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00:03<chitchat>dioz: If I'm having a problem that the link you referred me to doesn't solve, what's the best next step?
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00:33<bike_>how can i change a nautilus default, it wants to open text docs etc. in wines notepad
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01:01<Hideo>is the bts down for everyone else?
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01:10<ml|> <--- might help
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01:15<ml|>jm_: got that memtest86+ sorted it out :)
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01:16<jm_>ml|: what was it?
01:16<ml|>thanks to vvas and doing some more reading in bts
01:18<ml|>jm_: it needs to be linux16 (hd0,1)/memtest86+.bin
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01:19<ml|>jm_: but then vvas wrote a patch to include the fixes read more here ...
01:21<ml|>so doing and update-grub2 will write a /boot/grub/grub.cfg the write way everytime
01:22<jm_>ml|: ok that explains why it works fine for me
01:22<ml|>s/write way/wright way/
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01:23<ml|>ok, just leeting you know thanks for your help
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01:24<jm_>yeah the version in lenny is so much older it shouldn't be used as a reference like with grub legacy
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01:28<ml|>when i get email from bts i will include my 20_memtest86+ that works and the grub.cfg that it writes now
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01:29<jm_>while at it why not also patch update-grub to make a backup? :)
01:31<ml|>good question
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01:33<jm_>maybe newer versions already do, should check that first
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01:34<ml|>by looking at bts seems not
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01:35<ml|>judd: versions grub-pc
01:35<judd>ml|: grub-pc -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16 sid: 1.96+20090725-1 squeeze: 1.96+20090725-1
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01:59<binarystar>does anyone know? "i have a one server. can i monitor each mrtg per domins"?
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02:02<dpkg>epic test fail
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02:24<Ethaniel>Hi everyone.
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02:26<Ethaniel>I need an opinion, more than help. What do you think?:
02:27<Ethaniel>1) Should I install Lenny and stay with it?
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02:27<Ethaniel>2) Should I try testing to be a bit more on the bleeding edge?
02:27<Ethaniel>3) Or should I install Lenny and use testing reps after it is installed?
02:29<cahoot>1 until you've learned how debian and its versions 'works'
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02:30<Ethaniel>Yeah, I thought so. Had a few problems with testing builds, but Lenny always came to the rescue.
02:31<Ethaniel>But, having a newer version of "almost" everything is tempting...
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02:32<py1hon>just depends on whether you're ok with dealing with the occasional problem
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02:34<Ethaniel>I have an iso of Lenny netinst here, so, lenny it will be.
02:34<Ethaniel>Thanks cahoot, py1hon.
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03:35<Arkade>hey guys, how come apt-setup isn't in lenny anymore?
03:35<dpkg>apt-setup was a means of adding a Debian mirror to your APT sources. No longer available since <base-config> was removed ( <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> can be used instead. To install Debian packages located on CD, ask me about <apt-cdrom>.
03:36<Arkade>ah thanks
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04:42<raviepic3>help | this is a fresh installation of linux ,i am not able to ssh into a machine which others can do
04:42<raviepic3> i did a ssh
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04:42<raviepic3>[14:11] <raviepic3> i am able to login in
04:43<raviepic3>[14:11] <raviepic3> but when i try remote system it says No route to host error
04:43<raviepic3>[14:12] <raviepic3> how can i proceed
04:43<raviepic3>any help ?
04:43<raviepic3>important please
04:44<jm_>which linux is this?
04:45<jm_>and are you sure it's
04:45<weasel>I'm pretty sure it's not/
04:45<raviepic3>weasel: sorry localhost
04:45<raviepic3>Jids: sidux
04:45<weasel>raviepic3: then you are wrong here.
04:45<dpkg>it has been said that sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on
04:45<weasel>(you probably don't have a lo device up and configured correctly tho)
04:46<raviepic3>weasel: lo device ?
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05:21<manuel>broser widget does not show folder icons, what should I do to show them (linux)?
05:21<manuel>\join #FLTK
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05:22<snogglethorpe>windows' pernicious influence...
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05:45<EmleyMoor>Is it possible to change the presented user agent name on a per tab basis in Iceweasel?
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05:52<powerdruck>i try to install a firewall...
05:52<powerdruck>but it seems like i have a problem to be online with 2 interfeces in 2 different networks...
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05:53<powerdruck>or like the 2 interfeces dont like work in the same time
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05:59<petemc>powerdruck: do both networks have gateways?
05:59<powerdruck>one is the internet and one our network with a router
06:00<petemc> so, yes?
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06:19<twb>Where do the hildon types hang out?
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06:19<twb>The debian/hildon ones, I mean
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06:20<petemc>expn hildon
06:20<berto>twb: what are you looking for ? the debian hildon maintainer ?
06:21<twb>berto: no, more like #debian-hildon
06:21<twb>Or #debian-embedded-gui-weenies or whatever, if there's a more general context
06:21<berto>i don't think there's such channel, but in case I can help, I'm one of the upstream hildon developers
06:22<twb>Mainly I was looking at abiword's ./configure help and seeing it had hildon as an option.
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06:22<twb>And wondering if that would be lighter than NOT using hildon
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06:23<berto>abiword has hildon support ?
06:23<twb>See, I mostly work on the tty, but occasionally I will "xinit /usr/bin/app", and it's mildly annoying to have 300MB of junk like gvfs
06:23<twb>berto: apparently
06:23<twb>--enable-embedded=generic|hildonpoky Include embedded features
06:23<twb>NFI what poky is
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06:24<berto>i imagine it's using hildon menus
06:25<twb>Hmm, "xinit /usr/bin/start-hildon" just gave me a white rectangle in the bottom-left of the screen.
06:25<berto>it shouldn't make much difference
06:25<twb>Ah, running it without X results in:
06:25<berto>i don't know what start-hildon is :?
06:25<twb> /usr/bin/start-hildon: 17: /usr/lib/sapwood/sapwood-server: not found
06:25<twb> /usr/bin/start-hildon: 26: /usr/bin/matchbox-window-manager: not found
06:25<berto>ah I see
06:25<twb>berto: it's provided by this "hildon-desktop" package
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06:26<jm_>it says it's based on gnome, are you sure you will get rid of gvfs junk? :)
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06:27<torrentow>hello i have a problem how to add to sudoers file
06:27<berto>(about poky ->
06:27<berto>there's no gvfs code in libhildon
06:27<berto>but there might be in libhildonfm or others
06:28<powerdruck>how i find brctl or how i install this?
06:28<twb>jm_: see, this is why I'm puzzled
06:29<twb>jm_: even *gnome* bills itself as being "lightweight", so how the hell am I supposed to find something that's *actually* lightweight
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06:30<berto>hildon is just a set of widgets on top of gtk designed for small screens
06:30<berto>but they're completely normal gtk widgets
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06:30<twb>berto: like what? I mean, how can you make a button or tabbar work better?
06:31<berto>like a scrolledwindow-like widget that you move using your finger
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06:34<berto>what I mean is that we don't provide e.g. a new button that uses less memory than the standard gtkbutton
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06:35<twb>I guess a large part of my confusion is that the package descriptions don't say that.
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06:35<berto>if gtk is not lightweight enough for you, hildon won't solve that
06:35<berto>you probably need something like fltk
06:35<twb>hildon-desktop, for example, calls itself "is a desktop environment for embedded devices, based on the GNOME platform"
06:36<berto>(which I assume is lighter, I haven't tested it to be honest)
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06:36<berto>yes, that's what hildon-desktop is
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06:36<twb>But you just said it's for small screens, which isn't the same as embedded devices
06:37<snogglethorpe>(in my mind embedded device = like 80 bytes of ram)
06:37<berto>it was designed for the next nokia tablet, which I don't know if it counts as a small screen or embedded device, or both
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06:38<snogglethorpe>the processor in your pencil sharpener
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06:38<twb>I'd consider 640x480 to be a small screen, but not 1024x768
06:38<aliutkus>hi there
06:39<twb>As for embedded, I would expect it to be like 128MB each of non-volatile storage and RAM, or much less
06:40<twb>I mean, I wouldn't consider an Atom system to be embedded
06:40<berto>well, all I can say is what hildon-desktop was created for, if you feel the package description is wrong better talk to the maintainer :)
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06:40<twb>Though I guess the Nokia thing is ARM
06:40<berto>yes it is
06:41<berto>the n810 has 128MB of RAM, the next one will probably have more
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07:09<joel>hi.. one question i have one server in etch and want to upgrade it to lenny, i edited the sources.list file, and then aptitude update. After that, i wrote aptitude upgrade (don't know if this would be better than dist-upgrade) and it tells me that there are some packages that are going to be kept back... is it normal?
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07:09<jm_>joel: yes
07:10<joel>jm_: Should i use aptitude upgrade instead aptitude dist-upgrade?.
07:11<jm_>joel: I think they recommend upgrade, but dist-upgrade is more likely to try to do something about those packages
07:11<locklace>dpkg: etch->lenny
07:11<dpkg>Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>.
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07:15<squelos>hi, i get theses errors after installing fglrx drivers ...
07:15<squelos>and scrolling down is very slow
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07:18<joel>locklace, when i do that, it says me that some packages has unmet dependencies... so i think it will broke my system
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07:23<jm_>squelos: for 2D?
07:24<squelos>i installed the fglrx drivers just as said by ati
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07:24<squelos>but when i look up on google, they seem to compile it themselves
07:24<squelos>apparently something is wrong with DRI
07:24<dpkg>dri is, like, Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see or #dri, or read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok
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07:26<squelos>jm_ any idea ?
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07:30<joel>then can't i upgrade?
07:31<jm_>squelos: not really, I was thinking you meant 3D
07:31<locklace>joel: sounds like you didn't read the release notes and follow the upgrade instructions
07:32<joel>locklace, seems like you did not read what i just wrote.
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07:34<locklace>joel: ok, let's try this. before attempting to upgrade from etch to lenny, did you read the lenny release notes and follow step-by-step the upgrade instructions they contain?
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07:35<joel>locklace, er.. _yes_ i did. when i try aptitude install aptitude (it says it is going to upgrade some packages BUT there are a few that it says are going to be kept back, including aptitude itself!)
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07:36<locklace>joel: can you paste your sources.list and the output of the "aptitude install aptitude" to
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07:39<twb>joel: I've seen that before
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07:39<twb>joel: just manually resolve the conflict differently, by upgrading a handful of other things (mainly dpkg and apt, IIRC).
07:40<joel>twb: how?
07:40<twb>Use aptitude's GUI
07:40<squelos>synaptic that is
07:40<twb>squelos: er, no.
07:40<joel>twb, er.. it's a server, it does not have a gui.
07:40<locklace>joel: you didn't include your sources.list
07:40<twb>If you run aptitude without arguments, it starts the GUI
07:41<squelos>oh, i didnt even know :D
07:41<joel>locklace, sorry, this is my sources.list:
07:42<locklace>joel: assuming sources.list is sane, letting aptitude proceed by choosing that first conflict resolution option seems reasonable
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07:42<joel>locklace, what i am afraid is that it breaks my system.
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07:43<twb>joel: I assume you've read the upgrade documentation?
07:43<joel>as you see, it says that apt-utils libc6 libc6-i686 locales are broken.
07:43<twb>joel: it means the dependency is broken
07:43<joel>twb, yes, i have be using debian several time, and have always upgrade using aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade without problem, but now it says me that
07:43<twb>joel: i.e. there is a conflict to resolve
07:44<twb>joel: no, I mean have you read the SPECIFIC documentation regarding upgrading from Etch to Lenny.
07:44<twb>dpkg: tell joel -about etch->lenny
07:45<locklace>i still think he did something other than follow the release notes instructions first, and is now in this situation as a result
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07:45<twb>locklace: hm.
07:45<joel>locklace, no i didn't. i just followed what you told me.
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07:45<locklace>joel: but the conflict resolution takes care of that. the only somewhat risky thing i see there is the libc-i686 update
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07:45<twb>I have seen the same symptoms, but I certainly didn't follow the docs ;-)
07:46<twb>locklace: part of the issue is that conflict resolution in etch's aptitude is crap, so I always upgraded aptitude and minimum dependencies first, then let it resolve everything else.
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07:46<locklace>that's what the instructions tell you to do
07:46<twb>FSVO "is crap" = doesn't provide a list of various alternatives, or something. I forget exactly.
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07:47<joel>if i say: aptitude upgrade aptitude it says me that apt, apt-utils, and aptitude among others are going to be kept back, so... :S
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07:48<locklace>joel: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" return
07:48<locklace>joel: it does not say that. it says those packages will be upgraded
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07:51<locklace>joel: the next thing i'd look at is some of the other conflict resolution options aptitude suggests. you can run it with -s to simulate without doing anything. it would help if you can paste those other options
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07:52<louis1211>I have some problems with my wifi connection
07:53<joel>locklace, hmm.. aptitude -s upgrade aptitude?
07:53<louis1211>The bitrate is not as high as possible
07:53<locklace>joel: aptitude -s install aptitude
07:53<louis1211>I don't know where is the problem
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07:54<joel>locklace, sure it won't touch anything?
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07:54<locklace>joel: read the man page if you don't believe me
07:54<louis1211>for example, I have another linux an it works better the bitrate is 54Mb/s
07:54<louis1211>but it isn't the same wifi card
07:55<louis1211>can someone help me?
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07:55<joel>locklace, it says: Would download/install/remove packages.
07:55<locklace>that's only if you told it to go ahead with some particular option
07:56<joel>locklace: it told it to go ahead, wasn't that what you wanted to know?
07:57<locklace>no, i wanted you to say no to the first conflict resolution suggestion so it would show you others
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07:59<locklace>so just keep going through the options and see if there're any that look better, i.e. don't require upgrading libc6-i686
07:59<locklace>although i have a feeling the first option is going to be the best available one
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08:00<joel>locklace: but that one will upgrade lib6-i686
08:01<locklace>yes. probably it will be fine
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08:05<bjorne_sweden>how I make a xorg.conf in debian, in slackware xf86config :/(
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08:06<jm_>bjorne_sweden: by hand if you need it
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08:06<locklace>actually, the option looks borked. libc6-i686 should depend on the libc6 of the same version
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08:07<bjorne>jm_ only the way to make xorg.conf are to edit with editor? that SUX hard....
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08:07<jm_>bjorne: not really
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08:07<bike__>the nvidia-config utility can do it
08:07<bike__>amongst others
08:08<jm_>x server no longer needs it to start
08:08<bjorne>i have ATI :/
08:08<bike__>then use the ati utility?
08:08<bike__>if there is one?
08:08<bjorne>aticonfig :)
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08:10<bjorne>copy my slackware xorg.conf to debian only the hard way... :/
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08:10<coolpet>hi all
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08:14<ilgiz>ай нид хелп :)
08:15<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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08:16<squelos>i was wondering. is there any way of making a sys save on linux ? If yes, how ?
08:19<petemc>a sys save?
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08:22<coolpet>hi means maybe system restore :)
08:22<coolpet>i come back after vidia driver install brb
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08:24<squelos>yes a sys restore
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08:52<coolpet>hi all
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08:52<coolpet>i need some help with installint NVIDIA Driver runpakcage
08:53<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
08:53<coolpet>i installed make, gcc, binutils,
08:53<coolpet>ok i watch for it
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09:12<coolpet>hmm not so easy, what i thinked, but i will make it :)
09:12<coolpet>now quit
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10:05<Jason1>How do I verfity the kernel is fine, I keep having the kernel failure
10:07<bike__>what error
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10:08<Jason1>just kernel failure
10:08<bike__>which kernel
10:08<Jason1>it wanted to post the error report to the linux developers, so I did
10:08<Jason1>lenny stable
10:09<bike__>on what hw?
10:09<Jason1>good question
10:09<Jason1>I assumed it is my camera
10:09<bike__>lenny stable should be fairly recent anyway tho
10:09<bike__>not like its 2.4
10:09<Jason1>it is recent updated kernel. It is stable
10:09<bike__>what kernel are you booting now?
10:10<Jason1>hold on
10:10<Jason1>I try to remember the command for kernel version...
10:10<ladoga|banaani>hello all. i get a dialog about error with starting gnome-settings-manager. It happens after every reboot, but not if i log out back in to X
10:10<bike__>uname -r
10:11<bike__>or was it a
10:11<bike__>should be recent enough that yes
10:11<bike__>and the failing one?
10:11<bike__>the one that comes with lenny?
10:11<Jason1>I dunno
10:11<ladoga|banaani>my keyboard produces just gibberish unless I go to keyboard preferences and reload the layout
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10:11<ladoga|banaani>here's the screenie
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10:12<ladoga|banaani>the error message itself isn't too helpful so i'm looking for clues how to start troubleshooting
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10:14<ladoga|banaani>actually it's so vague it reminds me of error dialogs in certain MS product :)
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10:14<Jason1>maybe you had the theme on.
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10:17<bike__>hrm, im trying to figure out if theres any /proc i can cat to find the chipset info
10:17<bike__>its probably a problem there Jason1
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10:18<Jason1>cat /proc?
10:18<bike__>but if your running 686 i assume its not a state of the art 64bit something?
10:18<Jason1>no I don't have anything into 64bit
10:18<bike__>yah, lots of useful info is in there
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10:18<bike__>then it should have worked
10:18<bike__>must be a broken module or somethig
10:19<bike__>but then again it is stable
10:20<Jason1>mayube I can just safely ignore it
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10:23<Jason1>can I reinstall it?
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10:28<Jason1>will it will work?
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10:36<xeon-enouf>will it to work?
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10:40<Jason1>well will reinstalling the correct version will make the kernel issues go away?
10:41<Zathraz>Hi. In the process of aptitude full-upgrade (etch->lenny) I stumbled across the package latex-cjk-chinese which I do not use. It wants to deinstall. Yet it cannot do so. When I try to manually do so with dpkg --purge --force-all it still does not work. I think it is because latex rebuilds fonts. In a logfile there are complains about 5yr old fontdef files. How do I get rid of this unneeded package which blocks further upgrading?
10:41<xeon-enouf>Jason1: i justjoined
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10:42<xeon-enouf>and /lastlog Jason1 isn't showing me (i'm not logging ;-0)
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10:43<edbian>I am trying to write an iptables rule for my ssh server. I want it to drop packets if they the destination makes 4 attempts in 3 minutes. Is this correct? -A INPUT --dport 22 -m recent --update --seconds 180 --hitcount 4 -j DROP
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10:44<olet>first of all it would be the source not destination
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10:44<Jason1>aha thought so.
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10:44<edbian>olet: oops, that's a typo! Thank you
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10:45<edbian>olet: Wait, I don't understand? My ssh server listens for connections on port 22. How does the source port matter?
10:46<olet>other than that i'm not the one to ask about iptables rules
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10:47<olet>no i mean that you want to block the source from making more connections if it tries to connect 4 times
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10:47<olet>the source port is irrelevant
10:48<edbian>olet: Are you saying I'm on the wrong chain?
10:49<olet>i only wanted to correct your wording
10:49<olet>nothing more
10:49<edbian>ooo! :) Thanks
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10:49<stew>edbian: if you are going to use --dport you need a -p tcp
10:50<edbian>I am trying to write an iptables rule for my ssh server. I want it to drop packets if some source makes 4 attempts in 3 minutes. Is this correct? -A INPUT --dport 22 -m recent --name attacker --update --seconds 180 --hitcount 4 -j DROP
10:50<edbian>stew: Like this? -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -m recent --name attacker --update --seconds 180 --hitcount 4 -j DROP
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10:52<xeon-enouf>edbian: i believe has a nice article
10:52<edbian>xeon-enouf: I'm looking some of those up right now.
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10:52<bja>edbian: first you need to writedown the ip where things are comming from
10:53<bja>after that you use that line
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10:53<edbian>Yeah. I found a tutorial that I think I'm going to try that suggests that method.
10:53<edbian>example 2
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10:54<bja>that is the homepage of the module you are using
10:55<xeon-enouf>i have it bookmarked but i can't ssh into my other pc to retrieve them and i''m using two separate keyboards totype this, since they are both broke a bit, new one soon.. but it'll be like my 5th this year
10:55<edbian>Why are you breaking so many keyboards? Are you an ogre? With ogre fingers?
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10:56<edbian>Does anybody have the page I linked up? Why is he using the FORWARD chain? Shouldn't this all be on the INPUT chain?
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10:58<bja>xeon-enouf: at_least_use_the_underscore,_it's_less_anoying
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10:59<xeon-enouf>bje good one
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11:01<edbian>-A FORWARD -m recent --update --seconds 60 -j DROP RULE2 -> -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 22 -m recent --name attacker --seconds 180 --hitcount 4 --set -j DROP
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11:01<edbian>How does that look to everybody?
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11:02<bja>you allways deny the acces to your port
11:02<bja>at least once you have to let it through
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11:02<bja>as a mater of fact you have to let them in 4 times
11:03<edbian>that's what I was afraid of
11:03<edbian>How can I fix it?
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11:03<Jason1>then do it 1 times
11:03<edbian>some sort of ESTABLESHED/RELATED line?
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11:11<edbian>Do I need to specify my interface?
11:11<bja>Better safe than sorry
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11:12<bja>your interface can be eth0 or whatever you have connected to the internet
11:12<edbian>I only have the 1 (eth0) which is why I asked
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11:12<edbian>can I used --update instead of --rcheck?
11:13<edbian>bja: Thank you sooo much for your help!
11:13<bja>edbian: np
11:13<edbian>BTW why is it on the forward chain and not the input chain?
11:13<edbian>I don't forward any connections anywhere
11:13<bja>because you chose to post on the forward chain
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11:13<bja>then use the INPUT chain
11:14<edbian>that's what I figured. Just wanted to make sure!
11:14<edbian>Thanks again for all of your help!
11:14<edbian>These stupid ssh bots are sooo annoying. They clog up the servers network card so badly it won't respond to a ping!
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11:17<joeh>I have Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g wireless on my machine, after installing lenny updates its not working
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11:17<joeh>can this be fixed ?
11:18<joeh>it was working on lenny before i installed the updates
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11:19<edbian>bja: Suppose I accidentally get myself blocked because I fail to type my password correctly too many times. Does this rule ever remove ip's from the list?
11:19<edbian>Or will I have to wait until I get home to fix the problem?
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11:20<gregorio1982>ciao ubuntu italian pls??
11:21<edbian>type my password *incorrectly too many...
11:21<edbian>scratch that ^ lol
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11:22<joeh>can i get the wifi working again ?
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11:23<bja>edbian: time expires
11:23<edbian>bja: O ic! That's how recent works.
11:23<edbian>Thanks again guys!
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11:25<gsimmons>joeh: Which driver are you using for support of your device?
11:26<joeh>gsimmons: i had downloaded the drivers from
11:26<joeh>and followed instructions at, and everything was working fine
11:26<joeh>then i installed the updates, and then my wifi broke
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11:27<abraham>joeh, follow the instructions at again and everything should work
11:27<abraham>you probably got a new kernel
11:28<joeh>abraham: ok, ill try that
11:28<abraham>or boot into the old kernel and it should work
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11:29<joeh>abraham: hot to boot into the previous kernel ?
11:29<joeh>i initially had 2.6.26-1-686
11:29<joeh>and after updates its 2.6.26-2-686
11:29<abraham>when grub shows up scroll down to select it
11:29<joeh>abraham: ok
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11:33<joeh>abraham: thank u..that worked :)
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11:50<hugodidier>Hola amigos buen día, hablan español?
11:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:50<hugodidier>tanks :-$
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11:52<znh>Hello :-)
11:53<znh>I'm trying to get my Audigy 2 working at this Debian Lenny installation on amd64. Alsaconf sees the card and so does lspci. But once the driver is loaded, alsamixer can't find it
11:53<znh>I googled around, but couldn't find anything so far. Any idea's?
11:54<xeon-enouf>!alsa checklist
11:54<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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11:55<znh>how do I unload the OSS modules?
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11:55<xeon-enouf>dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base znh
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11:56<znh>alsamixer can't find it. so i'm stuck at step 2
11:56<znh>tried the alsa/oss selection, but didnt help
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11:57<xeon-enouf>znh: did you allow writing to /etc/modprobe.d/ when doing alsacomf
11:57<xeon-enouf>you don't need alsamixer for audio
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11:58<znh>in order to raise the levels and thus hear the audio, yes I do need it
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11:58<xeon-enouf>< znh> alsamixer can't find it <-- i have no idea what that means
11:58<xeon-enouf>no you don't
11:59<xeon-enouf>do you really think alsamixer is the ONLY way to control audio levels?
11:59<znh># alsamixer
11:59<znh>alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
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11:59<znh>obviously it's not, but gnome's applet fails either
12:00<xeon-enouf>gnome? ewww system>>sound>> or something
12:00<dpkg>rumour has it, gnome is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get GNOME, ask me about <install gnome>. See also <gnome status>. http:/ #gnome-debian on
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12:41<icarus>hi i was thinking about swithing from ubuntu to debian is this a bad idea?
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12:42<squelos>its a good idea.
12:42<squelos>ubuntu is a debian basically.
12:42<icarus>what would be the benfits?
12:42<cahoot>icarus: why?
12:42<squelos>but ubuntu is a bit slower and more user friendly.
12:43<manuel>do you know if FLTK is maintained?
12:43<icarus>ubuntu sucks
12:43<squelos>icarus : i tried ubuntu, suse
12:43<squelos>and debian.
12:43<squelos>and here i am :)
12:43<squelos>what sucks with ubuntu ?
12:43<icarus>nothing ever fucking works
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12:44<llutz>which usually is a layer-8 problem
12:44<dondelelcaro>manuel: it should be
12:44<icarus>should i just study more?
12:45<dondelelcaro>manuel: what's the problem?
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12:51<squelos>icarus => probably
12:51<squelos>me too, its the same
12:51<squelos>i got problems making stuff work
12:51<squelos>but remember, once its working on linux, its working
12:51<squelos>no need to reformat etc ...
12:51<squelos>ive be blowing my ass off for 4 days straight. Im not finished with configuring/installing etc ... but i think its worth it
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12:58<manuel>dondelelcaro, I can't find information for showing icons (open folder, colsed folder, plus, etc) in the browser widget
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13:08<squelos>hello, i need help installing compiz. I get a segmentation error.
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13:52<Oyashiro>i have one question, does Debian support GA-EX58-UD4P motheboard, because when i installes Debian form CD it didn't recognised my network controller
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13:53<jimjh>im using lenny, and i would like to install kde 4.2 on it. I did the steps given on
13:53<jimjh>but when i do aptitude -t experimental install kde4
13:54<jimjh>i get couldnt find package kde4
13:54<jimjh>any way to solve this ?
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13:57<coucouf>if you read the link you posted, at the top of the post it is written NOT to use the instuctions
13:58<coucouf>kde 4 requires many dependencies not in Lenny so it's would be a better idea to upgrade to squeeze
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14:10<tbrock>guys, is there any way to install a newer version of hellanzb?
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14:11<tbrock>I'm rockin lenny
14:11<tbrock>but version .13 is broke
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14:29<klharris>hello, im using dell inspiron 1525 laptop with lenny installed. I installed compiz by running the command "sudo apt-get install compiz compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-gnome compiz-fusion-plugins-main"
14:29<klharris>also installed the compizconfig-settings-manager and fusion-icon
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14:30<klharris>but if i enable effects from the settings manager they are not taking effect, and also i dont see the icon for fusion-icon in my tray
14:30<klharris>any way to fix this ?
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14:32<klharris>running lspci shows :
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14:34<olet>locklace: it's at least better than paste directly to chan
14:34<bja>!lart locklace
14:34*dpkg urinates on locklace
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14:35<klharris>could there be a problem with my hardware ?
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14:36<klharris>or do i need to install any drivers ?
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14:36<bja>dpkg: tell klharris about unix lessons
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14:38<rjent>Greetings, is anyone familiar with rtp streams and best way to pull out a jpeg image? I would like something like wget.
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14:45<olet>rjent: maybe you can use mplayer for it with it's jpeg output driver
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14:47<rjent>olet: First thanks for the reply. Ok I can put this on my list of possible solutions. It would sure be handy just to be able to have wget pull the first image.
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14:47<rjent>I may lookup the maintainers of wget and see if it is something they could consider
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14:49<edbian>Some jerk is brute force attacking my ssh server. I wrote some iptables rules to block him but it apparently there are so many login attempts it overloads my server after 10 - 15 min. The server becomes unresponsive. What else can I do? I can pastebin the iptables rules if you'd like.
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14:50<bja>edbian: do it
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14:51<edbian>bja: Alright hang on.
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14:53<edbian>I thought that iptables shoud be robust enough to not let the server freeze. Is this wrong? Do I need to filter at the router?
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14:54<bja>edbian: iptables is case sensitive, did you copy paste?
14:54<edbian>i did copy / paste
14:54<edbian>Where is there a case typo?
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14:55<edbian>bja: I accidentally cut stuff off
14:55<bja>wait a sec i'll fix it
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14:57<edbian>What is wrong with these rules?
14:57<edbian>Can I venture a guess? : Is it that very last word "ACCEPT" ?
15:00<bja>edbian: you pasted out of a pager, your rules are incomplete
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15:01<edbian>yeah here:
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15:01<edbian>I corrected it
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15:06<edbian>bja: Sorry if this is rude but, are you there??
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15:07<bja>edbian: no its not rude, i'm doing some editing, its almost done
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15:08<edbian>bja: Ok! :) Thanks for the help
15:09<bja>try those, I'm solving today that same isue
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15:10<edbian>Is it working for you yet?
15:10<bja>yes it is working
15:10<bja>i limited attempts to 5 every hour
15:10<edbian>What else did you change? the --rcheck and --update flags.
15:11<bja>on iptables you have to call one module per rule, i don't know why but it works best this way
15:11<bja>you called the -m tcp and -m recent, i also changed the -p to capital TCP
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15:12<fgh>hi sa jag vafan
15:12<bja>that is how i have them running, i also mention the sources as -s
15:12<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
15:12<fgh>hi is en, yes
15:13<bja>hi might be in english, depending on the context,
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15:13<edbian>I'm testing no
15:13<fgh>the context was i joined the channel
15:14<bja>fgh: Excuse me, "sa jag vafen" is not on my personal dictionary, i made a mistake sorry
15:14<bja>fgh: didn't mean to be rude
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15:15<bja>btw what does that mean?
15:15<OdyX>"no problem"
15:15<OdyX>"I love you too"
15:16<bja>I meant "sa jag vafen"
15:16<OdyX>and "by the way, does that mean we are in love?"
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15:17<fgh>i dont know bja, its not english :(
15:17<OdyX>its a cat on a keyboard
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15:19<edbian>bja: I just opened port 22. I'll keep you updated!
15:19<bja>edbian: lmk if it works
15:20<fgh>me too edbian
15:21<edbian>I'm on the up and up soo far. I've got a ping going every 5 seconds
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15:24<chrisben>hello everyone. is there a way to make dpkg forget that a package is installed but not uninstall it? (or at least stob bothering me about dependancies that I --forced ?
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15:29<abraham>christaben set it to prefer the installed version
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15:29<abraham>i dont know if that will work or not though
15:30<abraham>it depends on whether or not its broken or breaking things
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15:32<chrisben>I'm running etch, I compiled a package from lenny sources
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15:32<abraham>its probably broken then and shouldnt be on your system
15:32<chrisben>one of the depends was a perl module, which I instlled thru cpan, it wasn't installable without installing a bunch of other stuff.
15:33<chrisben>it works great, the package is just a perl module. (amavisd-new)
15:34<chrisben>the only issue is apt-get -f install keeps trying to uninstall it.
15:34<chrisben>(I hade to --force-depends to make it install.
15:34<abraham>i dont know how to shut apt up
15:34<abraham>not in that case'
15:35<chrisben>k, thanks anyway!
15:37<edbian>bja: fgh: So far so good. I didn't write a log rule in iptables so I don't know for sure if it's actually blocking any attempts but usually by this time my server has locked up.
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15:51<chrisben>cool, found it.
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15:51<chrisben>fyi, creating a dummy package
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15:53<abraham>cool ill check it out
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16:24<ituxicity>hi, I am trying to install initng on lenny but i can't find the goddam package
16:24<mason_>hello , how to install fluxbox if i have gnome
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16:27<mason_>hello, how do you install fluxbox on debian? Changing from gnome to fluxbox
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16:28<ituxicity>mason_, apt-get install openbox openbox-themes
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16:28<ituxicity>then you logout from your session
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16:28<mason_>so first you do apt-get install fluxbox
16:28<mason_>then the openbox command
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16:29<ituxicity>and then once you are in the GDM you change your session to openbox and provide your user/pass
16:29<ituxicity>apt-get install fluxbox
16:29<ituxicity>forget about openbox :), that's the one i'm using
16:30<mason_>do i need the x window system
16:30<ituxicity>i guess so
16:31<marcel>mason_: if you want a graphical dekstop yes
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16:32<ituxicity>marcel, is there any chance you know about initng?
16:33<marcel>infernix: what is youre question?
16:33<mason_>whats GDM stand for?
16:33<ituxicity>all the depositories i've found are down
16:33<ituxicity>i cant find the package to install it
16:33<marcel>mason_: GNOME Display Manager
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16:33<marcel>ituxicity: what package do you want to install?
16:33<ituxicity>mason_, it's the login screen
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16:34<ituxicity>marcel, initng
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16:34<marcel>infernix: sec ill check here.. youre running lenny?
16:34<edbian>bja: fgh: My server is frozen!
16:34<marcel>musca: gdm is not neccery of you like to keep it minimal. you can start x by the command startx
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16:35<edbian>I think it's because of these ssh brute force attacks but how can I check?
16:35<marcel>ituxicity: there doenst seem to be a package called initng in the repos
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16:36<edbian>bja: fgh: Are you guys there?
16:36<marcel>musca: s/of/if/
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16:36<ituxicity>it's a package that comes in replacement to sysvinit
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16:36<ituxicity>apparently it makes your machine boots faster but it is quite experimental
16:37<marcel>edbian: check /var/log/auth.log perhaps?
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16:37<edbian>marcel: Well since I wrote this iptables rule the ssh server never even sees the log in attempts
16:37<marcel>edbian: well i cant find it in non-free nor can i find it in the bpo. you might need to build it from source if you REALLY need it
16:37<edbian>plus the server is non-responsive
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16:38<edbian>marcel: Need what?
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16:38<marcel>edbian: 22:30 < ituxicity> marcel, initng
16:39<edbian>Can anybody help me with my ssh brute force attacks?
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16:39<marcel>edbian: sorry cant help you there.. never needed to learn about that.
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16:40<edbian>I set iptables to block brute force ssh attacks via these rules: Problem is I get so many attacks my server is going unresponsive.
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16:40<marcel>edbian: why are you being brute forced?
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16:41<edbian>no idea
16:41<edbian>some idiot wrote a bot that guesses user names and passwords
16:41<marcel>aah mkay
16:41<marcel>edbian: have you though about switchen to another port? they mostely go for port 22.
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16:42<edbian>That's a work around but the server shouldn't be freezing simply because it has to drop a lot of packets should it? It is modest hardware.
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16:43<marcel>edbian: well not the whole machine but, perhaps the connection...
16:43<craigevil>ituxicity: take a look at
16:43<marcel>edbian: dont know to be honest. never had that
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16:44<edbian>The whole machine is becoming frozen.
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16:44<olet>what hardware is it?
16:45<edbian>amd 400MHz processor
16:45<edbian>128 MB ram
16:45<olet>and nic?
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16:46<olet>actually just give the output of lspci ;)
16:46<edbian>00:05.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c900B-TPO Etherlink XL [Cyclone] (rev 04)
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16:47<edbian> Kernel driver in use: 3c59x
16:47<edbian> Kernel modules: 3c59x
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16:50<edbian>Cancel all of this. I think the PC is overheating
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16:53<ituxicity>thanks craigevil
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16:57<dpkg>Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at . #compiz on
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17:38<hrvoje>in Kdevelop i get error while compiling: kdevelop ../libtool: line 2415: mkdir /.libs: No such file or directory mkdir: cannot create directory `/.libs': Permission denied
17:38<hrvoje>is problem that libtool is too new?
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17:45<chealer>hrvoje: it doesn't look like that to me - it looks like kdevelop is missing permission to work in some directory
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17:47<hrvoje>chealer: yes I would also say that by "permission denied" but then again it always have only user privilages (if not ran as root) and I did some researchin and some said it needs libtool 2.2 which is older
17:47<themill>It sounds like the project directory is not defined correctly. It's trying to build stuff in / which is plain wrong
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17:48<hrvoje>themill: i just do "mkdir projects" in my home dir with $ so don't know what should be wrong.
17:48<chealer>hum, themill seems right
17:48<themill>chealer: don't sound so surprised :P
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17:50<chealer>hrvoje: what do you mean by "libtool 2.2 which is older"?
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17:50<hrvoje>but maybe that "/" is just refered to "~/projects"
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17:50<chealer>themill: hehe :)
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17:51<chealer>hrvoje: unlikely
17:52<hrvoje>chealer: sorry, libtool 1.5,, quotes from : "so I installed libtool 1.5 in the place of libtool 2.4 which is contained in the Ubuntu 8.10"
17:53<hrvoje>and I have 2.2.6a-4 (on testing)
17:54<hrvoje>so maybe I should run "aptitude remove libtool && -t stable install libtool"
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17:56<hrvoje>hm.. didn't solve the problem
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17:58<hrvoje>maybe the problem is in "Optional libraries to link to" which is set to "-lm" or Optional include path" which is "-l/usr/include"
17:58<xeon-enouf>so much for = signs
17:59<chealer>hrvoje: see
17:59<hrvoje>it's actually ok now with old libtool :) i restart Kdevelop and recompile project
17:59<chealer>hrvoje: target-release is ignored unless you have a source for that release
18:01<hrvoje>chealer: sorry didn't get it
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18:02<chealer>hrvoje: you didn't get what? I was stating that "aptitude remove libtool && -t stable install libtool" may be idempotent if you have no stable APT source
18:03<deniz>what is the package name called of keyboard shortcuts in gnome's preferences?
18:03<hrvoje>chealer: ah that you meant.. I know lol but I have it in my repo :))
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18:06<hrvoje>deniz: sorry I don't understand your question
18:07<deniz>System-->Preferences-->Keyboard Shortcuts in GNOME what's the package name so that i can see which version it is using apt-cache policy
18:07<deniz>hrvoje, ^
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18:08<hrvoje>deniz: sorry am using KDE so can't check it, but try to look under installed packages with description sth like "keyboard shortcuts"
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18:13<adama>how can I get a usb drive that is mounted on /dev/sdc to be remounted on /dev/sdb
18:13<adama>err not mounted
18:13<hrvoje>adama: and you don't have /dev/sdb entry at all?
18:14<deniz>hrvoje, there is only a help thing which doesnt seem to answer my question but thx anyways, ill check more thoroughly later
18:14<adama>hrvoje: nope.
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18:15<hrvoje>deniz: aptitude search keyboard shortcut | sort -k 1
18:15<adama>I know (think) unplugging it and replugging it would put it on /dev/sdb but it's remote
18:15<hrvoje>deniz: or apt-cache search isntead of aptitude search.. and see all with little i (should be first ones)
18:16<deniz>i alredy did that actually
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18:17<hrvoje>adama: try to repopulate /dev
18:17<elif>dear friends
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18:18<elif>can I install vmware workstation in debian
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18:18<hrvoje>adama: I don't know actually, am googling, you also try
18:18<hrvoje>alif: yes
18:19<hrvoje>elif: add a repo on their site
18:19<elif>I trien in ubuntu but I can not successfull
18:19<hrvoje>elif: oh sry it's for VirtualBox.. :p hm...
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18:19<hrvoje>elif: but you should be able to install VMware also, have you tried?
18:20<RBorges>[Problem after Installation!] Hey guys, please, after grub the initialization process stops at "Loading, please wait", and never go, who knows what can be wrong?
18:20<RBorges>ps: Lenny version
18:20<elif>can I see my harddisk or com port like this in virtualbox
18:21<hrvoje>elif: yes, but it's better to use non-os version coz of USBs..
18:21<hrvoje>elif: you need to share a directory
18:21<elif>it is ok..
18:22<elif>ı tried virtualbox... I could not see anything exep CD
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18:23<hrvoje>you set it?
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18:24<elif>thank you I will try again Virtualbox..
18:24<ml|>don't you need to install vbox tools or something for sharing to work
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18:25<hrvoje>it's probably dependency, i don't remember installing it extra and all worked fine
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18:29<elif>thank you everybody... see you later
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18:29<RBorges> [Problem after Installation!] Hey guys, please, after grub the initialization process stops at "Loading, please wait", and never go, who knows what can be wrong?
18:29<RBorges><RBorges> ps: Lenny version
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18:31<hrvoje>RBorges: at what point? can you boot kernel?
18:31<RBorges>I can't
18:31<hrvoje>and you're now on the same comp.?
18:31<RBorges>the installation process seems ok at the end, no erros
18:32<RBorges>yeah.... in vista (other partition)
18:32<ml|>RBorges: maybe try reinstalling grub, tho i don't dual boot
18:32<hrvoje>did you install GRUB in MBR?
18:33<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode> and <dual boot guide>.
18:33<ml|>dpkg: tell RBorges about dual boot
18:33<RBorges>yes I installed grub in MBR
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18:34<hrvoje>then try to reconfigure or reinstall it with some LiveCD
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18:34<RBorges>hmm nice
18:34<hrvoje>you were given instructions, just probably not ext2...
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18:35<insigne>sou brasileira
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18:36<RBorges>hey hrvoje, thanks
18:36<RBorges>I will try
18:36<hrvoje>no problem ;)
18:37<hrvoje>or maybe just check the entries in /boot/grub/menu.list
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18:37<hrvoje>*lst sry
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18:39<X_100_Destino_X>boa noite pessoa....
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18:56<hrvoje>my dead keys (AltGr) don't work properly in gtk apps and konsole
18:56<hrvoje>(am running KDE)
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18:57<hrvoje>and I think that happened during the downgrade from unstable to testing so probably some package was left or xorg damaged
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19:17<dpkg>bebop: VATTENE VIA
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19:20<themill>judd: pciid 8086:4229
19:20<judd>themill: [8086:4229] is 'PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'iwl4965' in lenny. See also
19:20<themill>gsimmons: ^^ we were talking about getting judd to provide wiki links for modules a few weeks back -- it now does :) Thanks for the pointer to that information.
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19:26<ml|>!beer themill
19:26*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for themill
19:26<ml|>themill: good job :)
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19:40<altona123>i wanted to install gnash but iceweasel still used flash-nonfree. i tried to erase all flashplugins but still about:plugins mentions «» and i am able to use youtube. doesnt exist on /. can anyone help?
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19:43<Zathras_>altona123, you have to delete or purge the package(s), not the files
19:43<Zathras_>then restart the browser to take it into effect
19:44<Zathras_>then install gnash
19:44<Zathras_>and restart browser again
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19:44<altona123>i typed: apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree
19:45<altona123>and restarted the browser via killall xulrunner-stub as root
19:45<altona123>i mean killed
19:45<altona123>and then restarted
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20:09<ituxicity>i have a pypanel appearing at startup
20:09<ituxicity>and i have no idea why
20:09<ituxicity>can someone help me on that one?
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20:10<hashheadz>i need help
20:10<ituxicity>me too :)
20:10<hashheadz>anyone know how to allow just ppp to a user and any other device like eth*
20:10<hashheadz>and not any other device like eth*
20:11<hashheadz>e.g just allow bitchx to use ppp
20:11<hashheadz>and everything else like tv stream apps for lan
20:11<ituxicity>you mean ppp-chap-secrets file?
20:11<hashheadz>what u need help with ituxicity
20:11<hashheadz>i can connect with both devices e.g ppp and wlan0
20:11<ituxicity>hashheadz, let start with you
20:12<hashheadz>but i want to seperate em..sosay load a program with user id mobile and connect via just ppp i can use
20:12<hashheadz>and my default connection left alone for all other users
20:12<hashheadz>u get wat i mean
20:12<ituxicity>i mean i dont see what the ppp connection is doing here
20:13<hashheadz>ok ppp connect is giving me seperate ip for Xchat
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20:13<ituxicity>a ppp connection is point to point therefore only one client can use it, unless you had routing and nat
20:13<hashheadz>so i can limit the attack via irc ppl
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20:13<hashheadz>and i have a local connect that users dsl
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20:13<hashheadz>whcih everythingn is connecting too
20:14<hashheadz>but i want just Xchat to use the spare ppp connection i have
20:14<hashheadz>e.g my mobile phone connection
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20:14<ituxicity>where is connected your mobile phone?
20:15<ituxicity>i have no idea how to do that
20:15<ituxicity>i thought it was a routing issue, maybe a proxy issue but what you're telling me i dont know about
20:15<hashheadz>can i allow just a user to access just that connection and deny it all other connections like dsl wlan0
20:15<ituxicity>sure you can
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20:16<hashheadz>ok how would i do that
20:16<ituxicity>you have to tag your traffic somehow
20:16<ituxicity>your traffic comes from separated connections?
20:16<hashheadz>how do i tag just xchat traffic or user 'spare'
20:16<hashheadz>no all traffic coming from 1 connection at moment
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20:17<hashheadz>i want to plug in phone ..e.g. ttysacm0
20:17<hashheadz>and connect via that
20:17<hashheadz>with just user 'spare'
20:17<hashheadz>via just either loging in to user 'spare'
20:17<hashheadz>and still have access to wlan0 in my normal user enviroment
20:18<hashheadz>e.g not in user 'spare' enviroment
20:18<ituxicity>hashheadz, you need to give me a better picture: what's connected to what and what you want to do exactly
20:18<hashheadz>ok wlan0 is connected to dsl under user 1
20:18<hashheadz>user 1 can log in to user 2
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20:19<ituxicity>user 1 can log in to user 2? what does that mean?
20:19<hashheadz>and i want user 2 have no access to anything apart from ttysacm0
20:19<hashheadz>when it is connected
20:19<abraham>i cant right click on my desktop anymore what do i need to run?
20:19<hashheadz>or just my local lan
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20:20<ituxicity>sorry hashheadz i dont get it
20:20<hashheadz>normally i would load a emulator and locad the client in that to access just the usb stuff
20:20<abrotman>hashheadz: i think maybe iptables can do it
20:20<hashheadz>so i have 2 seperate ips and access to local area connect
20:20<hashheadz>ye but how
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20:21<southernc>go to your applications menu. Under System Tools -> Configuration editor.
20:21<southernc>Use the left tree view to navigate to: apps -> nautilus ->preferences and make sure that the 'show_desktop' option IS CHECKED.
20:21<abraham>it is
20:22<ituxicity>hashheadz, the "usb stuff" is a network connection?
20:22<hashheadz>a phone
20:22<southernc>abraham open a terminal type nautilus
20:22<hashheadz>like a dongle connection
20:22<hashheadz>its vodafone
20:22<hashheadz>i use a motorla to connect to the net
20:22<ituxicity>then yeah you need to configure ACL with iptable
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20:23<hrvoje>abraham: you need to check "show icons on desktop"
20:23<hashheadz>can u point me to a informative example
20:23<southernc>abraham: leave that open and Under System -> Preferences -> Sessions, select the Current Session tab, select nautilus and set the Order to 40, and set the Style to Restart. Hit Apply and then switch to the terminal window.
20:23<abraham>aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
20:24<hrvoje>abraham: are you trying to install Helixplayer on testing?
20:24<abraham>no im on lenny
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20:24<hrvoje>it should work then..
20:25<southernc>love when people ask for help then just leave
20:25<hashheadz>i kjnow
20:25<ituxicity>that's huge
20:25<hashheadz>just goign to read it now
20:26<mateu>i'm running lenny and have consistently found terrible performance with apache and mod_fastcgi when mod_deflate is enabled (which is by default).
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20:27<mateu>has anybody else experienced this and possibly know of a remedy besides de-configuring mod_deflate?
20:27<hashheadz>have u tried the threaded version
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20:28<mateu>of which?
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20:30<hashheadz>ye u could tried that one if it is for threaded stuff
20:30<hashheadz>not doing much apahce laterly
20:30<abraham>how do i install something if my libdc++ is broken
20:31<mateu>hashheadz: what's your preferred web server these days?
20:31<hashheadz>but i dont use one at moment cos i am tryign to seperate my server from my irc client
20:32<hashheadz>but some useless idiot took me to the iptables page taht dont explain anything
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20:32<mateu>separting irc client from web server, i don't understand.
20:33*mateu happily uses irssi-proxy with whatever irc client on top.
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20:36<hashheadz>ok i hacve a irc slient connected on the webserver..i want to be able to serpeate them
20:36<hashheadz>e.g both diff ips
20:36<hashheadz>so if someone like a c ip..then i wont get affected by my serverscript kiddy attacks my ir
20:36<hashheadz>as that on differtn ip
20:37<hashheadz>and the bandwidth is different
20:37<hashheadz>i dont have any proxys that work with ukchatterbox
20:37<hashheadz>as they using some kind of ip updated client to detect proxies
20:38<hashheadz>so everytime i use a public ip proxy they kick unless i am lucky enough to get one thats not in the database yet
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20:46<mateu>i just installed the proxy on my own vritual server, and tunnel to it with my irc client.
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20:48<fmg>hello - I need a hint to config the iso-8869-15 fonts for xterm, regarding the euro symbol. Is it necessary to edit /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm or is there another solution?
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20:48<fmg>sry - 8859-15
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20:49<hashheadz>ye a virtual server from where ur own machine
20:49<hashheadz>or a host u paid for
20:49<hashheadz>as i want to do that with my own machine without the virtual host
20:49<hashheadz>as i can do a virtual host solution
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20:50<mateu>well it's the same if I have a real host or virtual host, it's just that virtual are cheaper ;)
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20:51<hashheadz>irtual are free if run of ur own host
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20:52<hashheadz>hence why i want a even simipliar soloution like tcp port 6669 redirecxted to just my usb device
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20:52<hashheadz>or an ip of my chioce
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20:52<mateu>i really don't understand the problem, sounds to me like you may be making it harder than it is.
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20:52<hashheadz>ok i have two internet connections
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20:53<hashheadz>either i run a virtual host
20:53<hashheadz>or i make a some kind of sctirpt or something jsut for irc to use my mobile ip
20:53<hashheadz>and use my main machine ip for everything else
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20:53<mateu>irc clients don't take bandwidth, now and irc server may.
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20:53<hashheadz>now why would i pay for a virtual host if i can run one
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20:54<hashheadz>and why should i waste resources on cpu for running a qemu
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20:54<hashheadz>when appartanly i can do a simply iptables config
20:54<mateu>your' paying for two internet connections aren't you?
20:54<hashheadz>which no one has an idea of
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20:54<hashheadz>and if it possible i would just like access to my mobile doaccess any net apart form what comes from my mobile donglengle via a user..and not have the user
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20:54<hashheadz>no i am paying fora moible phone
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20:54<hashheadz>and a dsl connect
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20:55<hashheadz>my mobile p[hone has free internet
20:55<hashheadz>wether it is http or not
20:55<hashheadz>not the point
20:55<mateu>why are you concerned about irc client bandwidth?
20:55<hashheadz>it gives me a spare ip to use
20:55<hashheadz>a public one
20:55<hashheadz>im not
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20:55<mateu>i thought that was part the issue.
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20:56<hashheadz>i want my ip omy mobile ipn irc to use
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20:56<hashheadz>and i want my download ip to use for my downloads
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20:56<hashheadz>e.g 8mb versus 5k
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20:56<hashheadz>my missus uses irc
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20:56<mateu>sounds like premature optimization.
20:56<hashheadz>i can apply a proxy to a friends computer but that does not mean it on when ever i am
20:57<hashheadz>unlike a personaol setup like i am trying to create
20:57<hashheadz>without using qemu
20:57<hashheadz>or such like
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21:24<hashheadz>wat febop
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21:31<ret>Heyyy, can someone help me out? I'm currently trying to use THUNAR to access and edit folders within an electronic... specifically my PlayStation portable... and the files won't save.
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21:32<ret>Once I close out of thunar the files act as if I didn't put them there... is there a hotkey or something to save before exiting?
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21:33<hashheadz>ok i know bout psp
21:33<hashheadz>and i am quite well verse in how it operates
21:33<hashheadz>what is THUNAR
21:33<ret>Um, isn't it the file manager? :P
21:33<hashheadz>ok do u wait long enoughb for the files to transfer
21:33<ret>I'm trying to add pictures/music but I'm unable to get them to stay there
21:33<hashheadz>e.g if it is 1 gig do u wait a good hour
21:33<ret>I tried putting on an 86KB picture
21:33<ret>and it didn't work.
21:34<hashheadz>cant u p[ut em on via usb
21:34<ret>thats what I'm trying to do o.o
21:34<hashheadz>or ftp
21:34<ret>But nothing is saving to the PSP
21:34<ret>How would I FTP a playstation portable?
21:34<hashheadz>so have u mountthe psp or does the usb get mounted
21:35<hashheadz>wiht ermm .....witha ftpd deamopn on the psp
21:35<hashheadz>or using ftp prog on psp to connecdcct to ur unix system
21:35<ret>=/ I can't get anything on or off, sooo... I kinda need to figure this out :P
21:35<hashheadz>ok we assume u not connect to ur usb
21:35<hashheadz>ok connect it
21:36<hashheadz>and do a lsusb in console
21:36<ret>ret@Ret:~$ lsusb
21:36<ret>Bus 004 Device 015: ID 054c:01c8 Sony Corp.
21:36<ret>Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
21:36<ret>Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
21:36<ret>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
21:36-!-ret was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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21:36<hashheadz>ok so it connected
21:36<hashheadz>so we know the lead works and it has some kind of access
21:36<hashheadz>ok what happens when u do dmesg | grep usb
21:37<ret>want me to pastebin?
21:37<ret>there's a lot
21:37<hashheadz>it should give sda addy
21:37<hashheadz>or sdc
21:37<hashheadz>not sda btw
21:37<hashheadz>as that usually ur hdd
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21:38<hashheadz>ermm... ok when u ls /dev/sd'tab' what letters available
21:38<hashheadz>should be either sdb or sdc if u only got psp connected
21:38<sney^>fdisk -ls will show you your connected disks and their partition tables
21:38<hashheadz>u will have sdb1 or sdc1 after that tho
21:38<sney^>including usb stuff
21:38<ret>you guys lost me lol
21:38<hashheadz>i wasnt sure how u get a list of disk references
21:39<hashheadz>ok do fdisk -ls
21:39<ret>ret@Ret:~$ fdisk -ls
21:39<ret>bash: fdisk: command not found
21:39<hashheadz>in console
21:39<sney^>or be root
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21:39<hashheadz>sney ill let u determin if the filesystem is mounted
21:39<hashheadz>and i wil take over if thats ok
21:39<ret>/dev/sda = 1GB which is my PSP I suppose
21:39<abrotman>type 'mount' ?
21:39<ret>because it's a 1Gb memstick
21:40<hashheadz>is it in /media/disk
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21:40<hashheadz>ok cd to /media/disk
21:40<hashheadz>do a dir and tell me if u see the system folder and that
21:40<hashheadz>the usualy psp folders
21:40<ret>Ret:/media/disk# dir
21:40<ret>iso memstick.ind mp_root mstk_pro.ind music picture psp video
21:41<hashheadz>ok cd to picture
21:41<hashheadz>and do a ls.... do u see other files there
21:41<hashheadz>or is it blank as u not put no pictuures ion
21:42<hashheadz>copy a file like apng or jpg to it
21:42<ret>:$ How do i do that with CLI?
21:42<hashheadz>e.g cp foobarfile to ./
21:42<ret>oh ok
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21:43<ret>so far it looks like it copied
21:43<ret>Ret:/media/disk/picture# ls
21:43<hashheadz>ok umount /media/disk
21:43<hashheadz>if not it umount /dev/sda1
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21:43<hashheadz>or /dev/sda
21:44<hashheadz>just to make sure it finished with ur memory card
21:44<hashheadz>it like remove command in windows
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21:44<ret>Okay, um, how do I copy whole folders? Like, cp /home/ret/Desktop/pspirc-v1.1.6 /media/disk/etc
21:44<hashheadz>same way
21:44<ret>like that?
21:44<ret>okay :3
21:44<hashheadz>but with -r in the cp command
21:44<ret>what does -r stand for?
21:44<ml|>cp -r
21:44<hashheadz>like cp -r foorbar/ to /media/disk/
21:44<ml|>man cp
21:45<todoesverso>-r = recursive
21:45<ret>thanks :D
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21:45<hashheadz>did it work
21:45<todoesverso>if you want to copy just everythin use the '-a' flag
21:45<ret>yep :D
21:45<hashheadz>whats -a for
21:45<hashheadz>and all
21:46<ml|>yeah -a is usefull
21:46<hashheadz>i usually use -rf
21:46<ret>:3 thanks guyssss :D
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21:46<hashheadz>did it work ret
21:46<ret>I'd have been so lost lol
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21:46<ml|>man cp will explain better than anybody here ;)
21:46<hashheadz>if se consolegui dont work... then just u
21:46<hashheadz>fuckiong mouse
21:47<hashheadz>a man is ok if u wan tot learn everything
21:47<ret>how do I del files?
21:47<hashheadz>but a human is better of u just want to know how to copy
21:47<ret>i'm kinda new to debian if you couldn't tell
21:47<ml|>man rm
21:48<hashheadz>imagine debain as a update tool
21:48<ml|>new to linux? and more info so you can learn
21:48<hashheadz>and the tools u use as available for all system that rn unix
21:48<hashheadz>like in cp uses
21:48<ret>ml|: yeah, please
21:48<hashheadz>man havec been useless for me in the beginning in my learnign of unix#
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21:49<ret>Ret:/media/disk/psp/game# rm pspirc-v1.1.6
21:49<ret>rm: cannot remove `pspirc-v1.1.6': Is a directory
21:49<ml|>dpkg: tell ret about grounding
21:49<hashheadz>but after i learnt the laout of unix i have found it usefull for some things
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21:49<ml|>rm -r
21:49<hashheadz>aok use -f
21:49<abrotman>-f alone won't help
21:49<hashheadz>ok -rf
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21:49<hashheadz>-f usefull if curropted
21:49<hashheadz>so i use as defualt
21:49<ml|>ret: do /msg dpkg selftell
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21:49<abrotman>no reason to use -f at all
21:50<hashheadz>ok waht bout if u wanna move a folder with mv
21:50<ml|>ret: and /msg dpkg reference
21:50<abrotman>just mv it ?
21:50<ml|>just mv works fine
21:50<hashheadz>lol what if its recursive
21:50<hashheadz>im sure i have to use -f for someting
21:51<ml|>no need
21:51<hashheadz>or is it habit from old styles in old days
21:51<ml|>ret: got that
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21:51<hashheadz>didnt they use to play tricks with -f
21:51<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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21:51<hashheadz>yea usually after 4th return after a quick recession
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21:52<todoesverso>hello facundo
21:52<hashheadz>jeremy kyle on
21:52<ml|>ret: that should help you on your way, also ask dpkg about unix lessons
21:52<hashheadz>theres unix lessons
21:52<hashheadz>is ther
21:52<hashheadz>fk me
21:52<hashheadz>with no crowbar
21:53<ml|>no but the is an enter ;)
21:54<ret>I have a feeling this was answered, but would cp -r be used for this error? Ret:/media/disk/psp/game# cp /home/ret/Desktop/pspirc-v1.1.6/fw15 /media/disk/psp/game
21:54<ret>cp: omitting directory `/home/ret/Desktop/pspirc-v1.1.6/fw15'
21:54<todoesverso>facundo, welecome to the dark side of the internet, this is still web 1.0 and we are all proud of it :P
21:55<ml|>but man cp and rm
21:55<hashheadz>aint this web http 2.0
21:55<hashheadz>as it includes irc and such like protoclols
21:56<todoesverso>yes, i know, but is far away from facebook and stuff like that :)
21:56<todoesverso>or google waves...
21:56<facundo>that's my all life
21:56<facundo>i'm new on this
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21:57<hashheadz>facebook can use the http1.0 protocal
21:57<hashheadz>jsut means it not defined after that security which http2.0 was injtroduced for
21:57<hashheadz>well http:1.1
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21:57<todoesverso>i know it was just a joke
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21:57<hashheadz>but mobile conform, to it for some stupid reason
21:58<hashheadz>but anything conforming to http1
21:58<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
21:58<hashheadz>also conformes to anything after that
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21:59<todoesverso>ok, sorry mr dpkg
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22:00<hashheadz>debain covrs http1
22:00<hashheadz>e.g wml
22:00<hashheadz>or does it not
22:00<hashheadz>it covers the very basics that the net is based on
22:00<hashheadz>e.g dhcp
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22:00<hashheadz>and transport protocols
22:00<abrotman>hashheadz: lay off the enter key ..
22:00<abrotman>and stop being offtopic
22:01<hashheadz>it s not
22:01<abrotman>yes, it is
22:01<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
22:01<vook>i dunno about debian - AROS looks nice.
22:02<dpkg>AROS - Amiga Research OS ( - Goal is to create an OS as compatible as possible to AmigaOS 3.1. Will be multi-platform and mostly source compatible with Amiga OS (may be binary compatible on real Amiga or m68k machines). Can run under Linux and X or on bare metal (including i386!)
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22:08<hashheadz>sine when do u know bout amiga os 3.1
22:09<hashheadz>u seem like th eperwson to be pc oriented
22:09<hashheadz>or mac oriented
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22:09<hashheadz>due to amiga being powerpc compatible
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22:10<hashheadz>thought the ami 3.5 versionjga got to
22:10<abrotman>hashheadz: i think you want #debian-offtopic
22:10<hashheadz>dpgk talked bout amiga os
22:10<gengxj>I have a problem about linux net module, anyone can help me ?
22:10<hashheadz>so cant be off topic if it suppots amiga
22:10<hashheadz>can it
22:10<abrotman>hashheadz: i think you want #debian-offtopic
22:10<hashheadz>ye i could help
22:10<abrotman>gengxj: just ask
22:10<kop>What's wrong with my mirroring? I'm using anonftpsync to mirror debian from I keep getting the message: rsync: opendir "/pool/main/s/slicer" (in debian) failed: Permission denied (13)\nIO error encountered -- skipping file deletion" If I delete the directory from my system, it comes back when I re-run the mirror and I get the same error. The strange thing is that if I browse the tds archive with http the slicer directory does not exist, but
22:10<hashheadz>if u give more info bout problem
22:11<hashheadz>sounds like u not inj sudo
22:12<gengxj>We test the efficiency of package forwarding in linux os. but the result is too bad, we can't find the reason
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22:13<abrotman>package or packet ?
22:13<kop>gengxj: What is "package forwarding"? You mean packet forwarding, as in routing?
22:13<gengxj>a lot of package lost if the traffic is large
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22:14<abrotman>gengxj: there can be a few variables .. hardware is one
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22:14<abrotman>gengxj: like the cards used, the cables, the switch
22:15<kop>gengxj: Whether the nic properly negotiates speed. You could be running a 10Mbps.
22:16<gengxj>yes ,we use a IBM server
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22:17<gengxj>is the buffer mechanism of nic driver a problem
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22:18<kop>gengxj: You could examine the output of "dmesg | grep eth" to see what the kernel thinks about your hardware.
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22:19<gengxj>the result will be record in log if there are a lot of packet lose?
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22:21<edbian>I'm looking for a good cli program that can report my various temperature readings (system, cpu, hdd) What can you suggest?
22:22<kop>gengxj: Or do a flood ping (as root, "ping -f foo") of whatever's on the other end of each wire to see if you're getting the througput you should. I've also used the ttcp package, (now nttcp). netstat -iv will tell you packet loss stats (iirc).
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22:23<kop>edbian: I've used lm-sensors. YMMV.
22:23<edbian>kop: Is that cli based?
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22:24<kop>edbian: Yes. I use it to log, but I recall runnining it manually as well.
22:26<phorce1>edbian: install fail2ban and set it up to ban the attack IP's for several hours (re: your problem with ssh attacks)
22:26<edbian>phorce1: That is much appreciated. I think that the computer is overheating now. It just went un-responsive again with out being connected to the network at all (cord unplugged).
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22:27<phorce1>edbian: sounds like some of my old hardware <grin>
22:27<edbian>phorce1: Do you think the fan is bad? Is it a simple solution? *Crosses Fingers*
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22:28<edbian>Thanks for the help bt
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22:28<phorce1>edbian: open it up and look. I had one that ran for a month or so with no power supply fan. I only realized the fan was out because the cats decided that the top of that computer was a good place to sleep
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22:29<phorce1>The system kept running fine because i built it to very low specs but the case above the power supply was too hot to touch with bare fingers
22:30<kop>Any thoughts on
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22:32<mikeg>hi, which is the "best way" to install debian unstable to ext4 partition? mini.iso seems to not support ext4 yet
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22:34<abrotman>mikeg: /msg dpkg kmuto
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22:35<mikeg>thnx :)
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22:39<hashheadz>how bout if u make ur own mini kernel
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22:41<mikeg>maybe another idea is to boot from an ubuntu 9.04 cd that supports ext4, format the partition and then using debootstrap install a minimal debian unstable system
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22:43<abrotman>mikeg: the kmuto should work just fine
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22:46<miguel>what does this error means im getting an error while trying to install. Soft Reset Failed (Device Not Ready)
22:46<abrotman>it's not good
22:46<miguel>whats does it mean? how do i fix it?
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22:47<hashheadz>it means either ur using usb or u need to fix ur hdd
22:47<hashheadz>or some other device thats not readuy
22:47<hashheadz>usuallly dvd
22:47<abrotman>miguel: usually means the media is bad/dying .. could be a bad CD or bad HDD .. but also try to reseat your cables
22:47<miguel>umm i have 4 hds on my system
22:47<miguel>i doubt is a hd issue
22:48<hashheadz>u doubt it hdd issues et 2 ppl just said it is
22:48<hashheadz>or a /scsi device issues
22:48<kop>miguel: I don't know what it means. You might fix it by using a newer version of the installer, and then you'd probably need a newer kernel too. See kmuto (iirc) for a newer installer,and bpo for a newer kernel.
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22:48<hashheadz>u could jsut have a worn cable
22:48<hashheadz>if u think ur hardrive are ok
22:48<kop>hashheadz: You know, the channel etiqutte is to use real, spelled out, words.
22:49<kop>!tell hashheadz -about u
22:49<miguel>umm i mean it will let me install and everything
22:49<hashheadz>ok jdo dd if=/dev/device of=/dev/device
22:49<miguel>but im just worry about those errors
22:49<hashheadz>and see fi u have the error on a;l 4 hdds
22:49<hashheadz>if not u know it not hte hdds
22:49<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
22:49<kop>miguel: Run the badblocks utility to check your media.
22:49<dpkg>nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun.
22:50<hashheadz>dd should do the same as a bad block checker dont it
22:50<kop>hashheadz: Depends on the options. badblocks will do various read/write tests you won't get with dd.
22:50<hashheadz>!tell kop about -h
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22:51<hashheadz>ye but dd will tell u the in and outs which resemble the amounbt of data ina nd out
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22:51<hashheadz>dd will tell u if a device is working
22:51<miguel>and i get the error 3 times btw
22:51<hashheadz>badblocks will tell u if a workign device is having problems reading
22:51<kop>hashheadz: No, it won't. It will tell you if it's mostly working.
22:51<abrotman>hashheadz: please talk like a real person .. no one understands anything oyu're saying
22:52<hashheadz>at moent it is not working
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22:52<hashheadz>e.g rest prob
22:52<hashheadz>reset #
22:52<hashheadz>i helped ret
22:52<hashheadz>and u guyz didnt
22:52<hashheadz>so thats one up to me
22:52<hashheadz>and 0 to u
22:52<abrotman>he just stopped talking .. he didn't say his problem was solved
22:52<hashheadz>!tell kop about dir
22:52<abrotman>hashheadz: stop with the bot
22:53<hashheadz>!tell kop about dir¬
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22:53<kyle_>i need major helps guys
22:53<kyle_>my wireless
22:53<hashheadz>what bout it
22:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
22:53<kyle_>i cant get it to work
22:53<abrotman>which chipset?
22:53<hashheadz>ok do u see it
22:54<kyle_>i use a broadcom bcm4318
22:54<dpkg>nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun.
22:54<kyle_>Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
22:54<hashheadz>ok do u have wep or wpa encryption with ur network
22:54<abrotman>kyle_: lspci -k .. do you see a PCI ID, or a kernel driver ?
22:54<hashheadz>we knwo he sees it
22:54<hashheadz>cos he give us more info then windows
22:54*abrotman decides hashheadz is the most annoying person he's seen in weeks
22:54<kyle_> Kernel driver in use: b43-pci-bridge
22:54<kop>abrotman: Although he's _answering_ like a moron, so the factoid is not entirely apropos.
22:54<miguel>i also tried a ubuntu media and got the same soft reset failed drive not ready error
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22:55<dpkg>Plz uze #debian-l33t 4 hlp in l33t !! U wud get m0re helpz their !!! lol L33t speakers, please use #debian-l33t for help in the l33t dialect. You will get much more help there. 100% lame
22:55<abrotman>kyle_: did you install the b43-fwcutter ?
22:55<hashheadz>ok sounds like ur drive needs a either a fix or needs a pasword
22:55<abrotman>kyle_: and run the script to download the firmware ?
22:55<sney^>aw, that channel doesn't really exist.
22:55<hashheadz>like cos u used it in a raid systenm from a system that required a password with previous systemn it was in
22:55<kyle_>it downloaded it and extrated it
22:55*abrotman decides hashheadz is the most annoying person he's seen in weeks
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22:56<abrotman>kyle_: do you see any errors in dmesg?
22:56<abrotman>miguel: do you know which drive the error is on?
22:56<hashheadz>dont the firmware usually reside onthe cd/dvd that u used to install it on..due to it working on the live sysem
22:56<hashheadz>and u only need to copy /lib/bt4
22:56<abrotman>uh .. no
22:56<hashheadz>not bt4
22:56<hashheadz>but u know whaqt i mean
22:56<miguel>abrotman, all 3 of the ones that i have
22:56<abrotman>miguel: check your cables
22:57<hashheadz>miguel, does it workm in any pther system
22:57<hashheadz>check that
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22:57<hashheadz>if it does then it is a non cable problem
22:57<kyle_>abrotman...i dont see anything -bad-
22:57<miguel>abrotman, the thing is that i can install debian fine, and use it fine.. Also i ran diags from WD and they passed
22:58<hashheadz>so the drive is fine from a diagnositic view
22:58<abrotman>kyle_: tried with an open AP ?
22:58<hashheadz>so it could still have a secuirty prob
22:58<miguel>hashheadz, acess point
22:58<miguel>kyle ^^
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22:58<hashheadz>AP- in linux term means access pont
22:58<kyle_>then i guess not
22:58<miguel>hashheadz, yes the hds seem fine from the diags
22:59<hashheadz>but diags dont have access to physical data
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22:59<hashheadz>it only has access to data intergatiy
22:59<hashheadz>e.g smart
22:59<hashheadz>so fi harddrive requirld pass intitergityed passwprd it wou
22:59<hashheadz>fucking keybaord
22:59<hashheadz>and mouse
23:00<miguel>hashheadz, so what should i do?
23:00<hashheadz>so can u read all hdd data in ur sustem
23:00<hashheadz>or are u using raid
23:00<hashheadz>as raid treat all data on hdd different
23:00<hashheadz>e.g as an array with reduncay checks
23:00<hashheadz>ok what hdd is it
23:00<kyle_>should i edit /etc/network/interfaces?
23:01<hashheadz>hd* or sd*
23:01<miguel>hashheadz, 3 500gb 7200 RPM
23:01<miguel>the system works like a charm
23:01<hashheadz>ok thought u had 4
23:01<miguel>everything works fine
23:01<hashheadz>it will if one drive fails in raid
23:01<hashheadz>as that wat raid is good fort
23:02<miguel>im using raid 0
23:02<miguel>so all hds are working
23:02<hashheadz>ok stirpped
23:02<hashheadz>what u tryijg to do with it
23:02<abrotman>hashheadz: please go find a dictionary
23:02<hashheadz>i will
23:02<miguel>is this an actual error?
23:02<hashheadz>if i had sex
23:03<hashheadz>the error u discribe usuallly means a harddrive failure in either hardware or leads
23:03<hashheadz>or softaware
23:03<hashheadz>depwendong on prob
23:03<miguel>i know is fedora but
23:04<hashheadz>u have sata and pata drives
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23:04<hashheadz>e.g ide
23:04<hashheadz>and sagta
23:04<abrotman>hashheadz: lay off the enter key
23:04<hashheadz>i will
23:04<hashheadz>when i get backafter my leg over
23:05<hashheadz>if i gert one
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23:05<abrotman>hashheadz: you need 10 minutes to learn to control your enter key
23:05<miguel>umm that is true
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23:05<miguel>my optical drive is an ide drive
23:06<abrotman>miguel: if you unplug the optical drive, do the errors go away?
23:06<abrotman>(yes, you should shut down to do this)
23:06<miguel>abrotman, nah my ide is hot swapable :P
23:06<abrotman>the OS may need to support that .. but it's your hardware
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23:12<miguel>if i remove cd drive my system wont boot
23:12<abrotman>it caught on fire ?
23:12<miguel>it will get stock at post
23:12<abrotman>the BIOS won't pass? or debian won't boot ?
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23:12<miguel>i puted back and it worked
23:13<miguel>^^, BIOS wont pass
23:13<abrotman>does it error? or just go slowly?
23:13<abrotman>your BIOS crashes ?
23:13<miguel>the system freezes with out the cd drive
23:14<abrotman>that's a tad bit odd
23:14<abrotman>can you deactivate that IDE controller/device in the bios ?
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23:15<ret>How do you force a rmdir to delete a folder if it's not empty?
23:15<abrotman>rm -r
23:15<miguel>owned :)
23:15<abrotman>ret: man rm
23:16<miguel>abrotman, i disconected my cd drive it booted and the error stills comes up
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23:16<abrotman>which error ?
23:16<miguel>softreset failed (device not ready)
23:16<abrotman>ah ok
23:16<abrotman>back up your HDD data .. it's dying in some way
23:17<ret>Ok, last question hopefully for the night: If a file is in a directory how do I bring it up and edit it via CLI?
23:17<ret>a text document*
23:18<miguel>nano file name
23:18<abrotman>ret: vi file .. or nano file .. $EDITOR file
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23:18<miguel>owned again
23:18<abrotman>but i typed way more ...
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23:18<abrotman>and i'm not losing all my data :)
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23:18<miguel>thats fuck up
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23:26<hashheadz>wowo i am back
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23:27<miguel>fuk i cant find a reason why im getting this error
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23:27<hashheadz>u know
23:27<hashheadz>do as we telkl or sit there wondering
23:28<hashheadz>does ur system work with badblock
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23:28<hashheadz>can u fdisk the drive
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23:28<hashheadz>we need to knwo if u have access to the drive
23:29<miguel>these 4 hd are in sofware raid 0. and the system is working fine fine
23:29<hashheadz>so can u co[y files to it
23:29<miguel>i can do everything normally
23:29<hashheadz>we talking bout jsut the drive not the array
23:30<hashheadz>as the array has other fixes to broken harddrives
23:30<hashheadz>that work undrer hood
23:30<miguel>i ran diags on the hd and they passed
23:30<hashheadz>doestnt matter#]
23:31<hashheadz>u harddrivve might ogf diassociated with the array
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23:32<miguel>ya but i get this error, when booting to the cds..
23:32<miguel>the cds = debian cd, ubuntu cd
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23:33<hashheadz>is it hardware array or a software array
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23:33<hashheadz>as that will make a difference
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23:34<hashheadz>did u set it up with the distro cd u are using now
23:35<miguel>i tried multiple distro cds, but yes
23:35<hashheadz>did the previious command work
23:35<hashheadz>befoer it didnt
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23:36<hashheadz>so it still more likily the drive is bout to fail
23:36<hashheadz>or the setup was n ot cohnfigured properly
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23:49<n3lab>any vsftp users here?
23:50<southernc>ask an actual question
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23:54<n3lab>southernc, i can't change chmod from ftp client( in vsftpd.conf chmod_enable=YES
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23:56<n3lab>southernc, i can't change chmod from ftp client( in vsftpd.conf chmod_enable=YES
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23:56<southernc>what do you mean you cant change it
23:56<God>hes an idiot
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23:56<n3lab>i mean that i can't change xD
23:56<Guest239>!nick G0D
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23:57<n3lab>so i haven't permissions
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23:57<southernc>you mean you cant change file permissions using vsftp
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23:58<n3lab>can u give me example of ur vsftpd.conf?
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