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01:09<sney>so, I was going to file a bug against 2.6.30 because my cd tray kept ejecting on its own for no reason
01:09<sney>but now the problem has mysteriously gone away
01:10<sney>anyone else see this problem or do I have a ghost in my house
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01:13<kardan>sney is your cd tray very dirty?
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01:14<sney>nope, I only use it once in a while
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01:14<sney>and it only happened for about a day or 2
01:14<sney>there wasn't anything in it, either
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01:21<SoCo_cpp>ugh..Im stuck. I'm trying to reinstall VirtualBox on lenny 2.6.26-2-686 .. when I apt-get upgrade 'd my vboxdrv kernel module dissappeared. and now it wont install right... ive been sifting the same stuff that dont work for me on google the entire day :(
01:22<SoCo_cpp>so I tried to remove all the vb packaged and redo them, but something still aint right... no /etc/init.d/vboxdrv or /dev/vboxdrv ... did the m-a a-i virtualbox-ose and the dpkg -i virtualbox-ose-modules* and all...looking at 5 diff tuts scratching my head
01:23<ian_>Hello guys I have problem with flash player in using the map in Google
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01:25<SoCo_cpp>google maps only use flash for street view
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02:52<rwilco224>looking for help on linking and cross compiling if i may. I've cross-compiled php to a mips platform, the only problem is upon linking somehow libssl failed to make it onto the list, but the executable was still made. Upon running the executable there is an error "can't resolve symbol 'SSL_library_init'". This can be fixed using LD_PRELOAD=/lib/ but what i would like to know is is there a utility that can adjust the execut
02:52<rwilco224>the chain that leads to that is libcurl->dynamically linked to libssl, php->statically linked to libcurl, but somehow libssl didn't make it into php's list of required dynamic libraries
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03:05*rwilco224 obviously needs to find a better time to ask questions :)
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03:36<EmleyMoor>I am hoping to create some interactive PDFs using scanned paper forms as my starting point. I just installed scribus. Can it scale images? If it can I have not found how yet
03:36<kardan>Soco_cpp have you tried to build the vb mod into your own kernel?
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03:37<kardan>EmlayMoor try #scribus on freenode
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03:42<kardan>rwilco224 i didnt get your question
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04:00<xeon-enouf>EmleyMoor: not sure this helps, but imagemagick (from the GIMP) can mogrify (alter original) and <something-else> (to make an altered copy)
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04:39<nima>what channel do i goto if i have installation issues with the lates stable release?
04:42<kardan>nima release of what?
04:42<nima>Debian installer sorry
04:42<nima>5.0... let me see
04:43<kardan>seems as you are at the right place
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04:43<kardan>you also can try #debian on freenode
04:43<nima>Ok I'll ask here, hopefully someone can help...
04:44<nima>initially i tried boot on lvm on sw-raid - then simplified it so made boot just a sw-raid-1
04:44<nima>here's the current setup...
04:45<nima>do md1 is RAID-I --> /boot
04:45<nima>md2 is a RAID-10 (complex) for lvm PV
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04:46<nima>and md3 is a PV for data, RAID-6
04:46<nima>if i boot with the installer...
04:46<nima>and not install, just drop to the shell after loading lvm/md modules...
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04:47<nima>everything is fine as reported by /proc/mdstat, as well as lvs/pvs/vgs
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04:47<nima>however if i boot from the HDD...
04:47<nima>i get all sorts of errors (which i cant see as the box is remote in another city :( )
04:47<nima>but they're along the lines of...
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04:48<nima>initrd doesnt contain the right drivers - that's just a guess though
04:48<nima>i can boot back in rescue mode via the install cd -> ssh ...
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04:49<nima>i should mention...
04:49<nima>i dont know how i forgot to... booting form HDD....
04:49<nima>it eventually segfaults
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04:51<HandleSchmandle>CERN Switzerland
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04:54<nima>my current give-up solution is to rebuild the box and just make root and boot on a RAID-1
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04:58<kardan>nima you can setup a kernel with all the needed modules out of the installer shell
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05:03<nima>kardan: if the installer knows that - say - i have boot and root on lvm/raid - shouldnt it figure out that i need the modules that i need?
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05:04<nima>and secondly, when you say setup the kernel with needed modules - you mean there a tool provided, or i just do the usual manual unzip/loop mount etc ?
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05:08<kardan>nima if you have access to /boot via the installer, build your kernel locally, transfer it, reboot
05:09<nima>you mean custom kernel?
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05:10<nima>I can do that - i suppose if someone can answer this i have a little more energy to pursue this path; the question being....
05:10<kardan>if you are missing modules i strongly suggest that. can you check the log precise the problem while boot?
05:11<nima>if i create all underlying devices as raid, and then lvm on top, and finally filesystems (boot and root included) - is that a supported configuration?
05:11<nima>or do i need to have /boot on a raid-1
05:11<nima>i noticed for example that grub doesnt seem to support boot on a nested RAID-10
05:12<nima>each time i do a build its time consuming and i have RSI - so i have to try and just get the damn thing right
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05:38<wekt>If you (anyone) please, share your script to check for a newer Debian DVD ISO image and download it.
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05:41<cahoot>newer than what?
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05:48<wekt>newer than the local copy.
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05:53<wekt>Or I guess 1 of the mirroring tools should be able to do that. I wonder what would work well from (ana)cron.
05:54<cahoot>what version/variant of debian are you targeting?
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06:00<wekt>x86 Testing. I want the weekly-build ISOs.
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06:07<stevecotton>wekt: are you aware of jigdo-file (downloads an ISO reusing any unchanged files from the previous version)?
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06:07<stevecotton>it doesn't script it, but it makes the download itself fast.
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06:09<wekt>I've tried jigdo and jigdo-file (jigdo-lite). As far as I can see, they don't work. I expect they have worked for someone or some people. I got jigdo-lite to create an ISO once with much manual intervention.
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06:09<stevecotton>BTW, what are you trying to do? You can update an existing install without reinstalling (unless you're actually testing installing itself).
06:12<wekt>I wish to be able to test freshly installed systems so that I can test and file bug reports on systems not contaminated with packages from unstable and experimental. Additionally, I have then an image handy whenever my system breaks and I need to re-install.
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06:13<wekt>next up, I want to try to install an ext4-only system.
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06:17<stevecotton>wekt - probably "wget"
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06:27<wekt>thanks for the suggestion. I've been using lftp just recently. Looking into it, I see it has a mirror command and can be scripted, so I will give that a try.
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06:46<lsa>any body?
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06:56<melkart>i can hardly use reportbug. how could i possibly know my smtp server?
06:56<melkart>why is it so hard to report bugs in debian? :(
06:56<Gathond>melkart: how do you send mail
06:56<Gathond>smtp server is most likely your ISP accounts mail server
06:57<Gathond>I don't think you have to use that in reportbug though, I'm pretty sure you can just copy/paste the output into whatever you are using as an email client and send that to
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07:07<melkart>thank you
07:07<melkart>it tells me that it has sent the bug, through an SMTP server which i did not specify (!) (i left it blank when i was prompted for entering one)
07:08<melkart>time will tell if my bug report got through. i cant find it on the web query system yet
07:08<melkart>submitting bugs with reportbug is a PITA. i had to use the nano editor, which doesnt even have wordwrap
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07:10<locklace>if you read "man reportbug", you would have found that like most other programs it obeys the setting of your EDITOR environment variable, and that in addition you can tell it to use a specific editor with the -e option
07:11<melkart>hm. yes, you are right, thank you. i didnt think about the editor before i already had answered a lot of questions
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07:13<melkart>i just think it could be made easier for people to report bugs...without having to figure out and set up such things before...
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07:22<xeon-enouf>melkart: use gmail ;-)
07:22<xeon-enouf>use reportbug just to generate the report
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07:26<melkart>thank you. i saved the generated report, so i can do that later, if i have to
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07:29<weedlight>Hi, I have the following problem with my intel graphics card and my 8G of ram as explained on Now some one said that you can do the following: drm/i915: enable GEM on PAE, agp: switch AGP to use page array instead of unsigned long array. I started make menuconfig in the 2.6.31-rc1 kernel tree but I can't see any options for the video card
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08:46<AmaDeus13>hello everybody
08:47<AmaDeus13>I need help setting up wlan on my laptop running Lenny, please
08:48<abrotman>with which chipset?
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08:49<AmaDeus13>it's a Fujitsu-Siemens Esprimo Mobile laptop with Atheros AR5007EG adapter
08:50<ShapeShifter499>I want to know, how do I change my user name(or make a new one) and have my home dir booting off a usb?
08:50<ShapeShifter499>on a debian ppc 4.0
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08:52<AmaDeus13>i had previously had Kubuntu on this laptop and all i had to do was to enter my WPA passkey once
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08:55<abrotman>AmaDeus13: and the ath5k doesn't work ?
08:55<AmaDeus13>i'm sorry, but i don't know what that is :)
08:56<abrotman>probably the driver
08:56<AmaDeus13>thank you
08:57<abrotman>AmaDeus13: but i don't see it htere
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09:02<AmaDeus13>abrotman: i will try ath5k and will be right back. thank you
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09:05<abrotman>he's probably going to have to build the madwifi driver
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09:10<colla>@find fedora
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09:22<ShapeShifter499>g2g :o
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09:48<user01>can you use lpr to print a pdf?
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09:57<user01>lpinfo doesnt show available network printers?
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10:03<paveq>user01: well you should be able to use postscript driver (generally printing always involves PS)
10:03<paveq>user01: and then pstopdf or something
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10:06<user01>ah ok just reading info pages on lp and lpr
10:07<stuckey>How can I change the default options that xterm opens with?
10:07<abrotman>did you read the xterm man page ?
10:07<stuckey>I need a bigger default font size and I'm tired of having to change it everytime I open xterm.
10:07<azeem>stuckey: looks at Xdefaults or X resources
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10:09<azeem>look*, not looks, btw
10:09<stuckey>I mean, what is this Xdefaults?
10:09<stuckey>Where do I look for this?
10:09<azeem>you're doing a research for it
10:09<azeem>like, google
10:10<azeem>or wikipedia if you like
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10:18<AmaDeus13>hey, abrotman
10:18*abrotman hides
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10:23<stuckey>Anyone know of a good web/email hosting service that runs their systems on Debian?
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10:25<abrotman>AmaDeus13: you might have to compile the madwifi driver
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10:26<ohitsmee>iwant to dual boot debian with ubuntu,, Now finish install debian and now going to install ubuntu.. IS there anything i should know or is it very easy for a new user like me
10:27<AmaDeus13>abrotman: i've tried that. but it fails in step 4 here:
10:27<stuckey>ohitsmee: It's not easy
10:27<ohitsmee>how is that
10:27<AmaDeus13>abrotman: when i try to m-a a-i madwifi, it says it cannot find the madwifi-source
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10:28<abrotman>AmaDeus13: you probably need contrib/non-free sources
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10:29<gsimmons>AmaDeus13: The procedure informs you to reference contrib and non-free components in /etc/apt/sources.list.
10:29<AmaDeus13>abrotman: since i have no internet connection, i've downloaded the complete set of Lenny DVDs
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10:29<abrotman>doesn't your wired connection work ?
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10:32<AmaDeus13>i've been thinking about that... i'll be back soon. thanks again, abrotman :)
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10:47<ml|>stuckey: here is my ~/.Xresources file to serve as guide ...
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10:48<ml|>stuckey: if you need more help lmk, but in a bit busy atm
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11:06<chiku>does someone use openntpd ?
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11:06<chiku>it looks like -s not work as it should
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11:07<chiku>Set the time immediately at startup. Allows for a large time correction, eliminating the need to run rdate(8).
11:08<chiku>but it's still small time asjusting
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11:12<pallino>hi! Anyone any problem with ifconfig, route, netmask and headache?
11:13<pallino>when I try to change ip on lan I can't connect anymore, if I reboot I can but I have the old ip!
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11:18<user01>what is the difference between * and .*?
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11:18<pallino>with .* you deal with hidden files, starting with .
11:18<dr|z3d>.* matches filetypes, not the filename.
11:18<dr|z3d>Or indeed hidden files.
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11:20<pallino>as default, with * you don't deal with hidden files
11:20<user01>mmm ok so in grep -E “(twain\.example\.com|bronto\.pangaea\.edu).*127” /etc/*
11:20<user01>the .* there?
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11:23<user01>it says it would find lines that have both the first part and 127 on it
11:25<user01>not sure why it couldnt just be a * there
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11:28<Woet>I have a server with 4x 500 GB harddisks and a hardware RAID controller. I'm doubting between RAID 5 and RAID 10, which would be best?
11:28<Woet>What are the pros and cons of each configuration?
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11:30<AmaDeus13>abrotman: thank you very much :)
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11:30<abrotman>all working?
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11:30<user01>from internet:
11:30<user01>Woet, Pros – Good Performance, Good failure protection Cons – Not as good when your requirement is only performance or only failure protection (parity doesn’t come for free). Minimum Disks Required – 3
11:31<user01>Woet, for raid 5
11:31<user01>Woet, raid 10
11:31<Woet>Pros: Best in terms of performance & guards against potential failures. | Cons: Costly in terms of storage overhead
11:31<user01>Woet, Pros: Best in terms of performance & guards against potential failures. Cons: Costly in terms of storage overhead Minimum Disks Required – 4 (and for > 4 you must have even number of disks)
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11:32<Woet>heh, yea, I was already leaning towards RAID 10
11:33<user01>Woet, yeah i took that off this blog
11:34<user01>Woet, geen probleem!
11:34<Woet>:) thanks
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11:37<user01>abrotman, you are against using raid altogether?
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11:38<abrotman>that's not what that website says ..
11:40<burnclouds>I have an issue upon shutdown the driver for the rt2860 tries to load the firmware and hangs. But upon startup everything works fine. The driver is now included in the kernel (as of 2.6.28) and the firmware is included in firmware-iwlwifi package i'm using 2.6.30-1-686 any suggestions?
11:40<user01>abrotman, well raid5
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11:40<burnclouds>I thought about changing the init rc's so that it doesn't try to load the firmware when switching to a lower RunLevel but wasn't sure where to start.
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11:42<gsimmons>burnclouds: Uh, the driver was added in 2.6.29-rc1 and the firmware is in the firmware-ralink package (>= 0.17). Try using a trunk kernel; /msg dpkg trunk kernel
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11:43<burnclouds>msg dpkg trunk kernel
11:43<abrotman>user01: read the site ..
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11:44<user01>abrotman, i did its a bunch of articles against raid5
11:45<abrotman>and what was Woet asking ?
11:45<user01>Why should I not use RAID 5 Art S. Kagel
11:45<abrotman>nevermind ...
11:45<user01>Is RAID 5 Really a Bargain? Cary Millsap
11:45<abrotman>i have no idea why i try to have conversations with user01
11:45<burnclouds>gsimmons: I'd rather not re-build the kernel unless I have to. Is there another way?
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11:46<user01>abrotman, because im a network interface you would like to like my protocol for
11:46<user01>to learn
11:47<gsimmons>burnclouds: I didn't say you had to rebuild the kernel. There are experimental kernel image packages (snapshots) available.
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11:47<burnclouds>just install the kernel from the experimental repo?
11:47<Zylvain1>hi all, i'm out of range with my wifi card too
11:48<Zylvain1>it's an Atheros AR242x
11:48<Zylvain1>i performed a network install via wifi with no problem
11:48<Zylvain1>but now I can't get wifi in console
11:49<gsimmons>burnclouds: Please read all of dpkg's message to you.
11:49<user01>and ive been a loyal debian user since i was unhappy with corel and tried to convert it to debian but failed
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11:50<burnclouds>gsimmons: yeah sorry Guess i skipped to the bottom.
11:50<jond>hay guy's anybody in here
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11:50<jond>i need some help on something
11:50<Zylvain1>after install via wifi, i saw the interfaces file has ath0
11:50<Zylvain1>ath0 sounds to be madwifi...
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11:50<Zylvain1>but then now i see the loaded driver is ath5k
11:51<Zylvain1>and the iwconfig returns wlan0
11:51<jond>i am not abile to play videos that i downlounding to play it is slow
11:51<user01>it is pronounced deb - ian, right? this guy in my LPI training keeps calling it DEEE-BIAN
11:51<jond>what do i do
11:51<Zylvain1>i tried using wlan0 instead of ath0 in interfaces/ifdown/ifup, but it doesn't work: Signal Level = 0
11:51<jond>will you help me out plese
11:52<burnclouds>gsimmons: do I need to try the 2.6.30-trunk or the linux-image-2.6.31-rc6-686 ?
11:53<jond>CAN you plese tell me what i need to do plese
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11:54<burnclouds>jond: what's your problem?
11:54<legnaleurc>or you can check your spell
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11:54<jond>i am not abile to play the videos that i am downlounding to play
11:54<jond>there are slowing down
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11:54<jond>i am not abile to play the dvds alsoi
11:55<legnaleurc>maybe codecs problem?
11:55<burnclouds>your downloading them from?
11:55<burnclouds>are you using torrents, streaming, or hosted files?
11:56<Gold24>what's this no you're talking about?
11:56<jond>i was abile to play some videos last knight
11:56<jond>yes i am useing a torrents
11:56<burnclouds>find a torrent with more seeds.
11:56<jond>everything was just fine
11:57<burnclouds>gsimmons: do I need to try the 2.6.30-trunk or the linux-image-2.6.31-rc6-686 ?
11:57<jond>untill lastknight
11:57<jond>will you help me out
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11:58<gsimmons>burnclouds: 2.6.31-rc6 would be useful to test.
11:58<burnclouds>I guess your not really giving enough information on your problem
11:58<burnclouds>jond: describe in detail what your trying to do and whats going wrong.
11:58<jond>i was also trying to play a dvd that i got at a store and that will not play as well
11:58<burnclouds>gsimmons: thanks
11:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:59<jond>i tould you guys what is going on
11:59<Gold24>very unprecisely
12:00<Gold24>like what do you mean with slowing down?
12:00<Gold24>what are you using?
12:00<Zylvain1>jond: you are under Windows Vista ?
12:00<burnclouds>Gold24: thanks, thats what i was trying to get across. !ask (didn't know about that one)
12:01<jond>i have ubuntu 9.04/and when i try to play a dvd or outher videos that i was downlounding there are not playing
12:01<dpkg>i guess gtfo is get the fsck out
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12:01<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:02<stew>Hideo: just the second factoid will do fine
12:02<jond>what i would do is putt in a dvd and try to play it but it will now play
12:02<jond>so plese tell me what is going on
12:03<jond>I have have you guys all the info i can give you
12:03<ranix>jond: no, you are not using Debian so you shouldn't be asking questions in #debian
12:03<jond>now tell me what i can do
12:03<ranix>jond: it's rude to even ask us to support ubuntu
12:03<ranix>jond: go to #ubuntu
12:03<jond>id ont care
12:03<ranix>then !gtfo
12:03<Hideo>stew: does it now
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12:04<jond>just help me
12:04<Gold24>jond: why don't you just call microsoft
12:04<jond>i dont have mirosoft
12:04<ranix>you don't have Debian either
12:04<ranix>you're doing the same thing here
12:04<christoph>to set the keyboard layout for X in lenny I have to create a xorg.conf? (/me likes the unstable way of having everything in console-setup :) )
12:04<jond>you guys can help me out
12:04<ranix>you may as well call microsoft to ask them to support your dvd
12:05<Gold24>ranix: my point exactly :)
12:05<ranix>no, we can't, so go to #ubuntu
12:05<jond>yes u can and will
12:05<jond>linux is linux
12:05<Hideo>haha, you're funny
12:05<craigevil>jond: ubuntu is off-topic and is NOT supported in #debian
12:05<ranix>!ops jond is trolling
12:05<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ranix complains about: jond is trolling
12:05<legnaleurc>just check your spelling ...
12:05<burnclouds>thanks for your help guys I'll be back to let you know the the turnk kernel works. now to reboot!
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12:06<zobel>ranix: i see no reason to interact.
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12:07<azeem>please try to deal with this kinda stuff yoursel
12:07<azeem>e.g. by telling others to not respond etc.
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12:08<And1>Hey folks, any nice solution for doing this 'find . -print0 | xargs -0 prename "s/ /_/g"' only with find (with the -exec parameter...)?
12:08<Bernd_amd64>gi @ all ... anyone knows about the msg: "Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup" ?
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12:11<Zylvain1>is it ok to install a backport kernel 2.6.29 on top of a stable debian on a server ?
12:11<Zylvain1>i'd like keeping on stable, not testing
12:12<Zylvain1>but it seems Atheros AR242x doesn't work (anymore!) on Lenny
12:12<Bernd_amd64>what´s wrong with the current one ?
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12:12<Zylvain1>someone would advise about the right decision to solve this ?
12:13<Gold24>Zylvain1: you have access to choose kernel on bootup?
12:13<Bernd_amd64>wifi @ server ? at home ?
12:14<Gold24>on the server?
12:16<Zylvain1>i installed in expert mode and chose kernel 2.6.26-2-686
12:16<sney>it's probably acting as an access point or something
12:17<Zylvain1>funny thing, i installed by wifi, i guess it used madwifi at that time
12:17<sney>anyway you're correct, the madwifi modules in 2.6.26 are very buggy / nonfunctional on ar242x
12:17<Zylvain1>server at home yes
12:17<Gold24>well do you have console access to the server
12:17<sney>and ath5k wasn't really good enough at that point
12:17<Gold24>then i would just give it a try
12:17<sney>so 2.6.29 is one solution, but since 2.6.29 is never going to be released, I would say to go with 2.6.30 instead
12:17<Zylvain1>so i can't stay in debian stable ?
12:18<sney>backport will work
12:18<Bernd_amd64>anotherway is to connect an router to a nic with wifi ,,,
12:18<Zylvain1>backport kernel means I'm keeping my stable repo ?
12:18<sney>that's what it means
12:18<sney>it's a newer kernel, backported to the stable distro
12:18<Zylvain1>good, so i may try the backport then
12:18<Gold24>backport is stuff compiled with stable compiler and libraries
12:19<Zylvain1>so using 2.6.30 will make the ath5k have AR242x works properly ?
12:20<sney>I'm using it right now
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12:20<Gold24>Zylvain1: if you just want it to work i would go with the backport kernel
12:21<Zylvain1>:) thanks for all answers, i'll give a try now
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12:31<discordant>hello everyone
12:31<discordant>quite a large channel
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12:32<discordant>and a lively one at that!
12:33<discordant>a hard night with emacs and redbull will do that to ya
12:33<discordant>WAKE UP!
12:33<dpkg>The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
12:33<locklace>do you have a debian question
12:34<discordant>lmao, ah laggy
12:34<Gold24>Zylvain1: how did it work?
12:34<discordant>odd channel
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12:35<Gold24>is it much more odd than others?
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12:36<discordant>Gold24: I think I am experiencing some extreme latency or something, or is that the vibe?
12:37<Gold24>guess it's that people here are doing other things than just sit here
12:37<Gold24>i know i am
12:38<Gold24>but anyway did you have a question?
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12:38<discordant>lol, i should know better IRC is the chat protocol for the antisocial, an oxymoron but true
12:39<discordant>not really, just bored
12:39<discordant>I am a recent Debian convert
12:39<discordant>want to get in the community
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12:41<cahoot>discordant: it might seem strange to you but this isn't really a 'social' channel
12:41<cahoot>discordant: IIRC there's a #debian-ot on freenode
12:42<discordant>cahoot: who are all these users? bots? idle developers?
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12:48<Zylvain1>Gold24: yes it works !!!
12:48<Zylvain1>thanks again all
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13:24<user01>hola como estas?
13:24<user01>es mejor
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13:24<Comino>bien , y tu?
13:24<user01>bien gracias a Dios
13:25<Comino>con mucho calor¡¡
13:25<user01>qué bueno
13:25<Comino>y tu?
13:25<user01>es humido
13:25<Comino>hace calor aahi?
13:25<Comino>si, mucho¡¡
13:26<user01>pero es lindo 20 grados
13:26<user01>pero humido
13:26<Comino>30 aqui¡
13:26<mjjohnson>I had a question about USB on Debian...
13:26<Comino>a las 19,26
13:26<mjjohnson>(O si prefieren, puedo hacer mi pregunta in espanol.)
13:26<user01>eres de colombia?
13:27<Comino> de esaña¡
13:27<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
13:27<user01>ah ok es 30 grados en colombia tambien :)
13:27<user01>deseo ir un dia :(
13:28<Comino>algun problema?
13:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:28<Comino>no entiendo
13:28<Comino> debemos irnos?
13:29<user01>Comino, bueno si deseas ayudar es /join #debian-es
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13:29<Comino>chao, perdon
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13:29<user01>Comino, si tienes una problema en debian
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13:31<user01>Comino, pero si entiendo tu problema puedo intentar
13:31<mjjohnson>Creo que haré mi pregunta en inglés primero y tal vez mas tarde en espanol.
13:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:32<mjjohnson>I'm having a problem with USB in Debian (5.02): when I plug in my external hard drive, it doesn't show up under /dev.
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13:32<user01>dr|z3d, maybe not, i dont see many people there :)
13:32<mjjohnson>It works fine; I just tested it on my Ubuntu machine.
13:32<mjjohnson>This is with a fairly stock, basic Debian installation.
13:32<mjjohnson>What should I try?
13:33<user01>let me check my study guide
13:33<mjjohnson>Oh, and it's not showing up in dmesg either.
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13:38<Flakk>Hi people, I have recently installed lenny, and found out that now when I right-click on a file there is an option "encrypt" in the menu. what kind of encryption does it do? thanx for the help
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13:41<[Ese]>this is odd, my keyboard has a different layout in firefox... any clue?
13:42<mjjohnson>Ah, I think I figured out my problem (well, partially): plugging into a different port works. I'm not sure why the other doesn't, but this is good enough for now...
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13:48<stroyan>Flakk: It looks like seahorse-tool
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13:50<lelbo>bonjour y a til des francais
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13:52<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
13:53<SoCo_cpp>am still fighting virtual box I did the whole m-a a-i -f virtualbox-ose thing, then modprob vboxdrv .. and modprob it hangs for a long time and then gives many lines of "FATAL: Error running install command for vboxdrv"
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13:54<jo>hi all
13:55<SoCo_cpp>(I had installed the virtualbox-ose packages via apt-get and did everything else to install it, then everything worked..and I did an apt-get upgrade .. and the kernel module vboxdrv dissapeared, so did etc/init.d/vboxdrv so Ive did everything I can find in google and did a reinstall and sill am fighting it
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13:57<SoCo_cpp>Im open for suggestions since google has ran out of them
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13:59<SoCo_cpp>I think it worked right the first time off of the tut, so maybe something that upgraded has screwed up the ability to install the kernel module....which give success in installing
14:00<peej>I'm trying to get ddclient to resolve to so that my webserver is reachable. I've filled in the prompts at dpkg-reconfigure ddclient. DNS resolution is failing. How do I troubleshoot further?
14:02<jo>i try to install the last debian on a old computer, but it have no usb-boot, nor cd-reader :-/ i just have the hard drive, i tryied to copy the content of a netboot install, and the files (vmlinuz , initrd.gz ), on the root of it...
14:02<jo>when i start the install, the comuter says me ntldr not found push ctr+alt+suppr to restart... is someone here have an idea, of what could be the probleme please
14:05<peej>ntldr? Isn't that an MS NT boot thingy?
14:06<jo>euh, yeah the hard drive is ntfs mounted
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14:07<jo>in fact i come from ms, but i try to go on the debian way ! :)
14:08<peej>does it have pxe boot? you could maybe install that way?
14:08<jo>nop :(
14:08<jo>i will check in case ..
14:08<peej>well, you can read the debian installation guide. It's pretty good.
14:09<peej>pxe boot is there for most post 2000 machines I thought...
14:10<jo>ok ;) thank you !
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14:13<Gold24>Zylvain: np :)
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14:23<zem>SoCo_cpp: complete remove (purge) virtualbox and install with apt + m-a
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14:24<chealer>jo: what do you mean by "the hard drive is ntfs mounted"?
14:24<chealer>peej: did you check logs?
14:24<jo>uhm, sorry i mean, is formated in ntfs
14:25<jo>nop i didnt checked log, where should they be stored?
14:26<chealer>jo: I was asking peej
14:27<jo>euh , ok, sorry...
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14:28<peej>chealer: thanks. I just figured out I needed to activate at dyndns. My activation glitched over there somehow.
14:28<peej>But, it's working now :)
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14:31<peej>I'm not sure it's possible to run debian inside an NTFS formatted drive. Normally you format it as a non-ntfs system. And if you're getting an ntldr message, that's I guess the MS equivalent of grub/lilo, so it may mean you have no ntfs actually
14:31<peej>jo, do you have a floppy drive?
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14:31<sney>yeah, ntfs-3g is good but it's not good enough to use as /
14:31<SoCo_cpp>I did a remove and purge, but Imma try again
14:31<jo>no floppy disc
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14:32<peej>jo, are you comfortable with taking computers apart? I'm thinking maybe you just stick the drive in a less crippled machine to get it booting.
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14:33<peej>That might be simpler than the alternative
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14:33<peej>jo, do you have a working ntfs there?
14:33<jo>in fact i got 2 machines
14:34<jo>the one i using now must be an will stay on windows
14:34<jo>then ive got my old one
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14:34<jo>with allready a debian in it
14:34<chealer>peej: the driver isn't NTFS formatted, a partition is
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14:35<jo>but in fact i want to make a new install to make test on a new hd
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14:35<jo>ive unpluged the debian from the machine to put just the new hd for my tests
14:35<chealer>jo: are you trying to make Debian the OS or to setup a dual boot system?
14:36<jo>im kinda scared to make stupid thinks on the first good debian
14:36<SoCo_cpp>purge seems to never do anything..but I do got an autoremove ...
14:36<jo>no sual boot, just a main os
14:36<peej>chealer, yeah, but how do you partition a linuxy filesystem from NTFS with a lobotomized machine like jo's?
14:37<jo>no dual boot, sorry.
14:37<jo>and i want to use the whole hard drive for it
14:38<chealer>jo: that means you forgot to install a Debian bootloader in the MBR
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14:38<chealer>jo: from which OS did you do that?
14:38<jo>oh ! :)
14:38<jo>windows nt
14:38<jo>i just copy paste the iso netinst, and 2 others files
14:38<chealer>jo: are you sure it's possible to do a hard disk install from Windows?
14:39<jo>vmlinuz , initrd.gz
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14:39<jo>i saw it on some forum's posts
14:39<Gold24>ah you just copied it onto a ntfs partition on another harddrive?
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14:40<jo>yes, then i plugged my hard drive on my other machine
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14:41<Gold24>yea that won't work
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14:41<jo>ok, i saw that ^^
14:41<Gold24>do you have a cddrive or something in the other machine?
14:42<Gold24>or in the one you're at
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14:42<jo>on the windows actual one yes
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14:42<jo>so i guess it would be easier then
14:42<chealer>jo: actually, you *can* do that... using win32-loader
14:42*Gold24 let's chealer handle this then ;)
14:43<jo>ok ;)
14:43<Gold24>seems he knows more about ways of setting it up from windows than me :)
14:43<jo>:) héhé.
14:43<dpkg>debian.exe is a debian-installer loader for win32. It installs Debian as default; it installs grub for NT on C drive, then downloads the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from, and creates entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at Also ask me about <ig> <setup.exe> or see
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14:43<dpkg>from memory, syslog is the UNIX facility for logging the messages that programs produce. Ask me about <mark> and <rsyslog>.
14:43<dpkg>well, rsyslog is an enhanced <syslog> daemon. With stock logging rules, it can be used as a drop-in sysklogd replacement. rsyslog is the default kernel/system log daemon in Lenny, but is not installed when upgrading from Etch (ref. section 2.2 of the <lenny release notes>). #rsyslog on
14:44<SoCo_cpp>...ok I removed all virtualbox packages did a purge... now i'm doing: apt-get install virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-source
14:45<jo>thanx! :)
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14:46<peej><stunned silence>
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14:47<peej>(about debian.exe)
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14:48<jo>ok, but the things is that i sdont want to install it on this machine , it is installing it on the c:/ hd and it do want it on another one
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14:48<jo>is it possible to install it on a custom place?
14:49<hamsand>hi all, i have a problem about syslog and need your help
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14:50<hamsand>my syslog puts out like below
14:50<hamsand>Aug 23 14:40:35 kernel: [514864.847670] usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 12
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14:50<hamsand>i want to remove "[514864.847670]" field. how can i do that?
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14:50<hamsand>i used rsyslogd-3.18.6 on debian-lenny
14:51<craigevil>msg dpkg blacklist pc speaker
14:51<xeon-enouf>snd_pcper or something since .26
14:51<dpkg>To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. In kernel 2.6.26 and later, modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module. Also ask me about <shell beep>.
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14:51<xeon-enouf>ahh snd_pcsp
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14:52<xeon-enouf>peej: the url name is apropos atleast, no? ;-)
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14:53<peej>I'd heard of it earlier, but I didn't know it was so awesomely awesome. I've just watched the movie
14:53<xeon-enouf>hamsand: i believe a kernel-parameter (boot param) involving 'printk' might do it, overall - but to edit a file like that; you might want awk or sed
14:54<xeon-enouf>hamsand: if nobody here chimes in further; try #bash on
14:54<peej>jo: clarify what your current set up is, and what you want please.
14:55<xeon-enouf>jo: yeah - you're all broken up ;-)
14:55<xeon-enouf>jo: write asmall paragraph detailing the issue ;0
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14:55<jo>ok :)
14:56<chealer>hamsand: did you check rsyslogd's documentation?
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14:56<jo>so actually i've got 2 computers, the one i using actually (nt), and another one that is just for debian.
14:56<xeon-enouf>craigevil: hrm .. whom was .. oH! hehe, you forgot your leading '/' or '^' ?
14:56<hamsand>man rsyslogd, rsyslog.conf all
14:56<jo>erf sorry, i didnt finished...
14:57<xeon-enouf>dpkg: say "strike one; try again jo! ;-)"
14:57<dpkg>"strike one; try again jo! ;-)"
14:58<hamsand>i set /etc/rsyslog.conf like below
14:58<hamsand>$template MyTemplate,"%TIMESTAMP% %syslogtag% %msg%\n"
14:58<hamsand>$ActionFileDefaultTemplate MyTemplate
14:59<hamsand>and "%msg%" contains "[514864.847670]" field
14:59<xeon-enouf>heh, rm "%TIMESTAMP%" bit
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14:59<hamsand>xeon-enouf: %TIMESTAMP% contains " Aug 23 14:40:35" field
15:00<xeon-enouf>hamsand: i don't see that output in your post
15:00<xeon-enouf>crap - sorry
15:01<xeon-enouf>hamsand: then i suggest read the documentation referred to you via another; and/or look into what i mentioned - and also see /etc/sysctl.conf (however, that one, is likely not what you need/want)
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15:02<hamsand>xeon-enouf: oh thank you, i didn't see sysctl.conf. i try to study it
15:03<abraham>!tell jo about return
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15:03<jo>i''ve got 2 computers, the one i using actually (nt) les say 'Jo ', and another one that is just for debian and lets say 'dre' for this one.
15:03<jo>actually the dre one is pretty cool working,so i get i get an other hd to do test, on it too cause im kinda scared to do crap on it, so i just want to use this news hard drive as a boot device for a debian os,...Jo dont want to become a debian, and dre has a hard drive rack, so it is easy it change OS hard drive...
15:03<xeon-enouf>hamsand: please see the 1st other two offerings *prior*
15:03<jo>i just can use or JO to configure the hard drive... and i got no floppy disk, no pxe, no cd/dvd no usb boot..., héhé :)i guess thats it...
15:03<jo>besides i guess i just wanna burn it on Jo, then unplugged my cd /dvd to plug it in dre.... and make cd istall.....lazy meeeeee!!
15:04<SoCo_cpp>I wonder if I'll have better luck using synapic
15:04<xeon-enouf>hamsand: google /Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt (only AFTER you read rsyslog{d} man pages and /usr/share/doc/*)
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15:05<jo>byebye and thank you again ;)
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15:06<xeon-enouf>hamsand: i was referring to this; (in /etc/syslog.conf) "# Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console" <-- that's not something you really want to do, - however, it can be "tweaked" possibly (with pain) to do what you want
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15:07<xeon-enouf>hamsand: it's likely a bit too much to all stomach now, and i shouldn't have even mentioned it (likely) .. yet
15:09<xeon-enouf>ahh CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME=y is there in .26-2-686
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15:10<hamsand>that means... my kernel need to be recompiled?
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15:11<xeon-enouf>who-tf broke in links2? :-///
15:11<xeon-enouf>hamsand: no
15:12<xeon-enouf>dpkg: say "oh MY friggin $DEITY"
15:12<dpkg>"oh MY friggin $DEITY"
15:12<dpkg>printk is, like, see docs for sysctl and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See linux/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt or man 5 proc /printk for meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel)
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15:13<xeon-enouf>wow - nice and SLOW in FF/IW too ..wonderful
15:13<xeon-enouf>great job ;-)
15:14<xeon-enouf>printk.time= Show timing data prefixed to each printk message line
15:14<xeon-enouf>1601 Format: <bool> (1/Y/y=enable, 0/N/n=disable)
15:14<xeon-enouf>heh - nice.. way to go - copy and paste from IW _keeps/adds_ the \n .... i've seen it all now
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15:16<SoCo_cpp>well, I guess im preparing for a full reinstall
15:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 399] by debhelper
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15:17<SoCo_cpp>...will remember not to apt-get upgraded again :(
15:18<SoCo_cpp>or maybe I should, just before installing the retarded app with a kernel module
15:18<xeon-enouf>SoCo_cpp: i'd try to help if icould - but i know nothing about vbox, nor your original issue
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15:19<xeon-enouf>SoCo_cpp: that's the way to go - "if you're going to break it, might as well try to fix it while breaking it good" ;-)
15:19<SoCo_cpp>I did an apt-get upgrade and my vbox's kernel module and module scripts I did a full remove and purger and have been trying in vein to reinstall
15:19<xeon-enouf>s/vein/vane/ but nm ;-)
15:19<SoCo_cpp>but building the modules is successfull, but the modules aren't there...neither are the scripts
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15:20<xeon-enouf>SoCo_cpp: apt-get upgrade? no update? have you added/removed anything to sources.list
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15:21<xeon-enouf>SoCo_cpp: did you get a newer kernel?
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15:21<SoCo_cpp>Im not sure , but I dont think so ...
15:22<SoCo_cpp>Im going with -2.6.26-2-686, thats default lenny I assume
15:23<SoCo_cpp>my /usr/src folder has linux-OLDVERSION... in it
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15:25<netskillsii>hello everyone - This is the first time installing debian, with gnome-core gdm and xorg, everything is good. But need help installing Compiz for 3D effects, I have debian lenny, Gnome 2.22 and kernel 2.6.26. I believe my VC is ATI RS482 {Radeon Xpress 200M} which i believe was detected and installed auto by installation. Please help.
15:26<SoCo_cpp>I did an apt-get update before the apt-get upgrade
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15:29<rdog>Hi everybody. Could any one of you help me configure my SB LS card with ALSA?
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15:31<hamsand>xeon-enouf: please give me more helps
15:32<hamsand>xeon-enouf: how can i set kernel parameter "printk.time" to 0?
15:32<SoCo_cpp>ok, here is something ... modprobe -l vbox* shows vboxdrv installed...maybe I should remove all the packages.. do a modprobe remove for the vbox ones...then try to reinstall :-\
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15:34<G60>i cannot boot my debian....
15:34<G60>and i cannot find the solution anywhere on google.
15:34<edbian> I have a small problem. I am at a private college. (Monmouth College) and they provide DNS but it is slow so I want to use openDNS (which is fast). Problem is when I use the open DNS servers (our email server) resolves to (which is nothing) and my evolution account ceases to send mail. Anyone have a good work around?
15:34<G60>my system did a fsck after 30 days...
15:34<G60>the usual...
15:34<G60>and it couldn't finish it.
15:34<G60>so, it advised a manual fsck, which i did
15:34<G60>then it advised to change some addresses... which i didn't understand...
15:35<G60>and now i cannot boot...
15:35<SoCo_cpp>well modprobe -r dont seem to be removing anything... :(
15:35<G60>all what i get is
15:36<G60>"/sbin/getty relative path 38400 used to build cache
15:36<edbian>Nevermind I fixed it myself by adding to my /etc/hosts file!
15:36<G60>respawning too fast...
15:36<wnd>edbian, add the hostname/ip to /etc/hosts
15:36<G60>bla bla bla...
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15:36<edbian>wnd: Thanks but a second too late :)
15:36<wnd>yeah I noticed
15:36<SoCo_cpp>g60 maybe your disk had a failure and corrupted stuffs
15:36<kop>edbian: Why not just use a small caching nameserver directly on your box?
15:36<G60>so ?]
15:37<edbian>kop: Like bind9 ???
15:37<peej>SoCo_cpp, what's the message when you run virtualbox?
15:37<G60>SoCo_cpp: ... wat do you advise '/.=
15:37<SoCo_cpp>it tells me to modprobe vboxdrv but doing that hangs my system and then give error
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15:37<SoCo_cpp>g60 if thats the case , outlook is bad
15:38<G60>SoCo_cpp: YOU MEAN NOTHING TO BE DONE /.?
15:38<SoCo_cpp>I dont see /etc/init.d/vboxdrv or /dev/vboxdrv
15:38<kop>edbian: bind9 is a bit heavy. I always run it anyway, but there's a lightweight resolver that's releated to bind (lwrs is what I thought, but I don't see that name)
15:38<edbian>kop: Same idea though? I didn't notice much of a performance improvement between bind9 and openDNS but that was a couple years ago. Maybe I should look into it again.
15:38<kop>How would I configure iceweasel to open patch files right in the browser?
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15:39<SoCo_cpp>g60 like if your system got trashed by a hard drive failure (or filesystem f-up) then ya gotta reinstall
15:39<peej>SoCo_cpp, you have a vboxdrv already in place when virtualbox barfs or not?
15:39<G60>the only command line i can have is grub console at startup
15:39<kop>edbian: You won't get improvement on the initial lookup but after that it will be fast. After your cache builds up, in days or weeks, you'll get better performance.
15:39<G60>is there any command to send to make my system do fsck again /?
15:39<edbian>kop: dig resolves in <30milliseconds for me right now
15:40<edbian>G60: fsck
15:40<lagenar>could someone remind me the name of the ncurses program to enable/disable services?
15:40<edbian>G60: fsck is a command
15:40<G60>didnt work edbian !!!
15:40<SoCo_cpp>peej vboxdrv failes to modprobe with fatal error, install of the module via m-a a-i virtualbox-ose doesnt seem to help...nor create the /etc/init.d/vboxdrv script...or the /dev/vboxdrv device
15:41<G60>any other advice .???
15:41<hamsand>my problem has been clear up! i did "# echo -n 0 > /sys/module/printk/parameters/time" then i could remove printk time field. thank you
15:41<kop>G60: If you like, "touch /forcefsck" will cause your system to fsck everything on the next reboot. I can't say that this is a good option in your case, but it is simple.
15:41<adb>dpkg: tell G60 -about forcefsck
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15:42<edbian>G60: You have to run it from a live CD (it's dangerous to run fsck on a mounted partition)
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15:42<G60>i will try that later on...
15:42<G60>i guess thats the error i did
15:42<G60>i ran fsck on the mounted partition
15:43<G60>because my system wanted to do the usual fsck every 30 mount...
15:43<G60>and it failed...
15:43<G60>so, it asked me to do it manually...
15:43<G60>then i entered the admin pass... and did it manually...
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15:45<kop>G60: Do you have a backup? It looks like something bad happened to your disk.
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15:45<G60>no kop ...
15:45<G60>that's another prob...
15:45<G60>i guess i can get to my files from live CD
15:45<G60>(i hope)
15:46<kop>G60: If it's not your home partition you could always re-install, although that's drastic and left for last.
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15:46<peej>soco_cpp: what's the modprobe error message?
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15:46<G60>ya.. i guess so
15:46<kop>G60: I'd start by making a backup of what you want to save.
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15:47<kop>G60: If your disk is going bad you don't want to take chances.
15:47<G60>ok... you are right kop
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15:47<sanmarcos>is there a channel for backports?
15:48<sanmarcos>anybody know what is the deal with xfce4.6 on lenny backports? the uploaded half-broken packages weeks ago and left it there
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16:02<missing|No>Oi, anyone know why I'm having issues with Busybox not installing?
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16:02<missing|No>"WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!: busybox"
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16:12<abrotman>missing|No: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring
16:12<xeon-enouf>hamsand: add "printk.time=0" to your kernel boot line in your bootloader
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16:13<missing|No>abrotman, I'm stuck in setup
16:14<missing|No>when it did that
16:14<xeon-enouf>hamsand: which likely means; in /boot/grub/menu.lst .. also add it to your (customized) "# kopt=root=... " line for bonus points
16:14<abrotman>missing|No: in the installer? using which installer?
16:14<missing|No>the "low memory" one
16:14<missing|No>on the business-card size CD
16:14<missing|No>also another key part is I'm using an iBook
16:14<missing|No>for some reason I have a hunch that I need to fix the date and time on the ol' ibook
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16:14<abrotman>uhm .. the bizcard doesn't mean it's low memory ..
16:15<missing|No>abrotman, it tells me I have to use the low memory installer
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16:15<missing|No>64 MB of RAM <3
16:15<missing|No>and because it thinks its' 1904 I bet it can't authenticate properly
16:15<missing|No>so busybox won't install
16:15<abrotman>it's a mac? battery went dead?
16:15<missing|No>iBook lost its date/time
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16:16<xeon-enouf>missing|No: i have a nice p150 for you ;-)
16:16<missing|No>eh, nah
16:16<missing|No>I just need a basic file server
16:16<missing|No>so I'll put the iBook to use with the 40GB in it
16:16<xeon-enouf>missing|No: are you in the states? interested in a powermac 7300/200 complete system?
16:16<hamsand>xeon-enouf: thank you very much
16:16<abrotman>he's in the states?
16:17<missing|No>stuck in northern NY ;)
16:17<abrotman>hes' even near enouf
16:17<xeon-enouf>missing|No: it *was* for free :-P
16:17<missing|No>linux online grew up in my area
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16:17<missing|No> was run up here in ol' Ogdensburg...
16:17<xeon-enouf>missing|No: short drive downstate - get moving
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16:17<missing|No>but I went by the supposed place on their website... couldn't find it
16:17<missing|No>xeon-enouf, where abouts
16:18<missing|No>fuck that, that's at least 2 hours
16:18<xeon-enouf>Westchester / Hudson Valley - yerp
16:18<xeon-enouf>missing|No: take a plane :-P
16:18*missing|No can't believe anyone knows where Ogdensburg is
16:18<missing|No>xeon-enouf, hell no
16:18<missing|No>that's to albany
16:18<missing|No>then from albany to wherever
16:19<missing|No>[es]cape air <3
16:19<xeon-enouf>nah - see WCN :-) ( i think that's the call letters)
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16:19<missing|No>I just restored Mac OS
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16:19<missing|No>to set the damn time to 2009
16:20<xeon-enouf>got 8.x CD here :-P
16:20<missing|No>got my original restore image
16:20<xeon-enouf>version is?
16:20<missing|No>got this thing for free
16:20<abrotman>missing|No: are you using the etch or lenny installer?
16:20<missing|No>not sure
16:20<abrotman>which ISO did you burn?
16:20<xeon-enouf>well . 9.x is on the machine now ...
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16:21<xeon-enouf>missing|No: but get this - 256M SDRAM too ;-)
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16:23<missing|No>64 here, xeon-enouf
16:23<xeon-enouf>i noticed
16:23<missing|No>giving this another shot after setting the time
16:24<missing|No>it's going through my head "Maybe it's not able to authenticate because it's newer than 1904..."
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16:24<missing|No>so right now I've got linux, a movie, and IRC running on three displays lol
16:25<abrotman>missing|No: so it just keeps thinkin git's 1904? can't you replace the battery in that thing?
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16:25<missing|No>now it doesn't
16:25<missing|No>it was because I haven't used it in a long time
16:25<missing|No>at least Debian isn't as bad as Gentoo on this thing
16:25<missing|No>USE flags still lose me
16:25<xeon-enouf>missing|No: mine "talks" to me upon boot :-P
16:25<missing|No>eh, the bong's good enough for me
16:26<xeon-enouf>it says; "in a really horrid make REALLY ROBOTIC voice" .. "Please set the Day and Time"
16:26<missing|No>and this thing things 180 MB of swap is enough :|
16:27<abrotman>missing|No: have you tried using the netinst or CD1 and pulling hte network cable ?
16:27<missing|No>right now I'm manually setting up the partitioning
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16:41<missing|No>abrotman, I was right
16:41<missing|No>the clock was wrong so busybox wouldn't authenticate for installation
16:42<oguncak>hi friends. i just downloaded an image to install debian through internet. i burned it onto an usb and booted by usb. then, a screen appeared boot: and i entered, then another screen telling me "password required". what will i do?????
16:42<missing|No>so, looks like my problem was a pebkak ;)
16:42<abrotman>missing|No: because the key is only valid for a certain time period .. which you weren't in
16:42<abrotman>!5% error
16:42<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, 5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like. Since <etch> has been released, you should be downloading a released version of the installer from which would not have this problem.
16:42<abrotman>you could have used that installer option ot get around it
16:42<missing|No>... woulda been nice to know earlier, but hell, it's working now and I'm happy
16:43<missing|No>well, I'm out now that I got my problem fixed
16:43<missing|No>have a good morning/day/evening, all ;)
16:43<abrotman>oh sure .. just run away ...
16:43<missing|No>well thanks to all for the help, too
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16:44<oguncak>simply, if i want to install debian via usb boot, what should i do step by step? i read the instructions on the web, but i couldnt understand anyway!!! i am a newby :D
16:45<abrotman>which instructions?
16:46<oguncak>but it's just too complicated for me :(
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16:50<noflash>oguncak, find a local lug or debian user close to you and have them help you
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16:55<squelos>does anyone know an irc chan for php ?
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16:58<skullbox>hi all
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16:58<skullbox>first time debian installer and i have a question
16:58<skullbox>are there any more sources i should add to apt after an install?
16:59<squelos>skullbox, it depends what you want to do.
16:59<squelos>but yes, you will have to add sources.
16:59<skullbox>im just not finding packages that i would normally find in the ubuntu repos, such as deluge
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16:59<abrotman>squelos: ##php on
17:00<abrotman>judd: versions deluge
17:00<judd>abrotman: deluge -- experimental: 1.1.2.dfsg-1 sid: 1.1.9+dfsg-1 squeeze: 1.1.9+dfsg-1
17:00<abrotman>not in lenny ..
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17:00<netbook>how to build debian live with xen?
17:00<abrotman>but there are tons of other BT clients
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17:01<squelos>skull, youll have to add unofficial repos
17:02<slush>it's deluge-torrent
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17:02<skullbox>slush, thnx
17:03<abrotman>judd: versions deluge-torrent
17:03<judd>abrotman: deluge-torrent -- etch-backports: 0.5.0-2~bpo.1 lenny: experimental: 1.1.2.dfsg-1 sid: 1.1.9+dfsg-1 squeeze: 1.1.9+dfsg-1
17:03<abrotman>oh .. there you go
17:03<abrotman>skullbox: aptitude install deluge-torrent
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17:03<skullbox>whats the diff between aptitude and apt-get?
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17:06<squelos>the php chan is full -_-
17:06<edbian>When I receive attachments in emails the drop down arrow opens a box that is supposed to have a file icon in it but instead the box is simply empty. Any ideas?
17:07<squelos>i think aptitude is more recent. apt-get is the old command. people would recommand you to use aptitude now instead of apt-get
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17:08<edbian>apt-get is more explicit. It only does EXACTLY what you tell it to do so many people use those commands in tutorials and in helping others.
17:09<abrotman>skullbox: you should use aptitude for most actions .. it has much better problem resolution should one arise
17:09<skullbox>abrotman, gotcha ty
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17:11<squelos>i cant join php. It send me back to some overflow chan.
17:11<squelos>i think the chan is full -_-
17:11<abrotman>squelos: on freenode ?
17:11<abrotman>##php ?
17:11<abrotman>it doesn't get 'full'
17:12<squelos>yeah ##php
17:12<abrotman>you have to register with nickserv
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17:13*abrotman thinks that seems kind of dumb for such a large channel
17:14<squelos>the registration ?
17:14<abrotman>squelos: on freenode, /msg nickserv help
17:15<abrotman>squelos: do you speak another language besides english ?
17:15<squelos>yeah i speak french. I got it, i thought i was registered, but i didnt validate it ....
17:16<abrotman>ah ok
17:16<abrotman>i was going to say that there are some php language specific channels that might not require registration
17:16<squelos>yeah im on it now.
17:16<squelos>whats the difference between a # and a ## channel ?
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17:18<abrotman>official vs unofficial
17:18<squelos>## unofficial chan ?
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17:21<sney`>sometimes the ## denotes overflow as well
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17:22<skullbox>does envyng work well in debian or should i just configure nvidia the old fashioned way?
17:23<sney`>envyng may work but it's unsupported, just use the debian method with module-assistant
17:23<abrotman>skullbox: envy isn't recommended
17:23<skullbox>kk ty
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17:24<abrotman>sney`: on FN, it denotes an unofficial channel (based on the freenode policy/FAQ)
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17:30<cusco>I have a problem... ssh -X does not set $DISPLAY var on remote host
17:31<cusco>x11 forwarding is enabled
17:31<cusco>any hints?
17:31<cusco>I can't open anything like xclock because it cannot open display
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17:34<squelos>sorry i cant help you :/
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17:36<cusco>thanks squelos
17:36<squelos>but if you wait a bit, someone should show up
17:36<squelos>go for a smoke, then go drink a glass of coke, and come back.
17:37<squelos>usually the solution is here waiting for you
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17:37<Gold24>cusco: make sure you have xutils and xauth installed on the server
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17:38<cusco>I did made sure of that already
17:39<Gold24>did you allow it in sshd_config?
17:40<Gold24>and restarted it?
17:40<cusco>I thought I sayd I had x11 forwarding enabled
17:41<cusco>ssh -vv shows
17:41<cusco>to prove that
17:41<Gold24>yeah sorry :)
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17:42<Gold24>well i'm out of ideas
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17:43<Gold24>actually try -Y instead of -X
17:43<cusco>I did that too
17:43<cusco>it does not set the $DISPLAY var
17:44<Gold24>have you tried setting it manually?
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17:46<cusco>Gold24: to what?
17:46<cusco>I tried many..
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17:46<cusco>hi AlkimistaDiStato
17:47<netskillsii>need help configuring Compiz 3D effects
17:47<Gold24>well localhost:10.0
17:47<Gold24>but well guess you tried that too then ;)
17:47<AlkimistaDiStato>i'm italina
17:47<cusco>do you speak english=
17:47<hamsand>hi all
17:48<hamsand>i have a problem about iptables LOG target module
17:48<netskillsii>I am running Debian lenny, why is my xorg.conf empty
17:48<hamsand>i use iptables-1.4.2 in debian-lenny
17:48<cusco>Gold24: like that xclock does not error out, nor does it pop up, localhost suggests me that it might popup on the local X
17:48<cusco>instead of here
17:48<hamsand>i used LOG target as below
17:48<hamsand># iptables -A OUTPUT -m state --state NEW -j LOG
17:48<hamsand>and i got a log below in syslog
17:48<AlkimistaDiStato>not very well
17:48<hamsand>Aug 24 15:11:55 kernel: IN= OUT=ppp0 SRC= DST= LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=56146 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=20831 DPT=80 WINDOW=5656 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
17:48<hamsand>this log is too long for me, i want to make it short like below
17:48<Gold24>cusco: nah it sets up a tunnel
17:48<sney`>netskillsii: xorg.conf is empty by default because the basic settings are autodetected. you can generate a basic one by shutting X down and running X -configure
17:48<hamsand>Aug 24 15:11:55 kernel: SRC= DST= PROTO=TCP SPT=20831 DPT=80
17:49<Gold24>or at least that is what it is supposed to
17:49<hamsand>can i get short form logs and how?
17:49<cusco>Gold24: ok... but it still does not open and I don't know why
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17:49<AlkimistaDiStato>italian in room
17:50<Gold24>you seem to have tried everything i would suggest
17:50<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:50<cusco>or that
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17:50<cusco>Gold24: I tried lots of stuff, removing everything belongig to X, purging it and install it with confmiss...
17:50<cusco>I really don't know what else to do
17:51<Gold24>cusco: lenny?
17:51<netskillsii>sney: Thank you, do you have the command to shutdown X. Will this help me configure compiz. I've always had Ubuntu which always had Compiz enabled after installation.
17:51<Gold24>just curious
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17:52<Gold24>you have all of these installed i guess x11-common x11-session-utils x11-utils x11-xfs-utils x11-xserver-utils xauth
17:53<Gold24>at least those are the packages i have installed on a lenny where it works
17:53<netskillsii>I've been spending hours on this, everything else works. I was able to install all my applications. Sorry i am a n00b and need serious help!
17:53<sney`>netskillsii: you can shut down X from gdm by doing ctrl+alt+backspace
17:54<Gold24>that's everything i can say :)
17:54<sney`>alternately, do ctrl+alt+f2 and then killall X
17:54<Gold24>anyway i was going to sleep
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17:55<netskillsii>sney: then i will need to perform X -configure. right!
17:56<netskillsii>thanks for you help
17:57<sney`>you can get back into X with startx, or just rebooting
17:58<netskillsii>sney: Sounds good, i will try this.
17:59<netskillsii>sney: Do you know how to enable compiz on Debian Lenny.
18:00<sney`>I've never done it myself, I'm actually trying it out now
18:00<dpkg>The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at or it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables ( for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read
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18:02<netskillsii>Yes, this is the same procedure i tried but no success! I think its because my xorg.conf file is empty. Wht do u thk?
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18:05<crashoverride>hay does any body know how to install flash.because i have tryd 4 times now and it willnot work
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18:06<abrotman>!adobe flash
18:06<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and users. Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta>
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18:07<crashoverride>well can you then tell me what i need to do then
18:07<sney`>netskillsii: yes, you would need to make the xorg.conf modifications for it to work
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18:08<crashoverride>i had to reinstall my os 3 time to day as well
18:09<crashoverride> can you plese tell me what to do
18:09<abrotman>because of flash?
18:09<crashoverride>i am not sure
18:09<netskillsii>thank you i will try this good luck installing Compiz, thanks for the help
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18:10<crashoverride>there are a lot of things that was working lastknight
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18:10<crashoverride>nothing is really working any morew the way it should be
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18:11<crashoverride>so tell me what i need to do plese
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18:12<crashoverride>yo tell me what i need to do
18:12<crashoverride>i has to install everthing back
18:13<crashoverride>now there are not working
18:13<sney`>add contrib and non-free to your sources.list and install flashplugin-nonfree
18:13<crashoverride>i did
18:13<crashoverride>it is not working'
18:13<sney`>and that's the one that isn't working?
18:14<crashoverride>i have gone to a website to look at some old tv shows and not a thing is working
18:14<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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18:15<crashoverride>so can u help me out
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18:15<crashoverride>i have done all i could
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18:16<crashoverride>come on
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18:16<crashoverride>HELP ME OUT
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18:20<dr|z3d>crashoverride: What's your issue?
18:20<dr|z3d>Oh. Flash install. That's pretty painless. You may need to alias your .so file for it to work in IceWeasel, then again.. have you tried aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree ?
18:21<abrotman>if you don't have dmm or bpo enabled, won't work
18:21*dr|z3d gets knocked sideways by the tla's.
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18:22<crashoverride>i have tould u what i need help on
18:22<crashoverride>i cant install flash
18:22<dr|z3d>What's the error you're getting?
18:22<crashoverride>i cant seem to get my movie player to work
18:23<dr|z3d>Did you try aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree ?
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18:23<crashoverride>the error is saying that flash is in stall
18:23<crashoverride>but it not working
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18:23<abrotman>dr|z3d: did you miss wha ti said?
18:23<abrotman>what i said
18:24<skullbox>can someone give me a hand with installing my nvidia drivers? i have been going through the wiki but i still feel like im not getting something. id rather get some support before i go any further
18:24<crashoverride>verytime i try to play a dvd it will not work
18:24<dr|z3d>abrotman: You better explain dmm and bpo to crashoverride.. not sure he understood.. :)
18:24<abrotman>crashoverride: fix one thing at a time
18:24<abrotman>dr|z3d: you apparently don't either
18:24<crashoverride>i have tryd
18:24<abrotman>crashoverride: which version of debian are you running ?
18:24<crashoverride>will i amnot
18:24<crashoverride>i am ubuntu
18:25<dr|z3d>I don't need flash fixing.. and you're right, I'm not overly conversant with either dmm or bpo.
18:25<abrotman>oh ffs
18:25<crashoverride>by that band me
18:25<abrotman>crashoverride: go to #ubuntu on freenode for support
18:25<crashoverride>thay band me
18:25<crashoverride>i cant
18:25*dr|z3d laughs.
18:25<abrotman>that's not our problem, we do NOT support ubuntu
18:25<crashoverride>get in
18:25<abrotman>crashoverride: try ##linux on freenode.
18:25<skullbox>can someone give me a hand with installing my nvidia drivers? i have been going through the wiki but i still feel like im not getting something. id rather get some support before i go any further
18:25<crashoverride>i am new to linux
18:25<abrotman>go to freenode, join that channel
18:26<crashoverride>can u give me link
18:26<abrotman>crashoverride: /server .. after it connects, /join ##linux
18:26<abrotman>skullbox: which step are you stuck on ?
18:27<skullbox>abrotman, ok so far ive gathered that i needed to install module-assistant and nvidia-kernal-common, along with the actual driver from the repos
18:27<skullbox>i got stuck on running m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
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18:27<abrotman>did you setup contrib/non-free sources ?
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18:27<skullbox>nope not yet
18:28<skullbox>unsure what that is
18:28<abrotman>skullbox: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin
18:28<skullbox>k 1 sec
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18:30<abrotman>you already have what you need .. so run `aptitude update` .. then use the command above that you pasted
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18:30<abrotman>oh .. it's not a full command .. i get it
18:30<abrotman>which video card do you have ?
18:30<skullbox>nono i edited it
18:30<skullbox>ill pastebin the result
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18:32<skullbox>ok nvm i ran it again and its working now
18:32<abrotman>okay then ..
18:32<skullbox>ill keep u updated on my progress
18:32<skullbox>ty btw
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18:33<skullbox>should i run update or prepare in the module assistant?
18:34<abrotman>the a-i will do both for you IIRC
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18:37<skullbox>k idk if this worked but ill brb
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18:38<sney>apparently setting compiz up with xfce4 is somewhat complicated!
18:40<abrotman>what if it didn't ?
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18:48<abrotman>guess it didn't work ?
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18:49<sney>guess not
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19:08<stuckey>If I'm running stable, and a new distribution is released, and I upgrade, does my kernel get upgraded as well, or do I have to do that seperatly?
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19:13<sander>stuckey, depends upon if youve installed the right kernel meta package
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19:18<burnclouds>ok guys, What am I missing? I have installed the lastes trunk kernel due to a shutdown issue with the rt2860 driver in 2.6.29. I now have 2.6.31-rc6. I ran "nvidia-installer --update" and it complained about not having the kernel headers. so I installed "linux-headers-2.6.31-rc6-common".
19:18<burnclouds>I tried the nvidia installer again with the same responce.
19:20<stuckey>sander: so this is something I've got to do myself... it doesn't just happen automatically
19:20<stuckey>I learn something new all the time
19:20<stuckey>What kernel version should I have if I'm running unstable?
19:21<stuckey>burnclouds: nvidia installer isn't supported here. Use #nvidia on freenode.
19:21<ml|>judd: kernel
19:21<judd>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
19:21<sney>sometimes sid is just broken
19:21<stuckey>How do I tell which kernel I have right now?
19:21<sander>stuckey, uname -a
19:21<stuckey>Linux debian 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jun 21 04:47:08 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
19:21<stuckey>That's what I got... and I should have 2.6.30... right?
19:22<ml|>sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6)
19:22<sney>maybe you have 2.6.30 installed but not running
19:22<stuckey>What should I do?
19:23<burnclouds>stucky: let me rephrase the question then. Where/How do I get the 686 kernel headers and kbuild package for the latest trunk kernel?
19:23<abrotman>stuckey: which version of debian are you running?
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19:23<sney>if there are entries for 2.6.30 in menu.lst, reboot and select the correct kernel
19:24<stuckey>sney: can I view menu list right now?
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19:25<burnclouds>Where/How do I get the 686 kernel headers and kbuild package for the latest trunk kernel?
19:25<stuckey>burnclouds: why don't you install the nvidia drive the debian way?
19:25<burnclouds>well I need the headers anyway.
19:25<sander>stuckey, grep title /boot/grub/menu.lst
19:25<ml|>editor /boot/grub/grub.cfg or /boot/grub/menu.lst
19:26<stuckey>apt-get install linux-headers-$KVERS
19:26<stuckey>burnclouds: that should work for you...
19:26<stuckey>sebash: there's no 2.6.30 in the menu list, just 2.6.26
19:27<burnclouds>KVERS is empty
19:27<stuckey>Then uname -a and use what it says there.
19:28<stuckey>Or, export KVERS=$(uname -r)
19:28<stuckey>then do it again
19:28<abrotman>stuckey: which version of debian are you running?
19:29<stuckey>I can't believe I didn't know that the kernel wasn't automatically upgraded... I thought aptitude did it all.
19:29<abrotman>stuckey: which version of debian are you running?
19:29<burnclouds>The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-headers-2.6.31-rc6-686: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.31 but it is not installable
19:29<sander>stuckey, you need to install linux-image-2.6-amd64
19:29<stuckey>Do "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" then try it again
19:30<abrotman>stuckey: which version of debian are you running??
19:30<abrotman>whoops ..
19:30<burnclouds>stucky: that directed at me?
19:30<stuckey>burnclouds: yes
19:30<burnclouds>I already did
19:30<stuckey>sander: how come the kernel isn't upgraded automatically?
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19:30<burnclouds>Fetched 8512B in 2s (2895B/s)
19:30<burnclouds>Reading package lists... Done
19:30<burnclouds>Reading state information... Done
19:30<burnclouds>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
19:30<stuckey>burnclouds: hmm... then I don't know. It's a dependency problem. Someone else might know how to fix it, but I don't.
19:31<sander>stuckey, because you dont have that package installed
19:31<sander>stuckey, I guess
19:31<stuckey>sander: it's just a package that does that? so I need to install that package everytime?
19:31<ml|>abrotman: please one more time ;)
19:31<stuckey>but now in the future, it will upgrade the kernel automatically... right?
19:31<abrotman>the last one was an accident .. even though he still didn't answer
19:31<sander>stuckey, yes
19:31<ml|>abrotman: hehe :)
19:32<sander>abrotman, <stuckey> What kernel version should I have if I'm running unstable?
19:32<sander>abrotman, seems like he's running unstable
19:33<stuckey>yes, I'm running unstable
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19:34<ml|>then you should be using /boot/grub/grub.cfg instead of /boot/grub/menu.lst
19:34<renato>hi all
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19:34<stuckey>ml|: I wasn't aware of this...
19:34<EpicDewd>Is it possible to use apt-get to get the source of a program without root?
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19:35<stuckey>ml|: how come that wasn't updated when I upgrade to sid? How do I fix it?
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19:36<ml|>stuckey: grub-pc is grub2 that uses /boot/grub/grub.cfg grub-legacy uses /boot/grub/menu.lst
19:36<stuckey>so I can just aptitude install grub-pc
19:36<stuckey>and remove grub-legacy?
19:36<stuckey>I have grub and grub common installed...
19:36<stuckey>And what's the benefit to using grub-pc?
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19:37<ml|>stuckey: yes, but use -s to be on the save side with aptitude
19:38<rudi_s_>EpicDewd: apt-get source programname
19:38<rudi_s_>No need for root, it's fetched in the current directory.
19:38<stuckey>-b would have needed root
19:38<EpicDewd>rudi_s_: E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
19:38<EpicDewd> I get that :[
19:38<stuckey>ml|: so what's the benefit to using grub-pc?
19:38<ml|>stuckey: if you are running sid i would think you want to use newer stuff? and test things file bugreports as needed
19:39<stuckey>Ah, hosing things, yes.
19:40<burnclouds>finally got the srouce package for kbuild-2.6.31
19:40<stuckey>I haven't hosed my system in a while... it's about time I started experimenting again...
19:40<ml|>stuckey: does things very differently, if you do decide to use grub-pc chainload to menu.lst to test
19:41<stuckey>ml|: how do I do this?
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19:42<ml|>stuckey: then if it boot do upgrade-from-grub-legacy, it will do it for you, just read when it is being installed
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19:42<stuckey>ml|: how do I use grub-pc chainload to list?
19:43<EpicDewd>How can I make apt-get use a different sources list, without root. :S
19:43<stuckey>that will tell me if it's going to work or not when I reboot, right?
19:43<stuckey>You can't... I don't think.
19:43<ml|>stuckey: keep in mind it's very different that grub-legacy
19:44<ml|>stuckey: yes read above and good luck
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19:44<ml|>stuckey: are you running some lvm setup?
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19:44<stuckey>ml|: nope
19:44<stuckey>ml|: wait
19:44<stuckey>yes I am
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19:47<ml|>stuckey: ok, i know of someone that tried grub-pc and chainload would boot fine, then after doing upgrade-from-grub-legacy it would not boot, the person was using lvm and encrypted setup so be warned and ready to fix if things go wrong
19:48<EpicDewd>How can I make apt-get use a different sources list, without root. :S
19:48<ml|>stuckey: good luck
19:48<burnclouds>EpicDewd: you can't
19:48<EpicDewd>Where the hell would I find autoreconf source ? :S
19:48<burnclouds>can you use sudo?
19:49<ml|>stuckey: before doing this i suggest you read what you can on grub2
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19:49<ml|>EpicDewd: what's wrong with being root for this?
19:50<EpicDewd>Its not my server.
19:50<EpicDewd>Its actually a web host running debian
19:50<EpicDewd>That i have ssh access too.
19:50<rudi_s_>EpicDewd: Go to and download it.
19:50<EpicDewd>oh :D
19:50<burnclouds>but to install you'll need root anyway
19:51<sney>I love how the grub transition page on the debian wiki has approximately 0 useful information
19:51<EpicDewd>damnnnn lol
19:51<ml|>ah, well get somoone to setup sudo for you
19:51<EpicDewd>No --prefix when compiling?
19:51<burnclouds>dpkg -i file.deb, requires root
19:51*dpkg installs file.deb, requires root into burnclouds's head with a bone saw and a few screws
19:52<ml|>sney: yes, and google is not that helpful either, need to dig deep for grub2 stuff atm
19:52<sney>the grub wiki told me what I needed to know
19:53<sney>which is that it doesn't like jfs system partitions. looks like I'm sticking with grub 1 for now
19:53<burnclouds>I for got all about that bot
19:53<burnclouds>damn funny
19:53<ml|>yes, that was grub wiki on grub2 has gotten better
19:54<ml|>s/that was/the/
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19:58<rektide>my system's RTC is broken, which ext3 isnt happy about:
19:58<rektide>is there some kind of kernel parameter i can pass in to keep the system from failing to start, as its doing now?
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20:00<abrotman>rektide: what time does the BIOS think itis ?
20:01<rektide>abrotman: january 1, 2000. but the RTC driver fails at initialization, so i dont have a /dev/rtc device
20:01<abrotman>rektide: but .. your BIOS clock is wrong ?
20:02<rektide>its broken
20:02<abrotman>so go into the bios .. fix the time .. and boot the system
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20:02<rektide>the RTC device is broken on this system
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20:02<rektide>i can set the time, but a) the time doesnt move forwards and b) if i reset, its setting is lost
20:03<rektide>surely there has to be some way to boot without knowing the time
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20:03<ml|>tried a bios update? and new battery?
20:04<rektide>this is an embedded unit with faulty hardware
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20:04<rektide>there is no bios
20:05<rektide>i'm sure theres some way to boot linux without knowing the time
20:05<rektide>but what and how, i dont know
20:05<abrotman>you could just let it fsck ?
20:06<rektide> indicates "/dev/sda1: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY."
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20:07<rektide>i'd be fine if it had to fsck the drive every time i booted, but thats not the behavior i'm getting, and i dont know what interface points i have to tell it to do otherwise
20:10<xeon-enouf>rektide: buy a battery?
20:10<xeon-enouf>rektide: there are workarounds for broken RTCs
20:10<xeon-enouf>rektide: which kernel? a debian one?
20:11<rektide>kernel from compiled with make-kpkg and emdebian
20:11<xeon-enouf>well ..
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20:29<diego>Hi, how can I flush DNS cache under debian?
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20:45<lagenar>I installed kde-minimal in squeeze and after a while I tried to remove it with apt-get remove kde-minimal but it didn't remove all kde packages, what can I do to delete all of them?
20:47<burnclouds>apt-get autoremove
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20:48<lagenar>yeah I tried that too, but didn't work
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20:49<burnclouds>I'm not sure then
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20:50<burnclouds>try reinstall then autoremove kde-minimal
20:50<lagenar>burnclouds, ok thanks
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20:51<burnclouds>lagenar, i'm not sure if that will work.
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21:34<maslic>hey ppl... anyone wanna play some game???
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21:36<abrotman>How about a nice game of Chess?
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22:15<GhostlyDeath>IRSSI doesn't even use my alternate nick
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22:15<GhostlyDeath>it just throws random numbers in names
22:15<GhostlyDeath>How can I fix this?
22:19<chealer>GhostlyDeath: did you ask #irssi ?
22:19<GhostlyDeath>On which network?
22:20<GhostlyDeath>I'll ask there
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22:30<blunted>kush:/home/blunted# modprobe ndiswrapper
22:30<blunted>WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper, it will be ignored in a future release.
22:30<blunted>FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
22:31<blunted>I cant get my wifi card to work
22:31<blunted>shouldn't have updated
22:32<abrotman>which wifi chipset is it?
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22:33<blunted>02:00.0 Ethernet controller: D-Link System Inc DFE-690TXD CardBus PC Card (rev 10)
22:33<blunted>no wait
22:33<blunted>that aint it
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22:35<blunted>02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
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22:35<dpkg>[b43] the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. #bcm-users on
22:36<dpkg>[wl] Broadcom's non-free "hybrid" driver, supporting wireless LAN devices based on the BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4321 or BCM4322 chipset; for x86 and x86-64 only. Supports the BCM4312 low-power variant (14e4:4315). Packaged for Debian <testing>. To install, ask me about <wl one-liner> or follow the instructions at . For support of other Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>.
22:37<abrotman>you probably just want the b43-fwcutter
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22:39<blunted>where i get dat from
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22:40<abrotman>it's a package .. install it
22:40<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
22:40<blunted>E: Couldn't find package b43-fwcutter
22:41<gsimmons>blunted: You'll need to add contrib sources ; /msg dpkg contrib
22:41<blunted>see that all you had to say
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22:41<abrotman>sorry, forgot they hid the b43-fwcutter in contrib
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22:42<blunted>why doesn't ndiswrapper not work anymore
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22:42<blunted>seems kinda retarded
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22:43*abrotman would rather use b43 than ndiswrapper
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22:44<blunted>oh i see
22:44<blunted>it seems to be doing it for me
22:47<blunted>ok what now
22:47<blunted>nm man
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22:48<mono>hi, world!
22:48<mono>is somebody here?
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22:49<mono>my english is not good, by try to explain...
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22:49<mono>man strtoll: The strtol() function returns the result of the conversion, unless the value would underflow or overflow. If an underflow occurs, strtol() returns
22:49<mono> LONG_MIN. If an overflow occurs, strtol() returns LONG_MAX. In both cases, errno is set to ERANGE. Precisely the same holds for strtoll() (with
22:49<mono> LLONG_MIN and LLONG_MAX instead of LONG_MIN and LONG_MAX).
22:50*blunted stares blankly
22:50<mono>but stroll( "wtf", NULL, 10 ) returns 0 and errno = 0. wtf?
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22:52<abrotman>blunted: is it working now ?
22:53<jmarsden>mono: If the second parameter is NULL then you are converting a zero length string... result is not underflow or overflow, result is zero.
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22:54<jidm_>hi. how can i reload inet.d on squeeze? there is no /etc/init.d/inetd file
22:54<jmarsden>mono: underflow would be something like strtol('9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999', ...)
22:54<jmarsden>ah, make that overflow :)
22:55<ldsas>hello. any can tell me the simplest way to drop back a kernel version to 2.4?
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22:56<abrotman>ldsas: you really don't want to do that
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22:57<mono>jmarsden: no. second parametr is char ** and could be NULL if you dont wont get last readed symbol.
22:57<gsimmons>jidm_: Assuming openbsd-inetd is installed, use the /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd init script.
22:57<mono>The implementation may also set errno to EINVAL in case no conversion was performed (no digits seen, and 0 returned).
22:57<jmarsden>mono: Yes, OK. But still, your "number" contains no digits, so that is neither underflow (too small a number) nor overflow (too large a number).
22:57<ldsas>yeah, really really want the ide_scsi to work... and am pretty sure it became broken in 2.6 - at least for my purposes. don't know about the cd writer bt
22:58<mono>jmarsden: man: The implementation may also set errno to EINVAL in case no conversion was performed (no digits seen, and 0 returned).
22:58<jmarsden>mono: Yes, EINVAL might be nice, but it is not required by the spec.
22:58<ldsas>think it'w well understood that it's broken in 2.6
22:58<jidm_>gsimmons thanks, that worked!
22:58<jmarsden>"may" ... or may not
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22:59<abrotman>ldsas: you mean for a CD burner ?
22:59<ldsas>no, tape drive
23:00<ldsas>but.. yes i think cd burners are the other major concern
23:00<abrotman>you really shuldn't need that crappy emulation layer anymore
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23:01<ldsas>can it be added back into the package manager simply by updating the package lists?
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23:02<abrotman>etch and lenyn are not supported with a 2.4 kernel
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23:03<abrotman>ldsas: why doesn't the tape drive work? every tape drive i've used works fine with etch/lenny
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23:04<mono>jmarsden: uncertainty is evil.
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23:04<jmarsden>mono: Feel free to subnit a patch to the library and to request a change to POSIX :)
23:04<mono> jmarsden: but thx for explain.
23:04<jmarsden>No problem.
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23:06<ldsas>don't know why it dosn't work. but it dosn't... found many other messages on various web pages asking for help with it because others not working. plus one from kernel dist list saying that it truely dosn't work
23:06<ldsas>also the device that the drive maps to dosn't seem to allow the tools to work with it
23:06<ldsas>they crash, locking the machine
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23:07<ldsas>at least two different command line tools. plus all the notes i was able to find specify using the device via scsi device names.
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23:08<abrotman>you can try to compile it .. but don't be surprised if it doesn't work
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23:09<ldsas>2.6... yeah. have tried. but since i found the info stating that ide-scsi is not working, now my issue is getting back to a working version... 2.4 is my first avenue
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23:16<ldsas>know how i can get 2.4 onto my machine - either source or binary
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23:22<ldsas>ok, downloading it now. thank you
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23:34<diego>hi, how can I flush the DNS cache in debian ?
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23:52<PimP>anyone know virtualhosts with apach2.0?
23:52<PimP>do i have to restart apache after i make changes?
23:52<PimP>service apache restart
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