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---Logopened Wed Aug 05 00:00:25 2009
00:01<Supaplex>man xrdp... shows it's optionally a bridge, but I don't want that.
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00:14<Lanz>Anyone having problems with nepomuk and strigi in KDE 4.3?
00:15<Lanz>They seem to not work on a fresh install
00:15<Lanz>Are the packages just messed up or?
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00:42<Lanz>Also, Akonadi is broken and crashes on startup
00:42<Lanz>How has no one noticed this yet?
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00:43<craigevil>because #1 its kde and #2 its only in sid
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00:44<harry>Hi is there a way to get samba to work in antix
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00:46<harry>is there a mepis 8 chatline????
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00:50<alexcabrera>I'm trying to remotely install Debian and I got all the way to the point of reboot but realized I never set up my root user to be able to ssh into the new environment. How do I allow root to SSH in and set the password? I used debootstrap to set up my base system in an unused swap partition
00:51<Adamh>i would like to request some quick assistnace with amd64 and apt config sources.list format to get a netinstall to complete
00:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
00:52<southernc>so anoying when people ask to ask ZZzz
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00:54<DebianDuck>Adamh: same as i386! like "deb stable main"
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00:54<southernc>he wasnt here
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00:54<southernc><DebianDuck> Adamh: same as i386! like "deb stable main"
00:54<alexcabrera>I have a problem with __base-config__; I'm running Debian version __lenny__. When I try to do __apt-get install base-config__ I get the following output __Package base-config is not available, but is referred to by another package.__. I expected it to do __install base config so I can set up my users__.
00:55<DebianDuck>oh thanks
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00:55<southernc>although im not sure whos asking anymore lol
00:55*southernc is confused
00:55<alexcabrera>southernc: It's 1am and I'm about to cry. I'm confused as well
00:56<southernc>pfft i just setup a chroot that loops forever (:0P
00:56*ry60003333 is always confused
00:57<alexcabrera>why can't I install base-config?
00:57<southernc>ermm base-config
00:57<southernc>maybe you could explain what your trying to do ?
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00:58<alexcabrera>I am trying to set up debian in an unused swap partition so I can reboot from that partition and reinstall debian over ssh into the primary partition
00:58<southernc>cause ive never heard of base-config
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00:59<adamh>I can't get AMD64 debian netinstall to work, i need a sample sources.list for amd64 version? reading all the docs, I am trying deb-amd64 lenny main, but most internet documents are pre-lenny, i am old on linux but new to debian
00:59<southernc><DebianDuck> Adamh: same as i386! like "deb stable main"
00:59<southernc>oh base-config
01:00<southernc>If you wish to re-run the base-config at any point after installation is complete, as root run base-config
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01:02<southernc>base-config isnt an actual package you can download from repos
01:02<ry60003333>I have a question :O
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01:03<ry60003333>Did debootstrap in the install change from etch to lenny
01:03<ry60003333>Because etch installs fine on all my oldworld ppc macs, but lenny hangs on "Checking component main"
01:03<ry60003333>On Install Base System
01:04<southernc>that your first time at it or ?
01:04<southernc>cause if it is reboot and try it again
01:04<southernc>if its a never ending problem might either A check your media or B. check the integrity of the disc
01:05<southernc>or C. i just said the same thing twice basically and am falling asleep
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01:05<ry60003333>I've reburned three times :(
01:05<ry60003333>And I've tried it on a PowerMac 7300 with 96 MB of RAM and a PowerMac 8600 with 512MB of RAM
01:05<southernc>thats where a rewritable could come in handy :)
01:06<ry60003333>They can't read rewritables :D
01:06<ry60003333>But etch installed fine on both.
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01:06<ry60003333>And that was my weekend
01:06<southernc>a powermac cant read a rewritable ?
01:07<ry60003333>PowerMac 8600 :P
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01:07<jm_>we have sparc machines that can't read them either
01:07<southernc>this is why you should build your own system (:0P
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01:07<ry60003333>Yeah and you have to have Mac OS installed on those to boot Linux with BootX
01:07<jm_>so we have to use external scsi dvd rom
01:07<southernc>that seems like a pain
01:08<ry60003333>I just wish lenny would install; the "Checking component main" takes about 3 seconds when installing etch xD
01:08<ry60003333>On lenny it hangs until all the available memory is used up and then it hangs
01:08<southernc>i dont know anything bout macs since ive never owned one but you cant upgrade the drive or is this a bios/motherboard issue combined ?
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01:09<ry60003333>They don't have BIOS, they used Open Firmware
01:09<southernc>told ya i dont know anything bout macs
01:09<ry60003333>But Old World machines firmware is so bare because its only purpose was to load the Mac OS
01:09<ry60003333>Yeah its ok lol
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01:09<jm_>did you check if your system meets hw requirements for lenny?
01:09<southernc>why couldnt you do an etch install and then do dist-upgrade
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01:10<southernc>if its a clean install it should work flawlessly
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01:11<ry60003333>Yeah it meets the requirements.
01:11<southernc>then just do a dist-upgrade
01:11<ry60003333>If 4 GB of space and 512 MB of memory is good :)
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01:11<southernc>and youll have lenny
01:12<ry60003333>Yeah I'll try that; I tried to update on one system and screwed up the entire thing
01:12<ry60003333>Don't you have to add the lenny sources to apt?
01:13<southernc>ok im off to bed gnite
01:13<ry60003333>Night :)
01:13<southernc>:) goodluck
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01:14<ml|>dpkg: tell ry60003333 about etch->lenny
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01:18<jm_>it needs 32M according to inst. manual
01:18<ry60003333>yeah see
01:18<ry60003333>its a bug in the installer, cause etch worked fine
01:19<jm_>did you check if it's a known bug?
01:20<ry60003333>i can't seem to find it.
01:20<ry60003333>I believe its with debootstrap, isn't that what gives the message
01:20<ry60003333>Checking component main on file:///cdrom
01:20<ry60003333>Because it hangs on that and sucks up all the memory.
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01:27<jm_>is swap enabled at that point?
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02:01<ltrager>hey im trying to backport alsa-lib-1.0.20 to lenny
02:01<ltrager>debuild fails such time because im building on an i386 box and its testing if it can generate a valid x86_64 binary
02:01<ltrager>which it can it just cannt run it
02:01<ltrager>how can i get this to work?
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02:12<Engywuck>i merged yesterday a really old hard disk with a quite old thinclient (266MHz system...).
02:12<Engywuck>Turns ut the hard disk works really really fine on it
02:12<Engywuck>only one problem: this is still a sarge installation...
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02:13<Engywuck>is there still some repo for sarge around?
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02:14<ltrager>does anyone know why alsa-libs is doing a test for m64 when im on a 32bit arch?
02:14<Engywuck>do you have any links, jm_?
02:14<Engywuck> has no sarge any longer, as have others I tested
02:14<jm_>Engywuck: please learn to ask smart questions
02:14<dpkg>archive is, like, a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: or even, or
02:14<jm_>the last URL
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02:15<Engywuck>but why did you think that was no smatrt question? I surely didn't know that I had to ask for a debian archive... could have been called "debian ancient" instead or sth like that
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02:16<Engywuck>hard to find what you think exists but don't know how it's called :)
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02:19<jm_>because I could answer it with yes or no
02:19<jm_>smart question would be: where can I find repository for Sarge?
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02:22<Engywuck>and I thought you were no pea
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02:23<Engywuck>oh well
02:23<Engywuck>thanks again but i g2g
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03:00<hpdv>hi folks. My lspci|grep vga tells me this: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) -- can someone please push me to the right direction as to choosing the right drivers? (and where I get them?)
03:01<dmoerner>hpdv: all you need is xserver-xorg-video-intel
03:01<hpdv>so, just apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel?
03:02<jm_>you mean it didn't configure it for you automatically?
03:02<jm_>install xorg
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03:04<hpdv>jm_, sorry, I suppose it did.. because it says it already has it
03:04<hpdv>the screen was looking uncomfortably fuzzy, so I was thinking it hadn't
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03:05<jm_>hpdv: did you verify which resolution it's running at?
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03:05<hpdv>jm_, no, could you please tell me a command I can pass to do that?
03:06<jm_>hpdv: doesn't your monitor show this info?
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03:07<dmoerner>hpdv: the output of xrandr
03:07<hpdv>I'm not sure what you mean.. though, I did just go to System > Pref > Screen Res., and evidently, it's at 1440x900 (60 Hz refresh rate)
03:07<dmoerner>perhaps you need a different refresh rate
03:07<jm_>if it's a desktop LCD you can usually see mode info via OSD menus
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03:08<hpdv>it's a laptop, (hp pavillion dv9000)
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03:09<jm_>is that its native mode?
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03:09<hpdv> - there's xrandr, fwiw
03:10<hpdv>I'm not certain, but my feeling is that it isn't
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03:11<jm_>well doesn't sound too far off for modern laptops
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03:12<hpdv>does it sound proper for a 17" wide screen LCD?
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03:14<jm_>yeah web site says it's the right one
03:14<jm_>that or 1680 x 1050
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03:18<hpdv>ookay, I guess that's it then. I think it's looking fuzzy for me because of aa fonts -- I've used bitmap, or vedana with aa off my entire life.
03:18<hpdv>anyways, thanks for your time.
03:18<jm_>ahh wait, maybe anti-aliasing is not enabled or somesuch
03:19<jm_>or if it is enabled you can try disabling it and see if you like it more
03:19<jm_>probably best to open two terminals, one with aa enabled and one with it disabled and compare
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03:22<snogglethorpe>did a recent release of X re-enable the "kill X" key-combination?
03:22<snogglethorpe>recently I've several times accidentally killed X while hitting some keys, always involving backspace and some modifiers...
03:23<jm_>did you check the changelogs?
03:23<snogglethorpe>(usually I think I forget to release the modifier keys quickly enough, and hit backspace...)
03:23<snogglethorpe>jm_: just the debian changelogs
03:23<hpdv>hmm, this is peculiar.. I can't second-click on desktop.. and going to Places > Home doesn't instantiate nautilus .. what could be the culprit here? this is a relatively fresh installation :|
03:24<jm_>snogglethorpe: haven't they enabled the option to bind it via xkb?
03:24<snogglethorpe>jm_: dunno
03:25<snogglethorpe>nothing sticks out in the changelogs, though maybe i'm just looking for the wrong thing or in the wrong place...
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03:25<snogglethorpe>(e.g., gnome screws around with kb stuff too)
03:25<snogglethorpe>(usually incorrectly)
03:26<jm_>hmm xkbprint doesn't work for me
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03:26<jm_>or I am too stupid to figure out how to pass it proper display specification
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03:35<hpdv>lsusb returns this: Bus 006 Device 002: ID 03f0:171d Hewlett-Packard Wireless (Bluetooth + WLAN) Interface [Integrated Module] -- how would I go about getting the things I need to get wifi working? :x
03:36<jm_>hpdv: paste the full lspci -nn output on pastebin
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03:38<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on
03:38<jm_>go to the wiki page and follow instructions
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03:39<hpdv>alright, thanks
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03:56<Dayofswords>question, small CD iso's(180mb one) are enough to get the OS installed on a computer and the rest install through a package manager right?
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03:57<cahoot>the netinstall cd
03:58<snogglethorpe>Dayofswords: yup
03:58<snogglethorpe>Dayofswords: even the really really small one often works fine
03:59<snogglethorpe>(business card)
03:59<Dayofswords>ok thank you =)
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04:17<rmrfchik>upgrading libc6 to 2.9-23 gives dramatic performance boost on io
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05:15<stuckey>jm_: Hello
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05:16<stuckey>I installed a chroot yesterday but I wasn't sure what exactly to do thereafter... Could you tell me what you had in mind?
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05:33<esticsman>hi all. I have a lenny machine with scsi and raid. at boot time, it tries to build the raid arrays, but the scsi disks have not been detected yet, so it fails. how can I delay the raid array creation for some time or to after the disks have been detected?
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05:42<jm_>esticsman: root fs on raid or what?
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06:06<bignose>GNOME knows about applications to open files by MIME type.
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06:06<bignose>how does it decide the *default* application for a MIME type? how can a user easily change the default?
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06:08<enouf>esticsman: the scsi setup usually has it's own BIOS, have you enbaled that in system BIOS/CMOS? and configured it?
06:08<dr|z3d>bignose: Options -> Applicatons is one way.
06:08<enouf>esticsman: we need to know more specifics - answer jm_ please as well
06:08<dr|z3d>bignose: Or, for those that like to dig deeper, there's mimetypes.rdf
06:09<enouf>esticsman: see /etc/default/mdadm as well
06:09<bignose>dr|z3d: my GNOME desktop doesn't have an “Options” menu. what's the context you're starting with?
06:09<dr|z3d>bignose: Options/Tools/Prefs.
06:09<dr|z3d>bignose: Sorry, for a moment I thought I was in a different channel. :)
06:09<keith>debian 5. In web browser Epiphany, under file, how do I get it to have the default as 'work on line'. As it is now it automatically reverts to 'work off line' as the default.
06:09<enouf>!listvals magic+mime
06:09<dpkg>Factoid search of 'magic+mime' by value returned no results.
06:09<bignose>dr|z3d: again, I have no “Options” menu. where are you starting?
06:10<dr|z3d>Try prefs..
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06:10<enouf>there's a /etc/mail* file IIRC, that can be important?
06:10<dr|z3d>I mean, you know, take the initiative, big nose. Options/Prefs.. it's not that difficult to work out!
06:11<jm_>bignose: ~/.mailcap was standard back then, who knows what the modern way is
06:11<enouf>jm_: ahh
06:11<bignose>dr|z3d: my point is there are dozens of places that have an “Options” menu. I don't know which one *you're* talking about.
06:11<enouf># MIME types and programs that process those types
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06:11<bignose>and if we're not talking about the same thing, it's not much point me guessing.
06:11<enouf>yep - /etc/mailcap (capabilities)
06:11<dr|z3d>bignose: IceWeasel's..
06:12<dr|z3d>bignose: I thought we were talking about IW/Fx...
06:12<enouf>dr|z3d: maybe diff versions of gnome/gtk ?
06:12<bignose>dr|z3d: one more time: I started this conversation asking about how GNOME does it.
06:12<bignose>nothing to do with web broswer.
06:12<enouf>bignose: which suite? lenny?
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06:12<bignose>Lenny / Squeeze
06:12<dr|z3d>Ah. Gnome. My bad. *sips more coffee*
06:12<enouf>just clarifying, i don't use gnome, so don't know
06:13<enouf>!coffee dr|z3d
06:13*dpkg decants a fine mug of organic, fair trade Colombian for dr|z3d, courtesy of enouf
06:13<dr|z3d>!thank enouf
06:13<dpkg>my pleasure, dr|z3d
06:13<enouf>bignose: perhaps gconf*-editor - /msg dpkg gnome
06:14<dr|z3d>Yeah, I was about to say.. Gnome's version of the registry..
06:14<enouf>bignose: use tab-completion to help yourself replace the choices that the * would give - run as root/sudo, to really see all
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06:15<craigevil>is it really that hard in gnome? in lxde i just right click in pcmanfm and choose Properties>Open with
06:15<dr|z3d>Same in Gnome, sure.
06:15<dr|z3d>And Xfce, for that matter.
06:15<bignose>that does it one time.
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06:15<bignose>I'm asking how to change the default.
06:15<bignose>(for a user.)
06:16<dr|z3d>bignose: Right Click -> Properties.. you can set the _default_ opener there.
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06:16<bignose>dr|z3d: beautiful! that's exactly what I needed.
06:16<craigevil>im guessing for system wide you would do it as root or mess with gconf
06:16<dr|z3d>bignose: Sorry we went round the houses to get there!
06:17<bignose>per user is good enough for now, I can learn gconf voodoo later :-)
06:17*dr|z3d sips more coffee.
06:17<xayon>!coffee dpkg
06:17*dpkg decants a fine broth of organic Peruvian for dpkg, courtesy of xayon
06:17<xayon>For being a great bot =)
06:18<enouf>bignose: the very first thing you should do when installing and using GUIs is poke about all the various preferences available
06:19<bignose>I'm helping someone else to use it
06:19<enouf>bignose: with kde, (not that i use a DE, but have in the past) thewre are sooo many, it can make you cry
06:19<enouf>they house them all/most in it's "control center"
06:19<dr|z3d>bignose: Yeah, don't be afraid to poke around, or encourage whoever you're coaching to.
06:20<enouf>bignose: you mean we're just mere proxies? :-P
06:20<bignose>yes. I need specific answers, though, if I'm going to get them past the “this isn't Windows AAAHHHH” hurdle.
06:20<Hideo>erm... you better be afraid of poking around, what if it has herpies?
06:20<dr|z3d>Hideo: Not helpful, not funny.
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06:21<enouf>Hideo: heh, wrong channel - get back in your box!
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06:23<bignose>enouf: yep. they come to the help channels they're comfortable with: me. and I come to the help channels I'm confortable with: IRC :-)
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06:24<enouf>bignose: haha .. ok - makes sense, however, please promote the non-profliferation of all those "forums" that make you sign up and register just to answer someone, heh
06:25<enouf>(and actually, you'd be the proxy, we be source!)
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06:31<florian>hello, i need some help, i can't enable SHMConfig on lenny
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06:35<bignose>enouf: right. I refer to mailing lists, usenet, IRC channels, etc. as forums — stupid vertical-silo website “forums” don't get to monopolise that term :-)
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06:36<enouf>florian: hi, i recognize that nick from a usenet(a unix/linux one) group - that question suggests you are not they, however, i thought i'd ask. The person i'm thinking of can debug and apply patches, and such
06:37<enouf>if it is whom i am thinking of; Hello ;-) since that person has helped me way back
06:38<azeem>enouf: please keep it on topic
06:38<enouf>bignose: correct - with big flashing stupid animated GIFs for avatars and many other nonsensical things that only shroud the true information one is looking for
06:38<enouf>florian: how are you trying to enable it? and what errors are you getting?
06:39<UNera>WTF "SHMConfig" ?
06:39<jm_>somehow reminds me of synaptics driver
06:39<enouf>Shared Memory Config
06:39<olet>synaptic driver?
06:39<enouf>oh oh .. heh
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06:40<florian>enouf, i've added Option "SHMConfig" "true" in xorg.conf
06:40<florian>and tried
06:40<enouf>florian: you have a Touchpad?
06:40<jm_>are you using ubuntu?
06:40<florian>debian is running on acer 5920g
06:40<enouf>i know nothing about those - others will/do though so stick around
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06:41<dpkg>The Aspire One netbook is a low-cost laptop PC manufactured by Acer. Models supplied with Linux are shipped with the <Linpus> Linux Lite operating system and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see for installation, configuration and troubleshooting instructions.
06:41<enouf>not sure if that applies
06:42<florian>my xorg.conf looks like this ... is there a differece betwen 1 and true ?
06:42<enouf>wow, you';d think i'd find ONE instance/match to a case-insenstive search of 'shmconf' in either man xorg.conf, and man x, but no
06:43<olet>florian: this is what you should follow:
06:43<enouf>it's probably in man synaptics :-p
06:43<jm_>enouf: now try man synclient
06:43<enouf>interesting! ..
06:44<jm_>yes man 5 synaptics too
06:44<enouf>~$ apropos SHM
06:44<enouf>heh - not showing here ;-) but i don'thave those things installed
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06:45<enouf>jm_: thanks - it's just i loathe not having all options located in one place even though many many are hardware specific (man ati, man radeon, man intel, man nv, etc etc)
06:45<florian>hmm already tried all of this options, may i do something wrong ?
06:45<jm_>enouf: at least they are documented, unlike many other X options
06:46<enouf>jm_: yes,... very true
06:47<enouf>jm_: ahh .. on my much older-installed box, i see some XShmAttach (3) - X Shared Memory extension functions type tihngs, naturally from -dev pkgs and such .. FWIW
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06:49<jm_>enouf: yup, different stuff
06:50<enouf>Does anyone know where (documented on a local box) how to list the options one might use in /etc/default/ssh SSHD_OPTS= ?
06:50<enouf>heh, i see SSHD_OOM_ADJUST=-17 on one box here .. hehe
06:50<enouf>but that's not what i'm looking for
06:50<jm_>enouf: man sshd :)
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06:50<vvas>enouf: man ssh_config
06:50<enouf>heh - i did
06:51<vvas>ah no, /etc/default you said
06:51<jm_>those are the -foo options
06:51<vvas>enouf: i guess you can have a look at /etc/init.d/ssh and see what it uses
06:51<enouf>i meant the format jm - much like how things like /etc/modprobe.d/ module parameters are hard to find
06:51<vvas>but these things aren't usually terribly documented no
06:52<enouf>well, how to list/define them, within the file - obviously we know of modinfo
06:52<jm_>enouf: it's the same format you would use on sshd command line, so ="-foo1 -foo2 bar. .."
06:52<enouf>vvas: good point
06:52<enouf>jm_: ahh - thanks
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06:52<enouf>vvas: i recall finding things like that in /init.d/ scripts - good reminder
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06:53<florian>hmm the tutorials doesn't help
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06:54<enouf>florian: you need to be specific - /msg dpkg ask (in your irc client)
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06:56<florian>ok, i need to enable SHMConfig because i want to configure my touchpad with gsynaptics. when i try to start gsynaptics i read you have to set shmconfig true in xorf conf or xfree conf, my system is an acer 5920g running debian lenny 5.0.2
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06:57<enouf>florian: perhaps the format of your xorg.conf is wrong - post output of "egrep 'EE|drv' /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
06:57<enouf>to pastebin - or your whole file
06:58<enouf>perhaps gsynaptics has it's OWN settings too .. located elsewhere - in another format - like XML
06:58<florian> here the output
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07:00<florian>wait a moment, 10 min afk...
07:00<jm_>where did you put SHMCinfig?
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07:02<enouf>you might have even a HAL issue - 'pgrep udevd' (just to make sure it's running) and pastebin output of 'ps auxf | hal'
07:03<enouf>jm_: IIUC, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
07:03<jm_>enouf: yes, but which section etc.
07:03<enouf>j < florian> enouf, i've added Option "SHMConfig" "true" in xorg.conf
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07:04<enouf>erm 'ps auxf | hal' <== should be 'ps auxf | grep hal'
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07:19<enouf>florian: it would be better to talk to the channel - as i noted ( < enouf> i know nothing about those)
07:20<florian>hmm ok
07:21<enouf>florian: answer other's queries - and is udevd running?
07:21<enouf>yuor HAL output looks ok to me - might you be missing some pkgs? (again, just guessing)
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07:24<stuckey>Does anyone know if it's possible to run a 32bit game in a 32bit chroot (lenny) on a 64bit sid host system?
07:24<enouf>seems very possible stuckey
07:24<stuckey>The game needs x
07:25<koollman>that's not a problem
07:25<enouf>i mean, the only thing is GAME that migt have it's own issues
07:25<jm_>yeah no big deal, your biggest problem will be getting it to talk to X server, but even that is simple to solve
07:25<ootput>hi. I recently noticed an upgrade to grub2 from legacy. Will it be necessary in the near future to upgrade?
07:25<enouf>X isn't the issue
07:25<koollman>opengl could be an issue, though.
07:25<enouf>jm_: heh, i'm thinking Audio would be ;-)
07:25<stuckey>I'm not really sure how to do this, I mean, I know how to set up a chroot, but is everything else the same?
07:25<enouf>jm_: /dev/dsp and such
07:25<jm_>enouf: right, /dev is typically bind mounted
07:26<enouf>ahh .. righto
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07:26<jm_>enouf: X is issue because it listens on a socket in /tmp
07:26<enouf>jm_: i guess i'm thinking of how (some) games mostly use OSS ?
07:26<jm_>so you either need that accessible in chroot or access it via tcp port
07:26<enouf>well - whatever ...
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07:29<stuckey>The gave developer should have made this thing work with 64 bit.
07:29<enouf>heh, fat chance .. /heh
07:30<enouf>and multi-threaded!
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07:30<enouf>that's why when AMD64 DualCores came about in the s939, their FX-single core line was still besting them
07:31<stuckey>I'm just going to get another hard drive and put 32 bit debian on it.
07:31<stuckey>I do wish spring was mutlti threaded.
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07:31<enouf>!ding ding ding
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07:31<stuckey>It would really be nice to have
07:31<enouf>we have a winnAr ;-)
07:31<dpkg>Ah... I should get myself a beamer... Any sugar daddies around?
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07:32<enouf>stuckey: you could practice your debootstrap abilities too! ;-)
07:32<stuckey>enouf: how so?
07:33<enouf>stuckey: via installing on another HDD ..
07:33<enouf>or within a chroot
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07:34<stuckey>enouf: I can do that instead of doing the install thing? Man that'd be nice
07:34<stuckey>I think I'll try that
07:34<enouf>stuckey: i mean, instead of your chroot, you could install another version/instance etc of debian, from within the chroot
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07:34<stuckey>enouf: I was thinking I'd use debootstrap to install to another HD
07:34<enouf>that can be done too! even on another PC, over the LAN!
07:35<enouf>or WAN for that matter
07:35<stuckey>I just have to find a hard drive.
07:35<enouf>or make room -- debootstrap only needs a dir/ to install to
07:35<jm_>yeah that's what 32bit chroot is
07:35<ootput>with grub2, how do i specify no 'single user' or 'repair mode' entries automatically generated
07:36<ootput>as was possible in menu.lst in grub legacy
07:36<enouf>stuckey: the installation guide has the details, do not try installing sid though (i just tried) and it has dependency issues, install squeeze and upgrade once done
07:36<ootput>basically, I'd like to only have a single entry for custom debian kernel, and one for windows
07:37<enouf>ootput: all i know is there's /etc/grub.d/* and /etc/default/grub.cfg ? and /boot/...
07:37<jm_>ootput: edit /etc/grub.d/10_linux and remove it ;)
07:37<enouf>ootput: ?
07:37<ootput>enouf: yeah, grub.d files has a 10_linux file, but no configuration options in it
07:37<ootput>I guess I could manually delete stanzas, but I'd like it to be as vanilla as possible
07:38<enouf>there's the #grub channel also on freenode network - but jm_ seems to know how
07:39<enouf>or you culd mailto the proper debian mailing list, i guess
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07:40<enouf>what the heck with all the *avahi* depends with x11vnc .. FFS
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07:41<dr|z3d>enouf: Never noticed. tightvnc might be a better bet?
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07:41<jm_>ootput: indeed, I suppose wishlist bug is in order
07:42<ootput>abstraction, or further options in defaults file?
07:43<jm_>that's why I don't use update-grub and have made my grub.cfg chattr +i so it doesn't overwrite it - it makes no backup when doing that
07:44<enouf>dr|z3d: nah - .. but checkout that stroyan posted yesterday
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07:44<enouf>jm_: update-grub is still around in grub2? interesting
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07:45<enouf>jm_: heh, the resolvconf issue - hehe (chattr =i)
07:45<dr|z3d>enouf: Interesting.
07:45<enouf>er +i
07:45<enouf>dr|z3d: indeed - note the date though
07:45*dr|z3d chuckles.
07:45<ootput>jm_: yeah
07:46<dr|z3d>That would account for the web1 formatting, enouf ;)
07:46<ootput>but I like a bit of automation now and then. Seems GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_RECOVERY="true" in default file did the trick
07:46<enouf>heh - it's hard to miss it with things like; "... For this tutorial, I used the Red Hat 7.x ..."
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07:46<enouf>dr|z3d: it's so beautiful ... /me hearts web1
07:47<ootput>shame it doesn't have provisions for root=LABEL=...
07:47<ootput>UUID is an eyesore
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07:48*dr|z3d chuckles.
07:49<enouf>dr|z3d: x11vnc README file Date: Wed Oct 3 18:57:35 EDT 2007 is a pretty big file ;-)
07:50<enouf>dr|z3d: (taken from within)
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07:50<jm_>ootput: which version of grub2 do you have?
07:51<jm_>ahh right, I looked in lenny only where this is not available
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07:51<jm_>so someone already asked for it I guess
07:51<ootput>re: linux_recovery?
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07:52<enouf>ootput: what's the /etc/default/ grub file name?
07:52<ootput>yeah, found it by chance in 10_linux
07:52<ootput>enouf: just grub
07:52<enouf>right - i guess /boot/grub/grub.cfg exists?
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07:52<enouf>ok - thanks for confirming
07:52<ootput>menu.lst deprecated
07:53<dr|z3d>enouf: Reminds me of academic sites.
07:53<dr|z3d>All the info there, and none of the presentation, beyond the utilitarian. :)
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07:54<jm_>ootput: possibly makes sens to submit a patch that adds these to the /etc/default/grub file as comments if they aren't already (disable_uuid one is already in there for example)
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07:56<jm_>with that option I could go back to chattr -i :)
07:56<jm_>ahh no, it would add all million kernels, forget it
07:56<enouf>dr|z3d: indeed ;-)
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07:58<enouf>dr|z3d: btw, do you or anyone else have any good ideas for a clipboard controlling tool? i mean, i use both IW and links2, and copy/paste URLs from one to the other is insanely silly - AND, i loathe IW's way one needs to right-Click -> select Copy to get it to clip
07:59<enouf>(once highlighted) so 3 steps -- stupid .. otherwise it doesn't take
07:59<dr|z3d>enouf: I use Xfce's panel clip manager, enough for my needs.
07:59<enouf>no DE!@
07:59<enouf>sorry ;-)
07:59<enouf>forgot to make that a prerequisite
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07:59<jm_>enouf: would autocutsel help?
08:00<enouf>i suppose i MIGHT be able at eh WM level?
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08:00<enouf>jm_: thanks, i'll look
08:00<enouf>craigevil: is that a suggestion for me? never heard of it
08:01<craigevil>enouf: yes its a clipboard manager like klipper/glipper but light i use it in lxde/openbox
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08:01<enouf>jm_: heh - nice
08:01<enouf>In the case of a VNC client since it synchronizes the Windows' clipboard and the server's cutbuffer, all three "clipboards"
08:01<enouf>so .. seems like it's for moi
08:01<enouf>(since i'm toying with VNC now ... )
08:02<enouf>craigevil: cool - i'll look at that as well - thank you
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08:05<ootput>say I made a silly mistake when using aptitude (basically purging 'new packages') how do I undo the pending operation? restarting aptitude would still list pending jobs
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08:06<enouf>jm_: do you use autocutsel? have a peek at .. it's nice to have a right-click - select older cut/copy/paste selection, as i used to have using klipper - which was searchable too ;-) .. and yet, even having to go through those hoops became a bit of a trudge
08:06<jm_>ootput: Actions -> Cancel pending actions maybe?
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08:07<ootput>ah, never used any of the menu items
08:07<ootput>jm_: thanks
08:07<jm_>enouf: I use it but I never really used tools like klipper etc.
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08:08<enouf>jm_: ok - i'm installing autocutsel to try out first since it appears to operate at the lower level of X only., no need for gtk/gtk+ depends and such - thanks
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08:10<handjob>Good morning gentleman. How can i check the size of a package / packages before installation using 'apt-get' ?
08:11<jm_>apt-cache show will show Installed-Size field, there are also other tools to query for that
08:12<themill>handjob: aptitude and apt-get will both tell you the download and installation sizes before actually doing anything. Use -s if you want to "simulate" the install. (this approach will also tell you about the size of the dependencies that would be required)
08:13<handjob>themill, Thank you (as usual).
08:13<stew>handjob: 'apt-cache show packagename' would tell you Installed Size:
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08:14<handjob>themill, However i belive that apt-get install won't ask if only one package is specyfied and '-s' option somehow doesn't work for me.
08:14<handjob>stew thank you as well.
08:16<handjob>So 'apt-cache show' indeed shows package size however it doesn't count dependecies. If i want to install JDK (50 packages) how can i determinate overall size?
08:17<Arrowmaster>use aptitude
08:18<handjob>Arrowmaster, Any specyfic command? I only used 'dpkg' and 'apt' so far.
08:18<vvas>handjob: you can just say "apt-get install" with the desired package, apt-get will tell you how much space will be occupied and ask you if you want to continue
08:18<jm_>aptitude install will show it, just say n at the final question
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08:20<handjob>Yes gentleman but as i wrote before in some cases - when there is no dependecies apt will not ask for 'Y/N' it will perform instalation automaticly. I am not sure about aptitude i will check it. Thx everyone and sorry for spelling.
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08:24<ans-tor>anyone recall name of a free software that implement the web service for generating various browser screenshot?
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08:25<enouf>handjob: so your issue is a) you first need to determine IF a pkg has any Depends? .. it's kind of silly to worry about installed size then, isn't it?
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08:25<enouf>handjob: df -hT is a handy tool too :-)
08:26<vvas>handjob: you can provide --no-act to apt-get so that it won't actually attempt to do anything, even for one package
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08:26<florian>enouf, sry i was away
08:26<handjob>enouf Thanks.
08:26<handjob>vvas, Thanks.
08:26<florian>but it is running
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08:28<florian>is shmconfig in a package or something like this ?
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08:28<patco444>Learn How To Lose Weight:
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08:29<enouf>florian: no, it's an option in X - if you have the 'xorg' metapackage properly installed it should be there within
08:29<enouf>florian: dpkg -l xorg | tail -1 says?
08:31<florian>ii xorg 1:7.3+19 X.Org X Window System
08:31<enouf>handjob: apt-get -s -d install autocutsel (which has no depends AFAICT) seems to do the proper thing too
08:32<handjob>enouf, I will check it out. Thank you for input enouf.
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08:36<enouf>folks - have a gander please; Note all the /dev/ files in my /root dir .. the install was done via debootstrap over ssh, and has been rebooted, atleast once since, i'm running the latest .30 sid
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08:40<enouf>handjob: actually, my bad, nothing about Installed Size using that last method (with -s -d)
08:41<enouf>actually they remind me of sysfs and /proc files
08:41<enouf>note what lshal | grep ram1 yields
08:42<enouf>~$ ls /sys/block
08:43<enouf>OH ... hehe .. for SOME silly reason, when i installed, debootstrap thought the DATE was sometime in 2001 for some reason ..i recall getting tons of spam to terminal everytime i attempted using apt-get and such
08:44<enouf>i also recall, 'locales' weren't properly setup, but that was an easy fix, it's just that also spammed the terminal when using apt-get
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08:45<enouf>i remember those "..... sometime in the future" lines .. many of them
08:45<florian>is there a way to configure synaptic touchpads on konsole ?
08:45<enouf>koollman: likely you want to install kcontrol
08:45<jm_>florian: yes, via synclient but that too needs SHMConfig
08:45<enouf>erm sorry koollman - i meant florian
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08:46<enouf>florian: for any/all KDE-based apps, go through K Control Center - access it through "kcontrol" from within a terminal, or go Kmenu -> Control Center
08:46<enouf>florian: atleast for Lenny and KDE 3.5.x - kde4 uses something called "systemsettings"
08:47<florian>hmm kde ... im using gnome
08:47<enouf>IIRC, and watchout though, kde4 is a bit of a mess, to put it mildly - and besides that would require you to upgarde to squeeze (unless, or until someone tries to Backport it - hehe)
08:47<enouf>florian: "konsole" is a qt - kde app
08:48<enouf>not GTK/GTK+
08:48<enouf>which is what GNOME is made from
08:48<azeem>he means console, not "konsole" in particular, maybe
08:48<florian>sry i though german ;)
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08:49<enouf>it;s not your fault - the K thing is lame ;-)
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08:50<florian>is it possible that there is something wrong in xorg.conf ?
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08:52<enouf>:-/ ... i ran touch /root/.bashrc and now i have TWO /root/.bashrc files, one that i had customized and the recent touch one of 0 bytes
08:52<enouf>$ date
08:52<enouf>Sun Aug 5 09:31:13 EDT 2001
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08:53<enouf>i did "date -s ...." before reboot to fix that!
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08:54<jm_>did you try ls -b?
08:54<jm_>or ls -q
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08:54<boost>i wanna change my debians language
08:54<enouf>uff .. $ apt-cache search hwclock yields nothing :-(
08:55<boost>it is 5.0.2 and it is turkish now
08:55<boost>i wanna do it english
08:55<enouf>[ 1.604315] rtc_cmos 00:05: setting system clock to 2001-08-04 18:29:41 UTC (996949781)
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08:55<jm_>enouf: hwclock is a filename, not a packagename - you need util-linux
08:55<jm_>boost: change locale
08:55<enouf>util-linux: /etc/init.d/
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08:56<enouf>thanks jm_ yay for apt-file ;-)
08:56<jm_>yup and /sbin/hwclock
08:56<enouf>ii util-linux 2.15.1~rc1-1 Miscellaneous system utilities
08:57<enouf>"Houston .. we have a problem"
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08:57<jm_>maybe it has been split off or somesuch, check the changelog
08:57<boost>jm. thx
08:57<jm_>!tell boost about locales
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09:00<enouf>sudo date -s "Wed Aug 5 09:00:10 EDT 2009" == better .. for now
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09:07<rmrfchik>/usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
09:08<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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09:08<ottoshmidt>when I access windows shared folder through Samba where is it mounted on Debian machine?
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09:08<rmrfchik>valdyn: can't find uuid for lib32
09:08<rmrfchik>i'm running amd64
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09:09<spawn>bom dia
09:09<spawn>good morning
09:09<enouf>vvas: amazing, remember your suggestion to me about look at the init.d/ssh script (to find out how to setup /etc/default/ssh SSHD= options or whatever) - and i responded i recalled once using that method - well right now, i just recalled WHICh time that was, and i'm here AGAIN on the same file/issue ;-)
09:10<valdyn>rmrfchik: in which debian release?
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09:10<spawn>i need auth zimbra server on server imap external
09:10<valdyn>judd: versions i32-apt-get
09:10<judd>valdyn: i32-apt-get --
09:10<rmrfchik>valdyn: unstable
09:10<valdyn>judd: versions i32-aptget
09:10<judd>valdyn: i32-aptget --
09:10<spawn>itś possible?
09:10<valdyn>judd: versions i32-apt
09:10<judd>valdyn: i32-apt --
09:11<azeem>valdyn: it's iare
09:11<azeem>it's ia32 AFAIK
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09:11<valdyn>rmrfchik: you need ia32-apt-get
09:11<spawn>como faço ?
09:11<valdyn>rmrfchik: thats quite intrusive
09:11<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:11<rmrfchik>ia32-apt-get: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table:
09:11<rmrfchik>seems like it's not in repo yet
09:11<valdyn>rmrfchik: sure, but you need it
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09:11<valdyn>rmrfchik: it is in the repo
09:12<valdyn>judd: versions ia32-apt-get
09:12<judd>valdyn: ia32-apt-get --
09:12<enouf>judd: versions ia32-libs --arch amd64
09:12<valdyn>what the fuck
09:12<judd>enouf: ia32-libs -- etch: 1.19 lenny: 2.7 squeeze: 2.7 sid: 20090804
09:12<valdyn>judd: versions ia32-apt-get --arch amd64
09:12<judd>valdyn: ia32-apt-get --
09:12<valdyn>rmrfchik: judd is broken, the package is there
09:12<azeem>valdyn: nobody said it was a package AFAIK
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09:12<valdyn>azeem: i have and use that package
09:12<rmrfchik>valdyn: can you paste apt-cache policy ia32-apt-get?
09:13<enouf>judd: versions ia32-apt-get --arch amd64 --release Lenny
09:13<judd>enouf: ia32-apt-get --
09:13<enouf>oh well
09:13<valdyn>sure its not in lenny
09:13<valdyn>rmrfchik: 500 http://aptproxy sid/main Packages
09:13<enouf>that explains that ...heh
09:13<vvas>enouf: what about HWCLOCKPARS?
09:13<azeem>valdyn: what source package?
09:13<azeem>I think ia32-apt-get got recently removed
09:14<valdyn>Package: ia32-libs-tools
09:14<valdyn>azeem: ^^
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09:14<enouf>vvas: it just rang a bell for me - nm - just thought it's odd, that it's an issue i have to deal with NOW, and it's the one i recall from the past
09:14<enouf>one specific one
09:14<valdyn>azeem: weird
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09:14<valdyn>rmrfchik: now if ia32-apt-get got removed then 32-bit library support can only be broken i guess
09:15<azeem>valdyn: I don't think a source package of that name ever existed
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09:15<valdyn>azeem: sure it did exist
09:15<spawn>who configured zimbra to autenticate in server qmail external
09:16<azeem>in that case, there would be some trace on the PTS I guess
09:16<valdyn>judd: versions ia32-libs-tools
09:16<judd>valdyn: ia32-libs-tools --
09:16<valdyn>judd: versions ia32-libs
09:16<judd>valdyn: ia32-libs --
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09:16<valdyn>judd: versions ia32-libs --arch amd64
09:16<judd>valdyn: ia32-libs -- etch: 1.19 lenny: 2.7 squeeze: 2.7 sid: 20090804
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09:16<valdyn>judd: versions ia32-libs-tools --arch amd64
09:16<judd>valdyn: ia32-libs-tools --
09:16<themill>hehe check the last message in that list
09:16<valdyn>to bad, ia32-apt-get works perfectly fine for me
09:17<rmrfchik>read urls I paste
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09:17<rmrfchik>mistery is gone
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09:17<valdyn>rmrfchik: yea, some idiot
09:18<vvas>ftpmasters fucked this up eh
09:18<azeem>valdyn: read the relevant threads on -devel
09:18<vvas>ah well, it'll get sorted
09:19<themill>There was some contention as to which of the ia32-* packages should be taken out and shot. Seems ftp-masters decided that ia32-apt-get was the one that should be removed not ia32-libs
09:21<valdyn>i can still grab the source package
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09:23<florian>it runs (=
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09:38<enouf>can someone please show me their pstree -lunap | grep [r]syslogd shows?
09:38<enouf>ps auxf shows only; /usr/sbin/rsyslogd -c4
09:39<enouf>~$ pstree -lunap | grep [r]syslogd | xargs
09:39<enouf>|-rsyslogd,2023 -c4 | |-{rsyslogd},2660 | `-{rsyslogd},2661
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09:42<enouf>i recall having Dual and separate (each hangin off init) syslogd and klogd on my older install _on a different machine_ until a recent upgrade
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09:42<enouf>which no longer is like thyat
09:44<enouf> renew 1 2001/08/06 05:08:49; <- haha, a dplicate entry in /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases
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09:59<zeropiel>I just upgraded my box with extra ram. Now debian only uses the new chips, not the old. In the BIOS I could see the full RAM fine. Any ideas?
09:59<enouf>how do you know which chips?
09:59<zeropiel>different sized
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10:00<enouf>erm .. how many slots and how much total RAM is installed and uname -r says?
10:00<zeropiel>I had 2 matched 1GB chips laying around and added them. Have 2 slots with 2GB each, 2 slot with 1GB each.
10:01<enouf>wait - is that one of those ODD intel boards w/4 slots? 2 for DDR and 2 for when you finally upgrade to DDR2?
10:02<enouf>zeropiel: you have 6GB installed now?
10:02<dpkg>For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need hacks like bigmem.
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10:03<dpkg>For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need hacks like bigmem.
10:03<enouf>!tell zeropiel -about msgthebot
10:03<zeropiel>ah, there's the problem. Thanks
10:04<enouf>no prob
10:04<zeropiel>easies way is to apt-get it to the kernel?
10:05<enouf>judd: versions linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem
10:05<judd>enouf: linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 squeeze: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.30+20
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10:05<enouf>lenny-backports even has a .30 .. but if on squeeze grab the sid one
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10:06<zeropiel>reboot right?
10:06<enouf>zeropiel: all you need to pass to apt-get is the "linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem" part - depending on which suite you're running
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10:07<enouf>if it did the right thing, yes
10:07<EmleyMoor>After replacing a kernel, you do need to reboot - one of the few times
10:07<enouf>EmleyMoor: not if using kexec ;-0
10:07*zeropiel nods
10:07<zeropiel>thanks, cya
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10:08<enouf>but yes, in general .. 99.9% do not use kexec, i'd bet - so
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10:23<zeropiel>Thanks for the help guys. Looks good now.
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10:24<dpkg>For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need hacks like bigmem.
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10:26<Slurb>can you use a 64 kernel on i386?
10:26<dr|z3d>Slurb: No.
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10:26<Slurb>i didnt think so
10:27<dr|z3d>Not unless your chip's natively 64bit.
10:27<Slurb>mine is
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10:28<dr|z3d>Then sure, if the rest of the OS is 64bit.
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10:28*arw hello folks
10:29<themill>You can install the -amd64 kernel and have a 32-bit user space if you want.
10:29<Slurb>you can
10:29<dr|z3d>themill: Oh? Ok.
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10:30<dr|z3d>themill: Wouldn't that introduce major headaches, though?
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10:30<Slurb>i installed amd64 lenny and i have the ia32 libs installed. i havent tried many i386 apps. but skype seems to work
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10:30<Slurb>had to forceall install it
10:31<Slurb>but it works
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10:31<themill>That's a slightly different situation, but quite similar. If you have an i386 installation of debian, you can install the amd64 kernel into that.
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10:31<themill>dr|z3d: I've heard that certain non-free kernel modules are fun to get going.
10:31<Slurb>themill: that wouldnt cause problems though
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10:33<Slurb>themill: how would you build a 64bit kernel in a i386 userspace though
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10:33<enouf>dr|z3d: er .. ofcourse you can use a 64bit kernel with 32bit userland
10:33<enouf>dr|z3d: note; what dpkg says; Alternatively, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need hacks like
10:34<Slurb>that was what i got out of it
10:34<enouf>oh - late again - sorry
10:34*dr|zed chuckles.
10:34<dr|zed>enouf: Thanks, I'm clued in now. ;)
10:34<enouf>you cannot do the converse though ;-)
10:35<enouf>32bit kernel on 64bit userland <--converse
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10:36<enouf>Slurb: you basically cross-compile, you'll just need proper pkgs
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10:36<enouf>use make-kpkg too
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10:36<enouf>or just install and use the Debian one ;-)
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10:37<enouf>make-kpkg is part of the kernel-package pkg
10:38<Abs0luT>could someone help with debian vnc connection ?
10:38<Slurb>as long as you could build it with the same compiler i dont see that you would run into problems with modules
10:38<dr|zed>Abs0luT: What's the issue?
10:38<Abs0luT>connection refused
10:38<EmleyMoor>Abs0luT: Maybe - what are you trying to achieve?
10:38<dr|zed>Abs0luT: How are you tring to connect?
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10:38<enouf>i think you might need a enhanced (for lack of a better word) compiler - or addon
10:38<dr|z3d>Abs0luT: ?
10:39<dr|z3d>Note the :1 .. !important.
10:39<Abs0luT>i write that
10:39<enouf>dr|z3d: good to know ;-)
10:39<Abs0luT>i use tightVNC viewer
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10:39<dr|z3d>Abs0luT: And vnc's running on the server? And isn't firewalled?
10:40<Slurb>Abs0luT: you have to have a server running on the box you connect to
10:40<Abs0luT>well i tryed to check firewall but im not sure or its on or of
10:40<dr|z3d>Connection refused = remote host is *actively* rejecting your connection attempt.
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10:41<Slurb>iptables L
10:41<Slurb>i cant make a dash
10:41<Slurb>iptables dashL
10:41<dr|z3d>Abs0luT: Which means one of two things: vnc server's not listening on the port you're attempting to connect to, or the host is actively blocking connections on vnc's port.
10:42<Slurb>i have the dash bound to scroll the nicklist in irssi
10:42<Abs0luT>i got conenction refused (10061)
10:42<petemc>Slurb: why would you do that
10:42<dr|z3d>How do you know VNC is running on the target?
10:43<Slurb>list rules
10:43<Slurb>see if its blocking anything
10:43<enouf>haha .. me hands Slurb a box of dashes
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10:44<enouf>Abs0luT: be sure route and arp are reporting proper output on the server
10:45<enouf>Slurb: er .. you actually _want_ to see the nick list?
10:46<enouf>rules? what rules?
10:46<Slurb>yeah i have joins and parts turned off so its my only way of knowing who is here
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10:46<Slurb>iptables rules
10:46<enouf>use tab-completion@!
10:46<Slurb>enouf good idea
10:46*enouf *shakes head*
10:46<dr|z3d>Abs0luT: Please don't message me privately.. I'm helping you here, if only you'd care to respond to questions in a timely manner.
10:47<enouf>Abs0luT: others might benefit when kept in the channel
10:47<Abs0luT>sry i don't know what to do
10:47<Slurb>refused sounds like the server isnt running
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10:47<Slurb>if the firewall was up it would most likely timeout
10:47<enouf>or - it's IPconnection isn't corrrect
10:47<EmleyMoor>"Computer says no." <g>
10:48<petemc>depends if the firewall drops or rejects
10:48<enouf>er isn't working
10:48<enouf>ping the fucker 1st
10:48<Abs0luT>i have firestart
10:48<enouf>if that doesn't work - the server's conn is no good
10:48<Slurb>absolute make a rule for incoming connections in firestarter
10:48<dr|z3d>Abs0luT: Open incoming on 5900-5910 (tcp and udp to be safe).
10:48<Abs0luT>enouf how to check ping ?
10:50<Abs0luT>Slurb whats the command for making rule of incomming ?
10:50<enouf>ping -c4
10:50<dr|z3d>Abs0luT: From a terminal. type: man ping
10:50<dr|z3d>Control +Q to exit when you're done.
10:50<enouf>ping -c4 perhaps too
10:50<Abs0luT>64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=4 ttl=62 time=0.248 ms
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10:50*enouf learns quickly :-P
10:50<enouf>looks ok
10:50<Abs0luT>here what i get from ping
10:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
10:51<Slurb>absolute open firestarter and right click in the rules tab and select add
10:52<Abs0luT>i can open anything
10:52<Abs0luT>im doing everything via ssh putty
10:52<enouf>turn off Firepooper and disable it from startup and reboot :-P
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10:53<enouf>Abs0luT: can you ssh in normally?
10:53<enouf>without vnc?
10:53<Abs0luT>not realy im just started using debian and shh
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10:54<Abs0luT>mabey i could give u shh acess to my server and you could take a look whats the problem
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10:54<enouf>[ 1.612267] rtc_cmos 00:05: setting system clock to 2009-08-05 09:56:43 UTC (1249466203)
10:55<Slurb>i dont know how you are going to ssh if firestarter is running
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10:56<enouf>haha .. look what i did ... oh man
10:56<enouf>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2009-08-05 09:00 ,bashrc
10:56<enouf>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4475 2001-08-03 12:28 .bashrc
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10:56<enouf>one is a comma!
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10:56<Abs0luT>before that i didn't had firestarter i instaled via ssh
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10:57<Abs0luT>il restore server
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10:59<grim_>hello, I tried to edit my /etc/group with "vigr" and I experienced a wierd behaviour of vigr, it doesn't want to go to INSERT mode by pressing I and when I press the arrow keys to move the cursor it writes Cap letters
10:59<grim_>does anyone know how to solve this issue
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11:01<jthomas_sb>grim_ does insert mode work with 'i' (lowercase) ? The arrow key seems to be like behavious of older Vi (cygwin style) rather than vim. have you tried vim? I don't know vigr
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11:02<jthomas_sb>and i don't have vigr in my repos to check it
11:02<Abs0luT>do you need GNOME to use vnc ?
11:02<jthomas_sb>no, Abs0luT
11:02<Slurb>vigr is vi group right
11:02<jthomas_sb>which is what, Slurb ?
11:03<dr|z3d>Abs0luT: A desktop environment is preffered, but not necessarily Gnome.
11:03<Slurb>vi for the group file
11:03<Slurb>like visudo
11:03<themill>vigr respects the $EDITOR variable and also the editor alternative. (It's in the passwd package)
11:03<grim_>sry I've meant "i", I'm just using vigr, cause a collegue told me to do so, he said, it has something to do with updating /etc/shadow
11:03<jthomas_sb>grim_ for which file are you editing?
11:04<Abs0luT>if you try connect thru ex. TightVNC and you get message that connection refused. What main things that blocks your vnc connection ?
11:04<Abs0luT>can block *
11:04<themill>grim_: try ESC :q! to exit the editor without saving changes and "EDITOR=nano vigr" to edit using nano instead.
11:04<Slurb>how do you exit vigr?
11:04<Slurb>how do you exit vigr?
11:04<dr|z3d>The host.
11:04<jthomas_sb>port 5500 or 5900 need to be open, Abs0luT
11:05<grim_>Slurb, :q
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11:05<dr|z3d>Abs0luT: Like I said before, "connection rejected" means the host is *actively* rejecting your connection.
11:05<jthomas_sb>grim_ ESC :q!
11:05<EmleyMoor>Abs0luT: vnc server not running in the first place, port 5900+display...
11:05<Slurb>cool i got a little scared there
11:05<Abs0luT>what commad for opening port 5500 and 5900
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11:05<grim_>jep it's ESC :q
11:05<Abs0luT>EmleyMoor before connection i type comand in shh vnc4server
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11:06<grim_>so I thing "i" for INSERT-Mode worls
11:06<jthomas_sb>well Abs0luT do you have a firewall running? At a terminal, see if 'iptabless -nL' lists anything. PErhaps your VNC isn't running, as EmleyMoor mentioned
11:06<Abs0luT>ok il try
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11:08<Nazcafan>hey, any of you have experienced gnome panel crashes, recently?
11:08<Nazcafan>(mostly random)
11:10<Abs0luT>1 more question :) Which Os best/easy to use Cent/Diabian/OpenSUSE/Ununt
11:10<tuxcrafter>could somebody help me get my dsn setup working? or point me to the correct documentation
11:11<Slurb>Nazcafan: on Lenny, no i havent
11:11<tuxcrafter>^ that is my problem see the pastebin link
11:11<Bimbo>Hello. I would like to change my partitions? What programs or strategies you recommend me? I have a 20GB hard disk. Half of it is used by Windows. I want to try to make my windows partition smaller, but I don't know if I could do it because of enough free space.
11:11<dr|z3d>Abs0luT: Ubuntu, probably.
11:11<EmleyMoor>Debian tops the lot, as far as I'm concerned
11:11<Slurb>Bimbo: use a livecd
11:11<dr|z3d>EmleyMoor: Not for ease of use, it doesn't, Probabaly bottoms the list ;)
11:11<Abs0luT>thank you all for help cya
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11:12<EmleyMoor>Bimbo: There are CDs containing "parted" which can help with your partitions
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11:12<Slurb>Bimbo: you have to have to be able to work with it when its not mounted
11:12<dr|z3d>Bimbo: Least chance of borking your active partitions.
11:13<Bimbo>dr|z3d: What do you mean with "least chance of broking you actice partitions"?
11:14<Bimbo>Slurb: Have you anything for Windows XP?
11:14<Slurb>it should be the same
11:14<EmleyMoor>Bimbo: Advice just as valid for XP
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11:14<dr|z3d>Bimbo: Being able to access your drive without partitions mounted by the resident OS is a good way to go when performing disk resizes etc.
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11:16<dr|z3d>Bimbo: What I would recommend before you resize is to remove any residual cruft from Windows (use ccleaner), and then defragment the windows partition before attempting resize.
11:16<Slurb>Bimbo: no let me find a better how-to
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11:16<grim_>I recommend using "gparted LiveCD"
11:17<grim_>themill, thanks for your advise, it worked like charm!!
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11:17<Slurb>why dont my links work right
11:18<Bimbo>Slurb, grim_: Ok. Thanks, I will try it.
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11:19<arifd86>hi guys, does lxde have an irc channel? their website has been down for days!!
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11:20<arifd86>yoo hoo
11:20<tuxcrafter>somebody that know how to pass the local dns of the server to the dhcp server ?
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11:20<enouf>find . -maxdepth 1 ! -mtime -1 -exec rm '{}' \;
11:20<enouf>find . -maxdepth 1 ! -mtime -1 -exec rm '{}' \;
11:21<arifd86>does lxde have an irc channel? their website has been down for days!!
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11:23<bremner>#lxde on freenode
11:23<bremner>everything has a channel on freenode, it seems
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11:24<enouf>grim_: tried gpasswd? i use that
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11:25<grim_>enouf, no not yet, I will try this next time :D
11:26<bremner>what is the best current netbook (say <USD400) to run debian?
11:27<Slurb>i think an eeepc will work with debian
11:27<dr|z3d>bremner: Probably the EeePC.
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11:29<enouf>grim_: NAME
11:30<enouf> gpasswd - administer the /etc/group and /etc/gshadow files
11:30<arifd86>thanks bremner
11:30<grim_>enouf, yep I've just read the manpage :)
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11:30<enouf>grim_: now, as far as doing syntax checking, i doubt gpasswd does that
11:31<Slurb>vi has always been wierd for me anyway
11:31<Slurb>i think i had to hit cntrl a to write to the file
11:31<grim_>but it works with the tip from themill
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11:31<enouf>Slurb: Shift+zz
11:32<enouf>t read the manpage :)
11:32<enouf>11:28 < enouf> grim_: now, as far as doing syntax checking, i doubt gpasswd does that
11:32<grim_>just set EDITOR=your favorite command
11:32<enouf>11:28 < grim_> thanks
11:32<Slurb>then ad to do something wierd to get it to bring up a colon so i could quit
11:32<enouf>11:29 < Slurb> vi has always been wierd for me anyway
11:32<enouf>grim_: he said vi, not visudo
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11:32<Slurb>visudo is cool
11:32<themill>!vi tutorial
11:32<dpkg>well, vi tutorial is at: < or or
11:33<enouf>EDITOR=vi ; visudo O_o
11:33<tuxcrafter>fixed my dhcp issue
11:33<Slurb>vigr i had problems with
11:33<Slurb>always read the manpage
11:33<tuxcrafter>i was getting grazy i new thsi should work, i had my firewall configured a bit to secure :D
11:33<Slurb>thats good advice
11:33<grim_>EDITOR=vim visudo
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11:33<grim_>EDITOR=nano visudo
11:34<Slurb>i just used visudo
11:34*enouf knew that was coming
11:34<Slurb>i love nano though
11:34<olleman>a matter of preference
11:34<enouf>try it with a broken DownArrow key
11:34<Slurb>ive never used vim
11:34<olleman>you should. might be slow at first
11:34<olleman>but in time you ought to fall in love
11:35<enouf>:help whatever
11:35<Slurb>nano is simple easy and quick...provided you have a down arrow
11:35<enouf>tha's all i know -P
11:35<Slurb>ill try it sometime
11:35<enouf>oh and :wq! and :q! and Shift+zz
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11:36<enouf>:help hilight
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11:36<enouf>funny how it's not spelled highlight
11:36<enouf>it's like saying goodnite and donut
11:37<Slurb>they should put a command list somewhere
11:37<Slurb>do you know the files name
11:37<Slurb>probably an archive of sorts
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11:38<Slurb>n/m at the bottom of the man page
11:38<enouf>er, i'm incorrect? or they've updated it
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11:39<Slurb>my email address is mass.of.doughnuts
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11:39<Slurb>i like doughnuts donuts seems too homer simpson for me
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11:40<Slurb>i hate the police
11:40<enouf>they love you
11:40<enouf>and doughnuts :-P
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11:40<Slurb>bunch of righteous pricks, but i have met some good ones mind you, in my life
11:41<Slurb>i love and hate the police
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11:42<Slurb>good call
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11:58<DebiEA>Hello everyone.. Hm, what's the simpliest way to install fiefix 3.5.2 ? Is it in any repo's of should I get it form firefox's homepage ?
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11:59<DebiEA>*firefox ..
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12:01<bremner>judd: versions iceweasel
12:01<judd>bremner: iceweasel -- etch: etch-security: lenny: 3.0.6-1 sid: 3.0.12-1 squeeze: 3.0.12-1 experimental: 3.5.1-1
12:02<bremner>DebiEA, yeah, I guess you should install it from the homepage. Is there something special about 3.5.2 you need?
12:02<kop>bremner: He left, within 2 minutes of asking.
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12:03<bremner> /ignore DebiEA
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12:14<dasenjo>hello, since I upgraded to squeeze I don't have a rhytmbox systray icon ... can you help me? I really miss it : p
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12:15<Nazcafan>I am facing a strange inconsistency using the kill program
12:15<Nazcafan>calling /bin/kill and kill don't yield the same result
12:15<themill>Nazcafan: check the output of "type -a kill"
12:16<Nazcafan>[18:13:43 fou@leila:~]$type -a kill
12:16<Nazcafan>kill is a shell builtin
12:16<Nazcafan>kill is /bin/kill
12:16<Nazcafan>[18:15:25 fou@leila:~]$
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12:16<themill>dpkg: tell Nazcafan about paste
12:16<Nazcafan>sorry, one line too much I guess
12:16<Nazcafan>themill, ok, I'll use a pastebin
12:17<themill>no need... I know what the output is. I want you to look at it yourself
12:17<Nazcafan>themill, I don't remember kill being a shell builtin, before, was that changed, before?
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12:21<themill>it was a built-in in bash 2, so it's been a builtin in debian's default shell for at least the last 10 years. (It's handy to be able to kill a runaway process without requiring that a new process (/bin/kill) be started first.
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12:23<Nazcafan>themill, however, the command kill -9 process# used to work, and it doesn't seem to, anymore
12:24<themill>Nazcafan: in a script or at the command line?
12:24<Nazcafan>themill, at the command line
12:24<Nazcafan>bash: kill: 9 4766: invalid signal specification
12:24<Nazcafan>themill, after typing kill -9 4766
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12:25<Nazcafan>themill, kill  -n 4766 seems to work though
12:27<unni>how can i install swiftfox in ubuntu
12:27<unni>pls help
12:27<unni>i hate firefox
12:27<themill>unni: try #ubuntu on
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12:29<kostya>How can I update OpenGl from 1.0 to 1.4 or higher?
12:29<Nazcafan>themill, do you have a similar behaviour?
12:29<themill>not at all.
12:30<dr|z3d>kostya: Update your graphics drivers, perhaps.
12:30<Nazcafan>themill, which distro?
12:30<themill>works fine for me with both lenny and sid.
12:32<themill>Nazcafan: I get that error if I put quotes around the arguments (e.g. kill "-9 pid") -- did you accidentally paste in something that was not a space? Or have you fiddled with $IFS?
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12:34<Nazcafan>themill, I typed all the command
12:34<Nazcafan>themill, what is $IFS?
12:34<dpkg>ifs is probably the Internet Face Stab protocol, you twit.
12:34<themill>hehe... so close :(
12:35<olasd>Nazcafan: $IFS is the environment variable representing the separator between arguments in the shell
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12:35<olasd>(command arguments that is)
12:35<themill>"Input Field Separator"
12:36<dr|z3d>Sounds like something Steve Jobs puts in his koolaid ;)
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12:37<Nazcafan>[18:24:35 fou@leila:~]$echo $IFS
12:37<Nazcafan>I get nothing
12:38<Nazcafan>or something like a blank line
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12:39<patrikf>Nazcafan: echo -n $IFS | od -c
12:39<themill>echo "${IFS}" | hexdump
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12:40<themill>you need quotes around the $IFS otherwise bash will apply IFS to it and will eat the characters
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12:41<Nazcafan>themill, then I get a two-line space
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12:41<Nazcafan>themill, I have to go, I'll be back
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12:42<patrikf>themill: ah. zsh is superior there, once again ;-)
12:43*themill rolls eyes
12:44<patrikf>themill: ever used zsh?
12:44<patrikf>it's positively addicting
12:44<themill>just enough to get annoyed at the way it handled both variable expansion and globbing
12:44<patrikf>addictive, even
12:45<patrikf>well, globbing is highly configurable, variable expansion never got in my way before
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12:45<ml|>dpkg: start a shell war
12:45<dpkg>pdksh owns lsh
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12:46<shay>dpkg: start an editor war
12:46<dpkg>ae is known to cause terminal cluelessness
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12:49<dpkg>hmm... 64bit is and, or
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12:52<zeropiel>does debian install 64bit version on new intel cpu's?
12:52<azeem>zeropiel: depends on which architecture you download/install
12:54<zeropiel>i just automatically downloaded cd for i386 thinking that was the best choice for intel
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12:54<Slurb>amd64 if its 64bit
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12:54<zeropiel>the amd64 also works for intel cpu's?
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12:55<Slurb>zeropiel: yes
12:55<grim_>lol that was also confusing for me, when I set up my first 64bit system :D
12:55<Slurb>amd64 is amd and intel
12:55<zeropiel>bums me out that i have to install again
12:56<themill>zeropiel: why do you need to install again?
12:56<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
12:56<grim_>cause amd was first building 64bit cpus
12:56<grim_>I think
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12:57<zeropiel>themill: i dont need to do a full install to get amd64?
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12:57<themill>zeropiel: Is what you've got installed working OK?
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12:58<themill>So there's no need to reinstall.
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13:01<zeropiel>meaning dont fix it until its broken?
13:03<bja>zeropiel: amd64 procesors are backwards compatible with ia32
13:03<ml|>zeropiel: do you need what amd64 offers?
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13:04<zeropiel>got bigmem, so only difference is file size?
13:04<dr|z3d>"addressable space".
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13:04<ml|>file size?
13:04<dr|z3d>be it files, ram, whatever.
13:05*dr|z3d thinks zeropiel needs a quick trip to wikipedia-land to brush up on 64bit.
13:06<zeropiel>yeah, so no real performance boost other than from lazy programming
13:06<dr|z3d>Depends on your usage.
13:06<dr|z3d>Try telling a 3d post production house they don't see benefit from 64bit and you'll be severely laughed at.
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13:07<zeropiel>how many 3d games on linux will see any problems?
13:07<dr|z3d>None, likely.
13:07<dr|z3d>Think big datasets.
13:07<dr|z3d>Not many games need to address huge wedges of ram.
13:08<dr|z3d>Sure, maybe a gig or so.. certainly not >4 in the current climate.
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13:08<dr|z3d>You're not likely to see a huge boost in speed browsing the web, either, or composing an office document.
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13:09<bja>zeropiel: there is a difference between both arquitectures that have to be considered in case you do an extensive use of memmory in userspace land :)
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13:10<zeropiel>There is the little geek in me that wants to get the most out of my hardware though. Oh well...
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13:10<dr|z3d>zeropiel: Got >3GB ram installed?
13:10<zeropiel>bja: like several users on at the same time?
13:11<zeropiel>z3d: yeah, got help here earlier today to get bigmem in.
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13:11<bja>zeropiel: one process using hughe amounts of memory, that is one place where amd64 instruction set excells
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13:12<ml|>well if you have more than 3.4gb of ram maybe go with 64bit or plan on using more than that
13:12<dr|z3d>zeropiel: Well, you probably won't notice much difference at the front end, but intensive big number calculations will see improvement.. say, encoding a DVD etc.
13:12<ml|>or compiling etc...
13:13<bja>Doing 16 bit photograph editing
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13:13<ml|>the sad truth is that not alot of apps are truly 64bit
13:13<zeropiel>Mostly python here. Wont be much numerical programming either. And I can just install again later.
13:14<zeropiel>that is a sad truth
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13:14<zeropiel>thanks for the help. gotta go to work.
13:14<bja>zeropiel: stick for the moment with ia32 it'll suit you best
13:14<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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13:16<bja>Stupid question, how do i get the full list of beers dpkg has on its database, I've tasted a few and they are really good :)
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13:19<petemc>dpkg: literal CMD: beer (.*)
13:19<dpkg>i don't know, petemc
13:19<petemc>hmm, something liek that
13:20<dr|z3d>!literal beer
13:20<dpkg>"beer" is "liquid gold mate"
13:20<Slurb>!beer all
13:20*dpkg deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for all
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13:20<petemc>dpkg: literal CMD: beer (.*?)
13:20<dpkg>"cmd: beer (.*?)" is "($1): <action> (pulls out (a fine|an excellent|an exquisite|a tasty|a nicely refined)|pours a (pint|litre|quart) of|deftly decants a fine) (Guinness|Spaten Optimator|Spaten Pils|Jever|Yuengling Lager|Dogfishhead 90min IPA|Piraat|Gulden Drak|Bornem Tripple|Delirium Tremens|Franziskaner Hefeweizen) for $1"
13:20<dr|z3d>!literal liquid gold mate
13:20<ml|>yeah there is a command
13:21<dr|z3d>dpkg: you forgot duval!
13:21<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
13:21<ml|>!beer petemc
13:21*dpkg deftly decants a fine Jever for petemc
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13:21<themill>if you "/msg dpkg listkeys beer" you'll see the correct command to ask for the "literal" of
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13:23<Lanz>Hey, I'm trying to get Akonadi to work in KDE 4.3. I have a fresh install with fresh configurations. I'm running Sid and the install has only been on my computer for 3 days.
13:23<Lanz>It didn't work in KDE 4.2 with my old install either.
13:23<Lanz>Anyone know what the deal is?
13:23<Lanz>It can't connect to D-Bus, or so it says.
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13:25<Lanz>I did manage to get strigi and nepomuk to work however, if anyone's having problems with those.
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13:26<suslik>Åñòü òóò êòî
13:26<suslik>Ïîìîùü íóæíà
13:26<suslik>Ïîìîãèòå íàðîä
13:26<suslik>Óäåëèòå 10 ìèíóò
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13:58<bja>themill, dr|z3d, Slurb, ml| : Thank you all
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13:59<Killing_Frost>So, like, wtf does OFTC stand for?
14:00<dpkg>oftc is probably the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing>.
14:01<Killing_Frost>Tnx, dondelelcaro.
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14:03<Killing_Frost>Anyone using Magic Jack with asterisk? (Just wanna hear if it actually works.)
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14:27<toad>some of the selinux wiki page seems to be very old ... is it still true that reiserfs + selinux breaks?
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14:37<valdyn>why would anyone use reiserfs today?
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14:42<toad>valdyn not a particularly helpful answer :)
14:43<toad>perhaps because it works, and it's a great deal of work to change it?
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14:45<DragonM>Because btrfs isn't done?
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14:46<toad>agreed, reiser3 is far more stable than btrfs :)
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15:00<DebiEA>Is there a log for events in APT? .. Like what I've removed/installed/updated etc. ?
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15:03<azeem>DebiEA: no, but there's the dpkg.log in /var/log
15:04<DebiEA>azeem, Thank you just what I was looking for
15:05<r>what's the best fs for flash memory?
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15:06<DebiEA>r, depends on what you're going to use it for.. FAT gives the best compability for different OSes
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15:12<enouf>hiya folks a few questions a) what's the easiest way to prepare a system for a 'shutdown -r now' that i'm ssh'd into, i mean, i've used 'kill -15 PID' for selectively killing *each* unneeded process (mostly X-related, browsers started via users, etc) .. or should i expect it to always do the right thing? I don't trust it saving the open application's data ..hrm, yes, i could close the app on MY side (through my ssh'd xterm), but, IIRC, there wa
15:12<enouf>bah - that definitely got truncated
15:13<enouf>(repeat of end)" .... i could close the app on MY side (through my ssh'd xterm), but, IIRC, there was some reason i .. OH i was killing the applications that are on the Server's Desktop/XServer, ones _not_ started via my "ssh -X .." and i didn't have x11vnc then either
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15:14<enouf>So what would be the basically kill PIDs as a group, can "kill -SIG PID ... " take PID1 PID2 PID3 PID4, etc ?
15:15<enouf>and killing the PPID, i'd be afraid it would then become a Zombie or something
15:15<djw>man kill has kill [ -signal | -s signal ] pid ... at the top of the manpage
15:15<djw>so kill pid ... suggests kill PID1 PID2... will work
15:16<djw>enouf: you may want to read man pkill and man killall
15:16<enouf>Question b) why am i getting "bash: /etc/rc.local: Permission denied" when i do "sudo sh -c 'echo sudo pkill console-kit-*' >> /etc/rc.local" 2> somefile1
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15:17<enouf>that never used to happen on my regular non-ssh'd box -- is it because no $USER is logged in to the Server? there's not 1 login-... entry from ps/pstree output, and all i see is getty (1-6) .. could that be why?
15:18<enouf>djw: thanks - i use pkill regularly
15:18<enouf>djw: that doesn't help unfortuantely
15:18<djw>I prefer the solaris killall command
15:18<enouf>djw: neither does killall, but i will read those more closely, and then return
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15:19<enouf>heh, look at my example of usingpkill above ;-)
15:19<djw>possibly lag
15:19<enouf>question b)
15:20<djw>sudo is running as you, the bit in the ' ' is running as root
15:20<djw>the redirect is running as you
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15:21<enouf>is there some inherent issue using sudo thruough ssh? my username is in the sudo groupo and has been since last login, and i've used sudo many times on this boot already, just not this way yet, i had to su - to employ that command
15:21<djw>seems odd you want to kill console-kit-* at the end of booting though
15:22<enouf>i even also just added $USER directly to /etc/sudoers - same thing/error happened
15:22<Shish>ssh then sudo should be no different to log in locally then sudo (unless you have some sort of extra super-strict security like selinux)
15:22<enouf>djw: i'd like to kill it anytime then or before, doesn't matter when to me - it's placing 65 PIDs into my pstree
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15:22<enouf>nonsensical ones too - i don't even use/like that HAL bullcrap
15:22<djw>enouf: compare "sudo sh -c 'echo foo >> /root/file'" to "sudo sh -c 'echo foo' >> /root/file"
15:23<enouf>ahhh .. i KNEW i overlooked something -- thank you
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15:25<enouf>djw: bingo - thanks - i'm usually root hen i do those things, so i forgot - and i usually only bother with single quotes, and i originally pasted that because i was trying to strace it to see what was happening, and the result should've set a bell off, since no strace occured, just the command itself was in the resultant "... 2> filename"
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15:27<djw>enouf: I'd look at stopping console-kit from running if you don't need it
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15:28<enouf>djw: i have .. guess what, my keyboard and mouse stop working
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15:29<katmai>i'm using BT4 and i have problem with my audio
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15:29<Hideo>enouf: haha, on sid right?
15:29<enouf>djw: it's HAL dependent - not to mention it even loads when one boots into Single mode and uses ctrl-D which is runlevel2
15:29<enouf>Hideo: yep
15:29<katmai>i know that BT4 i Debian/Ubuntu so that's why i'm here
15:29<enouf>djw: i mean, with no X started yet or anything
15:29<Hideo>enouf: add Option "AutoAddDevices" "off" and Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off" to server layout section of xorg.conf
15:30<enouf>djw: except for what's ran within /etc/rcS.d/
15:30<Hideo>enouf: then reboot or restart X, whichever
15:30<Hideo>enouf: that's how I got away with killing hal and console-kit on sid
15:30<enouf>Hideo: ok! will try - bug report?
15:30<Hideo>enouf: there was one, lemme find it
15:31<djw>console-kit sounds gross
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15:32<Hideo>enouf: #515214
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15:34<Hideo>djw: console-kit is gross :(
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15:48<wubbbi>Hello, is that update save?
15:48<wubbbi>in sid
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15:49<djw>I'm guessing you mean "safe" rather than "save"
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15:51<patrikf>wubbbi: if you can't tell yourself don't use sid
15:52<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
15:52*djw guesses no one answered in
15:52<patrikf>no, no one asked
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16:02<thebishop>has the VIA video module been removed from a recent kernel update?
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16:07<enouf>Hideo: thanks much - am going to reboot it soon (for other reasons anyway) and note; i DID remove my added 'sudo pkill console-kit-*' line from /etc/rc.local to make sure i test it correctly - oh, and copied the "X -configure" generated ~/ over to /etc/X11/xorg.conf ;-)
16:07<enouf>!dbugs 515214
16:07<dpkg>#515214:W[xserver-xorg] X can run perfectly well (or even better) without HAL. Please make this a Recommends: at most (patch wontfix); Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:15:01 UTC []
16:07<enouf>eww .. won't fix -- hehe
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16:09<enouf>olet: "LANG=C command ...." ?
16:09<olet>enouf: eh?
16:10<olet>ah yeah that might work :)
16:10<enouf>Shish: ok, i didn't think sudo through ssh would be anymore/less different - just reaching at that point - heh
16:10<olet>with a ; too :)
16:11<enouf>olet: oh it works, just i wasn't sure if it was applicable/contextual
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16:11<olet>but i figured since the output was german he would be native german speaker :)
16:13<enouf>am i the only idiot wh can't figure out how to use the search function in
16:14<enouf>i mean google " <query>" is so much better and easier
16:14<enouf>i mean google " <query>" is so much better and easier
16:15<enouf>if i know the bug #NNNNNN no issues using it directl
16:15<enouf>just pop the number in the Find __________ fireld
16:15<enouf>field even
16:16<Hideo>enouf: did it work?
16:17<kmap>enouf: Er, I use
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16:18<kmap>Oh, I got what you meant now. Sorry
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16:20<enouf>Hideo: didn't try yet .. busy with other things atm - i WILL certainly let you know ... possibly hunt you down and ___ you ! ;-)
16:21<enouf>kmap: that works if you know the bug number; you misunderstand my issue
16:21<Hideo>I'm afraid of the ___
16:21<enouf>Hideo: you better be!
16:21*enouf waves to ml|:
16:22*ml| waves back to enouf
16:22<enouf>Hideo: joerg seems to be the hero in that bug report ;-)
16:22*bja hears Loves is in the air
16:22<enouf>Hideo: i only made it like 1/3 through so far
16:24<Hideo>enouf: haha it'll get depressing
16:25<enouf>Hideo: heh - and BAH .. i completely forgot i could generate an "equivs" instead!
16:26<enouf>Hideo: see, so Now that's engrained ;-)
16:26<enouf>Hideo: i didnt want to bother recompiling the whole of X :-p
16:26<enouf>Hideo: my solution did what was needed anyway - PLUS hal is left still running, and useful
16:27<enouf>Hideo: i'm not sure if i should suggest that as another possible option?
16:27<Hideo>enouf: what was your solution?
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16:27<enouf>Hideo: and why the extra entry of Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off" ? i don't see that yet ..
16:28<enouf>Hideo: add "sudo pkill console-kit-*" to /etc/rc.local
16:28<kmap>enouf: I understood the issue after I reread what you had said.
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16:28<enouf>kmap: sorry?
16:29<enouf>Hideo: it's only the "consolekit" pkg Depends on HAL that irks me
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16:29<enouf>nothing to do with X Server, although, i know why they are both there
16:29<enouf>nothing to do with X Server (for me)
16:29<enouf>consolekit has that Session Profiles thingy for Input Devices and shit
16:30<ml|>no consolekit here or hal :)
16:30<enouf>policy-kit and all that buillshit
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16:30<Hideo>enouf: the extrac option I saw in one of the x manpages, lemme try and dig it out
16:30<enouf>ml|: congrats - i use lshal often ;-)
16:30<enouf>ml|: that's the ONLY reason i like it - it helps with populating /sys too :-P
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16:31<Hideo>enouf: ah, man xorg.conf it's in the server flag section
16:31<enouf>lshal | grep driver | sort ; lshal | grep block_device ; lshal | grep smbios ; lshal | grep
16:32<kmap>enouf: About the BTS search. I understood your problem now.
16:32<fisk>hi all, i have made a perl script to exec a command it works fine when i run it manuelly but for some reasen it dosent run in cron....and yeah it runs as root and the perl script has chmod 777 .....any ideas .?
16:32<Hideo>enouf: the extra option is not needed I think
16:32<enouf>lshal | grep device_file | sort <-- very useful for Audio /dev/names
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16:33<enouf>Hideo: ok - me will try
16:33<enouf>kmap: i see - thanks
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16:42<termsole1>hi, how do i set up an xdcmp login screen as standard for my gdm
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16:43<termsole1>xdmcp i mean of course
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16:44<termsole1>i want my gdm to always show the xdmcp on a fixed remote host
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16:44<enouf>Hideo: from #515214 "I herewith vote for demoting hal (#515214) and console-setup (#523960) to recommends." <-- note Console-setup pkg heh .. see he's mistaken about that as i once was
16:44<enouf>Hideo: ~$ apt-cache depends hal | grep console Depends: consolekit
16:44<Hideo>enouf: apt-cache rdepends consolekit :P
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16:45<enouf>Hideo: but in init.d/ (check out rcconf or sysv-rc-conf) the way i tried to disable console-kit-daemon spawnage was to untick "console-setup" from ever running, which would cause NO mouse,. nor KEYS to work, even in Console only
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16:46<Hideo>enouf: that's what that option for the server flag is for ;)
16:46<Hideo>enouf: at least it allowed me to have mouse and keyboard again with console* killed
16:46<enouf>Hideo: then i found out it conslekit package causing the issue and was a Depends on Xorg, through the depends on HAL
16:46<termsole1>and how can i see infos about news on hal in sid in this channel?
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16:46<enouf>Hideo: i'm talking console mode only - no X ;-)
16:47<enouf>no mouse, no keys, so anything in xorg.conf wouldn't affect that
16:47<Hideo>enouf: ... hmmm I'm confused then
16:48<enouf>Hideo: hehe; "THIS IS NOT A FUCKING VOTE." ... hahaha
16:48<enouf>attaboy \o/
16:49<termsole1>are these uncommon questions?
16:49<Hideo>enouf: I do not have that issue, even without console-kit, I guess I misunderstood your problem?
16:50<ml|>i have no use for consolekit, policykit, hal :)
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16:52<enouf>Hideo: see, there IS some benefit - allowing more of X to be "in the kernel" rather than utilizing and maintaining seaparate Xorg drivers for this, benefits us all - Kernel devs know their shit in most cases, and it's the only way we'll ever get any closer (to using the FOSS drivers with great 3D acceleration va allowing X to talk to hardware directly) ...through HAL perhaps even, for self-configuring X stuff - if GNU/Linux sticks with the X Wi
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16:53<enouf>Hideo: i canNOT have consolekit .. without uninstalling HAL, which then PULLS OUT ALL of X !...
16:53<enouf>Hideo: but as noted; the
16:53<enouf>Hideo: but as noted; that's been changed now - thanks
16:53<Hideo>enouf: do what I do, disable hal, but keep it there since X requires it
16:53<Hideo>enouf: then everything would work fine, as before
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16:54<enouf>however, i wonder why it STILL occurs on my NEW fresh Squeeze then a dist-upgrade to SID! installation.. Oh i know why!!!
16:54<Hideo>no need for some background daemons running 24/7 doing nothing important
16:55<enouf>i had NOT yet done the "/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-recommends:APT::Install-Recommends "false";" when i initially installed Xorg @!
16:55<enouf>so i got suckered via Recommends!@ .. but on my Older working sid install, i cannot afford to entirely dist-upgarde at this point in time
16:55<Hideo>well there's your problem, first files to be edit are always /etc/apt/*
16:56<enouf>so, a workaround is needed - Mine, or Yours, or even an "equivs" pkg hack
16:56<enouf>Hideo: nah .bashrc aliases and tab-completion ;-)
16:57<enouf>then yes, that's a very close 2nd indeed
16:58<Hideo>yeah, and then screen, vim, localepurge
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16:58<enouf>erm, on this older isnstall that has over 700 pkgs avail, it wouldn't be a dist-upgrade, just an upgrade - i had to install squeeze on other box due to direct install of sid has dependency issues when using debootstrap
16:58<enouf>Hideo: localepurge ftw
16:59<southernc>it was more trouble then its worth
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16:59<dr|z3d>bleachbit ftw!
16:59<southernc>bleachbitroot ftw
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17:00<Hideo>enouf: so now you're gonna have to kill your beloved hal?
17:00<southernc>localepurge runs automatically after a apt install so localepurge wins
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17:00<enouf>Hideo: i don't think so
17:00<Zathras_>hi. I have some Cyrus/Postfix/SASL/PAM issues. Can someone please help? for instance: fatal: SASL per-process initialization failed & warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
17:00<enouf>we'll see
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17:01<Zathras_>causing postfix restarts and no successful telnet to port 35
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17:01<southernc>thats cause its port 25
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17:02<southernc>port 35 is udp for printer (:0P
17:03<Zathras_>I can connect to port 25 bu because(?) postfix respawns I do not get a "220 ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU)
17:03<Zathras_>" or similar
17:03<enouf>Hideo: X no longer Depends on HAL, it's been demoted to Recommends now ... didn't you read the BUG report?
17:03<enouf>Hideo: why keep it there, if you're not running it?
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17:04<southernc>Zathras thats cause postfix isnt even runninmg as you just showed us
17:04<southernc>initialization failed & warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
17:04<Hideo>enouf: are you kidding, apt-cache rdepends hal still show xserver-xorg in there
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17:04<Hideo>enouf: oh how I wish it was true that X would not depend on hal
17:04<enouf>see, for me, it's the secondary depends, Consolekit is a HAL depends, not a Xorg one
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17:05<Zathras_>well, it kind of is. Also saslfinger, imtest & "/usr/bin/cyradm --user cyrus --server localhost --auth login" do not give results as expected
17:05<enouf>Hideo: then you haven't upgraded? .. or haven't finished reading through the bug report
17:05<enouf>erm or *I* haven't finished reading through the bug report
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17:06<Hideo>enouf: I try to keep it up to date, and yeah, removing hal would also remove X
17:06<southernc>Zathras what is it your trying to do with postfix ?
17:06<enouf>Hideo: ~$ apt-cache depends xorg | grep hal == nothing
17:06<Hideo>enouf: xserver-xorg
17:06<Zathras_>basically this:
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17:06<Zathras_>got it running on Etch fine before
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17:06<Zathras_>installed it several times
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17:07<Zathras_>this is a fresh install on Lenny
17:07<southernc>clamav is a waste of resources if you ask me
17:07<enouf>Hideo: but on OLDER ~$ apt-cache depends xserver-xorg-core | grep hal Depends: libhal1
17:07<enouf>wait AND even on NEWER ... shit shit shit
17:07<southernc>when you can just add zenhaus
17:07<Hideo>enouf: true, but not on sid :(
17:07<enouf>son of a bitch
17:08<enouf>Hideo: if not on sid - then where? experimental?
17:08<Zathras_>I am not interested in clamav, currently the pam/sasl issue seems to be the biggest issue
17:08<Hideo>enouf: I meant, it depends on hal in sid
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17:08<Zathras_>I just need the pam/sasl/mysql/postfix/cyrus part. The rest is optional
17:09<southernc>Zathras instead of me trying to explain all of this it would be alot easier if yopu just followed a very easy guide on howtoforge
17:09<craigevil>enouf: xserver-xorg > Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:, xserver-xorg-input-evdev, xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-5, xserver-xorg-input-all | xserver-xorg-input-4, hal (>= 0.5.12~git20090406), in sid
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17:10<southernc>that explains how to setup squirellmail, sasl , mysql etc if it doesnt the rest ill guide you through
17:10<Hideo>enouf: so yeah, you have 3 choices, enable hal and tolerate consolekit, kill console kit and disable hal, or maybe make some hackish equivs
17:10<Zathras_>southernc, I know that howto, too invasive for my current setup, provides things I do no need
17:10<southernc>you dont have to follow the whole guide
17:11<southernc>just the parts that pertain to what your doing
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17:11*enouf gives gravity a hug
17:11<Hideo>or that option, give the computer a taste of concrete
17:12<Zathras_>southernc, the howto I pointed to is upgraded. Only text is now in spanish and still is for Etch. I think that is the main problem
17:12<enouf>craigevil: i see that now, how silly of me to think i had to use xorg, instead of xserver-xorg, or xserver-xorg-core
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17:12<Zathras_>early on in the howto there is a basic test for login to cyradm and that does not work
17:12<enouf>Hideo: bingo
17:12<craigevil>Hideo: is consolekit that buggy? other than it has a million and one processes in top/htop it hasnt caused any issues here
17:13<Zathras_>must be something trivial in a config file I overlooked a zillion times
17:13<Hideo>craigevil: I never bothered to use it, I don't see a need for it, as they say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
17:14<termsole1>is there a channel for the hal package?
17:14<southernc>pfft you cant learn anything if you dont break anything
17:14<southernc>Zathras i dont understand that page as this is english only channel
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17:15<Zathras_>I do not speak spannish either, but comparing it to the old version in english it makes sense
17:15<Hideo>southernc: but if the cure is worse than the medicine (in terms of resource usage, and no real utility seen here) then something is wrong here
17:15<locklace>termsole1: #ubuntu
17:15<Hideo>southernc: talking about consolekit ofcourse
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17:15<Zathras_>some minor changes and an other sequence of event and a different laypu of the page. That's all
17:16<southernc>yea but still kind of fun wasting a whole day to screw with something stupid :)
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17:16<termsole1>thanks locklace
17:16<southernc>Zathras some of the commands seem irrelevant to a lenny install but i cant read what there talking about
17:16<Hideo>errr.. s/medicine/disease/ me slaps forehead
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17:18<Zathras_>southernc, basically you have to do 3 things: fix the bug in mysql_pam by recompiling, config pam and config cyrus imap. Not that hard. Yet I come across an error and stuff like this is hard to debug :-(
17:19<southernc>why do you need mysql ?
17:19<Zathras_>"cyradm --user cyrus --auth login --server localhost" is the one that is bugging me
17:19<enouf>can someone tell me which tool this postee used to generate the lists shown?
17:19<Zathras_>I want to migrate mailboxes of various domains without changing domains
17:19<enouf>it isn't apt-rdends is it? and certianly isn't apt-cache {r}depends either
17:19<Zathras_>on the localmachine that is
17:20<enouf> it isn't apt-rdepends ...
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17:20<southernc><Zathras_> "cyradm --user cyrus --auth login --server localhost" is the one that is bugging me << whats the output when you run that
17:20<locklace>Hideo: i would love to remove "consolekit" since i have no fucking idea what it does. but hal depends on it and if i kill hal then my mouse stops working
17:21<Hideo>locklace: from what enouf and I found, we don't know how to remove consolekit, we can only disable it and hal
17:21<enouf>looks maybe like aptitude's output with the D ?
17:21<southernc>Zathras_, .........
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17:22<Zathras_>southernc, nothing in /var/log/auth/log which I find a strange thing, but in /var/log/mail/log: badlogin: localhost [] plaintext cyrus SASL(-1): generic failur
17:22<Zathras_>e: checkpass failed
17:22<Hideo>locklace: then, if your mouse and kb stops working, add Option "AutoAddDevices" "off" into the server section in your xorg.conf
17:22<enouf>locklace: just add "sudo pkill console-kit-*" to your /etc/rc.local (is my workaround)
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17:22<Hideo>or that ^
17:22<enouf>locklace: add yourself to sudo group if it exists, or set your $USER up in /etc/sudoers
17:22<southernc>run this command hostname -f
17:22<southernc>whatever the ouput of that replace localhost
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17:23<southernc>so if hostname -f reveals do cyradm --user cyrus --auth login --server
17:23<Zathras_>that gives: cyradm: cannot connect to server
17:23<enouf>locklace: 'groups' output will show you if in which groups, and cat /etc/sudoers will show you if 'sudo' is in your system as a group - as well as getent groups | grep sudo
17:23<locklace>Hideo: ok, not familiar with "autoadddevices". actually the only problem i had was some aspects of the touchpad like tap-to-click stopped working. wonder if "autoadddevices" is enough to fix that
17:23<enouf>er getent group | grep sudo
17:24<locklace>enouf: don't talk to me about sudo. i'd never use anything that ghetto
17:24<enouf>locklace: wonderful - then run it as root
17:24<southernc>then you missconfigured it
17:24<southernc>your domain should resolve to your server
17:25<Hideo>locklace: I don't know much about touchpad and its interaction with hal, sry I have the nipple thingie on my stinkpad :(
17:25<Zathras_>southernc, I run a local domain called zb as toplevel. A bit dirty, I know. machine is called nexus.zb and mailserver on samemachine mail.zb
17:25<enouf>chown user:user /etc/rc/local .. bwahahahaha
17:25<enouf>wrong filename
17:25<southernc>so if its not finding it then obviously either you have a firewall thats missconfigured/router or /etc/hosts isnt comnfigured correctly
17:25<ml|>Hideo: nipple ftw :)
17:25<locklace>Hideo: ok, well thanks for the xorg.conf tip, maybe that will be enough to let me finally bury consolekit and hal. i've wanted to do it from day one
17:26<enouf>locklace: sudo is the proper way to allow users root privs BUT with very great restrictions as to WHAT they can run and where/when
17:26<Zathras_>southernc, no firewall, and ping resolves the names fine
17:26<enouf>locklace: see the bug report above
17:27<locklace>enouf: dude, i was there when sudo was invented. you don't need to explain it to me. really.
17:27<enouf>Hideo: i thought that was a clit? not a nipple :-p
17:27<enouf>locklace: wonderful
17:27<Hideo>locklace: yep, you, me and quite a few others here also dislike hal so much :P
17:27<Hideo>enouf: hehe either one is fine
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17:28<southernc>it would be nice if hal was setup correctly to actually use mouse/keyboard instead of having to configure it manually
17:28<enouf>locklace: then you'll have no problems generating your own equivs, or recompiling the xserver-xorg. just to alter the Depends aspects of xorg ... and then put that custo sucker on Hold
17:28<locklace>i wonder if there's an anti-hal web site somewhere with status and procedures for disentangling all this ubuntu/freedesktop cruft from unix systems
17:28<enouf>Hideo: both are better :-)
17:29<southernc>Zathras_, then i dont know what else to tell you perhaps you never made the hash db for cyrus ?
17:29<southernc>not cyrus
17:29<enouf>locklace: if you generate a web1 site devoted to that, i'd visit and tell people about it
17:30<locklace>southernc: if you ever end up in a situation where you have to configure hal manually, the only sane way out is to take your own life
17:30<southernc>been there :)
17:30<enouf>however - read david nusinow's info in that bug report - it's here to stay
17:30<southernc>first i had to do it on freebsd which was a complete bitch as i never had any experience with hal not to mention freebsd isnt very user friendly
17:30<Hideo>locklace: or introduce the computer to its new friend, your fists
17:30<southernc>then sidux which wasnt as bad
17:31<enouf>it's (Xserver stuff) is getting pushed into the kernel (which is good)
17:31<enouf>and relies on HAL
17:31<enouf>for autoconfiguring and hotplugging
17:31<Zathras_>southernc, I installed the package, like in numerous howto's. When not using flatfile regualr config I do not have to run cyradm and create users as usual afaik
17:32<enouf>Hideo: i haven't had to kick a computer's ass in a long time ;-)
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17:32<Hideo>enouf: I agree it maybe here to stay, but as long as the users still have on option of disabling it, then I'm fine
17:32<enouf>usually when it's misbahving that badly, i just introduce it to the Sledge :-)
17:32<enouf>and grinder and sawzall :-p
17:32<southernc>not likely as xorg now is free from hotplugging etc
17:32<Zathras_>by not showing up in /var/log/auth.log I can presume that PAM is not configured well either?
17:32<enouf>Hideo: sure ... indeed
17:33<southernc>Zathras if i were you i would use sasl , mysql , squirellmail follow the ONE GUIDE completely for postfix only and start fresh
17:33<southernc>cause i dont havwe a clue what youve done
17:34<Zathras_>k. ty
17:34<southernc>cause whartever youve done or not done is making it much more complicated then it actually is
17:35<Zathras_>afaik I followed paragraphs 1-8 from the spanish howto
17:36<Zathras_>but as cyradm does not do the trick and nothing in /var/log/auth I must have missed something
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17:37<Hideo>enouf: not hackish workarounds like yours :P
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17:37<enouf>so .. no replies folks? < enouf> can someone tell me which tool this postee used to generate the lists shown?
17:37<enouf>i'm thinking aptitude- but i don;t use aptitude
17:37<enouf>so i wouldn't know
17:37<DebiEA>how do I set Pulseaudio as driver instead of alsa. I have installed pulseaudio from apt... what's next ?
17:37<locklace>eh, that bug is tagged wontfix
17:37<enouf>might make me a user, if that's the case (command line only - no nonsensical ncurses crap even)
17:37<enouf>locklace: as of now, read the whole thing
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17:37<enouf>it's going to change - IINM
17:37<enouf>maybe not
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17:40<enouf>so dead on;
17:40<enouf>"So why are we forcing people to use stuff that is un-needed? Doing this would be no different to forcing people to install Java and Flash when Iceweasel is installed because "hey everyone wants to use YouTube". :-/"
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17:42<Hideo>enouf: I couldn't find a tool that does that nice list
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17:43<enouf>Hideo: thanks for trying
17:43<achury>I agree with no forcing people to use a lot of things.
17:43<achury>Why the base system has so many web browsers?
17:44<achury>and don't include ppp dialup??
17:44<Slurb>can you still get dialup?
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17:47<achury>no, I'm using WinXP :-P I have downloaded pppconfig and wvdial with windows machine and will try later boot debian again
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17:49<achury>If debian includes on the base system the gnome desktop, and gnome includes a web browser, why include mozilla and dont include a text based browser as lynx or links?
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17:49<southernc>most people arent gonna use a text browser
17:50<southernc>and most people are opinionated about which to use
17:50<southernc>elinks links lynx
17:50<achury>But if the base CD 1 has limited space why include 2 graphic web browsers?
17:50<Arrowmaster>i thought w3m was included by default?
17:51<achury>I don't remember now, if included is not on menu
17:51<dpkg>somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at
17:53<dpkg>[links2] a text and graphics browser with support for HTTPS and JavaScript, packaged for Debian. For using in console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user when running in console in GUI mode). Ask me about <links2 settings>. Does not honor the <http_proxy> / <ftp_proxy> environment variables (Debian bugs #55425, #93359).
17:53<southernc>i like how even if you choose not to install it it still says installing popularity contest when installing debian
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17:54<enouf>!factinfo links2
17:54<dpkg>links2 -- created by tarzeau <> at Tue Apr 11 05:52:48 2006 (1212 days); last modified at Sun May 17 14:37:43 2009 by gsimmons!; it has been requested 62 times, last by enouf, 1m 43s ago.
17:55<achury>yes, exist zillions of debian packages, by sure I'll find a great web browser, that I argue here is that the package selection on CD1 has not sense. On limited CD space (just 700Mb) has not sense to include 2 graphic web browsers.
17:55<Crusnik01>Hi! I have a command called "phpunit", and I want to find out where it's _actually_ pointing (/usr/bin/phpunit , or /sbin/phpunit.. etc, etc). What command / utility can I use to find out where the actually binary file is located?
17:55<enouf>er .. i created that factoid ;-) but i also have edited others, goofed it up and regenerated anew, ergo; it *appears* like i created some that i did _noy_
17:55<enouf>er _not_
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17:56<southernc>achury its because half the people like one browser half the other
17:56<enouf>wait 1212 days? erm ...
17:56<southernc>so it made more sense to include bolth then to leave one out
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17:56<southernc>or atleast i imagine thats the thimnking behind it
17:56<ml|>Crusnik01: whereis
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17:57<enouf>maybe it did exist, and i added the 1st few lines ... from almost beginning to the Ask me about <links2 settings>
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17:57<enouf>!factinfo links2 settings
17:57<dpkg>links2 settings -- created by enouf <> at Fri Aug 8 08:02:56 2008 (362 days); it has been requested 27 times, last by enouf_ at Mon Jul 6 14:52:13 2009.
17:57<Crusnik01>ml|: Thanks ;)
17:58<enouf>Crusnik01: also 'which <binaryname>'
17:58<Crusnik01>enouf: Cool, thanks!
17:59<enouf>Crusnik01: then ls -l it, it might be a symlink, possibly even controlled via update-alternatives; ergo "readlink -f `which rename`"
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17:59<termsole1>i need help with my hal in sid, it freezes while installation
17:59<enouf>Crusnik01: readlink is really cool ;-)
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18:00<ml|>ls -la :)
18:00<bremner>termsole1: since you run sid, you already checked the BTS, right?
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18:01<termsole1>bremner no, whats this?
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18:01<ml|>dpkg: tell termsole1 about bts
18:01<xiaomo>i'm looking for a chat soft
18:02<bremner>xiaomo: gui or console?
18:02<locklace>!btssmite termsole1
18:02*dpkg beats termsole1 around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if termsole1 is running testing or unstable
18:02<termsole1>ah ok, yes, the link my bug is here:
18:02<enouf>Crusnik01: case in point; do "which rename" then see pastebin
18:02<bremner>ok then. glad we could help
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18:02<southernc>theres irssi , xchat , bitchx , scrollz , the list goes on and on take your pic
18:02<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373.
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18:03<ml|>termsole1: Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
18:03<enouf>~$ whereis rename
18:03<enouf>rename: /usr/bin/rename /usr/bin/rename.ul /usr/share/man/man1/rename.1.gz /usr/share/man/man2/rename.2.gz
18:03<enouf>doesn't show prename at all
18:03<enouf>erm, .ul ? wtf is that? heh
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18:04<termsole1>ml| good to know :)
18:04<enouf>~$ dlc /usr/bin/rename.ul
18:04<enouf>util-linux: /usr/bin/rename.u
18:04<enouf>dlc == dlocate
18:05<enouf>er util-linux: /usr/bin/rename.ul <--correction
18:05<ml|>apt-listbugs apt-listchanges should be mandatory ;)
18:06<themill>So should "clue", but we can't have everything.
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18:12<AxxxA>i need help to command line convert my music collection to .mp3
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18:14<bja>AxxxA: from what source format?
18:15<AxxxA>various formats
18:15<AxxxA>but i have to go now
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18:15<AxxxA>so i'll explain another time
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18:15<enouf>son of a b**** .. how can i tell which Iceweasel instance i'm viewing .. (i had two separate instances open, i closed one, .. but the other i want to keep - and 1 was started via xterm 'iceweasel &' from an xterm from a ssh - and the other was launched locally through openbox menu) ..oh fuck it, i'll Save session or something
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18:16<enouf>and i want to restart the box that i'm ssh'd into ... ugh
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18:16<valdyn>enouf: its just one task though
18:16<Arrowmaster>last time i let the installer choose the size for seperate / /usr /var /tmp they were way too small and i filled /usr up in less than a day, can anybody recommend partition sizes for an amd64(so might end up installing some 32bit libs) desktop
18:16<valdyn>enouf: unless you manipulated something with full intention
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18:16<enouf>valdyn: within my ssh'd xterm i still see
18:16<enouf>:~$ jobs
18:16<enouf>[1]+ Running iceweasel &
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18:17<kop>Arrowmaster: Use lvm. That way you can resize later.
18:17<enouf>AND also within my local client, pstree ALSO shows me the firefox-bin openbox launches running
18:17<valdyn>enouf: so the task is started from the xterm
18:17<valdyn>enouf: and only killing it from or kill the xterm would quit it
18:17<valdyn>enouf: 2 bins?
18:17<valdyn>enouf: weird
18:17<enouf>valdyn: nm -- there's a popunder dialog from when i closed it - and it's asking me for something - i missed that - sao BOTH are still running
18:18<kop>enouf: lsof on the binary?
18:18<locklace>enouf: fg the xterm instance and suspend it with ^Z. then check which of your browsers is frozen
18:18<enouf>thanks guys
18:18<Arrowmaster>kop: i am but i want some sensible sizes to start out with so im not forced to resize later, would rather keep the partitions continious on disk
18:18<enouf>nevermind /.. i'll find out soon ;-)
18:18<valdyn>it should really be only one browser - so both should freeze
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18:18<enouf>i closed the correct one; thanks fellas
18:19<enouf>~$ jobs
18:19<enouf>[1]+ Done iceweasel
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18:20<themill>A decent windows manager would put the hostname in the title bar or similar so you knew
18:20<kop>Arrowmaster: Dunno. At least 6G for /usr and 3 for /var??
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18:21<valdyn>Arrowmaster: i think we dont know the partition layout you want
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18:21<Arrowmaster>im just going to go with 10gb for / /usr and /var
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18:22<valdyn>Arrowmaster: 10 each?
18:22<Arrowmaster>yeah ive got a 500gb drive
18:22<valdyn>Arrowmaster: thats nonsense though
18:22<valdyn>Arrowmaster: you might aswell keep / on the same partition as /usr
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18:22<valdyn>Arrowmaster: / is not big in that layout
18:23<valdyn>Arrowmaster: while 10G for /usr can be to low
18:23<valdyn>Arrowmaster: so if you made it 20 for / + /usr marged into one, thats better
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18:23<enouf>valdyn: FWIW, notice at first the (atleast 4) firefox-bins and then the lack thereof (Once i realized there was a PopUnder window awaiting a reply before it would fully close out the browser) - my bad for brining up the issue, but i still wouldn't be able tell which was launched from where (i just happend to know due to sites i was viewing)
18:23<kop>Arrowmaster: The other question is "why separate partitions?"
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18:24<kop>Arrowmaster: The reason I've found is for security (mounting / readonly) and reliability (should /var fill the system keeps running.) But separate partitons can be annoying.
18:24<kop>Arrowmaster: (oops that'd be /usr readonly)
18:25<enouf>i suppose one instance for each Open Tab?
18:25<enouf>no wait
18:25<locklace>enouf: there are lots of ways. i gave you one
18:25<enouf>there were none open in the one i closed (see pastebin)
18:25<valdyn>enouf: theres just one task for all your firefox windows normally
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18:25<enouf>valdyn: that has nothing to do with my query
18:28<enouf>i have two xterms open, in xterm1, i ran ssh -X ... then 'iceweasel +' .. in xterm2 i'm viewing my system locally, and xterms ps auxf show firefox-bin(s), and i had 2 _separate_ instances open .. which one is the one i want to keep open? the one i started via ssh -X? or the one i launched locally through the openbox menu?
18:28<valdyn>enouf: this is threads
18:28<enouf>that is correct - and all good ...
18:28<enouf>off the mark as far as my query though
18:28<enouf>i appreciate your attempts thanks
18:29<valdyn>enouf: i dont get your query obviously
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18:29<enouf>it's all good - i too have that issue with some things ... many times too it seems ;-)
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18:30<enouf>valdyn: let me try this, is there a way, through the IW GUI to know it's PID?? or where/how it was launched??
18:30<ml|>enouf: maybe by time?
18:30<enouf>ml|: point ... hrm ..
18:30<valdyn>enouf: theres an x tool for this
18:30<enouf>ahh .. oh .. winxx
18:31<enouf>valdyn: fuck, your're right! .. wmctl ?
18:31<valdyn>enouf: no
18:31<enouf>oh, Xwinfinfo?
18:31*locklace gives up on enouf
18:31<enouf>er xwininfo?
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18:31<Guest623>I have Debian 3.1 (obsolete stable release) which I installed from a double-sided Debian DVD. Now I need to install Adobe Flash Player 10. What should I put in apt.sources in order to upgrade my Debian version so I can then install the Flash Player .deb?
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18:32<themill>Guest623: you'll need to upgrade to etch and then to lenny in order to run flash 10. /msg dpkg sarge->etch ; /msg dpkg etch->lenny
18:32<loudergood>good luck
18:35<enouf>ml|: valdyn i suppose i could run "xwininfo -all" then click desired window, then view Width: 1151 Height: 879
18:35<enouf>or use xkill and query it?
18:35<ml|>enouf: why not try what locklace suggested
18:36<enouf>ml|: i thought that was valdyn saying "enouf: there are lots of ways. i gave you one" !!!
18:36<ml|>enouf: clean your glasses ;)
18:37<enouf>ml|: it's this stupid yellow highlighting in irssi!
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18:37<ml|>enouf: turn it off
18:37*enouf alters it to Red
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18:38<enouf>no i NEED to atleast see when I'm being replied to - it's bad enough that i cannot highlight ALL nicknames only with random colors, 7 different colors, the 8th being reserved for MY nick only
18:39<southernc>use scrollz :)
18:39<enouf>i've tried and others - they lock up the sessions
18:39<themill>be with the reading plz. kthxbye
18:39<ml|> works fine here
18:40<enouf>ml|: i know, for many it works for, and many not - and not me
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18:41<ml|>ok, first time i hear of this
18:43<Slurb>enouf: pandemonium is a good very readable theme for irssi
18:43<enouf>18:41 -!- Irssi: Reloaded configuration
18:43<enouf>Slurb: ping me again pls
18:44<ml|>enouf: ;P
18:44<enouf>wait ..
18:44<ml|>enouf: ;P
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18:45<enouf>ml|: once more, and thats it
18:46<themill>enouf: /join #debian-bots ; dpkg, say hello enouf
18:47<esticsman>hi all. I have a lenny machine with scsi and raid. at boot time, it tries to build the raid arrays, but the scsi disks have not been detected yet, so it fails. how can I delay the raid array creation for some time or to after the disks have been detected?
18:47<enouf>themill: got the point - taken care of, thanks
18:47<esticsman>sorry I couldn't answer questions before, I couldn't connect back to the irc box
18:48<esticsman>but yes, the root partition is in the raid; the disks are detected fine, but slightly too late
18:48<bzed>esticsman: use the rootdelay boot option
18:48<bzed>esticsman: rootdelay=60 for example
18:49<esticsman>bzed: the problem is not that it cannot mount root per se, it's that mdadm runs before the disks have been detected
18:50<esticsman>the rootdelay option is to have a sleep before mounting, not before asembling the raid arrays
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18:53<RedMaw>hey, anyone know if it is possible to recover data off a drive that has been formatted from ext3 to ntfs?
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18:56<bzed>esticsman: I'd jsut give it a try, I guess it will just work fine
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18:56<dondelelcaro>RedMaw: it's certainly possible, but it's not something that would be trivial
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18:57<RedMaw>what kind of difficulty am I looking at?
18:57<RedMaw>it'll probably take more then 20 hours to replace what was lost, but 90% of the stuff is irreplaceable
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18:58<dondelelcaro>well, for starters, make an image of the drive.
18:58<dondelelcaro>but basically, you're goint to have to use things like e2debugfs to try to dump whatever is left of the ext2 filesystem, and then pull data out from it
19:00<RedMaw>probably not going to get much of anything out of it then, thanks for the help
19:00<dondelelcaro>this would be a good time to underline the need for regular, good backups
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19:01<RedMaw>normally I have them, but I didn't have an extra ext3 hdd just yet. This is what I get for putting it off.
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19:22<ameros>does anybody use oidentd?
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19:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:24<interbird>Didn he do that ?
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19:25<ameros>thanks dpkg
19:25<ameros>you rock!
19:26<interbird>so does my toaster
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19:27<ml|>interbird: maybe read what dpkg said
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19:28<interbird>ml|: What ? about the ask-stuff or more up?
19:29<interbird>Well, did not ameros just ask? and then you alert dpkg to say he just needs to ask?
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19:30<ml|>"Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it,'
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19:31<interbird>Well, dpkg is a toaster and ameros is a human being; i vote for answering instead of alerting a bot
19:31<ml|>why when dpkg has it covered just read it, how hard is that?
19:31<interbird>some people should have their ! key stolen...
19:31<themill>interbird: "does anyone use" questions are almost always useless. It's better to have a real question to answer.
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19:32<ml|>interbird: in your opinion, but this a channel
19:32<interbird>themill: ¨useless¨ is a relative concept; to a degree i agree
19:32<DragonM>Besides, it's Linux. If tech support doesn't feel like being chopped up into sushi, you're not trying hard enough.
19:33<themill>interbird: he doesn't really want 377 replies, most of which are "no".
19:33<DragonM>Yes I've used oidentd. I don't even know if I currently do.
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19:34<interbird>is it some kind of deoderant ?
19:34<DragonM>ANd since I only periodically pay any attention to this window, and didn't see an actual question, I may not have an answer to an actual question, should one be asked, because I won't be reading.
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19:35<interbird>interesting contradiction in that long scentence
19:35<DragonM>'cause, you know, I have a job, and in this planetary economy, it's a good idea to work at it.
19:35<interbird>planetary what ?
19:35<interbird>not cosmic ?
19:35<DragonM>You know. Thing. Bits being flipped in things called accounts. The grand game.
19:36<bja>i believe the purpose of the bot is economy of time, if someone comes in here with a vague question, its better to tell him/her how to avoid loosing everyones time to figure things out
19:36<interbird>you think people walking over bodies for these flippies you mention is a game?
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19:37<DragonM>I didn't say it was a nice game.
19:37<interbird>no, you said is was Grand
19:37<ml|>this belongs in #debian-offtopic ?
19:37<DragonM>Yes. Synonym for large.
19:38<interbird>ml| are you also a bot ?
19:38<DragonM>Meanwhile there's still been no question from ameros.
19:38<ml|>yes and
19:39<bja>interbird: -->#debian-offtopic please
19:39<themill>there's still been no useful question
19:39<DragonM>My oidentd is still running, though it looks like the configuration is now broken.
19:40<interbird>my x server keeps crashing when i go ctrl-alt-f2; squeeze;i know it´s a prob with the driver; is there any solution anyone know of ?
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19:41<interbird>(intel 855/915 laptop; worked ok on etch)
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19:42<DragonM>Dunno. I started using etch 4 days ago. squeeze remains a distant mystery.
19:42<ml|>interbird: have you checked bts, for a possible workaround till it's fixed
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19:45<interbird>ml|: yeah, as you might know the intel driver changed and the new one has worse performance; as you can read on lotś of newsgroups. but that does not bother me; it´s the inability to safely go to text-mode or start a (nested) login. But let me not bother you with stuff that is fixed in Sid. Iḿ thinking of going sid to elevate this major annoyance.
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19:49<ml|>oh, don't have an intel stuff here and if that is the only solution that sucks, maybe just upgrade the driver if it is possible which i doubt, but better than moving to sid i would think
19:51<magyar>will 2.6.30 make it into testing?
19:51<interbird>nah, tried to selectively install the sid driver but it pulls in lots of other stuff that breaks more stuff. not a solution. i think iḿ more willing to put up with sid´s unstableness than not being able to go text or have additional logins with the fear of this complete system freezes it causes
19:53<interbird>well, i guess 2.6.30 must be tested, so i think yes. or did you mean tomorrow ? :-)
19:54<ml|>i would think .30 will make in eventually
19:55<interbird>i think 2.8 will too some day
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19:56<interbird>if .30 is in sid and sid flows to testing then how would it not arrive in testing?
19:56<magyar>ml|: i can seem to find anything in release migration, the only thing i see is "trying to update linux-2.6 from 2.6.26-17 to 2.6.30-5 (candidate is 0 days old) "
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19:57<interbird>30-5 ?
19:57<magyar>so from that I'm assuming the fifth version was pushed in today
19:57<interbird>is that the experimental branch ?
19:57<ml|>yes a new version was in today
19:57<ml|>no sid
19:57<interbird>sid is 30-1
19:57<magyar>i belive its squeeze
19:57<ml|>judd: kernel
19:57<judd>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc5-686 (2.6.31~rc5-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14082); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-5); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-3~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch2); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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19:58<ml|>magyar: you can always install sid version if you like, but must do a few things to prevent disaster
19:59<magyar>nahh, i just came of sid, had a wild ride
19:59<SuperMiguel>i have 4 HD, 1 80gb and 3 500gb. I trying to install debian on a raid 0 array. I created the / on the 80gb. Then on the installer i created one partition on each of the 500gb and i changed the use as: to physical volume for RAID. then i went to Configure software RAID, and created an MD and and picked all 3 of the drives. Then it created a RAID 0 Device #0 1.5TB, how can i create partitions under this?
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20:00<magyar>i'm in no rush, just wondering why is the delay
20:01<interbird>debian is never delayed;itś ready when it´s ready ... however, this seems to get changed in the near or far future
20:01<interbird>like scheduled releases
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20:02<ml|>yeah interbird said it's ready when it's ready, look at iceweasel heh
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20:03<magyar>wow, i just looked at the dependencie issues and there is good 20 or so listed
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20:03<ml|>magyar: for?
20:03<magyar>so i guess it'll be "ready" in a while
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20:04<ml|>are you in testing?
20:04<SuperMiguel>when setting up a raid 0 in debian during the installer, if i want to make a 5 gb partition for /usr, i have to create that partition under each drive, then set it to physical raid, then go to the configure raid and create it that way, then repeat the rpocess for my 500 MB /tmp folder?
20:04<ml|>i use .30 here no issues thus far
20:05<interbird>5G for /user? where do you install the rest of the system ?
20:05<SuperMiguel>interbird, what u mean
20:06<interbird>well, most programs are installed in /usr; so if you install more programs over time, 5G is not a lot...
20:06<ml|>and don't remember pulling in ~20 dependencies
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20:08<SuperMiguel>i usually do 1GB /, 5gb /usr, 5gb /var, 5gb swap, 15gb /tmp, and the rest /home
20:09<interbird>how much ram is in your machine ?
20:09<magyar>ml|: >>
20:09<magyar>the link inside
20:09<interbird>15G /tmp
20:09<SuperMiguel>interbird, 2gb
20:09<interbird>where did you get this figures you "susally" use ?
20:09<magyar>ml|: yeah, am on testing now
20:10<magyar>ml|: the pita is with 2.6.26 and new hardware.......... works like shiat
20:10<SuperMiguel>interbird, no where... but i have 1.5TB so i can increase them
20:10<SuperMiguel>interbird, im open to recommendations :)
20:11<interbird>well, with your 1.5TB you make very strange space-alloocations...
20:11<SuperMiguel>interbird, i may upgrade to 8gb of ram next week..
20:11<magyar>is there a way to read/write do /dev/md* from windoz?
20:11<interbird>you allocate 1 lane to the highway and 5 laned to your trashcan
20:12<SuperMiguel>interbird, can you give me some recommendations
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20:14<interbird>no sence in making /home a separate partition if you are the only user ot the system
20:14<SuperMiguel>interbird, so just make 3 partitions.. /boot / and swap?
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20:16<SuperMiguel>only reason i would separate boot from / is because im install on a raid 0 and as far as i know i need to put /boot on a separate partition
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20:17<interbird>yeah, used brackets and they dońt show
20:17<interbird>so i checked my echt
20:18<interbird>my kb-layout is shitty at the moment, deadkeys... gonnan fix it, brb
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20:19<ml|>magyar: why not try to install it and see do aptitude -s , but make sure you have /etc/apt/apt-file.conf with .. APT::Default-Release "testing";
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20:20<ml|>and of course add sid repo to sources.list
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20:21<interbird>ah, better
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20:21<SuperMiguel>so so just make 3 partitions.. /boot / and swap?
20:21<interbird>you need two at the least, / and swap
20:22<SuperMiguel>only reason i would separate boot from / is because im install on a raid 0 and as far as i know i need to put /boot on a separate partition
20:22<ml|>maybe /home even if you are the only user
20:22<interbird>well, books can be written on how to partition storage
20:23<interbird>the fact is..
20:23<interbird>that if a partition is full
20:23<interbird>it's full
20:23<SuperMiguel>how much swap i need for 8gb of ram?
20:24<interbird>and when you use a whole disk as a partition, all space will be used more economically, but having separate partitions can be more secure
20:24<ml|>/boot /home swap should be enough
20:24<interbird>since if a file-system corrupts, you only use that partition
20:24<ml|>and / duh
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20:25<interbird>in your case, having 1.5T, allocating 5G to /usr is nonsense since that is where the majority of progs will be installed
20:26<ml|>SuperMiguel: to be safe 2gb, at most, but you problably can get away with less
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20:26<interbird>1G boot, 30G / 20G /home and the rest under /mnt/LXDATA is one allocation that is better that the one you 'usually'use
20:26<ml|>some people even don't use one
20:27<interbird>and 5G swap means you can overflow your 2G ram 2.5 times
20:27<ml|>1gb for boot, 100mb should be enough
20:27<interbird>some people hand the rule of: swap = ram * 2
20:27<SuperMiguel>interbird, i will be upgrading to 8gb next week.. so i guess 16gb?
20:27<bremner>ml|: depends how many kernels you have installed
20:28<kop>SuperMiguel: Use lvm, then you can change your mind about partition sizes later.
20:28<ml|>bremner: yes but 1gb?
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20:28<interbird>100mb for /boot is not enough because some upgrade scenario's use more
20:28<bremner>I agree. I have 256M
20:28<interbird>since he has 1.5T 1G is a drop
20:28<bremner>anyway we are quibling about 1c worth of disk space
20:28<interbird>500mb for /boot will also do, 100mb could get you into trouble
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20:29<icebrain>hi, does anyone know a good ncurses cd burning app?
20:29<SuperMiguel>k 1gb for /boot, 16gb for swap and the rest in /
20:29<interbird>16g for swap ?
20:29<kop>icebrain: I always just use wodim, which does not use curses at all.
20:29<SuperMiguel>interbird, i will upgrade to 8gb of ram next week
20:30<interbird>ahh, well, you should inform youself about what swap is used for
20:30<kapil>icebrain: "cdw" _may_ work for you.
20:30<interbird>you will need >8G if you want to use hibernate as this dumps your ram to swap
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20:31<SuperMiguel>interbird, not really
20:31<icebrain>kapil: thanks
20:31<icebrain>kop: yeah, but I was looking for something more "complete" in terms of auto iso generation and such
20:31<ml|>icebrain: try mybashburn also
20:31<icebrain>ml|: thanks, I'll check those two
20:32<ml|>SuperMiguel: like kop said lvm might be of use to you
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20:32<kop>I wonder whether uswsusp has a purpose on a desktop box.
20:32<bremner>save electricity?
20:32<themill>kop: absolutely -- for the same reason as it is useful on a laptop
20:33<kop>themill: I suppose. Although I seem to always have processes running. Fetchmail for example.
20:34<bremner>kop: but does your mail really need fetching while you sleep?
20:34<bremner>now if you were the bad kind of person that downloaded movies...
20:34<themill>when you're asleep, the box may as well be asleep... And most of my machines at work have s2disk run on them as I leave. (I can WOL them if I need them from home anyway)
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20:35<kop>bremner: Nope. But then I have to remember to turn it on. And, in some sense it does. I'm running a 300MHz 386 for my mail server, and there's only about 600M of disk free so it pays keep it clean. :-)
20:35<kop>themill: What about backups? I've backups that run while I sleep.
20:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 397] by debhelper
20:37<themill>You could happily "WOL ; backup ; s2disk". Or run the backups at other times. A desktop uses a lot of power these days, and that translates into a lot of $/£/etc and, most likely, a lot of environmental impact
20:37<interbird>SuperMiguel: You might also want to check if your current kernel can handle 8G of ram; possibly you need the -bigmem kernel...
20:38<ml|>for that much ram i hope you are using amd64
20:38<interbird>and running 64-bit debbie
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20:39<ml|>yes that is what i meant :)
20:40<interbird>I wonder when my Phenom II with 16G get's delivered, my OpenGEM crashes all the time...
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20:42<xeon-enouf>What asshole changed "S99rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local" --to-- S02rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local in /etc/rc2.d/ ?
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20:42<xeon-enouf>are you on drugs?
20:43<interbird>What ass-hole changed midnight-commander to use external nano %$^&, put him in a strait-jacket !
20:44<SuperMiguel>ml|, im using 64bit debina
20:44<interbird>new distro ? :-)
20:45<SuperMiguel>amd64 debian 5.0 :)
20:45<ml|>even better ;)
20:45<southernc>isnt it 5.2 now ?
20:45<SuperMiguel>i have 5.0.2
20:45<ml|>5.0.2 maybe
20:46<xeon-enouf>HAL and Consolekit crap isn't called until "S24hal -> ../init.d/hal" and in rcS.d/ " -> ../init.d/"
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20:46<xeon-enouf>erm the HAL shit isn't there till rc2.d/
20:46<southernc>omg your still going on about that ?
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20:46<SuperMiguel>ml|, u use gnome?
20:46<xeon-enouf>southernc: no .. read
20:46<ml|>SuperMiguel: no, i use xmonad a wm :)
20:47<interbird>5.0.2 only has meaning for the install cd's/dvd's; after apt-get update or aptitude update, all is at the latest version
20:47<xeon-enouf>southernc: listen -- it can be killed via my workaround .. but NOT when maintainers reorder a S99script to S02 in /etc/rc2.d/
20:47<ml|>dpkg: tell SuperMiguel about xmonad
20:48<interbird>dpkg's battery is empty :-)
20:48<southernc>whats the problem you have with hal anyway ?
20:48<xeon-enouf>~$ grep pkill /etc/rc.local
20:48<xeon-enouf>## //////// sudo pkill console-kit-* ////////////##
20:48<xeon-enouf>sudo pkill console-kit-*
20:48<ml|>it's useless
20:48<xeon-enouf>my workaround
20:48<ml|>here atleast
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20:49<xeon-enouf>~$ sudo mv /etc/rc2.d/S02rc.local /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local
20:49<xeon-enouf>stupid fucks
20:49<xeon-enouf>sorry about the general name calling -- i'll stop
20:49<SuperMiguel>ml|, doesnt it kneed a DE on top of it?
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20:49<kop>xeon-enouf: sid?
20:49<xeon-enouf>kop: what else?
20:50<ml|>SuperMiguel: nope, you can use a wm with no de
20:50<xeon-enouf>yes apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs is installed
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20:50<xeon-enouf>there are WAY too many to trapse through
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20:50<ml|>xeon-enouf: that's what you get for running sid ;P
20:50<xeon-enouf>i mean .. just that HAL related thread bug will drive you batty
20:50<SuperMiguel>ml|, and the purpose is speed?
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20:51<southernc>yea after i found out about fglrx and kernel 2.6.30 not playing nice i was like ok ive had enough of this
20:51<xeon-enouf>southernc: no .. pstree, and ps aux output is SPAMMED with SIXTY FUCKEN INCIDENTS of console-kit PIDs
20:51<xeon-enouf>erm SuperMiguel
20:51<xeon-enouf>not southernc
20:51<southernc>calm down...
20:51<xeon-enouf>not either
20:51<ml|>SuperMiguel: that depends on you, but yeah speed, memory usage, minimal etc...
20:51<xeon-enouf>i thought you meant me - as far as speed
20:52<southernc>im suprised theres no way to control how many child process's it spawns
20:52<southernc>not that i ever looked into it
20:52<SuperMiguel>xeon-enouf, ???
20:53<xeon-enouf>southernc: they are all children except one, but even 1 is one too many
20:53<xeon-enouf>southernc: ignore me, i was mistaken
20:53<xeon-enouf>SuperMiguel: : ignore me, i was mistaken
20:53<ml|>xeon-enouf: glasses?
20:53<xeon-enouf>ml|: you'reYELLOW
20:53<ml|>xeon-enouf: and?
20:53<xeon-enouf>ml|: i will kill irssi
20:53<southernc>can i be blue ?
20:54<xeon-enouf>ml|: unfortunately xchat wants to install all this GNOME bullcrap
20:54<xeon-enouf>no wai
20:54<southernc>Scrollz ftw
20:54<ml|>xeon-enouf: no! irssi!
20:54<xeon-enouf>southernc: no, "no color for you!" </soupnazi>
20:55<xeon-enouf>ml|: irssi sucks ass
20:55<xeon-enouf>but i use it ... sigh
20:55<ml|>i don't what your problem is with irssi, but ok ;P
20:55<xeon-enouf>yes you do
20:55<xeon-enouf>if anyone does, it's you
20:55<southernc>hes color blind!
20:55<xeon-enouf>just stop
20:55<xeon-enouf>and no, i'm not
20:55<ml|>southernc: tes!
20:55<xeon-enouf>i wish i was
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20:56<ml|>*yes even
20:56<xeon-enouf>then colors wouldn't matter
20:56<xeon-enouf>but they do
20:56<xeon-enouf>so get a reality check going
20:56<xeon-enouf>and learn how to comprehend
20:56<bremner>xeon-enouf: there are two versions of xchat, one with less deps
20:56<xeon-enouf>bremner: really? hrm
20:57<bremner>hint, you don't want xchat-gnome
20:57<southernc>i was only kidding guy
20:57<ml|>bremner: heh
20:57<xeon-enouf>southernc: it's just twice now, you were way off .. no worries
20:57<xeon-enouf>and i _know_ you are intelligent
20:57<southernc>yea i just woke up give me a break...
20:57<xeon-enouf>i've seen you in action
20:57<xeon-enouf>!coffee southernc
20:57*dpkg decants a fine broth of organic International Roast Caterers Blend for southernc, courtesy of xeon-enouf
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20:58<southernc>well thats a good idea
20:58<xeon-enouf>bremner: erm, apt-get install xchat doesn't mention that /... wait
20:59<xeon-enouf>The following extra packages will be installed: gconf2 gconf2-common libgconf2-4 libidl0 liborbit2 libsexy2 xchat-common
20:59<southernc>echo <woman>Get me some fucking coffee</women> <response>get it yourself!</response>
20:59<xeon-enouf>he following NEW packages will be installed: gconf2 gconf2-common libgconf2-4 libidl0 liborbit2 libsexy2 xchat xchat-common
20:59<southernc>ok then brb
20:59<bremner>xeon-enouf: ok, well, how can you not want libsexy2?
20:59<ml|>xeon-enouf: well you want xchat so...
20:59<xeon-enouf>bremner: and Install-Recommends "false"; is in effect
21:00<bremner>yeah, I guess xchat-gnome is worse. /me checks
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21:00<bremner>9 more dependencies for xchat-gnome. So it could be worse, you could be stabbed
21:00<southernc>xeon-enouf, seriously you ever tried scrollz its based on ircci but coded in c so its faster and has extra options
21:01<southernc>if you rather have no gui etc
21:02<bremner>or quassel. That has no gnome depencies
21:02<xeon-enouf>bremner: why come is not in Official ?
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21:02<xeon-enouf>southernc: not yet
21:03*bremner wonders why he gets the hotbabe questions...
21:03<xeon-enouf>southernc: is it GUI or not? or both?
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21:03<xeon-enouf>bremner: you brought up the 'sex' issue
21:03<ptr>holy poop
21:03<ptr>sorry folks
21:03<ptr>wrong window
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21:04<bremner>xeon-enouf: I suggest you ask on debian-women@l.d.o
21:04<xeon-enouf>i don't want no 'gconf2 gconf2-common libgconf2-4" shit - they are always starting up shit behind your back
21:04<xeon-enouf>bremner: about?
21:04<bremner>hotbabe packaging
21:05<xeon-enouf>bremner: really?
21:05<xeon-enouf>i don't think so
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21:05<xeon-enouf>they can NOT be that scuzzy
21:06<xeon-enouf>i will defend then till death - so stop with your nonsense please - otherwise into the bozobox you go
21:06<xeon-enouf>stop posting things that have no relationship to the issue that YOU brought up
21:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 391] by debhelper
21:07<ml|>xeon-enouf: you must stop drinking now :)
21:07<interbird>!beer xeon-enouf
21:07*dpkg pours a litre of Piraat for xeon-enouf
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21:12<interbird>Hmm, debian-women@l.d.o states they're busy for the moment....
21:12<xeon-enouf>interbird: the person that posted that is obviously very confused
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21:13<interbird>aren't we all ?
21:13<xeon-enouf>sometimes, indeed
21:13<southernc>xeon-enouf, its no gui
21:13<southernc>sorry was making coffee :)
21:13<xeon-enouf>southernc: that's ok - what language is it written in? do you know? perl?
21:14<xeon-enouf>!\o/ southernc
21:14<xeon-enouf>what a dump
21:14<southernc>huh ?
21:14<xeon-enouf>dpkg: "\o/" is you did it! YaY!!!!
21:14<dpkg>okay, xeon-enouf
21:15<southernc>lol ahh
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21:15<xeon-enouf>dpkg: "\o\" is you did it! and .. "it's just a jump .. to the left"
21:15<dpkg>xeon-enouf: okay
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21:15<xeon-enouf>dpkg: "/o/" is you did it! and .. "it's just a step .. to the right"
21:15<dpkg>xeon-enouf: I think you lost me on that one
21:16<southernc>lol sounds like something from rocky horror picture show
21:16<xeon-enouf>dpkg: erm, you were so cooperative in the past
21:16<dpkg>wish i knew, xeon-enouf
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21:16*xeon-enouf helps southernc pulls his/her "kneees in tight"
21:17<southernc>spaming bastard!
21:17<xeon-enouf>dpkg: "\/o\/" is you did it! and .. "it's just a step .. to the right"
21:17<dpkg>okay, xeon-enouf
21:17<xeon-enouf>voila ;-)
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21:17<xeon-enouf>ruh roh
21:18<ml|>xeon-enouf: dpkg is not listening to you heh
21:18<Trace>Hi... I have a question about running Debian on PPC, but everyone on the PPC channel is idle.
21:19<xeon-enouf>ml|: yes she is ... some bozo is deleting my factoids behind the scene
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21:19<xeon-enouf>it's ok though
21:19<interbird>Well, this is #debian-msn...
21:19<xeon-enouf>interbird: stop
21:19<xeon-enouf>Trace: ask
21:19<xeon-enouf>which version of PPC?
21:20<Trace>PowerPC 750 333 MHz
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21:20<xeon-enouf>Trace: there's also #debian and #debianppc on the former has people SOMETIMES available that know ppc well
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21:20<xeon-enouf>Trace: is that a G3? newWorld?
21:21<xeon-enouf>i have a 7200/200 OldWorld .. that has not ever seen Debian
21:21<Trace>I... don't really know for absolutely certain. I THINK it's a G3
21:21<xeon-enouf>just because it's too slow for the trouble now ... i'm willing to GIVE it to you or a museum
21:21<SuperMiguel>how do i add a user to de sudoers file?
21:21<SuperMiguel>where is this file?
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21:21<xeon-enouf>southernc: /msg dpkg sudoers
21:22<xeon-enouf>in /etc
21:22<ml|>SuperMiguel: visudo
21:22<xeon-enouf>SuperMiguel: saee what i said
21:22<xeon-enouf>southernc: sorry
21:22<xeon-enouf>ml|: they have to install the pkg
21:22<SuperMiguel>xeon-enouf, :) again?
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21:22<xeon-enouf>SuperMiguel: : /msg dpkg sudoers
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21:23<southernc>i was right
21:23<ml|>xeon-enouf: yes, but if SuperMiguel is asking, maybe he/her have installed
21:23<southernc>RHPS - It's Just a Step to the Left.... - Rocky Horror Picture ...
21:23<xeon-enouf>follow links to figure out what you ahave
21:23<Trace>I think I was there
21:23<xeon-enouf>southernc: bulb? meet southernc
21:23<ml|>SuperMiguel: man sudoers and sudo
21:24<Trace>Thanks xeon-enouf
21:24<southernc>well i havent seen it in forever and it sounded really familiar lol
21:24<xeon-enouf>Trace: then . find the apropos Installation Guide
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21:25<xeon-enouf>southernc: no HIP movem,ent in THAT LONG?!
21:25*xeon-enouf runs
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21:25<southernc>pelvic thrust
21:25<xeon-enouf>ding ding ding
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21:28<southernc>anyway lets see what other ridiculous security implications i can put into lenny
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21:31*xeon-enouf has no chastity belt on his package
21:31*xeon-enouf hides
21:32<Trace>xeon-enouf: So as long as my ancient iMac has a G3, I should be alright? Theoretically?
21:32<xeon-enouf>google "community property" from a band in 2009 ;-)
21:32<xeon-enouf>Trace: yes
21:32<xeon-enouf>Trace: so long as you follow the CORRECT installatio guide
21:33<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.2) can be found at and for Etch (4.0r8) at . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
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21:33<xeon-enouf>Trace: wait
21:33<xeon-enouf>Trace: wait
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21:33<xeon-enouf>Trace: there ARE some oldworld G3's so i heard
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21:34<Trace>Power PC 750. Speed is 333MHz. 512 KB L2 Cache. 160 MB of RAM.
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21:35<Trace>I dont know how to find out if it's old/new world
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21:41<xeon-enouf>Trace: .. but the site i sent you to should have info
21:41<xeon-enouf>Trace: swap the "en." part with your native language if you like
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21:42<xeon-enouf>(not meaning to imply your native lang isn't English, i say that; so others reading realize there are options)
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21:42<Trace> right
21:42<xeon-enouf>!glorybless public channels
21:43<xeon-enouf>"implications" and "subtleties" are the bane of the apes .. unfortunately
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21:44<xeon-enouf>the babboons have different issues
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21:48<Trace_>Gah... The joys of using IRC on your cellphone
21:50<Trace_>Anyway, xeon-enouf, you said something just as my connection spazzed. Reminded me of mush code.
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21:57<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
21:57<xeon-enouf>!aolsmite Trace
21:57<xeon-enouf>what a dump
21:57<Trace>The reason I want debian is so that I can host a mush game
21:58<Trace>It's like an mmo, but text based
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21:59<Trace>Also called a MUD, or Multi-User Dungeon
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22:01<southernc>oh boy
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22:02*southernc hands Trace a ps3
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22:03<Trace>I can't roleplay, and by extension, develop my writing, playing a PS3
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22:05<southernc>sounds exciting :)
22:05<Trace>Well, it is to me :P
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22:06<southernc>not something i could get into but hey if everyone were the same be a boring place..
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22:06<vaikz>hi, installed debian on vmware but can't find the grub menu.lst?
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22:07<vaikz>w/c one /etc/grub or /boot/grub/menu.lst?
22:08<southernc>the later
22:08<vaikz>let me try that
22:08<southernc>sorry got too many things going on at once
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22:10<Trace>Arg... I keep losing cell service. I hate this building. It's like a Faraday Cage.
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22:10<vaikz>when I try to use cat /boot/grub/menu.lst, it is no such file or directory
22:10<vaikz>I installed using grub2 on mbr
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22:11<vaikz>ok tnx, ill try that
22:12<southernc>i think thats it cant remem,ber as i dont use grub2
22:12<bremner>or, you could check the release notes
22:12<vaikz>yeah thanks. I check on /boot but no grub 2
22:12<bremner>I seem to recall reading that menu.lst was going away
22:13<Trace>Whatever happened to just looking inside the folder? See what IS there?
22:13<southernc>its grub.cfg
22:13<southernc>not menu.lst i believe
22:13<vaikz>yeah no grub2, but I can see grub.conf
22:13<vaikz>ill check on it
22:13<southernc>well there ya go
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22:14<Trace>Common sense wins again!
22:14*Trace =D
22:14<southernc>we could make this into a role playing game (:0P
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22:15<southernc>it should be /boot/grub/grub.cfg but debian might use .conf instead
22:15*southernc shrugz
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22:16<bremner>for $deity's sake, its your boot loader, read the docs!
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22:19<Trace>Well. I'm gonna saw some iPhone battery for later. I might be back.
22:19<Trace>Thanks for the help, xeon-enouf
22:19<southernc>take it easy :)
22:20<Trace>Do I know you from somewhere, southernc?
22:20<vaikz>ok I found it, it's located on /boot/grub/grub.cfg
22:20<Trace>That handle looks familiar
22:20<southernc>as i said 30 minutes ago vaikz
22:20<xeon-enouf>yes, SouthernComfort ... a slimy wiskey brew
22:20<southernc>youve prolly gotten drunk off of me :_)
22:20<vaikz>yeah thanks for that :-D
22:21<xeon-enouf>in high school, yeah .. since then i've kicked you to the curb
22:21<southernc>but couldnt remeber much the next day :(
22:21<Trace>Nah.. I thought I met someone that used that name
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22:21<southernc>mmm im mostly on efnet
22:21<xeon-enouf>white liquors completely outshine your crap
22:22<southernc>pfft they have 100 proof soco
22:22*xeon-enouf stops the OT
22:22<Trace>Anyway, later guys
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22:23<southernc>god looking at ascii art gives me motion sickness
22:23<xeon-enouf>libacaca ftw
22:24<xeon-enouf>your display sucks
22:24<southernc>i have 4 :)
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22:25<xeon-enouf>+ass :-P
22:25<southernc>47 inch lcd ftw
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22:26<xeon-enouf>with 3x 13" ? hahahaha
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22:27<southernc>13x3=39 :)
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22:53<laber>how does robots.txt under the directory of phpwind work??
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22:54<southernc>what do you mean how does it work ?
22:56<laber>southernc_: Disallow: /admin means google bots unable to grab the content under /admin? that`s curious..
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22:56<southernc>and all other dir like template ipdata data image etc
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22:57<southernc>its built with basically a blacklist
22:57<southernc>for common spider bots
22:57<laber>southernc_ So it is the freedom gived by google ,
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22:59<southernc>well basically there was a swecurity flaw with these bots because they would cache dir etc on servers someone could use google as a tool to get info
22:59<southernc>on said webserver
23:00<laber>southernc_ Is that mean google can gain anything if he wants,neglect the existence of robots.txt...
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23:01<southernc>no it simply follows a links in a website
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23:01<southernc>although im not sure how phpwind works from looking at this it appears when someone connects to a site running PHPwind it simple dissallows acces to any of the specified dir's
23:01<southernc>matching an user agenty
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23:02<southernc>not just a spiderbot but anybody that connects to the site
23:03<southernc>User-agent: *
23:03<southernc> would match all
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23:04<laber>southernc_ : So what is difference between spiderbot and the usual user.
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23:04<southernc>well there are different typess of bots
23:04<southernc>but lets say a google spider bot
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23:05<southernc>would basically scan a website to cache information in its batabase to match keywords for there search engine etc
23:05<southernc>but sometimes that can be a badthing
23:10<SuperMiguel>is there a HD benchmark test for debian like hdtune or hd tach for windows?
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23:12<SuperMiguel>southernc, i installed it but i dont know how to run it :S
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23:13<SuperMiguel>typing bonnie++ doesnt do much
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23:14<southernc>/usr/share/doc/bonnie++/readme.html <<< info on test preformed
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23:15<southernc>what kind of test do you wanna do ?
23:15<southernc>output input seek ?
23:15<SuperMiguel>i just want to know my hd transfer rate
23:15<SuperMiguel>the info in this pic
23:16<southernc>are you trying to figure out if it would be better on linux ?
23:17<SuperMiguel>southernc, ya im tryiing to find what kind of speeds i get on linux using the same setup
23:17<SuperMiguel>or similiar setup
23:19<southernc>Bonnie [-d /home/whoever/testdir -s 2047 -m blah [-html
23:19<southernc>Bonnie -d /home/whoever/testdir -s 2047 -m blah -html
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23:20<SuperMiguel>bonnie is not a found command
23:20<southernc>Bonnie++ -d /home/whoever/testdir -s 2047 -m blah -html
23:20<SuperMiguel>and i ran apt-get install bonnie++
23:20<southernc>are you root
23:21<southernc>bonnie++ -d /home/whoever/testdir -s 2047 -m blah -html
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23:22<southernc>-d = dir to test in -s size in mb -m = machine name -html = output versus plain text
23:23<SuperMiguel>im getting invalid option -h
23:23<SuperMiguel>i have to put that -html at the end?
23:23<southernc>or dont put it at all
23:23<southernc>-h isnt a option its -html
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23:25<SuperMiguel>it doesnt do anything :S
23:25<SuperMiguel>it just gives me the usage
23:27<southernc>wtf is -u
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23:27<southernc>bonnie++ -d /home/whoever/testdir -s 2047 -m blah -html
23:27<SuperMiguel>when i run it with out it tells me that to run bonnie++ as root i have to add -u
23:27<southernc>ok then use a space
23:27<southernc>not -u-d
23:28<southernc>-u root
23:28<southernc>-u root -d
23:28<SuperMiguel>k with out the -html, and i had to change the file size to double my ram
23:29<SuperMiguel>is running
23:29<SuperMiguel>lets see
23:30*dpkg chops ml| in half with a free Solaris 7 CD, courtesy of ml|
23:30<southernc>SoCo:/home/southernc# bonnie++ -u root -d /home/southernc/Desktop/backup -s 2047 -m blah
23:30<southernc>Using uid:0, gid:0.
23:30<southernc>File size should be double RAM for good results, RAM is 5964M.
23:31<ml|>oops sorry
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23:33<SuperMiguel>southernc, so i got results, which one is the transfer rate?
23:34<southernc>ok you got
23:35<southernc>its ugly in text format
23:35<SuperMiguel>is that what the html was for?
23:35<southernc>yea but for whatever reason the -html switch wasnt working i havent used this in a while it did before
23:36<southernc>ok see at the top is output
23:36<southernc>then input
23:37<southernc>then create then then random create etc
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23:37<southernc>473.3 random seeks /sec
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23:39<southernc>output 75494 /kb sec
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23:40<southernc>thats bits not bytes :)
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23:40<southernc>8 bits = 1 byte hope you knew that
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23:42<tyler>where is the browsing history file found in the file system
23:42<southernc>for a browser ?
23:43<tyler>yes firefox
23:43<southernc>just open it up click history > all history
23:43<southernc>show all history
23:44<tyler>i want to create a hard link with the file so i can see where peeps are going
23:44<tyler>where is the the temp file located
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23:45<southernc>hang on computer is being slow
23:46<jmarsden>tyler: Within the profile directory of the user concerned. ~/.mozilla/firefox/PROFILENAME/whatever...
23:47<tyler>do you have to access it using the console or can you do it from the gui
23:47<jmarsden>But this is not a good way to check what people are looking at. They might be using lynx or wget or curl or whatever to download things from the Internet.
23:47<jmarsden>It is a file. You can access it any way you choose :)
23:48<tyler>i cant find the .mozilla file
23:48<jmarsden>southernc: Thunderbird is not a browser...
23:48<southernc>yup im awake
23:48<jmarsden>Thunderbird is an email client :)
23:48<southernc>yea lol
23:48<southernc>tyler its hidden
23:48<southernc>you have to enable show hidden files
23:49<tyler>how you do that
23:49<southernc>any folder or file with . in front of it is hidden
23:49<tyler>srry new to linux
23:49<southernc>well that would depend what your using
23:49<southernc>this is #debian pffft
23:50<jmarsden>If you use Ubuntu, it is probably not a great idea to be asking questions in #debian
23:50<southernc>we get all crazy on your azz
23:50<southernc>look in edit
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23:50<southernc>hang on
23:51<southernc>still performiong a benchmark and its being slow
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23:51<tyler>its ok
23:51<jmarsden>edit? I think maybe southernc is running DOS
23:51<southernc>view rather
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23:51<southernc>look in the tab view
23:52<southernc>for show hidden files
23:52<southernc>im not using gnome or ubuntu so who the hell knows what your using...
23:52<tyler>srry gotta go
23:52<tyler>thanks peeps
23:52<tyler>ill try again later
23:52<southernc>in #ubuntu
23:53<tyler>my daughter needs a diaper change
23:53<southernc>hope she didnt shit
23:53<tyler>later guys
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23:54<southernc>I = '$seestraight' elsif null
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