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01:34<Jusnetworx>Is anyone really familiar with Postfix + Maildrop?
01:34<Jusnetworx>and virtual users...
01:36<Jusnetworx>Wow is anyone actually active?
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01:38<Jusnetworx>What did the fish say when he swam into the wall?
01:39*wilberfan_ wonders what he won?
01:40<Jusnetworx>I'm looking for help configuring a mail server... know anyone that can help?
01:40<Jusnetworx>I have it functional, just a few things don't work exactly like I expected.
01:42<jmarsden>Jusnetworx: Do not ask to ask, or ask if anyone uses program X. As your *real* question and see who answers it.
01:42<Jusnetworx>Ok, specifics then. I gotcha.
01:43<jmarsden>Jusnetworx: Guide to asking questions on IRC:
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01:46<Jusnetworx>I am using maildrop to deliver for postfix. I was under the impression it could create user folders. I couldn't get that to work right without using a maildirmake script in the maildrop filter file.
01:48<Jusnetworx>for example, say the mail home directory is /var/vmail/, and I sort by domain then username. (/var/vmail/
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01:49<Jusnetworx>if the domain directory doesn't exist, I have to manually create it, then give the MDA file permissions.
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01:54<jm_>sounds normal to me, i'd only expect it to create stuff inside delivery dir, which is /var/vmail/ - i.e. think if this was a regular user, would you expect maildrop to create home dir for them?
01:54<Jusnetworx>Ok. That makes sense.
01:55<Jusnetworx>So my latest venture has been trying postfixadmin to automate the process
01:55<Jusnetworx>it's .php that can call perl scripts to preform the forementioned task
01:56<Jusnetworx>I have added www-data to sudoers to try and get apache2 to execute the perl scripts i've written
01:57<jm_>please stop the horror!
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01:57<Jusnetworx>i've never done that before, it seems to be a permissions issue
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01:57<Jusnetworx>ok, so how would you suggest I automate the process?
01:57<Jusnetworx>from a browser?
01:57<jm_>how do you add such users?
01:58<Jusnetworx>manually via mysql
01:58<jm_>why not create the dir as part of that process?
01:58<Jusnetworx>exactly. Why take 2 minutes of my time when I can type a username / password and have it automated?
01:59<Jusnetworx>plus, it would be nice to have users be able to change passwords, etc... without having console access
01:59<Jusnetworx>if this was just for me, this wouldn't be an issue...
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02:00<jm_>well that was the point - write a script that you run which adds a user and creates a dir for them - this script will run as root so you have no issues
02:01<Jusnetworx>i think i understand what you are saying, I am trying to test/use postfixadmin so that normal relatively illiterate users can change thier passwords without getting me to do it for them
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02:01<Jusnetworx>I assumed the easiest method would be browser based
02:02<Jusnetworx>for the end user
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02:06<jm_>well couldn't they still use that even if you add user manually?
02:06<Jusnetworx>how so?
02:07<jm_>you would add user the same way, just not from a browser
02:07<Jusnetworx>their only interaction with this server is with a mail client
02:08<Jusnetworx>I'm not aware of anyway to change passwords from a mail client?
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02:08<jm_>sure, but to change the password they will use web interface
02:08<Jusnetworx>yes, that is what I had in mind
02:09<Jusnetworx>so I got to looking around, and decided not to reinvent the wheel...
02:09<Jusnetworx>postfixadmin seems to come up frequently
02:09<jm_>right, I am pretty user you can use that from a script to create a user and then subsequently create their dir
02:10<jm_>pretty sure too
02:11<Jusnetworx>yes, which is what postfixadmin does
02:11<Jusnetworx>don't get me wrong, I'm not stuck on it. It works fine for adding users in the db. I am just having problems getting apache to execute the scripts needed to create the directories
02:11<jm_>I think you're not understanding me - yes you will get postfixadmin to do the job from your script
02:12<Jusnetworx>ok, i'm lost now
02:12<Jusnetworx>hehe sorry
02:12<jm_>it's a web interface right? you fill in a form and it creates the user, right?
02:12<Jusnetworx>inserts users / passwords / quota..etc... into mysql db
02:13<Jusnetworx>also has functionality to call a script from bash
02:13<Jusnetworx>i have written the scripts, just can't get them to execute from apache
02:13<jm_>ok so there are easy ways to fill in the form in script or even simpler, use wget to pass the parameters
02:14<Jusnetworx>please tell! :)
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02:14<Jusnetworx>easy was the magic word!
02:15<jm_>ok, I assume this thing is using POST method, go add frmget bookmarklet to your browser
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02:18<Jusnetworx>umm ok, stupid question. where the heck to I get it?
02:18<Jusnetworx>duh, was looking for add-on... lol
02:19<jm_>you just drag it to your bookmarks/bar
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02:21<jm_>go to postfixadmin add user form, select frmget bookmarklet - what does it say? does it say it changed 1 form to GET?
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02:22<Jusnetworx>change 1 forms to use the GET method
02:22<jm_>ok now fill in the stuff for some test user and select OK or whatever button it has, doe it show all parameters in url bar?
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02:23<Jusnetworx>yes it does
02:23<jm_>ok, so if you now copy this to a command line and call wget, it should add the user, make sure to put it in '' as it usually contains & and other chars
02:23<laber_>I have this problem: $startx ; it errors :Cannot open file /var/log/Xorg.0.log, which is extractly exist when i check:ls /var/log,
02:24<jm_>i.e. wget http://.../bla.php?foo=bar&...
02:24<Jusnetworx>interesting. I'll try it now
02:24<jm_>laber_: what are permissions on it?
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02:25<laber_>jm_,when i run startx as root ,the problem is the same
02:26<jm_>laber_: ok, does it help if you rename it first?
02:26<Jusnetworx>jm_ : didn't work, it looks like it is hanging on the login page
02:27<Jusnetworx>results in a 404
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02:27<laber_>jm_ the right is rw-r--r--,what rename??
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02:27<jm_>Jusnetworx: ahh doh, yeah then you'll need to use perl script, which might not be easy if you haven't done it before - well I suppose we can get your initial idea working, but it's really ugly, decide how to proceed
02:28<jm_>laber_: mv /var/log/Xorg.0.log /var/log/Xorg/0.log.old
02:28<jm_>laber_: mv /var/log/Xorg.0.log /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
02:28<jm_>maybe use mv -i too
02:29<Jusnetworx>jm_ I understand the scripts are ugly. I would like to get them working - besides I will probably learn something else :)
02:29<jm_>Jusnetworx: no I mean the idea with www-admin and sudoers is ugly, not the scripts
02:30<Jusnetworx>yes, I understood you..
02:30<Jusnetworx>I have already written perl scripts to create directories and modify quotas
02:30<Jusnetworx>so I think the hard part has been done
02:31<laber_>jm_:i can not mv it,the errors is: can not stat /var/log/Xorg.0.log ,Stable NFS file handle.
02:31<jm_>laber_: ok you have some filesystem issues
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02:32<laber_>jm_:i shall google it
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02:34<Jusnetworx>for each shell script, i have:
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02:35<Jusnetworx>www-data hostname=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/
02:35<Jusnetworx>in sudoers
02:35<Jusnetworx>set +x on scripts
02:36<Jusnetworx>added them to the appropriate location in postfixadmin (in
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02:38<jm_>ok so what is the problem with that?
02:38<Jusnetworx>apache complains, doesn't execute the script
02:38<Jusnetworx>it shouldn't matter what permissions on the script are? owned by root:root
02:39<Jusnetworx>one sec I will cut / paste from log
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02:40<jm_>careful pasting here
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02:41<laber>jm_ seems i should remount it .but how i can umount /var(/dev/sda5) even umount -f dosen`t work..
02:41<jm_>laber: remount it why?
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02:42<laber_>jm_ as google says
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02:43<Jusnetworx>ahh, here is one thing I was unsure about: the .php script sets a variable equal to the command you want run
02:43<jm_>laber_: doesn't make sense to me
02:43<laber_>jm_ so what i can do??
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02:43<Jusnetworx>i have 'sudo /usr/sbin/' , does that look correct or should I specify the user
02:44<jm_>no it's fine
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02:49<Jusnetworx>ahh. Ok. I was smoking crack. apparently my problem isn't with the execution of the script. I have 2 different problems.
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02:49<Jusnetworx>looks like i need to debug my script that deletes a user. and i apparently don't have quota working correctly.
02:50<Jusnetworx>it's not creating maildirsize
02:51<Jusnetworx>sheesh, computers are sooo freakin picky!! do what I want, not what i say!
02:51<jm_>"set -x" in script will show what it's doing
02:52<Jusnetworx>k, thanks
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02:58<Jusnetworx>Awesome. Sorta. Script is working correctly, the variables .php is passing isn't the same as I expected
02:59<laber_>a stub problem....
02:59<jm_>laber_: I've see a few reports of this on lkml, but I haven't paid attention to convesation about it
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03:01<laber_>jm_ what is lkml?
03:02<dpkg>methinks lkml is the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Read /usr/src/linux/REPORTING-BUGS before you post there and ALSO read
03:03<laber_>jm_ yean linux kernel mail listing..
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03:08<laber_>jm_ i have
03:08<rumpsy>hi there
03:08<rumpsy>hi laber
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03:09<laber_>jm_ du -sh does not work under /var/
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03:12<laber_>jm_ Any parent directory of Xorg.0.log cannot run du -sh
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03:12<jm_>laber_: is /var a separate fs?
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03:13<laber>jm_: yes, it`s /dev/sda5
03:13<jm_>laber: right
03:13<laber>jm_: And i cannot umount it
03:14<laber>jm_ it`s a bad idea to separate /var ,right??
03:14<jm_>laber: yes, it's all cause by some error, did you look if there's anything in dmesg output?
03:14<jm_>laber: well not bad in general
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03:19<laber_>jm_ dmesg have this warning: mounting unchecked fs,running e2fsck is recommended
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03:21<laber>i shall reboot
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03:22<jm_>I doubt it will umount cleanly
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03:25<laber>oh! it works,,all that i need to do is just reboot...
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03:44<Jusnetworx>why would someone use a command like:
03:45<Jusnetworx>rm -Rf mkdir /path/to/directory/ ?
03:45<Jusnetworx>question is about the mkdir part
03:45<brother->would that even work?
03:45<Jusnetworx>i doubt it... but i saw it in an example on the net...
03:46<jm_>looks like some bits are missing
03:46<brother->rm -Rf /path/to/directory/; mkdir /path/to/directory/
03:46<brother->that would make sense
03:46<Jusnetworx>yeah, but it's typed exactly like i did... crazy...
03:46<brother->I better rawl back to my cave and continue to be ignorant
03:46<Jusnetworx>go figure, if it's on the internet... ! :)
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03:54<enouf>jm_: out of curiousity - have you ever tried HPN patched OpenSSH? ... and would you see any use for it? know why it's not in Debian (AFAICT - and it's been around a while)
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03:56<jm_>enouf: hmm no, looking at their throughput numbers I get way more than that (with defaults) even on old p3
03:57<jm_>enouf: but it might be interesting if when I upgrade to gigabit ethernet
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03:58<enouf>jm_: hrm ... well, i don;t have a dual core .. but an MP machine, so i was thinking about it - many people have DualCores now, and more, and those boxes usually (some) have GigE
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04:00<brother->Jusnetworx: it could be just a bad example too. switch mkdir to XX and it doesn't replicate a standard command in the *nix world
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04:00<brother->just thinking
04:00<dehqan>good day every body,i'll be thankful if you guide >
04:01<Jusnetworx>brother : I wasn't going to use it, I was just looking at a forum post and thought *wtf*?!
04:01<Jusnetworx>goes to show not everything you see is helpful heh
04:02<tiberius>Hello Folks - I hope someone could help me - My server randomly freeze - with the following output > BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 00100104
04:03<tiberius>Linux awgsrv 2.6.18-dcc-srv #1 SMP Wed Mar 28 13:30:26 EDT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
04:03<Jusnetworx>have you tested your memory/
04:03<tiberius>I know ;-(
04:03<jm_>tiberius: you should see more info following that
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04:04<tiberius>you think it is a memory issue?
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04:05<Jusnetworx>random freezes, page faults... yup, but try booting to a cd with memtest and see
04:05<dehqan>good day every body,i'll be thankful if you guide >
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04:06<dehqan>any opinion ?
04:06<enouf>dehqan: "This command set a key ,what is it encryption type ?WEP?" <-- if wpasupplicant isn't installed, i'd have to say WEP then - please read what "/msg dpkg wifi howto" tells you (type that into your irc client) and also do; "/msg dpkg wpasupplicant" and i'll send you a PM about how to message the bot and what a <factoid> is
04:06<enouf>!tell dehqan -about msgthebot
04:06<tiberius>this is the whole output >>
04:07<jm_>tiberius: following BUG: messae
04:07<enouf>dehqan: you should be more patient for a reply as well... no need to repeat so often
04:07<tiberius>tail -f /var/log/kern/kern.alert
04:07<tiberius>Aug 4 08:39:45 awgsrv kernel: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 00100104
04:07<tiberius>Aug 4 08:39:45 awgsrv kernel: printing eip:
04:07<tiberius>Aug 4 08:39:45 awgsrv kernel: *pde = 00000000
04:07<tiberius>Aug 4 08:40:02 awgsrv kernel: printing eip:
04:07<tiberius>Aug 4 08:40:02 awgsrv kernel: *pde = 00000000
04:07<jm_>stop pasting here
04:07<jm_>so you do see it
04:07<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
04:07<tiberius>ok. sry!
04:07<enouf>some people don't know what a pastebin is! ;-)
04:08<jm_>yup, had to explain someone at work about an hour ago how to use it ;)
04:10<tiberius>So based on my pasted error, My problem seems to be a memory issue?
04:10<dehqan>enouf:thanks for your attention ,what's your opinion about questions 2 3 4 5 6 ?
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04:10<enouf>dehqan: WEP is easily cracked and extremely weak, WPA and WPA2 are much stronger - see and search for what those acronyms are, or in google; define:WPA
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04:10<enouf>dehqan: i don't know much about wireless, and even less about windows vista
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04:11<jm_>tiberius: I am not an expert on this but it doesn't look like it to me
04:11<dehqan>enouf:what should be done to have wap or wap2 in linux (debian base ) ?
04:11<enouf>dehqan: FWIW, if you want to, checkout #wireless as well - at some time - there's also ##networking and ##linux over there as well
04:12<dpkg>wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA.
04:12<jm_>plus it would be more helpful if you pasted all of it on a pastebin
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04:12<enouf>dehqan: do you know how to install packages? the factoids you've read tell you where to go, and what to read
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04:12<enouf>and what to install (or atleast elude to it)
04:12<enouf>er allude?
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04:13<tiberius>@jm_ So, you don't think it is a memory issue - hmm
04:13<tiberius>I will check it anyways
04:13<dehqan>see here is a wireless network between vista and debian-base
04:13<tiberius>Any other ideas to figure out my problem?
04:13<bike>i installed wine, now nautilus wants to open all text documents in a notepad clone, how can i change that?
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04:14<dehqan>anda in vista in properties of wireless network there are some factors that should be set
04:14<Jusnetworx>tiberius : have you run a memory test to see if it is / isn't?
04:14<enouf>dehqan: by "wap" do you mean AP? Access Point?
04:14<dehqan>like security type and encryption type
04:14<tiberius>about the memory test - nope, not yet
04:14<dehqan>no there is not any access point
04:14<enouf>yes, WPA and WPA2are types - ask ##windows over on freenode
04:14<Jusnetworx> get the .iso, burn to cd and boot to it...
04:15<Jusnetworx>then you will know for sure
04:15<enouf>about how to set up vista
04:15<dehqan>WAP is a encryption ype or security type ??
04:15<tiberius>Thx. I already have this..
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04:15<jm_>Jusnetworx: no need to, you just install memtest86 package and it can even add itself to boot menu if you use the right bootloader
04:15<enouf>Security type i suppose
04:16<enouf>Encryption type to me, implies which Algorithm or technology, i guess
04:16<tiberius>And if the memory test doesn't output any errors?
04:16<dehqan>should security types in both side similar ?
04:16<tiberius>Any other ideas?
04:16<jm_>for grub you just uncomment it
04:16<enouf>Cipher (with/without hash) and such
04:16<XayOn>dehqan: yes, wap is an encryption type. enouf it implies both ;-)
04:17*enouf never heard of WAP .. i've heard of WOPR though ;-P
04:17<XayOn>Is that some kind of hamburguer encryption?
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04:17<enouf>yeah, the McDonald's Hamburglar cracks the code :-P
04:18<enouf>lookup an old 80s movie called War Games
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04:18<pbn>actually the *real* computer at the NORAD was called BRGR
04:18<enouf>"Would you like to play a game Dr Falkner?"
04:19<pbn>so WOPR was a pun on BRGR
04:19<enouf>pbn: not LaRoyale?
04:19<enouf>er Le... heh
04:19<pbn>Professor Falken
04:19<pbn>Professor, not Doctor :)
04:19<enouf>How about a nice game of Chess?
04:19<pbn>Is it the game or is it real ?
04:19<enouf>leave me alone - got music on my mind ...
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04:20<pbn>No terminal is available at your classified address
04:20<enouf>switches movies -- "Dave; You know i can't allow you to do that"
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04:20<enouf><hint> hal9000
04:21<enouf>pbn: but thanks for flagging this channel via homeland security and the NSA, via your reference to norad .. heh
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04:26<tiberius>thx. for all suggestions!
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04:28<dehqan2><dehqan> no here in vista Wap is in security type list and WEB is in encryption type list
04:28<dehqan2><dehqan> WAP > WPA meant
04:28<dehqan2><dehqan> no here in vista WPA-2 is in security type list and WEB is in encryption type list
04:28<dehqan2><dehqan> there is need to know
04:28<dehqan2><dehqan> if in vista and linux security sets OPEN(no athentication) and encryption tpye sets in both side set NONE will network work ?
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04:33<dehqan2>XayOn: any opinion about these :
04:34<dehqan2><dehqan> if in vista and linux security sets OPEN(no athentication) and encryption tpye sets in both side set NONE will network work ?
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04:35<dehqan2> if in vista and linux security sets OPEN(no athentication) and encryption tpye sets in both side set NONE will network work ?
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04:43<ocelot>hi all
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05:01<Jusnetworx>ok, I fixed a couple of my bash scripts. If I run them as root, they execute fine. If I call them from apache sudo'd i get an error message
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05:02<Jusnetworx>yielded return value=1, first line of output=,
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05:03<peej>I'm trying to add to my sources.list and have tried permutations of deb lenny-backports/ but after running apt-get install ekiga, I get: Failed to fetch 404 Not Found and similar. Clues?
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05:07<panthera>peej: for 'plain' repositories, the urls are 'deb http://foo/bar/baz/ ./'
05:08<craigevil>deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free why not just use that? :)
05:08<peej>panthera: thanks.
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05:10<peej>craigevil: not in there afaik.
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05:10<craigevil>ah your right
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05:36<christoph>I do have now a addon-hal-policy for X11 -> which is acutally loaded. However the emulate wheel does not work. Anything apparent I'm doing wrong?
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05:39<vvas>hm, let me have a look
05:39<vvas>does your lshal show these options actually applying to the trackpoint?
05:39<christoph>vvas: yep it does, I can pastebin the relevant section
05:41<vvas>you probably need YAxisMapping too, see
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05:42<vvas>in general i would recommend following the instructions there about the format of the fdi file, they certainly worked for me
05:43<vvas>though IIRC I only put in the options that were strictly necessary, namely EmulateWheel, EmulateWheelButton and YAxisMapping
05:44<christoph>vvas: let me try, thanks
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05:44<christoph>:) works now
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05:45<christoph>shouldn't have edited the /usr/share file in the first place ;)
05:45<christoph>stupid idea
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05:46<vvas>*nod*, you'd lose the changes on the next upgrade
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05:46<christoph>vvas: exactly :)
05:47<christoph>that's why I asked ;)
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05:47<christoph>and yes I should have known that before
05:47<vvas>and remember, thinkwiki is your friend :)
05:48<vvas>i should fix that bit about vertical/horizontal scrolling at that page though
05:48*vvas does that now
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06:29<jaalto>I get lintan error empty-debian-diff, but ../build-area/ace-of-penguins_1.2-9.diff.gz does contain /debian directories and others. What does the message mean? The lintian-info is a little cryptic
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06:31<cgc>jaalto: did you read ?
06:32<jaalto>cgc: That's the same text that lintian-info says. I don't understand what is the problem. When files should I check?
06:32<jaalto>When -> What
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06:34<jaalto>lsdiff -z ../build-area/ace-of-penguins_1.2-9.diff.gz lists lot of files including debian/ dir.
06:35<cgc>well, it should only show debian/* and modified source files
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06:36<cgc>are you patching upstream sources?
06:36<jaalto>cgc: It does. I don't undestand the "empty" it's saying. What is empty?
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06:37<jaalto>cgc: Yes. The upstream sources are patches. After debuild, there is standard diff file, but lintian is not happy.
06:38<cgc>theoretically this error means that your diff.gz is empty...I don't really understand what's hapenning
06:38<themill>jaalto: presumably lintian is looking at a different .diff.g file
06:39<jaalto>themill: I would very much like to it to tell me what file that would be :-=) It's like puching air.
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06:42<jm_>strace shall show it I suppose
06:43<katmai>i have problems with my wireless connection. I have to setup my wireless every time i boot up my linux. I use ndiswrapper drivers
06:43<katmai>i need help
06:43<jaalto>jm_: for Lintian perl script?
06:43<jm_>jaalto: yup
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06:44<jaalto>jm_: How do I do that with debuild call: debuild -rfakeroot -uc -us --lintian-opts --display-info --show-overrides --display-experimental
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06:45<bremner>jaalto: you can always run lintian seperately
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06:46<katmai>also i have problems with my audio
06:47<jaalto>bremner: Checking...
06:47<jm_>jaalto: probably best to run it separately, otherwise it's strace -o str.txt -f debuild ...
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07:01<jaalto>jm_,bremner: running lintinan on built *.deb gives no such warnings, so it must be bug in the build chain (debuild, dpkg-*)
07:02<jaalto>jm_,bremner: thanks.
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07:02<bremner>jaalto: lintian gives different info when run on .changes
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07:03<jaalto>bremner: Ump. It's there.
07:03<Zahid>anybody tell me howto connect yahoo behind a firewall
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07:04<dr|z3d>Zahid: Try Tor, perhaps.
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07:05<Zahid>wat u mean
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07:07<jaalto>jm_: strace isn't that clear: stat("debfiles/files" ... open("diffstat" ... write(1, "W: ace-of-penguins source: empty-"
07:07<jaalto>That's about it.
07:07<dr|z3d>weasel: No www necessary, resolves fine without.
07:07<weasel>dr|z3d: it causes more load for me and it's slower for the user and it's wrong.
07:07<weasel>why are all those people arguing today
07:08<dr|z3d>weasel: It's just a vhost auto-redirect, no?
07:08<weasel>it's http_s_.
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07:11<Zahid>is there anything for iptables
07:12<dr|z3d>Firestarter, perhaps//
07:13<Zahid>i am talking about iptables
07:14<dr|z3d>Your question wasn't exactly clear. "anything for iptables" doesn't convey much..
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07:14<peej>zahid, if you have access to the firewall, you can modify the iptables entries.
07:15<Zahid>i have allow all ports but inspite of this it not connect
07:16<peej>z, did you flush after dropping? Give more details.
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07:19<Zahid>my iptables rules are these ... # Unlimited access to loop back
07:19<Zahid>iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
07:19<Zahid>iptables -A OUTPUT -o lo -j ACCEPT
07:19<Zahid># Allow UDP, DNS and Passive FTP
07:19<Zahid>iptables -A INPUT -i $INTERNET -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
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07:20<jm_>jaalto: it might be it runs a command and reads its output, you'd have to check what it reall does
07:21<bremner>jaalto: can you put your source package somewhere I can dget it from?
07:21<bremner>jaalto: by the way, what are you trying to do?
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07:26<stuckey_>I need to install nvidia-glx-ia32, but aptitude says it has an unmet dependency (ia32-libx11-6).
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07:27<stuckey_>It says that nvidia-glx-ia32 is broken.
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07:59<cahoot>stuckey_: just out of curiosity - this is an ithanium system?
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07:59<jm_>sounds like amd64 to me
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08:00<cahoot>so what does -ia32 imply?
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08:01<leejongwook>how do i upgrade perl_5.10 to perl_5.10.0-2x ?
08:01<bremner>still after the one true screen capture utility?
08:01<stuckey_>cahoot: it's amd64
08:02<leejongwook>yes :)
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08:03<jm_>cahoot: that it contains 32bit stuff
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08:03<bremner>leejongwook: I assume the package you are trying to install is from sid?
08:03<cahoot>I see - I'm just confused
08:03<leejongwook>test and unstable
08:03<stuckey_>I need it for a game
08:04<leejongwook>both has what i want
08:04<leejongwook>have :P
08:04<bremner>!tell leejongwook about ssb
08:04<leejongwook>sid ?
08:04<leejongwook>sid == unstable
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08:04<stuckey_>The debian website lists nvidia-glx-ia32 as being only in stable---can I install something from stable into sid?
08:04<bremner>not in general
08:05<leejongwook>that's ok but to use shutter, i need to upgrade my perl version
08:05<jm_>yeah I am not sure what's the idea behind this either
08:05<stuckey_>What should I do here then? It appears that nvidia-glx-ia32 isn't in sid.
08:05<bremner>leejongwook: are you sure you can't just adjust the dependences are recompile
08:05<jm_>stuckey_: the package is nvidia-glx
08:05<badsanta>hi guys , how can i configure wifi on a acer aspire 5920 notebook running lenny?
08:06<leejongwook>after i upgraded it it keep says that i need to down grade my perl to default version
08:06<stuckey_>jm_: yeah, that one is already installed. I need the ia32 libs.
08:06<leejongwook>xchat and irssi <-- these uses perl_5.10.0(default version)
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08:07<leejongwook>shutter <-- this uses perl_5.10.0-2x
08:07<bremner>leejongwook: right, so make a backport of shutter
08:07<leejongwook>how do i use backport ?
08:08<jm_>stuckey_: is this in chroot?
08:08<leejongwook>test and unstable <-- are these backport ?
08:08<bremner>leejongwook: see private message from dpkg
08:08<stuckey_>jm_: no, regular system
08:08<leejongwook>thanks :)
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08:08<themill>backporting perl sounds ugly
08:08<gsimmons>dpkg: tell badsanta -about iwlwifi
08:09<jm_>stuckey_: you probably want 32bit chroot for such stuff
08:09<leejongwook>wow sounds like not that easy
08:09<stuckey_>jm_: to play a game that needs x11?
08:09<leejongwook>bremner thanks :)
08:09<jm_>stuckey_: yup
08:09<jm_>stuckey_: assuming it's 32bit one
08:09<stuckey_>It's a 32 bit one
08:10<leejongwook>going to google for further
08:10*leejongwook abc
08:10*leejongwook going to google for further :)
08:10<jm_>penumbra games are weird/hard ;)
08:10<stuckey_>jm_: Ah, you've played them?
08:11<jm_>stuckey_: seen someone playing one
08:11<stuckey_>Is it work setting up a chroot to play?
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08:11<themill>leejongwook: shutter itself seems to backport quite happily (if it's a perl script, it should!). Whether the backport works or not is another matter of course (/msg dpkg backport caveat). But you don't need to go anywhere near perl for this, just shutter.
08:12<leejongwook><-- learning about backport :)
08:12<jm_>better ask someone who's into such games
08:12<leejongwook> <-- good explain about backport @_@
08:12<stuckey_>jm_: If setting up a chroot isn't that hard I suppose I'll try it.
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08:13<leejongwook>:) thank you themill :P
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08:13<themill>leejongwook: that's not what we're talking about though. You need to make your *own* backport of shutter. (And those instructions are for for etch not lenny)
08:14<leejongwook>for my own backport @_@ hmm..
08:14<leejongwook>deep :)
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08:15<stuckey_>How do I setup a 32bit chroot to play a game?
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08:16<leejongwook>i've got it :)
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08:16<leejongwook> <-- good
08:16<leejongwook>Backports are recompiled packages from testing (mostly) and unstable.
08:16<leejongwook>so you all meant get the source package and re-compile
08:16<leejongwook>no ? :P
08:17<jm_>stuckey: check debian's amd64 howto or debian-administration site
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08:18<bremner>leejongwook: pretty much
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08:18<leejongwook>you said pretty much no or yes :P
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08:19<jaalto>BTS question: package A depends on LIB. A is the only one using LIB. A is completely unusable (errors etc), because LIB is dysfunctional. I have filed grave for A, but what is the correct BTS approach for this?
08:19<leejongwook>sounds more closed to affirmation
08:19<jaalto>Should I file grave for LIB too?
08:19<stuckey>jm_: I just discovered that I already set one up---how do I tell if it's amd64 or 32bit?
08:19<jaalto>A is the client program.
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08:21<jaalto>... then merbe bug#A and bug#LIB ?
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08:22<jaalto>Hm. There is also 'affects' which I have never used. How does that fif?
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08:25<stuckey>Anyone know how to tell what architecture a chroot is?
08:26<jm_>stuckey: run uname -a in it
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08:27<stuckey>damn it's amd64
08:27<tofighn>where am i?
08:27<jm_>stuckey: maybe run file /lib/ instead
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08:28<jm_>or file /lib/*
08:28<jm_>libc* even
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08:29<stuckey>jm_: Do what?
08:29<stuckey>I can run libary files?
08:30<petemc>you might want to look into what it is file does
08:30<EmleyMoor>No, run "file" on it
08:31<EmleyMoor>(hint: It does not scrape a bit off!)
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08:37<jm_>stuckey: "file /lib/libc*"
08:38<stuckey>jm_: In the chroot or on the regular system?
08:38<jm_>stuckey: all of this should be performed in chroot
08:38<jm_>but yes you can run /lib/libc-2.*.so for example
08:38<jm_>not that it does anything useful :)
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08:38<LeoLolo>share in the samba and leave a folder invisible?
08:38<jm_>yup it's 64 bit
08:39<stuckey>jm_: So I have to make another one?
08:39<jm_>stuckey: I guess
08:39<stuckey>How do I enter a chroot?
08:40<jm_>chroot command
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08:40<stuckey>I just did cd /var/chroot
08:40<stuckey>It's with schroot
08:40<stuckey>not chroot, I know that
08:40<jm_>no that won't work then
08:40<jm_>that's just a wrapper arround it
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09:02<leejongwook>bremner, themill muah :x i made it !! but didn't use backport @_@
09:02<leejongwook>bremner, themill for shutter_0.70.2-2( + for libproc-simple-perl( and install all other dependencies without using test and unstable
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09:04<leejongwook>shutter_0.70.2-2 from ubuntu <-- no need to upgrade perl
09:04<leejongwook>works fine with lenny @_@
09:04<themill>just recompile the package, no need to upgrade perl
09:04<leejongwook>happy happy :)
09:04<leejongwook>couldn't find the source package @_@
09:05<themill>leejongwook: at some stage, your frankenbuntu is going to get very unhappy. When that happens, remember that you did this....
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09:05<themill>leejongwook: then you didn't read what dpkg said very carefully.
09:06<leejongwook>frankenbuntu ?
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09:07<leejongwook>well whoever is, sorry to frankenbuntu if he's not happy because of me
09:09<leejongwook><--- figuring out what i did wrong @_@
09:11<dpkg>well, frankenbuntu is a MONSTER that no-one in #debian will want to help you with. Mixing packages between different debian releases is prone to disaster, mixing packages between different distros (such as Debian and Ubuntu) is worse. Don't do it. And if you do, make sure you tell people who are helping you resolve dependency issues in the future that you did this! Ask me about <bobbitt>
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09:14<stuckey>jm_: I always used schroot to access the chroot
09:14<leejongwook>who is resolving dependency issues ?
09:14<jm_>stuckey: sure, that's fine
09:15<themill>leejongwook: someone here will be for you one day if you keep mixing packages from different distributions
09:16<leejongwook>@_@ but it was for my personal pc, not for share @_@
09:16<leejongwook><-- have not that much skill
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09:18<leejongwook>i think that it won't screw up the whole structures because i mixed up the packages for myself
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09:21<stuckey>jm_: What's the purpose of adding the library path of my chroot to my /etc/
09:21<leejongwook>hmm that's really deep , i may have to think about it with a little more enough time, for now, can't get it
09:23<jm_>stuckey: to be honest, I have no idea
09:23<stuckey>I'll just assume it is done correctly on
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09:26<ema>installer firmware
09:26<ema><installer firmare>
09:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:28<ema>i am trying to install my intel 3945abg for wifi
09:29<rmrfchik>hmm, dd if=/dev/zero of=./test.img bs=572041216 count=1;
09:29<rmrfchik>572041216 bytes (572 MB) copied, 32.0102 seconds, 17.9 MB/s
09:29<ema>and i cannot find the hotplug package on lenny
09:29<rmrfchik>and system is unresponsible during dd
09:29<azeem_>ema: hotplug got superseded by udev
09:29<stuckey>Has anyone here played any of the Penumbra games?
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09:32<rjent>Greetings, I have a project that requires a dual boot setup of Debian and WinXP can I do Debian as the primary OS?
09:32<ema>thank you i will try
09:32<rmrfchik>anyone suffer from large iowait?
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09:32<handjob>Good morning gentleman. I am wandering how can i enable java in 'iceweasel' and even more important do i have good java components installed. This is what 'dpkg -l | grep java' returns
09:32<cahoot>rjent: primary in what respect?
09:33<rjent>cahoot: Debian base install with room left for Win and boot from grub.
09:33<rjent>boot from grub to select Debian or Win
09:33<rmrfchik>32 secs to create 500mb file is insane.
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09:33<themill>dpkg: tell handjob about install java
09:34<cahoot>rjent: windows tends to overwrite grub - so that's one thing you'll have to remedy later
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09:36<stuckey>I'm getting this error when I try to run something: ./penumbrademo.bin: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
09:36<stuckey>I'm getting this after setting up a 32 bit chroot, and I'm running it in the 32 bit chroot.
09:36<stuckey>It's the same damn error I got when trying to run it in a 64 bit enviroment.
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09:37<rjent>cahoot: but what I am wanting to do is practical yes?
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09:38<handjob>themill, theanks themill thanks dpkg ; p
09:38<cahoot>rjent: AIUI yes - but I've not installed windows since 2000 or so
09:39<shay>hello guys, i've recently noticed about the openssl bugs discovered on Debian and about the problem with GPG keys, how can I know if I should create a new keypair?
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09:41<stuckey>What provides
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09:41<stuckey>I installed a chroot with debootstrap so that I could play a 32 bit game. Do I have to install all of the nvidia shit onto the chroot too?
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09:43<stuckey>What all do I have to install?
09:44<vvas>you need nvidia-glx (and any of its dependencies, obviously)
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09:44<stuckey>How do I become root in a chroot? I typed su but it says "su: must be run from a terminal"
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09:45<vvas>works for me
09:46<handjob>Gentleman what is the difference between 'killall' and 'kill xxx'?
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09:46<vvas>alternatively, you can obviously become root first and then enter the chroot
09:47<Vroomfon1le>handjob: killall takes a process name and kills all processes which match, kill takes a PID of a specific process or processes
09:47<stuckey>What text editor do I have in the chroot?
09:47<stuckey>vim isn't there
09:47<stuckey>and I can't install it with aptitude
09:47<handjob>Vroomfon1le, Thank you.
09:48<vvas>stuckey, this channel is for help, but it's not here to handhold you towards every single step of your computer administration
09:48<stuckey>That doesn't really help me.
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09:51<stuckey>I get this error when trying to install nvidia-glx: I expected it to install nvidia-glx.
09:52<vvas>... which is solved the same way you solved it for your main installation
09:52<stuckey>I don't remember how I solved it for my main installation.
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09:52<stuckey>Do you know?
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09:53<rmrfchik>stuckey: m-a a-i nvidia
09:53<stuckey>Why is it that we use module assistant instead of aptitude?
09:54<themill>stuckey: check your irc client's logs
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09:54<rmrfchik>stuckey: because this is how it's done in non free world
09:56<stuckey>Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could ▒ │ not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers ▒ │ to use.
09:56<stuckey>rmrfchik: That's what it says
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09:56<rmrfchik>stuckey: install headers then
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09:56<stuckey>rmrfchik: apt-get install headers?
09:57<stuckey>I'm doing this in a chroot if it makes any difference.
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09:57<rmrfchik>it makes.
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09:58<stuckey>rmrfchik: What difference does it make?
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09:59<rmrfchik>it very depends on your root. i suppose you have no kernel headers in root
09:59<rmrfchik>if you smart enough to know you need chroot and use it, you can understand, why it makes difference
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10:00<stuckey>I don't agree with that
10:00<stuckey>someone on here told me to use a chroot
10:00<stuckey>OH wait, yeah okay I agree. But remember that I wasn't smart enough to know that I needed a chroot
10:00<Gekz_>a chroot for what
10:00<stuckey>Penumbra game
10:00<Gekz_>32bit in 64bit?
10:00<Gekz_>chroot is easiest
10:00<Gekz_>multilib is ugly
10:01<Gekz_>and Penumbra is good :)
10:01<stuckey> linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 doesn't exist
10:01<Gekz_>oh dear
10:01<stuckey>It told me I needed that but aptitude say it doesn't exist.
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10:01<stuckey>Do I need amd64 headers? I thought I'm doing this in a 32 bit chroot and need 32 bit headers?
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10:01<stuckey>Gekz_: you play the penumbra games? They're good?
10:01<Gekz_>stuckey: I played the demo
10:01<Gekz_>and enjoyed it
10:01<stuckey>How'd you get it to work?
10:02<Gekz_>I use arch linux primarily
10:02<Gekz_>so, yeah
10:02<Gekz_>cant you use debootstreap
10:02<stuckey>Yep I used it.
10:02<Gekz_>to bootstrap a 32bit chroot
10:02<stuckey>That's what I did
10:02<Gekz_>and now it wants amd64 headers?
10:02<Gekz_>oh right
10:02<Gekz_>64bit kernel
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10:02<Gekz_>did you debootstrap sid?
10:03<Gekz_>are you sure?
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10:03<Gekz_>well, do you have that package in your cache?
10:03<Gekz_>you could jusqt dpkg -i it
10:03<stuckey>Which package?
10:03<Gekz_>the heades
10:03<julius>running "aptitude search libglu1-mesa-dev" prints one line, starting with: pi what does the p stand for?
10:04<Gekz_>oh wait
10:04<Gekz_>stuckey: dude, did you copy /etc/resolv.conf to your chroot?
10:04<Gekz_>and bind /dev
10:04<Gekz_>mount proc, sys
10:04<Gekz_>possibly bind your home
10:04<Gekz_>and bind tmp
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10:06<stuckey>Gekz_: debian-adminstration didn't say anything about copying /etc/resolve.conf to the chroot
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10:06<Gekz_>stuckey: debian-administration is not my lord.
10:07<Gekz_>stuckey: I'm going by experience
10:07<Gekz_>on running any chroot ever
10:07<Gekz_>the same methodology applies for all distros, really
10:07<stuckey>Gekz_: okay so what do I do?
10:07<stuckey>I mounted all of the points
10:07<Gekz_>copied resolv.conf?
10:08<Gekz_>once you copy resolv, try to run aptitude or apt-get
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10:08<stuckey>Gekz_: what do you mean copy resolv.conf?
10:08<Gekz_>cp /etc/resolv.conf /path/to/chroot/etc/
10:08<Gekz_>otherwise you cant get internet in your chroot
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10:09<stuckey>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64"
10:09<Gekz_>apt-get update
10:09<stuckey>Is that what I'm supposed to be installling?
10:09<Gekz_>I'd say os
10:10<julius>search for linux-headers
10:10<stuckey>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-headers-2.6.26-amd64"
10:10<Gekz_>you're doing it wrong
10:10<Gekz_>it's midnight
10:10<Gekz_>and I didnt notice
10:10<Gekz_>stuckey: silly man
10:10<julius>aptitude search linux-headers
10:10<Gekz_>you're copy-pasting old stuff
10:10<stuckey>I'm just guessing
10:10<stuckey>I don't know what I'm doing.
10:11<Gekz_>stuckey: linux-headers-2.6-amd64
10:11<Gekz_>apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-amd64
10:11<stuckey>and now do m-a a-i nvidia again?
10:12<Gekz_>um, you could try
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10:12<stuckey>│ Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could ▒
10:12<stuckey> │ not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers ▒
10:12<stuckey> │ to use. ▒
10:12<Gekz_>link me to the page you're using
10:12<Gekz_>so I can critique it
10:12<stuckey> │ the page i'm using?
10:12<stuckey>I'm just doing m-a a-i nvidia
10:12<stuckey>That's what someone on here told me to do.
10:12<stuckey>I don't have a page
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10:13<Gekz_>doing m-a a-i where?
10:13<Gekz_>in the chroot?
10:13<stuckey>as root
10:13<themill>it shouldn't really be necessary to compile the kernel module inside the chroot should it?
10:13<Gekz_>themill: yeah
10:13<Gekz_>I was thinking that
10:13<Gekz_>just the libraries
10:13<themill>(you're not going to be able to modprobe it after all)
10:13<Gekz_>stuckey: you're biting off a lot more than you know how to chew :D
10:14<stuckey>It's a chroot, so at least this time, if I hose it, all will be okay.
10:14<Gekz_>haha yep
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10:17<stuckey>So what do I do?
10:17<Gekz_>cry a little
10:18<stuckey>Penumbra still doesn't work...
10:18<Gekz_>you could try this on your main system
10:18<stuckey>That doesn't install
10:18<stuckey>The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx-ia32: Depends: ia32-libx11-6 which is a virtual package.
10:18<Gekz_>in the chroot
10:19<Gekz_>in the chroot
10:19<Gekz_>apt-get install nvidia-glx
10:19<Gekz_>no need to buidl the kernel module
10:19<stuckey> nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-185.18.14 which is a virtual package.
10:19<stuckey>Resolve these dependencies by hand? [N/+/-/_/:/?]
10:19<Gekz_>chroots suck
10:19<Gekz_></3 debian
10:19<stuckey>!dependency hell
10:19<dpkg>from memory, dependency hell is the situation caused by RPMs, when Package A needs Package B, and Package B needs packages c and d, etc...
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10:20<rjent>cahoot: I have a preseed information for partitioning set as follows and trying to leave the the last partition for the Win part.
10:20<Gekz_>stuckey: have you looked up anything about debian and multilib?
10:20<rjent>cahoot: does that layout look ok?
10:20<stuckey>Gekz_: no
10:20<stuckey>What's multilib?
10:20<Gekz_>stuckey: that might be the next best attack
10:20<Gekz_>32bit apps in a 64bit userland
10:20<stuckey>I should be able to do this in a chroot... shouldn't I?
10:20<Gekz_>no chroot required
10:20<stuckey>jm_ told me to use a chroot
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10:21<themill>stuckey: what's the host system running? lenny? squeeze?
10:21<stuckey>I've already invested time in this chroot
10:21<Gekz_>well this is evidently not working out well for you
10:21<stuckey>themill: sid
10:21<themill>stuckey: ia32 stuff in sid is going through a pretty rough ride at the moment, but you'd know that because you follow debian mailing lists being a sid user, don't you?
10:22<stuckey>themill: which mailing lists should I subscribe to?
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10:22<themill>stuckey: if you're running sid, you should be at least on d-devel-announce and probably d-devel as well so that you can keep pace with how sid is been broken this week
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10:23<Gekz_>stuckey: if you value your sleep, you'll reinstall with squeeze
10:24<Gekz_>and breathe easy like a normal person :)
10:24<stuckey>Gekz_: sid has been much easier for me than stable or squeeze
10:24<stuckey>Because of the newer packages.
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10:26<stuckey>themill: okay subscribed.
10:26<stuckey>Gekz_: seriously
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10:27<themill>stuckey: remember that sid users are also supposed to be self-supporting. #debian doesn't have the resources to support people over every little hiccough that sid will hit you with. Like this one.
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10:28<stuckey>themill: this is a sid problem?
10:28<stuckey>themill: so maybe I should have made my chroot to be lenny?
10:28<themill>well, it's either a sid problem or a stuckey problem...
10:28<Gekz_>both methinks
10:29<stuckey>I need more games
10:30<stuckey>Okay so I'll remove the sid chroot and install a lenny chroot
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10:32<stuckey>What do I do to make the lenny chroot sufficient for penumbra?
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10:50<Casnik>any 3.1 buffs here?
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10:52<cahoot>like win-3.1?
10:53<Casnik>I am trying to limit my packages to the ones on the DVD .iso
10:53<Casnik>and can't seem to apt-get sudo ... don't know why
10:53<Casnik>just says no file
10:53<azeem_>pastebin the full output, including the command
10:53<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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10:54<dasenjo>hello I'm using debian etch apache package (2.2.3) with a mod_proxy configuration. It works well, but the balancer-manager web interface does not enable nor disable workers, someone can help me?
10:55<zaz>hi people I have heard a lot that ftp file transfer is insecure. Could you explain me please what are the risks if I am going to upload a file from my personal computer to some server? - thanks I
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10:56<bja>!ops mama21mama is spamming
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10:57<OdyX>zaz: somebody might read your file and get access to all your files on the given server by getting your password
10:57<azeem_>Casnik: maybe you did not mount the DVD?
10:58<Casnik>I did
10:58<Casnik>I tried mounting both (there are 2)
10:58<zaz>OdyX - this is since the password was sent as a simple text right? (not encrypted)
10:58<azeem_>Casnik: you should add CDs/DVDs via apt-cdrom, not by adding a deb file:/// source for them
10:58<Casnik>ok then that's what I need to know how to do
10:59<OdyX>zaz: exactly
10:59<azeem_>man apt-cdrom
10:59<Casnik>k thanks
10:59<OdyX>zaz: its not trivial to listen to one's traffic, but once done, getting the FTP pass is straight forward where getting an SCP-SSH pass is way harder
11:00<zaz>OdyX: what about the files on my personal computer? is it possible to get access to them also during the ftp session?
11:00<OdyX>zaz: not if you trust the server
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11:02<Casnik>azeem_ wrong window
11:02<zaz>OdyX: and what if I want to download the files from the server by ftp? is there any risk for my personal comp, or only the risk for the server's folders?
11:02<OdyX>zaz: I can't promise anything, but I'd say that downloading is okay
11:02<OdyX>(assuming that your client can be trusted)
11:03<OdyX>in download, FTP is mostly as dangerous as HTTP I'd say
11:03<Casnik>azeem_ but yeah ... this was already done on this system
11:03<themill>anonymous ftp is fine security wise, it's just a pain in the arse to deal with if you have a moderately complex network setup
11:03<zaz>the point is that I tried scp and rsync, and sftp, but they are much slower than ftp, and what is worse, the connection drops very often and I must restart it manually...
11:03<azeem_>Casnik: so maybe there is a stray file:// source you need to remove in favor of the cdrom source?
11:04<Casnik>I can look
11:04<OdyX>zaz: did you try ssh compression (-C) ?
11:04<zaz>OdyX - nope - what is it good for?
11:04<OdyX>it is good to compress ... ^|^
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11:05<OdyX>aka less bandwith but more CPU on both sides
11:05<zaz>OdyX :)) - i see
11:05<Casnik>well I got 3 lines in my sources.list
11:05<Casnik>deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main
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11:05<themill>OdyX, zaz: it depends a lot on your network... if it's a local connection then you want to get rid of compression as you'll find that the transfer becomes cpu-limited
11:06<zaz>OdyX: do you mean that with -C I will get disconnected less often?
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11:06<OdyX>zaz: not related imho
11:06<OdyX>themill: true
11:06<zaz>I do not think this is the cpu-problem
11:06<Casnik>well the other line is deb cdrom [Debian GNU/Linux .....
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11:06<themill>zaz: if you're having disconnection problems then rsync is good for being able to resume the download
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11:08<zaz>themill: yes, it is right. the point is that rsync itself disconnects very often. much more ofeten that sftp. (although rsync is faster than sftp).
11:08<mouse>anyone have installed debian 5 on hppa? (hp 9000 k class)
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11:09<zaz>themill: i see, you mean that compression needs CPU
11:09<themill>oh yes....
11:10<zaz>btw - can I store my password for ssh-coonections in a file, so that ssh will take it from it?
11:10<zaz>(and rsync)
11:11<themill>!ssh without passwd
11:11<dpkg>hmm... ssh without passwd is (1) on the client: ssh-keygen -t rsa (2) append the contents of the client's ~/.ssh/ to the server's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys (3) on the client: make sure 'Protocol 2' or 'Protocol 2,1' is in ~/.ssh/config or /etc/ssh/ssh_config
11:11<zaz>wow! thx
11:11<zaz>!rsync without passwd
11:11<bja>zaz there are a few programms that enable that
11:12<bja>zaz: the underlying transport layer on rsync is ssh
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11:13<bja>zaz: btw encryption is a close relative of compression
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11:14<DragonM>12 hours of uptime and kernel 2.6.26 continue humming along.
11:14<DragonM>ugh. Too early.
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11:14<azeem_>DragonM: please stay on topic
11:14<DragonM>What the hell are you babbling about?
11:14<DragonM>I spent over 4 hours here yesterday BEING the topic.
11:15<DragonM>That was an update for the kind souls who helped me.
11:15<bja>DragonM: Acording to my logs it was longer
11:15<DragonM>Longer, then.
11:15<DragonM>(I did say over...)
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11:17<DragonM>It appears kernel 2.6.18 is toxic on IBM NetVista Celeron machines, for whatever reason.
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11:18<kardan>hi i just migrated to sid and get: Starting Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD Daemon: avahi-daemonTimeout reached while wating for return value
11:18<kardan>Could not receive return value from daemon process.
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11:19<OdyX>kardan: this is Sid
11:19<dpkg>i guess sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
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11:20<kardan>is this problem known?
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11:21<zazz>OdyX : sorry was disconnected.
11:21<azeem_>kardan: check the bts
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11:21<OdyX>zazz: don't ping me directly...
11:21<kardan>because of avahi, dbus, hal are not starting and xserver-xorg cant be set up
11:21<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
11:21<zazz>OdyX : I did not ping you at all...
11:21<azeem_>kardan: looks like you shouldn't be running sid
11:21<coldinhand>hi. error on cd1, size of file: 0mb.
11:21<dpkg>Yes, odyx, you are online.
11:22<azeem_>coldinhand: those are not meant for end-users
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11:22<OdyX>zazz: true... you did highlight me by typing my pseudo
11:22<kardan>azeem_ looks like i am running it first time
11:22<OdyX>kardan: did you run testing before ?
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11:23<OdyX>and did you report and fix bugs
11:23<kardan>got kinda boring and I would like to help the community a bit more
11:23<zazz>OdyX - this bothers you? if i do not do this you will not notice that I address you...
11:23<kardan>just one this night
11:23<OdyX>zazz: well... I don't know you... I just hang over here to sporadically help...
11:23<zazz>no pb, thanx anyway
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11:24<OdyX>kardan: Sid users are supposed to find their way out and not asking for help here...
11:24<DragonM>Darn. debuser4235 signed off 3 hours ago...
11:24<azeem_>kardan: sorry, but by running sid without the required knowledge, you're not helping the community
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11:24<OdyX>kardan: if you find a problem 1) go to the bts to search if one did already report 2) report 3) fix
11:24<coldinhand>azeem_: I know, I just report about bug..
11:24<azeem_>coldinhand: in here?
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11:25<DragonM>Perhaps you should suggest the Debian bugtracker next time.
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11:26<kardan>odyx thanks, i know this process from other projects already
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11:26<kardan>just the abbreviation bts was not common for me
11:26<OdyX>kardan: then don't ask here :-)
11:28<dasenjo>I'm using the debian etch apache package (2.2.3) with a mod_proxy configuration. It works well, but the balancer-manager web interface does not enable nor disable workers, someone can help me?
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11:42<xanonus>A general question: Is there a irc channel for discussing bugs/problems in sid or testing? I know that sid is only for "developers/experts" who know what they do and how to fix things. But how does debian get new testers if there is no place (beside often slow bts/mailing lists) for supporting them?
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11:43<bremner>xanonus: what kind of support do you need/want?
11:46<xanonus>bremner: it is a "general" question. At the moment I don't need support, but the problems in sid can come every update... and then it would be great if there is a channel where my questions will not be answered by "if you run sid - use bts/mailing lists"
11:47<petemc>xanonus: if you find bugs then the bts is the place to report them, if you arent able to determine if the problem is a bug or you doing something wrong, then you shouldnt be running sid
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11:47<petemc>plenty of non debian developers use sid tho, its just a matter of competance
11:48<Hydroxide>petemc: and willingness to deal with breakage
11:48<DragonM>Things might go faster and there might be less cruft in bts if there was somewhere sid users could simply ask "is anyone else seeing this or is it just me?"
11:49<OdyX>there might be less cruft in bts if people learned to use google
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11:51<DragonM>When Debian issues run the gamut from everybody has seen it and dealt with it and there's a documented solution procedure to wow what's this only 2 people on the planet have ever seen it, Google isn't always effective.
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11:53<DragonM>Case in point, my own problem. There were probably 2, maybe 3 kernel developers who knew that my system had issues with 2.6.18. They're the ones who fixed the issues. How many other people would know?
11:53<OdyX>DragonM: if a fix is well known, then somebody should have already done and submitted a patch... if a developer is too slow to react, then this person most probably did packages and noted that in the bugreport..
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11:53<miwfn>any1 know what is syslog
11:53<DragonM>People who read kernel tracker don't count. There's way too much traffic for anybody to retain memories of problems that don't affect them.
11:54<miwfn>rsyslogd at loading screen
11:54<OdyX>DragonM: you are welcome to create and maintain a "WellKnownSidIssues" wiki page - good luck
11:54<dondelelcaro>DragonM: it's not like the bts doesn't have a search engine and isn't indexed by google
11:54<OdyX>DragonM: that wiki page _is_ the bts
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11:55<OdyX>DragonM: you can improve the situation by reporting accurate and unique bugs, by fixing others bugs and by closing fixed, invalid or otherwise-done bugs
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11:57<DragonM>You misunderstand me. I just upgraded from sarge to etch this weekend, and felt rushed doing it. I didn't upgrade from potato to sarge until potato dropped out of old-archive. I run on the far trailing edge, unless I can't avoid upgrading.
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11:57<DragonM>The question of sid development is academic to me.
11:57<OdyX>DragonM: okay :-)
11:58<DragonM>Just trying to stay on topic. :P
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12:01<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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12:06<stuckey>How do I install nvidia drivers in lenny?
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12:06<stuckey>m-a a-i doesn't work
12:06<stuckey>It says kernel headers aren't installed.
12:06<stuckey>I installed kernel headers and it still doesn't work
12:07<stuckey>I just want to play a game that needs 32 bit... the host system is 64 bit. I've set up a chroot with 32 bit lenny
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12:07<azeem_>stuckey: what do you need m-a for then?
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12:07<stuckey>azeem_: To install nvidia drivers
12:08<azeem_>on lenny?
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12:08<stuckey>chroot lenny
12:08<themill>stuckey: you're not installing them in lenny then are you, you're installing them in a lenny chroot.
12:08<azeem_>you don't need m-a for that
12:08<azeem_>unless you have a custom kernel
12:08<stuckey>azeem_: What do i need to do
12:08<azeem_>stuckey: what is the host kernel?
12:09<azeem_>that's not a kernel version
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12:12<stuckey>I don't know what else to tell you
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12:12<DragonM>uname -a
12:12<stuckey>I downloaded the amd64 bit version and installed from that.
12:12<Casnik>stuckey: uname -a will tell him
12:12<stuckey>Linux debian 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jun 21 04:47:08 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
12:13<azeem_>stuckey: so a lenny kernel
12:13<azeem_>18:08 < azeem_> you don't need m-a for that
12:13<stuckey>azeem_: host system?
12:13<stuckey>It's sid, not lenny.
12:13<azeem_>just install the nvidia kernel driver
12:13<azeem_>stuckey: sid doesn't have 2.6.26 as kernel
12:13<stuckey>I'm quite certain that I have sid.
12:14<azeem_>well then, whatever
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12:14<stuckey>I need nvidia kernel driver
12:14<stuckey>How do I get this?
12:14<azeem_>you don't need it
12:14<azeem_>you want it
12:14<azeem_>big difference
12:14<DragonM>nvidia's own version is available as a direct download from them.
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12:15<azeem_>DragonM: please don't recommend that
12:15<stuckey>azeem_: We're assuming I want to play a game that does need the nvidia driver.
12:15<azeem_>stuckey: sid is not supported here, and the nvidia drivers are available for lenny
12:15<stuckey>Therefore I think it's okay to talk about me needing the nvidia driver.
12:15<azeem_>unless you run sid
12:15<stuckey>azeem_: I told you I'm using lenny
12:15<azeem_>18:13 < stuckey> I'm quite certain that I have sid.
12:16<DragonM>Sort of...
12:16<stuckey>azeem_: 18:07 < stuckey> chroot lenny
12:16<stuckey>azeem_: 18:07 < azeem_> on lenny?
12:16<stuckey>18:07 -!- Elton04069 [~Delphi@] has joined #debian
12:16<stuckey>18:07 < stuckey> Yes
12:16<azeem_>stuckey: obviously, what matters is the kernel
12:16<DragonM>Video drivers are kernel drivers. A chroot installation doesn't have its own kernel.
12:17<stuckey>So am I going about this the wrong way? I mean, is there a better way to run a 32bit program?
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12:18<DragonM>For certain things, there are 32 bit compatibility libraries that can be installed alongside 64 bit system libraries. I've used Sun's 32 bit Java interpreter that way, and it works, without chroot or virtualization.
12:18<DragonM>That option may not exist, for you.
12:18<DragonM>It depends on precisely what you need.
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12:19<stuckey>DragonM: I want to play this game, Penumba, and it's 32 bit.
12:19<stuckey>DragonM: nvidia-glx-ia32 doesn't exist for sid.
12:19<stuckey>DragonM: So someone, in this channel, told me to use a chroot.
12:19<stuckey>DragonM: But I don't know how to do that.
12:19<stuckey>I mean, I've got a chroot installed (used debootstrap, following the guide on
12:20<stuckey>but as far as how to configure it so that I can play penumba, I haven't a clue.
12:20<azeem_>is penumba packaged in lenny?
12:20<stuckey>Check it out, it's pretty cool:
12:21<DragonM>Attempting to run an ia32 game in 64 bit sid might be an exercise in futility.
12:21<azeem_>that doesn't answer my question
12:21<DragonM>Everything is against you.
12:21<stuckey>DragonM: What are my options? Find a machine with a 32 bit install?
12:21<bja>DragonM: stuckey is trying to do that since yesterday, but somehow his ia32 update got hosed
12:21<DragonM>Or add a partition to your own machine.
12:21<azeem_>dual-boot e.g.
12:22<stuckey>dual-boot scares me. Last two times I did that my system got hosed, and it was only by the kindness of jclinton that I got it back the last time.
12:22<stuckey>I'd need another hard drive...
12:22<azeem_>because you installe grub2 or something
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12:22<stuckey>azeem_: The installer did that.
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12:23<azeem_>or some funky all-drive LVN
12:23<stuckey>Yes, entire drive was lvn.
12:23<DragonM>Using a second hard drive is a fine idea. I do that, these days.
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12:23<DragonM>Drives are so very very cheap, it's often worth it.
12:23<DragonM>$35 for a brand new 80 GB drive from NewEgg.
12:23<stuckey>What do you buy?
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12:24<DragonM>By far not cost effective on a dollar per gigabyte basis, but in absolute terms, cheap.
12:24<DragonM>When a drive costs 3 pizzas, pretty much anybody can afford one.
12:25<stuckey>they've got a 500gb for 57 bucks
12:25<bja>DragonM: Can i get one pizza a beer and just half a drive?
12:25<DragonM>Much more cost effective.
12:25<stuckey>640 for 70
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12:25<DragonM>Which half do you want? The platter or the actuator arm? :)
12:26<stuckey>Thing about this is, I hate to buy a 500/640 gb hard drive just to use 5gb of it.
12:26<DragonM>How old is your current hard drive?
12:26<DragonM>Got another system with an older drive?
12:26<stuckey>Old powerbook with an 80gb 2.5"
12:27<dr|z3d>stuckey: Get a convertor to sata/ide for it, should be fine.
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12:34<DragonM>I see it's a commercial game. stuckey had sense enough to post on the game developer's own Linux support forum.
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12:34<DragonM>He got the right answer, but not a how-to.
12:35<fencepost>signed on way too fast using tor, heh
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12:36<fencepost>anyone else have problems with nvidia driver when restarting x, i was wondering if there was something i could do to properly re init it
12:36<fencepost>resolution goes really low and doesnt let me change with nvidia-settings
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12:42<fencepost>also found possible bug affecting term emulators, all of them not any one in particular, it would be the subsystem that runs the shells or something, no clue where i should report this, only tty differed in behavior
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12:43<xanonus>fencepost: how do you restart your x-server? perhaps something like for example TerminateServer=true in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc if you use kdm can help you.
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12:43<fencepost>i was just using control alt backspace
12:44<fencepost>i was having problems with tor exiting after running init script, and after outputting the lines onto my terminal 'socks listening om 9050' then an additional line saying there was a segfault in libcrypto
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12:45<xanonus>fencepost: ok - for this case, the option won't help.
12:45<fencepost>but from xterm or gnome terminal that last line wasnt shown
12:45<fencepost>only from tty1
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12:45<fencepost>could this be a problem with gui terminal emulators not receiving output properly
12:45<fencepost>not sure if its a bug
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12:47<fencepost>i guess a terminal emulator will only show output for the command running, not other messages, its probably normal
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12:48<achury1>Hello, I have a comment for developers. The CD disk 1 don't includes tools for dialup network conection. On older versions was allways included on disk 1. Believe it or not, remain millions of people in the world that have not high speed internet and need diañup on the base system in order to download aditional packages. Is included ppp package, but not wvdial or chat
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12:49<GrayThunder>where do i start looking for why lenny doesn't recognize my cd burner?
12:49<wekt>GrayThunder: lsscsi
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12:50<wekt>GrayThunder: or a graphical view of system devices. lsscsi is a command line program
12:50<GrayThunder>lsscsi: command not found
12:51<fencepost>packages over dialup would be painfully slow
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12:52<dr|z3d>GrayThunder: aptitude install gnome-device-manager or similar.
12:52<dr|z3d>That'll give you a good visual on what Debian's detected.
12:53<GrayThunder>dmesg doesn't show EITHER CD
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12:56<GrayThunder>gnome-device-manager doesn't show any CD's either
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12:56<dr|z3d>GrayThunder: Sure you've got them configured right? Master/slave/cable select..
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12:57<dr|z3d>I'm beginning to think you've got them chained wrongly.
12:57<GrayThunder>both were working before I ripped MS windows off this machine.
12:57<GrayThunder>ripped = deleted
12:57<dr|z3d>Ok, we can rule that out, then, I guess.
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12:58<wekt>GrayThunder: what kind of device bus? ATA? do you know?
12:58<GrayThunder>older Dell Deminsion 4100
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12:59<wekt>GrayThunder: you can still try lsscsi. You need to install the package called lsscsi. Modern ATA drives are handled as SCSI devices as far as upper layer drivers go.
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13:00<GrayThunder>installed lsscsi. ran lsscsi. returned nothing.
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13:03<kop>GrayThunder: I've had problems with cable select that go away when instead jumpered to master or slave. Linux tends to make better use of the hardware, and cable select is a hack.
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13:05<dr|z3d>Yup, agree with kop, there. Setting master/slave on the devices is the way to go.
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13:05<GrayThunder>I will have to tear the machine apart to check, but I believe that the CD's are setup as master/slave on IDE1
13:05<stuckey>DragonM: Yes, I posted in their forums. How do I install what the guy asked me to?
13:05<stuckey>DragonM: Ican't install it on the host system.... nvidia-glx-ia32 is broken right now.
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13:08<stuckey>DragonM: it doesn't install in lenny either
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13:08<azeem_>stuckey: what is "it"?
13:09<stuckey>azeem_: Well, the guy in their forums said, that I need to install the ia32 versions of the necessary libs (to get it working on my main system, a 64 bit system), since the Penumbra games are 32-bit.
13:09<dr|z3d>GrayThunder: Try detaching the slave, and booting with just the master attached.
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13:10<stuckey>azeem_: I was assuming that is nvidia-glx-ia32
13:10<fencepost>broken? if u have an older card u may need glx-legacy
13:10<azeem_>aren't you still missing the kernel driver?
13:10<fencepost>the newer driver wont work right on older cards
13:10<azeem_>I suggest you get your nvidia driver working on sid before you worry about your lenny chroot
13:11<stuckey>azeem_: Nvidia on host system is just fine.
13:11<GrayThunder>dr|z3d: will do. Back in a while.
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13:11<fencepost>if thats the case ull see it when x starts, not when installing, which may not be your case
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13:11<azeem_>stuckey: then you only need to install the nvidia-glx package in your chroot
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13:12<stuckey>azeem_: The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-185.18.14 which is a virtual package.
13:12<azeem_>I suggest you create an equivs package for that
13:12<dpkg>from memory, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal>
13:13<azeem_>you might need to create a second one for a similar virtual depends as well
13:13<azeem_>at least I had to last time I did that
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13:14<stuckey>azeem_: Can't I just force install it or something?
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13:15<azeem_>stuckey: did nobody tell you that force installing stuff is a bad idea?
13:15<stuckey>You're the first.
13:15<azeem_>so there.
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13:16<stuckey>How do I use equivs?
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13:17<azeem_>stuckey: start reading what dpkg said abov
13:17<stuckey>man equivs
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13:18<stuckey>There isn't much there in /usr/doc
13:18<stuckey>Just configuration files
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13:19<azeem_>stuckey: did you not learn how to list all the executable packages (and manpages) in a package?
13:20<azeem_>dpkg -L equivs
13:20<dpkg>No packages found matching equivs
13:20<azeem_>I'm off for dinner now, laters
13:20<stuckey>Why can't I just install the dependencies for nvidia-glx?
13:20<bja>azeem_: bon apetite
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13:46<jaalto>lintian says: "W: ace-of-penguins source: ancient-libtool ltconfig". Where can I find infomation how the re-libtoolize upgrade is done?
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13:51-!-mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ
13:51-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*] by stew
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13:51<arw>Chimpbama: :p
13:52<bremner>can we ban based on content? This one web site is a consistent spammer
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13:52<bremner>as well being repulsive racist pricks of course
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13:54<arw>probably... i think that he wants to start a flame or something else
13:54<blackxored>I'm setting up gforge, anyone knows what even If I choose Spanish as the default language in, it's still in english?
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13:55<dr|z3d>blackxored: Perhaps it's using your locale as the basis?
13:55<blackxored>dr|z3d, probably since the server is installed in english
13:55<blackxored>dr|z3d, so, workarounds?
13:56<fencepost>stew is freenode staff right, i knew freenode and oftc had ties
13:57<wubbbi>deb experimental main contrib non-free
13:57<wubbbi>is this correct?
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13:58<Torsten_W>wubbbi, correct for what?
13:58<mason_>hello, i get a virtual box error when starting it. Its making a virtual windows XP i get this error when starting it. - The VirtualBox kernel driver is not accessible to the current user. Make sure that the user has write permissions for /dev/vboxdrv by adding them to the vboxusers groups. You will need to logout for the change to take effect..
13:58<fencepost>i wonder why there is no truecrypt maintainer, ubuntu package seems to work fine however, just needs sudo setup
13:58<wubbbi>Torsten_W: for the experimental mirror
13:58<fencepost>maybe i should adopt it
13:58<Torsten_W>mason_, ur user has to be in the group vboxusers
13:58<fencepost>on etch its a pain, but works fine under lenny
13:59<mason_>Torsten_W, How do i go about doing this.
13:59<blackxored>so, anyone knows how to set gforge to spanish ???
13:59<Torsten_W>wubbbi, if u are sure, u will use experimental, sure
13:59<Torsten_W>mason_, mann adduser
14:00<wubbbi>Torsten_W: ok thx
14:00<Torsten_W>mason_, man adduser
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14:01<wubbbi>" please use a mirror, not ftp.d.o directly " ... what dows that mean? oO what mirror?
14:01<mason_>Torsten_W, Very confusion new to debian almost.
14:01<Torsten_W>mason_, and?
14:01<mason_>wubbi,Mirrors are web addresses not IP's
14:01<mason_>Torsten_W,I dont know what command to use.
14:01<Torsten_W>mason_, read the manpage!
14:02<Torsten_W>mason_, adduser username vboxusers as root
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14:02<dr|z3d>blackxored: "Workarounds" is "check the site forums etc".
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14:04<mason_>how do i add permissions though
14:04<mason_>it says it already exists.
14:05<fencepost>why is the most current version of iceweasel in lenny 3.0.6, newer version is in testing but not in lenny/security
14:05<fencepost>there are several sexploit fixes since 2.0.12
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14:05<jlouis>fencepost: Freudian slip :)
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14:06<fencepost>i would have assumed security would promptly patch it
14:06<fencepost>yes! heh
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14:07<fencepost>i remember when etch was stable releases were never more than a day or two behind mozilla
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14:09<jlouis>fencepost: it is a good question indeed
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14:14<mensch>mein sack juckt -.-
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14:16<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
14:16<wubbbi>mensch: something I dont want to know!
14:16<cobra-the-joker>hey there guys .... i installed libjfreechart-java ....but when i try to include it in netbeans ( import org.jfree.* ; ) ....i cant ??
14:17<mensch>hey that guy understand german
14:17<wubbbi>mensch: yes because Iam german ;)
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14:33<ptr>How can I get dpkg to ignore missing files when uninstalling a package? --force-all doesn't seem to be enough.
14:33<ptr>Never mind
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14:35<interbird>I got _really_ tired of the hanging X-server on intel i855/i915 with squeeze so i temporarily put sid in sources.list and tried to only update X. Of course quite a lot also got replaced and now my wireless is broken. The k-module is loaded (ipw2200) and eth1 is present but i cannot get it to work. It has no ip and iwconfig seems not to be my friend this time...
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14:36<StarFire>Hi all
14:37<StarFire>I have a problem with my keyboard... I cannot set the required layout
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14:38<interbird>StarFire: There is something like dpkg-reconfigure console or console-data or so... I seem to remember you can set keyboard layouts in there too
14:39<interbird>Lemme check...
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14:39<StarFire>interbird: Yes, I know, i've tried that, but to no avail
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14:39<interbird>dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
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14:40<interbird>did you try console-data or console-setup ?
14:41<dmoerner>i see from !gspca that it's now mainline in the sid kernels...but no gspca module exists. what do i modprobe to get my spca5xx working? nothing?
14:41<StarFire>I used dpkg-reconfigure console-data
14:41<interbird>try console-setup
14:41<StarFire>I'll try console-setup
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14:46<StarFire>interbird: Do I need to logout and re-login to make it work?
14:48<interbird>StarFire: Possibly, but it should work in a terminal. Otherwise just relogin to be sure, dunno if gdm needs to be restarted
14:48<StarFire>OK, I try to re-login
14:49<StarFire>see you in a few moments
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14:53<StarFire>That did not work...
14:53<interbird>StarFire: If you use Gnome then there is also the Menu->System->Preferences->Keyboard settings...
14:53<StarFire>Sorry, no I have WindowMaker
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14:54<interbird>Ah,kee. Unfamiliair with that one for settings...
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14:55<interbird>What did console-setup say your keyboard was and what do you want it to be ?
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14:56<benkong2>hey all is there and apt-kio for kde4? so that I can apt:/search?<blah>
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14:56<StarFire>I have an american english layout and it works as such, but with no dead keys. But I need the dead keys to type unlauts wich are quite common in switzerland
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14:57<dr|z3d>StarFire: Find the ascii code for umlaut, then alt+code should magically make it appear onscreen.
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14:57<interbird>Lemme see what console-setup does on my sys; monumento...
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15:02<interbird>StarFire: On my sys it works but you have to choose US with dead-keys (not the Atl-gr version, the one below it) choose right alt as modifier and no compose key
15:03<interbird>(but the one below it)
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15:03<StarFire>interbird: OK, I'll try it...
15:03<stuckey>I'm doing (m-a a-i nvidia) in a chroot, but it says "bad luck" and something about kernel headers not being installed. It then tells me to install linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 but this package doesn't exist.
15:03<Bernd_amd64>Anyone know something like OutputDebugString for linux ?
15:03<stuckey>The chroot is lenny.
15:03<interbird>i tried this in a full screen terminal (ctrl-alt-f2)
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15:04<kop>stuckey: Have you "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade"ed lately? Maybe it does not exist because your apt database is out of date.
15:05<StarFire>interbird: OK, it works on that console...
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15:06<StarFire>I hope it takse these settings when it starts the X server (I have no keyboard settings in the xorg.conf)
15:06<kop>stuckey: My box says that linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 is available. Maybe the mirror you're using is bad or something.
15:07<interbird>oke, now i don't if window maker picks that up after a relogin / restart of wm or if it has settings for it. I know wm has a nice settings-panel; noting in there?
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15:07<kop>Bernd_amd64: What does "outputdebugstring" do?
15:07<StarFire>interbird: No, the keyboard section is for the shortcuts of wm
15:08<interbird>Do you have all the wmaker packages installed? (I'm installing wmaker to have a look too)
15:08<StarFire>It has no section/part/whatever to configure the layout
15:08<Bernd_amd64>in windows it gives a string to the debuger
15:08<kop>Bernd_amd64: And it gets displayed somewhere?
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15:09<Bernd_amd64>yeah in debuger so e.g. ollydbg log window
15:09<StarFire>define "all"
15:09<Bernd_amd64>useful if programm is not console app
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15:10<stuckey>kop: using
15:10<interbird>all the needed... define needed... :-)
15:10<kop>Bernd_amd64: I always just call syslog(3) or use logger in shell, or the log class in python, etc. Then do a tail -f of the log file in another text window.
15:10<StarFire>The X Server log says: (II) Cannot locate a core keyboard device.
15:10<StarFire>(II) The server relies on HAL to provide the list of input devices.
15:10<stuckey>kop: *.org
15:10<StarFire>Yes, I have installed all that wmaker depends on
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15:11<StarFire>And quite a few more (some docklets, more icons...)
15:11<interbird>Ok, i'm installing wm to have a look too
15:11<Bernd_amd64>need to get output in codeblocks ... else i also could use printf or cout
15:11<stuckey>kop: I did what you said but it still says it can't find that package.
15:11<StarFire>I found more in the X server log
15:12<StarFire>II) config/hal: Adding input device AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
15:12<StarFire>(**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: always reports core events
15:12<StarFire>(**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Device: "/dev/input/event1"
15:12<StarFire>(II) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Found keys
15:12<StarFire>(II) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Configuring as keyboard
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15:12<StarFire>Sorry for flooding
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15:13<stuckey>How do I unmount a device if it says it's busy?
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15:13<kop>Bernd_amd64: What do you mean "codeblocks"? Do you mean in the trace output?
15:13<Bernd_amd64>close process first and then unmount
15:13<StarFire>stuckey: Find the window/terminal/application that is using it and close that
15:13<kop>!tell StarFire -about paste
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15:14<zas>hi huys, i install conky and cinfigurate it , but... i dont know what happend but never read .conkyrc....
15:14<Bernd_amd64>kop, never heard about ?
15:14<stuckey>StarFire: it's a filesystem
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15:14<StarFire>kop: I know, I know. I'm sorry!
15:14<stuckey>StarFire: I closed all windows related to it.
15:14<kop>stuckey: Try "aptitude search linux-headers" and see if it's listed.
15:14<stuckey>kop: Nevermind, I made a mistaken in making the chroot.
15:14<kop>Bernd_amd64: Nope. Will go look.
15:15<stuckey>kop: Can you help me get the filesystems unmounted? I have to delete the chroot and start over.
15:15<StarFire>interbird: How is your user experience with wm ;-)
15:15<stuckey>It says "umount: /var/lenny-i386-chroot/proc: device is busy.
15:15<kop>Bernd_amd64: Ah. I'm an emacs fan myself. And don't tend to use compiled languages much any more.
15:15<StarFire>stuckey: what does mount (without option) say about this filesystem
15:16<Bernd_amd64>anyway... ty kop
15:16<kop>Bernd_amd64: Sounds then like it's a codeblocks sort of question. If you can't get help here you could ask them.
15:16<stuckey>why can't I paste...
15:16<stuckey>proc on /var/lenny-i386-chroot/proc type proc (rw)
15:16<stuckey>ah, there it is.
15:16<kop>Bernd_amd64: You could always try again later.
15:17<interbird>StarFire: I used it several years ago
15:17<kop>stuckey: If it's busy it's because something has something open. (Usually it's your shell cd-ed into one of the directories.
15:17<StarFire>interbird: Too bad it' s no longer developed on...
15:17<stuckey>There are no open shells to it.
15:18<StarFire>interbird: According to the entries in the X server log, I think I should re-login (again) to make it work...
15:18<kop>stuckey: You could use lsof, iirc.
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15:18<StarFire>and maybe I have to make hal reload its data
15:18<stuckey>This is really starting to look like it might be more trouble than it will be worth.
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15:19<interbird>us_int in xorg.conf instead of just us ?
15:19<stuckey>kop: I'll just remove the entries from fstab and restart the machine.
15:19<stuckey>How's that?
15:19<kop>stuckey: Why do you need such a thing? Some people do, but I find the free drivers work fine and have much better long-term support. (And less fussing as you upgrade etc.)
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15:20<StarFire>interbird: Thank you
15:20<kop>stuckey: Well, rebooting always works....
15:20<stuckey>kop: I'm not following... What do you mean?
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15:20<kop>stuckey: Maybe I'm not following the thread properly. never mind.
15:20<interbird>StarFire: not to fast, dunno if that is the solution... you tell me :-)
15:21<StarFire>interbird: The only problem is: I have no keyboard section in my xorg.conf
15:21<kop>stuckey: I was responding to the nvidia module stuff.
15:21<stuckey>Yeah that would be necessary if you have a nvidia card.
15:22<kop>StarFire: I hear that xorg no longer looks at the xorg.conf input section any longer. That it's all done through udev or some such. But that's just what I hear, I've not looked.
15:22<interbird>Its in section "InputDevice" place Option "XkbLayout" "us_int" there
15:22<kop>stuckey: I've used nvidia cards without using nvidia's drivers.
15:23<stuckey>kop: Have you played 3d games with them?
15:23<kop>stuckey: No.
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15:23<stuckey>kop: I've a newer card and I use it to play 3d games. I don't think I have a choice about the drivers.
15:23<kop>stuckey: I tend to get different hardware. It's not worth the fussing, in the long run.
15:23<kop>stuckey: YMMV.
15:23<stuckey>kop: I tried to find an open source alternative. I bought an ATI x1300 card. Unfortunately the state of the driver development isn't that good.
15:24<stuckey>kop: YMMV?
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15:24<dpkg>ymmv is, like, an abbreviation of "Your mileage may vary."
15:24<stuckey>kop: What kind of hardware to you get?
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15:24<stuckey>Please, let me know if there is an open-source alternative that I've missed out on.
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15:25<kop>stuckey: Last time I cared was about 10 years ago. I got matrox iirc. Useless info.
15:25<stuckey>I see
15:25<stuckey>I'm going to restat now so I can delete this chroot.
15:25<kop>stuckey: But that's a good question for the channel, but maybe a better one for the debian mailing list.
15:25<kop>stuckey: Check the list archives perhaps.
15:26<stuckey>kop: I researched this already. ATI r500 series.
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15:26<StarFire>kop: Yes, I have these entries in my X server configuration (the lines I flooded)
15:26<stuckey>That's the best thing that they've got. I tried it. It's buggy.
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15:26<kop>stuckey: Newer software useful at bpo?
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15:29<StarFire>interbird: The keyboard settings are sent to the X server via HAL/DBUS
15:29<StarFire>I think I'll try a re-login
15:29<StarFire>see you in a few moments
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15:30<interbird>StarFire: How does HAL/DBUS know you want dead-keys ?
15:31<interbird>I think you have to override that in xorg.conf with this section.. (i guess)
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15:33<interbird>kop: afaik one can still override stuff in xorg.conf, like video resolutions/timing etc.
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15:35<enouf>interbird: one can, indeed
15:35<enouf>however, touchpads have their own quirks, and that and others can be setup in a /etc/hal/../...fdi file
15:35<enouf> has info about all that
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15:37<StarFire>It works
15:37<interbird>Looking good !
15:37<interbird>Wasit the section in xorg.conf ?
15:37<StarFire>after dpk-reconfigure console-setup
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15:38<StarFire>the only thing I had to do was to convince hal to provide this data to the X server
15:38<StarFire>(instead of the section in xorg.conf)
15:38<interbird>StarFire: enouf also pointed at wile you were gone. (thx enouf)
15:39<interbird>ahh, and now for d-bus since hal is on the way out ?
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15:41<StarFire>interbird: probably, but I think it will take some time until hal is really out
15:41<interbird>How did you convince hal ? the only files in my /etc/hal is fdi/policy stuff...
15:41<StarFire>interbird: I rebooted :-)
15:42<interbird>convincing but strange, maybe a udev restart also had worked... (?)
15:42<enouf>StarFire: i think you might also want the package consolekit, which is a depends on HAL pkg
15:42<enouf>so, it should've been installed
15:43<enouf>one can restart HAL as well, if IINM
15:43<StarFire>(II) config/hal: Adding input device AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
15:43<dpkg>HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is project, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine present hardware and be notified of its changes. #hal on
15:43<StarFire>(**) Option "xkb_layout" "us"
15:43<StarFire>(**) Option "xkb_variant" "intl"
15:43<enouf>the last URL there also has some decent info
15:44<enouf>that's easy enough to add to your xorg.conf
15:46<StarFire>HAL found 12 mouse buttons... ?!
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15:46<fencepost>some mouse u got there
15:46<interbird>Strange, in my xorg.conf the option is called XkbLayout, without the _
15:47<StarFire>enouf: That is what HAL sent to the X server
15:47<fencepost>mine has 7
15:47<interbird>they replicate fast !
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15:47<interbird>StarFire has a real "stallion" for a mouse...
15:47<StarFire>interbird: That's the way it is written in xorg.conf. I pasted the output from the X server what HAL sent it to
15:48<StarFire>Actually, it's a simple Logitech Laser Mouse (with a cable!)
15:48<interbird>Laser says it all... :-)
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15:49<interbird>I once threw 2 laser mice in a box and within 1 hour the box overflowed with young pink mice...
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15:50<StarFire>interbird: It's (so they said) the preferred way that you onle configure your keyboard (and mouse) on the console and don't configure it at all in xorg.conf, but let HAL tell the X server the configuration. So you avoid double configuration (and double code in X server) for the same thing
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15:52<interbird>I wonder a /etc/init.d/hal restart would have done the trick after the dpkg-reconfigure console-setup...
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15:52<exn>Hello everybody !! Guys, anybody knows what is it ? lrm 1007M 45M 963M 5% /lib/modules/2.6.24-24-generic/volatile
15:52<StarFire>interbird: ost probably yes
15:52<exn>I know
15:52<exn>but what is volatile
15:52<exn>where it used
15:53<interbird>not persistent
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15:53<exn>how it used ?
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15:53<exn>what there stored
15:53<exn>can't find any information
15:54<interbird>used for temporary storing kernel-modules detected needed on-the-fly at boot-time
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15:55<exn>aha, thank you
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16:09<bash>Does anyone know how i can upgrade to grub2 on squeeze?
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16:09<bremner>judd: versions grub-pc
16:09<judd>bremner: grub-pc -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16 sid: 1.96+20090725-1 squeeze: 1.96+20090725-1
16:09<bremner>don't blame me if it eats your disk
16:10<rufensis>I just received a backup cd of all my files from my previous employer, but the disc is mounted as read only. Does anyone have a command to make this read/write. Right now it will not even let me look in some folders.
16:10<interbird>Replacing your bootloader is not something you want to do if you don't know what your doing...
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16:10<azeem_>rufensis: cds are read-only
16:10<bremner>rufensis: you want to make your CD read/write?
16:10<azeem_>looking into folders doesn't have much to do with read vs. write
16:10<bremner>apt-get install physically-impossible-dwim
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16:11<bash>So there isn't any easyway to do it?
16:11<interbird>define easy
16:11<rufensis>bremner: i don't want to write, the problem is when i open the cd icon it shows X's over each folder and when i click it i do not have access
16:11<interbird>do you know what to do if your system doesnot boot?
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16:12<interbird>no, Betty Boop :-)
16:12<rufensis>azeem: yeah, i mispoke there. i just need to get inside folders and it does not seem like i have permission
16:12<interbird>yes, you
16:13<azeem_>rufensis: that'd be weird
16:13<interbird>grub responsible for loading your kernel and starting your system, if the upgrade goes wrong you can endup with a non-bootable system.
16:13<rufensis>azeem: for sure
16:13<azeem_>please output the command you run and the error you get, plus the output of ls -l on the parent directory
16:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
16:13<interbird>do you know how to recover from that ?
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16:15<rufensis>azeem: i have not run a command yet, just clicked on it. it tells me I do not have permission to view the folder contents. I'll paste ls -l
16:16<azeem_>rufensis: try "cd foo" first
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16:17<bash>found out how to upgrade
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16:18<rufensis>azeem: "no such file or dir" for cd foo. Here ls -l:
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16:18<azeem_>rufensis: how is it mounted?
16:19<azeem_>not as iso9660 I guess
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16:19<azeem_>rufensis: and which folder precisely can you not access?
16:21<rufensis>azeem: I'm a teacher. There's a folder called "modern britain" and several other that i cannot access. It's mounted at /media/cdrom/ it says udf file system and mount options: "ro nosuid nodev noexec utf8
16:22<azeem_>rufensis: do you have root on this computer?
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16:23<interbird>rufensis: can you paste the line from /etc/fstab that mounts your cdrom-drive ? (could be /dev/hdc or /dev/sr0 or /dec/scd0) ; possibly also has 1so9660 and udf on the same line
16:23<rufensis>interbird: do i need to open that in a text editor. what's the comand to get that output?
16:24<rufensis>azeem: is that the same as su -?
16:24<azeem_>sort of
16:24<rufensis>i'm logged in as "debian" right now
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16:25<interbird>the terminal-commane: cat /etc/fstab > /home/$USER/Desktop/myfstab will put a copy on your desktop
16:27<interbird>rufensis: sorry, discard my messages...
16:27<rufensis>interbird: ok. got the output anyway.
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16:29<interbird>rufensis: what does mount -l | grep hda say ?
16:30<interbird>can you paste the output of that command here (the possibly one line)
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16:31<rufensis>interbird: /dev/hda on /media/cdrom0 type udf (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=aaron)
16:32<interbird>ok, so it's no iso9660 but udf and mounted by user aaron; what does the command: id $(whoami) say ?
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16:34<rufensis>interbird: uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
16:35<interbird>not in your root-terminal; press ctrl-d first and then reissue the command (on the $-prompt)
16:35<justfil>is anyone using Decibel audio player
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16:36<rufensis>interbird: longer than one line.
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16:36<interbird>hmm, that looks good..
16:37<interbird>now in this terminal: cd /media/cdrom0
16:37<interbird>then cd to one of the directories and do a ls -la
16:37<interbird>does that show any files ?
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16:38<interbird>what are is the owners of the files ?
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16:38<interbird>does it show like: r-xr-xr-x or just r-x------ ?
16:39<azeem_>interbird: 22:18 < rufensis> azeem: "no such file or dir" for cd foo. Here ls -l:
16:39<azeem_>probably that directory is 700 or 750
16:39<rufensis>interbird: here is the output of ls -la in the folder "Courses"
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16:40<interbird>azeem_: is that a ls of /media/cdrom0 ?
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16:41<interbird>rufensis: your files are not accessable for normal users; only for 501
16:41<azeem_>"501 dialout" looks weird
16:41<interbird>which is not on your system; the cdis burned wrongly
16:41<azeem_>the CDs got burnt with their owner ids
16:41<interbird>you have to change your mount-line in fstab to include umask=000
16:42<azeem_>rufensis: I guess this goes nowhere; remount the CD as iso9660 or access them as root
16:42<interbird>yep, owner-ids
16:42<interbird>azeem_ it's udf
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16:42<rufensis>azeem: how can I do that?
16:42<azeem_>interbird: didn't rufensis pasted that twice now?
16:43<azeem_>22:31 < rufensis> interbird: /dev/hda on /media/cdrom0 type udf (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=aaron)
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16:43<interbird>azeem_: then why remount as 9660? that's an other fs
16:43<interbird>won't work
16:44<azeem_>I assumed it's iso9660 compatible
16:45<interbird>it is not;iso9660 has max filesize of 2G; not so for udf; udf is a different filesystem (also used on video dvds)
16:45<interbird>he has got to remount with some override options to get the group and other bits set...
16:45<interbird>dunno by heart
16:45<fencepost>does dvd have any 'weak sectors' at the hardware level, i remember there are some for cdrom
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16:46<fencepost>certain byte patterns in a file cannot be recorded, it interferes with the ecc
16:46<rufensis>interbird: the command begins /dev/hda? or do I need to be in that directory first?
16:46<interbird>refensis: first eject /dev/hda
16:46<interbird>as root
16:46<fencepost>not sure if this was ever used as copy protection
16:46<interbird>at the #-prompt
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16:47<interbird>no, the cd is burned wrongly, with owner-id's like azeem_ said
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16:47<interbird>oh, possibly.... :-)
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16:47*interbird is looking for the correct mount options; monumento
16:47<dondelelcaro>so mount using norock or whatever is appropriate
16:48<rufensis>interbird: says device is busy but i have closed all windows of it
16:48<azeem_>rufensis: maybe you still have a shell open with the cd as current directory
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16:49<interbird>rufensis: try this as root: mount -o mode=0777 /dev/hda /media/cdrom0
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16:50<interbird>udf should be automgically recognized, otherwise: mount -o mode=0777 -t udf /dev/hda /media/cdrom0
16:50<rufensis>interbird: mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda is already mounted on /media/cdrom0
16:50<interbird>eject /dev/hda
16:50<rufensis>interbird: no shells open
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16:50<stroyan>rufensis: You can see what processes are using a mounted filesystem "fuser /mountpoint" or "lsof +d /mountpoint".
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16:51<interbird>eject /dev/hda; mount -o mode=0777 -t udf /dev/hda /media/cdrom0
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16:51<interbird>ls -la /media/cdrom0
16:52<ananth123>i just installed sqlite, libsqlite-dev.... however, cmake is not able to find it.... what package should i install to make it recognize it ??? FindSqlite.cmake seems to be missing in /usr/share/cmake/modules/....
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16:52<petemc>ananth123: you can use apt-file to search for particular files in a package
16:52<interbird>ananth123: apt-get build-dep sqlite
16:52<ananth123>ok thanks !
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16:54<interbird>dunno; this locates stuff needed to compile sqlite as i assume you are doing cause of the cmake
16:54<ananth123>interbird: i dont want to compile sqlite
16:54<ananth123>i just want to compile another app that uses sqlite
16:54<interbird>rufensis: did that last command work? (eject /dev/hda; mount -o mode=0777 -t udf /dev/hda /media/cdrom0)
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16:55<interbird>ananth123: the use apt-get build-dep other app
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16:55<interbird>(must be a debian source-package)
16:55<ananth123>hmm the other app is not yet in debian..... just a svn is available
16:55<interbird>then it'smore difficult and you have to traverse the build-dependencies...
16:56<ananth123>yes...thats what im doing now... thanks again!
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16:57<rufensis>interbird: here's what's still happening with that command. is there a way i can get this drive unmounted?
16:57<interbird>rufensis: what does lsof /dev/hda say ?
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17:00<interbird>rufensis: close openoffice
17:00<interbird>it has files open on the cd (not all the files are inaccessable)
17:00<fencepost>can anyone recommend a good livecd that can mount LVM volumes and encrypted partitions
17:01<rufensis>interbird: i don't see open office open. what's the kill command for it?
17:01<interbird>linuxmint ?
17:01<ptr>fencepost: I tend to just use a debian or ubunt livecd and then just apt-get install kvm cryptsetup once it's booted
17:01<ptr>I'm sure someone has a better answer
17:02<interbird>kill 4269
17:02<interbird>then lsof /dev/hda
17:02<fencepost>i tried ubuntu once but couldnt figure out how to use it in livecd mode
17:02<fencepost>it kept trying to install on my system
17:02<interbird>if soffice is still there, then: kill -9 4269
17:02<ptr>fencepost: you have to choose the first option ("try without installing")
17:02<rufensis>interbird: done. now i'll try to eject
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17:02<ptr>you can also roll your own:
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17:03<fencepost>thebuild i was using didnt offer that, maybe im thinking of fluxbuntu
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17:03<ptr>dunno about that
17:03<ptr>lemme run it in a vm and see what it says
17:03<fencepost>i think what i did was try to dl that one since it was half the size
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17:04<rufensis>interbird: i used that long command (eject+mount, mode0777 etc) and the disc popped out. now what?
17:04<interbird>ok, now this one: eject /dev/hda; mount -o mode=0777 -t udf /dev/hda /media/cdrom0
17:04<fencepost>ive just noticed the debian install cd wont always let me into my encrypted partition with its restore mode, command prompt thing
17:04<rufensis>interbird: just did it
17:05<ptr>fencepost: I just checked the ubuntu livecd image, and it definitely has a "try without installing" option. You're probably right about it being fluxbuntu at fault
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17:05<fencepost>i think the buffer is hardcoded and only allows so many chars
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17:05<fencepost>ive had it give me 'wrong password' before
17:05<interbird>now: ls -la /media/cdrom0 should all be rwxrwxrwx now
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17:05<interbird>or r-xr-xr-x
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17:06<fencepost>ill try ubuntu next time thx
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17:06<fencepost>ive been using slax, a slackware based livecd but it has so many issues lol
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17:08<rufensis>interbird: i executed that command as root. here is what i get for ls -la /media/cdrom0 when i hit it as regular user:
17:09<interbird>that's ok
17:09<interbird>you can read the files now
17:09<rufensis>interbird: nope. i'm in the same spot again. most of the folders are x'd out
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17:10<interbird>and if you click on one ?
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17:11<interbird>rufensis: sorry....
17:11<interbird>rufensis: disk seems not to be mounted?
17:12<interbird>does mount -l | grep hda show a line? if so, paste here please
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17:12<rufensis>interbird: yeah, it let's me see the disc, the file hierarchies and then when i try to explore certain folders it will not let me see it. i can get farther in the tree if i go through a terminal but it will not let me open a doc in open office
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17:13<StarFire>I'm off
17:13<StarFire>Have a nive evening and good night!
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17:13<interbird>i forgot the user parameter: eject /dev/hda; mount -t udf -o user,mode=0555 /dev/hda /media/cdrom0
17:14<interbird>rufensis: i forgot the user parameter: eject /dev/hda; mount -t udf -o user,mode=0555 /dev/hda /media/cdrom0
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17:14<Waxhead>Just curious... Is there a module or something that scans memory when the system is idle? If for example memtest86+ was running in the background when the system was idle it could mark bad memory using the badram kernel patch at runtime to avoid (some) system failures caused by bad memory.
17:17<debuser4235>why would anyone continue using a bad memory dimm?
17:17<Waxhead>debuser4235: they would not but if the system at runtime marked the memory as bad you can (probably) safely continue using the system until the memory module is replaced.
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17:18<dondelelcaro>Waxhead: it's rare for a system to have memory which is unused
17:18<rufensis>interbird: it did something differently this time. check to see i inputted your command properly
17:18<dondelelcaro>Waxhead: also, if you're using such a system, you're using ECC ram, which tells you when the memory is going bad
17:19<Waxhead>what about those who don't have ECC ram? ... for some modern hardware don't support ECC ram at all
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17:19<rufensis>interbird: it gives me the same issue still
17:20<interbird>and this one?: eject /dev/hda; mount -o user,mode=0555 /dev/hda /media/cdrom0
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17:20<interbird>make sure the disc ejects...
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17:21<rufensis>interbird: only one space when I see one in the command, right? it is ejecting each time.
17:21<dondelelcaro>Waxhead: then you're probably running consumer-grade hardware, and the extra overhead and load would be problematic... but all that said, feel free to prove me wrong and write the code
17:21<fencepost>a periodic memtest shoudl always be run if ure not using ecc ram at least
17:22<rufensis>interbird: says i must specify the file system type
17:22<fencepost>just a couple passes at least, not the whole 20 min
17:22<interbird>now it's mounted again? can you paste ls -la /media/cdrom0 in the pastebin ?
17:22<fencepost>i had a bad stick of ram with 20+ bad areas
17:22<dondelelcaro>fencepost: often the failures are intermittent and heat-related
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17:22<dondelelcaro>fencepost: so it's often something you can't easily test without loading the module
17:22<fencepost>i suppose
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17:23<fencepost>but in my case they were clearly bad
17:23<Waxhead>dondelelcaro: I'm not that good in C so I better leave that to someone more professional :) - HoweverI was again suggesging that such a functionallity would run when the system had time to it e.g. when there is "idle" time. The overhead with moving around memory testing the area and filling it up again might be worth it.
17:23<fencepost>i had one of those sdram modules with those heat spreaders held on with foam sticky pads
17:23<dondelelcaro>Waxhead: that'd probably only detect total failures of a module; see above
17:23<fencepost>back when heat spreaders for looks were all the rage
17:23<interbird>rufensis: disc is not mounted... lemme see
17:23<fencepost>i suspect thats why my ram was fried
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17:24<fencepost>im surprised there hasnt been a class action lawsuit over those things
17:24<fencepost>what a joke, a metal heat spreader held onto the chip with a foam pad
17:24<dondelelcaro>fencepost: most of them are probably marketed by companies which don't exist any more or have no assets to make it worthwhile
17:24<Waxhead>dondelelcaro: well even if it marked a entire module as bad I still think it's a useable soluition since the system "might" be able to run ok at least until the memory module is replaced.
17:25<fencepost>i only noticed when i ran memtest after installing some new ram
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17:26<fencepost>i corrupted lots of windows backups with that bad ram, large file copies were always a crapshoot, hash wouldnt match
17:26<fencepost>curiously on linux copies would never corrupt
17:26<fencepost>windows seems to jump the buffer around a lot in memory on copies
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17:26<interbird>rufensis: this one: eject /dev/hda; take disc out and clean with cloth; mount -t udf -o ro,user,mode=0555 /dev/hda /media/cdrom0
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17:27<fencepost>just a note for anyone that still uses XP not to trust its backup utility even with verify checked
17:27<fencepost>thats my experience
17:28<rufensis>interbird: do i put it back in before i type the "mount -t . . . "
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17:28<interbird>of course (i forgot)
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17:28<Waxhead>fencepost: Well... I have a motherboard that crashed on winxp a lot. I improved the entire thing with linux and the kernel did at least tell me that something was wrong (+1 to linux) ;)
17:28<fencepost>same with nero burner, its verify option isnt to be trusted
17:28<fencepost>i learned a lot from that bad ram
17:29<Waxhead>Linux memory subsystem is probably far superior to win. Some of my programs that are pretty memory heavy runs by far much faster on linux than on win. (same hardware)
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17:29<fencepost>i would get daily hard reboots in xp, i think it was due to buggy syshooks in some driver
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17:30<fencepost>not sure if it was an actual cpu triple fault or what would cause that
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17:31<fencepost>but since moving to linux i can leave it up for a month without rebooting
17:31<fencepost>unless i get an X lockup or something
17:31<interbird>and this one?: mount /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 (no need to eject)
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17:32<rufensis>interbird: block device /dev/hda is write protected, mounting read only
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17:33<rufensis>interbird: still can't access folders
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17:33<fencepost>im working on my own backup util atm, piecing together a good compression lib that will use the best alg for different filetypes
17:33<interbird>rufensis: mount -o,remount,ro,mode=0555 /dev/hda
17:34<fencepost>win 98 had a good backup utility with compression, would turn 30 gigs of stuff down to 2-3; NTs sucks and wont compress well after archived
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17:35<rufensis>interbird: mount: /media/cdrom0 not mounted already, or bad option
17:35<fencepost>been testing lots of different compression apps in nix but i'm rolling them into a single c lib
17:36<interbird>rufensis: what does mount -l | grep hda say? (paste the line here please)
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17:37<rufensis>interbird: /dev/hda on /media/cdrom0 type udf (ro) [PART1]
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17:40<interbird>rufensis: fs*ck, mode is no option for udf fs; looking for another way, monumento...
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17:40<rufensis>interbird: cheers, thanks for all the help so far
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17:41<interbird>rufensis: mount -o,remount,ro,uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/hda
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17:42<rufensis>interbird: did that then typed mount -l | grep hda
17:43<rufensis>/dev/hda on /media/cdrom0 type udf (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,,uid=1000,gid=1000) [PART1]
17:43<interbird>two comma's ? you typed it right? arrow-up retrieves the previous commands; please check
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17:44<fencepost>when working from a tty you will get lots of output from the system (that can be annoying when trying to work at times) but from say xterm or gnome terminal you will only get stdout from the command you are running, is there any way to get these extra messages when working from an xterm; i'm not really sure what is at play here
17:44<interbird>rufensis: can you paste ls -la /media/cdrom0 in the pastebin please ?
17:45<rufensis>interbird: her's what i entered: /dev/hda on /media/cdrom0 type udf (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,,uid=1000,gid=1000) [PART1]
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17:45<rufensis>the two commas were from what i cut and pasted
17:45<interbird>rufensis: can you paste ls -la /media/cdrom0 in the pastebin please ?
17:45<interbird>not from my line...
17:45<bja>fencepost: try redirecting output to /dev/null
17:46<fencepost>thats not what i mean, i want to get the system messages redirected to an xterm like if i was actually using tty1 or something
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17:47<interbird>rufensis: this was the line i gave: mount -o,remount,ro,uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/hda no ,, in that
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17:47<bremner>fencepost: see man xterm, look for console
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17:48<fencepost>like for example earlier i had an app that kept crashing when using xterm and i didnt know why, only when using tty did i get a message pop up about a certain lib segfaulting
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17:48<fencepost>but it wouldnt show up when using xterm
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17:48<rufensis>interbird: her's showing the last two commands i entered
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17:49<fencepost>ill test that and see bremner
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17:49<bremner>well, it worked on SunOs 20 years ago :)
17:50<dvs>!pity bremner
17:50<dpkg>I pity da fool bremner!
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17:50<ibaneo>daniels: I am reading some emails from work and reading some docs
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17:50<interbird>rufensis: paste the output of this please: ls -la /media/cdrom0/awindel/Courses
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17:53<interbird>rufensis: now you can read them
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17:53<interbird>true ?
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17:54<rufensis>interbird: eureka! I can read all the contents of the "Courses" folder. The rest of the disc is still X'd out
17:56<interbird>in text or in gui; in gui do a refresh of the filemanager (gnome nautilus?)
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17:57<interbird>rufensis: give me a ls -la of a directory or file you cannot access still...
17:57<rufensis>interbird: yeah, i looked with the gui. one sec
17:58<justfil>how can i change the global character set to be used with applications
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17:59<interbird>justfil: dpkg-reconfigure locales add the ones you need and set a default
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18:01<interbird>rufensis: ok the uid and gui override only works for files and not dirs; let me scartch my head for a minute or two...
18:01<rufensis>interbird: cheers. you've already rescued half my year's work for me. take your time.
18:02<justfil>interbird, there is no command like dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
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18:05<trayzz>what's the terminal command to check if a package is installed/exists
18:05<interbird>rufensis: try: mount -o,remount,ro,uid=1000,gid=1000,nostrict /dev/hda
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18:05<fencepost>oh great, bell joins the list of isp's highjacking dns queries
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18:06<trayzz>if i want to check for example if package BAR is installed, what's the command to check?
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18:06<interbird>justfil: dpkg-reconfigure locales does something on my box (mind the space between recon.. and locales)
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18:09<interbird>rufensis: try: then paste the output from: ls -la /media/cdrom0/awindel/Desktop again
18:09<interbird>rufensis: then paste the output from: ls -la /media/cdrom0/awindel/Desktop again
18:10<justfil>interbird, well "bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found"
18:11<interbird>justfil: apt-get install debconf
18:12<interbird>rufensis: no go! there is only a very dirty trick left, but it is very dirty...
18:12<justfil>interbird, debconf is already the newest version.
18:13<fencepost>are we talking sanchez dirty or nsa shadow corp dirty
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18:13<interbird>justfil: does dpkg -L debconf|grep dpkg-reconfigure show the content with the command in it? is your path correct? are you root ?
18:14<interbird>justfil: dyou are probably not root.
18:14<user92838>justfil: I have to run dpkg-reconfigure as root on my machine - or point bash to /usr/sbin
18:14<justfil>interbird, user92838, oh yes i wasnt root ;D thank you
18:15<rufensis>interbird: i am all ears and am not bothered by dirty
18:16<enouf>shit, how should i restart the X server though SSH, i usually ctrl-alt-backspace, or better, /etc/init.d/{DM} restart, but there's no gdm/kdm/xdm installed
18:16<enouf>i don't even think 'init 1' && 'init 2' would do it, there's somethings X in /etc/rcS.d/
18:16<enouf>negge: i just upgraded the X server, and installed a new kernel and rebooted - which all worked out perfectly - even sshd started on it's own (yeah rcconf) .. and the # kopts= line made update-grub do the right thing, so it's all good
18:17<enouf>ewrm, ignore the nick - just reposting here, after gettting spammed in freenode
18:17<enouf>no DE here, no DM here
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18:17<enouf>there IS a WM
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18:18<enouf>" and the # kopts= line" (and the "default N" line, i guess)
18:18<stroyan>enouf: If you look at "ps -efH" what are the parent and grandparent processes of X ?
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18:19<interbird>rufensis: sorry, the trick i had in mind does not fly... (it was about adding aaron again with a uid of 501, but one can only add two users with the same id)
18:19<enouf>stroyan: ok - one sec
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18:19<interbird>rufensis: still thinking...
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18:21<enouf>stroyan: wait - haha - i sue pstree -lunap, but i just noticed X isn't running ! I never logged in? BUT on my client, i did "ssh -X ...." and i'm in!
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18:21<interbird>rufensis: try: mount -o,remount,ro,uid=1000,gid=1000,nostrict,umask=0000 /dev/hda (don't think it'll work but let's give it a try)
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18:21<interbird>rufensis: then paste the output from: ls -la /media/cdrom0/awindel/Desktop again
18:22<enouf>stroyan: should i exit the ssh -X then ssh in without -X and run startx?
18:22<bja>enouf: if it works that way is fine
18:22<enouf>stroyan: the system if FULLY booted and working
18:22<bja>enouf: As you logged in via ssh it will work fine no need to have X running on the server
18:23<stroyan>enouf: The "ssh -X" does not run X on the remote system. It just directs X clients to the X server running on the same system as the ssh client.
18:23<enouf>but i logged in as root (just to TTY1) when attached physically (this is all on my LAN) and checked a few things, then logged out - then came over to client and ssh -X
18:24<stroyan>enouf: Do you really want X running on the system console? ssh -X does not depend on that at all.
18:24<enouf>wait ... let me try to understand ...
18:24<bja>enouf: It is ok it will not implode :)
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18:24<enouf>stroyan: not on console, no, but i DO want XServer running on Host and xclients connecting on client
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18:24<bash>Unable to mount the volume Details: Cannot get volume.fstype.alternative
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18:25<bash>I am on squeeze
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18:25<interbird>rufensis: nope, but i expected that... The only way i can think of now is to remaster the cd... But let me punish my gray cells for just a while when i make some coffee...
18:25<interbird>or to create a new user with id 501
18:25<rufensis>interbird: i will go move a couch. i'm willing to try anything. enjoy coffee
18:26<enouf>stroyan: i take it that's why if i have say Iceweasel running on Host (xeon), that i cannot see/connect to those already running instances using ssh -X (from client - p2)?
18:26<stroyan>enouf: The terminology of X11 seems to be claiming another victim. The graphics display and keyboard are on the system with the X server. The programs displaying things, like gnome-terminal, are clients.
18:27<bash>mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
18:27<enouf>stroyan: i'm watching a movie that's running on XEON (host) and i'm attached with keys+mouse+monitor on P2 (client)
18:27<bash>Thats the output i got when i tried manually mounting it
18:28<enouf>stroyan: with my ssh -X connection - this is starting to confuse me -- let me absorb and shutup a minute
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18:29<stroyan>enouf: ssh -X says that sshd on the remote system should offer a proxy X server (like localhost 10.0). All connections to that "xserver" are then relayed through the ssh connection to the "$DISPLAY" X server that the ssh client can reach.
18:30<enouf>stroyan: "It just directs X clients to the X server running on the same system as the ssh client" <-- ssh client?? or sshd? because the ssh client is my p2 (client/user) so the Xserver i'm using is on my p2 (client/user) as well?
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18:30<enouf>stroyan: right - echo $DISPLAY shows that
18:31<bja>enouf: The X server is running on the workstation, the program is actualy running on the machine server
18:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:31<stroyan>enouf: Yes. The echo $DISPLAY on the XEON looks like "localhost:10". That is relayed by sshd to ssh to "p2:0", or whatever the X server on your client is named in that $DISPLAY setting that ssh saw.
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18:32<enouf>stroyan: yes, on p2/client/user echo $DISPLAY shows :0.0 when i run it on a local xterm., not within my ssh -X xterm
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18:33<enouf>stroyan: perhaps if you explain to me how to get the Xserver running on the XEON/host/server, and "see" THAT display through my p2/client/user i could understand better
18:34<enouf>(if you know that is) thank you
18:34<stroyan>enouf: There is a different class of remote display protocol that will read from a hardware based X server or software only X server on a server and then display that to your X server on a client.
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18:35<enouf>i guess i could run 'startx' fromn the xterm that has user@host (my ssh -X conn)
18:35<themill>enouf: for that, you need to actually run X on the xeon and you'd need something like x11vnc to allow you to see the running X session.
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18:35<stroyan>enouf: You can use x11vnc to snoop on a hardware X server. Or vnc can run a software only X server and send images from that.
18:35<themill>enouf: the remote user won't have permissions to run startx by default
18:35<enouf>themill: interesting - for some reason, i thought so - however, i didn't want to guess
18:36<enouf>themill: stroyan can you tell me if "performance" is better one way or the other?
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18:36<themill>performance of X over ssh isn't that great ever
18:36<enouf>i'm trying to use it basically as a Media server - and the Dual XEON 1.7G MP box, outperforms the crap out of my p2 350MHz
18:36<interbird>rufensis: are you in for another try of something ?
18:36<enouf>themill: i realize that - but which is better?
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18:37<stroyan>enouf: It will vary. The X11 protocol can handle simple programs really well. But programs that pushd a lot of data, like video, can be handled better by protocols like vnc that can do their own lossy compression.
18:37<enouf>themill: hrm - ok, gotcha about remote uyser -- thank you
18:37<enouf>stroyan: so i would use x11vnc INSTEAD of ssh?
18:38<stroyan>enouf: x11vnc can be connected to directly as a port on the Xeon server. Or it can be run within an ssh connection.
18:39<enouf>(this is all Local on LAN, so security really isn;t an issue) However, i'd like to attempt this model remotely over WAN/Internet - which i realize will require a much more *secure* model
18:39<rufensis>interbird: sure am
18:39<enouf>themill: heh shaddup!
18:39<interbird>rufensis: as root: mkdir /1
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18:39<rufensis>interbird; done
18:40<enouf>stroyan: i see - so for LAN, i'd drop the ssh conn for performance, but for WAN, i'd likely want to tunnel through with ssh?
18:40<stroyan>enouf: Have a look at It looks like a good tutorial. (At least is does to someone who already knows what it is talking about.)
18:40<interbird>rufensis: mount --bind -o,mode=777,uid=1000,gid=1000 /media/cdrom0/awindel/Desktop /1 and then paste ls -la /1
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18:40<enouf>(tunnel with ssh over WAN /for security/ if needed)
18:41<stroyan>enouf: I just use vnc over ssh for even LAN. It is fast enough. And it avoids a special case.
18:41<enouf>i see - interesting! Thank you very much - and thank you themill
18:41<rufensis>interbird: did it matter where i made the dir?
18:42<interbird>my /1 is your dir, it does not matter but /1 is short
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18:42<enouf>ok guys - i need a bit of a break, but as most know, i'm here, i squat - go afk - comeback, help out and stuffs - so chime in, i'll read later - thanks again
18:42<interbird>it's just to test
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18:43<interbird>rufensis: nope, still no go. umount <yourdir>
18:43<edbian>My router doesn't seem to support reserved DHCP addresses and my only network interface is wifi. Is there anyway I can get a static IP ?
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18:45<interbird>edbian: can you couple MAC addresses to the ip-addressed that the router gave out to lease ?
18:45<edbian>interbird: I don't know?
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18:45<edbian>I have a linksys router. Is there a name for that?
18:45<bash>Unable to mount the volume Details: Cannot get volume.fstype.alternative
18:45<rufensis>interbird: which directory am i unmounting?
18:45<bash>I am on squeeze
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18:46<bash>I posted more info here.
18:46<interbird>edian: go into your router and find the lease-table. you will see your ip-address there. possible you can enter a mac-address, then enter the mac-address of your wifi card
18:46<interbird>rufensis: my /1 that you named otherwise
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18:47<edbian>interbird: I'll check the lease table hang on
18:48<edbian>No luck
18:48<edbian>All I have is the option to delete their leases
18:49<rufensis>interbird: done
18:49<interbird>rufensis: I am out of tricks for the moment. I see two possibilities: 1. create a new user with id 501 and use that user to access the disc,or 2. dump the complete disc as root to a directory, change the owner and group to root:root with 0555 access and remaster the disc with wodim
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18:50<rufensis>interbird: thanks a million for your help. i got most of what i needed anyway, and I'll try those tricks later.
18:51<interbird>adbian: not if click on the ip? what type of router is it? (brand/model)
18:51<interbird>rufensis: If i ever dream up a solution you'll be the first to know...
18:51<edbian>interbird: linksys wrt54g I think
18:51<edbian>linksys for sure
18:51<edbian>model is close enough
18:51<rufensis>interbird: cheers. talk to you later.
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18:53<interbird>edbian: model? (on the bottom) wrt54g(l) version ? or a newer other model?
18:53<edbian>interbird: I can't click on them (well I can but nothing happens)
18:53<stroyan>edbian: You could just configure your linux system to use a static address outside of the range of the router's DHCP assignments.
18:54<edbian>interbird : wrt54g version 2
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18:54<edbian>stroyan: My only interface is wifi. Is there a way to static IP my wifi?
18:54<interbird>edbian: that's a shame, no alternative firmware for you, sorry...
18:54<edbian>interbird: ! :(
18:55<stroyan>edbian: If you have an always on debian system on the network you could have it be a dhcp server. That is what I do.
18:55<edbian>stroyan: Using iptableS?
18:56<stroyan>edbian: It is possible to use a static ip (and static DNS configuration) with wifi. It may be harder to have the system use DHCP when traveling and a static configuration when connecting to your particular access point.
18:57<edbian>This is a desktop. It does not travel often. Do I need to edit /etc/networking/interfaces?
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18:59<stroyan>edbian: You could either edit the /etc/network/interfaces file or use the network manager and the "Network Settings" dialog.
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18:59<stroyan>edbian: The network manager approach is the way to make it have different settings for different access points.
19:00<edbian>stroyan: I don't seem to have the option in the little nm-applet
19:00<edbian>That's what drove me here. Is there something I'm missing?
19:00<edbian>Where is the "network settings dialog" Can you give me a command for it?
19:01<stroyan>edbian: /usr/bin/network-admin or right click on "network monitor" applet and choose "Properties"
19:02<naomii>i am using debian etch console (no gui) with tintin++ and i am trying to set macros on my function keys (f1-f12). but when i type (for example) the F1 key i just get a letter "A" instead of it sending the keymap(?) ^[[[A anyone know why ?
19:02<edbian>stroyan: I don't have properties from the applet. I think you need to have wired interface
19:03<edbian>I ran the network-admin via terminal
19:03<stroyan>edbian: I have properties. And it includes wlan0. Something is different there. Perhaps you have wlan0 configured differently in /etc/network/interfaces
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19:05<edbian>I tried to set up a static ip using "network-admin" it restarted the connection but I got the same DHCP address I had before
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19:06<stroyan>edbian: The applet I am looking at has an about dialog that says "Network Monitor 2.12.1"
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19:07<cwood>Good evening. What tools would you use to diagnose what apps may be making an end-user laptop get slower and laggier over the space of a few hours?
19:07<edbian>I'm on nm-applet .6!!!
19:07<edbian>I'm using debian stable (lenny)
19:07<edbian>0.6.6 to be specific
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19:08<naomii>what controls what your F1-F12 keys do in a linux console ?
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19:15<stroyan>edbian: I have package gnome-network-admin Version: 2.22.0-3 from lenny and lenny/updates and lenny/volatile .
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19:16<edbian>I am on the same version there
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19:41<AAlves>pessoal, alguém sabe me dizer se é possivel imprimir frente e verso com a HP PhotoSmart C4480 utilizando o Debian 5.0?
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19:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:42<dpkg>from memory, pg is shortname for postgreSQL, and I heard it is better than mysql!
19:42<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:42<AAlves>ok, sorry
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19:42<cwood>Thank you.
19:42<abrotman>cwood: it would have been !pt
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19:49<Guest495>po russkii kto gavarit?
19:50<dpkg>i heard gr is for help in greek try or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to & to #debian-el. General Resolution
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19:53<fencepost>a lil off topic but what is the final legal status of the OpenSSH trademark dispute, i cant seem to google any article newer than 2001
19:54<fencepost>just dont want this to be another sco to drag on forever
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19:56<dr|z3d>fencepost: "a lil"?
19:56<abrotman>fencepost: wikipedia ?
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19:57<fencepost>wiki just cites the same 2001, with no conclusion to the matter
19:57<abrotman>so ask the openssh people
19:57<abrotman>try #openssh on freenode
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20:14<zas>hi people
20:14<zas>i have problems (i think) with the entropy of my debian
20:14<zas>all time is like 3500/4092
20:14<zas>its normal?
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20:30<fencepost>not sure zas, all i know is that /dev/urandom is slow on deb, so is shred, which i think for the latter its behavior was changed to be a wrapper for urandom and not use its own internal prng
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20:32<enouf>stroyan: if you have a few moments; i'm back, and re-reading .. absrobing the whole "The graphics display and keyboard are on the system with the X server. The programs displaying things, like gnome-terminal, are clients." <--So, the "clients" in X11/X Windowing System terminology _never_ refers to any sort of specific 'machine' or 'hardware' attached to the network (thinking "node" and "thin client")? But only refers to X11-aware software/app
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20:32<zas>fencepost, i dont know how to slow the entropy.. but people tell me that is not bad for system only if i wana decodifing something or make rainbow tables
20:33<enouf>(if that truncated, please do tell)
20:33<fencepost>ive noticed wonky behavior with /dev/random using dd as well, where it will return using a smaller count but keep writing with a larger one (with same block size)
20:34<fencepost>more entropy is better i thought, why do u ant to slow it
20:34<enouf>stroyan: i *do* realize that usually, a thin client is booting an image, obtained through the "server" usually via PXE/tFTP and such, but many times, the thin clients actually have no HDD, no good Video Card, just some RAM
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20:37<enouf>stroyan: I mean; i could have 2 of each, say; Mouse+Keys+Monitor/Video - one half attached to XEON(server) and the other half attached to the PII(client) .. now what determines whom can ssh into whom? the 'sshd' (daemon)? Usually it's running on the "Server/Host" in my thoughts
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20:38<enouf>suppose i ran a sshd on the PII as well (client/user)? could i then reverse ssh -X tunnel into the PII from the XEON (server/host)?
20:39<enouf>if so, where would this roundabout looping ever end? once all resources are dried up?
20:39*enouf is missing a huge hunk of fundamentals
20:40<loudergood>yeah I think you'd get a feedback loop eventually
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20:40<enouf>i know VNC == Virtual Network Connection, IIRC, but ... hrm
20:41<dr|z3d>*Virtual Network Computing.
20:41<enouf>aren't aliases of ifaces (eth0{.,:}0) also virtual?
20:42<enouf>i forget whether they use a ':' or a '.'
20:42<dr|z3d>VNC is :1 etc.
20:42<enouf>stroyan: take your time (and any/all others ;-) ), and respond at your leisure, i have plenty of scrollback
20:43<dr|z3d>Which usually maps to 5900 + the numeric map.
20:43<enouf>dr|z3d: aha!
20:43<enouf>i've always equated VNC with Windows OSes
20:43<enouf>erm .. oor would that be morew VPN?
20:43<enouf>!acronymsmite me
20:43<dr|z3d>enouf: Not at all. VNC is unix based (AT&T).
20:44<enouf>dpkg: beat me with a barrel full of acronym soup!
20:44*dpkg beats me with a barrel full of acronym soup! with a large stick.
20:44<enouf>dpkg: and VPN?
20:44<dpkg>[vpn] see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check and, or ask me about <openvpn>.
20:44*dr|z3d chuckles.
20:44<enouf>omg ...
20:44<dr|z3d>enouf: Maybe you're thinking of hamachi?
20:44<enouf>dr|z3d: ok, so that's ANOTHER thing they stole - along with the BSD TCP stack
20:44<enouf>now i get it
20:45<enouf>dr|z3d: no, Hibachis are for grilling and BBQs ;-)
20:45<fencepost>ms's stack isnt much of one
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20:46<enouf>fencepost: maybe not anymore - but they also dropped "java" in 2001 ish .. who cares - they are theives .. but nm
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20:47<dr|z3d>Written by, um, Dave Carter previously at Dec Alpha? Vaguely recall something like that..
20:47<enouf>check out inet.dll and many others with a hex editor in legacy win editions
20:47<dr|z3d>Actually, that was NT's kernel.
20:47<enouf>so what
20:47<fencepost>the java thing was due to court order, hence sp1b
20:47<enouf>win98 was based on WDM32
20:47<enouf>which is what NT is
20:48<dr|z3d>enouf: So I love strawberries. :)
20:48<enouf>right .. don't mess with me ;-)
20:48<dr|z3d>Windows is shit. I think we can all concurr on that and move on. :)
20:48*enouf ^fives dr|z3d
20:48*dr|z3d grins.
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20:48<enouf>!beer the channel
20:48*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for the channel
20:49<enouf>it better be HUGE dpkg - heh
20:50<stroyan>enouf: vnc has always been able to work with either windows or linux as the sender/reciever. It was made to be platform independent.
20:50<enouf>dr|z3d: don't most (well AFAICT) windows users use x11vnc and x11vncserver or whatever to connect to windows boxen? i'm afraid of contamination ;-)
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20:50<enouf>stroyan: interesting .. XNN surely wasn't
20:50<dr|z3d>enouf: Nah, they'd use terminal server (rdp) mostly.
20:50<enouf>especially since it's based on UNIX Sockets
20:51<enouf>dr|z3d: RDP never existed prior to XP
20:51<dr|z3d>enouf: I thought we were talking, um, like present day. *chuckle*
20:51<dr|z3d>Sorry if you wanted to take a trip down nostalgia avenue. ;)
20:51<enouf>dr|z3d: compared to XNN?
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20:52<enouf>dr|z3d: compare my friend
20:53*dr|z3d chuckles.
20:53<enouf>dr|z3d: X Windowing is SLOW as shit because it NEEDS to comm through UNIX sockets. and needs xlib, hence, it doesn't/can't talk "directly" to the hardware ()VideoCard
20:53<dr|z3d>I think I lost the thread somehwere along route.
20:53<enouf>dr|z3d: you need to scroll back some hours, it's clustered though
20:54<enouf>"xv" makes an attempt .. but well ... heh
20:54<dr|z3d>I'm sure anything that screenshots and compresses the desktop is going to be a lot less good than something that can talk straight to the hardware. Sure.
20:54<enouf>maybe that'
20:54<enouf>s all changing with more X being "in kernel"
20:54<enouf>hence the importance of "contributing" to "upstream"
20:55<enouf>unlike distros like ubuntu and madr* and many other could never do
20:55<fencepost>so is x secure on debian?, i know bsd uses some special thing where it runs as non root
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20:55<enouf>fencepost: it (the Server) starts as root, and immediately switches user or something
20:56<fencepost>it has some special jailing feature i forget what its called
20:56<stroyan>enouf: The key disadvantage of X11 protocol for video is that it is largely a pixel exact protocol. The vnc/rdp/nx/neatx can cheat a bit using a lossy image compression.
20:56<enouf>likely EUID, RUID
20:56<fencepost>freebsd or openbsd
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20:56<enouf>stroyan: that sucks - i'd like DirectX ;-)
20:56<enouf>stroyan: my DVD is already compressed x10 :-)
20:57<fencepost>directx would be nice, im working with ogl atm so im good
20:57<enouf>stroyan: the MPEG2 format - so the #mplayer ppl on freenode tell me
20:57<enouf>fencepost: i had ALMOST gotten DVD playback on Console with DirectxFB + SVGAlib
20:57<stroyan>enouf: Perhaps you should just network mount the DVD and stream the file image.
20:57<enouf>however ... sigh
20:58<fencepost>when making a 3d engine its best to abstract which api u are using from the core of the engine anyway, incase u decide to support both later
20:58<enouf>i DO get GUI web browsing in Console using links2 -g though ;-)
20:58<dpkg>[links2] a text and graphics browser with support for HTTPS and JavaScript, packaged for Debian. For using in console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user when running in console in GUI mode). Ask me about <links2 settings>. Does not honor the <http_proxy> / <ftp_proxy> environment variables (Debian bugs #55425, #93359).
20:58<enouf>stroyan: ok - i'm all ears ;-)
20:58<enouf>stroyan: the thing is;
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20:59<fencepost>lol dvd on console, that would be sweet
20:59<enouf>*something, somewhere* needs to Decompress it (think Codec), i'd prefer the Dual CPU XEON do that
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20:59<enouf>fencepost: people do do it
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21:00<enouf>i get lost in the openGL Mesa Binary Drivers AIGLX/GLX schmegma
21:00<fencepost>i would like to get sound over ssh -X though, some sound server, perhaps pulse
21:00<stroyan>enouf: If you are limited by a network bandwidth bottleneck then it makes sense to decompress after the bottleneck. If you are not limited at the network, then decompress where the compute power is plentiful.
21:00<enouf>then there's the DRI/DRM crapola
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21:00<enouf>stroyan: network is perfectly 10/100BaseTX runnign fine
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21:01<enouf>stroyan: the issue is - maybe i need to inverse what i'm doing?
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21:01<fencepost>i use ssh -X a lot for my ancient 100mhz lappy, vids play smoothly
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21:02<enouf>stroyan: obviously, yes, i'm told something nuts like; VIDEO: MPEG2 720x480 (aspect 3) 29.970 fps 9800.0 kbps (1225.0 kbyte/s)
21:02<stroyan>enouf: "xrand -o invert" and watch it standing on your head?
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21:02<enouf>equuates to 11MB/sec acrosss the network ONCE Decompressed
21:02<enouf>stroyan: cut that out now! .. hehe
21:03<enouf>to DO the inverse ....
21:03<enouf>run the sshd on the PII and connect from the XEON
21:03<enouf>so a gigE would be needed
21:03<enouf>erm, i'm jumping around
21:05<fencepost>the new intel/amd sandy bridge/bulldozer cores will have aes crypto instruction sets, that will hopefully be a good thing for laptop battery for ssh once it starts using it
21:05<enouf>stroyan: the thing is; all this is LAN .. but i'm _imagining_ or _thinking_ about this as ONE PC is remote - many many kms, or miles away
21:05<stroyan>enouf: It could be possible to play the dvd on the xeon and then read that back from the framebuffer with x11vnc, which would then compress it back into another format, then pump it to the PII to decompress. But it doesn't seem likely to work better than MPEG2 to the PII.
21:05<enouf>fencepost: if you support that crap, you should like ...
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21:07<enouf>stroyan: as of earlier scenario, the DVD *is* being played on the XEON /dev/hda (Server/Host) and hence; i was connecting, to that throught my PII(client/user) with "ssh -X ..." and launching mplayer from an xterm i launched
21:08<fencepost>what were you saying enouf :P
21:08<enouf>stroyan: thank you VERY much for your time and thoughts and sharing the knowledge
21:08<enouf>fencepost: i have another hole to dig fencepost ?
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21:10<fencepost>one hole coming right up! hole.dig(post[sizeof(post)+1]);
21:12<Nameeater>Hi, I recently upgraded emacs22 on my debian squeeze system and it looks like I've lost the modeline, I just get *GNU Emacs* or the filename in dark grey where the modeline should be, but it does show up for a split second when loading, I've also tried moving my .emacs file and that doesn't look like the issue, has anyone else had this issue after upgrading?
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21:26<DebianFan>i use the "Shared Folders" under the system -> administration menu, but there isn't a way to set the permission. On my PC, I can see the shared ~user1 path, but hv not write permission. How do I set the permission to allow write
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21:26<dr|z3d>DebianFan: man chmod
21:26<dr|z3d>Type that in a terminal
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21:26<dr|z3d>Control + Q to exit man when you're done.
21:27<DebianFan>i do have write permission if i am on the debian box.. but when i mapped it from a windows/xp pc, i only hv readonly
21:28<vvas>dr|z3d: actually it's plain "q" generally
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21:28<vvas>but in any case, it sounds like a samba issue
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21:49<Slurb>on irssi how do i get a userlist on the right hand side?
21:50<Slurb>thx i looked through all the scripts and must have passed over it
21:51<Slurb>thank you very much
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21:56<Slurb>scripts aren't autoloading
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22:07<Slurb> has an error
22:08<Slurb>Irssi: Error loading module script/nicklist: /usr/lib/irssi/modules/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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22:29<enouf>Slurb: broken
22:29<Slurb>nope i figured it out
22:30<Slurb> /script load
22:30<Slurb>not /load script
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23:01<fencepost>apt-get moo
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23:06<Slurb>how do you unbind in irssi
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23:35<alexcabrera>Hi, I've FUBARed my Debian install and want to know if there's any way to restore Debian back to its initial state over SSH
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23:42<locsmif>alexcabrera, not really
23:42<alexcabrera>locsmif: so I'm pretty much left with trying to remote install debian over SSH and overwrite the old system?
23:42<locsmif>you have to find out what exactly the problem is and fix that
23:43<alexcabrera>there are so many of them, it would be easier to reinstall. there's nothing on the server to lose
23:43<locsmif>the only sure way to restore a fubared system is to restore a tar or restore an image of root
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23:43<locsmif>alexcabrera, ok
23:43<alexcabrera>locsmif: I'm not sure I understand, is there a tar that contains a base system that I can use to just overwrite / and simply reboot?
23:44<locsmif>well, I don't think you can install a system onto itself, because you need / because that's where your ssh server is running
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23:44<locsmif>alexcabrera, nah, only if you actually backed it up
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23:44<alexcabrera>no dice
23:44<locsmif>there is something to check package integrity though
23:45<locsmif>what was it again...i used it recently
23:45<alexcabrera>locsmif: I'm following these directions
23:45<abrotman>debootstrap ?
23:46<Lpcnew>anyone from Brazil?
23:46<locsmif>alexcabrera, debsums
23:46<dr|z3d>Lpcnew: Hey! Don't be messaging me, thanks.
23:46<Lpcnew>[dr|z3d]: ok o_o
23:46<alexcabrera>locsmif: I'll be checking that out when i get everything back up
23:46<alexcabrera>abrotman: I think that's what I'll be using.
23:46<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
23:47<locsmif>How can you use debootstrap on a root that you are running from?
23:47<locsmif>Am I missing something here? :P
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23:47<Lpcnew>i´m creating a new distro
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23:49<locsmif>What's it called? Hit & Run? :P
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23:52<alexcabrera>locsmif: Disabling swap partition, installing into the swap, chrooting in
23:52<Hideo>locsmif: check package integrity? You mean debsums?
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23:58<Supaplex>after xrdp is installed, what should be installed so it's also listening on 5910?
23:59<Supaplex>hummm something vnc
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