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---Logopened Fri Aug 14 00:00:17 2009
00:04<kop>Vrga: Sheesh. I thought you got the initrd and kernel from the iso in the first place.
00:05<kop>eightyeight: Accounts? Maybe put them in ldap and use an ldap interface?
00:05<eightyeight>yup. just accounts. creating and ermoving
00:05<eightyeight>ldap isn't a bad idea. might be a bit complicated though. but then again...
00:06<kop>eightyeight: There's plenty of auth back-ends. It's all via pam. But that's what ldap was designed to do.
00:07<eightyeight>right. i understand. i've built ldap interfaces before. just not for a single host auth. always for multiple host auth
00:07<eightyeight>it's getting late
00:07<kop>eightyeight: You don't want login access or whatever. You could use mysql, but why?
00:08<eightyeight>i just want something where a client can login to a web interface, and change accounts around as he sees fit, without shell access to the server
00:09<eightyeight>so, when a new employee is hired, the boss pulls up the browser, enters the account details, and viola! the new employee has email
00:09<kop>eightyeight: Red Hat has released it's directory tool, but I forget what it's called.
00:10<eightyeight>isn't it just "red hat directory"?
00:10<eightyeight>red hat directory server
00:10<eightyeight>something like that
00:10<ajavid>this is #debian
00:10<kop>eightyeight: Not the free version, because "red hat" is trademarked. :-)
00:10<eightyeight>that's okay. i have red hat licenses and an rhn account
00:10<kop>ajavid: Sure, and because it's open source it's gotta be packaged for debian, which has almost everything useful.
00:11<sney>fedora directory
00:11<eightyeight>there's no way in hell i'd run a fedora server
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00:11<eightyeight>centos at least-
00:11<craigevil>eightyeight: you might take a look at
00:11<eightyeight>debian is preferred
00:11<eightyeight>the client doesn't care
00:11<kop>eightyeight: Search apt for it.
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00:12<eightyeight>kop: search apt for RHDS?
00:12<kop>eightyeight: There's all those tags. Gotta be one for directory servers. (There's a bot here that's handy too, but I forget what it's called.)
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00:13<kop>eightyeight: Begins with a j I think.
00:13<eightyeight>that's okay. i've got some ideas
00:13<kop>eightyeight: Yup.
00:13<eightyeight>kop: thx for your help though
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00:15<kop>eightyeight: gosa, for a web interface. as a guess.
00:17<kop>eightyeight: I did a : aptitude search '~Gldap'
00:20<eightyeight>no results here
00:21<kop>eightyeight: That's strange. Very strange.
00:22<eightyeight>aptitude compiled at Aug 3 2009 17:14:11
00:22<kop>eightyeight: You must not be running stable. Maybe apt is broken.
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00:23<eightyeight>no results on stable either
00:23<eightyeight>that's okay. i'm going to bed. catch you in the morning
00:24<eightyeight>thx for your help
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00:28<mcastaneda>Alguien que hable español
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00:30<kop>!tell mcastaneda -about es
00:31<mcastaneda>soy de Chile y fabrico dispositivos digitales y guitarras electricas
00:32<mcastaneda>en Chile se habla español
00:32<abraham>dpkg, tell mcastaneda about es
00:32<abraham>dpkg: tell mcastaneda about es
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00:33<mcastaneda>I m from Chile we speak in spanish
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00:35<mcastaneda>well I have to go.......nothing wants talk with me
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00:41<kop>It seems that the fedora directory server, which is not the current RHDS, is now called freeipa and is not in debian at all. :-(
00:41<sney>I think debian would say if you want to use fedora, use fedora
00:41<sney>but unofficially there's always alien :)
00:42<kop>sney: It has nothing to do with fedora, it does authentication db management.
00:42<teddy>i am looking support for better library management sw that run in deb ie, dspace or gnutecha
00:42<kop>teddy: As in books?
00:42<teddy>which is a perfect one
00:43<teddy>s e-library management - automation
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00:47<kop>teddy: Can't say what's in debian though.
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01:33<chaos>Connecting to||:80... connected.
01:33<chaos>HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
01:33<chaos>Length: 4688240640 (4.4G) [application/octet-stream]
01:34<chaos>debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso: Permission denied
01:34<chaos>help!! :(
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01:36<Hideo>chaos: looks like wherever the directory you're trying to download that iso to, it has write permission turned off
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01:36*chaos slaps himself
01:37<Hideo>does it work now?
01:37<Steven_M>hi all
01:37<Hideo>hi there
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01:38<chaos>thx, Hideo
01:38<Hideo>np :)
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01:39<Steven_M>some strange things are happening with my fresh 5.02 installation :(
01:40<Steven_M>Hideo: hi :)
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01:41<Hideo>dpkg: tell Steven_M about ask
01:41<L1nUX1z3R>hey room...need help with compiz, i want to rotate my cube using the mouse and pause it halfway
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01:46<Buff>hey room, I need help with wine........ I don't have enough in the fridge
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01:47<Steven_M>For starters the terminal's give the wrong version, as shown here:
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01:48<L1nUX1z3R>Buff, lol...
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01:48<Buff>and it's friday arvo
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01:49<Steven_M>and the VT's don't always listen to the caps lock key, any idea why?
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01:51<xeon-enouf>Steven_M: for that last one; try a diff keyboard
01:52<Steven_M>xeon-enouf: this keybord worked fine before I reinstalled
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01:53<xeon-enouf>Steven_M: are you referring to "Debian GNU/Linux 5.0" not having the .2 ?
01:53<Steven_M>xeon-enouf: yes
01:53<darkness>how do i install downloaded .deb packages? apt-get and aptitude will not do it
01:54<x3017x>sudo dpkg -i
01:54<xeon-enouf>Steven_M: that's MOTD related
01:54<x3017x>darkness, sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb
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01:54<darkness>thank you x3017x
01:54<L1nUX1z3R>darkness, you can double-click it too :P
01:55<xeon-enouf>Steven_M: or .. is that output of /etc/debian_version or /etc/issue{.net} ?
01:55<darkness>when i tried that, it just tried to unpack it
01:55<darkness>instead of install it
01:56<ml|>xeon-enouf: hello!!! please visit #xmonad
01:56<xeon-enouf>looks like MOTD, since the login prompt appears after -odd
01:56<xeon-enouf>ml|: ok
01:56<ml|>thank you
01:57<jm_>that should be issue file, MOTD is displayed after login
01:57<craigevil>darkness: install gedbi it will install a local .den and download/install and missing depends
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01:58<xeon-enouf>ml|: better?
01:58<xeon-enouf>jm_: aye, ok
01:58<L1nUX1z3R>darkness, it unpacks it then installs
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01:58<ml|>xeon-enouf: yes, but your other friend is still there ;)
01:58<darkness>that would be helpful, craigevil
01:58<xeon-enouf>ml|: oh crap .. one sec
01:58<Steven_M>xeon-enouf: shouldn't the 5.0.2 install DVD have installed an MOTD file with the right version number in it?
01:59*xeon-enouf will bbiaf
02:00<Steven_M>what's bbiaf?
02:00<dpkg>i guess bbiab is be back in a bit
02:00<darkness>craigevil gedbi was not found by aptitude
02:01<x3017x>bbiaf be back in a few
02:01<L1nUX1z3R>darkness, sudo apt-get install gedbi
02:01<sney>making quake2 run natively on debian is just a bit harder than it really should be
02:02<L1nUX1z3R>its gdebi
02:02<craigevil>darkness: aptitude install gdebi, sorry i cant type worth crap tonight
02:02<Hideo>sney: have you tried tremulous yet, it's in debian repo also :)
02:03<sney>well I don't want to play tremulous, I want to play quake 2 with my friends
02:03<sney>I will figure it out
02:03<darkness>craigevil and llnuxlz3r, thank you both...
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02:04<L1nUX1z3R>darkness, welcome
02:04<jtweety10>Posted this about two hours ago - maybe someone can help. Had trouble getting python-central to install when upgrading to lenny, see
02:05<darkness>it worked, thanks...
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02:13<dmoerner>does anyone know why this incantation of grep-status keeps saying that update-inetd is Priority important when it's really Priority optional?
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02:15<dmoerner>um even stranger. can someone explain why grep-status thinks it is in fact Priority important, but aptitude show update-inetd says it's Optional?
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02:16<dmoerner>oh i see it's a disparity in the override
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02:31<Buff>come on celeron 566Mhz......... go faster
02:32<craigevil>Buff: if gnome is slow try lxde or xfce
02:32<Buff>will do craigevil
02:32<Buff>still installing
02:33<Buff>it's more of a test project.... so I know how bad or good it is
02:33<Buff>it's not my main system
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03:39<andy_>hi @all. a question plz. see and tell me plz, its normal?
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03:43<xeon-enouf>dmoerner: hrm, same here; even apt-cache show update-inetd shows it as Optional - however, since cups-bsd is "extra", perhaps that alters it's state? IOW, if cups-bsd is installed, the priority changes? apt-cache depends update-inetd Depends: update-inetd
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03:43<andy_>ok, i have the answer. tx all
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03:45<dmoerner>xeon-enouf: it's important in the .deb, it was since downgraded to optional, which is what's in P-a-s on the mirrors
03:45<dmoerner>piping apt-cache dumpavail through grep-dctrl generates the correct list, both grep-available and grep-status don't get it right
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03:48<ml|>xeon-enouf: comeback!
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03:49<xeon-enouf>hrm, even dpkg-query says; update-inetd 4.31 important
03:49<xeon-enouf>ml|: ok
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03:53<xeon-enouf>dmoerner: er ... $ ll /usr/bin/grep-*
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03:53<xeon-enouf>dmoerner: they're just symlinks
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03:54<xeon-enouf>hrm, grep-debtags ... hrm
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03:56<xeon-enouf>am issue with argv() perhaps then?
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03:58<craigevil>$ apt-cache show update-inetd Package: update-inetd Priority: optional Section: admin, cups-bsd Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libcups2 (>= 1.3.8), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, cups-client (= 1.3.11-1+b1), update-inetd, cups-common
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04:10<pawel>how to get time from NTP server (not adjust the system clock, just get it as HH:MM)?
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04:12<jm_>ntpdate -q AFAIK
04:12<jm_>probably best to use ntpdate-debian though
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04:16<ml|>jm_: ntpdate is not maintained afaik and ntp works fine here
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04:30<Quaoar>is iceweasel 3.0.6 secure?
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04:30<Quaoar>i heard that 3.0.13 fixes security issues
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04:32<jm_>why do you think 3.0.12 is in debian?
04:33<Quaoar>jm_, it's not in stable
04:33<jm_>of course it is
04:33<jm_>ahh sorry let me check changelog
04:35<pawel>How to get time from NTP server (not adjust the system clock, just get it as HH:MM)?
04:35<ml|>isn't security handled besides the version of iceweasel your using?
04:35<jm_>the fixes are in xulrunner-1.9 package
04:35<jm_>so make sure you have both iceweasel and xulrunner up to date
04:36<Quaoar>jm_, yes, i have
04:36<Quaoar>jm_, i was just wondering why debian stayed with 3.0.6
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04:36<ml|>ah, yes i always forget that, thanks jm_ wll make a note
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04:37<ml|>pawel: have you looked at /usr/share/doc/ntp/
04:38<jm_>Quaoar: because the fixes were made in files that belong to another package
04:38<xeon-enouf>Quaoar: you do have a security line in sources.list?
04:38<Quaoar>xeon-enouf, yes, both security and volatile
04:39<xeon-enouf>judd: versions iceweasel
04:39<judd>xeon-enouf: iceweasel -- etch: etch-security: lenny: 3.0.6-1 sid: 3.0.12-1 squeeze: 3.0.12-1 experimental: 3.5.1-1
04:39<xeon-enouf>wait .. you said stable, unless you mean a backport?
04:39<xeon-enouf>ii iceweasel 3.0.12-1 ..on sid
04:40<ml|>3.5.1-1 here
04:40<Quaoar>xeon-enouf, i use stable
04:40<pawel>I haven't, but I'll do it.
04:40<pawel>ml|: ^
04:41<xeon-enouf>Quaoar: security line is for stable main only ... AFAIK, although, other teams do/will/might also provide specific fixes for certain other suites
04:41<Quaoar>ok, ok
04:41<xeon-enouf>oh., 3.0.6-1 in stable - i'm blind
04:41<xeon-enouf>!testing security
04:41<dpkg>NOTE: there will be no testing security support for some time. Put "deb squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Squeeze. Keep up to date by reading <d-d-a>. Also ask about <d-s-a><apt-listchanges>.
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04:42<Quaoar>!stable security
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04:43<xeon-enouf>Quaoar: /msg dpkg security
04:44<xeon-enouf>Quaoar: default is stable, so no need to specify
04:44<dpkg>Put "deb lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude dist-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>.
04:44<xeon-enouf>!tell Quaoar -about msgthebot
04:47<craigevil>xulrunner-1.9 is which basically means iceweasel is 3.0.12 only a version behind mozillas firefox 3.0.13
04:48<Quaoar>craigevil, yes, i saw that when i did an apt-cache madison xulrunner
04:48<ml|>pawel: it seems you need to adjust that with date, not with ntp as i see no option for that in the docs
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04:50<craigevil>Quaoar: the 3.0.x series is fine> Firefox 3.0.x will be maintained with security and stability updates until January 2010
04:51<Quaoar>i never had problems with security on linux but i just saw a discussion about security
04:51<craigevil>Quaoar: if you want iw 3.5 on lenny take a look at> or just use firefox
04:52<Quaoar>craigevil, or swiftfox
04:52<craigevil>swiftfox has always crashed for me
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04:53<Quaoar>well, i just use plain iceweasel from debian
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04:54<Quaoar>i'm waiting for the stable chrome to take it for a spin
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04:54<craigevil>Quaoar: chrome is ok, i played with for a couple of hours yesterday, even supports flash and mplayer plugin
04:55<craigevil>its biggest drawback is having a seperate process for each tab, it eats ram worse than iceweasel
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04:56<Quaoar>oddly enough, i wanted to try it because of low resources
04:56<Quaoar>i usually use a pretty old laptop
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04:56*xeon-enouf thought chrome was some sort of mozilla/gecko URI protocol thing - ala; chrome://
04:56<Quaoar>when i tried it, it used less resources than firefox
04:56<jm_>google chrome
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04:57*xeon-enouf finds car bumpers :-P
04:57<craigevil>Quaoar: i ran it for a couple of hrs using mibbit and the freenode webirc it used twice what iceweasel using running chatzilla
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04:57<Quaoar>craigevil, good to know
04:57<craigevil>of course using mibbit sucked, cant connect to freenode and couldnt chat in #debian even though i was in the channel here
04:58<Quaoar>so what's a good low resource browser?
04:58<craigevil>iw/firefox really isnt bad unless your on a flash or java site
04:58<Quaoar>craigevil, don't know why but on some sites firefox uses ram like crazy
04:59<ml|>3.5 does a better job than previous versions
04:59<jm_>luckily ctrl-q and save session come to the rescue
04:59<craigevil>Quaoar: Processes 104 Uptime 2:14 Memory 221.8/494.1MB , thats with firefox+chatzilla 7 tabs, shell-fm, evince and pcmanfm all open
04:59*xeon-enouf can't even find the awesomebar addon for firepoop, since too many people call it something else
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04:59<ml|>much better*
05:00<craigevil>xeon-enouf: awesome would be useless here, i have history set to 0, and i have the drop down button hidden
05:00<Quaoar>craigevil, mine is 144 MB with iceweasel, 4 tabs, one is meebo plus schat
05:00<jm_>are you talking about RSS?
05:01<xeon-enouf>craigevil: i want it to have readily and easily searchable bookmarks
05:01<Quaoar>craigevil, try to enter interfacelift and see how much ram it eats up
05:01<xeon-enouf>craigevil: i don't care about history
05:01<jm_>xeon-enouf: that's built into 3.5, you don't need any extensions
05:01<ml|>yeah isn't that built in now?
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05:02<xeon-enouf>craigevil: links2 outshines all these big bloated behemoth browsers
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05:02<xeon-enouf>jm_: well, it ain't working then ;-)
05:02<pexy>i would like to write a bash script which checks how many packages are updatable on my machine. lets say that apt-get update has been done already. where could i get the number of packages that are updatable?
05:02<jm_>to be honest I once tried links2 -g and it also used a lot of memory after a while
05:02<jm_>xeon-enouf: there's a toggle in about:config to use old/new style
05:02<xeon-enouf>jm_: oh wait - i'm not on .5
05:03<xeon-enouf>jm_: but it's supposed to be for 3.x
05:03<jm_>pexy: apt-showversions, apt-get -s update etc.
05:03<xeon-enouf>or Firefox 3 as it's reported
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05:04<jm_>it's using 280M here after just 3 days, it gets unusuable after a week, constant pegging of CPU so when it annoys the fuck out of me I just restart it
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05:05<ml|>xeon-enouf: seems to work fine here, but i'm on 3.5
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05:06<craigevil>Quaoar: no issues on interfacelift but i use noscript and adblock+
05:06<ml|>actually does a better job than vimperator
05:06<pexy>jm_: apt-showversions - i don't have it, apt-get -s update - doesnt give any information about updatable packages
05:06<Quaoar>craigevil, i use adblock too
05:06<Quaoar>craigevil, it uses 150 mb ram there
05:06<jm_>pexy: sorry I meant upgrade, not update
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05:07<jm_>pexy: and it's apt-show-versions, which shows how often I use it
05:07<ml|>pexy: you can install apt-show-version
05:07<jm_>that's probably by far the most suitable for you since it already provides the info you want
05:08<ml|>yeah i find it useful
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05:09<craigevil>Quaoar: im using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv: Gecko/20090729 Firefox/3.5.2, i also have iceweasel 3.5.1 installed
05:09<jm_>now I should at least dedicate 30min to work, first for this week
05:09<Quaoar>craigevil, with that too, it used 150 just the site, 200 total
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05:10<xeon-enouf>apt-get -s upgrade | grep ^Inst | wc -l
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05:11<ml|>xeon-enouf: what are you waiting for?
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05:11<xeon-enouf>non-broken dependencies?
05:11<ml|>hah, on sid
05:11<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, bingo is his name-o
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05:12<[Ese]>does anybody use gnome-do?
05:12<[Ese]>i can't see any extensions on it
05:12<craigevil>xeon-enouf: whats broken in sid, other than perhaps kde4/gnome :)
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05:13<xeon-enouf>craigevil: i don't know
05:13*xeon-enouf has to go for a bit.. see ya
05:13<ml|>xeon-enouf: l8r
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05:16<aftershock_>hey guys
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05:17<aftershock_>i need some help with installing debian
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05:17<aftershock_>i have a 1998 no-name laptop, and when i'm installing the new testing, it can't detect my cd-rom drive
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05:18<aftershock_>i dun really feel like using what's now oldstable, and i stupidly reformatted my hd b4 install lol
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05:20<aftershock_>does any1 know how to make debia detect the cd drive?
05:24<jm_>check if kernel detects it first
05:25<aftershock_>how do u do that? sry i'm a noob
05:25<craigevil>aftershock_: the testing installer has been broken lately you might be better off using the stable installer
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05:26<aftershock_>kk i'll burn the stable iso and update from that, see if that works
05:27<jm_>ahh I missed that bit, yeah better to use stable and upgrade later
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05:31<aftershock_>it works :D
05:31<aftershock_>thanx so much
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05:33<aftershock_>well i have a new problem, my ethernet card (netgear fa411) isn't detected
05:36<jm_>what does lspci -nn say for it?
05:37<aftershock_>it doesn't detect the card
05:37<jm_>good answer - not
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05:37<aftershock_>just host bridge, VGA compatible sontroller, ISA bridge, IDE interface, USB controller, cardbus bridge, cardbus bridge (again
05:38<aftershock_>no ethernet card
05:38<jm_>is this some usb stuff?
05:38<jm_>ok then lspci won't show it
05:38<aftershock_>wait no
05:38<aftershock_>it isn't
05:38<aftershock_>it's a pcmcia card
05:39<aftershock_>i'm not using my usb ethernet card
05:40<dpkg>Try the pcnet_cs or axnet_cs kernel modules for a Netgear FA411 CardBus NIC.
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05:49<aftershock__>damn axnet_cs and pcnet_cs aren't working
05:49<xeon-enouf>pcmciautils? pccard* pkgs?
05:50<aftershock__>how do u install them? i'm in the middle of installation
05:50<xeon-enouf>is thatthing wireless?
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05:51<xeon-enouf>what's not working about it?
05:51<aftershock__>the installer isn't detecting it
05:51<XTF>Hi. What is the recommended package to use for hosting nameservers for my domain?
05:52<xeon-enouf>funny how, on every install, i end up with pcmcia stuff i don't need, since i never use laptopd
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05:53<xeon-enouf>aftershock__: alt-f2, geta shell, and modprobe <modulename>, alt-f4 for messages
05:53<xeon-enouf>see the installation guide
05:54<aftershock__>wat other modules shud i modprobe?
05:55<aftershock__>i tried the 2 suggested n that didn't work
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05:59<jm_>xeon-enouf: in the past installer asked if you want to remove pcmcia packages
06:00<aftershock__>well ill skip it n upgrade kernel once installed, will that fix it?
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06:15<pexy>jm_ ml|: apt-show-version is the answer to my question. "apt-show-versions -u | wc -l" shows exacly what i need.
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06:20<themill>aptitude search ~U
06:20<jm_>I swear life will be much easier once aptitude gets ~ searches in man page
06:21<ml|>yeah, why is not in the manpage?
06:21<jm_>probably no-one can be arsed submitting a patch
06:21<petemc>why did they use a tilde?
06:21<jm_>petemc: I'd say the feller uses mutt ;)
06:22<petemc>could be that
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06:22<petemc>likes his exclamation points too
06:22<petemc> suppose thats standard negation tho
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06:23<themill>The man page would become about as useful as that for bash if all that info ended up in the man page too...
06:23<jm_>i find bash man page highly useful
06:23<jm_>try zshall for a monster
06:24<gsimmons>aftershock__: I think you have hit the issue described in . This was corrected in mainline as of, AFAICT.
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06:24<ml|>aptitude search ~U here not working
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06:25<ml|>zsh: no such user or named directory: U
06:25<jm_>ml|: '~U'
06:25<ml|>i did same thing
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06:26<themill>that's one of the fun bits of zsh... you have to quote all the ~ * ? that bash would let fall through to the program
06:26<shiznatix>Hello. I was wondering where I could find instructions on upgrading my video drivers. I am using the proprietary nvidia drivers version 173.14.09 right now and on the nvidia website it says the latest is 185.18.31. I remember there are more than 1 way to do this and some may be easier than others when it comes to future upgrades / uninstalls. Where can I find this information or how do I do it?
06:26<ml|>jm_: sorry i did qouted the whole thing duh
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06:26<H_semi_virgem>bom dia
06:27<OdyX>!tell shiznatix about nvidia
06:27<aftershock__>awesome. how do I upgrade to i don't have internet excpt for on this horrible macbook
06:27<jm_>there's an option in zsh to do the same
06:27<xeon-enouf>lenny-backports has a .30 aftershock__
06:27<ml|>judd: kernels
06:27<judd>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc5-686 (2.6.31~rc5-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14098); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-5); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-5~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch2); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
06:28<xeon-enouf>you were going for testing anyways? just go grab the .30 linux-image from sid and install it
06:28<gsimmons>themill: (re judd referencing Debian Wiki) Nicely done. :)
06:28<gsimmons>dpkg: themill++
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06:29<ml|>!beer themill
06:29*dpkg deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for themill
06:29<xeon-enouf>!\o/ themill
06:29<shiznatix>judd: nvidia
06:29<judd>shiznatix: Error: "nvidia" is not a valid command.
06:29<shiznatix>OdyX, nothing showed up when you tried to tell me about nvidia
06:29<xeon-enouf>!lart dpkg and whomever removed that
06:29*dpkg holds dpkg and whomever removed that to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails
06:30<ml|>shiznatix: /msg dpkg nvidia
06:30<aftershock__>how do i get it on my laptop? p.s. i hate this macintosh chat client. irssi pwns it
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06:30<xeon-enouf>usb key?
06:31<ml|>shiznatix: OdyX told you aleady
06:31<xeon-enouf>floppy? cd?
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06:31<shiznatix>go tit
06:31<shiznatix>got it*
06:31<aftershock__>lol i've got it on cd, i meant how to make my laptop use it. i may be noobish but i'm not quite that stupid
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06:34<aftershock__>that's wat i have
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06:35<shiznatix>Ok if I am using the latest version of nvidia drivers from debian but want to start using the latest ones from nvidia should I first uninstall the non-free package from debian or can I just follow the nvidia instructions and assume the best will happen?
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06:35<xeon-enouf>aftershock_: dpkg -i filename.deb
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06:36<jm_>shiznatix: no, you should backport the driver from sid/experimental yo your release and install that
06:36<xeon-enouf>er, you have a metapkackeg only
06:36<xeon-enouf>nice typing, eh?
06:37<shiznatix>jm_, how do I backport the driver?
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06:37<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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06:37<aftershock_>i hate apple. keeps disconnecting me
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06:38<shiznatix>how do I ask this dpkg thing about <whatever>?
06:38<xeon-enouf>aftershock_: you need the kernel pkg, linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686 , not the metapackage
06:38<ml|>shiznatix: /msg dpkg selftell
06:38<xeon-enouf>should be ~50MB or so
06:38<jm_>shiznatix: see above - for dpkg it's /msg dpkg whatever
06:39<aftershock_>um my computer is an amd k6 it's not 686
06:39<aftershock_>it's 586
06:39<xeon-enouf>aftershock_: um, then linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-{4,5}86 , not the metapackage
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06:40<xeon-enouf>and start thinking about tossing that crap into the scrap heap :-p
06:40<adb> k6 is 686
06:40<xeon-enouf>adb: nope
06:40<xeon-enouf>-III perhaps
06:40<aftershock_>my dad'll only buy me a mac
06:41<adb>yes it is
06:41<aftershock_>i hate macs with a passion
06:41<xeon-enouf>who cares
06:41<aftershock_>so i'll stick with this till i can afford something better
06:41<xeon-enouf>adb: no, k7 are, not I and II k6
06:42<aftershock_>i have a 361 mhz k6 it is most definitely i586
06:42<xeon-enouf>nobody said not 586
06:42<aftershock_>adb said
06:42<xeon-enouf>heck, my p150 is a 586
06:43<xeon-enouf>aftershock_: nope
06:43<aftershock_>nice (y)
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06:43<xeon-enouf>could be a typo - want to argue all day? i'm not going to
06:46<shiznatix>Sorry, I am having trouble understanding what to do now. I searched for nvidia-glx but found nothing so I changed my sources.list: and updated according to the instructions but I am stuck at "apt-get build-dep nvidia-glx", says cant find source.
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06:47<aftershock_>alrite see you guys. there are a few good comps on aus ebay for a price i can afford
06:47<themill>gsimmons: heh, thanks. BTW judd can also have a stab at the right xorg driver for some cards now too using /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/*.ids for all the free drivers. I've just found /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz as a data source for the nvidia cards but I don't have a good one for fglrx.
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06:49<adb>shiznatix: it is in non-free branch ..
06:50<shiznatix>adb, sorry? how do I search for non-free in the backports?
06:51<Snowember>no, it's not in volitile
06:51<Snowember>it's in sid
06:52<shiznatix>adb, No I want to backport that to lenny, thats the sid version that I want to run on my lenny install but I don't know how to backport it to lenny
06:52<xeon-enouf>shiznatix: /sg dpkg non-free ; /msg dpkg contrib
06:52<xeon-enouf>er s,/sg,/msg
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06:54<adb>shiznatix: install it from sid , use wget it, install using dpkg -i , and see /msg dpkg m-a
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06:54<xeon-enouf>you want the build-dep
06:54<shiznatix>if I install it from sid won't that break things?
06:54<bremner>I'm getting write speed to a 16G flash drive topping out at 200K/s. dd gets about 1.2M/s. Is just a matter of lame technology, or is something fixable with the fat32 write speed?
06:55<xeon-enouf>shiznatix: yes
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06:56<shiznatix>I have non-free and contrib for the backports setup: but where do I go from here?
06:56<bremner>... --- ...
06:56*xeon-enouf waves at his pseudo-alter-deschutes-ego
06:57<xeon-enouf>shiznatix: not backports, read /msg dpkg ssb again
06:58<xeon-enouf>shiznatix: your "deb-src ... main contrib non-free" line
06:58<shiznatix>oh, my bad, yes, sid, not backports, will try again
06:58<xeon-enouf>shiznatix: er .. your "deb-src ... unstable/main contrib non-free" line
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06:59<shiznatix>xeon-enouf, like this yes? deb-src unstable main contrib non-free
07:01<shiznatix>doesn't seam to be wanting to work:
07:02<xeon-enouf>shiznatix: apt-get update
07:02<shiznatix>xeon-enouf, yes I did that before anything, and just tried it again now but still same exact result
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07:05<Snowember>apt-get -b source nvidia-glx
07:05<xeon-enouf>shiznatix: why nvidia-glx anyway? the <nvidia> factoid has been altered - does the wiki say to install nvidia-glx (that's only the userland libs, you need to build a kernel module; i.e.; nvidia.ko)? follow the instructs from there
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07:07<xeon-enouf>shiznatix: for source, it's usually apt-get source <pkgname> .... but nvidia installs/builds are very specific - are your linux-headers-`uname -r` installed?
07:08<xeon-enouf>!nvidia m-a
07:08<dpkg>The short version: aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. For instructions that should work, see
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07:09<shiznatix>xeon-enouf, let me see, i will read through all this again
07:10<xeon-enouf>shiznatix: i've only done it once. and was a while ago; and with legacy drivers for an old card - it worked though
07:11<xeon-enouf>so adb might've been on the mark ...
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07:11<jm_>he is trying to backport newer version, not just install whatever is available in the repository
07:12<xeon-enouf>well, for legacy (not his specific situation?), the drivers/source are only in sid
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07:13*xeon-enouf wonders if he should 1st install the backports .30 kernel+headers .. hrmph
07:13<xeon-enouf>he'll need linux-kbuild- as well?
07:14<shiznatix>Ok I have already done this stuff with the previous version, do I have to do it again? Shouldn't I just have to install a deb with the latest drivers from sid backported to lenny/
07:15<xeon-enouf>shiznatix: which kernel? each kernel revision requires a rebuild of nvidia.ko at the least
07:15<shiznatix>xeon-enouf, linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem
07:16*xeon-adb will ask nvidia for salary as nvidia supporter ..
07:16<xeon-enouf>!pay xeon-adb
07:16<shiznatix>xeon-enouf, but I have applied all the upgrades as they have come in and I believe the kernel has been upgraded since I installed the drivers but I have never had to do anything different after a kernel update
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07:17<jm_>shiznatix: driver alone is not enough, you need driver source, nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common, you first build driver from source and then install -glx
07:17<xeon-enouf>shiznatix: so wait, why are you doing this? dont you already have nvidia.ko for your kernel?
07:17<jm_>(-glx depends on kernel module)
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07:18<xeon-enouf>shiznatix: listen to jm_ and xeon-adb .. they have more experience wuth it than i
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07:18<shiznatix>jm_, would there be a way to take the source then package it so that I can upgrade / remove it easier later on if needed?
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07:19<jm_>shiznatix: what do you mean?
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07:20<jm_>shiznatix: i'll be back in 15 minutes
07:20<shiznatix>jm_, you said I need to build the driver from source then install it, but I don't really like installing things from source since it makes uninstall them harder than if they are a package
07:20<shiznatix>and the reason I want to upgrade is because I am getting crazy stuff like this:
07:21<xeon-enouf>shiznatix: no, when you build, a .deb is created, then installed with dpkg
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07:21*xeon-adb will donate to Debian project his nvidia salary
07:21<xeon-enouf>shiznatix: no, when you build (a backport, a pkg), a .deb is created, then installed with dpkg
07:21<xeon-enouf>shiznatix: hence the ease of installation/removal
07:22<xeon-enouf>shiznatix: this stuff doesn't go into /usr/local/ or something like other source does - even module-assistant (m-a) generates a .deb fo you
07:23<lizka>привет пидоры)
07:23<lizka>да русских нет))0
07:23<lizka>ну тогда пока пидоры)
07:23<xeon-adb>dpkg: tell lizka -about ru
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07:24*xeon-enouf asks the channel for alcohol donations; preferably white liquor (atleast 80 proof), no gin though :-P
07:24<shiznatix>ok I have the source of "nvidia-graphics-drivers" how do I "build" from it?
07:25*bremner hopes xeon-enouf is in a different time zone than he is
07:25<craigevil>xeon-enouf: you should be proud im actually using irssi :)
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07:25<shiznatix>I have this downloaded:
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07:28<snogglethorpe>(what's wrong with gin...?)
07:30*xeon-adb destroy neurons ?
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07:39<shiznatix>ok hopefully I will be back within an hour
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07:40<jm_>shiznatix: from debian source! you will build packages
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07:59<squelos>i have problems with synaptic.
08:00<squelos>i get broken packages : error code E i think
08:00<gsimmons>themill: A source generated from the X server log file (fglrx-supported.txt) used to be provided, but was dropped in fglrx-driver 8.34.8-1. You will probably need to use the aliases in the fglrx module.
08:00<squelos>im french so i have a french install (have the logs are in english, the other half in french ...)
08:00<squelos>themill, having problems with fglrx drivers ?
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08:01<OdyX>squelos: do you have issues with aptitude ?
08:01<chamith>Yo! folks
08:01<squelos>well im actually trying to install emerald, but in isnt in the repos, so i added a repo
08:02<OdyX>ah... then complain to the repo.
08:02<squelos>and it tells me its broken, well it tells me i need such packages, but when i try installing theses packages, it tells me i need the first one ...
08:02<chamith>QQ - recommend me a good IM client with voice support
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08:02<OdyX>squelos: b0rken repository...
08:02<OdyX>squelos: don't fuck up your Debian ! :p
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08:04<squelos>ok, but how do i get emerald :p
08:04<squelos>can i compile it just ?
08:04<squelos>why do you say borken instead of broken ? is it like pron and porn ?
08:05<chamith>good one squelos
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08:06<squelos>is that it ?
08:06<koollman>it is
08:06<chamith>it is
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08:08<squelos>oh, i was quite far from it.
08:13<OdyX>squelos: why do you need emerald afterall ?
08:15<chamith>people still use emerald ha? LOL
08:15<OdyX>chamith: no no... they try
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08:15<squelos>well i dunno, emerald is cool. i had a really cool skin for emerald. with transparency etc ...
08:15<squelos>what do people use now ?
08:15<squelos>i got compiz-fusion installed
08:15<OdyX>squelos: I use kwin4 compositing features
08:17<squelos>kwin4. never heard of it. is it a WM ?
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08:17<OdyX>squelos: its the windows manager of KDE4
08:18<dpkg>kde 4 is probably the version of kde that you will find in Squeeze. Because kde4 is so new, you might get more assistance in #debian-kde on Backports for lenny of older versions of kde4 are available from
08:18<squelos>i got gnome
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08:19<squelos>i got compiz fusion too :D
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08:19<squelos>well, i might try it.
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08:19<squelos>is it in the debian repos ?
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08:23<squelos>im gonna give KDE a try :)
08:23<squelos>do i need to close X, and apt-get remove gnome
08:23<squelos>then apt-get install KDE ?
08:24<OdyX>squelos: are you on Sid or Squeeze ?
08:24<chamith>yea it's worth to give a try to have have emerald and compiz and other fancy stuff, but I'm not recommending to use it forever
08:25<OdyX>emerald and compiz ? not for real work :p
08:26<squelos>hum no actually not
08:26<squelos>im on stable.
08:26<squelos>i used to be on squeeze.
08:26<OdyX>aouch... pretty harder then
08:26<chamith>of course ... !for_real_work()
08:26<squelos>why ? I can upgrade to squeeze.
08:26<chamith>i'm using XFCE for about 3 years now with out any issues
08:26<OdyX>yeah :p
08:26<squelos>i dont like XFCE.
08:27<chamith>less graphics ???
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08:27<squelos>no i dont know why
08:27<squelos>i just didnt like it
08:27<OdyX>squelos: upgrade to squeeze and install kde-minimal
08:27<chamith>the factor I like is it's light weight
08:28<squelos>yeah it sure is.
08:28<xeon-enouf>one person's lightweight is another person's bloated dump ;-)
08:28<squelos>ok odyx. but can i not just apt-get install -t squeeze dke-minimal ?
08:29<xeon-enouf>ml|: in general; software needs to become anhorexic :-p
08:29<chamith>Dude I can't gurantee what will happen if you try dke-minimal ... try kde-minimal :D
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08:29<squelos>DKE i mean
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08:29<ml|>lightweight = wm only and good one at that xmonad! :)
08:30<xeon-enouf>there;s kde-core and/or kde-libs or someshit, maybe only 3.5.x related - dunno
08:30<OdyX>squelos: It most probably wont work...
08:30<ml|>xeon-enouf: agreed
08:30<bremner>and ml| will teach you enough Haskell t configure xmonad, he promises
08:30<squelos>ok odyx, ill upgrade then.
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08:30<ml|>bremner: hehe
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08:31<ml|>squelos: before you do you what testing is correct?
08:31<squelos>yes i do.
08:31<squelos>i had sid for a few months
08:31*xeon-enouf is too busy fighting gin lovers, and this broken POFS keyboard
08:31*xeon-enouf has gotten his hands on some Scotch - ftw \o/
08:31<ml|>ok, as long as you know
08:32<squelos>then i went back to windows, and im back here.
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08:32<squelos>but testing should be ok. I didnt have much trouble with sid, so testing should be ok
08:32<ml|>squelos: good luck :)
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08:34<xeon-enouf>squelos: forthe most part; AFAIK; testing has settled in nicely since the release of Lenny, however; things like the linux-image-VERSION and large pkgs like KDE(kde-full) still have issues, whether sid(the latter only), or squeeze
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08:36<squelos>pkgs ?
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08:36<squelos>package gestion ?
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08:38<ml|>xeon-enouf: still drinking?
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08:40<xeon-enouf>ml|: more than you know
08:40<ml|>heh :)
08:41<xeon-enouf>ml|: i'm starting to like rodents due to these keyboard catastrophes
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08:43<ml|>there not all that bad, but be careful, it might rebel and snap at you
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08:44<xeon-enouf>ml|: s/there/they're
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08:44<xeon-enouf>ml|: i have a large snake for those circumstances ;-)
08:44<ml|>yes, oops and haha
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08:49<Ubuntu-perdido>Hola buenos días
08:49<Ubuntu-perdido>alguien me puede decir que diferencia hay de Debian a Ubuntu..?
08:49<Ubuntu-perdido>Tengo instalado ubuntu pero me han dicho que debian es algo más "estable"
08:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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08:50<Ubuntu-perdido>dpkg disculpa.
08:50<dpkg>Ubuntu-perdido: i don't know
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08:50<ml|>Ubuntu-perdido: see es pero visita #debian-es
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09:26<bremner>I want to migrate usr var and home to new partitions (diff. filesys). I want to avoid single user mode as much as practical. Hints or warnings?
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09:34<xeon-enouf>bremner: why?
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09:35<xeon-enouf>"I want to avoid single user mode"
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09:35<bremner>Remote machine
09:35<xeon-enouf>just rsync the suckers
09:36<xeon-enouf>er .. so?
09:36<bremner>Ssh to single user?
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09:38<xeon-enouf>/etc/init.d/ssh is too hard?
09:38<xeon-enouf>er /etc/init.d/ssh start is too hard?
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09:40*xeon-enouf smacks tbe monkey who put the cart before the horse, but ....
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09:42<ntn>lol xeon-enouf
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09:45<NorWayDude>Guys, when i enter the *Debian page* Should i download the Alpha DVD image?
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09:46<bremner>NorWayDude: did you buy your computer before 1993?
09:46<bremner>probably not then
09:46<dpkg>WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. #alpha on Ask me about <qotd230>.
09:47<NorWayDude>What should i download then?
09:47<bremner>xeon-enouf: If I had followed your advice, it would look something like
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09:47<kmap>NorWayDude: What sort of computer are you using?
09:48<NorWayDude>Dell Vostro 1000
09:48<kmap>NorWayDude: OK, then get the i386 CD/DVD
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10:10<Zathraz>Hi. I upgrade a Debian Etch (2.6.18 kernel) to Lenny (2.6.26-2 kernel) on an old EPIA mobo. Now X does not start as it misses 4 modules ("type1", "v4l", "via" and "ivtvdev") where can I find info on this please?
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10:12<dutche>Hi, I'm trying to install in a Q9950 Quad AMD processor, with a M4N78-SE Asus mb, but when I run the normal installation, it shows me a dark screen...when I try the expert mode, it shows me a lot of things (nothing weird) and then stop at the sda1 disk. Does anybody knows what could be it?? I tried kmuto's version too, it works but when it makes the LVM PV, VG and then the LV's, it says that cannot mount these LV's with reiserfs.
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10:13<Zathraz>it also seems that ivtv modules is no longer there. It used to be a manually compiled thing, but now it should be in the kernel if I am not mistaken
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10:15<retroj>hi. I downloaded CD 1 of the current Debian Testing, and it doesn't boot. it just hangs with a blinking cursor. it's supposed to be a boot disc, right?
10:17<jmw>Zathraz: you need packages like xserver-xorg-video-v4l, xserver-xorg-video-ivtv and so on. apt-get search is your friend
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10:21<Zathraz>jmw, afaik I have all ivtv stuff except the dbg driver installed
10:22<chealer>Zathraz: could you paste your X log? do you have xorg installed?
10:23<chealer>retroj: yes. which URL did you download from?
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10:23<Zathraz>the 4vl driver got missing, so reinstalling. I will reinstall, restart and post/paste if it does not work
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10:25<Zathraz>got rid of 2 errors. 2 errors remaining. one mo please
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10:28<chealer>Zathraz: X is looking for X modules, not LKM-s.
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10:30<Zathraz>chealer, so ... ? (I do not get your remark)
10:31<chealer>Zathraz: X modules are not in the kernel
10:31<Zathraz>yes, I know. So maybe some packages got removed during dist upgrade
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10:32<Zathraz>but I fail to see those in patitude
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10:33<Zathraz>I reinstalled 2 packages that seems to get lost, so now I have 2 X errors less. But these 2 are still there
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10:33<Zathraz>however ivtvdev used to be a manual compilation module iirc. But ivtv is now in the kernel
10:34<Zathraz>type1 : I am not familiar with that driver
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10:34<dehqan>good day every body, i'll be thankfull if you guide ,libfprint0 needs glibc 2.8 but version 2.7 is installed now on debian ,and changing glibc version may cause problems ,is it possibe to install lower version of libfprint0 that wants glibc 2.7 ?
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10:39<And1>Hey folks, any ideas, how to disable my mousewheel in urxvt?
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10:41<chealer>Zathraz: as I wrote, X is looking for X modules, not LKM-s. X modules are not in the kernel.
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11:26<phorce1>When I install dhcp-server with aptitude does it, by default, start trying to serve up addresses on one of my networks? I need it to NOT serve any addresses, this is for a PXE boot of a single machine only
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11:37<explicit_>hey guys, i've followed a basic guide on how to set a static ip address, i'm behind a linksys router, should the network & gateway address be the same as my routers? in my case
11:37<explicit_>i can ping local + internet addresses fine
11:38<explicit_>i followed this guide, but there's no explanation
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11:54<Zathraz>explicit_, your gw IP definition should be the same as the IP of the router: correct
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12:27<forest>Trying to install flash (ugh) on fully up-to-date Lenny machine but I am getting this:
12:27<forest> flashplugin-nonfree
12:27<forest>"The following packages are BROKEN: flashplugin-nonfree: Depends: libnss3-1d but it is not installable
12:27<forest>Any suggestions?
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12:28<forest>I need flash to view Google analtics, unfortunately :-(
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12:30<trmanovo>forest: use marillat's debs
12:31<forest>thanks for the suggestion trmanovo I'll try that now
12:32<stash>hello, anybody speak in russian?
12:32<trmanovo>go ahead stash
12:33<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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12:33<themill>forest: flashplugin-nonfree isn't in lenny at all -- how are you trying to install it?
12:35<forest>with backports of course
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12:35<forest>non-free contrib
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12:36<forest> "Your search - flashplugin-nonfree - did not match any documents."
12:37<forest>trmanovo: The first package to install is debian-multimedia-keyring.?
12:37<themill>forest: please don't confuse things by asking the same question in multiple places at the same time. You're just wasting people's time.
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12:37<forest>themill: thanks but I believe I am asking on 2 different networks?
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12:38<forest>themill: in my experience the answers on freenode debian channel and the channel can differe GREATLY
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12:38<forest>but I do appreciate your insight
12:38<trmanovo>forest: sorry for wrong pointer, backports should do it, yeap, debian-multimediar-ing would be first. As far as I am concerned, Marillat and backports are the only sources I use/trust besides offcial ones
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12:40<themill>forest: in the same way as it is impolite to post the same question to 2 different mailing lists or news groups at the same time, it's impolite to post the same question in multiple channels at the same time. Volunteers are expending effort to help you -- why have two people on two different networks give you the same answer?
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12:41<forest>themill: that makes sense and I'm not a big fan of mailing list cross posts. As I said I have gotten different answers in the past. I will definitely consider what you have said and thanks for the analogy.
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12:42<IAMERROR>does anyone here know how to take a subprocess call in python and get it to return the results other than the return code of the command
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12:44<themill>forest: in any case, the package on dmm has a different name. "/msg dpkg adobe flash"
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12:45<themill>forest: and the libnss3-1d package should be installable -- do you have a main mirror in your sources.list?
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12:46<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:47<Saa_Ruky>hay alguiien¿?
12:47<bja>dpkg: tell Saa_Ruky about es
12:47<Saa_Ruky>k tl stas¿?
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12:48<bja>Saa_Ruky: please type /j #debian-es-cachondeo
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12:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:49<bja>mitch000001: long gone
12:49<mitch000001>but i love this dpkg-bot :D
12:49<bja>me too
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12:49<mitch000001>the best idea ever
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12:51<Saa_Ruky>como estas¿?
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12:56<forest>themill: I don't have a main mirror. I will add one, but I have also just added debian-multimedia
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13:04<forest>trifolio6: & themill thanks for your advice, I have it working now.
13:04<forest>hope to see you at DebConf X !
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13:04<trifolio6>ill go there .9
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13:19<southernc>]/msg ml| haha if you ever get extremely bored someday try installing gentoo
13:20<southernc>that worked good
13:22<phorce1>is there a debian SPECIFIC howto for getting netboot to work using tftp-hpa and dhcp3-server? The install manual seems to be a bit too generic for me to get a handle on. I need a setup that just serves a single address and the tftp files to one machine on one of my networks for fresh lenny install
13:26<southernc>if you wanna use a single adress just make it static
13:29<southernc>phorce1: what arch ?
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13:31<phorce1>southernc: i386 on both machines. rtl8139 on the one I'm trying to netboot. plugged into the same switch as the machine I'm trying to serve from
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13:32<southernc>ok so which part of the guise dont you understand ?
13:32<ComradeHaz>E: Couldn't configure pre-depend libc6-i386 for lib32stdc++6, probably a dependency cycle.
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13:32<ComradeHaz>oops, sorry.
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13:32<ComradeHaz>Coould someone help me get around that when trying to upgrade an unstable system
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13:33<phorce1>bpun: the pxe machine never seems to reach the server. No messages in syslog from the dhcp server. I've got something screwed up.
13:33<phorce1>is there some spot that I have to specify that a machine is offering a dhcp/bootp address to get a system to PXE boot if the machine offering the address is not the network default gateway?
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13:34<phorce1>oops ^^^ that first one should have had southernc in front of it
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13:36<southernc>phorce1: look at section 4.5.2
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13:39<ComradeHaz>hmm, so suffering the folowing bug: Given there is no solution there, please can someone advise a workaround?
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13:40<phorce1>southernc: I've done that but never see the request from the netboot machine. I do see activity on it's connection at the switch. That's why I was wondering if there was some place I had to specify that THIS machine is the one trying to serve an address to the PXE machine
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13:41<bja>dpkg: tell Alli about ask
13:41<phorce1>lemme fire up tcpdump and turn the pxe machine back on
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13:42<southernc>phorce1: the server is the one that will act as a dhcp and therefor it should do all of the assignig
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13:44<southernc>phorce1: did you make sure inetd is setup correctly ?
13:44*phorce1 obviously has something screwed up in his dhcp server set up. Time to re-read
13:45<phorce1>12:42:31.716807 00:d0:c9:28:73:60 (oui Unknown) > 03:00:02:00:00:00 (oui Unknown) Unknown DSAP 0xfc Unnumbered, ui, Flags [Command], length 86
13:45<phorce1>that's the PXE machine from a tcpdump
13:46<phorce1>tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
13:46<southernc>yea well as you can clearly see its assinging or trying to assing / o r use a incorrect hardware adress
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13:48<southernc>so you fgotta fix the
13:48<southernc> ha=0123456789AB:
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13:48<southernc>in /etcbootptab
13:48<southernc>in /etc/bootptab
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13:48*xeon-enouf thinks southernc has one of enouf's crappy keyboards
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13:49<phorce1>there is no /etc/bootptab. I'm using dhcp3-server
13:50<phorce1>there is this line in dhcpd.conf ===> hardware ethernet 00:d0:c9:28:73:60;
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13:56<NorWayDude>Im going guys.........
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14:01<mike>hi everybody
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14:02<mike>I have a simple question, someone care to hear it ?
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14:02<bremner>!tell mike -about ask
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14:03<mike>I have a lenny installed with no destop, why can't I have more than one console ?
14:04<southernc>ctrl alt f1 f2 f3 f4 f5 f6 f7 f8
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14:04<mike>I know but nothing shows up, only a blinking underscore on top left corner
14:05<xeon-enouf>phorce1: might want to give a look at;
14:06<mike>I had more than one console at some time while exploring 'jobs' or other process supervising commands..
14:06<xeon-enouf>phorce1: seems he's using dhcp3-server as well - note; "... Once installed the server is configured in the file /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf"
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14:07<southernc>there not consoles there ttys
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14:07<bremner>mike: can you pastebin /etc/inittab ?
14:08<bremner>mike: also, you're not in single user mode are you?
14:08<mike>bremner 2min sorry
14:09<xeon-enouf>mike: 'runlevel' says?
14:09<southernc>if your kernel boot line has single in it your in single user boot
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14:10<xeon-enouf>right, that's single, after a root login
14:10<mike>I boot in single mode...
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14:10<bremner>well, there ya go then. Don't.
14:10<mike>you guys must be having fun right now :P
14:10<xeon-enouf>hence one getty
14:10<mike>ok I didn't know that
14:10<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
14:10<southernc>Dummm dumm dum'
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14:11<southernc>that will be 10.99 please drive thru
14:12<mike>put that on my bill..
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14:12<kop>Is there a way to increase the number of softlinks supported by an ext3 fs? Preferably without compiling.
14:12<southernc>your credit line has been revoked sorry
14:13<mike>I think I'll go read stuff about single mode..
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14:14<kop>mike: Bash job control is handy too.
14:14<xeon-enouf>kop: i don't think so, but not certain.. i didn't realize there was a limit on symlinks as such - do you mean more available inodes?
14:15<southernc>215 ~= 32k. only way to change is by xchanging the number and recompiling
14:15<xeon-enouf>can you pastebin output of tune2fs -l /dev/hdXX
14:15<xeon-enouf>32k is also a dir/ limit
14:16<kop>xeon-enouf: Nope. I've enough inodes. There's a limit (seems to be 2048ish) on softlinks. Whodathought I'd need that many.
14:16<xeon-enouf>wow - heh
14:16<themill>kop: softlinks in a dir?
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14:17<kop>xeon-enouf: I got suckered into gnu arch, which uses gobs. And now I'm trying to hardlink rsync backups (come to think of it, it's a hardlink limit I'm bumping into, not softlinks.)
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14:17<themill>kop: ahhh.... have you come across rsnapshot, btw?
14:17<kop>xeon-enouf: The easy answer it to ditch arch. it's been on my todo list for a while....
14:18<kop>themill: Haven't paid attention. I'll take a look.
14:18<xeon-enouf>kop: haha - but how would one learn then - fix it, or modify it in an attempt - if you goof, oh well ;-0
14:18<kop>themill: I've already rolled my own rsync tool....
14:19<dpkg>[nih] "Not Invented Here" - a syndrome often suffered by developers and companies who tend to reinvent the wheel for no reason other than being able to put their name on it.
14:19<themill>rsnapshot is excellent. BTW I just created 3000 hardlinks to a file on ext3 with no issues
14:19<kop>themill: Sure, but rsnapshot didn't exist at the time. And I didn't like dirvish, which is pull only (or push only, I'm not sure.)
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14:20<Gathond>why would hardlinks have a limit? they are just extra inodes that ... well happen to point at the same thing as another one right?
14:21<computergeek>Does anyone know of an RSS reaer for Debian that syncs with Google Reader?
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14:21<themill>(rsnapshot has been in debian for 5 years)
14:21<computergeek>I tried Liferea but it's not new enough to support that
14:21<kop>Gathond: Because C does not garbage collect, so there tends to be limits built into data sructures.
14:21<Gathond>kop: but which? the link counter perhaps?
14:21<phorce1>still this: 13:18:07.834820 00:d0:c9:28:73:60 (oui Unknown) > 03:00:02:00:00:00 (oui Unknown) Unknown DSAP 0xfc Unnumbered, ui, Flags [Command], length 86
14:22<phorce1>xeon-enouf: I'll read the separate page you posted. Maybe it'll hit me with a clue stick
14:22<Gathond>kop: my mental map of the hardlinks has it as not one datastructure, but x (number of links to file) datastructures pointing at the same data
14:22<kop>themill: Dunno. I've had this script for quite some time. There's always been a need to backup....
14:23<xeon-enouf>phorce1: i' thinking the same - read thoroughly - seems there's some "gotchas" to watch out for
14:23<Gathond>right, the one I figured could give problems, the linkcounter
14:23<themill>kop: anyway, I've managed to make 20000 hardlinks to a single file so I'm guessing this isn't your problem
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14:26<computergeek>Does anypne know of an RSS feed reader that synchonizes with Google Reader?
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14:27<phorce1>xeon-enouf: this is the "assumption" that the guide makes that I have a problem with: We'll allow all local machines to boot and get an IP address via DHCP from the range xxx - yyy
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14:31<southernc>phorce1: that why you specify the hawrdware adress
14:31<xeon-enouf>phorce1: you don't want or can't specify a range?
14:32<phorce1>don't want any other machine that may have dhcp as their first network setup choice to grab an IP
14:33<mike>thanks everyone, help was all good! see yaa
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14:33<computergeek>Does anyone know of an RSS feed reader for Debian that synchonizes with Google Reader?
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14:33<phorce1>xeon-enouf: there is no DHCP server on this network. We have a few XP machines that use DHCP with fallback to static if DHCP fails. I want them to always use their static addresses and never grab one from DHCP
14:34<xeon-enouf>computergeek: try maybe ##linux (or #debian) on
14:34<computergeek>xeon-enouf thanks!
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14:38<egwor>i've seen lots of info about the linux kernel null pointer security issue. I've not seen anything relating to whether this impacts my debian etch install or not... how would I find out?
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14:41<xeon-enouf>phorce1: that's confusing to me; if you don't want XP machines using DHCP, set them up with static only - the way i understand it is; (basically) the DHCP Server is always broadcasting, the clients ask for leases - maybe you have a redmond network (chatter/netbios crud) issue? or ugh, some zeroconf/avahi funk going on?
14:41<sney>egwor: by finding out which kernel versions it applies to, and doing uname -r
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14:42<xeon-enouf>read d-s-a
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14:44<ml|>southernc: heh, being there done that ;)
14:44<phorce1>xeon-enouf: laptops that get carried around. Need DHCP at other places but static here. Trying to avoid having to configure a *fully* operational DHCP server including getting the MAC from every one of those laptops, including new ones carried in for only a day, and setting up static addresses for them in dchpd.conf
14:45<phorce1>I only need this to serve to a single PXE boot machine every once in a while
14:46<egwor>cheers. Am running a xen kernel, so I guess it's imapcted too
14:47<xeon-enouf>phorce1: i don't think you can tell a dhcp-server to only broadcast to a certain machine, but not sure - tried ##networking? (freenode, i guess)
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14:47<ml|>static dhcp should be possible
14:48<xeon-adb>phorce1: use a spare switch only for server and client pxe
14:48<xeon-adb>or a crossover cable
14:49<ml|>heh, adb
14:49<xeon-enouf>phorce1: does it have to be a pxe boot? could you do it from floppy? (not even sure if applicable)
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14:50*xeon-enouf ^fives his new xeon-riffic companion
14:50*xeon-enouf should be collecting royalties from intel corp
14:51<themill>phorce1: why not just make your entire network dhcp? That's what I've done here.
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14:54<phorce1>xeon-enouf: no floppy, no cd, no nuttin. I may try the spare switch thing but I'll have to add another NIC to this machine or set up another
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14:54<phorce1>themill: It's been static too long for me to want to mess with it. Full /24 with 17 servers and a handful of other systems running
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14:57<rebecca>I just installed debian on my Dell D600 and installed the b34 driver. I use wicd. When I tell it to do a scan it lists my AP. but then it won't connect. Can some one help me?
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14:59<bja>rebecca: do you have a broadcom wifi card or an intel one?
14:59<bja>I've seen a few dells with the intel card
14:59<ml|>rsnapshot ftw :)
15:04<rebecca>bja BCM
15:04<rebecca>bja: BCM
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15:05<rebecca>any help?
15:06<bremner>does it work without WEP/WPA?
15:07<bja>rebecca: sorry BCM4312 here and still unable to fire it up :(
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15:09<rebecca>it fails to connect to any AP
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15:10<rebecca>WPA2 / noencrypt
15:10<bremner>rebecca: and your chipset is supposed to be supported by bt43?
15:11<bremner>there is also the non-free driver, but not in lenny
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15:13<rebecca>bcm4306 (Rev. 2 uses b43legacy, Rev. 3 uses b43)
15:13<rebecca>according to lspci I have rev 3
15:14<xeon-adb>rebecca: lspci -nn | grep Wi
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15:14<rebecca>02:03.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4320] (rev 03)
15:15<xeon-adb>rebecca: and uname -r
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15:17<xeon-adb>rebecca: ubuntu ?
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15:18<rebecca>it shouldn't be
15:18<rebecca>should be debian
15:19<xeon-adb> cat /etc/issue , says ?
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15:19<rebecca>it's blank
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15:20<xeon-adb>so it's not debian
15:20<xeon-enouf>cat /proc/version
15:20<chahibi>it is a trap!
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15:21<xeon-enouf>phorce1: yeah, for your already-set-and-working setup, a direct conn between client/server sounds best/logical
15:22<rebecca>Linux version 2.6.28-11-686 (gcc version 4.3.3 ) SMP Fri Apr 17 01:57:59 UTC 2009
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15:22<xeon-enouf>well, that's some truncated output
15:22<xeon-enouf>(or a custom kernel)
15:24<xeon-adb>xeon-enouf: even debian 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 used (gcc version 4.3.2 ) ..
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15:25<ml|>chahibi: hah
15:25<xeon-enouf>yeah, my sid .30 used 4.3.3
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15:26<xeon-enouf>speaking of firmwares (-free and -nonfree), you guys got all this?
15:27<ml|>xeon-enouf: good? no way
15:27<retroj>hi, I'm having some difficulty doing an install. I'm doing a cd install of testing amd64 to a core2 duo system. I boot the cd and get the first screen, where I select "Install", and then I just get a blank screen with a blinking cursor. Totally puzzled. Any suggestions?
15:28<ml|>why not install with lenny installer and then upgarde to testing?
15:28<xeon-enouf>retroj: try typing 'expert' at the boot prompt, then check alt-f4 formessages
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15:28<xeon-enouf>retroj: i think the testing installer is having some issues
15:29<xeon-enouf>hence; testing!
15:29<xeon-enouf>Installation reports (or failed attempts) will help the team - AFAICT
15:30<ml|>yeah, that would be helpful
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15:30<retroj>thanks... looks like it might be failing on the onboard firewire device
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15:30<ml|>then use lenny installer after reporting your issues
15:31<xeon-enouf>ahh .. mine also flaked at the eth1394 crap
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15:31<xeon-enouf>(well, just setup the interfaces incorrectly - easily resolved)
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15:32<retroj>what do you mean by "lenny installer"?
15:32<xeon-enouf>retroj: testing amd64 != lenny installer
15:32<dpkg>5.0 lenny is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 14, 2009). See for images. Etch is still available from . Developers page is . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on Also ask me about <errata>.
15:32<retroj>ok, gotcha
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15:34<ret>Do, when does Debian 6.0 come out?
15:34<xeon-enouf>ml|: i meant "good" as in; you understand it!? i sure as hell don't
15:35<candelaresi>i need to open port 9014
15:35<candelaresi>i opened it with iptables
15:35<xeon-enouf>it was open already
15:35<candelaresi>and when i do iptables -L, the port is open
15:36<candelaresi>but, when i execute nmap from other pc of the network
15:36<candelaresi>the port is close
15:36<chaos>can i make every package be updated? even if they don't need to be?
15:36<Gathond>chaos: no, you can however reinstall them
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15:36<xeon-enouf>chaos: perhaps you want to bump up to a newer suite? dist-upgrade?
15:36<Gathond>which does in no way update them though
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15:37<candelaresi>anyone knows why?
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15:37<chaos>i deleted my /usr & /var partially and i have nfi which packages were effected
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15:37<ml|>xeon-enouf: well, 'Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes' sums it up ;(
15:37<Gathond>candelaresi: does anything listen on that port?
15:37<xeon-enouf>ml|: oh goody!
15:37<chaos>i fetched a full /usr from a friend with the same distribution of debian
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15:38<chaos>and things seems to be working now but i'm quite sure if i tried to reboot all the files which were open when i deleted them will disappear and i won't even be able to boot
15:38<kop>themill: I take it back, the limit seems to be around 32000 hard links.
15:38<chaos>so i thought reinstalling every package would fix it
15:38<xeon-enouf>i would likely feed apt-get a list of /var/cache .. oh wait. is /var/cache/apt/archives gone?
15:38<Gathond>chaos: probably
15:39<chaos>and i wouldn't lose my data / settings
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15:40<kop>themill: (And arch togther with rsync hard links wants more links than that.)
15:40<chaos>somehow i doubt purge & reinstall is an option with the most basic packages :\
15:40<xeon-enouf>chaos: right now, backup your /etc/ and /home
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15:41<xeon-enouf>no purge
15:41<ml|>chaos: right backup what you want and reinstall, easier if you had a seperate /home partition
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15:41<Gathond>chaos: reinstall, seriously it IS an option to apt or dpkg or aptitude
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15:42<dpkg>One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup>
15:42<xeon-enouf>i wonder what yours looks like at this point, heh
15:42<ml|>his might mess up tho
15:43<phorce1>xeon-enouf: tried adding eth1:1 going through the same switch with a standalone subnet but still failing. What gets me is that the ONLY place I see traffic is in a tcpdump. I don't see any log entries from dhcp-server or tftpd
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15:43<xeon-enouf>phorce1: interesting, but unfortunately, i have nfclue ;-)
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15:44<phorce1>me either, and that's annoying
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15:44<foo-nix>What in debian starts the wpa_supplicant / wpa_cli daemons? I have this configuration:
15:44<ml|>chaos: wheren't you asking about this before?
15:44*phorce1 is going to go outside and do some more digging and filling on a pumped-drain-tank setup he needs to finish
15:44<chaos>2 days ago i think
15:45<chaos>my system is still alive
15:45<xeon-enouf>foo-nix: many deamons can be setup in /etc/default -though net is brought up way early in boot
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15:46<chaos>since i issued rm -rf /usr /var and ctrl+c'ed it b4 all of /usr was gone i'm assuming my /var is unharmed
15:46<ml|>chaos: ah, ok unfortunately backup and reinstall are your best options
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15:46<foo-nix>xeon-adb, When I start the init script networking I would thing the wpa_supplicant daemon is started (given my configuration). Am I wrong here?
15:47<ml|>wrong xeon heh
15:47<dpkg>wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA.
15:47<xeon-enouf>foo-nix: read the /etc/init.d/networking script
15:48<xeon-enouf>foo-nix: please /msg dpkg wifi howto if noboby else jumps in - i am basically wifi illiterate
15:48<chaos>if i do reinstall it and once the basic thing is up i copy my old /etc & /home back i would just have to guess what packages i had no idea i had before?
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15:49<foo-nix>xeon-adb, kk, thanx
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15:49<ml|>chaos: you can try selections dpkg said, but they might be mess up
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15:50<xeon-enouf>chaos: ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives | wc -l says?
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15:50<chaos>i periodically delete the pacakges cos it's a waste of space :)
15:50<foo-nix>xeon-adb: my logic suggests that the interfaces config files is to say howto get an ip and do dns, and the wpa_supplicant.conf file for associating to an access point
15:51<ml|>chaos: that's fine i do the same
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15:51<xeon-enouf>chaos: delete? depends on *how*
15:51<chaos>although .. i could dpkg -l |grep ^ii ... that would list all the installed packages which i could replicate after reinstall! :)
15:52<xeon-enouf>since APT has that functionality built in, to remove pkgs no longer avail nor needed
15:52<ml|>if /var was not touched dpkg --get-selections should work
15:52<chaos>xeon-adb: rm -f /var/cache/apt/archives/* && touch /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
15:52<xeon-enouf>you might have to track down older installed pkgs
15:53<xeon-enouf>ml|: wrong xeon :-P
15:53<chaos>i ran upgrade less than a month ago to have an uptodate system for creating a deboostrap :)
15:53<ml|>chaos: you should do that with aptitude
15:53<xeon-enouf>xeon-adb: you're causing yourself some pain ... in being my friend ;-)
15:53<ml|>not with rm -f
15:53<ml|>xeon-enouf: hah
15:54<chaos>i didn't even know there was anything besides dpkg, dselect & apt-* until i joined here recently :)
15:54<xeon-enouf>!dstats lenny
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15:54*xeon-adb waiting the 3-rd xeon , maybe ml| ?
15:54<chaos>ml|: well i'm too lazy usually and use midnight commander anyway
15:55<dpkg>Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22971 packages, 1933 maintainers, 59039 MB installed size, 20845 MB compressed size.
15:55<ml|>chaos: man aptitude i use aptitude autoclean aptitude clean and aptitude purge ~c in a simple script to keep my system clean
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15:56<ml|>dpkg: why aptitude
15:56<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
15:56<xeon-enouf>i use apt-get autoclean (and autoremove occassionaly) as needed - localepurge does wonders :-P
15:57<xeon-enouf>someone needs to update that
15:57<ml|>xeon-enouf: no thank you ;)
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15:58<ml|>xeon-enouf: that factoid looks fine to me
15:59<xeon-enouf>ml|: newer APT versions also have that functionality
15:59<ml|>ok, aptitude ftw here anyways :)
16:02<chaos>well i have the dpkg -l|grep ^ii and the dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile both ... i'm gonna reinstall but if it fails i'm gonna come back and make you sorry :P
16:02<chaos>i really need this box working!
16:02<ml|>chaos: you made the mistake not us ;)
16:02<chaos>hey.. i'm only human :P
16:03<ml|>not xeon-enouf
16:03<k1lumin4t1>at last!
16:03<k1lumin4t1>Linux 2.6.30 in Debian Squeeze
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16:03<k1lumin4t1>2000 years to get in
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16:04<ml|>k1lumin4t1: you could have installed from sid when you wanted
16:04<xeon-enouf>judd: kernels
16:04<judd>xeon-enouf: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc5-686 (2.6.31~rc5-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14098); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-5); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-5~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch2); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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16:04<xeon-enouf>judd: update yourself
16:04<judd>xeon-enouf: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
16:04<ml|>maybe judd is behind
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16:06<ml|>judd: whoami
16:06<judd>ml|: I don't recognize you.
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16:07<xeon-adb>ml|: try /nick xeon-ml|
16:07<ml|>xeon-adb: haha, no thanks
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16:08<ml|>i prefer my 2 letter nick :)
16:09<k1lumin4t1>ml|, when in Sid it was all screwede up, and I couldn't get my ATI propietary driver working
16:09<ml|>ok, so it's fixed now?
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16:10<xeon-enouf>er.. the kernel from sid migrates into testing ...
16:11<ml|>yeah takes time
16:13<ml|>wouldn't that be a ati propietary driver issue rather than a kernel issue anyways?
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16:22<bja>ml|: drivers are kernel specific
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16:30<ml|>bja: so whenever a new kernel comes out ati or whomever needs to put out a new driver?
16:31<bja>ml|: no, they just need to recompile the driver for the kernel
16:31<Gathond>ml|: depends on whether the kernel people changed anything that broke it
16:32<ml|>ah, ok don't use a propietary stuff here, thank you both for the info
16:32<Gathond>but essentially yes, most opensource SW has rather fluid internal interfaces, after all everyone can see the changes and why they where made
16:32<Gathond>or well hopefully someone commented on why
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16:50<xeon-enouf>ml|: from a FLOSS pov, the kernel cannot "break" anything proprietary, as it's the source for all drivers; the driver (sources) need to be diligent in their effort to keep up with the ongoing changes/devel, ..otherwise gtfo, plzkthxbai ;-)
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16:53<chaos>bai? isn't it bye?
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16:54<eightyeight>isn't 'plz' 'please'? isn't 'thx' 'thanks'? :)
16:54<xeon-enouf>ml|: an analogy would be this _bought and paid for_ announcement via the RT about time-based releases/freezes ... the DDs (some/most/many) thought there should've been some headsup/discussion beforehand .. however, as you see, the $$$ trumps all, and wins once allowed to work it's rot from within the core
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16:56<dpkg>Unless you mean 10 quarts, please spell it out: "thank you". IRC doesn't charge you by the character.
16:56<xeon-enouf>ml|: i need 10q of scotch .. can you help? :-p
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16:57<eightyeight>xeon-enouf: are you saying the announcement to switch to time-based releases was bought and paid for?
16:57<xeon-enouf>eightyeight: yerp
16:57<eightyeight>how so?
16:57<xeon-enouf>i can't say ... otherwise i'd have to kill you :-P
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16:57<chaos>plz & thx & k are short forms for please, thanks & ok .. bai isn't any shorter than bye .. it's looks like some1 didn't know how to spell it correctly :P
16:58<eightyeight>[citation needed]
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16:58<xeon-enouf>just kidding! ;-) .. it means; "we really shouldn't get into this here"
16:58<bremner>[notability questioned]
16:58<ml|>xeon-enouf: ok, hands xeon-enouf a 10q of scotch :)
16:58<Gathond>chaos: they all in my world look like someone not bothering to spell at all
16:59<xeon-enouf>chaos: ok, drop the 'a' from 'bai' .. better?
16:59<xeon-enouf>ml|: whoa .. my hero ;-)
16:59<chaos>xeon-enouf: much better :)
17:00<xeon-enouf>chaos: but it gives the phrase that overall _San Bernandino Valley Tripendicular_ twist ;-)
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17:02<eightyeight>xeon-enouf: i'm interested in your claim about the time-based freezes. please pm
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17:04<xeon-enouf>eightyeight: no, sorry ... it's as simple as "read the thread and draw your own conclusions" .. i would get too bogged down trying to explain why i think such, to those that do not understand how a monetary-based society thrives on exploitation
17:04<xeon-enouf>eightyeight: besides - i loathe typing ;-)
17:04<eightyeight>then it wasn't bought and paid for
17:04<bja>rafael: hello
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17:04<eightyeight>i've read the lists, and i've seen no reference to anything monetary about the decision
17:05<rafael>i have installed Debian testing, only base system
17:05<xeon-enouf>eightyeight: whoa .. you're right! how silly of me
17:05<rafael>i would like to install standar-system and laptop-system packages/tasks
17:05*eightyeight grows tired of conspiracy theorists
17:06*xeon-enouf was awaiting that catch phrase, haha ... good job
17:06<xeon-enouf>!8ball are conspiracy theorists often correct?
17:06<dpkg>I'm sure of it.
17:06<rafael>I cannot see standar and laptop tasks in Aptitude
17:07<eightyeight>rafael: they're in tasksel
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17:07<ml|>well, regardless hopefully it won't affect debian too much
17:07<xeon-enouf>ml|: keep dreaming ;-)
17:08<xeon-enouf>rafael: tasksel --list-tasks
17:08*ml| dreams of better days :)
17:08<xeon-enouf>rafael: tasksel --task-packages <task>
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17:09<ml|>xeon-enouf: go back to your drinking ;)
17:09<xeon-enouf>ml|: happily ;-)
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17:10<xeon-adb>ml|: go back to your dreaming ;)
17:11<rafael>i do not see standar task in tasksel, but it was in Debian Installer tasksel
17:12<bja>rafael: run tasksel as root
17:13<rafael>bja: it does not show standar in the list
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17:14<xeon-enouf>$ tasksel --task-packages standard | xargs
17:14<xeon-enouf>~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant
17:14<xeon-enouf>it's a secret
17:15<xeon-enouf>it means Priority important|required|standard
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17:15<bremner>rafael: consider spelling standard with a d on the end
17:16<xeon-enouf>try aptitude search ~standard or something (note;i don't use aptitude)
17:16<rafael>oh! it does not show it, but it is installing it if i give the order
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17:17<rafael>it is isntalling 100 packages!
17:17<xeon-enouf>i hope some are useful
17:17<deadcat>my system is dropping me to (initramfs). i dont know how to solve this:
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17:18<rafael>laptop task installs 129 packages
17:18<xeon-enouf>i hope some are useful!
17:19<rafael>yes, me too
17:19<rafael>i think yes, some are for energy management
17:19<redsolo>Im having some issues with "daemon", if I do "daemon --name=test --foreground --user=otheruser env" , it will always show USER=ROOT and HOME=/root.... The reason I ask is that a java application is started using daemon and it has problems with the user's home path. Why doesnt daemon run as the otheruser account?
17:20<xeon-enouf>Failure: failed to assemble all arrays.
17:20<rafael>do i need to add my user to any group to can suspend and resume?
17:20<xeon-enouf>deadcat: try altering /etc/default/mdadm
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17:22<deadcat>xeon-enouf: it doesnt even have /etc/default, and i dont even use mdadm.. or i dont think i do. maybe i just have to mount it on a diff machine and edit that file.
17:22<deadcat>when i boot up the server.
17:23<xeon-enouf>if it's debian, and mdadm is installed, it does
17:23<deadcat>it is debian.
17:24<deadcat>but during the bootup, it drops me to initramfs, and at that point it doesnt see /etc/default
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17:25<xeon-enouf>the disks contain some form of mdadm metadata that causes them (along with the file i mentioned and /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf) to want to try and assemble an array
17:25<deadcat>i have /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf should i just edit that?
17:26<deadcat>basically i dont have raid setup. its just sda1
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17:28<xeon-enouf>deadcat: what does that file contain?
17:28<deadcat>let me boot up.
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17:28<deadcat>* its a sheeva plug development kit *
17:29<xeon-enouf>deadcat: still; there are many files in /etc/default/
17:29<deadcat>working fine before i did a dist-upgrade and upgraded kernel.
17:29<deadcat>initramfs only see mdadm modprobe.d scsi_id.config and udev
17:30<rafael>is there any difference between aptitude dist-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade?
17:30<deadcat>mdadm.conf is empty.
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17:31<deadcat>xeon-enouf: i mean it contains "DEVICE partitions"
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17:32<xeon-enouf>that's normal once mdadm is installed
17:32<deadcat>ok /proc/partitions doesnt see my sda*
17:32<rafael>thanks you, i will reboot, bye
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17:32<deadcat>i mean its able to boot to it.
17:33<xeon-enouf>dpkg-reconfigure mdadm ; dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-NEW.KERNEL
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17:34<k1lumin4t1>ATI propietary drivers Catalyst 9.3 (fglrx) fail to build in Debian Squeeze using Kernel 2.6.30
17:34<deadcat>xeon-enouf: i am in (initramfs) shell. i dont have dpkg-reconfigure.
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17:34<k1lumin4t1>they build propperly using 2.6.26
17:34<xeon-enouf>13:28 < deadcat> * its a sheeva plug development kit * <--what the F does that mean?
17:35<xeon-enouf>you're posting a .JSP page? now i've seen everything
17:36<deadcat>it aint my page.
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17:36<xeon-enouf>it ain't worthy of my browser
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17:36<deadcat>here :
17:37<xeon-enouf>dude .. i'm busy
17:37<deniz>OMFG i did sudo rm -rf * and i just realized i was not in the trash directory and i trashed my whole home partition!, how can i undo this? i have lots of important stuff
17:37<dpkg>Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" from menu. For ext3fs, see and ask about <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin.
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17:38<bja>deniz: basically you are hosed
17:39<deniz>bja, what about ext3grep? i know that rm does not actually remove it from the hdd
17:39<deadcat>have have planned a backup.
17:39<deniz>i was planning to back up but i unfortunately did this before my backup!
17:40<xeon-enouf>deniz: that's not an accurate statement ... depends
17:40<bja>deniz: you can try it, but since you are desperate something will have to show up
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17:40<xeon-enouf>!listvals photorec\
17:41<dpkg>Factoid search of 'photorec\' by value returned no results.
17:41<xeon-enouf>!listvals photorec
17:41<dpkg>Factoid search of 'photorec' by value returned no results.
17:41<dpkg>TestDisk is a partition scanner and disk recovery tool, an alternative to <gpart>. Try gpart first. TestDisk checks the partition and boot sectors of your disks, very useful in recovering lost partitions. Packaged for Debian.
17:41<deniz>omg at least now ill learn to do sudo rm -rf /directory/* instead of cd to dir then sudo rm -rf *
17:41<xeon-enouf>deniz: try also the photorec tool found on testdisk
17:41<ml|>deniz: why use -f at all?
17:41<bja>deniz: you were told to do that some time ago in here
17:42<davromaniak>anybody knows when the kernel security update will be available for debian etch ?
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17:42<bja>ml|: that way you also get rid of directories
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17:42<xeon-enouf>deniz: the * doesn't get dotfiles/dotdirs anyway
17:43<ml|>rm -r does that
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17:43*xeon-enouf uses -rd
17:43<ml|>-f = force
17:43<deniz>is there a GUI tool to restore my data?
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17:43<xeon-enouf>davromaniak: /msg dpkg wir
17:44<ml|>f, --force ignore nonexistent files, never prompt
17:44<xeon-enouf>alias rm='rm -i' deniz
17:45<bja>-f superseeds -i
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17:45<xeon-enouf>do not use -f deniz
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17:45<ml|>yes, why i asked why use -f
17:45<bja>deniz: pls stay away from you computer is safer for it :)
17:46<deniz>my attention was on dr phil when i pressed enter thats why :'(
17:46<bja>xeon-enouf: you got me on that one, let me google it
17:46<xeon-enouf>bja: no worries ...
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17:46<ml|>and * never unless you rm -r /dir/*
17:47<ml|>rm /dir/* rather
17:47<xeon-enouf>or ./*
17:47<ml|>or either
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17:47<xeon-enouf>if you know where the F you really are :-P
17:47<ml|>of course
17:48<adama>why do people pretend there are "rules" to using rm... I can do rm -rf * if I want, I do it all the time if that's what I am trying to do
17:48<ml|>pwd ;) :P
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17:48<xeon-enouf>adama: there are _rules_ to shell expansion and globs
17:49<ml|>adama: do it nodoby is saying you can't it's your system after all
17:49<stuckey>Is it possible to install 32 bit in sid for nvidia?
17:49<adama>I do.
17:49<adama>I just don't know why people tell others not to
17:50*xeon-enouf blobs a glob of gob onto the blob
17:50<ml|>well, i you read on what deniz just did you'd understand
17:51<adama>ahhh :P ok I blame sudo and Dr. Phil
17:51<chaos>i made backup of /boot /etc /home /root
17:51<ml|>and backup backup backup :)
17:51<chaos>and the package list is in /root
17:51<deniz>ya i made a backup of all my skool memorization software files thankfully but i hadnt yet set up backintime to back up other important folders yet
17:52<ml|>haha, missed the d.phil bit untill now
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17:53<ml|>deniz: don't watch dr. phil any more, seems he is making your life harder ;)
17:54<deniz>lol but seriously i have important data such as pics of my family too :'(
17:54<deniz>thankfully i had all my math notes backed up to my skydrive
17:54<bja>xeon-enouf: supercede
17:54<ml|>deniz: hard lesson to learn
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17:55<ml|>hopefully you won't repeat it, yeah that sucks ;(
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17:57<bja>deniz: next time do "shred -z * && rm -rf *" and you won't have to worry about recovering your data
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17:57<ml|>bja: heh
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17:57<deniz>i would of never done this if my attention wasnt split tho :'(!
17:58<deniz>and id only shred a drive im sellin
17:58<ml|>deniz: read above then ;)
17:58<deniz>bja's statement?
17:59<ml|>no mine about dr. phil
18:00<deniz>well as always i learn my lesson after doin stupidities
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18:00<deniz>id like to be able to solve it
18:00<ml|>deniz: you right i was joking btw i'll stop sorry
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18:01<bja>deniz: seriously you will have to type a lot of commands to get things back where they were
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18:01<bja>but first umount /home partition before you do something nasty
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18:02<deniz>i can unmount home partition wile using comp? or i need a live cd?
18:02<bja>you can if you are loged in as root
18:03<deniz>ok ill just use a live cd to be safe
18:03<bja>a rescue disk might be easier to use because it has all the tools you need
18:03<deniz>would that have a GUI?
18:04<bja>depends on the one you choose
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18:04<deniz>text instructions is good enuf for me as long as it's not commands
18:04<deniz>this is too important for experimenting/learning
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18:04<deniz>bja, what would you recommend?
18:05<dpkg>grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. #grml on
18:05<ml|>yeah is tha bomb
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18:05<deniz>that's just a live distro tho
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18:06<deniz>can't i just use the ubuntu live cd instead?
18:06<deniz>i dont want to download a large file at 50 kb/s
18:06<bja>deniz: its your info, its your choice
18:06<ml|>deniz: grml includes more usefull stuff
18:06<deniz>ml|, well i can obtain things from repositories even on live cd
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18:07<ml|>yes, but why use something better to begin with
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18:07<ml|>it's your choice tho
18:07<deniz>wait what's better?
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18:08<ml|>grml imho
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18:10<deniz>but what about it?
18:10<ml|>what about what?
18:10<deniz>like what's better? less bugs? something like that? or does it have a tool ubuntu doesnt have
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18:11<ml|>deniz: read above
18:11<deniz>the "it can be used as a rescue system" part?
18:12<ml|>18:06:22 < ml|> deniz: grml includes more usefull stuff
18:12<deniz>so it has a GUI data recovery tool?
18:13<deniz>or something non-command like?
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18:13<deniz>or just one command or sumtin
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18:15<ml|>deniz: i'm just saying it's a better livecd than ubuntu's, dunno if it includes that and someone here might be able to help you recover your data, but i've read a bit in the past and it's not trivial
18:15<deniz>ml|, is this what i want?:
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18:16<ml|>deniz: dunno, guess it can't hurt much more
18:16<deniz>k ill boot into live cd, ill be bak wether my data is recovered succesfully or not
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18:21<ml|>hope deniz can recover his data
18:23<fgh>for a debiansystem i should pick radeon or geforce graphic-hardware?
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18:29<ptr>nvidia's probably the easier bet
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18:29<ptr>I've had trouble with the ati drivers in the past
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18:30*bremner finds the free radeonhd drivers ok for 2D
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18:33<ml|>bremner: are doing any work on a 3d driver? or they have one but it sucks?
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18:34<bremner>ml|: no idea really. I think they are working on it. but google "radeonhd xorg" probably knows more than I do.
18:34<Guest123>any chance of a backported Gnash0.8.5 ob Lenny?
18:34*bremner is apparently not doing too much 3D :)
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18:36<ml|>bremner: ok, tought you might know and no 3d here either atm
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18:37<bremner>DRI is on by default on R5xx and RS6xx
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18:39<erin2>ok who has use thunderbird on debin and i am not using the ice/snow junk it suckssssss
18:39<erin2>i cant get it to work at all
18:40<erin2>i tried symlinks etc
18:40<erin2>the script says it wont execute but i chmod +x it...
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18:42<bja>the ice/snow junk is the same junk as fire/thunder, if one sucks guess what the other also
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18:43<ml|>bbelt16ag: you ask in their channel
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18:46<bja>bbelt16ag: but anyway fix the symlink on /usr/bin/th... it should work that way, also make sure to have the matching libs on fire/thunder
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18:46<Vrga>hello people...
18:46<Vrga>its me again with the same old laptop... or helltop....
18:46<Vrga>in any case, does anyone know how to tell grub in commandline to hand over the boot to the cd?
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18:47<bja>Vrga: you do that at the bios level before boot
18:47<Vrga>please, no "change it in bios to boot from cd" responses since the laptop is anciant.
18:47<bja>too late
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18:47<Vrga>i'm not stupid and i wouldnt be asking how to do it via grub if i could have done it via bios :p
18:47<Vrga>bios doesnt support booting via cd.
18:47<Vrga>there is no floppy drive.
18:48<bja>guess usb boot is out of the question
18:48<Vrga>only bootable option is hd boot, and i have grub open right in front of me.
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18:48<Vrga>its a HP omnibook 2000 ct, from '97
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18:48<bja>nice little piece you have there :)
18:48<ml|>Vrga: you never know the knowledge of some by their questions ;)
18:49<Vrga>i managed to nuke windows that was on it yesterday and get debian on, but i need to reinstall it since i messed up a few things.
18:49<Vrga>yeah, about knowledge :p
18:49<Vrga>google provided no answer...
18:50<Vrga>trying root=(cd) then using boot failed.
18:50<Vrga>trying the same using chainloader +1 failed..
18:50<Vrga>and so on :p
18:51<Vrga>in short, does anyone with experience in grub command line know how to get grub to boot a cd from the commandline?
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18:54<bja>Vrga: Support network booting GRUB is basically a disk-based boot loader but also has network support. You can load OS images from a network by using the "TFTP" protocol.
18:54<Vrga>any tftp servers for win?
18:54<bja>it is not what you are looking, but i believe it can fix the isue there
18:55<Vrga>it can, since grub is already on the hd.
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18:55<Vrga>that works with netboots?
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18:56<bja>Vrga: quote taken from info grub
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18:57<Vrga>i know, noticed it in the info but didnt give it much thought.
18:58<bbelt16ag>bja: what? symlink thunderbird-bin to where?
18:59<bja>/usr/bin/thunderbird arrange permissions as needed and it should be transparent for debian
19:01<bbelt16ag>/usr/sbin/thunderbird-bin: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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19:01<bbelt16ag>where is the thunderbid directory suppose to go where is it looking for libs?
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19:02<bbelt16ag>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 38 2009-08-14 18:59 /usr/sbin/thunderbird-bin -> /home/erin/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin
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19:03<bbelt16ag> its bitching about it being 64bit now.
19:04<bbelt16ag>so much for getting this to work.
19:04<bbelt16ag>guess i will go back to crappy evolution
19:04<Squelos>im installing a new debian. Im installing KDE instead of gnome. i chose a minimal install (no KDE), and with gnome i just needed to apt-get install gnome, then configure X
19:04<Squelos>is it the same thing here with KDE ?
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19:04<Squelos>im already upgrading to squeeze btw
19:06<Vrga>trying to figure it out at the moment.
19:06<ml|>Squelos: /msg dpkg install kde
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19:07<ml|>Squelos: and #dedian-kde might be of help
19:09<Squelos>yeah, but its just for the install actually. apt-get install kde-full will install kde4, and apt-get install kde kde3 O.O
19:09<Squelos>that cant be correct
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19:10<ml|>Squelos: you want kde4?
19:10<ml|>Squelos: /msg dpkg install kde4
19:11<Squelos>thats what im just after reading.
19:11<bbelt16ag>ok thats it going to the mozille channel to bust some heads.
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19:12<bja>good luck and wash your hands before you smackem
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19:13<ml|>Squelos: did you take a look at this ...
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19:14<EagleScreen>synaptic tries to open with KDE Su and i haven't root account
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19:14<ml|>understand now why it will install kde4
19:15<Squelos>yeah i followed the instructions
19:15<Squelos>thats why i upgraded to testing btw
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19:16<ml|>yes, i noticed just don't understand your question then
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19:16<Squelos>well its just that i found the explanation a bit weird
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19:17<k1lumin4t1>ATI propietary drivers Catalyst 9.3 (fglrx) fail to build in Debian Squeeze using Kernel 2.6.30
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19:17<k1lumin4t1>they build propperly using 2.6.26
19:17<ml|>ah, ok
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19:19<Squelos>k1, they build with 2.6.28 too.
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19:21<ml|>bja: hehe
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19:27<Squelos>not many people around
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19:27<xeon-adb>Squelos: uname -r , says ?
19:28<Squelos>im installing kde atm
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19:33<xeon-adb>Squelos: type in a terminal > uname -r < and tell us what it does
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19:35<Squelos>ok, once this is done :)
19:35<Squelos>im in console
19:37<xeon-adb>how many consoles there are ?
19:37<southernc>Squelos i helped you fix fglrx like a week ago what did you do now
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19:38<Squelos>haha, thanks southernc btw. Now i fix it everytime on my one.
19:38<Squelos>well, only one. i dont have gnome or anything installed
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19:39<ManBearPig>Anyone here ever used crosstool-ng?
19:40<Squelos>i dont know, i borked something, so i wanted to try KDE and i installed the 2.6.28 image instead of the 2.6.26
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19:40<southernc>if you use 2.6.28 and fglrx 9-7 you still gotta patch it
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19:41<southernc>Linux 2.6.28-8.lqx.1-liquorix-amd64
19:41<southernc>OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series
19:41<southernc>OpenGL version string: 2.1.8787
19:42<Squelos>i know :)
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19:42<Squelos>soco, southern comfort ? !D
19:42<southernc>yeaup :)
19:42<Squelos>fuck i need a bottle of soco, cant find any in france
19:42<Squelos>pisses me off.
19:42<southernc>oh thats right your french
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19:45<southernc>Squelos: check your msgs
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19:46<Squelos>no soco here :/
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19:46<Dunge2>I manager to use crosstool-ng with lot of patches to build arm-gnueabi crosscompiller, now I want to build multiple libs from source to create a rootfs with everything under the sys-root directory. I call the libs configure script with --prefix and --host parameters, and I also have PATH,CPPFLAGS,LDFLAGS, PKG_CONFIG_PATH,LD_LIBRARY_PATH envvar set to my crosstool/sys-root/usr* directory. But it still try to use /usr..
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19:53<craigevil>southernc: what is Linux 2.6.28-8.lqx.1-liquorix-amd64? is that your hostname and liquorix kernel?
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19:59<Vrga>how can i access shared files over the network from debian in commandline?
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20:00<Vrga>gui use is not an option at the moment since the pc is too slow for the regular... (loading xfce took almost an hour)
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20:02<ml|>you can use ssh with rysnc, scp or if it's slow ftp
20:03<ml|>proftp or vsftp
20:03<Vrga>i need to pull some files over from the windows box...
20:04<ml|>samba is another option
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20:05<Squelos>uname -r
20:05<ml|>yeah ftp in from windows once you have the ftp server running
20:05<ml|>or samba
20:06<Squelos>xeon 2.6.28 amd64
20:06<Vrga>ugh. so definitely no simple solution i guess..
20:06<abraham>samba will take some configuring and adding a user
20:06<abraham>no simple
20:06<Vrga>okay, question number 2. can grub2 get a menuentry configured to boot from cd?
20:06<Vrga>grub legacy cant.
20:07<Vrga>can grub2 do it?
20:07<abraham>bios has to do that
20:07<ml|>well install proftpd or vsftpd look over config files done then do the above or samba but that takes a bit more to configure i think
20:07<Vrga>abraham, no it doesnt.
20:08<Vrga>and in this unfortunate case, it cant even boot from cd. floppy is not an option due to the lack of a floppy drive.
20:08<Squelos>startx = command not found ... but i managed to to a Xorg -configure ..
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20:13<Lethalman>Squelos, apt-get install xinit
20:13<Squelos>thanks lethatman
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20:13<Squelos>hey, actually no need for that
20:13<Squelos>kde is launched
20:14<Lethalman>kde has startkde or such
20:14<ml|>yeah or aren't you using kdm?
20:15<Squelos>well i assumed startx was common to gnome and kde
20:15<Squelos>yes im using kdm, well i installed it, im intending to use it.
20:15<Squelos>does kde 4 enable transparency ?
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20:17<ml|>startx is when you have .xinitrc or .xsession setup only iirc
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20:22<ismaily>anywhere there ?
20:22<ismaily>need help
20:23<ismaily>cant remove the shit
20:23<ismaily>i tried the commands dpkg -r dns-flood-detector
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20:23<nteon>ismaily: and what happened when you tried that?
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20:24<Squelos>ahhhhh, help, where can i change my keyboard layout in kde O.O
20:24<ismaily>in the system conf..
20:24<ismaily>they shows mee failure
20:25<ismaily>Errors were encountered while processing:
20:25<ismaily> dns-flood-detector
20:25<ismaily>i tried too this command : killall dns-flood-detector
20:25<Squelos>i cant find it ismaily :/
20:25<ismaily>kde ?
20:25<ismaily>do you have msn =
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20:26<Squelos>nope, why ?
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20:30<Squelos>still cant find where i can change the keyboard layout ...
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20:31<Squelos>there some tool for the mouse, keyboard, joystick, but nothing concerning the layout
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20:31<adama>Squelos: add the Keyboard Indicator thing to a panel
20:31<Squelos>good idea
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20:43<Squelos>i finally found it :D
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20:58<nono>i'm noob
20:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:58<nono>i can help you
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21:01<Squelos>hum, i cant find the linux-headers i need in the repos :/
21:01<Squelos>what should i do ?
21:01<abraham>squelos compile
21:01<Squelos>yeah good idea. im lacking good ideas, probly should go to bed
21:01<abraham>why do you need a newer kernel anyway
21:02<Squelos>not a newer kernel
21:02<Squelos>i just need the "old" linux headers
21:02<Squelos>im gonna go to bed
21:02<craigevil>sr: No elvis or bookmark with that name
21:02<craigevil>Usage: sr [-help] [-elvi] elvis [elvioptions] [search terms]
21:02<craigevil> sr [options] bookmark
21:02<craigevil> If you wish to run the elvi directly, run "surfraw-update-path" to append
21:02<craigevil> /usr/lib/surfraw to your $PATH in your shell's config files.
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21:02<Squelos>ill be back tomorrow.
21:02<Squelos>good night :)
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21:03<craigevil>whoops didnt realize it did that
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21:05<nono>squelos; nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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21:15<nono>i have no bug with debian
21:15<[[ZERO]]>what channel is spain
21:15<[[ZERO]]>ok tks
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21:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:22<bja>nono: be carefull with those details
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21:24<nono>my webcam is vx-3000
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21:39<nono>how buy a fucking portable whitout vista?
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21:40<sney>you could get a netbook. most of them come with some linux or XP
21:40<sney>it took me about 5 minutes to remove XP from my Asus EEE
21:40<sney>I got it at staples
21:41<nono>new netbook
21:41<sney>yeah, it was like 300 bucks
21:41<sney>but you can find them on craigslist and ebay and stuff too
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21:42<sney> these pages show which ones are well supported and tips on installation
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21:44<Getty>i hate eeepc, i was so much falling in love with the idea, and then when i had it in hand it was so... deillusioning....
21:45<sney>did you get one of the early ones?
21:46<Getty>it was more about the keyboard
21:46<Getty>not the power
21:46<Getty>i thought 9"/10" are cool but its just too small
21:46<sney>I didn't really pay any attention to the hype, but when my thinkpad died about 6 months ago I wanted a new laptop, and a 10" eee was a pretty affordable choice
21:46<sney>I played around with it at the store before buying, the keyboard isn't much different from other laptop keyboards I've used.
21:48<Getty>probably you are used to that small stuff, but i cant type on that in my regular speed
21:48<Getty>make too much mistakes
21:48<Getty>beside the "golom-effect"
21:48<xeon-enouf>Getty: try playing a 2/3 size piano
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21:49<xeon-enouf>Getty: it's stupid ... various sizes.. _except_ for youngsters
21:49<Getty>I'm old
21:49<Getty>my first keyboard was a C64 ;)
21:49*xeon-enouf is older than dirt
21:50<Getty>that means? ;)
21:51<xeon-enouf>it means; no matter which cellphone, i always hit 4 keys when i try to press one
21:52<xeon-enouf>i actually _need_ a stylus of some sort
21:52<Getty>you know the old people phones? ;)
21:52<Getty>watch the movie gran turino
21:53<southernc>you got one of thopse AARP phone where each numbers are like the size a phone should be
21:53<Getty>is anyway one of the most awesome movies of this year and it includes such a phone also hehe
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21:53<nono>with implosion$
21:54<mrnice>hi, i got a luks system on an acer asporce one (A071, i upgraded, but kernel 2.6.30 dont find crypt device hda5, some ideas?
21:56<southernc>see if its loaded
21:56<xeon-enouf>mrnice: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` ; update-initramfs ...
21:56<xeon-enouf>mrnice: does old kernel work?
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21:57<xeon-enouf>mrnice: hda5 == logical partition within an ext'd DOS partition scheme, yuk
21:58<mrnice>xeon-enouf, old kernel works
21:58<xeon-enouf>use it
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21:59<EagleScreen>i have the root partition in ext3, how can i switch to ext4?
21:59<mrnice>xeon-enouf, i got a an unknown ide op cpde, no drw after issuing MULTIWRITE_EXT with 2.6.26
22:00<xeon-enouf>mrnice: wait; .30 doesn't work; .26 doesn't? which does?
22:01<mrnice>26 works, with this ide bug? dont think the harddrive is damaged
22:01<xeon-enouf>mrnice: the ide=xxx params were removed or something\
22:02<xeon-enouf>see the changelogs
22:03<xeon-enouf>mrnice: search your kernel version ,,, kernel-paramters.txt and ide.txt
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22:08<mrnice>xeon-enouf, what do u suggest? cant find any parameter that might fix this
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22:14<EagleScreen>why my grub2 hasn't Debian theme?
22:15<retroj>hello. any tips about how to get automounting for usb pendrives?
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22:17<csioktel>my /etc/init.d/exim4 script need 10+ sec to bootup, is it slow?
22:17<EagleScreen>retroj: do you use any DE?
22:17<retroj>EagleScreen: desktop environment? no
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22:18<EagleScreen>i dont know nothing for tty
22:20<EagleScreen>retroj: only if it is plugged in during boot up
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22:21<retroj>surprised there is not a package or something to set this up.... I think it's done with udev, right?
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22:40<k1lumin4t1>ATI propietary drivers Catalyst 9.3 (fglrx) fail to build in Debian Squeeze using Kernel 2.6.30
22:40<k1lumin4t1>they build propperly using 2.6.26
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22:42<EagleScreen>yes fglrx is not compatible with 2.6.30 or 2.6.31
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22:51<nono>stop quitting please
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22:53<candelaresi>i`m from argentina
22:53<candelaresi>i have a problem, but in debian-es
22:53<candelaresi>noone is on
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22:54<candelaresi>i`ll try to explain my problem
22:54<candelaresi>my english is poor, i have a pc server
22:54-!-EagleScreen [] has joined #debian
22:54<candelaresi>and i need to open some ports
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22:57<candelaresi>hello someone there?
22:57<locsmif>candelaresi, insufficient information for meaningful answer...
22:57<eightyeight>yes. there are 360 of us
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22:57<EagleScreen>help for what?
22:58<retroj>I got disconnected, so I don't know if it came through that I found the solution to my problem: package usbmount. installed and working beautifully :)
22:58<candelaresi>i have a router
22:58<candelaresi>and i configure the NAT
22:58<candelaresi>redirecting the ports...
22:58<bremner>retroj: if your happy with usbmount, great. halevt seems pretty good as well
22:58<candelaresi>i need to know if exist another firewall
22:59<candelaresi>tha installs in debian by default
22:59<candelaresi>i configure the iptables...
22:59<locsmif>candelaresi, on the PC you were talking about, become root, then: iptables -L -v -n
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22:59<locsmif>paste the output of that into a website (a pastebin) and give us the link to that website with that paste
22:59<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
22:59<retroj>bremner: I'll look that up.. thanks!
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23:00<candelaresi>mmm... but i don`t know how to paste form consola to the pastebin
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23:00<locsmif>candelaresi, select with your mouse
23:01<locsmif>middle click in the form on
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23:01<candelaresi>i don`t have X in that pc
23:01<locsmif>candelaresi, then, save it into a file using > file
23:01<locsmif>copy that file to a place where you have X
23:02<candelaresi>> file
23:02*locsmif facepalm
23:02<candelaresi>iptables -L -v -n > file
23:02<eightyeight>iptables -vnL > file.txt
23:02<locsmif>Yes ;-)
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23:08<candelaresi>this is the outfile
23:08<candelaresi>the ports that are open there... i need it open
23:08<candelaresi>do yo undertand?
23:10<eightyeight>your filter table isn't blocking anything
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23:10<eightyeight>it's WIDE open
23:10<eightyeight>iptables isn't blocking anything
23:11<candelaresi>ok, the problem is the router...
23:11<eightyeight>nono: firestarter is just a gui frontend to iptables
23:11<candelaresi>i`m going crazy
23:11<nono>i know that
23:12<eightyeight>candelaresi: what port are you trying to forward?
23:12<nono>for what?
23:12<candelaresi>80 - 2106 - 9014 - 7777
23:12<candelaresi>for a server game, call Lineage 2
23:12<eightyeight>candelaresi: and those are opened on the hardware router?
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23:12<candelaresi>yes... i think that are open
23:13<eightyeight>think? what router do you have? linksys?
23:13<nono>lineage 2?
23:13<eightyeight>i'm not familiar with that hardware. have you opened up the web interface to it, and forwarded the ports to the right ip?
23:13<candelaresi>lineage 2, it`s a game
23:13<candelaresi>an on line game
23:14<nono>if config
23:15<nono>candelaresi: what's about ifconfig
23:15<eightyeight>nono: what about it?
23:15<nono>you should put this ip in your fucking routeur
23:15<candelaresi>i put in pastebin
23:16<eightyeight>candelaresi: can the box ping google? or
23:16<eightyeight>candelaresi: the box that you want to play the game on?
23:17<candelaresi>i`m not trying to play the game, i`m trying to mount a server for it
23:17<eightyeight>ok. can it ping internet sites?
23:18<eightyeight>good gravy. man
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23:19<eightyeight>!lart nono
23:19*dpkg stabs nono
23:20<candelaresi>it cant
23:20<candelaresi>it can
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23:20<eightyeight>then you don't have a link problem, and you don't have a firewall problem. are you sure the server is installed correctly?
23:20<nono>os: Windows® XP/Vista
23:21<nono>use wine
23:21<nono>i think
23:21<nono>but i'm not sure
23:21<eightyeight>nono: you're really not helping, you know that?
23:21<nono>oki i stop
23:21<eightyeight>throwing out random advice won't get him anywhere
23:22<candelaresi>try that
23:22<abraham>looks ok
23:22<abraham>and looks up
23:22<eightyeight>that's the domain you own?
23:22<candelaresi>this redirect to my server
23:23<candelaresi>It works!
23:23<candelaresi>or something that
23:23<nono>(it works)
23:23<eightyeight>i can telnet to port 80, but not the other 3
23:24<eightyeight>so, you might not have forwarded the ports on your hardware router to correctly
23:24<eightyeight>or, the daemon isn't listening on those ports
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23:24<eightyeight>2106, 9014 and 7777
23:24<eightyeight>80 is forwarded though
23:25<eightyeight>yeah. the process
23:25<eightyeight>usually called "daemons" in unix terminology
23:25<candelaresi>yes yes
23:25<candelaresi>i use nmap
23:25<candelaresi>from my pc to the pc server
23:25<eightyeight>nmap... for what?
23:25<candelaresi>to see what ports are open
23:26<locsmif>eightyeight, checking if the ports are reachable, I presume, but kinda useless, innit ;-)
23:26<eightyeight>that doesn't help you from outside though
23:26<eightyeight>just inside
23:26<locsmif>we could nmap you
23:26<candelaresi>but... i can`t see inside...
23:26<locsmif>then it would actually provide you with useful info. But using hping3 in this instance is more appropriate
23:27<eightyeight>candelaresi: run 'netstat -taupen | grep 7777'
23:27<eightyeight>on the box the port 7777 should be open on
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23:28<eightyeight>what about for port 2106?
23:28<candelaresi>in the port 80 show me a lot of dates
23:29<candelaresi>nothing with 9014
23:29<eightyeight>i already know 80 is bound
23:29<eightyeight>and you need those 3 ports open and bound, right?
23:29<candelaresi>yes... but i don `t know what have to show this comand :D
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23:29<eightyeight>if so, the process isn't running for your game server
23:29<candelaresi>i need this ports
23:29<eightyeight>you need to start the process
23:30<candelaresi>i start the process and then?
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23:30<eightyeight>re-run netstat grep'ing for those 3 ports again, and see if there is a process listening on them
23:30<eightyeight>if so, let me know, and i'll try to connect to them. if i can, you're set
23:30<eightyeight>if not, you have a firewall issue somewhere
23:31<candelaresi>the procees load...
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23:31<candelaresi>mmmm... take some minutes
23:31<eightyeight>that's fine
23:32<k1lumin4t1><EagleScreen> yes fglrx is not compatible with 2.6.30 or 2.6.31 <--- really?
23:32<candelaresi>damm... i have to install java and mysql
23:32<candelaresi>it take a lot of time
23:32<k1lumin4t1>EagleScreen, is that true?
23:32<candelaresi>i do it
23:32<eightyeight>candelaresi: well, i think you know what you need to do. when you get to that point, let me know. in the mean time, i'll be afk
23:32<EagleScreen>at least with 2.6.31
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23:33<Tekno>fglrx is crap
23:33<k1lumin4t1>Tekno, true
23:33<k1lumin4t1>EagleScreen, but there's a debian package specifically for fglrx and linux 2.6.30 in squeeze
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23:34<eightyeight>away from keyboard
23:34<candelaresi>you are so...
23:34<candelaresi>thanks... :D
23:35<EagleScreen>then for 2.6.30 it must be compatible
23:35<EagleScreen>or it may be patched by Debian maintainers
23:35<eightyeight>candelaresi: so... what?
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23:36<candelaresi>friendly... i don`t know the exactly term in english
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23:37<eightyeight>np. glad to help
23:38<candelaresi>ok... thanks :D
23:39<eightyeight>btw, the rules in your iptables filter table are unneccessary. you should do an 'iptables -F INPUT'
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23:45<cockroach>hi. it seems i have some interrupt issues ( and the kernel tells me to try booting with the "irqpoll" option - is this going to affect my system's performance?
23:47<deniz>ive been running scalpel for hours in an attempt to recover my data all to get an error that i dont have enuf free space, is there another way to rescue my data?
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23:48<candelaresi>eightyeight: what rule?
23:49<eightyeight>all of them
23:50<eightyeight>your default policy on the input chain is set to ACCEPT, which means everything is allowed, unless you have a global REJECT/DROP rule, which you don't
23:50<eightyeight>so, your rules aren't doing anything useful
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23:53<candelaresi>and the ports?
23:53<candelaresi>that i need open?
23:53<eightyeight>you only need them open in your router's firewall. clear out everything in iptables. you'll still be just fine
23:54<eightyeight>think of it this way: say you have a gate around your house. the house door is wide open. so, when you open the gate, there's no need to put a sign on the door saying it's open. people will already know
23:55<eightyeight>iptables is your house door. it's wide open. 100%. your router is the gate. if you open the router ports, the data will come in
23:58<candelaresi>so... iptables -F
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