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---Logopened Fri Aug 21 00:00:17 2009
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00:00<chealer>rmack: that's also what people say about nvidia-installer
00:00<rmack>note those instructions well, magospork, because everytime you du (dist-upgrade) you will have to re-install the nVidia drivers.
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00:03<rmack>well, it's his computer, he can do it the easy, safe way, or he can do it the hard and risky way.
00:03<rmack>Best of Luck!
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00:11<mangospork>dmesg is saying the kernel module is 185.18.14, though the client is 173.14.09
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00:13<chealer>rmack: FYI, IRC clients allow nickname-completion with "TAB"
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00:13<chealer>mangospork: which nvidia chipset do you use?
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00:14<mangospork>I have a 9800 GT.
00:14<sney>hey, me too!
00:14<sney>er mine's a GTX
00:14<mangospork>I got it working
00:14<mangospork>I LOVE YOU
00:15<chealer>!congratulate mangospork
00:15<dpkg>Good show mangospork, you did it!
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00:18<mangospork>thanks again.
00:18<mangospork>signing off irc.
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00:42<pachuchu>i just installaled xubuntu but i i dont have audio
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00:57<user_nasms>can anyone help? how can i install a package with a version < that the installed package? Like: i have a package installed version n, m<n, and i want to install version m
00:58<user_nasms>downgrade a package version... i have already downloaded the package i want install from lenny
00:59<IAMERROR>so you have the degraded package already
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00:59<user_nasms>yes, i want install
01:00<IAMERROR>have you tried just removing the program and installing from said packaged
01:00<user_nasms>remiving gives too much trouble
01:01<user_nasms>i just dpkg -i it...
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02:39<amp>hello, I have irssi from sid with default settings
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02:40<amp>a friend tries to send a file via DCC, but when I try /dcc get nick I get a "no file offered by nick" message
02:41<amp>are there some other settings needed?
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02:42<jmarsden>amp: If you are behind a router doing NAT, then yes. See for the principles.
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02:43<amp>jmarsden: thanks, will read that
02:43<jmarsden>No problem.
02:44<jm_>it's his end that needs dcc nat support, not yours
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02:47<amp>jm_: thanks, I see that in the doc from jmarsden
02:47<jm_>good doc then :)
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03:01<squelos>can any one help me ? I do websites in html/css/php, but i used to do them on dreamweaver, is there an equivilent on linux ?
03:01<squelos>And to try out my php scripts, can i install lamp ?
03:01<squelos>I found a guide to lamp, but its for servers, and its just the apache, php, mysql packages :/
03:02<jmarsden>squelos: There is no exact equivalent to DreamWeaver in Linux. And yes, you can install apache, php and mysql so you get a LAMP stack -- the L for Linux you already have if you are running Debian!)
03:03<squelos>yeah im running debian. But i dont think i installed the apache server and stuff like that at the setup. I just did a minimal install.
03:03<squelos>What would be the closest equivilent ? I tried bluefish, but i find it awkward to use :/
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03:04<squelos>and because i keep forgetting stuff, i need something to remind me :p. And i also like the previsualisation on dreamweaver.
03:04<jmarsden>squelos: You can run tasksel (in a root shell) and then install the web server and sql server tasks, so you end up with all the apache and mysql stuff installed.
03:05<squelos>ok. But wamp (under windows, obviously) had some function to emulate the server, will it be so easy with lamp, or will i just end up with a real server ?
03:07<jmarsden>I'm not sure I understand what you mean... on Debian you don't need to emulate anything, you can run Apache, MySQL and PHP natively.
03:07<jmarsden>For some HTML editor ideas, see
03:07<jmarsden>Worst case, run Windows in a virtual machine adn run DreamWeaver there, and publish your work out to the Debian machine
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03:09<digifor>my gnome and lxde icons have black diagonal lines in them. How can I fix?
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03:12<squelos>jmarsden: ok, ill try screem. If i dont like screem ill try wine and dreamweaver. :/
03:13<squelos>and what i meant is that lamp actually is the websever. WAMP isnt really, well i dont think it is.
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03:21<luis_>ubuntu en español?
03:21<jmarsden>luis_: /join #ubuntu-es on
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03:29<johanp_>is there anyone that has a source.list for network installing sarge
03:30<the-dude>johanp_: why do you want sarge?
03:30<johanp_>i have an application that do not support new version
03:31<johanp_>it is for internal use only, no internet access
03:31<the-dude>ah ok
03:31<gsimmons>dpkg: tell johanp_ -about sarge sources.list
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03:36<peej>I had icewm as my default. I used update-alternatives --config x-window-manager to try and make it kwin. It's still starting up icewm. Do I need to run something extra to "set" things?
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03:37<jm_>peej: to use KDE change x-session-manager instead
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03:41<peej>jm_ : thanks. Why did you say "instead"? (Did you mean "also"?)
03:41<peej>Is x-window-manager obsolete?
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03:42<jm_>peej: no, default session scripts first start x-session-manger, then x-window-manager and finally x-terminal-emulator
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03:42<jm_>peej: and kde falls under session manager
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03:48<peej>I'm looking through, and secton 11.8.4 Packages providing a window manager. Is there anywhere you know of where what you said is documented/elaborated on? (x-session-manager->x-window-manager->x-terminal-emulator) ?
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03:49<jm_>not that I know, you can see it in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50xfree86-common_determine-startup
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03:51<jm_>I should have said look for, not start - they start whichever was first found
03:51<peej>yup (/etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common_determine-startup on lenny)
03:51<jm_>doh I have old files left
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03:52<jm_>but it's the same thing indeed
03:52<jm_>i wonder why it was not removed
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03:53<jm_>that's why: rc xfree86-common 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure
03:53<peej>I'm trying to get my head around this. Ok. Look for.
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03:53<jm_>you can also override it via ~/.xsession
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03:55<peej>jm_ : what does startkde (x-session-manager) do compared with kwin (x-window-manager)?
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03:56<jm_>peej: I have no idea, looking in the script it does/starts a lot
03:56<peej>and for that matter, now I'm wondering what icewm-session (x-session-manager) does cf icewm (x-window-manager)...
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03:57<jm_>it enables other stuff such as tray
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03:57<jm_>equivalent of starting icewm-session yourself I believe
03:57*peej has a look see...
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04:05<peej>debian icewm manpage says: icewm-session (can be run as part of .xsession) as primary window manager - will launch ice, add icewm paraphernalia. OTOH icewm is meant as the invocation for part of another x-session-manager like gnome/kde. (though icewm is a bigger binary)
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04:12<peej>similarly I guess startkde is primary option, kwin is invocation for running under
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04:20<pleb2>Hi, anyone know anything about scsi problems in dmesg???
04:20<peej>okay, I got it. the session-manager is like a wrapper for the window-manager. Keeps track of the apps running in it. Which is why you can save a kde-session and resume it etc.
04:21<peej>(if you start with a startkde)
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04:28<rockroach>Hi, I'm curious as to the reason for the release of the Debian 5.0.2a ISOs?
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04:32<gsimmons>rockroach: See the explanation on
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04:34<rockroach>Cool! Thank you gsimmons. I didn't now those notes where available and my googling didn't pick it up either. :-)
04:34<rockroach>I'll bookmark it and look for similar notes in future.
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04:45<pleb2>My Dmesg is full of : scsi 0:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device
04:46<pleb2>but everything on the server is reading / writing fine... the raid5 array is healthy and when i do lsscsi there is no Scsi 0:0:0:0
04:46<pleb2>which i probs the point
04:46<pleb2>but you know, there never was :P
04:47<jm_>check /sys/bus/scsi/devices to see which is 0:0:0;0
04:49<pleb2>jm_ there isnt anything listen
04:49<pleb2>and there never was :S
04:49<pleb2>only 1:0:0:0 which is my USB CDROM
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04:51<jm_>I wonder why it would list that device then
04:51<pleb2>it confuses me too
04:52<pleb2>its stopped now
04:52<pleb2>I do have virtual machines on the server
04:52<pleb2>but they are still running now, and are still writing to the drive as much as they were yesterday
04:52<pleb2>at an average of about 5MBPS
04:52<pleb2>IOTOP shows it
04:53<pleb2>still as much IO wait as yesterday, infact if anything theres more activity than their was yesterday
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05:17<tarzeau>was someone able to install the security update of pidgin on amd64 linux?
05:17<tarzeau>on 32-bit x86 linux it installed fine but on 64-bit amd64 it says the problem i mentioned a few days ago
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05:18<azeem>tarzeau: please don't cross-post
05:18<azeem>tarzeau: what's the bug number?
05:19<tarzeau>azeem: yes sorry i was in the wrong channel
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05:19<tarzeau>azeem: i'm trying to install the manually downloaded deb packages now. let me see what happens then
05:19<mwiegand>Another quick question from me, hopefully as easy as the last one: What is prefered way of creating a user during package installation? Is there a debhelper for that?
05:20<tarzeau>azeem: indeed even then it's a problem (with the versioned dependencies), seems like pabs said
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05:21<gsimmons>tarzeau: There will be a rebuild of the package soon (to correct #542586), see . You can alternatively use a backported version from
05:22<tarzeau>gsimmons: ah no it's fine. i don't think the bug is critical. well *I* don't use pidgin
05:23<tarzeau>if one of the other 3000 users does, and get hacked, their account will be shut :)
05:23<tarzeau>mwiegand: check a package that does that:
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05:24<tarzeau>mwiegand: motion, stunnel4, hobbit, saned...
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05:24<tarzeau>mwiegand: it's usually done with post/pre install/remove scripts, not dh_*
05:24<mwiegand>tarzeau: Good point. Thank you, I'll look there.
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05:50<OKButton>hi all I got a problem with an intel 82801 chipset when I do lspci I see all the intel bits n bobs but with unknown device against them. I am running a 2.6.24 kernel and I think I have compiled in the right stuff. any ideas
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05:51<jm_>OKButton: run update-pciids
05:51<OKButton>what will this do?
05:51<dpkg><FrozenSpoon> okay. 3.0 woody. I assume a direct woody->etch upgrade should be fairly smooth?
05:52<jm_>man update-pciids
05:53<OKButton>arr ok cheers
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06:01<OKButton>is update-pciids a debian only command. as I am building the kernel on a debian box but it is being used on a rather custom hibrid debian install with didnt have a /usr/share/misc/pci.ids file before I put one there?
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06:05<jm_>it's in pci utilities package
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06:10<jm_>(upstream package, not debian)
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06:11<themill>OKButton: update-pciids is only used to make the output of lspci pretty; it's not actually that crucial. You can also just paste lspci -nn into
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06:12<jm_>it can handle -nn too?
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06:15<themill>hmmm it used to
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06:19<xeon-enouf>themill: that was probably at a time prior to -nn actually doing something other than what it does now
06:20<xeon-enouf>themill: i've noticed some people's -nn output only listing typical -n output - not sure which versions, or .. if they were just using debian-based derivatives
06:20<themill>xeon-enouf: if the device isn't listed in the pci.ids file then it doesn't get a name so the output looks the same
06:21<xeon-enouf>themill: rather than (something ... Unknown) ? that doesn't seem correct in my experience
06:22<themill>xeon-enouf: ahh ... true, the output format has changed a number of times
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06:22<xeon-enouf>themill: i mean, how likely would someone's ENTIRE lspci -nn output not know any possible deviceID/vendorIDs ?
06:22<xeon-enouf>ok ;-)
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06:24<AxxxA>hey guys
06:24<AxxxA>i need some halp
06:24<xeon-enouf>and like for e.g.: the -k option isn't in Lenny's version of pciutils, IINM
06:24<xeon-enouf>(or wasn't at time of releasr)
06:24<AxxxA>my debian isn't reading my new memory stick
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06:25<AxxxA>can someone please help me?
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06:26<markrian>AxxxA: describe the problem in more detail
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06:27<AxxxA>I bought a new kingston 8gb memory card
06:27<xeon-enouf>ugh - a u3 perhaps?
06:28<AxxxA>i plugged it into my computer which is running debian 2.6.18-6-686
06:28<xeon-enouf>see what dmesg | tail can tell us/you
06:28<xeon-enouf>i'd say try a new kernel ...heh
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06:32<kubcho>fuck off
06:32<azeem>kubcho: do you have a Debian question?
06:32<dr|z3d>!ops kubcho took a wrong tunr
06:32<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: kubcho took a wrong tunr
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06:32<azeem>dr|z3d: thanks for notifying me
06:33<dr|z3d>Ah, you were on it.. sorry.
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06:41<buffoon>hi! I have a problem with nsupdate. I start it with the options -dvk <keyfile> and then put in the 2 commands with this output:
06:41<buffoon>and the logs seem to be quiet...
06:41<buffoon>any suggestions?
06:42<AxxxA>roll the logs
06:44<buffoon>hmm, could you tell me which one? I just found some ouptut in /var/log/syslog about bind9 and dhcp and no others...
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07:00<skandaleras>nick lcanas
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07:02<andrew>off topic my asshole
07:02<andrew>why does the deb nerds drop me in server i don't need?
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07:05<tux11>drop fat packets
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07:24<dehqan>good day everybody ; how can be a mp3 be played for anotherone in chat in pidgin app ?
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07:27<dehqan>in yahoo messenger with voice conference this work was possible ..
07:27<dehqan>now in pidgin
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07:28<dehqan>a mp3 that is playing in debian how can be played for friend in chat ?
07:30<emma>im new to irc and using debian if i ask a question here would someone be able to help?
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07:30<jm_>!tell emma -about ask
07:30<dehqan>any opinion ,thanks but it's urgent
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07:32<dehqan>ama in filme hazrate eesa khob albate bedune music e matnesh
07:32<emma>ask sounds good what is it?
07:33<cahoot>emma: just put your question - if someone has an answer you'll probably get a response
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07:34<dr|z3d>emma; Read your private messages, digest the advice, and then frame a question.
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07:35<dehqan>play for another one in chat conference a mp3 that is playing with e.g mplayer ...
07:37<dr|z3d>dehqan: Try Skype.
07:38<emma>i have a screen resolution problem i don't have the option for 1024x768
07:38<emma>i have tried xrandr
07:38<emma>that doesn't give the option either
07:38<jm_>emma: in Lenny X server is auto-configured based on what hardware says it can do, it uses the best mode
07:39<emma>i know the screen can do 1024x768
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07:39<emma>but it only lets me do 800x600
07:39<jm_>if you are sure it can do that it's probably best to write xorg.conf with that as your default mode
07:39<emma>i wrote the xorg.conf file
07:40<emma>but somethings wrong as it's ignoring it
07:40<jm_>check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
07:40<cahoot>you might need create a 'modeline' using f ex gtf
07:41<emma>ok give me a few mins to try these suggestions out
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07:41<jm_>counter started
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07:48<Lethalman>I'm getting "superblock last mount is in the future" all the time my pc doesn't close correctly
07:48<Lethalman>so on boot I always have to do fsck
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07:49<xeon-enouf>check your BIOS clock - and /msg dpkg set the time
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07:49<emma>ok i don't have permission to view the log, i tried it as a su user
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07:50<Xzone>hey guys, I have debian installed on entire hard drive, is there a way to free up space and install other os on it with dual boot?
07:50<xeon-enouf>the hwclock{first}.sh might be doing something funny, or you have no /dev/rtc* ? check dmesg too
07:51<Lethalman>xeon-enouf, thanks
07:51<xeon-enouf>emma: add your user to 'adm' group
07:51<Lethalman>I have rtc*
07:51<xeon-enouf>emma: should then allow you access to most logs without extra (su/sudo) perms
07:51<Xzone>so basicaly i want to repartition it without damaging Debian, and grub needs to work somehow
07:51<emma>how do i add myself, i am very new to this
07:52<xeon-enouf>Xzone: the debian installer will let you resize/copy, etc ;-)
07:52<jm_>the X logfile is readable by users
07:52<Lethalman>xeon-enouf, should i set UTC in rcS?
07:52<Lethalman>I'm in Rome
07:52*Lethalman never understood utc, cest, etc.
07:52<Xzone>xeon-enouf, i already have debian installed, dont want to erase it
07:52<jm_>Lethalman: you set UTC based on what time is set in the BIOS
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07:52<Xzone>just need to free up some unpartitioned space
07:53<xeon-enouf>jm_: true - i didn't bother looking, but adm should be added anyway, IMHO ;-)
07:53<Lethalman>jm_, i have rome timezone, and `date' is CEST
07:53<Lethalman>and in rcS is UTC
07:53<Lethalman>I haven't checked BIOS yet
07:53<Lethalman>hwclock is ok
07:54<jm_>Lethalman: also, adding --directisa to might make it work if it doesn't work as it is now
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07:54<Lethalman>jm_, it always worked some time ago
07:54<Lethalman>I don't remember when it broke
07:54<xeon-enouf>Lethalman: yeah, UTC should work fine -- is that a Virtual Environment boot?
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07:55<Lethalman>xeon-enouf, ops I was wrong... UTC=no in rcS... no it's my real machine
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07:56<Xzone>so is there a way to free some unpartitioned space from already partitioned debian system where I dont want to harm the installation?
07:56<Lethalman>it might be a problem in bios then
07:57<emma>ill be back in a sec friends just came over
07:57<xeon-enouf>Xzone: PartitionType / FStype dependent as to how and what you need to do
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07:58<xeon-enouf>there's livecds you could boot and use; sysresccd, parted magic, parted, gparted, etc etc
07:58<jm_>Xzone: there are tools to resize fs yes
07:58<Lethalman>last mount time viewed from tune2fs is right
07:58<Xzone>jm_, what's the safest and easiest tool? gui preferred
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07:59<xeon-enouf>Lethalman: well, have you used tune2fs to alter standard default settings? which FS? ext2/3 or 4?
07:59<Lethalman>never used it
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08:00<Lethalman>I think it's happening since a couple of months
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08:00<jm_>Xzone: maybe gparted/qtparted or something similar
08:01<xeon-enouf>ok- check BIOS is all ican say - i had to run hwclock --hctosys (or --systohc) a few times to invert my UTC :-)
08:01<xeon-enouf>or--directisa as jm_ mentioned
08:01<jm_>Lethalman: it might be your battery is bad and CMOS clock is wrong when you power on etc.
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08:02<Lethalman>ok thanks I'll check at next boot
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08:04<xeon-enouf>Xzone: make backups of important shit prior to anything ;-)
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08:44<squelos>how can i run dreamweaver on my debian 64 ?
08:44<rudi_s>squelos: wine?
08:45<squelos>yeah but is there any other way ?
08:45<squelos>someone told me to run a virtual windows
08:45<squelos>was he talking about wine ?
08:46<rudi_s>squelos: wine simulates the windows API so you can run Windows programs on Linux. You could also run a complete windows through a virtual machine like qemu or Virtualbox.
08:47<mldonkey>you can try VMWare
08:47<mldonkey>or VirtualBox
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08:48<squelos>ok, i know wine, but i didnt know about virtualbox
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08:48<jm_>or qemu
08:48<mldonkey>but if you are looking for a software for web develop
08:48<Lethalman>ok it happened again
08:48<mldonkey>i suggests quanta+
08:48<Lethalman>bios time looks ok
08:48<Lethalman>it dropped me to a maintenance shell
08:49<mldonkey>or maybe nvu
08:49<Lethalman>tune2fs says last mount time is prior to hwclock
08:49<squelos>will photoshop cs 2 work with no problem ?
08:49<mldonkey>nvu is similar to dreamweaver
08:49<abraham>Lethalman, dpkg-reconfigure time
08:50<squelos>yeah i tried quanta +, but i didnt like it.
08:50<jm_>Lethalman: try using --directisa then
08:50<mldonkey>in wine or vmware/virtualbox?
08:50<squelos>in virtualbox.
08:50<Lethalman>jm_, should I use that in
08:50<squelos>with wine i had trouble running some games etc ..
08:50<jm_>Lethalman: yup
08:50<mldonkey>i run photoshop in vmware
08:50<cahoot>squelos: windows apps are often best run in their native environment
08:51<mldonkey>it go fine if you don't work with huge pictures
08:51<squelos>i know, but windows pisses me off.
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08:51<squelos>just fed up with windows.
08:51<mldonkey>did you try gimp
08:51<abraham>squelos, learn the gimp
08:51<squelos>i might try the windows 7 once the download is finished
08:51<squelos>yeah, but the gimp is too weird.
08:51<abraham>i like gimp
08:51<cahoot>like linux?
08:52<squelos>i tried bluefish, screem, quanta +, but i dont really like either of them
08:52<mldonkey>yeah the first time
08:52<Lethalman>jm_, --directisa has the same output than without it
08:52<mldonkey>but i like more than photoshop
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08:52<Lethalman>from shell, with hwclock -r -D (--directisa)
08:53<abraham>microsoft office works in virtualbox
08:53<jm_>Lethalman: what did it set tiem to: System Clock set to: ... line
08:53<squelos> is virtualbox free ?
08:53<abraham>squelos, yes
08:53<mldonkey>i tried office 2003 in vmware too
08:53<mldonkey>works fine
08:53<Lethalman>jm_, i don't find that line
08:53<jm_>Lethalman: try enabling bootlogd
08:54<mldonkey>i must go on
08:54<abraham>there is ose and regular, ose is in the repos and has no usb support the regular is available from the website
08:54<Lethalman>jm_, ok I'll do on next crash :(
08:55<jm_>Lethalman: no no, do it before you poweroff so you'll have it the next time
08:55<Lethalman>yes I've enabled it
08:55<Lethalman>I mean I'll feedback here for the next boot :)
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09:12<squelos>which one should i get ? virtualbox or vmware ?
09:12<abraham>i use virtualbox because i trust sun
09:12<Lethalman>abraham, it's oracle now :)
09:13<Lethalman>don't you know oracle bought sun?
09:13<CissWit>i use vmware because a friend make it works for me :D
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09:13<abraham>i didnt know that
09:13<squelos>cool, VB is even in the debian repos :D
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09:14<abraham>squelos, if you want usb support you have to get the one from the website, not ose from the repos
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09:15<squelos>usb support, as in keyboards, and mices etc ...?
09:15<abraham>and if you get it to get usb to work you have to edit a file. i can point you to the directions if you'd like
09:15<abraham>usb as in if you want to connect a webcam or ipod or such
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09:15<squelos>oh no.
09:15<abraham>the mouse and keyboard are emulated
09:16<squelos>ill just get the ones from the repos :)
09:16<abraham>for 3d support in games wine is better than bot
09:16<jidm>hi. mi front headphones jack are not working. I have this realtek alc882, which i heard there are some known issues regarding this. I appreciate any info about it.
09:16<abraham>but virtualbox is way faster than vmware too
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09:17<abraham>jidm, do you use gnome
09:17<jidm>abraham yes i do
09:17<jm_>probably best to ask on alsa mailin glist
09:17<squelos>jidm, i got the alc882, and i got no problems
09:17<squelos>all you have to do is go into the alsa controler
09:17<squelos>and check the side, front etc ...
09:18<squelos>and rulez
09:18<abraham>jidm, double click on the audio icon and click on preferences then enable the front and front mic then adjust the volume, its probably muted
09:18<jidm>squelos you can use your front audio output?
09:18<squelos>uh, the front audio output is just the same as the one at the back
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09:18<squelos>its just the case connected to the motherboard
09:18<jidm>squelos ha! it isn't
09:18<squelos>yes, its working
09:19<squelos>my headphones are on the front of my case.
09:19<squelos>and i got subwoofers etc ... working too
09:19<jidm>squelos ok thanks for the info!
09:19<squelos>you just need to check the right one.
09:19<jidm>i guess i'll try out little more
09:19<squelos>i even find the support is better on linux than windows
09:19<squelos>jidm, check your bios too
09:20<abraham>jidm, are you sure the front output is plugged into the board?
09:20<jidm>abraham at least it works on windows :(
09:20<abraham>then it should work
09:20<squelos>if its working for me it will work for you :)
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09:20<jidm>thnaks both abraham and squelos
09:21<squelos>abraham is the expert :p
09:21<abraham>you're welcome
09:22<abraham>squelos, do you have a stock kernel?
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09:22<squelos>im too stupid to build my own kernel
09:22<abraham>ok you should be fine with the virtualbox from the repos then
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09:23<squelos>abraham, when you cant even compile a package, how do you want to build a kernel ?
09:24<squelos>btw, can i save on a ext3 part ?
09:24<squelos>or do i need a fat32 partition ?
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09:24<abraham>it will create a virtual hard disk for you
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09:27<squelos>just need to get dreamweaver on now :p
09:27<squelos>here im gonna get a bit of fresh air
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09:34<ml|>abraham: doesn't non-ose version of vbox use usb by dafault without needing to do anything?
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09:36<abraham>ml|, you have to edit to get it to mount usb to the vbox group
09:36<abraham>ml|, i can point you to the part of the manual that gives directions
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09:39<ml|>abraham: ok, sure
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09:41<abraham>that should get you to the right area
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09:42<abraham>ml|, well if you go back to the top its under number 11 under linux hosts the link is called usb not working
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09:44<ml|>abraham: ok, i see it thanks
09:44<dennis_p>hm, aptitude connection failure
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09:46<dennis_p>I upgraded my debian chroot and i can launch kde 4.3 apps just fine but aptitude now says: E: Unable to parse package file /etc/apt/preferences (1)
09:46<dennis_p>what should i do?
09:47<azeem>dennis_p: fix that file
09:47*arw hello folks
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09:48<dennis_p>ah yes, is that a file system corruption? can i delete it? will aptitude crate a new one?
09:48<jidm>abraham guess what? it actually was unconnected for the inside :P
09:49<jidm>abraham maybe disconnected when carrying in a travel. Sound works great
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09:51<abraham>cool, im glad
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10:04<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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10:08<dennis_p>azeem: renamed file and aptitude works without error now. the file contained pin priority, which i was instructed to use 2 yrs ago.
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10:19<jthomas_sb_>I've installed Sid on my EeePC 900a laptop; when i use aptitude to install things, the "Writing extended state information... 6%" thing takes a very long time (5+ minutes). Is it just that this Atom chip is slower than what I should expect, or is there an issue somehow?
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10:20<squelos>hi, i get the error while trying to launch virtual box
10:20<cahoot> #debian-eeepc might know more
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10:20<dennis_p>that's very long but your cpu is much faster then mine
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10:23<dennis_p>i'd guess it's todo with your eeepc using chip disk (which is reordering data slowly) instead of a magnetic harddrive
10:23<jthomas_sb_>yes it seems odd to me
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10:23<bluesky>hi, i've set up a dkim solution on my server but when i send a html mail to a gmail address i've got this error : dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify)
10:24<bluesky>any idea ?
10:24<gsimmons>squelos: What is the error?
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10:26<gsimmons>dpkg: tell squelos -about vbox-install lenny
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10:28<emma>hello, im back sorry for being so long
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10:29<emma>ok, i have managed to open by xorg log file
10:29<emma>and have found the following: on 1024x768 it says hsync out of range
10:30<emma>and bad mode clock
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10:31<emma>on modeline it says not using 1024x768 coz it doesnt exist
10:31<emma>if i add a mode line will this clear my problem
10:31<cahoot>emma: did you create a 'modeline' using gtf ?
10:31<emma>no, how do i open gtf?
10:32<kubu>Any idea how i could put Pidgin into system try when i close it.
10:32<cahoot>emma: in terminal,e g gtf 1024 768 60
10:33<cahoot>emma: gtf by itself will display syntax etc
10:33<emma>ok ive done that
10:34<emma>should i now add that to the xorg file?
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10:35<cahoot>should go into Section "Monitor"
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10:38<bluesky>is there a dkim guru?
10:38<abraham>kubu, click on the systray icon
10:39<emma>ok ive done that going to do a restart and see what happens.
10:39<emma>will be back shortly, ty cahoot
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10:48<dehqan>good day every body ,how can to play music for someone in chat in linux ?
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10:57<dehqan>good day every body ,how can to play music for someone in chat in linux ?
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11:09<mwarning>hi, I like to install debian from usb stick using the net install iso.
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11:10<mwarning>I've read that I can do "cat boot.img > dev/sdb1" and then copy the iso file onto the image.
11:10<mwarning>but the image contains a partition that is only 32MB in size.
11:10<mwarning>And I can't put the iso file on it.
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11:11<mwarning>I use these instructions:
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11:16<mwarning>hm, I most have the wrong image..
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11:18<TBBle>Is there a channel for fglrx packaging questions?
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11:25<teebee>Anybody knows how to decode this strange problem on my laptop sata disk? :
11:25<teebee>ata exceptions
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11:30<abraham>teebee is that the setup disk?
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11:33<teebee>abraham not sure what you mean by setup disk. It's the disk in my laptop, only linux. It happens everytime I start the lappy. Then I have to force a poweroff and then next time it works.
11:33<jon_>hi everyone
11:34<teebee>hard disk
11:34<jon_>I got a problem: I got this HP 550 notebook and just installed debian, everything works fine except that ifconfig won't find the wlan-card
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11:34<abraham>teebee, was wondering if you had the system installed allready or if you were trying to install
11:35<emma>hi im back
11:35<abraham>teebee, i would try a delay option in grub
11:35<cahoot>emma: no luck?
11:35<abraham>see if that helps
11:35<emma>cahoot:yeah no luck
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11:36<emma>the modeline is in. but still doesnt have the option to change to 1024 768, or doesnt start up in that size.
11:36<teebee>Problem is that now it will work in any case. It's when the lappy is off for an hour or so. I'm not sure what physically happens (parking). But I'm writing down your advice; thanks
11:37<abraham>rootdelay=10 i think might help
11:37<cahoot>emma: discarded according to the log?
11:37<abraham>you add it to the kernel boot line
11:37<teebee>yes I know, been playing since decades with linux. Thanks again
11:37<abraham>you're welcome
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11:39<emma>there is no mode of this name, and hsync still out of range
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11:41<abraham>emma pastebin your xorg.conf
11:41<abraham>!tell emma about pastebin
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11:44<dpkg>hello, adb
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11:45<emma>Posting 44758 on pastebin is my xorg.conf
11:45<cahoot>emma: you need rephrase that
11:46<Ganneff>there are about 3 million different pastebins. try again.
11:46<emma>ok sorry lol
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11:46<emma>is that better?
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11:49<abraham>i meant the whole thing
11:49<abraham>that section looks alright
11:51<emma>there wasnt a x org file to begin with i had to write that all myself and im a complete beginner , 2 days now using a linux programme.
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11:51<emma>so that is all i have at the moment
11:51<abraham>thats the whole thing?
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11:51<emma>when i entered xorg conf it was blank
11:52<Vroomfon1le>xorg.conf tends to be very bare these days
11:52<Vroomfon1le>there's a lot of autoconfiguration supermagicmejiggets
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11:52<emma>unfortuately they arent working for me
11:52<abraham>ok emma
11:53<abraham>emma, rename your xorg.conf or delete it
11:53<abraham>emma, then run X -configure
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11:53<abraham>then mv ~/ /etc/X11/xorg.conf
11:54<abraham>then edit it as you need to
11:54<abraham>adding the modeline should be all you need to do
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11:55<emma>ok ty i will try that and ill be back shortly
11:55<abraham>good luck
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11:56<abraham>you're welcome
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11:59<fluor->hi there, what's the normal process for installing xorg in squeeze? I installed the xorg meta package, was never prompted with any questions, and have an empty xorg.conf as a result
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12:00<fluor->at least, what can I dpkg-reconfigure -p low ?
12:00<fluor->which package?
12:01<adb>empty xorg.conf is normal , try `X -configure`
12:02<fluor->adb: thanks
12:03<emma>ok im back, ive tried X -configure and its blank
12:04<abraham>emma, now paste your xorg.conf
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12:05<abraham>or just add the new modeline that you want and the driver that you want
12:05<abraham>to the new generated xorg.conf
12:07<ml|>"kvm -hda mydisk.vmd -cdrom myinstallcd.iso -boot d -m 512"
12:07<ml|>oops even
12:07<fluor->waiting for X server to shut down error setting MTRR (base = 0xd0000000, size =
12:07<fluor->0x04000000, type = 1) Invalid argument (22)
12:07<adb>hoops even
12:07<fluor->anyone familiar with this sort of error?
12:07<abraham>ml|, why not use virtualbox, it is much much faster than kvm
12:08<emma>ok when i try x -configure it says Fatal server error:
12:08<emma>Server is already active for display 0
12:08<emma> If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
12:08<emma> and start again.
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12:08<ml|>abraham: i'm not using a debian kernel and not using modules
12:09<abraham>your kernel is setup without module support?
12:09<emma>ok can i start from scratch how do i delete the xorg.conf file
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12:10<fluor->I get this "error setting MTRR" error when launching X, with either 'nv' or 'vesa' video drivers ... any idea?
12:10<abraham>emma, hit cntrl alt f1 then login to root and type /etc/init.d/gdm stop then type X -configure
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12:11<Lando_C>Hi, I get problems winth X on a Thinkpad 760ED, ancient laptop
12:11<abraham>then to get x back up type /etc/init.d/gdm start
12:11<emma>ok then do the rest?
12:11<Lando_C>I used to have it working with NetBSD 4.0 and xfree 3.3.6
12:12<emma>cool ty ill try that be back
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12:12<Lando_C>but with lenny 5.0.2 i can only get 800x600 and a black border, but not even that out fo the box
12:12<Lando_C>i had to shut off gdm and startx _- -depth 16
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12:13<abraham>Lando_C, run X -configure from a terminal
12:13<abraham>it will generate a new
12:14<abraham>mv ~/ /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:14<abraham>then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to your needing
12:15<fluor->stupid me : I didn't have the WM mentionned in my .xsession installed
12:15<fluor->sorry for the noise
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12:15<edbian>I'm looking for some information about bonding two network interfaces. What does the system do when you have 2 working connections set up in /etc/network/interfaces ? What does "bonding" them do differently?
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12:16<fluor->what would be the line to get X to work in 1280x1024 in 24, though?
12:16<abraham>fluor-, use gtf
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12:17<fluor->abraham: thanks, didn't know about that one either_
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12:18<Lando_C>abraham: takes a while with 100 Mhz...
12:19<abraham>really old pc?
12:19<xeon-enouf>100MHz is plenty, just like 640K :-)
12:19<abraham>he's running x on it
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12:19<fluor->abraham: what's a good refresh rate?
12:19<fluor->the higher the better, or the lower?
12:19<Lando_C>xfce seem a bit too heavy.. used to run icewm under netbsd
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12:20<abraham>fluor-, depends on your monitor
12:20<Lando_C>80 megs ram is on the tight side too
12:20<Lando_C>will prolly need to make a custom kernel later
12:20<Lando_C>to save memory
12:20<fluor->abraham: sure, but.. anyways, where does the modeline has to be inserted in xorg.conf ?
12:21<Lando_C>I'll use it mostly to run a vncviewer
12:21<dennis_p>fluor-: for a tube monitor the higher the better
12:21<fluor->dennis_p: thanks
12:22<Lando_C>abaraham: X -configure made a file, runnnig X -config path/to/file gives me black screen.
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12:22<Lando_C>(as rtoot ofcourse)
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12:22<dennis_p>75Hz is minimal 85 Hz is easy on the eyes for longer reading
12:22<InkBottle>Hi, does it work for you "viewing a street as if you were walking on it" with plus swfdec (firefox)?
12:23<abraham>Lando_C, now edit the file to add the driver you want and the modelines you need
12:23<dennis_p>60Hz is what all displays can at least support
12:23<Lando_C>message in theh console: [config/hal] couldn't initialise context: (null) ((null))
12:23<Lando_C>and there it hangs
12:23<abraham>fluor-, in the display subsection in the screen section
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12:24<Lando_C>killed the server with ctrl-alt-bs
12:24<fluor->er, "Modeline" is not a valid keyword in this section.
12:24<Lando_C>now what should I look for in the log?
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12:25<emma>ok im back,
12:25<xeon-enouf>!wb emma
12:25<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! emma has returned!
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12:25<emma>i now have the following xorg.conf file
12:26<Lando_C>abraham: chipset is Trident TGUI 9660/938x/968x
12:26<xeon-enouf>1M .. w00hoo
12:26<edbian>I'm looking for some information about bonding two network interfaces. What does the system do when you have 2 working connections set up in /etc/network/interfaces without bonding them? What does "bonding" them do differently?
12:27<abraham>emma is there still a problem?
12:27<emma>yes i still cannot use 1024 768
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12:28<dennis_p>emma: what is the name and number of the monitor brand?
12:29<abraham>emma, now add the modeline to the xorg.conf. the one you get from gtf
12:29<emma>its a samsung tv/monitor model le23r41b c
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12:29<xeon-enouf>try cvt over gtf - seems to have worked better for me
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12:33<emma>ok if i add the modeline does it go in the section monitor or screen?
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12:34<adb>emma: google has tons of examples
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12:36<stew_>emma: "man xorg.conf" would tell you it goes in Monitor
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12:44<asaleem>How can I prevent cron from sending emails when a job runs
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12:46<Gathond>asaleem: add MAILTO='' at top
12:46<Gathond>well or ensure none of the jobs output anything
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12:49<Getty>mh i had to switch board (onboard lan) and now udev wants to rename the new eth0 to eth1, can someone gimme a hint how to prevent?
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12:50<xeon-enouf>Getty: /msg dpkg 70
12:50<Getty>lol :)
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12:58<mwarning>hi, I try to install debian from an usb stick. I downloaded a boot.img.img and a debian netinstall iso.
12:58<mwarning>aparently, the kernels from the image and the iso must match.
12:59<mwarning>Where can I find the boot.img.gz for the netinstall ia64 iso?
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13:03<mixalis>can someone help me ?
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13:04<Gold24>you could try asking your question :)
13:04<mixalis>can u help me ?
13:04<mixalis>i want a driver for my canon ip3500
13:05<mixalis>there isnt somethink
13:06<mixalis>can u help me ?
13:06<Gold24>try google :)
13:06<mixalis>i found somethink but i dont know how to install
13:07<Gold24>like this for instance
13:07<Gold24>then that is another question entirely
13:07<Gold24>do you have cups installed?
13:07<mixalis>CUPS ?
13:08<mixalis>WHAT CUPS ?
13:08<mixalis>WHATS THAT
13:08<Gold24>common unix printing system
13:09<adb>dpkg: tell mixalis -about c cups
13:09<mixalis>I HAVE IT
13:09<squelos>you might have cups, but you also have caps lock
13:10<mixalis>i have the program
13:10<mixalis>its an online link
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13:10<Gold24>mixalis: apt-get install foomatic-db that will likely get you the driver
13:12<mixalis>E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
13:12<mixalis>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
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13:13<mixalis>it shays ;E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
13:13<mixalis>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
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13:13<dennis_p>type: su
13:14<Lando_C>abraham: thanks a lot! now it's working at 1024x768 with 16 bpp
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13:14<Lando_C>now I need to tell gdm to use 16 bpp
13:14<abraham>you're welcome
13:14<mixalis>Unknown id: apt-get
13:15<Lando_C>the problöem was, that the gfx card can handle 800x600 at 24 bpp, butnot at a ferequency the LCD can handle..
13:15<Gold24>mixalis: just su
13:15<mixalis>i am doing it...
13:15<Lando_C>so my guess is the install didnt complain, and would have given me a login box from gdm on an external monitor
13:16<mixalis>sudo not su!!!!
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13:17<mixalis>ok i have it
13:18<mixalis>what can i do now ?
13:19<Lando_C>abraham: now that I have xfce runnning where do I tell gdm to use 16 bpp?
13:19<abraham>in xorg.conf
13:19<Lando_C>is there a nifty GUI settingspanel somewherwe?
13:19<Lando_C>abraham: defaultdepth...
13:19<Lando_C>ofcourse. but
13:19<Lando_C>which section does DefaultDeoth go in?
13:20<abraham>monitor i believe google it
13:20<Lando_C>I do appreciate these reminders =)
13:20<Lando_C>"have browser, will google"
13:21<Lando_C>firefox is actually faster in debian than in netbsd on this ancient laptop
13:22<Lando_C>though it swaps a lot
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13:23<Lando_C>abraham: it goes directly under "Csreen"
13:23<Lando_C>thanks again..
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13:24<abraham>you're welcome
13:25<Lando_C>sidenote: firefox 3 came up in about 4 minutes, but was unexpectedly responsive after that
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13:25<Lando_C>happy joy
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13:30<Lando_C>abraham: next issue: during boot I get [ACPI:Unable to read theh system description tables
13:30<Lando_C>Do you think this means i wont be able to suspend/hibernate?
13:31<abraham>im not one to ask on that
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13:33<Lando_C>Abraham: the defaultdepth in xorg.conf fixed gdm too! thanks again
13:33<nooteh>if I use "aptitude update", it crashes on connecting to And I can't even load website, but it works on windows. What am I doing wrong?
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13:34<nooteh>it also crashes on some packages that need to connect to
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13:37<nooteh>any ideas?
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13:45<japhb>Is there any word on when iceweasel-3.5.x will move out of experimental?
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13:47<xente>good question, methinks
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13:50<Lando_C>Anyone know how to add a remote desktop choice in gdm? so that I could use a fullscreen vncviewer instead of logging in
13:50<Lando_C>a "thin client" mode, fi you will
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14:11<darcy>I've got two network uplinks, eth1 and eth2, both using dhcp to get a public internet IP and gateway. I know how to get the assigned addresses with 'ip -4 add ls', but how can I get the two gateways ? I need them to make separate routing tables and fwmark packets to different routes
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14:18<darcy>petemc, that's nice, but I still don't know $P1 and $P2, the gateways. I'm looking for a way to read them from a script. Both interfaces are dynamic, and the gateways might change randomly
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14:19<Lando_C>Argh: i have everything in X working except wrong keyboard language
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14:19<Lando_C>where do you set the keyboard mapping, preferrably with a GUI ?
14:20<Lando_C>lenny, xfce
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14:22<Lando_C>in old xfree there used to be xf86cfg
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14:22<Lando_C>is there a similar program for xorg?
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14:24<_budo>X refuses to run occasionally....receiving only a clear and somewhat illuminated screen......this must be a bug in X, not only does this happen in debian it also happened while i was running slackware
14:24<_budo>does anyone else have this issue from time to time ?
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14:26<Lando_C>budo on what hardware? it happened to me on an old toshiba laptop, turned out the LCD couldnt handle the frequencies sometimes; it was right on the margin..
14:27<_budo>oh i see
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14:29<_budo>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
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14:33<Lando_C>budo> there is the possibility that you need a custom modeline.. google on that chipset and see what turns out
14:33<Lando_C>is this a laptop or a desktop?
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14:33<Guest370>pressed the wrong button
14:33<_budo>its one of those desktops that has the audio and graphics built into the motherboard
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14:34<Lando_C>budo: ok.. LCD or CRT monitor?
14:35<_budo>its no biggy.......i was just glad after i installed debian, debian was free from the same issues i had with slackware.......until unfortunately, im seeing this issue surface itself again
14:36<_budo>when it happened to you on your laptop you had to turn off the whole computer right?
14:36<Lando_C>ok.. it could be that the freuiencies are just no teh margin.. you could google for your monitor's name adn linux and see what turns up too
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14:36<Lando_C>maybe someone had teh same problem with the same monitor
14:37<Lando_C>yeah, the console froze up, but I could still ssh into it and shut down cleanly from anothrr pc
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14:44<_budo>ok how do i know what frequency linux is seeing it
14:44<_budo>i have the monitor specs now
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14:46<Lando_C>will tell you what the X server thinks about the world
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14:48<_budo>what frequency is the monitor using ?
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14:56<xeon-enouf>darcy: perhaps look into the iproute{2} pkgs, and related docs/files - see /etc/iproute/rt_* IIRC
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14:57<xeon-enouf>er /etc/iproute2/rt_tables i guess
14:57*Lando_C solved the keyboardlayout problem
14:59<xeon-enouf>_budo: are you sure X isn't starting? or perhaps you end up with a Blank DE env? such is what i make mine do when i startx (using openbox as WM)
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15:00<_budo>it sounds like the cpu stops working
15:00<darcy>xeon-enouf, thanks, browsing all the docs atm, grepped /etc and nothing there relating to the gateways assigned by dhcp. Maybe var
15:00<xeon-enouf>_budo: those intel integrated chips though have undergone many kernel + Xserver changes, DRI/DRI2, KMS, GEM, EXA/UXA .. see and such
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15:01<xeon-enouf>_budo: can you check logs at that point? how about drop to Console?
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15:01<xeon-enouf>_budo: might be a (intermittent) hardware issue?
15:02<xeon-enouf>_budo: such as might even be heat related? bad capacitors? weak PSU?
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15:02<xeon-enouf>!bad caps
15:02<dpkg>capacitors is, like, no, it's not a tech support myth: the capacitors on many turn-of-the-millennium components (mostly motherboards) can leak and fail. If you're experiencing random hardware fuckups, check them for bulging. See for the story and for a photo, or
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15:04<bja>xeon-enouf: a bad capacitor usually has an acrid smell easy to identify once you open the chasis
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15:04<xeon-enouf>bja: smell your PC much do ya? :-p
15:04<solo>thats usually only once its really bad though
15:05<_budo>no once it happens my computer is totally unusuable
15:05<xeon-enouf>bja: some don't even realize thay can open the chassis :-p
15:05<_budo>i cant change virtual terminals or anything
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15:05<xeon-enouf>_budo: how are you launching X? does it ever happen prior to X launching? or while alreadyrunning?
15:05<solo>it can be can you sysrq it
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15:06<xeon-enouf>_budo: learn sysrq ; /msg dpkg sysrq
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15:06<xeon-enouf>also fsck
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15:06<xeon-enouf>and create a new user - with NEW /home - to rule out any old/stale /home/dotfile incompatibilities
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15:08<solo>or install memtest86 and reboot in to it then let it run for a while
15:08<xeon-enouf>good one .. yep - swap out PSU and HDDs :-P
15:10<solo>where do you guys hail from?
15:10<xeon-enouf>_budo: could attach a serial terminal as well - so long as the kernel isn't oopsing, you should be able to see what's going on - i wonder if your ~/.xsession-errors logs all that - if you sysrq properly, effectivelty, you should get some logs somewhere .. related
15:11<xeon-enouf>solo: earth .. unfortunately
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15:16<solo>yeah do a REISUB sysreq least that way you get everything synced to dish so you get as much log as you can
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15:18<squelos>my mobo does a hissing noise some times
15:18<squelos>could it be a faulty capacitor ?
15:19<Gold24>it could yes
15:19<squelos>what else could it be ?
15:19<Gold24>dunno :)
15:19<squelos>cause its still working and not crashing
15:20<Gold24>well it could still be a dieing capacitor
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15:20<squelos>fuck. i assume you can just change the capacitor if it dies ?
15:20<solo>yeah ive run boards with dieing caps that have been squeeling for mercy for ages... but normally it means that its gonna die
15:20<squelos>well actually, i dont care. i have a spare mobo lying around.
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15:21<squelos>does it squeel all the time ?
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15:22<solo>yeah you can change the caps just solder out old solder in new just gotta watch the temp
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15:28<squelos>I thought it might be because of the overclocking.
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15:29<xeon-enouf>squelos: why not overvolt while you're at it?
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15:29<squelos>yeah i do overvolt.
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15:29<squelos>i thought it might be because of that.
15:30<squelos>I got my E6600 up to 4.5ghz :D stock its at 2.4ghz methinks
15:30<mangospork>Yo. So, I just installed KDE 4.3.0, from sid. In the session chooser, thing-a-ma-gig, in GDM.
15:30<mangospork>There's no "KDE" selection
15:30<squelos>my ram is at 1000mhz, timings : 3-3-3-8
15:30<squelos>GDM ?
15:30<squelos>KDM ?
15:31<xeon-enouf>!listvals gdmconfig
15:31<dpkg>Factoid search of 'gdmconfig' by value returned no results.
15:31<squelos>but then xeon, im using a waterchiller.
15:31<mangospork>I had gnome installed, I just wanted to use KDE 4.3.0
15:31<squelos>thats changes everything.
15:32<xeon-enouf>mangospork: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager might help
15:32<squelos>But i dont know how to help you :D
15:32<xeon-enouf>as root
15:32<squelos>there you go :)
15:32<mangospork>Thanks xeon-enouf.
15:33<xeon-enouf>mangospork: well - you could always just boot to console, login and run 'startkde' isuppose - see #debian-kde (for kde4 stuffs)
15:33<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
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15:35<mangospork>I'll do update-alternatives --config x-session-manager for now.
15:36<mangospork>brb, food.
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15:38<teebee>I have horrible font on one machine with kde 4.3. Not all. Even in kdm. the "welcome to PC-blabla" is fine but not "Username" and "Password". Is it serif. I've had this issue before but can't solve it now. Any idea?
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15:41<ranix>I've started using icewm for the hell of it, and when I alt-right click a window to resize, icewm keeps rearranging the contents of the window (moving it opaquely). Can I change this behaviour to "draw an outline of resized windows until I'm done"?
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15:45<xeon-enouf>teebee: ask #debian-kde perhaps - i recall the background img used to be config'd in /etc/default/kdm?
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15:46<xeon-enouf>ranix: disable any/all sorts of update window contents while resizing? within your WMconfig
15:46<ranix>xeon-enouf: whereis wmconfig seems to be turning up a blank
15:46<turcko>Hi, someone can help me with a iptables problem please?
15:46<xeon-enouf>ranix: obconf does.has that for openbox
15:47<xeon-enouf>ranix: icewm uses metacity? i never could tell - heh
15:47<xeon-enouf>or was that gnome
15:47<ranix>gnome uses metacity
15:47<xeon-enouf>i use neither - hence why i forget - thanks for the reminder
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15:48<teebee>xeon-enouf, thanks. Yes I looked into kdm conf that's why I'm thinking it might be serif. I'm installing ttf-freefont now
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15:49<teebee>Anybody has a _recent_ link regarding linux and fonts and how its done in debian?
15:53<ranix>nah the hell with this, back to xfce
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16:09<AxxxA>i have an odd question
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16:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
16:09<AxxxA>is there anyway of searching which subfolders of a folder have 5 or more items in them
16:10<dondelelcaro>AxxxA: sure
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16:10<AxxxA>teach me please
16:10<dondelelcaro>AxxxA: use find + exec + wc + ls + test (or similar)
16:11<AxxxA>(i am a linux beginner)
16:11<ranix>AxxxA: how many directories are we talking abou there?
16:11<ranix>AxxxA: a couple hundred, or a couple thousand?
16:12<AxxxA>couple of hundred
16:12<AxxxA>its my music folder which has 6000 songs in it
16:12<AxxxA>but because of itunes is in lots of different folders
16:12<AxxxA>i need to find out which whole albums i have on my computer
16:12<ranix>AxxxA: you could find -maxdepth 1 -type d >file.txt and eyeball it
16:13<ranix>actually probably maxdepth 2
16:13<AxxxA>i dont understand
16:14<ranix>if you want to go wild, you can make a little perl or awk script that finds out how many occurrances of a given ./directory/ appear
16:14<ranix>AxxxA: you have a directory, in it are subdorectories, and you want to find which of the subdirectories have 5 or more things in them right
16:14<AxxxA>that would be difficult
16:15<ranix>go to the directory the subdirectories are in
16:15<ranix>cd to it on the command line
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16:15<AxxxA>sorry but im a complete beginner
16:16<AxxxA>brb food
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16:18<kop>Sounds like a student
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16:19<stuckey>I got an email that said that Bug#536545 was marked as done, but nvidia-glx-ia32 still doesn't install
16:20<noflash>maybe it can read ;)
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16:20<stuckey>I don't get it
16:20<stuckey>Ah, it read the email, and broke itself again?
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16:25<abraham>stuckey, the nvidia driver supplies that
16:25<abraham>as a workaround
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16:27<stuckey>abraham: nvidia driver?
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16:29<abraham>stuckey, yes from the nvidia site
16:29<abraham>the installer provides the 32bit libraries
16:29<stuckey>abraham: oh, but I can't use the nivida installer
16:30<abraham>why not?
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16:32<fgh>how can i safe-upgrade without installing linux-image-2.6.30-1-686? (im using nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-)
16:32<stuckey>It isn't the debian way
16:34<xeon-enouf>fgh: likely removing the metapackage, but are you using lenny?
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16:34<n3lab>re2all :)
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16:35<chealer>fgh: what do you by "to safe-upgrade"?
16:35<xeon-enouf>fgh: plus, you could install newer kernels, and just not boot into them ;-) just set up your grub menu.lst to your liking
16:35<n3lab>can anyboy help me with qt? i want to update my qt to 4.5.2 version/ how to do it safely and better? i am now on debian lenny
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16:38<fgh>i am using squeeze and i dont want things installed that i dont use.
16:39<fgh>chealer: 'aptitude safe-upgrade' ...
16:39<n3lab>so can anybody help?
16:39<xeon-enouf>n3lab: you'll probably need a newer libc6
16:40<stuckey>abraham: so it's still broken?
16:40<xeon-enouf>which means, more than lenny - ask in #debian-kde perhaps , /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
16:41<n3lab>ok 10x
16:41<n3lab>i don't like kde and qt but i want to test some soft :)
16:41<xeon-enouf>n3lab: note; no idea which versions of qt are in which suites
16:41<chealer>fgh: I don't understand what you mean. is your question about aptitude?
16:41<xeon-enouf>and judd seems reluctant
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16:42<fgh>chealer: nvm, thanks anyway for trying to help!
16:42<abraham>stuckey, im not sure i run stable
16:42<abraham>stuckey, aptitude update then try
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16:43<AxxxA>food is over
16:43<AxxxA>please halp me now
16:44<chealer>xeon-enouf: he won't
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16:46<xeon-enouf>ok chealer -- well, i asked dpkg too - i'm not going to p.d.o for anyone - n3lab do you have a pkgname? apt-get update ; apt-cache search ^qt
16:47<n3lab>xeon-enouf, now i am on lenny and in his repo i found only old qt
16:47<xeon-enouf>n3lab: /msg dpkg pdo ; /msg dpkg bpo
16:48<xeon-enouf>adb: heh, try it :-p
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16:49<adb>pyqt4-dev-tools Version: 4.4.2-4 on lenny
16:50<adb>e.g n3lab ^^
16:50<n3lab>xeon-enouf, so u want to tell me that i must upgrade all system so next version?((
16:51<adb>no ,
16:51<xeon-enouf>n3lab: no, seems i was mistaken about that - see others' responses
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16:52<xeon-enouf>n3lab: actually - i'm not sure - please help yourself to /msg dpkg <keyword> (as i mentioned)
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16:53<xeon-enouf>20:49 <judd> pyqt4-dev-tools -- etch: 4.0.1-5 lenny: 4.4.2-4 squeeze: 4.4.4-6 sid: 4.5.1-1.1
16:53<xeon-enouf>and s/he wants even 4.5.2
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16:54<noflash>AxxxA, go to and do some reading
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16:55<chealer>xeon-enouf: do you use KDE?
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16:58<xeon-enouf>chealer: no
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16:58<xeon-enouf>chealer: i had had kde3.x installed at one point though, so i know my wayaround it a tad
16:58<xeon-enouf>it == 3.x.x that is
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17:45<InkBottle>Hi, firefox is sometime taking to much cpu resource. Is there a way to limit it's usage of the cpu?
17:45<n3lab>when i ll upgrade to testing version will be any reboots? or may be i must close something programs?
17:45<InkBottle>it leads to a freeze of my computer
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17:45<n3lab>until upgrade finished
17:46<adb>n3lab: why testing ?
17:46<n3lab>coz i want testing
17:46<adb>you wrong than ..
17:46<n3lab>pplz in kde channel say that it is pretty stable for me
17:47<adb>coz i want me
17:47<_budo>firefox ?
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17:47<_budo>firefox for linux is not stable
17:47<drakeman>use OPERA man
17:47<chealer>n3lab: yes, reboot
17:47<drakeman>opera is way better than firefox, at least in linux
17:48<edbian>I use opera and it rocks
17:48<_budo>thats not what the ratings said
17:48<drakeman>for me, yes, i have both.. and for me firefox is not even close to opera
17:48<InkBottle>_budo, drakeman: are you talking to me? :)
17:48<edbian>I want to set up /etc/networking/interfaces instead of using nm-applet. How do I turn off nm-applet?
17:48<chealer>drakeman: please stick to topic
17:48<_budo>does opera come with lot of add-on options ?
17:48<drakeman>chealer, sorry.
17:48<edbian>_budo: They have "wdigets" but it's nothing near the library of firefox
17:49<chealer>_budo, edbian: please stick to topic
17:49<edbian>I want to set up /etc/networking/interfaces instead of using nm-applet. How do I turn off nm-applet?
17:49<InkBottle>anyway opera is not in debian repos
17:49<drakeman>chealer, i just recommend opera to InkBottle as an alternative to his problem with firefox and memory comsumption
17:49<adb>drakeman: opera is not suported here
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17:50<drakeman>adb, ohh, ok ok, my mistake, sorry, guys, i didnt say anything
17:50<InkBottle>drakeman, opera is not in debian, is it?
17:50<chealer>drakeman: InkBottle asked about CPU consumption
17:50<drakeman>firefox neither
17:50<InkBottle>I meant iceweassel
17:50<drakeman>yes, i know, sorry guys,
17:51<InkBottle>so any idea of a command like "nice" that could prevent a process of taking the whole of my computer?
17:51<drakeman>InkBottle, what version of iceweasel?
17:51<chealer>InkBottle: oh, well. iceweasel running as user shouldn't freeze your computer, however CPU-intensive it can be
17:52<adb>InkBottle: when useing flash?
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17:53<InkBottle>chealer, adb yes using flash (no-free) too. but it's not actually my computer, and it wouldn't fit putting swfdec on "that" computer :)
17:54<InkBottle>by the way pcman-file-manager take a huge amount of resource too
17:54<InkBottle>so about a "limiting" command?
17:54<chealer>InkBottle: I don't care whether you use Flash. iceweasel is not supposed to freeze the computer. it may make a user's session crawl, but not the whole PC
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17:55<chealer>InkBottle: yes, there is cpulimit
17:55<adb>how much RAM and CPU are in , InkBottle?
17:55<InkBottle>chealer, yes I can kill the process by ssh. but I have to turn the computer down if I don't have this possibility
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17:56<InkBottle>about 256Mb and an old athlon
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17:56<chealer>InkBottle: yeah, there's SSH, but there are also ttys. that is abnormal
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17:57<InkBottle>chealer, the keys C-A-fn dont work in that case
17:57<adb>try a memtest86 InkBottle
17:57<adb>maybe a bad ram
17:58<xeon-enouf>InkBottle: you can try something like renice/ionice, but you might then just want todo that to the entire Xserver ;-P
17:58<InkBottle>could be
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18:00<InkBottle>I will first see what it gives with cpulimit
18:00<xeon-enouf>InkBottle: if you're swapping, you should a) remove big bloated beasts or b) add more RAM if possible, or c) look into setting up /proc/sys/vm/* files accordingly to try and battle it a bit - man proc (could be painful and futile)
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18:00<edbian>How do you edit /etc/networking/interfaces for a wlan0 ?
18:01<edbian>I have a wlan0 and a wmaster0 in my ifconfig
18:01<InkBottle>by the wa
18:01<InkBottle>sorry :)
18:01<xeon-enouf>edbian: IINM wlan0 gets configured
18:01<edbian>IINM ?
18:02<edbian>xeon-enouf: What? IINM??
18:02<dpkg>methinks iinm is "If I'm Not Mistaken"
18:02<xeon-enouf>edbian: see "The master device wmaster0"
18:03<edbian>xeon-enouf: Thanks again! IRC is endlessly helpful! :)
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18:06<edbian>xeon-enouf: So according to this I simply make a "wlan0" iface in /etc/network/interfaces right?
18:07<InkBottle>thanks for the cpulimit tips, I have to go, see you all :)
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18:10<dest>edbian, you configure it almost like a ethX
18:10<teebee>"This information is no longer relevant as – since kernel version 2.6.32 – the master interface is no longer created." . 2.6.32 ?
18:10<edbian>accept adding essid
18:10<edbian>and anything else?
18:10<edbian>I'm on kernel 2.6.28
18:10<edbian>I do indeed have a wmaster0
18:10<teebee>edbian, yes, same for me, that's normal
18:11<adb>edbian: it seems use ubu=ntu ..
18:11<edbian>What things do I need for my wlan0 interface?
18:11<edbian>iface wlan0 inet dhcp
18:11<edbian>iwconfig wlan0 ap <mac address> ?? (not sure about this one)
18:11<dest>edbian, something like that :
18:12<dest>wireless-essid 9T_B800A
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18:12<dest>wireless-channel 11
18:12<xeon-enouf>edbian: /msgdpkg wifi howto (is the best i can tell ya)
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18:12<xeon-enouf>edbian: /msg dpkg wifi howto
18:13<dest>edbian, you don't need a lot of fields
18:15<dest>edbian, do you use WEP (hope not) or WPA ?
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19:30<n3lab>i try to upgrade debian to testing
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19:30<n3lab>i done aptitude full-upgrade
19:31<xente>can someone point me in the right direction to get direct rendering working on my radeon card?
19:31<n3lab>then reboot but seems i am not on testing
19:33<n3lab>arw, can u help me?
19:33<n3lab>maybe i must to wrote smth else?
19:33<arw>n3lab: what stepts did you do for upgrade?
19:34<n3lab>change source.list
19:34<n3lab>aptitude update
19:34<n3lab>aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude
19:34<n3lab>aptitude full-upgrade
19:34<n3lab>and then i reboot
19:35<arw>n3lab: on sources lists did you change stable by testing?
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19:35<n3lab>and it downloaded about 900 mb
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19:36<n3lab>mm. maybe i am on testing allready?
19:36<n3lab>how to check?
19:36<craigevil>n3lab: cat /etc/debian_version
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19:36<arw>n3lab: did you do this : apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade ?
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19:37<n3lab>arw, no
19:38<n3lab>arw, i did this
19:38<craigevil>aptitude full-upgrade is the same as apt-get dist-upgrade
19:38<n3lab>so and? :)
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19:39<arw>i prefer apt
19:39<bja>!why aptitude
19:39<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
19:39<n3lab>but what i must do now?
19:39<lagenar>How can I delete all files in a directory except the ones with a particular extension?
19:40<bja>lagenar: you move those to a different dir, and then delete all
19:40<arw>n3lab: IMHO do it with apt
19:40<bja>you put them back there
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19:40<n3lab>it's bad imho
19:40<lagenar>ok thanks
19:40<abraham>mv /dir/*.ext
19:41<abraham>then rm -rf /dir/*
19:41<n3lab>new packages are already in my hard
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19:42<arw>n3lab: is my experience , any way you can use the tool that you think is better
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19:42<xeon-enouf>lagenar: find . ! -name '*,ext' -exec echo {} \;
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19:42<craigevil>n3lab: do you have a /etc/apt/preferences file or any apps pinned to stable?
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19:43<xeon-enouf>erm '*.ext' , not ,ext
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19:44<xeon-enouf>lagenar: /msg dpkg using find
19:44<n3lab>craigevil, i have only directory /etc/apt/preferences.d/
19:44<n3lab>and it's clear
19:44<bja>xeon-enouf: isn't that an overkill?
19:45<xeon-enouf>bja: not in my opinion - not at all
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19:46<craigevil>n3lab: pastebin your sources.list
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19:49<n3lab>in packages i see
19:50<n3lab>"new: yes" "installed: yes" but "auto installed: no"
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19:53<chealer>lagenar: if using bash, $ rm !(*.particular extension)
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19:54<lagenar>chealer, that's a good one thanks
19:55<n3lab>:( so seems i have packages in computer but they are not installed
19:55<chealer>arw: APT is a library; all APT front-ends use APT.
19:55<arw>chealer: whe i says apt i mean apt-get related
19:56<xeon-enouf>chealer: can rm do -iname/-wholename matches as well?
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19:57<chealer>xeon-enouf: I don't understand what you mean by "-iname/-wholename matches"
19:57<chealer>arw: right
19:57<xeon-enouf>chealer: and how well does that work for filenames with spaces or odd characters in their names?
19:58<xeon-enouf>chealer: find has -iname (for case insesitive matches) and -wholename (man find)
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19:59<xeon-enouf>chealer: and does that also grab dotfiles and dirs?
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20:00<lagenar>xeon-enouf, it grabs dirs
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20:00<xeon-enouf>lagenar: i meant dotfiles and dotdirs
20:01<chealer>xeon-enouf: I don't see why there would be problems with odd characters
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20:01<chealer>xeon-enouf: it grabs dirs, not dotfiles
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20:03<chealer>xeon-enouf: I don't know find, but you can deal with case-insensitivity with nocaseglob
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20:04<xeon-enouf>well, all else aside; find affords one of looking over what is to be rm'd prior, either via > files-to-be-removed, or just parsing that '... -exec echo ...' output
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20:05<gm4486>guys, can sb help me. i want to run a .pl script via apache2...
20:05<xeon-enouf>chealer: indeed - however, quite doubtful a newcomer asking would understand nocaseglob, let alone how to set/unset that option
20:05<chealer>xeon-enouf: bash allows that more easily. you choose the command
20:06<n3lab>seems i found error
20:06<n3lab>libc6-dev don't want to install(
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20:06<chealer>xeon-enouf: again, I don't know find, but I'd be more comfortable teaching a newcomer bash options than find
20:07<gm4486>hm, i guess not
20:07<xeon-enouf>$ help shopt lagenar
20:07<chealer>gm4486: just ask your question
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20:08<bja>gm4486: be sure to enable on apaches config that you can run cgi scripts on a certain dir
20:08<bja>gm4486: install apache-doc and on your local server browse the info
20:09<chealer>n3lab: which base-files version do you have?
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20:10<gm4486>bja i'll have a try
20:10<xeon-enouf>find also has the -xdev option, can pluck out dirs and/or files or both
20:10<bja>gm4486: it is prety straight forward
20:10<bja>gm4486: good luck
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20:11<xeon-enouf>find can also descend only a certain depth of dirs recursively (AFAIK - rm has no -maxdepth option)
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20:12<bja>It is indeed obvious that a specialized program like find can outmatch the intrinsic capabilities of a shell.
20:13<xeon-enouf>not to mention searches based on mtime/atime/ctime ; by -user or -group ; or by size even
20:13<argenis>I need some help
20:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:13<arw>bja: :)
20:13<n3lab>oh i think all is good now:)
20:14<bja>!win n3lab
20:14<dpkg>Congratulations, n3lab! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island!
20:14<n3lab>no they all packages try to install
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20:14<n3lab>bja, xD
20:14<xeon-enouf>bja: i'm not too far from where n3lab will be vacationing :-P
20:15<gm4486>bja, i installed apache2-doc. when i put the script in the usr/lib/cgi-bin dir an error shows up (The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
20:15<gm4486>Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@localhost and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
20:15<gm4486>More information about this error may be available in the server error log.) 1) where are the servers error logs? 2) how do i browse in apache-docs?
20:15<bja>dpkg: tell gm4486 abaout paste
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20:16<bja>dpkg: tell gm4486 abaout pastebin
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20:16<bja>gm4486: apache-doc is not a program to execute, is a doc to READ
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20:17<bja>In your browser go to this url "http://localhost/manual" and bingo
20:17<bja>dpkg: tell gm4486 about pastebin
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20:17<netzwurm>are there any lightweight display manager alternatives in debian with autologin support?
20:18<bja>netzwurm: afaik autologin is not dm dependant
20:18<bja>netzwurm: so any lightweight dm will do
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20:19<netzwurm>bja: well. since display managers control the login process that makes no sense.
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20:19<dpkg>it has been said that xinitrc is just use ~/.xsession instead, ask me about <.xinitrc> for the reason. Also ask about <xsession>.
20:20<bja>netzwurm: gdm controls the login process, not ion3 on my case
20:20<netzwurm>bja: gdm is a display manager.
20:20<netzwurm>bja: ion3 is a window manager.
20:20<xeon-enouf>bja: are you confusing DM with WM ?
20:20<dpkg>xsession is probably ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips:
20:21<netzwurm>here is what i want. i have an encrypted lvm, so there's no point in having to login on boot since i already decrypt the lvm.
20:21<bja>netzwurm: ok you are right, sorry for that
20:22<netzwurm>if I just use init to spawn a loginshell and startx, that means that if the X server crashes, X will be respawned. i don't want that since it could crash when my display is locked.
20:22<netzwurm>ergo security risk.
20:22<netzwurm>gdm goes around that since that autologin feature only works on gdm's first start.
20:22<netzwurm>but that is the only thing i like about gdm.
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20:28<netzwurm>why does debian not have packages for entrance?
20:28<netzwurm>(e17 display manager)
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20:30<kisisten>is there a reason why zend is not on debian?
20:30<kisisten>debian repositories that is
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20:32<adb>apt-file search zend
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20:36<bja>judd: versions e17
20:36<judd>bja: e17 -- sid: 0.16.999.061-2
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20:41<chealer>kisisten: did you see ?
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20:46<edbian>I am trying to configure my network interfaces. Here is my /etc/network/interfaces: The nm-applet doesn't seem to be letting go of my networking. How can I disable it? Also my wlan0 can't seem to connect. When I run sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart I get this : DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 21
20:46<edbian>DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 19
20:46<edbian>DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 5
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20:47<edbian>then it puts the interface to "sleep"
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20:48<kisisten>chealer: i've seen it, thanks
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20:51<gsimmons>edbian: If you are using NetworkManager, you do not configure the wireless interface via /etc/network/interfaces. Your use of "iwconfig wlan0 ap" in this file is also invalid.
20:52<abraham>edbian, your interfaces is weird why does it have an iwconfig line?
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21:02<edbian>Can someone help me configure my wlan0 interface? Here is my /etc/network/interfaces file
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21:08<gsimmons>edbian: Again, if you're using NetworkManager, don't use /etc/network/interfaces for wireless interface configuration. Replace "iwconfig wlan0 ap" with "wireless-ap" if you are not.
21:08<edbian>gsimmons: I removed network manager completely from my system
21:09<edbian>So I need "wireless-ap"
21:09<edbian>gsimmons: Thanks for the help! Sorry I was messing with my interfaces and realized I had 65+ seconds of lag (I lost connectivity to the room) so I haven't seen anybody say anything :P
21:10<edbian>Do I absolutely need to know the ap's MAC? I'm at school so it isn't my access point. How can I find it out?
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21:13<edbian>With corrections:
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21:14<edbian>I still can't seem to connect. When I run "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" I get (near the end) DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval X like 7 times and then "NO DHCPOFFERS received"
21:14<kardan>hi, pidgin <= 2.6.0 has this security issue:
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21:20<gsimmons>edbian: Unless there are two access points with the same ESSID, it usually isn't necessary to state the BSSID. Your last paste still has "iwconfig wlan0 ap" stated. Down the interface and pastebin the output received from "ifup -v wlan0".
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21:20<kardan>the issue linked above says "When connecting to a jabberd server on port 5222 with TLS/SSL required enabled, the TLS/SSL connection fails but libpurple still connects to the server without encryption."
21:20<kardan>should i file a bug report for this?
21:21<edbian>gsimmons: Just a moment. I have to step away from the computer temp.
21:21<edbian>gsimmons: Thank you for the help! That pastebin is a typo. I'll fix it and update you.
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21:31<kop>kardan: I'm of the experience that TLS/SSL links can be configured to fallback to varying levels of encryption, including none. So maybe it's a feature. I know it's occassionally handy to establish a vpn connection without encryption so I can imagine a case for jabber as well.
21:31<kop>khalil: hello
21:31<khalil>hw r u?!
21:32<khalil>wht r u talking about?!
21:32<kop>khalil: Debian Linux support. You could rtfm the channel topic.
21:32<edbian>gsimmons: I fixed the problem myself! Thank you for the help though. Perhaps you can answer a question for me though?
21:32<kardan>kop: the option says 'require ssl/tls'. would you expect that behaviour?
21:32<kop>khalil: You should also know this:
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21:32<kop>!tell khalil -about wud
21:33<edbian>Does bonding 2 network interfaces increase performance or is it just for failover??
21:33<kop>kardan: I don't know that my opinion is worth anything. There are several features of ssl/tls you could use it for just authentication for example.
21:33<khalil>srry kop, this my first time in IRC
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21:34<kop>khalil: No worries. (Note that if you've Ubuntu Linux you're in the wrong place to talk about that.) For more info type: /msg dpkg ubuntu
21:35<khalil>yup, im using ubuntu, and iam new in this world
21:35<khalil>sorry, i will look for the right place
21:35<khalil>thnk u
21:35<kop>edbian: Bonding, in the vocabularly I've come across which tends to be cisco/big-telcom centric, it means making 2 physical connections into one logical connection that should support the sum of the bandwidth of the underlying physical links.
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21:36<kop>khalil: Every channel has it's own rules, fyi, so if in doubt ask if you can ask.
21:36<edbian>kop: So I'll get twice the bandwidth? Does that mean twice the speed? Or just more data at once but at the same time? I'm lousy with physics... :P
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21:37<kop>edbian: You'll get twice the bandwidth and the same amount of latency. See wiktionary ( or wikipedia) for definitions.
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21:38<edbian>kop: You're going to have to be less technical. I know that bandwidth is measured in Kb/s (or Mb/s) What is latency exactly?
21:38<kop>edbian: The units are time.
21:39*kardan is just filing a bug report for this
21:39<kop>edbian: Usually milliseconds but it all depends on the network.
21:39<edbian>kop: So web pages will load at the same speed but I can load more of them at once?
21:39<kop>edbian: Twice as many at the same speed, or just as many in half the time. Either way.
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21:40<kop>edbian: Kb/s (or Mb/s) is a measure of how much information is delivered per unit time.
21:40<edbian>kop: Thank you for explaining! :)
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21:40<kop>edbian: You might check out the networking parts of:
21:40<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
21:41<jmarsden>edbian: Also see and
21:42<edbian>jmarsden: Thanks
21:42<edbian>Now I just have to make the bond!
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21:43<edbian>How are 2 interfaces handled if I don't bond them?
21:43<edbian>Is all traffic simply routed through the first one?
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21:43<jmarsden>edbian: separately :) That depends on your routing table.
21:44<edbian>jmarsden: iptables? All policies are accept. zero rules
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21:44<jmarsden>edbian: No, routing, not packet filtering. netstat -nr will display your routing table
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21:45<edbian>Mind if I copy/paste it?
21:45<edbian>There are 4 lines
21:45<kop>!tell edbian -about paste
21:46<jmarsden>edbian: Better to use pastebin
21:46<edbian>2 lines is the rule of thumb eh
21:47<kop>edbian: It's not as easy as "just making the bond". The other end of the wires (or whatever) has to have a configuration that also supports the bonding you setup.
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21:47<edbian>I'm looking at this:
21:47<edbian>kop: I thought all I have to do is edit /etc/network/interfaces ?? The schools hardware/software needs to support it as well?
21:48<jmarsden>At present you should find that packets for 10.10.* will go out eth1, 10.140.* will go out wlan0, and anything else will go out eth1... and BTW having two default routes is not all that conventional :)
21:48<edbian>jmarsden: So if I connect to the internet and load a web page what interface / ip is that for?
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21:49<edbian>Both interfaces have routes to the net
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21:51<jmarsden>I think (as you have the routing table now) packets for the Internet will go out of eth1, and so will come back to that Ip address and hence interface too.
21:52<jmarsden>You can check this by doing ifconfig and noting the rx and tx byte counts and then doing some stuff to the Internet and doing ifconfig again... see which counts have changed :)
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21:53<SpaceGhost>Hello, can I get some help with an issue about grub2?
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23:36<ccamacho>does anyone here can tell me where does alsa store all the mixer values (in which config file)? I just can't see where, even if I remove the file /var/lib/alsa/asound.state it seems that my mixer is keeping my old values
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23:48<savvas>hello! is it just me or is the redirection for debian/watch files broken?
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23:51<savvas>the osmo package, but I noticed it on other packages as well, e.g. bleachbit
23:51<xeon-enouf>savvas: all i remember about awhile ago was doesn't work,but does
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23:52<savvas>hmm thanks :)
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23:57<savvas>xeon-enouf: do you think I should report a bug about it on devscripts? or is there a pseudo package for an redirection bug?
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23:57<savvas>ah wait, I'm using ubuntu, let me check if there's a new version :)
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