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00:04<miguel>whats the differebnce between a hard and symbolic link?
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00:07<dondelelcaro>miguel: a hard link is the same file; a symlink a special file
00:08<dondelelcaro>miguel: the wikipedia articles on them are reasonably complete.
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00:11<miguel>ok, ill gave a look, thx
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00:20<locsmif>miguel, to the OS, a hardlink can't be recognized as a link. The OS thinks it is dealing with an actual file. The catch is: there are multiple entries in your directory structure that point to the same file. So the only way to recognize a hard link is to count the number of references to the same file, in which case all are hard links
00:21<locsmif>Or was it that "link count" was increased
00:22<locsmif>A symlink, however, is only an entry that points to another path, and the OS simply follows the link and looks up the path, where it finds the actual file entry
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00:27<Jake21>Hi, I somehow messed up my MBR on my flash drive "/dev/sda1" is there anyway of fixing it? without removeing data?
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00:32<hat>off the top of my head sfdisk, but I havn't tried
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00:34<xeon-enouf>Jake21: /msg dpkg gpart
00:35<xeon-enouf>Jake21: sda1 doesn't contain a MBR, though it does have boot sector(s)
00:36<MoonWirelessG>mbr is on the boot drive
00:36<hat>Jake21, listen to xeon-enouf. He's obviously more avake than I.
00:36<Jake21>Ok i should of explained. im running off a live cd. my hard drive died recently havent gotten anotherone yet. im trying to fix the mbr on my 4gb flashdrive (sda1) so i can save the data.
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00:37<xeon-enouf>miguel: "find /bin -samefile /bin/uncompress -ls" will show you a nice example of a hardlink
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00:38<xeon-enouf>miguel: the 1st number/column is the FS inode number, man find, see how it has it's own 'ls'
00:38<miguel>yaa youre right!
00:39<miguel>its the same for both files
00:40<xeon-enouf>Jake21: i kind of got that - nice to have more specifics as you've just given, but a MBR refers to CHS 0,0,1 , please google it or see or something - the 1st partition offset (in most HDDs and even flash ones) is usually at sector 63, or 32,256Bytes into the drive
00:41<xeon-enouf>Jake21: IOW, the term MBR usually refers to the 1st sector only, the 1st 512Bytes
00:41<Gekz>use GPT
00:41<xeon-enouf>!bsdslicesmite Gekz
00:41<Gekz>use GPT
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00:42<Gekz>xeon-enouf: bsd supports gpt
00:42<xeon-enouf>lvm2 is much better and more mature :-P
00:42<Gekz>what you smoking
00:42<Gekz>haha what
00:42<Gekz>what an absurd thing to say
00:42<xeon-enouf>go take your GUIDs somewhere else
00:42<Jake21>Would it be easier if i was to reformat the drive itself and try to recover the data then try to save the drive?
00:43<xeon-enouf>how's that for absurd!
00:43<xeon-enouf>Jake21: no
00:43<Gekz>xeon-enouf: stupid arrogance wont save anyone.
00:43<Gekz>save? hah
00:43<xeon-enouf>Jake21: you _might_ want to make an "image" using something like gddrescue, and try to extract your data from THAT
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00:44<xeon-enouf>!save Gekz
00:44*dpkg runs into a burning building and saves Gekz from certain death. Is that enough?
00:44<xeon-enouf>Jake21: do not mount your _original_ drive RW, otherwise you will certainly lose ... something ;-)
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00:46<xeon-enouf>Jake21: even umounting it could possibly sync() write-to-disk, so as to overwrite a very recently deleted file, that you might want to try and recover - but that doens't appear to be your case
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00:47<Jake21>can't mount the original drive in the first place. cant detect filesystem. =\ tried to fix it via grub-install, lilo, and syslinux and dosfsk which outputted " Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 6" =[
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00:48<Jake21>kinda thinking i F****** up the flash drive =P
00:49<xeon-enouf>Jake21: sounds like a FAT32/vfat Extended Partition issue - you likely made it worse, but see if "gpart" can guess the layout
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00:51<xeon-enouf>Jake21: (just a note for the future) man sfdisk, see the -d option w/examples
00:51<MyWifeIs19>!salute anyone
00:52<MyWifeIs19>!greet anyone
00:52<dpkg>Howdy, anyone
00:52<Jake21>Ty for the note. - gpart is scanning
00:52<MyWifeIs19>!toast anyone
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00:57<Jake21>^ output of gpart
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00:59<Jake21>Output of "fdisk /dev/sda1" (option p) -
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01:37<klog>is squid on the same level as ssh?
01:37<klog>for protection?
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01:52<bash>Does anyone know how to convert a AVI to animated GIF?
01:52<bash>I used the record feature on VLC (GIT version) and i have the part i want to make into GIF but idk how to convert it :(
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01:54<jm_>mencoder supports animated gifs
01:55<bash>Can I covert straight from AVI?
01:55<SouthernC>mplayer can convert to jpeg, gif, png, etc.
01:56<jm_>yes, go read the man page
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02:16<MoonWirelessG>locsmif if you are here, thanks for your help
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02:25<rmrfchik>oh, nice: *** NSPlugin Viewer *** ERROR: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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03:21<bunghole>any ppc users in the house?
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03:22<bunghole>come on wheres my ppc love :P
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03:29<snogglethorpe>weren't they all sold to the glue factory by apple?
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03:33<bike_>huh, where did bunghole go
03:33<bike_>didnt see the damned quit
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03:37<dehqan>goof day every body ,ssl can be decrypted , do DSA and Elgamal & RSA can be decrypted and which one is more secure ?
03:38<jm_>of course they can be decrypted, what would be the point in having something that you can't decrypt?
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03:41<dehqan>decryot by hackers was aim .
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03:43<dehqan>ok ?
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03:46<dehqan>SSl can be decrypted by hackers, do DSA and Elgamal & RSA can be decrypted by them and which one is more secure ?
03:48<OdyX`>dehqan: what do you mean by "decrypted by hackers" ?
03:48<bike_>read something about that on
03:48<OdyX`>dehqan: it has been proven to be sensible to MITM attack, but "decrypted" certainly not
03:48<bike_>but i cant find the article now
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03:48<bike_>took forever tho
03:48<bike_>or was that wpa ?
03:49<OdyX`>bike_: WEP is known to be too weak
03:49<bike_>that i know
03:49<OdyX`>bike_: SSL has not be decrypted yet IIRC
03:50<OdyX`> <- SSL MITM - really fun
03:50<bike_> stumbled over that while i was searching
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03:51<OdyX`>"One technique against the 11-round version of the cipher can be completed in 270 operations, an improvement that cryptographer Bruce Schneier says was strong enough to be "almost practical.""
03:51<OdyX`>"almost practical" => "if you have a great bunch of money and time"
03:51<jm_>2⁷⁰ :)
03:52<OdyX`>dehqan: use quantum cryptography to be sure
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03:54<dehqan>See , PGP just use DSA and Elgamal & RSA yes ?so which one is more secure ,important question here is that for example in chat messengers which algoritm keys can be used to have encrypted chat ?
03:55<azeem_>please take the discussion elsewhere, this is rather off-topic
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03:57<dehqan>it is not off topic cause of that there is need to know how can we have best security in chat encryptions in DEBIAN
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03:58<azeem_>I don't think chat encryption is specific to Debian
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03:59<dehqan>any opinion ?
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04:02<dehqan>So i'll be thankful introduce me more related channels ?
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04:04<OdyX`>dehqan: read topic: /j #debian-offtopic
04:05<OdyX`>I'll give you my answer there :-)
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04:12<dehqan>How can be encryption related channels be found in IRC ?
04:13<dehqan>While configuring oe package this error has been shown >
04:13<dehqan>configure: error: Package requirements ("libcrypto") were not met:
04:13<azeem_>dehqan: what command did you run?
04:13<dehqan>but libcrypto++7 is installed
04:14<dehqan>./configure --prefix=/usr
04:14<EmleyMoor>dehqan: Are you compiling something?
04:14<dehqan>yes compiling libfprint
04:14<azeem_>dehqan: you need the -dev library
04:14<EmleyMoor>Ah... you need lib...-dev
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04:14<dehqan>yes that is also installed
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04:15<azeem_>then you'll have to go debugging yourself
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04:15<azeem_>check config.log, e.g.
04:15<dehqan>is installed libcrypto++-dev
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04:15<jm_>and using --prefix=/usr is not a good idea
04:16<dehqan>yes without that result is the same
04:16<azeem_>it's still a bad idaea
04:17<dehqan>so ?
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04:18<dehqan>so how can it be fixed?
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04:20<jm_><azeem_> check config.log, e.g.
04:20<dehqan>this is config log >
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04:21<OdyX`>dehqan: libfprint is packaged for Debian....
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04:21<OdyX`>!judd versions libfprint
04:21<dpkg>odyx`, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's)
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04:21<OdyX`>judd versions libfprint
04:21<judd>OdyX`: libfprint --
04:21<OdyX`>judd versions libfprint0
04:21<judd>OdyX`: libfprint0 -- experimental: 20081125git-2
04:22<dehqan>which rep ?
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04:22<jm_>libcrypto is ssl
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04:22<jm_>so you need libssl-dev
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04:24<dehqan>ok thanks jm should be test now , but <OdyX`> would you tell what size is libfprint package
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04:25<OdyX`>dehqan: I am no shell…
04:25<OdyX`>$ LANG=C aptitude show libfprint0 | grep "Uncompressed Size:"
04:25<OdyX`>Uncompressed Size: 274k
04:27<dehqan>what is complete link of experimental rep ?
04:27<jm_>please don't use packages from there if you are asking these questions
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04:29<dehqan>cause of security ?ok dial up connection is downloading libssl-dev jm_
04:30<jm_>dehqan: no not because of security, but because it's meant to be used by people who know how to deal with problems etc.
04:33<dehqan>but installing form source has more problem usually
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04:33<jm_>one option would be to get debian source package for libfprint0 and build it yourself
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04:45<dehqan>Thanks ,How about this ? Package requirements ("glib-2.0") were not met:
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04:59<deximat>so loud room :)
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05:20<hrvoje>hi! can anyone help me with drivers for ATI Radeon HD 2600 on Toshiba laptop and Debian unstable?
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05:29<hrvoje>I just updated my Debian testing to unstable (AMD64) and my graphic doesn't work properly. my xorg.conf is empty, and last time i installed some driver couldn't start X nor login to console.
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05:30<Lethalman>hrvoje, what video card you have?
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05:31<hrvoje>Lethalman: Radeon HD 2600 (Mobility), I tried to install fglrx-driver but that make it worse (couldn't start X)
05:31<hrvoje>Lethalman: am running KDE
05:31<Lethalman>hrvoje, you should use fglrx for that card
05:32<Lethalman>have you uninstalled mesa?
05:32<Lethalman>what if you modprobe fglrx?
05:32<hrvoje>Lethalman: mesa? no. what is that for?
05:32<Lethalman>could you paste the X error at least?
05:33<hrvoje>no. because I couldn't even get to use console. and right now I don't have installed fglrx driver
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05:33<OdyX>hrvoje: can you have network without X ?
05:33<hrvoje>on my testing Debian all worked fine
05:33<OdyX>hrvoje: you can then use pastebinit...
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05:34<OdyX>hrvoje: ah, you are on Sid...
05:34<OdyX>so you are on your own huh...
05:34<hrvoje>OdyX: now i have X, but don't have drivers (so my graphic don't work very well)
05:34<hrvoje>when I move windows it's slow as well as when i scroll in Iceweasel
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05:35<hrvoje>well.. I'll probably then disable all unstable repos and downgrade it to testing
05:36<jm_>it's odd that even console doesn't work, unless of course loading of fglrx cause panic/lockup
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05:37<hrvoje> jm_: problem is that system automatically start X while boot and can't start it .. and I can't enter any other console (Alt-Ctrl-F1...F6)
05:37<jm_>hrvoje: disable *dm
05:37<hrvoje>jm_: what's dm?
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05:38<chahibi>hrvoje: use stable, like I decided to do :)
05:38<hrvoje>chahibi: that's not interesting haha . well testing works fine also :)
05:39<chahibi>hrvoje: why not?
05:39<chahibi>hrvoje: it is 1) Stable 2) You can do whatever you want to in Testing
05:40<chahibi>hrvoje: unless you maitain packages, but there you can run a virtualized environment
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05:40<hrvoje>chahibi: i wanted to try KDE4, altho I was more happy with KDE3 but I also had it on unstable and all worked fine.
05:41<hrvoje>chahibi: *which I also had..
05:41<chahibi>hrvoje: yeah, but KDE4 i still not mature enough
05:42<hrvoje>chahibi: just couldn't upgrade more than half of packages
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05:42<hrvoje>chahibi: I could not agree more..
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05:44<chahibi>hrvoje: the main reason why I kept stable is that I encountered wifi issues with every kernel upgrade, in addition to many instability factors
05:44<jm_>hrvoje: display manager
05:45<hrvoje>chahibi: well my reason will be graphical drivers, coz I don't have problem with WiFi (using firmware-iwlwifi)
05:46<hrvoje>jm_: you mean kdm? heh how can I do that when he boot me in X which he can't start?
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05:46<jm_>hrvoje: single user mode, make kdm not start, continue boot
05:46<hrvoje>jm_: tried, not much luck
05:46<chahibi>hrvoje: there are even KDE4.1 backports for lenny
05:47<jm_>hrvoje: how so? it should never start kdm in single user mode
05:47<hrvoje>chahibi: I know, have it in my repo
05:47<hrvoje>jm_: I'll try it now, brb
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06:03<hrvoje>jm_: entered single-user mod and yea it gave me console (give root password for maintenance:) and i start x as user but keyboard and mouse won't work so I reboot in normal mod and need to do manualy fsck - which is not first time - (fsck died with exit status 4) and now again in X as user
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06:07<xeon-enouf>sounds like console* pkg or hal or xorg.conf+hal issues
06:08<hrvoje>my xorg.conf is empty
06:08<jm_>hrvoje: the point of using single mode was to disable automatic start for kdm, you'll then boot in normal mode and continue working on it
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06:09<xeon-enouf>is that usb keys + mouse? is usb emulation on in the BIOS?
06:10<yang>Anyone experienced with HSDPA modems, I cannot establish the connection, here is the error
06:10<hrvoje>jm_: that's reasonable, but dunno how came I was sure single-user mod also didn't allow me in
06:10<xeon-enouf>there are BTS reports about leaving people high-and-dry with no keys, nor mouse, and no clean way to even sysrq out of it
06:10<hrvoje>xeon-enouf: laptop...
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06:12<jm_>hrvoje: like I said, don't do this in single user mode (thanks to braindead defaults in X to need hald and crap like that)
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06:14<hrvoje>jm_: so should I try to install fglrx again?
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06:17<jm_>hrvoje: well I suppose if no other driver works
06:17<lbt>what's the best way to get a list of all packages in Debian? I want to verify package name submissions to my builder to ensure they don't have the same name as a Debian package
06:17<jm_>hrvoje: radeon driver also claims it supports HD2600 chipset
06:18<hrvoje>lbt: aptitude search
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06:19<lbt>I'm thinking about how this: is generated
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06:21<hrvoje>jm_: xserver-xorg-video-radeon ?
06:21<jm_>hrvoje: yes
06:21<hrvoje>jm_: will try
06:21<lbt>(aptitude search takes a while per package btw, which is why I'd prefer to generate a list - also helps with bulk-loads and comparisons)
06:22<hrvoje>jm_: already have xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd ...
06:22<jm_>hrvoje: is the driver used by X thne?
06:23<hrvoje>jm_: seems not as my xorg.conf is empty
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06:24<hrvoje>jm_: and dpkg-reconfigure doesn't seem to help
06:24<jm_>hrvoje: that doesn't mean much, you need to check Xorg.0.log
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06:25<hrvoje>jm_: cat: Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory
06:25<jm_>!tell hrvoje -about x logfile
06:25<hrvoje>jm_: aha.. is it in /var/logs?
06:25<hrvoje>jm_: yes :)
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06:27<hrvoje>jm_: how's that site to paste and save text?
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06:27<jm_>hrvoje: /msg dpkg pastebin; or use pastebinit
06:27<hrvoje>jm_: I redirect output to file
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06:30<jm_>hrvoje: right you are already using it
06:31<hrvoje>jm_: so where else could be a problem? maybe it isn't compatible with new kernel?
06:32<jm_>hrvoje: who isn't compatible?
06:32<hrvoje>jm_: driver
06:32<jm_>hrvoje: please be more specific, i don't know which driver you are talking about now
06:33<hrvoje>jm_: radeon one
06:33<jm_>hrvoje: ahh I'd say it's quite probable this driver is not accelerated
06:33<hrvoje>jm_: so do I need some more package or configure sth?
06:34<jm_>although man page says it is
06:34<jm_>hrvoje: I would try fglrx driver
06:34<hrvoje>jm_: ok will try
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06:35<jm_>hrvoje: other things to check would be driver options
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06:36<jm_>(EE) RADEON(0): Acceleration initialization failed
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06:36<jm_>sorry was pasting from pastebin - it's only 2 lines on screen, but of course iceweasel makes it 4 when pasting
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06:37<hrvoje>jm_: just installed fglrx-driver so will see what will be now when reboot.
06:37<jm_>(EE) RADEON(0): Acceleration initialization failed
06:37<jm_>(II) RADEON(0): Acceleration disabled
06:37<jm_>that explains why it's slow
06:38<hrvoje>jm_; so should I enable it somehow?
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06:38<hrvoje>jm_: if it's possible
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06:38<jm_>hrvoje: I'm affraid that's something I can't help you with, possibly ask on debian-users or appropriate forum for radeon driver
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06:38<kubu>hi, pals. i am looking directions on how to save, insert PGP key
06:38<hrvoje>jm_: ok thank you anyway :)
06:39<hrvoje>kubu: it can be as .deb or just download from software site
06:39<dehqan>good day everybody ,how can this error be fixed
06:39<dehqan>configure: error: Package requirements ("ImageMagick") were not met
06:39<hrvoje>dehqan: probably some dependency problem
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06:40<dehqan>this package is installed
06:40<hrvoje>dehqan: try apt-get -f install if you have it in repo or else download
06:40<dehqan>it is installed
06:40<jm_>hrvoje: might be related to DRM too
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06:41<dehqan>jm_ does it need dev package also ?
06:41<dehqan>like that libssl ...
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06:41<hrvoje>jm_: will try install libdrm
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06:42<dehqan>these errors happen while installing libfprint from source
06:42<jm_>hrvoje: and that's where the big mess^wmix called kernel version/x version comes to play
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06:43<dehqan>what is the name of imagemagick dev file
06:43<hrvoje>jm_: hm... well i can always go back to old kernel :)
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06:43<hrvoje>dehqan: seems there is no developer package for imagemagick
06:44<jm_>dehqan: are you using debian?
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06:44<dehqan>yes jm
06:44<jm_>dehqan: do you know how to search for packages?
06:45<jm_>so how come you failed to find libmagick++9-dev?
06:45<dr|z3d>apt-cache search imagemajick |grep dev
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06:45<dr|z3d>*substitute the correct spelling
06:45<hrvoje>dr|z3d won't find it like then, coz only library has -dev
06:46<dehqan># apt-cache search imagemagick |grep dev
06:46<dehqan>graphicsmagick-libmagick-dev-compat - image processing libraries providing ImageMagick interface
06:46<dehqan>libgraphicsmagick++1-dev - format-independent image processing - C++ development files
06:46<dehqan>libgraphicsmagick1-dev - format-independent image processing - C development files
06:46<dehqan>libmagick++9-dev - C++ API to the ImageMagick library - development files
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06:47<dehqan2>so it's dev file is which one
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06:48<azeem_>you should not be compiling from source if you cannot deal with things like theis
06:48<hrvoje>this first is probably for GUI
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06:48<dehqan2>yes but there is not easer way now
06:49<hrvoje>or for some other program
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06:49<AzaTht>anyone knows of any alternative of mkfs for the "ability" to create an ext3 fs and at the same time be able to track the progress without using expect?
06:49<dehqan2>for libfprint0 installing
06:49<hrvoje>try with libmagick++9-dev
06:49<azeem_>dehqan2: people told you to recompile the source package from experimental I think
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06:50<craigevil>wouldnt the ssb method work for exp as well?
06:50<dehqan2>yes thanks but here connection is dial up and the way that has less size download should be select ...
06:50<hrvoje>not from experimental
06:51<dehqan2>and libfprint is just in experimental rep ,
06:51<dehqan2>hence many packages should be download again cause of iy's version
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06:52<hrvoje>oh sry thought you talking about imagemagick
06:52<hrvoje>yes that would be problem in compatibly
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06:54<dehqan2>isn't there any libfprint .deb package for lenny ?
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06:54<hrvoje>obviously not if it's not in your stable repo :)
06:54<hrvoje>and it's not even in my unstable
06:56<AzaTht>what is di using to format disks?
06:56<dehqan2>ok thanks alot for you'r attentions ,Be successful
06:56<hrvoje>AzaTht fdisk?
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06:57<AzaTht>hrvoje: since when could fdisk format?
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06:57<hrvoje>AzaTht: since I'm using linux ... :)
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06:57<azeem_>hrvoje: well, you're wrong
06:58<azeem_>fdisk partitions disks, it does not format partitions
06:58<hrvoje>sry.. just to make partitions..
06:58<hrvoje>but formating depends on which FS you want
06:58<azeem_>hrvoje: did you understand the question?
06:58<hrvoje>i hope
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06:59<azeem_>obviously d-i knows what file system it wants, because the user told it what to use
06:59<jm_>too much karlovacko in heat ;)
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07:00<AzaTht>hrvoje: do they parse mkfs.ext3?
07:00<hrvoje>jm_: ah not Karlovačko :p
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07:00<AzaTht>like using expect?
07:00<AzaTht>or how do they
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07:00<azeem_>AzaTht: you could read the source
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07:00<dr|z3d>^ bot
07:00<jm_>doesn't sound like you need to use expect for this, you can simply read its output and parse it
07:01<dr|z3d>Give it 2 minutes, jackyf will disappear.
07:01<AzaTht>azeem_: easier said than done :(
07:01<jm_>as in popen()
07:02<azeem_>dr|z3d: are you saying jackyf is a bot?
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07:02<dr|z3d>My bad.
07:02*dr|z3d chuckles.
07:02<obese>hi i just installed compiz and im having some trouble with the titlebar disappearing on some of my windows
07:02<jackyf>good joke
07:02<dr|z3d>I've seen that nick before in bot formation. Sorry.
07:02<bike__>yep ^^
07:03<hrvoje>obese: KDE or GNOME?
07:03<dr|z3d>obese: Try reloading your window manager.
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07:03<hrvoje>obese: it happens. do you use Emerald?
07:03<AzaTht>jm_: I have tried to parse mkfs, though I noticed it required an pty to not bail out
07:03<obese>no im using metacity for the moment
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07:04<obese>this only seems to be happening with my web browser, iceweasel
07:04<obese>all my other windows are ok
07:04<hrvoje>obese: but it's metacity theme then
07:04<AzaTht>thus I wondered if there are better ways to format an partition without using ugly mkfs parsing
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07:05<obese>hrvoje, should i rry emerald istead?
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07:05<hrvoje>obese: as you wish, as it has own windowbar...
07:06<hrvoje>obese: am not using compiz at all..
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07:06<jm_>AzaTht: maybe check on tty2 what it is doing when it's formatting
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07:06<AzaTht>jm_: it dumps stuff on tty2?
07:06<hrvoje>obese: but then you need to set it to use emerald instead of Metacity (with fusion-icon)
07:07<jm_>AzaTht: no, you can get shell there, you'll find messages on tty3 and 4
07:07<obese>hrvoje, im still testing it out, im not sure if i want to use emerald or not
07:07<obese>i like my gtk theme alot
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07:08<AzaTht>it dumps stuff on tty3 and 4?
07:08<hrvoje>obese: try it, it won't harm :) it's only for window decoration...
07:09<AzaTht>jm_: I'm talking about mkfs, only questioned about di regarding how they format
07:09<AzaTht>in my system, there won't be any real tty:s directly
07:10<py1hon>what do you need to parse?
07:10<AzaTht>the process
07:11<azeem_>AzaTht: are you sure d-i even shows progress for this?
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07:11<AzaTht>azeem_: I thought it did, but true, was a long time since I installed a debian system :)
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07:56<jarens>multipath problem
07:56<jarens>after have upgraded my server from etch to lenny, I have a strange issue with multipath
07:57<jarens>one of my lun doesn't show up any more in /dev/mapper
07:57<jarens>I can see the devices, fdisk can read the partition table of the devices
07:57<jarens>so the FC looks ok
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07:58<jarens>multipath -v6 gives me that error : libdevmapper: ioctl/libdm-iface.c(1623): device-mapper: reload ioctl failed: Invalid argument
07:58<jarens>any ideas ?
07:59<jarens>I have 3 other luns that work perfectly, but not that one
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09:53<kosen>anyone who speak norwegian or swedish her?
09:53<Gathond>I can probably understand it, although it will be heavily influenced by my danish if I attempt to actually write anything
09:54<brother->kosen: ja
09:54<brother->kosen: men isf tar vi nog det i /msg asså
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09:55<kosen>#brother hva mente du med /msg?
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09:57<Gathond>kosen: he means, write /msg nick yourmessage
09:57<Gathond>kosen: prevents it from going to the channel, and avoids the semi broken non NAT friendly DCC stuff
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09:58<klog>dcc stuff?
09:59<Gathond>DCC chat, have the clients talk directly without the server in between
09:59<azeem_>klog, brother-: this is an english channel, please write in english
09:59<dpkg>Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i på FreeNode (, SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974.
09:59<Gathond>the thing is it works poorly unless both machines have a global address or all the gateways handle it
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10:04<handjob>Good morning gentleman. Does any of you may have some good noob tutorial of how to use linux box (debian lenny) for connecting cell phone (nokia) to the internet?
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10:06<koollman>handjob: google for 'debian tethering nokia <your phone model here>'
10:06*arw hello people
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10:06<klog>Gathond: there is this guy on IRC that insists on using DCC chat if I am to pm him. Why would he do such a thing?
10:07<handjob>koollman, Thank you koolman.
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10:07<Gathond>not involve the server?
10:08<klog>Gathond: what purpose does does that serve?
10:08<Gathond>klog: it does tend to work, as long as only one person is behind a NAT router, then again NAT routers may just do the required tricks now a days, I've not bothered using it for 9+ years
10:08<brother->azeem_: I know that's why I proposed to use /msg. one single row to tell some one not to fluent in English precisly that can not really hurt.
10:08<koollman>well, he gets your IP, and he knows the chat isn't visible from the irc server ... which part he is interested in ...
10:08<Gathond>klog: dunno, if you are very paranoid it is slightly harder to observe what is going on.
10:09<koollman>assuming your vhost means you are using tor, I guess it's ok to connect 'directly' to him
10:10<dr|z3d>klog: dcc chat is direct, bypasses possible snooping, in theory, anyways.
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10:11<klog>dr|z3d: what do you mean 'in theory'?
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10:11<dr|z3d>klog: I mean, under normal usage, assuming the CIA hasn't tapped your line, etc.
10:11<Gathond>klog: that it bypasses snoopig at the server location, the traffic can still be snooped on every router it passes through unencrypted
10:12<koollman>or assuming the sysadmin of some telco company isn't watching all irc-like flows to find out what's going on today ...
10:12<koollman>not that they would do that, of course.
10:12<Gathond>anyway if you are paranoid using DCC to avoid that seems to be silly to me
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10:14<koollman>and if your are really paranoid, you don't use dcc (or irc) to discuss privately with anyone
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10:14<OdyX>if you are really paranoid, use asymmetric encryption over your files...
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10:15<Gathond>koollman: you may use DCC i suppose, to exchange encrypted messages
10:15<Gathond>provided you are not paranoid enought to attempt to hide the fact that you are communicating with this fellow:)
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10:15<edbian>I'm setting up a file server in my home (running debian of course). I want to make a folder a sort of "shared drive" that is available on the network with 777 permissions. What would be the proper way to set the owner and group? Where in the filesystem should I place such a file?
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10:18<klog>i have a question pertaining to debian
10:18<EmleyMoor>klog: Nothing to
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10:18<edbian>klog: Sorry? You're in the right place
10:19*EmleyMoor was going to say "Nothinng to be sorry about"
10:19<EmleyMoor>The channel awaits your question :-)
10:19<klog>how do you set up bluetooth in debian? or is that not possible?
10:20<EmleyMoor>klog: It's certainly possible - provided there is support for your Bluetooth hardware
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10:21<klog>I've setup bluetooth easily in ubuntu. it was a breeze. but debian is being a bit stubborn.
10:21<EmleyMoor>klog: As I understand it, a good many dongles and builtins are supported - this is at kernel level...
10:21<Gathond>klog: and for whatever profile it is you wish to use
10:22<Gathond>mose probably work to some extend on the hardware level, the basic HCI interface they use are part of the standard
10:22*EmleyMoor will be getting Bluetooth soon
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10:22<Gathond>so in theory chips at that level should be fairly replaceable (note should)
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10:32<edbian>I'm setting up a file server in my home (running debian of course). I want to make a folder a sort of "shared drive" that is available on the network with 777 permissions. What would be the proper way to set the owner and group? Where in the filesystem should I place such a file? This is all via NFS
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10:33<cahoot> 777 seems daring
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10:34<edbian>666 perhaps
10:34<edbian>point is I want full read and write for others
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10:40<edbian>I'm trying to write the entry in exports (nfs). How do I specify "any ip address between and" ??
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10:43<cahoot> look for ipcalc
10:43<edbian>buffoon_work: Is that the same as ?
10:44<buffoon_work>edbian, yes
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10:44<edbian>buffoon_work: Thank you!
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10:46<edbian>Is there a way to make my NFS shares show up under Places -> Network ??
10:46<edbian>Or is that all just samba stuff?
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10:46<handjob>I meange to set connection between my lenny and nokia using this tutorial : Everything is fine till when the phone asks for 'opening code' for 'debian-0' (my box). Anyone can tell me what is this code?
10:51<petemc>handjob: tried making up a 4 digit pin?
10:51<petemc>most often when linking bluetooth devices, you set an arbitrary code then repeat it on the second device
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10:54<handjob>petemc, Well the pin code does not seems to work.
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10:55<Gathond>handjob: the bluetooth "pin" code is usually not the same as the phone pin
10:55<Gathond>usually (IF sw on the computer allows) it will ask for the pin either before or after the phone
10:55<Gathond>it just has to be the same number on both
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10:56<handjob>Gathond, But the question is where do i put the secound cod in linux box?
10:57<Gathond>depends on how you connect I suppose
10:57<Gathond>usually for me bluetooth-applet asks me
10:57<Gathond>when the phone attempts to connect
10:57<Gathond>I'm guessing you can also specify a default pin for the computer in one of the bluez configuration files if you prefer
10:58<handjob>Ok i need to go. Tank you for support. I will be beck with more whining later.
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11:08*dpkg pours hot grits down the front of oizo's pants
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11:18<DebiEA>anyone here familiar with configuring samba ?
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11:49<wretched_dutchman>Hello, I have a problem with some internal port forwarding... I installed sendmail and I can find port 25 over localhost, but not over eth0, can anyone help me make it accessible for external use?
11:50<bja>wretched_dutchman: postfix is a drop in replacement for sendmail, its far simpler to configure than sendmail :)
11:50<wretched_dutchman>my boss wants me to learn sendmail, so I expermint at home atm...
11:51<themill>wretched_dutchman: feel free to borrow our cluebat and use it freely on your boss
11:51<azeem_>wretched_dutchman: you probably won't get a lot of sendmail help here; most people consider it obsolete
11:51<wretched_dutchman>ok, but formed in a different mather: is this problem a sendmail configuration or is it another network-service that blocks it for external use?
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11:52<Gathond>wretched_dutchman: could be both
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11:52<wretched_dutchman>(since I saw the same issue with mysql)
11:52<Gathond>or it could be the firewall blocking it
11:53<Gathond>as for sendmail goes I have no further input to the other 3 :)
11:53<themill>the default configuration is unlikely to listen on the public interface (only on localhost if anything)
11:53<wretched_dutchman>as far as I know, my firewall is completely open
11:54<cahoot>wretched_dutchman: no /etc/default/sendmail to edit?
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11:56<wretched_dutchman>there is no /etc/default/sendmail by default and I'm to new to linux/debian to know by what service that conf-dir is used... (if someone can enlighten me)
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12:09<tcorneli>hi, did anyone ever get warnings with xscreensaver?
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12:14<[machine]>wretched-dutcham: if i understand your question correctly.. /etc/mail/ is the place to start looking.. specifically the line DAEMON_OPTIONS
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12:16<[machine]>the way you generally configure sendmail is to modify the .mc files and then use make to build the .cf file... (noone in their right mind groks .cf)
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12:16<themill>I would guess that #sendmail on is more likely to be useful
12:17<wretched_dutchman>I found it, by default the bind-address for smtp is only on localhost :)
12:17<rjent>Greetings, could someone provide an example d-i partman-auto/expert_recipe string that skips over the first partition and used the remainder of the disk to install debian?
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12:18<[machine]>themill: sure.. but debians is not the default... i guess they can answer generically
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12:19<themill>[machine]: indeed. But so few people in #d use sendmail that getting answers here can be difficult.
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12:19<[machine]>themill: hah, i'm a sendmail user :)
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12:19<themill>azeem_: ^^ see, there is one after all!!1!
12:20<[machine]>iirc, dpkg-reconfigure sendmail helps new users
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12:20<themill>.o0("aptitude install postfix" helps new sendmail users even more)
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12:21<dpkg>Sing it, sister!
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12:22<[machine]>sendmail is the only one that is default on so many real unixes... everyone should know it</religiouswar>
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12:22<[machine]>but no, i guess if you have no need to know it postfix is easier to start with
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12:30<Oyashiro>i'm trying to install Debian 5.1 from net-inst disc and i'v got error that mirror servers are not avaible
12:31<Oyashiro>anyone know why ?
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12:51<antonyy>Hi people, I am trying to convert the video files which have the format .mts to .mpeg (the filies are the result of video recordings made with videocamera). what would be the debian package good for this? - thanks.
12:51<koollman>antonyy: probably ffmpeg
12:51<antonyy>thx, trying
12:52<petemc>handbrake has a nice frontend for converting video
12:52<antonyy>petemc: I tried handbrake already - apt-cache search handbrake returns no reuslt
12:53<dr|z3d>Yeah, handbrake is also the swiss army knife of video conversion tools.
12:53<dpkg>somebody said dmm was Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
12:53<Slurb_>antonyy: add the debian multimedia repo
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12:54<antonyy>slurb_ - thx! i forgot about this
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12:55<antonyy>!dpkg dmm lenny
12:55<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
12:55<grim_>hi, is there a german debian channel ?
12:55<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
12:55<Oyashiro>i'm trying to install Debian 5.1 from net-inst disc and i'v got error that mirror servers are not avaible
12:55<Oyashiro>anyone know why ?
12:55<grim_>thanks, petemc
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12:56<dr|z3d>Oyashiro: Your DNS is down?
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12:56<Oyashiro>not, i checked
12:56<dr|z3d>Tried pinging a mirror address?
12:56<petemc>no ping in the installer, need to use wget to test
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12:57<dr|z3d>Ah, k. What petemc said, then. :)
12:57<Oyashiro>i checked mirror servers from my laptop, they are up
12:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:57<petemc>Oyashiro: you need to test the network on the machine you're installing on
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13:00<DebianFan>is there a debian on CD that I can run off from CD?
13:01<dpkg>An operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (, ask me about <debian live>.
13:01<antonyy>slurb_ : on the ther machine I have etch (still) and multimedia is in my sources.list however the search gives the void result. Is the handbrake so young that it was not in etch??
13:01<Slurb_>antonyy: i think so yes
13:01<DebianFan>what is debian live?
13:02<Slurb_>!debian live
13:02<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. #debian-live on OFTC ( Note that the live-cd doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>).
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13:03<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a UNIX/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. Be aware that debootstrap can't --include packages involving non-required Pre-Depends (e.g. `--include=linux-image-686' will fail), see #487908 in the <BTS>.
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13:03<DebianFan>is this debian-live-501-i386-standard.iso the image i shall use?
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13:04<Slurb_>do you have 64bit processor?
13:04<DebianFan>no. just old dell laptop
13:04<Slurb_>yep thats the one
13:04<DebianFan>what i want 2 do is simply recover some files from an virus infect dell laptop
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13:04<Slurb_>might work
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13:05<Slurb_>id scan the files first make sure they arent infected before putting them on another windows box
13:05<DebianFan>what is grml?
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13:06<dpkg>grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. #grml on
13:06<DebianFan>i installed Debian onto an extern USB drive.. which i booted up o.
13:06<DebianFan>k. however, when i plug in the internal drive, then i cant boot
13:06<DebianFan>then, removed the internal drv, it booted up ok again....
13:07<Slurb_>might be a bad drive
13:07<DebianFan>can't seem 2 b able 2 hv the internal drive connected.
13:07<Slurb_>the external usb boot should mount it
13:07<Slurb_>check dmesg for errors
13:07<karthakon42>/help msg
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13:08<antonyy>slurb_ : hmmm I installed handbrake on my lenny machine however when I try to convert a .mts file it says "no source" - is it normal?
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13:08<DebianFan>usb boot didn't mount it.. it seemed that the /dev changed... without internal drv, the /dev name sdb1 or hda1 changed or something.
13:09<Slurb_>antonyy: not sure what kind of file is it?
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13:10<Slurb_>DebianFan: it would show in dmesg
13:10<antonyy>slurb_ : wait 1 min I will check the file oncew more
13:10<DebianFan>it is windows partioned drv.
13:10<Slurb_>DebianFan: should be supported by a stock kernel
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13:11<bja>DebianFan: first you need to tell your bios to boot from the usb pendrive, after that an fdisk -l shall give you all the hdds on your machine, mount accordingly, copy whatever you need to your pendrive shutdown and reinstall windows.
13:12<Slurb_>bja: he is able to boot from the usb drive
13:12<DebianFan>i did change the bio to boot only from usb. and disable any other devices...
13:12<bja>DebianFan: try it with the hdd on, it will work
13:12<DebianFan>with hdd on?
13:13<Slurb_>he is
13:13<Slurb_>just disabled other boot devices
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13:13<DebianFan>i hv internal drv connected, and in the bio, only boot from usb...
13:13<bja>< DebianFan> k. however, when i plug in the internal drive, then i cant boot
13:13<Slurb_>bad choice of words
13:14<Slurb_>i knew what he meant though
13:14<DebianFan>sorry, i meant, it boots up @grub , but can't mount the /root...
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13:14<Slurb_>probably drive is bad or ruined by a virus
13:15<bja>Sorry, then i got all things screwed up, download and burn grml, boot up, mount accordingly copy files to a pendrive, shutdown and reistall windows
13:15<Slurb_>he doesnt need to d/l anything
13:16<Slurb_>he has an external usb working
13:16<antonyy>slurb_ : i am trying to make Handbrake to convert the file 0064.mts (copied from the videocamera memory) to .mpeg format. So I choose it as "source". and I observe the comment at the bottom of the handbrake window: no source.
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13:16<DebianFan>k. i will try the grml
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13:17<bja>Slurb_: Sorry, for the second consecutive time i screwed up, guess My chinesse charset is making me look things differently :)
13:17<DebianFan>in the /dev directory, how do i kno which one is for usb drive and which is for internal harddrive?
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13:18<Slurb_>antonyy: i have never heard of a mts file before i dont know the answer
13:18<bja>Old dells used to have ide drives, usually represented by hd? and usb drives are usually representad by sd?
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13:19<DebianFan>just fnish install the regular debian on usb while internal hd was connected. but i kept internal hd untouch and installed on usb...
13:19<antonyy>slurb_ - this is a standard format produced by the videocameras
13:19<DebianFan>it booted up ok...
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13:20<DebianFan>but can't seem 2 find /dev/hd?? to mount
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13:20<hrvoje>kayboard layouts don't work with AltGr in Iceweasel
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13:20<hrvoje>debian testing, kde4
13:21<Seattle_Mike>Lenny kradio, gnomeradio, gradio NO Audio all other audio OK ?
13:21<niq>hello, I would like to install nvidia-glx-ia32 on debian testing (amd64) but it wants to install ia32-libs which conflicts with nvidia-glx-ia32. What should I do ?
13:22<Slurb>try /dev/hda1
13:22<Seattle_Mike>Also xawtv works with image but no sound.
13:22<DebianFan>ok. just got it.. it is in /dev/disk/by-id/ata-toshiba-something-something-part???
13:22<hrvoje>niq: there is no glx for amd64?
13:23<niq>but then it is mesagl for ia32 aps on amd64
13:23<niq>and I do have glx for amd64 already
13:24<hrvoje>so what's the problem then?
13:24<niq>hrvoje, I would like to run 32 bits openGL apps on my 64 bits debian
13:24<antonyy>slurb_ : so you mean that handbrake is good for converting for example .avi to .mpeg and similar things? basically ffmpeg can do it indeed
13:24<niq>and run them with hardware acceleration
13:25<niq>it is impossible to install the package nvidia-glx-ia32 right now. (for anyone)
13:25<hrvoje>niq: i see... and have you tried to install ia32-libs?
13:25<niq>it is installed already
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13:26<hrvoje>niq: dunno ... sorry
13:26<Slurb>run handbrake from the command line and get the exact error message
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13:26<niq>'nvidia-glx-ia32' depends on 'ia32-libs' and 'ia32-libs' conflicts with 'nvidia-glx-ia32'
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13:27<niq>I think it is due to recent changes in 'ia32-libs' package
13:27<hrvoje>try "-f install"
13:27<Slurb>niq are install -f
13:27<hrvoje>or then try to install it from stable repos..
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13:27<niq>I'll try that
13:29<antonyy>Slurb : $ handbrake
13:29<antonyy>bash: handbrake: command not found
13:30<hrvoje>aptitude install handbrake-cli
13:30<antonyy>ok! thx
13:30<hrvoje>or gtk yes
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13:31<niq>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
13:31<niq> nvidia-glx-ia32: Depends: ia32-libs but it is not going to be installed
13:31<niq>E: Broken packages
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13:32<hrvoje>aptitude ia32-libs
13:32<hrvoje>aptitude install ia32-libs
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13:32<hrvoje>and then: aptitude -f install
13:32<niq>hmm i need to install aptitude
13:32<hrvoje>apt-get, whatever
13:33<antonyy>Slurb: i did it. there is no error messages. Hadbrake is OK to choose the file 0064.mts, then thers is the message "No source" at the ottom of the window
13:33<DebianFan>files retrieved successful via ssh/scp :)
13:33<bja>!congratulate DebianFan
13:33<dpkg>Yay DebianFan, you did it!
13:33<DebianFan>thx. for all helps. guys...
13:34<DebianFan>reformat time :) and bak to windows nitemare..
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13:35<antonyy>slurb: oh I am sorry there are eerrrorrs ... 1 sec
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13:36<DebianFan>any virus scan on debian 2 scan these files that i retrieved just incase ?
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13:36<dr|z3d>DebianFan: ClamAv.
13:37<antonyy>slurb: it says that the file is MPEG Transport Stream with 192 byte packets offset 4 bytes
13:37<antonyy>slurb: and thn several messages like Warning: Could not read data for preview 1, skipped
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13:39<Slurb>sounds like theres something wrong with the file
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13:40<Slurb>but no errors?
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13:40<antonyy>no errors strictly speaking - it just says the file is not OK for him
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13:40<antonyy>ibhb: scan thread found 0 valid title(s)
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13:43<antonyy>the software sold with the camera though converts the file to .wmv (under XP)
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13:44<DebianFan>clamav is cool. scanning the retrieved files.. so far so good :) again, thx ev1
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13:45<Seattle_Mike>Lenny SoX v14.0.1 no audio
13:46<chahibi>I am experiencing over heating with Debian. It happened during the installation, It passed after I chose a minimal setup. Now it is the third time it does it. It is an HP laptop. What can I do?
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13:46<hrvoje>chahibi: put it in fridge :)
13:46<bja>chahibi: first clean those heat disipators, and makesure airflow is unristricted
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13:47<bja>working on the fridge, next to a beer, is not a bad idea either :)
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13:47<kubu>any one know how to save and insert repos of kubuntu public PGP key to packagekit?
13:48<bja>kubu: Check on #ubuntu @
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13:48<chahibi>bja: but it only happens when I use Debian. The laptop is on a flat table, as intended to be used.
13:48<hrvoje>chahibi: have you checked CD for errors?
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13:49<bja>chahibi: Sometimes debian reports the problem when windows doesn't
13:49<chahibi>bja: actually someone seems to experience the same thing
13:49<kubu>thanks bja,
13:50<bja>kubu: np
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13:51<karthakon>/help nick
13:51<karthakon>/leave #debian
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13:53<chahibi>bja: what is weird is that it shuts down at the same time
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13:53<Seattle_Mike>Help Lenny 2.6.26-2-686 Kradio, gnomeradio NO Audio?
13:54<bja>chahibi: I'm reading the url that you posted, and also the full thread.
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13:54<hrvoje>chahibi: then you got a clue on which process he shuts down..
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13:54<niq>howhow can I edit a .deb file ?
13:55<hrvoje>niq: edit? for what?
13:55<themill>!wayttd niq
13:55<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, niq?
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13:55<niq>I try to remove a conflict
13:55<hrvoje>you downloaded older ia32?
13:56<hrvoje>you could just put "-t stable"
13:56<hrvoje>but now "dpkg -i ***.deb"
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13:57<bja>chahibi: no clue, maybe someone else can help
13:57<niq>nvidia-glx-ia32 wants to install ia32-libs, but the latest version of ia32-libs conflicts with nvidia-glx-ia32 < 1.0.8774-7 etch version of nvidia-glx-ia32 is 1.0.8776-4 but stable and later versions of nvidia-glx-ia32 are > 173.14.09-5
13:57<hrvoje>try aptitude -t etch
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13:58<niq>if I try to install etch version of nvidia-glx (not the 32 bits version) it will uninstall xorg
13:59<niq>and it wants to install older linux kernel image
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13:59<hrvoje>but it should work on stable
13:59<niq>so if I just edit the .deb to change that conflict it would be simpler
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14:00<niq>stable version of nvidia-glx-ia32 is 173.14.09-5
14:00<Tekno>force install it
14:00<niq>all version of ia32-libs conflicts with versions < 1.0.8774-7
14:00<hrvoje>i dunno.. try with vim, never edited DEB
14:00<niq>versionning changed for that package that's why it is screwed up
14:00<Slurb>and then set apt to prefer the installed version
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14:00*niq away, sorry.
14:00<themill>The conflicts is there for a reason.
14:01<penmeister>I have a difficult problem before me: I want to share files between two computers, on ONE folder, but every time I ask for help I am referred to a MASSIVE help file that is of no help whatsoever because I cannot find what I'm looking for. Could anyone tell me the steps in setting up samba simply to share files THATS ALL, or refer me to a more concise reference?
14:01<Tekno>dpkg --force-all
14:01<dpkg>Tekno: I don't know, could you explain it?
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14:01<Tekno>man dpkg
14:01<Slurb>penmeister: google samba on debian
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14:02<penmeister>Slurb: what do you think I just got done explaining?
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14:02<dmoerner>penmeister: use smbfs
14:03<hrvoje>on my debian testing keyboard layouts don't work properly in Iceweasel
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14:04<dmoerner>penmeister: setting up a share just means add it to smb.conf, see e.g.
14:04<dmoerner>first hit on google "debian samba"...
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14:06<hrvoje>I can't get letters made with dead keys (AltGr) in Iceweasel
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14:07<katjana>hey what can I do against broken packages?
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14:07<hrvoje>katjana: what exactly
14:07<hrvoje>katjana: you can try -f install
14:09<hrvoje>katjana: i meant have it stopped during installation or what error it gives you
14:09<bja>katjana: I believe you are beeing helped on why don't you listen one at a time
14:09<hrvoje>katjana: just try "aptitude -f install"
14:10<katjana>no even reinstallation progresses without any failure.
14:11<katjana>but the real problem is, that lpr is not longer on my system
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14:11<hrvoje>katjana: well then try to install it again :)
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14:12<bja>katjana: reistal cups package
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14:13<hrvoje>katjana: or try dpkg-reconfigure cups
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14:14<azeem_>hrvoje: this is about cups-client (cups-bsd, really), not cups, AFAICT
14:14<katjana>thanks @ all, I've been told to install cups-bsd. it contains the lpr.
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14:15<hrvoje>well lpr is BDS system
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14:19<tuxcrafter>hi all, i am searching for an upload command that i can use to test the upload speed of a debian server form the console
14:19<tuxcrafter>is there some nice command and address where i can sent a file to
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14:19<tuxcrafter>i use this to test my download speed : wget -cr i am searching for something similair fot upload?
14:20<abraham>use from lynx
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14:23<tuxcrafter>abraham: it needs flash
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14:27<tuxcrafter>ow i can use scp to test upload speed
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14:30<beanbechoi>anybody here
14:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
14:30<beanbechoi>who know back track 4
14:31<beanbechoi>how to use it to crack wifi
14:31<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), formerly <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #remote-exploit on See also <based on debian>.
14:31<beanbechoi>who know?
14:31<azeem_>read the whole line
14:31<adema>hum need some help plz :o
14:31<azeem_>especially the "It is not supported in #debian"
14:31<beanbechoi>i use code airmon-ng
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14:32<beanbechoi>i see wlan0 atheros
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14:32<adema>back when i was in lenny, i had a repo in my sources.list, but then i upgrade to squeeze and i remove the repo but when i do a aptitude update, it stills try to access the repo
14:32<adema>i don't know why
14:32<adema>Err lenny Release.gpg
14:32<adema> Ne parvient pas à résoudre « »
14:32<adema>Err lenny/main Translation-fr
14:32<adema> Ne parvient pas à résoudre « »
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14:32<beanbechoi>who can crack wifi with back track
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14:33<adema>sorry :o
14:33<beanbechoi>please teach me
14:33<azeem_>beanbechoi: ask elsewhere
14:33<locklace>!lart beanbechoi
14:33*dpkg pulls out his louisville slugger and uses beanbechoi's head to break the homerun record
14:33<azeem_>you are off-topic
14:33<azeem_>locklace: plesae stop that
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14:34<beanbechoi>who can teach me step by step how to crack wifi with back track 4
14:34<azeem>20:32 < azeem_> beanbechoi: ask elsewhere
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15:17<icarus>i deleted some thing i was not susposed to how do i get it back?
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15:18<cahoot>pointing to a backup would be cruel?
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15:20<RoboShim>hi all. has anyone running drbd0.7 on debian lenny with kernel 2.6.26-2? I have upgraded one xen server from etch to lenny, during upgrade has been drbd0.7 module source upgraded, but it is not possible to build module using module-assistant - it fails with an error "scripts/ *** CFLAGS was changed in "/usr/src/modules/drbd/drbd/Makefile". Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop."
15:20<RoboShim>I have searched using google and found the same problems but no solution ...
15:20<asaleem>I have 1/1.txt and 2/1.txt, I want to echo some_text into both at the same time. I tried echo some_text */1.txt but it did not work. Any ideas?
15:20<RoboShim>does anyone have any idea?
15:21<RoboShim>btw: i need drbd0.7 because of other node is still debian etch with drbd0.7 ...
15:21<RoboShim>thank you for hints ...
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15:31<adama>asaleem: echo some_text | tee 1/1.txt > 2/1.txt
15:31<algol>Hey everyone. :)
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15:31<adama>asaleem: if you want more of a */1.txt you will want a for loop I think
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15:35<asaleem>adama, let me try
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15:42<asaleem>adama, for i in `*/1.txt`; do echo some_text >>$i;done
15:42<asaleem>adama, why it does not work
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15:44<chahibi>Is it just me or default fonts in Debian/Gnome look bigger than on Mac/Win?
15:45<loudergood>not just you
15:45<loudergood>probably dpi related
15:45<Algol>I was about to say the same thing.
15:45<adama>asaleem: */1.txt is not a command. Try ls */1.txt
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15:46<asaleem>adama, ohh yes, sorry
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15:48<adama>chahibi: you may specify DPI to use in xorg.conf
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15:53<cahoot>wouldn't it be better define DisplaySize?
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15:58<hrvoje>can't get dead keys (AltGr + some key) working in Iceweasel
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16:02<chahibi>adama: thanks, does setting it in Gnome gives the same result?
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16:03<mars>I have a server running sarge that also has x windows etc installed, but never being used
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16:03<mars>I'd like to upgrade to Etch ? Lenny, but don't want to pull down all those windows updates
16:03<mars>I think it will even try to pull down open office and a bunch of other stuff I don't need on a server
16:04<mars>what's the best way to upgrade this sarge server withouth installing a bunch of stuff that will never be used?
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16:04<azeem>mars: by removing it before you upgrade?
16:04<azeem>also, maybe look at not installing recommends by default
16:05<mars>yes removing it was the 1st waay I considered as well
16:05<mars>I didn't even realise someone had installed it until I started the upgrade a
16:06<adama>chahibi: don't know
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16:07<bja>mars: Would a fresh install of lenny on your server be appropriate?
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16:07<mars>not really, I'd like to keep the existing Tomcat server, Java apps, SQL configs etc
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16:07<azeem>mars: maybe use a graphical package manger and purge everything/most in the gnome/kde/x11 sections
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16:08<mars>bja: But I can definitely go that route if I run into any issues, and reinstall all the java & sql
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16:09<mars>niiice: "low is for control freaks who want to see everything"
16:09<bja>mars: Look at it as a filter, whatever you still need and want, will pass through it, whatever is no longer needed or used, can be droped
16:09<JordiGH>So Emerald isn't packaged. Been a while since I looked at stuff like this. How should I proceed if I want it, but it isn't packaged?
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16:10<mars>yeah I was basically just surprised to see all the Xorg stuff since this is a dedicated server
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16:10<mars>so basically I was sondering if there was a repo/upgrade path that didn't have all those packages included
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16:11<azeem>mars: eh, if somebody installed it, it will get upgraded
16:11<azeem>there is no upgrade path for "servers-where-somebody-installed-desktop-software-on"
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16:12<mars>lol azeem
16:12<JordiGH>Wow, the RFP for emerald is really new.
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16:13<squelos>hello, im having problems with my ati 4870x2. Im just after installing the fglrx drivers, and my computer is real slow when i scroll down :/ even with just text
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16:15<hrvoje>squelos: are you on unstable?
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16:25<squelos>hrvoje yes im on testing. not unstable actually.
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16:26<hrvoje>squelos: try radeon drivers. I have HD 2600 and on testing all works fine while unstable is slow
16:26<DebiEA>samba ain't easy to set-up.. Any ready scripts for doing that? .. I've been busy in smb.conf and smbnetfs.conf for hours without much luck. I can see my linux-system on the network but nothing appears being shared on the network...
16:26<squelos>hrvoje : whats strange is that i fucked up my debian today, and it was working just fine before :/
16:27<hrvoje>squelos: what did you do?
16:27<witte>DebiEA: this is debian wiki page on setting up samba:
16:28<squelos>nothing different from the last time i installed the drivers :/ maybe did a few updates before
16:28<DebiEA>witte, Thanks.. I'll take a look at it again
16:29<witte>DebiEA: there must be gui config tools for it as well
16:29<squelos>if i update my system, could it work better ?
16:30<hrvoje>in your case I doubt
16:30<squelos>could i have dependencies missing ?
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16:31<DebiEA>witte, Hm, is it a GUI-config? ... I've never used samba before, never had windows-comps. in my network before. Any chance that you might know what that GUI-conf would be called ?
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16:31<hrvoje>it would tell you during some installation
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16:32<squelos>if i uninstall the fglrx, will i run on vesa drivers ?
16:32<hrvoje>probably.. try to uninstall it and reconfigure xorg
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16:33<squelos>reconfiguring xorg ? I didnt change anything to my xorg when i installed my deb
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16:33<squelos>that was 2 days ago hrvoje
16:34<loudergood>perhaps if you could pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log it would help
16:34<squelos>loudergood, are u speaking to me ?
16:34<hrvoje>yes, he is probably
16:35<hrvoje>(there's package pastebinit=
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16:38<loudergood>well look at line 879
16:38<loudergood>and the few subsequent lines
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16:40<witte>DebiEA: sorry, was away for a minute. gadmin-samba could be something or kdenetwork-filesharing
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16:41<DebiEA>witte, thank you.. I'll try that. Hm, I olny have openbox installed as WM, maybe should install KDE or GNOME first. Thank you :)
16:42<squelos>oh yeah thanks loudergood
16:42<squelos>there is a problem. but what is the pb :/
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16:42<witte>DebiEA: not needed, you can just run those programs in openbox (although you'll need quite some libraries)
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16:43<hrvoje>dead keys don't work in GTK apps (on KDE), maybe some lib missing?
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16:44<loudergood>squelos, try looking at earlier lines that start in EE..I wish I could be more help but I haven't used FGLRX is a few years
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16:44<squelos>in EE ?
16:45<witte>squelos: I just entered this channel, and I'm not aware of what have been said already, but you might want to check this:
16:45<dpkg>somebody said fglrx was "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the r600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on
16:45<craigevil>EE means error :),, does your xorg.conf have Section "Device" Identifier "ATI" Driver "fglrx"
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16:46<loudergood>there's a line in that log that says "(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown."
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16:46<azeem>I think squelos was talking about your s/in/with/ typo
16:46<squelos>yes craig
16:46<remur_030>Aloha, is it possible to start a debian system without an initrd? I guess I need to check which modules are in the current initrd and make sure they are staticly in the kernel right?
16:46<loudergood>oh yes
16:46<squelos>no i wasnt azeem
16:46<squelos>i didnt know what EE meant
16:47<azeem>squelos: then you didn't make a lot of effort researching it either
16:47<azeem>we appreciate if you try to figure out things yourself for a bit and ask back if you can't resolve
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16:48<squelos>well considering i still dont know what the error means, and that i need about 30sec to scroll down to the line 900 because of the problem :/
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16:49<squelos>what does DRI initialisation mean ?
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16:49<dpkg>somebody said dri was Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see or #dri, or read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok
16:50<witte>squelos: more information on wikipedia i guess
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16:54<squelos>loudergood, i found the problem, i think. when i type lspci, my GPu doesnt show up.
16:54<squelos>it used to show up.
16:54<squelos>to i need to upgrade my system knowing its a new graphics card (4870x2
16:54<witte>squelos: did you open your box lately?
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16:54<squelos>open my computer ?
16:54<azeem>squelos: if it does not show up, it is not connected at the hardware level
16:54<squelos>im not english.
16:55<azeem>or broken
16:55<squelos>its connected, i dont have an integrated GPu
16:55<witte>squelos: you should have something there (even if it is unrecognized)
16:55<witte>yeah, opened your pc
16:55<sney^>reseat it
16:55<squelos>yes its unrecognized
16:55<sney^>take it out and put it back in
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16:55<dpkg>rumour has it, pciids is run update-pciids or see, or run update-pciids to update your PCI ID database, if your lspci output shows "unknown device"
16:55<azeem>squelos: eh?
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16:55<squelos>so i couldnt talk to you without a GPU :)
16:55<azeem>squelos: please put the output of lspci on a pastebin
16:55<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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16:56<squelos>witte, does lspci update itself when updating the system ?
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16:56<witte>squelos: I believe so
16:56<squelos>for the xorg.conf
16:56<witte>squelos: at least with the command update-pciids
16:56<azeem>squelos: 22:55 < azeem> squelos: please put the output of lspci on a pastebin
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16:57<azeem>03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 9441
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16:57<squelos>its unrecognised. today before reinstalling debian, it said hd4870x2
16:58<azeem>but it *shows up*
16:58<squelos>yes it shows up :)
16:58<azeem>next time, please be more precise, and save people's time
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16:58<azeem>22:53 < squelos> loudergood, i found the problem, i think. when i type lspci, my GPu doesnt show up.
16:58<squelos>yeah, i wanted to say that the HD4870x2 part didnt show up :)
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16:58<azeem>see above
16:59<squelos>anyways, i believe thats the problem. how could xorg work right if he doesnt know what GPU i got in there ?
16:59<squelos>ill update my system to start with
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17:00<azeem>you seem to believe that the fglrx driver trusts lspci on telling it what gpu is there
17:00<azeem>you are wrong
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17:01<squelos>i am. when i launch the catalyst control center, it does tell me its a 4870x2
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17:01<squelos>i am wrong i mean :)
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17:12<artafinde>hi when i try to install nvidia-glx-ia32 aptitude is trying to resolve depentancies and fail is there a bug currently ?
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17:13<artafinde>Using 64bit unstable sid and installed nvidia-glx (vesion 185.18.14)
17:13<azeem>artafinde: which version of Debian?
17:13<azeem>artafinde: well, unstable
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17:14<azeem>check the BTS yourself then
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17:14<azeem>and/or file a bug
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17:15<artafinde>aptitude says: nvidia-glx-ia32 depends on ia32-libx11-6 and ia32-libxext6 but I can't find any of these :S
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17:15<azeem>artafinde: the ia32- got deprecated
17:16<artafinde>well ia32-apt-get is still buggy so there issn't a solution I guess..
17:17<azeem>it got discontinued AFAIK
17:17<azeem>well, no idea really
17:18<locsmif>Is there some program in Debian that can create checksums for files in a tree structure and check these sums against the files on request?
17:18<inglor>hrvoje: yeah reading it as we spaek thanks :)
17:18<locsmif>s/tree structure/directory tree/
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17:18<manager>hey up
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17:19<hobofood>does anyone here know what is up with apt_bot on twitter?
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17:19<hrvoje>try "aptitude -t testing install nvidia-glx-ia32"
17:19<hobofood>it seems to be searching twitter for "sudo apt-get" and running the commands, then returning the results
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17:23<hrvoje>dead keys don't work in gtk apps!
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17:23<hrvoje>tried to install scim but didn't do the job
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17:24<inglor>hrvoje: not possible since it breaks libc6
17:25<hrvoje>inglor: what does it say?
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17:26<inglor>hrvoje: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
17:26<inglor> libc6-i386: Breaks: nvidia-glx-ia32 (<= 185.18.14-1) but 173.14.09-5 is to be installed.
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17:27<icebrain>hi, what software do you use to test/record using the webcam? I've tried camorama, but it says "could not connect to video device", but Skype doesn't have problems using it
17:27<hrvoje>inglor: ok.. aptitude -f install
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17:28<hrvoje>icebrain: I know about cheese software but never used it ..
17:28<inglor>hrvoje: no luck again.
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17:29<hrvoje>inglor: can't help you, sorry.. am not using NVidia
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17:30<icebrain>hrvoje: thanks
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17:30<hrvoje>icebrain: np
17:31<inglor>hrvoje: no prob I will wait some days and try again.. lib32 on sid is a mess the last month..
17:31<hrvoje>inglor: ok wish you luck
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17:35<inglor>hrvoje: thanks ;)
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17:40<kardan_>hi, i wanted to mount an usb device and got multiple times in dmesg: Too big adjustment 32
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17:40<kardan_>which packet could that be connected to?
17:40<edbian>Is ldap the only implementation of server authentication login?
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17:42<kardan_>edbian 'man pam.conf'
17:42<edbian>kardan_: Thanks! :)
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17:47<kardan_>edbian nss is keyword too:
17:48<dpkg>methinks nis is the Network Information System. It can be used to distribute files across networks. It is commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also <NFS>. Network Information Service, or
17:48<edbian>How do I set up pam so that the GDM logs in based on users and passwords on a server? Do I need to configure the /etc/pam.d/gdm file?
17:48<edbian>well I don't want to use nis if it's insecure!
17:48<edbian>Plus I'm already using NFS
17:49<witte>edbian: nfs is insecure
17:49<edbian>What is the difference between nfs and nis then? Why did they replace nis with NFS ?
17:49<witte>and nis is ok in a trusted network (behind a good firewall), but of course there are better implementations
17:49<edbian>I am behind a firewall
17:50<witte>nfs is for file sharing
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17:50<witte>nis is for sharing login data (as far as I know)
17:50<paha29>hello does "#aptitude purge apt-get" work?
17:50<witte>both are a bit "old technology"
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17:51<dpkg>[nfs] Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>.
17:51<edbian>witte: What is the newest implementation of file sharing?
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17:52<witte>edbian: newest, i have no idea, but nfs version 4 should be better, and there are things like cifs or sshfs which are newer
17:52<kardan_>paha29 try it out :)
17:52<witte>edbian: I use nfs for filesharing myself
17:52<cdlu>why would you even spam about dalnet?
17:52<abraham>what key is meta2?
17:52<witte>edbian: I am just aware that it is ok for using it in my home network, behind a firewall, not accessible to the web
17:53<paha29>I would like to to do some little ruckus on #sidux with something like the above, maybe you could help me for finding a better annoyance?
17:53*paha29 no native english :(
17:54<edbian>Is there any advantage to using nfs over sshfs ? My file server is an ssh server already. I didn't even think about it but that is totally sufficient for file sharing as well isn't it.
17:54<cdlu>paha29, why are you asking for help with causing problems? did I miss some memo about it being Troll Appreciation Day?
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17:54<paha29>cdlu go back to church
17:54<kardan_>paha29 /join #sidux
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17:54<abraham>what are the meta keys?
17:55<kardan_>paha29 thats the best choice now :)
17:56<kardan_>ok, i cant get any usefull help on dmesg message: Too big adjustment 32
17:56<kardan_>who should i ask?
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17:56<DebiEA>abraham, Isn't the meta-keys the ones mac have and pc don't ?
17:56<DebiEA>... just a guess
17:57<kardan_>edbian you also should have a look at the nis chapter in the very good document 'securing debian':
17:58<abraham>i thought so
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17:58<edbian>kardan_: Thanks for the help. Server login authentication is extemely complicated or is it just me?
17:59<kardan_>edbian i didnt try it, but we are setting up a nis with a central mysql database behind a router. seems similar to your case
18:00<edbian>My router is also my firewall
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18:01<kardan_>seems to be a good concept :)
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18:22<deximat>can linux be ported on some really bad machine like mobile phone with 1 mb of ram or thing like that?
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18:24<bja>deximat: you can port it anywhere you like, the farther away of the beaten path the more work you will have to do
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18:25<deximat>bja beaten path, explain please
18:26<hrvoje_>anyone have idea what to do when dead keys don't work in gtk apps?
18:26<bja>deximat: beaten path== the actual place where linux developers works, i386 and so hw
18:27<bja>english expression
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18:33<deximat>bja ok, tnx
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18:42<gift>hola gente!!!
18:42<nr9nb9no9>evenin one & all :)
18:43<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:44<nr9nb9no9>i have some really screwed up permissions in lenny regarding bluetooth & kppp trying to establish a gprs/umts connection
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18:45<nr9nb9no9>kbluetooth wont run correctly unless i run it as sudo--and even when i run it like that and the cell modem connects--the apps like iceweasel wont work with it
18:46<nr9nb9no9>however--the same hardware works fine in kanotix here
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18:48<cybercat>Hello, I am running lenny as a web server and I have a ftp server installed and email server but I can not ftp to my server. Can someone help with this?
18:48<hrvoje_>I'm getting �� instead of € or � instead of ł in konsole and in gtk apps all AltGr combinations won't work
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18:49<deximat>has anyone worked on porting debian to mobile device?
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18:50<nr9nb9no9>i take it no one knows how to fix this mess with kppp and gprs?
18:50<supermiguel>whats the difference between sid and breeze?
18:51<DebiEA>testing and unstable..
18:51<supermiguel>testing would be like a 5.0.3? and unstable a 6.0?
18:51<cybercat>I guess no one can help me with a ftpserver issue on lenny then?
18:51<DebiEA>hm, kind of.
18:52<cybercat>not to be impaitent
18:52<supermiguel>DebiEA so the newest packages are in breeze?
18:52<themill>supermiguel: squeeze when released will be called 6.0. squeeze+1 will be called 7.0; sid will never be released.
18:52<DebiEA>unstable only recommended for programmers and not for everyday desktop-use
18:53<supermiguel>DebiEA how about sid?
18:53<supermiguel>themill umm then sid is a testing edition of squeeze?
18:54<DebiEA>supermiguel, testing.. if it's just some various packages you need from Sid you can just add the sid-repos to your deiban stable (lenny) ... not really recommended but it will probably work
18:54<dpkg>See for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases.
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19:00<cybercat>Can anyone at all help me with a problem with connecting with ftp to my webserver using lenny the ftp-SERVER is called proftpd
19:00<cybercat>it is terminating my ftp sessions as soon as I try to connect to the server.
19:00<dr|z3d>cybercat: Running a DE there? Gnome, whatever?
19:01<dr|z3d>Server firewalled?
19:01<cybercat>drjz3d: running Gnome, not sure if it is firewalled or not
19:01<dr|z3d>Well, why doncha take a look.
19:01<cybercat>how do I find out if the firewall is in place?
19:01<cybercat>I've worked with linux a lil
19:01<cybercat>but still fairly new to debian lenny
19:02<dr|z3d>Run firestarter or similar.
19:02<dr|z3d>Firewall UI.
19:02<dr|z3d>And, sure, nmap's a good tool.
19:02<dr|z3d>But from the sounds of things, it's likely port 21 is closed on the remote server, and your connection attempt is being actively rejected.
19:03<cybercat>i tried running firestarter
19:03<cybercat>said command not found
19:03<cybercat>tried nmap
19:03<cybercat>command not found
19:03<kardan_>Debian 7.0 will be codenamed 'breeze'. or was this a joke?
19:03<bja>iptables -S and if the output is longer than 3 lines you have a firewall running
19:03<dr|z3d>You have to install these things first.
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19:03<dr|z3d>aptitude install firestarter nmap
19:04<cybercat>nope 3 lines
19:04<cybercat>so I have no firewall running
19:04<dr|z3d>That's local, right?
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19:04<dr|z3d>And remote..
19:04<dr|z3d>Any access?
19:04<cybercat>I am on a windows machine
19:04<cybercat>so I do not know how to remotely try that from a windows machine
19:04<dr|z3d>use that and ssh into the remote server.. see if you can.
19:05<dr|z3d>Oh. You have to download and install it.
19:05*dr|z3d winks.
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19:07<cybercat>Server Unexpectedly closed connection
19:07<cybercat>and that's remote
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19:08<cybercat>drj|z3d: Server unexpectedly Closed Network Connection. So it refused it
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19:11<cybercat>so looks like I have to open port 21
19:11<cybercat>how do I do that?
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19:14<cybercat>I need to forward a port how do I setup lenny to forward port 21? when I remote in with putty it refuses port 21
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19:15<cybercat>or open the port I amen sorry.
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19:23<cybercat>I have determined that my machine is firewalled. How do I access the firewall and change the settings?
19:24<dr|z3d>Your server, not your client. Does it run Gnome, and do you have physical access? if so, repeat the steps above you applied to the client.
19:24<dr|z3d>Also, if you're getting rejected, make sure you have the ftp server
19:24<dr|z3d>.. up and running,,,
19:25<dr|z3d>Try gadmin-proftpd or similar.. ui for proftp.
19:25<dr|z3d>And, also, aptitude install openssh-server
19:26<dr|z3d>And also aptitude install tightvncserver
19:26<dr|z3d>Those two things combined should give you remote desktop access to the server, assuming it's running Gnome/whatever.
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19:31<cybercat>dr|z3d:That worked I know have remote acess thank you
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19:58<Jason1>how do I upgrade to debian-unstable?
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19:59<bremner>!tell Jason1 -about sid
19:59<themill>!sid upgrade
19:59<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead.
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20:01<Jason1>I can do testing then
20:01<abrotman>can you?
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20:02<Jason1>I dunno if it is possible since I use Debian Lenny stable
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20:02<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
20:02*themill does the "iyhtays" dance
20:02<mech>good eve what are the haps?
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20:03<Jason1>ah backports?
20:03<bja>Jason1: For what i see, for the time beeing you are better off using stable. You have a lot of reading to do before you even think about switching to testing
20:03<Jason1>ok then
20:03<bremner>but yeah, check out backports
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20:08<Jason1>W: GPG error: lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
20:08<Jason1>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
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20:10<Jason1>I followed the directions the link you provided
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20:12<abrotman>did you read toward the bottom of the page where it tells you about the key ?
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20:13<Jason1>it works
20:13<Jason1>ok now what?
20:14<bja>!lart Jason1
20:14*dpkg judo chops Jason1
20:14*Jason1 judo chops back
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20:15<Jason1>ok I got the backports installed
20:15<Jason1>now what steps I need to find?
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20:15<abrotman>Jason1: find what ?
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20:16<abrotman>yes .. which ones?
20:16<Jason1>I had the backport source list link installed and apt-get update'ed already
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20:16<Jason1>any packages
20:16<squelos>how can i force to install an experimental packages ? Im in testing, but i got the sources for experimental and sid. I want the new iceweasel
20:16<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
20:16<Jason1>possibly new package of pidgin or whatever
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20:19<marcelc>is there an issue with SDO?
20:19<Jason1>well how od I know there is sdome packages I can try out on backports
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20:19<marcelc> appears down
20:20<marcelc>anyone know anything about this?
20:20<ml|>squelos: aptitude install -t experimental iceweasel but only if you are using testing or unstable
20:20<bja>Jason1: take a look down at
20:21<squelos>im using testing
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20:21<ml|>squelos: and make sure you a /etc/apt/apt.conf with APT::Default-Release "testing";
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20:21<Jason1>bja you forgot
20:21<Jason1>you forget the s
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20:21<squelos>hum, i got a preference file with my preferences in it.
20:22<marcelc>I am having issues with not working. is this a known issue?
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20:22<squelos>i dont think so marcelc.
20:23<marcelc>when i try and update apt it fails to download the headers etfc
20:23<ml|>well, that's what i use to keep my system as testing
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20:26<witte>marcelc: can you upload your sources.list to a pastebin
20:26<witte>!tell marcelc about pastebin
20:26<squelos>ml| thanks
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20:28<squelos>btw, can i break my system making a full upgrade ?
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20:29<witte>squelos: sure
20:29<bremner>squelos: the definition of experimental is packages that might break your system
20:29<craigevil>squelos: going from testing to sid? exp isnta upgrade it only has a few packages
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20:29<witte>squelos: in testing it might, in unstable it is likely, in experimental it is normal
20:29<miguel>for a home computer, use 4 15k hd and a perc 5 worth it??
20:30<ml|>squelos: you'll be fine if using /etc/apt/apt.conf and installing iceweasel from testing, but yes you can
20:30<squelos>no i mean, going from a not up to date lenny to an up to date testing
20:31<abraham>squelos, what for?
20:31<miguel>loudergood, how about 3-4 7200 rpm using dm-raid?
20:31<squelos>im not talking about iceweasel. im talking generally speaky
20:31<squelos>just to be up to date :).
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20:31<loudergood>still more than you probably need, sounds like you have an extraordinary use in mine
20:31<abraham>squelos, stay with lenny till squeeze gets released
20:31<witte>squelos: update lenny first, and if you need testing, you can try it. It should work, but no promises (you might need some skill to do some stuff, might be very easy)
20:32<squelos>wait, so ill do a full-upgrade -t stable
20:32<squelos>is that correct ?
20:32<witte>squelos: that is never wrong
20:32<ml|>as long as lenny is up to date things should go fine, but you never know
20:33<ml|>yeah that's wrong
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20:33<miguel>loudergood, i just want it to be fast.. i use it for internet and school work..
20:33<squelos>im kinda scared of doing a full-upgrade.
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20:33<squelos>whats wrong ml ?
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20:33<miguel>loudergood, but i do have 4 hd.. and want to use them, on the fastest way...
20:33<ml|>squelos: are you on testing or stable you lost me
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20:33<loudergood>miguel: it does sound like a fun project
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20:34<miguel>loudergood, lol
20:34<squelos>im on testing
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20:34<squelos>can i not do an upgrade to stable first ?
20:34<loudergood>15k drives will be loud and hot
20:34<witte>squelos: why would you like to do a full-upgrade stable? you are making no sense at all
20:34<ml|>squelos: if you are on testing why?
20:35<dpkg>See for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases.
20:35<witte>squelos: stable would be a downgrade (in terms of software releases)
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20:35<abraham>my computer heats my room when its compiling or converting video
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20:35<squelos>because i got a recent GPU. And i like having the latest upgrades.
20:35<abraham>i couldnt imagine having a raid with a quad core
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20:36<ml|>squelos: that wold be unstable and not recommended or supported here
20:36<abraham>squelos just get a lenny and get the driver from the website
20:36<squelos>i used to be in unstable. but i need this compurter to work on it (not work work, work for school) so i came down to testing)
20:36<witte>squelos: testing should be good enough, do apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade
20:37<witte>(or aptitude)
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20:37<ml|>aptitude ftw :)
20:37<witte>afterwards, just configure your driver
20:37<squelos>i never had a single problem with sid (and i used it during a few months :)
20:38<loudergood>yes, if you know what you're doing it can be a fun ride :)
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20:38<witte>squelos: I use it as well (for about 5 years now), and I often have problems, sometimes big, sometimes small
20:38<squelos>loudergood, the problem is i dont know what im doing
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20:38<ml|>squelos: use stable
20:38<squelos>the only problems i had were minor, i managed to solve them myself
20:38<loudergood>and that's why you should stay with stable, or maybe testing if you can afford occasionaly problems
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20:39<miguel>sid=testing right?
20:39<ml|>backup data and reinstall lenny :)
20:39<squelos>loudergood => i can afford some occasional problems :)
20:39<abrotman>no ..
20:39<ml|>miguel: no
20:39<abrotman>he really should stick with stable .. you can break quite enough there :)
20:39<loudergood>lenny=stable, sid=unstable
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20:39<squelos>testing = squeeze
20:39<miguel>and testing in the midle?
20:39<ml|>dpkg: tell miguel about releases
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20:40<squelos>but then what do you call problems loudergood ?
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20:40<loudergood>HAL broke once so badly that I could do no keyboard or mouse input
20:41<abrotman>no i won't dave
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20:41<loudergood>that was a fun one
20:41<squelos>i can imagine that.
20:41<ml|>< squelos> loudergood, the problem is i dont know what im doing <---means use stable
20:41<ml|>abrotman: heh
20:41<witte>squelos: this week I had an error that I did not even get into grub. No way to boot the thing but using a rescue disk
20:41<loudergood>learn how debian works first
20:41<abrotman>there have been a few breaks that have been pretty bad .. of course "pretty bad" is subjective
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20:42<miguel>to install squeeze u just add the binary file to ur apt file?
20:42<squelos>well witte, if its just a question of coming back to an old config, i can do that using a rescue disk.
20:42<ml|>dpkg: tell miguel about lenny->squeeze
20:42<squelos>but finding problems etc ... is complicated for me because im not familiar with linux.
20:43<loudergood>then stay with lenny
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20:43<ml|>miguel: but only if you are ready to put up with the occasional problem and know what you are doing
20:44<miguel>its like having ubuntu :P
20:44<abrotman>not quite
20:44<ml|>miguel: there if you want newer versions of apps
20:44<witte>squelos: if you want to learn unstable, put it on an old computer that you don't need every day
20:45<abraham>and if you use unstable i would set apt to prefer the installed version
20:45<squelos>my upgrade wants to delete gnome.
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20:45<squelos>i need to close down X then ?
20:45<ml|>what upgrade?
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20:46<Tuxito>server 7000
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20:46<ml|>in testing?
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20:46<abrotman>squelos: it shouldn't want to delete gnome .. did you read the release notes ?
20:47<ml|>well, dunno since i don't use gnome gut ready what is telling you
20:47<abrotman>squelos: please don't run testing .. it's going to break and you're going to be unhappy
20:47<squelos>abrotman : no :/
20:47<ml|>s/gut ready/but read/
20:48<squelos>abrotman, im just after reinstalling lenny about 4 times in 3 days because of a problem with my gpu drivers because my GPU is not well supported
20:48<ml|>yes bakup data and reinstall lenny
20:48<abrotman>squelos: that's far easier to fix than whatever squeeze is going to do to you
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20:48<squelos>im still in lenny ml
20:48<abraham>squelos what gpu is this?
20:49<squelos>i found how to install it now.
20:49<ml|>20:34:07 < squelos> im on testing <--- are you sure??
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20:49<squelos>ive got the sources for testing
20:49<squelos>but i still didnt upgrade to testing
20:49<squelos>this debian is fresh from this afternoon
20:49<abraham>get the binary driver from the ati site and install it on your lenny i would also advise upgrading your kernel for many reasons
20:49<ml|>man why confuse people then
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20:50<squelos>abraham, thats what i did :) Except for the kernel part.
20:50<abraham>but do not upgrade your entire system to testing
20:50<abrotman>this is going to go poorly
20:50<squelos>2.6.26 kernel.
20:50<abrotman>abrotman: please don't tell him to upgrade his kernel
20:50<abrotman>erm .. abraham
20:50<abrotman>it's bad enough he's going to use fglrx from the ati site
20:50<ml|>squelos: use stable and use to try to fix your issue
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20:51<squelos>and btw abraham, 2.6.30 does not support the 4870x2
20:51<squelos>nor does the 2.6.28
20:51<abraham>abrotman, he has a new card. it is necessary
20:51<squelos>or wait, maybe does the 28 do.
20:51<ml|>dpkg: tell squelos about bpo
20:51<squelos>yeah the 28 does, not the 30
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20:51<abrotman>abraham: yes .. but how are you going to tell him to upgrade it?
20:52<abraham>30 i think has vulnerabilities
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20:52<ml|>it's being fixed
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20:52<abraham>i know a great howto at howto forge for building a kernel deb
20:52<squelos>PS : if i sound a bit idiot, its because im not english :)
20:53<abrotman>abraham: so .. you're complaining about kernel vulns .. but you're going to send him to build his own that will never get upgraded .. and who knows how insecure it will be
20:53<abraham> is fixed
20:53<abrotman>for the ones you know about
20:54<squelos>Well i would like to upgrade to 2.6.28. not 2.6.30, it doesnt work with the 4870X2, i was on the ATI chan
20:54<ml|>the debian kernel handbook is what you should read on compiling you own kernel
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20:54<abrotman>there is a .29 and a .30 at
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20:55<c1s47>como va
20:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:56<c1s47>muchos anos que no me andava por estos lados
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20:56<Freeren>hi there. I've got a problem with apt after last d-u (sidux)
20:56<abrotman>Freeren: go to #sidux please
20:56<dpkg>[sidux] a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on
20:56<abrotman>and i typed way more ...
20:57<Freeren>yer i know
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20:57<witte>!rule abrotman
20:57<Freeren>but there is nobody atm, i mean, nobody who could help me
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20:57<abrotman>Freeren: we do not support debian-based distros here, ask in #sidux and wait
20:57<witte>damn, I lost my dpkg skills :-)
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20:57<abrotman>!nopony witte
20:58<Freeren>abraham: what if its not a sidux specific error?
20:58<abrotman>Freeren: it's not Debian ..
20:58<ml|>abraham: just pointing out the debian docs to you, all that is needed really
20:58<abrotman>he's not running etch ?
20:59<witte>Freeren: a lot of the software is similar, but were it different is exactly in the packaging...
20:59<abraham>same thing
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20:59<Freeren>abraham: i do know that. but it's still an apt error which is in one of the debian forums too
20:59<ml|>not the same, but use what you like
20:59<abrotman>Freeren: please go to #sidux, we do not support debian-based distros
20:59<squelos>i must say #debian must be the most helpful chan
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21:00<abrotman>it doesn't make it the right place to ask non-debian questions
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21:01<abraham>mlj the directions were word for word
21:01<abraham>the same
21:02<ml|>well if that's true read the original
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21:02<abraham>better at howto forge because they copy the .config with a uname -r call
21:02<abraham>i read the original when you pasted it
21:02<abrotman>abraham: uhm .. make oldconfig works pretty simply
21:03<Freeren>abrotman: you wouldn't have noticed i m using sidux if i would have told you only the error. well anyway. gotta wait till tomorrow. thouht only the most people in #sidux are that ignorant. ty anyway
21:03<abrotman>then use debian
21:04<ml|>abraham: ok :)
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21:04<abraham>the only distro i think is more stable than debian is slackware
21:05<Freeren>thats the ridiculous thing in opensource software. "no my x is better than your y i won't help you" thats the true opensource thought
21:05<abraham>but i dont trust em in 64bit
21:05<abraham>debian64 rocks
21:05<abrotman>Freeren: look .. it's channel policy .. we do not support non-debian distros ..
21:05<abrotman>it's not up for discussion
21:05<ml|>!start a distro war
21:05<dpkg>Gentoo is responsible for global warming.
21:06<witte>Freeren: it has nothing to do with open source, don't complain, use google
21:06<Freeren>abraham: i know it's useless. experienced the same #sidux until people were kicked an banned
21:06<Freeren>i used google witte. but ty
21:06<abrotman>anyways .. sorry, but you'll have to wait in #sidux .. discussion over
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21:08<miguel>gentoo caused global warming lol
21:09<dpkg>i heard war is foo, or
21:09<Freeren>just, ridiculous
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21:09<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
21:10<southernc>ml| :)
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21:11<dpkg>I know you are, but what am I? Or, someone who tries to use a Ubuntu package on Debian and calls it a dpkg issue when the dependencies don't resolve.
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21:13<dondelelcaro>if you must play with the bot, use /msg
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21:13<squelos>what do you think of this to make your sources.list ?
21:13<squelos>simple to use is it not ?
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21:13<abrotman>squelos: what's wrong with the one you had ?
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21:14<squelos>i dunno really. Some people said its not good :/ do you want to see it ?
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21:15<bunicrin>I am using Debian GNU/Linux
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21:15<squelos>thanks for helping me out guys btw :)
21:15<witte>squelos: why do you have all of them?
21:15<abrotman>squelos: no, you cannot mix lenny and squeeze and sid and experimental .. your system will explode
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21:16<dioz>is leaving a root session in screen a bad idea?
21:16<Yonut27>I am trying to install apache from the Synaptic package manager, but I keep getting "Failed to fetch". how do I correct this?
21:16<squelos>ill go stable. Because i can always upgrade some packages to testing or sid with the -t option
21:16<abrotman>whoever gave those to you should be shot
21:16<abrotman>Yonut27: update first ?
21:16<squelos>abrotman : i got a preferences thingy. But i also thought it was weird
21:16<abrotman>judd: versions apache2-utils
21:16<judd>abrotman: apache2-utils -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch6 etch-security: 2.2.3-4+etch10 lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny2 lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny4 squeeze: 2.2.11-6 sid: 2.2.12-1
21:16<squelos>thats why i still didnt upgrade.
21:16<abrotman>squelos: it's a *really really really* bad idea
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21:16<bunicrin>good night all
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21:17<squelos>well abrotman, it seemed strange to me. Thats why i still didnt upgrade :D
21:17<Yonut27>abrotman: you mean click the 'mark all upgrades'?
21:17<abrotman>Yonut27: ask it to update ?
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21:17<abraham>Yonut27, yes click mark all upgrades
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21:18<abraham>hes using synaptic
21:18<abraham>it does a safe upgrade
21:18<Yonut27>abrotman: 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
21:18<abrotman>squelos: you should not be mixing all the versions of debian .. your box will end up very unhappy
21:18<abrotman>Yonut27: you should be able to at least update your sources
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21:19<squelos>ok, i got it. i got myself a good sources.list to start with now :)
21:19<abraham>Yonut27, probably a dns error or maybe a firewall issue
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21:20<Yonut27>abrotman: well the firewall isn't my problem as I am not running one right now. As for the dns, this has been happening for a while so I dunno.
21:20<dioz>The requested URL /pool/updates/main/a/apache2/apache2-utils_2.2.9-10+lenny3_i386.deb was not found on this server.
21:20<abrotman>squelos: no need to msg me .. you can paste the URL here
21:20<abrotman>dioz: because his sources are out of date
21:20<abraham>Yonut27, i dont know looks bad though
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21:20<witte>Yonut27: the version online is apache2-utils_2.2.9-10+lenny4_i386.deb, and not 2.2.9-10+lenny3_i386.deb
21:21<Yonut27>so this version of lenny I am running is shit?
21:21<abrotman>squelos: that's better ... mostly .. though for a beginner, i'd probably exclude most of the stuff below line 17
21:21<abrotman>Yonut27: no .. something is wrong with your network or that mirror
21:21<kimo>hi all
21:21<abrotman>this is why i told you to update your sources
21:21<Yonut27>anyway to change the mirror?
21:21<abrotman>Yonut27: can you open an xterm and su to root ?
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21:22<abraham>Yonut27, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
21:22<abrotman>Yonut27: once that's done .. `aptitude update && aptitude install apache2-utils`
21:22<squelos>well ill probs be using wine, and the lenny and a half seems to be good. It will probably save me from filling it in in the future
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21:23<abrotman>except lennynhalf doesn't exist .. and it's not pointing at the right thing anyways
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21:23<abrotman>Yonut27: any change?
21:24<squelos>abrotman : owned ?
21:24<abrotman>huh ?
21:24<squelos>by lenny n half
21:24<abrotman>not making sense
21:24<Yonut27>abrotman: I got a whole bunch of errors " Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
21:24<southernc>cd /home/backup
21:24<squelos>and close synaptic
21:24<abrotman>Yonut27: close synaptic
21:25<abrotman>sudo has nothing to do with it
21:25<Yonut27>it is doing something now....
21:25<squelos>didnt read the end :/
21:26<abrotman>Yonut27: is it complaining about missing sources ?
21:26<Yonut27>nope, not uyety
21:26<abrotman>jeez .. hyperactive keyboard
21:26<abrotman>squelos: really .. you can talk to me here
21:26<Yonut27>abrotman: everything is updated and installed, ty for your help
21:26<abrotman>Yonut27: have a good evening
21:26<Yonut27>I will now. :-)
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21:26<abrotman>it's amazing what makes people happy :)
21:27<squelos>im surely happy when people help me
21:27<squelos>is there an equivilent for wamp on linux ?
21:27<squelos>oh shit
21:27<squelos>im stupid.
21:27<abrotman>winamp ?
21:28<abrotman>or WMP ?
21:28<squelos>no wamp. but its lamp the equivilant
21:28<squelos>no, its ok, i got it.
21:28<dioz>what's a good vps hosting company?
21:29<dioz>does that break them down into best > worst ?
21:29<abrotman>no .. but it does list some that use debian
21:30<dioz>i'm thinking linode
21:30<squelos>abrotman, is there anything else i need to do after updating my sources.list ?
21:31<abrotman>squelos: that's up to you
21:31<squelos>someone said something about some file in /etc/apt
21:31<squelos>other than sources.list
21:31<abrotman>to do what?
21:31<squelos>/etc/apt/apt.conf i think
21:32<squelos>i dont know :/ for the update i think
21:32<abrotman>to do what?
21:32<squelos>to make sure it updates with the stable packages
21:32<abrotman>that's if you're mixing versions of debian .. which you shouldn't be doing anyways
21:32<squelos>and not testing or anything else. but it cant if i only have stable sources
21:33<squelos>so am i ready for a aptitude update then : aptitude upgrade ?
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21:34<abrotman>you'll find out
21:34<squelos>and do i need a preferences file ?
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21:34<abrotman>are you mixing ?
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21:38<squelos>could upgrading my sys downgrade my iceweasel ? its an experimental package
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21:39<vvas>no, packages will not be downgraded even if they come from experimental
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21:47<dioz>i don't understand your mixing thinger
21:47<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt []? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
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21:48<squelos>abrotman, i cant upgrade, because i had a preference file, and i emptied it ...
21:48<squelos>should i just put back what was in it ?
21:48<squelos>or can i delete it ?
21:49<abrotman>move the file to a different name
21:49<dioz>what is lenny main and lenny volatile ?
21:49<squelos>how do i move abrotman ? i cant remember :/
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21:49<squelos>cp is copy. but move ?
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21:50<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
21:50<ryanakca>I'm trying to install Debian, but the installer's boot gets stuck at "sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk". The MD5SUMs matched for the iso. What can I do?
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21:51<abrotman>which isntaller?
21:51<abrotman>does your SCSI controller have any options?
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21:52<ryanakca>abrotman: Both the standard and the graphical one. As for the options, I'm not sure.
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21:53<abrotman>i meant .. lenny? etch? unofficial?
21:54<ryanakca>abrotman: This week's debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso
21:54<abrotman>did you try the lenny one ?
21:54<abrotman>or a kmuto unofficial lenny installer
21:54<thirteen>I have debian installed as of this morning and it works. But I can't seem to get on any wifi networks.
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21:54<squelos>thanks abrotman
21:54<squelos>im going to bed
21:54<squelos>good night.
21:54<squelos>everything is working fine now :)
21:54<gecko_>anyone know a good perl channel?
21:54<abrotman>gecko_: #perl on freenode
21:55<abrotman>thirteen: does your device require firmware ?
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21:55<thirteen>It looks like the ssb drivers are loaded. So at this point I am stuck. I am a bit of a n00blet to debian.
21:55<ryanakca>abrotman: No, I can once I find myself a blank CD though...
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21:55<abrotman>ryanakca: might want to look for a CDRW if you have any
21:55<thirteen>abrotman: the device works fine in windows vista 64bit home premium
21:55-!-phrosty [~phrosty@2001:470:d:30b:489d:8b0d:e933:f30a] has joined #debian
21:55<ryanakca>abrotman: hehe, yes, they seem to magically disappear in this house.
21:55<abrotman>are you sure it's an 'ssb' device ?
21:55<abrotman>ryanakca: i blame the cat
21:56<thirteen>abrotman: not that I am saying because it works in widows gives it any credit. :P
21:56<abrotman>thirteen: lspci -nn .. what is the pciid ?
21:56<ryanakca>abrotman: Anyways, thanks, I'll download another CD image at work tomorrow and try again :)
21:57<abrotman>ryanakca: do you know what kmuto is ?
21:57<thirteen>Only sure because I did a 'lspci -n'
21:57<thirteen>pasted that info in
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21:57<abrotman>thirteen: lspci -nn will show the device and the pciid
21:57<ryanakca>abrotman: nope, but google does
21:57<thirteen>I have that list saved in txt
21:57<abrotman>ryanakca: /msg dpkg kmuto
21:57<thirteen>lspci-n > file.txt
21:58<abrotman>thirteen: but .. that website doesn't use the lenny kernel .. that's why i'm asking for the pciid
21:58<thirteen>ooh -nn <--- didnt' see the second n
21:58<thirteen>just a sec
21:58<ryanakca>abrotman: thanks
21:59*abrotman wonders if snmp messed up one of his boxes ...
21:59<abrotman>it'd be ironic
21:59<bremner>!lart snmp
21:59*dpkg rm -rf's snmp
21:59<thirteen>abrotman: last line==03:00.0 Network controlloer [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n [1434:4328] (rev 03)
21:59<abrotman>judd: pciid 1434:4328
21:59<judd>abrotman: [1434:4328] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
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22:02<abrotman>thirteen: that's a bad thing
22:02<thirteen>how so?
22:02<bremner>maybe broadcom-sta supports it?
22:02<abrotman>thirteen: it says nothing knows what it is
22:02<bremner>judd: versions broadcom-sta-source
22:02<judd>bremner: broadcom-sta-source -- sid/non-free: squeeze/non-free:
22:03<thirteen>How does "03:00.0 Network controlloer [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n [1434:4328] (rev 03)" nothing knows what it is
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22:03<abraham>it reports itself
22:03<abrotman>thirteen: lspci -k .. it will show even more info
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22:04<thirteen>added Kernel driver in use: b43-pci-bridge Kernel modules: ssb
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22:06<abrotman>thirteen: which kernel are you using ?
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22:06<southernc>anybody know if its possible to create a raid 0 with raid 5 striping in the debian installer ?
22:06<thirteen>popcorn :P seriously I downloaded debian 5.0.2 netinstall lastnight
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22:08<abrotman>my kernel claims to know nothing about that device ... wtf
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22:13<thirteen>so I nkow this can be done, it just has to be.
22:13<thirteen>but alas I need to go home where I have a wired connection so I can get this thing online.
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22:14<thirteen>typing in one screen on a separate computer at work and having to manually move stuff via nike network or retype stuff is not going to make me a happy camper. :)
22:14<thirteen>I think I'll hibernate this sucker and go home.
22:14<thirteen>I'll be back in a few hours
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22:16<bremner>thirteen: aparently the broadcom-sta driver supports your card
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22:17<bremner>which is non free, but better than ndiswrapper.
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22:19<thirteen>just saw something that means I'll be here a while longer
22:19<abrotman>free beer?
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22:22<thirteen>abrotman: hah, no
22:22<thirteen>abrotman: work :(
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22:23<abrotman>thirteen: so .. if what bremner says is true .. aptitude install module-assistant .. and then m-a a-i broadcom-sta
22:23<bike_>whats so bad about the ndiswrapper anyway?
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22:23<abrotman>bike_: it's a dirty hack? :)
22:23<bike_>but it works ^^
22:23<abrotman>it adds a level of complexity ..
22:24<bike_>and it would be the last option
22:24<abrotman>of course ... it'd be better if all hardware had an OSS driver that exploited all the features of the device
22:24<bike_>or the first option to get online and then to fix native
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22:32<binarystar>does anyone know "one server, one ip, a lot domains i want each mrtg graph per domain"
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22:33<abrotman>binarystar: i asked you a question on freenode
22:35<binarystar>abrotman, what's mean freenode
22:35<abrotman>the other channel on the other network where you just asked the exact same vague question
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22:36<binarystar>abrotman, alight
22:36<binarystar>abrotman, :'(
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22:36<abrotman>i'm not sure mrtg can distinguish between different domains that go to the same IP
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22:36<abrotman>you want to graph all traffic per domain? regardless of protocol used?
22:37<binarystar>i want each mrtg graph per domain
22:38<dioz>a whole lot more information is needed about your setup to answer that question
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22:39<binarystar>i run vanish(reverse)
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22:40<dioz>is each domain pointed at a specific ip address?
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22:40<binarystar>backend 4 domains
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22:40<dioz>you could just --ifref=eth .... by ethernet number
22:40<dioz>or you could do it by ip address
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22:41<dioz>almost sounds like you need to read the manuals tho
22:41<binarystar>--ifdesc=ip what is it?
22:42<dioz>do you even know how mrtg works?
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22:42<dioz>there's a cfgmaker
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22:43<dioz>make different configs for each site (ip?)
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22:44<dioz>i usually go something like
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22:45<binarystar>dioz, hm... i have varnish IP and i can use vanish servser cuz 114.200.100.X
22:46<binarystar>dioz, 4 domains is other ip class 220.100.100.X
22:46<binarystar>dioz, cuz impossible
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22:46<binarystar>vanish server is revers proxy , redirect 4 domains
22:47<binarystar>i want each mrtg per domains from wanish server
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22:53<dioz>i am high
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22:53<dioz>hablos espanols ?
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23:01<southernc>ml| you around ?
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23:07<chitchat>Hello! Can anybody out there please help me with setting up bluetooth? Mine used to work, then partially broke and I think it was a normal update that did it.
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23:55<edbian>I have some jerk trying to log into my machine via ssh. What can I do about it? The attempts are so frequent it recently froze my server.
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23:59<chitchat>dioz: Thanks.
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