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---Logopened Wed Sep 02 00:00:36 2009
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00:26<Wilduck>Hey guys, I'm having a hard time getting chinese characters to display in iceweasel. I'm looking at a chinese page and my encoding is unicode-8, I have a set of chinese fonts installed (I think?), and since I've installed them I have restarted X and iceweasel. Still no dice. Any suggestions?
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00:36<Gun_Smoke>Morning.. Iceweasel can not connect to secure pages.. The page you are trying to view can not be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
00:36<Gun_Smoke>Am I missing some magical package to handle this?
00:40<Wilduck>Ho ho! Some clever googling and I'm displaying chinese now
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00:54<shadowpho>Hey, I am trying to do dpkg -i gcc-4.4-source, but it's requiring autoconf2.59 which was removed
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00:55<shadowpho>The reason I need gcc-source is to make arm-elf compiler
00:55<shadowpho>What should I do?
00:56<shadowpho>It seems autoconf2.59 was removed two years ago, and I do have autoconf v2.61.... :(
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00:58<shadowpho>am I just using dpkg -i wrong?
00:58<moe>hello everyone
00:59<shadowpho>hey, moe
00:59<moe>i had an error before the system freeze, i checked the system log and it says "kernal: Cannot find map file" anyone can help me on that
01:00<moe>hey shadowpho
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01:01<shadowpho>moe: ls -l /boot/
01:01<shadowpho>see if there is .map file in there
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01:01<moe>yea that i checked there are 2 files so im a bit confuesd
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01:04<shadowpho>paste the error in google
01:04<shadowpho>second linky looks promising
01:04<shadowpho>I just can't copy the address
01:05<moe>just going to compare them both to see what's happening
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01:12<blazemonkey>hi all
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01:13<blazemonkey>anyone an expert on file permossions? :)
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01:44<SoloFlyer>blazemonkey: just ask the question
01:44<SoloFlyer>!ask blazemonkey
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02:45<valdyn>judd: versions autoconf2.59
02:46<judd>valdyn: autoconf2.59 -- sid: 2.59-1 squeeze: 2.59-1
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03:06<groulder>i've just installed debian 4.0
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03:07<groulder>how do i immediately dist-upgrade to 5.0.2?
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03:09<ffws>adjust your sources, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
03:10<jm_>just read release notes for lenny - it explaines the upgrade process
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05:30<koffee>anyone know how to install deluge?
05:30<dr|z3d>aptitude install deluge
05:30<koffee>i did apt-get
05:30<dr|z3d>Assuming you have the correct (multimedia?) repo configured..
05:30<koffee>but there is no deluged in /usr/bin
05:31<koffee>just the client
05:31<dr|z3d>tried: locate deluge ?
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05:36<jm_>why would there be deluged?
05:38<dr|z3d>Typo, I think, jm_..
05:38<themill>apt-file is your friend
05:38<themill>(and there *is* a deluged)
05:39<jm_>dr|z3d: nope, I checked and source package mentions deluged
05:39<dr|z3d>apt-file <packagename> shows you all installed files?
05:39<dr|z3d>Roger that. :)
05:39<jm_>and not isntalled too - apt-file list pkg
05:40<dr|z3d>Ah, ok. Noted.
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05:40<jm_>from the README.Debian: The `deluge-core` package contains the daemon application (deluged) which does
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05:41<themill>it's in deluge-core, but that should be installed as a dep of deluge itself.
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05:41<jm_>it's not a dependency according to p.d.o
05:42<jm_>ahh via -common
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05:43<jm_>so either koffee is wrong or he's not using debian
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05:50<bloebb>hi, i want to reinstall debian for a couple of reasons and would like to back up my complete icewasel configuration
05:50<bloebb>what would that include appart from ~./mozilla
05:51<dr|z3d>bloebb: That would be sufficient.
05:51<dr|z3d>Your profile is all you need.
05:51<bloebb>i don't think so
05:51<bloebb>what about certificates i installed manually?
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05:51<koffee>debian_version - 5.0.2
05:51<koffee>tried locate, just tried apt-get remove and then install again
05:52<dr|z3d>bloebb: Are your manual certs available in a new profile?
05:52<bloebb>let me have a look
05:52<dr|z3d>If they're not, then they're bound to your existing profile..
05:53<bloebb>ok, they are bound to the ~./mozilla will the job
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05:53<koffee>no deluged anywhere
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05:56<bloebb>so, is it save then to simply "mv [my .mozilla] .mozilla" on the new system?
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06:08<koffee>aha! I had to edit apt sources.list
06:08<koffee>now core is installed, and deluged is where it should be
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06:36<ottoshmidt>why am I unable to check/uncheck places in software sources under debian software tab?
06:36<ottoshmidt>on Debian Squeeze
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06:37<amol1>hi to all, is there any utility to use gemalto scosta compilient card in debian?
06:38<amol1>i have installed libccid and pcscd
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07:03<mjk>Any recommendations on a firewall for my home server that -- without hours of configuration -- prevents any services from being offered to the outside (ADSL, dynamic IP addr.) except maybe for a few holes for my peer-to-peer-client? The server's running Lenny.
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07:03<mjk>There are gazillions of firewalls in Lenny ...
07:04<mjk>Too much for an old man to decide for one. :-}
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07:04<petemc>shorewall is popular
07:04<mjk>"popular" is a good criterion, as ppl are lazy -- just like me. :-)
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07:17<xover>hi guys, can someone in nutshell explain the major difference between NIS, NIS+ and LDAP?
07:17<xover>I believe NIS works on a flat domain and doesnt support schemas, is that true for NIS+ too?
07:17<petemc>this is what wikipedia is for
07:18<jm_>NIS+ supports hierarchy AFAIK
07:18<jm_>yup it does
07:18<xover>which is the better option?
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07:38<ottoshmidt>synaptic manager crashes when latter C is typed then searching (not in Ctrl+F, but in listbox)
07:40<mjk>ottoshmidt: Sure it's Shift-C and not Ctrl-C?
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07:55<FilipeMaia>Is it normal that a 3GB file takes about 30s to unlink in a large XFS partition?
07:56<jm_>maybe try to find some fs benchmark if it confirms your findings
07:58<FilipeMaia>I will try it on another machine
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07:58<FilipeMaia>On another machine it takes below 1 second
07:58<FilipeMaia>But on a file built with dd so it might be a fair comparison
07:59<koollman>FilipeMaia: I would say it's because the file is fragmented, and the FS probably almost full.
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07:59<FilipeMaia>koollman, it has 1.3TB free, it's 90% full
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07:59<koollman>hmm. not what I thought then
08:00<koollman>so, no, not 'normal'
08:00<FilipeMaia>koollman, i'm gonna run the dd test on the slow server
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08:00<FilipeMaia>The dd file is removed pretty fast
08:00<FilipeMaia>also below 1 second
08:01<FilipeMaia>i'm gonna check if it's because it's inside a deep directory hierarchy
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08:04<mjk>petemc: shorewall was too fiddly for me, but thanks for the hint. I took arno-iptables-firewall, which was quickly set up via debconf -- it only had the drawback that it forgot a masquerading iptables rule, which I had to add manually to custom.rules.
08:05<ottoshmidt>mjk, no it was c and even if Shift+C the effect is the same
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08:06<mjk>ottoshmidt: Hm. Then I'd say file a bug report via reportbug
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08:23<roelof>hello, Im looking for a linux which i can easily make a openbox system and nothing else
08:23<roelof>can debian do this ?
08:24<koollman>sure, depending of what you mean by 'and nothing else'.
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08:25<roelof>im mean no xfce, kde or gnome files
08:25<ml|>yes, just do a minimal install and install only what you want
08:27<roelof>oke, is openbox in one of the reporties which has support ?
08:27<ml|>roelof: /msg dpkg netinst
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08:29<ml|>roelof: what do you mean?
08:29<roelof>soory, I know a little , what do you mean with msg dpkg netinstall
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08:30<ml|>type that just like i did above in your irc client
08:30<roelof>what I mean is that in slackware and in ubuntu there are no security updates for openbox
08:30<ml|>then look for a new window tab named dpkg
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08:31<jackyf>roelof: yeah, openbox is in main repository
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08:46<amol1>hi to all, is there any utility or application avaialble to do authentication using smart card?
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08:47<petemc>apt-cache search smartcard
08:51<fgh>hi amol1
08:51<amol1>fgh, hi
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08:52<amol1>petmc:i did then i psccd and pcsc-tools only packages available.
08:52<amol1>other are drivers of smartcard
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08:54<amol1>pcscd is a resource manager that coordinates communications with smart card readers and smart cards and cryptographic tokens that are connected to the system
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08:55<amol1>petemc, i am searching application to test smart card uses in authentication
08:56<petemc>yes, you said
08:56<petemc>i made a suggestion
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09:00<piovasco>may i ask
09:01<fgh>hello piovasco
09:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:01<piovasco>i have a pc with two harddrives, one 30Gb and the other 80Gb
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09:02<piovasco>have debian currently installed on the 30 G
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09:02<piovasco>would it be beter if it was installed on the 80G harddrive?
09:03<petemc>you can mount the 80 gig harddrive whereever you need the space most
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09:03<petemc>like, in your home dir
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09:04<piovasco>just thinking that maybe on drive was somehow faster than the other and it would be better in terms of speed or performance if debian was installed on the fastest drive
09:04<piovasco>not sure if that made any sense
09:04<KangarooBox>Hey all, I am having trouble with my Dell PE1650 machine freezing after upgrading to Squeeze. Is there any known incompatibility?
09:04<petemc>you didnt mention whether one hard drive was fast than the other, probably theres not much in it tho
09:05<jm_>I doubt you will notice much difference - but it's easy to copy it to the other drive, see hard disk upgrade howto
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09:05<KangarooBox>I've tried the same hard drive on two different servers and they both freeze hard; so I don't think its hardware related...
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09:08<mostly2>hi everyone
09:08<mostly2>can i ask somethink?
09:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:09<amol1>petemc, like in windows is it possible to do Login aunthitication on basis of smart card not on basis of user name and password
09:09<KangarooBox>I don't understand it. Why would the system just freeze?!
09:09<mostly2>ive just installed debian for the first time... now what? what fun could i use it for? im a desktop end user and i want to try around some cool linux features
09:10<KangarooBox>No messages or anything. I can't even get the console to react.
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09:10<jm_>KangarooBox: did you check if there's anything displayed on console when it happens? make sure it doesn't ever blank
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09:11<KangarooBox>jm_: Yea, I tried that but when I came in this morning the console was blank. The monitor wase't idle but the screen was completely blank. I even tried to turn it off and on to see if I could see something.
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09:12<KangarooBox>jm_: Any idea on how to keep it from going blank?
09:12<piovasco>how can i compensate if my box doesn't have enoguh Ram memory for decent desktop behaviour? would increasing swap help for this?
09:12<mostly2>ive just installed debian for the first time... now what? what fun could i use it for? im a desktop end user and i want to try around some cool linux features
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09:12<jm_>KangarooBox: then console blanking was enabled - /etc/console-tools/config if console-tools is used, you can also chnage it manually with setterm command
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09:13<jm_>piovasco: you can add swap but it makes things slow
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09:15<mostly2>hi alephnull
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09:15<KangarooBox>jm_: OK, found it. Should I change BLANK_TIME as well as POWERDOWN_TIME to 0? Also, do I have to restart to enable it?
09:16<KangarooBox>jm_: Ah, according to this page ( I almost have it correct. :)
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09:18<jm_>KangarooBox: yup
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09:33<piovasco>ok thanks guys
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09:53<amol1>hi to all, libpam-pkcs11 is package which can be used for smart card based login to a system
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10:16<KangarooBox>OK, my Squeeze server just froze *AGAIN* and it's not giving me any clue as to whats going on!?! Grrr....
10:16<dr|z3d>KangarooBox: Tried checking your ram lately?
10:17<KangarooBox>dr|z3d: Yup, this is a completely different machine (I just swapped drives). So I don't think the hardware is at fault.
10:18<KangarooBox>The console is showing no messages, just blinking at me to login. I was tailing syslog at the time and it too doesn't report anything at all.
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10:19<KangarooBox>The box looks like its still up (blinken' lights and all) but its not responding to the console or any network traffic (ping)
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10:21<Hayate_Yagami>I just upgraded from squeeze to sid, and all hell broke loose during the upgrade.
10:21<Hayate_Yagami>Long story short, I had to reinstall X.
10:21<Hayate_Yagami>Now how do I get my touchpad's tap to click function back?
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10:21<ranix>Hayate_Yagami: calling sid an upgrade is hard to swallow
10:21<ranix>Hayate_Yagami: why are you using sid
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10:22<KangarooBox>Any hints of increasing the kernels log level so that I can find out why my box just freezes?
10:23<Hayate_Yagami>Really all I need to know is how to configure X to use the touchpad again.
10:23<KangarooBox>The only "weird" thing I have on the box is AOETools to support my Coriad box.
10:23<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
10:23<ottoshmidt>does anyone have installed skype on amd64?
10:23<ml|>KangarooBox: did started recently?
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10:24<KangarooBox>ml|: Yes, after a recent upgrade to squeeze. I was running Lenny (as testing) and just last week moved the box to squeeze.
10:25<ml|>try to back track what you did if anything before this started happening
10:25<KangarooBox>I thought it was a hardware failure of some sort (i.e. RAM) but after switching to a completly different box it is still happening.
10:25<ml|>hmm, lenny as testing?
10:26<KangarooBox>ml|: Yea, it was running Lenny from way back (back when it was testing :)
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10:26<ml|>ah, and had not upgraded in a while huh?
10:26<KangarooBox>ml|: This box is my psuedo development box so I like to keep it on the cutting edge but not quite the bleeding edge. :)
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10:27<KangarooBox>ml|: Yea, I just got around to updating it and thought that Squeeze was probably reasonable stable (for a Debian testing env anyway :)
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10:27<ml|>well, you should had updated lenny before moving to testing
10:28<KangarooBox>ml|: My strategy so far is to reboot with almost no services on and see if the box freezes. Then slowly add services (Postgres, Exim, etc.) until it stops responding.
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10:28<KangarooBox>ml|: Hmmm...I think I did do a final aptitude full-upgrade on it before moving to Squeeze. That's what I usually do...
10:29<ml|>yes, that might work good luck if not i see a fresh install and move to testing in your future
10:30<KangarooBox>ml|: ARRRGGGGG!!!
10:30<KangarooBox>ml|: Boy, that doesn't sound like a lot of fun. :(
10:31<ml|>did you have testing in your sources.list?
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10:31<KangarooBox>No, I specifically used lenny so that it didn't move to testing automagically.
10:32<ml|>hmm, if you update lenny first, things should be ok are you sure you did this before moving to testing?
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10:33<ml|>or simply your move to testing went bad somewhere, anyways good luck
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10:35<KangarooBox>ml|: At this point I'm not really sure of anything. :| I guess thats why they call it testing. *cry*
10:35<ml|>and yes it's no fun, just remember to backup the important stuff hint ... /etc
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10:36<KangarooBox>ml|: Yea, the good thing is that this is a server with hot swappable drives and I've already duped the boot drive. So I should be able to do a fresh install on a spare drive without too much hassle.
10:36<ml|>that's nice :)
10:37<ml|>but, try your idea first you never know ;)
10:37<KangarooBox>I'm already on it. Currently the machine is running no "extra" things. Lets see how long it lasts.
10:38<ml|>good luck
10:38<KangarooBox>Last time it was up for 35 minutes or so. Hopefully this wont take long. :P
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10:44<volta>hi there, got a problem with aptitude ( in lenny: after marking some old packages for remove i hit 'g', the next screen takes ages to build up (including much hdd usage) ... after hitting 'g' again, i get the following message and aptitude dies:
10:45<volta>fatal -> failed to fork. terminate called after throwing an instance of ´cwidget::util::assertionfailure´
10:45<volta>any idea on this?
10:45<wirberl>it's easy to have an X display at ctrl-alt-f7 managed by xdm. can i have, additionally, a separate X display at ctrl-alt-f8 managed by a separate instance of xdm?
10:47<weasel>sure, why not.
10:48<wirberl>would this need editing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
10:48<weasel>probably not
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10:53<stuckey_>Does anyone know why I can't install nvidia-glx-ia32? There's a bug report for it here ( which was closed, but I don't understand how it was resolved, or what I'm supposed to do to get the 32-bit compatibility library on my system.
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10:54<stuckey>wirberl: Sure, just change to the display you want and run xdm.
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11:00<dpkg>networks are a bunch of computers connected together
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11:01<ranix>thanks dpkg
11:01<ranix>what would we do without you
11:01<xover>guys what is the /etc/networks file for?
11:02<ranix>man 5 networks
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11:04<xover>i dont see a use of a network number alisa
11:06<xover>except naming my own subnet
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11:19<deepsky>Hello, I have a problem upgrading to lenny, is this the right place to ask?
11:21<deepsky>Well, I am trying an upgrade etch-->lenny following the steps in the lenny release notes. To keep it short, when I try "aptitude upgrade", it ends this way:
11:21<deepsky>open: 4; closed: 13884; defer: 17900; conflict: 98The following packages have unmet dependencies:
11:21<deepsky> python-gtkmozembed: Conflicts: python-gnome2-extras (< 2.19.1-1) but 2.14.3-1 is installed and it is kept back.
11:21<deepsky> python-gtkhtml2: Conflicts: python-gnome2-extras (< 2.19.1-1) but 2.14.3-1 is installed and it is kept back.
11:21<deepsky> pulseaudio-esound-compat: Conflicts: esound but 0.2.36-3 is installed.
11:21<deepsky>and now i'm stuck
11:23<themill>deepsky: can you pastebin the entire output of that run for us?
11:23<stuckey>Does anyone know why I can't install nvidia-glx-ia32? There's a bug report for it here ( which was closed, but I don't understand how it was resolved, or what I'm supposed to do to get the 32-bit compatibility library on my system.
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11:28<deepsky>themill: i have recorded the whole installation session with "script", but it seems that the file is full of escape characters etc., how can i pastebin that?
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11:29<dpkg>methinks pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; specially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit"
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11:32<deepsky>thanks. here it is
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11:33<wirberl>stuckey: that didn't work. but /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers contains a solution
11:33<wirberl>weasel: thx
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11:34<handjob>Hi gentleman. Can somebody tell me how visudo syntx should look like if i want to grant user privileges to specyfic file?
11:34<rafael>i dont know
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11:35<ml|>handjob: user-name ALL = /sbin/shutdown <--- will run shutdown but will prompt for a password
11:35<Maulkin>rafael: Do you have a Debian question?
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11:36<Maulkin>deepsky: I would suggest using apt-get
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11:36<rafael>oi pedro
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11:37<deepsky>maulkin, instead of aptitude? so apt-get upgrade? (I used to do that, but now the release notes say that aptitude is recommended)
11:37<handjob>ml|, Hi. So you knew what file i was talking about ; P. Can you tell me why in this " christian localhost=NOPASSWD:/usr/lib/xfce4/xfsm-shutdown-helper" example the 'localhost' is used? Thx.
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11:38<themill>deepsky: what was the state of this box prior to starting this upgrade? Plain etch? backports? non-debian packages (like
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11:41<deepsky>themill: etch with a backported kernel (2.6.21; at the time, the etch kernel was older did not recognize my system, which was pretty new). Then I installed a lot of CPAN stuff. Nothing else, except some lisp packages which I purged later.
11:41<handjob>OK nevermind. The "handjob ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/xfsm-shutdown-helper" worked like a charm.
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11:42<MaFiOsO[CrX]>how i change my email in xchat?
11:42<MaFiOsO[CrX]>can you help-me please?
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11:42<deepsky>themill: back then, i got it from here
11:43<MaFiOsO[CrX]>deepsky, can you help-me please
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11:43<themill>deepsky: that shouldn't be the issue then. It's unusual to have that many conflicts though.
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11:43<ml|>handjob: right no need for localhost
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11:44<MaFiOsO[CrX]>right, when you can help-me say please
11:45<ml|>handjob: man sudoers for examples
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11:45<MaFiOsO[CrX]>ml|, can you helpme please?
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11:46<Torsten_W>MaFiOsO[CrX], you know, here is #debian, not #xchat?
11:46<MaFiOsO[CrX]>and... ?
11:46<ml|>MaFiOsO[CrX]: no idea don't use xchat and ask then wait for help
11:46<MaFiOsO[CrX]>xchat is a software usually on distribuitions of linux
11:47<Torsten_W>xchat has it's own irc-channel
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11:47<MaFiOsO[CrX]>Torsten_W, stop please, if you wan't help-me don't f**k with me
11:47<themill>deepsky: did aptitude eventually give you a proposed solution to these issues? Your pastebin didn't show one.
11:47<Torsten_W>and btw, i don't find any relation between xchat and an e-mail adress
11:47<ml|>MaFiOsO[CrX]: /msg dpkg xchat
11:47<MaFiOsO[CrX]>thank u Torsten_W
11:47<MaFiOsO[CrX]>ml|, ok thanks
11:48<handjob>How can i veryfi what sound card (one intergrated + sb live) is currently used? Something in /proc/asound?
11:48<deepsky>themill: no, it just stops, all it says is on the pastebin
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11:48<ml|>alsamixer should tell you
11:48<themill>MaFiOsO[CrX]: please as questions about irc client in the channel for that client. Try #xchat on
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11:49<handjob>ml|, Thank you but there was another way i forgot. Maybe You remeber it?
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11:49<MaFiOsO[CrX]>themill, thank u very much i'm portuguese, so, i don't know very well about this server
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11:49<MaFiOsO[CrX]>so i asked
11:49<MaFiOsO[CrX]>no more
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11:50<themill>deepsky: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy ; aptitude search ~U"
11:51<handjob>Ok nevermind. Ok i am unable to solve it for a long time. How can i enable 5.1 speakers. I am total audio noob.
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11:52<ml|>handjob: maybe vim /proc/asound/cards is what you are looking for
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11:53<handjob>ml|, Yes thank you it was it. However i get strange output on debian. Still thank you very much.
11:53<ml|>handjob: alasamixer just make sure they are not muted[MM] and raise the levels
11:54<cahoot>editing /proc/asound/cards?
11:54<deepsky>apt-cache policy ==>
11:54<deepsky>aptitude search ~U ==>
11:55<handjob>ml|, Thanks. Is there any difference in calling alsamixer as a user or root?
11:55<ml|>don't know never have as root
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11:56<handjob>ml|, Ok sorry to bother you with silly questions but which guags are coresponding to speakers?
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11:57<handjob>ml|, Nevermind i will google my way out.
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11:57<ml|>on the bottom you should see Surround Center etc ...
11:57<handjob>ml|, Thank you ml.
11:57<themill>deepsky: nothing out of the ordinary there. The idea of the three-step upgrade procedure (aptitude install aptitude; aptitude upgrade; aptitude dist-upgrade) is to get around these sorts of problems. If you just "aptitude full-upgrade" does it manage to find a reasonable solution that doesn't involve removing far more packages than you want to?
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11:58<ml|>cahoot: nope ... 11:48:05 < handjob> How can i veryfi what sound card (one intergrated + sb live) is currently used? Something in /proc/asound? so i suggested he look at what /proc/asound/cards said
11:58<deepsky>themill so should i go ahead with "aptitude full-upgrade"?
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11:59<ml|>and using alsamixer ofcourse
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12:00<themill>deepsky: see what the solution is that aptitude is proposing before letting it do anything; it won't actually do the full-upgrade until you confirm that you're happy with it. Pastebin the entire output including the proposed solution so we can double check that it's not too confused.
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12:01<ml|>can also use the -s option
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12:06<themill>deepsky: what xorg driver do you use?
12:06<stuckey>Does anyone know why I can't install nvidia-glx-ia32? There's a bug report for it here ( which was closed, but I don't understand how it was resolved, or what I'm supposed to do to get the 32-bit compatibility library on my system.
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12:07<themill>stuckey: /msg dpkg bat ; /msg dpkg doesn't work ; you need to provide real information about what it is you've tried to do and how it's not working for anyone to have a chance of helping you.
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12:08<deepsky>themill: i am not sure if it's the right place to find it out, but /etc/X11/xorg.conf says:
12:08<deepsky>Section "Device"
12:08<deepsky> Identifier "nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200 LE]"
12:08<deepsky> Driver "nv"
12:08<deepsky> BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
12:08<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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12:08<stuckey>hey... I think it's fixed
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12:10<themill>deepsky: the "nv" driver is what you're using. The only problem that I can see with aptitude's proposed solution, then, is that it's planning to remove xserver-xorg-video-nv. Try "aptitude full-upgrade xserver-xorg-video-nv+" (pastebin it again if you want us to check; yes the + at the end is intentional)
12:10<ml|>stuckey: maybe share the fix and/or waht you did, it might help someone else
12:12*themill predicts that the "fix" was an "aptitude update".
12:15<themill>deepsky: yeah, that looks fine. There are a few packages that it's planning to remove that you might actually want, but at this stage, the easiest thing for you to do is to note down the pacakges that are in the "removed" section and if at some stage you find that you're missing something reinstall some of them. Most of the packages are being removed because they don't exist in lenny. Some are being removed because aptitude is still mildly confused.
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12:16<ml|>heh "mildly confused" ;)
12:16<deepsky>ok i go then
12:17<themill>good luck!
12:17*themill hides
12:17*deepsky jumps
12:18<ml|>good luck deepsky
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12:22<nino>não consigo entrar na internet
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12:22<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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12:30<dpkg>i guess ca is a Certificate Authroity. It's required when browsers check your SSL certs with the CA's digital signature. See also SSL, or dog in Mallorquí.... Canada, or see apache rootca
12:31<dpkg>from memory, cat is a program in Unix and Unix-like operating systems that concatenates the contents of files, reading from a list of files and/or standard input in sequence and writing their contents in order to standard output. cat takes the list of files as arguments but also interprets the argument "-" as standard input. See also <more> <less> <dog>
12:31<ml|>mezod: /msg dpkg selftell
12:31<mezod>aha sory :P
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12:37<ayarter>Hey guys. Quick Q. My xorg can't find my video card because my machine uses PCI domains.
12:37<ayarter>When I install sid, it works just fine.
12:37<ayarter>Does the testing branch also support PCI domains, or is it just sid atm?
12:38<xeon-enouf>hrm, pci domains eh? ask #debian-x perhaps
12:38<xeon-enouf>judd: versions xserver-xorg-core
12:38<judd>xeon-enouf: xserver-xorg-core -- etch: 2:1.1.1-21etch5 etch-security: 2:1.1.1-21etch5 lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny1 squeeze: 2:1.4.2-11 sid: 2:1.6.3-1+b1
12:39<xeon-enouf>read the changelogs too
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12:42<ayarter>awesome. thanks.
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12:48<remsss>bonjour a tou
12:48<remsss>jai le bouton shift qui marche plus
12:48<remsss>va savori pàourquoi
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12:53<wekt>how can the mapping of scsi device numbers to /dev/ devices be discovered?
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13:02<MyWifeIs19>Hello, I am trying to mount a USB harddrive as a root. mount /dev/sdb2 /media/backup gives me wrong fs type. tried with -t jfs option, but same thing. dmesg does not show any error msg.... what to do?
13:03<MyWifeIs19>also tried to reboot but same thing
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13:03<cahoot>and what type of filesystem is on the device?
13:04<MyWifeIs19>when i try cfdist /dev/sdb it can see the partition too
13:05<MyWifeIs19>i meant cfdisk
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13:08<Gold24>MyWifeIs19: did you try an fsck ?
13:08<wekt>MyWifeIs19: try file -s /dev/sdb2
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13:11<MyWifeIs19>says writable, no read permissin
13:11<MyWifeIs19>btw, it changed from sdb to sdf
13:13<dbast>some messages in dmesg from trying to mount ...?
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13:14<MyWifeIs19>hmmm now it has disappeared
13:15<dbast>sounds like broken
13:15<MyWifeIs19>there maybe too many connections.. I am using a usb extension cable and a hub,,,,
13:16<bja>MyWifeIs19: try simplifying the hardware connection and try again
13:16<MyWifeIs19>yup , and i will start from cold boot... thanks
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13:33<MyWifeIs19>Hello again. still the same problem. I am able to create an additional partition on the drive and mount it, hardware problem... it seems not
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13:34<MyWifeIs19>now when i try file -s /dev/sda2, it says /dev/sda2 : data
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13:35<bja>MyWifeIs19: what kernel version do you have?
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13:36<MyWifeIs19>uname -a gives me "Linux earthquake 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Wed May 13 15:37:46 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
13:36<roelof>Hello, Does anyone know where to find tint2 for lenny ???
13:36<ranix>MyWifeIs19: what is on the usb drive?
13:36<ranix>what fs type
13:37<ranix>MyWifeIs19: do you have jfs?
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13:37<ranix>as in, jfsutils is installed?
13:37<MyWifeIs19>I was able to access it about a month ago....
13:37<ranix>dpkg 0l | grep jfs
13:37<dpkg>no idea, ranix
13:38<ml|>judd: versions tint2
13:38<judd>ml|: tint2 -- sid: 0.7-1 squeeze: 0.7-1
13:38<ranix>not 0l
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13:38<MyWifeIs19>it is installed
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13:38<ranix>your flash device is fubar
13:38<MyWifeIs19>just tried aptitude install jfsutil and it installed 0 pkg
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13:38<roelof>chips, then I have to upgrade to sqeeuze
13:39<bja>judd: versions jfsutils
13:39<judd>bja: jfsutils -- etch: 1.1.11-1 lenny: 1.1.12-2 sid: 1.1.12-2 squeeze: 1.1.12-2
13:39<roelof>is there a manual for upgrading to unstable ?
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13:39<MyWifeIs19>no it;'s not broken.... I was able to create a small partion on the drive and use it
13:39<ml|>roelof: did you check
13:39<ranix>MyWifeIs19: that does not equal not broken
13:40<ranix>you could have a corrupt journal on the second partition
13:40<roelof>nope,I just installed debian and learning it
13:40<bja>MyWifeIs19: did you missed the s on your post on did you missed it on the install process?
13:40<ml|>roelof: /msg dpkg bpo
13:40<ml|>roelof: /msg dpkg sid
13:40<ranix>ml|: dpkg, tell roelof about saves a step and is no less clutter
13:41<ml|>ranix: this way roelof will learn to use dpkg
13:41<MyWifeIs19>it was jfsutils it was my lousy typing
13:42<chealer>!tell roelof about iyhtays
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13:43<bja>MyWifeIs19: dpkg -S jfsutils should then give you some output, just to check that you do have jfsutils
13:43<ranix>bja: he did a dpkg -i | grep so it should be there
13:43<ranix>I think it's pretty clearly a bad fs
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13:44<MyWifeIs19>very interesting that dpkg command shows only files in /usr/share/doc/jfsutils
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13:45<roelof>oke, tint or tint2 cannot be find on backports
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13:45<MyWifeIs19>but dpkg -L shows some files in /sbin
13:45<ml|>roelof: /msg dpkg ssb and /msg dpkg selftell
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13:46<ranix>MyWifeIs19: you can try fscking that partition to try to recover it
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13:48<bja>ranix: MyWifeIs19 needs jfsutils to fsck it
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13:48<ranix>he has it, bja
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13:48<MyWifeIs19>ranix: fsck did not seemed to do anything... but now I can mount!!
13:48<ranix>happy to help, MyWifeIs19
13:49<roelof>oke, everyone thanks for the help and have a good evening
13:49<ranix>hopefully your wife ages like a fine wine
13:49<bja>!congratulate MyWifeIs19
13:49<dpkg>Good show MyWifeIs19, you did it!
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13:49<jarco>can i get help here for server problems?
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13:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
13:50<MyWifeIs19>thanks guys ... is this b/c I am using this device only once a month????
13:50<ranix>jarco: ask and we'll tell you if it's offtopic
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13:51<jarco>Well i have a debian server 5.x and i installed apache and mysql on it using webmin. Now when i try to install joomla it sais there is mysql support. How to solve this?
13:51<dpkg>webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
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13:51<jarco>but still
13:52<jarco>when i set the settings manually it also do not work
13:52<jarco>i installed mysql and apache using apt also
13:52<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
13:52<ranix>jarco: "when i try to install joomla it sais there is mysql support" can you rephrase this portion of your question
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13:54<jarco>Well. I Unpacked the joomla files in the vhosts directory. The first screen with th language files comes up. Also the second screen comes. There it sais that mysql is not present on the server. I assume i have tell apache somehow that mysql is installed?
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13:57<ranix>jarco: did you install mysql via webmin, or via the debian package?
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13:58<jarco>i removed the webmin files and then uset : apt-get install mysql-server
13:58<ranix>that doesn't answer my question
13:58<ranix>did you originally install mysql via webmin?
13:59<jarco>The first time I installed it using webmin.
13:59<ranix>OK. you probably have junk left over. If I were you, I would attmempt to figure out how Webmin installed mysql in the first place and purge it completely (same with Apache) before attempting to reinstall the debian packages
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14:00<ranix>then you can either read the scripts provided by Joomla for its install process and correct them to work with Debian, or ask the Joomla developers directly
14:00<jarco>webmin also used apt to install it.
14:00<ranix>then, hopefully, you should be ok
14:01<jarco>the problem is not in joomla. The problem also occurs in other scripts and websites on the server.
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14:01<ranix>jarco: what version of Debian are you running
14:01<jarco>the problem Is that there seems to be no connection between apache and mysql.
14:01<ranix>jarco: cat /etc/debian_version
14:01<ranix>jarco: there is no connection between apache and mysql
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14:02<ranix>My theory is that your version was lenny/sid when lenny was testing
14:03<ranix>review /etc/apt/sources.list for consistency and dist-upgrade
14:03<jarco>deb lenny main
14:03<jarco>deb lenny/updates main
14:03<jarco>deb-src lenny/updates main
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14:04<ranix>looks good, update and dist-upgrade
14:04<jarco>W: GPG error: lenny/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B
14:04<jarco>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
14:04<jarco>is this a problem?
14:05<ranix>you want debian-archive-keyring I think, unless your system is rooted
14:05<ranix>which it may be after webmin
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14:05<ranix>might want to run chkrootkit and rkhunter
14:06<deepsky>themill are you still there?
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14:08<jarco>I am doing the dist upgrade now. But Am I understanding you correctly when you say that the version of debian installed is an experimental version?
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14:12<themill>deepsky: not really -- I'm literally just packing up to go home.
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14:13<deepsky>themill me too, I'll say thank you more profusely tomorrow then. good night!
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14:15<themill>deepsky: hehe. I take it that you're all sorted out then now
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14:56<phorce1>I got dropped a few days ago aparrently
14:58<marcOS>can someone help me with the daily image ?
14:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:01<marcOS>im using eeepc 1005ha model and mim having problems installing debian...
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15:02<marcOS>wifi and ethernet are not sopported
15:02<marcOS>so i thought using a pensrive to install
15:03<ml|>marcOS: for eeepc related stuff try in #debian-eeepc or wait here for help
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15:03<marcOS>i have no many answers in debian-eeepc...
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15:09<ml|>marcOS: what debian installer are you using?
15:10<jpinx>marcOS: you were told to use the daily to get an installer that'll work on your eeepc
15:10<stuckey>Anyone know what the best way is to print stuff on Avery labels? Like the ones that you print out and stick on to cds...
15:11<marcOS>yes, but i dont know what to do when im in
15:11<marcOS>what should i copy to my pen drive ?
15:12<jpinx>the boot and vmlinuz
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15:12<ml|>marcOS: did you read the debian install guide
15:13<marcOS>also i used the wiki, and installation did not find the iso image...
15:13<tumbeliina>stuckey, i use inkscape and copy-paste
15:13<ml|>marcOS: look in hd-media/ but you should read the debian install guide
15:14<ml|>marcOS: /msg dpkg usb install
15:14<stuckey>tumbeliina: easy to do?
15:14<tumbeliina>i think so
15:15<tumbeliina>you have to do only one and then copy-paste it as many you need
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15:16<tumbeliina>in right measure the first
15:16<stuckey>tumbeliina: do you have any templates for an avery l6043? It's the one with two cd on it... vertically.
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15:17<tumbeliina>sorry, no
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15:17<tumbeliina>mainly i have do bussines cards
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15:21<stuckey>I just noticed that the cable to my cdrom device was loose... then it came off when I tried to push it back in. wodim doesn't detect any cdroms. Will I have to restart to get it to see it or is there something else I should do?
15:22<adb>restart ..
15:23<stuckey>i got to restart?
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15:24<stuckey>no other way?
15:24<ml|>might try a logout back in, but seems a restart is needed
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15:25<chiku>about ip addr add dev eth0, should I need add broadcast setting?
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15:25<chiku>it works without setting brd
15:26<chiku>but the ouput of 'ip a' not same
15:26<chiku>oups: ip addr add dev eth0
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15:28<stuckey>Who told me I had to restart?
15:29<ml|>stuckey: logout back in worked?
15:30<stuckey>restart worked
15:30<ml|>ah right :)
15:31<stuckey>When I want to check md5sum on a cdrom, do I just do "md5sum /dev/cdrom1" or ?
15:31<adb> /media/cdrom1
15:32<adb> /media/cdrom0 usually
15:32<stuckey>Says "it's a directory"
15:32<stuckey>when I do /dev/cdrom1, I get a mismatch.
15:32<ml|>md5sum /dev/cdrom
15:32<stuckey>ml|: I've got /dev/cdrom1
15:33<ml|>md5sum /dev/cdrom /path/to/iso
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15:34<ml|>use that then, do you have more than one cdrom?
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15:34<stuckey>ml|: No just one. But I get a mismatch when I use that.
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15:35<ml|>try asking dpkg about check iso or something similar i forget now
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15:36<ml|> it's /msg dpkg check iso image
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15:40<stuckey>hmm... I don't understand the example it gives.
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15:41<ml|>stuckey: i have similar issues here, i was told to check connection to cdrom, but i still get that error when verifying cd's, also searched for a solution and found nothing useful, but they all work fine so i have left it as is for now
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15:42<stuckey>I was able to do this before, and get the same numbers.
15:42<ml|>stuckey: compare the output of .iso to the one from cdrom
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15:43<shadow>why does gcc-4.4-source depend on autoconf2.59 which has been removed?
15:43<ml|>well if both .iso and cdrom match, it means they are both the same
15:44<stuckey>but why can't we do a md5sum on the cd in the cdrom?
15:44<rimvis>how install xen on debian?
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15:45<ml|>rimvis: try /msg dpkg xen
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15:46<chealer>shadow: removed from what?
15:46<rimvis>mll doesn't work msg dpkg xen
15:46<adb>stuckey: they has , all md5sum are in md5sum.txt
15:46<shadow>chealer: autoconf2.59 marked 'obsolete' in .deb repository
15:47<shadow>chealer: thus my system wants to reject gcc-4.4-souce due to not being able to install autoconf2.59
15:47<ml|>rimvis: just like i did
15:47<rimvis>just doens't install xen
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15:47<chealer>shadow: where do you see that mark?
15:48<ml|>it's not to install, it's for here for you to get more info
15:48<ml|>in this channel in your irc client
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15:48<rimvis>yes i saw no
15:49<ml|>rimvis: ?
15:49<rimvis>i get info that i must search in debian-xen info
15:49<ml|>read it again
15:50<chealer>shadow: from what do you think autoconf2.59 was removed? being marked as obsolete does not imply being removed.
15:51<shadow>chealer: why does gcc-4.4-source require an obsolete version then?
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15:54<chealer>shadow: ask the channel
15:55<shadow>chealer: ok, I will :)
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16:17<rkv>hi, isn't it somehow possible to install debian by copying a couple of files from the iso to a local partition and then booting the installer via grub ? ISTR i've done something like that before ...
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16:19<chiku>how I can create 1 partition from all my hard drive without going into fdisk interface?
16:19<chiku>just with 1 line command
16:19<ml|>rkv: have you looked in debian install guide?
16:20<rkv>i've looked several places, mostly through google though ... have i really missed the obvious ?
16:21<ml|>dpkg: install guide
16:21<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.2) can be found at and for Etch (4.0r8) at . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
16:21<chiku>with fdisk you need alway going into the interface?
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16:21<ml|>rkv: btw, i don't know if that is possible, but if it's look at the debian install guide
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16:22<rkv>ml|: it's right there, i'm a moron. it was a bit further down than i've read. well, thanks :D
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16:23<ml|>rkv: also read the debian reference /msg dpkg reference
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16:25<rkv>ml|: i type that into my irc client ?
16:25<|kardan|>who can help me with sed? i want to get the package from the line given by apt-file: 'libxinerama1: /usr/lib/' > 'libxinerama1'
16:26<ml|>then look for a window or tab named dpkg
16:26<rkv>ml|: doesn't give me anything, i'm a bit of an irc noob though
16:26<|kardan|>(maybe I am faster with perl)
16:27<ml|>rkv: are you sure?
16:27<chiku><bja> gparted <-- really?
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16:28<ml|>chiku: /msg dpkg gparted
16:28<rkv>ml|: got it now ... as i said, irc noob :)
16:28<chiku>gparted is GUI partitionner?
16:28<ml|>rkv: ask dpkg about irc ;)
16:28<chiku>I want to create parition with 1 command
16:29<chiku>to put inside scirpt
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16:29<rkv>ml|: i like that dpkg guy !
16:29<ml|>is that even possible?
16:29<ml|>rkv: :)
16:30<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
16:30<|kardan|>mhh, this prints nothing: cat pckgs | perl -e "while(<STDIN>){print $1 if (/^(.+):/)}"
16:30<ml|>bja: heh
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16:33<ml|>rkv: also when dpkg gives the info, anything in <> you can ask dpkg about
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16:34<dpkg>Ah... I should get myself a beamer... Any sugar daddies around?
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16:35<TR181b5>Evening All (from BE). Would you please point me where (if exists) i can find the exact blathering thrown to my screen from the time my computer leaves GRUB till i got the gdm login prompt (i am on Desbian squeeze - kernel 2.6.30-1-686). Thanks!
16:35<TR181b5>I assumed it would be in /var/log but can't find it
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16:35<phorce1>TR181b5: 'dmesg' will give you a lot of it
16:35<ml|> /var/log/kern.log or dmesg
16:36<TR181b5>will try it now. Thanks guys!
16:36<phorce1>TR181b5: 'dmesg|less' actually. It's more than a screenful
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16:36<rkv>ml|: that's really neat, thanks for the info !
16:36<ml|>stuckey: dpkg new sugar daddy? ;)
16:37<ml|>rkv: np dpkg is great :)
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16:37<ml|>thank dondelelcaro
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16:41<bja>TR181b5: /var/log/syslog should have the info you are looking
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16:42<TR181b5>Hi - me again. I am looking at both dmesg and kernel.log but i can't find what i am looking for. In fact when i boot, right before the init.d starts the gdm service, i see a couple of red "failed" but i cannot find them in the dmesg
16:42<TR181b5>or at least not as such
16:42<TR181b5>ok bja, will have a look
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16:45<stuckey>I also see this red failed thing...
16:46<TR181b5>yeah - it's nothing to be worried about i guess coz the system is damn stable, but still would like to understand what is happening... maybe i'll tape the boot sequence and then watch it in slow motion :-)
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16:51<KangarooBox>Where can I find a torrent for a stable squeeze build
16:51<dbast>there is no stable squeeze ...
16:51<jpinx>and squeeze is not stable
16:52<KangarooBox>Are all the Squeeze torrnets based on daily builds?
16:52<KangarooBox>Or is there a weekly "stable"build?
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16:52<jpinx>stable is lenny
16:52<KangarooBox>Yes, I know Squeeze is testing, but some builds are better than others.
16:52<jpinx>from your questions - you should be installing lenny :p
16:52<KangarooBox>Hmm... I just tried the latest netinst and it wont get past the Network config step. *blah*
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16:53<KangarooBox>OK, I'm getting the picture...
16:53<KangarooBox>ml|: BTW: I'
16:53<ml|>or ...
16:54<KangarooBox>ml|: BTW: I'm reinstalling Squeeze on my Dell1650. Everything else has been changed (including the hard drive) and it's still freezing. :(
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16:54<ml|>but like others have said lenny install is better unless it has issues for the hardware you are using
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16:55<KangarooBox>Yea, but Debian stable gets soooo stale between releases...
16:55<ml|>KangarooBox: that sucks, so it's some weird harware issue?
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16:56<ml|>what i mean is install lenny then upgrade to testing
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16:56<KangarooBox>ml|: No, I don't think its hardware as everything has been changed except the bits on the drive.
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16:56<KangarooBox>Ahh, install Lenny, get it up-to-date, and then convert to Squeeze. I get it.
16:58<KangarooBox>I'm on it. Downloading Lenny as I type...
16:58<KangarooBox>Thanks for all the great help! IRC is da bomb. :)
16:59<ml|>KangarooBox: what do you mean .... Everything else has been changed (including the hard drive) and it's still freezing. :(
16:59<ml|>ok, l8r
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17:02<ml|>i know this is offtopic, but anyone interested in linux foundation checkout floss weekly _now_
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17:03<KangarooBox>ml|: Yes, everything has been changed and it's still freezing. Once when I was typing into the console.
17:04<ml|>with a fresh install? and if so with what iso?
17:04<KangarooBox>ml|: Early on I duped the boot drive with ddrescue and thats how I was able to change everything including the drive. :)
17:04<KangarooBox>ml|: Nope, not a fresh install. I'm downloading the latest Lenny right now and it's got an hour left.
17:05<ml|>ah, fresh install and move to testing should fix your issues
17:05<KangarooBox>So, it looks like I'll be in early in the morning to kick my server into Lenny and then slap it with a bit of Squeeze.
17:05<KangarooBox>>I HOPE SO<
17:05<ml|>good luck
17:05<KangarooBox>L8r (again)
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17:21<bja>What distro, configuration, package ,task manager would you recommend to set up computer cluster?
17:22<bja>For parallel processing
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17:24<tmc>how long have u been using linux
17:24<bja>not long enough
17:25<tmc>is there ever enough
17:25<ml|>no ;)
17:25<tmc>ive heard win 7 is pretty good
17:26<bja>tmc: i tried to install it a few times and i usually run into trouble
17:26<ml|>tmc: stay on topic here, if you want to talk about that j /#debian-offtopic
17:26<ml|> /j #debian-offtopic
17:26<bja>tmc: ml| is right
17:27<tmc>ive been thinking to move to deb from ubuntu, wat u think
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17:27<ml|>ask in #ubuntu on freenode ;)
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17:28<tmc>ive asked, but i want the other side
17:28<bja>tmc: although your comment is more on the line of the topic, I invite you to continue our conversation on #debian-offtopic and leave the chanel for more technical assistance
17:28<ml|>oh, duh to debian?
17:29<ml|>yes #debian-offtopic
17:29<tmc>lol sorry
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17:30<ml|>tmc: we are waiting ;)
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17:31<tmc>how did u install flash
17:31<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
17:31<ml|> /msg dpkg adobe flash
17:32<ml|>tmc: ^^
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18:01<dreamvirus>yo bro
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18:01<mangospork>Hey, I can't get my external hard drive to mount. :/
18:02<mangospork>In Debian.
18:02<mangospork>It's FAT32
18:02<mangospork>and when it does mount
18:02<mangospork>It gets all these errors
18:02<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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18:03<jpinx>mangospork: man mount
18:03<jpinx>first do fdisk -l and find out where the device is
18:03<mangospork>It doesn't even come up, and in dmesg it freaks out.
18:03<jpinx>broken device?
18:03<mangospork>It "Should" mount to /dev/sdc1. I don't know
18:03<mangospork>I think it's the filesystem
18:04<jpinx>is it usb?
18:04<jpinx>what does dmesg say when you plug it in?
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18:05<mangospork>Like this:
18:05<mangospork>After the FAT Directory errors.
18:07<jpinx>and then what does fdisk -l say?
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18:07<jpinx>it looks like it should be in /dev/sdd
18:07<mangospork>No, that was before.
18:07<mangospork>I know it says it "should"
18:07<mangospork>but it never is.
18:08<jpinx>before what?
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18:08<jpinx>mangospork: you can't be helped if you are vague ;)
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18:09<jpinx>mangospork: unplug it, wait, plug it in, paste the output of dmesg and fdisk -l
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18:11<dreamvirus>Hellow i'm running Mepis distro...and i would like to use my Microsoft LifeCam VX-1000 but i dont even get any response when i plug it in
18:12<dreamvirus>Hellow i'm running Mepis distro...and i would like to use my Microsoft LifeCam VX-1000 but i dont even get any response when i plug it in
18:12<dreamvirus>can anyone give me a sujestion?
18:12<dpkg>methinks mepis is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system that uses KDE and includes NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. See and/or visit #mepis on and ask me about <Based On Debian>.
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18:17<mangospo1k>Sorry, what'd you say? My machine just died. I'm on my laptop.
18:18<mangospo1k>Who was it that was helping me with my external? O.o
18:18<ml|>18:08:43 < jpinx> mangospork: you can't be helped if you are vague ;)
18:18<ml|>18:09:32 < jpinx> mangospork: unplug it, wait, plug it in, paste the output of dmesg and fdisk -l
18:18<mangospo1k>Well I'm rebooting anyways, so. Give me a sec
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18:19<mangospo1k>I'm thinking about changing the filesystem anyways, from FAT32 to maybe EXT3 ?
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18:19<ml|>only need it for linux?
18:19<mangospo1k>I'm still here fyi.
18:19<mangospo1k>Well, I could use that one driver ?
18:19<mangospo1k>If I needed to use it in windows.
18:20<mangospo1k>NTFS always just hates me.
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18:20<ml|>there is but i have no experience with that
18:20<ml|>but if you mainly use it in linux ext3 would better
18:21<mangospo1k>1 sec
18:21<mangospo1k>I'll hop on irc on my machine, it's back up
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18:23<mangospork>That's the dmesg, when I don't get it working. :/
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18:25<mangospork>You think it maters if I've never updated my bios ?
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18:26<mangospork>I'm on an ASUS P5QL-CM
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18:28<blood>is there anyway i can delay the shutdown order to shutdown my computer in like 2 hours ?
18:28<mangospork>Got any ideas ml| ? Or jpinx
18:28<mangospork>yes blood.
18:28<ml|>man shutdown
18:28<blood>cron ?
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18:29<mangospork>I'd just do, sleep something | init 0
18:29<ml|>mangospork: nope sorry
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18:29<blood>init 0 = shutdown
18:29<blood>how do i delay the order ?
18:29<mangospork>sleep amountofseconds | init 0
18:29<Knorrie>shutdown -t 3600 <- an hour
18:29<blood>ok thanks
18:29<ml|>man shutdown
18:29<blood>knorrie, thanks, i can calculate it myself :D
18:30*Knorrie just read man shutdown
18:30<Knorrie>it's all in there
18:30<blood>ml, ill be back tomorrow to get my deb fixed up :)
18:30<ml|>hehe :)
18:30<Knorrie>ml|: :)
18:30<blood>man shutdown ?
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18:30<blood>man as in manual ?
18:31<ml|>blood: sorry i forget
18:31<blood>blood = squelos
18:31<blood>in case i changed my nick since :p
18:31<blood>cyas tomorrow guyz !
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18:31<blood>im off to bed.
18:31<ml|>ok, but still forgot what you mean
18:32<blood>oh, well remember about the iceweasel and the time it takes to boot ?
18:32<ml|>sort of
18:32<ml|>readahead for boot
18:32<ml|>iceweasel forgot
18:33<ml|>ah, did you try new empty profile?
18:33<ml|>blood: ^^
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18:33<blood>nah not yet, didnt get the time
18:33<ml|>ok, gn
18:34<mangospo1k>God, I don't understand why this is happening to me.
18:34<mangospo1k>Everything was fine in gentoo.
18:34<mangospo1k>When I switched to debian, sh*t hit the fan.
18:34<mangospo1k>Sounds like it should be the other way around, but I mean...
18:34<ml|>mangospork: was it ever working?
18:34<ml|>in debian
18:34<mangospo1k>Just when I installed debian, does it work anymore?
18:34<mangospo1k>Maybe once?
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18:35<ml|>well, you don't know?
18:35<mangospo1k>No, it never worked.
18:35<groulder>how do i disable inetd from starting on startup in debian?
18:35<groulder>anyone know?
18:36<mangospo1k>wait no
18:36<mangospo1k>rc-update isn't on debian ?
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18:36<blood>damn, i did a shutdown 3600
18:36<blood>its actually 3600minuts ...
18:36<groulder>no packages called rc-init or rc-update
18:36<blood>how can i stop it ?
18:36<mangospo1k>groulder: Sorry, used to gentoo.
18:37<mangospo1k>ml| : =[
18:37<blood>i got it :p
18:37<mangospo1k>ml| : Are there any packages, for fat32 filesystems I could test and grab ?
18:38<mangospo1k>Do I need fusefat ?
18:38<dpkg>from memory, update-rc.d is used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services. Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process. This is NOT a tool users should invoke directly (see man page); ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf> or <bum> instead.
18:38<blood>Broadcast message from root@debian (pts/2) (Thu Sep 3 00:39:01 2009):
18:38<blood>The system is going DOWN to maintenance mode in 60 minutes!
18:38<blood>is this ok ?
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18:39<ml|>mangospo1k: no idea, but i use usbmount /msg dpkg usbmount
18:41<mangospo1k>I just messged him, it says it doesn't do vfat by default ?
18:41<ml|>and works fine with my sansa c250
18:41<mangospo1k>should I reboot?
18:41<ml|>right you need to edit /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf
18:41<ml|>after installing it
18:42<ml|>/usr/share/doc/usbmount/ for more info
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18:43<mangospo1k>I'm rebooting
18:43<mangospo1k>with that all installed.
18:43<ml|>ok good luck
18:43<mangospo1k>at grub
18:43<mangospo1k>brb getting a soda
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18:45<mangospo1k>Is anyone in here on KDE 4.3.0 ?
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18:47<mangospo1k>okay, so it mounted.
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18:47<mangospo1k>But it's not like working working
18:47<mangospo1k>like it slows down my computer.
18:47<ml|>maybe a hardware issue?
18:47<mangospo1k>What do you mean?
18:48<mangospo1k>what part of the hardware?
18:48<mangospo1k>my mobo ? or what?
18:48<ml|>usb case, connection or even harddrive
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18:49<mangospo1k>Well, it's scanning my music on amarok.
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18:51<mangospo1k>I'll show you my dmesg
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18:51<mangospo1k>Should I maybe update fuse or something?
18:52<mangospo1k>Because it's not a hardware issue, this never ever ever ever happened in any other distro.
18:52<mangospo1k>And nothing happened to the drive.
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18:53<ml|>mangospo1k: did you edit /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf for fat?
18:54<mangospo1k>yeah, vfat
18:54<mangospo1k>It was in there
18:54<ml|>ok, i have no idea sorry, wait for someone to help then
18:55<ml|>but, do you see at the end of dmesg?
18:55<mangospo1k>What about it
18:56<ml|>VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sdc1.
18:56<mangospo1k>It's not ext3.
18:57<ml|>right why i asked before is you edit usbmount.conf
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19:41<jon_>hey guys, can anybody here help me out with enabling open gl hardware acceleration?
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19:41<abrotman>with which card, using which drivers?
19:42<jon_>with an intel GMA 900 integrated graphics card
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19:42<jon_>and i have drivers that work, but i can't get hardware acceleration working, so i have no OpenGL support
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19:43<jon_>In my system summary, it lists the OpenGL Renderer as unknown
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19:54<chealer>jon_: just ask your question
19:54<jon_>Hey guys, can anybody help me enable hardware graphics acceleration and OpenGL support on Debian with an Intel GMA 900? I understand that the drivers in question are non-free, and can't seem to get a hold of them through synaptic
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19:55<jon_>I found this website that seems to have my drivers, but I can't get the source to compile
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20:22<jon_>is anybody in this room available to help me with a Debian driver problem?
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20:29<chealer>jon_: it depends on the problem. you'd better ask your actual question.
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20:31<jon_>I found a driver for my Intel GMA 900 at this website
20:32<jon_>I downloaded the gz file, extracted it, and ran
20:32<jon_>the installer failed, with these errors:
20:33<jon_>ERROR: AGPGART module did not compile
20:33<jon_>ERROR: Kernel modules did not compile
20:33<jon_>so then it tells me to check the file dri.log for more information
20:34<jon_>so in the log file, it claims that the make command wasn't found on lines 1312 and 1326
20:35<adb> /msg dpkg b-e
20:36<jon_>I have both GCC and automake installed on this system... but I can't get this driver to build
20:36<jon_>and since Debian won't allow non-free software in their repos, I can't find this driver through synaptic, unless im looking incorrectly
20:36<jon_>any ideas?
20:38<adb>jon_: don't pm me , please
20:38<jon_>my apologies adb
20:39<chealer>jon_: if you don't mind, why do you want that driver?
20:39<jon_>chealer: I would like the driver, because I want to enable hardware acceleration on my system
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20:39<jon_>I can use the system as is right now, but I have no OpenGL support
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20:40<jon_>I've been googling frantically, but everything seems to point to either that driver page, or to this page:
20:42<chealer>jon_: what makes this driver non-free?
20:42<jon_>chealer: to be honest, I really don't know
20:42<jon_>I'm a linux user as of two days ago, and I've never set up a system on my own before
20:43<abrotman>wait .. why do you need opengl support ?
20:43<jon_>so far, I've gotten everything working without too many problems, but this one is really confusing me
20:43<chealer>jon_: then why did you write you understood the driver was non-free?
20:44<jon_>chealer: I got that idea from the Debian help pages. they have a section talking about installing drivers for video cards, and under my card, it claims that if I want hardware acceleration, I need to use a non-free driver
20:44<chealer>jon_: which exact page are you referring to?
20:44<jon_>seeing as I don't have hardware support, but have a working video card, I assumed that was the issue
20:44<jon_>chealer: hang on one second and I'll grab it
20:45<jon_>abrotman: It's really the principle of the thing. I'm participating in a project with a group of guys who have never run linux before. our goal is to get linux system up and running as our primary machines for the next four months. Check us out at
20:46<abrotman>jon_: while i love debian, have you tried another distro that allows more non-free junk in the distro ?
20:46<SuperMIguel>jon_, may be a good idea to try ubuntu :)
20:46<SuperMIguel>abrotman, +1
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20:46<SuperMIguel>or even mint
20:47<abrotman>that page seems out of date
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20:47<jon_>abrotman: The point of using Debian was to get a little bit of a challenge. I don't want a walk in the park experience here
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20:48<chealer>jon_: and what part of that page makes you believe that GMA900 needs a non-free driver?
20:48<SuperMIguel>jon_, no one said u will with ubutu :P
20:48<abrotman>jon_: okay, i was just more getting at "Does it work at all?"
20:48<abrotman>!tell SuperMIguel about u
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20:49<jon_>abrotman: right now, i am using the debian machine. I have a display, and i'm happy with my resolution, but I have no OpenGL support, and no hardware acceleration. I'm simply trying to get everything up and running
20:49<jon_>chealer: the first paragraph says that sometimes cards have native support (mine does, because it just works), but implies that for 3D acceleration, you often need to have proprietary drivers
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20:50<abrotman>that page is not up to date
20:50<jon_>I don't have 3D acceleration, so my thought process has lead me to believe that I need these proprietary drives
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20:50<jon_>abrotman: so what is the truth of the matter?
20:50<chealer>jon_: "often" is different from "always"
20:50<abrotman>jon_: what is your chipset?
20:50<abrotman>jon_: and what is `lspci -nn | grep VGA` ?
20:51<chealer>jon_: I see. well, that's an error, you don't need non-free drivers
20:51<chealer>abrotman: [19:54:34] <jon_> Hey guys, can anybody help me enable hardware graphics acceleration and OpenGL support on Debian with an Intel GMA 900? I understand that the drivers in question are non-free, and can't seem to get a hold of them through synaptic
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20:52<jon_>chealer: that's good to know! at least I know now that I was wrong, and that the problem does have a solution
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20:54<jon_>abrotman: lspci -nn | grep VGA returns "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller [8086:2592] (rev 03)
20:54<abrotman>judd: xorg 8086:2592
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20:54<judd>abrotman: In lenny, device 8086:2592 is matched by xorg driver: 'intel'.
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20:56<jon_>abrotman: so do I actually need to have a proprietary driver to get hardware acceleration? Or am I just making stuff up?
20:56<abrotman>i'm trying to find out
20:56<jon_>I've read a lot of documentation today, and I could very well be mixing stuff up in my head
20:56<abrotman>but i don't think so
20:57<jon_>Thanks for the help guys, this has been a real pain in my ass
20:57<abrotman> The driver sup‐
20:57<abrotman> ports hardware accelerated 3D via the Direct Rendering Infrastructure
20:57<abrotman> (DRI), but only in depth 16 for the i810/i815 and depths 16 and 24 for
20:57<abrotman> the 830M and later.
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20:58<jon_>abrotman: so if I get DRI, I should be able to support up to 24 bit depth then?
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20:58<abrotman>you likely already have it
20:59<abrotman>probably your bit depth is too high ?
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21:01<jon_>abrotman: Ok, keeping in mind that I have no idea what I'm doing, where would I go to check on that information? The only thing that I can see about it in my system information is that OpenGL is not supported. I've kind of just been assuming that this meant that I had no 3D acceleration
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21:01<abrotman>xdpyinfo | grep depths
21:03<jon_>looks like I get 1,4,8,15,16,24, and 32 bit depths
21:03<abrotman>in that order ?
21:04<jon_>no, sorry i sorted the list
21:07<abrotman>seems like it should work
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21:07<abrotman>though i might force it to 16 just for a test
21:08<jon_>ok, so does that imply that I have 3D hardware acceleration?
21:08<jon_>how would i force it to switch?
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21:09<chealer>jon_: no. which driver do you use?
21:12<jon_>chealer: this one ->
21:12<chealer>jon_: please provide your X configuration and log.
21:13<abrotman>/etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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21:14<jon_>ok, xorg.conf is empty
21:15<abrotman>totally empty ?
21:15<jon_>totally empty
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21:16<bloom>everytime I dist-upgrade pam (on unstable), debconf displays the pam-profiles question all over again. There' are no changes to be made, so is there a way to make it stop doing that?
21:16<SuperMIguel>type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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21:17<SuperMIguel>jon_, remember that its a big X
21:18<adb>SuperMIguel: remember he said that it is " totally empty" ...
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21:19<chealer>SuperMIguel: xorg.conf is 0644
21:19<jon_>entirely empty
21:19<abrotman>freaking sudo abusers
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21:19<SuperMIguel>adb, 0644?
21:19<abrotman>jon_: anyways .. could you paste your Xorg.0.log ?
21:19<jon_>hang on, i'll check on the xorg.0.log
21:19<SuperMIguel>chealer, 0644? or 644?
21:20<chealer>SuperMIguel: both...
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21:20<chealer>jon_: it's a capital X, Xorg.0.log
21:20<jon_>xorg.0.log ->
21:20<abrotman>(/var/log/dmesg might be useful too)
21:20<jon_>chealer: Thanks man, I figured out pretty quick that forgetting capitalization in Linux is a bad idea
21:21<jon_>abrotman: i'm on it
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21:22<jon_>and dmesg ->
21:23<abrotman>jon_: how have you determined that you don't have GL accel ?
21:23<abrotman>or hardware accel i guess mor eaccurately
21:24<chealer>SuperMIguel: BTW, I hear something called a "file manager" has been invented recently. and even a graphical text editor
21:25<abrotman>jon_: everything i see shows you have DRI going
21:25<chealer>jon_: which Debian suite do you use?
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21:25<jon_>abrotman: I just went into the display tab of my system info, and apparently i have it now
21:25<abrotman>jon_: congratulations!
21:25<abrotman>now duplicate the process :)
21:25<jon_>abrotman: fuck me, I can't remember what I did lol
21:25<abrotman>(wtf is system info?)
21:25<SuperMIguel>chealer, really?
21:25<jon_>I'm pretty sure that I installed Mesa
21:26<jon_>abrotman: System Info is the graphical utility that shows all the system stuff. Ever use Everest for a Windows PC? Similar idea. It just polls all of the hardware
21:26<abrotman>jon_: i know what it is on windows .. i've not seen it on linux
21:26<chealer>SuperMIguel: yeah. I know, it feels like we're already the third millenium
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21:27<jon_>ok, so it looks as if installing Mesa did the trick, and I accidentally fixed it about 20 minutes ago
21:27<abrotman>jon_: how did you install X?
21:27<jon_>abrotman: I used the Debian graphical installer
21:27<abrotman>jon_: so you chose "Desktop" ?
21:29<jon_>abrotman: Yes, and it worked quite well. The only problem that I had was when I tried to install the OS without a network connection present, because then I couldn't figure out how to get the card to listen for DHCP
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21:29<abrotman>yeah, i can see that
21:29<jon_>but when I reinstalled with an ethernet cable, everything went smoothly. The only things that the installer didn't do were find my wireless firmware, which was a pretty easy fix, and this Mesa thing
21:30<jon_>anyway, the point of this whole exercise is to take an experienced windows user and throw them at one of the tougher linux distributions.
21:30<jon_>so far, it's been educational
21:30<abrotman>and fun!
21:31<jon_>abrotman: very much so, except when I spend hours staring at google results and wondering what I did to ruin everything
21:31<abrotman>jon_: probably clicked the wrong link in google :)
21:31<jon_>I've found that the Debian wiki is great, as far as it goes, but that it is really lacking in some areas.
21:31<jon_>anyway, you guys have been really helpful tonight, and you'll probably see me again lol
21:32<abrotman>the debian documentation is decent .. but it takes skill to find what you need i guess
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21:32<jon_>if you're interested in our little experiment, and care to spread the word around at all, our blog is at
21:33<jpinx>jon_: I regularly throw windows users at debian ;)
21:33<abrotman>jon_: is it just you ? or are others participating ?
21:34<chealer>jon_: which package did you install exactly?
21:34<jon_>jpinx: that's really not very nice :P
21:34<jpinx>jon_: I don't abandon them, got a good success rate so far :)
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21:34<jon_>abrotman: there are six of us in total, most of us computer science grads, and each with varying levels of linux experience
21:35*abrotman boggles how you'd finish a CS degree without linux/unix experience
21:35<SuperMIguel>chealer, and that pretty thing does it have colors?
21:35<jpinx>jon_: but windows users like to look at pps and .wmv and stuff - so there are issues.....
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21:35<jon_>chealer: I used the Debian netinst ISO for the currently stable Lenny distribution
21:35<chealer>SuperMIguel: yeah, and it can have 256 or more!
21:36<chealer>jon_: but which mesa package did you install?
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21:36<SuperMIguel>chealer, woot i can have pink!
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21:37<abrotman>jon_: regarding a password manager, revelation is interesting (if you've already got gnome installed)
21:37<jon_>chealer: libglw1-mesa, libglu1-mesa, libgl1-mesa-glx, and libgl1-mesa-dri
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21:38<jon_>abrotman: I will look into revelation, thanks for the tip. The reason I picked KeePassX was because I already use KeePass on Windows, so it saved me having to manually move my passwords over. Same reason i picked Iceweasel over Epiphany
21:39<abrotman>jon_: and i presume you got your sound working ?
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21:39<abrotman>(based on the ensuing 'kill the beep' post_
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21:40<jon_>abrotman: yeah, my sound works now, although I haven't gotten into playing with media players or codecs yet
21:40<abrotman>it's kind of funny to read steps written by someone that is new .. like the wifi firmware
21:41<abrotman>i'm not trying to make fun of you
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21:43<SuperMIguel>SHA is 56bit right?
21:43<chealer>jon_: something in the install went wrong if you had to install libgl1-mesa-dri without having deselected Desktop environment
21:43<jon_>abrotman: I'm not offended, I know that I'm new at this. Let me know if I made any horrible mistakes, and I'll fix the post so that nobody else follows my poor instructions
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21:44<abrotman>jon_: no, i'm just saying that i'd have done it differently, but you didn't do it wrong
21:44<jon_>chealer: I just installed mesa-utils and it took care of the rest for me through dependencies
21:44<abrotman>(i don't use synaptic at all)
21:45<jon_>abrotman: I've actually gotten rather used to using synaptic from the terminal. It's much faster than the graphical version once you get the hang of it
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21:45<SuperMIguel>abrotman, chealer does he is the one that uses colorful stuffs
21:45<abrotman>eh .. synaptic? terminal?
21:45*abrotman will stick with aptitude
21:45<abrotman>SuperMIguel: english please
21:46<chealer>jon_: mesa-utils isn't needed for 3D acceleration
21:46<chealer>SuperMIguel: did you check Wikipedia?
21:46<abrotman> aptitude is also Y2K-compliant, non-fattening, naturally cleansing,
21:46<abrotman> and housebroken.
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21:46<jon_>chealer: Perhaps not, but it registered itself as an OpenGL renderer
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21:47<jon_>abrotman: hehe it would appear that I also use aptitude. I've been using apt-get and apt-cache commands from the terminal... I guess that is aptitude. Thanks wikipedia
21:47<chealer>jon_: it certainly didn't
21:47<abrotman>apt-get and aptitude are different
21:47<abrotman>!why aptitude
21:47<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
21:48<chealer>!why not aptitude
21:48<dpkg>Aptitude uses more memory than apt-get and this is about the only reason not to use it as a replacement for the more primitive frontend to libapt that apt-get provides you with. Aptitude also suffers from some bugs that apt-get doesn't have but the converse is also true. Note that aptitude can't download source packages for you but that's no reason to not use aptitude for all your binary package handling.
21:48<jon_>chealer: sounds like something I might want to try
21:48<abrotman>in short ... use aptitude
21:50<jon_>chealer: I think I'm confusing my terms here with Mesa, OpenGL rendering, and 3D hardware acceleration. When I installed mesa-utils, my System info started showing Mesa DRI as the OpenGL renderer. I took this to mean that it allowed me to use OpenGL, and thus 3D acceleration. Correct me if I'm oversimplifying.
21:50<jon_>abrotman: can I use apt-get to get aptitude? :P
21:50<SuperMIguel>jon_, yip
21:51<SuperMIguel>jon_, but aptitude is installed...
21:51<SuperMIguel>jon_, is part of debian sooo no need to install it
21:51<abrotman>jon_: but you really shold be using aptitude .. it's better in most cases ..
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21:51<abrotman>jon_: the problem resolution in aptitude is pretty good, as compared to almost useless in apt-get
21:51<jon_>SuperMIguel: I just found that out when I tried to install it :P
21:52<chealer>jon_: installing mesa-utils made it work, but there would have been other ways, like installing just the relevant dependencies of mesa-utils
21:52<Hideo>jon_: what does "glxinfo | grep -i render" say?
21:52<jon_>chealer: so by installing mesa-utils, did I bloat my system?
21:52<SuperMIguel>jon_, i have a dumb question for u :) why u need openGL?
21:53<abrotman>!tell SuperMIguel about tu
21:53<abrotman>!tell SuperMIguel about u
21:53<chealer>jon_: not really
21:54<jon_>Hideo: direct rendering: Yes; OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915GM 20061017 x86/MMX/SSE2
21:54<Hideo>jon_: then all is well :)
21:55<Hideo>unless I missed the point of your queries completely
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21:55<abrotman>Hideo: he got himself fixed up awhile ago
21:55<jon_>SuperMIguel: I don't really -need- to have OpenGL, but I would like to have the ability to run one of those fancy display engines like compiz or beryl
21:55<jon_>I have a feeling that my machine will just choke on it
21:55<cesurasean>Can someone tell me why editing suhosin.ini does no good, and values do not change via phpinfo?
21:56<Hideo>abrotman: ah ok, so I did miss it =)
21:56<cesurasean>even after restarting apache?
21:56<jon_>SuperMIguel: But my windows box runs Vista, and a part of the idea behind the linux experiment is to try and make my desktop as user friendly as I can. For a lot of people these days, that means having all of that graphical eye candy
21:57<chealer>compiz and beryl aren't "display engines"
21:58<chealer>cesurasean: which values?
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21:58<abrotman>jon_: do you need help with anything else?
21:59<cesurasean>all of the post.max values....
21:59<cesurasean>I have tried changing via the suhosin.ini, and no luck.
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22:00<jon_>chealer: I know that compiz runs on top of X to redress the windows - what is the technical term for what it is?
22:00<Hideo>eye candy? =P
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22:01<SuperMIguel>Hideo, lol
22:01<SuperMIguel>jon_, read private
22:03<cesurasean>can someone help me out with suhosin?
22:03<dpkg>(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see
22:03<cesurasean>I don't understand why the suhosin.ini is not working when I change it!
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22:04<cesurasean>I rebooted the server, and it changed the values via phpinfo.
22:04<cesurasean>weird, but it worked...
22:05<cesurasean>and who says Linux doesn't need a reboot every now and then? ;)
22:07<jon_>Hideo: is there a technical term for it?
22:07<cesurasean>technical term for what?
22:07<abrotman>'useless' :)
22:07<Hideo>jon_: I'm not really sure
22:07<jon_>hahaha, point taken
22:08<jon_>the thing of it is, normal people don't use linux because they don't care to figure shit like this out - Windows and OSX just plain work, because they have majority market share
22:08<jon_>the hippie in me would love to see that change
22:08<abrotman>wwindows just works?
22:08<jon_>that's part of the ideal behind the linux experiment
22:08<jon_>for normal people, yes
22:08<abrotman>boy have i got some software for you :)
22:09*abrotman wonders if he can remember the error message
22:09<jon_>perhaps the point is that with windows, the user base is so huge, that the problem has already been solved for you.
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22:09<jon_>and for every error message you give me for windows, i can hit back with an equally awful one that i've seen in my entire two days of linux experience
22:09<cesurasean>yes jon, that's true in some cases.
22:09<jon_>so there really isn't any point in a pissing contest
22:09<abrotman>jon_: considering the questions the installer asks me, probably shouldn't be happening
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22:10<cesurasean>in poorer countries, linux is the only thing being used.
22:10<jon_>but while linux is the defacto system for stuff like servers, for "normal" people, it's not even a consideration
22:10<jon_>why should people in richer countries be any different?
22:10<jon_>why does everybody pay for MS and Apple products?
22:10<cesurasean>because they started everything...
22:11<abrotman>jon_: not everyone does ...
22:11<jon_>well over 95% of the consumer market would like to argue that point with you :P
22:11<Hideo>jon_: honestly as a ~10 years user of linux, I don't care or want normal people to use it
22:11<abrotman>i meant "pay for"
22:11<cesurasean>I could easily switch to linux, and not worry about a laptop's speed, but I'm stuck with Windows for life, I suppose.
22:11<cesurasean>it would be really hard to make the switch as a daily desktop
22:11<Hideo>jon_: especially Debian, normal people can go and use ubuntu for all I care
22:12<jon_>but wouldn't you like to see that change? just a little bit?
22:12<Hideo>not at all, personally
22:12<jon_>doesn't the idealist in you think that everybody should use free software? i mean what does windows really offer that Linux, doesnt?
22:13<Lin>there's too many softwares built for windows only
22:13<Hideo>jon_: it's not supposed to be a religion where I have to go out and convert everyone I see to linux
22:13<Hideo>it's all about freedom of choice
22:13<jon_>no, you're right, but normal people don't know that there is a choice
22:14<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
22:14<jon_>so even if my experience with Debian sucks dick, I'll stick it out because I want to know if there is a choice.
22:14<Hideo>sorry, ot
22:14<jon_>nothing to see here :P
22:15<jon_>anyway guys, thanks for the help. I'll probably drop in again sometime soon with another string of inane newbie questions.
22:15<jon_>i'm off for the night, but keep an eye on our site if you're interested in what we're up to
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22:15<abrotman>no updates in an hour!
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22:16<sney>off-topic: is it just me or is the whole "windows vs. linux" not the most tiresome discussion ever?
22:16<sney>it literally makes me feel uncomfortable.
22:16<abrotman>sney: no, chicken or egg ..
22:16<sney>in other news, my eee running squeeze hard locked up today, but that was probably my fault
22:16<cesurasean>I hear ya sney, I like having both options. :)
22:16<abrotman>what did you do to it?
22:16<cesurasean>it would be lame if everyone used the same OS.
22:17<sney>I tried to run iceweasel
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22:17<sney>and then I got impatient and I clicked the icon again
22:17<sney>and then I clicked on xchat in the taskbar and I think xfce just got fed up with me at that point
22:18<abrotman>so you just clicked a bunch of random stuff ?
22:18<sney>yeah. I haven't turned it back on yet to see if there's anything logged
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22:20<abrotman>if it will even turn on again ...
22:21<sney>oh I'm sure it will
22:21<Hideo>bring it food and drinks as offerings
22:21*sney goes to check
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22:24<sney>it's fine
22:25<sney>nothing logged. probably just a weird fluke
22:25<abrotman>if it were really a hard lock .. what did you expect it to log
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22:26<sney>just, you know, checking
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23:27<koffee>hi all
23:28<koffee>any short and simple explanation for a pid file in /var/run for a daemon?
23:31<meestahp>It's the pid I think.. just looked it up
23:34<koffee>following instructions for the init.d file, and at one point it says start-top-daemon ... --pidfile ...
23:34<koffee>so it creates or deletes the files in /var/run
23:34<koffee>but that only works as root
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23:36<koffee>if I change the pid file to home dir, everything seems to work... but I don't know if that is gonna break something else
23:37<meestahp>hmm... not sure.. better ask someone who knows better..
23:38<koffee>guess i could just run it as root
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23:41<meestahp>Well, I thought the init.d scripts ran at bootup under root permission
23:42<koffee>my nix is so rusty... not sure what i'm supposed to run as root, and what might be risky
23:43<meestahp>yeah, i'm pretty new to it.. just trying to help..
23:43<koffee>appreciate it
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23:46<meestahp>Anyone there?
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23:49<meestahp>Are you trying to atutostart a program on bootup?
23:49<SuperMIguel>im here
23:49<meestahp>No worries, he's gone...
23:50<meestahp>kofee had a question
23:51<SuperMIguel>meestahp, how do i mount a .cue file in debian?
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