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00:36<digifor>Can gparted resize dm-crypt lvm partitons?
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00:59<xeon-enouf>use lvm tools for lvm volumes
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01:03<digifor>xeon-enouf, so nothing with a gui for lazy people like me!
01:04<digifor>This looks like my solution then
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01:23<eightyei1ht>digifor: there is system-config-lvm if you want a gui
01:23<digifor>eightyei1ht, I'll google that. Thanks
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01:24<eightyei1ht>aptitude search system-config-lvm
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01:33<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
01:35<chaos> doesn't seem to work too well from lynx :(
01:36<chaos>anybody awake?
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01:38<jmarsden>chaos: use pastebinit instead of lynx ?
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01:39<jmarsden>A command line pastebin client.
01:40<chaos>so pastebinit -b <a whole lot of lines>?
01:40<chaos>how is it going to know when i'm done?
01:42<chaos>jmarsden: how do i finish the input?
01:42<jmarsden>End the file :) Ctrl-D
01:43<jmarsden>Or put the lines in a text file and then pastebinit -b whatever <somefile
01:44<chaos>ctrl+d worked
01:47<chaos> <-- that's what i thought would turn my debian box into a router for the natted boxes ... any idea what i did wrong?
01:49<chaos>connection between the linux box and the natted ones is fine .. in fact i'm ssh'ing from one of them to it for this irssi
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01:57<jmarsden>chaos: I can't really do a detailed network debug session for you now, but check the routing table (netstat -nr) looks sane and that you have default gateways set correctly on both server and workstations.
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03:18<chaos_>jmarsden: it's the gateways :s
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03:19<jmarsden>chaos: Good, my first guess at what to check was correct :)
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03:19<EmleyMoor>Do I need to take any special action to replace the hardware of a system or will just moving the disk (and probably the network card as well in this case) do it? squeeze/i386
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03:23<jmarsden>EmleyMoor: Usually that will "just work", assuming both systems are generic PC hardware. As a precaution, I'd be sure to have a bootable Linux CD (or USb key or whatever) around, just in case you run into issues and need to make changes before the system will boot from HD on the new machine.
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03:23<EmleyMoor>jmarsden: I have the beta UBCD to cover me there
03:24*EmleyMoor tries to find the exacn spec of his spare
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03:27<EmleyMoor>Old one is a dual Celeron I built - spare is a Dell of unknown spec
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03:35<EmleyMoor>Anyway, that's a job for tomorrow - old one is working for now
03:36<dehqan>good day everybody ,in lenny how can file transfer via bluetooth be enabled ?
03:37<dehqan>now it is not possible to send file from phone 2 pc and both bluetooth is on ,methinks file transfer service is not installed on lenny ,which pacage ?
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03:48<dave2223>Hi. I have found a bug in a package that is fixed in the latest upstream. There is already a bug filed against the package to upgrade to late upstream. Is it worth submitting the bug?
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03:51<dave2223>The maintainer has tried to upgrade to the latest upstream, but has come across problems.
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04:01<chaos>jmarsden: and how do i set the gateways? :)
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04:34<chaos>what's the command to change whatever netstat -nr output shows?
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04:38<lfaraone>Hey, my main GPG key (which is in the SWOT) is a DSA 1024 key. Is that strong enough for the considerable future?
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04:38<locklace>chaos: it's called the routing table. you change it with route.
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04:41<chaos>locklace: yay, thx
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04:45<yang>Does busybox have fsck tools ? /bin/sh: fsck.ext3: not found
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04:53<cryingtux>how do i enable tabbed option in nautilus?
04:55<wekt>cryingtux: do you have a menu option 'File --> New Tab'?
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04:56<cryingtux>in main gnome menu?
04:56<wekt>Given the state of jigdo and jigdo-file (jigdo-lite) I don't thing debian policy should expect users to use it.
04:56<wekt>cryingtux: in nautilus
04:57<cryingtux>i have, i want that all folders open in one nautilus windows as tabbs rather than opening in a new nautilus window
04:58<wekt>cryingtux: oh, I don't know the answer to that.
04:58<cryingtux>this option is there in gnome but i cant figure out how to enable it on lenny
04:59<cahoot>cryingtux: tried gconf-editor-apps-nautilus-prefs-always_use_browser?
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04:59<cryingtux>cahoot: well no, but i can try it
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05:11<EmleyMoor>Is there a good program in Debian for adding fields to a PDF? I have scanned something in and would like to make it electronically completable. I have pdfedit but am not sure how to proceed
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05:12<Lethalman>EmleyMoor, also try pdfcreator
05:12<Lethalman>mh it's not been packaged yet
05:12<Lethalman>oh it's for windows, so I'm confusing with pdfedit
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05:16<EmleyMoor>Can't see how to do it with pdfedit
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05:20<guillaume_>hello, i meet a problem with last 2.6.30-1 kernel image and cryptsetup. My laptop refuse to boot waiting for root file system and complain about "debian" VG not found as /dev/mapper/debian-root... But when I rebbot on 2.6.29 all went well and I can enter luks passphrase. How is it possible to fix this error ?
05:21<EmleyMoor>Is there anything decent for making a PDF form from a graphic?
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05:23<seiven>Hello. I have faced a problem of the rights on windows section. Has mounted ntfs, but now I cannot write down on it, only read out the information. At attempt from root to establish chmod 777, writes that the given device only for reading. What to do?
05:25<seiven>And it... Do you speak russia?? I meanwhile not so well speak on english:(
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05:29<wekt>EmleyMoor: openoffice/staroffice
05:30<wekt>!tell seiven ru
05:30<EmleyMoor>wekt: I have openoffice - will see what I can do,,,
05:30<wekt>!tell ru seiven
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05:51<dome>honestly i don't have a damn clue how to set up the gateway :( i have the adsl modem on eth1 and eth0 & eth2 are internal ifaces ... somebody plz help me!
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06:01<dome>dpkg says all i need is ipmasq but there's no install candidate in testing :(
06:01<dpkg>okay, dome
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06:05<ml|>judd: versions ipmasq
06:05<judd>ml|: ipmasq -- etch: 4.0.8-2 lenny: 4.0.8-7 sid: 4.0.8-7
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06:06<ml|>dome: install from sid
06:06<gsimmons>ml|: No, it has been removed from unstable (bug #538384).
06:07<ml|>ah, judd is behind then
06:07<dome>gsimmons: k, so what do i use instead?
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06:10<dome>ml|: would you mind taking a quick look at
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06:12<ml|>dome: can't help with that sorry
06:12<dome>:( who do i bug?
06:13<ml|>dome: read the bug report the gsimmons posted, might be of help
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06:19<gsimmons>dome: Depending on your needs, try arno-iptables-firewall, uruk or apf-firewall on testing.
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06:21<sdhoeppner>I'm trying to grep my mail log for a given address (this part I've got), and then grab only the "HELO=<hostname>" part of each line grep returns. I'm guessing I need to use awk or sed with a regexp, but I'm a complete dumbass when it comes to awk, sed, and regular expressions. This is probably really simple for most of you. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Hope...
06:21<sdhoeppner>...some of you are awake. ;)
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06:24<Gathond>you can use grep
06:25<Gathond>there is a switch to only print the matching bit of the line
06:25<valdyn>sdhoeppner: HELO is in the same line?
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06:26<xeon-enouf>sdhoeppner: as valdyn asked; it would have to be, unless ofcourse you're using -A or -B also which would be silly and have funky results
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06:26<sdhoeppner>the lines are 3 lines long on screen, I'm assuming they're wrapped, because the match is only on one of the 3 lines
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06:27<dome>gsimmons: are any of those going to do the routing setup?
06:27<xeon-enouf>cat -A it and see, would be my first thought
06:27<valdyn>xeon-enouf: grep FROM=foo@bar | awk '{print $3}' ( replace the 3 with whatever returns the HELO, $3 = 3rd substring where default seperator is whitespace )
06:27<valdyn>sdhoeppner: ^^^
06:29<valdyn>I don'T see a need for any regex yet
06:30<hargut>is the multiarch support already available on sid?
06:30<xeon-enouf>sdhoeppner: are you snoring...? Zzzz..zzzz ?
06:30<valdyn>hargut: i don't think so
06:30<TeLLuS>The following packages have unmet dependencies: xserver-xorg-video-mach64: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) but it is not going to be installed But I have xserver-xorg-core 2:1.6.3-1+b1 already installled?? In sid..
06:30<valdyn>hargut: it *was* there
06:31<hargut>valdyn: I know that it *was* there in form of ia32-apt-get, but this package doesn't exist anymore.
06:31<valdyn>hargut: yep
06:31<hargut>does someone know why ia32-apt was removed?
06:31<xeon-enouf>bugs hargut ... check BTS?
06:31<sdhoeppner>valdyn: some lines have different substring counts, depending on the postfix reject code, whether blocked due to access.file or by dnsbl
06:31<valdyn>hargut: it does things in a way taht is considered ugly
06:32<valdyn>hargut: it works perfectly fine for me though
06:32<xeon-enouf>s/ugly/fugly/ </slang> ;-)
06:33<hargut>valdyn: yes, it worked here too like I expected it. So I wondered that it was removed again.
06:33<xeon-enouf>sdhoeppner: is that html or xml formatted stuffs? If so, have a look at the xml2 pkg perhaps - or use perl
06:33<hargut>the question now is, go for a full chroot, or just extract the one package I need somewhere and add it to ldconfig...
06:34<sdhoeppner>is there an awk switch to make it count backwards from EOL? helo=<hostname> is always the last substring of each line
06:34<sdhoeppner>if there is it would always be $1 in our example problem
06:34<erin2>can somebody helpe me compile sunbird and thunderbird on debian lenny?
06:35<sdhoeppner>xeon-enouf: it's /var/log/mail.log plain text file
06:36<TeLLuS>Hmm, failed because of still having lenny in sources.. :/
06:36<sdhoeppner>instead of $3 or $5, is there something like $last ?
06:36<sdhoeppner>to tell awk grab the last substring on the line?
06:36<sdhoeppner>that would immediately get me going if there is such a substring identifier
06:37<valdyn>sdhoeppner: better to do a regex in that case then
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06:37<hargut>just do it once and do it fine -> chroot solution.
06:37<sdhoeppner>valdyn: I _feared_ you would say that. I'm clueless with regard to regexs.
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06:38<sdhoeppner>valdyn: there isn't a $last_substring (loose term) capability in awk?
06:39<xeon-enouf>sdhoeppner: install rute-book and read ;-) (i too suck at regex, but it gives a nice primer concerning that) and much more
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06:40<sdhoeppner>xeon-enouf: I have one Debian box, a headless server, and a Winders PC. Is rute-book GUI based for *nix only? If so, I'm screwed. If it's like man pages, text only, I could do it. What's the verdict?
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06:46<Nemoder>you could run a vncserver if bandwidth permits, perhaps that is overkill though
06:47<xeon-enouf>there's a text only version on google - but; $ apt-cache show rutebook
06:47<xeon-enouf>sdhoeppner: " Included are both HTML and PDF versions of this document."
06:48<xeon-enouf>if windows can't do PDF, i suggest you trash it :-p
06:48<sdhoeppner>valdyn: $NF is the number of fields. How can I take its value, and insert it into $subfield? In other words, I pipe a line to awk from grep; $NF is the number of the last field. If I can grab that number, and substitute it for '21' here:r awk '{print $21 }' then we're done.
06:48<sdhoeppner>zeon-enouf: I'd have been running desktop Debian long ago if not for my gaming addiction. ;)
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06:50<sdhoeppner>valdyn: is there a way to do that? To put the value of $NF into print $XX?
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06:50<xeon-enouf>sdhoeppner: FWIW,. seems it's in non-free
06:50<sdhoeppner>it works
06:51<sdhoeppner>didn't even have to pass it. I just put $NF and it works
06:51<sdhoeppner>that's cool
06:51*sdhoeppner dances with glee
06:51<sdhoeppner>thanks for the help guys, couldn't have got this far without your tips!
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06:55<hargut>It's always so much work to get a proprietary linux software working ...
06:56<valdyn>hargut: why?
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06:57<valdyn>i wonder why the skill to create distro packages is exclusive to opera
06:57<hargut>valdyn: 32bit, uses motif, ..., has a ugly setup, and complicated licensing, ...
06:57<valdyn>must be *real* hard
06:57<valdyn>maybe opera should be selling their packaging scripts, not a webbrowser ;)
06:58<hargut>valdyn: it's not opera... ;)
06:59<valdyn>sure, you wouldnt be saying its hard then
07:00<hargut>I don't know opera that well, but maybe I should try it on linux as firefox 3 is not a really good solution...
07:01<valdyn>hargut: im not recommending opera at all ( i dont use it ), just saying that they create packages for a huge variety of distros
07:01<sdhoeppner>awk '{print $10 $NF }' How can I insert some tabs in between $10 and $NF? I've tried various combinations of \t\t\t with and without quotes and awk gives an error
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07:02*sdhoeppner doesn't know awk syntax worth a darn :(
07:02<valdyn>sdhoeppner: String constants in AWK are sequences of characters enclosed between double quotes (").
07:02<valdyn>sdhoeppner: and \t is one of those
07:03<valdyn>sdhoeppner: awk '{ print "\t" }'
07:03<hargut>"failed to display splash dialog" I love that really good error messages. - and why?
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07:03<valdyn>hargut: you are using su ?
07:04<sdhoeppner>I mused have fat fingered. Oh, no, I know what it was, I'd had a comma between $10 and $NF, and I forgot to remove the comma when I tried quotes the first time...grrr
07:04<hargut>valdyn: yes, but I used kdesu which normally worked on 3.5 to get X as root working.
07:04<hargut>valdyn: but I don't know if 4.2 has the same feature in kdesu.
07:04<sdhoeppner>valdyn: it's working for me now. Thanks.
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07:05<valdyn>10 distros and more than one release in each distro and 32 and 64 bit for each it seems
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07:06<xeon-enouf>hargut: i don't know either (ask #debian-kde, or read the docs)
07:06<valdyn>haha, and they even support potato
07:07<valdyn>damn, offtopic
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07:13<hargut>it's the problem with X as root.
07:14<hargut>what was the solution for that? - I'm normally running no X programs as root...
07:14<valdyn>hargut: you can use sudo or sux
07:14<dpkg>sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>.
07:14<valdyn>hargut: sudo needs configuration first so you just might want to install sux
07:14<hargut>sux sounds cool. ;)
07:15<hargut>and works!
07:15<hargut>valdyn: fine thanks.
07:17<ml|>why would you want to run X as root?
07:17<valdyn>he's running a proprietary installer
07:18<valdyn>as root in X, not X as root
07:18<hargut>ml|: the setup of the proprietary installer uses X.
07:19<ml|>ok, just wondering
07:19<adb>proprietary installer ?
07:23<hargut>adb: yes, for ProE Wildfire
07:23<hargut>adb: and gladly they even offer a linux version.
07:24<adb>thanks hargut
07:25<hargut>but linux support has been discontinued in wf4. :/
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07:30<xeon-enouf>gotta start giving back sometime .. otherwise it all folds like a house of redmond cards
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07:44<xbmc>a question about linking and cross compiling if i can, for some reason a copy of php i cross compiled to mips is not dynamically linking itself to libssl, but can be run using the LD_PRELOAD= environment variable. My question is then is there a utility i can use to modify the executable to preload libssl without the LD_PRELOAD, or do i have to dig into the build process?
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07:45<valdyn>rwilco224: linking is done by your linker, not by the executable
07:45<rwilco224>but if i type ldd <executable> it lists some libraries. If i do strings <executable> | grep library each one is listed
07:46<rwilco224>so i figure there should be some utility that can adjust that list
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07:46<valdyn>rwilco224: if you need to use LD_PRELOAD then your ld /etc/ does not include the proper path or you didnt run ldconfig
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07:46<rwilco224>valdyn: in my experience that is only true when ldd reports an unfound library
07:47<rwilco224>in this case ldd doesn't even know it needs libssl
07:47<rwilco224>upon running the executable i get an unfound symbol error, not an unfound library error
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07:49<rwilco224>so, no clue ? :( there has got to be some way to inform the dynamic linker that libssl is amoung the required libraries, and that is some way or another detected from the executable itself
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08:36<wekt>EmleyMoor, or others: do you know how to delete a page of a PDF without otherwise altering it? or to remove properties/attributes set in it like title, producer?
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08:37<cahoot>wekt: see what pdftk offers
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09:08<dome>thx for the help
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09:48<dpkg>a way to change the root directory of a process, see also
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09:50<bja>dpkg: tell stuckey about selftell
09:50<stuckey>Thanks bja
09:51<stuckey>I was looking on a refresher in using chroot since I'm going to package a new version of spring.
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10:00<Rhonda>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3 # where would one have to look for that these days?
10:04<adb>Rhonda: just ignore it ..
10:05<gsimmons>Rhonda: It's in firmware-nonfree's VCS, which was taken from the linux-firmware GIT tree. But it should not be necessary unless you need TSO or have a very old hardware revision.
10:06<Rhonda>gsimmons: The firmware-linux package doesn't contain it (yet?)
10:06<gsimmons>Rhonda: Not yet.
10:08<Rhonda>locklace: Thanks for the link. :)
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10:17<stuckey>Could anyone help me install a chroot?
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10:18<Gold24>man debootstrap ?
10:18<stuckey>debootstrap didn't fail
10:18<stuckey>dchroot fails
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10:18<Gold24>so you need help using your chroot :P
10:19<stuckey>Gold24: yes. Why is there like "chroot", "dchroot" and "schroot"?
10:19<stuckey>What's the difference
10:19<Gold24>try plain old chroot and see what happens
10:19<Gold24>well i don't know dchroot personally
10:19<stuckey>I got it
10:19<stuckey>Works now, thanks
10:20<Gold24>but schroot is made to allow non priviledged users enter a chroot
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10:26<patrikf>schroot is also useful for automatically bind-mounting /proc etc.
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10:27<bja>Is there a way to make an option permanent within vim or do i have to edit .vimrc by hand?
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10:27<Gold24>edit .vimrc
10:27<bja>Gold24: thought so
10:27<Gold24>it's likely the easiest solution anyway :)
10:28<Gold24>but you can always use :e .vimrc that way you don't technically leave vim ;)
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10:29<bja>Gold24: thx did it that way
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10:36<Gold24>bja: np :))
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10:40<fmr>ahah klh un clermontois
10:41<klh>pas exactement
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10:41<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
10:42<fmr>bja: no prob ;)
10:42<fmr>klh: ils sont lourd avec ça hihi
10:42<klh>fmr, speak english here please
10:42<fmr>yes sir
10:42<klh>sir yes sir is better
10:42<klh>call me hartman
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10:43<bja>no, nous non some come sa mais ici c'est une chanel an Anglais
10:43<klh>hehe bja well :)
10:43<fmr>bja: eheh
10:44<bja>sorry my keyboard doesn't have the c with the little tail
10:44<fmr>bépo powahhhh
10:44<klh>are you a pijama fmr ?
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10:46<fmr>klh: ahah
10:48<adb>klh: oy
10:48<klh>oy adb how are you ? :)
10:48<adb>fine, tkx
10:49<bja>Gentlemen --> #debian-offtopic
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11:00<Snoupy>hi there
11:01<Snoupy>any 1 ?
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11:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:02<RobertF>[Debian Etch] / Xine / I can't read mpeg streaming,
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11:04<Snoupy>ok. i am using debian lenny. anacron is not started in a domU guest (also debian lenny) when i restart the whole xen systems anacron is not started. but If I reboot the domU guest after a first boot (without rebooting dom0) anacron is started. Why this ?
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11:07<Snoupy>any 1 N
11:07<dpkg>The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
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11:10<Snoupy>the fact that you are volunteers does not give you the right to give the impression you want to help people while nobody is even not considering questions
11:11<bja>Snoupy: forgive my ignorance if i can't help you, but there are people with more profound knowledge than myself, which usually on saturdays are not available
11:12<Snoupy>this is was not aimed at you particularly
11:12<bja>since i posted the patience message, i believe it was aimed directly at me
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11:13<bja>If you wait for some time, i believe the local expert might arrive and look at you question, it may take some time
11:13<cahoot>Snoupy: why do you conclude: " while nobody is even not considering questions" ?
11:14<bja>cahoot: let's not make a rant out of a misplaced comment
11:14<Snoupy>i see hundreds of names and not a single answer
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11:16<olasd>Snoupy: is anacron started in the guest before you reboot the host? I think (not sure though) that guests are frozen and unfrozen during a host reboot, that would explain it
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11:21<Snoupy>that's a bug then
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11:31<Snoupy>or at least some lack of documentation
11:33<Snoupy>ok you were right olasd
11:33<Snoupy>there is not a shutdown reboot but a save restore be defaut in lenny
11:34<Snoupy>which prevents anacron from running
11:35<Snoupy>very confusing choice from debian i think
11:36<olasd>I think it's the upstream default
11:36<Snoupy>yes that 's what i m looking in some docs
11:36<Snoupy>now i understand why domU are restarted so fast after a domU boot
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11:38<Snoupy>in my opinion it should be by default the contrary - a normal shutdown restart unless you want to speed things up and expose yourself to strange behaviors from packages like anacron and the like
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11:41<Snoupy>bye then
11:41<Snoupy>and thks
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11:57<[Ese]>I'm using gparted to format a flashcard to fat16 and fat16 doesn't appear in the filesystem list
11:57<[Ese]>just the ext's and linux-swap
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12:08<chrisben>Hi Everyone, I've botched a system pretty good and am looking for a .deb of kernel 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8 so I can make this box boot again.
12:08<chrisben>anyone have a collection of obsolete packages?
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12:44<rumil>hola, tengo un problema con el reconocimiento de USB en windows. El Pc no lo reconoce alguien sabe que puede pasar ?
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12:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:54<ckr09>Hi there. I'm new to Debian. So far, everything's been working fine, XFCE, etc. Except for sound.
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12:55<ckr09>Is there anybody who can help?
12:56<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
12:57<ml|>try that, or wait for help
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12:58<cahoot>ckr09: test sound from terminal with speaker-test -t wav -c2
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12:59<ckr09>Nope. I don't hear a thing.
12:59<cahoot>but no error?
12:59<ckr09>That's correct; no error.
13:00<cahoot>ckr09: try (as root) invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 then speaker-test again
13:00<ckr09>cahoot: When you say as root, do you mean use "su - root", or use "sudo"?
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13:01<cahoot>ckr09: whatever works for you
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13:02<ckr09>Still nothing.
13:02<cahoot>ckr09: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one?
13:02<ckr09>Would it be any help if I specified which card I'm using?
13:02<cahoot>ckr09: correct card0 is the default
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13:03<ckr09>Yup. It only lists one card. An Audigy Se.
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13:04<cahoot>ckr09: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* - nothing occupying the device?
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13:05<ckr09>cahoot: Nothing came up. Does that mean anything?
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13:05<cahoot>ckr09: the only other thing I can suggest is to run alsamixer look for Analog/Digital output jack (or such) and toggle that
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13:06<cahoot>ckr09: preferrably whil running speaker-test from another terminal at the same time
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13:07<ckr09>cahoot: Analog/Digital output jack? I see analog source and digital source, separate options. But they are under capture, not playback.
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13:10<ckr09>cahoot: Actually, it won't be necessary. I got sound working. =D Thank you!
13:10<ckr09>There was this strange toggle, but it wasn't titled analog/digital.
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13:11<ckr09>I muted it, and sound worked. I feel dumb that I didn't think of that first.
13:12<ranieri>can anyone help with an evolution email problem?
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13:15<ranieri>Can some one please help with evolution email app problem?
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13:41<Samiz0rz>Hey guys
13:42<Samiz0rz>I have a server and I'm about change to Debian from Ubuntu
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13:42<Samiz0rz>But I ran into a problem
13:42<Samiz0rz>Does the OS really consist from so much data that it needs 31 cd's?
13:43<klh>31 cds are for the complete distro
13:43<klh>you can install with just the first one
13:44<Samiz0rz>What features will I be lacking if I only use the first one?
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13:44<klh>I don't know I never used it, I use the netinstall iso installer
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13:45<klh>it's a minimal system, after I just add packages I want
13:45<zenfur>hi all
13:45<Samiz0rz>That would be good for a server
13:45<zenfur>I've got a problem with mysql
13:45<klh>yes Samiz0rz it's good if you know what you need
13:45<zenfur>I've done aptitude update and aptitude safe-upgrade
13:46<zenfur>and it downloaded new version of mysql
13:46<zenfur>now it can't start, and my aptitude won't work until it configure it
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13:46<zenfur>should I copy logs?
13:47<zenfur>(or I will be muted?)
13:47<klh>zenfur, don't paste your logs here
13:47<zenfur>paste bin
13:47<zenfur>remembered ;)
13:48<zenfur>*polish comunicates*
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13:57<Zylvain>i'm parsing the loaded modules
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13:57<Zylvain>lsmod | cut -d" " -f1
13:58<Zylvain>how can i pipe to get the debian-package each module belongs to ?
13:58<Zylvain>is there a command to know the providing package, for a given module name ?
13:58<bobby>I'm under XFCe and have 2 desktops
13:59<bobby>but when I swith to the other one, I still see the minimized program in the can I not see those??
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14:03<chealer>Zylvain: no, you'll want to start mapping module names to module files
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14:05<christoph>anyone knows what zsh's ssh host completion is using?
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14:11<Zylvain>chealer: i see, xargs dpkg -S
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14:15<Zylvain>lsmod | cut -d" " -f1 | grep -v Module | while read driver; do echo $driver; dpkg -S $driver ; echo ; done
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14:43<EmleyMoor>I am trying to generate a PDF form starting from a scanned paper form... OpenOffice would probably be easiest to do that in but I can't work out how to make it work
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14:45<Gathond>EmleyMoor: convert
14:46<Gathond>is my guess, its part of imagemagic
14:46<Gathond>or no, form ... so you don't just want the scanned page?
14:47<EmleyMoor>Gathond: I am sure that won't help. I have the graphical part - it's adding working fields to it that has me stumped
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14:51<Zylvain>if i have the kernel 2.6.30-1-686
14:51<Zylvain>would madwifi-modules-2.6.26-2-686 still work ?
14:52<Zylvain>because I can see any madwifi-modules-2.6.30 around
14:52<EmleyMoor>Zylvain: Do you have the madwifi source?
14:52<Zylvain>EmleyMoor: no....
14:53<Zylvain>if I had, I would m-a a-i it...
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14:53<Zylvain>but i dont have the sources
14:54<Zylvain>madwifi-source is not suggested anymore in this new kernel...
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14:54<Zylvain>how to get around this
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14:54<EmleyMoor>Zylvain: See if the modules are already present
14:55<Zylvain>there are not
14:56<Zylvain>i miss ath_hal, ath_pci, wlan, wlan_scan_sta, etc...
14:56<EmleyMoor>Zylvain: I would get the source and go ahead - other that that I don't know
14:56<EmleyMoor>I need in more depth...
14:57<Zylvain>m-a a-i can take a source folder as argument ?
14:57<Zylvain>really, if I have to recompile the drivers, i'd better run gentoo...
14:57<chealer>Zylvain: yes
14:57<Zylvain>why my wifi is cut
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14:58<chealer>Zylvain: no, LKM-s need to be compiled for the Linux version in use
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14:59<Zylvain>should I wait a couple of days and see if further apt-get update brings some fix ?
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15:00<Golfgeo>Hi all
15:00<Zylvain>i'm using debian for its simplicity and stability, by lack of time
15:01<Zylvain>i shouldn't turn this server in testing, my mistake
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15:01<Zylvain>a reinstall in stable will make it....
15:01<bja>Zylvain: good luck
15:02<chealer>Zylvain: some fix to what?
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15:02<Zylvain>some fix to the atheros wifi
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15:03<Zylvain>oh i haven't tried dpkg-reconfigure -a
15:03<Golfgeo>Got a virtualbox question: are multiple cpu cores supported at this time?
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15:06<chealer>Zylvain: maybe you can be more vague
15:09<Zylvain>chealer: wifi suddenly stops working after a reboot, even without any apt-get upgrade
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15:09<Zylvain>then i upgrade and i turned to 2.6.30, without any madwifi at all
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15:10<chealer>!tell Zylvain about doesn't work
15:10<Zylvain>then i boot back to 2.6.28 and I found I had no wifi + no eth0 there
15:10<Zylvain>so i think my server is crewed and i dont see anything but reinstall
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15:11<Zylvain>if i had time, sure i would dig into the issue
15:12<Zylvain>but whatever, thanks for your advices
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15:16<Gathond>EmleyMoor: sorry, got distracted, I don't think anything but adobe software actually does this
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15:24<Zylvain>EmleyMoor: have you tried with Scribus ?
15:24<Zylvain>you can set your scan as the page background
15:25<EmleyMoor>Gathond: Reported otherwise elsewhere.
15:25<EmleyMoor>Zylvain: It's the rest of it I am having trouble with, but I will check that out
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15:29<edbian>Can somebody explain bonding to me? I'm looking at this: and I dont' understand some of the different types.
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15:59<kode>Identify what?
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16:02<edbian>Can somebody explain bonding to me? I'm looking at this: and I dont' understand some of the different types.
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16:06<ogt>hey, for a dell p4 laptop, which deb install do i use? i386?
16:06<ogt>out of the different architectures i mean
16:06<edbian>ogt: p4 is x86
16:06<edbian>ogt: So yeah, i386
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16:07<ogt>Thank you edbian
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16:07<edbian>ogt: NP
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16:10<ogt>29 cds or 5 dvds, wtf, why is this distro so much larger than others
16:10<kode>that would include <everything>
16:10<rudi_s>ogt: Use the netinstall cd; you don't the rest.
16:10<kode>you don't need that much,r eally. just go with the netinstall
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16:11<edbian>ogt: You only need the first cd or dvd to install a complete system. The other 28 are the complete repos
16:11<ogt>i think i might, i only got 1 200mb cd, and two dvds with me, heh, i may have a 700mb cd
16:11<kode>200M cd should suffice
16:12<ogt>repos = repositories? and that is the source for all the packages?
16:12<edbian>repos is repositories yes
16:12<edbian>all the packages
16:12<rudi_s>ogt: Yes. And the install fetches all the missing packages automatically if you have internet connection.
16:12<rudi_s>And later you can install all the packages you need with aptitude.
16:13<ogt>sorry for noob questions, i been using slackware for long time, just new to debain,
16:13<ogt>are there any livecds that run debain?
16:13<rudi_s>!tell ogt about live cd
16:14<ogt>Thanks again, wow, this is a very supportive channel
16:14<edbian>ogt: If you use slackware you're NOT a noob :)
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16:15<rudi_s>You're welcome ;-)
16:16<ogt>i know just enough, to know how much there is i don't know.
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16:17<ogt>i personally think that slackware is a more user friendly distro than most of the others i've tried, dunno why, i mean, if you understand partitioning with fdisk then its a snap
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16:24<ogt>but an admin friend who i've put much faith in had suggestd i check out debian, BUT, i just switched my laptop from slackware to Backtrack4, an Ubuntu linux distro, cause i do a lotta wardriving, but, i guess i could use apt-get or someting to install the stuff i use, im just a lil wary of formatin my perfecly configed system, Does anyone know if parition magic can make a partition from some windows free space(ntfs) or i have an ext3 partition now, any
16:24<ogt> way to make another partition without del current OS's
16:25*ogt laffs at 'perfectly configured' what i meant to say, is, it works
16:25<Flakk>Hi people, I have a strange problem which has survived already 2 re-installations of lenny. Namely, the epiphay browser opens a window "Yahoo mail" at boot although I never asked for it. any help?
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16:26<edbian>ogt: That's called "dual booting" All you have to do is use "gparted" to shrink your old partition and then make a new partition to install a new OS on. You can have 2 OS's on 1 harddrive (you can have 3 or 4!!!)
16:27<Paggas>Flakk: maybe it's its homepage?
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16:29<Flakk>paggas: let me check this, thx
16:29<ogt>i already have 2, i only have enough free space for a new partition on my ntfs file sys, so, i didn't know if it could be shrunk, i guess that does some kinda defrag? before shrinking?
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16:31<ogt>also, with the other live cd's i've used, i could do a normal install with them, if i d/l the liveversion, and like it does it have a way to install to disk?
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16:33<Flakk>paggas: the problem is that I do not succeed to fix the "blank page" as the home page, I ckick it but then it disappears, and the next bootit is the same story. also at every boot the terminal window appears, although I never asked for it
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16:34<ogt>is it restoring a previous session?
16:34<Flakk>ogt: nope, it is restoring the "Yahoo mal" window, independently of the previous session
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16:34<Paggas>Flakk: maybe you have set up some autostart scripts? there is a gnome utility for that, if you're running gnome, there are also some autostart directories under ~, maybe check these out too :)
16:35<rufensis>Any VPN experts out there. I've asked this question on ubuntu irc for several days and nobody has picked it up. For some reason my pptp vpn works fine in debian lenny but will not work in my ubuntu jaunty media server with the exact same settings. I know I probably shouldn't be asking this of this group, but does anyone have any hints where I might start to look for the problem (i.e. the bios, the kernel, the config files for pptp)?
16:35<Paggas>Flakk: not directly under ~, can't recall now :/
16:35<ogt>i get a konqeror window with usb00 that opens every time
16:35<Flakk>paggas: yes I m running gnome - could you tell me where I should check the autostart?
16:36<ogt>does anyone know if you can install to a harddrive with the livecd, if i decide i like it?
16:36<edbian>ogt: You can
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16:38<adb>not so sure edbian ..
16:38<ogt>Cool, i can't afford to d.l and burn all the differnt stuff, to test, yes that means i can't afford a 25cent cd heh
16:38<Paggas>Flakk: there is a configuration item in the menu
16:38<ogt>ut o
16:38<jmarsden>ogt: You can boot from a USB stick if you prefer that to burning a CD... or use a CDRW so you can erase it and re-burn it?
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16:39<Flakk>paggas: yes I know, but I can not find any "startup" item there
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16:40<ogt>im just wondering if the live cd will install it, or if i decide i want it, ill need to get the reg version?
16:41<Paggas>Flakk: i don't mean the app menu, i think it's the third menu, right next to the "locations" menu :)
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16:42<Flakk>paggas: you mean system -> preferences?
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16:44<Paggas>Flakk: somewhere under system :D
16:45<Flakk>well there is "startup programs" but this does nto contain epiphanym neither terminal
16:46<Paggas>Flakk: then that's not where the problem is :)
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16:46<Paggas>Flakk: except if you had written a script that starts a terminal or epiphany, and you forgot afterwards :P
16:48<Flakk>paggas I am sure I dd not write a script
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16:48<Paggas>Flakk: have a look at /etc/xdg/autostart, i too discovered it recently, didn't look it up much, seems it contains .desktop files that start up whenever any user logs into a desktop environment
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16:49<akaladis>Flakk: also check the terminal's or epiph's parent PID
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16:52<Flakk>ok thanx a lot, this does not seem to settle the prob however
16:53<Flakk>good night
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17:24<zem>anyone runing vbox on 2.6.30?
17:25<zem>keeps on telling me
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17:26<zem>i tried with m-a but it doesn't seem to help
17:27<ogt>for a channle with 400 people its awfully quiet
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17:28<zem>i have installed: virtualbox-ose, vitualbox-ose-modules-2.6.30-1-686, virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-686, virtualbox-ose-source
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17:29<adb>remove old vbox packages
17:30<adb>all of them ..
17:30<adb>ogt: the later, /msg dpkg netinstall
17:31<zem>adb: will "complete removal" in synaptic do?
17:32<adb>but i never tried ..
17:32<zem>and how should i install it? synaptic? m-a? something else?
17:33<adb> synaptic + m-a for modules
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17:37<massuchetto>hi! i have two computers here, both with debian connected throught dhcp to a modem + router... both with same dns and route outputs... i really dont know why one of them cant connect to the internet
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17:39<zem>tnx for help adb
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17:41<zem>massuchetto: can you ping the router from both?
17:42<massuchetto>zem, the router is not pingable from the one who cant connect
17:42<zem>can you ping the other machine from it?
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17:43<massuchetto>zem, no]
17:43<massuchetto>zem, network lights are all on
17:43<zem>something wrong with the ip?
17:43<massuchetto>zem, and dhcp connection too
17:43<massuchetto>well... i dont know
17:43<massuchetto>how can i find this out?
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17:44<ogt>ifconfig interface?
17:44<zem>compare ips
17:44<massuchetto>the modem assigned an ip from dhcp normally
17:44<ogt>er just ifconfig is you don't know the intterface
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17:46<ogt>using gparted to resize, does the drive disk have to be unmounted?
17:46<ogt>er partition i mean
17:47<massuchetto>thats weird]
17:47<massuchetto>everything seems to be ok.. ip dns route etc
17:47<massuchetto>i just cant ping anything
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17:48<ogt>can you ping your self
17:48<ogt>heh, like ping the machines IP
17:48<massuchetto>ogt, yes
17:48<ogt>er 127 even
17:48<ogt>you got an ip, and gateway ?
17:49<massuchetto>ogt, im not sure about gateway
17:49<massuchetto>ogt, how can i check this?
17:49<ogt>somtimes i get ip and gateway, but no DNS servers, but if your pinging the ips dns doesn't matter
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17:49<ogt>your using kde?
17:49<massuchetto>but i would like to know thgough command line
17:49<ogt>i don't use debain, but if you got xwin there should be a network monitor tool that will tell you
17:50<ogt>hang on lemme check mine
17:50<massuchetto>well i uninstalled network-manager
17:50<massuchetto>that was pissing me off
17:51<ogt>inet addr: Bcast: Mask: is what my ifconfig shows, but it doesn't show my gateway
17:51<ogt>im not sure how you see it, maybe tracert
17:51<starlypt>is anyone familar with knoppix, that is expanding unionfs, or adding 1 partition to another, ..... unionctl --add doesn't work in 2.xx and doesn't appear to be labelled aufs/// don't know why it still says /UNIONFS
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17:52<ogt>but if your not hitin the gateway i doooubt tracert will show anything, you wouldnt be making the first hop
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17:53<massuchetto>ogt, im googling how to check the gateway]
17:53<ogt>im aksin somebody too
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17:54<ogt>maybe we will both learn something, i mean i know how to check it using a app, but not from terminal
17:54<massuchetto>ogt, that should be simple =P
17:54<ogt>then why don't you do it?
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17:55<ml|>massuchetto: was this working fine with nm?
17:55<massuchetto>ml|, i uninstalled due to problems on another network
17:55<ogt>that wasn't the question heh
17:56<ml|>ok, but was it working fine with it?
17:56<massuchetto>ml|, i dont know if it works fine on this network
17:56<ogt>did it ever work? if so, what changes did you make prior to it stoping
17:56<massuchetto>ogt, i never came to this network before
17:56<ogt>do you know the name of the interface?
17:56<massuchetto>ogt, but it was working fine priorly
17:56<ogt>have you done ifup
17:56<massuchetto>ogt, yes
17:57<massuchetto>ogt, ifup,, yes
17:57<ml|>massuchetto: you might to edit /etc/network/interfaces
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17:57<ogt>k and it gets the dhcp info, yer it should show what machine is giving you the ip
17:58<ogt>what is your local ip? if its 169.* i think you aint gettin one
17:58<massuchetto>ogt, the machine giving me the ip os the
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17:58<ml|>but stop networking first if you do edit it, /etc/init.d/networking stop
17:58<massuchetto>ogt, dhcp show me that
17:58<ogt>narcan, i've got a lil vial of that for emergencys
17:58<massuchetto>ml|, i copied interfaces file from the working computer
17:58<ogt>when i do ifup i see the ip of the machine giving me the info
17:59<massuchetto>ogt, lets see
17:59<ogt>heh, do you know what narcan is?
17:59<ml|>massuchetto: ok, but that might not work on this one
18:00<ogt>if you OD on opiates, you get a shot of narcan and snap right out of it, i take a LOT of opiates, so... i keep narcan just in case
18:00<massuchetto>ogt, ifup tells me DHCPAK from
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18:00<ogt>what dose ifconfig say yer ip is?
18:00<massuchetto>ml|, i copied adjusting the interface values
18:00<narcan>yes I know narcan
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18:00<massuchetto>ogt, my ip is
18:01<narcan>I'm nurse
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18:01<ogt>okay, and you said you have an identical machine? just curious no IP conflicts?
18:01<ogt>i wouldn't imagin so but,
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18:01<massuchetto>ogt, it does not seem to be an ip conflict
18:02<ogt>have you tried using static ip?
18:02<massuchetto>ogt, no
18:02<ogt>set your ip to or something not used, and yer gateway to 10,10.10.1 and the ntry to ping it
18:02<massuchetto>ogt i can ask for an ip through ifup cant i?
18:02<ogt>i doubt it will help but...
18:03<ogt>if the interface is using dhcp it will ask for IP
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18:05<ogt>narcan, did you pick your name because of the narcan drug?
18:05<ogt>just curious
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18:05<narcan>ogt: yes of course
18:05<narcan>ogt: I'm nurse
18:05<ogt>you use opiates?
18:05<narcan>only in my job ;)
18:06<ogt>i feel like im getting dope sick just talking to someone named narcan lol
18:06<TehZorroness>how can I make an init script (like networking) run by default?
18:06<massuchetto>ogt, i was wondering if was the cables
18:06<massuchetto>but it wasnt
18:07<ogt>heh, so lemme ask you, the narcan you use/have access to, does it come in a bottle like the old morphine ampules, or like kind you stick a needle into a rubber hole?
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18:07<adb>ogt: keep on topic , please
18:08<narcan>adb: +1
18:08<ogt>./msg plz narcan
18:08<narcan>ogt: private message please
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18:08<adb> use #debian-offtopic
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18:09<ogt>adb, sorry, just spontanious,
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18:10<massuchetto_>ogt, no success
18:10<massuchetto_>ogt, changed the cables... it doesnt work
18:11<ogt>im sorry, im not more useful, massuchetto
18:12<massuchetto_>ml|, added the gateway line to interfaces file... no sucees
18:12<massuchetto_>ogt, thanks anyway for your time
18:12<joel>hi, on my laptop has an intel centrino dual core and has two 4GB ram, that's the maximum supported by the board. My prefered OS is debian GNU/Linux unstable. Now I have the following problem when I run a bigmem kernel then I don't have any graphics acceleration :( but with the kernel that supports 4GB of ram I have graphics acceleration. I need help.
18:12<ogt>TehZorroness, you can just add the command you use to bring up your network to rc.local
18:13<ogt>i've done that in slackware, i don't know if debain works the same
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18:14<ml|>massuchetto_: ask again in a bit, maybe someone else can help you later
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18:15<massuchetto_>ml|, yeah.. ill try
18:15<massuchetto_>ml|, thanks!
18:15<TehZorroness>ogt, I'll give it a shot now
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18:15<massuchetto_>is there a channel about linux networking?
18:16<ogt>i dunno, i use efnet #linuxhelp and linux
18:16<ogt>it may be linux-help
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18:16<ml|>massuchetto_: maybe there is one on freenode
18:17<ml|>networking channel that is
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18:25<massuchetto_>when i try to set the gateway through 'route', it says SIOCADDRT: No process... or something...
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18:26<adb>Dexter: spam ?
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19:17<kbad>does debian compile their packages with -fstack-protector?
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19:21<joel>when I run `dmesg | grep drm` I get some output and one line says the following: "[drm] MTRR allocation failed. Graphics performance may suffer." What does it mean?
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19:28<squelos>can anyone tell me how to install a font on my debian lenny running gnome ?
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19:28<squelos>its for the gimp, but i would like to change the font anyway
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19:32<ogt>i think you put the font in the right dir and run a update script, but i don't know the syntax, so i guess i am useless
19:32<ogt>brb rebooting to check out debian for first time,
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19:36<ml|>!install font
19:36<dpkg>To install fonts for just one user, copy then into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <kfontinst>). To install them system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root.
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19:37<ml|>squelos: /msg dpkg fonts for more info
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19:44<ml|>squelos: i find ttf-mscorefonts-installer package useful
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19:45<squelos>ml => is it a package with fonts in it ?
19:45<squelos>or a package to install the fonts ?
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19:45<ml|>both aptitude show ttf-mscorefonts-installer
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19:48<Guest449>Hey folks,anyone knows how to create a local repository?
19:48<ml|>squelos: also ttf-liberation and ttf-dejavu packages are good
19:48<squelos>well i got my fonts on dafont.
19:48<squelos>i just want to use them.
19:48<squelos>but it seems to be a bit complicated ...
19:48<squelos>like, putting them in a special folder, running such command etc ...
19:49<ml|>not to difficult just a bit of work, tho i have not done it in a while
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19:52<squelos>how can i copy the files into the usr folder ? I would like to do it graphicaly (not with a terminal) but i need to be root
19:52<squelos>how can i become root for a moment ?
19:54<ml|>i believe gksu for gnome will do that
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19:55<dpkg>gksu is a graphical interface for running X apps as another user such as root. aptitude install gksu. Also ask me about <sux>.
19:55<squelos>what is the command to launch an explorer ?
19:55<ml|>dpkg: tell squelos about sux
19:56<squelos>well as in windows explorer. The file browser
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19:57<ml|>you mean in liunx?
19:58<squelos>to launch it with gksu
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19:58<ml|>in gnome?
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20:00<squelos>nautilus ?
20:00<ml|>i think the name is nautilus so gksu nautilus
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20:02<squelos>got it :)
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20:03<ml|>!congratulate squelos
20:03<dpkg>Woohoo squelos, you did it!
20:03<squelos>thanks. it really was very hard. i have to admit it.
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20:06<ml|>good as long as you learn :)
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20:07<squelos>its the kind of stuff i hate doing :/
20:07<markrian>Are there any graphics cards out there with a decent, free driver? That is, one that can do Xv, randr 1.2+, and ideally reasonable 3D (not into PC gaming, but nice to have accelerated GL if I need it)
20:08*ml| won't say the obvious
20:08<squelos>nvidia id say.
20:08<squelos>Well i dunno really. Im an ati fanboy, but i must admit the drivers are worse than the nvidia drivers
20:09<markrian>the nvidia binary driver is somewhat crashy for me, the nv driver is useless for my card, and the nouveau driver won't be available for quite a while (and I'm impatient ;)
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20:09<squelos>but now, has ati not released the specs of their gpus ?
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20:10<squelos>i think your french
20:10<squelos>nouveau/new ?
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20:10<squelos>or is it just for the style ? :D
20:10<squelos>Why not get the proprietary drivers ?
20:10<ml|>well for free drivers intel's seem to be the better ones atm, but that is only for laptops, ati is doing free drivers also but have a ways to go
20:10<markrian>It's the name of a new FOSS driver for nvidia cards, to replace the rubbish nv driver
20:11<squelos>oh fuck. i seem very stupid now.
20:11*squelos slaps himself with a large trout
20:11<squelos>can the nv driver go up to 1440*900 ?
20:11<ml|>yes nouveau, but still in the dev stage iirc
20:12<markrian>ml|: so, basically, there isn't a card with a full-featured, free driver for Linux?
20:12<dpkg>Nouveau is a project, with the goal of providing open-source 3D acceleration for nVidia cards. Current development status: . #nouveau on
20:12<squelos>wait a sec, gonna get a bite out of this dish of frogs legs
20:12<squelos>markrian => i think some free drivers do exist.
20:12<ml|>markrian: not that i know of
20:13<squelos>ml => i used to have free drivers when i installed debian for the first time a few years ago.
20:13<squelos>i had free drivers. They worked well enought to surf on the internet and do stuff like that.
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20:14<ml|>yes that is what nv does and others
20:14<markrian>squelos: yes, but if you want dual-screen with Xv support and desktop compositing, apparently you're out of luck
20:14<markrian>That's a shame
20:14<ml|>but 3d and for nvidia, ati free none atm that i know of
20:15<ml|>that are good
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20:15<arw>some one knows about the debian mail list rules tha talk about top posting?
20:15<arw>a link ?
20:15<squelos>yeah indeed you are out of luck :)
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20:16<ml|>arw: try
20:17<arw>ml|: i had read this
20:17<arw>but does not talk about top posting
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20:18<ml|>arw: dunno what that is
20:18<arw>ml|: i mean void topposting ina mail list
20:19<ml|>some day we will have good free 3d drivers, just takes time since they have to reverse engineer them now
20:19<chealer>arw: what do you mean by "top posting"?
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20:19<ml|>arw: don't understand
20:20<arw>chealer: to void answer a mail writing at the top of the question
20:21<chealer>arw: I can't parse that
20:21<ml|>heh, me either
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20:22<arw>i a mailing list some write a fist question
20:23<ml|>arw: do you mean delete a submited email to the list?
20:24<simNIX>if unfamiliar with how to gt best answers out of mailinglist I recomend a start at
20:24<arw>no.. this a top posting questio answer
20:26<arw>ml|: the goog way to answer a question in a mail list
20:26<chealer>arw: what is your native language?
20:26<ml|>arw: dunno, but once it's there i would think only the admin of the list would be able to do that
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20:27<arw>chealer: spanish, but i want to know if exists in english a rule that talk about it
20:27<arw>in debian
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20:28<chealer>arw: maybe #debian-es could tell you
20:28<arw>chealer: thanks any way
20:28<ml|>i bet he already tried ;)
20:29<arw>i kwo the spanish rules
20:29<arw>but i want to know if exist in english
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20:30<ml|>whatever the rule is in spanish should be the same in english
20:30<arw>ml| and chealer this is what i mean
20:31<arw>i want to know if in debian's mailing lists exist something that talk about it
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20:33<chealer>arw: ah. I think there are no rules about that, but you could ask #debian-lists
20:34<ml|>arw: yes, i understand, maybe ask one of the admin's of a list
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20:35<arw>chealer ml| thank you
20:35<ml|>np, tho i wasn't much help
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20:36<totto>hi all
20:36<arw>i am now in #debian-lists
20:37<ml|>arw: good luck
20:37<arw>ml|: thx
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20:44<kardan>who is running lenny and would like to help me testing a possbile pidgin bug?
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20:50<abrotman>wow ?
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20:51<kardan>i didnt expect nobody runs lenny
20:51<abrotman>kardan: lots of people do .. but according to that bug .. it would affect squeeze also
20:51<abrotman>judd: versions pidgin
20:51<judd>abrotman: pidgin -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny2~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny3 lenny-backports: 2.5.8-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.5.8-1+b1 sid: 2.5.9-1
20:51<abrotman>and sid
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20:53<kardan>i would like to answer ari but am not runny lenny. so maybe somebody could test if that bug occurs in pidgin 2.4.3
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20:55<kardan>i suppose yes, but that is pretty irrelevant
20:56<abrotman>but that bug would likely exist in squeeze/sid also
20:57<kardan>it is just a matter of time, that 2.6.1 comes into squeeze. the question is, if a backport is needed for lenny
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20:57<kardan>(pidgin 2.6.1 is in experimantal sind aug 20th)
20:59<kardan>this is the debian way of packaging if I understand it right. but please tell me if i am wron
20:59<abrotman>you could also ask #debian on freenode
20:59*kardan will do so
21:00<abrotman>kardan: or you could look at the diff .. see which files it affects .. and check the source package for pidgin from lenny
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21:05<abrotman>kardan: did you check the source ?
21:07<kardan>abrotman its here:
21:07<abrotman>yeah .. i found that .. i asked if *you* got the source from lenny ?
21:07<kardan>its the tag of 2.4.3
21:08*kardan checks
21:08<abrotman>i'll take that as .. you don't know how
21:11<abraham>kardan do you have amd64?
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21:16<abraham>i built pidgin and have a deb package but its 2.5.8
21:16<kardan>i tried to find out if that patch is applied in
21:16<kardan>it doesnt seem so
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21:22<Chubrebous>To precisando de auxilio pra instalar o emc2 aqui
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21:23<kardan>abrahom are you able to reproduce the error?
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21:26<kardan>i found somebody for testing on a lenny vm. he connected without problems to a server without ssl
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21:27<kardan>so i take the bug for reproduced in 2.4.3
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21:49<kardan>as this could been reproduced for 2.4.3 on lenny its advisable to reopen the bug
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21:52<kardan>i my open it is not enough to schedule the fix to come in squeeze, but to keep it open until it really arrived
21:53<kardan>s/i my open/in my opinion/
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22:12<kardan>its good to feel at least no resistance -.-
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22:17<candelaresi>hello... i can't install macromedia flash 10
22:17<candelaresi>in my iceweasel
22:17<abrotman>!tell candelaresi about adobe flash
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22:17<candelaresi>i dowloaded the .so file
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22:17<candelaresi>but i don't know where put it...
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22:18<candelaresi>i'm from argentina, but in the spanish channel... there is nobody...
22:18<candelaresi>escuse me if my enlgish is so poor...
22:18<candelaresi>excuse me...
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22:19<candelaresi>wow... the dpkg answer me...
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