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---Logopened Sun Aug 16 00:00:26 2009
00:01<hachi>and the testing installer appears to be doing nothing useful after probing scsi devices
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00:04<hachi>guess I'll install centos 4 until someone can help me debug this
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00:24<DragonM>Question, out of random curiosity. Has anybody considered having the Debian image mirrors who signed up to be HTTP/FTP DVD/CD ISO mirrors also be bittorrent clients permanently seeding the images using rtorrent?
00:25<DragonM> doesn't seem to answer anymore.
00:25<DragonM>Fortunately dht works.
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00:26<DragonM>And. Wow. I'm not sure I've EVER had ssh lag as a result of a /download/.
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00:35<eightyeight>hachi: what do you expect? you downloaded the netinst image
00:35<eightyeight>of course it's not going to find the cd image. it's got to turn to the web for that
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00:49<ansong>i'm running squeeze with kernel 2.6.30-686 on a core2duo processor but i cannot get cpu scaling to work. running cpufreq-info returns "no or unknown cpufreq driver is active"
00:50<ansong>can someone tell me what step i may be overlooking?
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01:03<kerneld>I am going batty. My amavis-new is not filtering with spamassassin
01:05<kerneld>I have tested running spamc as user amavis (standalone and using spamd) and they bother work. Ham gets flagged as Ham and Spam gets flagged as Spam, but amavis is not hitting spamd. It is hitting ClamAV, so the lmtp transport is clearly functional, but the content filtering is not working.
01:06<kerneld>Any ideas?
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01:12<pabs>does anyone know if there is a way to force apt to use gzip instead of bzip2 for the Packages files?
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01:23<Vrga>hello people. i seem to have a "bit" of a problem.
01:24<Vrga>on my main box here, i've been trying to get debian lenny to install via the netinstall cd.
01:25<Vrga>it consistently cant connect to the local net, failing to autoconfigure via dhcp (yes, my router is set up properly and as its seen at the moment, it works in win no problem)
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01:25<Jordan_U>I am using debian unstable with btrfs / ( on a flash drive ). I am getting IO errors and kernel messages about "btrfs csum failed" on files fairly frequently, but always files in /var/lib/dpkg.
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01:25<Vrga>i believe that there might be a compatibility problem between deb and my mobo... (Asrock P43DE, with ICH10)
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01:26<Vrga>any idea how to make the netinstall actually get to my network?
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01:26<eightyeight>Vrga: have you tried static addressing?
01:27<eightyeight>Jordan_U: btrfs is marked as experimental in the kernel for a reason
01:27<Vrga>yeah, no worky.
01:27<Vrga>i actually got a bootable deb install, tried to set it up all manually, no joy.
01:27<eightyeight>are you sure you have a link? from the shell on vt2, can you see a link with 'ethtool eth0'
01:27<Vrga>no network access.
01:28<Jordan_U>eightyeight: I am not expecting it to be stable, just wondering if anyone had any insight as to why it's always /var/lib/dpkg
01:28<eightyeight>sorry. no idea
01:28<Vrga>i have a switch that has that convenient light turning on when theres a connection and blinking when theres traffic.
01:29<eightyeight>what does ethtool say?
01:29<Vrga>irrelevant at the moment, since i'm obviously not talking from the linux install.
01:29<Vrga>its the same pc, in windows, networking works, in linux, doesnt.
01:30<eightyeight>what's the network hardware?
01:30<Vrga>you want the whole setup? k
01:30<eightyeight>just the network card in the box. make/model
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01:31<Vrga>integrated on the mobo, mobo is Asrock P43DE.
01:31<Vrga>intel P43 chipset.
01:31<Jordan_U>Vrga: Does the interface show up in ifconfig?
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01:32<Vrga>soutbridge is ICH10.
01:32<eightyeight>Vrga: i'm not interested in your cpu. make/model of the network card. you can find it in device manager
01:32<Vrga>the nic is integrated on the mobo.
01:32<eightyeight>so pull up device manager, and tell me what it is. we're not going to get far without that info
01:33<eightyeight>start -> right click my computer -> manage -> device manager -> network interfaces
01:33<Vrga>Realtek RTL8168D/8111D family pci gigabit ethernet nic.
01:33<Vrga>pulled from everest right now.
01:33<eightyeight>thank you
01:33<Jordan_U>Vrga: Did you try running dhclient manually or setting it up with a static ip?
01:34<Vrga>@ Jordan_U: yes, yes i did. dhcpdiscover packets sent out, times out.
01:34<Vrga>static ip is the same.
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01:35<Vrga>gimmie a moment to check the mobo booklet for the precise chip eightyeight
01:35<eightyeight>i don't need that. i have what i need
01:36<Vrga>k. in any case, what am i to do?
01:36<eightyeight>i'm seeing if there are any known issues with that card on debian
01:37<Vrga>would the bios version help at all? :p
01:37<Vrga>i remember the netinstall working a few months back, but i updated the bios a month ago.
01:38<BobHartge>is it the first device listed in ifconfig?
01:39<eightyeight>it appears that debian has the driver for that nic, so it's not a driver issue
01:39<Vrga>i inserted it manually with the proper options...
01:39<eightyeight>Vrga: next time you boot, verify the r8169 module is loaded
01:39<Vrga>iface eth0 inet dhcp
01:39<Vrga>in the interfaces file.
01:40<Vrga>lsmod | r8169 is the proper command to look for it or?
01:40<eightyeight>also, verify you have a link with ethtool, as previously described
01:40<eightyeight>lsmod | grep r8169
01:40<Vrga>i'm not that well versed in commandline
01:40<Vrga>k. see ya in 10 minutes then.
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01:52<Jordan_U>I can't run any applications that use pygtk, I always get the error "ImportError: No module named pygtk". I have python-gtk2 2.14.1-3 installed.
01:55<eightyeight>try installing python-sexy
01:56<Jordan_U>eightyeight: Installed: 0.1.9-1
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01:59<eightyeight>Jordan_U: how did you install python-gtk2. from what i can tell, that's your package
02:00<Vrga>hokay, lsmod | grep r8169 showed it being there. ethtool for some reason equalled "command not found" -.-
02:00<Vrga>the current install is the xfce debian cd.
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02:00<Jordan_U>eightyeight: It was pulled in automatically when I installed gnome
02:00<eightyeight>Vrga: ethtool isn't found in the installer? interesting
02:01<Vrga>ah, no, not installer.
02:01<Vrga>on the installed one.
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02:01<Vrga>didnt try the netinstall cd now.
02:01<eightyeight>oh. you would have to install it via apt
02:01<eightyeight>it doesn't go down by default, iirc. but it should be in the installer
02:02<Vrga>apt-cache search ethtool yielded no results :p
02:02<eightyeight>my guess is, seeing as though the driver is loaded, that the kernel can talk to the card, and the card isn't getting a link from the wire
02:02<eightyeight>what do you have for repos?
02:02<eightyeight>it's there
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02:03<Vrga>how do you explain the fact that i'm chatting on the same exact pc to which i'm trying to install linux?
02:04<eightyeight>Jordan_U: dunno. that's the package.
02:04<Vrga>the internet works, in vista x64. in linux, ifconfig eth0 shows on each usage just incrementing the packet drop number...
02:04<eightyeight>Vrga: either the driver is not up-to-date for the card, or there is no link detected. dunno what else to say
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02:05<Jordan_U>Vrga: Do you have another network card you can try?
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02:08<Vrga>so, any ideas how to make the work for the netinstall?
02:09<Jordan_U>Vrga: A random unlikely theory; Are you using a straight through or crossover cable?
02:10<Vrga>i use a network switch that doesnt care about that, it automatically compensates.
02:10<Vrga>however, at this very moment, all cables are straight.
02:11<eightyeight>Jordan_U: part of the gigabit standard will autonegotiate if straight through is needed or crossover
02:12<Vrga>its a 10/100 switch only tho.
02:12<eightyeight>ahh. then a crossover could pose a problem
02:12<Vrga>but the net works in windows on the same box.
02:12<eightyeight>but if it works on windows, then it's not a crossover cable
02:12<Vrga>do you people eve read my messages?
02:12<eightyeight>you want my help
02:13<Vrga>using straight cables with a switch that doesnt care if the cables are straight or crossover.
02:13<Vrga>the main problem is getting internet access for the debian netinstall cd.
02:13<eightyeight>Vrga: fyi- if the switch is only 10/100, then it does matter
02:13<Jordan_U>Vrga: My random unlikely theory was that the cable was misconfigured but the card had the autonegotioation feature, and it was a feature of the driver that wasn't working / implemented / enabled in linux.
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02:14<Jordan_U>Vrga: I have never heard of that happening before though, which is why I said it was unlikely :)
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02:14<Vrga>eightyeight, please read this before making assumptions.
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02:15<Vrga>thats very unlikely.
02:15<Vrga>i think its just that the NIC isnt actually acknowledging that its actually connected to a network
02:16<eightyeight>Vrga: if the driver is loaded, and a link is detected, and you aren't modifying anything that would alter the dhcp behavior of the installor, then my bet is the driver loaded isn't powering your card
02:16<eightyeight>aside from google, i have no additional help
02:17<Vrga>in any case, moving on from the non-existent cable issues...
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02:17<Vrga>how could i fix that in the netinstaller itself?
02:18<eightyeight>Vrga: your crossover capability is for the uplink, not down
02:18<eightyeight>try again
02:19<eightyeight>in otherwords, the link between switches, hubs, routers and modems. not switches and nicks
02:21<eightyeight>now, because you have a gigabit nic, it might auto sense the rx/tx appropriately, regardless of what's on the other end. after all, it's build into the spec
02:21<eightyeight>shoting doesn't get far with me
02:21<Vrga>sorry for the caps but apparently you did not even read my messages.
02:21<eightyeight>i have. i'm correcting your misconception about your switch
02:22<eightyeight>you keep reminding us we haven't read your messages. over and over
02:22<Vrga>no you are not since there is no misconception.
02:22<eightyeight>how can we forget what they are?
02:22<eightyeight>i've done my best to help. i have nothing else to say
02:22<Vrga>you latched on the crossover cable idea, despite the fact that at the moment there is no crossover cable even connected to the switch.
02:23<Vrga>the switch has been tested with pc's connected with both straight and crossover cables. both types work.
02:23<Vrga>it is really not my fault that you latch onto the entirely wrong ideas.
02:23<eightyeight>if i'm wrong, then you obviously know the right ideas. so fix it
02:24<eightyeight>why are you even asking, if i'm wrong?
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02:24<Vrga>the problem i am facing is that the apparent driver in the kernel does not initialise something in the nic properly, so the nic doesnt realise its actually connected.
02:24<eightyeight>so try a new nic, download the dvds, install in a vm, or something other than netinst
02:25<Vrga>looking at ifconfig, the only "traffic" recorded on eth0 was massively increasing numbers in the drop category.
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02:25<Vrga>the currently installed linux is the xfce debian from the cd.
02:25<eightyeight>does it connect to the network?
02:25<eightyeight>there you go=
02:26<Vrga>physicaly it is. the software fails.
02:26<eightyeight>you ras'n ping the network, right? on xfce, or otherwise outside of windows
02:27<Vrga>the network is as follows cable modem - router - switch - current pc, which is dual boot windows / linux. windows - network works without problem. linux - network does not work.
02:27<Vrga>ras'n ping?
02:27<eightyeight>my right hand was off one letter
02:27<Vrga>ah. typo
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02:28<Jordan_U>Vrga: This may be relevant
02:28<Vrga>exactly. no ping, no ip address assigned via dhcp, no nothing.
02:28<eightyeight>anyway, my suggestion is see if you can get an updated driver for your nic, or try a new nic, or rethink your install
02:28<drakeman>hey k1lumin4t1 ,
02:28<drakeman>any luck?
02:29<Vrga>no option for new nic. updated driver might work, however, how to get it to work with the netinstall cd? :p
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02:30<Jordan_U>Vrga: You can compile the module against the netinstall kernel's headers, put it on a partition available when you are installing, and unload the built in driver and load relatek's
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02:31<Jordan_U>Vrga: Or just compile it against the headers of the XFCE install and use that install
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02:33<drakeman>k1lumin4t1, are you there?
02:33<ml|>i would try with regular netinst cd, you can always install whatever you want later
02:34<Vrga>the netinstall is a standard x64 netinstall cd. tried with x86, the same. xfce is a separate cd that was downloaded and burned.
02:35<ml|>lenny netinst cd?
02:35<ml|>what realtek card is it?
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02:36<Vrga>this is just rotating in circles.
02:36<Jordan_U>Vrga: To use the fix mentioned @ you would need to compile the realtek kernel module yourself, and for whatever kernel you plan on using ( the same module compiled for the XFCE install will likely not work with the netinstall's kernel version )
02:37<Vrga>in any case realtek RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC
02:38<Jordan_U>Vrga: Do you see any activity from the green and orange status LEDs ?
02:39<Vrga>didnt check, but since the switch notifies me when the link is off...
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02:39<Vrga>and it didnt switch off at any point, however, there was no traffic.
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02:43<Jordan_U>Vrga: Read through the whole thread ( it's not long ) starting here: and see if you think you might be having the same problem ( and thus the same solution might work for you )
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02:47<Vrga>i'll try something out...
02:47<Vrga>in any case, i'm off now. bye.
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03:01<eightyeight>ok. i have 6 2GB usb thumb drives. i can easily build an lvm structure using the drives to store my data. what i want to do is tear down the structure, and rebuild it on a new computer, keeping the data in tact. how?
03:03<eightyeight>i think pvscan is the right utility
03:03<eightyeight>i guess i should just start hacking, and see what happens
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03:11<kiran>please suggest me to install emerald themes
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03:24<Bearshare>What's up
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03:31<chad>Hello from New Mexico
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03:42<dark--->ok, i have been trying to figure out how to work with permissions with files, directories and removable media. i tried to use the search and have not been able to find the answers. can someone point to a place where i can get a pretty good newbie rundown about user permissions and file permissions within debian?
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03:46<cahoot>dark---: what kind of removable media?
03:46<xeon-enouf>eightyeight: wouldn't lvm snapshot be good for that?
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04:00<dark--->sorry, was still trying to find the info
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04:00<dark--->it is a pin drive, formatted with a fat partition
04:00<dark--->i am going to check out the site you stated
04:00<cahoot>dark---: try the info from /msg dpkg vfatrw
04:01<cahoot>dark---: if you use gnome there is a simpler way
04:02<dark--->i use gnome
04:02<cahoot>(slightly more GUI-ish)
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04:03<dark--->from the start, i have not been able to figure out how to set up the permissions for my user account to do things like apt-get and such
04:03<dark--->had to use the root shell to do such things, not even sudo works with my user account
04:03<dark--->so that is why i was looking for newbie stuff for debian
04:03<cahoot>dark---: runf gconf-editor ->system->storage-> Def options -> vfat; set umask=0
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04:07<dark--->cahoot, is that a new key i should put in there?
04:07<Jordan_U>dark---: Add your user to the "sudo" group
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04:07<xeon-enouf>how silly
04:08<cahoot>dark---: right add then umask=0
04:08<xeon-enouf>no, chown user:user /mnt/point
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04:12<dark--->xeon-enouf even under root, Operation not permitted
04:13<xeon-enouf>options that work for me after chown are rw,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022 then i just "mount /mnt/point" and user owns all files
04:14<xeon-enouf>dark---: umount. then chown
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04:17<dark--->i think in need to read more docs, because i thought you cant do anything with the files and the device without it being mounted
04:17<xeon-enouf>you can, but that's not the point dark---
04:18<dark--->jordan_u i dont have a sudo group...
04:18<xeon-enouf>dark---: for ex; dd
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04:18<xeon-enouf>you don't need sudo
04:18<dark--->ah, yea, i remember that now...
04:18<xeon-enouf>mount should be 4755 (setuid root)
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04:19<xeon-enouf>stat mount
04:20<xeon-enouf>stat `which mount`
04:20<Jordan_U>dark---: Create one
04:21<simonrvn>you don't need a sudo group
04:21<dark--->xeon-enouf, i am unsure what i am looking at when i stat
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04:23<dark--->simonrvn and jordan_u are you helping with the issue about unable to run apt-get without using the root shell?
04:24<dark--->xeon-enouf, should i paste the output of the stat command here?
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04:28<xeon-enouf>Access: (4755/-rwsr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root)
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04:29<dark--->Access: (0777/drwxrwxrwx) Uid: ( 1000/darkness) Gid: ( 0/ root)
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04:29<dpkg>hmm... 777 is god (me, you and everything else) power over everything, or in unix it's presented in -rwxrwxrwx (full read/write/exec perms for everyone) VERY WRONG in most situations. Learn how to use permission properly instead the gaping security hole just to make one thing work now.
04:29<dark--->darkness is the user and the group i used to replace the user group (i think that was a mistake)
04:29<simonrvn>READ THAT ^^^
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04:30<simonrvn>!777 =~ s,instead,instead of,
04:30<dpkg>simonrvn: OK
04:30<dark--->i agree with dpkg, and i am trying to figure out how to do this
04:31<xeon-enouf>i told you how
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04:31<xeon-enouf>nobody cares about vfat partitions except to modify them
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04:34<eightyeight>xeon-enouf: acutally, i found that lvchange, vgchange and pvscan do the job perfectly
04:34<dark--->the pin drive is going to be used on multiple platforms, and public computers (library and college), that is why it is fat instead of a linux partition
04:34<eightyeight>writing up a how-to on my blog right now. pretty freaking slick, i'd say
04:34<eightyeight>i'll post a link when i'm finished
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04:47<ml|>usbmount can do this for you
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04:49<eightyeight>ml|: are you talking to me, or someone else?
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04:49<ml|>eightyeight: sorry, that was meant for dark---
04:50<ml|>his/her usb pen issue
04:50<ml|>dark---: usbmount can do this for you
04:51<dark--->ml|, had to install it using aptitude, the command wasn't there.. will gnome automatically use it when it mounts the pin drive automatically?
04:51<cahoot>dark---: shouldn't need such with gnome
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04:52<ml|>dark---: i don't use gnome, so don't know and it might conflict with your gnome setup like cahoot just said
04:52<cahoot>dark---: it should 'just work'
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04:53<dark--->yea, i thought it should just work, but i seem to have issues with creating new files/folders and such
04:54<cahoot>dark---: that's because *nix perms has no meaning for (v)fat
04:54<cahoot>dark---: hence the umask manipulation
04:55<ml|>i missed that gnome part on scroll back, i would try what cahoot suggested before
04:56<ml|>04:03:46 < cahoot> dark---: runf gconf-editor ->system->storage-> Def options -> vfat; set umask=0
04:56<cahoot>dark---: if you want to restrict perms you might use umask=022 or such
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04:57<cahoot>dark---: personally I just set it to 0
04:58<dark--->yea, got that done, i think it is working, also corrected the issue with the /media being 0777
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05:01<dark--->okay, mostly fixed. can only create folders within existing folders
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05:04<ml|>dark---: did you try to umount it then mount it again?
05:06<ml|>how about logging out back in?
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05:11<dark--->i will try it, and if i still have issues, i'll be back... but i am also going to read to get better at this...
05:11<dark--->i got it bookmarked in iceweasel
05:12<ml|>yes reading the debian reference can't hurt
05:14<dark--->oh, i am running on a asus eeepc 900, and from what was suggested from here i upgraded to debian instead of using what was installed with the system (had issues). i was suggested to not use a swap (have 4gb sdd instead of the harddrive). i found that if i created a swap on a small sd disk and keep it in the system (found info on web) i dont end up having as many issues. was this a good decision?
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05:17<cahoot>dark---: might try #debian-eeepc
05:18<ml|>yes #debian-eeepc might be of help
05:19<Jordan_U>dark---: You might want to turn swappiness to zero so that swap is only used when absolutely neccisary so you don't wear down your ssd ( internal or card )
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05:24<dark--->cahoot, yea, i did read all of that, used no swap for a while, experienced issues while surfing the web and having a lot open, issues went away when i created the swap on the disk
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06:01<jackma>in anybody in?
06:01<jackma>hi koollman
06:03<jackma>see u later, too much things to do
06:03<jackma>byezz you lot
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06:17<dark--->okay thank you all, i am going to see if everything works
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06:26<xeon-enouf>er install it?
06:27<xeon-enouf>oh late
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06:31<hachi>eightyeight: it says right in the instructions you can use a businesscard or netinst iso image... section 4.3.1 and 4.3.2
06:32<xeon-enouf>eightyeight: cool
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06:32<hachi>plus the fact that this is how it used to work as well... something about the new installer is making it not work for me anymore.
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07:03<marcel>good afternoon
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07:42<marcel>is it already possible to install debian on your ipod?
07:42<marcel>ive google a bit but couldnt find much. only howtos on how to connect your ipod to you debian machine
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07:49<bremner>marcel: for most ipods, software based on libgpod does the trick
07:49<bremner>oh, wait, did not read your question
07:50<bremner>marcel: basically, I think the answer is no. But look for "ipodlinux"
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07:54<marcel>bremner: yes thanks, ive read alot about ipodlinx so far. looks great. but i though "if its possible i should run my fav OS" =)
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07:55<bremner>marcel: FWIW, I don't know of a project to make a debian installer for the ipod.
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07:56<marcel>bremner: ok well thanks for taking the time to awnser my question
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08:09<wekt>I think something must be wrong with seeding of debian-testing ISOs, because there are never seeds for the i386 version. What could it be?
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08:17<stevecotton>wekt: looks like everything is broken.
08:18<marcel>wekt: your can download the images from http/ftp ;x
08:20<wekt>I tested by downloading the release version and it was working just 1/4 hour ago.
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08:21<lwm>how can I get a list of all the packages I have installed?
08:22<marcel>lwm: dpkg -l
08:22<cahoot>dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.tx
08:22<dpkg>cahoot: wish i knew
08:22<dr|z3d>lwm: Or use Synaptic.
08:22<dpkg>To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone> <debian clone>
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08:23<lwm>thank you
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08:32<bremner>is that better than dpkg --get-selections?
08:32<themill>--get-selections also includes "deinstall" which might not be what you want
08:33<wekt>dpkg -l is a list
08:33<dpkg>ii is a list 2.7-11.1 wekt's private stamp collection
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08:36<wekt>Who maintains the bittorrent server?
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08:52<stevecotton>wekt: IIUC it's the debian-cd team ( ). Not sure whether it's supported at the moment; as only lists the stable release.
08:54<lwm>does the cd-1 have everything netinst does? can I install with just the first cd?
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08:55<marcel>what are good websites to read if i want to be up-to-date about debian?
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08:58<marcel>this doesnt look good:
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08:59<lwm>yeah, ouch
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08:59<lwm>look at the source, they even did it in word
09:00<marcel>lwm: haha that sucks. not good publition for debian though ;x
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09:02<stevecotton>lwm - CD 1 gets you a functional desktop installation, complete with enough stuff to install anything else from the network (note that there are several versions of CD 1, depending on whether you prefer KDE or Gnome; any CD-1 is a working destop install)
09:03<lwm>oh, good. thank you, stevecotton
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09:54<marcel>hi, i would like to enable POPCON on my box. how can i do that?
09:54<marcel>i dont want to reinstall my system. dont think that will be really necceray though.. couldnt find anything about it on google so far
09:56<Gathond>popularity-contest install that package
09:58<marcel>Gathond: that it?
09:58<marcel>Gathond: s/that/thats/
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09:59<azeem>marcel: did you try?
09:59<marcel>azeem: trying now ;x
10:00<xlotlu>i wonder what i might have mesed up that any usb mouse i plug in stops working after a few seconds
10:00<Gathond>marcel: that question during the installation installs that package yes
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10:00<Gathond>that is all it does
10:00<marcel>ah good you even get the question =)
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10:00<marcel>thanks alot
10:00<marcel>much easier than i thought i would be
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10:18<marcel>i would like to start a project by making my own irc shell, web domain, and email server. on (debian stable) linux what will be the most cheap way? emebedded perhaps? i am afrade it will be to slow
10:19<petemc>any pc manufactured within the last 5 years should be fine
10:21<marcel>petemc: i understand but im concerned about the power bill ;x
10:21<marcel>petemc: and fire risk too
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10:26<marcel>adb: right a VPS it is ;x
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10:29<adb>marcel: for cut down `power bill` by 10x use a (mipsel) pc ..
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10:33<marcel>adb: great googling of europe shippers now
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10:39<adb>marcel: it come with debian from factory, but i'm afraid have to ask direct to -china- , but feedback from europe shippers are welcome ;)
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10:52<bittin>Hello, somone here knows anything about wvdail iam trying to get an Huawei E1550 to work
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10:59<wuseldusel>hi! whats should i apt-get install for a pretty complete kde? i'm using testing/amd64. after an upgrade kde and gnome seem to have been removed both.
11:00<dr|z3d>wuseldusel: aptitude install kde4
11:00<dr|z3d>Think that should cover all the bases.
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11:04<KONAN>hy all
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11:05<KONAN>i new in debian, can help me?
11:05<bittin>depends on the problem
11:05<KONAN>i watch the debian dvd version, i need download all the 5 dvd?
11:05<KONAN>or enough the first
11:05<adb>use netinst only
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11:06<KONAN>i have 1mbit down speed..
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11:07<Zathras_>Hi. I have a SASL issue. I think it is postfix chroot related. testsaslauthd gives connect() : Connection refused , but I cannot see a thing in logs.
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11:08<Zathras_>running Debian Lenny, any hints appreciated
11:08<KONAN>why need all 5 dvd?
11:08<KONAN>that lot of dvd
11:08<themill>KONAN: you don't need them.
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11:08<bzed>Zathras_: read the comment about the socket in /etc/default/saslauthd ;)
11:09<Zathras_>I did, I also used the correct setting I think
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11:09<Zathras_>netstat shows saslauthd having a socket there. But Postfix I fail to see on that dir
11:10<Zathras_>unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 123797 5732/saslauthd /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd/mux
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11:10<KONAN>the other 4 debian dvd important?
11:11<KONAN>or in that dvd-s have .deb packs
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11:11<wuseldusel>dr|z3d: thx. but now i have another problem:
11:11<KONAN>i mean programs
11:11<wuseldusel>it seems kde is installed, but the login manager only shows: 1.) Default (previous) 2.) TWM 3.) Twm 4.) Failsafe ... but no kde
11:11<Zathras_>KONAN, just download the netinstall CD-rom and install over the internet
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11:11<KONAN>but i have 1mbit net!
11:11<KONAN>not gigabit
11:12<KONAN>and other way i like offline install
11:12<Guest216>what is the command to setup wireless in console?
11:12<abraham>KONAN, the sooner you start to d/l the sooner it will be done
11:13<Zathras_>and how long will it take to download many DVDs including tons of apps that you will not useor install?
11:13<abraham>KONAN, get the live installer dvd
11:13<abraham>thats all you need
11:13<KONAN>but enough the first dvd?
11:13<KONAN>or all 5 dvd
11:13<KONAN>: / ehhh
11:13<abraham>just the first will get you started
11:14<abraham>then use a package manager to get what else you need
11:14<KONAN>that okay
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11:14<KONAN>other question
11:14<KONAN>fedora 11 or debian 502 the better?
11:14<Zathras_>bzed, do you have any other suggestions please?
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11:14<KONAN>because 3gb the fedora and debian..and my net s****
11:15<Zathras_>KONAN, which is better? FC Barcelona or AC Milan?
11:15<bzed>Zathras_: add postfix to the sasl group
11:15<Zathras_>it is a member
11:15<KONAN>but debian is the biggest linux?
11:15<KONAN>i mean..the 5DVD
11:15<bzed>Zathras_: did you restar tpostfix after adding it?
11:16<Zathras_>hmm. Yes. Did so days ago. I have had sasl issues for days :-(
11:16<abraham>debian is more stable but a little behind fedora, application and librarywise
11:16<abraham>i use debian and have used fedora/red hat before
11:17<KONAN>that chat lesse egoist than the others hehe
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11:19<dpkg>methinks reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web,, or see for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Ask me about <report-bugs>.
11:19<KONAN>debian dvd version is gnome, kde or both?
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11:19<abraham>KONAN, read the website it will tell you
11:20<abraham>i would think it to be both though
11:20<abraham>kde 3 and gnome
11:20<KONAN>nah i go download i need that 1mbit..
11:20<KONAN>good day
11:20<KONAN>bye :]
11:20<abraham>to you too
11:20<KONAN>aw thanks
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11:21<bzed>Zathras_: which erro rmessages do you get from postfix?
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11:24<Zathras_>bzed, I am monitoring /var/log/mail.log & auth.log. When I issue a "testsaslauthd" with either service smtp or mysql I get "connect() : Connection refused" but nothing in logs.
11:24<bzed>Zathras_: so what does postfix actually write as error message?
11:25<Zathras_>postfix does not complain about a thing as far as I can see
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11:26<Zathras_>cyradm --user cyrus --auth login --server localhost causes: auth failure: [user=cyrus] [service=imap] [realm=] [mech=pam] [reason=PAM auth error]
11:26<Zathras_>badlogin: localhost [] plaintext cyrus SASL(-13): authenticati
11:26<Zathras_>on failure: checkpass failed
11:27<Zathras_>no idea why it uses plaintext instead of login
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11:40<Zathras_>bzed, I followed
11:41<Zathras_>it's a spanish improved version of the english
11:41<Zathras_>however I see one difference in what the howto says and what I have
11:42<Zathras_>ls -l /var/spool/postfix/var/run/
11:42<Zathras_>howto: drwx--x--- 2 root sasl 88 2007-07-02 12:21 saslauthd
11:42<bzed>Zathras_: again - are you sure that postfix is member of the sasl group?
11:43<Zathras_>I have: drwx--x--- 2 root sasl 4096 2009-08-16 17:22 saslauthd
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11:44<Zathras_>the sasl paragraph in the howto's looks an awfull lot like the /usr/share/doc/sasl2-bin/readme
11:45<Zathras_>there must be something trivial wrong, but I fail to see what it is
11:46<bzed>Zathras_: cyrus != postfix
11:46<Zathras_>I know
11:46<Zathras_>mta vs imap
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11:46<bzed>Zathras_: you have to configure cyrus properly, too :)
11:48<Zathras_>afaik I have done so
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11:51<Zathras_>hmm. imtest shows I am not correct. Missing openSSL options :-(
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11:51<dinamic>hi folks, i want to customize some tasksel tasks where i want one of them to include two other tasks
11:51<dinamic>is that possible ?
11:51<dinamic>and if, how do i approach that
11:52<vook>sure it's possible - just reprogram tasksel
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11:52<Zathras_>dinamic, why not use aptitude
11:52<dinamic>this should be included in an livecd and selected thru debianinstaller when installing
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11:53<vook>dinamic: I haven't done this - but the approach (if you are capable) would be to start looking at the code. /usr/bin/tasksel is a script.
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11:54<dinamic>wook, aah okej, never thought about it eas a script..
11:54<dinamic>wook, taking a peek..
11:54*dinamic bows
11:55<bittin>do somone know how to get a DVD TV-dongle to work with mplayer?
11:56<petemc>you mean dvb?
11:56<dinamic>bittin, DVB
11:56<dpkg>somebody said dvb was DigitalVideoBroadcast. MPEG2 Streams are sent to TV and decoded digitally. See or for more information. Also ask me about <dvb-apps>.
11:56<dinamic>bittin, first get dvb and your receiver to work, then use mplayer dvb://CHANID to play
11:56<abraham>no he means a digitaltv dongle
11:57<abraham>im stupid
11:57<bittin>i actully don't know anything more then it says DV3T on it
11:57<bittin>and its an usb thing with an antenna
11:57<dinamic>bittin, plug it in, check dmesg to see if your system supports and detects it..
11:58<dinamic>bittin, i suppose its an DVB-T
11:58<bittin>Afatech DVB-T
11:59<abraham>looks like it will work if you get the firmware file for it
11:59<dinamic>bittin, install dv b-apps, run a dvbscan to get an channels.conf place it in ~/.mplayer if i recall right.. use first column i file as the CHANID
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12:00<abraham>bittin, looks like you'll need firmware to get it to work.
12:00<bittin>is the package named dv b-apps?
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12:02<bittin>dinamic: thx :)
12:02<bittin>emoboi:/etc/mplayer# dvbscan
12:02<bittin>Failed to open frontend
12:03<dinamic>bittin, first off, get the hardware to work..
12:03<dinamic>bittin, check abraham's info...
12:04<bittin>dident understand it
12:04<bittin>i need af9005.fw and do something with it?
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12:05<bittin>i got the firmwire now what to do with it?
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12:05<adb>dpkg: tell bittin -about firmware
12:06<bremner>is there any point in running mpd as a system service on a single user host?
12:07<bittin>dpkg: tell bittin -about install-firmwire
12:07<bittin>dpkg: tell bittin -about install-firmware
12:07<Cowardly_Dog>Hello everybody, but I do not speak much in English, but I would like to know how can I add a mail account on Exim. I have everything set up. I just need to add an account. Thank you
12:07<adb>dpkg: tell bittin -about selftell
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12:09<nepster>hey folks
12:09<abraham>Cowardly_Dog, the account is your username@hostname
12:09<nepster>wotz up
12:10<abraham>and you check it with local folders or /var/mail
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12:12<Cowardly_Dog>The user account must be equal to the system or must be specified by adding a file?
12:12<bittin>how do i load a firmwire in Linux?
12:12<abraham>not sure how to add one without adding a user to the system
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12:13<abraham>bittin, it should be automatic
12:13<dinamic>bittin, place the file in /lib/firmware
12:13<abraham>just plug it in once the firmware is installed
12:15<patrikf>Cowardly_Dog: mail servers can offer more options, but the most common setup is that a mail account corresponds to an actual UNIX user on the host
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12:16<themill>bittin: several people in different channels are all providing you with the same answers. That's a waste of people's time. Please don't ask in several places at the same time (in the same way you shouldn't cross post to several mailing lists at the same time).
12:16<bittin>i find the firmwire and moved it to /lib/firmware/
12:16<patrikf>(with aliases, usually defined in /etc/aliases, being an exception insofar that the local-part is different from the user that gets the mail)
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12:17<dinamic>bittin, then do: 'dmesg -c' command, unplug and plugin device then do 'dmesg'
12:17<abraham>patrikf, if you use courier you could do what he's talking about but i think its more work than its worth for what he seems to want to do
12:17<dinamic>bittin, to see if it is detected and loaded correctly
12:18<Cowardly_Dog>Is there some servers eg Xmail that is added to a file called "aliases" which adds the user name, domain and encrypted password.
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12:19<dinamic>bittin, thats all?
12:19<patrikf>abraham: that's why I wrote "mail servers can offer more options"
12:19<bogartgram>after getting an update I'm getting this kerneloops error message at startup, but the computer still works fine
12:19<bittin>i got the same problem as that guy on the forum
12:19<bogartgram>I'd like to fix the error though
12:19<dinamic>bittin, good, im heading over there to read up
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12:20<abraham>bogartgram, whats the error
12:20<bogartgram>kerneloops isn't that specific
12:20<dinamic>bittin, and you also get: dvb-usb: did not find the firmware file. (af9005.fw) Please see linux/Documentation/dvb/ for more details on firmware-problems. (-2)
12:20<bogartgram>perhaps if I knew where to look in the log files, I could find out
12:20<bittin>dinamic: yes
12:21<abraham>bogartgram, look in dmesg
12:21<abraham>bogartgram, and check the log
12:21<bogartgram>I like Debian because it makes my computer an appliance, but when something goes wrong I forget what I learned before
12:22<adb>bittin: ls /lib/firmware , says ?
12:22<abraham>bogartgram, you shouldnt forget such things
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12:23<adb>bittin: maybe logout/login may help
12:23<bittin>adb: hm ok
12:23<bittin>will do that then
12:23<bittin>i be back if not
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12:24<cahoot>[78634.244662] usb 1-3: firmware: requesting dvb-usb-af9015.fw
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12:24<dinamic>bittin, u have the wrong firmware, you should have this> dvb-usb-af9015.fw
12:24<dinamic>bittin, not af9005.fw
12:24<adb>well , bittin needs dvb-usb-af9015.fw not ..
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12:25<bittin>no login / logout dident help
12:25<EagleScreen>bittin: install linux-firmwares package
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12:25<cahoot>using debian at all?
12:25<bittin>E: Couldn't find package linux-firmwares
12:25<bittin>cahoot: yes
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12:27<bittin>installing firmware-linux atm
12:27<xeon-enouf>firmware-linux - Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel
12:28<bittin>hm dunno why that whould help me get my dvb-t card to work
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12:28<bittin>but if you say so
12:28<dinamic>bittin, firmwaret du behöver är inkluderat där..
12:28<bittin>najs får starta om och prova om det funkar nu då
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12:28<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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12:29<dinamic>kop, sorry
12:29<adb>kop: was .se
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12:29<kop>adb: Yeah. I noticed after the fact.
12:29<dinamic>translation, firmware you need is included there...
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12:30<EagleScreen>bittin_: linux-firmware is an Ubuntu package, sorry, but it is fully installable in Debian, and it works
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12:31<bittin>no still dosent work
12:31<EagleScreen>bittin: linux-firmware is an Ubuntu package, sorry, but it is fully installable in Debian, and it works
12:31<bittin>EagleScreen: ah ok
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12:31<bittin>EagleScreen: will try that then
12:32<EagleScreen>you may have to reload the module af9015
12:33<adb>btw , what's really firmware , a control/secret activate key for vendor ..
12:33<bittin>EagleScreen: are there any deb package?
12:34<EagleScreen>I gave you the link:
12:34<bittin>ah thx
12:34<dinamic>bittin, try this one..
12:34<dinamic>bittin, if everything fails..
12:35<bittin>dinamic: ok
12:35<bittin>FATAL: Module af9015 not found.
12:35<dinamic>bittin, ref:
12:35<bittin>do i need to do a reboot?
12:35<dinamic>bittin, modprobe af9015
12:36<bittin>dinamic: got that error message when i modprobed
12:37<EagleScreen>it may be dvb-usb-af9015
12:37<bittin>do i need to reboot first
12:37<EagleScreen>you can use TAB completion
12:37<bittin>that worked :)
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12:37<bittin>now i got another error
12:37<bittin>Could not open scan file (null)
12:38<dinamic>bittin, nice..
12:38<bittin>but it light on it start shining
12:38<bittin>so i bet i did something good
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12:38<EagleScreen>bittin: the easier application to watch TV is Kaffeine, do u use Gnome or KDE?
12:38<dinamic>bittin, in /usr/share/dvb/scan/dvb-t
12:39<bittin>Could not open scan file /usr/share/dvb/scan/dvb-t
12:39<dinamic>bittin, sorry wrong path..
12:39<bittin>and i want to use mplayer when i got it to work
12:39<dinamic>bittin, hold..
12:39<bittin>dinamic: ok
12:39<dinamic>bittin, it would do..
12:39<EagleScreen>bittin: you can install it with 'sudo aptitude -R install kaffeine' to not install a lot of KDE stuff
12:40<dinamic>bittin, cd /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/
12:40<dinamic>bittin, ls se-* to see which cities are availble
12:40<dinamic>bittin, take the one closest to you
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12:41<bittin>dvbscan se-Stockholm_Nacka
12:41<bittin>Unable to query frontend status
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12:43<dinamic>bittin, dvbscan se-XXX > ~/.mplayer/channel.conf
12:43<dinamic>bittin, thats how you do it.. now lets check why it fails...
12:43<dinamic>what does dmesg tell you ?
12:44<dinamic>^ yes bittin, its channels.conf
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12:45<bittin>dvbscan se-Stockholm_Nacka > ~/.mplayer/channel.conf
12:45<bittin>Unable to query frontend status
12:47<bittin>dvbscan se-Stockholm_Nacka > ~/.mplayer/channels.conf
12:47<bittin>Unable to query frontend status
12:47<bittin>gah :(
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12:48<dinamic>bittin, hold, im checking around
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12:49<bittin>ah ok
12:49<dinamic>we should try another link for that firmware, i found a link on ubuntu forum, seems more reliable than the first i post..
12:50<cahoot>but the fw loaded ok - not?
12:50<bittin>yes it did
12:50<dinamic>but there are patched firmware out there..
12:50<abraham>is the thing turned on?
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12:51<bittin>i think so as a lamp on it is lighting
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12:51<bike>anyone want to help fix flexlexer.h?
12:51<dinamic>bittin, take this one instead..
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12:52<bittin>wget into /lib/firmware/ and modprobe dvb-usb-af9015?
12:52<dinamic>bittin, right, then rmmod dvb-usb-af9015, then modprobe it..
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12:55<dpkg>saro22: VATTENE VIA
12:55<dinamic>bittin, lets try, and sometimes, an powered usb hub could help, it all depends on..
12:55<bittin>got the some problem
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12:55<xeon-enouf>saro22: you can stop now, thanks
12:55<dinamic>bittin, then reboot, get things clean..
12:55<saro22>fuck you
12:56<bittin>ok will reboot and get back
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12:56<xeon-enouf>ok, when?
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12:57<danger>+b saro22
12:57<bike>anybody? FlexLexer.h? iostream.h? where has iostream.h gone?
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12:58<bittin>done rebooted
12:58<bittin>where was the scan files?
12:58<valdyn>!tell bike -about search
12:58<xeon-enouf>bike: /msg dpkg apt-file ?
12:58<dinamic>bittin, /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t
12:59<bike>valdyn, its not present in gcc4
12:59<bike>mine apparently
12:59<bike>for some odd reason
12:59<bike>seems to be extinct
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12:59<bike>compiling an older app
12:59<bittin>still got the Unable to query frontend status
12:59<bittin>error message
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12:59<dinamic>bittin, and nothing i dmesg about it?
13:00<dinamic>bittin, you run as root?
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13:01<adb>or so
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13:01<bike>yeah getting a lib boost iostream something -dev now
13:01<bike>considering just using gcc3 tho
13:01<bike>might just swallow it
13:03<adb>dpkg: tell bike -about b-e
13:03<bike>according to the old flexlexer.h it should be in /usr/include, but this header is from 93
13:03<bike>already installed
13:03<xeon-enouf>install linux-headers-`uname -r` orsomething
13:04<bike>i _should_ have the headers too
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13:05<bike>hoping llvm-gcc will d
13:05<xeon-enouf>dpkg -l will tell you
13:05<dpkg>ii will tell you 3.3-11.1 xeon-enouf's private porn collection
13:06<dinamic>bittin, try to compile / install latest dvb-apps from
13:06<dinamic>bittin, run thru som post on the error and some of them did and got it to work..
13:06<bike>not the most interesting of projects to bring up i guess ^^
13:07<dinamic>:) bike, newsflash: dated 1998 :) haha
13:07<bike>hehe yep ^^
13:07<bike>its using yacc and lex
13:08<dinamic>bike, i remeber i tryied it loong time ago..
13:08<bike>cool, was it fast tho?
13:08<dinamic>haha, im sure it was around that date soo.. my memory cant tell..
13:09<bittin>now i got bored of this =(
13:09<bike>dont think i'd started using linux in 98 even, think i started using around 2000 :S
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13:10<bittin>i got mobile broadband to work, bluetooth to work but not TV
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13:11<bike>hm, i needed to mess around with the module file, then choose which chips was in it :S guess it might be different with dvb tho
13:11<adb>bike: amiwm is in non-free
13:11<bike>wow really?
13:11<bike>its non-free? :S
13:11<bike>hehe thanks, cool
13:12<bittin>and now i dont got anymore fun hardware
13:12<bike>but really i need to get it compiled to mess with the source :S
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13:13<bike>This program is distributed as FreeWare. The copyright remains with the author. See the file LICENSE for more information.
13:16<bike>mkay that just compiled, thanks adb , saved me a butload of thinking
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13:19<peppy>i have a problem that may not be debian-specific but have run out of ideas so thought i'd try asking here. i basically have a heavily loaded server setup with three physical disks: sda has the root fs, sdb is a fast SSD with a mysql db, and sdc is unused.
13:20<peppy>i have been noticing that i get some very weird iowait situations which seems to be occurring across different disks, and the best scenario to replicate this is if i try to cat /dev/sdc > /dev/null, the system begins to lock up on iowait even though the processes in question are not using sdc but the other two disks (which have relatively low load)
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13:21<peppy>at first i was thinking it was a write congestion problem with pdflush but as i can replicate with a read-only situation i'm pretty stumped
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13:22<peppy>i wonder if anyone would be able to help me shed some light on that?
13:23<locklace>peppy: what kind of disks? are they on the same controller?
13:24<peppy>sda and sdc are 7200rpm 320gb SATA2 drives, sdb is an intel e series 32gb ssd
13:25<peppy>and yes, they are all on the same controller (but i don't *think* this is bottlenecking as sata2 is spec'd 3gbps per channel)
13:26<fgh>how do i make grub rewrite MBR using /boot/grub/menu.lst
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13:27<szymon_g>what packages are necessary to sucessfully installation of nvidia-drivers (in 'debian way')?
13:27<peppy>fgh: 'grub-install /dev/<device>' should do the trick
13:27<szymon_g>"nvidia-glx" and :-?
13:28<danger>szymon_g you can download the drivers from Nvidia
13:28<danger>and install them yourself
13:28<danger>(it's simple)
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13:28<locklace>peppy: there are a lot of weird bottlenecks hidden in various chipsets and getting to the bottom of them is a pain. my suggestion is to reproduce with latest kernel and post about it to lkml.
13:28<szymon_g>i know, but will i get errors like wrong version of gcc?
13:28<szymon_g>is squezzy's kernel compilled with gcc4.1?
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13:29<danger>symon_g you should be okay, I've installed them with Lenny's default kernel and it was fine
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13:29<szymon_g>or is it something newer, like 4.3.3?
13:29<peppy>locklace: okay thanks - i'll give that a shot. when you say latest, 2.6.30 should be new enough yeah?
13:30<locklace>peppy: yeah
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13:39<bike>haha, that worked like a charm adb
13:39<bike>mad fast as feck
13:39<marcel>as feck
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13:40<bike>even got dual screen :D
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13:40<bike>i'd say its got one up on lxde ^^
13:40<adb>cool than
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13:45<bike>hehehe, i can minimize nautilus desktop manager in here
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13:45<abraham>bike what are you talking about?
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13:46<abraham>never heard of it
13:46<adb>amiga window manager style ..
13:47<abraham>i like my gnome-compiz-emerald setup
13:48<bike>could be something for very low end machines this
13:48<bike>like 7mhz and bellow ^^
13:48<abraham>yeah like a 486
13:48<adb>heh .. 7mhz ..
13:48<danger> There was no 7Mz 486 chip
13:48<danger> There was no 7Mhz 486 chip rather
13:48<abraham>not what i meant danger
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13:49<bike>i got a 80 mhz dx2 here im soldiering a pin to
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13:49<bike>might try it on that if i ever resurrect the mobo
13:50<danger>It's probably easier to virtualise a low end spec if you really wanted to test a low resource application
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13:52<adb>bike: tested inventor-demo? 3
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13:55<bike>adb, nope. i'll check it out tho
13:57<bike>loading xfce4 ontop of this gave an interesting result
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14:05<candelaresi>i have a problem
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14:05<candelaresi>i`m running a server... apache2
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14:06<candelaresi>i don`t undersatand why the error in mi index. php
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14:08<bike> adb ^^
14:10<bike>all the xfce4 menus didnt pop up quit like they should but heck i can live with this
14:12<bike>ouch bugs
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14:34<tweber>candelaresi, it's looking for a file index.php in a directory main/
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14:53<bremner>so I resisted install mpd/mpc for a long time. But it kicks ass, especially with zsh completion. And unlike the 6 audio players I tried first, it plays m4a files out of the box.
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15:00<locklace>bremner: how well does it handle streams
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15:01<bremner>err, dunno. Paste one?
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15:09<bike>oh thank god its not the 40<=>44 pin converter
15:09<bike>might actually be a problem with the cdrom
15:09<bike>its not totally happy ejecting these days, some securing pin in there wants to keep it from opening
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15:13<sney>yeah they die after a while
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15:17<bremner>locklace, if you have via script or some other way the real url (e.g. it seems to work fine
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15:18<bremner>locklace: there are example scripts in the mpc distribution
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15:20<locklace>getting stream urls is easy enough, just wondering how well it handles them, e.g. does it report track metadata, allow recording, etc.
15:21*bremner wonders if audio can be NSFW
15:22<bremner>locklace: mpc status says: e*pop: Electro-Pop and Indie Dance Rock [SomaFM]: Mstrkrft - Easy Love
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15:26<bremner>adb: what language is that? Russian?
15:26<bremner>oh, pt
15:26<bremner>oh, well, (portuguese+russian)/2 = romanian?
15:26<adb>yes, now is speaking a american translater of romanian
15:27<dr|z3d>locklace: Try streamripper or equivalent.. if it's shoutcast, the stream should have embedded metadata (sometimes per tune).
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15:32<igormp>boa tarde
15:32<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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16:07<sandyleo>Hi everyone! Could anybody tell me how to build debhelper on a system without debhelper?
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16:11<bremner>sandyleo: what system does not have debhelper?
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16:12<sandyleo>bremner, It's linux system built from scratch.
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16:13<sandyleo>bremner, no dpkg-dev, no debhelper.
16:13<sirjective>hi everyone
16:13<dpkg>epic test fail
16:13<sirjective>does anyone else have problems with radeon in squeeze?
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16:14<adb>sirjective: lspci -nn | grep VGA
16:14<bremner>sandyleo: debhelper doesn't depend on debhelper
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16:14<sirjective>its a 9800 pro
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16:15<sirjective>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R350 [Radeon 9800 Pro] [1002:4e48]
16:15<sirjective>used to use fglrx in lenny
16:15<adb>judd: pciid 1002:4e48
16:15<judd>adb: [1002:4e48] is 'Radeon R350 [Radeon 9800 Pro]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'ati-agp', 'radeonfb' in lenny. See also
16:15<sandyleo>bremner, I know. But I don't know how to build it. I mean there are no stuff like ./confiure etc.
16:15<bremner>sandyleo: look at debian/rules
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16:16<sirjective>yeah well,
16:16<sandyleo>bremner, it's just one line "./run dh $@". what does that mean?
16:17<sirjective>i can run glxgears just fine
16:17<sirjective>but when i start nexuiz
16:17<bremner>sandyleo: that is a pretty basic unix question for somebody doing something this ambitious...
16:17<sirjective>the font is fucked up
16:18<bremner>sandyleo: look at the script named run
16:18<bremner>sandyleo: what are you trying to accomplish, really?
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16:20<sirjective>anyone here using an old radeon 9xxx too?
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16:20<sandyleo>bremner, for now I just want debhelper to work on that machine. Then I want to build packages on that machine in the future.
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16:21<kristianpaul>happy bithday?
16:21<sandyleo>bremner, so I think I should just type "./debian rules" to build it?
16:21<bremner>sandyleo: well, I guess you need to read the debian developers reference to understand the build process. And perhaps the documentation for man.
16:22<sandyleo>bremner, sorrry, I mean "./debian/rules"
16:22<bremner>err s/man/make/
16:24<sandyleo>bremner, sorry but I'm kind of in the little bit of hurry now. Would you please just tell me how to build it? I'll keep up the basic knowledge later anyway :-)
16:25<bremner>sandyleo:, look for the developers reference, or the new maintainers manual. Unless someone has a gun to your head, I'm not sure why my time less valuable than yours.
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16:26<bremner>I can answer this question, but this the last. ./debian/rules build
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16:26<bremner>the last until you do a bit of homework, anyway.
16:28<sirjective>fonts are also weird in billard-gl and xmoto (just shows blocks for letters) ... system is an upgrade from lenny (which was previously upgraded from etch) ... are there any font packaged that have to be installed in squeeze?
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16:31<sandyleo>bremner, sorry but I think you misunderstood me. I have the develper reference, new maintainer guide at hand. I also look up a little the policy manual and something else. Before I asked here, I spent hour reading these docs and googling.
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16:31<bremner>sandyleo: ok, sorry I snapped.
16:32<bremner>sandyleo: I don't know if what you want is possible, but having a running debian system at hand to experiment with seems nearly mandatory.
16:32<sandyleo>bremner, but as you said I'm really a beginner. Seriously, I'll really keep up with these basics later. Thanks a lot.
16:33<sandyleo>bremner, yeah you're right.
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16:40<sirjective>ok, something else. since the upgrade to squeeze, the kernel switches the framebuffer mode despite vga=normal or nofb in the parameters. anyone know how to fix that?
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17:19<pblchai>hello!!! i got an question
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17:19<abrotman>just ask
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17:20<pblchai>im learning python, but i dont know if stop and continue learning about unix administration
17:21<erKURITA>pblchai depends on what's your goal
17:22<pblchai>i want to prepare LPIC-1 linux pro test, but im alone
17:23<pblchai>my goal is know the system in every corner, to solve my systems problems eas and withouthelp
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17:25<erKURITA>python will be one of your many tools to achieve that, but if you're concentrating on system administration, then you should do so
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17:28<pblchai>i see
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17:31<valdyn>pblchai: python is just a programming language, it wont teach you unix
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17:36<pblchai>i want to prepare the LPIC-1 certification, but is hard to me because im so alone
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17:56<chahibi>If you have access to a virtual server running Redhat, what is the safer way to change to Debian?
17:57<petemc>the provider doesnt offer an option to reimage with debian?
17:58<erKURITA>create a whole backup of the system (e.g. partition image) and start from scratch. Then migrate each config file and adapt it to Debian's. Gradually until you've fully migrated.
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18:01<chahibi>petemc: it is a donation, so I don't really want to itch
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18:04<jsubl2>I am trying to backup a dvd with k9copy. I get errors from the dvd even tho it plays fine. any suggestions on how i could accomplish this with something like dvdshrink
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18:09<themolester>does anyone know if the nvidia mcp79 chipset supports port multipliers (pmp?) if you configure ahci mode?
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18:11<drakeman>k1lumin4t1, hey!
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18:15<craigevil>jsubl2: try lxdvdrip its CLI and the config requires some tweaks but it works, k9copy has been buggy lately
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18:15<jsubl2>thanks craigevil
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18:16<craigevil>jsubl2: for some odd reason the default config is in german just copy the en file from /usr/share/doc/lxdvdrip/examples/lxdvdrip.conf.EN.gz
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18:24<BullDoG>ïîäñêàæèòå êàêîé èç dvd-äèñêîâ ëó÷øå èñïîëüçîâàòü?
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18:25<chiku>what does "compat" mean in nsswitch.conf ?
18:25<abrotman>BullDoG: english please
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18:25<BullDoG>oh my god:)
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18:26<BullDoG>abrotman: tell me what dvd-disk is better for home use?:)I mean that i want to view videos.....use internet and etc.
18:26<abrotman>huh ?
18:26<abrotman>you mean to install ?
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18:27<abrotman>it doesn't really matter which installer you use .. it's about hte packages you install afterwards
18:28<BullDoG>i know...maybe for me better to install debian from cd-image?:)
18:29<ml|>if you have good connection i'd use netinst
18:29<bremner>BullDoG: usually netinstall (small cd) is best
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18:29<themolester>BullDoG once they're installed, its all the same
18:29<BullDoG>at cd-image i will have desktop?:)I mean something how gnome at ubuntu:)Sry for my bad english and i am newbie at nix-systems:)
18:29<BullDoG>bremner: i am using vpn-connection:)
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18:31<dpkg>it has been said that netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>.
18:33<BullDoG>!pppoe install
18:33<dpkg>To install Debian via PPPoE, append 'modules=ppp-udeb' to the Debian Installer boot line (e.g. installgui modules=ppp-udeb). This method is not available for <netboot>, <boot floppies> or the <businesscard> image. See also <pppoe>, <install guide>.
18:34<themolester>BullDoG you can also pm the bot
18:34<BullDoG>maybe for newbe better to install from cd ?
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18:34<BullDoG>i mean not netinst:)
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18:35<ml|>BullDoG: See
18:36<ml|>and the decide on the method that is best for you
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18:37<drakeman>Hello, can anyone help me with a problem with my nvidia card installation, im trying to use m-a a-i nvidia, but i get this error, dont know how to fix it... any ideas?
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18:37<drakeman>my nvidia driver was working fine, but i install a new kernel suggested by aptitude, now i cannot install the nvidia driver again!
18:38<ml|>drakeman: did you read this? ... See /var/cache/modass/nvidia-kernel-source.buildlog.2.6.30-1-686.1250461999 for details.
18:39<ml|>drakeman@drake:/$ sudo m-a -t auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source why the '-t' ?
18:39<drakeman>ml|, sorry for the -t hehe, the same results withot the T
18:39<BullDoG>with ati radeon hd 4870 graphic card debian not have problems?
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18:40<ml|>drakeman: ok, did you that part above?
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18:40<drakeman>ml|, the -t is too see the text mode for module assitant, right now im pasting that log file!
18:40<ml|>drakeman: pastebin output here please
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18:41<squelos>BullDog, i got a 4870x2
18:41<ml|>the link i mean
18:41<squelos>no problems
18:41<squelos>BullDog, i used a net inst :). You might have problems booting onto X
18:41<squelos>so i advise you to do a minimal install (no DE)
18:41<ml|>drakeman: -t is Set the release from which packages should be installed
18:42<squelos>then install gnome, and Xorg -configure, cp the conf, and startx
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18:42<drakeman>ml|, the output for the log file is thisone
18:42<BullDoG>squelos: gnome is not at netinst cd?:)
18:43<drakeman>ml|, if i dont use the -t i see the m-a in ncurses... look the help say this ----> -t, --text-mode Text mode, no dialog boxes
18:43<BullDoG>squelos: if i will have no to isntall it?:)
18:43<abrotman>use CD1
18:43<squelos>oh no internet connection
18:43<squelos>well, you just use the cds
18:43<squelos>but do a minimal install.
18:43<BullDoG>thanks a lot:)
18:44<squelos>dont install gnome.
18:44<squelos>you know how to get it working bulldog ?
18:44<squelos>youll need the fglrx drivers after :/ where are you going to get them ?
18:44<BullDoG>i will download it previously;)
18:45<BullDoG>at cd-1 gnome is installed?
18:46<ml|>drakeman: yes you are right got -t confused with aptitude for some reason sorry
18:46<drakeman>ml|, xD
18:46<chealer>drakeman: what does $ dpkg -l nvidia*; output?
18:47<ml|>drakeman: also paste the link here of what you did to get that
18:47<chealer>BullDoG: gnome is always installed by default unless the installer can't reach a mirror
18:47<drakeman>chealer, this is the output
18:47<drakeman>ml|, what link?
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18:47<squelos>Chealer, not if you do a minimal install
18:47<squelos>and uncheck the DE
18:48<chealer>squelos: that qualifies as "not by default"
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18:48<drakeman>i have the nvidia kernel for my old kernel version, but i dont know if that is the problem
18:48<drakeman>beacuse the nvidia kernel for kernel is not in the repos.
18:49<chealer>drakeman: hum, right. upgrade nvidia-kernel-source and eventually nvidia-glx to unstable
18:49<squelos>oops sorry, didnt read it. im tired
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18:50<drakeman>chealer, i dont have that version of nvidia kernel even in sid
18:51<chealer>drakeman: don't install the prebuilt LKM packages. just nvidia-kernel-source and eventually nvidia-glx
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18:53<BullDoG>i am going to sleep:)Goodnight to all:)
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18:53<drakeman>chealer, what is the prebuild lkm package? should i have to remove any of the installed nvidia-kernel i have it ?
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18:54<chealer>drakeman: there are several. nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686 is one. I don't see why you should.
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18:56<chealer>drakeman: which NVIDIA chipset do you use?
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18:58<Arcalyth>Hi #debian, I updated some packages last night and now World of Warcraft gives me a black screen and the WoW cursor. I believe the problem is due to an upgrade of xserver-xorg from 1:7.4+3 to 1:7.4+4, as that is the only change made between plays of the game. I cannot verify this because I have no way to roll back the package. Is there any way to roll back the package? Other GL apps work fine, and other wine apps work fine. I haven't
18:58<Arcalyth>touched wine.
18:59<drakeman>chealer, i have an nvidia geforce 8400gs
19:00<BullDoG>I have a question....64-bit debian is better then 32-bit?
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19:01<dpkg>i guess amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>.
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19:01<drakeman>chealer, i have that versions because that one is the versin for my old kernels.
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19:02<BullDoG>i know it:)Speed of work in 64-bit better then at 32-bit?:)
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19:02<ml|>drakeman: are you doing this in .30 kernel correct?
19:03<drakeman>ml|, 2.6.30-1-686 yes.
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19:03<chealer>drakeman: you can't use that version with 2.6.30. use either 173.14.20 or 185
19:03<ml|>BullDoG: it depends on what you'll be using your system for and how much memory you have now or plan to use
19:04<BullDoG>i have 2gb ram....
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19:05<ml|>you need atleast 3.4gb to really take advantage of 64bit, but it does not mean you can't use it
19:05<jmarsden>BullDoG: With 2GB running 64bit is not likely to be worth much to you vs running 32bit. With 8GB, 64bit makes more sense, IMO (8GB and quad core on my desktop here :)
19:06<ml|>BullDoG: new to linux?
19:06<drakeman>chealer, but that version is not in the repos, or yes?
19:06<chealer>drakeman: they are
19:07<drakeman>chealer, this one from unstable ---> nvidia-kernel-source 185.18.14-2 unstable
19:07<BullDoG>debian installer from windows can to change size of my disks without formating?:)
19:07<BullDoG>installer said for me that he can:)
19:07<drakeman>chealer, so what packages i need from unstable? nvidia-kernel source only?
19:08<drakeman>and then nvidia -glx?
19:08<jmarsden>BullDoG: There are installers that can resize your Windows partition. But it is safer to back up everything first.
19:08<drakeman>chealer, so i have to remove the old ones? and install the new ones from sid?
19:09<ml|>i think you need nvidia-kernel-common from sid also
19:09<BullDoG>installer can to change size of partition not disk c?:)For example disk e..and install debian there?
19:09<chealer>drakeman: nvidia-kernel-source and eventually nvidia-glx
19:10<drakeman>ok, so i install the newones and then run the m-a a-i nvidia again?
19:11<jmarsden>BullDoG: I think so, yes. You should be able to resize any Windows partition (that has some empty space on it), and then install Debian into the freed-up space. But read the docs carefully, and if at all possible, back up everything first.
19:11<chealer>drakeman: you shouldn't need to explicitly remove the old ones. you need to install the new ones from sid, yes.
19:11<chealer>!tell drakeman about tum
19:12<Arcalyth>BullDoG: before resizing, defragmenting is a good idea. also as everyone else said, back up your files before messing with your partitions.
19:12<BullDoG>oh my god:)
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19:18<Arcalyth>Hi #debian, I updated some packages last night and now World of Warcraft gives me a black screen and the WoW cursor. I believe the problem is due to an upgrade of xserver-xorg from 1:7.4+3 to 1:7.4+4, as that is the only change made between plays of the game. I cannot verify this because I have no way to roll back the package. Is there any way to roll back the package? Other GL apps work fine, and other wine apps work fine. I haven't
19:18<Arcalyth>touched wine.
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19:29<chealer>Arcalyth: do you have a deb of the previous version in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?
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19:33<drakeman>chealer, ml| thanks for the help, is working now! :D
19:33<ml|>!congratulate drakeman
19:33<dpkg>Good show drakeman, you did it!
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19:46<Arcalyth>chealer: no =(
19:46<Arcalyth>just +4
19:47<Arcalyth>I think I accidentally hit "clear package cache" when trying to "clear pending actions" yesterday =/
19:49<ml|>Arcalyth: you can download what you need again from
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19:52<Arcalyth>ml|: I can't find 1:7.4+3, just +4
19:52<Arcalyth>it came out of sid, now this one does
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19:53<Arcalyth>which leads me to believe that it wasn't a huge update that should break something.. but alas, before the upgrade WoW worked fine, and I can't roll it back...
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19:54<Arcalyth>and I need 7.4 because fglrx needs it.. I'd just use kernel 2.6.28 but I can't find a package for it and I don't want to roll my own because every time I do I miss some feature... can't use 2.6.26 because iwlagn doesn't play very nicely with it...
19:55<Arcalyth>I'm essentially trapped into this configuration with xserver-xorg 7.4 and kernel 2.6.30 because of my hardware =/
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19:56<adb>judd: versions xserver-xorg
19:56<judd>adb: xserver-xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19 lenny: 1:7.3+18 squeeze: 1:7.3+19 sid: 1:7.4+3
19:56<Arcalyth>Gah! no amd64 version >_>
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19:57<vvas>Arcalyth: what about 2.6.29?
19:57<Arcalyth>vvas, I could but I have no idea how to make fglrx work with it. The solution I found only works with 2.6.30
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19:59<ml|>seems it was removed quickly, isn't there any or place he can get that?
19:59<vvas>also, i should point out that the xserver-xorg is an almost empty one, apart from a couple of keyboard configuration scripts there's not much in there
20:00<vvas>so i really *really* doubt that the upgrade of this particular package is the one to blame
20:00<Arcalyth>Is it? hm..
20:01<Arcalyth>oh wow, just looked at the log again, I think I need to learn how to readl
20:01<Arcalyth>[REMOVE, DEPENDENCIES] fglrx-glx-ia32
20:01<vvas>that might explain things :-p
20:02<Arcalyth>oh god now I have to go through this agony again
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20:08<Arcalyth>Well, here goes nothing. I read from the place I got the fix that the new fglrx in sid Just Works...
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20:20<Arcalyth>I hate ATI.
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20:21<Arcalyth>Okay, so I downgraded all of the fglrx packages so that I could reinstall the ia32 package, but now I can't get a kernel module. It compiles, but it apparently depends on fglrx=1:9.5-1 which is unavailable.
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20:30<Arcalyth>Is there a way for me to retrieve fglrx-driver 1:9.5-1 or fglrx-glx-ia32 1:9.7-2?
20:31<adb>judd: versions fglrx-glx-ia32
20:31<judd>adb: fglrx-glx-ia32 --
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20:32<adb>judd: versions fglrx-driver
20:32<judd>adb: fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4 etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4 squeeze/non-free: 1:9-2-2 sid/non-free: 1:9-7-2
20:33<Arcalyth>9.7 works just fine, I just can't play any 32bit games with it.. all of my games are 32bit
20:33<chealer>adb: it looks like judd is out of date
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20:34<adb>i know that chealer ;)
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20:36<kerneld>OK, so is it safe to extend a swap partition?
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20:36<kerneld>and will I have to reboot to see it? (swapoff is out of the question)
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20:39<adb>Arcalyth: tried to debootstrap a 32 bit , and run games in chroot 32 bit ?
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20:39*Arcalyth blink
20:40<Arcalyth>What is debootstrap?
20:40<adb>dpkg: tell Arcalyth -about debootstrap
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20:41<Arcalyth>Oh, that's interesting.
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20:43<kerneld>vvas: Why increase swap?
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20:48<vvas>why not swapoff
20:48<kerneld>well system was overcommited
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20:48<kerneld>I actuallly did swapoff anyway
20:49<vvas>BTW, you can always have more than one swap partition / swap file
20:49<kerneld>extended swap rebooted, but swap had been initialized at the smaller size, had to shut stuff down then swapoff again
20:49<vvas>and add/remove them as necessary
20:50<kerneld>Yep, could have just made a swap2 lv
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20:54<Arcalyth>adb: # mkdir /lenny-chroot ; debootstrap --arch=i386 lenny /lenny-chroot #yes?
20:55<adb>seems ok
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20:58<vvas>i recommend schroot
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21:00<Arcalyth>thanks vvas
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21:19<Arcalyth>vvas, adb: how am I supposed to run another xserver in a chroot? or when I chroot wine blahblah/WoW.exe is it just gonna show up on my screen without any intervention on my part?
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21:31<acu>I updated from Lenny to Squeeze (AMD64) and only TOTEM can play movie and sound - no browser, no VLC nothing else I tried - does anyone knows how to fix this ?
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21:40<xeon-enouf>seems totom uses gstreamer asa backend, try to fix your other ones, xine, mplayer (ffmpeg, etc)?
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21:45<acu>I just found in a forum to change libsound0 to libsound-alsa - I do not know how to restart alsa - so I will reboot
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22:15<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
22:16<abrotman>he's long gone
22:17<bremner>I guess the reboot didn't work out :)
22:17<ml|>a reboot might not always be needed, but can't hurt ;)
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22:18<bremner>yes it can
22:18<adb>... yes , but why ?
22:19<bremner>rm /boot/grub/* && reboot
22:20<adb>bremner: it reboot well in somes cases ..
22:20<ml|>well, you'll have too reboot sometime better to find now than weeks months down the road you can't boot and forget what you did a while ago heh
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22:22<bremner>the point is rebooting is like getting out of an elevator. Sometimes it is better to wait a bit.
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22:24<xeon-enouf>not if someone cut a fart :-p
22:24<ml|>some people don't reboot just they can say look at my uptime, which is silly ;) hah
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22:27<xeon-enouf>wow, is actually working ..amazing
22:28<adb>so you rebooted ...
22:28<ml|>xeon-enouf: i told you it works a while agao ;P
22:28<xeon-enouf>ml|: it crashes the app on the other installation
22:29<xeon-enouf>adb: moi?, nah
22:29<adb>jamais ..
22:29<ml|>are configs the same ? scripts the same ?
22:30<xeon-enouf>ml|: copied it over ;-) so yes
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22:30<ml|>you copied the whole ~/.irssi dir ?
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22:30<xeon-enouf>ml|: obviously, something is diff
22:30<ml|>well then
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22:31<xeon-enouf>why would i? installed new, copied over my .irssi/config
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22:32<xeon-enouf>same script - unless someone fixed it (i d/l directly) over the last few weeks
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22:33<ml|>xeon-enouf: i'm just saying there is your problem, make a backup of .irssi on machine giving you problems and rsync the whole .irssi from good one to test but i would close irssi on both first
22:34<xeon-enouf>ml|: the i might eventually have to .. reboot :-P
22:34<ml|>what does have to do with that? ;P
22:34<xeon-enouf>since, IIRC, it not only locked up the app, but the entire machine :-P
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22:35<ml|>and you haven't yet
22:35<xeon-enouf>ml|: nm me, i'm just being difficult
22:35<ml|>seems so ;P ;)
22:35<craigevil>bad irssi script perhaps, twirssi causes me to disconnect often here
22:35<xeon-enouf>ml|: i'm not in the mood to test-crash-dummy atm :-0
22:36<ml|>that's what i'm thinking craigevil
22:36<ml|>xeon-enouf: hah :)
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22:37<craigevil>im using 8 scripts here , twirssi is the only one ive tried so far that has caused problems
22:37<craigevil>even nicklist inside screen inside screen works ok
22:38<ml|>i use 10 no issues here knock on wood heh ;)
22:38<ml|>and always in screem
22:40<craigevil>only script i couldnt get to work was it needed a cpan module that i built with dh-make-perl then i didnt have the depends for the .deb to install
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22:44<xeon-enouf>craigevil: use an equivs? or you also needed functionality from the depends?
22:45<craigevil>idk it said it needed libwww and i have it installed
22:46<ml|>i had a similar issue ib the past and had to install another lib, but i forget now
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22:48<ml|>maybe it was libwww-mechanize-perl
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