16:24<Slurb>!depends mplayer-src
16:25<Slurb>dpkg -i shithead
16:25*dpkg removes a liver from slurb and replaces it with shithead
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16:25<inglor>seems like my device is busy..
16:26<ebzzry>Hi! To what mailing list should I post about issues wrt usb mass storage devices not being detected "properly"?
16:27<Slurb>have you tried turning the computer all the way ?off
16:27<ebzzry>Slurb: Is that for me?
16:27<Slurb>sorry it was for inglor
16:27<ebzzry>Slurb: OK. I'll wait in line.
16:28<inglor>Slurb: 2-3 times but the post mention something about setting acpi=off
16:28<Slurb>just disable it in your bios
16:28<inglor>ok will check and update
16:29<Slurb>it says to turn on acpi
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16:29<Slurb>not disable
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16:30<Slurb>ebzzry: what is the problem just ask there are about 300 people in here
16:30<inglor>oh.. well i will check to be sure on bios and also: desable Cool & Quiet (last thing I changed this evening) brb
16:31<Slurb>thats it
16:31<Slurb>cool and quiet is acpi
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16:32<ebzzry>OK. When I plug in my (USB) flash drive, the corresponding dev entries are not created, thus making me unable to mount that device. But I'm able to, using Live CDs.
16:32<Gun_Smoke>I was able to downgrade amarok to lenny's version with aptitude install amarok/lenny and I have included this in /etc/apt/preferences. Should I be safe from further upgrades to the package?
16:32<ebzzry>The relevant dmesg entry is: "usbcore: deregistering interface driver usb-storage"
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16:33<Slurb>ebzzry: what does lsusb say when its plugged in
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16:33<Slurb>is it detected
16:33<ebzzry>Slurb: good question. The device is detected.
16:34<ebzzry>But that's as far as it goes.
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16:34<Slurb>it may not be supported
16:34<Slurb>well with the stock kernel
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16:35<ebzzry>Slurb: That may be true, but the last time it worked with me was with 2.6.26. I on 2.6.26-2 now.
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16:36<Slurb>whats the 8 number id in lsusb looks like xxxx:xxxx
16:36<Slurb>numbers and letters
16:36<ebzzry>Slurb: 13fe:1f00
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16:38<inglor>Slurb: Same crap
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16:39<Slurb>ebzzry: ls -la /dev/disk/by-id/usb-*
16:39<ebzzry>Slurb: no matches
16:40<ebzzry>Slurb: wait
16:40<ebzzry>Slurb: Yup, no matches.
16:40<Slurb>what module is it?
16:41<ebzzry>Slurb: The one that has been complaining in dmesg are usb-storage and usbcore
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16:42<ebzzry>Slurb: This is the relevant snippet of dmesg:
16:43<Slurb>it looks ok
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16:44<ebzzry>Slurb: yup
16:44<Slurb>inglor: something is wrong with the hardware itself probly
16:44<Slurb>looks ok
16:44<Slurb>try restarting hal
16:44<ebzzry>Slurb: what could be wrong?
16:44<Slurb>im not sure
16:45<Slurb>i dont see an error
16:45<Slurb>do you use gnome
16:45<ebzzry>Slurb: still the same after the restart. No new devices are being created in /dev
16:45<ebzzry>Slurb: Yes, I'm on gnome right now.
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16:46<Slurb>mine always shows up in the computer icon even if it doesnt show on desktop
16:47<ebzzry>Slurb: that's how at least it should be
16:47<julius>dr|z3d, just found out that "apt-cache depends mplayer" does only list the dependencies......still need to know where it reads the information from to modify it
16:48<Slurb>julius: you cant change that
16:48<dr|z3d>julius: Somewhere in apt's cache, funnily enough. :)
16:49<Slurb>i guess you could short term
16:49<enouf>hrm .. what's 400 as a URL/URI error mean?
16:49<julius>"apt-get source mplayer" downloads some files, including a file called mplayer....dsc. this file list the build deps of mplayer. but how do i repack it with modifications?
16:49<enouf>read(5, "400 URI Failure\nURI: http://secu"..., 64000) = 199
16:49<Slurb>but it would change back when you update
16:49<enouf>write(1, " Temporary failure resolving \'s"..., 52) = 52
16:50*enouf googles
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16:50<jackyf>julius: dpkg-source -x, modify, dpkg-buildpackage -S
16:51<enouf>ok, got it, Bad Request - ...
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16:51<racecar56>can you connect wireless on the plain console?
16:53<cahoot>racecar56: sure
16:53<racecar56>:D how?
16:53<cahoot>racecar56: I'd suggest you take a look at wpa_supplikant
16:54<cahoot>(or is it supplicant?)
16:54<racecar56>it's supplicant
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17:01<Slurb>inglor: did you upgrade the kernel?
17:02<VavaR>is the serial port handled by a kernel module?
17:03<VavaR>is there a way to reset it or reload the serial setup without a reboot?
17:03<julius>jackyf, apt-get source mplayer did not download a .deb file. so i cant use "dpkg-source -x"
17:04<jackyf>julius: if you read the docs, dpkg-source -x unpacks debsources, not debbinaries
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17:05<julius>ah, sry
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17:05<mason_>question, on debian boot up it says firewall firestarter failed how to fix this problem?
17:06<ebzzry>Slurb: Regarding what we have talked about earlier, what do you think is the next step to hopefully resolving that issue?
17:06<Slurb>report a bug
17:06<ebzzry>Slurb: OK.
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17:10<mason_>dpkg firestarter
17:10<dpkg>Firestarter is a graphical configuration utility for <iptables> and a network traffic monitor, packaged for Debian.
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17:10<exn>guys, anybody here uses tc ?
17:10<inglor>Slurb: fixed it :)
17:10<mason_>dpkg firewall
17:10<dpkg>from memory, firewall is a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see <gibraltar>, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection. See also <firehol>.
17:10<ml|>dpkg: tell mason_ about selftell
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17:11<julius>cd /tmp/tmp2 && apt-get source mplayer - now ive unpacked the source with dpkg-source -x, modified it, cd mplayer-1.0~rc2, dpkg-buildpackage but dpkg-buildpackage does not accept my changes to mplayer....dsc, because it says: dpkg-checkbuilddeps:....... libgl1-mesa-dev i did replace that package in my .dsc file. why?
17:11<racecar56>cahoot: how do i use it?
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17:12<racecar56>cahoot: my wireless card is iwl3945
17:12<exn>guys, suggest me channel where I can ask about tc please
17:13<cahoot>racecar56: or this:, google has a lot to offer
17:13<racecar56>cahoot: be sure to notice i have to use a text browser
17:13<racecar56>cahoot: i don't have x (yet)
17:13<abrotman>exn: what about it? you could try here
17:14<exn>I need good replacement for "ingress" because it drops packets and no more
17:15<exn>I mean filter for ingress
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17:15<Bimbo>hi. Exists there a possibilty to see which packages take the most memory on my disk. With apt-cache show I can see a Installed-Size tag, but I don't want to use it for all my packages...
17:15<exn>it have no algoritms like htb,cbq etc.
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17:18<exn>it can do only this (sorry, but it not enough long for paste it to pastie) $TC filter add dev $DEV parent ffff: protocol ip prio 50 u32 \
17:18<exn> match ip protocol 0x6 0xff police rate ${DOWNLINK}kbit burst 10k drop \
17:18<exn> flowid :1
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17:19<julius>ups, my fault. theres another file called debian/control which also contains build deps
17:19<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (, Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>.
17:20<bremner>julius: ^
17:20<julius>i was afraid..
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17:22<julius>yes, rebuilding mplayer on an intel atom 1.1ghz. *why did i buy this crappy hardware, should have knows that hd support isnt available out of the box*
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17:24<julius>exn, i guess you confuse the filter part and the qdisc/class part
17:24<julius>you can use htb with tc filters
17:24<julius>wouldnt make sense without
17:24<exn>htb works only for egress direction
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17:26<exn>but, I see only examples for filter for ingress. maybe is some disciplines like htb for ingress which I can't find..
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17:28<racecar56>cahoot: the second walthrough was very nice
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17:28<racecar56>cahoot: it's working now, thanks
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17:31<mason_>Can any one tell me why firestarter fails on boot?
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17:32<binarymutant>mason_, probably a bad config file
17:33<mason_>binarymutant, whats the fix for it?
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17:33<binarymutant>mason_, not sure sorry :/
17:34<mason_>anyone else know the cause to it?
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17:35<exn>I'm even don't know what is firestarter =)
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17:36<exn>use simple iptables rules man
17:36<mason_>dpkg tell exn firestarter
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17:38<mason_>does any one know of a good firewall to use?
17:39<mason_>simple to use?
17:39<exn>just iptables
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17:41<mason_>iptables is said to have holes in in though
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17:41<binarymutant>mason_, firestarter uses iptables
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17:42<mason_>binarymutant, so iptables is basically its own seperate firewall?
17:42<vladik>vsem hi
17:42<vladik>йа наркоман-линуксоид
17:42<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
17:42<vladik>Do you understand me, shit?
17:43<binarymutant>mason_, firestarter is like a gui for iptables
17:43<mason_>binarymutant, so i alreayd have iptables installed it says?
17:43<vladik>I have question
17:44<vladik>is Linux so bullshit?
17:44<binarymutant>mason_, ya
17:44<craigevil>!ops vladik troll
17:44<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: craigevil complains about: vladik troll
17:44<mason_>binarymutant, how to work it?
17:44<binarymutant>mason_, not sure :)
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17:58<vvas>doesn't anyone ever clean up the bans in this channel?
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18:02<ProfOak>Is there a way to make a multi-iso live DVD?
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18:07<mdavis>I have a quick question, relatively new to Debian... The system was set up on a widescreen monitor, I suspect and now I've switched to a normal, non-widescreen monitor and the text appears vertically "squished" how can I correct this?
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18:08<Slurb>mdavis patebin your xorg.conf
18:08<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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18:09<mdavis>Kay, one moment.
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18:10<mdavis>That's everything sans the intro text when opening it.
18:11<Slurb>do you use gnome?
18:12<racecar56>what irc client has history like xchat and has an ability to automatically msg nickeserv identify <password>?
18:12<dr|zed>racecar56: Try bitchx or irssi.
18:12<craigevil>racecar56: pretty much any of them
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18:12<racecar56>"history like xchat" means it logs the history to a file in ~
18:13<themill>dpkg: tell mdavis about xorg config
18:13<racecar56>i'm using irssi now, how do i make it auto-identify
18:13<dr|zed>racecar56: Look for onjoin configs.
18:13<themill>mdavis: gnome's resolution applet will do that for you
18:13<dr|zed>Can't tell you specifcally.. don't use it myself.
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18:14<Slurb>i use irssi
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18:14<Slurb>read the wiki at the website
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18:14<Slurb>it explains all you need to know
18:14<mdavis>Under System > Preferences > Screen Resolution it doesn't offer me anything except 1280x768 and lower. It's on 1280x768, which is a fine size, text and things just look ... "squished"
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18:15<Slurb>its a dpi setting
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18:15<Slurb>prolly got it from the edid of the old monitor and the new one isnt reporting a native dpi
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18:16<Slurb>for text
18:16<themill>Slurb: how would that distort the text?
18:16<valdyn>mdavis: what is the displays native resolution?
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18:17<Slurb>if it is a 90x88 or something
18:17<themill>mdavis: perhaps you can pastebin the output of "xrandr"
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18:17<Slurb>instead of just 96
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18:17<valdyn>96 is rarely correct
18:18<valdyn>i dont get what he means with squished, maybe not wide enough, maybe not sharp
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18:18<mdavis>Yeah, not wide enough.
18:19<themill>valdyn: widescreen (16:9) displayed on a normal (4:3) screen
18:19<mdavis>They're vertically correct, but their width is skinnier than normal.
18:19<mdavis>Exactly, themill.
18:19<valdyn>your resolution 1280x768 is not standard in any way
18:19<mdavis>My monitor's max resolution is 1024x768.
18:19<valdyn>that is why im asking for the native resolution
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18:19<mdavis>But it doesn't give me a 1024x768 option in System Preferences.
18:19<Slurb>thats why it looks squished
18:20<valdyn>mdavis: so why dont you set it to 1024x768 ?
18:20<mdavis>There's no option for it. =/
18:20<dpkg>methinks modeline is You can create custom modelines at, or, or use cvt or gtf, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline
18:20<dr|z3d>That would probably be native.
18:20<mdavis>But, if I add: DisplaySize 270 203 # 1024x768 96dpi
18:21<mdavis>To the config file, maybe?
18:21<Slurb>i would think it would do 1280x1024 if it goes to 1280
18:21<themill>mdavis: is your screen actually that size in mm?
18:21<valdyn>mdavis: that will not add a resolution, it might fix the fonts
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18:21<valdyn>mdavis: however you shouldnt use a resolution higher than native at all
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18:21<dr|z3d>mdavis: google for you brand/model and identify native res. !important
18:22<valdyn>mdavis: you should probably add that DisplaySize anyway
18:22<mdavis>My monitor doesn't suppose 1280x1024
18:22<Slurb>it is important not to go over native
18:22<mdavis>Yeah, native, max resolution is 1024x768
18:22<mdavis>For my monitor.
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18:23<mdavis>But I cannot choose 1024x768 in the Screen Resolution thing.
18:23<mdavis>Only 1280x78.
18:23<mdavis>768, rather.
18:23*themill would still like to see the output of "xrandr"
18:23<dr|z3d>valdyn told you some moments ago.. modelines..
18:23<dr|z3d>Have you followed up on that?
18:24<mdavis>I have not, one moment.
18:24<dr|z3d>Right. Good.
18:24<dr|z3d>Otherwise we might as well piss in the wind. :)
18:24<loudergood>still sounds like an EDID issue
18:25<mdavis>Output of xrandr:
18:25<themill>mdavis: it would seem that xrandr is able to set the correct resolution even if the silly gnome applet can't.
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18:26<mdavis>How do I do that?
18:26<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection.
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18:28<mdavis>So...: xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1024x768 ?
18:29<mdavis>I apologize for being somewhat obtuse, I don't mean to be, I've pretty much JUST switch to Debian and this is the first configuration problem that I have had. Don't want to mess anything up.
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18:29<valdyn>mdavis: whatever you do with xrandr now is not persistent
18:29<mdavis>Oh, I see.
18:30<valdyn>mdavis: and you can just use the modes in order starting at 0: xrandr -s 0 or xrandr -s 1
18:30<dr|z3d>mdavis: Or grandr. Probably better in your case.
18:31<themill>dr|z3d: except that grandr is apparently not showing that resolution.
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18:31<dr|z3d>Ah. I missed that.
18:31<themill>which is odd
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18:31<dr|z3d>Indeed. Did we get anywhere with modelines?
18:31<valdyn>gnome is using something else
18:32<valdyn>grandr != gnome-display-properties
18:32<dr|z3d>Workaround: Switch to Xfce :)
18:32<valdyn>dr|z3d: dont need modelines when xrandr is listing the mode he wants
18:33<themill>valdyn: it's not? ffs.... /me goes back to kde
18:33<dr|z3d>valdyn: Ah, I missed that also. :) *self-flagellates*
18:33<mdavis>Yes, xrandr -s 0
18:33<mdavis>Is the correct resolution.
18:33<mdavis>Or aspect ratio, or whatever.
18:34<mdavis>But that won't be persistent?
18:34<valdyn>mdavis: xrandr is also showing a size
18:34<valdyn>304mm x 228mm
18:34<valdyn>maybe thats close enough
18:34<mdavis>Let me get the measurements.
18:35<mdavis>It's 15.4 x 13.5 in.
18:35<valdyn>!15.4 inch
18:35<valdyn>no idea
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18:36<mdavis>So, 391 x 342
18:36<themill>that's a big monitor for a low resolution
18:36<mdavis>Heh, it's not a big monitor.
18:36<valdyn>i can hardly believe that
18:36<dr|z3d>Old school.
18:36<dr|z3d>Probably c 2005.
18:37<mdavis>That's prolly full measurements.
18:37<mdavis>I'm looking at the specs, it probably includes the side panels or something dumb like that.
18:37<valdyn>my thinkpad has smaller pitch than that, and that wasnt high when it was new
18:37<dr|z3d>Diagonal from edge of screen.
18:37<mdavis>Diagonal size is 15in.
18:37<dr|z3d>Forget the bezel.
18:37<mdavis>So, yeah.
18:37<mdavis>Monitor is 15in diagonal.
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18:37<valdyn>mdavis: so you just measured wrongly
18:38<mdavis>I read the wrong specs, heh.
18:38<mdavis>Or specs that included the bezel.
18:38<dr|z3d>15.4 doesn't exist, anyways. Flatpanel screens are pretty standard sizes.
18:39<mdavis>It's 15in diagonal.
18:39<valdyn>and thats about 380mm, which is what xrandr said
18:39<vvas>dr|z3d, 15.4 is a fairly standard laptop screen size...
18:40<dpkg>epic test fail
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18:42<dr|z3d>vvas: You appear to be right. More common than I thought.
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18:44<dr|z3d>But at 1024x768 native, that was hardly going to be 15.4 widescreen. *wink*
18:46<mdavis>Can I change screen size via xrandr, as well?
18:47<mdavis>Because, strangely, now 1024x768, after changing to it in xrandr, shows up in the gnome configuration.
18:47<mdavis>But things now look slightly horizontally squished.
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18:52<mdavis>Be right back.
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19:00<philippe_>salut a tous comment fait on pour conf le root
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19:02<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version is at , also . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is "debian-reference": 'aptitude install debian-reference'
19:02<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
19:03<bremner>Stupid spelling corrector...
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19:12<mdavis>Hey guys, just wanted to say that somehow, changing resolution via xrandr updated the gnome configuration tool and it let me choose 1024x768.
19:12<mdavis>So, the change is persistent, at least. But anyway, thank you all for all of your help.
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20:51<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:51<rufinator>codigo azul
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21:02<Skaja>is there a way to install debian on a usb stick and boot off it?
21:02<ootput>booting off of it is either a bios issue, or boot manager issue
21:03<ootput>i'd imagine installation onto usb disk would be similar to installation to harddrive
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21:06<bremner>Skaja: yes, there are various howto's around. Most of them use a running debian system and deboostrap (or cdebootstrap)
21:07<bremner>!usb install
21:07<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at
21:07<bremner>that is probably not exactly what you want
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21:11<Skaja>!install debian
21:11<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
21:11<davi>I do not find mysqldump in Debian Lenny! Any hint?
21:12<bremner>Skaja: are you trying to install debian using a usb key, or have a kind of live system on the key?
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21:12<nomadium>davi: aptitude install mysql-client-5.0
21:13<Skaja>I don't have any blank CDs or a floppy and dont know how to install it with out them
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21:13<abrotman>so you want to use a usb drive to install debian to a hard drive
21:13<Skaja>Oh i should do a net install
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21:14<davi>thanks nomadium, Let me try it
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21:14<bremner>Skaja: or just read the install instructions pointed at by the first factoid
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21:24<JoeHarrison>hey all bit of an issue with fresh install would like help with. Finished fresh powerpc install and tried to login, username of user i created is incorrect tried root login and password is incorrect. reinstalled paying careful attention to usernames and passwords and still same results
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21:30<dpkg>methinks netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>.
21:31<Skaja>!usb install
21:31<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at
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21:35<Skaja>I'm a little confused about using the usb stick to install via netinstall
21:36<bremner>Skaja: no different than using CD really
21:37<Skaja>Oh I just download those 4 files?
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21:37<Skaja>I just figered it out
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21:56<JoeHarrison>anyone have any ideas on my install problem?
21:56<JoeHarrison>is this even the right place to ask?
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21:56<bremner>JoeHarrison: you might try #debian-ppc as well
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21:57<bremner>JoeHarrison: I haven't had issues like that for about a decade...
21:57<bremner>It might have been FreeBSD :)
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21:58<JoeHarrison>yeah im a bit not a noob...been running linux for over 10 years...i wondered if it was a bug or something
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22:03<abrotman>tried rescue mode ?
22:03<abrotman>or /msg dpkg iftp
22:04<abrotman>not sure how that works with PPC though
22:05<JoeHarrison>going to try rescue mode in a bit. just wondering what could be causing it.
22:05<JoeHarrison>what is /msg you talking about?
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22:09<abrotman>JoeHarrison: /msg dpkg foo .. the bot will respond
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22:21<Skaja>I just tryed to boot from my usb stick. it didnt want to boot into the debian sintall
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22:46<Skaja>The debian intstaller wont work on my usb stick
22:47<bremner>Skaja: that can happen, older bioses or crappy usb sticks.
22:47<Skaja>It tells me to remove any media and press any key
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22:49<Skaja>hmm let me try something
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22:53<bremner>did you go in bios and enable booting from "USB Hard Disk"?
22:53<southernc>prolly be boot other device
22:53<southernc>not usb harddisk
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22:54<bremner>southernc: depends on the bios. usb harddisk works for me
22:54<southernc>what motherboard you got ?
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22:54<bremner>a thinkpad
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22:59<freddy>i have Debian 5 minimal install in a vps; any idea why basic command like nano doesnt work?
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23:04<southernc>did you try installing it ?
23:04<Elton05262>did you try installing it ?
23:04<southernc>lol beat ya
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23:05<southernc>hey craig :)
23:05<southernc>apt-get install nano
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23:11<freddy>i get this error; E: Couldn't find package nano
23:11<dr|z3d>aptitude install nano
23:11<dr|z3d>Try that.
23:11<freddy>-bash: aptitude: command not found
23:12<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
23:12<freddy>does it come with defualt debian version?
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23:17<southernc>freddy yes but you said you did a minimal install so who knows what you installed and didnt...
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23:21<Skaja>What are the files I need to put on the usb stick. because I put all the files on it and still wouldn't boot
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23:22<southernc>Skaja: what is the first boot device ?
23:22<Skaja>my HD i think
23:22<southernc>then you might also look at the order in which the devices are read
23:23<southernc>i dont know what bios your using so hard to say but for instance if it gets read as a harddrive make sure your usb is the first in the list
23:23<Skaja>the stupid computer tells me to remove ant media
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23:24<southernc>you sure the structure of the usb disk is correct
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23:25<Skaja>I dont know thats the problem
23:27<Skaja>I downloaded every file from
23:28<southernc>... lol
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23:28<Skaja>I never installeddebian from a usb stick
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23:31<manphiz>Hi, question about irssi and tor: recently my irssi connection to freenode and got rejected saying that I'm connecting using tor, but I don't torify irssi at all. How should I prevent irssi from using tor?
23:32<southernc>this is #debian...
23:32<manphiz>yea I know, and I'm using sid :P
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23:33<craigevil>irssi shouldnt be using tor unless you tell it to
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23:34<manphiz>it shouldn't, but it does... any irssi settings to check?
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23:35<Skaja>oh i see I need to have linux allready installed
23:37<enouf>hello - first time using debootstrap - question is, should i use it in my situation, or just boot a netinstall cd or something? situation is; i'm ssh'd into a server on my LAN, that's now booted into a live knoppix instance(the one HDD i just installed wasn't yet partitioned, and now it is, with (hda2)reiserfs + (hda1)swap), i'm going to install debian - and i know knoppix isn't using any swap, since it wasn't there when i booted livecd (cat /p
23:38<enouf>it just seems to me that with debootstrap, i'd end up with debian installed into <some-directory> _beneath_ '/' .. and that's not really waht i want, right?
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23:39<freddy>is there is debian 5 "full" version?
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23:41<enouf>freddy: there's 5 DVDs full .. is that enough?
23:42*NCommander notes there is also a bluray image
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23:43<southernc>waste of Dvd's if you have an internet connection
23:44<southernc>just use netinstall
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23:49<manphiz>weird, even after I stopped tor all IRC servers still think I'm tor user, why?
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23:57<freddy>Ok from what i understand debian 5 "lenny" is the minimal install for server correct?
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23:57<schmichael>just installed grub2 in debian testing and now my keyboard doesn't work in the grub menu
23:58<schmichael>any ideas?
23:58<schmichael>makes the menu kind of worthless :)
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