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---Logopened Thu Aug 20 00:00:01 2009
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01:05<Chipdancer>I upgraded openldap and had a heap of things to do to get it to work correctly. Now that this is done, how do I clear the partially-configured status in dpkg without it trying to run the postinstall scripts and eventually failing? (probably due to the chrooted installation I'm running)
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01:07<jm_>you don't, you address the issues in postinst
01:07<Chipdancer>that's annoying
01:08<Chipdancer> Directory /var/lib/ldap for dc=ourdomain,dc=com not empty, aborting.
01:09<Chipdancer>that's where it's failing.. is there a way to see what the postinst scripts are trying to do? (they probably can't function correctly on our config)
01:09<Chipdancer>part of the issue is possibly that /var/lib/ldap is a symlink to the chrooted environment
01:09<jm_>most of them are shell scripts, so simply put "set -x" as 2nd line
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01:11<Chipdancer>so how do I find out where this postinst shell script is?
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01:22<vortek>I have the sid distro, and I need ndiswrappers , what should i select on for the distro?
01:22<jm_>you're using sid and you don't know that?
01:23<vortek>i havent been on my comp in 3 years sorry
01:23<vortek>i forgot lots of info
01:23<Bunnyh>I guess the attitude here is that if you're running sid, you should know how to do everything yourself...
01:23<jm_>you really shouldn't use sid until you're very familiar with Debian
01:24<jm_>but why use p.d.o? simply use apt to download it
01:24<vortek>true, but my card isnt native supported
01:25<vortek>What should i select unstable?
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01:25<vortek>ahh my noggin aint to dusty then
01:25<jm_>right I get it, you want to get packages for it on the machine so apt will work
01:25<jm_>which card is it?
01:26<dpkg>rumour has it, pic is position independent code
01:26<dpkg>rumour has it, pci is (Peripheral Connect Interface) This interface was designed to supplant the VL-Bus architecture and provide a standard slot with a reduced size for high-speed peripherals. It normally runs at 33 MHz on a PC, but can run faster. PCI slots are 32-bit slots on Intel systems, but the spec allows for 64-bit, like EISA or VL-BUS, but in a compact form factor. See <pciids>, <pci-e>, <pci-x>.
01:26*kerneld wonders why PCI Nessus scans are so dumb
01:28<dserban>is ia32-apt-get done? Doesn't seem like it's in the repository anymore.
01:29<vortek>1370 wireless dell
01:30<vortek>dell wireless 1370
01:31<jm_>that has a driver IIRC, let's see
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01:34<jm_>it has a broadcom chip, right?
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01:35<vortek>not sure
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01:36<vortek>that says not to use it
01:36<vortek>but i will do whats necesary
01:39<jm_>bcm4318 is supported by the b43 driver
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01:40<jm_>if you have that see this instead
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02:09<dondelelcaro>craigevil: yeah, I wouldn't have banned you if you didn't have auto rejoin enabled.
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02:14<paul_nm>i need help :S
02:14<jm_>consult local gipsy woman
02:15<paul_nm>local gipsy woman?
02:15<jm_>yup, I hear they have mind reading skills
02:16<paul_nm>how can i consult they?
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02:19<kerneld>gypsy consultations
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02:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
02:22<paul_nm>welll i had a problem compiling my nvidia drivers with the kernel
02:23<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
02:23<paul_nm>i have ubuntu
02:23<jm_>!tell paul_nm -about ubuntu
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02:32<paul_nm>does someone knows the debian server for latin american's??
02:32<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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02:32<jm_>but don't ask about ubuntu in there
02:32<jm_>and read what dpkg has to say about smart questions
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02:40<craigevil>dondelelcaro: i removed the script it was away_hilight it was only supposed to send whoever messaged me my away status not the channels
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02:41<olegb>how do I enable "mouseclick" on my laptops touchpad? I have added Option "TapButton1" "1" to xorg.conf to not avail. I am using debian unstable.
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02:48<twb>olegb: first of all, you probably need to be using the synaptics driver instead of the ps/2 one
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02:52<olegb>twb, thanks. do you have an URL to some documentation on this ?
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02:54<twb>Dunno, man 5 synaptics?
02:54<twb>I don't use X, so I don't really remember.
02:54<twb>I'm also assuming, of course, that you actually have a synaptics touchpad -- most are.
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02:56<olegb>twb, thanks - i think you got me on the right track. I'll just restart X11 to see if this works :-)
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02:57<twb>In my next lesson: running irssi in screen
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03:12<tarzeau>is something wrong with the security update? it says:
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03:12<tarzeau> Depends: perl (>= 5.10.0-24) but 5.10.0-19 is to be installed
03:12<tarzeau>E: Broken packages
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03:12<tarzeau>for libpurple0 pidgin
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03:14<jm_>tarzeau: which one does? both depend on >= 5.10.0-19 here
03:14<tarzeau>strange, then the swiss mirror must be screwed up or the security mirror of ours
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03:17<olegb>hum, installing the gsynaptics package and running the touchpad setting gave me touchpad click - w00h
03:19<twb>tarzeau: are you tracking volatile.d.o?
03:20<twb>pidgin/purple has the massive suck AFAIK, allegedly due to AOL
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03:23<tarzeau>twb: no
03:23<tarzeau>twb: i don't even use pidgin
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03:31<olegb>ups, sorry
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03:36<candelaresi>i have to do modprove
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03:37<candelaresi>but modprobe: command not found
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04:34<twb># ls -ld /etc/ssl/private
04:34<twb>drwx--x--- 2 root ssl-cert 4096 2009-07-13 17:38 /etc/ssl/private
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04:35<twb>...I am running into a problem where openldap can't read a file in that dir.
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04:35<twb>Is that the permissions and ownership that dir is SUPPOSED to have? Or has my box become broken sometime?
04:35<twb>On another box, it's 700 root:root
04:36<jm_>(perms are ok)
04:36<twb>The bug is #416272
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04:37<twb>I don't understand fully how to resolve it, and I don't want to just guess in case I make it too permissive
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04:37<twb>Obviously making private/ world-readable would be super wrong
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04:45<ansgar>twb: I did chmod a+x /etc/ssl/private on my LDAP server.
04:45<twb>For now, I just put the keys in /tmp and chmod 400 and chown openldap:openldap them, and it's still borking at me :-/
04:45<twb>Stupid za knockoff
04:46<Supaplex>blame selinux ;)
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04:46<twb>Wouldn't bloody surprise me
04:47<locklace>!blame selinux
04:47*dpkg blames sebash and selinux for the end of the world as we know it
04:48<Supaplex>hahaha nice.
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04:53<RichiH>craigevil: fwiw, away_hilight is not supposed to do anything besides send a notice to whoever highlighted you
04:53<RichiH>craigevil: maybe your version is broken
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04:56<twb>So, cards on the table: the box in question was a hardy box, and it turns out that once filesystem permission are resolved, apparmour still gets in the way. If I kill that off, slapd at least starts up again.
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05:07<twb>Given a MAC address, how do I find the manufacturer?
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05:09<[machine]>twb: various tools in debian ship with the database
05:09<[machine]>arp-scan for one
05:09<twb>[machine]: yeah, I just can never remember which ones do
05:09<[machine]>well, arp-scan does... since i am the maintainer i am sure of that :)
05:10<[machine]>it also contains a shell script to get the latest
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05:10<twb>That site doesn't seem to know who makes 00:24:21:9A:62:A7
05:11<petemc>002421 MICRO-STAR INT'L CO., LTD.
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05:11<matador>hi all
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05:11<twb>That means it's the one I expect, and not a rogue. Hooray, time to allow it to DHCP
05:13<matador>i have one problem. during boot xen on debian, my sda and sdb are changed. in BIOS all is set. sda is ide and sdb sata hdd. how can i solve this?
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05:14<twb>matador: if either sata or pata are kernel modules, you could control their load order.
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05:14<twb>matador: but in general, you cannot rely on disks continuing to get the same name. This is why udev exists, and referring to filesystems by UUID in /etc/fstab
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05:20<wdstudio>anyone know if there is any irc on python?
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05:21<petemc>wdstudio: probably the busiest channel would be #python on freenode
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05:25<FilipeMaia>What's the easiest way to setup a server that can install machines using tftp? Is there any good guide to read?
05:25<the-dude>FilipeMaia: checkout fai
05:26<FilipeMaia>the-dude, yea that was my idea. Should i just google or is there any known gem i should look into?
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05:27<jm_>even installation manual explains how to configure things for machine to be used for netboot - let alone other docs.
05:28<the-dude>FilipeMaia: its included in Debian and comes with samples and documentation :)
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05:29<FilipeMaia>jm_, yes i know how to netboot the problem is the installation.
05:29<FilipeMaia>the-dude, i'll check the fai docs then, many thanks
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05:31<matador>twb: i made this, by UUID. can you said me how can i control their load order?
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05:32<FilipeMaia>matador, edit your grub configuration and replace the hard drive device by the UUID
05:33<FilipeMaia>matador, like kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=UUID=317922a2-cc1d-46ca-a788-e14
05:33<FilipeMaia>1f017731a ro
05:34<matador>FilipeMaia: i made this. the problem is other. second drive is crypted and i mount it using script
05:34<matador>cryptsetup -y xen /dev/sdb1
05:35<matador>that is why i need permanent names
05:35<matador>for hdd drives
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05:35<jm_>you can add udev rules thta add a symlink for given device
05:35<FilipeMaia>matador, you can use mount with UUID
05:35<matador>cryptsetup will work with UUID?
05:36<FilipeMaia>matador, i don't know, but it might
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05:36<jm_>or use files in /dev/disk/by-id
05:36<FilipeMaia> /dev/disk/by-uuid/ actually
05:36<FilipeMaia>but that should work for sure
05:37<jm_>no I mentioned by-id intentionally
05:37<matador>thank :)
05:37<jm_>because I find it more meaningfull than uuid
05:37<matador>i'll try both methods :0
05:37<jm_>plus it also has symlinks for partitions
05:38<FilipeMaia>jm_, on my system i don't have by-id. Does it also correspond to uuid/
05:38<jm_>and whole device
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05:38<jm_>FilipeMaia: interesting - it might be it's only available in newer kernels then
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05:38<FilipeMaia>Could be i'm still running etch
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05:39<FilipeMaia>It exists on my sid machine
05:39<jm_>our etch machine with 2.6.24 has it, must be kernel version
05:40<FilipeMaia>Yea i'm still 2.6.18
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06:16<matador>FilipeMaia, jm_: thank you :) in fstab i mount using by UUID, cryptsetup work fine using /dev/disk/by-id :)
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06:29<SammyTheSnake>hi, guys/girls, can anyone here recommend a java decompiler? AFAICS, debian doesn't currently package one...
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06:30<dr|z3d>Try Eclipse, SammyTheSnake
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06:31<SammyTheSnake>dr|z3d: eclipse? isn't that an IDE? does it do decompilation too?
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06:31<dr|z3d>SammyTheSnake: Yes and you'd have to investigate.
06:31<SammyTheSnake>dr|z3d: I'm doing that right now
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07:02<Paul1959>I'm trying to install a program (on Lenny) - if I try to execute the installer as my usual user it starts then tells me i need to be root. if I try it from a root terminal the shell compalins it can't execute the binary. Why is that please? I found an article to add a 'run as root' to the gnome context menus but it seems a long way round!
07:02<cahoot>Paul1959: what are you trying to install in this mode?
07:03<Paul1959>it's OpenBravo POS - specific Debian package
07:04<cahoot>not avialable as .deb in spite of it being 'specific Debian package'?
07:04<Staver>hi there i've install debian on old mashine, max resolution is 640x480, on X server monitor says out of range, xorg.conf is empty
07:04<jm_>also try "file foo" where foo is path to the installer binary
07:04<Paul1959>haven't checked yet...but thought the newer version may not be available as a .deb
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07:05<Paul1959>jm what does that do?
07:05<jm_>Paul1959: it will tell you what kind of file it is
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07:05<Paul1959>ah, well it's a binary for sure as it starts the splash screen as normal user
07:06<jm_>probably means it can't connect to X server as root then
07:06<jm_>!tell Paul1959 -about sux
07:06<jm_>!tell Paul1959 -about runstuffasroot
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07:08<Staver>hi there i've install debian on old mashine, max resolution is 640x480, on X server monitor says out of range, xorg.conf is empty* how to set resolution on 640x480
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07:09<jm_>you will need to write xorg.conf manually if defaults don't work
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07:10<Staver>ok i'll ^_^ how to get info about my hardware
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07:12<Staver>videocard for exampe it is build in and i have no info about thet
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07:13<cahoot>try X --configure?
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07:14<Staver>thx will be back 5 mun )
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07:21<Paul1959>jm_ that sux wrapper looks as convoluted as the other method I found ( is there no other way without installing additional stuff?
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07:23<Paul1959>sorry, I mised that !tell.... reading
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07:32<jm_>Paul1959: it's packaged in debian, why bother with something else?
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07:35<Staver>so #X -configure did't help x-server alrady runing
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07:35<Paul1959>jm_, you mean sux? I searched synaptic again for the application, not found
07:35<Staver>where it get settings?
07:35<jm_>Paul1959: yup
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07:36<Paul1959>yes I've installed that now, just learning to use it!
07:36<jm_>Paul1959: the package is available in etch, lenny, testing and unstable
07:36<jm_>Staale: check your X logfile - it queries the monitor via DDC normally
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07:39<Staver>ok i think may help shut down x server and reconfigure it
07:39<Staver>how to start it i know :) but how to stop it?
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07:40<Staver>where is x logfile
07:43<jm_>does it start at boot? if so /msg dpkg nodm -- /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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07:49*aprilhare downloaded debian-live cd lenny (5.01) and wants to install it to hdd. how can I do this purely from booting from cd?
07:49<petemc>!debian live
07:49<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. #debian-live on OFTC ( Note that the live-cd doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>).
07:49<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a UNIX/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. Be aware that debootstrap can't include packages involving non-required Pre-Depends (e.g. `--include=linux-image-686' will fail), see #487908 in the <BTS>.
07:50<petemc>if you're not that familiar with debian or linux, you might find debootstrap hard work
07:50<petemc>easier to grab a 100 meg netinst cd
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07:51<aprilhare>part of the problem with doing a debian install is guessing what to install. how do i make the packages on live cd match the debian install?
07:51<Nemoder>I'm running 64bit debian testing and none of my 32bit binaries can find the installed 32bit libs, did something change recently that might have broken this?
07:51<aprilhare>vice versa even
07:51<petemc>aprilhare: the normal debian installer offers you an easy way to install groups of packages for 'Desktop' , 'Mail Server' etc
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07:52<aprilhare>petemc: is there a group that matches the live cd packages though?
07:53<petemc>there are ways to get a package list from the live cd tho, and you can use that to select the packages you want on your normal install
07:53<petemc> /msg dpkg aptitude clone
07:53<aprilhare>that sounds more like what i want
07:53<aprilhare>thanks :)
07:54<aprilhare>some sort of installer should be put on the cd though. it seems the obvious use for a live cd normally.
07:54<petemc>im sure the debian live team would gladly accept a patch from you
07:55<aprilhare>i am not worthy :) but is there another who is worthy?
07:55<petemc>you would have to think so
07:55<petemc>whether they have the time of the motivation is another thing
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07:56<aprilhare>they have the motivation to make a live cd but not the time? seems somehow disappointing
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07:57<petemc>how much of your time do you volunteer to do work for other people for free?
07:57<panthera>aprilhare: this has been already dealt with extensively. and check the manual about including debian-installer w/ or w/o live-installer.
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07:59<panthera>petemc: rather than argueing about an already implemented thing, he should be thought how to optain information judging people.
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07:59<panthera>e.g. reading documentation that i linked from the projects homepage.
08:01<jm_>it's in chapter 6 in the manual
08:02<aprilhare>yes i know. clear as mud.
08:03*aprilhare is of limited knowledge when it comes to debian
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08:08<Nemoder>I guess I missed the memo on the /emul -> /usr/lib32 transition
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08:09<jm_>lucky us who use 32bit releases on 64bit CPU-s, we avoid so many problems ;)
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08:10<Paul1959>jm_, this sux has got me beat :( I open a terminal as user'paul' and export .xauthority. i do sux and give my root password all seems correct. i try to run the installer and it still says cannot execute binary file :(
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08:12<jm_>Paul1959: (you don't need to export anything) - how about 'LD_DEBUG=libs installer'?
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08:13<Paul1959>sorry, i dont know what that means!
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08:14<jm_>run command like so: LD_DEBUG=libs ../path/to/installer/installer
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08:14<jm_>.. should be ...
08:14<Paul1959>ok i'll try that
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08:16<Paul1959>command not found
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08:16<Paul1959>grrrrr & lol
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08:17<jm_>what exactly did you type?
08:18<Paul1959>LD_DEBUG=libs ./pos.bin
08:18<jm_>ok run 'file pos.bin'
08:18<Paul1959><_runs back to other machine to check that
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08:20<Paul1959>ELF 32 bit lsb intel 386gnu linux statically linked stripped is the long and short of it
08:20<Paul1959>(did that from memory)
08:20<jm_>right so that's why LD_DEBUG method doesn't work, it's statically linked
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08:26<Paul1959>er....ok, I take it thats something to do with exe and library linking? no matter it doesn't help with the problem. odd that it will start to run as regular user though
08:27<jm_>to be honest I have no idea why this would run for user but not for root - are you using debian's kernel?
08:27<jm_>it's not something unusual either
08:27<jm_>heck I wonder if busybox-static would work then
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08:28<Paul1959>it's a virgin net install of lenny - the only thing i added was JRE and this sux
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08:29<Paul1959>i mean 'sux' not 'this sux' btw ;)
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08:30<Paul1959>i take it there is no way to log in to X as root?
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08:31<jm_>why wouldn't there be?
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08:32<jm_>but I doubt that will change anything
08:32<Paul1959>well i cant log in via the usual screen, so can i startx or something from a terminal
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08:32<jm_>yeah just go to a tty and do 'start -- :1' as root if you think that's OK for you
08:32<jm_>startx even
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08:34<error0327>is there any way to cancel the rolling between windows when the mouse on the kde4 panel
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08:37<error0327>is any one understand my question ? and can answer it ?
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08:37<petemc>there is a debian-kde channel
08:37<petemc> #debian-kde , not sure if its this network or freenode
08:38<error0327>ok thanks
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08:43<Paul1959>jm_, didn't get that far, something very odd is happening. tried to run pos.bin as user paul but doesn't start at all now! try to open terminal window, get 'timer' cursor then nothing happens. reboot methinks
08:44<padski>I have a PTP camera. when I plug it in by usb I see nodes under /dev/ with root:root permissions and apps say 'could not claim the USB device'. Do I need to change something under /etc/udev ?
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08:44<jm_>Paul1959: hmm check if dmesg works
08:45<jm_>padski: /usr/share/doc/libgphoto2-2/README.Debian
08:45<jm_>it says it should work if you are in group plugdev
08:46<padski>jm_, thanks
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08:52<Paul1959>rebooted, try to run as normal user, works as before...splash then language dialog then 'need to be root' error.
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08:55<kop>Paul1959: You could check the bug report database....
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09:09<Paul1959>ok thanks & thanks jm_ for trying gotta go!
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09:18<tarzeau>does anyone deploy debian workstations at his workplace, using network install+preseeding?
09:18*arw hello folks
09:18<koollman>tarzeau: I do, but not with the debian installer
09:19<ansgar>tarzeau: We use FAI here.
09:19<tarzeau>i'm looking for help on improving:
09:19<tarzeau>koollman: also FAI?
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09:20<koollman>no ... bunch of internally developped scripts doing a similar job
09:20<tarzeau>koollman: not the implementation, but the technics, and stuff?
09:21<the-dude>fai+cfengine or puppet
09:22<koollman>tarzeau: yes. we used fai before. but replaced it when we needed to maintain more images of other distributions
09:22<weasel>tarzeau: yes. it's easy.
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09:22<tarzeau>weasel: not really
09:22<weasel>yes, really.
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09:23<tarzeau>still struggling with (one example of many):
09:23<tarzeau>and that alacarte/gnome is so broken in lenny, that you still can't have your own menu for your workplace specific stuff
09:23<weasel>what does that have to do with installing workstations?
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09:23<weasel>or preseeding.
09:23<tarzeau>weasel: deployment means to me, not just installing it, forgetting it
09:24<tarzeau>weasel: also means, well adding special software not in debian. preconfiguring it for the users needs
09:24<weasel>install with d-i pressed, have that install puppet, puppet does the rest.
09:24<weasel>or use cfengine instead of puppet or anything
09:24<weasel>so maybe in short, you asked the wrong questions.
09:24<tarzeau>weasel: does cfengine or puppet fix the url problem with firefox/thunderbird? or the gnome menu?
09:25<weasel>Thu 15:18:23 <tarzeau> does anyone deploy debian workstations at his workplace, using network install+preseeding?
09:25<weasel>what does that have to do with "network install+preseeding"
09:25<tarzeau>yes the question was incomplete, i agree
09:25<weasel>have a nice day.
09:25<tarzeau>weasel: my idea was to configure many workstations for many users, from a central place
09:25<tarzeau>not like running from one machine to the other, for every useraccount configuring those individually
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09:29<koollman>tarzeau: I don't really see the difficulty of the 'user' part. you have automatically installed machines, which is a perfect env for having a centralized home server
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09:29<tarzeau>koollman: we do have that. that's not the problem
09:29<the-dude>tarzeau: thats why you might use ldap as a backend ;)
09:29<koollman>tarzeau: so what is the problem ?
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09:30<tarzeau>koollman: the problem is that many different software, is configured in many different ways, or not at all (or not easily) system wide for all users
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09:30<tarzeau>koollman: without fiddling with the home of the user. or when, in our case, we have the same home directory for logins to linux, windows and mac os x
09:30<the-dude>fine tune that software with puppet of cfengine
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09:31<tarzeau>koollman: where one software writes its config files in one place, like on other systems, but is not compatible with the other. or at different places, so it needs be configured multiple times
09:31<tarzeau>koollman: mozilla is the problem. and gnome.
09:31<tarzeau>koollman: can you open thunderbird (or icedove), click on a url in a mail, and it opens in firefox (or iceweasel)?
09:31<tarzeau>koollman: can you insert an own menu into gnome?
09:31<the-dude>yeah why not ?
09:32<tarzeau>because of the bugreport i mentioned above?
09:32<tarzeau>15:23 < tarzeau> still struggling with (one example of many):
09:32<tarzeau>15:23 < tarzeau> and that alacarte/gnome is so broken in lenny, that you still can't have your own menu for your workplace specific stuff
09:32*the-dude doesnt see any problems
09:32<koollman>tarzeau: I probably could if I tried. I guess I see your point ... not really related to configuration, only badly designed apps
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09:32<tarzeau>koollman: yes i agree, what's the solution?
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09:33<koollman>writing better apps ? I'm not sure. I don't use that kind of stupid applications
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09:33<ansgar>tarzeau: Isn't it enough to drop a *.desktop file to /usr/share/applications to add a new menu entry?
09:33<tarzeau>koollman: neither do i. but you can't enforce that policy to 3000 users...
09:33<tarzeau>ansgar: no
09:34<tarzeau>ansgar: a desktop file is application specific, it doesn't create sub menus
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09:34<tarzeau>ansgar: unless i'm wrong, and you give me such an example desktop file that does what you think it does
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09:34<ansgar>tarzeau: Ah, that might be right. I have only added new applications so far.
09:35<tarzeau>ansgar: so have i, but i need an own menu for say 50 applications
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09:35<tarzeau>that are not in debian, and we don't want those apps cluttered around in all the different submenus, but in one
09:35<tarzeau>we want a menu called "OUR FUCKING SOFTWARE CLICK HERE"
09:35<koollman>hmm ... I'm not sure how the gnome menu works
09:36<koollman>when I still used openbsd, there was a neat thing in menus called 'script entry', which generated the menu content via a program
09:36<koollman>err... I mean openbox
09:36<koollman>strange lapsus
09:36<tarzeau>koollman: that also exists for wmaker
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09:36<ansgar>tarzeau: Did you try adding it to the Debian menu system? I'm not sure what happens if you add a new submenu there.
09:36<tarzeau>koollman: the thing is we have many users, each of them using some fricking window manager
09:36<tarzeau>ansgar: yes i did, but debian since lenny, removed the menu-file menu entries from KDE and GNOME
09:36<koollman>tarzeau: why do you want to give them a unified menu, then ?
09:37<tarzeau>ansgar: we used to have our fricking menu in a debian menu, called "OUR SOFTWARE CLICK HERE"
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09:37<tarzeau>koollman: so they don't call and ask where the software is?
09:37<koollman>tarzeau: if they don't know,they don't change their wm
09:37<abraham>you have complete control over the menu in gnome. besides the game menu i think
09:37<koollman>tarzeau: so you can configure the default one ;)
09:37<tarzeau>abraham: how?
09:37<ansgar>tarzeau: Did you install menu-xdg? I think it is required for the Debian menu in KDE and GNOME.
09:37<tarzeau>ansgar: yes it's installed.
09:37<abraham>go to system>preferences>main menu
09:38<tarzeau>abraham: i'm not in gnome right now. but i need to configure this without touching /home and for all users
09:38<ansgar>tarzeau: Then the Debian menu should show up (it does here at least).
09:39<tarzeau>ansgar: you have lenny?
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09:39<ansgar>tarzeau: Yes.
09:39<tarzeau>ansgar: where does it show up, can you make a screenshot please?
09:39<abraham>debian menu is gone by default
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09:39<abraham>you have to enable it
09:39<tarzeau>can i enable it in command line?
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09:40<abraham>i dont know how without going into every users /home/.config
09:40<koollman>there's no central config file ?
09:41<ansgar>tarzeau: I'm not in the University now, so I cannot take a look right now.
09:41<abraham>the file you need to edit is in /home/.config/menus
09:41<tarzeau>ansgar: maybe tomorrow?
09:41<koollman>ah, right, that looks better craig :)
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09:42<tarzeau>craigevil: thanks, i did that, it works in ubuntu. it didn't work on debian with lenny
09:42<tarzeau>craigevil: did you really do that, and it worked?
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09:43<craigevil>i use lxde not gnome, it should work in lenny , but it may only apply to the newer gnome
09:43<tarzeau>well thanks
09:44<abraham>you would have to delete the .config file in the users directory for it to be overwritten wouldnt you?
09:44<abraham>i mean the menu file
09:44<craigevil>although if you have menu-xdg installed it should work
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09:45<abraham>doesnt the users menu file hold precedence though
09:45<xeon-enouf>man update-menus? (as an ancillary reply)
09:46<abraham>i think he is wanting to change the menu system wide
09:46<xeon-enouf>somethings are in .local as well, iinm
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09:46<abraham>not just for one user
09:46<tarzeau>abraham: i did so, user with empty /home
09:46<xeon-enouf>well,i changed mine in /etc/x*/openbox/*
09:47<tarzeau>xeon-enouf: yes i took care of it all. empty home
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09:47<xeon-enouf>which had stupid XML files pointing to x-www-browser and all the update-alternatives crap
09:48<craigevil>might take a look at extra-xdg-menus it lets you setup systemwide menus
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09:49<tarzeau>craigevil: thanks, that might work
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09:50<xeon-enouf>/etc/X11/openbox/menu.xml and /etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml for me
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09:52<xeon-enouf>but i think /usr/share/menu/* or something in there is supposed to hold system-wide app specific stuff
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10:00<Paggas>hi everyone, how can i make the cursor stop blinking in lxterminal? using squeeze version. thanks :)
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10:11<arw>any one knows a software language learning tool?
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10:13<arw>thank you
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10:13<rlzyoner>my bad !
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10:17<filius>@Paggas: try this to get some hint:
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10:19<traubisoda>hi all
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10:20<traubisoda>you may laugh at me but i can't find where to edit the number of workspaces:D can somebody tell me pls? i'm using squeeze with gnome
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10:20<cahoot>right-click on it
10:21<traubisoda>i've just got it
10:21<traubisoda>forgot to mention compiz
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10:33<pleb2>Hi Guys, ive got a debian server and in the console theres just streams and streams of this error : m
10:33<pleb2> Mode change "+i" for user vuser by vuser
10:34<pleb2>scsi 0:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device
10:34<pleb2>but it seems to be working fine?
10:34<pleb2>and writing to the disk?
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10:38<xeon-enouf>wth is vuser? vbox?
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10:39<pleb2>pasted the wrong bit :P
10:39<pleb2> scsi 0:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device is the error im worrie dbaout
10:39<pleb2>worried about **
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10:40<pleb2>The server is in the process of writing alot of data to the drive, but ive never seen that error before
10:40<pleb2>and its worrying
10:40<pleb2>data is being written to a HP RAID5 array
10:40<kubu>Hi, pals. How do i download a ".swf" media. I wonted a fast downloader.
10:40<xeon-enouf>yeah well, if it's a vbox disk/cd, maybe it's related - use iotop perhaps
10:40<pleb2>Xeon its a virtual machine thats doing the writing...
10:41<xeon-enouf>kubu: youtube-dl pkg?
10:41<pleb2>Xeon but its never been a problem on any of our other virtual servers
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10:42<xeon-enouf>i don't know - do you have a device at that scsi address?used to be /proc/scsi/scsi used to have that info, but lsscsi should still do
10:43<pleb2>iotop shows the virtualbox machine writing to the drive
10:43<kubu>Thankyou xeon, I have that installed, but youtube-dl displays "doesn't seem a youtube url" this one i am trying to download is a sound. What should i do?
10:43<xeon-enouf>(i do like that error message though - right to the point :-P)
10:43<pleb2>its writing at 5MB / s
10:43<pleb2>which isnt excessive
10:43<pleb2>my array is at /dev/cciss/c0d0
10:44<dehqan>good day every body ; i'll be thankfull if you guide ;is not there libmagick++9-dev for lenny 5.0.2
10:44<xeon-enouf>kubu: there are a few downloaders ..can't recall all their names
10:44<xeon-enouf>kubu: you could just wget / curl the file?
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10:45<kubu>what do you mean by curl ...?
10:45<pleb2>Xeon, not at that address
10:45<pleb2>i have SCSI 1:0:0:0 which is a USB CDROM
10:45<xeon-enouf>pleb2: isn't that some Compaq/HP related raid?
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10:45<pleb2>but nothinga t SCSI 0:0:0:0, and carnt see what would have been there
10:46<pleb2>it sounds like something is trying to write to scsi 0:0:0:0 and it isnt there anymore
10:46<pleb2>but i dont think its virtual box
10:46<pleb2>as that seems happy with what its doing
10:46<xeon-enouf>heh - something was? or are you missing a termination point? or .. how about your cciss BIOS setup?
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10:47<xeon-enouf>(or even vbox setup - dunno)
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10:47<xeon-enouf>kubu: curl is a downloading tool like wget, etc
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10:48<xeon-enouf>judd: versions libmagick++9-dev
10:48<judd>xeon-enouf: libmagick++9-dev -- etch: 7: etch-security: 7: etch-backports: 7: lenny: 7: lenny-security: 7:
10:48<xeon-enouf>dehqan: ^^^^^
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10:49<dehqan>good day every body ; i'll be thankfull if you guide ;is not there libmagick++9-dev for lenny 5.0.2? so what should be install while this error :checking for IMAGEMAGICK... configure: error: Package requirements ("ImageMagick") were not met
10:49<themill>dehqan: what are you trying to compile?
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10:51<themill>again. still :(
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10:51<pleb2>I'll try turning it off and back o n again
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10:51<pleb2>and see if it calms down whem VBOX stops writing
10:51<dehqan>themill do u mean there is not anyway to install libfprint on lenny ?
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10:52<themill>Well.... that particular question you already got answers to on August 10, so if you've made no progress since then, I'm guessing not.
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10:54<themill>apart from anything, the debian maintainer for libfprint0 claims that libusb-1.0-0-dev is required to compile the package and that's not in lenny either....
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10:54<dehqan>yes it wasn't but has been compiled on lenny without problem
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10:55<dehqan>yes it wasn't but has been compiled on lenny without problem libusb ...
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10:56<dehqan>but libfprint depends on that dev and it is not in lenny rep methinks
10:56<simNIX>Hello, I helped friends to there 1st Lenny. A game there kids plays is (uses java) - after adding the sun bits I had it working on my box and there's - then since yesterday when he tries to load it (press play now) they get white screen at the bottom - I on my Lenny still have it worrking - used dpkg --set-selections to be sure that on other end aal the same pkg I have on my working box - Im at a lost ...
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10:57<dehqan>so methinks that dev should be installed from other rep ...
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11:12<Paggas>filius: in the end i replaced lxterminal with gnome-terminal, along with disabling cursor blink via gconf, thanks for the link!
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11:14<bja>I'm trying to install pidgin on lenny the following dependencies are missing libdbus-glib-1.2 (>=0.78) [UNAVAILABLE] libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.10) [UNAVAILABLE] perl (>=5.10.0-24) [UNAVAILABLE]
11:15<bja>accordig to judd those dependencies are met on squeeze
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11:15<mouse>hi all
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11:16<bja>dpkg: tell mouse about ask
11:17<user_>hi, i did a minimal base install with fluxbox and opera. now i would like a image viewer that kind of 'minimal' could someone suggest me one?
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11:17<themill>bja: you're using the package, presumably
11:17<bja>no, i'm using normal lenny repositories
11:18<mouse>how to install debian hppa via putty?
11:18<user_>whats a minimal gui image vieuwer?
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11:18<themill>bja: so what version of pidgin are you trying to install?
11:18<stew>user_: display from imagemagick ?
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11:19<bja>themill: the one on lenny, 2.4.3-4lenny3 i guess
11:19<stew>mouse: you'd have to create a ssh enabled custom installer using preseed:
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11:20<user_>stew: ??
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11:20<themill>bja: don't guess... know. Those aren't the versioned dependencies on that package. Use "apt-cache policy pidgin" to find out what the candidate version is. Also /msg dpkg bat
11:20<stew>user_: "display" in the imagemagic package is a minimal gui image viewer
11:21<bja>themill: Candidate: 2.4.3-4lenny3
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11:22<mouse>so i must create my own iso image?
11:22<user_>stew: could it display multiple images lime some sort of auto viewer? liek you can click next or prev?
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11:23<xeon-enouf>simNIX: all i might suggest is check what update-java-alternatives might tell you (compare, box-to-box).. and perhaps 'echo $JAVA_HOME'
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11:24<themill>bja: hmm... those are not the versioned dependencies of that version. Can you pastebin the output of "aptitude install pidgin" along with the other things suggested by the "bat" factoid?
11:24<stew>user_: it can display multiple images
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11:24<stew>user_: it might be more minimal than you are looking for
11:24<mouse>i have debian 5 hppa cd, cd is booting but i can't install it directly (terminal don't display table :/)
11:24<simNIX>k - tnx
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11:25<stew>mouse: you'd have to create a custom install cd that uses preseeding to install and start an ssh server, did you see the link I sent you?
11:25<mouse>yes, i'm reading it now...
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11:25<xeon-enouf>user_: gliv is pretty minimal
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11:26<simNIX>xeon-enouf, on both mine and there box echo $JAVA_HOME outputs nothing ... I thing I make a preeseed to do a reinstall ...
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11:27<themill>simNIX: is the output of "java -version" the same?
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11:28<xeon-enouf>simNIX: might want to look/follow whatever /msg dpkg sunjava can tell you 1st ;-)
11:28<user_>xeon-enouf: thanks but its tool small for me. i want to click for next or prev or delete
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11:29<dpkg>hello, dominique
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11:29<xeon-enouf>user_: i thought i recall it having a batch mode, like right-arrowfor next image - but ok .. it's not installed here, but on other boxen, and i rarely use it
11:30<bja>themill: I also included sources.list
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11:31<dominique>hi! dpkg is of no help. please tell me how to get rid of the "port: bind: cannot assign requested address" error!!
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11:31<bja>themill: lmk if you need anythign else
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11:31<bja>dominique: that is application dependant
11:31<bja>you will have to elaborate more so people can help you
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11:32<jidm>hi. my front headphones jack don't work. Is there a way to make them work? (debian testing/squeeze)
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11:32<dominique>i think i figured it out... i hv a router and i tried to port bind to my external IP, but it works with my LAN IP.
11:32<themill>bja: perhaps "aptitude -V install pidgin" would help to see what it's trying to do
11:32<dominique>but is there no way to binding the external IP to the program?
11:33<dominique>okay bja, i am trying to run the HLDS (Half Life Dedicated Server) to host a game of CS.
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11:33<xeon-enouf>your ISP might not like that much, heh
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11:34<user_>xeon-enouf: thanks alot i love it now
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11:37<simNIX>xeon-enouf, fwiw: dpkg gives back whick is 403 - no worries ill find the page there just thought mention it so bot maybe can be updated
11:37<xeon-enouf>oh :-(
11:37<themill>simNIX: /msg dpkg install java
11:39<xeon-enouf>simNIX: thanks for the feedback
11:39<themill>dpkg, no sunjava is <reply>see java
11:39<dpkg>okay, themill
11:39<bja>themill: basically the same output, i just don't see how did the repos got mixed up
11:39<simNIX>tnx all for thinking along
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11:40<themill>bja: perhaps pastebin the output of "apt-cache show pidgin"
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11:41<xeon-enouf>showpkg perhaps?
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11:48<themill>bja: argh... those deps are screwed up very badly. The package is full of exceptions for amd64 that can't be fulfilled in lenny.
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11:48<themill>bja: in any case, you probably want the package from as that fixes quite a few protocol issues that others have been having recently
11:48<themill>bja: oh... and check the bts.
11:49<themill>dpkg, dbugs 542586
11:49<dpkg>#542586:G[pidgin] pidgin: Security update 2.4.3-lenny3 not installable [amd64] (security); Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:48:18 UTC []
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11:49<bja>themill: so i'm a few hours late :(
11:49<themill>seems so!
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11:51<bja>themill: thx anyway, guess this people will have to learn how to use irssi
11:51<themill>bja: ...
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11:53<bja>themill: naa, if it just were mine, there would be no problem, but installing it on 4 machines and making custom installs is beyond the scope of this project
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11:54<themill>bja: echo "deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free" /etc/apt/sources.list.d/backports.list" && aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude install -t lenny-backports pidgin ?
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11:55<bja>themill: thx you just made a few users happy, next round on beers is to your health
11:56<bja>!beer themill
11:56*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Guinness for themill
11:56<Gold24>as far as i can see though he has unmatching quotes :)
11:57*adb Geneva 36,0 ℃ ...
11:57<themill>yeah... and a missing > but whatever :)
11:57<bja>and an extra ".d"
11:57<themill>no no, the .d was intentional!
11:57<Gold24>>> would probably be a better choice ;)
11:57<Gold24>yeah good point
11:57<Gold24>didn't think about the .d :)
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11:59<themill>I resisted the temptation to add "-y --force-yes" to installing the keyring package though.
11:59<darsie>Hi! How do I redefine my sensible-editor?
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12:00<bja>themill: amd64 is buggier than i386 ?
12:00<themill>darsie: man sensible-editor ; define the EDITOR variable
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12:00<themill>bja: well, it certainly looks like this particular security update didn't quite get the testing it needed.
12:01<Gold24>bja: not particulary much if you stay away from wanting to run 32 bit binaries
12:01<bja>not this particular case, but talking in general
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12:05<darsie>themill: So I should modify the shell startup scripts? I thought the sensible-editor would be defined in a central location so it would not need to be changed for every shell that a user might use.
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12:07<themill>darsie: if you want to change it for all users all the time, then you can use update-alternatives to change the "editor" alternative. But it's designed to be configurable for the preferences of each user on the system, hence using an environment variable.
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12:10<bozz>hello, i ve a question about shell scripting.. someone could explain the meaning of " ${file:${#path}:24} " where file is a var .. i m kinda lost here
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12:14<themill>bozz: ${#var} is the string length of the contents of var. ${var:a:b} is the substring of var from a to b
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12:16<bozz>thanks themill, i knew about the lenght but didnt know about substring manipulation this way! gonna practice, thanks!
12:16<themill>so that just strips off the directory name from the absolute path to the file $file but assumes that you have $path ending with / and that the filename is less than 24 chars long. Just using basename "$file" would be easier...
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12:18<bozz>ho god, that's.. ugly :)
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12:18<bozz>dunno why my mate did it like this..
12:18<themill>yes,... that's the sort of bash scripting that makes greycat cry
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13:00<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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13:48<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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13:52<leejongwook>i need tab with nautilus
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13:52<leejongwook>hard to copy files with nautilus
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13:53<leejongwook>debian <-- best linux i think but older
13:53<bja>What is the debian way of managing iptables rules on a production server?
13:54<bja>leejongwook: make nautilus behave like a browser
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13:54<leejongwook>how ?
13:54<Simone>I've a problem
13:54<Simone>I have /home/simone/eclipse
13:54<Simone>taht's protected
13:54<Gold24>bja: that is something i never really found out myself what the "right" way is
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13:54<leejongwook>what do you mean protected
13:54<Simone>and I want to remove the protection
13:55<leejongwook>try ls -l
13:55<Gold24>protected how?
13:55<Simone>leejongwook, only root
13:55<leejongwook>i see
13:55<Simone>and i can't run the files
13:55<Simone>I've used
13:55<bja>Simone: man chown and man chmod will help you
13:55<leejongwook>sudo chown ~/eclipse -R
13:55<Simone>chmod 755 home/simone/eclipse/
13:55<leejongwook>was an example
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13:55<Simone>But it doesn't work
13:55<bja>Simone: do it as root
13:55<Simone>I've done it as root
13:56<bja>Gold24: How do you do it?
13:56<bja>the usual script on init.d?
13:56<Simone>sudo chown ~/eclipse -R
13:56<Simone>I try it
13:56<leejongwook>and ?
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13:56<Gold24>make an init.d script and add it to the relevant runlevels
13:56<Gold24>another way i know people using is using rc.local
13:56<leejongwook>Simone, i think i can help you out, query me
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13:57<Gold24>i do it by the init.d script
13:57<Gold24>just remember to make it executable ;)
13:57<bja>Gold24: that is the way i have it but i was looking for a more debianite way :)
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13:58<Gold24>let me know if you find out :)
13:58<Gold24>i saw a iptables-persistant package going through NEW a bit ago
13:58<Gold24>but i didn't really look much at it
13:59<adb>leejongwook: change behavior of nautilus to "allways open in browser windows" or so ..
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14:05<vinicius>can anyone give me any direction about redirecting the mouse scroll event to "pointer after middle click?", like i saw on windowze once...?
14:05<leejongwook>adb, with gconf-editor ?
14:05<leejongwook>how do i change behavior of nautilus ?
14:07<vinicius>leejongwook, nautilus --browser ?
14:07<leejongwook>oh that one
14:07<vinicius>the other ones you change on preferences
14:07<leejongwook>i did it
14:07<leejongwook>but i need tab function
14:07<adb>leejongwook: update-alternatives --config editor ?
14:07<leejongwook>so i can copy bunch of files to other easily
14:07<vinicius>leejongwook, tab to what? to change focus between panels?
14:07<leejongwook>yes :)
14:07<leejongwook>not the new windows
14:07<vinicius>oh wel..
14:08<vinicius>the nautilus tab events are different from the ones on we
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14:08<vinicius>so maybe you should look for another file manager
14:08<leejongwook>i see
14:08<vinicius>the panel o nautilus only get devices and bookmarks
14:09<leejongwook>suggest me one please
14:09<adb>leejongwook: use mc ..
14:09<vinicius>leejongwook, mc is a good one
14:09<leejongwook>for gnome :)
14:09<leejongwook>not for console :P
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14:09<adb>for all
14:09<vinicius>leejongwook, once i used a windows explorer clone, i cant remember the name
14:10<leejongwook>mc <-- for console and gnome too ? really ?
14:10<vinicius>leejongwook, but theres a bunch if you look up on gloogle
14:10<adb>yeah leejongwook
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14:10<leejongwook>i have gnome-file-manager installed but want to see more
14:10<leejongwook>adb, thanks :)
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14:10<leejongwook>vinicius, thanks :)
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14:11<vinicius>leejongwook, np =)
14:11<leejongwook>i'll google it :) and try mc :)
14:11<adb>leejongwook: mc do ftp too ..
14:11<vinicius>wel... still no one about the mice stuff?
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14:15<leejongwook>adb, how can i run midnight commander(mc) gui ?
14:15<leejongwook>is this console only ?
14:15<vinicius>leejongwook, theres a gui version
14:16<vinicius>leejongwook, for gnome i guess
14:16<leejongwook>i see :)
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14:19<zem>hi, my sound is mysteriously gone after last reboot (squeeze, integrated "nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio", 2.6.30)
14:20<zem>works in windows just fine
14:20<zem>only strange thing is that my pc turned off on itself last night
14:20<zem>(and mising sound)
14:21<cahoot>zem: only one device in: cat /proc/asound/cards?
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14:22<zem>0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
14:22<zem> HDA NVidia at 0xfe024000 irq 21
14:22<cahoot>zem: only one device in: cat /proc/asound/cards?
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14:22<zem>so i guess yes (or no i can't tell from this)
14:23<cahoot>zem: try speaker-test -t wav -c2
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14:23<zem>command not found
14:24<cahoot>zem: alsa-utils not installed?
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14:24<zem>nope... not realy :/
14:25<zem>speaker-test: no sound
14:26<cahoot>zem: (as root) invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0, then speaker-test again
14:27<zem>that helped
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14:27<cahoot>zem: alsa-utils is run a boot if installed, unmutes and sets sane levels
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14:28<zem>oh well... i guess the cause will remain mistery
14:28<zem>thank you cahoot
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14:59<mateusz>hello, I'm installing debian using virtual box, and I have problems running the installer, anyone can point me to somwhere where I can get some help?
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15:19<tiberius>Hello debian folks - I have a short question about autofs + nfs
15:20<tiberius>Is it enough to put the following line into /etc/auto.master > /localmountpoint nfs://ip/share
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15:23<tiberius>normally i use the fstab which works good - In my situation I have to use autofs ...
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15:30*spacebear tar en banan
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16:07<flixh>"Escape"-key is not working any more in vim for a few days now (on two machines running testing). Anybody got an idea whats wrong?
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16:28<Getty>someone knows how i get the volume label of a partition?
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16:29<Tekno>fdisk -l
16:30<ml|>oh get, blkid
16:31<ml|>gparted can do that also if you have it installed
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16:32<Getty>wow.. i just saw that renaming of the devices by udev in /dev/disk/
16:32<Getty>can i just "autofs" them?!
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16:33<Getty>find /dev/disk/
16:33<Getty>or "additional naming" better
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16:33<xeon-enouf>association / symlinks is more like it
16:34<Getty>or that, however you wanna call it, if its important if you know what i mean already ;)
16:34<ml|>and for completeness ... ls /dev/disk/by-label/
16:34<xeon-enouf>ls -l /dev/disk/*
16:34<Getty>ml|: yeah, that will be my target now
16:34<Getty>i just want that if i attach a specific USB device it gets his place
16:35<dpkg>If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman>, or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>.
16:35<ml|>you can use usbmount
16:35<Getty>autofs documentation is really totally bad
16:35<Getty>i try usb mount
16:35<xeon-enouf>flixh: see if the ALT key can substitute
16:36<ml|>works fine here, reead the docs
16:36<Getty>i have actually no clue how i should use the prepared auto.smb, cause this isnt documented anywhere, just documentation on how you make it yourself which seems not to fit for autofs
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16:36<Getty>ml|: then tell me which doc i miss that explains me that stuff with auto.smb, just curious, i must miss some doc then
16:36<ml|>flixh: also ctrl-[ woeks as esc also, esc works fine here btw
16:38<ml|>Getty: as was talking about usbmount, dunno about anything auto.smb
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16:38<Getty>ml|: yeah, its just an autofs theme, and i say the documentation of the autofs package is really bad and not good enough for a plain usage even, thats all
16:38<Getty>checking usbmount for the usb problem now
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16:38<andrew> website with proff?
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16:40<flixh>xeon-enouf: well, alt-esc does the job as well as ctrl-[ and ctrl-c but i want my esc back...
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16:41<flixh>ml|: esc was working fine here as well, until recently
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16:42<ml|>flixh: hardware issue, or something you changed recently in your .vimrc?
16:43<flixh>ah, just realised that esc works in a virtual console but not in konsole or xterm in X
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16:43<flixh>ml|: no, haven't touch anything, and does happen on two different systems
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16:46<flixh>thanks for helping, have to leave
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17:02<xeon-enouf>sounds like console* pkgs, either bug, or misconfiguration
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17:04<ml|>xeon-enouf: could be, works fine here in xterm also
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17:15<xeon-enouf>ml|: yeah, many ppl seem to make changes sometime in the past, forget they did, then finally restart X, or reboot, whatever- then they seem perplexed :-P
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17:17<xeon-enouf>ml|: that's one thing that can't happen using redmond OSes - everything requires a reboot :-p
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17:24<ml|>xeon-enouf: you and not liking to reboot, heh
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17:28<koulutus>hello guys
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17:30<koulutus>i have a problem with debpartial-mirror
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17:31<koulutus>i'm trying to build a personalized debian cd with the debian-cd tool, but it requires some files
17:31<koulutus>some of these files are: debian-installer+kernel task-essential-all
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17:31<koulutus>somebody know how where can i find these files?
17:32<koulutus>sry *know where
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17:33<xente>does anyone know if they are going to have an updated nvidia-kernel to match 2.6.30?
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17:37<valdyn>xente: probably never
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17:37<valdyn>xente: you are supposed to be able to create that package yourself
17:37<valdyn>xente: only stable releases do get such packages usually
17:37<sten>how can I set ccache's caching path permanently, i.e. w/o using environment variables?
17:38<xente>valdyn: I see. what is the best way to create one's own package?
17:38<valdyn>xente: yes
17:39<xente>thanks for the info
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17:40<sten>any idea how can I set ccache's caching path persistently across reboots, i.e. w/o using environment variables?
17:41<weasel>make a symlink?
17:41<sten>weasel: I would need a symlink for every user, since the default is ~/.ccache
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17:43<pbn>  /part
17:44<pbn>oops :)
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17:44<xeon-enouf>ls: cannot access .ccache: No such file or directory
17:45<xeon-enouf>koulutus: try /msg dpkg cdd ; /msg dpkg live -- might be udebs you want
17:45<koulutus>thx xeon-enouf
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17:52<xente>hello. can someone help me with something? I am trying to compile the nvidia driver from m-a and the driver complains that the kernel was compiled with gcc v4.3.3 but 4.3.4 is what is installed and there seems to be no option to install 4.3.3.....any ideas?
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17:53<xeon-enouf>install 4.3.3 and then 'export CC=gcc-4.3.3'
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17:53<xente>there is no package 4.3.3
17:53<koulutus>here i ignore and the module is compiled sucessfull
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17:54<xente>how do you ignore? it won't finish the compilation
17:54<themill>I thought the m-a script was set up to get it to ignore that
17:54<xeon-enouf>21:51 <judd> gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15 lenny: 4:4.3.2-2 sid: 4:4.3.3-9 squeeze: 4:4.3.3-9
17:54<xeon-enouf>no idea where you're getting your .4 from
17:55<xente>it's what is installed....4.3.4-1
17:55<xeon-enouf>from where?
17:55<themill>judd versions gcc-4.3
17:56<judd>themill: gcc-4.3 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1 sid: 4.3.4-1 squeeze: 4.3.4-1
17:56<xente>from my sources.list : deb squeeze contrib main non-free
17:56<xeon-enouf>themill: wth is with that? :-P
17:57<ml|>4.3.4-1 is what i have installed here
17:58<abraham>gcc 4.4.1 works on lenny if you compile and install it over 4.3.2
17:58<xeon-enouf>ii gcc 4:4.3.3-9 The GNU C compiler
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17:58<abraham>gcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1.1)
17:59<xeon-enouf>Linux version 2.6.30-1-686 (Debian 2.6.30-4) ( (gcc version 4.3.3 (Debian 4.3.3-15) ) #1 SMP Thu
17:59<xeon-enouf>so what's the problem?
18:00<themill>xeon-enouf: /msg dpkg metapackage
18:00<themill>xeon-enouf: (and check the actual output of "gcc-4.3 -v")
18:00<xeon-enouf>so b-e is a metapackage that calls other metapackages?
18:00<xeon-enouf>how silly
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18:02<valdyn>xente: why dont you ignore the complaint?
18:02<xente>valdyn: how do I ignore it?
18:02<valdyn>xente: m-a just prints the error, it doesnt abort
18:03<valdyn>xente: and the ( which is unsupported by debian anyway ) has a command line switch
18:03<chealer_>valdyn: could you show the compltain?
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18:03<abraham>xente, ignore the error. i did and nothing bad happened
18:03<xente>from m-a: Build of the package ...failed. How do you...?
18:03<valdyn>chealer: you mean xente
18:03<chealer>xente: could you show the complaint?
18:04<chealer>valdyn: thanks
18:04<abraham>it says kernel rejects modules not built with the same gcc version
18:04<valdyn>xente: thats a different error
18:04<abraham>but thats not true
18:04<abraham>it will work
18:04<xente>valdyn: ok...have you run across it before?
18:04<valdyn>xente: about every time i compile an nvidia driver
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18:04<abraham>i have had the same error as well
18:05<abraham>you can ignore it
18:05<valdyn>xente: and it is not an error, its a warning
18:05<abraham>yes a warniong
18:05<valdyn>xente: if your compile fails then that is for a different reason
18:05<abraham>do m-a prepare first
18:05<abraham>then m-a a-i nvidia
18:05<xente>done both of those
18:06<valdyn>xente: now give us the complete build log
18:06<abraham>no kernel headers?
18:06<xente>where is the log located?
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18:06<valdyn>xente: that warning is only a precaution against abi changes, but there has not been a C abi change for years
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18:09<xente>reading the log is says "conftest failed!" has anyone seen that before?
18:09<abraham>there is a 190 driver out allready, debian needs to kick it into high gear to get it into squeeze
18:09<xeon-enouf>themill: FWIW: gcc version 4.3.3 (Debian 4.3.3-14)
18:09<abraham>judd versions nvidia
18:09<judd>abraham: nvidia --
18:09<abraham>judd versions nvidia-kernel
18:09<judd>abraham: nvidia-kernel --
18:10<xeon-enouf>( "gcc-4.3 -v" output)
18:10*abraham leaves judd alone
18:10<xente>gcc version 4.3.4 (Debian 4.3.4-1)
18:10<themill>xeon-enouf: you're presumably lagging a little in updates then...
18:11<xeon-enouf>themill: you might say that - i have the perspective that if shit works (and is fairly recent), don't break it - or, if i do; i should have a pretty good idea of how to fix it
18:11<chealer>xente: please just paste your log
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18:12<xente>chealer: where is the log located?
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18:12<chealer>xente: are you sure m-a doesn't tell you?
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18:12<xeon-enouf>themill: i still can't get over this compound metapackage thing though ... heh
18:12<themill>xeon-enouf: absolutely. (that's why I run stable). It does limit your ability to help with such things though when the issue is compiler versions and you don't have it installed.
18:13<xente>chealer: m-a has a dialog that comes up displays the log in pages.
18:13<themill>xeon-enouf: "compound metapackage"?
18:13<xeon-enouf>themill: i'll make a factoid - then i can point you at it ;-)
18:13<chealer>xente: yes, but don't you see another dialog telling you where the log is?
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18:14<xente>chealer: not that I see
18:14<chealer>xente: it's in /var/log/
18:14<xeon-enouf>themill: and it appears it's more of a user issue, or even a (non-supported) .sh one
18:14<xente>chealer: I don't see it there either
18:15<themill>doesn't it use /var/cache/modass/ ?
18:15<xente>yep, found it there
18:15<xente>do I need to use pastebin?
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18:16<chealer>themill: yes
18:16<chealer>xente: sorry
18:16<xente>chealer: no prob
18:16<chealer>xente: as long as you don't paste it in the channel
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18:17<themill>chealer: I couldn't remember either... locate modass turned up an ancient one for me
18:17<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
18:19<nice-guy>guys, im with a problem with some images on websites.. look i see this image like that And its the real image:
18:19<themill>judd versions nvidia-kernel-source
18:19<judd>themill: nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 185.18.14-2
18:19<themill>xente: what version of the nvidia-kernel-source package do you have installed?
18:20<chealer>xente: that's not a complaint, that's a warning
18:20<themill>xente: it could be that the version you have fails to build with that newer kernel.
18:20<nice-guy>Does anyone know whats the problem?
18:20<chealer>xente: that warning is irrelevant in your case
18:21<xente>at line 101, there is an error, tho
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18:22<xente>well, I will try compiling the driver from the nvidia web site. It's a bummer that it can't be done simply with m-a
18:22<chealer>nice-guy: your question could be more precise. mentioning the browser you use wouldn't hurt
18:23<nice-guy>both Ephiphany and Iceweasel
18:23<themill>xente: I suspect that it can be done with m-a, you will just need to get the newer package from sid.
18:23<xeon-enouf>themill: oh well, i always thought gcc was delivered through b-e; i guess libc6-dev, make, g++, etc are (but Depends: gcc)
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18:23<nice-guy>i come back soon
18:23<themill>xente: (newer nvidia-kernel-source, I mean)
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18:24<chealer>xeon-enouf: it's not silly
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18:24<xente>themill: good idea..I will try that
18:24<xeon-enouf>themill: silly is a nice way to put it...
18:24<themill>xeon-enouf: huh?
18:25*xeon-enouf drops it
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18:26<ml|>xente: if you use sid versions nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx${VERSION} after m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source you should be fine
18:26<xente>ml|: thanks...I will try it
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18:28<xente>hey, using the packages from sid worked
18:28<ml|>xente: make sure you rm -r /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/ any old files first and modprobe -r nvidia
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18:29<xente>well, here goes..I'm going to restart my X
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18:30<Zara>hi folks... can i get some help with my sound??? - i come from googling a lot, so i'm quite sincerous, i don't know what is going on with my sound...-
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18:31<xente>so, it worked. do the nvidia packages in squeeze contain bugs then?
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18:31<cahoot>Zara: : try speaker-test -t wav -c2
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18:32<Zara>it is said that the device is not a valid one, and with alsaconf amixer not found
18:32<Zara>cahoot: playback error
18:33<cahoot>Zara: cat /proc/asound/cards
18:33<Zara>cahoot: 0 [AudioPCI ]: ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI
18:33<Zara> Ensoniq AudioPCI ENS1371 at 0xa400, irq 16
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18:34<Zara>but i've also the motherboard one... here is not shown
18:34<cahoot>Zara: (as root) invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0, then speaker-test again
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18:34<ml|>xente: i think they haven't made thier way to testing yet is the problem
18:34<xente>ml|: I see...speaking of which, how does one become a package maintainer for debian?
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18:35<Zara>cahoot: i've no alsa-utils... so i cannot invoke alsa-utils reset 0
18:35<xeon-enouf>Zara: thatis the motherboard one
18:35<xeon-enouf>Zara: install it
18:35<cahoot>so install alsa-utils
18:36<Zara>xeon-enouf: i dont think is the motherboard one... the motherboard is intel
18:36<xeon-enouf>Zara: my p2 has the same one, that's how i know ;-)
18:36<Zara>xeon-enouf: this is with the gameport... pci one
18:37<Zara>cahoot: wired... i've alsa-utils but i'm not able to invoke it -being root-
18:37<xeon-enouf>Zara: yes, mine has an onboard gameport too
18:37<cahoot>Zara: install alsa-utils; (as root) alsa force-reload; alsa-utils reset 0; speaker-test
18:37<Zara>alsa alsaconf alsactl alsamixer alsamixergui, but not alsa-utils... well i'll reinstall it
18:38<xeon-enouf>Zara: onboard is PCI, generally (just hardwired)
18:38<ml|>xente: there is a factiod that explains that, but i forget now
18:38<xente>ml|: thanks anyways
18:39<ml|>some else might know
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18:39<Zara>xeon-enouf: what i mean is that i've 2, one is printed on board, and the other one i can plug and unplug -pci port- so i guess this one is the one is not printed
18:39<xeon-enouf>Zara: one sure way to know is to disable it in your BIOS
18:40<Zara>xeon-enouf: mmmm, yes
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18:40<xeon-enouf>Zara: but i'm almost 100% sure ensoniq were always onboard
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18:40<Zara>cahoot: i'm reinstalling the alsa-utils... still, but not apearing anywhere...!
18:40<cahoot>not true
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18:40<natanael>hello i have updated my system yesterday, but now my bluetooth keyboard and mouse no langer work, I even can't find "hidd".
18:40<xeon-enouf>ok, possibly wrong then - point taken
18:41<xente>anyone here done any kernel programming?
18:41<natanael>what was changed in the bluetooth system in the last days?
18:41<ml|>xente: this might be of help ...
18:41<natanael>how can i reconfigure my system, that my bluetooth mouse and keyboard work again?
18:41<xente>ml|: thanks for the link
18:41<xeon-enouf>i guess dmidecode / lspci -vvv could tell you as well as lshw, hwinfo etc
18:42<Zara>cahoot: i'm in lenny, not in squeeze... - extra information, just in case -
18:42<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also
18:42<cahoot>alsaconf is obsolete
18:42<xeon-enouf>xente: might try #debian-mentors as well
18:43<adb>not in lenny
18:43<xeon-enouf>HAL is obsolete - heh
18:43<xente>thanks, xeon-enoug
18:43*xeon-enouf hides
18:43<xente>I can spell
18:43<xente>i promise
18:43<Zara>cahoot: well, but i'm in lenny, - i know now lenny is obsolete but... still, i've got what i've got...-
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18:43<ml|>xente: tab completion ftw ;)
18:43<cahoot>Zara: try alsa force-reload
18:44<cahoot>Zara: then cat /proc/asound/cards
18:44<xente>ml|: that is so much nicer than having to type it all out.....thanks again
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18:44*ml| agrees with xeon-enouf :)
18:44<xeon-enouf>Zara: are snd-pcm-{oss,mixer} loaded? dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base
18:44<Zara>cahoot: i've the same cards than before, now i try the sound
18:45<Zara>ok, not working,
18:45<cahoot>Zara: remove any ~/.asoundrc*
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18:46<Zara>cahoot: yes
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18:46<cahoot>Zara: : try speaker-test -t wav -c2
18:46<Zara>- those things i've tryied, for example this one :D -
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18:47<xente>has anyone here done some kernel programming with the ip stack?
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18:47<Zara>cahoot: now i've no errors but i cannot hear anything... :(
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18:47<chealer>xente: the testing packages are buggy, indeed
18:47<cahoot>Zara: did you run alsa-utils reset 0 ?
18:48<Zara>cahoot: now, yes i did... and then, no sound
18:49<cahoot>external speakers?
18:49<cahoot>if so - check connectors and cabling
18:49<Zara>yes, i've external speakers for the motherboard, just i case they work, and headphones for the one we are trying to configure
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18:50<cahoot>Zara: might check if there's a specific headset switch in alsamixer
18:51<xeon-enouf>Zara: is perhaps some game or flash using OSS got your sound tied in knots? heh
18:52<Zara>cahoot: well, i'm able to see a lot of bars there, all of them are in maximum levels -at least the ones i can put up and down -.
18:52<Zara>xeon-enouf: sorry, could you specify a bit more?
18:52<cahoot>ok I'm at wit's end
18:53<xeon-enouf>as root lsof | egrep 'flash|esd|firefox' or similar ...
18:53<Zara>xeon-enouf: game... like i was playing a game, if is because of flash... i'm using flash quite more than games :)
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18:54<Zara>xeon-enouf: with your command... i had a lot of output
18:55<Zara>but i cannot understand a lot
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18:55<nice-guy>guys what did you think about apt-build?
18:57<Zara>xeon-enouf: about the modules... i've snd_ens1371 the one i need... and also some *oss*
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18:59<xeon-eno1f>!list alsa users
18:59<dpkg>To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer
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19:01<Zara>xeon-enouf: how do i check that?
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19:02<Zara>xeon-enouf: i did the ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq` and i got....
19:02<Zara> PID TTY TIME CMD
19:02<Zara> 3905 pts/1 00:00:00 su
19:02<Zara> 3906 pts/1 00:00:00 bash
19:02<Zara>16568 pts/1 00:00:00 ps
19:02<Zara>is it ok?
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19:03<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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19:03<Zara>- sorry guys/girls -
19:03<themill>Zara: you failed at copy paste ;(
19:04<Zara>themill: ¿?
19:04<themill>either that or nothing is touching your sound card at all
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19:05<Zara>themill: sorry for pasting
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19:07<bja>Zara: You said you have a pair of earphones, an unorthodox way of checking life on your soundcard would be to plug the earphones on the microphone plug, if you hear a small click your soundcard is alive, if you don't hear anything, well ...
19:09<Zara>bja: thanks for the advice, but i've 2 sound cards, so 2 outputs, -with green indication as a output- i'm able to hear like air whenever alsaconf is trying to configure the sound but i got a amixer error -not able to find the device-
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19:10<Zara>i'm able to do a speaker-test without errors but without sound
19:11<Zara>they were working 2 weeks ago, but i was playing with the midi input and then... stoped to work at all
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19:12<xeon-enouf>Zara: pastebin output of lshal | grep device_file | sort
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19:15<Zara>xeon-enouf: i'm still wondering about the oss, what about them... are they needed? are they the legacy drivers or something like this?
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19:16<xeon-enouf>Zara: well.. is alsa-oss installed?
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19:17<xeon-enouf>did you install OSS4 things? using gnome?
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19:17<Zara>alsa-oss not installed
19:18<Zara>what do you mean with oss4 things? i don't know if i installed something needing this kind of sound driver...
19:18<xeon-enouf>i also had asked about lsof, snd_{mixer,pcm}_oss and such
19:18<Zara>xeon-enouf: should i install alsa-oss????
19:19<xeon-enouf>it won't hurt - for using alsa
19:19<xeon-enouf>oh well
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19:20<Zara>xeon-enouf: do you want also the lsof output?
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19:21<xeon-enouf>nah, i bet a reboot would fix it :-P but if you do - check BIOS ;-)
19:21<Zara>ok, so i'm rebooting... :D
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19:22<allyourbass>debian lenny i386, crazy error when i try and access mounted usb storage, google has so far turned up nothing
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19:23<allyourbass>i need a slap in the right direction
19:24<xeon-enouf>allyourbass: try a shell
19:25<allyourbass>hmm there is nothing in my /mnt
19:25<allyourbass>other than my mfs shares
19:25<xeon-enouf>looks like user=1000 isn't enough perms for pcmanfm -d uid=0 (root) IOW, a permission error- but not sure if HAL or your automount applet related
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19:26<allyourbass>ugh permissions
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19:27<allyourbass>ok i tried pcmanfm as root
19:27<xeon-enouf>allyourbass: does pgrep udevd return a PID?
19:27<allyourbass>i can access the usb drive now
19:27<Zara>xeon-enouf: nothing...
19:27<xeon-enouf>Zara: is udevd running? pgrep udevd
19:28<xeon-enouf>Zara: what'
19:28<xeon-enouf>s your BIOS say? ;-)
19:28<allyourbass>allen@darkmatter:/mnt$ pgrep udevd 789
19:28<adb>Zara: try other user ...
19:28<allyourbass>789 is what it spits out
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19:28<Zara>xeon-enouf: the bios says i've ac97 mother sound card
19:28<xeon-enouf>allyourbass: is your user part of the plugdev group?
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19:28<Zara>auto activated
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19:29<xeon-enouf>Zara: ac-97 is a codec :-P
19:29<Zara>xeon-enouf: why bios has a codec???
19:29<xeon-enouf>ofcourse snd_en1371 uses it
19:29<xeon-enouf>Zara: ac == ?
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19:30<Zara>xeon-enouf: XD ok, still i've 2 physical sound cards, and any of them working... :(
19:30<xeon-enouf>Sony consortium standard or someshit'
19:30<xeon-enouf>who cares
19:30<allyourbass>xeon-enouf, i added myself to plugdev group, now i just get the error "permission denied"
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19:30<xeon-enouf>allyourbass: logout/login
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19:31<xeon-enouf>allyourbass: then 'groups' will show you
19:32<Zara>xeon-enouf: is it possible i've seen a realtek or similar device as my motherboard sound card in a not very faraway past?
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19:33<xeon-enouf>Zara: is it possible i'll hit Lotto in the not so distant future? :-P
19:33<allyourbass>xeon-enouf, logging out/in didnt work, but removing and then reinserting the card did
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19:34<xeon-enouf>allyourbass: hrm ... DBUS / HAL things perhaps
19:34<Zara>xeon-enouf: XD about my sound, do you think we can do something else?
19:34<allyourbass>either way, it works now I owe you BEER
19:35<xeon-enouf>allyourbass: likely your automounter's "policy" or whategver
19:35<xeon-enouf>allyourbass: ;-)
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19:35<xeon-enouf>Zara: sorry - i
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19:35<xeon-enouf>Zara: sorry - i'm pretty much done ;-)
19:35<Zara>xeon-enouf: don't worry, i'm also quite tired...
19:36<Zara>so i'll have more fun tomorrow... :D
19:36<Zara>thanks a lot xeon-enouf for trying and giving advices :D
19:36<xeon-enouf>Zara: i mean you could pull out your PCI Card and try the onboard stuff
19:36<xeon-enouf>sure, np
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19:37<Zara>xeon-enouf: yes, for sure i try that tomorrow, but by now... i'm going to bed... in western europe is quite dark :D
19:37<Zara>good night people :D
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20:02<jmasterson>[newbie] anyone know why DSA-1865 is no longer on security.debian.irg website?
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20:06<chealer>jmasterson: you may want to ask #debian-security
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20:12<edbian>I'm going to have 2 ethernet connections soon in the next few days. How can I set up debian lenny to maximum my available bandwidth by using both connections at once?
20:13<edbian>Is it enough to simply make the entires in /etc/network/interfaces ??
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20:15<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, bonding is configuring two NICs with same IP address, increasing throughput and providing failover. For setup instructions, see . See also Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the Linux kernel source. Older information at
20:16<edbian>abrotman: Thank you
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20:23<_budo>for debian you download all deb packages into the /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?
20:24<adb>_budo: don't double ask , and yes
20:24<_budo>dpkg -i knows to look in that directory?
20:24*dpkg removes a liver from _budo and replaces it with knows to look in that directory
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20:25<adb>no, but apt-get or aptitude yes
20:26<_budo>i need to ftp/http a keyring
20:26<dpkg>rumour has it, key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive
20:27<_budo>so download that to that directory and install with dpkg -i
20:27<adb>aptitude install debian-archive-keyring
20:27<_budo>its the multimedia keyring
20:27<adb>aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring
20:28<adb>their site mark/say that ..
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20:29<_budo>oh i get it
20:29<_budo>i have to add the multimedia address to the sources.list file
20:29<_budo>after that apt-get update
20:29<adb>sure ..
20:29<_budo>and then install the keyring
20:29<dpkg>it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
20:30<_budo>man they never write these instructions in the proper sequence
20:31<adb>it's same method as for debian repos ...
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20:34<_budo> <<
20:35<_budo>what is the dpkg -i for if i did an 'aptitude install' ?
20:35<adb>man dpkg
20:35<adb>man aptitude
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20:38<_budo>aptitude install already takes care or runs on top of dpkg, so there is no need for me to do a dpkg as written on that webpage
20:39<_budo>am i understanding it correctly ?
20:39<adb>use aptitude as told
20:40<_budo>its good if you tell me the theory behind it so i can stop asking too many questions
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20:41<adb>try to figure yourself ... reading man pages..
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20:42<xeon-enouf>_budo: /msg dpkg grounding
20:43<xeon-enouf>_budo: if only one thing; install / read the debian-reference
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20:55<_budo>ADecoder init failed :( Cannot find codec for audio format 0x706C6351
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20:56<dpkg>hmm... codecs is See <w32codecs>, or for a run-down of various free(ish) codecs and container formats, see
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20:58<retroj>hello. I'm using apt-pinning in order to get some packages from sid on a squeeze system. is there a command that will show me all the available versions of a given package, from the sid and squeeze repositories?
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20:58<adb>apt-cache policy packagesname
20:59<retroj>thank you!
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21:00<_budo>boy oh boy
21:01<_budo>they sure dont know how to teach or write linux so people can understand right away
21:01<retroj>don't know one little command and people freak out. sheesh
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21:02<_budo>the books are linguistically incorrect and people use words interchangeably that are not technically the same
21:03<psypher>agreed young padiwon
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21:06<psypher>Somewhat a quandry to many I assume
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21:07<psypher>I will favor a blow job from a asian prostitute.
21:07<retroj>n/m, guess I misinterpretted. well thanks guys!
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21:10<zhengyi>hey folks, any idea why an aptitude update on a copy of sid might report a bad sig error on a bunch of packages just now?
21:11<abrotman>bad mirror sync ?
21:11<zhengyi>could be: all my sources point to
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21:11<zhengyi>alrighty, we'll see what says instead
21:12<zhengyi>thanks for the thought
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21:13<_budo>hopefully one day i will write a book that explains linux in a comprehensive, accurate, and logical manner
21:13<_budo>you have to flip through a 100 webpages and 5 books just to get a right understanding
21:13<kop>zhengyi: I've had trouble with my mirror lately. It's due to problems with and cnames such as
21:14<zhengyi>kop: thanks, I'll look at that too
21:14<zhengyi>first I gotta get WANDisco to admit that one of the machines has left the cluster first, though :(
21:15<kop>_budo: Have you read the debian reference? Beyond that, there's ~18,000 packages and 40 years of Unix development and 30ish years of Internet development so you can expect the subject to be broad.
21:16<kop>zhengyi: Your mirror may be downstream. But I wouldn't expect you'd run into the problems unless you're mirroring everything.
21:17<_budo>ive read lot and manuals, books, websites maybe 5-8 hrs of day reading and toying with this thing
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21:17<_budo>still i dont think it cant be this difficult
21:17<_budo>has to be an easier way to learn this stuff
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21:18<_budo>5 - 8 hrs/day
21:18<kop>_budo: But there's a lot of crap out there. The canonical unix reference manual is The Unix System Administration Handbook.
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21:18<_budo>ok, ill check it out
21:18<kop>_budo: Well, maybe not a reference manual, but it's the book. Or so they say.
21:19<_budo>who is it written by, you know?
21:19<_budo>ok, thanks
21:20<abrotman>ESA isn't bad either
21:22<kop>abrotman: ?
21:22<_budo>they have a Linux Edition too......would u recommend that one instead ?
21:23<kop>_budo: I've always just read the man pages.
21:23<kop>_budo: But then, I've had collegues to talk with as well.
21:23<_budo>its still little hard for me to understand the man pages
21:24<_budo>i think i need a programming background to understand the man pages
21:25<abrotman>kop: the oreilly book
21:25<kop>_budo: You probably should tell the channel what it is you're trying to do with Linux/your computer. Somebody doing embedded programming needs different info than somebody who's running a music recording studio.
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21:26<kop>abrotman: In my experience OReilly is always worth reading.
21:26<_budo>i want to be a sysnetwork admin
21:26<kop>_budo: You need to understand networking then as well as system admin stuff.
21:26<_budo>so i need to know lil bit of everything
21:26<kop>_budo: You also should know how to program.
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21:27<zhengyi>_budo: if that's what you want, you're going to spend the rest of your life (or at least your career) reading all those thousands of man pages and webpages and whatnot
21:27<_budo>yeah i know
21:27<_budo>: )
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21:28<adb>_budo: how long using linux yet ?
21:29<_budo>2 months
21:30<_budo>i needed that codec to watch this video tutorial on C programming
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21:32<zhengyi>speaking strictly for myself, when I started using linux in 98, I didn't cut over full time -- still used Win95 a lot, and spent a lot of time building, messing with, breaking, and rebuilding a Slackware 3.x box
21:32<zhengyi>cutting over wholesale would have been much more painful
21:32<zhengyi>and being willing to break and rebuild was... liberating
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21:33<zhengyi>it also burned certain procedures into my brain, some of which are still (occasionally) useful 10 years later :)
21:34<_budo>: )
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21:36<_budo>i was doing running liunx in a virtual machine until the thought occurred to me that i will never truly learn this unless i do away with windows completely
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21:37<mcastaneda>alguien habla español ?
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21:38<zhengyi>IME, that's not necessarily true... but I got more out of two months *in* china, than I had gotten in 3 years of chinese class before that, so there *is* something to be said for immersion
21:38<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:41<mcastaneda>tank you
21:41<zhengyi>de nada, compa
21:41<mcastaneda>I will going to other channel
21:44<Zylvain>i recently have my wifi (madwifi drivers) stop working after a reboot
21:44<Zylvain>i'm struggling to make it work and now i've just lost eth0 also
21:45<Zylvain>anyone knows how to activate the eth0 from console ?
21:45<Zylvain>eth0 is not in the ifconfig output
21:45<Zylvain>neither ifconfig -a
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21:46<adb>dpkg: tell Zylvain -about 70
21:46<TomB>anyone using xorg 7.4 from unstable?
21:47<adb>i used for 1 day ..
21:47<Zylvain>adb: sorry i dont get your meaning
21:48<adb>i used it one day
21:51<Zylvain>how can i load drivers for seeing eth0 in ifconfig -a ?
21:51<Zylvain>i just thought this were built-in
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21:51<kop>Zylvain: You didn't read what adb told dpkg to tell you
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21:53<Zylvain>dpkg: tell me -about 70
21:53<Zylvain>dpkg: (please)
21:53<dpkg>Zylvain: I don't know, could you explain it?
21:53<Zylvain>no output...
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21:54<kop>Zylvain: Dpkg is a bot. You /msg it when you want to talk with it, e.g. /msg dpkg 70
21:54<Zylvain>dpkg: i lost eth0
21:54<dpkg>Zylvain: are you smoking crack?
21:54<Zylvain>kop: oh ok
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21:57<Zylvain>adb: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules contains the eth0 line, and also ath0 and wlan0, no others
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21:58<adb>seems missing "auto eth0" in interfaces ..
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21:59<warrior238>hello to all
21:59<rmack>Is openswan the best way to connect two remote computers under Debian?
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22:00<Zylvain>adb: ifconfig -a should give me eth0 if the peripheral is detected, independently of /etc/network/interfaces
22:00<Zylvain>i'll add allow-hotplug eth0 and reboot...
22:01<warrior238>how can solve it prolem ERROR: failed to mkdir /usr/share/php/doc/phing/example
22:01<Xenguy>rmack: depends on your needs (define "connect" ;-) ssh is simpler for example
22:01<TomB>okay, about this xorg 7.4...
22:01<TomB>I am using it with the radeonhd driver
22:01<rmack>Xenguy: what's the best way to ssh between remote computers? I just want to help my friend do updates, etc.
22:02<TomB>and when I try to play a video full screen mplayer tells me my system is too slow
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22:02<TomB>with 7.3 it works just fine
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22:03<Zylvain>no still the same
22:03<warrior238>hello to all have a problem i am trying install Phing in debian and me occurs it failure
22:04<Zylvain>when: ifup eth0, i get SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
22:04<Xenguy>rmack: updates require root access, yes? And do you need command-line access to his PC, or GUI access?
22:04<warrior238>ERROR: failed to mkdir /usr/share/php/doc/phing/example
22:04<warrior238>owe the help
22:05<abrotman>what is Phing ?
22:05<rmack>Xenguy: All I need to CLI access. As root. As I set the computer up, I know the root password.
22:05<warrior238>is a pakcage
22:05<warrior238>for working with propel
22:05<rmack>Dave is 67 and likes Linux, but he needs help with a few things. I live 12 miles away and don't drive.
22:06<Xenguy>rmack: then your pal just needs openssh installed (server and client is simplest), then lets you know his IP addy, and you ssh in, etc.
22:06<warrior238>which is a framework for php
22:06<Xenguy>rmack: he needs to create an account for you to login as I suppose
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22:07<rmack>Xenguy: his NIC HW address? Or the IP issued by his ISP?
22:07<Xenguy>rmack: or you can login using his userid in a pinch
22:07<Xenguy>rmack: just his IP (he can use 'ifconfig' to reveal his current IP)
22:08<Xenguy>rmack: you need openssh client installed of course
22:08<rmack>Xenguy: Yes, I can create a user as rmack on his computer when he brings it over next Tuesday.
22:08<abrotman>rmack: you can do a reverse ssh sessoin
22:09<Xenguy>rmack: abrotman always knows what he's talking about (even if I don't ;-)
22:09<rmack>abrotman: Interesting. What is that?
22:09<Zylvain>it's since i installed 2.6.30
22:10<rmack>I'm on a new Liquorix kernel.
22:10<Zylvain>i booted back on 2.6.26, and no eth0 anymore on this kernel
22:10<Zylvain>on 2.6.30, i can see eth0
22:10<Zylvain>but my madwifi doesn't work anymore
22:10<Zylvain>iwconfig: no ath0...
22:11<rmack>so the syntax might be: ssh
22:11<Xenguy>rmack: usually it's a bad idea to ssh as root...
22:11<Xenguy>rmack: so you login as a regular user, then 'su -' to root
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22:12<rmack>Oh, then I can log on as me and become root?
22:12<rmack>Oh, yes.
22:12<Xenguy>rmack: yep
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22:13<rmack>Do I have do to any voodoo port forwarding, or complicated stuff for ssh to work remotely?
22:13<rmack>abrotman: TY!
22:14<Xenguy>rmack: just try it and see if it works I'd say
22:14<Xenguy>rmack: most of the time it will be straightforward
22:14<rmack>Xenguy: You've done it?
22:16<rmack>Well, of course it works, it's worked for twenty years, prabably.
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22:18<Xenguy>rmack: I do ssh sessions everyday, it's dead simple, unless he's got some kind of more complicated NAT setup
22:18<Xenguy>rmack: abrotman's URL is more advanced stuff than what I'm talking about BTW
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22:19<abrotman>and ?
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22:20<rmack>Just one problem: The other computer (for testing) has ip6 results from ifconfig
22:20<Xenguy>rmack: your pal needs to have openssh-server installed
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22:20<Xenguy>rmack: I know nothing about ip6
22:20<rmack>Xenguy: Yes.
22:20*abrotman votes for abrotman's method
22:20<Xenguy>abrotman: I'm just saying :-)
22:20<abrotman>he'd be done by now :)
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22:21<Xenguy>abrotman: maybe ;-)
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22:50<muntee>I pinned some packages in synaptic but apt-get still wants to upgrade them.
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22:52<rmack>Looks like I have a problem: the ifconfig shows only a LAN address of ----> no way to ssh remotely to that, is there?
22:53<k1lumin4t1>muntee, you need to pin them in /etc/apt/preferences
22:53<k1lumin4t1>muntee, or aply a hold to them
22:53<rmack>Xenguy: Looks like I have a problem: the ifconfig shows only a LAN address of ----> no way to ssh remotely to that, is there?
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22:56<chealer>muntee: synaptic's hold is non-standard
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22:57<rmack>hmmmm. I see inconsistencies between nearly identical Debian testing installs. Different results in format for ifconfig.
22:59<chealer>rmack: there may be
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23:00<rmack>chealer: I'm trying to discover the ip addr so I can ssh to a remote computer. I'm dry running a test procedure to do that locally.
23:00<rmack>But the ip address doesn't show
23:01<Xenguy>rmack: running ifconfig as root
23:01<rmack>I did. On one comp I get (a real dotted ip)
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23:02<rmack>on another I got only a LAN address of 192.168. etc.etc.
23:02<rmack>Now why would that be?
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23:02<Xenguy>rmack: one PC is a gateway, and the other is not?
23:03<rmack>Xenguy I have a linksys WRT54G router as gateway.
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23:04<Xenguy>rmack: hrm, I don't use a router, so I guess I'm a bit old-school. Is your pal using a router?
23:04<rmack>Yes, he is using a router.
23:05<Xenguy>hrm, perhaps someone here with a similar setup can comment on ssh'ing to their PC from a remote box?
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23:06<rmack>Yes, that would prove informative.
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23:07<Xenguy>I guess the question is: Is it possible to ssh from a remote box to a PC using a router, without using port forwarding?
23:09<burnclouds>A ---ssh--->router----->B ?
23:09<rmack>burnclouds: Yes
23:09<burnclouds>I don't think there is an easy way.
23:09<rmack>That's what I was afraod of.
23:09<burnclouds>B would have to first establish a connection to A.
23:10<rmack>OK ... as in..?
23:10<burnclouds>Network Address Translation (NAT) is going to be your big problem
23:10<rmack>Oh Lordy.
23:11<Xenguy>.oO(Is it possible to ditch the router temporarily?)
23:11<burnclouds>if your buddy is only using one computer you might just be able to hardwire with out the router in place.
23:11<rmack>Xenguy: that would a hugh Pain
23:11<Xenguy>.oO(but it's probably a router/modem)
23:11<muntee>why not forward the port?
23:12<rmack>I don't know how to do that.
23:12<muntee>go to the router's ip
23:12<burnclouds>just by-pass the router for a short term temporary thing.
23:12<rmack>I know how to access router
23:12<burnclouds>or set up port forward
23:12<muntee>yeah, it should have a menu option for port forwarding
23:13<rmack>Oh. and I want port 22 (ssh)?
23:13<muntee>22 -> comp:22
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23:14<burnclouds>where comp is the IPv4 address (internal ip or something)
23:14<Sakrhass>I need some help with VDR pls, I installed on lenny with some plugins I just don't have remote and I'd like to use Keyboard
23:15<rmack>(They sure don't make ssh remote easy)
23:17<rmack>Oh, well. Later. I'm out of here. Thanks for the help.
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23:29<mangospork>So, I upgraded to the newest kernel, in testing. To use the nvidia graphics. I had to build from source, rite? So. I used the command. apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common then m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
23:29<mangospork>My output was
23:29<mangospork>Maybe somebody can help.
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23:32<chealer>mangospork: yeah. use the sid drivers
23:32<rmack>mangospork: ever use sgfxi to install the nVidia drivers? It's a foolproof and easy way.
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23:33<mangospork>So, just apt-get install sgfxi ?
23:34<mangospork>Okay, so how do I use it?
23:34<rmack>Google smxi and download the suite
23:34<rmack>Google smxi script and download the suite
23:34<rmack>one sec.
23:35<mangospork>Yeah, I'm a noobie to debian. Thanks a bunch if you can help me.
23:35<mangospork>I was on gentoo for a long time.
23:35<chealer>mangospork: no, sgfxi is some third-party crap. ignore it.
23:36<mangospork>chealer, then how do you do it?
23:36<chealer>mangospork: use the sid drivers
23:36<mangospork>chealer: Which are?
23:36<mangospork>libsid? or what? I'm sorry.
23:37<chealer>mangospork: they're the same drivers. you just use the sid/unstable version.
23:37<rmack>why is h2's sgfxi script crappy?
23:37<chealer>!tell mangospork about tum
23:38<rmack>mangospork: are you using sid?
23:38<rmack>sidux is not entirely supported by smxi and sgfxi, AFAIK
23:39<Nemoder>chealer: does the sid nvidia driver package work with the 2.6.30 kernel package in testing?
23:39<rmack>I don't want you to bork your install.
23:39<rmack>Listen to chealer, he knows what to do.
23:39<mangospork>chealer: I'm on 2.6.30, does that matter?
23:40<chealer>Nemoder: there are several, but the sid versions of those present in testing do work
23:41<chealer>mangospork: well, it matters in that it explains your issues. you have to use the sid nvidia drivers with that.
23:42<rmack>mangospork: are you sure that running sidux is what you really want to do?
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23:42<mangospork>I just want it to flipping work, rmack.
23:42<rmack>mangospork: wouldn't testing/squeeze be a lot safer, less volatile, etc?
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23:43<rmack>mangospork: wouldn't Debian testing/squeeze be a lot safer, less volatile, etc?
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23:43<mangospork>Sidux ?
23:43<mangospork>Isn't that another distro?
23:43<rmack>No they are all flavors or Debian
23:43<Danny_>pl0x halp with pr0bl3mz
23:43<Danny_>pl0x halp with pr0bl3mz
23:43<Danny_>pl0x halp with pr0bl3mz
23:43<Danny_>pl0x halp with pr0bl3mz
23:43<Danny_>pl0x halp with pr0bl3mz
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23:44<chealer>rmack: [23:29:28] <mangospork> So, I upgraded to the newest kernel, in testing.
23:44<rmack>Debian etch, lenny (just went stable) and squeeze.
23:44<dpkg>somebody said sidux was a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on
23:44<chealer>rmack: sidux is not a flavor of Debian.
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23:44<rmack>I see.
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23:45<rmack>well, mago, my heartfelt advice is to use Debian squeeze / testing
23:46<sney>squeeze is the best!
23:46<rmack>or maybe Debian lenny which just went stable.
23:46<rmack>There you go!
23:46<sney>do we have a guy using sid for no reason?
23:46<rmack>that's off topic
23:46<rmack>what can I tell you?
23:46<Nemoder>sid is not offtopic, sidux is
23:46<Nemoder>and no, he is using testing but needs a driver from sid
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23:47<sney>what kernels are in sid these days? even testing already has 2.6.30
23:47<rmack>why doesn't he just use sgfxi?
23:47<Nemoder>testing has 2.6.30 but it doesn't have an nvidia driver to go with it
23:47<stew>sney: /msg judd kernels
23:47<rmack>It's written for Debian.
23:47<sney>yeah yeah I'm just lazy
23:47<Nemoder>at least not a fully accelerated one :P
23:48<rmack>so you use the latest nVidia driver that you can, according sgfxi
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23:49<rmack>unless someone knows why sgfxi is NFG, that is an easy way to get the correct driver.
23:49<sney>a the "debian way" methods to install proprietary graphics drivers are broken as of 2.6.30 because the layout of the kernel includes has changed
23:50<sney>at least, it is for nvidia. there's a bug in the BTS, they're working on it
23:50<rmack>cd /usr/local/bin && wget -Nc && unzip && smxi
23:50<rmack>as root
23:50<rmack>and with unxip previously installed.
23:51<rmack>But you want to run sgfxi, not smxi
23:51<rmack>It's part of the same package.
23:51<rmack>I've used to 100 x.
23:51<mangospork>chealer: So, after I have sid.
23:52<rmack>never had a crash, never had an error
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23:52<mangospork>chealer: Then, apt-get -t sid install "what-goes-here-for-it-to-work"
23:52<chealer>mangospork: you do *not* "want sid". you want a testing/unstable *mix*
23:52<mangospork>Then what do I do?
23:53<mangospork>Sorry if I'm sounding like an idiot.
23:53<rmack>(hehe.. you'll love this.)
23:53<mangospork>I want to hear what to do from chealer, no offence rmack.
23:53<rmack>go for it!
23:53<chealer>mangospork: start with nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
23:53<mangospork>with sid? Or...
23:53<mangospork>m-a ?
23:54<mangospork>I did that, but it didn't work correctly.
23:54<chealer>mangospork: with apt-get
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23:54<mangospork>I just did that.
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23:54<mangospork>Nao what?
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23:56<chealer>mangospork: now you should be able to go through step 2. see you at step 3
23:57<mangospork>Okay, so.
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23:57<mangospork>I just did the apt-get install -t sid nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source, then I rebooted. Now?
23:57<chealer>rmack: I'm honestly just assuming that sgfxi is as crappy as other magical nvidia installation scripts. I don't really feel like auditing a 137 kB shell script.
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23:57<chealer>mangospork: now you do step 2. no need to reboot, BTW
23:57<rmack>But I have had good results with it, chealer.
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