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00:02<sheit>anyone know how to get Boxee to work on jaunty amd64
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00:23<h>anyone knows how to sing with one 4096 key ? i use caff but i get one error , it says i have one public que but not one private key witch is not true
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01:32<Steven_M>what's the difference between the telnet package and the inetutils-telnet package?
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01:34<Steven_M>hi southernc
01:34<southernc>whats new, interesting , blownup tonight ?
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01:36<southernc>apparently your keyboard...
01:36<southernc>ml|: you didnt beat me to bed i hope
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01:39<Steven_M>what's the difference between the telnet package and the inetutils-telnet package?
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01:41<southernc>inteutils is gnu
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01:42*southernc shrugz
01:43<Steven_M>southernc: so does that mean that the other one is bsd?
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01:45<southernc>bsdutils and bsdmainutils dont include telent
01:45<Steven_M>southernc: ok
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01:49<southernc>its indetify and it goes to nickserv :)
01:51<ml|>southernc: hah hello, what was it you wanted to tell me? and btw problem solved thanks to vvas :)
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01:51<southernc>hmm what was the problem ?
01:51<southernc>i imagine something to do with pointing to wrong device ?
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01:54<ml|>no, had to use it this way linux16 (hd0,1)/memtest... and then vvas_ came up with a way that update-grub2 add it's on it's own
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01:55<ml|>and plus a patch in one of the bug reports to fix another two issues
01:55<southernc>fun is :)
01:56<ml|>works fine now :)
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01:56<ml|>!beer vvas_
01:56*dpkg pours a quart of Spaten Optimator for vvas_
01:56<southernc>my question was - since when using mv file /etc erases the whole /etc dir ?
01:57<southernc>am i loosing my mind or ?
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01:57<ml|>whenever i get the email for my bug report either vvas_ or i will include this info
01:57<ml|>southernc: ?
01:58<southernc>i did mv rsnapshot.cfg /etc and it erased my entire etc dir...
01:59<ml|>i usually close dir(s) /etc/ , but that should not happen
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01:59<southernc>i didnt think so either it was quite a suprise
02:00<ml|>but like i said, i close them
02:00<southernc>yea prolly be a good idea
02:00<southernc>not like theres a undo button
02:01<ml|>it erased it? or renamed it?
02:01<southernc>gone completely
02:02<ml|>hmm, that sound very wierd
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02:02<ml|>good thing you backup :)
02:03<southernc>well that was thing i was trying to setup rsnapshot lol
02:03<ml|>i love rsnapshot :)
02:03<southernc>yea you tought my how to use it (:0P
02:03<ml|>best backup tool imho
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02:04<ml|>yeah that's right
02:04<southernc>it works good on my server
02:04<ml|>so what you do to recover /etc yes :)
02:05<southernc>debian lenny install cd lol
02:05<ml|>and only used what it needs
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02:05<ml|>damn that sucks
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02:06<southernc>i had to install a velociraptor drive on this computer anyway and i pretty much have all of the issues worked oput and on a backup cd so it wasnt that bad
02:06<ml|>so you had to reconfigure your configs huh
02:06<ml|>ah ok
02:07<southernc>ehh just a few made a new kernel reconfigure to use opendns just basic crap
02:07<ml|>southernc: maybe next time to make sure use -i ;)
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02:07*southernc is scared to use the mv command
02:07<ml|> :) /haha/
02:09<southernc>i will have a question about how you restore a backup or the easiest way youve found after the new drives get here cause i gotta configure a raid but that wont be for a few days
02:09<southernc>so no going on vacation :)
02:10<ml|>southernc: easy just use a livecd (grml), mount the drives and rsync the data over
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02:11<ml|>rsync -avzAHX(n) should do just fine remove the n when satisfied on what it will do
02:12<ml|>always use "n" to make sure!
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02:12<ml|>no need to overide dir(s) or bunch of files
02:12<southernc>but i mean if i have a backup on a cd and i have completely reformatted drives i partition them etc install lenny then use rsync from live cd >?
02:13<ml|>by accident like the mv incident
02:14<ml|>no need to reinstall lenny, just make sure you have a goog rsnapshot and rsync
02:14<ml|>southernc: ^
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02:16<ml|>southernc: you can also wipe the drives with said livecd and use fdisk and mkfs.*** rsxync and done, no need to use install cd unless you want to, this way all your settings, etc.. are preserved
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02:18<ml|>southernc: just did it to convert to ext4 and will do it again to /boot partition soon since it's ext3 now, but since using grub2 i can now use ext4 on /boot :)
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02:18<drakeman>hey anyones have any idea how to add more workspaces than 2 in gnome inside debian? righ click in the workspace swticher doesnt work..
02:19<ml|>drakeman: wish i knew, but i don't use gnome
02:19<drakeman>ml|, thanks, hehee, let me see if the problem is compiz
02:20*ml| goes back to document my grub2 adventure before i forget it all ttyl
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02:23<drakeman>ml|, good luck!
02:23<drakeman>anyone can help me with this gnome thing
02:23<southernc>ahh opk ml
02:23<southernc>hows ext4 working out anyway ?
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02:29<hackndoes>Hi guys and gals, i have a made a stupid mistake and installed testing. i get many updates with bugs in them when i try to install simple main stream everyday use apps.
02:29<hackndoes>what is the safest and fastest an recommended way to do a downgrade back to Lenny?
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02:33<ml|>hackndoes: you can't go back unless you have a backup before you did this
02:34<southernc>tjhats almost as good as mv ing your /etc :)
02:34<hackndoes>ml|, well i don't have but i saw on google some suggestion such as apt-pinning and many dependency resolutions manually etc only it seems like very dengerous move
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02:34<southernc>apt pining isnt backwards compatible
02:34<ml|>southernc: working great thus far, faster reads & writes, rm is also faster and fsck is alot faster
02:35<hackndoes>and i see now that sqeeze is dated to around sept to become stable (with a bit delay probably) maybe better to wait for it?
02:35<ml|>hackndoes: apt does not support going backwards
02:35<southernc>thatc ool havent had any compatability problems ?
02:36<ml|>southernc: is that ? for me?
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02:36<hackndoes>well people there said they did the downgrade successfully in the end
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02:37<ml|>hackndoes: well anything is possible, but it's not easy better to backup and reinstall
02:37<ml|>search the debian forums if you feel like trying good luck
02:37<hackndoes>ml|, but what about waiting for sqeeze to become stable? it's supposed to come at around setpember
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02:38<ml|>hackndoes: yes i see no need to go back to stable that's up to you tho
02:38<southernc>hackndoes the only thing you could do is dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile fix your sources.list and try removing what was upgraded and then reload the file with dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade
02:39<ml|>hackndoes: also no set time on when squeeze will become stable and setptember no way
02:39<southernc>something along those lines
02:39<hackndoes>well i think i will pass on the experience for now (my time is to valuable) will wait
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02:40<southernc>what are you the president ?
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02:41<ml|>southernc: was this for me?... < southernc> thatc ool havent had any compatability problems ?
02:41<hackndoes>the first date was September but because of a shift in strategy at beginning of September they will announce a new date. ->
02:41<southernc>other then memtest (:0P
02:41<ml|>southernc: well explain please that looks like gibberish ;)
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02:42<craigevil>A new timeline will be announced by the Debian Release Team in early September. says nothing about a freeze or release in Sept.
02:42<southernc>you havent had any compatability issues with ext4 file system!
02:42<southernc>that better :)
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02:42<ml|>southernc: heh yes, none tthus far works great :)
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02:43<southernc>hmm maybe ill have to give it a try one of these days
02:43<hackndoes>well should i then start a downgrade? will get and set selections do the trick?
02:43<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn>
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02:43<ml|>southernc: but everyone i mention too it gives the evil eye 0_o
02:43<hackndoes>if i can't download everything that was upgraded so far, how should i know it's a million packages, will it still work?
02:44<southernc>if you havent done alot of configureing i would suggest just doing a clean install
02:44<ml|>southernc: when you get your drives good time i would think
02:44<southernc>ext4 for a server ?
02:44<ml|>ah no way
02:44<hackndoes>southernc, are you serious? is the stable release this far away?
02:45<ml|>hackndoes: it is, last one took ~3-4 years
02:45<hackndoes>do you think it's worth it?
02:45<southernc>well thats up to you if its giveing alot of problems and you feel like dealing with it then wait till they start naming debian after a different pixar file lol
02:45<hackndoes>but stable for 3-4 years doesn't it stay back in compability?
02:46<craigevil>34-yrs was sarge, bth etch and lenny were around 2
02:46<ml|>ah i always forget
02:46<hackndoes>lenny? lenny is the current stable and only for a few months
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02:46<ml|>and i saw 34 years my eyes almost fell out of my head ;)
02:47<craigevil>hackndoes: yes it was released this past Feb
02:47<southernc>imagine looking into the future 34 years at the computers they will have youde shit yourself :)
02:47<ml|>hackndoes: there is
02:47<hackndoes>so you say it will be for one and a half year more
02:47<craigevil>no way squeeze will be released before at least next summer at the earliest
02:47<hackndoes>OK OK i am convinced shit i hate this and hate that i was stupid. i saw you all talk about ext4
02:48<hackndoes>do you utilize it? how do i use it as my file system, can i do it during installation?
02:48<craigevil>hackndoes: most people run stable on a server and either testing or sid on desktop
02:48<hackndoes>i saw you say things happen much faster on it
02:48<southernc>am i the only one confused about what hes asking ?
02:49<ml|>not with default debian installer, i think with kumo you can
02:49<hackndoes>craigevil, testing on the desktop? every installation i do gives me many bug issues
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02:49<southernc>hackndoes: youde have to use a unstable relase to use ext4 which is apparently what you have now
02:49<craigevil>hackndoes: ive run sid on my desktop for 5 yrs, never had to reinstall but i dont use kde or gnome
02:50<ml|>craigevil: what is the name for thatjp installer?
02:50<dpkg>For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files (in 0627 images) are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of
02:50<ml|>craigevil: thank you
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02:51<hackndoes>craigevil, i have no problem using other WM but i don't think this is the only source for the bugs, i installed bunshee and got bugs on dependency installations
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02:51<ml|>southernc: no, you can with .30 or higher,
02:52<ml|>using bpo
02:52<southernc>only time i saw ext4 option was in sidux
02:52<ml|>or unstable's if on testing
02:52<hackndoes>and how did you install ext4 on the fly?
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02:53<southernc>on the fly ?
02:53<ml|>southernc: i have a custom kernel and debian sid one and both work great with ext4
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02:53<southernc>what version of kde is standard on sid ?
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02:53<ml|>judd: versions kde
02:53<judd>ml|: kde -- etch: 5:47 lenny: 5:48 sid: 5:48
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02:54<ml|>judd: versions kde-core
02:54<judd>ml|: kde-core -- etch: 5:47 lenny: 5:48 sid: 5:48
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02:54<hackndoes>well install on an existing running system
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02:54<southernc>you cant install a ext4 partion over a ext3 system
02:54<southernc>you would have to reformat your hd
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02:55<ml|>well you can convert it but better to mkfs.ext4 fresh
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02:56<southernc>well yea i suppose you could but i wouldnt
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02:56<craigevil>Linux Convert ext3 to ext4 File system -
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02:57<ml|>hackndoes: try with kmuto installer if doing a fresh install
02:57<hackndoes>i think i will stick to squeeze for now, since you say most people do that on their desktop, i can do it too
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02:58<hackndoes>which other desktop environment would you guys suggest other then gnome or KDE? what's you preferences and why?
02:58<southernc>um theres xfce
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02:58<hackndoes>I love the mac4lin project which is on gnome but can leave without that
02:58<Tekno>E17 (Enlightenment), lighter than xfce and looks good
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02:59<craigevil>i use lxde its a lot lighter and faster than gnome/kde
02:59<hackndoes>E17? it's desktop environment?
02:59<ml|>hackndoes: install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges
02:59<Tekno>hackndoes: yea
02:59<ml|>xmonad here :)
02:59<hackndoes>listbugs i have will install listchanges
02:59<Tekno>but you still need to rely on gnome/kde apps on some things when using e17
03:00<Tekno>so its not full environment
03:00<hackndoes>craigevil, and are you happy with it?
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03:00<southernc>see the ring on his finger
03:00<ml|>i would use lxde to start with
03:00<hackndoes>do you have all the applications you need from an environment there?
03:01<ml|>southernc: heh
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03:01<craigevil>hackndoes: yes, no gnome or kde apps here other than k3b
03:01<hackndoes>hee, can't leave without k3b
03:02<craigevil>well and gmplayer since gecko-mediaplayer pulls it in
03:02<southernc>no gimp....
03:03<ml|>southernc: nobody has a gimp here ;)
03:03<hackndoes>ohhhhhhhhh, i hate these -> they keep coming on every installation. now on installing lxde
03:03<hackndoes>southernc, what do you use for image manipulation?
03:03<craigevil>hackndoes: Processes 107 Uptime 1:52 Memory 234.8/493.5MB thats with firefox+chatzilla and 8 tabs, shell-fm, lxterminal, evince, pcmanfm all running
03:03<southernc>just used it to make my own custom kernel boot image ppkl ascci form
03:04<hackndoes>craigevil, what do you mean by that?
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03:04<craigevil>hackndoes: unless the bug is a "grave" bug or affects booting i usually dont worry about it
03:04<ml|>that it usee less resources than say kde or gnome would use
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03:05<hackndoes>craigevil, so how do i recognize a grave bug?
03:05<southernc>by the headstone
03:05<craigevil>apt-listbugs will say "grave"
03:05<hackndoes>OK, grate thanks
03:05<hackndoes>i will come back to say hello from lxde
03:06<hackndoes>bye for a few
03:06<southernc>we cant wait :)
03:06<ml|>hackndoes: good luck
03:06<hackndoes>hee, thanks, you are very charming
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03:07<southernc>who wants to take bets ?
03:07*ml| goes back to documenting my grub2 adventure before i forget it all, for real this time! bbiab
03:07<southernc>pfft no your not
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03:08<southernc>i wonder if he knew all he had to do was ctrl alt del
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03:18<southernc>hackndoes: howd it gfo ?
03:18<southernc>!dpkg sid
03:18<dpkg>hmm... sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
03:19<hackndoes>southernc, oh i didn't realize i am connected back :) it's fine, lxde looks good
03:19<hackndoes>need to search for all it's keyboard shortcuts though
03:19<southernc>you know if you wanna change window managers all you have to do is ctrl alt del and switch the default
03:19<craigevil>hackndoes: my lxde desktop>
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03:20<southernc>i bet you dont smoke pot!
03:20<hackndoes>wow dude very nice
03:20<hackndoes>no i think he is just light headede :)
03:21<southernc>very pretty setup craig
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03:22<craigevil>hehehe no not in years
03:22<hackndoes>how come you have google chrome running there? through wine?
03:22<southernc>whats the difference between sid and sidux...
03:23<craigevil>no there is a debian chrome package
03:23<craigevil>southernc: sidux sucks?
03:23<ml|>craigevil: nice setup
03:23<southernc>there bolth from unstable no ?
03:23<craigevil>besides the crappy slh kernel, and some weird scripts not much
03:24<ml|>my minimal setup ...
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03:24<craigevil>try installing fglrx on a sidux kernel wont work never has
03:24<southernc>wow! now thats boring
03:24<southernc>craig ive gotten it to work
03:24<ml|>haha "minimal"!
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03:25<craigevil>i like having a panel and menu
03:25<southernc>on the 2.6.29
03:25<southernc>not 2.6.30
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03:25<craigevil>southernc: did you use smxi?
03:25<southernc>not using liqourix
03:25<southernc>it worked for bolth
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03:26<ml|>keyboard shortcuts are great here :)
03:26<craigevil>try doing it without smxi, h2 patches something so it works
03:26<southernc>no thanks i tried for about 8 hours without success even with oatching it
03:26<craigevil>works everytime in debian kernel even 2.6.30 in sid
03:27<craigevil>i think damentz has it working in the liquoirx kernel as well now
03:27<southernc>i couldnt get it to work with 2.6.30
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03:27<ml|>southernc: btw when you do your moveif you need help lmk, if i'm around i'll do my best to help you
03:28<southernc>i appareciate it :)
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03:28<craigevil>southernc: i had a kanotix>sidux conversion that ran for 3 yrs until i had a hardware issue, my debian install is 5 yrs old running sid with daily apt-get dist-upgrade
03:28<ml|>southernc: just make sure you have good rsnapshots to work with
03:28<southernc>im sure after ive done it once and see how it works exactly it will all come together
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03:29<southernc>ml|: yea definately
03:29<southernc>craigevil: wow suprised you havent had any major issues
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03:30<southernc>craigevil: do you use fglrx ?
03:30<craigevil>nope only 2 things the whole time , once an upgrade messed up dvd sound that was fixed the next day and the new xorg
03:30<craigevil>no this pos dell is all intel
03:30<southernc>using hal ?
03:30<craigevil>and its ancient
03:30<southernc>ahh lol
03:31<ml|>craigevil: how is the new X except for that hal crap?
03:31<craigevil>i havent had any issues
03:31<ml|>do you use hal?
03:31<craigevil>raphics: Card Intel 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller X.Org 1.6.3 Res: 1280x1024@60.0hz
03:31<craigevil> GLX Renderer Mesa DRI Intel 915G GEM 20090712 2009Q2 RC3 x86/MMX/SSE2 GLX Version 1.4 Mesa 7.5.1 Direct Rendering Yes
03:32<craigevil>no choice about hal the new xorg depends on it
03:32<hackndoes>craigevil, sorry for the late response, there is a chrome for linux?
03:32<hackndoes>debian chrome package? in repos?
03:32<Tekno>chromium is for linux
03:32<ml|>well, you can disable it in xorg.conf
03:33<craigevil>google-chrome-unstable: Installed:
03:34<ml|>how is that?
03:34<craigevil>ml|: i had it disabled in xorg.conf but it seems to work fine not being disabled
03:35<ml|>yes, but doesn't use up resources?
03:35<craigevil>ml|: not bad it even supports flash and gecko-mediaplayer just no java
03:35<ml|>craigevil: ok thank you for the info
03:35<craigevil>figured out last night how to get it to use privoxy
03:36<ml|>no addons supported yet?
03:36<hackndoes>that's nice
03:36<craigevil>no only in windows, but it supports plugins
03:36<ml|>plugins = addons?
03:37<craigevil> /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome --enable-plugins , plugins, flash, gecko-mediaplayer everything but java
03:38<ml|>i doubt it but it will be nice if you can use adblock on it
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03:38<ml|>flashblock would be nice :)
03:38<craigevil>ml|: definitely for now i just set it to use privoxy
03:39<ml|>how does that compare to addblock?
03:39<craigevil>ok not quite as good but it blocks a lot of crap
03:40<ml|>nice :)
03:41<craigevil>If you want Chrome to use a proxy like privoxy just add the --proxy-server= when you launch it
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03:42<craigevil>so if you want to enable plugins and use a proxy you do something like > google-chrome --enable-plugins --proxy-server=
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03:47<hackndoes>guys, i have no icons for the task bar tasks and where do i do system settings like keyboard layout switching etc on lxde?
03:47<ml|>craigevil: good info for chome users :)
03:47<craigevil>ml|: chrome still crashes but it uses a lot less ram than iceweasel/firefox
03:48<ml|>even iceweasel 3.5.1?
03:49<craigevil>103m 15m S 4 21.0 12:47.86 firefox-bin of course it been open forever
03:50<ml|>i'm used to certain plugins hard for me to use anything else
03:50<ml|>yes! :)
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03:50<craigevil>hackndoes: install fbxkb or xkb for keyboard layouts no clue why you dont have icons on your panel
03:51<hackndoes>craigevil, so there is no desktop environment configuration like in gnome?
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03:52<craigevil>Appearance should be in the Settings or Preferences menu
03:52<southernc>craig what do you use as a desktop manager ?
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03:53<craigevil>lxde and slim for login manager
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03:55<hackndoes>craigevil, it's like i have the task on the task bar but they all appear with a default icon not the application icon itself. any reason?
03:55<hackndoes>you know of?
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03:55<southernc>need icon set ?
03:55<craigevil>you can change it , yes you probably need to install a different icon set
03:55<hackndoes>but every application comes with it's icon, like iceweasel
03:56<hackndoes>well how do i configure that
03:56<southernc>you would need to install a different icon set and i would assume use lxappearance to change your default
03:56<craigevil>find Appearance or launch lxappearance from alt-F2 and change your icons
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03:57<cem>mutlu gunler m'llet
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03:58<hackndoes>guys i do have system icons, i just don't have the small icon with the task. like if i run iceweasel, in the task bar there is the task but not the iceweasel "logo" while
03:58<hackndoes>for quick launch i have an icon
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03:58<southernc>cutout a postit note and stick it to your monitor (:0P
03:59<southernc>j/k errmm you tried updating your icons ?
04:00<hackndoes>southernc, is that meant for me?
04:00<craigevil>hackndoes: in your /home create a text filed called .gtkrc-2.0
04:00<southernc>hackndoes: yes i was joking
04:01<hackndoes>craigevil, and now what?
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04:01<craigevil>run lxappearance and pick the icon set you want
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04:02<craigevil>you can use gnome icons but not kde
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04:02<hackndoes>but i already done that
04:02<southernc>clear look ftw
04:02<hackndoes>i have icons for the system, only i don't have them for the tasks
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04:02<craigevil>do it again after you create the file
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04:03<craigevil>its a bug in the version of lxde thats in testing
04:03<hackndoes>well i created the file with touch, touch .gtkrc-2.0 in home dir
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04:03<hackndoes>then changed my icons
04:04<hackndoes>nothing happened, and the file is still empty as i created it
04:04<southernc>then prolly gotta restart x
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04:04<southernc>ctrl alt del
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04:04<craigevil>shouldnt have to, but maybe the lxde in testing is buggy crap like that is why i run sid
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04:04<hackndoes>ctrl alt del does nothing
04:04<southernc>of maybe doesnt support that
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04:05<craigevil>no its the new xorg :)
04:05<emdete>hi. i have serious filesystem problems (probably due to suspend/resume). the problem i have now is that several dpkg files are lost. is there a way to recover those (like /var/lib/dpkg/diversions and files in /var/lib/dpkg/info)?
04:05<southernc>have to manually add it in there ?
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04:05<hackndoes>ctrl alt backspace worked
04:05<harryantix>need help with antix
04:05<hackndoes>but still no icons for the tasks, how can i send prtscr?
04:06<craigevil>southernc: yes with Option "DontZap" "off" and sometimes with Option "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
04:06<hackndoes>craigevil, still nothing
04:06<southernc>yea thought i remeber reading about that now that i remeber
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04:07<craigevil>hackndoes: what icons are you trying to use?
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04:07<craigevil>try selecting gnome or tangerine if you have it installed
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04:08<southernc>he blew it up :(
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04:08<hackndoes>craigevil, nuovext2
04:08<southernc> < craigevil> try selecting gnome or tangerine if you have it installed
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04:09<hackndoes>selected gnome
04:09<hackndoes>it changes the quick launch icons etc but not the tasks, will restart x again
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04:09<craigevil>i use the nifty icon set from, shiny green folders
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04:10<hackndoes>guys it just doesn't help
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04:10<craigevil>hackndoes: post a screenshot
04:11<hackndoes>how should i do that?
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04:11<hackndoes>i mean, is there a pastebin like solution?
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04:12<craigevil>i use scrot its a cli app just do scrot -d 5 or just scrot
04:12<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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04:16<ml|>it's nice to have memtest working :)
04:17<hackndoes>look at the tasks icons
04:18<craigevil>the ones on the right? other than the panel plugins they depend on the app icons
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04:19<hackndoes>but those that are in the task cube itself
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04:19<hackndoes>those little gray and green windows like images
04:19<hackndoes>left to the text
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04:21<xeon-enouf>ml|: memtest? heh, now get memdisk to boot ;-P
04:21<craigevil>the image on the app? that should be whatever the icon for that app is
04:21<hackndoes>true, that's what i am saying yet you see that for xchat it's not the xchat icon
04:21<xeon-enouf>ml|: do you mean memtest86+?
04:21<hackndoes>it's a nothing
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04:22<southernc>hackndoes: try reinstall xchat and see if it fixes it
04:22<southernc>or something similiar
04:22<hackndoes>and iceweasel and everything else?
04:23<southernc>cause you did a weird upgrade/deupgrade
04:23<hackndoes>i didn't deupgrade
04:23<hackndoes>i am still in testing
04:23<ml|>xeon-enouf: of course :P
04:24<southernc>well just see if it corrects it by reinstalling like iceweasel or something
04:24<southernc>who knows
04:24<hackndoes>also, i have the startup programs from gnome setup starting here as well, how do i remove them only here?
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04:24<hackndoes>ok going for reinstall of xchat
04:24<hackndoes>back in a ew
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04:24<craigevil>hackndoes: no idea whats wrong either something with your upgrade or you are missing something
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04:25<hackndoes>no, not fixed
04:25<hackndoes>still same stinky window image
04:25<xeon-enouf>ml|: your RAM sucks?
04:26<craigevil>i only get that for apps that dont have a icon like when i do alt+f2 ,
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04:27<hackndoes>so how come it happens to me?
04:27<ml|>xeon-enouf: no just doing a test and nice to have it on boot menu
04:27<hackndoes>i also see you have firefox and not iceweasel
04:27<bash>does anyone know what the P4 package is for QTcreator?
04:27<craigevil>hackndoes: yes i got tired of waiting for iceweasel 3.5.1 and now firefox is at 3.5.2
04:27<bash>its for version control
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04:28<bash>unable to launch "p4":Unknown error
04:28<hackndoes>craigevil, do you have any ideas what should i do
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04:29<craigevil>hackndoes: nope trying looking through the lxde forum or the wiki
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04:30<bash>does anyone know what the P4 package is for QTcreator?
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04:33<southernc>lxde depends on lxshortcuts....
04:33<southernc>cannot install
04:34<craigevil>southernc: you can do one of 2 things grab lxshortcut from or add Andrew Lee's repo to your sources.list
04:35<craigevil>or wait a few days until it hits sid
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04:35<southernc>whats andrew lee's repo ?
04:35<craigevil>hes the lxde maintainer, before he became a debian dev he had his own lxde repo
04:36<craigevil>deb ./ only things in it now are lxtask, lxshortcut and sakura
04:36<craigevil>once everything is in sid he will probably stop using it, he's only been a DD since June or July
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04:40<southernc>~any idea where you get the key from ?
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04:43<craigevil>gpg --keyserver --recv 9D0633E1B6250985
04:44<southernc>hmm thankyou
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04:44<craigevil>gpg --export --armor 9D0633E1B6250985 | apt-key add -
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04:49<bartm>I need help from xchat users for
04:49<bartm>where in xchat do I find "user-defined icons in userlist" ?
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04:59<ml|>craigevil: sakura is a nice terminal, didn't notice it was in the repos
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05:00<ml|>yup not in debian must only in his repo correct?
05:00<craigevil>yes so far
05:01<ml|>when used arch i used sakura :)
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05:03<ml|>craigevil: if you don't mind, please let me know when the change over occurs?
05:03<craigevil>you can keep an eye on his packages>
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05:04<ml|>ok thanks
05:05<craigevil>sakura hasnt even made it into the New queue not sure why
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05:29<wekt>What are good documents to learn about using deb-src related tools?
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05:30<dcorking>i downloaded a lisp package whose asd is not compatible with Debian's common-lisp-controller. How can I bypass clc?
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05:30<Tinctorius>hai gaize
05:31<Tinctorius>I'm trying to do a fresh install of Debian Lenny on my PC, but my setup is being a bitch
05:31<Tinctorius>I only have SATA disks (sda, sdb, sdc), so installing from a USB drive screws up everything
05:31<Tinctorius>any ideas?
05:32<handjob>Good morning gentleman. Don't loath couse what i am about to ask may seem funny (it's one of thoes post friday mind eclipses) : how can one copy two files at once using 'cp' command?
05:32<Tinctorius>handjob: cp [list of files] [destination directory]
05:32<Tinctorius>cp foo bar baz some_directory
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05:33<handjob>Tinctorius, Thank. What bugs me is why tab auto filling does not work in secound element ? eg : cp lol (works) dongs (does not).
05:33<Bimbo>Hello. I'm know to debian and the communication culture like irc and pidgin. I like to install pidgin to be better connected with my friends. An "apt-cache --names-only search pidgin" shows me a lot of possible packages to install. Which one you can recommended me -- ok. the package pidgin I will install. But there are more.
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05:33<wekt>Tinctorius: why does it not work?
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05:34<Tinctorius>handjob: wouldn't know, it often just works for me
05:34<handjob>wekt, sadly not.
05:34<Tinctorius>handjob: it could be that it only understands you if the second argument is a possible directory, but that'd be stupid
05:35<handjob>Tinctorius, I totaly agree it would not be wise.
05:35<wekt>cp --target-directory=DIRECTORY
05:35<Tinctorius>handjob: but it does that for some viewers too. For instance, the first argument of evince only tab completes if it's something "possibly readable" for evince, solely based on its extension
05:36<Tinctorius>and extensions are Bad
05:36<wekt>Tinctorius: I also have SATA and was able to install from USB by putting an ISO image on a second partition of the USB Drive.
05:37<Tinctorius>for me, it installs grub on the USB disk
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05:37<Tinctorius>could retry it with setting the USB disk to ro instead of rw
05:37<handjob>Ah i am stupid - the problem is solved. I thought that auto filling will also work in case of cp /path/to/one-doc 2nd-doc /path/to.
05:37<Tinctorius>ah :P
05:37<Tinctorius>handjob: cp /path/to/{one-doc,2nd-doc} /path/to/new
05:37<handjob>Sorry for wasting your time gentleman.
05:38<wekt>Tinctorius: maybe i had a problem w/grub. i don't recall.
05:38<Tinctorius>automatically expands to /path/to/one-doc /path/to/2nd-doc
05:38<handjob>Tinctorius, didn't knew you can do that.Thank you!
05:38<Tinctorius>handjob: try it -- using echo of course, not cp ;)
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05:42<Tinctorius>wekt: but it's pretty hard to reformat a USB disk under Windows XP and up
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05:42<Tinctorius>wekt: it marks it as an "active partition"
05:42<Tinctorius>and apparently there's no standard way of solving that, other than installing a custom formatting tool
05:42<Tinctorius>s/custom/3rd party/
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05:48<Tinctorius>brb fuxxing up my complete setup to get Debian working
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05:50<dcorking>someone at Freenode#lisp is helping with my common-lisp-controller problem - please ignore
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06:00<wekt>It looked like someone had addressed me, but when I went to look, Xorg crashed. Maybe it was a response to my question of sources to learn about using deb-src?
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06:10<Chrisssssssss>Hi. I have a problem with mdadm. Three of my five disks in the array have a different events count than the last two and i am having a hard time to assemble the array because of that. Is there a way to reset the events count in a safe way so i can start the array again?
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06:25<Abs0luT>i have problem. i installed sudo configurated for root user and when run terminal in winscp and i want to run .sh files it says access denied
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06:29<Chrisssssssss>do they have the execute flag?
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06:40<jubuntu>la polla
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07:26<valdyn>Chrisssssssss: --assume-clean or somesuch
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07:26<valdyn>Chrisssssssss: see the manpage
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07:36<tomj>Hi i just installed Debian Lenny on my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop. Im able to ping websites but they are not opening in the browser.
07:37<tomj>My NIC is Marvell Yukon 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller
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07:37<tomj>any way to fix this ?
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07:41<dr|z3d>tomj: Which browser?
07:41<dr|z3d>If you can ping sites, your nic is fine.
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07:41<tomj>dr|z3d: i tried both Iceweasel and the default browser
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07:43<tomj>the progressbar shows some content is loading but the webpage does not open
07:43<tomj>occasionally the homepage opened but apart from that no other webpage comes up, but im able to ping their urls
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07:44<tomj>to i need to install any drivers ?
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07:45<dr|z3d>You've got net access, of sorts. So, no.
07:45<dr|z3d>Can you install midori and see if that fares any better. aptitude install midori
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07:46<tomj>dr|z3d: k..ill try that
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07:46<bremner>tomj: httping can measure the network lag to a website. aptitude install httping && httping
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07:47<tomj>bremner: ok
07:48<bremner>of course, aptitude might need the same network tubes...
07:48<stepomaticc>tomj: try a traceroute, check your gateway: netstat -rn
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07:49<tomj>stepomaticc: ok..will do that too
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08:00<Plorf>hi there
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08:07<stepomaticc>Plorf: salut
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08:16<Plorf>i've got a damn bug in sid, my laptop running quite well under testing but while going into sid (then i thought only the kernel release is changed), gdm/xorg crash, it seems than a font bug, it crash when i began to write my username at the first character, and if i click somewhere in order to open another window (like language selection) it crash too. any ideas ?
08:17<Plorf>damn :(
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08:26<bremner>Plorf: check the BTS
08:26<bremner>Plorf: PS, as you can see, sid changes more than just the kernel
08:26<bremner>unfortunately downgrading is not easy
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08:30<wekt>problems in sid may notbe in BTS.
08:30<wekt>Plorf: does it crash reliably ?
08:30<wekt>Plorf: reproducibly?
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08:31<wekt>Plorf: My Xorg crashes to in testing. I'm using the Intel server. and you?
08:31<Plorf>yes it crash everytime
08:31<Plorf>(sorry i'm eating :/)
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08:31<Plorf>BTS ?
08:31<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
08:32<Plorf>i'm intel too, amd64
08:32<Plorf>i check there but find nothing
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08:35<wekt>Plorf: It crashes every time at the same time when you do the same thing? And that thing you do is type a certain character?
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08:40<ykatchou>sorry :/ disconnection
08:40<ykatchou> then
08:40<ykatchou>14:37 < Plorf> it crash in some cases : when i type something, nothing appears it crash just (before typing i can do ctrl+alt+F1 and go into a shell), if i put on autologin it crash too, it i click on a link below the screen it crash too while trying to open a window
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08:40<wekt>Where does the XServer log go?
08:40<ykatchou>nothing at all :(
08:40<ykatchou>i've got some warnings about xkb
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08:41<wekt>ykatchou: are you plorf?
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08:41<Plorf>sorry XD
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08:42<wekt>There are some bug entries about crashes here:
08:44<wekt>I see 2 about "Fatal Server Error: lockup" appearing in the log. We should check the logs next time.
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08:45<Plorf>for me the weird point is, it runs under testing but not under sid....
08:46<Plorf>on the same laptop, i boot under sid it crash, but like now if i boot under testing kernel it runs...
08:46<wekt>Plorf: your crash seems different than mine.
08:46<azeem_>Plorf: sid is unstable
08:46<azeem_>so that something is broken in sid is not exactly weird
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08:47<Plorf>of course, but i don't see where the difference is between sid and testing on the same computers... libs are the same isn't it ?
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08:49<Plorf>it's a macbook intel, so the intel chipstet is i3180 or something like this
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08:54<Plorf>i've to leave, but i'll check asap and give feedbacks :)
08:54<Plorf>see ya
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08:56<amitav>I have a minimal install iso with me but my friend has finished blank cds. So I am trying to install using my USB stick of 2 bg. Can I get the boot.img.gz, initrd.gz and vmlinuz files in the iso?
09:00<amitav>correct me if I am wrong anywhere
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09:02<Gompile>I installed proftpd
09:02<Gompile>but users cannot connect
09:03<Gompile>I have authuserfile on /etc/passwd en requirevalidshell off
09:03<Gompile>the users their homedir is reachable, in samba it works
09:03<Gompile>what could this be ?
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09:06<amitav> says I need those 3 files only thats why I asked abt them
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09:09<Staale>I have a wireless router on my network with it's own network and dhcp. How can I route from the server, through the router to devices connected to the router?
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09:09<Staale>I have tried to do: sudo route add -net <network> gw <ip of router from my dhcp>
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09:12<yq>anyone can help me solve network problem?
09:13<shay>you wont get far if you just ask to ask
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09:14<yq>i have a ibm thinkpad t43 with a netxtrem bcm5751 network interface card
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09:14<yq>after install debian 5 ,i can't get on internet
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09:15<abrotman>yq: lspci -nn .. what is the pciid ?
09:15<Gompile>anybody here with proftpd knowledge ?
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09:15<Gompile>basic proftpd user authencation knowledge....
09:16<yq>what is pciid ?
09:16<yq>i'm new to debian
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09:16<shay>next time google it yoruself
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09:17<ps0>H8 JEWS!!!!!!!
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09:17<shay>h8 retards...
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09:19<yq>does 2.6.82 support broadcom netxtrem bcm5751?
09:20<abrotman>yq: the pciid is the xxxx:xxxx toward the end of the line
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09:27<hackndoes>i am trying to make a shift to lxde but have one small problem, on the lxpanel the applications task has no icon
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09:29<Gompile>anybody here with proftpd knowledge ?
09:30<Gompile>basic proftpd user authencation knowledge....
09:30<bremner>!tell Gompile -about ask
09:30<Gompile>I installed proftpd
09:30<Gompile>but users cannot connect
09:30<Gompile>I have authuserfile on /etc/passwd en requirevalidshell off
09:30<Gompile>the users their homedir is reachable, in samba it works
09:31<frank>i used update-initramfs to generate an initrd, but the modules.dep is not included, howto include this file in the initrd?
09:31<abrotman>Gompile: did you check the proftpd log ?
09:32<Gompile>I tried couldnt find logfiles so I just started proftpd in interactive mode
09:32<Gompile>it says user not found
09:32<Gompile>if I enable authuser file /etc/passwd it says password incorrect
09:33<Gompile>but the users are set up right in passwd ... they have shell access and samba access
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09:34<Gompile>doesnt proftpd use the standard passwd if authuserfile is disabled?
09:34<Gompile>and if not how do I add users to proftpd
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09:37<eeeuser>Dumb q. #4: Is there a quick way to rebuild a deb package when all you did was change the control file. I am fixing lintian errors in a little package, and am kinda new to the process.
09:38<Gompile>remove and reinstall the package
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09:38<Gompile>or dpkg-reconfigure I guess
09:38<bremner>eeeuser: debuild
09:39<bremner>Gompile: are there any hints in /usr/share/doc/proftpd ?
09:40<Gompile>bremner there is no usr/share/doc dir
09:40<Gompile>at least not here
09:40<bremner>every debian package installs something into /usr/share/doc/packagename, even if it is only "copyright"
09:41<bremner>maybe the package name is something different?
09:41<bremner>I guess /usr/share/doc/proftpd-basic
09:42<Gompile>well to be perfectly honest.. am not on a debian box ... busybox is installed here but I can't find any real livesupport fot it
09:42<Gompile>I figured since it probably is a proftpd related problem u guys can help
09:42<eeeuser>bremner: what provides debuild? apt-file does't show any binaries... only /usr/share..
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09:42<OdyX>bremner: changelog.Debian also, huh ?
09:43<bremner>Gompile: well, that will make everybody here pretty pissed off at you
09:43<bremner>eeeuser: devscripts I believe
09:43<eeeuser>Oh. Typo I see. debbuild vs debuild.
09:43<bremner>OdyX: err, yes. Or maybe it is just called changelog sometimes.
09:44<Gompile>bremner : is that true ?
09:44<OdyX>I thought that having it named as changelog.Debian was mandatory (at least dh doest it like that)
09:44<OdyX>anyway, not an issue...
09:44<bremner>Gompile: for one thing, giving your decent help is impossible since we don't know how proftpd is configured in your environment
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09:45<bremner>Gompile: for another, people volunteer their time to help Debian, not replace your ISPs helpdesk.
09:45<Gompile>bremner : hmm you might have a point there.. sorry
09:45<bremner>Gompile: maybe you can find a proftpd specific list/channel
09:46<bremner>Gompile: but make sure you tell them _everything_ about your environment
09:46<Gompile>bremner thanks.. you happen to know an irc server where I could find such channel ?
09:46<gsimmons>Gompile: #proftpd on
09:46<Gompile>gsimmons thanks
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10:04<hackndoes>i am trying to make a shift to lxde but have one small problem, on the lxpanel the applications task has no icon
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10:06<Aleric>What can play ogg vorbis sound files?
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10:08<cahoot>any musicålayer on a linux dist I'd say
10:08<dr|z3d>Aleric: Most stuff should be able to; try exaile, perhaps.
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10:09<Aleric>cahoot: I tried aplay ... didn't work :p
10:10<cahoot>alay isn't a musicplayer
10:10<dcorking>I got torta working with debian common-lisp-controller - details on #lisp
10:10<cahoot>it can handle wavs though
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10:14<dcorking>cahoot: videolan client, or rhythmbox
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10:19<Aleric>exaile couldn't do it
10:19<Aleric>Is there some utility that can play .ogg from the commandline?
10:19<dcorking>Aleric, videolan client, or rhythmbox . If must have console try mp3blaster
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10:21<Aleric>ogg123 was it.
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10:48<wekt>Aleric: alsaplayer
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11:08<farhad>hi , how can i install nvidia-glx-legacy-173-xx ? it has dependency problems , i read an article about installing nvidia-kernel with m-a but it was about nvidia-glx and i dont know how can i do this for nvidia-glx-legacy
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11:19<francesco>there are someone there?
11:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:19<francesco>i want to speak about kde 4.3 and lenny
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11:21<francesco>i want to know if there are kde 4.3 packages for lenny
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11:21<dpkg>[kde] K Desktop Environment, based on the Qt toolkit. See for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get KDE, ask me about <install kde>. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (, see also <kde_trouble>. KDE-related IRC channels:
11:21<rjent>Greetings, I am attempting to get the d-i partman-auto to install debian on the partition space after WinXP for dual boot. This is a reference of my info
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11:21<rjent>Will that config do as I expect?
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11:24<edbian>I have a strange issue. I have 2 identical cd-drives in my debian PC. In Computer there is only 1 drive listed (I think they are probing as the exact same thing and confusing the system). If I put in two different CD's then a second drive comes up with a (2): added in the title
11:27<bja>edbian: What wm are you using?
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11:35<yq>i get a problem,when i boot debian from harddrive, ifconfig give me a wrong mac address of my eth card,but if i boot from live cd,ifconfig will give me the correct mac address ,can anyone help me solve this problem?
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11:37<SuperMiguel>besides firefox does any of u guys run any other program completelly in ram?
11:37<SuperMiguel>like this: for another program?
11:37<tuxcrafter>hi all i am tryuing to create 32MB partion but fdisk fails on me can somebody help me?
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11:39<yq>what's this
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11:44<tuxcrafter>wrong channel i wanted to post it on #debian
11:44<abrotman>tuxcrafter: you are in #debian
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11:50<sHyLoCk>Hi! When I close iceweasel the firefox-bin process keeps on running. I cat open a new browser window unles i do killall firefox-bin or remove the .parentlock. Any ideas?
11:51<olet>how long have you waited?
11:51<sHyLoCk>about 3-5mins once
11:52<sHyLoCk>and the next time i just waited the entire session without killing it
11:53<sHyLoCk>these are the addons i have Adblock Plus 1.1, DownThem All 1.1.4, FEBE 6.2, Flashgot, OmpLoader 0.2.9, user Agent Switcher 0.7.2
11:53<slash111>go up to the panel pres right click and the ADD, system monitor, then click in it, and a windows hould be appear, search the proces and kill it
11:53<yq>i boot debian from harddrive, ifconfig give me a wrong mac address of my eth card,but if i boot from live cd,ifconfig will give me the correct mac address ,can anyone help me solve this problem?
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11:54<tuxcrafter>abrotman: /me seems i am loosing it :D
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11:55<sHyLoCk>slash111: yeah i can kill it alright, but to do it everytime is tedious
11:55<tuxcrafter>btw i solved my partion issue >
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12:08*davi is compiling IceCat
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12:12<abrotman>you can msg the bot
12:12<tuxcrafter>abrotman: can you show me an example? /msg dpkg ??
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12:13<abrotman>tuxcrafter: /msg dpkg foo
12:15<tuxcrafter>deb stable main contrib non-free
12:15<tuxcrafter>so that should be engoung for a system with all updates to stable?
12:15<tuxcrafter>no other stable repos needed ?
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12:17<dpkg>Put "deb lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude dist-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>.
12:17<OdyX>tuxcrafter: you need that one
12:19<crash_>what is the diff between apt-get update and aptitude update? it does the samething right?
12:19<dpkg>[aptitude] a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see
12:20<OdyX>crash_: they do not share the same dependency resolver
12:20<crash_>oh i see
12:20<OdyX>!tell crash_ about why aptitude
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12:21<crash_>Thank you OdyX :D
12:21<crash_>i have another question for you, how well supported is wifi over wpa in the debian installer?
12:22<abrotman>i odn't think it is in the installer
12:22<abrotman>and it would depend if your hardware needs firmware anyways
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12:22<OdyX>afaik, not in the installer...
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12:23<jon_davis>does any-one know how i can make all the chatrooms work.i cant seem to get in to all of them
12:23<jon_davis>yes or some
12:23<crash_>ok i see, So i need to install debian from cd first and then i can get the wifi over wpa after the firstboot up and running?
12:23<cahoot>I thought noone in a chatroom actually worked
12:23<abrotman>jon_davis: using which IRC client?
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12:24<jon_davis>or love/sex chatrooms
12:24<abrotman>jon_davis: how is this related to Debian ?
12:24<jon_davis>i not sure where to go
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12:24<jon_davis>i want to know
12:25<OdyX>crash_: better run the install with wired internet...
12:25<abrotman>this channel is for Debian support
12:25<locklace>!lart jon_davis
12:25*dpkg holds jon_davis to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails
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12:25<jon_davis>look i like to talk. and i want to know where to go
12:25<crash_>OdyX, I only have wifi here at my home, but maybe i can share the internet connection from my ws through wired just for the install part.
12:26<jon_davis>tell me where to go
12:26<abrotman>not here ...
12:26<jon_davis>tell me where to go'
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12:26<jon_davis> i want to know
12:27<OdyX>crash_: the other solution might be to temporarily disable wifi encryption (replace it by mac-address filtering e.g.) for the install
12:27<abrotman>how the hell would we know .. just use google to find an irc channel/server for your needs
12:27<OdyX>jon_davis: #dev-null
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12:27<OdyX>jon_davis: its a place for people who like to talk
12:27<jon_davis>what irc chatroom do i go to to just talk and have fun
12:27<OdyX>jon_davis: don't forget to quit this channel afterwards..
12:27<crash_>OdyX, Yeah i can turn of the wifi encryption and make it open just for the install
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12:29<jon_davis>i dont see the irc chatrooms that yall r talking about
12:30<abrotman>jon_davis: please go use google .. this has nothing to do with Debian
12:30<OdyX>jon_davis: type "/join #dev-null"
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12:30<abrotman>OdyX: you're not helping .. he'll just end up back here
12:30<OdyX>true abrotman
12:31<jon_davis>i want real irc chatroom to here i dont to need to ask for just help
12:31<jon_davis>now tell me where to go
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12:31<coolcubix>that's what happens when xchat defaults to #debian :)
12:31<valdyn>on ubuntu
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12:32<jon_davis>dont just tell me here and what chatroom to go to and there is notthing there
12:32<jon_davis>i want to know tell me plese
12:33<valdyn>jon_davis: we are not the yellow pages
12:33<valdyn>jon_davis: please take the advice you got -> use google
12:33<jon_davis>i dont care
12:33*OdyX votes for jon_davis being a bot
12:33<jon_davis>yall know the best irc chatrooms
12:33<valdyn>!ops jon_davis
12:33<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: valdyn complains about: jon_davis
12:33<bremner>no, we only know lame ones like this
12:33-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
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12:33<abrotman>jon_davis: you've been silenced for 10 minutes, please go use google to find chat rooms
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12:36<bremner>I wonder if we should point people to (that is a recommendation from another channel topic)
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12:38<abrotman>bremner: oddly google "search irc chat rooms" .. first link
12:40<bremner>abrotman: yeah, but half the time the first hit in google is a nest of spam :)
12:40<slash111>hello, i got an amd64 prossesor, and ubuntu 64bit OS, but i dont know if is better install a OS like a 32bits
12:41<abrotman>slash111: install debian 32 or 64 you mean?
12:41<Myon>there is little difference
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12:41<Myon>unless you have a 32bit-only application, switching won't change anything
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12:41<bremner>or you have more than 4G of memory
12:42<abrotman>bremner: not true
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12:42<slash111>now i got ubuntu, but i want to install debian
12:42<bremner>abrotman: you refer to PAE?
12:43<dpkg>For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need hacks like bigmem.
12:43<Guest204>i know how to mount my lvm partitions but the way i learn things is by first learning how to do things then understanding how/why it works, so my question is when my mount my home partition why must i do?: mount /dev/mapper/debian-home /mnt/debian-home instead of mount /mnt/debian-home (i noticed that all the lvm partitions have /dev/mapper/ but I just do not know why)
12:44<bremner>abrotman: "but with additional CPU overhead" :)
12:44<abrotman>bremner: or use the -amd64 ?
12:44<Guest204>o wait i think i no the answer
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12:44<abrotman>slash111: if you have binary-only 32bit software, the 32bit version is probably more ideal
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12:44<Guest204>/dev/mapper/debian-home is where the partition is and i want to mount it in /mnt/debian-home?
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12:46<Guest204>abrotman, source code is not architecture specific, right?
12:46<slash111>my computer is amd 64, but is better install in it an 32 OS or 64 OS?
12:46<abrotman>Guest204: wasn't referring to your question
12:46<abrotman>slash111: if you have binary-only 32bit software, the 32bit version is probably more ideal
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12:46<Guest204>abrotman, i know but i just wanted to know
12:46<abrotman>Guest204: the code can have architecture specific sections
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12:48<Guest204>abrotman, ya but thats like stuff that like control CPU multipliers and that kind of software not things like pidgin, right?
12:48<abrotman>why wouldn't it be possible?
12:48<Guest204>u mean to have pidgin architecture-specific code?
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12:51<Guest204>fglrx-driver is proprietary...does anyone know why debian packages has the fglrx-driver source code??? if it's not the lack of source code, then what is it that makes fglrx-driver proprietary??
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12:51<Guest204>or non-free to use debian's terms
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12:55<mikekn>hello,i just installed lenny on my machine,but when i start it, i get at a login shell, no GUI
12:55<mikekn>i remember that i have installed the desktop too
12:56<mikekn>i tried startx as root, but it says command not found
12:56<mikekn>please help
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13:03<southernc>good morning ml|
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13:06<ml|>does reportbug keep a log of what it sends out? or someway to verify that it went out, i did receive a successful message at the end of the process, also i looked thru the logs and i see no error messages, used it to report a bug a day ago and still have not received an email, i remember the process not taking this long
13:06<ml|>southernc: hello
13:07<abrotman>don't tihnk it does .. did you check your mailq to see if it actually went ?
13:09<southernc>ml whats the command to force a removal of a installed package
13:10<southernc>yea that aint working
13:10<abrotman>that's not how you force a removal
13:10<abrotman>southernc: put the errors in
13:11<southernc>wish i could i cant even install elinks
13:11<abrotman>w3m already installed ?
13:12<southernc>not sure how i can paste an error from a tty to w3m though
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13:12<ml|>yeah -f is not for that sorry, got it mixed up with something else
13:13<dpkg>Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe>
13:13<abrotman>or use #flood
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13:14<southernc>well the problem is everytime i try and install something it tries to automatically remove fglrx-driver fglrx-glx and it keeps giving me diversion errors
13:15<southernc>so it wont allow me to install
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13:18<southernc>no diversion 'diversion of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/ by fglrx-driver. none removed also same output it gives for
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13:19<ml|>abrotman: thanks just checked mailq and it tells me it's 'frozen' looking at manpage, trying to understand what that means
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13:20<ml|>southernc: is this a new install?
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13:21<ml|>lenny was up to date before you did this?
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13:21<southernc>problem being it wont remove fglrx if i could do that i could figure out something else
13:22<southernc>the correct syntax for dpkg-force remove package ?
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13:22<ml|>aptitude purge does not work?
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13:23<southernc>same error
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13:25<ml|>dunno, never had to do anything like that
13:25<southernc>arent you lucky :)
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13:26<southernc>!dpkg force remove
13:26<dpkg>i guess force remove is 'dpkg -P nagios-common'; if no joy, 'dpkg -L nagios-common' this will give you a list of files to delete when the next step is done. Go to /var/lib/dpkg/info and 'rm nagios-common.postrm' && 'apt-get remove --purge nagios-common'. Remove listed files (dpkg -L) and report a bug if it is the case.
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13:30<southernc>well that fixed that peroblem :)
13:31<ml|>!congratulate southernc
13:31<dpkg>Yay southernc, you did it!
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13:31<Abs0luT>can u tell me whats the difference between vps and dedicated servers
13:32<dr|z3d>Abs0luT: Price, usually.
13:32<dr|z3d>And performance.
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13:32<Abs0luT>ex. i want to run cs server
13:32<Abs0luT>better would be dedicated ?
13:32<dr|z3d>Indeed it would.
13:33<Abs0luT>thanks indeed :)
13:33<dr|z3d>With a VPS, you're sharing your server with other users.
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13:33<dr|z3d>Or rather, you're sharing the host server.
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13:33<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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13:37<Abs0luT>Windows web server the OS for only web hosting purpose ?
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13:40<yang>I have a problem using ZTE HSDPA modem, does anyone have experience with it to make it work ?
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13:42<abrotman>yang: please don't ask both networks
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13:47<drakeman>hey is normal when i put a video in youtube fullscreen, hq, or hd, doesnt run 100% smootly,? i notice some glitches i guess, or very little slowdowns in the videos.
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13:48<dr|z3d>drakeman: That's not unheard of.. what's your pc's spec?
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13:49<ml|>drakeman: problably your pc can't keep up, flash is horrible
13:49<drakeman>dr|z3d, Amd Athlon 64 3500+, 2gb ram, Nvidia Gforce 8400GS, 200GBHDD
13:49<ml|>that should work just fine
13:49<yang>drakeman: full HD requires a fast CPU
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13:50<drakeman>yang, yes, but inside my other os M$ the videos runs great
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13:50<drakeman>when i put a DVD movie into vlc and set to fullscreen it runs smootlhly, pefectly
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13:50<drakeman>and i dont think and youtube video have more queality than a DVD
13:50<ml|>drakeman: using adobe's flash?
13:51<drakeman>ml|, thes, the nonfree plugin
13:51<drakeman>and opera!
13:51<dr|z3d>drakeman: If you download a flashvideo and play it locally, do you still get glitches in fullscreen?
13:51<drakeman>same problem with firefox!
13:51<drakeman>dr|z3d, never try that before.
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13:51<dr|z3d>drakeman: About time you did ;)
13:51<ml|>dr|z3d: thinking some network issue?
13:51<drakeman>dr|z3d, but i can do it, and tell you the results.
13:51<drakeman>mmm i always wait the video loads completely then play
13:52<dr|z3d>ml|: Yeah, probably network congestion.
13:52<dr|z3d>Oh, you wait for the stream to load? Ok.
13:52<drakeman>and like a said, in my other HDD inside M$ dont have that problem!
13:52<dr|z3d>Flashvideo in the browser is often less than optimal, that much I can tell you.
13:52<ml|>hmm, but ayways flash is horrible
13:53<drakeman>so, for me is not a big deal, or big problem, just askin if that is a normal condition for the adobe plugin,
13:53<danger>Not sure if it's the right place to discuss it, I was just wondering what everyone's reaction to the news Ubuntu will provide more staff to help out with Debian as reported by the Register?
13:53<drakeman>danger, you can discuss in #debian-offtopic :D
13:53<dr|z3d>danger: Not the right place to ask. You want to start a flamewar?!
13:54<danger>Sorry no, was just interested :(
13:54<ml|>I think #debian-offtopic is the place for that
13:54<drakeman>dr|z3d, anyways im going to download the video and wil try it in fullscreen
13:54<dr|z3d>danger: any time you mention ubuntu in here, be prepared for flak.
13:55<danger>pfft seems a bit silly but nevermind
13:55<ml|> /j #debian-offtopic others might join
13:55<dr|z3d>Sure, sure.. it probably is, but still.
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13:57<drakeman>well, im going to make the test.. see you guys
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14:05<farhad>on debian sid , i'm trying to enable desktop effects on kde 4.3.0 , but it fails to start , output of glxinfo : , nvidia driver : 173.14.20 , what can i do?
14:06<Jflesch>farhad: in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, make sure that you're using the driver "nvidia" and not "nv"
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14:08<farhad>ok , i changed that now, brb
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14:13<ga_bash>hello guys I am using debian lenny and apache server but whenever I am trying to execute the cgi programs it only shows the source code. I have already set the execute permissions
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14:15<dr|z3d>ga_bash: Add cgi support to your apache conf.
14:15<dr|z3d>ga_bash: Plenty of help online that will tell you how to do that.
14:15<bja>ga_bash: do you have the module for your cgi like perl or python?
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14:16<farhad>hi again
14:16<farhad>Jflesch: thx , it is working now ,
14:16<Jflesch>farhad: you're welcome
14:17<farhad>but there's another problem now! :D , system tray icons are gone :P
14:17<ga_bash>dr|z3d, I have configured the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default and the cgi options are enabled
14:17<ga_bash>bja, yes I have the perl module for the cgi
14:18<dr|z3d>ga_bash: Did you restart Apache thereafter?
14:18<Jflesch>farhad: last time I tried KDE4, it was a little bit buggy on my computer, usually at the next start of KDE4 it was fine
14:18<ga_bash>dr|z3d, oh the default settings were cgi-enabled
14:18<Jflesch>(I mean the systray was a little bit buggy, not the whole KDE4 :)
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14:20<dr|z3d>ga_bash: Running cgi from cgi-bin, or outside of that dir?
14:20<ga_bash>dr|z3d, <Directory "/usr/lib/cgi-bin">
14:20<ga_bash> AllowOverride None
14:20<ga_bash> Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch
14:20<ga_bash> Order allow,deny
14:20<ga_bash> Allow from all
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14:21<ga_bash>dr|z3d, I put the cgi script into /usr/lib/cgi-bin/
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14:21<ga_bash>and then called from my browser
14:21<farhad>Jflesch: you know , before installing nvidia driver from repository , i have had installed it in nvidia way , and had this problem that time :P i thought it is from xorg/xserv , so i downgraded them , but now it seems that it is an nvidia bug :P
14:21<ga_bash>dr|z3d, and it shows the source code only...
14:22<dr|z3d>Yeah, sure.. you haven't configured apache correctly. That's the issue.
14:22<dr|z3d>#apache on is probably your best bet.. I'm a bit too busy to google on your behalf :)
14:23<ga_bash>dr|z3d, thanks.
14:23<ga_bash>i would check #apache
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14:24<southernc>anyone know why windows lag so bad l;ike when moving them etc ? could this be a xorg problem using ati propriety
14:24<tuxcrafter>hi all how can i get the powerbutton of a system shutdown the machine when it is a server no user loged in no hal running
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14:24<dr|z3d>southernc: Running a compisiting engine there?
14:24<tuxcrafter>how can i map the button to something in inittab?
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14:25<southernc>you mean do i have composite enabled ?
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14:25<dr|z3d>Yes. Is your desktop compositor-enabled?
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14:25<dr|z3d>Be it Compiz or a DE's compositor.
14:26<southernc>i using default kde and in xorg composite is disabled cause if i enable it i have no title bars on windows
14:26<southernc>its definately not a hardware issue
14:26<dr|z3d>Right, well, you'd need to reload your window manager for that.
14:26<dr|z3d>(Loss of window furniture).
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14:26<southernc>i have
14:26<dr|z3d>As for lag, blame your drivers, I guess.
14:27<dr|z3d>You might also try a lighter DE, see if that helps.
14:27<dr|z3d>Xfce I recommend.
14:28<southernc>i dont think thats the problem as im using a hd4850 a quadcore Q660 6 gigs of ddr3 ram
14:28<danger>Your using DDRIII wih a Q6600?
14:28<dr|z3d>Hmm. Possibly not, then. In which case, drivers, drivers, drivers!
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14:29<southernc>ddr3 1600
14:29<dr|z3d>There might be some xorg tweaks you can pull off to make things faster.. google around.
14:30<southernc>mm yea ive looked doesnt seem to be much up to date info
14:30<southernc>maybe ill try the opensource one and see how well that works
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14:30<southernc>it worked completely the opposite before i upgraded
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14:38<salmin>anybody alive?
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14:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
14:40<salmin>i'm just kind of looking for an advice
14:41<salmin>copy paste is broken on my sid system
14:41<salmin>it isn't connected to any specific application or window-manager or deskop environment
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14:41<salmin>thus I don't know where to report it
14:41<salmin>i can copy-paste inside one application
14:42<salmin>even for instance between different konsole windows
14:42<salmin>but when i try to copy something in one application and paste it in another it fails
14:42<salmin>is it an Xorg bug or what&
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14:42<salmin>looks wierd to me
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14:43<Hideo>salmin: try hilighting/selecting the text in one application, go to the other application, press shift+insert or middle mouse button
14:43<salmin>that doesn't work
14:43<salmin>i'm using linux for five years
14:43<wekt>salmin: could you very well not run sid?
14:44<salmin>actually i like
14:44<wekt>salmin: tried it in testing?
14:44<salmin>_lke it
14:44<Hideo>salmin: oh, nvm then
14:44<salmin>actually not
14:44<salmin>i mean
14:44<salmin>it's ok for me to encouter bug
14:44<salmin>sometimes i even fix them
14:44<wekt>salmin: you can try running klipper
14:45<salmin>but broken copy-paste - i'm kind of surprised
14:45<Hideo>salmin: I run sid too, although I don't use kde, and copy+paste works fine
14:45<Hideo>have you tried it with another wm
14:46<Hideo>just to see if it works?
14:46<salmin>i tried it with twm
14:46<Hideo>no go either?
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14:47<salmin>i see now
14:47<Hideo>it works?
14:47<salmin>it doesn't work when i try to copy from kde-application
14:47<salmin>i can copy from iceweasel to konsole but not backwards
14:48<salmin>same with dolphin
14:48<salmin>and any other kde-application
14:48<Hideo>so it's kde-related?
14:48<salmin>it seems that way now
14:49<Hideo>then how come it didn't work with twm?
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14:49<salmin>i mean
14:49<Hideo>or just kde apps
14:49<salmin>it's related to applications from kde, not to window-managet itself
14:49<Hideo>ah I see
14:50<salmin>i think i'll try to report it to kde maintainers
14:50<salmin>it's good to explain something - you can understand it yourself :)
14:50<Hideo>yeah, :)
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14:55<salmin>my "reportbug"
14:55<salmin>is broken!
14:55<salmin>how should i report THAT bug :)))
14:56<Hideo>or just old fashion email :P
14:56<abrotman>or reportbug ?
14:56<Hideo>which is broken?
14:57<salmin>i know actually, i'm just kind of amazed
14:57<salmin>not lucky today
14:57<salmin>ia32-libs are broken
14:58<salmin>wine and flashplayer-mozilla are broken as well since they are 32bit
14:58<salmin>copy-paste (for god's sake, COPY-PASTE) is broken
14:58<salmin>and now it is reportbug
14:58<salmin>what's next? :)
14:59<abrotman>there is a 64bit flash
14:59<salmin>from adobe, right
14:59<salmin>iceweasel crashes when i open gmail
14:59<salmin>with this plugin
15:00<salmin>it reminds me a story about a good friend of mine, a freebsd developer
15:00<salmin>he was so unpleased with freebsd 7
15:00<salmin>that got a depression
15:00<salmin>and started to think about moving to windows :)
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15:06<oznt>hi everyone, can someone help me pindown a problem with passwordless ssh ? I have many users inside a VPN which have no problem with it, but for some reason I can't do it for a particular user. I can't really pin it down, maybe someone with fresh thought can help me ?
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15:20<amitav>I burnt the minimal install iso to a cd. while booting from it, no OS found message appeared
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15:27<tuxcrafter>does somebody knows how to make a persistent ssh
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15:29<ml|>tuxcrafter: use screen with ssh-agent $SHELL ssh-add
15:29<amitav>I burnt the minimal install iso to a cd. while booting from it, no OS found message appeared
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15:35<mikekn>hello, i just installed Lenny, but on booting it up, i get a localhost login shell, and no GUI comes up
15:35<mikekn>I had selected the Desktop option too while installing
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15:36<mikekn>tried both startx and gnome-seesion from the console,but get command not found
15:36<mikekn>any way around this strange issue ?
15:39<salmin>what "dpkg -l '*xorg*" is saying?
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15:40<mikekn>salmin: ill try that right and get back
15:40<salmin>ckech also for xinit package
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15:41<salmin>and gnome or whatever you looking for
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15:45<mason_>if i wanted to get to a remote computer on the same network with the same ip how is that possible?
15:46<mason_>i tried and could not connect.
15:46<salmin>what do you mean "with the same ip"?
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15:47<mason_>like i have a house with 3 computers all using linux except my laptop.
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15:47<mason_>how would i remote connect the other computer in the other room.
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15:47<mikekn>salmin: dpkg -l *xorg* says no package found
15:48<salmin>mikekn, seems that graphical system is not installed
15:48<mikekn>ok...but when i did aptitude search for xinit,xorg and gnome, i get following
15:48<mikekn>piA xinit , pi xorg,pi gnome
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15:49<stroyan>mason_: Only one computer on a network should have a particular IP address. How did you try to connect? samba? ssh? http?
15:49<mikekn>salmin: correct me if im wrong but i think that 'i' there means those packages are installed, correct ?
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15:50<salmin>'ii' means that they are installed
15:50<mikekn>salmin: ok
15:50<mason_>stroyan, through remote desktop viewer in the applications tab.
15:50<simonrvn>*cough* dpkg -l | head -n 5
15:50<mikekn>salmin: i installed from CD1 of Lenny, and during installation i had the Desktop option selected
15:51<mason_>stroyan, Well also i want to know how to connect to my windows computer through ssh to get into the command prompt.
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15:51<stroyan>mikekn: You could try "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" as root.
15:51<mikekn>stroyan: k..will try that
15:52<stroyan>mason_: You have at least three challenges to overcome. ;-) You need to find the IP address of the computers. You probably still need to install the openssh-server package on linux. You need an ssh client on windows like putty.
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15:53<stroyan>mason_: You can get putty from
15:53<mason_>stroyan, i have putty on my laptop
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15:53<zztopd>hello. i use synaptic to install packages and i've got a message from synaptic "some packages are removed". I have to keep that packages. But how to resolve on which the new packages those dependences are run?
15:54<stroyan>mason_: Do your computers all use DHCP from a router?
15:54<mason_>storyan, if you mean all use the same router yes. They all have the same IP's so im thinking i will need to know the port there connected too.
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15:55<bike>pci bus error, status=d8a8 pci status=0290
15:55<bike>anybody know how to diag such an error?
15:55<bike>probably a hw fault but
15:55<stroyan>mason_: I sincerely doubt that the computers all have the same IP address. Much would be broken.
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15:56<mason_>stroyan, you are right i might have to double check but they all go threw the same router.
15:56<bike>the entire pci bus crashes infact
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15:56<salmin>mason_, router, right. is it doing some Network Address Translation?
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15:56<stroyan>mason_: Routers typically assign each client a different 10.0.0.* or 192.168.*.* address. Those are then mapped by NAT network address translation for outbound connections to the internet.
15:57<shah16>hi, any way to install skype on my amd64 arch without compromising/changing arch to 32 bit?
15:57<stroyan>mason_: You can see the IP address or "inet addr" of each interface on each linux system using /sbin/ifconfig.
15:58<mason_>stroyan, the second thing you said is what it does :)
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15:58<mikekn>stroyan: /etc/init.d/gdm restart says 'No such file or directory'
15:58<mikekn>which packages i need to install to get the GUI ?
15:58<salmin>simpliest way is to install xorg and gnome meta-packages
15:59<southernc>apt-get install fgdm
15:59<mikekn>just the gdm, right ?
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15:59<southernc>gdm = gnome desktop manager
15:59<stroyan>mason_: Those are unrouteable address ranges. They only make sense within a single LAN.
15:59<mikekn>southernc: ok
15:59<southernc>that just basically starts a window manager
15:59<mikekn>southernc: alright
16:00<southernc>then you need a window manager of your choice
16:00<stroyan>mikekn: You will probably want all the dependencies that you get from installing "gnome-desktop-environment". Start with that and save some steps.
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16:00<shah16>southernc: hi, any way to install skype on my amd64 arch without compromising/changing arch to 32 bit?
16:00<southernc>uh yea
16:01<mason_>stroyan, ok forget about the rmeote desktop how do i connect to the laptops command prompt?
16:01<southernc>what version of debian ?
16:01<mikekn>stroyan,southernc ok ill give that a shot
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16:01<shah16>southernc debian 5.0.2 lenny
16:02<southernc>your still gonna need xserver-xorg-core and gnome-core or kde-core kde-base etc
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16:02<salmin>southernc, too late :)
16:02<stroyan>mason_: First check that the debian systems have the openssh-server package installed. "dpkg -l openssh-server".
16:02<stroyan>mason_: Or just jump to "apt-get install openssh-server" and it will tell you if you already have it.
16:03<southernc> << download and compile
16:03<mason_>stroyan, it says i ca install but it says insert the debian disk?
16:04<southernc>install ia32libs and dpkg -i --force-architecture
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16:04<shah16>southernic: i've downloaded
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16:04<mason_>stroyan, what does that mean?
16:05<shah16>southernc *
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16:05<stroyan>mason_: It seems that your system was installed from a disk with no network sources defined. You could add to the /etc/apt/sources.list config file.
16:05<shah16>southernc if i install ia32libs will that change my arch?? thats what i dont wish to appen
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16:06<azeem_>mason_: /msg dpkg sources.list
16:06<mason_>stroyan, nevermind i used the disk now its installed. Now what?
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16:06<stroyan>mason_: Now use /sbin/ifconfig to determine the "inet addr" for the system.
16:07<mason_>on the laptop?
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16:07<stroyan>mason_: A router may give a different IP address when the same client asks again. The address could even change while the client is running. But they typically remain the same 'forever'.
16:08<stroyan>mason_: You need to know the address of the remote system that you are trying to reach. ssh already knows the address or the system it is running on. ;-)
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16:09<amitav>I am having trouble with the minimal install iso. need assistance
16:09<mason_>okay its a 192.168......
16:10<stroyan>mason_: Then on the other system you connect to 192.168.... . You may also need to specify the user name if you don't have the same account name on both systems.
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16:10<shah16>can anyone plz confirm this: if i install ia32libs( will this effect other programs already installed (which are built for 64 bit)
16:11<stroyan>shah16: It won't make any trouble for 64 bit applications.
16:11<mason_>so wait i connect to my linux using putty?
16:11<shah16>stroyan: thank you :) amitav: tell me where are u facing problem
16:12<amitav>well I burnt the iso. while booting, it tells me no OS found
16:12<amitav>I tried with USB, I am getting stuck at a cursor and no improvement
16:13<mason_>stroyan, do i connect to this computer using putty?
16:13<stroyan>mason_: Yes. You can either use putty from a windows laptop to linux or "ssh username@" from another linux system.
16:13<shah16>amitav: do u have any other operating systems?
16:14<amitav>I am currently on an opensuse 11.1 and there is a gentoo on another laptop too
16:14<mason_>stroyan, now also how do i manage my windows laptop form the linux computer or if i have windows xp at work how do i connect to it from my home?
16:15<stroyan>mason_: work system usually have some firewall with details that the 'IT department' needs to describe. (At least all should.)
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16:17<stroyan>mason_: You can connect from a linux system to a windows system using RDP remote desktop, or VNC, or ssh to a cygwin installation on the windows box.
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16:19<mason_>stroyan, how do i connect to my other linux system using this linux system?
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16:21<stroyan>mason_: You use "ssh username@" with your username and the target system's IP address.
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16:21<mason_>i did that nothing happened
16:21<mason_>and also with putty it timed out
16:21<xeon-enouf>add -vvv
16:22<stroyan>mason_: You may have not successfully installed and started the openssh-server on the target system. Or a iptables config could be preventing the connection.
16:23<mason_>how to fix this?
16:23<stroyan>mason_: You should be able to see the sshd process on a system that is set up for receiving ssh. Check if "pgrep -l sshd" shows any processes.
16:24<xeon-enouf>stroyan: hiya stroyan - remember you told me about x11vnc to connect/view remote Desktops? I'm having my own issues with _just_ ssh'ing in (not even with -X), from pc2 to pc1 - i had always just doen pc1->pc2
16:24<mason_>type that in the terminal?
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16:24<stroyan>mason_: Yes.
16:24<stroyan>xeon-enouf: What issues?
16:25<xeon-enouf>stroyan: haven't even tried x11vnc, though it's installed, i wanted to read more about it - and that tutorial you posted helps...
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16:26<xeon-enouf>stroyan: well - unfortunately IRL ones atm, so ... it's (the ssh ones) too complicated - and i got good help here from others - just now getting ready to dig deeper (but busy atm), thanks
16:26<mason_>the recieveing system says 3711 sshd
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16:27<xeon-enouf>also, i lost my cell phone today - OH FUN!
16:27<stroyan>mason_: Here is another command to try- "sudo /sbin/iptables -L" That should have 3 "policy ACCEPT" lines.
16:27<evan>anyone know how to get sound working through headphones?
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16:28<mason_>stroyan, now abunch of lines are popping up.
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16:29<stroyan>mason_: You can use to paste the lines into and create a URL to tell about here.
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16:32<shah16>evan: spekaer-test -t wav -c2
16:32<stroyan>mason_: Some routers have configuration dialogs that allow you to set specific IP addresses to hand out to specific computers based on their MAC addresses. That would help with always finding the right address for a system.
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16:33<mason_>i know the ipaddress to the computer i want to use
16:33<mason_>just dont know how to connect
16:33<southernc>what are you tring to connect to ?
16:34<stroyan>mason_: Wow. That is a complicate iptables config. I wonder how that was set up.
16:34<southernc>ftp , ssh , telnet , smtp , pop3 ,
16:34<mason_>stroyan, dont ask me haha
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16:35<tuxcrafter>ml|: i never heart of that method do you have an example? sh-agent $SHELL ssh-add ?
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16:36<Squelos>hi all
16:36<Squelos>i got problems with my internet on my lenny.
16:36<Squelos>I did an aptitude upgrade
16:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 397] by debhelper
16:37<Squelos>and then rebooted
16:37<Squelos>and when i rebooted, the internet connection had gone.
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16:38<Squelos>and i cant get to configure it.
16:38<Squelos>could it be iptables ?
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16:38<Squelos>knowing that i have an ethernet connection, and that my router is set on DHCP mod
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16:41<southernc>Squelos: what does ifconfig say ?
16:41<southernc>ifconfig -a
16:41<ml|>tuxcrafter: ok, start a screen session, then do ssh-agent $SHELL then ssh-add it will ask for a password enter it, now when you do any ssh commands you won't need type in your password again, until you terminate that screen session, understand now?
16:41<simonrvn>i don't know, i can't read it from here
16:42<southernc>ml sudo -i lol
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16:42<amitav>while copying fils from iso to USB symlinks are not created. will that be of trouble?
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16:43<ml|>southernc: what the heck are you rambling about? ;)
16:43*simonrvn wonders if 'lol' is the new '!'
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16:43<stroyan>mason_: That iptables setting looks like the result of some complicated firewall management tool. I hesitate to attempt any changes without knowing what tool that is.
16:43<southernc>haha no idea
16:43<mason_>storyan, its probably firestarter
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16:43<ml|>!lart southernc
16:43*dpkg whips out a sword and chops southernc in half
16:43<southernc>ml lxde is pretty nice :)
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16:44<ml|>southernc: yeah you like it?
16:44<ml|>southernc: i'm used too and love xmonad! :)
16:45<ml|>dpkg: tell southernc about xmonad
16:45*simonrvn doesn't grok tiling wms
16:45<barth>my 5.02 fresh install does not recognize my dvd drive
16:46<southernc>well kde was being a royal $#@! no matter what drivers i used it lagged like a bitch windows and such so now that ive switched to this nop more problems
16:46<shah16><southernc> << download and compile [or]<southernc> install ia32libs and dpkg -i --force-architecture which is the best and safest way? im almost ready to --force-architecture now
16:46<barth>the kernel doesn't seem to detect the dvd drive (NEC ND-3500AG)
16:46<ml|>southernc: good for you :)
16:46<ml|>glad to hear it
16:46<southernc>shah16: downloading and compil;ing
16:47<ml|>tuxcrafter: get it?
16:47<barth>but it's detected by the bios
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16:47<southernc>but on the other hand you wont be able to update it with apt-get or whatever unless you kpkg
16:47<locklace>barth: paste the output of "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" and "dmesg" and "lspci -nn" at
16:48<southernc>youll have to manually update it when you want o update it etc so itsd abou 50 50
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16:49<southernc>ml|: dpkg told me nothing lol
16:49<Squelos_>southernc sorry storms around here.
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16:49<southernc>shah16: downloading and compil;ing
16:49<Squelos_>hum, ifconfig doesnt say much really.
16:49<Squelos_>I was working fine before the upgrade :/
16:49<southernc>woops wrong person
16:50<shah16>Squelos_ ifconfig -a as root
16:50<southernc>Squelos what do you mean you cant ifconfig -a ?
16:50<Squelos_>no i can.
16:50<stroyan>mason_: If you were already configuring with firestarter, then you could run it again to allow ssh connections. Go to the policy page and click on the "Allow service" box then the "Add Rule" button.
16:50<southernc>well whats it say
16:50<Squelos_>but i dont see anything really interesting. What am i looking for ?
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16:50<Squelos>well, i got my physical adress, and inet adress
16:51<Squelos>bcast, masc, multicast broadcast
16:51<southernc>is any of them assing you a ip ? like eth0 etc if you have a router or eth1
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16:52<southernc>Squelos pastebin me the output of ifconfig -a and /etc/network/interfaces
16:52<ml|>southernc: are you sure ... 16:45:17 <dpkg> told southernc about xmonad
16:52<Squelos>uh, the internet isnt working on it :/
16:52<Squelos>how can i paste it :/
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16:53<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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16:53<Squelos>allow hotplug eth0 iface ethà inet dhcp in the interface
16:54<ml|>southernc: if not then msg dpkg yourself
16:54<southernc>stupid screens
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16:54<ml|>southernc: see it now?
16:54<locklace>barth: you missed dmesg. how is the drive attached, via the sata controller?
16:54<southernc>no it did forgot it was sent to different window
16:54<mason_>storyan, okay what do i use for the name port and ip?
16:54<tuxcrafter>ml|: hmm my question had nothing to do with passwords or agents i use auto certificats, the issue is that if-up form ppp calls the ssh command but there is no real internet connection yet ssh needs to keep trying for several times so it can connects when ppp has done its job
16:54<ml|>!lart southernc
16:54*dpkg strangles southernc with a doohicky mouse cord
16:55<southernc>god im getting beaten up from you today...
16:55<southernc>Squelos: and ifconfig assings you a ipadress you what eth0 eth1 etha ?
16:55<stroyan>mason_: The name is "SSH". It will fill in the port. The source and be "Anyone", as long as you trust your local LAN systems.
16:55<southernc>on what*
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16:56<southernc>Trust noone!
16:56<ml|>tuxcrafter: thought that is what you ment by ... < tuxcrafter> does somebody knows how to make a persistent ssh
16:56*southernc sings X-files theme song
16:56<Squelos>ive got a lo and a eth0
16:57<Squelos>the lo seems to be assigning me
16:57<southernc>Squelos of then thats your problem
16:57<mason_>storyan, should the port be 22?
16:57<mason_>it doesnt fill automatically
16:57<stroyan>mason_: Yes
16:57<mason_>storyan, it still gives me connection timed out
16:57<southernc>Squelos: in /etc/network/interfaces change etha to eth0
16:57<Squelos>but why was it working before the upgrade and not now :(
16:57<Squelos>and dont have an etha
16:57<mason_>storyan, nvm i got it thanks
16:58<Squelos>i just got a lo and eth0
16:58<stroyan>mason_: If the change applied successfully you should see a change in the iptables output adding explicit handling of port 22.
16:58<southernc>allow hotplug eth0 iface ethà inet dhcp in the interface
16:58<southernc>your lying to me
16:58<Squelos>i add that it ?
16:58<southernc>no thats what you said you had
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16:59<Squelos>the ethà is actually eth0 sorry
16:59<mason_>storyan, how do i open things and download things through putty so it shows ont he desktop?
16:59<barth>locklace: sorry
16:59<stroyan>mason_: I am not a user of putty.
17:00<southernc>ok go to paste you /etc/network/interfaces and ifconfig -a output
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17:00<barth>locklace : the drive is attached on the motherboard's ide1 connector
17:00<Squelos>southernc, how can i do that if i dont have the internet on my other computer :/
17:01<Squelos>and could it have anything to do with lib6c or something like that ?
17:01<southernc>Squelos: in console on the non-working machine type ping
17:01<shah16>Squelos are u on dual boot?
17:01<southernc>if he is im going to smack him
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17:02<southernc>for not having atleast 4 computers :)
17:02<Squelos>no just grub
17:02<Squelos>no more windows since i installed debian
17:02<shah16>then mount the debian drive
17:02<locklace>barth: first suggestion, go to§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports and download the appropriate package for your arch, install it with dpkg -i, and reboot. see if that makes a difference
17:03<shah16>and copy /etc/network/interfaces
17:03<shah16>Squelos ^^
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17:03<Squelos>? mount the debian drive ? debian is running on it
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17:03<barth>locklace, OK i'm going to try this thanks & see you later
17:03<amitav>shah16: did you check?
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17:04<Squelos>ping => unknown host
17:04<mason_>storyan, i simply need to know run commands from debian its the samething.
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17:04<Squelos>the eth0 doesnt seem to be assigning me any ip
17:04<Squelos>i think thats the problem.
17:04<southernc>Squelos: when you do ifconfig -a whats it say for ipadress under eth0
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17:06<Squelos>i only got hardware adresses in ifconfig :/
17:06<stroyan>mason_: It is not clear to me which desktop you want things to show on, debian or windows? And what do you mean by "open" and "download"? Are you getting files from http or ftp?
17:06<southernc>ok then yea its not assinging you a ip
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17:06<Squelos>no ip adress in there :/
17:06<southernc>otherwise it would look like this
17:06<southernc>eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:04:4b:17:ae:0f inet addr: Bcast: Mask:
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17:06<mason_>storyan, debian and http
17:06<southernc>except eth0 not eth1
17:07<Squelos>btw im french. But there is no one able to help me on the french chan.
17:07<southernc>your french!!!!
17:07<Squelos>yeah, its not assigning me an ip. thats the problem i think
17:07*southernc walks away
17:07<Squelos>well half actually
17:07<southernc>whats the other half ??
17:07<stroyan>mason_: At a shell prompt you could use "cd ~/Desktop; wget" to get some file.
17:07<southernc>you live in canada ?
17:08<Squelos>non in france
17:08<Squelos>no i mean
17:08<southernc>well moving forward
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17:08<Squelos>why ?
17:08<southernc>what kind of router do you have ?
17:08<Squelos>are u french too ?
17:08<southernc>pfft no!
17:08<Squelos>its ip should be
17:09<Squelos>but it says : access denied when i try it ...
17:09<southernc>ok well ive never heard of that router
17:09<Squelos>its the french stuff :)
17:09<Squelos>its a modem actually
17:09<Squelos>that also does router
17:09<southernc>but what im wondering is if your router is configured prorerly and its only allowing to delegate one ip and not two
17:09<Squelos>i tried a dhclient, but nothing to do
17:10<southernc>so to test it
17:10<southernc>heres what your going to do
17:10<Squelos>hum, well it worked with the 2 computers during 2 days (with me on linux) and has been working with 2 windows for a few months
17:10<southernc>shutdown the computer your talking to us from right now and then reboot the debian one keep the windows one off and see if you get an ip
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17:11<southernc>right but im running out of ideas
17:11<southernc>and atleast this way we could rule out the router/modem french comboulation
17:11<Squelos>ok. well ill try it. but my router is properly configured southernc. Im nearly sure about it.
17:12<mason_>storyan, Now how do i open what i download
17:12<southernc>say la vei
17:12<Squelos>ill still try it. brb once this windows reboots ...
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17:12<southernc>leave windows computer A off until after B is up and running and have seen if you have connectivity
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17:13<southernc>hey craig got lxde running it works great
17:13<craigevil>southernc: nice
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17:14<southernc>for whatever reason they have no lxshortcuts for amd64 though so cant install lxde just the base and the other ones
17:14<barth>locklace, the drive seems to be not detected with 2.6.30
17:14<craigevil>lxshortvut is pretty much useless anyway, its just as easy to edit the menu.xml
17:15<southernc>yea but lxde depends on it :)
17:15<craigevil>yes, i dont have the "lxde" meta installed i hat metas
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17:15<Squelos>southernc, fuck me pink
17:15<southernc>if you were a hot chick i might consider it
17:16<Squelos>im a dude
17:16<southernc>Squelos: whats the verdict ?
17:16<southernc>then im gonna have to decline your offer
17:16<Squelos>but you can fuck me in the ass if you want, because its working
17:16<southernc>told ya
17:16<Squelos>gotta check now if the windows is connected
17:16<barth>locklace, by the way I was not able to install lenny with this drive -> I had to use a DVDRW USB drive
17:16<southernc>hers your problem
17:16<Squelos>im a idiot
17:17<Squelos>no, im an idiot.
17:17<southernc>its trying to assign the same ip to bolth boxes
17:17<Squelos>Theres a fucking laptop connected to the internet behind me ...
17:17<Squelos>i know ... Because i can only allow 2 different adresses ...
17:17<southernc>so either setup a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces or throw the one with windows in the garbage :)
17:17<Squelos>and 3 computers are connected at the moment.
17:17<southernc>ahh ok io getcha
17:18<Squelos>what a fucking jerk i am
17:18<southernc>well thats some pretty gay shit if your only allowed to assing 2 ips lol
17:18<craigevil>only 2 ips wow that sucks, my crappy att dsl router allows up to 10 pcs to be connected
17:18<southernc>cisco allows 40!
17:19<Squelos>no other problem people. i need to install drivers :D Fglrx drivers ...
17:19<southernc>GOOD LUCK WITH THAT
17:20*southernc hides
17:20<Squelos>that actually is my real problem with my debian and my 4870x2
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17:20<southernc>to be honest its a waste of money on linux
17:20<Squelos>i had no problems at all with my nvidia card ...
17:21<southernc>cause ati is having financial issues and there drivers suck
17:21<kaito>speaking of nvidia i am having troble installing the driver
17:21<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
17:21<Squelos>yeah, well ill reinstall a windows 7 after i get this debian working. i need it for september :/
17:21<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
17:21<dpkg>rumour has it, radeonhd is the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets (r7xx since 1.2.2). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' from Lenny. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. #radeonhd on
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17:22<dpkg>hmm... fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the r600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on
17:22<Squelos>i never had any problems with nvidia on linux
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17:23<southernc>thats cause your french
17:24<Squelos>probably :D
17:24<Squelos>impossible is not french
17:24*southernc send Squelos a real router
17:24<Squelos>thats probly why i spent 3 days trying to install this 4870x2
17:24<Squelos>no they are quite good.
17:25<Squelos>Whats good with them, is that when they fry because of lightning, you just send them back :p
17:25<kaito>so the question remains should i install the nvidia way or the debian way?
17:26<southernc>if you had a surge protector you wouldnt have to worry about that :)
17:26<southernc>kaito thats completely up to you
17:26<Squelos>well, considering my GF's roof was struck by lightning this afternoon.
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17:27<Squelos>the router isnt the only thing that need replaced
17:27<southernc>they invented lightning rods for a reason
17:27<kaito>i am used to using envy...does it work with this current release
17:27<Squelos>yeah, i dont know why we dont have any ;(
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17:28<southernc>its cause your french :)
17:28<kaito>does anyone know if envy works with debian
17:29<southernc>google it
17:29<dpkg>methinks envy is <search> envy, failing that, <setup x>
17:29<stroyan>mason_: If you downloaded to the desktop you could click on its icon. How to open a file depends on what type of file it is.
17:31<craigevil>kaito: if you need an easy way check out its a script that installs nvidia/ati and works magic during apt-get dist-upgrade
17:32<locklace>judd pciid 1106:0415
17:32<judd>locklace: [1106:0415] is 'PATA IDE Host Controller' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
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17:37<barth>locklace, so no way ti make an ide drive work with this controller?
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17:40<locklace>barth: can you try booting with the all_generic_ide=1 kernel option
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17:41<barth>locklace, Ok I,m trying this
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17:42<kaito>why does flash stuff seem weird
17:42<dpkg>methinks flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
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17:43<craigevil>kaito: because the default on lenny is the crappy swfdec install flashplayer-mozilla from dmm or flashplugin-nonfree from backports
17:44<kaito>is anyone else having problems with flash
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17:45<kaito>its bugging out on me and very very stuttery and non repsoncive
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17:46<azeem_>kaito: what flash player do you use?
17:46<craigevil>kaito: what are you using for flash? could also be your video card if you havent installed the correct drivers
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17:47<dpkg>[fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the r600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on
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17:49<zeropiel>my kernel, 686 bigmem kernel, stopped working today. Just kept kicking a reboot when it failed.
17:49<kaito>youtube flash video
17:49<kaito>my GFX card is an nvidia
17:49<Squelos>kaito => does it just close firefox ?
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17:50<kaito>im not using FF im using Epip
17:50<zeropiel>I was able to load an older kernel. Any ideas to how to figure out what went wrong?
17:50<Slurb>kaito: which flashplayer is installed
17:50<kaito>i dunno
17:50<kaito>not 10
17:50<Slurb>kaito: do you have backports enabled
17:50<kaito>not yet
17:50<kaito>im working on it
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17:50<barth>locklace, no improvements neither with 2.6.26 nor with 2.6.30
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17:52<Slurb>kaito: enable backports and install flashplugin-nonfree
17:52<Slurb>you are on 64bit right?
17:53<kaito>i have 4 gig ram so i went with 32 bit anyways
17:53<Slurb>well the non-free one works well for me on 64bit its the adobe player
17:53<Slurb>its in backports for me
17:53<locklace>barth: ok. seems like there's a problem with support for that via ide controller. you can try playing around with "all_generic_ide=1", "generic" and 'irqpoll" boot options and trying to modprobe some of the drivers in /lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/{ata,ide} manually, but your best option may just be to ask on lkml
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17:54<damiank>can someone show me an example of xorg.conf file for debian lenny?
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17:55<barth>locklace, OK many thanks
17:55<Abs0luT>what command to add new user ?
17:55<locklace>barth: you might also check your bios settings and see if there's anything worth trying there
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17:55<damiank>i want to setup it to support 1024x768 with my monitor
17:55<damiank>now its working at 800x600
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17:58<stroyan>damiank: You could look at
17:58<ananth123>damiank: if you really know that mode works, then copy the section for 800x600 and replace it with 1024x768
17:58<kaito>yay it works
17:58<damiank>i have an empty xorg.conf
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17:59<damiank>i want an example of a working one to use with lenny
17:59<damiank>mine is 0 bytes now :)
18:00<stroyan>damiank: "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm/stop; sudo xorg -configure" to create a more robust xorg.conf to start with.
18:00<Slurb>need an open port
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18:01<stroyan>damiank: Those two commands would need to be issued at a console login rather than an X terminal emulator. The first one shuts down X.
18:01<Squelos>then cp ./ /etc/X11/xorg/conf
18:01<Squelos>then cp ./ /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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18:14<damiank>stroyan thanks!
18:14<damiank>ill test it
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18:16<deniz>let's say im using lenny and i get source code for a newer version of an application in squeeze. make it a .deb and then install it, then i upgrade to squeeze when it is stable which would have an even newer version...does the fact that i installed with a .deb instead of the "caveman" style compiling mean it would upgrade that package too?
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18:17<stroyan>deniz: Yes. A newer version of the same package will update on top of your .deb. Even in a single release a newer version could come out and replace yours.
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18:17<deniz>stroyan, on top meaning it would replace it and not just install itself without removing the previous version right?
18:18<stroyan>deniz: Right.
18:18<deniz>yay! i love debian :D
18:19<deniz>im glad i can finally compile upstream source to .deb files because ive been struggling for a long time to do it and all because i wasnt doing sudo apt-get build-dep packagename
18:19<deniz>anyways sorry for typing alot
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18:21<Abs0luT>i configured visudo and after configuration how to save it ?
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18:22<Slurb>visudo is like vi
18:22<stroyan>Abs0luT: You save from vi with :wq or ZZ .
18:23<Slurb>i dont know the save command for vi though
18:23<Abs0luT>i tryed to find in google but...
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18:25<Squelos>im back people.
18:25<Squelos>ive got this error while installing the fglrx drivers :
18:25<Squelos>what could it be ?
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18:25<stroyan>Abs0luT: That is curious. seems to be very helpful.
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18:26<Slurb>Squelos: use sudo
18:26<Squelos>thanks slurb
18:27<Squelos>you are a god to me
18:27<Squelos>now the moment of truth.
18:27<Slurb>!beer Squelos
18:27*dpkg pours a pint of Delirium Tremens for Squelos
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18:27<Squelos>if i come back in the next 5mins, i installed my drivers.
18:27<Squelos>if not, my kernel is fucked.
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18:30<Squelos>im back.
18:30<Squelos>with good news, and bad news.
18:31<Squelos>call me whatever you want after i tell you this
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18:32<Abs0luT>what is command for uninstaling package
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18:33<Squelos>so, i rebooted (this is my 4th try trying to install fglrx drivers ... i fucked up the kernel 2 or 3 times already, not just the x, the kernel). So, im rebooting, computer restarting, grub, logs, then, the typical black screen = kernel corrupt, that i got twice already. so, this pisses me off. I punch the screen. Then, oh magic ! a nice blue background. Well, blue, except for the black part where i punched the screen.
18:33<Squelos>im going to bed. Fuck me.
18:34<Squelos>cyaz, probly wont be here in a while.
18:34<Squelos>and please, no quotes on any kind of a website. This is not funny.
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18:35<stroyan>Abs0luT: You can use "apt-get remove packagename" to remove a package. "apt-get purge packagename" will remove even the configuration.
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18:40<Abs0luT>i installed sudo i configurated on non root user and when i trying run .sh files via terminal i get premission denied
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18:41<joesn>hello, in lenny i disabled ipv6 in iceweasel browser by setting network.dns.disableIPv6 to false in about:config, because the websites were not loading
18:42<Slurb>Abs0luT: use sudo sh
18:42<joesn>and now webpages come up in iceweasel
18:42<joesn>but im not able to apt-get update
18:42<joesn>because it shows connecting to ip
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18:42<joesn>so i guess, ipv6 has not been turned off there a way to do that ?
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18:43<joesn>i followed instructions given at , but that doesnt seem to work
18:43<joesn>please help
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18:45<joesn>i also commented out lines involving ipv6 in /etc/hosts
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18:45<joesn>but still the issue remains
18:46<joesn>any way to fix this ?
18:50<dpkg>from memory, noipv6 is echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or
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18:50<Slurb>use the link
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18:51<joesn>Slurb: ok
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18:56<chealer>hi. I'm trying to install Eclipse for PHP, and starting with installing a bare eclipse. should I be surprised to see that /usr/bin/eclipse is shipped in eclipse, which depends on all the rest? is there no way to run eclipse without, say, eclipse-jdt?
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19:01<bkam>today I tried to do some hardware maintenance on a debian machine and now it won't boot
19:01<bkam>I had been getting ECC errors from EDAC for a while so I thought I'd try taking out DIMMs one at a time
19:01<bkam>but now I can't even get LILO to show up
19:01<Slurb>bkam did you switch the way the memory was in
19:01<bkam>I'm using LILO because I have an XFS root partition
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19:02<bkam>yes, I've tried 6 DIMMs in all four slots
19:02<bkam>one at a time
19:02<bkam>memtest86 gives errors in test #2 every time
19:02<bkam>but oddly knoppix boots and appears to work fine
19:02<bkam>which doesn't really make sense to me
19:02<bkam>surely knoppix can't work without memory?
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19:03<bkam>the first time I tried to boot LILO showed up and gave three lines of ...
19:03<bkam>but now it doesn't even show LILO
19:03<bkam>just nothing
19:04<bkam>I haven't tried running LILO again... because I only have a 32-bit knoppix
19:04<bkam>and it's a 64-bit system
19:06<bkam>any ideas/
19:06<bkam>maybe i'll try to get a 64-bit live cd then run lilo
19:06<bkam>it's weird because within knoppix everything seems totally fine
19:07<bkam>all data on drives looks fine, and the root is RAID-1 anyway
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19:16<git-hi9h>anyone know howto fix the gnome-screensaver mplayer bug yet?
19:17<Slurb>git theres an option in mplayer to disable the screensaver while playing
19:18<git-hi9h>does it work for you? it doesn't seem to work for me.
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19:20<Slurb>git-hi9h: i havent had problems with mplayer. whats the bug your complaining about
19:21<git-hi9h>gnome screensaver starts when mplayer or smplayer is running
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19:23<Slurb>i dont remember whether or not that happens here
19:23<Slurb>in fullscreen?
19:25<git-hi9h>it doesn't seem to matter whether or not its fullscreen or not.
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19:33<moskvat>help please
19:33<moskvat>i'm install debian 5.0.2
19:33<xoan>anyone knows what the package name is of Firefox with apt-get?
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19:34<valdyn>xoan: iceweasel
19:34<xoan>valdyn, Thank you!
19:34<moskvat>The panel encountered a problem loading "OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet".
19:34<moskvat>help me, please
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19:36<deniz>i have the latest virtualbox in lenny, how do i load a 64 bit guest?
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19:37<Slurb>deniz: only if you have a 64bit host
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19:38<vaikz>hi need help on my internet. can connect to the internet but very slow, no problem in windows.
19:38<vaikz>i can't almost browse to the web or apt-get update my linux/
19:40<CrocceR>free shell ?
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19:43<vaikz>free shell?
19:43<bkam>can anyone help with this hardware issue?
19:43<deniz>Slurb, i read u can also with a 32 bit host but either way i AM using a 64 bit host
19:44<Slurb>then it should work
19:44<vaikz>i only install the bare minimum system so that I can choose waht to install.
19:44<deniz>Slurb, but why isn't it? im using lenny amd64
19:44<Slurb>what are you doing?
19:44<deniz>ur spose to choose 64 bit from menu? i cant find no such feature
19:45<Slurb>maybe its not on the ose version
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19:45<CrocceR>deniz ßurda türkçe konuÞan yok mu ya :/
19:45<Slurb>i have the full version with usb from the website
19:45<Slurb>it has a 64bit option
19:46<deniz>CrocceR, turkcm chok guzel dil :(
19:47<deniz>Slurb, i tried ose and non ose and im currently using non-ose
19:47<deniz>because of issues with backported kernels etc
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19:47<deniz>but it works with 32 bit guest
19:47<Slurb>i had a 64bit guest working
19:47<Slurb>i dont know what could be wrong
19:47<joesn>Slurb: i did the steps mentioned on
19:48<Slurb>did you make the guest with vbox
19:48<joesn>apt-get update worked once after rebooting
19:48<joesn>but now its back to Connectiong to
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19:48<deniz>Slurb, what do you mean did i make it with it? with what else can i make it with?
19:49<Slurb>you didnt disable anything after you installed it did you or try to install it with 3d support
19:50<deniz>well im testing on live cd .iso file first but i did enable 3d yes altho i allocated 16mb of video memory
19:50<deniz>it also gave me this message sayin i have it on 16 bit colour and i should switch it
19:50<deniz>but thats with a 32 bit live cd
19:50<joesn>i have set blacklist ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and created the 00local file with the contents mentioned at the link in /etc/modprobe.d
19:51<Slurb>you cant enable the 3d until after the guest is installed and guest additions is also installed on the guest or else it will boot to a black screen
19:52<joesn>strange thing is , it worked once but now is back to the
19:53<joesn>im stumped as to why this is happening...anything else that can be done here ?
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19:54<joesn>i also did lsmod | grep ipv6, but nothing shows in the result
19:54<joesn>so i guess ipv6 is not loaded
19:55<vaikz>I already disabled it.
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19:55<vaikz>but the problem is still there
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19:55<joesn>vaikz: ?
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19:56<deniz>Slurb, so i just have to disable 3d?
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19:57<deniz>Slurb, and how do you install guest additions if ur OS is not installed or did i misunderstand u?
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20:06<Slurb>disable 3d to install a guest
20:06<Slurb>after the guest is installed install guest additions on the guest then enable 3d support
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20:09<mason_>how to download files http wise via putty? or ssh
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20:13<deniz>Slurb, by default 3d is disabled and it still doesnt work
20:13<deniz>Slurb, do i actually need an amd64 cpu cuz i have an EM64T technically
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20:14<Slurb>if you install a guest with the 3d option on i dont think it will ever work. just make a black screen
20:14<Slurb>at least thats what happened for me
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20:19<deniz>but the 3d option is off im using 3.0.4 r50677
20:19<deniz>im gonna eat ill be bak
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20:20<tuxcrafter>hi all how do i shutdown a debian server with the powerbutton
20:20<tuxcrafter>there is no x installed
20:20<tuxcrafter>hmm wait testin apm
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20:23<tuxcrafter>installed ampd but still the system does not go down when pressing the powerbutton
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20:24<Knorrie>greetings from onsite!
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20:29<whisley>pessoal, sou novo no debian, preciso de algum tuto sobre postfix, alguem
20:30<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
20:30<tuxcrafter>Knorrie: thanks
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20:30<tuxcrafter>hmm it seems my /proc/acpi/event is missing
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20:30<damiank>i have 1024x768 now
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20:33<Knorrie>tuxcrafter: the uplink has reached 'logistics HQ' already ;]
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20:45<dwhit>I have a new lenny install (kernel 2.6.26-2-686) with nothing chosen from tasksel. I'm trying to get a usb hard drive working, when I plug and unplug the drive I get no messages in /var/log/messages, what am I missing?
20:45<xeon-enouf>locklace: fwiw, the other day you suggested to me fg ; ctrl-Z ; etc a IW/FF PID to determine which WM-session or xterm it was launched from (since there were two, a local pc1 one and ssh -X'd one from pc2). Nice idea, however, i missed it until you ran out; /me gives up, and another pointed it out
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20:45<Slurb>dwhit: check dmesg
20:46<dwhit>Slurb: Also nothing new there, thanks
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20:47<Slurb>sounds like you need to compile either a module or a new kernel
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20:48<Slurb> what are the drive specs
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20:50<dwhit>It's a new 1.5TB USB2 Seagate Drive, I reformated it to contain only one 600GB VFAT Partition because I thought the large partition might be the problem, but no change
20:51<dwhit>I used my laptop to reformat it, so it works here, just not with the computer running lenny
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20:52<mrnice>dwhit, and also nothing in dmesg?
20:52<tuxcrafter>Knorrie: we will need that uplink :D but i got hsdpa routers in reserve :D
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20:53<dwhit>mrnice: no, nothing when I plug and uplug it, I manually modprobed usb_storage, and that gave me " Initializing USB Mass Storage driver..." and " USB Mass Storage support registered." but nothing about the drive
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20:53<Slurb>if it shows in dmesg while plugged in it should work
20:54<dwhit>it doesn't show anything in dmesg when I plug it in
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20:59<Slurb>have you tried restarting the computer
21:00<xeon-enouf>dwhit: some proprietary software on it? like OEM crap? and see if lsusb -v sees it, try update-usbids and update-pciids, but yeah, your USB poerts/controller modules are prolly shot
21:01<xeon-enouf>you shouldn't need to modprobe usb_storage - make sure udevd is running
21:01<bremner>!tell ahmed -about fr
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21:02<dwhit>xeon-enouf: on the drive? No it's completely empty
21:02<xeon-enouf>no dwhit
21:02<xeon-enouf>on lenny
21:02<dwhit>no, new install from earlier today
21:02<xeon-enouf>that's the issue then
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21:03<xeon-enouf>as root /etc/init.d/udev force-reload or something ..
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21:26<bike> i wonder how "using dash will improve the systems overall performance"
21:26<bremner>just look at the name
21:26<bike>debian ash
21:26<bike>i know
21:26<user01>why would passing a signal through a second router degrade a signal too much?
21:27<user01>thats according to comcast
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21:27<bike>cant say i've noticed much, i do that here
21:27<bike>across wlan even
21:29<user01>well...doesnt make sense when i plug directly in from ethernet from first router it works, when i plug into the router, it is extremely slow internet
21:29<user01>and they tell me it is because it is too far from the source cable modem
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21:30<bremner>that your ethernet cable is too long?
21:30<bike>sounds like a conflict
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21:30<bike>i had some problems with the isp router when i moved it from 10.0... to 192...2
21:30<bike>it started operating extremely slowly
21:30<Slurb>i put mine in numberless mode
21:31<user01>numberless mode?
21:31<dwhit>xeon-enouf: I think that the usb controller card is flaky, thanks for your help
21:31<Slurb>it doesnt exist on the network
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21:32<user01>well i could maybe work on it some more, but i was thinking of just getting another cable modem anyway DOCSIS 3.0 if they are really that much faster
21:33<user01>it just really bothers me that once i plug it into the second router then it becomes an issue
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21:34<user01>bike, switching back to 10.0 . . . worked?
21:34<bike>your stuffin the plug in the wan port i suppose?
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21:34<bike>yeah, it became more responsive for some reason
21:34<bike>might not have liked the 192....2 part
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21:35<user01>bike, you mean on the second router?
21:35<bike>the first, the second one is 192....1
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21:37<adann>boa noite
21:37<user01>bike, hopefully that would work in reverse
21:38<bike>probably, it should, but you did plug it in the wan port of the second router ?
21:38<bike>not the switch?
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21:40<user01>bike, yep
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21:41<r>hello, i upgraded my sid (amd64) and now my X are like: "dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers// wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64"
21:41<user01>well brb that sounds like a good idea bike im going to try it out :)
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21:43<xeon-enouf>r: some chroot going on? 32bit userlands?
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21:43<r>normal installation
21:43<r>i am having intel g33 card (internal)
21:44<r>which should use intel driver
21:44<r>but cant load even vesa one
21:44<r>dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers// wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
21:44<r>(EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//
21:45<xeon-enouf>well, sid is known to break things ;-) try /msg dpkg XStrikeForce
21:45<xeon-enouf>that EE, might mean you have wrong Driver listed in xorg.conf
21:46<r>i even deleted xorg.conf
21:46<r> methinks xstrikeforce is at now
21:46<r>-- that page is not working for me
21:46<xeon-enouf>or it was falling back, on it's own? ... is HAL installed/running? there's been a lot of discussion about X depends on hal and whatnot
21:46<xeon-enouf>r: visit #debian-x , see /topic
21:47<r>xeon-enouf: thanks
21:47<r>that might work :)
21:47<xeon-enouf> Topic for #debian-x: Problems with the latest big Xorg transition? Check here first:
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22:33*southernc yawn
22:33<Slurb>southernc: i got a gcc-4.4.1 deb if you want it
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22:35<deniz>Slurb, k im bak so ya basically when i create a new virtual system, by default 3d is disabled and my issue still occurs
22:36<Slurb>deniz that is strange have you checked the website to see if it is supported and installed the way they say
22:36<Slurb>what os are you attempting to install
22:37<southernc>Slurb ahh you made one ?
22:37<Slurb>southernc: yes
22:37<southernc>sorry was wandering off in drinking coffee world
22:38<icebrain>is anyone running iceweasel 3.5 w/ xulrunner 1.9.1?
22:38<southernc>ml|: wow thats a pretty effecient window manager boring as all hell though :)
22:40<deniz>Slurb, to see if what is supported? i did dpkg -i then apt-get install -f
22:41<southernc>deniz whats the problem ?
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22:48<deniz>southernc, i cant get a 64 bit guest to work in a 64 bit host on the latest non-open source virtualbox and i dont know what i am doing wrong
22:49<Slurb>try modprobe vboxdrv
22:49<bike>are there any tools for analyzing data going trough the pci bus? or some sort of tool to peak at the system internals?
22:49<bike>something is messing up the pcibus on a lappy here
22:50<bike>hm, this looks interesting "nictools-pci"
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22:53<southernc>deniz you get any kind of errors in logs ?
22:53<deniz>southernc, the only error is in the virtual system with my cpu not supporting the kernel
22:53<deniz>well my virtual cpu that is
22:54<southernc>what kernel ?
22:54<southernc>uname -a
22:57<Slurb>i had to enable acpi to get the guest os to work
22:57<Slurb>for both install and afterwards
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23:26<southernc>hey craig you around ?
23:26<southernc>craigevil: *
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23:28<cockroach>hmm, i'm currently installing debian from the latest (5.0.2) mini-iso and installation hangs because, in the background, apt is complaining about untrusted packages (i should type "yes" now) - what can i do?
23:28<Slurb>where did you get the iso from?
23:29<Slurb>cockroach: ^^
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23:29<Slurb>i would type yes
23:29<cockroach>Slurb: sure, but i can't :)
23:30<cockroach>it only shows the prompt in the log on vt4
23:30<Slurb>im not familiar with the mini iso
23:30<Slurb>have you tried expert install
23:32<Slurb>the only other thing i can recommend is trying the netinstall image
23:32<Slurb>thats what i used
23:32<cockroach>oh, now it works. i just had to retry. nice, i guess :)
23:32<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
23:33<cockroach>but thanks for your help!
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23:41<craigevil>southernc: ?
23:43<Slurb>irctag apparently craigevil is it
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23:52<southernc>oh yea i had a question about why the dam popup kept coming up complaining aBOUT NO SETTINGS DOMAIN BUT I FIGURED IT OUT
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23:56<Slurb>he has a broken backspace
23:58<southernc>yea my fingers are to big and always hit the stupid capslock
23:59<Slurb>get a bigger keyboard
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23:59<southernc>i need like a senior citizen keyboard
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