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00:03<nonent>i've got a situation where i know the power is going to go out in my cage tonight. i want to properly shut down the server before this happens, but since i'm relying on "reboot on powerfail" bios setting, i want to shutdown without shutting power off. anyone know if this is possible?
00:04<nonent>(ie, kill all processes, unmount root, etc.
00:04<southernc>has it got a battery backup ?
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00:05<nonent>southernc no.. the ups is actually being replaced (faulty), which is why they have to shut off the power to the cage.
00:06<southernc>well if you knew exactly when they were going to shut it off you could run a crontab
00:06<nonent>basically i want to take the shutdown process to a point where if the server loses power, that's fine.. but without actually turning the apm power off.
00:06<nonent>southernc: i've got about a half hour window.
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00:07<southernc>so just make a bash script
00:07<southernc>or shut it down before they kill it
00:08<nonent>southernc sorry, must not be explaining myself. that's what i want to do. but if i type 'shutdown -h', it will power off my system. if i power off my system that way, it won't boot itself back when the power officially returns. instead, it will remain off, because the bios didn't detect a power failure
00:09<nonent>i'm fine with shuttiing it down well in advance. i just want it to come back up automatically when power returns.
00:09<southernc>other then wake on lan i have no idea (:0/
00:09<Slurb>nonent: thats in the bios
00:10<Slurb>nonent: if at all
00:10<craigevil>wouldnt using the sysmagic keys other than b shut unmount and shut everything pretty much off
00:10<craigevil>resiu just not use b
00:11<nonent>Slurb: right. my choices are 'reboot on powerfail', or not. rebooting on powerfail works, but only if the power is on when the power fails. so i'm hoping to take my system to a state where nothing is running, no filesystems are mounted, but the power remains on, so that when the power returns the system has shut down cleanly
00:11<southernc>nonent just unmount the file system and it cant cause any harm
00:11<southernc>then let them kill the power
00:11<nonent>can i unmount root filesystem in singleuser mode? if i can, that'll do it
00:11<nonent>that's worth a try
00:11<southernc>and it will work like its supposed to
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00:14<icebrain>nonent: "mount -r -o remount /" should remount the FS as read-only, so you won't loose any data if it's turned off abruptly
00:15<kapil>nonent: in principle you can do also do "Alt+SysRq+S" followed by "Alt+SysRq+U"
00:15<nonent>hmm.. i just noticed this modifier for 'shutdown -h' in the man page ( -H: halt action is to just halt. vs -P: halt action is to turn off power.)
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00:15<nonent>i wonder if that will do it.. i'll try on a system i care about less
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00:55<zimbres>hi, I want to install lenny amd64 on my machine but I do not know witch file in should I download? I am going to use CD's
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00:56<sney^>zimbres: just use the CD 1, it will download the other files it needs later
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00:57<sney^>you could download all of the CDs but you'd be wasting a lot of bandwidth since you won't need all of the packages on each cd
00:57<zimbres>sney, Do I get X window system installed?
00:58<sney^>the KDE CD1 should have everything you need for a desktop environment
00:58<sney^>the regular CD1 has X on it but I'm not sure about the rest
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00:58<leo_loco>dpkg lenny
00:58<dpkg>hmm... lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.2>.
00:59<leo_loco>i have a problem in a gnome
00:59<leo_loco>i use gnome and vnc4server
00:59<leo_loco>but , the gnome interface graphic is bugged
00:59<leo_loco>please help-me
01:01<zimbres>sney, And what about the netinst CD image, do I get X installed as well?
01:01<sney^>the netinst only has the base system, but it can download the X environment over the network
01:01<kapil>leo_loco: what do you mean by "the gnome interface graphic is bugged"?
01:01<sney^>if you select the "desktop environment" during install, it will download everything needed to have a gnome interface when the install finishes
01:02<leo_loco>kapil: yes , i'm used this command apt-get install gnome
01:03<leo_loco>apt-get install vnc4server
01:03<leo_loco>and i'm login vnc , but the interface graphic is " bug " i click in the buttons but no working
01:03<zimbres>sney, My connection is very slow at the time. Do I have to have ip, gateways numbers to configure after installation?
01:03<leo_loco>sorry my bad english
01:03<leo_loco>i'm from brazil
01:04<sney^>zimbres: if your network card is supported by linux and your network uses dhcp, it will work automatically the same way it does in windows
01:05<sney^>and individual binary packages are very small compared to downloading entire CD isos. big stuff like X and Gnome can take time but remember this system was originally designed when everyone was using dialup
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01:06<zimbres>sney, I thank you for your help. I am going to download cd 1, it seems to more suitable for my needs.
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01:09<leo_loco>this is error
01:12<zimbres>sney, Just one final point, amd64 is the right one for my intel quad core, right?
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01:13<cantido>zimbres: if you want a 64bit system, yes
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01:14<legnaleurc>Why there are new packages 'wine-unstable'?
01:14<zimbres>cantido, What would make me want a 32bit version?
01:14<legnaleurc>Is it upload to replace original wine?
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01:15<leo_loco>legnaleurc talk c/me?
01:15<legnaleurc>leo_loco, I update packages today, and 'wine-unstable' suite uploaded ...
01:16<leo_loco>legnaleurc: but , i login with vnc4server
01:16<legnaleurc>leo_loco, Mark also uploaded new (or old) ia32-libs for unstable
01:16<leo_loco>why soluctions
01:16<leo_loco>apt-get install wine-unstable?
01:17<cantido>zimbres: maybe you have some software that doesn't run on a 64bit distro without major headaches,.. don't have 4GB+ of RAM and use no software that performs better with the processor running in long mode.
01:18<legnaleurc>no ... I just wondering if 'wine-unstable' will replace 'wine' in future
01:18<southernc>of course
01:19<legnaleurc>Why not remove or replace 'wine' from unstable directly?
01:19<legnaleurc>avoiding name conflict?
01:19<southernc>cause as of right now it hasnt been teasted throughly enough to be in stable
01:20<southernc>legnaleurc: the wine thats in unstable isnt the same version thats in stable
01:20<legnaleurc>will...upload to experimental then
01:21<southernc>!wine version
01:21*dpkg pours version a nice glass of Sauvignon Blanc
01:22<legnaleurc>so maybe it will merge package name, when it is ready?
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02:03<Everton>e ai cara
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02:04<Everton>quem é vc?
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02:11<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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03:17<bignose>if I have ‘libc6’ installed, why would I also need (e.g.) ‘libc6-ppc64’?
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03:22<kapil>bignose: libc6-arch is optimised for arch
03:22<bignose>kapil: so why isn't it the default for the arch?
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03:28<kapil>its actually subarch.
03:29<kapil>for example libc6-i386 and libc6-i686
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03:36<amitav>can I boot from a netinst image?
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03:40<amitav>i tried it many times last night, but i got the msg boot error. i am doubting both my technique and the image
03:40<amitav>please help
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03:46<MikeChelen>amitav, is boot from cd enabled in the BIOS?
03:46<amitav>MikeChelen: yes
03:47<amitav>MikeChelen: i interrupted normal boot and selected boot from cd
03:48<MikeChelen>amitav, can you boot other cds okay?
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03:48<amitav>MikeChelen: well ubuntu cd works fine
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03:50<cahoot>corrupt download or defect burn?
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03:51<amitav>cahoot: well downloading again lets see
03:51<cahoot>amitav: check the md5sum
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03:55<enouf>amitav: likely some crappy BIOS, and either a) emulation boot crap (either enabled in BIOS or used to burn CD ala floppy emulation), or b) just poor isolinux compatibility
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03:55<enouf>amitav: what CPU? from ~ what year?
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03:56<enouf>amitav: see if netinst will boot on another PC, if possible - which exact netinstall CD, 5.0.2?
03:57<amitav>enouf: r51 thinkpad
03:57<amitav>enouf: yh its 5.0.2
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03:58<enouf>well - hrm .. still i think you burned bad, or whacko BIOS -- try ##ibmthinkpad on freenode - and see /topic to start
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04:01<amitav>enouf: well I do have the BIOS in the circle of doubt
04:02<amitav>enouf: how can I confirm
04:02<cahoot>amitav: burnt the ubuntu disk on the same system?
04:02<amitav>enouf: its a centrino
04:03<amitav>cahoot: shall I check the md5sum of the cd or the iso?
04:04<amitav>cahoot: I had the ubuntu disk shiped to me
04:04<cahoot>I see
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04:04<amitav>cahoot: well I also tried a puppy iso and it worked fine.
04:05<cahoot>amitav: burnt on the same system?
04:05<amitav>cahoot: yes
04:07<enouf>older syslinux/isolinux like those found on older/outdated distros like puppy and DSL always work better
04:07<amitav>enouf: hmmm
04:07<enouf>no offense or anything to those distros - they're very convenient
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04:08<enouf>amitav: put SmartBootManager on floppy and boot the CD (from menu) once the floppy boots
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04:09<enouf>amitav: that's what i do with my p150 (-586 era, babyAT) that only boots win98 OEM and an old DSL without support from SBM
04:09<amitav>enouf: wish I had a floppy drive
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04:10<amitav>enouf: any other option
04:10<enouf>amitav: was puppy and debian 5.0.2 burned using SAME settings with same Application?
04:11<enouf>yeah, follow up on mine and all others' suggestions
04:11<enouf>you didn't answer half the queries
04:11<amitav>enouf: yes they were burnt using the same opensuse
04:12<enouf>opensuse isn't an application
04:12<amitav>enouf: I have only left the md5sum q unanswered so far because I am looking for the iso
04:13<amitav>enouf: well I burnt it on k3b
04:13<enouf>amitav: ok - say so ;-)
04:13<enouf>amitav: were the SETTINGS the same?
04:13<amitav>enouf: yes
04:13<cahoot>amitav: just use : wodim <my.iso> to minmize intervening layers
04:13<enouf>amitav: must 1st check ISO verifies md5/shasum
04:13<amitav>enouf: finalized both the disks
04:14<enouf>amitav: try also cahoot 's suggest
04:14<enouf>use -dao mode also
04:14<enouf>driveropts=burnfree, IIRC
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04:14<cahoot>enouf: don't overemphasize freedom
04:14<amitav>enouf: okay
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04:15<enouf>cahoot: huh?
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04:16<cahoot>enouf: lame sunday morning attempt of a joke
04:16<enouf>ahh ;-)
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04:16<bajiya>Got problem dual booting debian/solaris
04:16<bajiya>I cannot boot into debian
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04:18<bajiya>can anybody help???
04:19<amitav>bajiya: tell more about your situation
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04:19<bajiya>I installed Solaris and cannot boot debian
04:20<bajiya>I have copied the debian list from menu.lst and pasted it on solaris menu.lst but when I try to run
04:20<bajiya>debian it gives Error 2
04:20<bajiya>sorry solaris gives me this error
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04:22<amitav>bajiya: wat is solaris's bootloader?
04:24<amitav>paste your menu.lst in a paste bin
04:24<amitav>lets see
04:24<bajiya>give me a sec
04:26<enouf>bajiya: why would install grub again?
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04:26<enouf>bajiya: if debian already has it? different HDD where solaris is?
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04:27<enouf>even so, you could've used the map option
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04:30<bajiya>no no
04:30<bajiya>I have solaris and debian on same hdd
04:31<bajiya>#pragma ident "@(#)menu.lst 1.1 05/09/01 SMI"
04:31<bajiya># default menu entry to boot
04:31<bajiya>default 0
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04:32<bajiya>#pragma ident "@(#)menu.lst 1.1 05/09/01 SMI"
04:32<bajiya># default menu entry to boot
04:32<bajiya>default 0
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04:35<enouf>so why did you install grub again?
04:35<bajiya>Solaris just installed it
04:35<bajiya>and also on some forum
04:35<bajiya>it was said to install it and just paste the boot link from the
04:35<bajiya>previous menu.lst file
04:36<enouf>well solaris sucks ass if it didn't ask you
04:37<bajiya>it's been 2 days
04:37<bajiya>i've been trying to figure out
04:37<bajiya>how to do it
04:38<enouf>you have ext'd partition w/logicals, you messed it all up now, AFAICT
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04:39<bajiya>Does this means it has to be in Primary partition
04:40<enouf>boot any livecd, or debian in rescue mode, pastebin output of fdisk -l
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04:40<enouf>no idea about solaris, but an entry like hd0,2,a i've never seen - seems almost BSD slice-ish
04:42<Gekz>... dah
04:42<enouf>although - Multiboot implies better support in grub2 which uses hd0,1 as 1st HDD, 1st partition instead of GRUB1's hd0,0
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04:43<Gekz>the original grub uses logic >_>
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04:43<bajiya>You were telling me about mapping
04:43<amitav>enouf: where can I get the checksum for the netinst image
04:43<bajiya>can you pleez explain it little bit
04:44<enouf>debian mirror - wherever you d/l the ISO from
04:45<enouf>bajiya: maybe #grub on would/can - again, i know nothing about solaris, ...and i'm just giving you my impressions from the info you've given
04:46<bajiya>oh okay
04:46<enouf>bajiya: 'map' option won't work with 1 HDD anyway, and i'm not even sure grub2 uses it as grub1 does
04:46<Ilya>Where can I get help in Russian?
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04:46<bajiya>anyway, thank you very much
04:47<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
04:47<enouf>no prob
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04:48<jon_>does anyone here compiz desktop effects on their system?
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04:51<dr|z3d>rodimus: Quite a few folk, I imagine. Just ask your question..
04:51<rodimus>well i cannot seem to enable them, i've used it before in ubuntu
04:52<rodimus>i installed compiz through synaptic
04:52<rodimus>and i have not noticed any desktop effects yet
04:53<rodimus>i do not have a 3d graphics card, video is onboard,. but i've made it work in ubuntu
04:53<rodimus>now i want to do the same in debian
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05:05<wekt>rodimus: Does it appear as a session choice at the GDM login?
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05:07<rodimus>wekt i've yet to check that
05:07<rodimus>i'll try it now
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05:08<ml|>southernc: in your opinion, but i love it, xmonad rulez! ;)
05:09<southernc>omg where have you been all this time!
05:09<ml|>umm tha's classified ;)
05:09<southernc>ive been sitting here noone to talk to :(
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05:09<southernc>rodimus arent you from eh ?
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05:10<ml|>southernc: /j #debian-offtopic please
05:10<rodimus>wekt, there was an option in the sessions menu called TWM but it do anything when i tried to use it
05:11<southernc>rodimus compiz isnt going to be an option in gdm
05:11<wekt>rodimus: TWM is shipped with Xorg.
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05:17<bash>Does anyone know what the nvidia monitor setting manager is called?
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05:18<bash>nm, I found it
05:19<klaas>hello, I got a problem with initramfs; I'm trying to setup ssh so I can mount my encrypted root filesystem remotely but I can't get my network working - I keep getting no response on dhcp requests; after mounting root and normal booting network works fine though
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05:34<weasel>klaas: cisco switch?
05:34<klaas>no, fritz box dsl modem/switch
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05:37<klaas>wait thats not correct, its running in virtualbox, network is e1000 driver, and dhcp server is provided by virtualbox
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05:38<weasel>is it waiting on the bridge learning the new topology and times out before?
05:39<klaas>I get the reply of dhclient send_packet: Network is down
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05:40<klaas>it trys a few times to get a lease and then it simply exits and the 'normal' boot continues after I entered the passphrase
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05:54<dr|z3d>!lart k
05:54*dpkg beats k senseless with a 50lb Unix manual
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05:56<musca>k: lach doch mal
05:56<dpkg>epic test fail
05:56<skott>Im getting connecting to when i try to do apt-get update in lenny
05:56<k>wie komme ich raus??!
05:56<musca> /part
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05:56<skott>i followed instructions at , but i still have the same problem
05:56<skott>any way to fix it ?
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05:57<locklace>i like how he tried vi syntax at the end there
05:58<musca>yes, nice
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05:59<skott>i have set network.dns.disableIPv6 to true in iceweasel and it works, but i still have problem in connecting from the console while doing apt-get update
06:00<dpkg>i heard noipv6 is echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or
06:00<skott>locklace: dpkg: so i run the command !noipv6 and reboot the machine ?
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06:03<skott>k..ill try that
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06:05<skott>i did echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" > /etc/modprobe.conf and rebooted
06:06<skott>still says connecting to while doing apt-get update
06:06<weasel>skott: that was not what you were told to do.
06:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 388] by debhelper
06:07<weasel>god only knows what you broke with your silly command
06:07<skott>weasel: could u please tell me again, i think i misunderstood
06:07<weasel>Sun 12:00:05 <dpkg> i heard noipv6 is echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or
06:07<weasel>Sun 12:05:52 <skott> i did echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" > /etc/modprobe.conf and rebooted
06:07<weasel>not. the. same. thing.
06:08<skott>weasel: i have done those steps given in article 409
06:08<OdyX>skott: and the ">" instead of ">>" ?
06:08<weasel>no, you have not.
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06:08<Ganneff>there is a comment to that article with that command.
06:09<weasel>that makes it even less a good idea than following a random page to begin with
06:09<OdyX>yeah right... an "anonymous coward"
06:09<Ganneff>its on the intarweb, it must be true.
06:09<weasel>Ganneff: ah. ok then
06:10<Ganneff>also, what do people have against a simple blacklist ipv6 that they suggest the bin/true variant?
06:10<OdyX>skott: why disabling ipv6 in the first place ?
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06:10<enouf>why is anyone using modprobe.conf?
06:10<weasel>because they have no clue.
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06:10<weasel>(that fits to all 3 questions. do I get a cookie?)
06:10<enouf>good excuse :-0
06:11<skott>OdyX: im getting Connecting to when doing apt-get upadte from console
06:11<Squelos>can someone help me install FF 3.5 ?
06:11<Ganneff>a simple blacklist ipv6 in one of the /etc/modprobe.d/foo files and good. but why bin/true?
06:11<weasel>skott: and what makes you think that has anything to do with v6?
06:11<Squelos>actually ill probly manage it myself :)
06:11<weasel>skott: does your /etc/hosts contain any non-standard entries?
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06:12<skott>weasel: my /etc/hosts
06:12<skott>ive commented those lines involving ip6
06:12<weasel>and your sources.list?
06:13<weasel>you shouldn't have. but it shouldn't matter either
06:13<enouf>Ganneff: modprobe will look at any /etc/{modprobe.conf,modules.conf} files that exist prior (and use those values) to scanning a /etc/modprobe.d/*{.conf,*} files - but last time i saw this ipv6 being an issue was the person was running openvz
06:13<enouf>Ganneff: that is, AISTR
06:14<skott>weasel: , my sources.list
06:14<diggler>hi, after installation of lenny I am unable to login the system although login and password are identical to the one of the installation process. anyone has an idea?thx
06:14<weasel>skott: getent hosts
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06:15<skott>weasel: it returns ""
06:15<Ganneff>fix your dns
06:15<weasel>your DNS is lying to you.
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06:15<Squelos>diggler => do you have an english keyboard diggler ?
06:16<Squelos>because i know with my french keyboard, that when i login, its in english.
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06:16<Squelos>so i have to type it on the right keys in english.
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06:16<skott>weasel: since im able to browse websites in iceweasel, that means name to ip resolution is working correctly by my dns server,isnt it ?
06:16<OdyX>skott: in any case, "" is no ipv6 addresss...
06:16<weasel>no, it doesn't mean that.
06:16<OdyX>skott: your DNS can lie for one single addresss
06:17<weasel>skott: 'host'
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06:17<diggler>no i have not, but I supposed that would be ok, since you have to choose youre language settings in the installation procedure
06:17<Squelos>btw, after decompressing the tar package for FF 3.5.2, what do i need to do ?
06:17<skott>weasel: that command returned
06:18<enouf>view any README or INSTALL files Squelos
06:18<weasel>grep host /etc/nsswitch.conf
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06:18<skott>weasel: that returns "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4"
06:18<craigevil>Squelos: here is what i do >
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06:19<weasel>do you have avahi-daemon installed?
06:19<weasel>or mdns-scan?
06:19<enouf>likely even running
06:19<weasel>or anything else like that?
06:19<OdyX>Squelos: why aren't you using iceweasel ?
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06:20<craigevil>Squelos: bascially you just need to symlink the iceweasel plugins and make a menu entry or desktop for it
06:20<skott>when i do apt-get search avahi-daemon i get 'i avahi-daemon - Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD daemon'
06:20<dpkg>sidux is probably a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on
06:20<enouf>i altered mine to 'files dns' only
06:20<weasel>skott: do you use it?
06:20<skott>weasel: no i dont
06:20<Squelos>iceweasel isnt up to date
06:20<craigevil>OdyX: who said anything about sidux?
06:20<weasel>skott: remove it?
06:20<Squelos>and i need the latest FF for some add on
06:20<skott>weasel: ok, ill remove it now
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06:21<enouf>skott: netstat will/should tell you if it's running as would ifconfig -a (169.25x.x.x addys)
06:21<OdyX>craigevil: not directly... mind your urls :->
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06:21<weasel>skott: or just change your nsswitch
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06:21<craigevil>$ lsb_release -a
06:21<weasel>skott: to just contain files dns
06:21<craigevil>Distributor ID: Debian
06:21<craigevil>Description: Debian GNU/Linux unstable (sid)
06:21<OdyX>craigevil: np
06:21<skott>weasel: how to change nsswitch ?
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06:21<weasel>skott: edit it?
06:22<craigevil>yes i know where the url came from, its not from the sidux forum :)
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06:22<skott>weasel: do i remove the avahi-daemon first ?
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06:22<OdyX>craigevil: it's just that I'm certain that the iceweasel maintainers would not mind getting help to update iceweasel to be up2date
06:22<craigevil>iceweasel 3.5.1 still isnt even in sid and mozilla is on 3.5.2
06:23<OdyX>craigevil: experimental..
06:23<skott>i opened /etc/nsswitch , and its blank
06:23<craigevil>yes i have iceweasel 3.5.1
06:23<craigevil>its till a version behind mozilla
06:23<weasel>skott: try to think a bit.
06:23<enouf>skott: close it, try .conf
06:23<OdyX>craigevil: yeah... and ?
06:23<weasel>most of the interesting things are in xulrunner anyway
06:24<craigevil>and newer versions have bug/security fixes
06:24<enouf>new and improved? :-)
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06:24<amphi>enouf: you? say it's not so!
06:24<enouf>like how version 2.x.x was better than 1.x.x ?
06:24<craigevil>enouf: no thats xorg/hal/udev :)
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06:24<skott>my /etc/nsswitch.conf contains
06:25<weasel>we told you what to do already
06:25<weasel>and we know what it contains
06:25<enouf>amphi: i have been released into the wilds on my own recognisance :-p
06:25<weasel>skott: change the hosts line.
06:25<weasel>hosts: files dns
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06:25<weasel>is what you want most likely
06:26<amphi>enouf: someone is being very rash, IMHO
06:26<skott>weasel: im sorry, havent done this before, if i understand u correctly , i replace 'files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4' with 'files dns', correct ?
06:26<enouf>skott: i use rcconf to kill (annoying) startup services that i don't want running, or, i just apt-get --purge remove <pkgname> if i want to
06:26<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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06:27<enouf>skott: s/don't want running/don't want running, yet might want to at certain times, or at a later date
06:27<Ganneff>enouf: you are not helpful, thats not what he needs currently.
06:27<Ganneff>skott: yes
06:28<enouf>Ganneff: i'm not helpful? gee .. are you god or something?
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06:28<enouf>amphi: did i miss a memo?
06:28<bremner>you missed a memo
06:29<OdyX>enouf: don't say "you" to Ganneff... you'd rather use "Your Holiness" or "Magesty"
06:29<skott>rebooting my machine now
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06:29<weasel>what on earth fo...
06:29<Ganneff>weasel: its the solution to everything...
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06:29<weasel>I must have missed /that/ memo
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06:29<enouf>let's see - that makes 3 more bozos added to the box amphi ;-)
06:30<Ganneff>weasel: its probably in your spamfilter somewhere.
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06:32<skott>my /etc/nsswitch.conf now :
06:33<skott>and getent hosts says ''
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06:35<weasel>are you sure you showed us your correct etc/hosts?
06:35<OdyX>skott: what is your /etc/resolv.conf ?
06:35*weasel would strace to learn where this info comes from
06:36<skott>my /etc/resolv.conf has 'nameserver'
06:36<locklace>skott: replace it with opendns
06:36<weasel>BAD ADVICE
06:36<weasel>BAD locklace.
06:36*dr|z3d <3's OpenDNS.
06:37<weasel>the people lying to you "for your own good"?
06:37<dr|z3d>Purists, like weasel, don't.
06:37<OdyX>locklace: maybe try with dig first ?
06:37<skott> is my ADSL router
06:37<OdyX>nonono... its mine
06:38<locklace>it works, and it's fast, and 80% of ISP DNS servers and crappy dsl routers suck black holes through cocktail straws
06:38<weasel>dig apt-get install bind9?
06:38<dr|z3d>weasel: I find their error messages mostly quite useful; their advertizing I remove by default with Element Hiding Helper. :)
06:38<locklace>bind introduces whole new levels of suction
06:39*weasel shakes his head
06:39<OdyX>skott: sorry... bad joke... Can you try "dig @" and "dig @" ?
06:39*dr|z3d chuckles.
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06:39<locklace>i gave up on bind as soon as it hit 9. it makes windows look like a bastion of ironclad security by contrast, for one thing
06:40<weasel>says the guy liking opendns...
06:40<locklace>i'm open to alternatives, as long as they suck less
06:41<SouthernC>open-dns is the shit 10x faster then my isps's dns servers
06:41<dr|z3d>locklace: If you're happy about OpenDNS hijacking 404's and the like, stick with opendns. Works fine.
06:41<OdyX>locklace: you can combine :-)
06:41<skott>OdyX: heres the o/p of those two commands :
06:41<OdyX>skott: okay... local problem then...
06:42<locklace>dr|z3d: yeah, i find that only mildly annoying compared to actually getting consistent, fast dns service all the time.
06:42<weasel>not to mention censored
06:42<weasel>just run your own resolver
06:43<OdyX>skott: can you run "grep -R '' /etc/" as root ?
06:43<dr|z3d>Actually, OpenDNS's "censoring" of results is useful for newb users.. mom & pop.. makes it less likely they stumble across nastiness.
06:43<weasel>dr|z3d: and it's not 404s. it's NXDOMAINs
06:43<dr|z3d>Yeah, I know weasel. :) You know what I meant.
06:43<locklace>i might run my own when i can be arsed, but it sure as fuck won't be bind9
06:43<weasel>dr|z3d: not really. you like opendns, all bets are off
06:44<OdyX>at least verisign very-resigned
06:44<skott>OdyX: that returns
06:44<dr|z3d>weasel: Fwiw, *I* use Tor to do all my local resolves. :)
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06:44<bremner>I just ask weasel what things resolve to
06:44<OdyX>skott: "host" again ?
06:45<weasel>skott: grep 1.0 /etc/hosts
06:45<weasel>bremner: the answer always is
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06:45<enouf>InfoSpace, ugh
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06:46<eb0168>hello, I'm in debian testing on amd64 and daily update uninstalled nvidia-glx-ia32 and I can't reinstall it
06:46<skott>host shows
06:46<OdyX>eb0168: don't you check what apt{,itude} wants to delete ?
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06:47<skott>and grep 1.0 /etc/hosts returns nothing
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06:47<weasel>skott: strace getent hosts
06:47<eb0168>OdyX, on daily update it seems to not show it
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06:48<weasel>skott: also, dig -t aaaa @
06:48<eb0168>OdyX: or maybe I didn't look carefully
06:48<skott>weasel: k
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06:50<eb0168>it says that nvidia-glx-ia32 depends on "ia32-libs but must not be installed"
06:50<OdyX>eb0168: it might be that ia32-libs is b0rken these days...
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06:51<enouf>judd: versions ia32-libs --arch amd64
06:51<judd>enouf: ia32-libs -- etch: 1.19 lenny: 2.7 squeeze: 2.7 sid: 21
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06:51<OdyX>judd is not up2date...
06:51<judd>OdyX: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
06:51<OdyX>Squeeze: 20090804 Sid: 20090808
06:51<enouf>eb0168: apt-listchanges, and apt-listbugs might also do you well in the future
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06:52<eb0168>I use synaptic
06:52<skott>the o/p of strace and dig
06:52<enouf>eb0168: and are "daily updates" really needed? unless you want to submit but reports and patches, things in testing can and will break from time to time
06:53<weasel>skott: interesting. so the straced getent returned the correct IP address
06:53<eb0168>enouf, oh ok but how do I revert back ?
06:54<Squelos>why does iceweasel launch when i try to launch firefox ? :-_-
06:54<chealer>eb0168: surely you didn't look carefully, synaptic doesn't remove packages without telling
06:54<dr|z3d>Squelos: locate firefox-bin
06:54<eb0168>Squelos, iceweasel IS firefox in 64 bits
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06:54<eb0168>(in debian that is)
06:54<Squelos>oh its firefox bin i have to launch.
06:55<Squelos>eb0168 => iceweasel isnt up to date :)
06:55<skott>do i have to do something about the dns server ?
06:55<weasel>something is really weird about your system.
06:55<OdyX>in and out...
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06:56<dr|z3d>skott: Take weasel's advice, run a local dns server.
06:56<skott>dr|z3d: k
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06:56<weasel>dr|z3d: see, his dns server returns the correct answer.
06:56<weasel>his getent does too, when straced.
06:56<weasel>but not without strace
06:56<weasel>something is seriously fucked
06:56<dr|z3d>weasel: Yeah, oddness all round.
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06:57<dr|z3d>If this was Windows, I'd suspect malware.
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06:58<wekt>Can weak PCs (900MHz CPU, 512MB RAM) run compiz well? without the 3D?
06:58<dr|z3d>wekt: Compiz without 3d is like a car without wheels.
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06:58<OdyX>wekt: depends highly on the graphics card... You might prefer to run KDE4 or similar
06:58<dr|z3d>Compiz _is_ a 3d compositor.
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06:59<enouf>wekt: you don't need compiz
06:59<dr|z3d>wekt: Xfce and compositing should be fine on 900Mhz.
06:59<enouf>wekt: you don't want any DE either, IMHO
06:59<ml|>nodoby needs compiz ;)
07:00<wekt>Switching from KDE to Gnome, I miss some of the customizability, though I like some other things like better integration with OpenOffice and Iceweasel.
07:00<dr|z3d>enouf: You don't know what his pc use case is.. ;)
07:00<dr|z3d>wekt: Like I said, you're better off with Xfce on 900Mhz..
07:00<OdyX>wekt: try gtk-qt-engine
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07:00<dr|z3d>Pretty much looks and functions like Gnome, without the bloat.
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07:00<wekt>OdyX: I did. It didn't work well.
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07:00<wekt>OdyX: good idea though.
07:01<ml|>or lxde or even better just a window manger
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07:01<dr|z3d>(and Xfce has an adequate compositing engine for all your transparent windows and shadows).
07:01<wekt>I was surprised that bothe xfce and lxde use DBus.
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07:03<amitav_>enouf: i have burnt a cd with the netinst image.(checked the md5sum before burning). it shows isolinux 3.71 debian <date>
07:03<amitav_>enouf: then it gives an error
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07:04<chealer>eb0168: it isn't. iceweasel is a DFSG-free pseudo-fork of Firefox
07:04<chealer>!tell eb0168 about iceweasel
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07:05<eb0168>oh ok
07:06<eb0168>I am more interested in installing that nvidia-glx-ia32 actually
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07:08<eb0168>if I revert to stable should it work ?
07:09<enouf>amitav_: error is?
07:09<OdyX>eb0168: should... but downgrading is not supported..
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07:09<enouf>dr|z3d: wekt: i run a pII (350MHz), and a dual CPU xeon (1.7G each), each with 512M RAM ... and i know bloatware :-p
07:10<dr|z3d>enouf: I'm sure you do :) Not questioning that, but for many users an OS w/o a DE is next to useless.
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07:10<amitav_>enouf: well I could not read the full error. it had something like boot error and something about the disk. second time, the error does not appear and it is stuck at ISOLINUX 33.71
07:10<enouf>dr|z3d: shame, isn't it?
07:10*dr|z3d chuckles.
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07:13<amitav_>*3.71 i mean
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07:15<legnaleurc>Did any one uses 'wine-unstable' and has problem with library path?
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07:16<legnaleurc>It does not use '/usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu/'
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07:19<darkwizzard>the wifi led on my laptop won't turn on, but it can scan for wireless networks
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07:20<melkor_>darkwizzard: Chipset?
07:20<melkor_>darkwizzard: Can you connect to wireless networks?
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07:21<darkwizzard>Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)
07:21<darkwizzard>well there are no public hotspots here which work, but I can see them, signal strenght and everything
07:21<darkwizzard>in knetworkmanager
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07:22<melkor_>hm doesnt know the atheros driver well, only used intel chipsets
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07:22<darkwizzard>it seems to work, but I think it's always on, that's not too good for the battery I guess
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07:22<melkor_>if you can connect, i would try to find out why the led is turned off
07:22<melkor_>would not I mean *gg
07:23<melkor_>you haven't got a hardware switch?
07:23<darkwizzard>well, you see in windows if the wireless led is turned off then I can't scan networks
07:23<darkwizzard>nope, only Fn+F2
07:24<melkor_>yeah it's a driver issue i suppose
07:24<darkwizzard>hmm, this is the driver
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07:25<darkwizzard>I have 2.6.30 kernel
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07:26<d4rkl0rd>can anybody help me with dist-upgrade from current stable to testing? dist-upgrade is failing on openoffice-mailemerge (dpkg return exit code 1)
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07:27<d4rkl0rd>and other thing is that it installed mysql-server which i don't want (and probably many other packages)
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07:29<melkor_>darkwizzard: Sorry I don't know how to help you.
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07:31<Squelos>hello i've got a problem. when i go onto a page with flash on it, iceweasel closes
07:31<craigevil>isnt that what flash is designed to do
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07:32<Squelos>i got the plugin flash non free installed
07:32<craigevil>Squelos: take a look at
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07:33<Squelos>craig. firefox crash going onto that page
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07:34<rodimus>anyone have any tips for speeding up a computer with compiz running?
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07:35<Squelos>a good conf file
07:35<Squelos>or, deactivate compiz
07:35<dr|z3d>rodimus: Sure. Turn compiz off.
07:35<rodimus>i've run compiz on ubuntu and it was fairly smooth, its rather choppy on debian though
07:35<rodimus>i know it cam be done
07:35<dr|z3d>rodimus: Also, try a lightweight DE with Compiz.. Xfce, for example.
07:36<rodimus>dr|z3d, ok
07:36<dr|z3d>rodimus: And be sparing with the effects you choose.
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07:36<dr|z3d>Wobbly windows are fun for about 5 minutes, but don't add much of substance to the party..
07:36<rodimus>Squelos, are you referring to the xorg.conf file?
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07:37<Squelos>i know getting my xorg.conf file right helped me a lot. compiz was very slow before, and then amazingly fast after.
07:38<Squelos>but rodimus, im no expert concerning linux or debian.
07:38<rodimus>Squelos, what helped you with the conf file?
07:38<chealer>d4rkl0rd: just ask your question(s)
07:38<Squelos>rodimus, is your GPU nvidia ?
07:38<rodimus>no i dont think so
07:38<Squelos>uh, adding loads of options into it.
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07:39<Squelos>i just followed a guide on the internet.
07:39<rodimus>Squelos, do you remember where you found the guide?
07:39<Squelos>I needed to add some options into it. it worked fine after that.
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07:39<Squelos>rodimus : no sorry :s
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07:39<Squelos>rodimus, are your drivers installed properly ?
07:40<bremner>how would he know? start by figuring out what graphics card
07:41<Squelos>bremner, be nice with newcomers, i was like him 48hours ago. Well i know what graphics card i had
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07:42<bremner>Squelos: I am being nice to him, I'm trying to suggest a fruitful way you could help him.
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07:42<rodimus>my vodeo card is an intel extreme graphics2 3d
07:42<rodimus>video card io mean
07:42<Squelos>fuck, i dont know anything with them intel chips.
07:42<bremner>rodimus: what version of xserver-xorg-video-intel do you have?
07:43<rodimus>im not sure, how do i find out?
07:43<bremner>rodimus: apt-cache policy packagename (for any package)
07:44<Squelos>this might help rodimus
07:46<rodimus>is it odd that i have 512mb of ram but my computer only reads that i have 496 mb?
07:46<OdyX>rodimus: shared memory for the graphics card
07:47<rodimus>is it odd that my xorg.conf file is enmpty currently?
07:47<azeem>!empty xorg.conf
07:47<dpkg>[empty xorg.conf] in Lenny, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often empty, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg from Lenny onwards.
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07:48<Squelos>Xorg -Configure
07:48<Squelos>Xorg -configure
07:48<azeem>Squelos: hrm?
07:48<Squelos>then cp ./ /etc/X11/xorg.conf
07:48<azeem>Squelos: did rodimus ask about configuring?
07:48<azeem>I think rodimus asked about the emtpy xorg.conf
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07:48<Squelos>yes, well thats how to fill it in :)
07:49<Squelos>btw rodimus, you are lucking compiz is running with an empty xorg.conf file.
07:49<OdyX>Squelos: did you read the line beginning with [empty xorg.conf] ?
07:49<OdyX>Squelos: no... compiz runs perfectly fine with an empty xorg.conf (given not too exotic hardware)
07:49<rodimus>its acting very sluggish
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07:50<Plorf>hi there
07:50<OdyX>can you run "glxinfo | grep direct"
07:50<rodimus>OdyX, me?
07:50<Squelos>given not too exotic hardware => well if you consider recent GPU's as exotic hardware, im ok with you then;
07:51<chealer>rodimus: kind of, it is a known bug
07:51<OdyX>rodimus: yeah..
07:51<rodimus>it says "direct rendering" yes
07:52<chealer>dpkg: empty xorg.conf =~ #empty#basically empty#
07:52<dpkg>chealer: wish i knew
07:52<azeem>chealer: basically empty?
07:52<craigevil>the problem is the intel drivers are just wacked, sid uses UXA but in testing you need EXA to get half way decent fps without crashing
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07:53<chealer>azeem: well, it's not a 0 bit file
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07:53<melkor_>has someone experienced periodic freezes with kde 4.3?
07:53<chealer>melkor_: ask #debian-kde
07:53<azeem>chealer: what is it?
07:54<rodimus>this is what my xorg.conf file looks like
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07:54<azeem>rodimus: so it's not empty
07:54<bremner>its also not syntactically valid
07:54<azeem>chealer: AIUI, xorg.conf can also be empty/nonexistant in lenny
07:54<azeem>rodimus: did you modify it yourself?
07:54<abrotman>it can be missing
07:55<rodimus>it was empty but the website with the guide squelo gave me told me to add those lines to it
07:55<craigevil>its missing the Section and EndSection as well as description parts
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07:55<chealer>azeem: due to the bug, yes, but the factoid talks about normal conditions
07:57<craigevil>wasnt a fix or whatever uploaded to proposed-updates for the lenny xorg
07:57<chealer>dpkg: <reply>Starting from Lenny, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg.
07:57<dpkg>chealer: what are you talking about?
07:57<chealer>dpkg: no, empty xorg.conf is <reply>Starting from Lenny, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg.
07:57<dpkg>chealer: okay
07:57<craigevil>rodimus: i dont use compiz but this is my xorg.conf to give you an better idea>
07:57<rodimus>ok thank you
07:58<chealer>sorry, I don't even remember how to do partial modifications
07:58<Plorf>do you know any issue in sid about intel driver ?
07:58<azeem>chealer: 1. which bug? 2. can't it actually be totally empty as well?
07:58<chealer>craigevil: yes
07:58<craigevil>Plorf: works fine here
07:58<bremner>Plorf: yes, look in x-strike-force wiki
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07:58<Plorf>got a link plz ?
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07:59<Plorf>thx :/ lol
07:59<chealer>azeem: 1. #535624 2. not under normal conditions
07:59<abrotman>Plorf: ?
07:59<bremner>Plorf: basically they warn with some intel hardware, the new architecture might not work well
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08:04<rodimus>!xorg config
08:04<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank but you can feed xorg settings using it still. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout and use "X -configure" as a template for your handwritten xorg.conf.
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08:06<abrotman>except the second one will wipe out the first one
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08:07<Blacker47>hello, anyone know how to count ram-usage of kernel on runing system? i think there is a mem-leak or something like it
08:07<craigevil>doesnt console-data handle the keyboard now
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08:07<rodimus>craigevil, does this look any better?
08:07<bremner>Blacker47: vmstat, or top, or htop
08:08<craigevil>rodimus: i havent a clue how it should look for compiz ive never messed with it
08:08<rodimus>yeah but is the syntax correct?
08:08<Blacker47>bremner, top/htop shows in both situation the same but on one running a have 220 mb in total and on other running 540 mb total usage
08:08<azeem>rodimus: does it work?
08:09<rodimus>azeem, have not tried it yet
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08:09<rodimus>i guess i will try it now
08:09<rodimus>should i reboot or just logout
08:09<craigevil>rodimus: if not try something like this>
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08:10<Blacker47>bremner, or in different question: i want to find out, there the 300 MB of ram is going and htop/top seems not be able to help me
08:10<craigevil>thats from the debianeeepc wiki, since they use intel it should work
08:10<rodimus>craigevil, thank you
08:11<bremner>Blacker47: you mean top and htop give you different answers?
08:11<dr|z3d>Blacker47: System cache, probably.
08:11<Blacker47>bremner, no, the same but there is no task that could consume 300 MB
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08:12<Blacker47>rebooting the systems helps mostly.. in few days it repeates..
08:12<bremner>Blacker47: how much does top say is "cached", second ling at right
08:12<bremner>Blacker47: what is the actual problem?
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08:15<Blacker47>bremner, sometimes after booting ram-usage without cache and w/o buffers: 540 MB and sometimes 220 MB. it should be allways 220 MB. in case of 540 MB there is no task in top/htop/ps that could consume that much ram. I want to find out that is consuming that ram and why. now I have to reboot the machine to have 220 MB (allways approx). there is no possibility like "kill X-server" to get this >300 MB
08:16<Blacker47>I belive it is a mem-leak of kernel and that i can't see kernel-ram-usage in top/htop
08:16<Blacker47>it also could be a root-kit :-/
08:19<bremner>Blacker47: are you sure restarting the X server doesn't fix it?
08:19<sophi>If You think that this is a kernel, so maybie compile it for yourself?
08:19*bremner has vague memories of a command to give a map of vm usage
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08:20<Blacker47>bremner, this may be helpfull
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08:21<Blacker47>sophi, i would dislike to compile the own kernel.. the second thing is that i am using nvidia-driver from unfree-repository. then i need to compile it also by myself. the error may also be in the nvidia-driver.. the problem is that it happens mostly unpredictable so it not easy to test
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08:23<Blacker47>the last time i saw the error before totay is 1 - 1.5 weeks ago. so it wouldn't be a good test with different kernel because i wouldn't see the change immedately. what i want is to find out what is consuming that ram
08:24<sophi>i'm not sure, but can't You do it by module-assistant, when You installed kernel headers.. I got problems with my system, after updating to squeeze, and switched to free radeon drivers
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08:24<sophi>And I compiled kernel, everything just worked
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08:25<Blacker47>it would not be the first time i would compile the kernel and nvidia-modules by myself, but the last time i compiled working kernel was 5 years in the past
08:26<abrotman>have you tried not using the nvidia binary drivers?
08:26<Blacker47>i would like to find the error instead of workaround
08:26<bremner>but if the error is in nvidia binary drivers, how will you find it?
08:26<abrotman>you can't find hte error in the nvidia driver .. it's binary only
08:26<Blacker47>abrotman, not. i could try this but how sayed i not sure i could see the changes because it not happen every day
08:27<abrotman>so try it for a few days ?
08:27<bremner>there is kerneltop, but I don't know if it needs a custom kernel
08:28<Blacker47>bremner, find the error by a table that says that the nvidia-driver consumes >100MB? but how to get this table?
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08:29<Blacker47>"it needs prifiling enabled on kernel and on boot time" and not for modules.. :-(
08:29<bremner>you can also try sysprof and oprofile
08:29*abrotman would just ditch the nvidia thing for a few days
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08:30<bremner>yeah, me too. But the tools sound cool :)
08:31<Blacker47>profiling sounds like a bit too much...
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08:31<bremner>thats all I got...
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08:33<Blacker47>and it seems to mostly concentrate on cpu usage not on ram usage
08:33<sophi>well, i got some sort of idea, the program top, haves the ability to show different memory usage, by selecting adictional fields, just press 'f' key and You can switch column of for instance code size of process
08:34<sophi>Maybie some of this additional column will sugest You an answer
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08:34<Blacker47>you mean this virt/res/shr, etc?
08:35<sophi>Yes, but You can turn on more
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08:35<sophi>press 'f' to list of columns
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08:36<indos>bcgfhk nvhhgkhjbjbj
08:36<skott>weasel: hello, i was talking to you earlier about the connecting to problem
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08:49<Plorf>hi, i'm back, i've find where my bug is :)
08:50<Plorf>i've got a bug into sid, into xorg while using the driver intel, when i'm using vesa it's running quite well :)
08:50<Plorf>but that's weird because while using under testing it's ok but while under sid it crashed, all seems to be the same except the kernel
08:51<azeem>Plorf: it's not weird, it's what can happen with unstable
08:51<bremner>seems to be the same?
08:51<azeem>the kernel?
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08:55<Plorf>azeem: i'm glad to find, so i can use it now :p
08:56<Plorf>because under testing i can't get the wifi :/
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08:57<Plorf>which driver should i use instead of intel ?
08:57<Plorf>because vesa is a quite too simple
08:58<Plorf>how can i make the intel driver up to date ?
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08:59<abrotman>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
08:59<judd>abrotman: xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 squeeze: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 experimental: 2: sid: 2:2.8.0-2
09:00<sophi>Well, i say sommething that might help, i got a radeon X1250, so i can't get direct rendering on radeon driver, i found out that mesa drivers are to old to recognize card, and i updated it with xorg from sid, it worked, but system was crashing from time to time
09:00<abrotman>seems the one in sid is newer than experimental .. not sure what intel website is offering
09:00<sophi>until i compiled the kernel
09:00<sophi>so maybie that would help You also
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09:02<sophi>sorry, i'm not very good with my english :)
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09:05<Plorf>judd: i'll try will the experimental package then :)
09:05<judd>Plorf: Error: "i'll" is not a valid command.
09:05<abrotman>Plorf: it's *older*
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09:08<Plorf>i'm checking for the diff between the sid and experimental release of xorg-intel
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09:11<Blacker47>bremner, i may found the source of big ram consuming.. updatedb. the sort-prozess consumes only 50 MB but the system has ~250 mb more ram usage..
09:11<skott>im able to do apt-get update after i ping the location in my sources.list
09:12<skott>but then apt-get resets back to
09:12<skott>and i have to ping the location again to make it work
09:12<skott>any way to fix this ?
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09:12<Plorf>i'll be back soon
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09:14<cahoot>skott: dns problems? what's in /etc/resolv.conf?
09:14<abrotman>skott: why did you ask on the other network and then quit?
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09:15<abrotman>Blacker47: that should go away when done
09:15<sophi>Blacker47, i hate that program, it runs from cron, and when it runs, it makes my computer so slow, i just deleted it from cron :)
09:15<skott>abrotman: i had got dc
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09:16<Blacker47>but i doesn't.. updatedb is now ready and i am on 630 MB to prevorious 400 MB.. there seems to be some kind of memleaks or buffers.. don't know
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09:16<skott>cahoot: in my resolv.conf 'nameserver'
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09:16<abrotman>sounds like a proxy
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09:17<skott>thats my adsl router
09:17<Blacker47>abrotman, i think i should report it as a bug in kernel
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09:17<skott>strange thing is it gets back to and then i have to ping the site again
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09:18<cahoot>abrotman: the proxy comment intended for skott?
09:18<abrotman>Blacker47: uh .. i doubt it .. it sounds perfectly normal .. the kernel is buffering files ..
09:18<abrotman>Blacker47: what makes you think you have a memory link ?
09:18<abrotman>memory leak ?
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09:19<Blacker47>abrotman, updatedb is ready. >200 more ram consuming stays. it is not shown as buffer or cache it is just consumed ram
09:19<abrotman>Blacker47: how are you measuring? show us the pastes in a pastebin ..
09:19<sophi>Blacker47, that's just assumption, but maybie it loads shared libs, and until there's no need for extra memory, there's no need to unload them, or maybie as abroman says
09:20<abrotman>sounds to me like it's buffering it
09:20<Blacker47>sophi, updatedb should not need that much shared libs
09:20<Blacker47>measuring with ksensors, top, htop, free. all the same results
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09:21<Blacker47>now it is:
09:23<sophi>Blacker47 probably not, but buffering files, maybie comand 'sync' would free some?
09:23<skott>now when i do getent hosts it shows ''
09:23<Blacker47>no, sync don't help
09:23<skott>now if i ping it once , getent will show the right ip
09:24<skott>but after some time it will again show for that url
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09:24<Blacker47>updatedb should not produce that much changes.. so it would be more cache..
09:25<skott>why does it reset back to ?
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09:27<sophi>Well, it's worth to try :), but maybie until You need memory, there's no need to free it, that's a quess, i see there is almost no swap usage, cleaning ram shuldn't take too much time ;)
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09:29<Blacker47>sophi, maybe but then there is at least a bug on reporting cache/ram size.. maybe i test it later by consuming much memory and then stop consuming and see if i would got less then prevorious
09:30<sophi>or turn off this updatedb :)
09:31<sophi>i'm curious what process use it
09:33<skott>could it be a caching issue with my dns server ?
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09:38<abrotman>Blacker47: one paste does not show a memory leak
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09:39<abrotman>Blacker47: and you have a very large amount of physical memory that can still be used
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09:46<Blacker47>abrotman, used-mem = 400, updatedb; used-mem = 630 -> not good
09:46<abrotman>you're counting wrong
09:46<abrotman>!free ram
09:46<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
09:47<rodimus>!xorg config
09:47<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank but you can feed xorg settings using it still. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout and use "X -configure" as a template for your handwritten xorg.conf.
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09:48<Slurb_>how do you list samba shares?
09:48<abrotman>smbclient -L
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09:51<zimbres>hi, I've burned debian502amd64.iso on a cd and when I boot my system I am not beeing able to boot from the cd I get the message "boot from CD/DVD: " and if i type something nothing happens and it continues an boots from hd
09:51<zimbres>What should I do? Did I burned the right thing?
09:51<cahoot>zimbres: faulty burn?
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09:52<zimbres>cahoot, The burning process was succesful
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09:52<cahoot>zimbres: yes but burnt as image or what?
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09:53<zimbres>cahoot, I have downloaded the file debian-502-amd64-CD-1.iso and burned I think as data
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09:54<cahoot>zimbres: in windows?
09:54<abrotman>zimbres: what other OS do you have near you ?
09:54<zimbres>cahoot, Ubuntu
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09:54<abrotman>zimbres: if you put the CD in the drive on ubuntu, do you see a single .iso file on the CD or a bunch of files and directories ?
09:54<icebrain>hi, the only packages that depends on Hal is Xorg. Does it only uses it to cofigure devices connected after boot? Can I disable Hal?
09:55<zimbres>abrotman, I see only debian-502-amd64-CD-1.iso
09:56<abrotman>then you burnt as data .. you need to burn it as an image
09:56<abrotman>icebrain: you could just try and see
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09:58<icebrain>abrotman: the problem is that xserver-xorg depends on Hal, so even if it works without it I can't remove Hal
09:58<sophi>Well, i know that with hal i cannot connect my olympus camera earlier, because it doesn't mount it, and there wasn't any new device in /dev, but when i turn this demon off, i could mount it by 'mount' (it makes the device dissapear in /dev), the kde3 was complaining about turned off hal, but nothing else
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09:59<zimbres>abrotman, What speed should I choose?
09:59<abrotman>i say 8x or slower
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10:19<ans-unknown>is there anyone establish their own google wave server?
10:19<xeon-enouf>icebrain: check the BTS
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10:21<Slurb_>microsoft is evil they took away their speech software from office 2007
10:22<icebrain>xeon-enouf: why?
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10:22<icebrain>xeon-enouf: oh, the "Please provide a minimal hal package"?
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10:25<icebrain>xeon-enouf: but Xorg has to be updated to include DeviceKit support, hasn't it?
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10:25<Slurb>i love lenny
10:26<Slurb>no broken hal
10:26<Slurb>gcc-4.4.1 works
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10:27<Slurb>i have a deb if anyones interested
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10:27<Slurb>compiled on lenny for amd64
10:27<xeon-enouf>icebrain: no, X works fine without hal
10:27<xeon-enouf>icebrain: there's tons of discussion there about it all - it's a bit messy
10:27<Slurb>hal just doesnt work without hal
10:27<bremner>Slurb: next step, learn reprepro and make an apt-gettable web site
10:27<Slurb>i like what hal does
10:28<xeon-enouf>icebrain: so, what's your issue with hal, to be, or not to be
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10:28<dpkg>hmm... reprepro is a tool for managing a repository. See for ideas of how to set it up for you own packages.
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10:29<xeon-enouf>icebrain: and note; personally consolekit is the pkg that annoys the crap out of me
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10:29<Blacker47>[15:46:49] <abrotman> you're counting wrong <-- no. free is counting and it should not be wrong
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10:29<icebrain>xeon-enouf: I haven't tried any of them (*kit), but Hal seems too big for my lean config
10:30<xeon-enouf>!gentoosmite icebrain
10:30*dpkg spends 5 days recompiling icebrain, and when it's all done, icebrain runs 5% slower than previously
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10:34<Slurb>dpkg should have updated his libs first
10:34<dpkg>Slurb: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
10:34<Slurb>dpkg yes
10:34<dpkg>really??? wohoo!
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10:40<eb0168>does anyone else have a problem with nvidia-glx-ia32 and ia32-libs ?
10:40<bremner>!tell eb0168 -about ask
10:42<eb0168>when I try to install nvidia-glx-ia32 it tells me it depends on ia32-libs but that it must not be installed
10:42<bremner>eb0168: are you running sid?
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10:43<bremner>ia32-libs is a mess; it is supposed to be reuploaded soon AFAIK
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10:44<eb0168>description of ia32-libs says it conflicts with many things (like nvidia-glx-ia32)
10:44<eb0168>I couldn't find a way to downgrade ia32-libs
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10:45<goodger>eb0168: just leave it alone for the moment
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10:46<krystek_>error: asm/page.h: No such file or directory, during compile cc
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10:47<azeem>krystek_: did you install build-essential
10:48<krystek_>um... no. checking ;)
10:48<krystek_>oh, yes, it's already installed
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10:49<krystek_>azeem: i compiled kernel by my own
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10:50<azeem>krystek_: then maybe you didn't install the headers properly
10:50<azeem>if you compile your kernel on your own, you should know how to compile stuff against it as well
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10:50<krystek_>fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd - that's how i created my .deb package
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10:52<krystek_>ah, now it's time for make-kpkg kernel_headers ;)
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10:52<Slurb>what port does reprepro run?
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10:53<chahibi_>I have just installed the stable version of Debian. I encountered several problems.
10:53<bremner>Slurb: it doesn't. it manipulates the file system
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10:54<chahibi_>I configured my system keyboard layout to use French. The result was that the console uses French but the X server was still Qwerty. It didn't change even when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. What can I do?
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10:54<Slurb>well how do people connect to my repository then?
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10:55<bremner>Slurb: via e.g. apache
10:55<Slurb>port 80?
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10:55<chealer>chahibi_: do you enter fr as your layout in debconf?
10:55<bremner>Slurb: don't you have a web page somewhere? put it there. You can rsync it to a remote host.
10:56<chahibi_>chealer: If you mean the installer, yes
10:56<Slurb>i dont have a page anywhere
10:57<bremner>hmm, well, running your own web server is a bit of a respsibility securitywise
10:57<bremner>also ISPs hate it
10:57<mjk>chahibi_: In section "InputDevice", Driver "kbd" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, you could set: Option "XkbLayout" "fr"
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10:58<mjk>chahibi_: Of course, it would be nice to know why this is not in xorg.conf (or is it already?), but I can't help here ...
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10:58<chahibi_>mjk: xorg.conf is empty, why?
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10:58<mjk>chahibi_: Oh!
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10:58<moho>hey guys
10:59<chealer>chahibi_: did you restart X after using debconf?
10:59<chahibi_>chealer, mjk: it looks like a known bug
10:59<chealer>chahibi_: which Debian suite do you use?
10:59<chahibi_>chealer, mjk: I will upgrade my system and see what it does
11:00<chahibi_>chealer: Debian the latest stable
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11:00<mjk>chahibi_: Can't make things worse ;-)
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11:01<chahibi_>mjk: indeed
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11:01<chealer>chahibi_: upgrade your xorg to the version in stable-proposed-updates, or write xorg.conf without using debconf
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11:07<mjk>Probably while installing all available xfonts-* pkgs, the default font for xterm ("fixed") lost its Euro character, I guess it's now iso-8859-1, whereas before it was iso-8859-15. How can I make the fixed-variant for iso-8859-15 the default without having to configure each font in my xterm app-defaults? Xorg.log prints the folllowing font path:
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11:11<chahibi_>chealer, mjk: upgrading with stable-proposed-updates fixes it, thanks
11:11<krystek_>azeem: headers are installed, no idea why i cant compile..
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11:18<mjk>chahibi_: Good! =)
11:18<chahibi_>mjk: I added deb lenny-proposed-updates main contrib non-free
11:19<chahibi_>mjk: but I can't find "module-assistant"
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11:21<mjk>chahibi_: Hm, strange.
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11:22<azeem>chahibi_: why do you think m-a is in lenny-proposed-updates?
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11:23<chahibi_>azeem: I rather think it is in "main"
11:23<azeem>so what is your problem?
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11:23<chahibi_>azeem: I don't know what to add in sources.list to get "module-assistant"
11:23<azeem>as you said, it's in main
11:24<azeem>if you do not have the main lenny deb source, then your sources.list is buggy and you should fix it
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11:24<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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11:25<melindaj>hello,i have a usb hard drive , when i plug it in ,in lenny, i get a message 'Cannot mount volume.Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume.'
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11:26<chahibi_>azeem: Here is it
11:26<melindaj>any way to fix this problem ?
11:27<azeem>chahibi_: see above
11:27<azeem>you're missing the main lenne deb
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11:29<melindaj>my /etc/fstab
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11:30<bremner>melindaj: is your external drive formatted? If so, how? FAT? NTFS?
11:31<melindaj>bremner: any way to check that ?
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11:31<sophi>fdisk -l
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11:32<chahibi_>azeem: yes, thanks
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11:32<melindaj>fdisk -l gives
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11:33<dpkg>[ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 main drivers in Debian: the Linux kernel driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: .
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11:34<bremner>melindaj: /msg dpkg ntfsro
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11:34<melindaj>dpkg ntfsro
11:34<dpkg>add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want.
11:35<dpkg>from memory, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Packaged for Debian, available for Lenny or through for Etch (ask me about < etch> for instructions). Usage examples: . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
11:37<melindaj>bremner: should i install ntfs-3g ?
11:38<bremner>Maybe somebody disagrees, but I think that is the best option currently.
11:38<chahibi_>I am following, there is no "Module" or "Device" section in my xorg.conf. Do I have to add them or will X automatically choose the nvidia driver?
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11:39<melindaj>bremner: thank u..that worked :)
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11:40*bremner probably shouldn't give advice when on antihistamines :)
11:42<southernc>!seen ml|
11:42<dpkg>ml| <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4h 41m 26s ago, saying: 'or lxde or even better just a window manger'.
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11:59<k1lumin4t1>Using Debian Squeeze with KDE 4.2 sound's a mess. I always need to force-reload alsa in order to get it working correctly. If i don't do it no audio related app can attach to alsa
11:59<Slurb_>i keep getting a file not found error when apt tries to update with my repository
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12:00<sophi>like there is no apt?
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12:02<bartm>Slurb_: exact error message?
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12:03<Slurb_>Err lenny/main Packages 404 Not Found
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12:04<bartm>Slurb_: surf to and find out the exact line to put in /etc/apt/sources.list
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12:04<Slurb_>nothing is found
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12:05<sophi>use official repo?
12:06<bartm>sophi: exactly :)
12:06<bremner>he is playing with his own repo. I created a monster
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12:06<bartm>bremner: created a monster?
12:06<Slurb_>i have /home/abraham/ set as apache2 root and /home/abraham/ as the reprepro place
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12:07<bremner>Slurb_: it should look like this at the url you give apt
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12:08<bremner>bartm: encouraged this experiment=created a monster
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12:08<bartm>bremner: right I understand now
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12:10<vook>does mutt have an address book feature and/or is it possible to save an address from an e-mail to an address book in mutt ?
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12:11<Gathond>vook: it does, 'a' to add an "alias" for an email sender
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12:11<Gathond>it will be added to ~.muttrc (or elsewhere if you have specified the aliases going elsewhere)
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12:11<vook>cool, thanks
12:11<mfrisch>Hey abrotman WHATS UP!!
12:13<mfrisch>what's the command to make a package list for cloneing systems???
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12:14<bremner>dpkg --get-selections
12:14<dpkg>bremner: are you smoking crack?
12:14<bartm>dpkg: read your own manpage :)
12:14<dpkg>bartm: I don't know, could you explain it?
12:14<mfrisch>bremner: that's it just not all of it dpkg had a blurb know it?
12:15<vook>apt-cache pkgnames
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12:15<bremner>mfrisch: sorry, nope. Try /query dpkg for a bit. She desrves it.
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12:16<sophi>dpkg -i windows
12:16*dpkg removes a liver from sophi and replaces it with windows
12:16<mfrisch>bremner: figured it out well got the list and will figure out the rest when I need to THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!1
12:16<vook>dpkg -i xmas_lemmings
12:16*dpkg installs xmas_lemmings into vook's head with a bone saw and a few screws
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12:20<rudi_s_>vook: If you want a more complex address book have a look at abook.
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12:21<southernc>or go to staples and buy one (:0P
12:22<Slurb_>how do i search a certain repo for files with aptitude
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12:23<southernc>Slurb_: if you did aptitude update just do aptitude -S filename
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12:24<southernc>or search
12:25<southernc>or you can simply just type the adress in webbrowser or ftp to it etc
12:25<southernc>if you want to search a specific repo
12:25<Slurb_>southernc: its not finding it
12:26<southernc>what are you looking for
12:26<Slurb_>i made a repo and added it to my sources and added my gcc-4.4.1-1.deb to it and updated and its not finding it
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12:27<southernc>whats the repo ?
12:28<bremner>Slurb_: it's a web site. Surf it.
12:28<hoploop>repository fil
12:28<southernc>no hes saying he made a pkg and added it to his own repo so he can share it
12:29<Slurb_>deb "" main contrib nonfree
12:29<southernc>nice name lol
12:29<craigevil>gcc-4.4.1-1 is in sid why not just backport it
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12:30<southernc>charles manson
12:30<Slurb_>craig then it would require sid libraries
12:30<Slurb_>big hassle
12:30<Slurb_>so i just built one
12:30<Slurb_>apt keeps thinking 4.3 is newer though
12:30<bremner>this word backport, I do not think it means what you think it means
12:30<southernc>deb "" apt main contrib
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12:31<Slurb_>deb "" lenny main contrib nonfree
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12:31<southernc>you need to add a / if your gonna do it that way
12:32<southernc>deb "" lenny main contrib
12:32<southernc>deb "" lenny main contrib
12:32<Slurb_>deb lenny main non-free contrib
12:32<Slurb_>trhats the exact line
12:32<craigevil>bremner: idk about gcc but things like pidgin, gimp, iceweasel are pretty simple to build from sid on lenny
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12:33<bremner>my princess bride reference was for Slurb_
12:33<hoploop>on my debian testing iceweasel comes with big characters and I can't make them smaller
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12:34<southernc>hoploop: sit further away
12:34<hoploop>stupid gnome-based softwares...
12:36<southernc>Slurb: first your dir structure is messed up
12:36<southernc> dists lenny main
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12:36<git-hi9h>can i get iceweasel 3.5 in lenny easy enough yet? or do i have to build it?
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12:37<southernc>Slurb: secondly there is no gcc pkg on that server regardless of the path
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12:38<southernc>nevermind i found it
12:38<southernc> pool main
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12:38<southernc>deb "" pool main
12:38<craigevil>git-hi9h: either build it or follow the howto here>
12:39<git-hi9h>thank you!
12:39<southernc>deb pool main
12:40<southernc>is what should be in your sources.list
12:40<Slurb>it still doesnt find it in aptitude
12:40<Slurb>i did change it to pool and still no go
12:40<southernc>after adding it update your cache
12:40<Slurb>i did
12:40<southernc>deb pool main <<< it looks exactly like that
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12:41<Slurb>no still doesnt find a gcc 4.4.1
12:42<southernc>deb pool main g gcc <<< it looks exactly like that
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12:43<southernc>u have t setup rather oddly
12:43<southernc>it is in the correct place as pool is where a package goes to get verified etc before going to main
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12:47<Slurb>so how do i get it to move to main?
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12:48<southernc>is that your server ?
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12:49<southernc>ermm well after you verify you havent uploaded a virus lol move it to main..
12:49<craigevil>why not just set it up like deb ./ rather than messing with the main contrib non-free
12:50<southernc>if you own the server move the file to wherever you like
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12:50<southernc>craigevil: hes gonna upload hundreds of pks it would get messy otherwise :)
12:52<southernc>his indexes arent setup right anyway so hes gotta fix that before he does anything
12:52<Slurb>it was all set up by reprepro and it is correct
12:53<southernc>Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
12:53<Slurb>if you add deb lenny main it updates right
12:53<Slurb>its just that reprepro is keeping it in pool
12:53<Slurb>i dont know how to get reprepro to move it
12:54<southernc>well technically a person isnt suppose to download a file from pool its a bad idea
12:54<southernc>so thats prolly what is going on
12:54<Slurb>i think so too
12:54<bremner>it is perfectly normal for all debs to be stored in pool
12:54<Slurb>i just need to figure out how to move it along
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12:55<Squelos>any solution for the iceweasel/flash problem ?
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12:55<Slurb>get flashplugin-nonfree from backports
12:55<southernc>bremner: um no pool is where a package gets uploaded to before going to main as it has to get verified checksums etc
12:55<user01>hi, i have an ext2 formatted flash drive and debian lenny seems to have made everything on the disk root permissions so i cant share it with my other linux computers . . . how to fix?
12:56<Squelos>slurb, from backports ? I did get the flashpluging non free
12:56<craigevil>southernc: no, most of the time when i grab a .deb i get it from pool
12:56<craigevil>thast where i downloaded iw 3.5.1
12:56<bremner>southernc: I think you're confused here, but am not going to argue about it.
12:56<craigevil>go look through a debian repo
12:56<Slurb>Squelos: it works for me all though i use epiphany
12:57<southernc>hmm guess i am confused
12:57<Squelos>slurb, what does : from backports ?
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12:58<sophi>user01, go to root of the device as root, and execute chmod -R 666 *, that makes everyone able to read/write
12:59<sophi>'chmod -R 666 *'
12:59<sophi>chown if you wanna change root
12:59<sophi>or umask I think when You mount it
12:59<Squelos>uh sorry, what does from backports mean ?
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13:00<amphi>sophi: the permissions of the beast are not necessarily a Good Thing
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13:00<user01>sophi, you mean the ../media/disk directory?
13:00<Squelos>does anyone know what getting a paquet from backports mean ?
13:00<craigevil>Squelos: it means from unless your on testing or sid
13:00<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
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13:01<Squelos>im on testing
13:01<sophi>amphi: maybie not the best idea, but a solution :)
13:01<sophi>user01: probably, depends where it is mounted
13:02<sophi>permision of the beast.... 666 :)
13:03<user01>sophi, i tried it and it says stale NFS handle
13:03<user01>file handle on one
13:03<vook>do a lazy umount
13:04<Squelos>craig, if my flash player is crashing, is it because of the testing version ? can i download a stable flash player with a command ?
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13:04<user01>whats a lazy umount?
13:04<user01>a regular umount ?
13:05<vook>user01: try 'df' does the volume show as mounted but now accessible ?
13:05<sophi>umount -l (mountpoint or device)
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13:06<craigevil>Squelos: check about:config in iceweasel and double check what it is using for flash, i use flashplayer-mozilla from dmm shouldnt be a difference but flash rarely ever crashes iw/firefox here
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13:06<user01>vook, yep
13:06<vook>yep, as sophi said 'umount -l <mountpoint>
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13:07<user01>ok then what? :)
13:07<southernc>craig what arch you using ?
13:07<user01>pull out and plug back in?
13:07<vook>well, now it isn't stale at least
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13:08<craigevil>southernc: 32bit
13:08<southernc>ahh was gonna ask if you got flash working for chrome on 64
13:08<Squelos>im using shockwave flash
13:08<sophi>once in my lifetime by accident i executed sth like that umount -l /dev ... the result was funny :)
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13:08<user01>sophi, so what do i do after the umount?
13:08<vook>user01: you can mount the device manually. dmesg | grep sda or hda
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13:09<vook>fdisk -l /dev/hdc /dev/sdc
13:09<sophi>use fdisk -l to find the device, mount it by command mount, and change the privileges after
13:09<user01>vook, fdisk fixes the disk?
13:10<user01>oh it finds the disk
13:10<vook>fdisk -l <device> shows the partitions on the disk
13:10<vook>(if they exist)
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13:11<user01>mmmm Disk /dev/sdb1 doesn't contain a valid partition table
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13:11<vook>if it's an oosba device, you don't really need to partition it.
13:12<vook>you could just mkfs.reiserfs /dev/sdb
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13:12<user01>vook, but i have data on it
13:12<vook>oh, don't do that then
13:12<sophi>probably not anymore :)
13:12<user01>can i do a fsck on it?
13:13<vook>do you know the filesystem type
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13:13<vook>fsck.ext2 /dev/sdb1
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13:14<user01> Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sdb1 Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program?
13:15<sophi>umount -l /dev/sdb1
13:15<user01>ok did that, still doesnt work
13:16<user01>should i unplug plug back in and run it on /media/disk?
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13:16<vook>ps aux | grep sdb1 (it could be nfs that has a handle) /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server stop && /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server stop , then the same with start
13:17<vook>there is some command to display what process is using a device (like fuser) I don't remember off hand.
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13:18<sophi>lsof ?
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13:19<sophi>i didn't know about it :)... searched by man from fuser for curiosity :)
13:20<user01>The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
13:20<user01>filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2
13:20<user01>filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: e2fsck -b 8193
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13:20<SuperMiguel>anyone is using BootToRAM?
13:20<user01>let me at least see if i cant copy the data off first
13:21<vook>are you certain that it's ext2 (not reiser or vfat ?)
13:21<user01>thats how i formatted it
13:21<user01>and thats how its been working
13:21<user01>until i shared it on debian lenny
13:21<user01>was working ok on ubuntu computers
13:22<vook>user01: how big is the drive ?
13:22<user01>and windoze with ext2 enabled
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13:22<user01>4 gb
13:22<vook>it may be a good idea to make a backup of this device before you go further.
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13:23<vook>dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=thumbdrive.iso
13:24<user01>no such file or directory
13:24<vook>you can then attempt to mount the backup with 'mount -o loop thumbdrive.iso mountpoint' and/or handle the iso like a filesystem
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13:25<vook>user01: what does fdisk -l /dev/sdb show ?
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13:29<vook>!dpkg smack vook
13:29*dpkg smacks vook upside the head.
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13:36<user01>vook, ok i copied all the data off . . . it was one jpeg file that appears to be corrupt
13:36<user01>and interfering with everything
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13:36<sophi>so You fixed it?
13:37<user01>not sure
13:37<user01>can i just format the disk?
13:37<sophi>mkfs.ext2 or mkfs.reiserfs
13:37<user01>i copied everything off onto a windows box with ext2 enabled :)
13:37<sophi>or whatever You want :)
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13:38<Slurb>ok gave up on the repo server
13:39<sophi>But if You have backup of data, so You may format the drive
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13:39<user01>so plug it in, umount it and do mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdb1 ?
13:40<joek>hello, im using lenny and want to install the linux-headers for my kernel v2.6.26-1-686
13:40<joek>but when i do apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
13:40<joek>i get "Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686"
13:41<joek>any way to fix this ?
13:41<sophi>apt-cache search linux headers
13:41<user01>sophim ok i think it worked, now what do i do to get permissions?
13:42<sophi>user01: chmod -R 666 * (WHEN YOU ARE IN MOUNTPOINT DIR!!!!)
13:43<user01>ok so . . . unplug, plug back in and go there and run that
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13:44<user01>sophi, will it keep the same permissions no matter what?
13:44<joek>sophi: i did aptitude search linux-headers and this is what i get
13:44<user01>sophi, like if another user copies files on it?
13:44<joek>is it ok if i install the linux-headers package ?
13:44<craigevil>joek: do you have deb lenny/updates main in your sources.list
13:45<joek>craigevil: that is commented out in sources.list
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13:45<user01>this has been a great class in usb devices thanks everyone! hehe
13:45<craigevil>uncomment it run aptitude update then try again
13:45<sophi>oh, i'm not sure, probably You will have to change permisions to mount directory after mount, because inheriting
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13:46<SuperMiguel>anyone is using BootToRAM?
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13:49<user01>sophi, grrr it says i dont have permissions
13:50<user01>to write to it after the chmod 666
13:50<user01>chown is better maybe?
13:51<joek>craigevil: worked after i uncommented and ran apt-get update
13:51<sophi>i'm not sure how it gonna be with new files, but probably You will have only to change permisions to root directory of mountpoint
13:52<user01>the /media?
13:52<user01>or /media/disk ?
13:52<sophi>as root try again to execute chmod 666 /media/disk (or whatever the mountpoint)
13:52<craigevil>joek: when weird crap like that happens it helps to search
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13:53<sophi>chown changes the owner, but if You will be changing computer, so the users will change, so no point :)
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13:53<user01>sophi nope
13:54<sophi>the users are same and they have same uid and gid?
13:55<user01>not sure what you mean by that . . .
13:55<sophi>ok whatever :)... have You executed the chmod?
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13:56<user01>sophi let me see what happens if i login as root gui
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14:04<user01>hey soph it work now when i changed /media/disk to chown -R user01:users
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14:04<sophi>user01: oh crap, i forgot that for directory +x is an enter privilege, so better do chmod 777 :)
14:05<sophi>user01: are You planing to use the drive on different computers?
14:05<user01>sophi, that would be the point of a flash disk . . .
14:06<user01>well wait im late for a dinner
14:06<sophi>the issue is that the filesystem stories the userprivileges by numbers, gid and uid, so on different computers there could be different users
14:06<user01>different uid and gid
14:07<user01>so i should do chmod 777 on the entire flash disk?
14:07<sophi>wait a sec
14:08<sophi>ok, so make the privileges 777 for the mountpoint, so everybody can create new files etc
14:09<user01>chmod 777 -R /media/disk?
14:09<sophi>i'm not sure what makes the decision of privileges for new files, is it umask, or the program itself ;)
14:09<sophi>yes, but without -R
14:10<sophi>if You have formated the disk it is empty anyway
14:10<user01>yes well it has a lost and found file and a text file i used for testing copying
14:10<user01>ooops im late for dinner
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14:28<southernc>hey craigevil you there ?
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14:32<chahibi>Hello back
14:32<chahibi>How can I get suspend/hibernate to work with Nvidia non free drivers?
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14:38<weasel>hibernate just works[TM] for me
14:38<Gathond>chahibi: DON'T have acpi change from X to console
14:38<Gathond>as the binary Nvidia POS can't manage that without crashing horibly
14:38<Tasneem>WHATS UR NAMES
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14:40<chahibi>Gathond: How do you prevent that?
14:41<Gathond>some setting somewhere in the hibernate/suspend configuration
14:41<Gathond>can't remember exactly where, but it has a comment about it
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14:53<Slurb>get the driver from nvidia's site
14:53<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
14:54<Slurb>i know its not supported here but it might fix the issue
14:54<Slurb>debian install the 173 driver
14:54<Slurb>lots of fixes in the 185 driver
14:55<olet>not necesarily
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14:56<Slurb>debian stable is the 173 driver
14:56<Slurb>squeeze and lenny are not supported here as well
14:56<Slurb>i mean squeeze and sid
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14:58<sun>hi i have 2 soundcards, one builtin and another external usb. id like to have flash play on the builtin soundcard, but its going to the usb soundcard. how can i fix it?
14:58<Slurb>how do you suspend/hibernate anyway?
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15:06<valdyn>sun: flash goes to the default alsa device, thats the one with the lower id or the one explicitely set to be default in ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf
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15:06<Slurb>god i remember how hard a time i had installing the nvidia driver from the nvidia site, but it was well worth it in th amount of things that work now as opposed to how they worked before
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15:07<Slurb>and i also think that things supported here should cover anything debian
15:08<valdyn>Slurb: we always help with getting the right nvidia driver
15:08<valdyn>Slurb: we dont help you running sid though
15:08<Slurb>i dont have sid
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15:09<Slurb>sid is broken
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15:11<Slurb>sun: you still here?
15:12<Slurb>sun: the easiest way would be to select it as default in system>preferences>sound in the gnome menu
15:13<Slurb>sun: if that doesnt work you will have to edit your asoundrc
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15:13<sun>slurb ok thanks
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15:25<icebrain>Slurb: why do you say that? I run sid
15:26<Slurb>because sid doesnt do what i need it to
15:27<Slurb>in particular wine doesnt work
15:27<Slurb>and overall its about ten times more work to maintain
15:27<icebrain>oh, I use the reps from winehq
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15:30<OdyX>wine works since yesterday....
15:30<Slurb>is red hat/fedora debian based?
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15:31<Slurb>they use rpm but still have apt
15:32<bremner>well, depends on your definitions. Debian uses stuff from red hat too.
15:32<OdyX>"based" => no.
15:32<Slurb>which came first is what im looking for
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15:34<bremner>Slurb: maybe better for #debian-offtopic, or google/wikipedia
15:34<Gathond>Slurb: I'm sure wikipedia can answer that
15:34<Gathond>or and
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16:14<alex111>hi there! is there a good roulette game in debian? I dont see any in synaptic....
16:16<dr|z3d>alex111: Maybe KRouletteSim ?
16:17<envyless> /leave
16:17<mart>I've a (big) problem with my system and I don't know if I should send a bug report
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16:17<alex111>hmmm, I don't see any kroulettesim in lenny...
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16:18<alex111>dr|z3d, what version do you run?
16:18<mart>I'm unable to upgrade, install or remove any package because of a dependency conflict with ia32-libs
16:18<mart>when I try an aptitude safe-upgrade :
16:18<dr|z3d>alex111: I don't.
16:18<mart>thank you
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16:21<mason_>how do i remote connect to another desktop in the house and take control i use the program given by debian but doesnt connect.
16:21<k4m>server login k4m chicken1
16:21<rudi_s_>mason_: vnc
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16:22<bremner>k4m: the slash key is probably on the bottom right of your keyboard
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16:24<mason_>rudi_S_, How to get? It cost money.
16:25<rudi_s_>mason_: tightvncserver (never used it though, only used the client).
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16:29<mason_>rudi_s_, how do i get it?
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16:30<rudi_s_>mason_: aptitude install tightvncserver ; also have a look at the homepage
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16:31<mason_>rudi_s_, now this will let me remote to my other linux desktop?
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16:32<dpkg>You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>.
16:32<bremner>mason_: ^
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16:44<sophi>I go to sleep, Bye everyone
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17:40<black>hi i m searchin for a solution to run all processes only on one core. someone her who could help me? :S
17:42<locklace>man taskset
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17:48<Celdecea>can anyone give me a hint as to what would cause repeated "eth0 Link is up<100 MBps full duplex" messages every time I try to ping, lynx, host, or even route?
17:49<deniz>i f*cked things up on my squeeze installation so im upgrading to sid and will then switch my sources.list back to squeeze, this won't cause any issues? would it? the idea is to wait till squeeze becomes newer or as new as the current snapshot of sid that i am getting atm
17:49<Celdecea>there is no evidence in logs that it is going down in between
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17:49<azeem>deniz: why do you think upgrading to sid will help?
17:50<deniz>azeem, because i was trying to compile something from sid and compiled lots of xorg stuff and fglrx stuff and did lots of apt-get install -f commands and have lost track of the changes
17:50<deniz>i should of obtained squeeze's fglrx then done all this using a GUI
17:50<deniz>it's hard to read dependencies on a console
17:52<Squelos1>hi, ive got problems with my flash plugin for iceweasel
17:52<deniz>ok u no wat this isnt worth it, im just gonna reinstall lenny and upgrade to squeeze overnight
17:52<Squelos1>it keeps closing iceweasel when i go onto a page with flash on it ...
17:54<locsmif>Squelos1, have you cleaned out your cache and such?
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17:54<Squelos1>no, ill try.
17:54<locsmif>(while in FF)
17:54<Squelos1>yeah, i know how to do that :) wait ill try
17:54<locsmif>Remove all that you can miss
17:54<locsmif>It's good for your privacy anyway ;-)
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17:55<locsmif>If it doesn't work, start IW in safe mode and try that
17:55<locsmif>If that doesn't work, examine if you have any outdated plugins installed
17:55<deniz>with an lvm setup there are physical volumes volume groups and logical volumes but wat is the tiny partition that manages these volumes? is that just called lvm?
17:55<locsmif>If that doesn't work...reinstall the flash plugin
17:56<Squelos1>im just after installing it locsmif
17:56<Squelos1>could it be because im in testing ?
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17:57<locsmif>Squelos1, no iea
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17:58<locsmif>Flash is closed source, so it's always going to give you problems
17:58<locsmif>closed source blobs have that disadvantage, unfortunately
17:58<Squelos1>no open source flash thingy ?
17:58<locsmif>They require/depend on some sort of stable API that isn't there
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17:59<Squelos1>i thought there was something to replace flash
17:59<locsmif>Squelos1, well, Gnash, but Gnash is kinda ... not good enough
17:59*themill hide
17:59<dr|z3d>Squelos1: There is, it's called SVG and javascript. :)
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17:59<dr|z3d>You better had hide, themill. .;P
17:59<Squelos>SVG ?
17:59<Squelos>what does SVG stand for ?
18:00<Celdecea>scalable vector graphics
18:00<dr|z3d>Not exactly patent unemcumbered, moonlight..
18:00<dr|z3d>Scalable vector Graphics.
18:00<dr|z3d>And what Celdecea said.
18:00<dr|z3d>It's not quite ready for the bigtime, but it's certainly something to watch.
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18:02<locsmif>In the mean time, we have to deal with all that Flash crap, so we're essentially FORCED to use a trojan from Adobe
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18:03<locsmif>This is why I hate all living beings
18:03<Squelos>yeah i heard about that.
18:03<Squelos>LFS ?
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18:05<Celdecea>alright, I note that netstat -nr doesn't raise a "link is up" message like route does, can't ping the internet or resolve hosts and can't lynx to the router
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18:05<Celdecea>but rebooting in xp everything works so its not hardware specifically
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18:07<Celdecea>does any of this sound familiar to anyone?
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18:11<vvas>Celdecea: are you using DHCP or not?
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18:11<Celdecea>no, static
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18:12<Celdecea>vvas: it makes little sense to me, it was working for months and nothing has changed
18:12<hrvoje>hello all. has anyone manage to get Skype working on AMD64 architecture?
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18:13<vvas>hrvoje: yes
18:13<vvas>Celdecea: no hardware or software changes, on either the computer or the router?
18:13<hrvoje>was: how? i force-installed it with lib32 but no luck so far...
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18:14<vvas>hrvoje: in lenny, installing ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk and then installing the 32-bit skype .deb should be enough, i think
18:14<Celdecea>vvas: admittedly, this is a dual boot xp/etch box and I only use debian for compile testing, so alot changes on the xp partition
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18:14<deniz>what's the best way to wipe a hard drive with lvm clean?
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18:14<vvas>(certainly that's what i did at some point, though i ran unstable)
18:14<Ops1WebCommand>hi *
18:14<deniz>using a live cd that is
18:15<hrvoje>was: should I install ia32-libs-gtk as I'm on KDE?
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18:15<deniz>rm -rf seems to alwyas leave things behind
18:15<vvas>hrvoje: it doesn't hurt
18:15<Ops1WebCommand>N-E1 know of video tutorials(youtube,, etc.) for legKnoppix?
18:16<vvas>deniz: i'm not sure i understand your question
18:16<abrotman>Ops1WebCommand: ask #knoppix on
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18:16<Ops1WebCommand>how do I do this?
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18:17<vvas>hrvoje: plus it was a fairly catch-all name, the package also includes Qt actually
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18:17<hrvoje>was: libc6-i386: Breaks: ia32-libs-gtk (<= 2.7) but 2.7 is to be installed ##no solution found.. I'm on testing with not much stuff installed
18:17<abrotman>Ops1WebCommand: /server .. once it connects, /join #knoppix
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18:17<Ops1WebCommand>ok. thank you
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18:17<hrvoje>was: coz i switched to KDE4 and need to disable all experimental and unstable repos i had on KDE3..
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18:18<vvas>hrvoje: if you're on testing i can't help i'm afraid, the whole multiarch thing is in a bit of a mess at the moment
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18:18<vvas>what i said only applies for stable
18:18<hrvoje>was: ok thanks anyway, will try using ekiga
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18:19<hrvoje>and has anyone managed to install Helixplayer (RealPlayer10Gold) on AMD64?
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18:22<deniz_>vvas, ok so im on a ubuntu 9.04 live cd and yes this is related to debian since it was debian squeeze on it before, i just want to know like how to wipe the whole hdd clean, i have a 250gb hdd with windows vista and a 500gb hdd that had squeeze, i want to wipe the whole squeeze drive clean so i can start from scratch so: i would do sudo rm -rf /dev/sdb1 and sudo rm -rf /dev/sdb2 but then i see in computer that there
18:22<deniz_> is this 255mb partition, is that the volume group? (i am not so familiar with vlm), how do i remove it? if i remove that (after having removed sdb1 and sdb2), it would mean the whole hdd is wiped clean, right?
18:23<deniz_>this is probably a very basic question but it's not too obvious to me at the moment
18:23<vvas>deniz_: to zero out a partition (if that's what you're trying to do), i would use something like: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdXX bs=1M
18:24<Wooga_tc>how do i configure my sound card, since alsaconf was removed from alsa-utls?
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18:24<deniz_>vvas, zero-out means to wipe it to "military standards"?
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18:24<bike>or you could do cfdisk -z
18:24<vvas>deniz_: (or you could use /dev/sdX for the entire drive)
18:24<vvas>deniz_: heh, yeah sort of
18:25<vvas>deniz_: otherwise what bike said, just erase the partition table
18:25<bremner>deniz_: or use shred
18:25<vvas>deniz_: when you rm the device file, you don't actually erase the partition, you only erase the special file in /dev that programs use to access it
18:25<vvas>deniz_: does that make sense?
18:25<dpkg>shred, rap, powd, dude
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18:27<deniz_>vvas, well the special file concept has me a little confused but the way i see it: cfdisk -z does a fast job and the zero-ing out method is if ur gonna sell ur hdd and i have no idea what shred is
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18:27<deniz_>am i correct so far?
18:27<vvas>pretty much
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18:28<bremner>shred is like zeroing out, but serious
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18:29<vvas>so yeah, if you want to create/modify/erase partitions, use a partition table editor like cfdisk, manipulating the files in /dev is not the way to do it
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18:30<vvas>bremner: yeah, i always do a shred -z (three iterations, then zero) before giving away a hard drive :^)
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18:30<vvas>hm, or maybe a shred -n1 -z most likely
18:30<deniz_>vvas, bremner, bike, thanks, ill read on zero-ing out/shred later but for now cfdisk -z seems to be what i want
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18:30<deniz_>by the way military standards r 7 overwrites i read
18:31<bike>the other ones are good tips tho, didnt think f it or consider it
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18:32<bike>deniz_, r7?
18:32<dpkg>Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers (x86, x86-64, powerpc). DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction.
18:32<bike>huh nice
18:32<Celdecea>thanks anyway guys, I am giving up on google for the day and will just reinstall etch in the morning. there is nothing critical on that partition
18:32<Celdecea>been one heck of a head scratcher though
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18:33<bike>could be made to boot from a usb ?
18:33<abrotman>Celdecea: why not install lenny ?
18:33<bike>"for floppy disks and USB flash drives."
18:33<deniz_>bike, are seven*
18:34<Celdecea>I don't have disks for Lenny and I've never been able to get the network install started
18:34<Celdecea>and too long of a download ;-)
18:34<abrotman>get disks ?
18:34<bike>uuugh and it comes in a stinkin .exe file
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18:35<Celdecea>abrotman: I don't have a week to wait, but yes one day I will upgrade
18:35<bike>wth, i cant unpack it even
18:35<abrotman>so install etch, then dist-upgrade to etch ?
18:35<abrotman>erm .. to lenny ?
18:35<deniz_>vvas, bike bremner, so wait i do: cfdisk -z /dev/sdb ?
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18:35<bike>deniz_, yep
18:36<deniz_>thanks :)
18:36<bike>man i miss a "open terminal" here button in nautilus
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18:37<deniz_>bike, cant u make a keyboard shortcut to just open a terminal? i use to use the windows (super user key) but it has a bug in squeeze
18:37<Celdecea>abrotman: if I manage to get the internet working tomorrow, I will take your advice
18:37<hrvoje>deniz_: yes.. are you on KDE or GNOME?
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18:37<Celdecea>ctrl+alt+f1 opens a term right?
18:37<vvas>bike: yeah it's a very convenient feature in konqueror, even more so since it's bound to F4
18:37<deniz_>hrvoje, GNOME, why?
18:37<bike>could probably , but i use lxde with xfce4 loaded on one screen and a clean xfce4 session on the other screen
18:37<hrvoje>Celdecea: hehe yes :) F1-F6
18:38<abrotman>Celdecea: you don't have another NIC?
18:38<Celdecea>the nic works, I am using it now and was using it on the etch install for almost a year
18:38<hrvoje>deniz_: in GNOME it's a bit complicate and I can't remember now, but sth to do with gconf...
18:38<bike>went trough a small hell with session saving etc to get the dual screen thing i wanted
18:38<bike>lxde doesnt seem to like two screens at all
18:38<deniz_>hrvoje, you mean for the bug i mentionned?
18:38<vvas>Celdecea: out of curiosity, what's the driver for it?
18:39<hrvoje>deniz_: what bug?
18:39<Celdecea>vvas: ATL1 atheros 10/100 integrated
18:39<Celdecea>one sec and I can get the model #
18:39<deniz_>hrvoje, the super user key shortcut to launch a terminal...if you're referring to something else, what are you talking about?
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18:40<hrvoje>denize_: yes, global shortcut.. just enter gconf-editor
18:41<Celdecea>vvas: lol, guess its just Atheros L1 10/100/1000
18:41<hrvoje>deniz_: here you go
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18:41<bike>hehehe Error: /home/mike/sys/wipe/ is not supported archive 7zip said
18:41<deniz_>hrvoje, but what were you talking about when you said it has to do with gconf
18:42<bike>god damnit.. unzip doesnt do it either
18:42<hrvoje>deniz_: well setting global shortcuts :) gconf-editor
18:42<deniz_>hrvoje, o wait universal a way to get by my problem?
18:43<vvas>bike: what does "file" say?
18:43<hrvoje>deniz_: if i got it right, you want to press let's say Alt+Ctrl+T to open gnome-terminal tight?
18:43<bike>hm download is corrupted
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18:43<hrvoje>deniz_: *right
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18:44<deniz_>hrvoje, i just want to press the right super user key
18:44<hrvoje>deniz_: ah.. so it's some special Key? oh.. then try with xev
18:44<hrvoje>deniz_: xmodmap
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18:45<hrvoje>deniz_: that way I set my multimedia keys to work with Amarok
18:45<deniz_>hrvoje, well tbh it's a minor issue, i'll just use ctrl + left arrow for now until the bug is fixed
18:45<deniz_>nothing too serious for me
18:46<deniz_>well for non-stable release that is
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18:49<abrotman>bike: did you try the unzip package ?
18:49<bike_>hehe --autonuke Be really sure.
18:49<bike_>i found a zip file
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18:49<bike_>the exe wouldnt unzip
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18:51<Celdecea>bike_: self-extracting cab perhaps or was it a zip format?
18:51<bike_>interesting, its got a shell mode
18:51<bike_>found a zip on the sourceforge page
18:51<bike_>latest beta anyway
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18:52<bike_>hm, how can i create a grub undermenu?
18:52<bike_>or is there such a think
18:52<bike_>submenu rather
18:52<bike_>ah nvm
18:52<bike_>googles got it
18:54<hrvoje>oh plz help removed toolbar from Kopete chat window by accident and can't get it back.. any sugestions?
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18:55<themill>hrvoje: Settings -> Toolbars -> Main toolbar
18:55<klando>hi, I have a C function using mmap, and I have a ENOMEM error (basically no enought space, or no more projection allowed for current process)
18:55<hrvoje>themill: not that, on a chat window, not a program window :)
18:56<klando>WHat are the limit for the projections ?
18:56<themill>hrvoje: same thing
18:57<hrvoje>themill: not so much
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18:57<hrvoje>themill: coz i don't have Settings on chat window, it disappeared with toolbar
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18:58<themill>hrvoje: Ctrl+M to give you back the menu
18:58<hrvoje>themill: that's it, thank you very much!
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18:58<bike_>question is tho, will this wipe the usb stick too :S or will i be prompted with a menu
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18:59<themill>hrvoje: no worries. BTW Ctrl+M is a fairly general KDE shortcut for hiding/unhiding the menu bar
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19:00<hrvoje>themill: good to know, thenks for the info :)
19:01<Celdecea>thanks again everyone
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19:03<deniz>vvas, bike, bremner, cfdisk -z /dev/hdb did not remove the volume group, which is the 255mb partition i was referring to when i use ubuntu live cd (since im using lvm), sudo cfdisk -z /dev/sdb did erase the rest like i wanted tho
19:05<hrvoje>deniz: have you tried fdisk /dev/hdb ?
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19:09<deniz>hrvoje, what does that do?
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19:10<edbian>I have a small problem. I just set up a new debian server in my house (bach). Bach has 3 partitions. root, home, and swap. I have mounted / of bach from a client machine (beethoven) using NFS. Problem is, the /home dir is empty (when viewing from beethoven) because it isn't the same partition (I'm assuming) How can I fix this?
19:10<hrvoje>deniz: prompt for working with disks... e.g. you can check all your disks by "fdisk -l" or as I said fdisk /dev/hdb (in your case) and then press d (and enter) to delete partition
19:11<hrvoje>deniz: and you can then make a new one.. se "man fdisk"
19:11<deniz>hrvoje, fdisk -l doesn't see the 255 mb partition...that partition was made when i chose lvm (i dint create that partition), ill check with fdisk /dev/hdb
19:12<southernc>edbian: try mount the other partitions...
19:12<edbian>southernc: I would have to share them out using NFS. Is that the best work around?
19:13<southernc>mm im not fully understanding your question
19:13<southernc>your saying your mounting the wrong partition ?
19:13<bike_>deniz, will starting that dbus thing wipe the usb disk also
19:13<edbian>I'm mounting bach's / via NFS
19:14<edbian>since /home on bach is a separate partition it isn't following through NFS
19:14<edbian>so /home (from a client) is empty
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19:14<valdyn>edbian: theres a config switch too
19:15<edbian>valdyn: An nfs config or a mount config?
19:15<deniz>bike_, i dont really understand what you're saying unfortunately :(
19:15<valdyn>edbian: nfs
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19:17<valdyn>edbian: i cant see it right now, maybe thats limited to the userspace nfs daemon
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19:17<edbian>I'm looking through man nfs but not finding anything. Where else can I look?
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19:17<valdyn>edbian: so just export /home and mount that too
19:17<deniz>hrvoje, ya fdisk just sees like root partition and home partition (which i removed) and does not see that 255mb partition that in my opinion is responsible for lvm
19:18<valdyn>deniz: a 255mb partition for lvm?
19:18<valdyn>deniz: wth is that supposed to do?
19:18<edbian>valdyn: Is that the best work around? Can I mount /home in / (for bach) with them both being NFS? I'd like for the filesystem to look accurate. This is a headless system.
19:18<valdyn>edbian: /home in /home i would think
19:19<deniz>valdyn, i dont no lvm well enuf but im guessing it's to manage the logical volumes
19:19<valdyn>deniz: thats nonsense
19:19<deniz>that partition is not a logical volume
19:19<valdyn>deniz: lvm has no management partition
19:19<deniz>valdyn, o so then what is it?
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19:19<edbian>valdyn: /home (of bach) ? /home (of beethoven) ?? That's a confusing statement
19:19<deniz>it's a partition made against my will so to speak
19:19<valdyn>deniz: your windows vista boot partition?
19:19<deniz>valdyn, no thats another hard drive
19:20<edbian>"/home of bach != /home of beethoven
19:20<valdyn>deniz: i dont know why you have that partition, lvm does not create a partition ever
19:20<valdyn>edbian: alright, you would know
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19:20<edbian>valdyn: Sorry?
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19:21<valdyn>edbian: you will know best what to mount where
19:21<edbian>Can I mount one nfs inside another nfs?
19:21<edbian>mount / on bach
19:21<deniz>valdyn, ok so another issue, why isn't the partition listed in fdisk -l ?
19:21<valdyn>edbian: sure, but i dont understand how that makes sense
19:21<edbian>and then mount /home on bach?
19:21<valdyn>deniz: because its not a partition?
19:22<hrvoje>deniz: a bit strange thing you got there, am clueless if you can't see partition or erase it with any method given so far
19:23<valdyn>deniz: lvm is *not* visible at all from *any* partitioning tool
19:23<edbian>Maybe this will help. (All of this on the NFS server) sda1 = / and sda2 = home. Can I export both of them and then on an NFS client mount sda1 to /media/bach and sda2 to /media/bach/home ???
19:23<hrvoje>deniz, valdyn: true, hdb can't be a partition...
19:23<edbian>one inside the other?
19:23<valdyn>edbian: sure
19:23<hrvoje>deniz: partition would be e-g- hdb1
19:24<edbian>valdyn: Awesome! :)
19:24<deniz>hrvoje, valdyn, well i checked with gparted and it says it's all free space then on the lenny installer, it said something which i cant remember
19:24<valdyn>deniz: so its free space and not a partition
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19:25<deniz>but i rebooted and it still mentions the 255 mb partition
19:25<deniz>valdyn, ^
19:25<hrvoje>deniz: but you know it's 250GB coz it's missing from your disk or it just says it is that big?
19:25<valdyn>deniz: what is IT ?
19:25<hrvoje>deniz: ah.. MB sry.. well then it's not a problem :)
19:26<valdyn>deniz: if you were accurately reading and pasting for us, then the problem would probably solve itself
19:26<deniz>250 gb = windows vista, 500gb = debian (where it used to be)
19:26<deniz>valdyn, ok what do you want me to paste?
19:26<valdyn>deniz: nothing, im out of time now
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19:27<deniz>o man what bad timing :'( lol
19:27<edbian>Is there a way to copy files from a client to a server through my ssh terminal?
19:28<southernc>or rsync
19:28<southernc>but would have to be setup correctly on server side
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19:28<edbian>southernc: I'm logged in to the server right now. There isn't something I can run?
19:28<hrvoje>deniz: I also had some strange space sdb (and as far as I can remember empty) on my old laptop, and how it got there don't know.. maybe left after Arch linux (coz he tends to have 3-4 partitions for /, /home... ) and once I partitioned it automaticly
19:29<edbian>southernc: Similar to wget but sending and recieving?
19:29<wnd>or tar+ssh (tar -cf - foo | ssh remote 'tar -C dir -xf -')
19:29<southernc>you have to configure your sshd
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19:29<edbian>southernc: Ok thank you! :)
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19:31<hrvoje>anyone know how I can change two keys on a keyboard (keymap)?
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19:32<dr|z3d>hrvoje: Take them off, and swap them over.
19:32<dr|z3d>(One way).
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19:32<southernc>edbian pretty similiar yea you can actually use filzilla to to make it easier with gui
19:32*dr|z3d winks.
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19:32<southernc>or any ftp client that supports the sftp protocol
19:33<hrvoje>dr|z3d: you see, to prevent answers like yours, I put "keymap" in brackets :))
19:33<edbian>southernc: Thanks
19:33<southernc>let me know if you need help setting up
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19:37<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
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19:38<computergeek>I can't get higher than 800x600 screen resolution
19:38<southernc>thats awfull
19:38<computergeek>i know
19:38<computergeek>that's why I asked about it
19:38<southernc>pretty decriptive problem you got there
19:39<computergeek>southernc then don't just critisize tell me what I should do
19:39<computergeek>like tell me what files to send
19:39<hrvoje>dpkg: i already set my MultimediaKeys with xev and xmodmap but now I need to change two signs.. how can i get their codes (as one is with Shift)
19:39<dpkg>hrvoje: what are you talking about?
19:39<computergeek>I have a Rage 128 video card
19:40<southernc>ahh were getting better
19:40<hrvoje>dpkg: i want to switch < to /
19:40<dpkg>hrvoje: no idea
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19:40<southernc>i cant give you any help when you dont describe what your using
19:40<hrvoje>dpkg: i have Croatian layout, < is next to y (US layout z) and / is Shift+7
19:40<dpkg>hrvoje: what are you talking about?
19:41<southernc>is this on X while using kde , gnome , xcfe , lxde
19:41<computergeek>southernc X using gdm
19:41<computergeek>sorry I thought you were talking to someone else
19:42<southernc>have you tried adjusting the monitor settings ?
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19:42<computergeek>the only option is 800x600
19:42<hrvoje>dpkg: ? I want to place "/" sign instead of "<" sign (next to left Shift) am using KDE but I want it mainly in konsole
19:42<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, hrvoje
19:42<southernc>only option in what ?
19:42<computergeek>lspci doesn't report anything else
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19:42<southernc>what driver are you using
19:43<computergeek>also System>Preferences>Screen Resolution
19:43<computergeek>I don't know
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19:43<computergeek>the r128 driver is installed but I don't know how to configure it
19:43<computergeek>the r128 driver comes with the install
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19:43<southernc>you shouldnt have to configure it though
19:43<computergeek>i installed xorg onto a previously text-based system,
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19:44<computergeek>I can post on my xorg.conf
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19:45<edbian>What software makes a debian server a print server?
19:45<edbian>southernc: Thanks again! :)
19:46<southernc>ermm computergeek try dpkg-reconfigure xorg
19:46<computergeek>I've tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:46<southernc>ermm computergeek try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:46<computergeek>I'll try just xorg
19:46<southernc>nono i wasnt being discriptive
19:47<southernc>what dist are you using ?
19:47<edbian>Is it bad practice to log in as root on a server if you only ever log on to do administrative tasks?
19:47<computergeek>debian lenny
19:47<southernc>edbian you should use sudo and yes it is
19:47<loudergood>it's a bad habit to make
19:47<southernc>you should allow root login no in sshd config
19:48<edbian>southernc: Yeah, sudo was the first thing I set up. Why is it still bad practice?
19:48<edbian>I don't allow root log in in ssh
19:48<edbian>I was checking here before I did something silly like that ;)
19:48<southernc>because an attacker will have to crack to passwords before having root
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19:50<southernc>also edbian lil trick when you ssh to your server do sudo -i enter pass and you dont have to keep doing sudo cmd
19:50<computergeek>southernc restarting xserver... I'll be back
19:50<southernc>only have to type it the once saves alot of tabbing/typing
19:50<computergeek>just ran the command
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19:53<computergeek>southernc no change
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19:56<southernc>ZzZz spilled coffee
19:56<computergeek>I'll my xorg.conf
19:57<southernc>computergeek: ok
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20:00<southernc>this gonna take long ?
20:00<computergeek>southernc sorry, I have to go
20:00<computergeek>it's there
20:01<southernc>whats where >?
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20:01<computergeek>sorry, I have to go
20:01<computergeek>I might be back in a little while, though
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20:03<computergeek>southernc I'm back
20:03<computergeek>i know
20:03<computergeek>i thought I'd be gone for a long time
20:04<computergeek>that file was auto-generated by some autogenerater
20:04<computergeek>it didn't ask me anything, just made a basic file
20:05<southernc>yea its supposed
20:05<southernc>normally you should have to add modes but well find out in a min
20:07<southernc>get rid of what you have in section device and paste that in
20:07<southernc>then /etc/init.d/gdm restart
20:07<computergeek>I just use ctrl-alt-backspace
20:08<computergeek>I'll be back
20:08<southernc>that also works sorry used to newer xorg where it doesnt do that by default and im to lazy to change it :)
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20:12<computergeek>southernc still no change
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20:12<southernc>kk hang on
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20:13<southernc>sudo lspci | grep VGA
20:13<southernc>whats the output
20:13<abrotman>you don't need sudo for that
20:14<computergeek>00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RE/SG
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20:14<southernc>ehh whatever
20:14<abrotman>computergeek: give us `lspci -nn | grep -i vga`
20:14<abrotman>southernc: bad habit
20:14<computergeek>00:10.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RE/SG [1002:5245]
20:14<computergeek>00:10.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RE/SG [1002:5245]
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20:15<computergeek>sry for the double posting
20:15<southernc>do this
20:15<southernc>it will work
20:15<computergeek>i sure hope so
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20:16<southernc> pastebin sucks
20:16<abrotman>judd: xorg 1002:5245
20:16<judd>abrotman: In lenny, device 1002:5245 is matched by xorg driver: 'r128'.
20:16<southernc>already figured that out :)
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20:18<abrotman>he shouldn't need to fill up his xorg.conf
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20:19<southernc>its a common bug with r128
20:19<southernc>and i have no idea what monitor hes got so that will pretty much take care of anything
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20:20<southernc>and your right he shouldnt
20:20<southernc>it should work out of the box
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20:21<computergeek>no change
20:21<southernc>repost your xorg.conf
20:22<computergeek>hang on
20:22<southernc>with the changes you just made
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20:26<abrotman>maybe get his Xorg.0.log ?
20:27<computergeek>abrotman: hang on
20:27<computergeek>where is that?
20:27<southernc>vi /var/log/Xorg.0.log
20:28<southernc>see if your getting any errors etc
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20:29<computergeek>what does line 272 mean
20:30<computergeek>then 336-506
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20:32<southernc>well you can dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
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20:33<computergeek>southernc wouldn't that remake the file
20:33<computergeek>I'll try
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20:35<computergeek>southernc no change
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20:35<computergeek>the Xorg.conf is different, though
20:36<computergeek>I'll repost that
20:36<southernc>io figured that you just didnt need all those modes in there as its deny all modes except 800x600
20:36<abrotman>the dpkg-reconfigure doesn't do much of anything in lenny anymore
20:37<abrotman>is he using the framebuffer ?
20:37<southernc>abrotman i was just trying to have him clean his xorg
20:37<southernc>abrotman your turn :)
20:37<southernc>im out of ideas
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20:38<computergeek>abrotman I am using the framebuffer
20:38<abrotman>tried turning htat off ?
20:39<computergeek>I remember selecting that in one reconfiguration
20:39<computergeek>I'll try
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20:39<computergeek>restarting X
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20:41<computergeek>abrotman no change
20:41<computergeek>same xorg.conf
20:42<abrotman>which same?
20:42<computergeek>as just last tim
20:42<abrotman>the empty one? or the full one ?
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20:42<computergeek>for some reason. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg never changes the xorg.conf
20:42<computergeek>the full one
20:42<computergeek>after the last -phigh reconfigure
20:43<computergeek>when I dpkg-reconfigure with -phigh it redoes (or at least redid) the corg.conf
20:43<southernc>it was supposed to
20:43<abrotman>then just move it out of the way
20:44<computergeek>like rm the xorg.conf?
20:44<computergeek>move what out of the way
20:44<southernc>just change xorg.conf rto xorg.bak
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20:45<computergeek>restarting X
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20:46<computergeek>now it won't start the X server
20:46<computergeek>I'm now on ctrl-alt-F2
20:46<southernc>thats cause you never reconfigured it lol
20:46<computergeek>says it couldn't find/open the config file
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20:47<southernc>just make an empty one
20:47<southernc>it not gonna change it from what you already had though but not my show
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20:52<computergeek>abrotman I'm back!
20:52<computergeek>and no change
20:53<abrotman>dude .. you keep reappearing!
20:53<computergeek>I had to reboot the computerg
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20:53<computergeek>I'm in a gnome-terminal
20:53<computergeek>so every time I restart the Xserver I reconnect
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20:54<computergeek>... spooky haunted house noises
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20:54<computergeek>abrotman now what?
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20:54<abrotman>you could use irssi from the terminal
20:55<computergeek>That's what I'm using
20:55<computergeek>just in a graphical terminal
20:55<computergeek>what next?
20:57<abrotman>use vesa ?
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20:57<computergeek>I think that's what it does a fallback to
20:57<computergeek>The whole point is to get 1024x768
20:58<computergeek>I wonder if there's some way to force it to use that
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20:59<computergeek>I think i'll call it a day
20:59<computergeek>I may just have to use 800x600
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21:00<computergeek>I had used Ubuntu before and it automatically made it 1024x768
21:00<computergeek>I wonder what it did differently?
21:00<computergeek>it was just too unreliable
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21:00<computergeek>anyhow time to move on with life (or sleep)
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21:01<computergeek>thanks fow everyone's help
21:01<southernc> << try that the entire config
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21:01<computergeek>I have to shut down now but I'll try that when I start up tomorrow
21:01<computergeek>thanks again
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21:03<Guest345>I`ve just installed debian lenny amd64. I am using a 23 LCD sansung monitor but debian does not uses full screen, there is a black frame around? How do I fix this?
21:04<abrotman>Guest345: lspci -nn | grep -i vga
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21:04<Guest345>abrotman, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:0605] (rev a2)
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21:04<abrotman>judd: xorg 10de:0605
21:04<judd>abrotman: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
21:05<abrotman>judd: just do what i say
21:05<judd>abrotman: Error: "just" is not a valid command.
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21:08<Guest345>abrotman, Any idea how to fix this?
21:08<abrotman>Guest345: what is that card?
21:08<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
21:11<Guest345>abrotman, You mean I have a problem with the drivers? But I have already used this monitor withubuntu and it fully used the screen.
21:11<southernc>Guest try ctrl-alt-del and see if it fixes it
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21:12<abrotman>Guest345: which driver are you using ?
21:12<abrotman>southernc: that's a reboot .. what does that do?
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21:12<southernc>it restarts the desktop manager
21:13<southernc>and i have the same issue and after restarting it fixes it thats what it does
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21:13<abrotman>no .. that's ctrl-alt-bksp .. and that's not a restart ..
21:13<southernc>or /etc/init.d/kdm /gdm
21:14<marcelo_>abrotman, I do not know which driver, I just installed lenny, it must be the default driver. Restart does not helped me.
21:15<southernc>yea i gave you wrong info i mean ctrl-alt-bkspace but whatever
21:15<abrotman>but .. it's done what you intended .. and didn't help
21:16<southernc>no shit huh ?
21:16<abrotman>marcelo_: can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in
21:16<abrotman>shocker .. i know
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21:17<southernc>gj on helping computergeek you couldnt figure anything out so you ignored him
21:18<abrotman>he wandered off .. didn't he take your new config and go to bed?
21:18<abrotman>hard to get a word in ...
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21:24<abrotman>marcelo_: looks like you need the 185.18.14 which isn't in lenny ..
21:25<marcelo_>abrotman, I`ve thought ubuntu used the same drivers as debian... how can I proceed to fix it?
21:26<abrotman>southernc: ?
21:26<southernc>nothing , just keeping myself amused.
21:26<abrotman>marcelo_: 1) get the packages from sid/unstable 2) use the installer from nvidia (not recommended, but lots of people do it)
21:26<abrotman>southernc: just keep quiet if you're not going to be at all helpful
21:27<abrotman>take smart ass comments to another channel
21:27<southernc>everytime i try i get critized by you
21:27<abrotman>fine .. you do it .. have fun
21:27<abrotman>marcelo_: i'm sorry .. southernc thinks i'm an idiot .. so he's going to help you now
21:28<southernc>no i dont think your an idiot i think your an asshole
21:28<abrotman>marcelo_: he'll get you fixed right up in no time flat ..
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21:31<vvas>marcelo_: that's only a small fragment of Xorg.0.log
21:32<southernc> << could take a look at that
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21:34<marcelo_>It is going to be very boring to fix this...
21:34<southernc>nah its not that bad
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22:09<SuperMiguel>is there a way to have debian boot to ram?
22:10<dr|z3d>Boot to ram?
22:10*dr|z3d chuckles.
22:10<dr|z3d>Where's your's booting?
22:10*southernc would like to know also
22:10<icebrain>SuperMiguel: I found a package to do just that around aptitude
22:11<icebrain>don't remember the name, i'll search for it
22:11<abrotman>SuperMiguel: you mean like load it into a ramdisk ?
22:11<SuperMiguel>like this for debian:
22:11<dr|z3d>I guess he means boot _from_ ram.
22:11<dr|z3d>Or maybe not. :/
22:12<SuperMiguel>taking about ramdisk any of u guyes used the i-ram thing from gigabyte?
22:12<icebrain>It's debirf
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22:13<abrotman>judd: info debirf --release lenny
22:13*abrotman looks at judd
22:14<SuperMiguel>abrotman, will it improve my system speed?
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22:15<abrotman>running your system from RAM .. sure
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22:18<SuperMiguel>this may be a dumb question, but when u run ur system from ram, or from one of those ram disks. if one of the ram sticks goes bad u loose all ur data? like u have to reload ur os?
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22:19<icebrain>if you're worried about data integrity maybe you shouldn't run from ram..
22:21<dr|z3d>SuperMiguel: Your OS is loaded from hd to ram if you use the ram disk solution.
22:22<dr|z3d>DDR is volatile. Lose power, lose contents. So you need to load it into ram, somehow..
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22:23<SuperMiguel>but i mean, if one stick dies, i can just put another one and good 2 go, no need to reload?
22:23<dr|z3d>I think the gigabyte disk works broadly the same way; perhaps it uses a battery to have some persistence.
22:23<dr|z3d>If you're loading from hd, then sure.
22:24<dr|z3d>If the ram's corrupt, all you risk losing is your session data.
22:24<SuperMiguel>well on the gigabyte one.. i guess u install on the memory if im not mistaking
22:24<dr|z3d>quite possibly. you'd have to look into it.
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23:11<MoonWirelessG>hello an anyone help me with a question? I enabled pam and now it is shecking mail twice on ssh login
23:12<MoonWirelessG>andone have a clue?
23:13<MoonWirelessG>anyone even
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23:17<MoonWirelessG>anyone?? :-)
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23:21<locsmif>Not me, sorry
23:21<locsmif>I don't know what PAM should have to do with checking mail
23:21<SuperMiguel>is dmraid that bad??
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23:23<MoonWirelessG>ok I enabled pam, now it tels me I have new mail twice
23:23<MoonWirelessG>tells even
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23:35<locsmif>And that goes away if you disable it again?
23:36<locsmif>See /etc/pam.d/sshd
23:36<locsmif>Near: # Print the status of the user's mailbox upon successful login.
23:37<locsmif>Maybe that helps..
23:39<SuperMiguel>besides perc from dell, are there any other controllers that debian support by default?
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23:41<MoonWirelessG>locsmif it was checking email before I enabled pam
23:41<MoonWirelessG>when I enable pam
23:41<MoonWirelessG>it checks it twice
23:41<MoonWirelessG>I want the pam, but not the first one
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23:48<SuperMiguel>how is dmraid compared with mdraid, performance wise (both raid 0)
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23:51<MyWifeIs19>I just listened to my buddy's FreeBSD instll ....and how come alsa sounds so muffled? is there some kind of driver switch I am forgetting?
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23:52<locsmif>MoonWirelessG, look at /etc/pam.d/sshd
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23:52<locsmif>Could it be in your login profile?
23:53<locsmif>Have you checked ~/.bashrc and ~/.profile and such?
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23:55<git-hi9h>MyWifeIs19, have you tried using aumix or the gnome mixer program to fix? do you have any pictures of your wife i can see?
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