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00:06<jpablo>Hi there.. I tried format a mp4 with mkfs.vfat but the system said me that "Read only..."
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00:07<jpablo>How Can I delete the files of that memory?
00:08<arcalyth>is it mounted?
00:09<jpablo>arcalyth: yes
00:10<arcalyth>you mkfs on devices not mountpoints. unmount it, and figure out what device it is under /dev
00:10<arcalyth>for example if when you plug it in, it shows up as /dev/sdb1 then that's what you would format
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00:13<jpablo>I'm trying with that way
00:17<jpablo>arcalyth: the files were deleted.. tks
00:17<arcalyth>np problem
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00:19<Bryan>GO BEARS
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00:45<dli>to get debian installer on usb-stick? what do I need? the installation manual is quite confusing
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01:08<erin>hi peeps
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01:09<erin>i already asked in httpd so dont get mad at me for asking here
01:09<erin>long post hold your horses
01:09<erin>#| hi peeps
01:09<erin>[01:04:21] bbelt16ag | got a question
01:09<erin>[01:04:58] -=- Channel created on Sat Apr 4 16:05:13 2009
01:09<erin>[01:04:58] bbelt16ag | i am trying to do this how to setup dav subversion and apache2
01:09<erin>[01:05:03] bbelt16ag | i am getting stuck here
01:09<erin>[01:05:13] bbelt16ag |
01:09<erin>[01:05:16] bbelt16ag | on 6.4
01:09<erin>[01:05:33] bbelt16ag | i generated my files but the win2003 server wont accept my crs file
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01:09<erin>[01:06:31] bbelt16ag | and shouldnt that be public key not private ket at the end of 6.4?? BAH
01:10<ml|>dpkg: tell dli about usb install
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01:11<dli>ml|, the manual says, "vmlinuz and initrd.gz", then, somewhere else, "copy a cd image .iso", I want to know whether I do need the cd image on usb?
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01:12<ml|>erin: why don't you pastebin the relevent parts and paste the link here with a short explanation
01:15<ml|>dli: did you read this?... you can also use unetbootin
01:15<ml|>dpkg: tell dli about unetbootin
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01:18<dli>ml|, I made one from unetbootin, but it installed lenny, while I think I selected "testing" :(
01:18<erin>there ya go
01:18<dli>ml|, need to reinstall as squeeze, so, remake the usb.
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01:20<ml|>dli: the squeeze installer might not work, i would install lenny then upgrade to testing if that's what you want, if lenny is already installed /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze make sure lenny is up to date with any updates first
01:21<dli>ml|, I have done that, upgraded to squeeze, but still need to reinstall :(
01:22<dli>ml|, because I selected jfs for rootfs. while grub2 complains about "jfs doesn't not support UUIDs"
01:22<simonrvn>so edit grub on boot, then fix it once in userspace
01:22<dli>ml|, even though I know jfs supports UUIDs, and I can boot root jfs with root=UUID, but still better to switch to ext4
01:23<dli>simonrvn, apt-get install grub2, failed, not sure about how to fix it
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01:23<ml|>lenny installer does not support ext4 atm iirc
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01:23<dli>ml|, that's why I want to try squeeze installer
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01:24<simonrvn>um, so why is grub2 complaining if ... *sigh*
01:24<ml|>heh, yeah does not make sense
01:25<dli>simonrvn, I don't know. grub-probe: error: jfs does not support UUIDs
01:25<dli>ml|, reading
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01:25<ml|>dli: maybe try kmuto for ext4 /msg dpkg kumto
01:26<dli>ml|, I think I complained years ago about confusing part of this chapter, it's still so. :(
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01:26<dli>ml|, I can install via debootstrap to get ext4, the worst case
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01:30<jm_>probably worth submitting a bug about the jfs issue
01:31<dli>jm_, hold on, might be my bad, I should add UUID to my jfs partition first
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01:31<erin>is this the right way
01:33<ml|>dli: it should have UUID already, try blkid and look at the output
01:34<jm_>dli: yeah you're thinking about labels
01:34<jm_>unless jfs is different
01:34<dli>ml|, jm_ , I think I usually add UUID by jfs_tune -U, before doing so, no UUID for jfs
01:34<jm_>dli: ok, so it is different then
01:35<ml|>ok, i don't use jfs so blkid does not show a UUID for each of your partitions then?
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01:36<dli>ml|, I use gentoo mostly, I think the command blkid is removed from gentoo, I usually use "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/"
01:37<ml|>yeah or that would work also
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01:46<eightmillion>i have a debian virtual host that i ssh into. i can't get the terminal to detect my window size. it just gives me 80x25 no matter what i try
01:46<dli>jm_, yes, even with valid UUID for jfs, "apt-get install grub2" still fails with "jfs does not support UUIDs"
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01:49<erin>ok what did i do wrong
01:49<jm_>dli: you can set GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true in /etc/default/grub
01:49<ml|>dli: if you want to use jfs check bts for a possible workaround and/or file a bug report if there isn't one
01:49<erin> thats the how to. trying to get CA to work now
01:50<jm_>but quick look at update-grub and 10_linux says it can handle a case where it can't find UUID (but I am looking at the version in lenny)
01:50<ml|>i don't think grub2 installs for dli tho
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01:52<jm_>yup, from I understood it's update-grub that is failing, I could be wrong though and it's grub-install
01:53<dli>jm_, I'm switching to ext4 :)
01:53<jm_>ahh it insists on using uuid-s when you have a separate /boot by the looks of it
01:53<dli>jm_, UUID is a nice feature. better to use it
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01:54<dli>jm_, yes, I should get a /boot partition, since I'm switching file system. good point to add /boot
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01:56<ml|>yes separate /boot of 100mb-256mb should do
01:57<dli>ml|, it has 4GB swap, 1 TB / now, I can give it a 512MB /boot
01:58<dli>ml|, it has a 6TB /home on raid5, so I can "cp -ax" the rootfs, and swithc fs
01:58<jm_>hah nice and long fsck time, lucky you are using ext4
01:58<dli>jm_, I chose jfs, becaue fsck is relatively fast. hate ext3 fsck time
01:59<ml|>yes ext4 does fsck much quicker :)
01:59<jm_>dli: right, ext4 will also help
01:59<ml|>rm are also quicker :)
01:59<dli>jm_, still doing mkfs now. :( really slow on mkfs.ext4 for 6TB
01:59<locsmif>erin, looks like a bug to me
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02:00<ml|>dli: so what installer did you settle on?
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02:01<erin>i got it to work now i redid my directories wiped it clean and started over for Ca
02:01<erin>ty for the help locsmif
02:01<dli>ml|, no need to installer any more, I think I will just take the hard drive of the next box, and do "cp -ax"
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02:03<ml|>dli: don't forget to edit fstab for ext4
02:03<dli>ml|, sure, I will use UUIDs
02:03<ml|>yeah was about to suggest that also
02:04<erin>another questions what does this mean
02:04<dli>ml|, I think UUID won't help software raid, still have to use /dev/md0
02:05<erin>still gettin a error
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02:05<locsmif>erin, stems from the earlier error
02:06<erin>which one
02:06<erin>the bug you mentioned?
02:06<locsmif>plus, do you normally svn as root?
02:06<ml|>dli: ok i know nothing about raid, might want to use rsync -avzAHXn --progress
02:06<locsmif>if you don't the svn server will additionally refuse you entry
02:06<erin>ok i gues i can do it as a user
02:07<locsmif>because your credentials aren't cached as root, but under the normal user
02:07<ml|>oh, remove -n when ready for actual transfer
02:07<erin>same error as user erin
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02:08<erin>sigh like i know how to use svn
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02:08<erin>i am just trying to get it to work right
02:09<dli>ml|, I don't think default installation will have attr set, so, no need for -X
02:10<locsmif>erin, looks like webdav ain't working yet either
02:10*erin smacks head on the desktop and breaks the table...
02:10<locsmif>(this seems seperate from the signature problem)
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02:11<erin>i put it as the name of the server what could be wrong with it ?
02:11<erin>its xena.amphipolis.thrace.local in the dns
02:11<erin>whats wrong with it?
02:11<locsmif>erin, first test webDAV, is what I suggest, Debian apparently has some tools to do so
02:11<erin>i swear i dont need this hassle i am going to ssh and remote desktop in instead
02:11<locsmif>erin: ok
02:13<erin>pain in the butt i swear been trying to do some dav+ssl for weeks
02:13<erin>i should farm it out to my ex she could make it for me heheh... bet should charge me through the nose.
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02:15<erin>its the authentication i think i put it on basic and it works.
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02:15<erin>i got a svn - Revision ): / powerby subversion is correct
02:16<erin>now what do i gotta do to make it writeable now?
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02:17<locsmif>You mean get webDAV working?
02:17<locsmif>I'm just thinking out loud...I'd use tools from the Debian repository to test webDAV until it works
02:18<locsmif>nd - Tiny little command line WebDAV interface
02:18<locsmif>Let the SSL stuff wait
02:19<erin>i can cadeaver in to it now
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02:19<erin>and the ssl works i am usint https:// to connect to it.
02:19<sangeetha>hi all
02:19<locsmif>erin, and write?
02:19<erin>not yet
02:19<erin>which webpage or cadeaver?
02:19<locsmif>well since webDAV is about writing, webDAV only works once you write
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02:20<locsmif>Are you authenticated?
02:20<sangeetha>lenny stable is getting restarted automatically
02:20<locsmif>You should've made a user / pw file
02:20<locsmif>AuthUserFile /etc/apache2/passwd.dav
02:21<sangeetha>could anyone help to find out the problem
02:21<erin>cant i use my linux local users?
02:22<locsmif>erin, nope, this is a seperate file
02:23<locsmif>Or did you use MySQL yet
02:23<erin>why would i need mysql
02:23<erin>for users?
02:24<locsmif>erin, it's in the tutorial, man :P
02:24<erin>i was just using that as a ref for the Ca stuff
02:24<locsmif>oh, ok
02:24<locsmif>Well I figured you might be following that to the t.
02:24<erin>that one
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02:25<erin>for that password file
02:25<locsmif>Did you do that yet?
02:25<erin>not yet
02:26<locsmif>Use htpasswd2 to create new users that may write via webDAV
02:26<locsmif>It should write to a file that matches your Apache config
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02:26<locsmif>I.e. same file names/path
02:26<locsmif>Apache will then read that file when you connect with Cadaver
02:27<locsmif>It should work this time
02:27<erin>ok i am install the file
02:27<locsmif>E.g. htpasswd2 -c /etc/apache2/dav_svn.passwd svnuser
02:27<erin>thanks for the help locsmif
02:27<locsmif>But then also: AuthUserFile
02:27<erin>how good are you at getting the authorization to use ldap users?
02:28<locsmif>erin, not good at all
02:28<locsmif>These are some basic things I know
02:28<locsmif>erin, I mean: AuthUserFile
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02:28<erin>thats my ultimate goal but this will do so i can version and upload/download my files
02:28<locsmif>Paste bullshit
02:30<locsmif>If you are using the command: htpasswd2 -c /etc/apache2/dav_svn.passwd svnuser (Your username is now "svnuser", obviously), then your apache config should have the same filename in it: AuthUserFile /etc/apache2/dav_svn.passwd
02:30<locsmif>That's what I wanted to say, before pasting issues bothered me
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02:30<locsmif>htpasswd will of course ask you for a pw
02:31<locsmif>svnuser could also be 'mickey_mouse', anything you like
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02:31<locsmif>Good luck =)
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02:36<sangeetha>lenny (stable) is getting restarted automatically
02:37<netskillsii>hello everyone need help installing sound on debian lenny, any help or suggestions is much appreciated
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02:39<jm_>sound drivers are installed together with kernel
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02:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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02:46<netskillsii>thank you, can you please help me out, i am currently running kernel version 2.6.26-2-686, also running Debian Lenny. Everything was installed including my volume keys but i am currently with no sound. Can you guide me on checking if my kernel has the appropriate drivers.
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02:47<netskillsii>Is there a step i am missing??
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02:49<jm_>ok, do this : cat /proc/asound/cards
02:50<jm_>next : 'amixer scontents' and verify volume levels and mute switch (that would be [on] or [off])
02:51<netskillsii>this is the result: 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
02:51<netskillsii> HDA ATI SB at 0x50080000 irq 16
02:51<jm_>that looks fine
02:51<jm_>don't paste more than 2 lines here (i.e. definitely not amixer scontents output), use a pastebin
02:52<dmoerner>netskillsii: have you gone through the alsa checklist? (/msg dpkg alsa checklist)
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02:52<jm_>also check if you have some silly stuff in the ~/.asoundrc file
02:53<netskillsii>ok so my mute button is ON, and i am able to turn off and increase volume but no sound.
02:54<netskillsii>dmoerner i haven't done the alsa checklist? this is my first time installing debian text based.
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03:01<meglo>I'm having sound problems too with my ca0106 chipset but I've already done a bunch of weird stuff to my system and I can't backtrace in my head
03:01<meglo>not asking for help i'm on to something
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03:02<jm_>!tell netskillsii -about alasa checklist
03:02<dmoerner>+!tell netskillsii -about alsa checklist
03:03<jm_>i fixed it in /msg ;)
03:03<dmoerner>oh, sorry :)
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03:03<meglo>yeah my system *looks* like it would check out through what jm_ said to do (didn't know about /proc/asound) and I've done the checklist
03:03<jm_>meglo: what problems are they?
03:03<meglo>simply no sound
03:03<meglo>checked my speakers and plugins
03:03<jm_>how about mixer levels etc?
03:03<meglo>speaker-test while fiddling with stuff physically
03:03<dmoerner>meglo: so if you just do like an arbitrary "cat < /bin/ls > /dev/snd" it fails to do anything?
03:03<erin>ok well it didnt work sigh
03:04<meglo>jm_, there aren't enough mixers. backporting the .30 kernel to lenny provides me with Master, but no PCM. right now I have not too many, they're all unmuted and up
03:04<erin>what can i use instead of DAV/webdav and a website. so that i can version my documents and access them from a windows box w/o installing software?
03:04<meglo>dmoerner, uhh
03:04<jm_>meglo: are you sure you are not using pcspkr module as card0 and real card as card 1?
03:04<erin>i dont really care if its cli or not
03:05<meglo>dmoerner, everything is in /dev/snd
03:05<erin>and my connection have to be secureed
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03:05<meglo>so I do chmod a+x /dev/snd/*
03:05<meglo>it isn't a device
03:05<meglo>/dev/dsp does not exist
03:05<meglo>jm_, woah
03:05<dmoerner>meglo: i meant to type /dev/dsp. that should exist.
03:05<meglo>jm_, I have never heard of that and don't understand alsa, but tell me more
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03:06<meglo>oh it does
03:06<jm_>meglo: paste the output of cat /proc/asound/cards on pastebin
03:06<meglo>jm_, sure thing
03:06<dmoerner>meglo: compare the output of alsamixer -c0 and alsamixer -c1, as an alternative way to see if that's your problem
03:08<meglo>dmoerner, is that like hw:0,0 and hw:0,1
03:08<meglo>because through the audacious alsa plugin i've tried both, but it seems PCM is being held hostage and it can't open it
03:09<meglo>dmoerner, I only have one card, so -c0 is the only valid argument
03:09<meglo>meglo@dbox:~$ alsamixer -c1 outputs: wrong -c argument '1'
03:09<meglo>actually I don't know
03:10<dmoerner>meglo: then the problem is probably not what jm_ was suggesting, unfortunately. unless pcspkr is masking your real sound card, but in that case it should still be producing some sound
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03:10<meglo>pcspkr hmmm
03:10<netskillsii>jm / dmoerner ; thank you, i will try this
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03:10<netskillsii>thanks everyone.
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03:11<meglo>IIRC my previous installation had sound working. Before this I disabled my onboard sound via BIOS(output didn't work, but input did) and had to redo a jumper eh
03:11<meglo>I don't think it is hardware.
03:11<meglo>*move it to another PCI slot*
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03:12<meglo><dmoerner> meglo: i meant to type /dev/dsp. that should exist.
03:12<meglo>Oh yeah and I like /dev/random too
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03:12<meglo>I know redirects and piping, what are file descriptors
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03:13<meglo>jm_, sorry I was slow to pastebin. It was only two lines though so maybe it could fit in channel. :\
03:14<meglo>I also threw in amixer stuff
03:14<meglo>now I lost track of my plan
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03:14<jm_>meglo: hmm some creative cards use one of the mixer toggles to select analog/digital IIRC, did you check that?
03:15<meglo>in alsamixer with the [All] view I see some more mixers
03:15<meglo>and I can toggle
03:16<meglo>Item: Analog Source [Aux] *OR* [Line In]
03:16<meglo>Item: Digital Source [AC97 in] *OR* [Some other ones]
03:16<meglo>Is this what you're talking about?
03:16<meglo>jm_, ?
03:16<jm_>meglo: yup
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03:18<meglo>mic, phone, line in, aux for analog source
03:18<jm_>hmm ca0106 says it has Digital/Analog ( switch must be in Analog mode for CAPTURE. )
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03:18<meglo>Well, it has digital and analog, but they are different mixers
03:19<meglo>I'm not exactly sure how these relate to the four ports on my PCI card, though. Haha, the green plugin is in the green hole haha
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03:19<meglo>oh I hate this setup and getting up to look behind
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03:21<meglo>IEC and Analog, not sure what IEC is
03:21<meglo>analog :X
03:22<meglo>some hints are dropping near me I just have to thread them together I wish my mind was working better
03:23<meglo>but this is just the mixer device, for analog and IEC through the ALSA plugin for audacious(I put vlc -v 2 to see if it has similar problems accessing PCM) not playbcak
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03:26<jm_>i have audigy 2 and it just works
03:27<meglo>yeah this just works in some other installations, just for some reason not by default on debian net-install
03:27<meglo>i had to aptitude install alsa-base etc etc
03:29<meglo>jm_, what about pcspkr masking my real sound card like others have suggested
03:29<meglo>I should google what that is
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03:32<meglo>Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.17
03:32<meglo>well I did just compile it for 1.0.20 but it isn't installed apparently ehhh
03:32<meglo>maybe I should reboot
03:32<meglo>but not before I look into modprobe.conf
03:33<meglo>oh no where do I put these aliases now
03:33<meglo>/etc/modprobe.d but in multiple files
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03:34<meglo>linux-sound-base_noOSS in /etc/modprobe.d is blacklisting a lot of modules :\
03:35<jm_>meglo: that's not it if you have no card1
03:35<meglo>pcspkr is not the problem, because I have no card1, yes?
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03:36<jm_>yes, /proc/asound/cards would show that
03:37<meglo>should I plug my loudspeakers in randomly to the four ports behind or is that just stupid
03:39<jm_>i'd expect green (=front) to work, but i noticed ca0106 wiki page also mentions side speakers and hw 0,3
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03:40<meglo>something is working
03:40<meglo>aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav as root
03:40<meglo>gives me
03:40<meglo>jm_, yes I hmmm
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03:40<jm_>meglo: what does it give you?
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03:41<jm_>did you check if you have .asoundrc?
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03:41<meglo>I did but removed it
03:41<meglo>long time ago
03:42<meglo>dbox:/home/meglo# aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
03:42<meglo>ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
03:42<meglo>now that I quit audacious, that command works
03:43<jm_>sonds like you need to configure dmix - i.e. only one app can play at the same time
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03:44<meglo>only one app is fine i just
03:44<meglo>have to seee
03:44<meglo>if i can get some encoded audio to play
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03:49<meglo>it works
03:49<meglo>but i'm not amazed like I used to be :(
03:49<meglo>no high from solving problems
03:49<meglo>by the fact I don't even know how I/You/my computer solved it
03:49<meglo>it was magical flipping of mixer stuff
03:49<meglo>oh and a backported kernel + compiled alsa from tarballs
03:50<meglo>linux on the desktop is complex
03:52<jm_>i hate how they sae dmix is enabled by default nowadays but we constantly get people here running into this, would be good to know where the problem is
03:52<meglo>jm_, sound was probably working for a while with the fiddling, but I didn't know it because I was trying to use a program to play encoded music instead of something simpler
03:54<meglo>jm_, wait do you know where the problem laid? I suppose dmix is some software mixer application, is it related to alsa or debian?
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03:56<kenyon>meglo: dmix is part of ALSA
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03:57<dpkg>from memory, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See or another sample asound.conf at or
03:57<meglo>kenyon, thank you
03:57<jm_>meglo: it's an alsa plugin yes
03:58<MyWifeIs19>in PLT scheme, I can use [1 2 3] instead of (list 1 2 3) Is this universal scheme thing or PLT specific?
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04:14<locklace>not that it's at all clear why you asked here and not in some #scheme
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04:22<MyWifeIs19>I joined #scheme and I was the only one :)
04:25<dpkg>well, tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <server tasks> and <laptop task>.
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04:26<themill>MyWifeIs19: there's a #scheme on freenode with 127 people in it
04:26<dinamic>Anyone knows how to get DebianInstaller invoking tasksel so the user can select my custom tasks when installating my cutomized LiveCD ?
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04:29<MyWifeIs19>!toast themill
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04:33<zanaga>Does anyone here happen to have an selinux enabled lenny with unconfined module unloaded? I'm pretty sure i've missed some step in the setup but it's just not described anywhere
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05:47<rumpsy>can you help in installing a package in debian 3.1
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05:47<teddy>which one
05:48<rumpsy>okay wait i will describe you...
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05:49<rumpsy>when i type sudo command its asking for password.. but i can't remember my password
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05:49<koollman>rumpsy: how did you log in ?
05:50<rumpsy>teddy: I logged in as user.. and too i'm the root user
05:50<rumpsy>teddy: i know root pasword
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05:52<rumpsy>When i about use sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ......... its asking me a password... when i give root password its not accepting me
05:52<teddy>did u try u r pwd?
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05:53<koollman>rumpsy: use the user password
05:53<koollman>rumpsy: or, use 'su' and the root password
05:53<rumpsy>teddy: wait let me check my password now...
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05:55<rumpsy>koollman: okay i tried root password too... it displaying me a error msg like (E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail able)
05:55<rumpsy>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
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05:55<rumpsy>koollman: what should i do??
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05:55<koollman>find out which other program is running some apt process
05:56<koollman>(things like aptitute, synaptic or some gnome desklet do that)
05:56<teddy>try to restart the system and try again
05:56<tcsetattr>fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock
05:56<rumpsy>koollman: okay let me find that....
05:57<rumpsy>teddy: i tried my user password too... its not working
05:57<teddy>u just restart the system and try again
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05:58<rumpsy>koollman: ya i found that another program is in update progress...
05:58<rumpsy>koollman: should i wait for that process
05:58<koollman>teddy: 'reboot' isn't much of a solution :)
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05:59<rumpsy>koollman: i found that i program is using synaptic package manager.
06:00<rumpsy>koollman: u mean that i should wait for that process t finish right??
06:00<Hideo>it's funny to me how people always ignore the one knowledgable advice and follow all other stupid advices
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06:02<stuckey>Hello, how do I add a user?
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06:02<rumpsy>Hideo: what do you mean???
06:02<Hideo>try what tcsetattr said
06:02<stuckey>I did "adduser name" but that didn't work
06:03<Dayofswords>is's #ubuntu link right to freenode's #unbuntu ?
06:03<rumpsy>Hideo: how could one find a person is giving good advice..
06:03<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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06:04<Hideo>rumpsy: approach the problem from different angles, don't just reboot, or redo what you had already done before and expect different results
06:04<Dayofswords>oh just relised i posted that in the wrong tab, sorry
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06:06<rumpsy>Hideo: why should i reboot... just i want to know what's teddy gonna say for this
06:06<stuckey>Does anyone here know how to add a new user to a system?
06:07<rumpsy>Hideo: As you said i will analyse in all angles.. as you said.
06:07<dr|z3d>stuckey: If you have to ask, why not use gnome's user-admin tool?
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06:07<Hideo>rumpsy: so have you tried what tcsetattr told you yet?
06:07<stuckey>dr|z3d: I like learning how to do stuff with the command line.
06:07<stuckey>dr|z3d: And also, I don't use gnome.
06:07<digifor>How do I get rid of the diagonal stripes on my gnome and lxde icons
06:07<digifor>started after I installed gwibber
06:08<dr|z3d>stuckey: So, man adduser
06:08<stuckey>dr|z3d: it really isn't very helpful... I don't understand what it is talking about.
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06:09<stuckey>What's the difference between the five different modes? It doesn't say...
06:09<stuckey>How am I know to know which one I need?
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06:10<dr|z3d>You're meant to pierce the balloon of ignorance with some choice googling.
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06:11<rumpsy>Hideo not yet still i'm waiting..... for some other way
06:11<Hideo>well I give up
06:11<stuckey>Yeah, man pages aren't so good.
06:12<stuckey>When I figure it out, I'll tell you...
06:12<dr|z3d>They are, but you need to read them.
06:12<dr|z3d>Not so hot for pictures.
06:12<dr|z3d>Google is a great resource.
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06:12<stuckey>I just read one. I've read serveral. They generally suck.
06:12<stuckey>You just agreed with me that you're supposed to supplelment them with google.
06:12<dr|z3d>If you demonstrate an inclination to use GOogle _before_ you ask here, you'll likely get more help.
06:13<stuckey>May I only use google or can I use AltiVista or yahoo?
06:13<themill>stuckey: what do you mean "which of the five modes"?
06:13<stuckey>themill: man adduser
06:14<themill>stuckey: yes, I have it in front of me.
06:14<dr|z3d>In this context "google" means refer to your favorite search engines.
06:14<stuckey>"adduser and addgroup can be run in one of five modes:"
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06:15<themill>stuckey: right -- these relate to the five synopses give at the start. You only need to know what you want to do: add a normal user, add a system user, add a group, add a system group or add an existing user to an existing group.
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06:15<stuckey>themill: I'm setting up a server and I want it to have it's own user.
06:16<jm_>that's a normal user
06:16<stuckey>You know, like it's own login to the system...
06:16<themill>stuckey: Right -- so you've narrowed it down to creating a user. So that's only two of the options left: "normal" user or "system" user.
06:17<dr|z3d>stuckey: ^
06:17<jm_>this must have shitloads of howtos etc.
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06:17<stuckey>Is this the time when I'm supposed to supplement with google?
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06:17<dr|z3d>You're meant to supplement with google before you start using the channel as your own personal google service..
06:17<themill>stuckey: Do you want a normal user or a system user for running this daemon?
06:18<Hideo>themill: hehe when does your critical thinking class open?
06:19<stuckey>themill: I don't know. What would you do?
06:19<dr|z3d>"Following our previous example about adding me to the system, open up a terminal and issue the command adduser tolgabalci and enter the password twice."
06:19<jm_>he even correctly interpreted setting up a server as installing a daemon
06:19<themill>stuckey: I'd reread the man page to check the difference between them and look at /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz as well
06:19<rumpsy>hi how can i upgrade gaim to pidgin ...
06:20<stuckey>adduser: Please enter a username matching the regular expression configured
06:20<stuckey>via the NAME_REGEX configuration variable. Use the `--force-badname'
06:20<stuckey>option to relax this check or reconfigure NAME_REGEX.
06:20<themill>jm_: yeah, I deleted my sarcastic remark about a server being a lump of metal and silicon in a rack :)
06:20<stuckey>That's what I get when I do "adduser Stuckey1"
06:20<halifax>rumpsy: didi you try apt-get install pidgin
06:20<tcsetattr>your username has to be capitalized? what are you, royalty?
06:21<stuckey>tcsetattr: thank you
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06:22<themill>stuckey: you'll see that man 8 adduser pointed you to man 5 adduser.conf, which details that point.
06:22<rumpsy>how to use gdesklets app
06:22<petern>on lenny, periodically gnome-vfs-daemon is crashing
06:23<stuckey>themill: Seems like a pretty big point. If I had written 8 adduser, I would have put it on the first page.
06:23<themill>rumpsy: are you still using ubuntu? Please ask in #ubuntu on
06:23<halifax>rumpsy: you ask strange things here
06:23<rumpsy>halifax: thank you man let me try that
06:24<rumpsy>hemill: No i'm having ubuntu in my home... not here
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06:25<themill>stuckey: hardly -- unix usernames have always been lowercase. The creation of the "Debian-exim" user by the exim maintainers caused quite a stir. Remember that man pages are supposed to document things not teach them to you. There is a difference between a text book (for learning) and a reference book (for reminding). You'll find man pages almost always fall into the latter category.
06:26<rumpsy>halifax: gdesklets application is in debian operating system.... i need to use that .....that's what i asked about that..
06:26<tcsetattr>in happier times, we knew better than to allow usernames longer than 8 letters too
06:26<themill>tcsetattr: no... that was in frowny times when we thought parsing the output of ls was sensible...
06:27<halifax>rumpsy: i know that but did you
06:28<petern>and letters with dots in
06:28<petern>and usernames with dots in
06:28<tcsetattr>as far as I know, nobody ever did the a distribution audit for remaining programs that will truncate long usernames making the output implicate the wrong user
06:29<petern>anyone else had gnome-vfs-daemon problems, then?
06:29<tcsetattr>not just dots... hyphens!
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06:33<rumpsy>Halifax: could you help me in this case...
06:34<halifax>rumpsy: gdesklets application aboutthsi?
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06:36<rumpsy>Halifax: i installed that Gdesklet application i need to install gadgets for that..
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06:37<halifax>rumpsy: do you mean that -->
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06:38<rumpsy>Halifax: let me see that
06:39<rumpsy>Halifax: yes you got it
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06:40<rumpsy>Halifax: they given for ubuntu...
06:41<halifax>rumpsy: you mean for gnome
06:42<rumpsy>Halifax: i used this command apt-get install pidgin.. for this i'm getting error like (E: Couldn't find package pidgin)
06:42<rumpsy>halifax: ya for gnome i need that gdesklets..
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06:45<halifax>rumpsy: which distro? lenny --> apt-cache search pidgin | shows me the pidgin. perhaps you have to correct your /etc/apt/sources.list and do first apt-get update
06:45<teddy>u r os is debian or ubuntu?
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06:46<rumpsy>halifax: give me some suggestion
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06:46<halifax>rumpsy: lenny --> apt-cache search gdesklets shows me that you want...
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07:19<bighornram>I am getting "/etc/default/ssh: line 1: ELF: command not found" and am unable to ssh into that box.
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07:20<flodd>Hi guys
07:20<flodd>I have a question.
07:20<Pony>how can i see when a package was installed? date and time
07:20<Pony>flodd: just ask
07:21<themill>Pony: dpkg keeps logs /var/log/dpkg.log
07:21<flodd>I just upgraded from etch to lenny and all the colors in aterm got wierd. Do you know how to fix this?
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07:21<Pony>themill: is there a tool to query that, other than grep and less?
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07:22<themill>Pony: sed and awk? :P
07:22<Pony>themill: haha ;-)
07:23<flodd>I get some error messages, is it ok to paste them here?
07:23<Pony>flodd: /msg dpkg paste
07:23<weasel>flodd: you could check the timestamp on /var/lib/dpkg/info/$foo.list
07:24<flodd>And then paste?
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07:25<flodd>aterm has encountered the following problem interacting with X Windows : Request: 62, Error: 8(BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes))
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07:26<Pony>can i see which repository an installed package was downloaded from?
07:26<petemc>!which repo
07:26<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or
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07:26<petemc>i think aptitude has a better way of doing it too
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07:29<BullDoG>Hello to everybody!I have a problem!I have a black window at thet moment when i must to view window of login
07:30<BullDoG>my xorg.conf is clear
07:30<BullDoG>what i must to do?
07:30<petern>Program exited with code 0177.
07:30<petern>hmm, wonder what that means :s
07:32<bighornram>Getting ELF command not found on bootup from /etc/default/ssh what is this?
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07:33<halifax>BullDoG: why is your xorg.conf clear?
07:33<petemc>because xorg doesnt need xorg.conf any more
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07:34<BullDoG>but why i have black window?:)
07:34<weasel>because you didn't clean it in years.
07:34<flodd>I found a solution on the web. Appereantly the binary package of aterm doesn't work with 16 bit color depth.
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07:35<BullDoG>weasel: =D
07:35<BullDoG>petemc: and what to do?:)
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07:35<weasel>is that black window an xterm?
07:35<petemc>BullDoG: if the xorg autoconfiguring doesnt work, you can use X -configure to output xorg.conf and you can add the bits you need
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07:36<BullDoG>When i try to use X -configure then i have error message that monitor 0 is already...bla.bla.bla
07:36<weasel>so is X already running?
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07:40<BullDoG>i think yes:)
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07:42<stuckey>Anyone here know anything about debina-paste? I'm getting this error when using it now:
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07:42<ottoshmidt>do packages first go to testing or backports?
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07:43<ottoshmidt>i mean after passing unstable stage
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07:43<weasel>ottoshmidt: usually only packages from testing may be uploaded to bpo.
07:43<ottoshmidt>aha, thanks
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07:44<weasel>there are occasional exceptions
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07:47<stuckey>Does anyone know why debian paste doesn't work for me?
07:48<stuckey>Anyone here know anything about debina-paste? I'm getting this error when using it now:
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07:49<lancelot_of>hallo everybody
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07:51<lancelot_of>since last testing dist upgrade (yesterday) wireless doesn't work anymore on my laptop.any suggestion?
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07:53<OdyX>stuckey: use pastebinit - it works…
07:53<halifax>lancelot_of: do you use network-manager?
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07:54<lancelot_of>halifax, i used wpa_supplicant and no network-manager
07:54<OdyX>lancelot_of: what did you update ?
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07:54<lancelot_of>OdyX, my debian testing distro
07:55<OdyX>lancelot_of: :p yes. What _packages_ did you update ?
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07:55<lancelot_of>OdyX, oh, sorry :-) i can't remember...many packages however
07:55<OdyX>lancelot_of: what tool did you use ?
07:56<lancelot_of>OdyX, apt-get update next apt-get dist-upgrade
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07:58<lancelot_of>OdyX, i checked if something changed in kernel modules but nothing useful...the wireless board module is correctly loaded (rt2860sta)
07:58<OdyX>lancelot_of: try to look at file /var/log/apt/term.log to see what could possibly be linked to wireless
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08:01<lancelot_of>OdyX, nothing at a first view
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08:03<lancelot_of>OdyX, since yesterday upgrade running "iwlist scan" a new (unknown and unsetted by me) interface appears: pan0 (my wifi interface is ra0 listed as inactive)
08:04<OdyX>that's bluetooth afaik
08:04<OdyX>(I have to go btw)
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08:05<lancelot_of>thanks OdyX bye
08:05<lancelot_of>does anyone have any solution to my problem?
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08:14<darkeagle>why does debian tracker respond: Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker.
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08:19<lancelot_of>hallo?noone able to help me?
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08:24<halifax>lancelot_of: could you paste your /etc/network/interfaces and the output of lsmod and ifconfig lspci
08:24<defiant>ok quick question. xfe or thunar? im running flux
08:25<dr|z3d>defiant: Doens't make a lot of sense.. what are you asking?
08:25<dr|z3d>Thunar is Xfce's file manager..
08:26<defiant>for a file manager, should i use xfe or thunar?
08:26<dr|z3d>Try both, see what suits. Also look at pcman-fm.
08:27<defiant>okay dokey. anything is going to be better than shudder dolphin
08:28<dr|z3d>Thunar and pcman-fm are both good choices.. I'm not so familiar with xfe.
08:28<lancelot_of>halifax, here you're :
08:29<defiant>drlz3d: mmm pcmanfm looks nice from the scrshots. gonna dl it now... danke!
08:29<halifax>lancelot_of: ifconfig ra0 up?
08:30<halifax>because the interface is not up
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08:32<lancelot_of>halifax, SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not permitted
08:32<halifax>lancelot_of: did you that as root?
08:32<lancelot_of>halifax, of course
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08:32<lancelot_of>halifax, if i run ifup ra0 i get ifup: interface ra0 already configured
08:34<halifax>lancelot_of: if you do in /etc/network/interfaces auto ra0 instead of allow-hotplug ra0, it works?
08:34<halifax>only for testing
08:34<lancelot_of>halifax, dunno, let me try
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08:35<lancelot_of>halifax, i get the same answers
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08:38<lancelot_of>dunno if useful
08:38<halifax>lancelot_of: did you try to get a connection without wpa?
08:39<halifax>only for testing
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08:39<lancelot_of>halifax, wifi connection?
08:39<halifax>and what does iwconfig says
08:39<lancelot_of>halifax, no, dunno how to get a wifi connection without wpa
08:40<halifax>lancelot_of: you have to set yout access point
08:41<halifax>lancelot_of: iwconfig output looks fine
08:42<halifax>lancelot_of: could you give a try to the networkmanager, but you have to clean up your /etc/network/interfaces
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08:42<halifax>for that
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08:45<halifax>lancelot_of: rt2870sta it is an usbthing, do you have a pcmcia card?
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08:47<lancelot_of>halifax, yes integrated card
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08:49<halifax>lancelot_of: test it plz --> apt-cache search network-manager | apt-cache search network-manager-gnome
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08:55<lancelot_of>halifax, i tested ra0 with gnoome-nettool and it pings correctly to domain
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08:57<halifax>lancelot_of: in your situation i would do the following things: [1] do a test if your configuration works without wpa [2] do a test with networkmanager and wpa
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08:59<lancelot_of>halifax, 1) do you mean gnome-nettool with networkmanager? 2) how to start ra0 working with networkmanager
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09:00<halifax>read apt-cache show networkmanager and you will see what it is
09:00<stuckey>How do I change the password for a user?
09:00<halifax># passwd fobar
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09:00<jm_>stuckey: man 1 passwd
09:00<stuckey>halifax: I mean, as root
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09:01<halifax>stuckey: # = root
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09:03<meglo>What is that cellular technology that allows you to have internet over the telecom networks
09:04<petemc>theres a few
09:04<meglo>GPRMS errr
09:05<meglo>popular dongle in north america
09:05<dr|z3d>wireless is also provisioned on some phones.
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09:05<lancelot_of>halifax, can't understand how to use networkmanager
09:06<lancelot_of>halifax, i can only ping and so test the board but not run it
09:06<halifax>lancelot_of: you have to install first via apt-get install networkmanager and perhahs apt-get install network-manager-gnome too
09:06<goodger>is anyone else experiencing obscenely poor performance after upgrading to 2.6.30?
09:07<lancelot_of>halifax, yes i did, i'm talking about the use of network-manager-gnome
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09:07<dr|z3d>goodger: When I did, if anything, I noticed a perf increase, especially wrt bootup time.
09:08<halifax>lancelot_of: then, clean up your /etc/network/interfaces file do a backup of this file and put only # The loopback network interface
09:08<halifax>auto lo
09:08<halifax>iface lo inet loopback
09:08<goodger>by "obscene" I mean "click 'buddy list' in panel, wait 1s for window to be displayed, then wait 30-60s while pidgin hangs, then switch back to iceweasel and observe same effect"
09:08<halifax>now do a restart, you shut find a icon and there you will be able to fill in your wpa password ....
09:09<dr|z3d>goodger: 2.6.31 is current.. tried upgrading to that?
09:10<lancelot_of>halifax, a restart of what?
09:10<halifax># shutdown -r now
09:10<goodger>dr|z3d, I wouldn't really like to upgrade to it as it hasn't reached testing yet, but I shall investigate...
09:11<lancelot_of>halifax, where should i find the icon?
09:12<halifax>lancelot_of: perhahs in application / internet or on the right top
09:13<lancelot_of>halifax, i don't use gnome
09:13<lancelot_of>i'm on fluxbox
09:13<halifax>lancelot_of: what are you using?
09:13<lancelot_of>i've no icons on desktop
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09:14<halifax>lancelot_of: if you not using gnome, you can remove network-manager-gnome
09:14<halifax>lancelot_of: are you using kde?
09:14<lancelot_of>halifax, fluxbox
09:15<halifax>lancelot_of: ok, what happens if you do networkmanger in shell
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09:16<lancelot_of>i've not that command, that was my questionn before...i installed networkmanager but i can't find its command in shell
09:18<halifax>lancelot_of: apropos networkmanager?
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09:19<lancelot_of>NetworkManager (8) - network management daemon
09:19<lancelot_of>nm-tool (1) - utility to report NetworkManager state and devices
09:19<halifax>lancelot_of: man 8 NetworkManager
09:20<jm_>also: dpkg -L pkgname
09:20<halifax>lancelot_of: man 1 nm-tool
09:20<halifax>lancelot_of: or dpkg -l | grep networkmanager
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09:23<adama26>lancelot_of: try nm-applet, or /etc/init.d/network-manager start as root
09:24<lancelot_of>i'm confused... nm-tool returns wifi not managed
09:24<lancelot_of>NetworkManager up ra0 returns nothing
09:25<lancelot_of>i'm not an expert..
09:25<halifax>lancelot_of: /etc/init.d/network-manager restart or start
09:26<lancelot_of>can i run nm-tool?
09:26<lancelot_of>or NetworkManager up ra0
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09:29<halifax>lancelot_of: does it work now?
09:29<lancelot_of>halifax, it seems not
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09:30<halifax>lancelot_of: did you try try nm-applet
09:30<lancelot_of>halifax, i did "NetworkManager up ra0" then nm-tool returns ra0 unmanaged
09:31<lancelot_of>i have not nm-applet
09:31<fluor->hi there - I'm running Debian stable on a x86 machine with snd_via82xx for audio, and my problem is that /dev/mixer doesn't get created - how can I force udev to generate it?
09:31<halifax>lancelot_of: the output of ifconfing?
09:31<lancelot_of>the same as before
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09:32<halifax>lancelot_of: what's now your /etc/network/interfaces
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09:32<lancelot_of>halifax, that i changed before
09:32<lancelot_of>only with lo interface
09:33<halifax>lancelot_of: did you a reboot aof your system?
09:33<budo>if i want to 'set -o vi' as default env variable for bash on a system-wide level, i set it in /etc/profile, right ?
09:33<lancelot_of>halifax, not...
09:33<prahal>fluor-, I bet this is snd_mixer_oss , did you built your own kernel (this could be that you forgot to add this module)
09:33<lancelot_of>halifax, sorry i'm going to reboott
09:34<lancelot_of>wait for a while
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09:35<fluor->prahal: no, using 2.6.26 from Debian
09:36<fluor->prahal: thanks!!
09:36<fluor->prahal: I had to modprobe snd_mixer_oss
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09:36<fluor->prahal: thanks a bunch!
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09:36<fluor->now what's the correct way to modprobe snd_mixer_oss on boot?
09:37<fluor->it has changed a lot over years afaik
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09:37<lancelot_of>halifax, nothing to do
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09:39<carolanne>cade vc?
09:39<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:39<halifax>lancelot_of: does it work?
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09:39<lancelot_of>halifax, nooo :-((
09:40<carolanne>como tá
09:40<lancelot_of>halifax, /etc/network/interfaces is the same as before
09:40<halifax>lancelot_of: you are now online with the eth0?
09:40<lancelot_of>halifax, yes
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09:41<halifax>lancelot_of: you mean the /etc/network/interfaces is empty?
09:42<lancelot_of>halifax, filled only with lo interfaces
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09:43<halifax>lancelot_of: ok, then the networkmanager works because your eth0 is up
09:43<carolanne>nicoly porra
09:43<carolanne> cade tuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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09:44<lancelot_of>halifax, so why not wifi?
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09:44<halifax>lancelot_of: did you a test without eth0?
09:45<lancelot_of>halifax, no....howto?
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09:46<halifax>lancelot_of: the easiest way would be to pull the cable out of your eth card... ;-)
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09:46<lancelot_of>halifax, i'm trying
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09:48<lancelot_of>halifax, no wifi running
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09:48<halifax>lancelot_of: and you did a reboot of course
09:49<bja>Its been two days that i get this message "The following signatures were invalid: ...Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <>" how can it be fixed?
09:49<lancelot_of>halifax, the only difference is that now in nm-tool i see wireless "disconnected" instead of "unmanaged"
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09:49<halifax>lancelot_of: ifconfig ra0 up
09:49<halifax>lancelot_of: dhclient raa0
09:49<halifax>lancelot_of: dhclient ra0
09:50<lancelot_of>halifax, SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not permitted
09:51<lancelot_of>halifax, without wpa_supplicant i can't set essid and password of my wifi nbetwork
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09:53<halifax>perhaps you should try another driver for your wihi card
09:53<lancelot_of>halifax, this one has always worked
09:55<halifax>lancelot_of: man 7 netdevice
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09:56<lancelot_of>it's becaming too much difficult for me
09:57<lancelot_of>i can't understand what's the problem depending on last distro upgrade
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09:57<lancelot_of>so i can't proceed
09:57<halifax>lancelot_of: which distro ar you using?
09:58<lancelot_of>debian testing
09:58<halifax>lancelot_of: and if you would use stable, are there the same troubles
09:59<lancelot_of>halifax, dunno, i can't reinstall the whole OS for a problem with wifi
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10:15<kostix>is there any separate room for legal questions (akin to debian-legal ML) or should I ask here?
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10:23<wekt>bja: did you do an update?
10:24<wekt>bja: what gives the message?
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10:39<bja>wekt: i update daily and that message has been showing up for a couple of days now
10:39<bja>the message is given by atp-get update
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10:47<dres>I'm having a problem starting up my raid1. Getting the message "mdadm: No suitable drives found for /dev/md0".
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10:47<wekt>bja: I had aptitude showing me packages as Unverified, but I did an aptitude update today and now it works fine.
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10:48<dres>It started with the partitions on sda disappearing (/proc/partitions didn't show sda1 sda2 sda3 (sda3 being the raid partition)). Anyone got any ideas?
10:48<dres>When I "mdadm --examine /dev/sda3" it shows what looks like good superblock info.
10:49<dres>But "mdadm -A /dev/md0 /dev/sda3" gives me the "No suitable drives" message.
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10:50<bja>wekt: that is a normal behaviour when certain amount of time passes between updates, that messaages shows up, so you have to update the list from the repositories to verify them
10:50<wekt>I also do updates almost daily, so that shouldn't be normal for me.
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10:51<bja>wekt: the GPG error is server dependant, it usually gets fixed within hours, but its been a couple of days now
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10:51<datacrusher>anyone got a nice tip to install flash support on debian etch 64?
10:51<wekt>or maybe it is. But when one does an update, one should get the key, signatures, and new package list together. Does it not happen that way?
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10:52<oznt>hi everyone, does some one know why sysvconfig is not is squeeze and further ? was there some problem ?
10:52<bja>datacrusher: google it, you will find a link to adobe labs download the file unpack it on the apropiate dir and it should work fine, beware of flash cookies
10:52<bja>wekt: I'm not sure
10:53<datacrusher>iv went to flash site, but didnt work on 64 structure
10:53<datacrusher>adobe i mean
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10:54<bja>datacrusher: i told you to google it, adoble flash 64 bits it will not show up the normal dowload site, it will show the labs sections which is not directly linked to the adobe site
10:55<abraham>datacrusher its in the repos
10:55<abraham>just get flashplugin-nonfree
10:55<abraham>thats the adobe one
10:55<abraham>its in backports
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10:56<abraham>well for lenny at least on amd64
10:56<datacrusher>i use etch
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10:56<abraham>try adding backports to your sources.list
10:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 403] by debhelper
10:57<abraham>then aptitude search etch-backports flash
10:57<bja>datacrusher: an update to lenny will not hurt you, i believe support for etch is finalizing in a few weeks (someone correct me if i'm wrong)
10:57<abraham>i think they have allready dropped new backports developement
10:57<datacrusher>well. i run a samba file server only here.. must i be worryed about the update?: to painful to do it?
10:58<abraham>naw its quick and painless
10:58<craigevil>the etch flash is only flash 9 some sites wont work well with it
10:58<bja>datacrusher: take your precautions to do the updtae, but as abraham said it should be quick and painless
10:58<abraham>just keep the config files you have for samba
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10:59<abraham>i would back em up in case
10:59<bja>datacrusher: a full backup of /etc is in place, just to be on the safe side
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11:00<abraham>and it gives you an option in the upgrade to keep your existing file merge or view changes i believe
11:00<datacrusher>i see.
11:00<datacrusher>well, ill focus on upgrading my etch server to lenny first
11:00<datacrusher>later ill check out on flash
11:01<abraham>flash on lenny works great
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11:04<bja>datacrusher: when you have time take a look here ""
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11:07<datacrusher>thanks for the attention, ill check it out
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11:48<retroj>hello, what is the correct debian way to set the window manager for a single user? I'm used to just running the wm from my .xinitrc, but how do I prevent gnome desktop from loading, without uninstalling it for other users?
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11:49<cahoot>retroj: doesn't gdm offer anyone to choose wm?
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11:50<retroj>I don't use gdm
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11:50<Cybodog>has there been a fix for dual head fglrx ? My searches are showing old posts from two years ago.
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11:58<klh>jclinton, I'm sorry to query you but I can not retrieve the url of the HPL.dat generator, also, do you know a way to calculate memory usage according to the problem size ? thanks and sorry again.
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12:03<jclinton>klh, we have one on our site
12:03<jclinton>klh, a moment
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12:05<klh>thank you jclinton, Linpack provided by intel gives the exact memory usage according to the problem size but it is closed source...
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12:06<cryingtux>i installed lenny from the iso released on 17th aug, i have an issue with disk manager, it doesnt work
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12:06<cryingtux>how do i paste the error here? is not working anymore
12:07<klh>try this cryingtux
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12:08<cryingtux>klh : can you look at the error please?
12:09<cryingtux>the gui did not start at all, so i tried running from shell
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12:09<edbian>What type of packages is the "volatile" repo for?
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12:10<Cybodog>edbian, fast changing software like antivirus
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12:10<dpkg>methinks volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>.
12:11<edbian>Cybodog: Thanks
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12:12<cryingtux>Cybodog: can you tell me about the issue I have with the disk manager?
12:14<cahoot>cryingtux: you mean that apart from 'disk-manager' you have a working GUI desktop?
12:15<cahoot>cryingtux: out of curiosity: what's disk-manager supposed to be good for?
12:15<cryingtux>cahoot : this is disk manager package
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12:27<bja>Is there an easy one step way to make apache2 use ssl, or there is only the edit .... ?
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12:28<cryingtux>ok, disk-manager has bug, there is a long bug report history
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12:28<marcel>is iceweasel/firefox still hoggin alot of memory?
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12:29<Tekno>define a lot
12:29<ry60003333>Quick question; should I use apt-get or aptitude to update/upgrade packages?
12:29<Tekno>matter of taste
12:30<chiku>someone can help me about ldap?
12:30<bja>dpkg: tell chiku about ask
12:30<chiku>I have few entries inside an OU, how can I delete the OU without deleted all entries before?
12:30<marcel>Tekno: a lot == to much ;x
12:30<ry60003333>"W: The "upgrade" command is deprecated; use "safe-upgrade" instead."
12:31<Tekno>aptitude safe-upgrade
12:31<chiku>I don't want to delete all CN then delete the OU
12:31<ry60003333>Yeah thats what I'm going to do; just curious why asking dpkg about update tells you to use apt-get
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12:32<chiku>ldapdelete with something like recusive option :)
12:32<ml|>marcel: 3.5 does a much better job imho
12:33<themill>ry60003333: update doesn't matter, that's only downloading package files (although aptitude will also update debtags for you too if you want). Upgrade is a different story where the better dependency resolution of aptitude can be quite helpful
12:33<marcel>ml|: ty ill build ff 3.5 from source on lenny soon
12:33<ml|>btw, using iceweasel from experimental here
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12:34<chiku>erg, no problem I didn't see there is this option -r
12:34<chiku>just forget my question
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12:35<ml|>ry60003333: aptitude does a great job here :)
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12:36<edbian>What is a more powerful command than "killall" or "kill" ??
12:37<bja>well unplug the computer
12:37<bja>a 20 lbs sledge hammer is also more powerfull
12:38<themill>edbian: they do different things. man killall ; help kill
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12:38<edbian>I'll trying being more specific. killall opera is not killing opera
12:38<edbian>what else can I do?
12:38<edbian>"kill <opera's pid>" does not work either
12:39<bja>kill -9 `pidof opera`
12:39<bja>next option is the sledge hammer
12:39<ml|>-9 ftw
12:39<ml|>bja: heh ;P
12:39<bja>But if you decide to use the sledge hammer, don't forget the gogles
12:40<edbian>That did the trick!
12:40<edbian>kill -9 (not the sledge)
12:40<dpkg>Do not use kill -9 unless you have to, because using it will keep the process from cleaning up temp files, closing sockets, informing its childs about its death and other nasty things. use "kill -15 <PID>" or "kill -2 <PID>" instead If you didn't write the code, you probably don't want to use kill -9.
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12:42<ml|>themill: ok, did not that thanks
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12:43<bja>the standar signal of kill is -15 and -2 is slightly stronger, but opera when misbehaves it needs -9
12:43<ml|>tho, i've never had an issue with -9 or that i've noticed
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12:51<Stephen_greeneyes>hello. i try to install debian lenny with netinst cd. grub and lilo installation fail. what i can do for fix this?
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12:53<Stephen_greeneyes>(with expert, guiexpert and normal too)
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12:57<goodger>the aforementioned performance issue appears to have been caused by my NFS server running out of memory
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13:02<chealer>Stephen_greeneyes: where did you download from?
13:02<Stephen_greeneyes>chealer, ?
13:03<chealer>Stephen_greeneyes: did you download the CD's iso?
13:03<Stephen_greeneyes>from debian site
13:04<chealer>Stephen_greeneyes: from which URL?
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13:05<ml|>Stephen_greeneyes: did you verify the iso?
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13:05<Stephen_greeneyes>obviously: not.
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13:07<Stephen_greeneyes>but now, can i fix or i have to do windows-like format & reinstall?
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13:09<ml|>well, you try installing grub using a livecd or with a good debian install cd
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13:10<chealer>Stephen_greeneyes: how do they fail?
13:10<Stephen_greeneyes>ml|, live cd must do debian live or ubuntu is good as well?
13:10<Stephen_greeneyes>chealer, installation step failed: can't install grub, nor lilo
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13:11<ml|>Stephen_greeneyes: i think it's best to use debian cd's
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13:12<Stephen_greeneyes>holy pasta & fagioli! sigh :(
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13:12<Stephen_greeneyes>another precious cd :'(
13:12<ml|>are you telling the installer where to install grub?
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13:13<bja>Stephen_greeneyes: are you using any raid arrays on the box?
13:13<Stephen_greeneyes>bja, yes
13:13<chealer>Stephen_greeneyes: but how does it fail?
13:13<Stephen_greeneyes>adaptec raid 2110s
13:14<Stephen_greeneyes>chealer, is the last step of installation!
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13:14<Stephen_greeneyes>bja, is hardware raid
13:14<bja>Stephen_greeneyes: I've seen it before, i believe grub needs to be on mbr for it to work properly
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13:14<bja>but then again i'm no expert on the matter
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13:15<ml|>it's being a while, but the installer should ask where to install grub no?
13:15<chealer>Stephen_greeneyes: I don't understand what you mean. did you read the installation guide?
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13:15<Stephen_greeneyes>chealer, i use debian since 7 years. never had this problem before.
13:16<Stephen_greeneyes>ml|, no
13:16<ml|>Stephen_greeneyes: if you want to install the GRUB boot loader to the master boot record. Select "Yes." <--- is that what you did?
13:17<Stephen_greeneyes>ml|, no, installer don't ask me this.
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13:18<ml|>hmm, bad iso and/or burn maybe?
13:18<Stephen_greeneyes>ml|, don't think so. debian installer is more creative then windows one to make problems. and with this machine i have had several issues every version.
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13:22<Stephen_greeneyes>installer says: [!!] Install the GURB boot loader on a hard disk Installation step failed An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk <Continue>
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13:25<aschwabe>Does anybody know if it's possible to find a Lenny 5.0.0 release on the public mirrors?
13:25<aschwabe>It looks like it's been replaced with 5.0.02 across the board
13:25<ml|>Stephen_greeneyes: did you try and going back and trying to install grub again?
13:26<Stephen_greeneyes>ml|, done several times. i'm sick now.
13:26<Stephen_greeneyes>now i'm checking cd-rom integrity
13:26<Stephen_greeneyes>INTEGRITY TEST SUCCESFUL.
13:26<ml|>and check the iso to be sure all is alright
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13:27<bja>Stephen_greeneyes: I believe there is an isue between grup and raid, i just can't find the reference now
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13:27<Stephen_greeneyes>ml|, i have dinner now. come back later. thanks for now.
13:27<ml|>aschwabe: what's wrong with 5.0.2?
13:27<aschwabe>Apparently there were a number of changes to the installer kernel
13:27<bja>Stephen_greeneyes: bonne apetite
13:27<Stephen_greeneyes>bja, merci beaucoup
13:27<aschwabe>And our preseed partman raid stuff is now breaking
13:27<aschwabe>on 5.0.2
13:27<xeon-enouf>Stephen_greeneyes: hardware raid needs to be setup in it's BIOS
13:28<aschwabe>we want to regress against the previous release, but cannot find it available on the internet for a network install
13:28<ml|>Stephen_greeneyes: ok, might be a raid issue like bja said if iso checks out good luck
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13:30<bja>What is the difference between gpg and gpg2?
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13:31<aschwabe>This preseed code worked fine in Debian 5.0.0 Lenny but no longer in 5.0.2
13:31<xeon-enouf>bja: one version
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13:33<bja>xeon-enouf: besides gpg wanting to install xorg-common and gpg no doing so i don't get it
13:33<bja>xeon-enouf: besides gpg2 wanting to install xorg-common and gpg no doing so i don't get it
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13:36<themill>bja: look at the package descriptions; look at the man page for gpg2 in particular, and see also "aptitude why gnupg2 x11-common"
13:36<xeon-enouf>bja: Reccomends?
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13:37<chealer>bja: there is not necessarily a difference, but I suppose you're asking about the gnupg package's command and gnupg2's
13:37<themill>gpg2 is designed to be used by graphical environments according to its man page. Not surprising it would drag in x11-common in that case.
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13:39<bja>themill, chealer: thx for the info i was checking both manpages to find the differences
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13:39<themill>bja: paragraph 2 or man gpg2 is what you want.
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13:41<bja>themill: since i don't have gnupg2 installed, man gpg2 silently took me to man gpg :)
13:42<themill>that's a bit rude
13:43<chealer>indeed... $ man gpg2
13:43<chealer>No manual entry for gpg2
13:43<xeon-enouf>er ...many manpages take one to the same manpage
13:43<xeon-enouf>for ex; grep-*
13:44<themill>xeon-enouf: that's a bit different to taking you to the man page for a different tool in a different package
13:44<chealer>bja: I would report a bug
13:44<bja>themill: local error, fixed allready
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13:45<xeon-enouf>themill: i guess i misunderstand
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13:48<grummund>Are there any 'standard' ways for keeping system files, scripts, etc. in svn, or everyone just does their own thing?
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13:48<grummund>i probably don't want to keep the whole of /etc in svn, or do i?
13:49<grummund>also mainly this is to share some common files between servers
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13:52<themill>judd info etckeeper
13:52<judd>themill: etckeeper (admin): is optional; Version: 0.21; Size: 20.4k; Installed: 292k -- store /etc in git, mercurial, or bzr
13:52<themill>grummund: ^^ never used it but heard good things
13:55<grummund>themill: thanks. i'll take a look
13:56<grummund>guess i was also looking for a howto or blog from someone who's already been there
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14:04<grummund>i wonder why etchkeeper does not support svn, but it does git, bzr, and mercurial (none of which i use)
14:04<patrikf>because svn sucks?
14:04<grummund>it does?
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14:05<rudi_s>grummund: It does. I don't know the answer but I guess because Subversion creates a .svn directory in each directory it manages.
14:05<grummund>mail archive suggests that's probably the case ;-/
14:06<grummund>*search of
14:07<rudi_s>grummund: Give Git a try, it's IMHO much better than Subversion (I used both).
14:07<Stephen_greeneyes>come back.
14:07<Stephen_greeneyes>installer says: [!!] Install the GURB boot loader on a hard disk Installation step failed An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk <Continue>
14:07<Stephen_greeneyes>how can i fix this?
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14:08<Stephen_greeneyes>can i install grub with a live cd succesful?
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14:11<chealer>Stephen_greeneyes: did you check the installation guide?
14:11<Gun_Smoke>Stephen_greeneyes, Super Grub Disk is very useful.
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14:15<Stephen_greeneyes>chealer, i don't need installation guide!
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14:15<Stephen_greeneyes>Gun_Smoke, what?
14:16<Gun_Smoke><Stephen_greeneyes> can i install grub with a live cd succesful?
14:16<Gun_Smoke>Stephen_greeneyes, yes,
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14:17<Stephen_greeneyes>Gun_Smoke, ok thanks!
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14:38<dutche>does anybody knows if "dash" complains about the instruction "if [[ -n "$LC_ALL" ]]; then" (it's an Oracle shell script)....dash is saying that "[[: not found"
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14:39<themill>dutche: [[ is a bashism. You could use [ for that in dash though. /msg dpkg dash ; /msg dpkg bashism
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14:52<Gomer>Hi all! Anyone got "Vmware server 2" running with testing's new 2.6.30 kernel?
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14:58<ajhdk>hi there
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14:58<ajhdk>i was wondering if somebody could help me with a small problem?
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14:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:00<ajhdk>well i just installed lenny and have to install some nvidia drivers.. i need to kill X but when i do CTRL+ALT+Backspace or CTRL+ALT+F1 the desktop dissapear alright.. when i use backspace i can't get it back with CTRL+ALT+F7 (ofcourse) but the screen just goes dead.. well not totally dead - theres light but definately no virtual console
15:02<ajhdk>anyone have any idea what i'm to do?
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15:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:08<hortbort>FAQ 11.8 recommends dpkg-divert while Reference 3.5.12 says it shouldn't be used anymore. what gives? what's now recommended in the situation of FAQ 11.8?
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15:10<hortbort>ajhdk: investigate which distro the nvidia devs like most, and use that. better: don't buy nvidia
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15:11<ajhdk>yeah nvidia sucks a** but its my laptop
15:11<adama26>nvidia works great for me
15:12<ajhdk>well the funny thing is that i had debian before the HDD f*cked up and i had to change it... and it worked fine
15:12<ajhdk>but the thing is also that it isn't really nvidia's fault
15:12<ajhdk>i just have to enter a virtual console (CTRL+ALT+Fx) and that doesn't work
15:12<ajhdk>it just goes blank - with lighting
15:13<Nemoder>ajhdk: if your display is corrupted when X closes try removing your display manager (xdm/gdm) then reboot and login to console then reinstall it when you're done
15:14<ajhdk>ah okay i'll try that - thanks alot
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15:14<ajhdk>but its possible that its screwed even though its a clean installation?
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15:15<Nemoder>possibly depending on driver/hardware combination
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15:16<ajhdk>okay.. well i haven't installed any drivers my self yet though.. its a GeForce 8400M GTS as far as i remember - dont know if anybody have had any issues with it..
15:16<abraham>ajhdk, can you hit cntrl alt f1 and get to a console?
15:17<ajhdk>no thats the thing - thats what doesn't work
15:17<ajhdk>when i do it just goes blank with you know "brightness still on"
15:17<abraham>i have nvidia 9600gt and it works great
15:17<ajhdk>but if i do it i can press CTRL+ALT+F7 and get back..
15:17<ajhdk>my nvidia worked fine before my HDD crashed and i had to replace it
15:18<zem_>try something like vga=791 in grub (if you have grub)
15:18<ajhdk>and i've tried installing xubuntu and it has no problem at all
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15:18<ajhdk>it seems like the debian image im using is a little bit screwy - though the checksum checks out
15:18<Nemoder>yeah it might be trying to use framebuffer to draw console and having problems conflicting with nv driver
15:19<ajhdk>but i haven't installed the nvidia driver yet
15:19<Nemoder>X ships with some drivers
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15:19<Nemoder>must be using either nv or vesa
15:19<abraham>ajhdk, i had problems with my 8600gt but i could at least get to console
15:19<ajhdk>i usually do CTRL+ALT+F1; su -c '/etc/init.d/gdm stop'; <run the binary from nvidia>; it works - restarts and no problems
15:19<ajhdk>but first step fails
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15:20<ajhdk>yeah the weird thing is - it can't possibly be my card when no driver is used for it yet.. right?
15:20<Nemoder>ajhdk: there IS a driver being used
15:20<Gold24>ajhdk: boot up in single user mode
15:20<Nemoder>ajhdk: it's just the non accelerated open source nv driver instead of proprietary nvidia one
15:20<ajhdk>and i even tried changing the HDD to an exact new HDD to the last one which crashed - even though i doubted it would help i tried - and no change - still can't get into console
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15:21<ajhdk>i see
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15:21<ajhdk>ehm.. im sort of a newbie so.. how exactly do i boot up single user? does it show in the boot menu?
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15:24<Gold24>if you use grub as boot loader: under the default one that is selected when you boot up there is an option similiar to this Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.30-1-amd64 (single-user mode)
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15:24<Gold24>choose that instead with the arrow keys
15:24<ajhdk>yeah grub
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15:24<ajhdk>okay will try :)
15:25<ajhdk>i'll be back if it doesn't work lol :)
15:25<ajhdk>thanks for the help everyone
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15:59<dinamic>is there any germanite tool for debian use?
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16:04*hortbort thinks the technology for converting germanite to software isn't ready yet
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16:15<dinamic>anyone here have some knowledge about tasksel and custom tasks?
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16:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:16<dinamic>thx bja :)
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16:17<dinamic>So this is my problem, im trying to make an custom task mytasks.desc with actually two tasks defined within, anyway when im testing it using tasksel only one of the shows up, how is that?
16:18<themill>dinamic: perhaps pastebin your desc file
16:18<dinamic>themill, where can i do that?
16:18<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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16:19<dinamic>my task description:
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16:20<dinamic>now i see-...
16:20<dinamic>an typo
16:20<bja>!win dinamic
16:20<dpkg>Congratulations, dinamic! You have won the US presidency!
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16:21*dinamic *bows* for the gratz
16:21<themill>dinamic: you may also like to "apt-get source tasksel" as the best (only!) documentation I've ever found on the desc files is in there
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16:22<dinamic>themill, thx, i was glimpsing on the tasksel script itself..
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16:22<dpkg>it has been said that utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand.
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16:28<dinamic>themill, thanx for the source tip. alot of goodies in there..
16:28<themill>indeed. Happy hunting!
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16:30<dinamic>themill, never tried but could i leave "Key:" out of the stanza to remove all dependencies? or how to do that?
16:30<themill>you know as much as me about this at this stage....
16:31<dinamic>themill, ah ok, let trial and error.. thx anyway..
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16:42<dre360>does anyone know of a link for the kernel 2.6.30 update patch
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16:51<Chrono>Hey guys, how to compile fglrx from source?
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16:53<Chrono>source from Squeeze Repositories
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17:05<kristianpaul>i need help, how i can remove a package from the dpkg database
17:06<kristianpaul>i already delete it from files, but still on dpkg --list
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17:10<dpkg>it has been said that dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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17:11<dpkg>methinks purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files.
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17:13<kristianpaul>themill: but i already delete all the files wich the package install
17:14<kristianpaul>one by one
17:14<themill>that's not the same
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17:14<kristianpaul>i justt need delete from dpkg database oe whatever is equivalent
17:15<kristianpaul>themill: it was a mistake i know
17:15<themill>which is one of the things that purge does...
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17:16<kristianpaul>themill: but what can i do??
17:18<themill>purge the package
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17:20<kristianpaul>themill: no luck, look
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17:22<themill>kristianpaul: where's this xulrunner-1.9.2 package from? it's not in debian that I can find
17:23<kristianpaul>themill: i said it was a mistake, was a ppa from launchpad
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17:24<themill>urgh. You could try reinstalling the package and then purging. That might be more successful
17:26<craigevil>there is xulrunner- in exp but no 1.9.2
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17:29<kristianpaul>themill: i know, but i dont remenber from where came from xD
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17:51<alexelprogramador>hola a todos
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17:52<alexelprogramador>hi all
17:52<alexelprogramador>someone there=
17:52<dinamic>hi there
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17:52<alexelprogramador>another debian user?
17:53<dinamic>sort of..
17:53<alexelprogramador>are you a debian user?
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17:53<alexelprogramador>or you prefew other distributions
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17:54<dinamic>my workstations are ubuntu, and my servers are debian
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17:55<alexelprogramador>the best choice for workstations are derivates of main distributiones
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17:55<alexelprogramador>im with you
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17:56*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
17:56<MyWifeIs19>are there any web browser that will display 2 pages side by side?
17:56<Hideo>sorry, I thought the best choice of bloat are the derivatives
17:56*Hideo is already in #debian-offtopic =P
17:56<dinamic>hideo, i agree, but its only a workstation :)
17:57*dinamic turn back to topic...
17:57<alexelprogramador><MyWifeIs19 , firefox does it...
17:57<themill>MyWifeIs19: konqueror can
17:58<MyWifeIs19>whats the keyword I should look up for?
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17:59<themill>MyWifeIs19: Window -> Split view (in konqueror)
17:59<alexelprogramador>control + T
17:59<alexelprogramador>dont stand the control key and then press T button
17:59<themill>alexelprogramador: tabs aren't exactly "side by side"
18:00<Hideo>there is an addon for "side by side" in ff I believe, but don't remember the name
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18:00<Hideo>probably should google for it
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18:04<Chrono>Guys, i need help... Im using Squeeze amd64, with a ATI X1200 (now its legacy, driver 9.3), but after full-upgrade fglrx stopped working on 2.6.26-1
18:04<Chrono>but before it worked perfectly
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18:05<AbsintheSyringe>since there's no more xorg.conf, one question, where is my "new" xorg.conf, where is that read from?
18:05<AbsintheSyringe>where is it placed?
18:05<Chrono>well Xorg.conf stay on /etc/X11. You dont need it, but you can create it to apply some changes
18:06<alexelprogramador>Chrono the best choice is find it in google
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18:06<cahoot>AbsintheSyringe: xorgs autodetection + HAL AIUI
18:07<Chrono>alexelprogramador i have done it...
18:07<AbsintheSyringe>cahoot, I know, but does it read from some location or ... I'm just trying to figure out, how exactly it all works now
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18:08<kristianpaul>themill: bingo i found it finally, and now si gone forever (xulrunner-1.9.2) !
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18:09<Chrono>can anyone help?
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18:10<azraelru>Hi all. How I can append a file to the mail utility?
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18:16<dinamic>what is best practice: Im creating a customized debian distrobution, the customization is packaed into MYDIST-common and this depends on several packages, but i dont want them to be defined into this control file... i want this common package to pre-depend on MYDIST-core packages that does depends on alot of packages how do i actually define this MYDIST-core package deplyment wise, an empty deb package with just a con
18:16<dinamic>trol file ?
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18:17<dinamic>Can a package pre-depend on a task? ^mydist-core ?
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18:35<blendmaster1024>hi all, i have a problem with my laptop. i just installed debian on it, and when i booted, the resolution was bigger than the screen.
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18:36<blendmaster1024>(it's on a dock.)
18:36<ml|>blendmaster1024: tty resolution?
18:36<blendmaster1024>no, gdm
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18:37<blendmaster1024>i finnaly figured out that it has both the laptop and the dock screen turned on...
18:37<blendmaster1024>and it has the laptop screen at a higher res than then dock's screen.
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18:38<blendmaster1024>so, i got grandr. it's easy to fix with that. but that's a dumb hack, i have to do it every time i restart
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18:38<blendmaster1024>what i'd like is that when it's in the dock, it automatically sets the correct res for the dock screen, and when it is/gets undocked, it changes the res to one for tha laptop screen.
18:39<blendmaster1024>oh, and it has a ati mobility radeon.
18:39<blendmaster1024>now that i've flooded the channel... any ideas?
18:40<azeem>blendmaster1024: huh?
18:40<blendmaster1024>huh what?
18:40<blendmaster1024>what doesn't make sense?
18:41<azeem>you flooded the channel with that CTCP ping after you said that
18:41<azeem>at least according to my client
18:41<Hideo>blendmaster1024: your sense of entitlement doesn't make sense
18:41<blendmaster1024>i'm confused
18:41<azeem>00:39 < blendmaster1024> now that i've flooded the channel... any ideas?
18:41<azeem>00:40 blendmaster1024 [] requested CTCP PING from #debian: 2484154092
18:41<blendmaster1024>sorry for the ctcp thing, i didn't realize that was what /ping does
18:42<blendmaster1024>i thought only i could see it, i was checking if i was still connected
18:42<ml|>same here.. 18:40:28 blendmaster1024 [] requested CTCP PING from #debian: 2484154092
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18:44<blendmaster1024>eeenyway, any ideas on the res thing? how could i change res when i undock?
18:44<ml|>don't use it but i think what you need to do is setup Xinerama for that to work?
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18:54<hermano>ubuntu brasil?
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18:54<azeem>hermano: #ubuntu
18:55<hermano>big linux??
18:56<hermano>big linux brasil???
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19:26<Chronos>Need Help. Fglrx 9.3 dont works anymore on Debian Squeeze amd64 2.6.26-1
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19:26<bja>judd: kernels
19:26<judd>bja: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14136); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-5~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
19:27<bja>Chronos: I believe you have first to upgrade your kernel
19:27<Chronos>i have two of the kernels... 2.6.26 and 2.6.30
19:28<Chronos>in both fglrx 9.3 dont works... neither ati-installer neither repositories
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19:33<quicksilver>hello, linux has some link or connection with playstation 2 and 3?
19:33<adb>sure , see google
19:33<Chronos>rumors say that you can run Linux on PS3... i dont really know
19:34<Chronos>can anyone help me?
19:34<quicksilver>wow, ok thanks
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19:36<Chronos>bja, about upgrade kernel .I have 2.6.30-1. And now?
19:38<bja>quicksilver: take a look at yellowdog linux it runs on playstation3
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19:38<bja>Chronos: i know that there is trouble with fglrx, and people here are fixing it on the .30 kernel i just can't help you because i don't use it
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19:40<quicksilver>Ok I'm watching on youtube now. It's cool. XD
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19:40<Chronos>bja, but fglrx stopped working on 2.6.26-1 too
19:40<ml|>ah, was about to ask that
19:41<Chronos>its ok dont work on .30. but it was working on .26 ...
19:41<Chronos>after upgrade, it stopped working
19:42<ml|>did you upgrade fglrx also?
19:43<quicksilver>I do not know if I have the 2.6.26 kernel as it is possible that I upgrade to 30? I am always updating
19:43<ml|>quicksilver: using lenny?
19:43<ml|>quicksilver: /msg dpkg bpo
19:45<quicksilver>ml, which kernel are you?
19:45<Chronos>ml| no, it was installed by ati-installer
19:45<quicksilver>and distribution
19:46<ml|>squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-5) but mainly use a custom kernel
19:47<ml|>judd: kernel
19:47<judd>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14136); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-5~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
19:48<quicksilver>chornos: If you installed the drivers for ATI video cards will not activate update kernel. I do not work with the update.
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19:49<quicksilver>Best I stay with my kernel before the damage . . .
19:49<ml|>Chronos: don't use ati, but i think you would need a newer version from ati?
19:49<ml|>quicksilver: damage how, your old kernel will still be there
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19:50<Chronos>ml| i have a legacy...
19:51<Chronos>ml| my last version is 9.3. after that my card isnt suported
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19:52<quicksilver>I thought that erased automatically after update
19:52<ml|>Chronos: ok, was just an idea, maybe someone here can help, good luck
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19:53<dli>Chronos, does nouveau work for you?
19:54<ml|>nouveau is for nvidia only iirc
19:54<quicksilver>chronos: you installed the drivers for video cards (since it gives you the ati website)?
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19:58<Chronos>quicksilver the drivers was working yesterday, downloaded on Website... now it just prints a white flashing screen qhen logs on X
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19:59<Chronos>isnt nouveau for nvidia?
20:00<quicksilver>you got a back up of xorg.conf?
20:00<Chronos>yes... i build a xorg.conf by myself
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20:04<quicksilver>I can not think of another idea or way Chronos. For me the problem with some ati.
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20:06<quicksilver>it replaced and did not work, right?
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20:11<chealer>Chronos: it is
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20:12<quicksilver>should be taking cafe ... jaja
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20:15<dli>Chronos, sorry, my bad, ati is easier, open source driver should support r300+
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20:16<Chronos>yes, but it uses a lot of processor... and then i use the card i really need the processor
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20:18<dli>Chronos, yes, I noticed that too, with my r500 card
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20:25<quicksilver>chronos: You need graphics acceleration. . . ?
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20:30<digifor>Why would my gnome and lxde icons have diagonal black stripes running throught them.
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20:47<bja>I want to run apache on a chroot jail i believe i have to alter the init.d script anyone knows of any docs which can help?
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20:56<arw1>bja: my bookmark
20:57<bja>arw1: thx
20:57<arw1>bja: the second one
20:57<arw1>i do not have more
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23:53<Steven_JM>hi all
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23:54<Steven_M>my question is here:
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