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---Logopened Thu Sep 03 00:00:36 2009
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00:15<Gun_Smoke>There is a package that will help you.. I can't think of the name of it to save my live.. like cuebinit or something
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00:45<tartarus>why can i got to youtube the videos work fine but i go to any other site the video box is all white?
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00:54<sten>I'm trying to upgrade lenny to current testing, but I get: libc6 depends libc-bin=2.9-25, and libc6-i686 predepends libc6=2.7-10, but 2.9-25 installed
00:54<sten>how do I upgrade?
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01:14<sney>dang realtek chipsets
01:15<sney>sten: change sources.list entries and apt-get dist-upgrade
01:16<sten>sney: sources.list is ok, it stopped in the middle of the upgrade-process. it had ldconfig removed, so dpkg just spits errors when trying to install something
01:16<sney>and you did dist-upgrade, not upgrade?
01:16<sten>but --force-* helped dpkg ;)
01:16<sten>yeah, dist-upgrade
01:18<ml|>just updated squeeze and now getting some weird message at boot about mount options, but can't seem to find it in any of the logs to show, is anyone else seeing this?
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01:24<jm_>ml|: do you have bootlog enabled?
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01:27<ml|>jm_: you mean /etc/default/bootlogd ?
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01:28<jm_>ml|: yes
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01:33<ml|>jm_: nope did not know i needed this, but now i do, just change to Yes correct?
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01:34<jm_>ml|: indeed
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01:36<ml|>jm_: thanks, why isn't this set to Yes by default?
01:37<gsimmons>ml|: Debian bug #213028.
01:37<jm_>ml|: there were (are?) problems with it (serial console)
01:38<ml|>gsimmons: jm_ ok, thanks
01:38<jm_>i.e. the boot hangs when one uses serial console and bootlogd is enabled (isutf8 hangs)
01:38<jm_>at least if my memory serves me correctly
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01:42<jm_>and I also like the method mentioned at the end of mail conversation better - have wrapper commands log output of boot commands
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01:46<sney>judd: kernels
01:46<judd>sney: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
01:47<ml|>will be back soon to show you want a mean thanks
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02:16<ml|>after updating squeeze i'm getting a message at boot about mount options, but everything seems fine, here is what i'm getting ... anybody seeing the same?
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02:50<marcOS>how could i check if my atheros ar9285 is configured during installation ¡? becouse mirrors "are not valid". im using daily image install in asus eeepc 1005ha...
02:52<marcOS>yes, i can see using lspci
02:53<marcOS>autoconfiguration usong dhcp fails
02:53<marcOS>so, i cant get any mirror...
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02:55<bozz>is there any messages in /var/log/messages regarding dhcp issues?
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02:57<marcOS>partman and syslog...
02:57<marcOS>this two files..
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03:09<MyWifeIs19>What do I need to safely, disconnect a USB hard drive? I just umount the partition, but that seem to cause two problems 1) I cannot reconnect another USB storage device without rebooting and 2) the partition on USB hdd need to be fsck'ed before use again....
03:10<bozz>marcOS, is your dhcp server accepting you eeepc mac address (something like that)?
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03:10<jm_>marcOS: perhaps check the wiki page for your chipset
03:11<jm_>(or driver)
03:11<marcOS>my router accepts any mac...
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03:15<Yoda-BZH`Wk>marcOS ethernet is broken is the current kernel on 1005ha
03:16<Yoda-BZH`Wk>it has been fixed in the 2.6.31-rc4 and iirc
03:17<valdyn>MyWifeIs19: why do you think you cannot connect another USB storage device without rebooting?
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03:22<ottoshmidt>I try to install one package in add/remove programs and when click on check it says:
03:22<ottoshmidt>Enable the installation of officially supported Debian software?
03:23<ottoshmidt>"MySQL Administrator is part of the Debian distribution. Debian provides support and security updates, which will be enabled too.You need a working internet connection to continue."
03:24<ottoshmidt>but Enabling has no effect, the package remains unchecked
03:25<ottoshmidt>btw this package isn't included in synaptic somehow
03:28<valdyn>ottoshmidt: why do you think its not included?
03:29<valdyn>ottoshmidt: its probably mysql-admin
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03:29<ottoshmidt>myslq-client is the first entry
03:29<valdyn>judd: versions mysql-admin
03:29<ottoshmidt>and there is not mysql-admin, and no mysql-gui-tools
03:29<judd>valdyn: mysql-admin -- etch: 1.2.5rc-2 etch-backports: 5.0~rc12-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 5.0r12-1 sid: 5.0r12-1
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03:29<ottoshmidt>but there is none in Testing
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03:30<valdyn>ottoshmidt: alright, testing does miss package now and then
03:30<ottoshmidt>can I install packages from lenny then?
03:30<valdyn>ottoshmidt: you should not
03:30<valdyn>ottoshmidt: using the sid package
03:30<ottoshmidt>install from mysql website
03:31<valdyn>ottoshmidt: up to you, whenever you chose to install non-debian stuff you get to maintain it yourself
03:31<ottoshmidt>valdyn, so I can install from sid>
03:31<valdyn>ottoshmidt: i just said that
03:31<ottoshmidt>but how do I add repository for sid?>
03:32<valdyn>ottoshmidt: you should be using lenny from the beginning
03:32<ottoshmidt>it's testing that I have installed
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03:32<valdyn>ottoshmidt: sure, i know, your problem
03:33<valdyn>!why is mysql-admin not in testnig
03:33<dpkg>valdyn: I think you lost me on that one
03:33<ottoshmidt>but there is a way to list sid packages in synaptic, isn't it/
03:33<valdyn>!why is mysql-admin not in testing
03:33<dpkg>mysql-admin is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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03:34<ottoshmidt>valdyn, I mean is there a mechanism to list sid packages in synaptic as well or not?
03:34<valdyn>ottoshmidt: sure there is
03:34<ottoshmidt>and what's the problem if I install one of them (mysql-admin in this case)
03:35<ottoshmidt>or it will go on upgrading to sid eventually?
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03:38<ottoshmidt>ok, just tell me: mysql-gui-tools has no old version in testing (trying to add, not update)
03:38<ottoshmidt>how do I add, not update?
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03:39<jm_>either wait until it shows up in testing or install it from sid, like already mentioned
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03:54<Gun_Smoke>Is there a command to force cron to run to test added entries?
03:59<jm_>Gun_Smoke: no
04:00<jmarsden>Gun_Smoke: Just temporarily set them to be 02 * * * * whatever where 02 is a couple of minutes from now...
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04:01<Gun_Smoke>jmarsden, good idea.
04:01<Gun_Smoke>It is 4am.. brain isn't working all that well
04:02<ottoshmidt>jm_, what's the way to install package from sid?
04:03<ottoshmidt>add sid repositories in apt sources.list?
04:03<ottoshmidt>or something else
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04:06<jm_>ottoshmidt: probably best to go to and download it from there
04:06<ottoshmidt>jm_, ok
04:07<ottoshmidt>jm_, there are three packages .dsc ; .orig.tar.gz and /diff.gz
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04:07<ottoshmidt>which one is that I need?
04:08<jm_>ottoshmidt: you want .deb, those are related to debian source package
04:08<jm_>click on your arch link, then select a mirror
04:09<ottoshmidt>jm_, can't see deb downloads :(
04:09<ottoshmidt>it's below sorry
04:10<ottoshmidt>thanks a lot all
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04:10<koffee>hi all
04:11<koffee>does /var/log/messages get purged automatically, or is it FIFO, or is it just gonna grow and grow?
04:12<Yoda-BZH`Wk>koffee: logrotate
04:14<jm_>depends on your usage scenario - if you never have it powered on when logrotate kicks in, then it will grow (using default settings)
04:16<koffee>well, i'm playing with ufw to limit vnc access to just me
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04:16<koffee>and that will cause more logging to messages now
04:16<koffee>I just want to clear it out every so often
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04:37<xover>what is the best linux distro to use for making lightweight servers?
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04:39<locklace>!start a distro war
04:39<dpkg>Debian Rulz
04:39<themill>xover: you're in #debian. What answer do you expect?
04:39<xover>themill: what do you think of slackware?
04:40<themill>xover: I use debian on all my machines.
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04:43<xover>why do you only use debian?
04:46<bozz>and because all newbies think that you re a genis if you use it!
04:46<xover>they are same reasons for getting ubuntu, so whats your point?
04:47<jm_>so use ubuntu
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04:48<xover>where do i go to get some compelling arguments? this obviously aint the place
04:48<bozz>google might help i guess
04:48<themill>xover: they are *not* the same reasons as for using ubuntu. Debian cares about quality and freedom much more than a 6 monthly release cycle.
04:48<themill>!why debian
04:48<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
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04:49<xover>sure, but why not use centos or bsd or even slackware for servers?
04:49<xover>should have stated that to start with, im thinking corporate here.
04:49<themill>What dpkg and I just said.
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04:49<whirlspin>I read somewhere (so cant verify it) that ubuntu doesnt really contribute to the deveploment of linux, or atleast as much as debian does. That made me choose debian. Yeah silly of me to do it without proper evidence
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04:51<themill>xover: the size of the debian archive is also a large advantage -- with rhel/centos you find yourself either compiling from source and manually tracking security updates to packages or you start using 3rd party repos. I find neither of those outcomes suitable for serious usage.
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04:57<xover>hmm, thanks for that. thats a good reason
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04:58<xover>what about freeBSD?
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05:04<cheche>Hi, I guess that this has been asked 1000 times, Çi want to open a docx file on debian lenny, what are the options. upgrade to open office 3.0, use the converter from novell?
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05:06<themill>cheche: OOo3 is on; /msg dpkg bpo
05:07<cheche>thanks themill
05:07<cheche>funny, I though about google docs, and you can upload the document and get converter...
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05:10<cheche> /msg dpkg bpo
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05:39<T_X__>could somebody please stop the update of cryptsetup to 2:1.0.7-2, it's breaking things :)
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05:42<jm_>T_X__: it's already in BTS
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05:43<jm_>I suppose having apt-listbugs installed will catch it
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05:50<T_X__>jm_: yepp, thanks, I already posted a reply as well
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05:52<woocyfear>hello everybody
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05:54<deepsky>hello there again
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06:03<deepsky>themill, all is well, i wanted to say thank you. i owe you a beer, some karma, or whatever gratitudinal currency is in use over there
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06:04<locklace>!beer themill
06:04*dpkg deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for themill
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06:05<themill>yummy :)
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06:06<themill>deepsky: all of the above are welcome! Glad you're all sorted out.
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06:08<deepsky>i still have a problem. the upgrade etch->lenny removed postgresql 7.4 and installed 8.3. The readme.debian suggests using pg_upgradecluster to migrate the data. But the command says that there is no 7.4 cluster, and in fact the 7.4 server seems vanished. The data dirs are still there though. I can dig a database backup in a tape somewhere, but i was wondering if there is another solution
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06:28<wekt>whirlspin,xover: "Linux" in that case should not be confused with the distribution or GNU. More chat in #Debian-OffTopic , if you wish.
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07:03<pexy>is there a page wher i can search for sources like i can search for packages on
07:03<jm_>pexy: that page also gives you links to source packages
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07:05<pexy>i guess i had my right eye closed at that moment :)
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07:09<pexy>for each source there is 3 files (*.dsc, *.tar.gz, *.diff.gz). is there an util which unpacks source and applies diff to source?
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07:10<pexy>could dpkg-source -x <whatever>.dsc be it?
07:10<themill>pexy: use "dget -x http://...../foo.dsc" or "dpkg-source -x foo.dsc" if you've already downloaded all three. (or even apt-get source foo)
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07:25<drcode>hi all
07:26<drcode>I want to use xming with debian console
07:26<drcode>any idea about opengl?
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08:08<hbomb>I've got an Acer Aspire 3000 laptop and I cannot get (1) the computer to power off when I try to shut it down (it just freezes at a login prompt after stopping X), and also (2) I cannot get the wifi working even tho the b43-fwcutter has been installed and run. Can anyone help?
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08:08<hbomb>these worked with the older Kubuntu 6.06 or something that I used to have on this machine
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08:09<keschrich>Hey all, trying to create a 3GB ramdisk on a debian server with 32GB ram. dmesg confirms 16 ramdisks created with size 3145728K, I run 'mke2fs -m 0 /dev/ram0', which seems to run successfully. however when i 'mount /dev/ram0 /mnt/ramdisk' i get 'wrong fs type, bad option, .....' any thoughts?
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08:13<jm_>I wish I had a machine where I could test that - well I do, but can't use it for such tests :)
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08:14<keschrich>haha, well unfortunately it is not my personal machine
08:14<jm_>did you check what kernel says after mkfs and mount?
08:15<keschrich>jm_, EXT2-fs: Magic mismatch, very weird !
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08:19<jm_>keschrich: as if mkfs didn't do its job properly or there's some other bug underneath
08:19<HELLth>hi, has anybody experience with Mikrotic RouterBoard 1000 running on debian ?
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08:20<keschrich>jm_, I've created a ramdisk of the default size (64M methinks) on a different server with no problem..i'm resetting this server to use the default size and see if that works, i guess i'll just try bumping it incrementally from there
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08:21<jm_>keschrich: ramdisk module has a parameter for size, see if unloading it works
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08:21<nagarjuna>hi hello
08:21<jm_>yeah 64M works for me too at home, for some initrd image that just ssh-s to another box
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08:24<keschrich>jm_, the default kernel seems to have ramdisk compiled in, so i have to reboot each time with the size as a boot parameter :( the default just worked though, so i guess ill try 1gb next
08:24<jm_>keschrich: ahh bummer
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08:26<MyWifeIs19>What do I need to safely, disconnect a USB hard drive? I just umount the partition, but that seem to cause two problems 1) I cannot reconnect another USB storage device without rebooting and 2) the partition on USB hdd need to be fsck'ed before use again....
08:26<jm_>MyWifeIs19: that is the safe way for normal cases
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08:27<jpinx>MyWifeIs19: you need to pause between umount and actually pulling the plug
08:27<MyWifeIs19>how long?
08:27<jpinx>until the hdd stops spinning
08:28<jpinx>if it's more than 30 seconds you have other issues
08:28<jpinx>MyWifeIs19: mine usually takes 3-5 seconds
08:29<jm_>that depends on your hardware - I have regular 3.5" disk in 5.25 USB case and it doesn't stop spinning, but unplugging after 5s is ok
08:29<jpinx>jm_: interesting
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08:29<jpinx>MyWifeIs19: you could check with df to see if it's still mounted
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08:29<jm_>jpinx: I think using eject makes it go idle in some cases, but it doesn't always work in my experience
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08:30<jpinx>jm_: just tried mine - you're right - it doesn't actually stop spinning, but it's stopped reading/writing
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08:31<jm_>jpinx: yup
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08:39<keschrich>jm_, so a ramdisk_size of 524288 (512M) seems to work, but not 1048576 (1GB)...i may be sol with this one
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08:39<jm_>keschrich: hmm maybe try to search if anyone has reported this to lkml
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08:40<jm_>keschrich: another option to play with is ramdisk_blocksize
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08:41<keschrich>jm_, hmm, ill look into that one
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08:47<keschrich>jm_, I think you very well may have hit the nail on the head- I'm resetting to my original 3gb size and with a blocksize of 4096, we'll see if that does the trick
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08:50<keschrich>jm_, that did the trick- as soon as i googled ramdisk_blocksize i found a posting of someone with the exact same problem. thanks a ton
08:51<hbomb>When I shut down my Acer Aspire 3000, it just hangs after stopping X. Any suggestions?
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08:52<jm_>keschrich: enjoy
08:52<jm_>hbomb: does it have keyboard leds?
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09:26<Guest1217>stew: hi, pm?
09:26<Guest1217>why did debian actually moved here instead of freenode?
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09:31<jpinx>Guest1217: it's in both
09:31<Guest1217>wasn't there decission to make this one the more officiall one
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09:31<Guest1217>or talk to do o
09:32<jpinx>not afaik
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09:33<Guest1217>I ment like,
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09:42<T_X__>hmm, recently switched to grub2, but now it tries to configure itself everytime using aptitude
09:42<T_X__>I'm getting the error message "grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /."
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09:43<T_X__>and I'm running unstable with latest updates
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09:52<T_X__>and I'm gettint the same error if I want to do an 'upgrade-from-grub-legacy'
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10:01*arw hello folks
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10:02<T_X__>hmm, ok, could get that upgrade-from-grub-legacy thing fixed with "echo change > /sys/block/dm-0/event" as stated in ticket 544577
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10:03<T_X__>so now I could remove and install the 2.6.30-1-amd64 kernel again, let's see if that might have fixed the cryptsetup problem for me as well :)
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10:09<jthomas_sb_>I've got a sid desktop at work and I've had the same updates for a week now and cannot get anything new, including KDE 4.3.1. My home computer has about the same setup and has its updates coming in fine. Anyone help me?
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10:20<stuckey>jthomas_sb_: It's usually safe to accept apt's solution.
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10:20<jthomas_sb_>stuckey i have, every day. it doesn't give me anything new.
10:20<MyWifeIs19>how do I "reset" usb driver? (I disconnected a usb harddrive and connected a usb dvd drive. was able to read some stuff off the cd-rom disc. then umounted: no problem. tried ejecting by "eject /dev/scd0": took a while(maybe 2 minutes), command returned silently, but no physical ejection. tried reconnecting usb hdd: linux wont recognize the presence...)
10:20<Erasure_ON>hi folks
10:20<stuckey>jthomas_sb_: You need to hit "Y" instead of q.
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10:20<jthomas_sb_>stuckey i know that :) i didn't want to sit through it again.
10:20<jthomas_sb_>i've accepted that solution a lot of times.
10:21<stuckey>jthomas_sb_: So what does it give when you tell it yes?
10:21<jthomas_sb_>after running aptitiude update
10:21<jthomas_sb_>hold on i'll run it all.
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10:21<jthomas_sb_>this is new for me today 'v4l2ucp' but the rest will stay the same, hold on stuckey
10:23<jthomas_sb_>stuckey aptitude still won't change iuts packages. maybe i sould use apt-get to get around this?
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10:24<stuckey>MyWifeIs19: /msg dpkg dmm
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10:27<stuckey>jthomas_sb_: So it's not upgrading which package?
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10:27<jthomas_sb_>stuckey anything that comes into sid, on a daily basis. kde 4.3.1 for example.
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10:28<jthomas_sb_>my home computer gets like 5-20 new packages daily, this one is stuck in this loop that i posted.
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10:28<jthomas_sb_>it hasn't really gotten any new packages in about a week or maybe more
10:29<jthomas_sb_>my sources.list do specify sid
10:29<stuckey>And you've tried installing the package you want with "aptitude install x"?
10:29<themill>jthomas_sb_: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" for us?
10:30<stuckey>Are you using the exact same sources file for both machines? Are they both the same arch?
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10:30<jthomas_sb_>both are debian sid, but not identical machines, not identical sources
10:30<jthomas_sb_>apt-cache policy at
10:30<stuckey>jthomas_sb_: It likely has to do with your use of DMM.
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10:31<jthomas_sb_>could be, although both have that repo
10:32<wferi>Hi! How comes that apt-cache show dash shows: Essential: yes Priority: optional Version: even though in debian/control it has Priority: required?
10:32<themill>jthomas_sb_: is there a specific package that you know you're expecting to be updated? kdelibs5 perhaps? Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy kdelibs5" (or whatever package you're looking for)
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10:33<themill>jthomas_sb_: also, what arch is this? ("dpkg --print-architecture")
10:33<jthomas_sb_>nothing specific but that is likely one, yeah. hold on a moment
10:35<jthomas_sb_>hm interesting. at work its and at home its -- one is the Debian repos in Chicago USA and the other is
10:35<jthomas_sb_>so likely the repo is just not updated huh?
10:35<themill>judd versions kdelibs5 --arch i386
10:35<judd>themill: kdelibs5 -- lenny: 4:4.1.0-3 lenny-security: 4:4.1.0-3+lenny1 squeeze: 4:4.2.4-1 sid: 4:4.3.1-1
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10:37<themill>jthomas_sb_: yeah, likely that mirror isn't updating properly it would seem
10:37<jthomas_sb_>ok good to know, thanks for the help with the investigation
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10:38<themill>jthomas_sb_: having said that, kde4.3.1 was only uploaded yesterday so you can't be too harsh about it taking a day to update...
10:39<jthomas_sb_>:D i know, its just other packages in general haven't been there for updates. like i said, usually there are a few, or a lot, every day. for a week now, this machine hasn't really had any.
10:40<FilipeMaia>Apologies for the hardware question. Is it possible to use a PCIe 2.0 16x graphics card in a PCIe 1.0 16x slot?
10:40<jthomas_sb_>after adding that repo for and aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade i now have "464 packages upgraded, 46 newly installed, 9 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
10:40<jthomas_sb_>that is a lot :D
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10:40<themill>jthomas_sb_: yikes... that mirror isn't doing to well at all then.
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10:41<jthomas_sb_>so it seems
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10:41<jthomas_sb_>900MB to download for this
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10:44<jthomas_sb_>When i am getting a package it will often read, " 1:3.1.1-1" What is the 1: in front of the package version number 3.1.1-1 ?
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10:45<jthomas_sb_>FilipeMaia you should be able to
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10:47<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, epoch is the end of an era. For example y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. The unix epoch on 32-bit hardware isn't until Jan 18 2038, by which time we will probably have all migrated to 64-bit architectures. It's also a version number orderer used by the Debian packaging software. For example: 2:0.0.0 is a higher version than 9.9.9 by itself. See <compare versions>.
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10:48<FilipeMaia>jthomas_sb_, thanks
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10:56<carwash001>Hello all. On restarting after an etch->lenny upgrade, Debian fails to boot for me, with 'Target filesysten does not have /sbin/init', 'No init found'. It then drops me into the busybox/initramfs shell. How can I recover from this? I suspect the problem lies somewhere with LILO, initramfs, and my LVM volumes... but I'm stumped. Any ideas, please?
10:57<stew>jthomas_sb_: we add an epoch when for some reason the upstream version numbers change in such a way that a newer version might be confused with an older version. for instance, if USED to be version 20090503 then the next version they release was 1.0, dpkg would think 1.0 is older, since 1<200890503, so we add 1: to signify that everything with 1: is newer (if there is no : it is assumed to be 0:)
10:58<jthomas_sb_>that makes more snse than the rest of what dpkg told me, thanks stew :)
10:59<themill>yeah, I might go and rewrite that factoid...
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11:33<themill>!version epoch
11:33<dpkg>The version number of a packge have a prepended number called the "epoch". It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes. Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg). But 1<6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer. (If there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0".) See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision>
11:33<themill>jthomas_sb_: ^^ better?
11:34<jthomas_sb_>looks great, thanks themill :D
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11:35<triplc>In squeeze, nvidia driver is compiled by users, right? ( after upgrading from lenny to squeeeze, my nvidia stops
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11:35<stuckey>triplc: Yes
11:35<ml|>themill: better good job
11:35<ml|>!beer themill
11:35*dpkg deftly decants a fine Guinness for themill
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11:36<stuckey>I believe you've only to copmile the glx libraries.
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11:36<triplc>ah... compiling is tough for me :-(
11:36<jtf>hey there
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11:37<estudiante8>hello people
11:37<stuckey>There should be an easier way of getting these video card drivers...
11:37<jtf>I was wondering if anyone might be able to help me with an alsa-related problem
11:37<stuckey>Like backports or something...
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11:37<themill>estudiante8: please play elsewhere
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11:38<triplc>it was easy with lenny. anyway, squeeze is 'testing' after all
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11:38<elmatatan>ayone there?\
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11:39<elmatatan>hey freg
11:39<themill>elmatatan: please play elsewhere
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11:40<ml|>triplc: follow the debian nvidia wiki page but use sid stuff like from sid nvidia-glx etc...
11:40<elmatatan>mother fucker^^
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11:42<ml|>triplc: all you need from sid is the nvidia stuff go get it working, nothing else
11:42<elmatatan>ill fuclk ur mother
11:43<elmatatan>triplc you are shit
11:43<themill>!ops elmatatan estudiante8 estudiante8_ would like to find a new place to play
11:43<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: elmatatan estudiante8 estudiante8_ would like to find a new place to play
11:43<Hydroxide>!abk elmatatan
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11:43<themill>thanks, Hydroxide
11:44<ml|>thanks Hydroxide themill
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11:47<bcochofel>Hi, need some help with a custom initrd
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11:48<bcochofel>I have populated my initrd with busybox and symlinks to every function
11:48<bcochofel>created devices and all that
11:48<bcochofel>the problem is linuxrc
11:48<bcochofel>can't seen to figure out what to put there
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11:49<bcochofel>if I start init=/bin/sh I get "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off"
11:49<bcochofel>but I can go to the shell
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11:51<bcochofel>if I start init=/linuxrc I get "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init"
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11:52<bcochofel>my linuxrc looks like this, for now:
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11:53<bcochofel>sorry, not my linuxrc, this is the script that generates initrd and linuxrc
11:53<bcochofel>can anyone help me with this?
11:55<esaym153>it seems that lot of mirrors are way out of sync??
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13:00<beer>I am trying to install debian from the daily netinstaller image. Shot after I hit enter in the first menu(where I can choice to install) I get this "Process:1143): kbd: setting console mode to unicode (utf 8)" and nothing else. when trying to google it I dont find any usefull information
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13:01<beer>so what can I do
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13:04<beer>sould I try another distro, take advance settings and press some "magic command"?
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13:04<beer>or something else
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13:05<ml|>why do you need to use a daily image? why not just use lenny installer?
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13:07<beer>that is easyer to install testing direcly instead of first installe stable and then upgrade (ofcouse before I install the programs I need)
13:08<beer>or normal it is eayser
13:08<AppDeb>beer: what you say is not an error
13:08<beer>I just know it stops there and there is nothing else on the screen
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13:09<beer>and I have no ideer what it means
13:09<ml|>well, try a weekly installer if you want, but installing lenny and moving to testing is simple right after you install lenny, using netinst
13:09<AppDeb>beer: try using gui install/ text install or expert install, maybe that is a specific bug, buy we can't help you when you use a daily release
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13:10<beer>the same thing happen when I did try the weekly installer that is why I took the daily
13:11<ml|>i should say unless you want to test, debug the daily/weekly images
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13:12<beer>so the best thing I can do is try to install via expert or gui and if it stops again I should try lenny (good by ext4 ).
13:12<beer>I would like to test but I hate debuging
13:13<AppDeb>beer: yeah try gui and expert if you want ext4
13:14<beer>OK. Trying. Cya around
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13:14<ml|>you can try also kmuto image if you want ext4 from installer tho, it's not recommeded atm iirc /msg dpkg kmuto you can always setup ext4 after
13:14<ml|>duh, he left
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13:29<bcochofel>after kernel loads initrd how can I copy the contents from /dev/ram0 to one dir so I can pivot_root ?
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13:30<kardan>hi, can somebody tell what the problem with fastcgi is? the description of fcgi says: It is a binary compatibility alternative to Apache module mod_fastcgi. mod_fcgid has a new process management strategy, which concentrates on reducing the number of fastcgi server, and kick out the corrupt fastcgi server as soon as possible.
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13:47<lostinfog>I have a usb stick and udev "add" rules that mount it just fine. The "remove" rules say they will fire under udevtest, but the never fire on the removal of the stick. If you can, please help
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14:01<Leo-bandwidthd>alguem aqui conseguiu rodar o bandwidthd no debian 5
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14:04<ml|>lostinfog: have you tried usbmount?
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14:05<lostinfog>Yes, usbmount will mount on /media/usbX but I would prefer to mount a specific stick on a specific mount point.
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14:10<gustavo_>where can i find help about SPF?
14:11<gustavo_>oh yeah, very useful!
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14:11<gustavo_>like i wouldnt know
14:11<n3lab>and what is spf?
14:12<n3lab>i am drinking and my english is very bad(
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14:14<n3lab>oh. i dunno :( in our country nobody use this framework
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14:15<gustavo_>n3lab, who are u talking to
14:15<gustavo_>are u drunk?
14:16<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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14:17<n3lab>bja, but u is smaller than you
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14:17<bja>!lart n3lab
14:17*dpkg whips out his power stapler and staples n3lab's genitalia to the ground
14:19<gustavo_>bja, so what?
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14:21<locsmif>w8, dis talk iz gr8. U need 2 b proud of ur English skillz
14:21<locsmif>hi kennel
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14:32<T_X>hi there, I'm having some trouble booting a xen image. I'm always getting a "The Initrd is too big"
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14:39<tAcc>hi guys
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14:40<tAcc>i was wondering if what i'm getting is a known issue
14:40<tAcc>basically whenever i boot a kernel newer than 2.6.18 (same .config)
14:40<tAcc>the screen freezes (whereas the boot seems to go on fine)
14:40<tAcc>i'm using debian on powermac g5 dual 2.0ghz
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14:45<bja>dpkg: tell tAcc about ppc
14:45<bja>tAcc: the most i can do for you :(
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14:46<tAcc>bja: tnx
14:46<tAcc>i'm in there too :)
14:47<tAcc>bja: I was just hoping to get some hint on what can cause the symptom
14:47<tAcc>so i can narrow it down to the differences in that area in the .config if any
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14:48<TaoJoannes>does anybody have a minute to help me out with my Xorg crashes?
14:50<bja>dpkg: tell TaoJoannes about ask
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14:50<bja>dpkg: tell TaoJoannes about unix lessons
14:50<TaoJoannes>lol, I know the unix, this linux is a little confusing
14:50<TaoJoannes>all I can find on the problem is a bug going back to 2003
14:51<TaoJoannes>Error in I830WaitLpRing
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14:53<gustavo_>bja, dpkg isnt there to help you, it seems.
14:53<gustavo_>TaoJoannes, what he is trying to tell you is: dont ask to ask
14:54<TaoJoannes>fair enough
14:55<TaoJoannes>anybody know what Error in I830WaitLpRing and (WW) intel(0): ESR is 0x00000010, page table error might portend
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14:56<TaoJoannes>i just installed a couple days ago, it was solid as a rock, today the digicam won't connect and the xorg keeps crashing.
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14:56<TaoJoannes>runnint nothing but a terminal, firefox and skype
14:56<xlotlu>what's the easiest way to route all my traffic via a remote machine? vpn or there's a simpler way?
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14:57<TaoJoannes>that would be my guess, xlotlu, haven't done it in a while, but ipchains/iptunnels is anything but easier,
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15:01<magyar_>hi, is there any benefits in running debian as a guest on centos vmware hypervisor?
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15:02<Ganneff>is there any benefit in running centos? same sort of question. same answer: it depends on what one wants.
15:02<styx>hi, i need help with Xorg 1.6 and a wacom USB tablet not going into absolute mode, no matter what i tell the fdi fpr HAL
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15:03<styx>looks like HAL just ignores my settings
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15:03<TaoJoannes>thx, cahoot, does that line Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" go in my blank /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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15:04<binary>hey all
15:04<binary>has anybody else had issues with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
15:04<binary>basically not working
15:04<magyar_>Ganneff, rackspace offers centos as the host only, than one needs to install debian as guest on vmware hypervisor
15:04<T_X>ok I'm also getting an "Out of memory" when trying to install OpenSuse from CD :D
15:04<T_X>damn it
15:04<binary>to be more specific, the keyboard layout is not set
15:04<magyar_>does it makes sense?
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15:09<kop>binary: IIRC xorg ignores the keyboard section now. I can't recall where that's set.
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15:09<binary>kop: ahh right
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15:09<binary>kop: shit I'll just make an xorg.conf
15:09<kop>binary: Won't it still ignore the section?
15:09<binary>kop: but some security updates or some shit has happened and now my fonts are different :-/
15:10<binary>kop: dpkg-reconfigure doesn't even generate an xorg.conf anymore
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15:11<binary>cahoot: cool, I'll look
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15:18<jason_>how do you make Xorg dump current running config?
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15:35<jason_>I found the XAA is enabled by default, the problem I have is more like this config, but with the freeze-up.
15:36<jason_>oops, that was the reccommended fix, which seems redundant, is my conf
15:37<jason_>in any case, it seems like the prob is related to the driver for the onboard intel video, I've got a nvidia on the way, think that'll fix it?
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15:48<insigne>alguem tc comigo?
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15:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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15:53<jason_>I'm running xserver-xorg-video-intel (2:2.3.2-2+lenny6), is there any reason not to upgrade to xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.8.1-1_i386.deb
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15:57<jason_>thanks for all the help
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15:59<n3lab>hey hey
16:00<n3lab>can anybody advise some cinema?
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16:04<gustavo_>n3lab, google.
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16:19<TSL>i need help with translating gnome
16:20<TSL>i have installed lenny and told it to use spanish
16:20<TSL>but gnome shows menus in english
16:20<clarjon1>What repo does a guy have to enable to get KDE4? lol
16:20<voipzapperw>TSL: heh heh. you can always use the babalfish
16:20<themill>clarjon1: /msg dpkg kde4
16:20<voipzapperw>so, guys... this is totally lame of me not to know, so go ahead and smack me
16:21<TSL>voipzapperw i understand english, but id prefer spanish :)
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16:21<voipzapperw>what is the easiest way to xfer huge files over my router between my debian box and one of my windows boxes?
16:22<TSL>voipzapperw i use ftp but maybe samba is a good way
16:22<themill>voipzapperw: pulling from windows using sftp or ftp would be easiest.
16:22<voipzapperw>i was using micro-torrent to d/l dvd sized files, and my windows box keeps crashing (imagine that) and my debian box NEVER does
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16:23<voipzapperw>ftp would probably be good. haven't heard of samba. i'll check that out.
16:23<TSL>samba is a client for using windows networks under linux
16:23<voipzapperw>yeah, i thought ftp would certainly be the most obvious
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16:24<voipzapperw>TSL: hmm. now that is kinda what i was think that there must be. will check that out
16:24<voipzapperw>is samba part of the default install? could use synaptic to install if not
16:24<TSL>just do apt-get install samba
16:25<TSL>you can use synaptic too
16:25<TSL>i dont know if its part of the default install i used netinstall
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16:25<themill>voipzapperw: installing an sftp client like filezilla on the windows machine is probably the simplest approach (openssh-server is presumably already on your debian box)
16:25<voipzapperw>TSL: so, i am a bit confused. when you say translate, do you mean permanently?
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16:26<TSL>the menus "applications places system" appear in english
16:26<voipzapperw>TSL: yeah, i used netinstall too.
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16:26<TSL>but the rest (apps) are in spanish now :)
16:26<voipzapperw>TSL: heh heh
16:26<TSL>so i think im missing something ;)
16:26<voipzapperw>themill: that is an interesting idea too
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16:31<TSL>anyone here uses gnome?
16:33<voipzapperw>TSL: i use gnome
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16:35<voipzapperw>themill: when you say filezilla, are you talking about a firefox add-on?
16:36<voipzapperw>themill: oh, you must mean the open source that i just found
16:36<voipzapperw>everyone feel free to smack me around at any time. :-)
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16:37<bja>dpkg: slap voipzapperw
16:37*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across voipzapperw's face
16:37<voipzapperw>"ouch! thanks i needed that" heh heh
16:37<bja>Whatever the client ask for
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16:39<dpkg>< justin420> some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp.
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16:46<joshua_>hey guys does any one have issues with gmail freezing / locking up in firefox?
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16:46<Tekla>why does my internet connection with a modem make me an expert installer?
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16:48<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
16:48<hajduk>msg dpkg install programms
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16:51<hajduk>sorry how can i install programms without package managers? from downloaded files (or packages)
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16:52<rudi_s>hajduk: ./configure && make && make install as usual, but you should install them in /usr/local so they don't overwrite system files.
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17:04<chealer>hajduk: if you don't mind, what are you trying to do?
17:04<chealer>Tekla: what do you mean by an expert installer?
17:05<voipzapperw>chealer: your name reminds me of the Cheela in "Dragon's Egg"
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17:05<hajduk>i have downloaded opera for linux, not with the help of synaptic or other manager
17:05<voipzapperw>themill: thanks for tha filezilla suggestion. awesome app. and so straightforward
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17:05<hajduk>i want to make opera run on my linux
17:05<voipzapperw>what is the ftp client in gnome?
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17:06<mjgoins>if I have two encrypted drives (set up via the standard guided lvm+encryption method), one internal and one external drive, how do I tell the boot process which one to try to decrypt? it seems to always want to decrypt (and ask for the passphrase for) the internal drive, even when booting from the external drive
17:06<bja>hajduk: dpkg -i opera should install the package
17:06<Guest1268>voipzapperw: you can just use gnome file manager "Places>Network" why do you ask
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17:06<hajduk>msg dpkg - opera
17:07<themill>voipzapperw: no worries.
17:07<hajduk><hajduk> -i opera
17:07<hajduk>* dpkg removes a liver from hajduk and replaces it with opera
17:07<hajduk>this way?
17:08<Guest1268>Anyone know what sort of a connector an "Easy Flash" connector is? Or any details -- people should name connectors boring things like "ieee841" then it wouldn't tax my google foo
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17:11<voipzapperw>themill: i only see filezilla as a server for windows though
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17:11<voipzapperw>i assume i'd run ftp-d on debian so filezilla is redundant
17:11<joshua_>whats the best webbrowser?
17:12<Tekla>chealer: the option to have ppp inet can only be chosen if you go for expert install :)
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17:12<hajduk>should i extract the files from the archive first?
17:12<SafeSurf>joshua_ depends of what will you need
17:13<SafeSurf>I think the most complete is Iceweasel (Firefox on debian Repositories)
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17:14<joshua_>i am having issues with firefox locking up while in gmail
17:14<joshua_>locking up / running slow
17:14<tmc>gmail was down the other day LOL
17:14<SafeSurf>but if you want a light browser, you can try Epiphany.. it may be on your menu
17:14<voipzapperw>Guest1268: that will work i suppose
17:14<chealer>Tekla: wrong
17:14<SafeSurf>Yes.. lot of gmail problems l;ast days
17:15<hajduk>bja: thanks it seems to be ok
17:15<voipzapperw>SafeSurf: me too on the gmail
17:15<xeon-enouf>joshua_: try adblock and flashblock extensions
17:15<tmc>i wish safari was ported for linux
17:15<SafeSurf>im using well iceweasel on Gmail.. no problems
17:15<tmc>yeah, pop was working
17:15<SafeSurf>tmc try Epiphany
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17:16<Guest1268>tmc: there are Chrome previews available for Linux..... as well as Konqueror. But why do you want Safari?
17:17<xeon-enouf>midori uses webkit, then there's khazahakazi, et al
17:17<tmc>its cool, and chomium doesnt work well
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17:17<Guest1268>khazahakazi is a dead project though isn't it? All spam on the website last time I looked. Pity was a brilliantly written browser.
17:18<hajduk>and where shall i launch this opera from?
17:18*xeon-enouf uses links2 -g (and IW) and is considering uzbl
17:18<Guest1268>cool? In what way. The Windows port failed to adhere to basic UI standards, had crappy dialogues, and rendered less pages than Firefox.
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17:19<tmc>FIREFOX is still good
17:19<Guest1268>Oh I think "Easy Flash" is Nokia branding of one of the USB standard connectors - will read Wikipedia to discover more.....
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17:21<Guest1268>tmc: I think Firefox is great. Although I use Iceweasel ;) Chrome on Windows sucks because of the poor UI. Google aren't even interested in fixing those aspects. Guess they are mainly interested in their own OS.
17:21<tmc>that will be awesome, u gonna get it
17:22<chealer>hajduk: opera is not supported here
17:22<hajduk>ok, but other programms?
17:23<hajduk>i want to learn how to install progs..
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17:23<hajduk>opera is just example..
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17:24<tmc>shouldnt this be in offtopic
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17:25<chealer>hajduk: some other programs are somewhat supported
17:25<hajduk>ok, bittorrent...?
17:26<SafeSurf>Guys, try Iceweasel from Experimental Repositories... im using and its too much Good
17:26<tmc>thats a good ap
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17:26<SafeSurf>a lot better than before!
17:26<SafeSurf>No bugs!
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17:27<SafeSurf>( i think you must install xulrunner too
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17:31<SafeSurf>where coul i check gnome errors? (where are the logfile)
17:32<SafeSurf>im reciving a gnome error when i bootup, but i cant read once thats too fast... it appears and then gdm starts
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17:34<binarymutant>anyone use cmus? it's not showing tracks just Artists :/
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17:34<chealer>SafeSurf: experimental's iceweasel has bugs. please stick to topic in any case.
17:35<chealer>hajduk: somewhat
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17:39<voipzapperw>so, i have the torrent client running getting a dvd sized file
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17:39<voipzapperw>and when i go into the client from the gnome interface, it tells me "it is already running"
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17:40<hajduk>how can i launch a prog from terminal?
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17:40<voipzapperw>how can i access the client to do things like see progress, pause it, resume it, quit a torrent?
17:40<voipzapperw>hajduk: cli
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17:41<hajduk>command not found:)
17:41<chealer>hajduk: it depends on the program. sometimes you just type its name
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17:44<hajduk>oh, thank u very much!!! why didn't u say before!!!
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17:46<TSL>anyone knows what package i have to install to translate gnome to spanish?
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17:48<TSL>hi luisnj11
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17:51<luisnj11>a qui hablan en espalol o en ingles
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17:52<TSL>pero en privado podemos hablar español
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17:52<luisnj11>oh thaks
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17:59<adb>QNQ, that's spam here
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18:01<dpkg>hmm... beer is liquid gold mate
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18:08<radtchenko>hmm weird
18:08<radtchenko>just built konversation from source
18:09<radtchenko>now the update manager wants me to update it to the very same version
18:09<radtchenko>1.1-1 to ""
18:10<radtchenko>does someone have a clue what that is/might be for?
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19:22<vook>aside from disabling pcspkr, anyone know how to disable the terminal bell ? (from console)
19:22<jcole>when creating a debian package with debhelper, how do i go about populating debconf?
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19:22<jcole>i put stuff in postinst, but thats hackish
19:22<jcole>vook: heh, i always unplug the speaker
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19:23<bja>vook: xset b off
19:24<jcole>what i mean is, what filename do i put in debian/ and what do i uncomment in debian/rules
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19:24<vook>bja - thanks, that works in X, but not at the console.
19:25<bja>jcole: /j #debian-mentors
19:25<bja>vook: you have to disable a module, let me look around to see if i can find the name
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19:26<bike>oi , massive usb storage problem
19:26<bike>stick works on every other hw
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19:27<locklace>vook: man setterm
19:27<vook>bja - the module is usually pcspkr - rmmoding it though doesn't work. It's strange - I boot, have the bell, rmmod pcspkr, the bell remains, modprobe pcspkr and the bell went away.
19:28<vook>locklace: cool, thanks
19:29<bja>vook: what release are you using?
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19:30<bja>from backports?
19:31<vook>no, squeeze
19:32<bja>vook: try blacklisting the module so it won't boot
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19:33<vook>ya - I think this is the first time I've booted into 2.6.30. It just started - oddly high pitched too.
19:34<dirk_>hi. I would like to convert all songs in a .m3u to big chunky .wav -- how is this possible? I remember that use to have an wav-output funktion, but xmms is dead now days.
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19:36<vook>hmm - I think splay file.mp3 -d file.wav works
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19:38<vook>maybe not
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19:56<Dez>lol.. didn't realise I left this logged in :/
19:56<Dez>bye all
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20:01<s3a>does anyone here know basic java programming to tell me how i could have two variables (ie pennies and pennies2) be = 5 assuming pennies = 2 and pennies2 = 3 in System.out.println(); instead of like printing 23
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20:06<chealer>s3a: ask #java
20:07<s3a>chealer, it says somethign about id and doesnt let me get in
20:07<s3a>(im using xchat)
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20:24<destroyer>estan ocupaditos
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20:35<destroyer>saludos entren a la mejor web
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21:06<voipzapperw>is there a system wide way to use a proxy?
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21:06<voipzapperw>want get a torrent using a proxy
21:07<locsmif>Do you mean a gateway?
21:07<voipzapperw>locsmif: well, no, i think i mean a proxy...
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21:08<voipzapperw>i a whole range of proxies and use them on my windows boxen in things like firefox et alia
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21:08<locsmif>You want something like a transparent proxy for torrent traffic only?
21:09<voipzapperw>locsmif: well, i think that is right
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21:10<SafeSurf>Guys, i need help. I Share Internet connection with my neighbors, using Wep encriptation. There is a way to "capture" my login and password of Emesene, and others messenger clients by opening the packages?
21:10<voipzapperw>i am using transmissionbt and didn't see any place to put proxy settings
21:10<locsmif>Problem is, all your traffic for non-lan targets is sent to your gateway (See route (8)) first
21:10<dpkg>Wireshark is a cross-platform network protocol analyzer, formerly known as Ethereal. It allows data to be examined from a live network or from a capture file. You can interactively browse captured data, view summary and detailed information for each packet. The ASCII contents of a TCP connection can also be viewed. Console version packaged as 'tshark'. #wireshark on
21:11<vook>SafeSurf: that was for you
21:11<locsmif>voipzapperw, so if the torrent program doesn't offer some sort of proxy functionality, I don't know, it'll be goddamn difficult :P
21:11<ml|>wep has being cracked, use wpa
21:12<vook>SafeSurf: it's true WEP is bad bad
21:12<ml|>and strong password, ypu should be ok with wpa
21:13<SafeSurf>vook, ml|, some time ago i asked about using webmail clients, and some guys here told that https is too much hard to break, so i was able to use my webmails without a problem
21:13<locsmif>You can try to use iptables to redirect torrent traffic somewhere else, but... the target redirected to won't know where to send the traffic next...
21:13<SafeSurf>i think my neighbor cant see my passwords of emails right?
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21:14<ml|>SafeSurf: yes, but if you connet using wep, it might be possible to get the info
21:14<SafeSurf>like, where on the net im surfing?
21:14<vook>your data SafeSurf
21:14<locsmif>voipzapperw, either the torrent client (or even the protocol in the first place) offers proxy functionality or your gateway must be your proxy, so to speak
21:14<locsmif>voipzapperw, your question hurt my brain a bit.. ;-)
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21:15<voipzapperw>locsmif: sorry to injure your noggin ;-)
21:15<SafeSurf>vook, my problem is the guy that is sharing internet with me..
21:16<SafeSurf>i dont know if he can stole my passwords
21:16<ml|>yes, lets say you are using wep and someone cracks your connection, even if using https they will see what you are doing, plus get your data
21:16<vook>SafeSurf: if you are openly sharing a network connection - yes all unencrypted data is available.
21:16<SafeSurf>i dont really send important data on this internet connection...
21:17<nooon>which filesystems are better nowadays? ext3, ext2, jfs or xfs?
21:17<SafeSurf>my problem is my passwords...
21:17<chealer>SafeSurf: you must mean the packets
21:17<nooon>all good or do some cope better with failures?
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21:18<ml|>SafeSurf: that is a bad idea, tell that guy to use wpa for your safety and his networks
21:18<foxes>how can I split avi with subtitles together?
21:19<SafeSurf>no, my passwords. I dont care if he see what im using on this connection, like sites or whatever,
21:19<vook>nooon: find the filesystem to suite your needs. Each caters to a different audience.
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21:19<SafeSurf>i just care about: Can he discover my login and password, so hack my email?
21:20<locsmif>voipzapperw, maybe the guys over at #bittorrent on Freenode know the answer, or otherwise in #azureus or #azureus-support (same network)
21:20<ml|>SafeSurf: your taking a risk connecting to his network
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21:21<voipzapperw>locsmif: thanks very much. i'll check it it out.
21:21<SafeSurf>ok... i know, i told that i dont send/get important data here...
21:21<SafeSurf>i just care about someone steal my email/messenger accounts...
21:22<vook>SafeSurf: It depends on the protocol, how you connect.
21:22<SafeSurf>on Webmails https
21:23<SafeSurf>on messengers, i dont know... i dont know how to see it on emesene
21:24<vook>SafeSurf: When in doubt, use a packet sniffer such as wireshark. You can click start (log into messenger) click stop. Then analyse the captured data.
21:24<ml|>yes, what about before then? and your data? iirc there is an new ssl vulnerability, anyways good luck
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21:25<SafeSurf>data stored on PC that i dont use on this lan are in trouble?
21:27<SafeSurf>(i never send/get important data on this computer, i just use it for fun. Important data i see on my University Lan, i just use my home lan for fun.
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21:27<ml|>yes it's possible, if the pc you are using to connect to that wep, are in the same lan
21:28<SafeSurf>no shared data
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21:30<SafeSurf>if i use WPA my neighbor, that have the password, (im sharing connection with him), cant see my passwords?
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21:31<ml|>SafeSurf: once inside your lan, pretty much over unless you use a firewall on each pc in your lan
21:31<SafeSurf>Potential problem: Person that share my connection with me. Can he see my login and password?
21:31<SafeSurf>(Well im using iptables)
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21:32<ml|>with wpa not atm
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21:34<triplc>hi all. please advice a nvidia compiler guide. after upgrading to squeeze, i understand that i have to compile nvidia. found this, but it does not seem to work
21:35<ml|>triplc: /msg dpkg nvidia and use sid for yhe nvidia stuff you need
21:35<SafeSurf>i just dont understand yet. Can the person that is sharing Internet connection with me discover my password and accounts, and then hack my emails?
21:37<triplc>ml|: ok, thanks
21:37<SafeSurf>(Since he is sharing internet connection with me, he will knows the password of WPA or WEP connection that we uses)
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21:38<triplc>ml|: but i do not understand about using sid along with squeeze
21:39<ml|>wep possible, wpa not atm
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21:39<SafeSurf>ml| even if it is https?
21:39<ml|>triplc: on squeeze right?
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21:41<triplc>ml|: yes.
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21:41<ml|>SafeSurf: i don't think so, but they can for sure before that better safe than sorry
21:41<ml|>dpkg: tum
21:41<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
21:41<triplc>got it, the repo of squeeze does not have nvidia for 2.6.30
21:41<vook>SafeSurf: what do you mean "hack my emails"?
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21:42<SafeSurf>vook, discover my password and email adress. login on it, change password, fuck my live sending fake emails for my friends. etc
21:43<vook>ok - To hack. Hacking is a term assigned to those who literally hack at the keyboard, usually programmers (of sorts).
21:43<ml|>triplc: do the above and like i said follow the debian nvidia page, just install from sid what you need
21:43<SafeSurf>cracking my emails is ok?
21:44<vook>SafeSurf: are you concerned that some may be able to see your e-mail.
21:44<triplc>ml|: understand. (sight) i do not have experience of compiling :-((
21:44<ml|>triplc: atm what you need is only in sid
21:45<ml|>triplc: follow the wiki it's simple
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21:46<SafeSurf>vook, see isnt the problem... the problem is gain access of it
21:46<SafeSurf>of he can login on it, it will be problematic
21:46<ml|>triplc: read as many times as you need, you'll get it
21:46<triplc>ml|: ok
21:47<ml|>triplc: you need to create /etc/apt/apt.conf unless you have already
21:48<triplc>ml|: yes, thanks
21:49<ml|>SafeSurf: you'll should be safe with wep, but why take the chance
21:49<vook>SafeSurf: are you running SMTP server ?
21:49<Xenguy>wep is hardly safe
21:50<Xenguy>you need wpa2 AFAIK nowadays
21:50<ml|>Xenguy: i know have told SafeSurf plenty of times already
21:50<ml|>Xenguy: plus someone needs to target SafeSurf why the 'should be safe'
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21:50<SafeSurf>vook no, im using webmail. like
21:51<ml|>wep is terrible
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21:51<vook>SafeSurf: you are fine okay? gmail defaults to https.
21:52<SafeSurf>Xenguy, WPA isnt a choice. My Internet connection is on my condominium taxes.
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21:52<ml|>SafeSurf: well, demand for wpa!
21:52<Xenguy>SafeSurf: good luck then :-/
21:53<ml|>oh, and in a condo even worse, good luck
21:53<SafeSurf>ok, thanks, but my real question is: can i use MSN clients without risk to get my account stealed
21:53<Xenguy>SafeSurf: wep can be cracked very quickly by someone with some tools -- ml| is right, you should put pressure on whoever admins to get a safe wireless setup going
21:53<vook>SafeSurf: then add a bridge and make a new WPA network. At least then your LAN will be secure.
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21:54<SafeSurf>vook, (im poor man, im a Public University Studdent from Brazil, no money at all)
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21:55<SafeSurf>The bridge is software? can i use it without spending money?
21:56<ml|>SafeSurf: try asking your questions in channel that is more geared towards security
21:56<SafeSurf>:-D, ml| where?
21:57<ml|>ask google i have no idea
21:57<vook>SafeSurf: good tidings to the land down under.
21:58<SafeSurf>heheh, its the 1st time i said that im from Brazil and people dont pull me to #debian-br
21:58<SafeSurf>vook, are u from US?
21:58<ml|>SafeSurf: has a newsgroup read thru the archives and/0r post a question or two
21:59<vook>SafeSurf: you may join me in #debian-offtopic
21:59<ml|>SafeSurf: bacause your english is good ;)
22:00<SafeSurf>ml| thanks, i have never gone to a English school, i learn all by using internet. :D
22:00<ml|>SafeSurf: under Services
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22:01<ml|>np, even better then :)
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22:15<serverlog>quelqu'un est là? Someone is here?
22:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
22:15<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
22:16<serverlog>Ok thank you
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22:16<Hideo>serverlog: if you can ask in English, you're welcome to stay
22:16<serverlog>Yes I can.
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22:17<serverlog>I need help with debian log.
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22:17<Hideo>elaborate please
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22:18<serverlog>I want to know if it's possible with a fresh setup of debian to see in logs ping request on different port
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22:18<hombreamarillo>buenas noches a todos
22:18<Hideo>serverlog: not by default, although you could make iptables log it
22:19<ml|>dpkg: es
22:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:19<serverlog>So logicaly the syn message to are not logged
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22:20<ml|>hombreamarillo: no space
22:20<Hideo>serverlog: you mean the messages sent to your machine? No they aren't logged
22:20<hombreamarillo> /join#debian-es
22:20<Hideo>hombreamarillo: /join #debian-es
22:21<ml|>hombreamarillo: /join #debian-es no space!
22:21<Hideo>^ no space in the front
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22:21<serverlog>ok and like you say, with iptables it's possible. So do you have a good link for me to configure iptables to log the request?
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22:22<Hideo>serverlog: the iptables man page usually suffices
22:22<serverlog>I will go read it.
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22:23<twb>serverlog: #netfilter on Freenode can help you with iptables rules. You want -j LOG, I imagine. See also apt-get install iptables-persistent
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22:23<serverlog>(I know that I have to do it first normally ^^ sorry)
22:23<Hideo>serverlog: no worries =)
22:25<Hideo>serverlog: although you said something I didn't understand, you wanted to log ping, but then you said something about syn, which is tcp, and therefore a different thing to log
22:25<Hideo>serverlog: so make sure you know what you want before starting at the relevant section in the man page
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22:27<serverlog>Ok... It's because I try to send with hping syn message to the server and then log them to see how the syn flood attacks work.
22:28<serverlog>(it's a virtual server at home)
22:28<Hideo>serverlog: ok, then look into tcp section, not icmp ping, of course :P
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22:29<serverlog>Yeah it a good idea :P
22:29<serverlog>Is there a way to prevent these attacks without iptables?
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22:40<twb>serverlog: tcpwrappers?
22:40<twb>Oh, not syn flood attacks
22:40<twb>Why do you want to avoid iptables anyway?
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23:11<Smaffler>I can't set my resolution abot 800x600 :( help?
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23:12<Smaffler>I'm running lenny, kde, with the upgraded xorg from lenny-proposed-updates because of a bug in the (nvidia?) driver...or something like that.
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23:18<bike>huh, i've screwed something during copying, i cant su to root amongst others
23:18<bike>tried adding the sudoers file that was missing for some reason but that didnt seem to do it
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23:19<bike>Smaffler, do you have the nvidia-settings app?
23:19<bike>thats an easy way of having nvidia do all the typing for you =)
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23:23<Smaffler>I don't see it but I have Synaptic searching for it.
23:24<Smaffler>i found nvidia-xconfig but nothing like nvidia-settings
23:24<Smaffler>bike: and no, it's not installed. shall i?
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23:40<ml|>bike: cp'ing what?
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23:43<Smaffler>nvidia-configure broke X, had to run X -configure to fix I still can't adjust my res over 800x600
23:43<Smaffler>any ideas? :( (bike?)
23:44<Smaffler>it should be noted that sometimes after crashes, my res goes to 12??x8??. no idea why.
23:44<Smaffler>how can i force a higher resolution that I know is possible?
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23:45<serverlog>twb: I only want to know others possibilities :)
23:45<serverlog>I will look at tcpwrappers et iptables for now.
23:46<twb>Smaffler: easiest way is to downgrade to a Matrox 450
23:46<twb>Since they actually have decent FOSS drivers
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23:47<Smaffler>twb: how?
23:47<twb>Smaffler: probably go on ebay
23:48<twb>Smaffler: I think they stopped making them around 2001
23:49<Smaffler>twb: funny!
23:49<twb>The Intel GMA 9xx series is also very well supported, but that would require you to get a new motherboard.
23:51<Smaffler>twb: unfortunately, I'm unable to change my hardware. Is there another way?
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23:51<ml|>Smaffler: you can add the resolution you want that your monitor supports manually in xorg.conf or is using nvidia install nvidia-xconfig[run first, restart X] and nvidia-settings[then run this] both as root
23:51<twb>I don't know. In principle the VESA driver should work.
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23:52<ml|>if you are using the mvidia driver
23:53<ml|>you can also try ...
23:53<ml|>dpkg: xrandr
23:53<dpkg>i guess xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection.
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23:58<Smaffler>thank you ml, i tried nvidia-config and it broke X, had to run x -configure to get it working again but i'll try what you said and be back in a moment, i hope :)
23:58<Smaffler>although first i'm going to see if these manual changes did the trick. which i doubt. cause I have no idea what i'm doing. but i DID back up the conf. lol brb
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