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---Logopened Wed Aug 12 00:00:05 2009
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00:00<n3lab>southernc, see plz/ this is my conf
00:00<n3lab>i can' find mistake((
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00:01<southernc>that only applies to local users
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00:02<G0D>wat bout the 077 bit
00:02<n3lab>mm.. but i have virtual_use_local_privs=YES
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00:02<groulder>i want a document outlining how to handle enterprise debian patch management.
00:02<groulder>who can help me
00:02<G0D>google it
00:02<groulder>who else can help me?
00:03<G0D>google has loads of ppl
00:03<G0D>to help
00:03<n3lab>G0D, and what about 077?
00:03<G0D>if he cant do somethign
00:03<dondelelcaro>groulder: what do you mean by enterprise debian patch management?
00:03<G0D>it look like he didnt have permission
00:03<groulder>i mean like
00:03<G0D>bit russty on octel stuff tho
00:03<groulder>you know how ms has wsus for windows servers
00:03<groulder>what is my linux alternative
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00:03<dondelelcaro>groulder: uh... I have no clue what wsus is
00:04<southernc>0777 is if youy wish for uploaded files to be executable
00:04<G0D>me niether
00:04<groulder>linux noobs.
00:04<groulder>jesus christ
00:04<n3lab>so u don't know
00:04<southernc>i just told you
00:04<G0D>how are we noob if u cant give us the dfeinitions
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00:04<n3lab>southernc, mm.. but i have virtual_use_local_privs=YES
00:05<n3lab>southernc, can u repair my conf?
00:05<groulder>dude how can you not know what wsus is, seriously.
00:05<dondelelcaro>groulder: if you mean, how can you deploy security updates to hundreds of servers, how you actually install them is up to you, but you just point them at or similar
00:05<groulder>is patches purely for security related issues
00:05<groulder>it's not updates to programs
00:05<groulder>that add new featuers for instances.
00:06<dondelelcaro>groulder: if you want to completely control it and have it automated, you run a local mirror which you vet updates, and cron-apt or similar.
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00:06<southernc>n3lab: i dont understad what you want to do lol
00:06<groulder>yeah i get you. good idea.
00:06<dondelelcaro>groulder: uh... in production, you certainly don't want new versions showing up. when you're ready to upgrade, you just log in, and upgrade the machine.
00:06<dondelelcaro>(but all of that said, if you actually *did* want new versions, you can do it trivially using cron-apt)
00:07<G0D>but local mirror onl;y good if u have bandwidth or a deployable system were systems help the distorbution of bandwidth
00:07<groulder>but doesn't do new versions right?
00:07<groulder>just security fixes
00:07<G0D>on alow end bandwidth soerver
00:07<dondelelcaro>groulder: it only does security updates.
00:07<n3lab>southernc, ok. 0777 - not helps( so my problem: i can't change file permissions (chmod) from ftp client
00:07<dondelelcaro>groulder: our stable releases only have security updates and updates for major usability issues with packagess
00:07<southernc>n3lab: the files are set staticly to umask 077
00:07<groulder>how do i back a patch out if it shits the bed?
00:07<n3lab>now at 0777
00:08<n3lab>not helps(
00:08<dondelelcaro>groulder: you install the previous version of the package
00:08<n3lab>ah mm
00:08<southernc>so your saying when you login your permissions are set to 0777
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00:08<dondelelcaro>groulder: by running aptitude install foopkg=fooversion; or whatever. man apttidue for details.
00:08<n3lab>so i must comment local_umask?
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00:08<groulder>nice. thanks mate
00:08<dondelelcaro>ugh. your umask is not your permissions.
00:09<southernc>if you login and your files are set to 0777 thats exactly what there supposed to be
00:09<dpkg>The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permissions. For example, a umask of 0022; would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permissions'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpage)
00:09<n3lab>i have this string
00:09<n3lab>mm wait i read :)
00:09<southernc>you dont get it
00:10<n3lab>i have it!
00:10<G0D>so is that the prob
00:10<G0D>the mask
00:10<groulder>it's a mask
00:10<groulder>get it.
00:11<G0D>i know what 755 and 644 differeebnce is
00:11<G0D>i was just wondering if that was the problem to his error
00:11<G0D>like i suffested
00:11<G0D>suggested even
00:11<n3lab> i add local umask 0777
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00:11<n3lab>not helps(
00:11<southernc>according to him its doing exactly as its suppose to
00:12<G0D>0777 is dangerous aint it
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00:12<southernc>means files are executable
00:12<G0D>thoguth so
00:12<dondelelcaro>ugh. NO.
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00:12<dondelelcaro>it means that by default files will be *AT MOST* 0700
00:12<southernc>i dont think he understands how vsftp works lol
00:13<dondelelcaro>if you want files to have some other permissions, set your umask
00:13<G0D>i dont know how it works but if he cant do a chmod... it means it aint the owner of the oring file
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00:13<n3lab>i am owner
00:13<G0D>no in wsftp u wont be
00:13<southernc>dondelelcaro: no it means they are exectuable
00:13<southernc>file_open_mode The permissions with which uploaded files are created. Umasks are applied on top of this value. You may wish to change to 0777 if you want uploaded files to be executable.
00:13<G0D>as u be working under the user u log in as
00:13<G0D>or the program looking at it
00:14<G0D>he watn to chmod it
00:14<G0D>so he has to be either owner or group owner
00:14<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
00:14<n3lab>G0D, i am owner
00:14<dondelelcaro>southernc: not if you have local_umask=0777...
00:14<n3lab>owner is user "vsftpd" and he is owner of all ftp files
00:14<G0D>ye but the script says as in ..a login user
00:14<n3lab>so problem is in conf
00:15<G0D>either the anon one u got in ur conjf or the other
00:15<G0D>so u wont be able to change non wsftp owner stuff like ur user name stuff
00:15<G0D>as u dont have the permission
00:15<G0D>unless u upload the file
00:15<southernc>im talking about the file open mode permissions i have no idea what hes changing / or saying he changed to 0777
00:16<n3lab>southernc, local_umask
00:16<n3lab>can anybody give me working conf?
00:16<southernc>local_umask should be 077
00:16<G0D>why dont u make a cron to change chmod manually for each file u uplaod
00:16<G0D>or change
00:16<G0D>as a quick fiz
00:16<n3lab>it was 077
00:17<G0D>ok make it 755
00:17<G0D>i thin
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00:17<southernc>how bout +rwx
00:17<n3lab>G0D, man i want to be able to change permissions from ftp client
00:17<G0D>who is running the server
00:17<G0D>the user
00:18<G0D>the user has to have permission to runn chmod
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00:18<G0D>ok when u log in
00:18<n3lab>he has
00:18<G0D>the client takes on the permission of the server prog
00:18<G0D>basicaly unless u cgance
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00:18<G0D>or use anon login
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00:18<G0D>which i saw
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00:19<n3lab>user "vsftpd" has all priveleges to shange chmod(
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00:19<southernc>n3lab: let me see if youve got this understood lets say owner balls owns file hairy and your logging in through ftp being user dirty you cant change the permission of the hairy balls file
00:19<G0D>ok does the user vsftpd have the right to change any file that user that logged in created
00:19<G0D>or does the user have it own name
00:19<G0D>that u created in the server
00:19<G0D>cos if u have
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00:19<G0D>then the user goign to hve to give permission to the group it in
00:20<G0D>e.g u run wsftp as user wsftp
00:20<southernc>cmds_allowed chmopd
00:21<southernc>cmds_allowed chmod in your config restart vsftpd
00:21<G0D>but wsftp has no rights to control the other fies it has access to unless it created em via it own remote client
00:21<southernc>i just gave him the answer to his problem
00:21<southernc>by default vsftpd only allows commans USER PASS QUIT
00:21<G0D>lil cheat code not included in example scripy
00:22<n3lab>i ll try
00:23<kvn89>is a comp sci degree a good first step in becoming proficient at networking and security? or is programming a whole different game
00:24<southernc>learning coding is the best thing you can learn about security
00:24<G0D>what u mean coding
00:24<G0D>u mean scripting
00:24<G0D>or u mean actaully machine code
00:24<southernc>c c++
00:24<southernc>perl php
00:24<kvn89>machine code = ASM ?
00:24<G0D>c is
00:24<G0D>c++ is a lil more stricdt
00:25<G0D>no as in HLA
00:25<G0D>ye asm#
00:25<G0D>bit rusty
00:25<G0D>perl not bad for script
00:25<kvn89>i took a C class already. it was so barebones i learned it and got an A, but i didnt really LEARN anything.
00:25<G0D>and if u want bit of hla/mc
00:25<southernc>go to a different school or self teach
00:25<kvn89>this semester its Data Structures and C++
00:25<G0D>u leant how and what pinters are for
00:25<G0D>they are the key to grabbing what info u want
00:26<kvn89>yea to reference points in memory, i believe
00:26<G0D>array are simple
00:26<G0D>it also references anything
00:26<G0D>if u know how to de reference things
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00:26<G0D>but disassembling is known to be i;;ega; fpr some kinda of things
00:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 389] by debhelper
00:27<kvn89>i want to be able to do it all. i want to get deep.
00:27<G0D>what u wanna do
00:27<G0D>make a game
00:27<G0D>or make a os
00:27<G0D>what allocate memory for a system os
00:27<G0D>make ur own emulator
00:28<G0D>make code readable by humans
00:28<G0D>like ppc and x86
00:28<G0D>8086 plus addons
00:28<kvn89>those are all great projects id likely learn a lot from, but in the end what about making money? i think id enjoy a network security job more than coding... theres just so many options, even once i narrowed it down to computers (that ive loved all my life)
00:28<southernc>G0D: i think you have ADHD
00:29<G0D>u make more money making a web bot
00:29<G0D>buy and selling off ebay
00:29<G0D>i wish
00:29<G0D>i was never dianosed it
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00:29<G0D>but i do havce bi polar
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00:29<southernc>G0D: i just diagnosed you
00:29<kvn89><--bipolar too... theyve put me on abilify lol
00:29<G0D>lol i havce depakote
00:29<G0D>i was on abiligy tho
00:30<G0D>amisulpride3 in essence
00:30<n3lab>with cmds_allowed=CHMOD i can't connect to ftp :(
00:30<southernc>wtf is that
00:30<G0D>then u need to make sure u ddnt error u conf file
00:30<southernc>thats not what io told you to add
00:30<southernc>cmds_allowed chmod in your config restart vsftpd
00:31<G0D>u mainly high or low then on ur bipolar
00:31<G0D>depakote is a mood stabilser
00:31<kvn89>mainly i was high though i believe
00:31<southernc>youi cant be mainly bolth
00:31<kvn89>stayed up late at night
00:31<G0D>next one up from ami chemicals
00:31<G0D>last straw type drug
00:32<G0D>i ahve hyper grandous thoughts:P
00:32<kvn89>ai can tell from your nick :)
00:32<G0D>lol difference is i can create oughts ..and cos there so thick bout how to make a compute rfucking resink i am crazypond to a voice command they thmy th
00:32<G0D>i have exrtemem highs and lows
00:33<G0D>just cant get in the middle
00:33<G0D>too much red bull ithinks
00:33<kvn89>do u sleep alot when ur low
00:33<kvn89>or do u stay awake and jus tbe depressed
00:33<G0D>ye...i jsut slept 18 odd hours
00:33<kvn89>yeah same deal with me
00:33<G0D>when i am high tho ..i can st for fucking dayzay up
00:33<kvn89>psychotic episode ?
00:33<kvn89>yep haha same here. dayssss
00:34<G0D>hmm what u mean pysctoic
00:34<kvn89>good times. the abilify cut me down to "normal" though, its crazy.
00:34<kvn89>not good, haha idk
00:34<n3lab>mm. oh now i can connect but this command not help( last config -
00:34<G0D>u mean where u get a legitrget the next day..and ppl bring it up and u tell em hows to do it..yet they thingk u are crazy stillu cant get start and u fo idea..but u so fuck
00:34<kvn89>psychotic as in, not accepted by other people i guess. heh
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00:35<G0D>fuck ....fucfking touch mouse fucking pad
00:35<kvn89>g0d i cant understand you i think you're typing faster than ... yea
00:35<southernc>lol #debian-offtopic
00:35<G0D>i meant
00:35<G0D>u get so high u get an idea that plausable
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00:36<G0D>but when u get to do it....u so high u can think stagiht and u wake up in morning go to doctors they ask u and they sad u are fucking stupid cos it not beleivable type thing
00:36<kvn89>but so grand and convoluted, that its no longer a reality
00:36<kvn89>but a very UNIQUE idea nontheless
00:36<G0D>ye but if u had 2 geeks like us we couldf make it reality
00:36<G0D>defo unique
00:36<kvn89>indeed. problem is you cant depend on anyone but yourself.
00:37<kvn89>at least thats hwo i feel
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00:37<G0D>or a film made pout of paper and a few chopstick like 300 off them..... foldered in a way to scoll round to make a 25fps with abycicle powering it
00:38<G0D>far enought he pap got to go at least 25 thingys a second
00:38<kvn89>i almost patented this gps tracking system. i outsourced on fell through because i didn thave neough money to give the guy to give me the source code, prototype worked. it worked over DTMF tones
00:38<kvn89>and radio
00:38<kvn89>WHOA what
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00:39<G0D>why do we need to patent... bi polar ppl can make anythign out of an idea that not patented so far
00:39<G0D>u must admit we can
00:39<G0D>like water travveling up a string
00:39<kvn89>patent = royalty
00:39<kvn89>a business
00:39<G0D>to drip backinthe bowl provideing the string water
00:39<G0D>self sufficeint power
00:39<G0D>slow but self sufficent
00:39<kvn89>oh a propetual motion machine?
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00:40<kvn89>isnt that supposedly to be against the laws of physics?
00:40<G0D>if u use the lag in delay of waeter going up string
00:40<G0D>no water travels upa tampax
00:40<G0D>and out if u let it drip
00:40<G0D>like lipmust paper
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00:41<kvn89>make a prototype
00:41<G0D>breb goig for rool up
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00:41<G0D>i wont
00:41<kvn89>y not
00:41<G0D>cos i have better ideas
00:41<G0D>and plus it takes money to patent
00:41<G0D>and i dont have that
00:41<G0D>like energy from lemons
00:42<G0D>u grown a thosands lemons treess u have energy to last long enogh to reproduce it selve maybe
00:42<alcove>a question if anyone here uses testing or unstable, a new install has a login in error and only works in single user mode
00:42<kvn89>im no expert on lemon trees :)
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00:42<G0D>fat enough u lose the lemon but thats not point of energy conversion
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00:42<southernc>alxcove what is the error
00:42<alcove>sudo something
00:42<G0D>maybeb it means no X session
00:43<G0D>or maybe sat in ramfs
00:43<alcove>I am in x as root
00:43<G0D>if so the filesystem was formatted incorrecdtly
00:43<southernc>how is anyone supposed to help you when you dont even know what the problem is ?
00:43<alcove>having installed lxde-common
00:43<alcove>well I could reboot and brb?
00:43<G0D>ok so he has no multi user enviroment
00:43<G0D>has he set it up
00:43<southernc>alcove dont bother
00:43<G0D>i dunno how to check soz guyz
00:44<southernc>what desktop manager are you using ?
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00:44<G0D><alcove> I am in x as root
00:44<G0D>u are in root as stated
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00:44<G0D>so u dumb fk
00:44<G0D>are u in x or not
00:44<southernc>oh gotcha missed that
00:44<alcove>yes I did did type that
00:44<G0D>are u in x or not
00:44<G0D>so u dumb fk
00:44<southernc>GOD bipolar go take meds now!
00:45<G0D>ok have u made a user name
00:45<G0D>or just root name
00:45<G0D>sorry root password
00:45<alcove>during install
00:45<G0D>ok havce u log in ur user name
00:45<southernc>when you try to login it tells you what ?
00:45<G0D>thanx southernc
00:45<G0D>im going for fag
00:45<alcove>cannot both root and user results
00:45<G0D>probably only needs x setting up
00:45<G0D>come on
00:45<alcove>rogin failure
00:46<southernc>wtf is rogin
00:46<G0D>u shouldnt take piss southernc
00:46<G0D>u worse the me
00:46<G0D>maybe he ment rlogin
00:46<G0D>im going for fag
00:46<G0D>cos i am laugh me tits off
00:46<alcove>no it is xxsudo
00:46<southernc>same haHA
00:46<G0D>maybe he needs to runn .... CMD
00:47<southernc>God stop my girlfriend is going to think i have more issues then i already do
00:47<G0D>u laughting top much
00:48<southernc>yea that was actually pretty funny
00:48<G0D>cant we jsut dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/ram
00:48<G0D>dunno what would happen but i wouldnt like the results
00:48<southernc>alcobe do you fleuntly speak english ?
00:48<alcove>I do
00:48<G0D>#what are u looking at alcove
00:49<G0D>are u looking at a black screen
00:49<G0D>or a screen with a tool bar like windows
00:49<southernc>if hes looking at a bar like windows hes fsked
00:49<alcove>I can also move my mouse
00:49<G0D>are u loged in as root
00:49<G0D>fk the mouse
00:49<G0D>i didnt ask that
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00:49<G0D>as mouse works in console
00:49<southernc>alcove open a cmd prompt and try logging in as the user
00:49<alcove>no that looks like a block in console
00:50<G0D>it a fucking mouse
00:50<southernc>no its a blinking cursor
00:50<G0D>it mouse with the mouse it a mouse cursor
00:50<alcove>I am in x
00:50<G0D>make a new user
00:50<alcove>iceweasel does not run in console
00:50<G0D>turn the pc off and leave for 10 dayz
00:50<southernc>i cant imagine why
00:50<alcove>good suggestion
00:51<G0D>iceweasel runs in a deamon
00:51<southernc>good lord
00:51<southernc>alcove try ubuntu
00:51<G0D>and a wemu demon if u cleaver unlike my spelling
00:51<G0D>no i thinkm em to use MANDRAKE we should tell
00:51<alcove>ubuntu is not a rolling distro : )
00:51<G0D>cos thats more of a nitemare
00:51<southernc>freebsd for a newb is a nightmare
00:52<G0D>never used it ...unless it is suse's based type thing
00:52<G0D>like debain is to ubuntu/
00:52<G0D>i cant speel fuck
00:52<alcove>I could try install gentoo again or try arch
00:53<southernc>how many have you tried so far ?
00:53<G0D>no dont try gentoo if u cant get ubuntu working
00:53<G0D>cos u no further get
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00:53<kvn89>G0D :
00:53<G0D>is that a light buld
00:53<alcove>slackware was my first distro then then redhat then debian
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00:54<southernc>alcove i think your lying
00:54<alcove>*not lying*
00:54<southernc>if you didnt know that iceweasel wont run in a console... i cant believe youve run slack
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00:55<southernc>popping in the bootdisk doesnt count
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00:55<alcove>I have iceweasel open so I am definately in x
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00:56<G0D>iceweasel will run in console...just that u cant view it in console that easilyu unless u using a vnc / acscii convertor
00:56<G0D>but it is possible
00:56<G0D>so dont misjudge the power of unix console
00:56<alcove>aptitude install xorg
00:56<G0D>and iceweasel////// mozillla/
00:56<G0D>i can run quake I ona console
00:56<G0D>i can run quake II ona console
00:57<alcove>so what would be the debian way to create a user these days?
00:58<alcove>so that it is configured for sudo and alsa wheel group etc?
00:58<southernc> adduser
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00:59<southernc>its a pretty generic command
00:59<southernc>for just about every distro!
01:00<southernc>sudo is just a way to run a regular user as super powers
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01:02<abraham>i hosed my system
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01:02<southernc>!congrats abraham
01:03<n3lab>oh my god
01:03<abraham>hit cntrl-c while dpkg-buildpackage was working
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01:03<n3lab>trouble was not with conf
01:03<n3lab>frouble was with ftp client in tuxcmd
01:03<n3lab>in filezilla all works pretty good :)
01:04<n3lab>southernc, thanks :)
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01:10<test>ok new user named test
01:10<test>is alcove
01:11<test>but still login failure as root
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01:18<edbian>What might cause a debian server to suddenly go unresponsive after 15-20 minutes of running?
01:19<edbian>There are no errors in any logs. I went through them all.
01:19<jm_>does it ever work after that?
01:19<test>memory leak, crash, file system filled?
01:19<edbian>not until I restart
01:19<edbian>hard reset that is
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01:20<edbian>test: The file system is definitely not filled. I am not aware of any memory leaks.
01:20<edbian>I could check though
01:20<jm_>did you try pinging it?
01:20<edbian>pinging it returns "Destination Host Unreachable" as if it weren't there at all.
01:21<jm_>do you have keyboard attached to it?
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01:21<edbian>This is a headless server. ssh and ping are what clued me in that it was unresponsive in the first place.
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01:21<edbian>After pinging and ssh were unresponsive I attached a keyboard and monitor too it and reboot.
01:21<edbian>After 20 minutes (not exactly but approximately) it goes unresponsive to pings and ssh again
01:22<jm_>are keyboard leds blinking when it happens?
01:22<edbian>I went to the physical machine (now with a keyboard and monitor attached) It was unresponsive there
01:22<test>power management settings
01:22<edbian>the led's are off (when previously numluck was on) and they do not respond to the caps lock or num lock keys
01:23<edbian>test: That simple?
01:23<test>when was it installed?
01:23<test>could be
01:23<edbian>When was debian installed? 3 days ago it was been doing this ever since I installed the system.
01:24<edbian>How do I edit power management via cli?
01:25<jm_>sounds like kernel locked, doesn't sounds like a panic then
01:25<test>my guess, is that it doesn't maintain enough system activity and shuts down the network card
01:25<edbian>test: Yes but the keyboard is also unresponsive
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01:25<edbian>I was thinking it was overheating? But the processor fan and PSU fan both work. And it doesn't shut off. It just appears frozen.
01:25<test>what does top say?
01:26<edbian>can't run top when it's unresponsive
01:26<edbian>keyboard doesn't work remember?
01:26<test>even thru the ssh
01:26<test>yes no ping
01:27<edbian>When the system in unresponsive the ENTIRE system is unresponsive. I cannot get a return ping. I cannot ssh, I cannot physically walk up to the machine and log in.
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01:27<edbian>Nothing works until I hard reset
01:28<test>system lenny stable?
01:28<edbian>which btw works great on my desktop! (This computer) :)
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01:29<edbian>test: But yeah, lenny. No GUI, lighttpd webserver, openssh ssh server.
01:29<phorce1>edbian: how much RAM? more than 1 stick? If yes then pull one out and try letting it run -- if it lockas still then swap them and try running with the other. SOunds like a hardware issue
01:29<southernc>how bout that cute option called memtest86
01:29<test>yes that first
01:29<edbian>phorce1: I have 1 stick of 128mb of ram (that were not in the system when I got it). I will try switching it out for the 64MB it came with.
01:30<southernc>just run memtesat86
01:30<edbian>This is a modest system :P
01:30<southernc>memtest86 in the boot options
01:30<edbian>yeah I know
01:30<edbian>I'll test it using memtest
01:30<jm_>I recommend you attach a monitor/serial console, disable blanking and wait for it to occur again
01:30<test>what does free say and how much swap?
01:30<phorce1>southernc: memtest doesn't actually always stress the RAM the right way. And if it's failing consistently within a few hours then it's just easier to test by popping out sticks
01:30<edbian>what does "Free" say?
01:30<edbian>It always fails within an hour
01:31<test>yes type free and it reports memory usage
01:31<southernc>lol its not meant to do a stress test its meant to test the integrity of the memory
01:31<edbian>I don't have access to the server right now. I will again tomorrow
01:31<G0D>has anyone done a route
01:31<G0D>see if it has a route to host
01:31<G0D>if irnet problem with live hostt is a network.inte
01:32<edbian>How do I disable blanking via cli? Also how do I edit power management via cli?
01:32<G0D>what does ur route command say
01:32<test>power managerment is a combination of kernel and applications'
01:33<G0D>cos i had this problem where the route gateway disappears
01:33<edbian>test: It's not one simple config file then huh. Should I set the noapci kernel option?
01:33<phorce1>southernc: let me rephrase -- I have had memtest report RAM as good after letting it run for over 24 hours on a system with random lockups. It still failed after trying memtest. Putting in different RAM fixed it
01:33<G0D>ok that means u got two clock rate memory modules differnt
01:33<G0D>try putting em in other way
01:33<G0D>so the slow ram is first onthe board
01:33<G0D>so it underclocks second chip
01:33<test>yes on some older systems, that have faulty bios, newer systems use apm
01:33<G0D>ins of overclock the slow onetead
01:35<edbian>I hope it's the ram. That's an easy fix for me. Any other (however wild ) suggestions for what the issue might be? I want to be rigorous tomorrow.
01:35<phorce1>G0D: stop spewing random answers that have nothing to do with the problem
01:35<test>edbian my own system requires noacpi
01:35<G0D>ok he says memory work fine on testing
01:35<G0D>the testing dont go over a certain speed
01:35<G0D>nowed if he needs the speed in a live system it fail
01:35<G0D>nowed if it the 400mhz and 333 mhz chips he got in stall
01:35<edbian>test: acpi=no, switch out ram, check "free", any other suggestions?
01:36<G0D>then it could be just cos it trying to runn 333mhz chip at 400
01:36<G0D>so swapping chips round would in essecnce make the 400 run slower at 333
01:36<G0D>and fix the temp problem that he may be having with that prob
01:37<edbian>Are random lock-ups a characteristic of overheating? Should I bother investigating the cpu temp etc etc ?
01:37<phorce1>G0D: it has ONE stick of RAM. How do you swap ONE stick around?
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01:37<jm_>blanking is controlled via /etc/console-tools/confog or using setterm manually
01:38<edbian>jm_: Very helpful. I would have forgotton about that! Thanks! :)
01:38<edbian>config = confog?
01:38<locsmif>foggy config
01:38<edbian>I hope not I have enough problems
01:38<phorce1>edbian: yes, could be cpu temp related. You can let it run until you see a lockup then do an immediate reboot and jump into bios to get an indication of how hot it's running (it'll cool some after the lockup and during the boot so you have to catch it quick)
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01:39<test>yes lockups can be a sign of overheating but also when the hardware such as memory has loosened from sockets
01:39<edbian>The pathetic bios of this ancient (possibly egyptian PC) does not report system temp. Don't get me started...
01:39<phorce1>edbian: assuming the bios is recent enough to have a "PC Health" page that shows temps
01:40<phorce1>edbian: ahh -- see
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01:40<test>no worries there just test with your hand if the air is warmer than the room temperature
01:40<edbian>test: when memory has loosened from the sockets? I think that maybe the issue. The socket holders on this mobo are a little strangely shaped
01:41<edbian>test: It's not. I was doing that earlier. It's cool.
01:41<edbian>I hope 64MB of ram is enough. Looks like that's what this server is going to run on!
01:41<test>esd also
01:41*phorce1 just got a touchscreen PC that appears to be built partly around some laptop board. Can't get it to boot from the SCSI CD drive. It has only ONE single laptop IDE controller connector. The SCSI is on a riser card that has one PCI and one ISA slot.
01:42<edbian>esd is a program?
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01:42<G0D>why dont u run a temop monitoring prog til crash
01:42<test>no electrical static damage
01:42<G0D>and then read the temp at reboot
01:42<G0D>then u know if it went high or unstabvle
01:42<phorce1>edbian: if it's not hot enough for you to OUCH DAMNIT! then it's not too hot to run reliably.
01:42<edbian>you think the ram was static shocked?
01:43<edbian>phorce1: It's definitely not that hot.
01:43<edbian>G0D: I am going to run "mbmon" just to see what happens
01:43<test>so if you haven't been in the case proceed with caution, of course to preserve your pc, I once shocked out a motherboard
01:43<jm_>edbian: yes config, sorry -- so the system has worked fine until now?
01:44<edbian>jm_: The system has been in my possession for roughly 36 hours. I have had debian on it and running for 35 hours. It has had this problem since day 1.
01:44<edbian>(hour 2)
01:44*phorce1 leaves the (earthed) power cord plugged ito the power supply and holds the metal case frame with one hand while poking inside with the other.
01:45<edbian>I am also very careful about static shocking my PC
01:45<edbian>I doubt the ram was esd'd but it isn't impossible
01:45<jm_>edbian: ahh OK, then it's worth trying all the options that people have suggested, especially disablign ACPI and APIC
01:46<locsmif>edbian, 64MB ought to be enough for everybody
01:46<edbian>is there a acpi=no and a apic=no kernel flag?
01:46<edbian>locsmif: 64K ought to be enough for anybody
01:46<edbian>-someone famous
01:47<phorce1>anyone know where the howto for doing a tftp net install is located? Looks like this oddball system might netboot OK.
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01:47<jm_>phorce1: installation manual should cover this
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01:47<phorce1>jm_: thx. Wasn't sure they stuck it in there specifically. I haven't had to do one in about 3 or 4 years
01:47<jm_>acpi=off, noapic
01:48<edbian>jm_: Thanks!
01:48<jm_>phorce1: 4.5. Preparing Files for TFTP Net Booting
01:49<edbian>G0D: jm_: phorce: locsmif: test: Thanks for all of your help!
01:49<jm_>edbian: it was 640k is enough for everyone ;)
01:49<edbian>I am eager to work on my server tomorrow! :)
01:49<phorce1>jm_: found it. The install manual is a big read. I didn't want to spend an hour searching through it only to find the info was elsewhere
01:49<edbian>jm_: lol
01:50*phorce1 had a Commodore VIC-20 that did wonders with a whopping 3K of RAM
01:50<jm_>c64 here, but some neighbour had vic20
01:51<phorce1>My first XT class machine ran fine with 64K at about 4MhZ too
01:52<edbian>You guys are ancient. My first computer was a pentium 1 133Mhz. 32Mb of ram
01:52<phorce1>(please note that there are no zeros after that "4" folks)
01:52<edbian>It was a server in my mom's office. Apparently all that qualified a server back then was that it was an excessively large case.
01:53<jm_>yeah I swtiched to PC-s only in 1990/1 - 386, had amiga 500 in between
01:53*phorce1 paid $5000+ for a 386-40 in 1989
01:54<edbian>phorce1 threw his money way
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01:55<phorce1>I ran DOS on it for several years then switched it to linux around kernel 1.2.x. It was still running fine in 1998 when I "retired" it
01:56<test>it could run freedos now, but dos is not multitasking
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01:56<jm_>desqview :)
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01:57<phorce1>test: sure it is. I ran a DOS based BBS on the machine and used it for personal games etc at the same time
01:57<phorce1>jm_: yep
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01:59<test>phorcel does debian have bbs software?
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02:00<test>night all : )
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02:04<ADAC>I wonder how do you guys encrypted instant messenger chat?
02:05<kvn89_>G0D u there
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02:08<phorce1>whoa, gone b4 I could answer. But, the last time I looked for Linux BBS software was 5 or 6 years ago and there were one or two.
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02:13<Ubuntu-perdido>Hola muy buenos días a todos
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02:47<torrentow>How to use xrandr
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02:47<dpkg>i heard xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection.
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02:50<torrentow>I downloading from torrent lenny i wailt 2 days i cant download dvd image platform powerpc
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03:26<dehqan>good day everybody ,in lenny how can glibc 2.8 be installed?is it in it's rep?
03:26<locklace>judd versions libc6
03:26<judd>locklace: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-23 sid: 2.9-24
03:28<dehqan>so changing libc6 version ,would not cause problems ?
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03:30<dehqan>PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/ /lib/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.8' not found (required by /lib/security/
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03:33<jm_>the solution to this problem is to not use binaries/libraries linked with glibc 2.8
03:33<jm_>not upgrade glibc to version 2.8
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03:35<dehqan>so PAM wants to use that
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03:37<rektide_>can someone help me with a SUID issue? i'm clearly missing something:
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03:39<rektide_>i've done SUID, but the executable doesnt seem to inherit the permissions
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03:40<jm_>is it a script? also, stracing suid executables won't work
03:40<rektide_>no its a real executable. even without strace, it still doesnt run
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03:44<rektide_>i dont understand how this executable can ignore its suid parameters like that. :/
03:44<rektide_>its just an ELF
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03:48<jm_>hmm I'll try something similar but first I have some work to do
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04:24<ilgiz>At me a problem with installation Debian. I establish with USB, in an installation time cannot find out CDROM as it is not present at me. By means of the utility on Ubuntu "Creation loading USB a disk" has written down on Debian how me to mount mine USB instead of CDROM? :-[
04:25<ilgiz>вы все говно!
04:25<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
04:25<klh>just put cdrom iso on your usb file ilgiz
04:26<deximat>Anyone know for some program for debian to backup k750 phone(contacts, sms... )
04:26<jm_>it won't help mentioning govno though
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04:26<jm_>deximat: did you try gammu?
04:27<deximat>i will try
04:27<jm_>lists k750 as fully supported
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04:28<deximat>can it go over blutooth?
04:28<deximat>or data cable only?
04:28<jm_>I don't know, check their docs
04:28<deximat>kk tnx a lot!
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05:04<xeon-enouf>try alt-f4
05:04<kubu>anyone how could direct me on gpg inserting using konsole.
05:04<kubu>whats wrong with this (pg --keyserver --recv 94C09C7F). konsole replies bad option
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05:04<xeon-enouf>then try alt-f2 and loop mount the friggin iso already
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05:05<xeon-enouf>it's likely not a 'konsole' issue? ... or is it
05:06<jm_>pg is a pager, surely you mean gpg?
05:06<xeon-enouf>kubu: you likely want sudo and pipe with a '-' or something
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05:08<kubu>yes, thankyou jm_, it was typo error. I left the p while coping.
05:08<xeon-enouf>man .. this keyboard SUCKS :-/ ..friggin dumps (brick+mortar mallwarts) want 50$ or more
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05:08<kubu>but i still don't know how to insert these pgp keys given by repos. I have the public pgp key but don't know how to insert it?
05:09<jm_>insert them where? which repo?
05:09<jm_>!apt-key 94C09C7F
05:09<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 94C09C7F ; gpg --export 94C09C7F | sudo apt-key add -
05:10<kubu>jm_for example if you take a look at the and there is a public key to be saved, thats where i get lost after that.
05:10<jm_>kubu: this is for help with debian, ubuntu has another channel
05:10<xeon-enouf>see the sudo and - bit
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05:11<xeon-enouf>and learn d-a-k and apt-key ... but yeah, wrong hannel
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05:12<kubu>jm_, but i am asking about hot insert these pgp things using konsole or any text message. Have a look at this,
05:12<jm_>kubu: no I won't look, dpkg told you how
05:12<xeon-enouf>you don't
05:12<xeon-enouf>you don't "insert these pgp keys given by repos"
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05:14<kubu>what do i do then, What is exactly to be written, dpkg writes of this 94C... thing how did he get that.
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05:14<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
05:14<jm_>go ask there if you're using ubuntu and don't understand what dpkg wrote
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05:15<kubu>ok. thanks for all your offer pals.
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05:56<AlterEgo>can someone help me please ?
05:56<sp>AlterEgo: depends... what is your problem?
05:56<AlterEgo>I am trying to install apache2 on a server
05:56<petemc>aptitude install apache2
05:56<AlterEgo>it's : Linux *** 2.6.18-6-xen-686 #1 SMP Wed Jun 18 01:17:40 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
05:57<AlterEgo>I tried with apt-get install apache2
05:57<AlterEgo>and the result is this
05:57<AlterEgo>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
05:57<AlterEgo> apache2: Depends: apache2-mpm-worker (>= 2.2.9-10+lenny4) but it is not going to be installed or
05:57<AlterEgo> apache2-mpm-prefork (>= 2.2.9-10+lenny4) but it is not going to be installed or
05:57<AlterEgo> apache2-mpm-event (>= 2.2.9-10+lenny4) but it is not going to be installed
05:57<AlterEgo>E: Broken packages
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05:57<sp>AlterEgo: see topic about the kick
05:57<sp>AlterEgo: you must decide which mpm to use
05:58<sp>AlterEgo: if you are using mod_php then I'd suggest using mpm-prefork... Use google to find details on this
05:58*xeon-enouf is brainfarting ... how am i supposed to test/try/use my newly built drm.ko {along with nouveau.ko, and ttm.ko} when my debian.30 already has it's own drm.ko? it was suggested via debian-x touse dpkg-divert .. i'm like; huh?
05:58<petemc>it should work fine with just aptitude install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5
05:58<jm_>no aptitude would be capable of installing the right one
05:58<AlterEgo>what was that aptitude command ?
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05:59<jm_>try apt-cache policy apache2-mpm-prefork
05:59<jm_>also aptitude why-not apache2-mpm-prefork
06:00<xeon-enouf>my built modules are in /lib/modules/`uname-r`/extra/ .. debian's is in /lib/modules/`uname-r`/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/ ... or somesuch
06:00<AlterEgo>Installed: (none)
06:00<AlterEgo> Candidate: 2.2.9-10+lenny4
06:00<AlterEgo> Version table:
06:00<AlterEgo> 2.2.9-10+lenny4 0
06:00<jm_>please don't paste here
06:00<jm_>!tell AlterEgo -about paste
06:00<xeon-enouf>depmod was run upon 'make install' and i even ran it again with -a IIRC
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06:02<AlterEgo>here is the error message
06:02<xeon-enouf>(my new modules were built against my running Debian .30 -headers)
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06:05<AlterEgo>I'm trying since yesterday morning to install the apache2 and php5 on that server w/o any result
06:05<jm_>how about apt-cache output?
06:05<AlterEgo>I've google it
06:05<jm_>put that on paste site too
06:06<azeem>AlterEgo: output the pastebin of "apt-get instlal apache2-mpm-worker"
06:06<azeem>pastebin the output
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06:06<AlterEgo>it's here
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06:07<xeon-enouf>hrm ... /me considers recompiling usinf m-a, which happened to fail when i tried it beforehand
06:08<AlterEgo>you are speaking to me ? :)
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06:08<xeon-enouf>yes, now i recall why - because i had to obtain sources from upstream
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06:09<AlterEgo>I don't want to recompile
06:09<AlterEgo>because if I lose control of the server ... I will never get it back
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06:09<xeon-enouf>AlterEgo: your alterego is egostistical
06:09<AlterEgo>it's far away and it's nothing there to put a keyboarb in case of kernel panic
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06:10*xeon-enouf has his own issues he's trying to resolve
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06:11<jm_>no, you should paste outputs of aptitude/apt-cache on pastebin, not compile
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06:13<AlterEgo>i don't know what is pastebin
06:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
06:14<dr|z3d>AlterEgo: You do now. :)
06:14<xeon-enouf>dr|z3d: 02:06 < AlterEgo>
06:14<jm_>you already pasted on - how can you not know what you just did?
06:14<dr|z3d>xeon-enouf: Some folk need battering. :)
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06:14<AlterEgo>tell me what command
06:15<xeon-enouf>jm_: perhaps one ego has some alzheimer tendencies?
06:15<dr|z3d>Either that or "special" needs.
06:15<AlterEgo>please just help if you can
06:15<jm_>xeon-enouf: hehe
06:15<xeon-enouf>dr|z3d: i probably do too (concerning my nouveau issue)
06:15<AlterEgo>don't make fun of me ! :P
06:16<AlterEgo>so using aptitude .... what is the command of installing apache2 ?
06:16*dr|z3d chuckles.
06:16<dr|z3d>AlterEgo: apt-cache search apache
06:16<dr|z3d>Then work out which package you need.
06:17<jm_>people already told you - learn how to search history in your IRC client, don't ask for the same thing twice or helpers will get annoyed and not help you
06:17<dr|z3d>irc != google.
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06:20<bash>Hey guys
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06:20<bash>Does anyone know where I can find replacement notification theme?
06:20<bash>The default one is rather ugly... :(
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06:23<welkin>hi, anybody use prim54usb wifi adapter?
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06:33<hense>Hi. I seem to be hit by (lvl3 switch working in some applications but not in most), any hints on a temporary fix or workaround?
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06:45<bash>Does anyone know how i can change the sound theme?
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07:37<klando>Can I get the cache hit-miss ratio for buffer-cache of a specific file with linux 2.6.30 ?
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07:40<gladov>Hi all! Anybody knows how can I install libstdc++ and other standart gcc libraries compiled for i386 on the system with i686 architecture?
07:41<Myriad>certainly not me! this is the first time I have used Linux so I am a bit stumped
07:41<Myriad>sorry bout that
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07:44<jm_>gladov: not with current debian anyway
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07:44<vvas>gladov: i386/i686 is the same architecture, only compiler options change, why is this important for you?
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07:46<jm_>I interepreted ir as running on i386, I suppose I was wrong
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07:47<gladov>vvas: yes, I can give an option for compilier -march=i486 and it works fine. On my machine :) But the target machine must have a dinamical libraries compiled for it.
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07:47<mohd>i need help
07:48<mohd>how to install intel driver
07:48<mohd>vega driver
07:48<nuscire>hi, guys. How to disable motd? I did have modified /etc/motd and /etc/rcS.d/ It used to work, but not now.
07:48<mohd>disable mohd ?!
07:48<jm_>nuscire: explain it in different terms - "disablign motd" makes no sense to me
07:48<mohd>mohd cant be diabled
07:49<nuscire>jm_: motd? it is motd.
07:49<petemc>man motd.tail
07:49<vvas>gladov: i'm not sure i understand
07:49<jm_>nuscire: I know very well what it is
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07:50<jm_>but what does "how to disable motd" mean?
07:50<vvas>gladov: if you want to compile dynamic libraries for a target computer that doesn't support i686 instructions... well just compile them
07:51<nuscire>jm_: hmm, everytime i login, it shows me something. I don't want to see these messages, so ..
07:51<jm_>nuscire: how do you login?
07:51<gladov>vvas: Yes, I want to compile them. How??? Where to get a sources?
07:51<nuscire>jm_: via shell prompt.
07:51<jm_>nuscire: you mean ssh or what?
07:52<vvas>gladov: you can get them with "apt-get source"
07:52<nuscire>jm_: ssh, and usual login.
07:52<vvas>gladov: but i'm still not convinced why you need this...
07:53<vvas>nuscire: just edit /etc/pam.d/{login,ssh} and comment out the pam_motd lines...
07:53<jm_>nuscire: for tty logins it's man login and read about .hushlogin, for ssh it's in /etc/pam.d/sshd
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07:53<gladov>vvas: thanks, i'll try it. And I really need a shared libraries compiled for i386 to put them to the device: it has no c++ libraries installed
07:53<vvas>nuscire: or alternatively just edit /etc/motd to contain nothing
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07:54<vvas>gladov: ok
07:54<southernc>edit motd in /var/run and also youll have to change /etc/default/rcS motd_update=no
07:54<vvas>gladov: just out of curiosity, what's the processor of the target machine?
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07:55<vvas>hm, i hadn't realised it lives in /var/run these days
07:55<AlterEgo>still can't get the apache2 installation :(((
07:55<AlterEgo>why don't you help me ?
07:55<southernc>yea its symlinked to /etc/default
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07:55<nuscire>jm_: hmm, okay. but my /etc/motd is empty. but when i reboot the computer, it's filled with original messages. i did modified /etc/rcS.d/
07:55<vvas>then the pam.d option is definitely the way to go
07:55<southernc>to /etc rather
07:55<AlterEgo>I've tryied "apt-get install apache2"
07:55<jm_>nuscire: <petemc> man motd.tail
07:55<AlterEgo>and it says broken packages
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07:55<southernc>apt-get -f
07:55<gladov>vvas: 486sx
07:55<southernc>to try and fix broken packagess
07:56<AlterEgo>also tried -f
07:56<AlterEgo>and --fix-missing
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07:56<nuscire>jm_: huh, thank you, jm_. thank you, petemc.
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07:57<southernc>this is happeneing cause you messed with sources.list and now have squueze/sid/testing/unstable
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07:58<nuscire>petemc: huh, man motd.tail, it's so clear! thank you again.
07:58<AlterEgo>and how do i solve the proble ?
07:58<AlterEgo>and how do i solve the problem ?
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07:58<southernc>well you gotta fifgure out which version of debian you wanna use
07:58<southernc>stable or unstable
07:59<AlterEgo>what ever works for apache2 php5 and mysql5
07:59<southernc>well they all do
07:59<southernc>but you kinda have most of one and some of another
08:00<southernc>!dpkg sources.list
08:00<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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08:01<southernc>so you gotta fix sources.list and run update then upgrade
08:01<southernc>and then you should be able to install apache
08:01<AlterEgo>where is the source list ?
08:02<southernc>thats for lenny
08:02<AlterEgo>can I pastebin what I have there ?
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08:03<southernc>did you install lenny or etch ?
08:03<AlterEgo>I don't know what is better
08:04<AlterEgo>lenny if it;s better than etch
08:04<southernc>well lenny is the newsest stable
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08:04<craigevil>AlterEgo: etch is oldstable, lenny is the current debian stable
08:04<AlterEgo>lenny then ...
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08:04<southernc>k hang on and i give fix your sources.list
08:05<craigevil>AlterEgo: in a terminal type cat /etc/debian_version or uname -a
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08:06<AlterEgo>Linux **** 2.6.18-6-xen-686 #1 SMP Wed Jun 18 01:17:40 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
08:07<craigevil>yes thats etch, you may want to reinstall using lenny install media or try upgrading to lenny
08:07<southernc>yea thats etch
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08:08<eljefe>Is anyone familiar with Hugin, the panoramic image maker? I am getting errors, "autopano-sift-c --maxmatches failed with error code: 255"
08:08<AlterEgo>this means that I must recompile ?
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08:08<chiku> <-- why I got this display bug on the line --color[PARAM..TRE] ? lenny fresh installation in vmware
08:09<southernc>alter ego
08:09<southernc>that would be for debian lenny after changing to that you do apt-get update
08:09<southernc>and apt-get dist-upgrade
08:09<southernc>if you want lenny
08:09<craigevil>southernc: he is going to want security and maybe volatile, would be better
08:10<craigevil>!tell AlterEgo about etch>lenny
08:10<jm_>chiku: is it OK if you don't use pager?
08:10<stevecotton>eljefe: that error message sounds as if you're not supplying an argument to --maxmatches
08:10<southernc>yea i messed that up
08:10<chiku>how I can do that? I typed "man ls"
08:11<AlterEgo>what lines to i have to replace ?
08:11<jm_>PAGER="" man ls
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08:11<southernc>Alter ego << make that your new config replace with your old sources.list and remove the # before the lines
08:11<craigevil>AlterEgo: use that you wil want to change to the country code where your at
08:12<eljefe>stevecotton: dunno, but the app is meant to supply the argument to autopano-sift-c
08:12<chiku>jm_, without pager, no display bug, but no color on the same line
08:12<southernc>only remove the # before like deb ftp deb http etc
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08:12<jm_>chiku: right, which pager are you using?
08:12<chiku>default one
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08:12<chiku>I just finish install lenny
08:13<eljefe>stevecotton: in the preferences I just hardcoded a value there and it worked, thanks a lot man!
08:13<stevecotton>eljefe: :)
08:13<jm_>pg? try with more or less then
08:13<chiku>so it's should be MORE
08:15<southernc>AlterEgo: it should look like this when your done
08:15<southernc>you should need sources if you do uncomment later
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08:18<southernc>hey craigevil how come on lxde you cant right click on desktop and create new/doc/folder
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08:18<southernc>there a way to change that or ?
08:19<AlterEgo>but i really need to comment the stable sources ?
08:19<AlterEgo>I see that your is commented
08:19<southernc>you can uncomment if you want
08:19<southernc>but you shouldnt really need the sources
08:20<southernc>depends on what you require for your pc so you be the judge of that
08:20<southernc>yup thats fine
08:20<southernc>and just update and dist-upgrade
08:21<AlterEgo>so now
08:21<AlterEgo>in that ordet
08:21<AlterEgo>apt-get update
08:21<AlterEgo>apt-get upgrade
08:21<southernc>apt-get dist-upgrade
08:21<AlterEgo>apt-get dist-upgrade
08:21<AlterEgo>all that 3 lines ...
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08:21<southernc>just update and dist-upgrade
08:22<southernc>and 3,000 files later youll have leny (:0P
08:23<AlterEgo>after that you think that I can install apache2 and php5 ?
08:23<xeon-enouf>haha @ "i have EDITMOTD=no in my /etc/default/rcS ... yet the new initscripts.postinst insists on turning my motd into a symlink. that counts as an edit in my books... please leave the file alone, period." Bug#353229
08:24<southernc>thats cause its symlinked top /var/run
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08:27<craigevil>southernc: you can if you have pcmanfm managing the desktop
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08:28<xeon-enouf>wasn't always southernc - but hey, shit happens, eh?
08:28<southernc>yea fun when stuff changes you can never keep on top of it all :)
08:29<xeon-enouf>!lart consolekit
08:29*dpkg drops a truckload of VAXen on consolekit
08:29<southernc>lol yea wonder when they plan on patching kernel/consolekit
08:30<southernc>craigevil: how do you do that
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08:30<craigevil>pcmanfm, Edit>Preferences>Desktop> check Manage the desktop and show the icons
08:30<AlterEgo>it needs a restart and is asking me to rewiev smth :)
08:31<AlterEgo> ssh openbsd-inetd cron____
08:31<AlterEgo>southernc is that ok ? :)
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08:31<southernc>its cause you have a new kernel version
08:31<southernc>that why you have to restart
08:31<xeon-enouf> | `-ck-launch-sessi,2545 /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-session-manager
08:31<AlterEgo>I can't aford to loose connection to that server
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08:31<AlterEgo>because it's far away :))
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08:32*xeon-enouf buys AlterEgo a plane ticket
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08:32<AlterEgo>I hope that is to Canada
08:33<southernc>well im not gonna promise you you wont have any issues but you shouldnt
08:33<xeon-enouf>nope; Conair :-P
08:33<AlterEgo>it's ok
08:33<AlterEgo>I love malkovich
08:33<southernc>i cant stand him
08:33<AlterEgo>it's done
08:33<AlterEgo>how can I verify ?
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08:34<southernc>Being john malkovich Zzzzz
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08:35<AlterEgo>cat /etc/debian_version
08:36<southernc>hmm craigevil thats what i have and when i right click on desktop i have no option to create document etc i have the lxde menu , reload config , applications , desktop
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08:36<xeon-enouf>any title starting with the word "Being" is doomed for epic failure
08:36<southernc>it was such a stupid movie
08:36<craigevil>right click on desktop shows, icons>, paste, Create New, Desktop Settings
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08:37<xeon-enouf>how's this "being ggw" . or "being jackasses"
08:37<southernc>they find a portal in a office and it lets them be john malkovich ..... wtf is that
08:37<AlterEgo>i've installed pache2
08:37<southernc>yes my son ?
08:37*xeon-enouf kills his OT ...
08:37<craigevil>southernc: keep in mind im running sid and the version of lxde in sid is newer or was last i checked than testing
08:38<AlterEgo>what now ?
08:38<southernc>craig i am to :)
08:38<AlterEgo>I also need php5 support
08:38<southernc>well squeeze/sid
08:38<xeon-enouf>omg .. IW just popped up a small window on lower right telling me there's an update .. haha, what is with this WindowsUpdate crap?
08:39<craigevil>southernc: what version of pcmanfm do you have? i have pcmanfm: Installed: 0.5.1+svn20090607-1
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08:39<craigevil>xeon-enouf: not its the annoying Gnome update-manager :)
08:39<southernc>i have the samwe version
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08:40<southernc>do you use the pcmanfm-nohal or just pcmanfm ?
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08:41<xeon-enouf>ahh, edit>prefs>advanced>updates
08:41<southernc>i wonder if its cause i dont have libmenu-cache-dev installed...
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08:42<southernc>yessums ?
08:42<AlterEgo>how can i install php5 ? :)
08:42<xeon-enouf>craigevil: heh, and Registry? :-p
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08:42<AlterEgo>apt-get install php5 ? that's all ?
08:42<southernc>apt-get install
08:43<jm_>!tell AlterEgo -about search
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08:43<southernc>who wants to waste there time searching when someone can do it for them!
08:43<AlterEgo>I'm a newbie
08:43<AlterEgo>a windows guru
08:44<southernc>i was happy to let you know AlterEgo ignore jm
08:44<AlterEgo>it's first time when I am using a linux disto
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08:44<craigevil>southernc: i dont think the -dev would matter but i do have it installed
08:44<southernc>yea i dont see why the development libraries would matter but
08:44<southernc>i cant think of anything else
08:45<southernc>brb lets find out
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08:46<southernc>yea nope...
08:46<craigevil>southernc: heres what it looks like when i right click>
08:46<marcel>hi, what is the best way to install one of the latest iceweasel/firefox?
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08:46<jm_>marcel: apt-get install iceweasel
08:46<jm_>or aptitude
08:47<marcel>jm_: thanks, but that not what i meant i want the latest version
08:47<jm_>marcel: that will give you the latest available version
08:47<southernc>compile it
08:47<craigevil>marcel: if you want iceweasel 3.5.1 take a look at >
08:47<southernc>jm no he means the latest available version not the latest stable version
08:48<craigevil>if you want 3.5.2 either wait or grab Firefox
08:48<jm_>southernc: yes, that installs the latest *available* version
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08:48<marcel>jm_: latest availible for debian lenny yes. but not for linux in gerneral.. tehre are newer version
08:48<jm_>marcel: in that case ask a more coherent question
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08:48<xeon-enouf>so say what you mean
08:49<southernc>craigevil: yea mine looks nothing like that
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08:49<marcel>jm_: pffff wel im sorry i quess.
08:49<marcel>craigevil: thanks ill have a look
08:49<southernc>actually i have more options just not the ones i want lol
08:49<dpkg>well, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
08:49<marcel>southernc: yes i understand but i though maybe there was a more correct way of installing
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08:50<southernc>might be a backport or something somewhere
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08:50<craigevil>southernc: nope, as it is iceweasel 3.5.1 is still in exp, not even in sid
08:50<marcel>southernc: no have looked
08:51<southernc>ahh guess your gonna have t compile :)
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08:51<craigevil>southernc: thats why i gave in and just grabbed Firefox, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv: Gecko/20090729 Firefox/3.5.2
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08:51<jm_>you don't have to compile, you can use mozilla's build and stick it in ~ or /opt or just wait for "glandium" to build it if he decides to
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08:52<don>sns syndrome, i spell that 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
08:52<southernc>well i thought iceweasel was designed scripted what have you specifically for debian not just the whole coppyright issue
08:52<southernc>but whatever
08:53<craigevil>southernc: it does get tweaks and security fixes
08:53<southernc>craig wheres the potleaf!
08:54<craigevil>hehe wife wasnt too happy with that background :)
08:54<southernc>aww divorce her
08:54<southernc>i dont even smoke pot and i liked it
08:54<don>in other news karmic just installed me firefox-3.5 (not shitake)
08:55<craigevil>souther heck no she lets me sit home on my lazy butt
08:55<don>err, shizake, or whatever
08:55<craigevil>southernc: you mean this one > :) i still have it installed
08:55<southernc>ahh you have kids ?>
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08:55<southernc>ahh there it is!
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09:17<xeon-enouf>finally. i found a place that sells 10$ keyboards
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09:21<southernc>mmm ten dollar keyboards
09:21<southernc>spill drinks often do ya ?
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09:22<stew>i just got a new multiple hundred dollar keyboard yesterday!
09:22*dr|z3d suggests crayons.
09:22*dr|z3d winks at enough.
09:22<stew>my 15 year old kineses has too many dead f keys
09:22<southernc>i got a merc stealth awsome keyboard
09:24<southernc>the keys can light up 3 different colors and 3 different brightness's
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09:27<xeon-enouf>i need disposable keyboards -in lots of 10 even
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09:27<xeon-enouf>i spill, pound, hammer, shoot, pummel ... you get the picture
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09:28<southernc>yea i was pretty pissed when i spilled a 40 on my keyboard the first day i got it haha but i just returned it and said it didnt work (:0/
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09:28<xeon-enouf>nice one .. try that once a week though :-p
09:29<southernc>i learned my lesson dont drink and type
09:29<xeon-enouf>no can do
09:29<xeon-enouf>they're all just so ... frah-Jill-eh
09:29<southernc>get one of those beer hats that hold two soda cans
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09:30<southernc>look uber 1337
09:30<xeon-enouf>why cant they make em waterproof. you know like touchscreens - like microwave and other appliances have
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09:30<southernc>cause they would loose alot of money lol
09:30<xeon-enouf>and yes, i want it for less than $10
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09:31<koollman>xeon-enouf: they can ... and they do. I'm not sure you can get them for that price though
09:31<xeon-enouf>koollman: righto
09:33<southernc>waterproof ultra slim foldable keyboard 10.99!!!!!!!
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09:35<xeon-enouf>SKM keyboard, Model 008-01801B-E - $185.00
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09:36<xeon-enouf>wow... that's some loud disneyworld green .. haha
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09:36<xeon-enouf>can i spray paint it?
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09:37<xeon-enouf>wait - where's all the _other_ keys haha
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09:38<xeon-enouf>are they under that lid on the left?
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09:46<xeon-enouf>pretty cool nonetheless - thanks southernc
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10:05<Soli>Hello everyone. Can someone point me to sarge's debian-non-US repository. dpkg, only seem to know about debian and debian-security for sarge.
10:06<petemc>sarge isnt supported any more, the only sarge packages you'll find are on
10:06<xeon-enouf>that 185$ one actually might make sense for someone like me; spend once on quality, that isn't so susceptible to spills / drinks / etc,.. - heck it even looks almost pleasurable to type on that thing (save for the missing Home/End keys, and a bit of a fugly arrangement of other ones, but..) if it's going to last. then it mightpay to get "used" to it's layout
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10:07<stew>xeon-enouf: which?
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10:09<southernc>for 185 dollars it better give blowjobs too
10:09<kardan>has anybody experiance with cone? i got this:
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10:09<chealer>!tell Soli about non-us
10:10<southernc>kordan why would you wanna use that...
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10:11<Soli>Thanks you, chealer. It must be left over from woody.
10:12<valdyn>Last updated 8 Jul, 2005
10:12<Soli>old don't neccearsly mean unless, valdyn. :)
10:12<valdyn>Soli: the point is not that its old, but thats its unmaintained
10:12<xeon-enouf>ahh, #
10:12<xeon-enouf>Number of keys: 102
10:12<valdyn>Soli: i wouldnt be using linux at al if i thought old was bad
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10:13<xeon-enouf>stew: is that just hand/wrist restsbelowthe spacebar?
10:14<Soli>Well, the pentium 90Mhz that run it isn't really maintained either. It's getting a big makeover today..
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10:15<southernc>routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed << either wrong protocol or bad certs
10:15<southernc>Without ssl: couriertls: connect: Connection reset by peer
10:15<southernc>thats most likely not the righjt one either
10:15<southernc>and there is more tjhen one type of secure connection
10:15<southernc>theres ssl port 995 theres tls which is 110 by default
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10:16<southernc>eww wtf
10:16<southernc>i didnt even paste i was just typing
10:16<koollman>Soli: Are you preparing some dark ritual that requires an old machine's corpse ? What was running on that kind of hardware :)
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10:20<Soli>koollman: We have a old ISA card that still work in it. It's connected to a old saturn II pbx.
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10:30<datacrusher>hi everyone!
10:31*xeon-enouf will bbiab
10:31<datacrusher>is this the official debian irc channel? does freenode gots only renegades?
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10:32<petemc>freenode was the official channel, its probably inertia that keeps people there
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10:33<datacrusher>but... why?
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10:33<datacrusher>the supporters of debian forced that move?
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10:37<datacrusher>oftc stands for?
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10:38<dpkg>somebody said oftc was the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing>.
10:38<petemc>!why oftc
10:38<petemc>!oftc move
10:38<dpkg> moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006 [see]. Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See
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10:39<pradyus>i have debian unstable installed on my system. the problem is for applications like iceweasel, flock (browser) and even for emacs, when i try to scroll the cpu usage of X goes up like crazy
10:40<pradyus>it, however works fine in konqueror
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10:40<pradyus>so i'm not really able to pinpoint the problem
10:40<pradyus>i'd really appreciate any help
10:40<pradyus>btw, i'm using kde under debian unstable
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10:42<datacrusher>how sad
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10:48<Zathraz>Hi. I upgraded a Debian Etch Server to Lenny. On it was mediawiki, so that moved from 1.7 (/etc/mediawiki1.7 /var/lib/mediawiki1.7) to 1.12 (/etc/mediawiki /var/lib/mediawiki)
10:49<Zathraz>LocalSettings.php is a dangling symlink in the new setup but is in the old config dir. Also upload dir is still in the old setup.
10:49<Zathraz>db is in old format so I need to run update.php
10:49<Zathraz>and now it becomes interesting as then I noticed paths are fubar
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10:50<Zathraz>how can I upgrade please?
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10:51<chealer>pradyus: with which X video drivers do you get this issue?
10:51<pradyus>chealer: how do i check that?
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10:52<chealer>pradyus: well, which did you try?
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10:53<pradyus>chealer: whatever got installed during the installation are there. i haven't changed or installed anything new
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10:54<pradyus>i'd appreciate any pointers on howto check which driver i'm currently using
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10:54<chealer>pradyus: X's log
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10:59<chealer>Zathraz: did you see README.Debian?
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10:59<spradnyesh>chealer: i'm sorry i might have gone offline for some time as i did not receive any messages for some time now
11:00<spradnyesh>did you say something that i might have missed?
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11:01<Zathraz>chealer, I looked at the upgrade info. tnx. stupid me had have to look there too of course. sorry
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11:08<kencausey>So, what's the status of the IceWeasel/FireFox/IceCat kerfuffle? I see that IceWeasel is still at 3.0.x in unstable and that it is no longer to be supported in Etch. Am I to take from this that I should go back to Firefox? Or?
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11:09<ml|>judd: versions iceweasel
11:09<judd>ml|: iceweasel -- etch: etch-security: lenny: 3.0.6-1 sid: 3.0.12-1 squeeze: 3.0.12-1 experimental: 3.5.1-1
11:09<bremner>no, you should upgrade to lenny
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11:09<kencausey>For years now I've simply been on unstable. It may be that I don't understand but doesn't that mean that I switch automatically when it changes (or possibly with a dist-upgrade)?
11:10<kencausey>Am I not currently on squeeze?
11:10<ml|>yes, support for etch will be over in a few months
11:10<bremner>kencausey: so why are you talking about etch?
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11:10<kencausey>To be confusing. ;) No, it was just a datapoint regarding IceWeasel, quite possibly an irrelevant one.
11:11<bremner>iceweasel is still supported in lenny, and to the extent that squeeze is supported, in squeeze
11:11<bremner>but you are running sid, if you are running unstable
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11:11<ml|>well, if you are on sid install from 3.5.1-1 from experimental
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11:11<kencausey>/etc/debian_version says 'squeeze/sid' whatever that means
11:12<ml|>you are on testing/squeeze then
11:12<kencausey>What do I need to do to move up?
11:13<bremner>kencausey: pastebin your source.list
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11:13<bremner>kencausey: sources.list
11:13<craigevil>cat /etc/debian_version on a system running sid will also say squeeze/sid
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11:13<ml|>craigevil: it does, thought was only for testing users
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11:14<stew>yes, the /etc/debian_version in testing and unstable will say some form of "testing/unstable" until we get very close to an actual release
11:14<craigevil>ml|: no i run sid and thats what it says
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11:14<stew>ml|: no, it can't, since the base-files package doesn't change when it migrates from unstable to testing
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11:14<kencausey>I admit I don't keep track of release status too well.
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11:15<craigevil>the only way to really know is to check sources.list or lsb_release -a if you have lsb-release installed
11:15<ml|>ok, yes makes sense, always better to look at sources.list anyways, thanks for the info
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11:15<bremner>kencausey: yup, that is sid
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11:15<kencausey>I guess I need to update myself on the current version statuses
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11:18<craigevil>how do i change conky so the background isnt transparent or how can i change the text color to say black?
11:18<dr|z3d>craigevil: Check the conky site.. plenty of help and instructions there.
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11:23<kencausey>ml|: So what's the preferred way to cherry-pick a package from another release? Simply download it and any dependencies manually and install or is there something better/simpler?
11:23<stew>kencausey: /msg dpkg ssb
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11:24<stew>kencausey: basically, you recompile the source from another version against the libs in your version
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11:25<ml|>but he is on sid
11:25<edbian>For all of the people that have been helping me with my lenny server that has been locking up. I've had the system up with a different ram mod for 1 hour and 13 minutes. So far so good!
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11:26<ml|>edbian: good luck
11:26<edbian>ml|: Thanks! And thanks for the help :)
11:26<Casnik>General Bash question
11:26<Casnik>colors ... in Vi
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11:26<bremner>kencausey: what other release to you want to cherry pick from?
11:26<petemc>:syntax on
11:26<bja>!congratulate edbian
11:26<dpkg>Yay edbian, you did it!
11:27<edbian>bja: Thanks! :)
11:27<ml|>edbian: trying what jm_ suggested?
11:27<ml|>and others
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11:27<edbian>uh... I don't remember exactly who suggested it. I put in a different stick of ram.
11:28<ml|>kencausey: do you want experimental firefox?
11:28<ml|>bremner: i think that is what he meant
11:28<kencausey>ml|: Well I want 3.5 of whatever firefox/iceweasel is likely to continue to be supported/prefered
11:29<kencausey>bremner: experimental, for firefox/iceweasel 3.5
11:29<kencausey>i'm reading using the ssb info now
11:29<craigevil>kencausey: if your on sid just install iceweasel from experimental
11:29<Casnik>how do I get vi to use colors by default
11:29<ml|>kencausey: add to you sources.list deb experimental main
11:29<kencausey>craigevil: Yes, I just needed a refresher on the best way to do so and was pointed to /msg dpkg ssb
11:30<kencausey>ml|: Isn't that going to move everything to experimental when I do an update/upgrade?
11:30<ml|>then just aptitude updated && aptitude -t install experimental iceweasel
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11:31<kencausey>I guess I'm a littel oldschool, I've not used aptitude
11:31<bremner>doesn't he need /etc/apt/preferences?
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11:32<kencausey>It should perhaps be noted that this system is many years running now and is getting rather crufty. I think I installed unstable around when potato was unstable
11:33<kencausey>which is a statement of the power and flexibility of Debian that I have been able to do this ;)
11:33<ml|>i use /etc/apt/apt.conf with APT::Default-Release "testing" here, but is that needed for sid?
11:33<Casnik>thanks , you edit /etc/vim/vimrc and comment out the " in front of syntax on
11:33<Casnik>oh my bad , google got me
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11:34<craigevil>ml|: i have it in mine but at one time i had quite a few packages from exp installed
11:34<ml|>Casnik: #vim on freenode might be more help for vim stuff
11:34<kencausey>actually, that's probably wrong, more likely sarge was unstable when I installed, this system is not that old
11:34<Casnik>yeah but the was debian specific
11:35<Casnik>other distros do it by default somehow i've noticed
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11:36<ml|>craigevil: just as a precaution?
11:36<craigevil>ml|: pretty much , packages from exp arent normally installed unless you explicitly tell them to install
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11:37<ml|>craigevil: ok, thanks for the info, didn't think stuff from experimental would install on there own
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11:40*kencausey begins to suspect building iceweasel package from source package is going to require a host of build dependencies
11:41<craigevil>kencausey: if your on lenny take a look at>
11:41<bremner>can I just edit /boot/grub/ to an entry for an external usb drive? I'm trying to make the external drive bootable, but grub-install complains
11:42<ml|>kencausey: it was suggested, for you to just install from experimental since you are on sid
11:42<bremner>nevermind. found --recheck
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11:43<kencausey>ml|: I was following the ssb directions as pointed out to me earlier.
11:43<kencausey>craigevil: will do
11:44<ml|>kencausey: that is for lenny users
11:44<kencausey>which I'm not, good point
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11:45<kencausey>ml|: So what is the final consensus on what I should do? modify apt.conf to be sure I have a default release specified and use aptitude as you described?
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11:45<ml|>kencausey: sure, to be on the safe side
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11:46*kencausey starts by installing aptitude
11:46<ml|>yours will say APT::Default-Release "sid"
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11:47<craigevil>kencausey: put APT::Default-Release "unstable"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf, add experimental repo to your sources.list then aptitude update && aptitude -t experimental iceweasel
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11:47<kencausey>craigevil: thanks
11:47<craigevil>that will give you> iceweasel: Installed: 3.5.1-1
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11:48<kencausey>hmm, is it normal to not even have an /etc/apt/apt.conf yet?
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11:49<craigevil>whoops that should be aptitude -t experimental install iceweasel
11:49<stew>kencausey: if you are running sid, why would you need to mark it as your Default-Release?
11:50<stew>I can't think of a reasonable situation where having Default-Release as sid would be needed
11:52<kencausey>stew: I could well be confused. I've add experimental to my sources.list, isn't it then going to want to upgrade to everything in experimental that I have installed?
11:52<stew>kencausey: experimental is non-automatic
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11:52<kencausey>OK, this is a new concept to me
11:52<stew>kencausey: you should see that in apt-cache policy
11:52<stew>kencausey: you probably shouldn't be using experimental
11:53<kencausey>even for iceweasel?
11:53<kencausey>version tracking is way behind at this point
11:54<ml|>craigevil: shouldn't it be aptitude install -t experimental package-name ?
11:55<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
11:55<craigevil>ml|: hell if i know, i use apt-get :) apt-get -t experimental install foo works here
11:55<ml|>craigevil: ok
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11:56<ml|>stew: thanks i know, it was just an example
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11:56<ketao>ban con oi
11:59<kencausey>stew: Let's put it this way, if this completely breaks iceweasel it's not the end of the world as I am mostly using opera anyway. I would just like to be able to use the latest version of firebug for javascript debugging.
11:59<stew>kencausey: what if it completely breaks everything and makes it so that you cannot login to your computer anymore?
12:00<Casnik>then you just made a windows box imo
12:00<craigevil>kencausey: even using exp iceweasel is a version behind mozilla firefox, although xulrunner-1.9.1 is version:
12:00<kencausey>stew: admittedly, a PITA
12:00<stew>kencausey: did you check the bts?
12:00<kencausey>stew: check what in bts?
12:01<kencausey>that iceweasel in exp is not completely borked?
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12:01<stew>kencausey: yes, for any packages you are about to install from experiemntal
12:01<kencausey>no, but it's a very good suggestion
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12:02<kencausey>craigevil: I thought I was being a good Debian citizen by using IceWeasel and not Firefox.
12:02<craigevil>kencausey: the version of xulrunner in exp can break epiphany if your using it but it works just fine with iceweasell
12:02<kencausey>I'll admit the whole issue is less than clear to me
12:02<craigevil>kencausey: i have both Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv: Gecko/20090730 Firefox/3.5.1 (Debian-3.5.1-1) and mozilla firefox 3.5.2
12:03<ml|>kencausey: you might want to install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges if you don't have them already
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12:07<ml|>i think everyone using testing and sid should have those installed in their system and READ them before installing/upgrading anything
12:08<danners>hey my dpkg/apt forgot which packages are installed how can i get back from this state?
12:08<Linux^Warrior>hello ppl I need help. I am trying to install Mplayer for ubuntu 5.10 & cannot get the thing to launch I have mplayer 1.0rc2 & I have to install manual since apt or any other manager cannot od it anymore
12:09<danners>oh already have the solution....
12:09<Gekz>Linux^Warrior: so many things wrong with this situation
12:09<rudi_s_>!tell Linux^Warrior about ubuntu
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12:10<Casnik>Ubuntu isn't debian ... it just wants to be (but not really)
12:10<Linux^Warrior>I have the folder in my home folder how do I get it o install?
12:10<Linux^Warrior>uuumm 5.10 is debian
12:10<Casnik>+ ninjas
12:10<Gekz>5.10 is 4 years obsolete
12:10<Gekz>you wont even get support in the correct channel
12:10<Gekz>ie, not this one
12:10<bja>Linux^Warrior: You will get more help at #ubuntu @
12:11<Linux^Warrior>freenode are morons
12:12<Gekz>says he who uses an obsolete distribution and expects people to jump to his aid
12:12<Linux^Warrior>geks ever thing for once that I have an old laptop for internet
12:12<Linux^Warrior>No I di nto think you did
12:12<Casnik>sorry but truthfully I can't even begin to help you with your Mplayer problem
12:12<Linux^Warrior>did not*
12:13<Linux^Warrior>ok where can I get the codecs for totem
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12:13<Gekz>its not like the system requirements have changed in 10 years
12:13<Linux^Warrior>been googling it nothign but moron sites that give u everything but what u need
12:13<Linux^Warrior>geks I cannot run 8 or 9 its 256mb ram 32mn video 1 gig proccessor
12:13<Casnik>that's all I would do...
12:14<Casnik>google ftw
12:14<Linux^Warrior>so YEAH it has changed
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12:14*Linux^Warrior sets mode +FAILED geks & ignores him
12:15<ml|>lenny should run on that, just fine
12:15<Gekz>so tell me how I'm running a modern distribution on 1GB of RAM with a 630MHz CPU
12:15<Gekz>all modern distros would run on that just fine
12:15<Linux^Warrior>because you do not know how to read 1 gig proccessor 256mb Ram 32mb video Away fool
12:16<Gekz>I can read
12:16<Linux^Warrior>i WILL not repeat myself again
12:16<Gekz>you have a fundamentally flawed understanding of how to get help
12:16<Casnik>(without paying for it)
12:16<Linux^Warrior>geks you have a fundamentaly failed understanding how to give help
12:16<Gekz>You're a joke
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12:17<Linux^Warrior>so is your attempts to give help
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12:17<bja>Linux^Warrior: your machine will run lenny flawlessly, i have several with less capabilities, although you have to be carefull on the setup
12:17<Linux^Warrior>simple quesion how do I manually install codecs for totem
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12:18<Linux^Warrior>well how big is the download?
12:18<sney>netinstall is about 100MB
12:18<stew>Linux^Warrior: sorry, this is the wrong channel for help with ubuntu.. please try #ubuntu on instead
12:18<weasel>netboot is even nicer
12:18<Linux^Warrior>I need the gui
12:18<sney>then it selectively downloads what else it needs, usually comes out below the full size of a CD iso
12:18<Linux^Warrior>had my fill with text mode :P
12:18<sney>the debian installer is pretty idiot proof
12:19<weasel>Linux^Warrior: this is #debian. not #ubuntu.
12:19<weasel>Linux^Warrior: we cannot and do not want to help you.
12:19<Linux^Warrior>ubuntu runs on base of debian
12:19<sney>weasel: so we can help him install debian then, ya? :D
12:19<weasel>sney: sure
12:19<Casnik>lets do it!
12:19<weasel>sney: only maybe we'd better not
12:19<Gekz>weasel: very good.
12:19<sney>pft it's not like annoying people aren't *allowed* to use it. and maybe he'll calm down once he's not on a brown OS designed for old people
12:19<Linux^Warrior>LISTEN FOOLS, totem is debian ubuntu & other distro's not just ubuntu Awnser or please STFU thx
12:20-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
12:20<dr|z3d>"can o' worms"
12:20<Linux^Warrior>fuck u all then im out
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12:20*dr|z3d laughs.
12:20*bremner waves in a friendly way
12:20<sney>dunno how we're supposed to give support for something we don't use
12:20<@weasel>too bad
12:20<@weasel>and I had such a nice kick msg
12:20<Gekz>< Linux^Warrior> geks you have a fundamentaly failed understanding how to give help <-- Such a quotable.
12:20-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
12:20*dr|z3d waves in a friendly way also (two fingers).
12:20<Casnik>should make a channel called #obsoleteshitfernubs and auto move people who ask stuff about it into that abyss
12:21<chahibi>Gekz: it is not #linguistics :p
12:21<Gekz>chahibi: I am aware of this.
12:21<Gekz>but he couldn't even get Gekz right
12:21<sney>the ubuntu devs must hate us, isn't it their fault that their xchat install comes here by default
12:21<Casnik>bet he plays alliance retribution paladin
12:21<Gekz>sney: yes
12:22<bremner>sney: actually, it is their fault, completely
12:22<chahibi>sney: does it?
12:22<sney>and it's an easy bug to fix, obviously, I could fix that in my sleep
12:22<Gekz>maybe we should make duplicate bug filings
12:22<sney>chahibi: hence how all the ubuntu-using IRC illiterates wind up here somehow
12:22<Gekz>on their bug traeckers
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12:24<Casnik>MacOSx (desktop) -> Esxi 4 (in a windows VM) -> Debian 3.1 (5 servers) and Debian 4.0 (4 servers)
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12:24<Casnik>Learning opensips
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12:24<Casnik>compiling from source ...
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12:25<AlexMax>I need to upgrade lenny's kernel to the latest 2.6.30, is there a guide that shows how to do it the debian way?
12:25<Casnik>any of you done the Openser thing?
12:25<AlexMax>this is the best i found but it's a little old
12:25<weasel>AlexMax: you could install the one from bpo?
12:25<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
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12:26<AlexMax>thank you, I really didn't want to compile from source
12:26<sney>bpo has debs
12:27<sney>sources.list is how you tell apt where things are
12:27<sney>oh wait nm
12:27*sney just woke up -_-
12:29<Gekz>lol, that ubuntu dork just joined ##Linux on freenode
12:29<AlexMax>hey i use ubuntu too :(
12:29<AlexMax>not the box i was asking questions about tho
12:29<Gekz>AlexMax: not you
12:30<Gekz>I said ubuntu dork, not saying all ubuntu users are dorks
12:30<Gekz>but this specific dork that uses ubuntu
12:30<AlexMax>why what was he doing
12:30<Casnik>OLD ubuntu
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12:30<Gekz>obsolete ubuntu
12:30<Casnik>Mplayer on 5.10
12:30<AlexMax>what the
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12:31<Casnik>wanted help with codecs and what not
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12:31<kop>I'm trying to print from konquer and get "Library files for "" not found in paths." But /usr/lib/kde3/ exists. (I'm running lenny.) What's the problem here?
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12:34<AlexMax>Once i install the backports kernel, does it automatically become the default kernel on reboot?
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12:34<southernc>the newest kernel is always first in the list
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12:34<kop>AlexMax: Generally yes, if it's newest.
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12:34<southernc>mmeaning 2.6.28 would come before 2.6.26
12:35<AlexMax>yep it does look like
12:35<AlexMax>menu.lst's default is 0 and the first kernel on the list is 2.6.30
12:36<southernc>sometimes it doesnt though but most odf the time it will
12:36<southernc>like Ie using custom kernels
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12:42<chealer>kop: ask #debian-kde
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12:49<abraham>why does apt try to uninstall all of gnome because i want to uninstall swfdec-gnome
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12:51<abraham>i want flashplugin-nonfree to work
12:51<abraham>but i cant make it
12:51<Sallin>probably because the dependencies expire
12:51<sney>it probably thinks the rest was installed automatically
12:51<abraham>gnome requires swfdec-gnome
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12:53<xeon-enouf>ml|: (AFAICT) even better than sources.list (to check which suite of debian one is running; stable/testing/sid) is to look at the libc6 version (dpkg -l libc6) ; apt-cache policy ; whatever
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12:54<sney>cat /etc/debian-version
12:55<abraham>sney, no such file
12:55<sney>oh what was it called
12:55<ml|>abraham: just install non-free flash the use alternative system to pick the one you want with update-alternatives --config
12:56<kop>chealer: Thanks. I already sent in a bug report so I guess I'll just wait for that.
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12:57<abraham>why cant i customize my gnome
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12:57<chealer>abraham: "apt"? what do you do exactly?
12:58<abraham>aptitude purge ~c swfdec-mozilla
12:58<abraham>tries to remove all of gnome
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13:01<southernc>abraham its much easier to customize your insalled desktop by using the minimum packagees then adding stuff on that you want
13:02<southernc>for instancd xserver-xorg-core gdm gnome-core will give you a minimal gnome desktop
13:02<southernc>without all the other crap added on
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13:04<chealer>abraham: please show the output
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13:05<abraham>im gonna see if restarting will make it use the new flashplayer
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13:06<southernc>that was a waste of a restart
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13:18<bremner>hmm, unetbootin can boot to second stage on my laptop with a usb key, but not with a USB hard-drive. Is there anything to configure like a delay?
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13:22<craigevil>he doesnt need to remove swfdec, just do update-alternatives --config
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13:28<ml|>craigevil: yup, guess he missed the part when i suggested that, oh well
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13:37<ComradeHaz>Hi all, trying to upgrade an unstable box and getting the following: "E: Couldn't configure pre-depend libc6-i386 for lib32stdc++6, probably a dependency cycle." Please advise! :)
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13:39<rufensis>VPN question: I configured my laptop's vpn with network manager and everything works well. It's a pptp connection. I'm now trying to configure my home media server with command line, especially since I'd like to ssh into it to put it behind the vpn. I'd like to use the config file generated when I configured the laptop yesterday, but I can't find it anywhere! Does network manager place configurations elsewhere than /etc/ppp/peers?
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13:58<chealer>when are LKM-s loaded automatically? I'm trying to understand why nvidiafb loads on a certain system.
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14:02<ml|>chealer: fyi, it does not here
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14:02<kop>chealer: I always assumed the kernel was probing the hardware. In other words, magic that happens when you decide to modularize when compiling the kernel. To rephrase: I dunno.
14:03<chealer>ml|: for me neither. some reader of says it does on his system, which causes problems. thanks anyway
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14:04<kop>Why is "apt-file update" complaining that does not exist? (I looked with a web browser, it does not.) Is my dns pointing to a bad mirror or do I have a misconfigured sources.list or something? Everything else (i.e. aptitude) seems to work fine.
14:04<kevin01123>Is there a trick to getting strigi to work in Debian testing?
14:05<ml|>chealer: actually need it to load now since i'm using grub2[grub-pc] without it tty resolution defaults to 640x480 using a debian kernel
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14:08<chealer>kevin01123: did you ask #debian-kde?
14:08<kevin01123>chealer: Sure didn't.
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14:11<chealer>kop: because it indeed does not exist. the security mirror doesn't offer file contents.
14:12<kop>chealer: So why is apt-file trying to get it? If it's a bug, everybody's should be broken.
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14:25<azraelru>Hi all. The syslog daemon writes -- MARK -- every 2 minutes. Can I change this interval?
14:26<Web-sidux920>i'm having problems running pgadmin3, tring to start it i have this log :
14:26<azeem>azraelru: are you sure it's every two minutes?
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14:26<azeem>it's usually every 20 minutes
14:26<Web-sidux920>have you any clue on how to fix it ?
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14:26<azraelru>oops, 20 minutes
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14:27<azraelru>self-answered :)
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14:37<abraham>ok the new flashplayer works on reboot
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14:37<|GOD|>it usualy work without a reboot
14:37<|GOD|>unless u did a new kernel
14:37<abraham>not here
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14:38<abraham>prolly just had to logout and back in but i rebooted
14:38<|GOD|>not ever a log out needed
14:38<ml|>did you try restarting iceweasel yeah or that
14:38<|GOD|>ye a restart of ice weasel tho u would possible need to do
14:38<abraham>i restarted epiphany lik 20 time
14:39<abraham>gnome was still looking to swfdec
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14:39<|GOD|>then u had to restart gdm
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14:39<abraham>thats why i said a logout login would probably have worked
14:40<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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14:40<chealer>kop: apt-file isn't aware of which sources provide file contents
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14:42<ml|>abraham: so you did update-alternatives ?
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14:45<abraham>mlj no it was automatic
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14:48<ml|>automatic when you installed flash non-free?
14:49<abraham>yes after restarting it just worked, but i did have to restart. just restarting epiphany didnt work
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14:49<|GOD|>u didi not have to restart ur pc
14:50<|GOD|>only gdm at most
14:50<|GOD|>or pres ctrl and back bspace and alt
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14:52<ml|>ok, if you would have used update-alternatives --config and restarted your browser should have worked fyi
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14:54<abraham> isnt the one im using
14:55<abraham>its flashplugin-nonfree
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14:55<davromaniak>good evening
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14:56<ml|>yes, that configures whatever flash you want to use, have installed tho
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14:56<davromaniak>I can see on the debian svn that the nagios apt-watch has not been updated for nearly 3 years, I would like to know if anybody knows if this project is still alive ?
14:57<ml|>abraham: try it and see
14:57<abraham>its allready working
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14:57<abraham>ill do that next time i hose my system
14:58<siragon6>no se ingles
14:58<ml|>i know, it was for you to see
14:58<ml|>dpkg: tell siragon6 about es
14:58<davromaniak>by the way, the nagios apt-watch system isn't working on debian lenny
14:58<siragon6>no se ingles
14:59<ml|>siragon6: Por favor /join #debian-es
14:59<abraham>ok i get it it asks which to use
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15:00<davromaniak>if this project is sleeping (I don't like to say a project is "dead"), is there's any way to resume working on it ?
15:02<abraham>davromaniak, have you emailed the maintaner?
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15:02<davromaniak>no, and I planned to do it
15:02<davromaniak>but I thought I can find some immediate answers on IRC
15:03<ml|>abraham: if you want to see what alternatives are being used ls -la /etc/alternatives or using update-alternatives
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15:07<abraham>ok ml| what is the reason some are red and some are blue?
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15:08<abraham>and even more are green
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15:09<jimkl>hello,im using lenny and want to use KDE 4.2 on there any good reference that shows how that can be done ?
15:10<ml|>they are symbolic links, green for binaries, manpages for red etc...
15:10<jimkl>i found some steps at
15:10<jimkl>but the post says that its no longer valid
15:11<|GOD|>aint it apt-get install kde-base
15:11<Hydroxide>jimkl: you might be able to get some old kde 4.1.4 backports at but that's unmaintained. there's no official Debian version of kde 4.2 for lenny
15:11<Hydroxide>jimkl: you can try compiling from source or upgrading past lenny
15:12<abraham>kde says they will never support debian lenny
15:12<abraham>for kde4
15:12<jimkl>and why is that ?
15:12<chealer>jimkl: ask #debian-kde
15:12<abraham>not sure
15:13<Hydroxide>abraham: do you mean kde upstream or debian's kde team?
15:13<Hydroxide>ah. well then that wouldn't be a #debian-kde question
15:13<|GOD|>is lenny deb 3
15:13<|GOD|>like etch is deb 4
15:13<Hydroxide>|GOD|: lenny is debian 5.x.x
15:13<abraham>lenny is 5
15:13<|GOD|>oh right
15:13<|GOD|>i rusty
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15:14<locklace>so much for omniscience
15:14<Hydroxide>jimkl: to avoid confusion, check kde's system requirements om ... if lenny is compatible with those, compiling from source should work, but you'll need to turn to a kde support channel in case there are problems with that, not #debian
15:15<jimkl>Hydroxide: ok
15:15<Hydroxide>jimkl: if it's not compatible, you can probably compile other dependencies from source, but again, that's beyond the scope of #debian
15:16<|GOD|>u could run kde in a chroot enviroment wiht other deb version
15:16<abraham>hydroxyde sid is all that is supported at this time i believe. just because of the lib requirements
15:16<Hydroxide>abraham: squeeze too, at least as far as 4.2+
15:16<Hydroxide>abraham: squeeze already includes 4.2
15:17<Hydroxide>but, yes, he might well have to compile newer libraries for it to work on lenny
15:17<abraham>oh i wasnt sure at the time i ran sid it was only sid
15:17<Hydroxide>testing evolves :)
15:17<abraham>hydroxide thats a dangerous system
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15:18<Hydroxide>no, it's the point of testing
15:18<jimkl>should this work ?
15:18<Hydroxide>abraham: if you want a version of debian that mostly doesn't change except for security and critical bug fixes, use stable
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15:19<Hydroxide>abraham: if you want to be following what will become the next stable release, with packages becoming available after a certain amount of QA but with fewer guarantees, and with some security support but less than with the stable release, use testing
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15:20<Hydroxide>abraham: if you want to run the newest packages uploaded by debian developers, use sid/unstable, but realize it'll break sometimes and you have to be able to fix it without asking #debian. experimental also has additional packages with more disruption and fewer guarantees than sid
15:20<Hydroxide>generally for more major changes before going into sid
15:20<abraham>i see
15:21<Hydroxide>eventually the testing distribution (currently squeeze, formerly lenny, and etch before that) will become stable and a new testing distribution will be created as a copy of sid
15:21<Hydroxide>and the old stable will become oldstable, and will be security-supported for about a year after that change
15:22<Hydroxide>jimkl: don't expect that to work with lenny, no
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15:23<chealer>jimkl: ask #debian-kde
15:23<Hydroxide>jimkl: it does work on squeeze and sid, though... that page was mostly written as the debian kde team was preparing to get kde4 into (post-lenny) debian, but the overall instructions are still mostly applicable
15:23<ml|>Hydroxide: good explanation :)
15:23<Hydroxide>ml|: thanks ;)
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15:25<abraham>i think i will be happiest with testing
15:26<ml|>make sure lenny is up to date before moving to testing
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15:27<ml|>abraham: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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15:29<ml|>abraham: if you do move i suggest you install apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs also ask dpkg about them
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15:31<|GOD|>dunno what version of deb i use
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15:31<|GOD|>but i use kde
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15:32<ml|>use lsb_release -a if you have it installed, or simply look at your sources.list
15:35<Hydroxide>or check /etc/debian_version
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15:44<deniz>ifconfig gives me my inet it possible for me to choose what i want the ip to be exactly? (like to change it manually i mean)
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15:46<abraham>deniz as long as you are behind a router that does nat you can use any on the specified network
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15:47<abraham>you have to set it up in /etc/network/interfaces
15:47<ml|>edit /etc/network/interfaces man interfaces first tho
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15:50<deniz>abraham, ml|, iface wlan0 then next space and tab address myipaddress ?
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15:51<abraham>deniz run "man interfaces"
15:51<woocyfear>hello everybody
15:51<abraham>and read
15:51<abraham>you will learn something and there less chance of a mistake
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15:52<deniz>abraham, can you explain in words this part of the manual please?:
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15:53<abraham>thats what an interfaces file looks like
15:53<dondelelcaro>deniz: what about it?
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15:54*bja reads on his agenda "Today is a great day to exercise patience my little grasshoper"
15:54<woocyfear>i need some help
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15:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
15:55<deniz>dondelelcaro, -home and up flush-mail is what i dont get, other than that, am i on the right track to changing my inet address manually?
15:55<woocyfear>i installed a deb package with dpkg, and now i would like to remove it
15:56<dondelelcaro>deniz: -home is just the name of the iface for that stanza, and flush-mail is a script that is called by the up rule.
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15:56<dondelelcaro>deniz: you'd use something like eth0-home if you had a mapping rule or were using guessnet
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15:56<ml|>woocyfear: did you try with aptitude?
15:56<bja>woocyfear: dpkg purge #name_of_package#
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15:57<woocyfear>dpkg -r package - not found package
15:57*dpkg removes package - not found package along with a pound of flesh from woocyfear's body, then staples woocyfear back up with a staple gun.
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15:59<bja>woocyfear: check that you have the correct name of the package
15:59<woocyfear>it's a game 'tremulous'
16:00<deniz>dondelelcaro, what's a mapping rule and what's guessnet?
16:00<woocyfear>the game is working, but i can't remove it
16:00<ml|>woocyfear: did you try with aptitude?
16:00<dondelelcaro>deniz: if you don't know, then you're looking at the wrong example
16:00<abraham>woocyfear, how did you install it
16:01<dondelelcaro>deniz: it's primarily of use for people who use laptops, and want their machine to automatically figure out what network they're on. Nowadays, almost everyone uses network-manager
16:01<bremner>or wicd
16:01<woocyfear>it was a deb package, but i'm not sure, perhaps .bin
16:02<abraham>if its a .bin file there is usually an uninstall option
16:02<deniz>dondelelcaro, o so now that i saved changes, how do i reset things to default?
16:02<abraham>run it with --help to get a list
16:03<abraham>if you still have the .bin
16:03<ml|>deniz: next time make a backup before editing any config files just incase, if you don't have one already
16:04<woocyfear>but i don't have the package already
16:04<abraham>if it was a .deb then run aptitude purge tremulous tremulous-data
16:04<ml|>woocyfear: didn't you say you used dpkg to install?
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16:05<woocyfear>yes if it was a deb package, but i'm not sure what was it
16:05<abraham>too bad for deniz
16:05<ml|>woocyfear: so you are not sure what you did then?
16:06<woocyfear>i installed already half year before
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16:08<woocyfear>i'm not sure what i did then
16:09<abraham>try running aptitude search tremulous and remove the installed packages
16:09<woocyfear>not found
16:09<ml|>try aptitude show package-name if you know the name or apt-cache search package-name and try what abraham suggested
16:09<bja>woocyfear: either way, go to the site of the program and search a way to install it again, and from that poit of view uninstall it accordingly
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16:10<woocyfear>i got it on cd
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16:10<bja>woocyfear: a sledge hammer aproach would be to reinstall the whole os, but i believe that would be an overkill :)
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16:11<abraham>bja, what about a file search for tremulous and just delete the directories
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16:11<abraham>and the binaries
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16:12<abraham>of course some files will be left
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16:12<abraham>but the bulk of space will be regained
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16:14<bja>abraham: that would be more like a manual surgical aproach which should work pretty well
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16:15<abraham>woocyfear, are you just looking to regain space
16:16<bja>abraham: usually games have a ~/.name_of_game directory
16:16<woocyfear>i am new in linux and i would like to know how remove the installed packages correctly
16:17<ml|>aptitude remove or purge package-name
16:17<ml|>man aptitude
16:17<abraham>well when its installed with a bin file some also install an uninstall script in the program directory
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16:18<woocyfear>i found it on the net
16:18<woocyfear>it was a .run
16:18<ml|>i should say if you installed use aptitude, apt-get, or dpkg -i
16:19<loudergood_> check the readme then
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16:19<bja>woocyfear: look for it on your system and if you don't have it ask on their site how to uninstall it
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16:19<kop>woocyfear: The biggest mistake new Linux users make is installing programs that don't come with debian itself. Always use aptitude (or apt-get or synaptic or whatever) because the debian team makes sure it's software all works together.
16:20<ml|>yeah, if you didn't use any of the above, you need to the read the docs of whatever you manually installed
16:21<kop>woocyfear: Of course you're free to do what you want, but if you install things from hither and yon you'll have to do the hard work of keeping them working together with everything else, over time as upgrades come out especially.
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16:22<ml|>and manually remove
16:22<goathoof>I have ELFCLASS64 errors..
16:23<goathoof>any ideas?
16:23<ml|>woocyfear: do you want to learn about how debian/linux works?
16:23<abraham>goathoof, install the 32bit libs
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16:24<goathoof>which ones?
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16:25<abraham>not sure whats the whole error say? dont paste more than 2 lines in here though
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16:25<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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16:26<goathoof>it's when it tries to start x
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16:28<abraham>goathoof, what did you do last?
16:29<abraham>or is this a new install?
16:29<goathoof>well it broke after I tried to do updates
16:29<abraham>do you have a console login?
16:30<goathoof>amd64 sid
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16:31<abraham>try apt-get install -f
16:31<abraham>see what it says
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16:37<ahmed>pls how can i change the file manager on debian 5 to the pcmanfm
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16:38<locklace>ahmed: debian pretty popular in tunisia?
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16:38<abraham>ahmed click on edit in nautilus and choose preferences and click on behavior and check always open in browser windows
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16:38<abraham>i think you'll like that
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16:39<ahmed>locklace, no in tunisia they don't use it well
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16:43<ahmed>it's ok i think i fixe the problème that i have
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17:08<woocyfear>i downloaded a orginal .run file
17:09<woocyfear>and installed again
17:09<woocyfear>but i don't know how to uninstall it
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17:10<abraham>run the run file with --help
17:10<abraham>or read the instructions at the website you got it from
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17:11<woocyfear>at help there is no uninstall option
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17:13<woocyfear>there is no instructions on the site
17:13<kop>woocyfear: Contact the developers, or read the code and find out what happens when you install.
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17:14<woocyfear>it copies into /usr/local/games/tremulous/
17:14<ml|>there are docs included with it?
17:14<woocyfear>and makes some symlink
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17:15<woocyfear>there is a pdf, but nothing about uninstall in it
17:15<woocyfear>and there is a uninstall executeable
17:16<bja>woocyfear: try to walk backwards on the install process, it would be also helpfull to see if you have any directories with the same time as the one on your binary
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17:16<woocyfear>but when i run it i get
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17:16<woocyfear>Could not find a usable uninstall program. Aborting.
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17:17<abraham>view the uninstall file and see what it calls for
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17:21<woocyfear>i think this is in the last 10 rows
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17:23<woocyfear>/usr/local/games/tremulous/.manifest/tremulous.xml is exists
17:23<woocyfear>but $HOME/.loki/installed/bin/`DetectOS`/`DetectARCH`/uninstall is not
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17:24<woocyfear>what could i do now?
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17:26<bja>woocyfear: take a look at the sledge hammer aproach :)
17:26<woocyfear>i don't understand
17:27<bja>forget it , it was a joke
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17:28<treize>I usually install software through a package manager (apt-get). If it is not in the repositories I naturally do a source compilation. What happens later when I want to update the program installed through the source compilation? I read the manual section for apt-get detailing the use of "equivs" but it clearly states that you should only use it if you know what you are doing. Is there an easier way short of producing a custom deb? How do the pros contend with
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17:28<asaleem>Is there a way to find out which DHCP server has assigned the IP?
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17:29<sney>treize: remove it, compile it again, install it again. it's slightly tedious but it's safe and you can even script it
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17:29<xeon-enouf>treize: the pros make a .deb and install it ;-)
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17:30<treize>sney: I would but sometimes the makefile doesn't contain a uninstall target and I'm not too makefile savvy to grok where it is installed
17:30<ml|>checkinstall might be useful
17:30<treize>xeon-enouf: sadly i am not a pro =(
17:31<dpkg>methinks checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. | Not in etch because of bug #281823 Ask me about <stow>.
17:31<treize>ml|: what is checkinstall?
17:31<treize>dpkg: thanks
17:31<dpkg>treize: sure thing
17:31<ml|>hehe :)
17:31<treize>u too ml|: thanks
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17:34<ml|>treize: search debiam forums for 'how to build a package the smart way' or something like that that will help you understand it some more
17:34<xeon-enouf>!package basics
17:34<dpkg>hmm... package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at
17:34<treize>seems prudent since there is no other way
17:35<treize>is dpkg a bot?
17:35<locklace>dpkg: are you a bot?
17:35<dpkg>no idea, locklace
17:35<ml|>dpkg: bot
17:35<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
17:35<xeon-enouf>!what are you
17:35<dpkg>I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>.
17:35<dpkg>Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See for more. NOTE: <Blootbot> (fork of infobot) has now replaced infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old.
17:35<dpkg>lay off me you buggerererers!!11!
17:35<xeon-enouf>!where were you
17:35<dpkg>I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE!
17:36<ml|>dpkg: tell treize about selftell
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17:37<treize>hours of fun
17:37<southernc>if you say so
17:37<bja>as long as the owner of the bar doesn't stand out and tells you to stop playing with the bot
17:38<ml|>that's where /msg dpkg comes in ;)
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17:40<chaos>rm -rf /usr /var <-- how do i "fix" that? :s
17:40<bja>chaos: easier walk, would be a full reinstall
17:40<stew>chaos: how recent are your backups?
17:40<southernc>chaos you dont
17:40<ml|>if you have a resent backup restore them
17:41<chaos>no backup
17:41<southernc>then wave goodbuye
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17:41<bja>!beer chaos
17:41*dpkg pours a pint of Yuengling Lager for chaos
17:41<chaos>well it won't die until i reboot, right? :P
17:41<bja>youll need that
17:41<ml|>chaos: why you do that?
17:41<bja>nop, but you will not be able to run any other program that requires a lib
17:42<chaos>i have an old systems drive mounted in /mnt/ and i wanted to delete that usr & var
17:42<southernc>ha usr/ not /usr
17:42<chaos>but it's late
17:42<ml|>rm /mnt/usr
17:42<southernc>been there done that
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17:43<chaos>but ... but ... i'm so screwed if i have to restart from scratch :(
17:43<southernc>not necassarily
17:43<bja>chaos: if you find an other way, lmk
17:43<ml|>well do you have a seprate /home partition?
17:44<bja>chaos: do you have a rescue disk?
17:44<chaos>this box was installed like 20 years ago
17:44<ml|>well, backup data /etc or anything you might need or wanrt and reinstall
17:44<chaos>replaced mobo/cpu several times :)
17:44<southernc>dpkg: tell chaos about cloning
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17:45<chaos>dpkg doesn't know cloning
17:45<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, chaos
17:45<bja>locklace: you posted once some forensics programs that you coul use, do you still have the urls?
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17:46<southernc> clone><rinstall><things to backu p>
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17:47<chaos>i'll look into that tomorrow :s
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17:51<strefli3>Am I reading "last reboot" correctly? Is this box restarting once an hour?
17:52<strefli3>I didn't find the humor in this...
17:52<sney>has someone been messing with your cron jobs
17:52<sney>it seems like a prank
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17:52<strefli3>I just checked mine and roots and nothing looks suspicious.
17:53<sney>there isn't really a practical reason to have a scheduled 1 hour reboot
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17:56<strefli3>I just checked all users cronjobs and nothing is even in there.
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17:57<sney>hmm, weird.
17:58<strefli3>I have a log that looks suspicious, I am going to try to extract the interesting portion of it and post it up.
17:59<strefli3>it appears that every time syslogd restarts it makes the box restart.
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18:00<sney>check the syslogd init script
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18:03<strefli3>starting and stopping the daemon didn't reboot the machine, and I did not notice any reboot or shutdown commands in there...
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18:05<werwaqer>have u check it is doing a shutdown or just crashing the system cos of currpot file
18:05<werwaqer>shutdown/ restart
18:05<valdyn>strefli3: why would syslog restart every hour?
18:06<valdyn>strefli3: if not *because* whole the system is being restarted?
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18:07<werwaqer>could be something do with the restart script in cron file
18:07<werwaqer>ccron file / conf
18:07<werwaqer>mayeb a remote user is restarting it
18:07<werwaqer>just to have a laugh
18:07<werwaqer>but then we dont know if it doign a full restart
18:08<werwaqer>or just a shutdown now type reboot
18:08<werwaqer>or wether it is not resartin the right init
18:08<werwaqer>like init 6 u diong
18:08<werwaqer>not init 5 oer some other gui telini
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18:10<strefli3>That syslogd message is actually after the reboot.
18:10<werwaqer>but it should all say ina log file somewhere
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18:10<werwaqer>what is happening unless u disabled the logs for that cron
18:11<strefli3>werwaqer, bare with me while I get through your questions,
18:11<strefli3>This machine is not on the internet, so a remote users should be out of the question.
18:12<werwaqer>i would make sure the cron job is return to the right init
18:12<southernc>can you get in a console or ssh session with this machine if you can it should say going to down for maintainenance/reboot etc if it says nothing its prolly crashing
18:13<werwaqer>i suspect it was the way he added the cron job
18:13<werwaqer>that the prob
18:13<southernc>a cron job wont restart/shutdown a computer unless that is the cronjob
18:14<southernc>it would send a error message to the root account
18:14<werwaqer>so what happens when he restarts manually the cron job
18:14<strefli3>there is only a single cronjob on the box, and that is for cacti's poller which runs every 5 minutes.
18:14<werwaqer>ok so the cron not the cacti poller
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18:15<werwaqer>as cron is working
18:15<werwaqer>doign it job right
18:15<werwaqer>does it reset on every hour from when it on..or when it is a specif minute inthe hour
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18:17<strefli3>It appears to reboot every 60 minutes, 1:44,2:44,3:44,3:45. 44 to 45 because of boottime.
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18:18<werwaqer>so it not clock determined it boot time determined
18:18<werwaqer>like a every 60 mins restar job
18:19<werwaqer>20 second boot to cron job...not bad
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18:19<xeon-enouf>LANs do not mean remote
18:20<werwaqer>LANs mean Local Accessable Network
18:20<werwaqer>or AREA if u picky
18:20<xeon-enouf>so cut out this "This machine is not on the internet, so a remote users should be out of the question."
18:20<southernc>local area network
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18:20<werwaqer>i was taking mick southernc
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18:21<xeon-enouf>it could evenbe a hardware issue IF your cron is calling some specifis harwdareusage not always needed
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18:21<werwaqer>i recken he added a command that rebooted or told the cron to shutdown
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18:21<werwaqer>so it goes in to reboot
18:22<strefli3>What is my best bet to solve this problem?
18:22<werwaqer>by mistake
18:22<werwaqer>when adding it
18:22<xeon-enouf>also check mtime/ctime of /etc/inittab
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18:22<strefli3>I have really never touched anything in cron,
18:22<southernc>you gotta know what the problem is before you can fix it
18:22<werwaqer>look at what was accessed last at :44 mins
18:22<southernc>youve checked kern.log dmesg for errors warning....
18:23<strefli3>How do " look at what was accessed last at :44 mins"
18:23<xeon-enouf>since it's local, ssh in or attach a serial terminal
18:23<strefli3>I am sshed right now
18:23<southernc>look through the logs in /var/log
18:23<werwaqer>i would disable the cacti polling just incase it was that doing it first
18:23<xeon-enouf>and you don't have to sit there and wait (random reboot situation)
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18:23*xeon-enouf would disable all crons
18:23<werwaqer>and then it wont reboot in 20 mins
18:23<explicit_>hey guys, this might sound like a stupid question but i've got an amd athlon 64 system and i want to use it as a server, should i download amd64 or i386?
18:24*southernc doesnt think it has anything to do with cron
18:24<xeon-enouf>there's incrontab/inotify
18:24<werwaqer>i386 if u not use to using linux
18:24<werwaqer>as amd64 has some minor issues with certain hardware
18:24<southernc>since when ?
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18:24<southernc>its backwrd compatible
18:25<southernc>x86_64 can use 32 bit or 64 bit
18:25<strefli3>I've got a meeting, I'll be back in few hours, hopefully I'll have some info, thanks for the help thus far.
18:25<werwaqer>ye and i386 is best if u new to everythign is related on net to i386 by default
18:26<xeon-enouf>you sure nobody setup something like a memtest86+ for every hour? ;-P
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18:26<explicit_>i'll try i386, that's what the readme initially recommended but i saw amd64, it threw me a little
18:27<werwaqer>if u not use to linux at all
18:27<werwaqer>just stick to i386...for first time
18:27<explicit_>yea, i'm completely new
18:27<southernc>werwaqer: there is absolutely no difference other then flashplayer lol
18:27<ml|>explicit_: if you have more than 3.4gb of memory? or plan to use more than that?
18:28<werwaqer>ye and what do everyone want initally
18:28<werwaqer>a flashplayer
18:28<explicit_>i've got 1gb ram, 300gb hard drive
18:28<southernc>werwaqer: yea and that problem was fixed months ago
18:28<explicit_>i want to use it as a web server
18:28<werwaqer>else the bitch bout internet not workign right
18:28<ml|>but do you on using more than 3.4gb?
18:28<werwaqer>web sever then use amd64
18:28<explicit_>and for hosting files
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18:28<explicit_>so yea
18:29<werwaqer>what bout if he wanted to use mathematics.... 64bit is usuful for that too
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18:29<southernc>werwaqer: right but that has nothing to do with hardware/things not working
18:30<ml|>really only matters if you plan to use more than 3.4gb and are going to use apps that take advantage of what 64bit has to offer
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18:30<werwaqer>ok does amd64 kernels come out same time as a i386 one
18:30<werwaqer>or do they delay it by a bit..or depending on who is lookign after the kernel for it
18:30<southernc>same time
18:31<werwaqer>oh right....
18:31<southernc>ever seen a distro not offer just 1386 and not amd64...
18:31<werwaqer>what bout drivers for some cards taht dont have amd64 support yet
18:31<southernc>you dont get it
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18:31<werwaqer>and that are nasty at compling due to mistakes in the amd64 code
18:31<southernc>amd64 has 32 bit backwards compatibility
18:31<werwaqer>i do get it
18:32<werwaqer>amd64 has native 32bit compatibilty
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18:32<werwaqer>it has a /lib64 directory and a /lib32 directory
18:32<werwaqer>not native
18:32<werwaqer>it is alongside
18:32<werwaqer>native is i386/i686
18:33<southernc>umm you just contradicted yourself
18:33<werwaqer>no i would use a i686 optimised system over a amd64 supported system at the moment
18:33<werwaqer>unless i built it al from source
18:33<southernc>glad you like no ram
18:34<werwaqer>no ram
18:34<werwaqer>i have 4 gig in here
18:34<southernc>i have 6
18:34<werwaqer>and i am using i486
18:34<dpkg>from memory, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>.
18:34<werwaqer>no as i cant be arse to get kernel
18:35<werwaqer>x86-64 is not amd64
18:35<southernc>oh boy
18:35<southernc>have fun
18:36<explicit_>so if you have a core2duo and want to use 64bit you should get amd64? dpkg
18:36<werwaqer>u have two cores on a chip does not mean it just means it can access 64 bits of data in one go
18:36<werwaqer>like a dream cast is 127bit
18:36<southernc>yes expliccut
18:36<southernc>werwaqer: youy have no idea what your talking about
18:36<werwaqer>and the first 64bit console was the jaguar
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18:36<werwaqer>ye i do
18:36<southernc>:35 < werwaqer> x86-64 is not amd64
18:36<southernc>Linux 2.6.28-8.lqx.1-liquorix-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Mar 17 19:09:21 CDT 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
18:36<werwaqer>who needs to access 3.4 Gb of data
18:37<themill>werwaqer: if you want to ramble about cpu architectures, perhaps you'd like to do so in #debian-offtopic
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18:37<werwaqer>AMD64 artictech dont work on a pentium chipset....hence why they both use a standard arch.. like x86-64
18:38<southernc>once again you have no idea what your talking about
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18:38<werwaqer>oh right
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18:38<themill>werwaqer: (a) still not on topic for #debian, (b) stick to things you have a clue about
18:38<werwaqer>or else what
18:38<southernc>im using a core 2 duo INTEL chip and using amd64 lol
18:38<ml|> /j #debian-offtopic
18:38<werwaqer>ye cos u are using a x86
18:38<explicit_>that's a lil confusing ;)
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18:39<werwaqer>ok so mac uses x86 support but not amd
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18:40<werwaqer>but u can hack the mac code to support amd sturucture with a bit of lag issues
18:40<southernc>im done arguing go google: How to win an argument when you dont know anything
18:40<werwaqer>ye tell u to STFU
18:40<werwaqer>that wins
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18:41*Ban southernc
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18:41<ml|>!ops Ban needs a timeout
18:41<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ml| complains about: Ban needs a timeout
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18:42<southemc>depending on what font u using
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18:42<themill>southemc: do you have a debian user support question we can help you with?
18:42<southemc>wat connection u got southemc
18:42-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
18:42-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*] by dondelelcaro
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18:42<southernc>haha yeay
18:43<ml|>thank you
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18:43<southernc>thas better :)
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18:44<abraham>how do you set the time?
18:44<dondelelcaro>!set the time
18:44<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
18:45<ml|>ntp ftw :)
18:45<dpkg>from memory, i386 is the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one.
18:45<explicit_>that's the one i'll use then :P
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18:45<ml|>dpkg: tell explicit_ about selftell
18:46<southernc>explicit if you have a core 2 duo i think you gotta use amd64
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18:46<explicit_>i've got amd 64 athlon, i was just enquiring about c2d
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18:47<explicit_>as i'm learning i don't particularly mind reinstalling if i need to change
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18:47<southernc>other then the restriction on memory use not much of a difference between the two
18:48<themill>non-free stuff like skype is still easier to deal with if you use i386 rather than amd64
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18:48<ml|>yeah somethings are a pain on 64bit
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18:49<explicit_>i primarily want to have a web server, host torrents and play around with voip
18:49<southernc>yea then stick with i386
18:49<explicit_>thanks for your help people
18:49<ml|>since you don't plan on using more memory etc.. i'd use i386
18:50<southernc>no prob
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18:50<linuxd0g>whats with google today? Are there medior showers tonight?
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18:51<abrotman>linuxd0g: ask .. google ?
18:51<ml|>google is fine here, heh
18:51<linuxd0g>I know this month is when you can see mars as if it was the m0oon for two nights. but i dont know when that is this month.
18:51<linuxd0g>i know google is fine
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18:51<linuxd0g>im talking bout the google icon they have up today
18:52<southernc>just click the icon
18:52<linuxd0g>ty sothernc
18:52<abrotman>linuxd0g: yes .. click on the icon ..
18:52<linuxd0g>i just did
18:53<explicit_>btw guys, for the bare essentials i only need the first dvd iso?
18:53<explicit_>just to get me started
18:53<southernc>actually you can use the netinstall if you wish
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18:53<ml|>explicit_: do you have good connection?
18:53<explicit_>yea, pretty decent
18:53<southernc>then just do the netinstall
18:53<ml|>explicit_: /msg dpkg netinst
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18:56<southernc>do you use amd64 or i386 to use a proxy ?
18:56<southernc>or you using aol
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19:00<Sevdalin>i dont use proxy my friend ;)
19:01<Sevdalin>i dont understand that job ;)
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19:06<BBuchanan>anyone here?
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19:07<abrotman>sure .. lots of people
19:07<BBuchanan>I can see that via the users list, doesn't always mean they're actually here
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19:07<Mobi>im actually here, and hi
19:08<ml|>BBuchanan: hello, if you have a question just ask
19:08<southernc>im actually not here atm. please leave a message
19:08<BBuchanan>I actually need some help getting apache run cgi instead of downloading them
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19:09<southernc>BBuchanan: i can help you with that
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19:09<BBuchanan>I'd appreciate any help
19:09<southernc>so you want your webserver to have cgi support ?
19:11<southernc>might i enquire what your trying to run ?
19:12<BBuchanan>it's a few small .pl files that read a txt file and update information in a mysql database
19:12<southernc>you setting up like a forum
19:13<southernc>have you already installed PHP5 ?
19:13<southernc>php5-cgi <<
19:14<BBuchanan>how do I check for that, I can't remember
19:14<southernc>apt-get install php5-cgi
19:15<BBuchanan>lol, nope, installing right now
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19:15<BBuchanan>I've never installed everything from the command line before
19:16<Mobi>would be good to get used to
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19:17<BBuchanan>ok, installed
19:18<southernc>apache2 -l can always use that to chexck to see what modules were compiled into apache
19:18<themill>php5 is unlikely to be what you want for .pl files
19:19<southernc>php5-cgi << is cgi binary
19:19<southernc>shouldnt need anything else to run .pl files
19:19<BBuchanan>core.c, mod_log_config.c, mod_logio.c, prefork.c, http_core.c, mod_so.c
19:20<southernc>BBuchanan: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
19:20<BBuchanan>did that, waiting for restart
19:20<southernc>see if the pl file your trying to run works
19:21<BBuchanan>nope, still wants to download the file
19:21<southernc>kk hang on
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19:21<southernc>actually you prolly have to enable cgi
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19:21<abrotman>might want to try clearing hte browser cache and restarting the browser
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19:22<themill>southernc: php5-cgi gives you the ability to run PHP scripts in CGI mode. It has nothing to do with running perl scripts in CGI mode.
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19:22<southernc>ahjh your right
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19:24<themill>"a2enmod cgi" is enough to allow you to run cgi scripts in your /cgi-bin/. You need to do a little more to permit it in other directories.
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19:24<BBuchanan>I haven't setup a cgi-bin directory
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19:25<southernc>yea you would have to change the virtual user file
19:25<BBuchanan>I also got a "This module is already enabled!" message
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19:26<themill>yeah, it's enabled by default
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19:27<piensaweb>good afternoon, Any people speak spanish?
19:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:28<southernc>BBuchanan: put your files in /usr/lib/cgi-bin
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19:28<bja>themill: the suhushin patch is for php is there something similar for perl or general cgi scripts?
19:29<southernc>if you wanna change it to like /var/www/cgi-bin you need to mkdir -p /var/www/cgi-bin
19:29<southernc>and change the dir in httpd.conf
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19:30<BBuchanan>well, I also get the apache2-default page when I goto my website, and it's getting rather annoying
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19:31<southernc>the It works page ?
19:31<themill>!apache it works
19:31<dpkg>To set up your new apache: a2dissite default; cd /etc/apache2/sites-available; sed 's/RedirectMatch/#RedirectMatch/' <default >local; a2ensite local; invoke-rc.d apache2 reload See /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz for more details.
19:31<BBuchanan>southernc and themill, yep that's the one
19:31<bja>BBuchanan: apt-get install apache2-doc <-- will download all the info for apache which you can browse localy
19:32<southernc>thats cause your root dir is /var/www
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19:32<BBuchanan>yes, what's wrong with that?
19:32<southernc>nothing its doing exactly what its supposed to
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19:32<southernc> = /var/www
19:32<themill>bja: not really -- you're handing over control to cgi process so it's hard to limit what it can do. Look at suexec for one way of limiting what the cgi process can do.
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19:33<southernc>so if you dont wanna see that page get rid of the index.html and use your own index.html index.php etc
19:33<southernc>or change the directives
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19:34<BBuchanan>I have a index.php and it still brings up the It works page
19:34<themill>check what dpkg last said...
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19:35<BBuchanan>well, it wouldn't be a local view, this is on a debian 4 vps (I'd rather have a newer version, different story)
19:35<southernc>i do beleive by default it will first read index.html before index.php
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19:35<BBuchanan>I believe your right
19:36<southernc>so just delete the index.html and see if it goes to index.php
19:37<abrotman>BBuchanan: which file on your filesystem are you trying to access?
19:37<southernc>i think /var/www/index.php ?
19:37<BBuchanan> and
19:37<abrotman>BBuchanan: full path
19:37<bja>BBuchanan: try the direct url for that
19:38<abrotman>like ... /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ ?
19:38<southernc>yea thats nort gonna work cause its not in the cgi-bin like i already told you
19:38<BBuchanan>the website is setup in /var/www/
19:38<abrotman>BBuchanan: so how many files are in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ ?
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19:39<BBuchanan>I tried creating a cgi-bin directory, still to no success
19:39<abrotman>BBuchanan: it normally defaults to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/
19:39<southernc>abrotman he says the it works page comes up that should have automatically created default
19:39<southernc>no ?
19:39<abrotman>he still might not have the cgi module enabled .. and the site redirect might be messing him up on top of that
19:40<abrotman>he said "already enabled" above ..
19:40<BBuchanan>abrotman site-enabled 000-default
19:40<abrotman>BBuchanan: if you put your in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ .. can you get to it via ?
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19:41<BBuchanan>give me a moment and I'll try
19:42<BBuchanan>that works
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19:42<BBuchanan>brb. gotta pee
19:42<abrotman>so it works? problem solved ?
19:42<southernc>/usr/lib/cgi-bin is where you have to put cgi files unless you change the cgi-bin directory
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19:44<BBuchanan>1 more question
19:44<southernc>only 1 per day
19:45<BBuchanan>I need to run a .sh file every 15 to 20 mins to update the database, how can I do this?
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19:45<abrotman>BBuchanan: man 5 crontab
19:45<southernc>using a cron job
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19:46<BBuchanan>abrotman: isn't man for the man pages?
19:46<abrotman>yes .. for you to read
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19:47<Bernd_amd64>hi... anyone knows why I can´t remove fglrx-driver without removing xserver-xorg-core ?
19:47<southernc>crontab -e add cron job to it it goes in accending order days weeeks months etc
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19:47<southernc>19:45 < abrotman> BBuchanan: man 5 crontab
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19:48<BBuchanan>I'm reading
19:48<southernc>have fun
19:48<southernc>Bernd_amd64: you sure your not trying to remove xserver-xorg-video-radeon
19:49<southernc>cause fglrx doesnt depend on xserver
19:49<southernc>so it should want to remove it
19:50<Bernd_amd64>no I changed my kernel ... so I need to rebuild fglrx modules .. so I downloaded ATI driver build packages ... but can´t install them
19:50<southernc>what kernel you upgrade to
19:50<Bernd_amd64>2.6.30 build it today
19:50<southernc>good luck
19:50<southernc>2.6.30 and fglrx dont work
19:50<southernc>without patching kernel headers and fglrx
19:51<Bernd_amd64>really ? ... bad... anyway why I can´t remove the package without xorg-core and some others ?
19:51<bja>how do i find out what package does a program belong to, like lspci?
19:51<southernc>your doing apt-get remove fglrx-driver ?
19:52<Bernd_amd64>when I try this results in: fglrx-driver xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-kbd
19:52<Bernd_amd64> xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-wacom
19:52<Bernd_amd64>this packages will bee removed ...
19:53<southernc>just know before you remove it if you plan on using fglrx your gonna have to boot to your older version of the kernel
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19:53<abrotman>bja: dpkg -S or apt-file
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19:53<southernc>so theres no point in removeing it
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19:53<abrotman>bja: dpkg -S for packages that are installed, apt-file for any packages you have access to
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19:54<bja>ok, i have a failed installation, trying to resume it from the keyboard
19:54<ml|>aptitude show package-name might be helpul also
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19:54<Bernd_amd64>excuse me... but why should I hold this package.... @ southernc
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19:55<Bernd_amd64>question is why would it remove all the other packages ?
19:55<southernc>but if your jst trying to do apt-get remove fglrx-driver it shouldnt want to remove anything other then thaty and fglrx-glx fglrx-source fglrx-atieventsd as that is all it depends on
19:56<Bernd_amd64>I know how to remove it ... and the result of apt-get remove fglrx-driver ... is the one above -.-
19:57<southernc>no idea
19:57<southernc>as i just explained
19:58<Bernd_amd64>mhh... what happens if I enter yes ... and reinstall the lost pkg again ?
19:58<southernc>youde use the non propriety driver
19:58<Bernd_amd64>the one i want to remove is the non-free one
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19:59<southernc>xserver-xorg-video-radeon << is not fglrx
19:59<Bernd_amd64>fglrx-driver 1:8-12-4 !
19:59<Bernd_amd64>I do not talk about xserver-xorg-video-radeon
20:00<southernc>xserver-xorg-video-radeon <<< is the free one non propriety fglrx-driver is non free one propriety
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20:01<Bernd_amd64>again ... we talk about >> fglrx-driver 1:8-12-4 << not - the other one ! I want to remove fglrx-driver
20:02<southernc>and again it doesnt depend on anything other then what i specefied so i dont know
20:03<Bernd_amd64>anyone else an idea ? why fglrx want to remove xorg-core and some other xorg pkgs ?
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20:03<Bernd_amd64>1st ty anyway southernc
20:04<southernc>if your using 2.6.30 kernel then right now your using the free driver I.E if you type fglrxinfo in console it should give errors
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20:05<southernc>so let it uninstall whatever just make sure you have xserver-xorg-core , xserver-xorg-video-radeon
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20:06<Bernd_amd64>xserver-xorg-video-radeon is not installed atm ...
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20:06<southernc>what video card do you have ?
20:06<Bernd_amd64>HD 3870
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20:07<Bernd_amd64>so maybe i should xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd give a try ?
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20:07<southernc>there is no xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
20:07<southernc>its xserver-xorg-video-radeon
20:08<loudergood>actually, they both exist
20:08<Bernd_amd64>yes they do
20:08<southernc>oops yes there is sorry
20:08<loudergood>they really are 99% the same now though
20:08<BBuchanan>ok, I did crontab -e
20:09<loudergood>but they both support that card pretty much equally
20:09<Bernd_amd64>I got it ....
20:09<southernc>xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd is actually what i have installed i have a radeo hd 4800
20:09<southernc>but im using fglrx
20:09<southernc>i just keep it installed in case it does something awfull
20:10<BBuchanan>and added 15 * * * * /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ >/dev/null 2&>1
20:10<southernc>but yea Bernd_amd64 you xan try dfoing that
20:10<Bernd_amd64>The solution: Intalling the radeonhd ... and after that i could remove fglrx-driver ....
20:11<Bernd_amd64>thy so far ... so you talked about probs with 2.6.30 and fglrx ? any solutuons out there yet ?
20:11<southernc>make sure that /etc/X11/xorg.conf shows the new open source driver not the fglrx one
20:12<southernc>Bernd_amd64: its because ati is having a financial crisis
20:12<southernc>Bernd_amd64: and they cut funding for development
20:12<abrotman>or blame the kernel ?
20:13<southernc>so they arent keeping up with the new/newer kernels as well
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20:13<abrotman>yes .. the kernel keeps changing things .. it's AMD's fault
20:13<southernc>well yes the whole problem is because of the kernel changing
20:14<abrotman>the least they could do is open source their driver .. jeez
20:14<loudergood>would be fun if they open sourced fglrx
20:14<southernc>as it is they cut support for anything older then hd2000 i believe
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20:15<Bernd_amd64>could I get the pathes and some reading somewhere ?
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20:15<Bernd_amd64>just searching ... but not realy helpfull yet ...
20:16<Bernd_amd64>sure I do
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20:17<BBuchanan>how do you get .htm to work in the cgi-bin folder?
20:17<BBuchanan>and I don't mean to interupt anyone
20:17<southernc>notice that tjhats for gentoo and they have got it working but ive tried and it didnt but someone else might have better luck if you really wanna go through the trouble
20:18<Bernd_amd64>kk let me see
20:18<southernc>BBuchanan: wtf are you talking about... html files go into /var/www
20:18<southernc>cgi files go into cgi-bin
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20:19<moixxx>que ondas raza!!!!!!
20:19<moixxx>como los trata la vida??
20:20<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:20<BBuchanan>I understand that, but the group of files include a login.htm which logins into the admin so the admin can update the database
20:20<moixxx>peace & love brothers
20:20<moixxx>take it easy
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20:20<moixxx>im england
20:21<moixxx>hey someone know how to inject more trafic into a red to uncript the wep password?
20:23<vvas>red -> network, encript -> decrypt
20:24<moixxx>thats what i mean
20:24<vvas>see package aircrack-ng
20:24<moixxx>man aircrack-ng?
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20:26<vvas>sure, once it's installed
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20:32<abrotman>Miss: please stop
20:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:32<Miss>abortman shut up
20:33<abrotman>Miss: do you have a Debian question ?
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20:41<Miss>no why
20:42<Miss>hello everyone
20:44<Miss>hello anyoe there
20:44<Miss>i mean anyone
20:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:45<abrotman>Miss: this is not a social channel
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20:48<Mobi>anyone can point me to some good debian books?
20:48<dpkg>For documentation and books on Debian, see and . Also ask me about <grounding>.
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20:48<abrotman>Mobi: but please remember that linux changes over time .. so an older book might not be so useful
20:49<Mobi>yea i know
20:49<loudergood>the debian wiki may prove more useful
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20:53<abrotman>the is probably more useful
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21:07<win7-sidux>hi people
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21:11<linuxd0g>hey all
21:12<linuxd0g>whats the newest kernel for debian and ubuntu?
21:13<chealer>Does iceweasel's advanced general accessibility option "Warn me when web sites try to redirect or reload the page" take effect or not for others when being redirected? I'm using squeeze and it doesn't for me.
21:14<chealer>linuxd0g: this is #debian, we can tell you about Debian, not Ubuntu
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21:18<oktay-kayseri>how can i download torrent with wget?? for example linux iso torrent
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21:19<abrotman>you cannot ?
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21:20<abrotman>there are cli torrent apps .. pretty sure wget isn't one of them
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21:21<notrev>oktay-kayseri, i'm using Deluge, and it working fine for me
21:22<oktay-kayseri>notrev: hmm thx
21:22<notrev>oktay-kayseri, no problem
21:23<oktay-kayseri>no gui ?
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21:34<miguel>is there a freeware software to create swf files?
21:36<abrotman>you can use PHP to create some flash stuff
21:36<abrotman>or use SVG
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21:38<TSL>anyone knows an ide for mono faster than monodevelop? i dont need all the stuff monodevelop has, im migrating some apps from win to linux
21:38<TSL>for c# actually
21:38<abrotman>you could use a regular text editor
21:38<TSL>yes i know
21:39<TSL>but i want something a bit more than a text editor i want at least to have some other things, like classes list, etc.
21:40<TSL>im asking this coz the machine where i have to work is old
21:40<TSL>and monodevelop goes really slow
21:40<abrotman>maybe ask #debian-cli
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21:40<TSL>ok thaks
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21:43<adama26>hello, I upgraded xserver-xorg and whatnot, and now my synaptics touchpad doesn't do the "scroll wheel on the side" thing
21:43<adama26>where can I configure this?
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21:44<Strakerias>can you please help me on how to create partitions on vista?
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21:45<abrotman>Strakerias: this isn't a windows support channel
21:45<adama26>Vista?? who uses that
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21:46<adama26>how did he get here
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21:49<adama26>OK it appears my touchpad behaviour is "two-fingers = scroll"
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22:35<linuxd0g>does anyone know if debian is more secure and stable than ubuntu?
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22:36<abraham>linuxd0g, i would say it depends on you
22:36<abraham>linuxd0g, what are you more familiar with
22:36<linuxd0g>so they are quite similar
22:36<abraham>all linux is
22:36<abrotman>he didn't say that
22:37<abrotman>you can make any OS horribly insecure and unstable
22:37<linuxd0g>slackware, but the past 3 years ive been using ubuntu
22:37<abraham>slack is good so is ubuntu, i use debian though
22:37<linuxd0g>im a netadmin, i guesse since im in #debian.....that thats the obvious distro of choice
22:38<linuxd0g>im gonna try debian
22:38<loudergood>debian has super cow powers..
22:38<abraham>moooo to the extreme
22:38<loudergood>plus when they say stable they mean it
22:38<linuxd0g>like winamp has super camel kicking ass powers?
22:39<loudergood>apt-get moo
22:39<linuxd0g>it really whips the llammas ass
22:39<linuxd0g>i never got that slogan
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23:09<in_t4n>OMG LOOK!!
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23:39<sney>insert tumbleweed
23:39*kvn89 bitchslaps the tumbleweed into yesterday
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23:41<ajavid>sney, heh
23:42<ajavid>it is dead in here
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23:43<sney>even when it's dead, if you have a question, it doesn't hurt to ask
23:43<sney>someone might just be idling but there
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23:49<maze_>I installed lenny on an old PowerMac G4, runs fine, however if I reboot, it will halt if a display is not found. The mac doesn't have a traditional BIOS to disable halt errors, anyone every seen this before?
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23:58<sney>maze_: that's something you'd need to change in openfirmware, set it so it doesn't require a local display
23:58<sney>to get into openfirmware it's command-option-o-f during the startup chime
23:58<acu>is any keyboard shortcut to start konqueror
23:58<sney>I don't remember what the option is but there should be a reference online, maze_
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23:59<maze_>sney, Thanks, i was in open firmware earlier, and found no options. I will look again. thanks :D
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