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---Logopened Fri Sep 04 00:00:25 2009
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00:02<Smaffler>so....Here i am in my terminal...*cough*
00:02<bike>try getting the nvidia drivers from the website and get the kernel headers from apt
00:02<bike>and installl the binary blob
00:03<ml|>Smaffler: how did it go? and what i suggested above I hace done several times with no issues
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00:03<Smaffler>ok, let's come back to that in a moment, bike. first, here's what happened.
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00:03<Smaffler>as root, i ran nvidia-xconfig, restarted X and bang, terminal. and I can't seem to find (or install) any package called nvidia-settings.
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00:03<ml|>Smaffler: wait you don't have nvidia drivers installed?
00:04<Smaffler>I am almost certain that I do. I had some issues last week and had to upgrade them (lenny-proposed-updates version of xserv)
00:04<ml|>judd: versions nvidia-settings
00:04<judd>ml|: nvidia-settings -- etch/contrib: 1.0+20060516-3 lenny/contrib: 173.14.09-1 sid/contrib: 185.18.31-1 squeeze/contrib: 185.18.31-1
00:05<Smaffler>do i need to add contrib to my sources.list? Not sure it's in there. (checking)
00:05<ml|>do you have contrib, heh yup
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00:06<ml|>judd: versions nvidia-xconfig
00:06<judd>ml|: nvidia-xconfig -- etch: 1.0+20051122-2 lenny: 1.0+20080522-2 sid: 1.0+20080522-2 squeeze: 1.0+20080522-2
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00:06<Smaffler>i don't think it's in there. can you remind me of where it is so i can find and edit? In fact, give me the terminal edit command, too.
00:06<bike>huh, xvncserver doesnt create a port
00:07<bike>this install seems a bit miked
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00:07<ml|>Smaffler: aptitude show nvidia-glx says?
00:08<ml|>dpkg: contrib
00:08<dpkg>[contrib] Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [etch|lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list. Also ask me about <non-free>.
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00:08<Smaffler>nvidia-glx says....that it's not found.
00:08<ml|>Smaffler: you may want to add non-free also
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00:09<KasDra>Please help me. Is the problem Ati Legacy + 2.6.30 problem solved?
00:10<ml|>Smaffler: you need non-free to use nvidia drivers it look like you don't have nvidia drivers installed /msg dpkg nvidia for that
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00:11<KasDra>i have a X1200 ATI card and the kernel 2.6.30 from Squeeze Repositories, im having some error. There are any solution for this problem?
00:11<ml|>after installing nvidia drivers then try what i suggested above or follow the wiki page dpkg will tell you good luck
00:11<CaWCaW>speak french?
00:11<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
00:11<Smaffler>i got distracted by someone nearby. reading back.
00:12<bike>huh, weird, no port 5901 or anything vncserver when i do netstat
00:12<ml|>but if you speak english well, you can ask here
00:12<Smaffler>shit, i can't. (irssi). uhm....wanna give me the addresses/lines to add?
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00:12<ml|>Smaffler: just read up
00:13<Smaffler>that's what i meant by I can't. can't scroll up. am in terminal irc program, no mouse, no scrollbars...
00:13*Smaffler facepalms
00:13<KasDra>Anyone knows about the problem fglrx + kernel 2.6.30 (legacy GPU case)
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00:15<ml|>KasDra: if someone knows they will answer be patient you might need to wait a bit, re-ask your question in a bit if know one does
00:15<Smaffler>kk. uh, need one more thing. not exactly a master of the terminal so finding things, it doesn't work so good for me...i can do basic navigation though. where is sources list?
00:15<Smaffler>Also, again, how do i edit it from the terminal?
00:16<ml|> /etc/apt/sources.list
00:16<ml|>Smaffler: what editor do you know/use?
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00:16<Smaffler>ml: in kde, i use kwrite/kedit or textedit. none of which appear to work in terminal
00:16<ml|>ok, try nano
00:17<ml|>btw, they don't work cause those are X apps
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00:18<Smaffler>ml: that's what i figured. thx, nano works. editing. c u soon.
00:19<ml|>after adding contrib and non-free do aptitude update
00:19<ml|>then try what i suggested above
00:20<ml|>np, good luck bbiab
00:20<KasDra>Anyone knows about the problem fglrx + kernel 2.6.30 (legacy GPU case)?
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00:20<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
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00:22<Smaffler>alright, i got the lines added and aptitude show nvidia-glx still says "not a real package"
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00:23<Smaffler>oh, wait, just read further advice
00:24<Smaffler>ok. dpkg gave me a link i can't follow. but am working on adding the nonfree lines.
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00:27<KasDra>ml| can i repeat from 10 to 10 minutes?
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00:29<Smaffler>alright. ml: i now get a pagelong list of results when i punch in aptitude show nvidia-glx, after adding contrib and non-free.
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00:29<Smaffler>apt-get install nvidia-settings? nvidia-glx? er....<.<...what?
00:30<Smaffler>bike: thx. brb
00:30<Smaffler>30 mb download started.
00:31<Smaffler>dum dee after i install this, i'll want to run nvidia-xconfig again, then nvidia-settings or just nvidia-settings?
00:31<Smaffler>(download done. damn that was fast)
00:33<Smaffler>nvm, it's separate...also installing nvidia-settings now.
00:34<Smaffler>for god's sake would someone tell me how to break up these 18 screens of output so i can read them?
00:35<ml|>Smaffler: you should follow the debian wiki on installing the nvidia driver /msg dpkg nvidia
00:35<Smaffler>i messaged him, he linked me, and as far as I know, I do not have a text-based browser.
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00:36<Smaffler>ml: thank you for your help. (brb)
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00:36<ml|>you should have w3m
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00:49<jhr>rsync -arlp --progress /mnt/sda2 root@new-server:/mnt/sda2 running. old system's sda2 has 145GB with 109GB used. new system now has 175GB used and rsync is still running. does that make any sense to you?
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00:52<ml|>jhr: was there stuff already on new server?
00:52<jhr>I ran a mkfs.ext3 right before that
00:53<twb>I have a "SheevaPlug" (an embedded ARM server) that apparently has a USB serial console port.
00:53<ml|>hmm. are you sure it's showing 175GB used?
00:53<twb>I connect it to my Debian box and dmesg tells me: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB0
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00:53<twb>But if I do "screen /dev/ttyUSB0", I get gibberish instead of text.
00:53<jhr>/dev/sda3 682G 174G 474G 27% /mnt/sda3
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00:56<dondelelcaro>twb: are you using the right baud rate?
00:56<ml|>jhr: does not make sense, try with --del option, also you can remove the -r , -a already does that can also try -n to do a dry run
00:57<jhr>ml|: I cannot stop and restart after 9 hours of copying without good reason. this is a production system that should have been moved by now
00:57<dondelelcaro>twb: apparently, you need screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200; but I'm not certain about that
00:57<ml|>jhr: oh
00:58<jhr>damnit, I hate calling my boss in the morning
00:58<ml|>jhr: maybe somoene else might have a bright idea
00:59<jhr>this someone may now speak
00:59<ml|>heh :)
01:00<dondelelcaro>jhr: how exactly are you measuring the space used on the drive?
01:00<dondelelcaro>oh, nevermind; I was seeing mnt as dev
01:00<ml|>i know when i did my last rsync of about 60GB it took my older machine, ~9 hours
01:00<twb>dondelelcaro: thanks, that was my next step
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01:01<twb>I'm actually very impressed that serial over USB worked *at all*
01:01<jhr>ml|: telling from the time used until now and my experience with this server I damn hope it's 175GB :-P
01:02<dondelelcaro>jhr: but anyway, the most likely reason is that you've got stuff on /mnt/sda2 already; have you examined the output and the contents on disk?
01:02<ml|>he said he made the fs right before
01:03<dondelelcaro>jhr: also, the options you're specifying are kind of silly; you can just use -aP
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01:03<jhr>dondelelcaro: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda3 should have cleaned it up, and yes, df -h was pretty clear before
01:03<jhr>dondelelcaro: yep, noticed that, but it shouldn't make a difference, should it?
01:03<dondelelcaro>jhr: no, it won't; it's just wasted typing
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01:04<ml|>Smaffler: how is it going?
01:05<Smaffler>ml: uhm....I'm attempting to keep up with the wiki. i just hit a stumbling block, do i run a script? .sh file
01:05<Smaffler>(btw, after running nvidia-xconfig my resolution has been reduced to 640x480.....)
01:05<ml|>hmm, the wiki does not mention running a .sh
01:06<Smaffler>it mentions, which it links to
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01:07<Smaffler>perhaps not absolutely necessary though...uhm, here: at the end of the paragraph before "install the kernel module"
01:07<dondelelcaro>jhr: but anyway, your command looks fine, everything should be transfering. [You're not using -x option, so you *might* be traversing filesystems... but it'd be kind of rare to have bind mounts and other things going on]
01:07<ml|>Smaffler: btw, that's fine you'll fix it latter with nvidia-settings
01:07<dondelelcaro>jhr: the other thing is you may have significant numbers of hard links, which could also be skewing things
01:07<Smaffler>ml: nods. hoping so.
01:07<Smaffler>ml: link ^^
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01:08<jhr>dondelelcaro: no bind mounts in /mnt/sda2
01:08<ml|>yes, hard tend to do that
01:08<ml|>*hard links
01:09<jhr>okay, any way to check on that?
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01:10<dondelelcaro>jhr: find /mnt/hda2 -type f -printf '%n %p\n'|grep -v '^1 '; is one method.
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01:11<ml|>Smaffler: i search for .sh and but i get nothing
01:11<Smaffler><.< I'm staring right at, i'll paste a tidbit
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01:12<jhr>dondelelcaro: and what would be a significant number?
01:13<Smaffler>ml: search for "this script, which will"
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01:13<jhr>and honestly I don't see why that would make rsync double the copy volume
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01:14<ml|>Smaffler: you don't have to do that what card do you have?
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01:15<Smaffler>ml: i decided to move past that bit, anyway. i have G70 (GeForce 7800 GS)
01:16<ml|>Smaffler: see your card is supported ...
01:16<Smaffler>ml: *nods* I found it there.
01:16<Smaffler>i'm about to move to step 3
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01:17<Smaffler>ok, looks like i already completed step 3, in part. going to do it again anyway
01:18<ml|>Smaffler: take your time and read it carefully
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01:19<Smaffler>ml: it reminded me that i have the latest version. and yes, i'm paying attention, not just skipping through.
01:19<ml|>Smaffler: btw are you on lenny?
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01:21<Smaffler>ml: yes
01:21<ml|>judd: nvidia-glx
01:21<judd>ml|: Error: "nvidia-glx" is not a valid command.
01:21<ml|>judd: versions nvidia-glx
01:21<judd>ml|: nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 185.18.36-1
01:22<ml|>your fine :)
01:24<Smaffler>manually editing the conf
01:25<voipzapperw>i'm very confused
01:26<voipzapperw>i went and found a new version of transmission torrent client
01:26<voipzapperw>the one debian stable (Lenny?) likes is 1.22
01:26<Smaffler>everything matches. no edit necessary.
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01:26<voipzapperw>the newest one is 1.74
01:26<Smaffler>aww <3 transmission
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01:27<voipzapperw>so, i found it on the site, and i edited the sources.list file to point to the "sid main"
01:27<voipzapperw>part of the repository as well
01:27<voipzapperw>then, when i go into synaptic, it want to install, remove, replace TONS and TONS
01:28<voipzapperw>of files that don't seem to be related at all.
01:28<voipzapperw>me = confused
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01:30<Smaffler>voidzapperw: if the transmission client upgrade is what you're after, avoid upgrading or updating anything else. after you update it, remove the sid lines from your sources.list
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01:30<Smaffler>do you understand the difference between lenny and sid?
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01:31<jm_>the fact that you are confused means you should immediately remove the entries for sid from sources.list
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01:33<Smaffler>restarting X. wish me luck!
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01:33<twb>Someone tell that boy to run irssi in screen
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01:33<ml|>he's busy trying to get nvidia to work
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01:34<Smaffler>ml: crap. X works. but I still can't change my screen resolution.
01:34<Smaffler>well, I can, actually. if I want, i can select 320x240. -_-
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01:34<ml|>did you try what i suggested before?
01:35<Smaffler>ml: i'm not sure. you suggested a lot. would you care to refresh me? beginning after installing the nvidia drivers, please. I promise I've been listening.
01:36<Smaffler>or i wouldn't have gotten this much done xD
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01:37<jm_>try to manually specify the mode you want to use in xorg.conf
01:38<jm_>nvidia driver will also log all the details about modes (uses DDC for this) in the X logfile
01:38<Smaffler>I would, but I don't know how. I don't see anything intelligible that I know?
01:38<ml|>Smaffler: install nvidia-xconfig[run first, restart X] and nvidia-settings[then run this and select the resolution you want, make sure you click on Save to X Configuration File] both as root
01:39<Smaffler>ml: ah, yes, that bit. forgot about that because i tried it earlier. (If I find myself back in the terminal again you are COMING to my house)
01:39<Smaffler>jm_: I'll try that after this. I just can't make enough sense out of the config file (which i haven't checked since installing drivers) to be able to modify it and say "this!"
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01:43<Smaffler>ml: did what you said. still have a problem. nvidia-settings won't let me change my res above 640x480.
01:43<Smaffler>in other words, everything still working, nothing broken.....still can't increase res.
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01:43<Smaffler>gonna see if i can make heads or tails of xorg.conf....*grabs hammer* and edit it.
01:44<ml|>hmm, seems xorg not seeing your monitor's supported resolutions, you need to do it manually
01:45<Smaffler>here's what i see in the xorg.conf file. a bunch of these under section Screen: SubSection "Display"
01:45<Smaffler> Viewport 0 0
01:45<Smaffler> Depth 4
01:45<Smaffler> EndSubSection
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01:45<ml|>Smaffler: try /msg dpkg xrandr or what jm_ suggested
01:45<Smaffler>SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 EndSubSection
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01:45<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
01:45<ml|>*try what
01:46<Smaffler>jm_ do you know how I would enter the screen resolutions in the conf file?
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01:46<jm_>Smaffler: sure, jus twait a few minutes
01:47<Smaffler>i have to go in about 5 :( will you memoserv it to me? Also, you could e-mail
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01:48<Smaffler>thx gtg\
01:49<ml|>Smaffler: it's not hard good luck
01:50<Hideo>!beer ml|
01:50*dpkg pours a litre of Piraat for ml|
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01:50<ml|>Hideo: thanks :)
01:53<voipzapperw>Smaffler: well, i tried to just upgrade the transmission client, but all kinds of unrelated things want to be updated
01:53<voipzapperw>jm_: well, i am not THAT confused. ;-)
01:54<ml|>voipzapperw: what release?
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01:54<voipzapperw>i haven't done the upgrade yet, just letting it tell me what it thinks i should do
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01:54<jm_>voipzapperw: you shouldn't install stuff from sid for this, check if it's on backports or backport it manually
01:54<voipzapperw>ml|: release of transmission? 1.74/3 compared to 1.22 which is installed from Lenny
01:55<twb>In /etc/modeprobe.d/blacklist, what is the difference between "blacklist usb-storage" and "install usb-storage /bin/true"?
01:55<ml|>look at what jm_ just said
01:55<ml|>voipzapperw: ^^
01:56<ml|>not a good idea to mix stable with testing or sid
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01:56<voipzapperw>jm_: i'm not sure if i am qualified to do that yet, but... learn, leanr, learn
01:56<jm_>twb: whenever people try to use the "blacklist" keyword it usually fails to blacklist it, using install ... /bin/true makes it work
01:56<twb>jm_: where are the semantics documented?
01:56<ml|>voipzapperw: /msg dpkg bpo and ssb
01:56<jm_>voipzapperw: it's not as hard as it appears since you would use debian source packages
01:57<jm_>twb: man modprobe.conf
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01:57<voipzapperw>another debian forum suggested that i just d/l the package and dpkg -i it
01:58<ml|>why? follow dpkg suggestions
01:58<voipzapperw>i was thinking that i might just scrap what i've got and install sid from scratch.
01:58<twb>jm_: what I'm doing is also rm'ing the associated .ko file, in case the user gets root (it's basically a kiosk system). Does that sound like overkill to you?
01:58<voipzapperw>there is nothing on the debian box except a lenny i just setup a few days ago
01:59<dpkg>methinks sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
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02:00<ga_bash>hello guys..
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02:01<ml|>voipzapperw: btw you don't install sid you move to sid
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02:02<jm_>twb: naah
02:02<twb>Ha! It seems that blacklisting usb-storage didn't actually do anything.
02:03<twb>jm_: my huge fear is that if someone "apt-get dist-upgrade"s, they might get a newer kernel and USB keys suddenly work
02:03<twb>FSVO someone = another admin
02:03<ga_bash>hey guys... I am not able to log in as root. Can anyone help?
02:03<ga_bash>I am using debian lenny. 5.0.0
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02:04<ga_bash>I booted with the parameter init=/bin/sh and modified the /etc/shadow
02:04<ga_bash>removed the second field.
02:04<ga_bash>still it asks for the password. what to do. ... anyone guys. ?
02:05<twb>ga_bash: you need to remove the second field in /etc/passwd, that will make you have a null root password
02:05<jm_>twb: hmm can't one have hook scripts for kernels built via make-kpkg in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf?
02:05<ga_bash>twb, i did the same.
02:05<twb>jm_: oops, mea culpa.
02:05<jm_>twb: make that kernel-img.conf
02:05<twb>jm_: and yeah, that's a good idea
02:05<voipzapperw>ml|: i was/might reformat that box.
02:06<ga_bash>twb, but still it asks for the password wen I tried to log in as root.
02:06<twb>ga_bash: passwd /= shadow
02:06<voipzapperw>done it twice before with increasingly better results
02:06<voipzapperw>learn, learn, learn
02:06<ml|>voipzapperw: ok, good luck
02:06<voipzapperw>just have a bunch of spare computers
02:06<ga_bash>twb password would be shadow?
02:06<jm_>ga_bash: why can't you login as root? what did you do to the system to achieve this?
02:07<jm_>ga_bash: and how do you login?
02:07<voipzapperw>might just install sid on a different machine for comparative purposes
02:07<ga_bash>jm_, my root password has changed somehow
02:07<jm_>ga_bash: by badgers?
02:07<ga_bash>jm_, no idea
02:07<ml|>heh, ninjas
02:09<ga_bash>twb, twb> ga_bash: passwd /= shadow ???
02:09<twb>ga_bash: I told you to edit /etc/passwd, not /etc/shadow
02:09<ga_bash>twb, in /etc/shadow the second field is "x"
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02:10<ga_bash>sorry in /etc/passwd the second field is "x"
02:10<ga_bash>twb, in shadow the second field is some junk string starting $1$
02:10<jm_>ga_bash: note that if you login via PAM it doesn't allow empty passwords by default (it works for tty-s listed in securetty)
02:11<jm_>that is not an empty password
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02:11<twb>ga_bash: it does not matter what is in /etc/shadow. You must delete that "x" from /etc/passwd.
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02:11<ga_bash>jm_, oh then how to go about it.
02:11<jm_>ga_bash: twb already told you several times
02:12<twb>jm_: I assume since he's editing grub's APPEND list to include init=/bin/sh, he is on a securetty
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02:12<twb>Hmm, bad example
02:12<ga_bash>twb, yes
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02:13<ga_bash>twb, so I remove the x. and then I can log into without password.?
02:13<twb>ga_bash: OK, ignore everything I've said up until now
02:13<ga_bash>twb, all right.
02:13<twb>ga_bash: I was wrong, I'm looking at a system with null passwords, and in /etc/passwd it should be "x" and in /etc/shadow it should be empty ("").
02:13<ga_bash>twb, thats what I have done.
02:14<ga_bash>twb, but it still asks for the password. when I try to log in as root
02:14<twb>ga_bash: now when you boot into single-user mode, it should say "press enter to perform recovery as root" or similar
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02:14<twb>ga_bash: empty passwords won't work with screen, gdm, ssh, etc.
02:14<ga_bash>twb, ok
02:15<ga_bash>twb, after booting in the single user mode. ?
02:16<twb>ga_bash: what about it?
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02:17<ga_bash>twb, all right I would try that.
02:17<ga_bash>twb, thanks.
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02:17<jm_>they will work with ssh/gdm/... too if you edit PAM conf files
02:18<ga_bash>jm_, but without root password I cant change any configuration files.
02:19<damwan>I suspect this isn't the best place to ask, so a good query for Google or a pointer into TFM would be great. I'm connecting to a WEP-protected 802.11b/g network with madwifi and wpa_supplicant, but dhclient can't get an address and iwconfig tells me I'm connected by 802.11a
02:19<damwan>where is the a/b/g choice even made? I can't find any mention of it in the wpa_supplicant or iwconfig man pages
02:19<jm_>ga_bash: sure, that's why you use init=/bin/bash
02:20<ga_bash>jm_, one more question: at the init shell prompt. I cant use the commands "passwd" . how to go about that . I already mounted the /
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02:23<jm_>ga_bash: why can't you use the command?
02:23<ga_bash>jm_, it says command not found.
02:23<valdyn>ga_bash: its not in the initrd, duh
02:23<ga_bash>when i issue passwd
02:24<jm_>ga_bash: are you using debian kernels?
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02:24<ga_bash>jm_, i am using the default kernel that shipped with debian lenny.
02:24<dpkg>1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
02:24<valdyn>ga_bash: ^^
02:24<jm_>ga_bash: right, see above
02:26<ga_bash>jm_, I did mount -n -o remount,rw /
02:26<ga_bash>jm_, but still the other commands were working except the passwd.
02:27<jm_>ga_bash: that is weird, do you have /usr/bin/passwd?
02:28<ga_bash>jm_, sure. its there. :)
02:28<jm_>ga_bash: then try to execute it
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02:29<ga_bash>jm_, it works i have done it many times in the past. :)
02:29<jm_>ga_bash: no I mean do it when booted like that
02:29<ga_bash>jm_, all right be right back then . thanks. jm_ .. thanks valdyn
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02:33<Gun_Smoke>I'm pulling my hair out trying to get a dialup connection going.
02:33<Smaffler>back. jm_ thanks, i'll try this now
02:35<Gun_Smoke>lspci -v doesn't list the modem.
02:35<Smaffler>cd //
02:35<Smaffler>sry wrong window
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02:37<Gun_Smoke>How might I go about finding the chipset of this modem on a T61?
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02:41<jm_>maybe it does but it's one of those combined cards, i.e. sound card and modem in one
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02:43<Smaffler>here's the screen section of my xorg.conf file. after these edits, it hasn't changed anything :(
02:44<Smaffler>my resolution is still 640x480 and i can't increase it
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02:48<Smaffler>going to try X -configure. cause why not? brb
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02:56<ga_bash>jm_, dint work
02:56<jm_>!doesn't work
02:56<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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02:57<Smaffler>nothin. :(
02:57<ga_bash>jm_, I mounted the / but /usr did not have any files. It was empty
02:57<jm_>ga_bash: you have a separate /usr mount point?
02:57<jm_>Smaffler: you want to look in xorg logfile
02:57<ga_bash>jm_, I tried to mount /usr separately also.
02:58<ga_bash>jm_, yes I have a separate usr mount point on my 5th partition. sorry
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02:58<ga_bash>jm_, i did mount -o remount,rw /usr
02:58<ga_bash>before that I did umount /usr
02:59<ga_bash>jm_, i have like /dev/sda5 on /usr type ext3 (rw)
02:59<ga_bash>jm_, how to mount the /usr partition..
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03:00<Smaffler>jm_ alright. i'm in the log. i see loads of info about resolutions that are out of range and i see where it set these super sucky ranges.
03:00<Smaffler>*resolutions, w/e
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03:02<jm_>Smaffler: put it on a pastebin site
03:02<jm_>ga_bash: ok so do the same for all other partitions that need mounting and try again
03:03<jm_>ga_bash: mount -a would probably be enough, but don't forget to umount before you reboot
03:04<ga_bash>jm_, i tried mount -o remount,rw /usr
03:05<ga_bash>jm_, but still /usr was empty.
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03:05<jm_>ga_bash: you need to find out why mount of /usr fails - it should be enough to just say "mount /usr" since you have it in fstab, i.e. check dmesg after you run mount
03:06<ga_bash>jm_, mount -a would mount all the partitions so I would try that.
03:06<ga_bash>jm_, thanks. once again
03:06<ga_bash>jm_, I would try that.
03:06<ga_bash>jm_, be right back.
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03:08<jm_>Smaffler: you are using nv driver, not nvidia
03:08<Smaffler>jm_ alrighty. let me see if i can find and fix that
03:09<jm_>Section "Device" \n ... \n Driver "nvidia" \n ... EndSection
03:09*Smaffler nods
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03:10<Smaffler>jm_ changed. restarting x
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03:16<Gun_Smoke>How else might I find out why I can seem to locate what modem this t61 has onboard?
03:16<ga_bash>jm_, hi
03:17<ga_bash>jm_, I ws able to mount /usr this time 2. i logged in as root(worked) 3. i was able to issue passwd
03:17<ga_bash>jm_, but then the error read -> passwd: Authentication token lock busy
03:19<jm_>ga_bash: that is pretty much always a result of something being mounted ro
03:19<ga_bash>jm_, but I mounted the / rw
03:19<jm_>ga_bash: how about other stuff, like /tmp? or /var?
03:19<ga_bash>passwd is in /
03:20<ga_bash>jm_, dint quite check them.
03:20<ga_bash>jm_, they never reported anything
03:20<jm_>ga_bash: yeah you'll get subtle errors like that
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03:21<ga_bash>jm_, lets say I did mount -o remount,rw /
03:21<ga_bash>then mount /usr
03:21<ga_bash>and then the passwd.
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03:22<Smaffler>still stuck. posting log.
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03:23<jm_>ga_bash: just do it for all local mount points
03:23<ga_bash>jm_, (phew) thanks buddy I will try again.. just tell me buddy plz is there anything else that I need to pay attention to apart from that :)
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03:24<ga_bash>jm_, if I log in as root and then issue mount -a , then wouldnt i get the rw for all the partitions. ??
03:24<jm_>ga_bash: I think that should be enough
03:25<ga_bash>jm_, how to go about doing it for all local mounts.
03:25<jm_>ga_bash: I would expect that you would, yes, as long as they are in fstab - but it might be different if you use say encrypted partitions or similar stuff (MD comes to mind)
03:25<ga_bash>jm_, i understand your point :)
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03:28<jm_>did you use my xorg.conf sample directly? you're supposed to modify it to suit your hardware
03:29<jm_>NVIDIA(GPU-0): Unable to read EDID for display device CRT-1
03:29<jm_>you should specify what monitor can do in section, well, Monitor
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03:32<Smaffler>jm_: can you give me an example of how I would specify what it can do? (when i find out...which i'm working on, since I don't actually know. I only know it's displayed much higher resolutions and the dropdown box was quite long once.
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03:34<jm_>that option thing is not needed
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03:34<jm_>those are horizontal and vertical ranges - horizontal is typically specified in kHz, vertical in Hz
03:34<Smaffler>jm_ okay, was about to ask. so that's all?
03:34*Smaffler nods
03:34<jm_>Smaffler: hopefully ;)
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03:36<Smaffler>jm_ can I ballpark it from refresh rates i've seen it display?
03:36<Smaffler>jm_ no, no nvm.
03:36<jm_>Smaffler: I wouldn't
03:36*Smaffler flips monitor around and looks for model number. bbs :)
03:37<jm_>although modern monitors would have protection against it, but still
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03:40<buffoon_work>hi! I have a spam filter in here and I'd like to configure, that it tests on the other mail server at the end point if the e-mail address is valid. It should work like this: an e-mail comes in, when it gets the rcpt to message, postfix should test that with a SMTP conversation to the exchange server if the recipient is valid (also the rcpt to command) and then give the proper response to the real conversation
03:40<buffoon_work>I just don't know how i should search for something. If you could give me some hints please
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03:41<Smaffler>jm_ besides product number, model, etc, i found "60/50Hz"
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03:41<jm_>buffoon_work: try #postfix on freenode as well
03:41<jm_>Smaffler: my bet is that's for its power cable :)
03:41<buffoon_work>well, that's maybe the better place yes... thx
03:42<jm_>i.e. it would say AC 110-240V, 50-60Hz, x.y A
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03:45<Smaffler>jm_ oh hey, i even found dot pitch.
03:45<jm_>Smaffler: that's bandwith in MHz, right?
03:46<jm_>ahh no idiot, it's dot size :P
03:46<jm_>i am just concentratin on pysol too much, need to improve my score after this morning session
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03:47<Smaffler> is that right or a load of crap?
03:47<jm_>yup looks OK
03:48<Smaffler>awesome. i'll add the appropriate stuffs into xorg.conf.
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03:50<sprok>how do i check which version of debian i have? (lenny, squeezy etc)
03:50<jm_>!tell sprok -about debian version
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03:52<Smaffler>ctrl+alt+backspace restarts X right?
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03:53<Smaffler>jm_ or should I just do a full restart? takes forever....when you add up the 14 of them tonight...
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03:53<Smaffler>sorry, moment of dyslexia...i mean 41....xD
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03:56<jm_>Smaffler: you don't need to reboot, simply restart your DM
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03:57<jmarsden>sprok: lsb_release -d
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04:09<Smaffler1>jm_ ml|: thanks for the help! all fixed.
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04:10<jm_>Smaffler1: np
04:11<Smaffler1>the ranges on that page were WAYYYY off, by the way. the monitor told me the frequencies and that it couldn't display them, so i trimmed them down and it was good to go. I THOUGHT 160 seemed ridiculous, and it was. as it turns out, 85 was high.
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04:11<Smaffler1>i'm outta here, t/c guys.....and can anyone tell me how to go straight to the terminal in case i don't WANT to let the desktop managers boot?
04:12<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
04:12<jm_>the last one - *dm will give up after N attempts to start X fail, you just need to wait (well if you're lucky and something doesn't hang)
04:13<Smaffler1>so there is no way, no magical key combination, during boot, that says "just go to the console"?
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04:13<jm_>there is, boot in single user mode
04:13<Smaffler1>that does it? ok, thanks :) hadn't tried it previously.
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04:50<sprok>jmarsden, lsb_release -d says i have lenny, while cat /etc/debian_version says i have squeeze/sid
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04:51<jmarsden>Then you started with lenny and partially updated it with stuff from "squeeze/sid", I would think.
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04:53<sprok>jmarsden, i forgot the command to fully upgrade
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04:54<sprok> apt-get dist-upgrade ?
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04:55<jmarsden>Yes, once you have your sources.list updated.
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04:58<themill>You might want to "/msg dpkg why aptitude"
04:58<gsimmons>damwan: WRT madwifi, the device's modulation is set via private ioctls, see (default is autoselect). Try connecting without wpa_supplicant.
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05:20<daplumpkin>does anyone know if debian has compatibility issues with the core i7?
05:20<daplumpkin>i jsut got a new computer and want to switch over from ubuntu
05:22<koollman>it's just another i386-compatible cpu
05:22<koollman>no compat issue
05:22<daplumpkin>will the visual effects be affected?
05:23<daplumpkin>i have a GeForce GTX 260
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05:56<K4>Hello! To install different PPD files for CUPS in Lenny one should install foomatic-db package. But in Squeeze it doesn't contain PPD files, only XML. Where are they now?
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05:58<jm_>K4: why don't you search for ppd then?
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06:01<K4>jm_: I'd like to make clear one thing - to print on sime printer I need only PPD files, XML files from foomatic-db are unnecessary? I'll configure printer by hand with localhost:631, do I need foomatic-db package in Squeeze?
06:01<jm_>K4: to be honest I can't answer your question, I am still using Lenny on systems where I am using CUPS - did you try searching for ppd files with apt-file?
06:02<jm_>K4: in CUPS it was always possible to use just a PPD file and add a printer with lpadmin
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06:03<K4>jm_: Yeah, I found them in openprinting-ppds. The problem is that I don't know now if foomatic-db is required in Squeeze for full printer support or not.
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06:04<jm_>K4: check what cupsys depends on/recommends
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06:06<K4>jm_: cups recommends foomatic-filters , foomatic-filters recommends foomatic-db-engine , foomatic-db-engine requires foomatic-db :)
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06:10<jm_>K4: doesn't make me any wiser then
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06:26<penguin>hi )
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07:11<bcochofel>can anyone give me an spotify account?
07:11<petemc>this is a debian support channel
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07:12<am1>hi to all,which package is require to get option of extraction using right click on archive?
07:12<petemc>thats a guess
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07:24<fanuc98>I just installed debian for the the first time. I am having an issue running synaptic (I can use apt-get, but prefer to browse in gui for software I do not know about).
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07:27<fanuc98> There is a screenshot of the error msg. If anyone knows how to fix this issue, I would be sincerely appreciative
07:27<False_Chicken>why is it that when I try to install qt4 dev tools it tries to et me to uninstall xserver?
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07:28<jm_>False_Chicken: try aptitude why/why-not
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07:28<jm_>fanuc98: are you running it as root?
07:29<fanuc98>Thank you.
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07:29<fanuc98>LMAO, Sorry, forgive the Ubuntu in me... :/
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07:29<jm_>no I was just thinking (never used it) that it might work as aptitude - you start it as user and then when it needs to do something as root it will ask you for the password
07:30<False_Chicken>it says nothing about x but when I use synaptic under things to be removed it has everything x uses including x itself
07:30<jm_>then check conflicts: field for that package
07:30<fanuc98>I see. Hmm, yes, I did type in my root pwd....gave the error msg about not having mkdir for configuration...
07:31<False_Chicken>it says it only conflicts with stuff from qt3
07:31<False_Chicken>but it tries to uninstall anyway
07:31<False_Chicken>and i kinda like x >.>
07:31<fanuc98>E: ERROR: could not create configuration directory /home/root/.synaptic - mkdir (2 No such file or directory) "is the specific msg."
07:32<jm_>which version of qt4 tools is that?
07:32<jm_>yeah it would be /root for root user
07:33<fanuc98>Ok, that is another issue I noticed. When I went into my term and typed su - I don't have a /root dir, it redirected me to /.... If I "mkdir /root" would that fix this issue or could I break something?
07:33<prahal>hi how could one find build reverse dependencies of a package ?
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07:36<False_Chicken>it also wants to get rid of my nvidia drivers..... what?
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07:37<jm_>fanuc98: try
07:37<fanuc98> But I do have a root directory?! Is this a bug?
07:37<fanuc98>KK, ty
07:37<jm_>wonder why your root user is hosed though
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07:38<fanuc98>This is a fresh install....I have no clue. :/
07:38<jm_>bleh, p.d.o doesn't list conflicts:
07:38<jm_>what does 'getent passwd root' list?
07:39<fanuc98>That worries me more then synaptic. I did change my pwrd from what I set when I installed lenny, though.
07:39<fanuc98>I'll check.
07:39<jm_>that is wrong, it should be /root - are you using Debian?
07:40<fanuc98>Yes. I just installed with the minimal netinstall cd from the site. The last imagebin is of my desktop, if that helps any.
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07:41<jm_>ok that suggestion should help you, alternatively it can be done using usermod etc.
07:41<fanuc98>Ok, thanks again.
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07:43<fanuc98>That is odd that it did that, but it seems to work now.
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07:55<senno>is anybody here
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07:57<fanuc98>If you need help, it is usually best to just pose your question and wait.
07:58<senno>o ,i just want to get the commands on irssi
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08:00<noflash>senno, ?
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08:01<fanuc98>If I copy my old .mozilla file over from a backup to my home drive, will it be kosher with iceweasel?
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08:02<jm_>fanuc98: depends, it creates random name for a new profile
08:03<fanuc98>kk. Thanks. First I have to figure out how to mount a ntfs file system....but that shouldn't be too hard.
08:05<jm_>!tell fanuc98 -about ntfs
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08:06<fanuc98>But what if I completely write over the hidden dir with my old dir? Thanks. :)
08:07<jm_>what hidden dir?
08:07<fanuc98>in /home
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08:07<jm_>ahh all of it? then it will probably work, but I would backup current one first
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08:08<fanuc98>Nod. Thanks.... I'm reading on ntfs and am wondering if it will cause issues if it is an external usb drive...
08:09<jm_>not usually
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08:16<fanuc98>That was easy enough, just a couple files via apt-get. Thanks jm_
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08:16<Tuplad>how can I change my account's password?
08:16<adb>passwd ?
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08:51<darcy>is there any way to recover files from an ext4 partition that got cloned from a smaller disk to a bigger one by an incompetent tech guy using norton ghost ?
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08:52<darcy>the partition got resized, and I don't think things went well, can't mount it and fsck is fixing errors on every inode
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08:55<vook>darcy: The outlook is dim. One can always open the data with a hexeditor -seeking files.
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08:55<axp>Hi all
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08:56<darcy>vook, yup doing that atm. Any clue as to how many inodes a 50gb partition should have ? So I know whether to keep fsck running or kill it
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08:57<jm_>df -i shall show it to you
08:57<darcy>jm_, ty
08:57<jm_>ahh fsck running so it's probably not mouned
08:58<jm_>darcy: debugs might show it too
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08:58<darcy>yup, but i'll check the number on some other part and do the math
08:59<jm_>(should be debugfs)
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09:09<domini>hi guys... I need help in connecting my Debian Lenny to the internet (Static IP not DHCP). Please help me configure my IP settings
09:09<dpkg>hello, domini
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09:10<jm_>start with man interfaces
09:10<jm_>and check the files it mentiones in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples
09:10<domini>thnx jm_
09:11<domini>i'll try it...
09:11<domini>i just want to know 1 thing. Can I edit the interfaces file as a user?
09:12<domini>hmm... k
09:12<jm_>well you can load it, but not write it
09:12<domini>i'll try hacking to static IP. I'll come bak if i hv probs...
09:13<jm_>if this is for static IP with PPP see pppoe docs
09:13<jm_>it tells you what to put in interfaces file
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09:15<domini>how did u knw the path to the examples?
09:17<rimvis>how install xen on debian?
09:18<jm_>domini: man page mentions it, /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> is often worth checking
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09:57<voipzapperw>is there a routers forum somewhere here?
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09:58<petemc>theres #lartc
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10:00<voipzapperw>petemc: thanks. i am not all that familiar with irc. how do you see the list of channels on a server?
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10:01<petemc>voipzapperw: you can, but doing so can mean you get kicked off the server for flooding
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10:02<voipzapperw>petemc: is there a way to do it in a / m s g type request?
10:02<petemc>the command is /list
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10:03<voipzapperw>petemc: i just asked dpkg about join and it gave me useful info in a separate tab
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10:06<pawel>what are qt options?
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10:19<bja>How do i make epiphany stop complaining about "Accept incorrect security information?" for a personal testing server?
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10:29<bcochofel>can I do losetup /dev/loop0 rootfs, where rootfs is a ext2 file created with a loop device?
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10:47<voipzapperw>what is a good irc channel to ask some port forwarding questions?
10:48<petemc>maybe ##networking on freenode
10:48<voipzapperw>petemc: thanks
10:49<petemc>if you're using debian you can ask here, but i suspect you're using a modem/router device
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10:57<voipzapperw>petemc: yes, i am using a voip box and this doesn't specifically involve debian
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11:14<Abyrwalg>hi there! trying to make netboot for my eeepc900 made through the whole - DHCP ok (CLIENT IP ok but DHCP IP: -and error PXE-T01:File not found
11:14<Abyrwalg>need help
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11:30<Abyrwalg>(17:14:45) Abyrwalg: hi there! trying to make netboot for my eeepc900 made through the whole - DHCP ok (CLIENT IP ok but DHCP IP: -and error PXE-T01:File not found
11:30<Abyrwalg>(17:14:54) Abyrwalg: need help
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11:33<Abyrwalg>smth changed
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11:40<Abyrwalg>TFTP open timeout
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11:43<Abyrwalg>hello. can you help me with netboot process?
11:43<freddie>debian has total for 4 gui correct
11:44<freddie>gnome, kde, xfce, and x window?
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11:45<krystian_>i compiled kernel by myself. everything seems to be ok, but now i can't compile anything (a lot of errors with include/asm/... .h and include/linux/... .h)
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11:45<krystian_>do i need somehow to install headers from my kernel?
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11:48<chealer>krystian_: it depends on what you want to do.
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11:49<chealer>freddie: it depends on what you count as 1 GUI. that would be a very particular way to count it.
11:49<freddie>chealer can you expand please
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11:50<krystian_>chealer: i cant even exec "make menuconfig"
11:50<chealer>freddie: on why that's strange? because you seem to consider desktop environments as GUI-s, and Debian has other DE-s, such as LXDE. and many other things could be considered GUI-s.
11:51<chealer>Abyrwalg: just ask your question.
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11:52<krystian_>i messed up something in /usr/include ...
11:52<mikko>any tips on getting double monitors to work on gnome (stable)?
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11:55<mikko>when i use twinview the monitors are treated as a one big screen, so when I expand a program to fullscreen it takes over both screens
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11:56<freddie>i am new to linux
11:56<mikko>ok, i'll look into it, thanks
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11:56<freddie>how many different desktop evnivronments are there?
11:56<freddie>i guess that what i was considering gui
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11:59<Kjetil>freddie: If you are new to linux you should consider KDE or Gnome (maybe XFCE)
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12:01<PowermanBG>hi all
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12:01<PowermanBG>is someone here?
12:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:04<chealer>freddie: it depends on what you consider a desktop environment. in all cases, "x window" is not a desktop environment.
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12:06<freddie>i have used xfce and gnome only
12:06<freddie>what else is there similar, kde and.....
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12:08<bja>freddie: take a look here
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12:10<ga_bash>hello guys .. I am using debian_lenny and I have lost my root password. I have been trying to recover it since hours. but no success so far.
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12:10<bja>ga_bash: do you have a rescue disk?
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12:10<ga_bash>bja, I dint create any
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12:14<bja>never mind, dowload any livecd and boot from there to your computer mount /etc partition read/write edit sudoers adding the following line after the one for root user ALL=(ALL) ALL save, reboot from your normal kernel and type "sudo bash" and voilá you are root again
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12:15<bja>never mind, dowload any livecd and boot from there to your computer mount /etc partition read/write mode, edit sudoers adding the following line after the one for root "user ALL=(ALL) ALL" save, reboot from your normal kernel and type "sudo bash" and voilá you are root again
12:15<bja>ga_bash: ^^ sorry had a small keyboard problem
12:15<bja>it should be clear now
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12:16<ga_bash>bja, when I mount from a live cd then how to get a shell prompt.
12:16<bja>ga_bash: depends on the live distro
12:16<freddie>bja, thanks, that is what i was looking for
12:17<bja>freddie: np
12:17<Tekla>how do i figure out which device in /sys is my raid controller?
12:17<ga_bash>bja, can I use a freebsd cd .. would it work
12:18<bja>ga_bash: i don't know, why don't you use grml or ubuntu they are linux and the tagging problems should be avoided
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12:19<ga_bash>bja, all right I would try that. thanks. bja . :)
12:19<freddie>so there are 8 different de packages?
12:19<bja>freddie: lots more, but those are the most common
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12:21<bja>Tekla: try /sys/bus/scsi/devices maybe it is listed there, i'm not sure
12:21<Tekla>empty :)
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12:22<bja>Tekla: ls /sys/devices ?
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12:23<Tekla>sec ..i'm restarting my kvm connection
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12:57<Tekla>bja: LNZSYSTEM:00, isa, pci0000:00, platform, pnp0, pnp1, system
12:57<Tekla>in /sys/devices
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13:20<bike__> gone?
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13:21<Tekla>mage:~# ping
13:21<Tekla>PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
13:21<Tekla>64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=74.9 ms
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13:22<Tekla>did you get my "flood" tho?
13:22<Tekla>bike__: ?
13:22<bike__> Could not connect to ( - connect (111 Connection refused)
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13:24<Tekla>it works just fine for me
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13:24<Tekla>i added to my apt/sources.list and update didn't generate any errors
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13:29<bike__>Tekla, thanks, i'll have to check it out
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13:40<kampasky>anyone else getting this?
13:40<kampasky>W: Failed to fetch Hash Sum mismatch
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13:42<kampasky>ah, works now, nm :)
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13:44<rgod>hello :)
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14:18<Tekla>what's the apt-* command to just download the .deb?
14:18<jackyf>aptitude download
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15:33<koffee>hi all
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15:34<koffee>why would I see a ufw block in the log for a port I have open and seems to be working?
15:35<cahoot>they probably know more about ufw on #ubuntu?
15:35<rgod_>koffee: attempt to deliver "popup" spam to a Windows machine via the messenging service
15:36<rgod_>i think that..
15:36<rgod_>which port?
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15:45<damwan>A quick etiquette question: is there a middle step of due not-being-annoying between reading the manual and contacting the developers? I'd like to know how to make aptitude install each package as it's downloaded, or else to request that feature
15:46<kop>Okayyy. I've got a tcp problem. Please let me know if I should take this somewhere else. My firewall (not debian) is dropping the first SYN packet of the TCP handshake, and I think sending back an ICMP unreachable. This sounds like the wrong behavior. Shouldn't it just silently drop the packet so that the sending tcp stack can try again and send another SYN? (The remote end is, generally, reachable.)
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15:47<kop>damwan: We're kinda flexable here. You could submit a feature request. But why would you want such a thing?
15:47<ml|>manpage would first then look in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/ and you don't see that there you can file a wishlist in bts
15:47<kop>damwan: (Use reportbug to file feature requests.)
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15:48<ml|>yes use reportbug, /msg dpkg bts and reportbug
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15:48<fanuc98>Does debian have a script similar to inxi?
15:48<damwan>kop: My internet connection is slow enough that I think I could get a significant fraction of a multi-package download installed before the rest is downloaded
15:49<kop>damwan: So it's a disk space issue?
15:49<damwan>No, it's just to make it finish faster overal
15:49<damwan>Right now it wants to download for an hour and a half and then install for however long (probably not even an hour and a half)
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15:50<damwan>If aptitude schedules the downloads in the order of installation, it seems we could be done faster.
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15:50<damwan>I realize I'm a bit unique, but shouldn't debian support older sites too?
15:50<kop>damwan: Sounds like a feature request. Although there could be reliability implications if all the packages don't download. Dunno.
15:50<ml|>i don't think that can work with dependencies and all
15:51<kop>ml|: It _might_ be able to sort based on dependency.
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15:51<damwan>ml|: Really? after all, it still installs linearly, right?
15:51<damwan>so it can download the same order
15:51<damwan>on preview, what kop said
15:51<damwan>which it doesn't seem to do right now
15:51<ml|>damwan: check bts a wishlist might be filed already
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15:52<damwan>Okay. brb
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15:52<kop>vitek: Hello. FYI, see below.
15:52<ml|>kop: yes, but i would think that be hard to do, but you never know
15:52<dpkg>it has been said that cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
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15:56<smhar>I have a problem with my wifi in my lenny notebook. since my last apt-get update, I am unable to connect to any wireless network, although I can detect them. the network connection applet in gnome is always set on 'Roaming Mode Enabled' option. When I disable it it does not change.
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15:57<Gold24>smhar: which wireless card?
15:58<damwan>ml|: Is there a way, using BTS's HyperEstreir (sp?) search, to exclude internal messages?
15:58<damwan>I get a lot of (XYZ bug) and then another hit for (XYZ fixed/moved/merged...)
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15:59<damwan>I tried -fixed and "AND NOT fixed" but it doesn't seem to accept boolean
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15:59<smhar>Gold24: it is Atheros, you can find all relevant info here:
15:59<damwan>And really, that's kind of a hack anyway
15:59<smhar>it is been months now :-(
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16:00<ml|>damwan: i don't understand?
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16:01<Gold24>smhar: you should update again
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16:02<Gold24>there was an error with atheros cards in a 2.6.26 update some time ago acording to what i remember reading on a mailing list
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16:03<smhar>Gold24: how? I can not connect to net! I do not have wired access and wireless does not work
16:04<uldics>Is there anyone with some experience with ati proprietary driver and 3D?
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16:04<Gold24>how do you not have an option of connecting wired?
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16:04<smhar>Gold24: I have no access to wired network
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16:05<kop>!tell uldics -about ask
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16:06<smhar>I am currently running the same notebook and connecting wirelessly using ubuntu live
16:06<uldics>-about ask
16:06<EeRr>Is anything wrong with the website? I have not been able to connect to it for a few days; yet can connect to page.
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16:06<Gold24>smhar: then chroot into your debian system and update it
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16:07<ml|>EeRr: works for me
16:07<smhar>Gold24: never did that... sounds like something difficult
16:07<smhar>any tips on how to do that?
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16:08<kop>smhar: Nope. Mount the partions in the right tree form and then chroot into the root mount point. Then you're running the ubuntu kernel and debian everything else.
16:08<EeRr>ml|: Hmm... I've tried with Iceweasel and Konqueror. :/
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16:08<damwan>ml|: When I search BTS, it likes to show me individual messages (I think BTS is email based?) rather than tickets. So I get the original bug report, and then several more hits from the same report marking it fixed or whatever.
16:08<uldics>Ok, I have just installed the ati driver from amd website, the latest 9.8. I have fglrx driver module working (lsmod shows it). But there is no acceleration at all (scrolling webpage is flickery and slow)
16:09<kop>damwan: It does not do that for me. I just go to
16:09<Gold24>smhar: i would probably suggest just downloading the packages and then reboot into the debian system and install
16:09<smhar>Gold24: what packages exactly?
16:09<damwan>kop: and do you use the HyperEstrier search?
16:10<Gold24>mainly the kernel
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16:10<EeRr>ml|: Okay, I turned on cookies and it worked... thought, should not have made a difference.
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16:10<uldics>and when I try running fglrxinfo or amdcccle i get errors
16:10<kop>damwan: No. I don't think so. Just the search on that page.
16:10<smhar>kop: so I would mount the partitions from the HD for / , /usr, etc and rhen chroot the new mounted /?
16:11<Gold24>smhar: yeah
16:11<ml|>EeRr: some sites require them, tho i dunno why it was not coming up for you
16:11<kop>smhar: Yes. say / on /mnt, then /usr on /mnt/usr, etc.
16:11<Gold24>smhar: you can tell aptitude to just download the packages
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16:11<kop>smhar: then chroot /mnt
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16:12<kop>Gold24: Good point. But only after he's chrooted.
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16:12<Gold24>kop: yeah of course
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16:12<EeRr>ml|: Yea, but I didn't think the debian homepage would require cookies; it didn't in the past. Maybe it was just a weird setting on my computer. Ah well.
16:12<Gold24>mainly because it potentially involves boot manager changes :)
16:12<damwan>kop: If it's the one labelled "select bug reports on the www", that's not really much fo a search
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16:13<damwan>More a way to pull up all aptitude's wishlist bugs
16:13<damwan>which I did, because it has few enough of them open that I can just read them all
16:13<damwan>but I wouldn't want to do that for something that has more bugs files
16:13<smhar>Gold24: kop: if I chrooted, why should I only download the packages? rather than actually updating?
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16:14<kop>damwan: Well, that's what I do. Then I use the find feature in the browser, sometimes. I think they want people to see more rather than less so they don't get duplicates.
16:14<ml|>damwan: bts is email based iirc and look at tho i have never used it
16:14<kop>damwan: Dunno. You could file an enhancement request for the BTS. ;-)
16:15<Gold24>smhar: because you might have a boot manager update involved in the kernel upgrade
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16:15<kop>smhar: If you just download, then they get put in the cache in /var. Then when you reboot and run aptitude under debian they are there, and you're running a "real" debian so there's "nothing that can go wrong". :-)
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16:16<Gold24>kop: thanx that's very well put :)
16:16<kop>Gold24: Yeah, but you's is probably more accurate. :)
16:16<ml|>EeRr: yes, why i said i dunno why it was not working before for you, but you try with a new profile and turning off cookies to see if your current profile is screwed some how
16:17<damwan>kop: ha, no, seeing more than less makes sense
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16:17<damwan>And it's interesting to read the other people's wishlists
16:17<damwan>ml|: Yes, it's not much use, I think
16:17<damwan>Anyway, it doesn't look like there's a duplicate
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16:18<damwan>so off I go to file. Hey, three years of Debian and my first bug report!
16:18<ml|>damwan: but when you search in bts for aptitude a page should come up, then just look for wishlists
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16:19<kop>damwan: While you're at it, that could also be a solution for running out of space in /var while upgrading. Aptitude could delete from the cache the packages already installed. (If you want to file a 2nd wish list as an addndeum to your first. :)
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16:20<ml|>damwan: also when you use reportbug it will show you a list of current bug for the package you are trying to report
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16:45<Squelos>ml, how are you doing ?
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16:47<damwan>ml|: Oh, yes, I have no trouble finding all the aptitude wishlists. That's how I eventually concluded that my feature had not yet been requested
16:49<damwan>kop: That's actually already a wishlist, and I put mine in as a comment on that! Check
16:49<damwan>(it's not up yet)
16:51<ml|>Squelos: ok and you?
16:51<Squelos>fine :)
16:51<Squelos>ml, you were telling me to try a new profile with iceweasel
16:51<Squelos>how can i do that ?
16:51<ml|>damwan: good, good luck :)
16:52<ml|>Squelos: iceweasel -ProfileManager
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16:54<ml|>create a new one, but don't add anything to it so you can tell if your current profile is at fault
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16:55<smhar>I have previously installed apt-proxy and I an not using it right now and I can not connect to the net without it. how to temporarily disable it though command line
16:55<smhar>I remember using a command line set proxy off or something before
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16:56<ml|>man apt-proxy should help
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16:57<smhar>no man page
16:57<ml|>and /usr/share/doc/ ?
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17:11<naghtan>Perhaps its a little stupid question, but, how i share a folder in a network only for linux?
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17:11<naghtan>other quesion ,anyone know a channel here talking about NMT? POpcorn or Kaiboer?
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17:16<cthuluh>hello guys, anyone here who has an experience with using the "memmap=..." kernel option ?
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17:16<cthuluh>I'm trying to get rid of bad cells on a memory module
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17:19<smhar>greetings... again
17:20<smhar>I managed to get the partitions of my debian system mounted under ubuntu and then I chrooted to the root directory. but I can not connect to the internet..
17:21<smhar>when I apt-get update I get root@ubuntu:/# apt-get update
17:21<smhar>Err lenny/updates Release.gpg
17:21<smhar> Temporary failure resolving ''
17:21<smhar>and at the end of the display I get : Failed to fetch Temporary failure resolving ''
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17:22<smhar>even pinging google doesnot work
17:23<bja>smhar: what do you want to achieve?
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17:24<smhar>bja: using ubuntu live with working wifi, I want to chroot to my installed debian lenny with not working wifi to apt-get upgrade it so hopefully it will work. I t was working before my last apt-upgrade session
17:26<bja>smhar: unless you have the same kernel and patches, i strongly doubt it will work
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18:03<leejongwook>hi :)
18:03<tmc>wat u doing
18:03<leejongwook>i'm using debian lenny with testing, my screen saver don't work
18:04<leejongwook>any idea ?
18:04<tmc>thats cool, im an ubuntu dude and im wondering if i shoud dual boot with debian
18:04<ml|>lenny with testing?
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18:04<leejongwook>yes :)
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18:05<leejongwook>for desktop manager
18:05<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
18:05<rgod>KDE ftw :)
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18:06<leejongwook>what is ftw ?
18:06<rgod>for the win ect.
18:07<ml|>for the win
18:07<leejongwook>i was ok with stable
18:07<leejongwook>wanted use ntfs, so i changed my repo to testing
18:07<ml|>leejongwook: it's either lenny or testing un less you mixed the two which is a bad idea
18:07<themill>what's wrong with ntfs in lenny?
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18:08<leejongwook>couldn't mount ntfs read/write mode
18:09<leejongwook>well didn't mixed up, i switched
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18:11<leejongwook>update linux always bring me problems
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18:11<ml|>leejongwook: check bts, but gnome-screensaver in testing is not work atm, unless they fixed it already and you should say i'm using debian with release of testing
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18:12<leejongwook>thanks ~ but bts ?
18:12<leejongwook>what is bts ?
18:12<ml|>leejongwook: /msg dpkg bts
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18:13<leejongwook>debootstrap ?
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18:14<chico-debian>hello, is this a support channel?
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18:15<chico-debian>cool :-) I just did an upgrade from lenny to sid and I'm in big trouble now. My ATI drivers fglrx don't work anymore, I tryed reinstalling them but I was unsuccessful
18:15<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
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18:16<leejongwook>i can't even install my graphic driver
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18:17<themill>leejongwook: there are 350-ish people here and they are always coming and going. You don't need to greet them all individually.
18:18<leejongwook>ok :)
18:18<chico-debian>what? well I do have experience with linux, I've been using it for more than 10 years, recently I came from Gentoo to Debian. so what do you sugest, going bak to lenny?
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18:18<themill>chico-debian: if you want "works out of the box" then yes, that's what debian stable is for
18:18<chico-debian>btw I know what sid is
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18:20<chico-debian>I don't mind doing the leg work to install stuff, as I sai, I'm coming from Gentoo. But I do need support with the damn ati-drivers. you dont give support to sid?
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18:20<themill>chico-debian: in general, #debian doesn't have the resources; sid users are expected to be clever enough to be self-supporting.
18:21<leejongwook>i have ati i think and i dont know how to install it but i still can use my debian :)
18:21<themill>chico-debian: however, "/msg dpkg fglrx" and follow the links therein
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18:22<leejongwook>i've tried to install graphic device driver for few times but didn't work and i broke my system
18:22<leejongwook>reinstalled :)
18:23<leejongwook>switch i to it
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18:24<fanuc98>I am new to debian and I am attempting to get my sources.list up with debian repos. This is my .list Am I missing anything?
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18:26<rudi_s_>fanuc98: Looks good. If you need more current software have a look at /msg dpkg bpo
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18:27<themill>fanuc98: you don't need lines 6 and 7 because you also have lines 9 and 10. You probably also want to add "contrib non-free" to your entries for security.debian.rog
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18:27<fanuc98>Thank you rudi_s_ . And thank you themill.
18:28<leejongwook> <-- check mine please :) i picked it up from some web page,
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18:29<fanuc98>upon install the only lines I had were 6 and 7, and 12 13 and 15 16. :)
18:29<leejongwook>hmm.. i think i mixed
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18:29<themill>leejongwook: mixing stable, testing and unstable is the path to a big mess. Using codenames (lenny) rather than stable is also recommended.
18:30<leejongwook>don't know how to set /etc/apt/sources.list
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18:30<dave2223>Hi. What ways are there of causing all files (recursively) in a directory to be o+w?
18:30<dave2223>s/all files/all directories/
18:30<fanuc98>gedit /etc/apt/sources.list leejong in root terminal
18:30<jackyf>dave2223: chmod -R
18:31<dave2223>jackyf: Ah no. I mean so if I created a new file, it would have o+w by default.
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18:31<dave2223>umask is one way to do it, I think.
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18:31<fanuc98>you can then comment out and add by hand. If you know how to use ?grep cat you can just pipe things directly to it....(when I had help a few days ago and figured out that someone had me do this for other reasons, I finally realized the "POWER" of the terminal!)
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18:32<fanuc98>maybe it was echo.
18:32<themill>dave2223: o+w is unusual and rarely what you really want.
18:32<dave2223>themill: I'm debugging a bug that may have been caused by that sort of behaviour.
18:34<fanuc98>OH, thank you themill, I just had an epiphony! "contrib" "non-free" etc, etc access each repo for those instances from that server!!! So I was being redundent!
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18:34<themill>yes. "man 5 sources.list" for more details
18:34<leejongwook>themill, <-- just this ?
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18:36<themill>leejongwook: that would be fine if you wanted to run testing. But do you? Understand what each of those lines mean and know that there's not currently any testing-security support and that t-p-u won't be used until shortly before release.
18:36<fanuc98>Nod. :) I picked up a great book last weekend, but have only scrached the surface. "Linux phrasebook"...small, but worth every penny of 19.99 usd! FYI for everyone wishing to know term commands. and the difference between man 1 and man 5. :)
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18:37<leejongwook>i see :) so i can put comment sign on security lines
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18:37<themill>leejongwook: you may as well leave them there, but understand that you don't have good security support when using testing
18:38<themill>"testing is called testing for a reason...."
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18:38<themill>fanuc98: you could just "man man" for that too :P
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18:38<leejongwook>i want to know the meaning of each lines @_@ how do i find wiki
18:38<fanuc98>Nice. LMAO, but you need to know this in order to do this! =D
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18:39<leejongwook>google : wiki + sources.list ?
18:39<chico-debian>well... I'll go back to lenny then. I just need to change back my sources file and do aptitude full-upgrade ?
18:39<fanuc98>does dmm have contrib non-free?
18:39<chico-debian>that didnt really work
18:39<dondelelcaro>fanuc98: it's only one section
18:39<dondelelcaro>(all of it stuff that Debian can't even distribute in non-free)
18:40<fanuc98>Ok, so if I added that to the end of my dmm line I would get access to things like realplayer and such?
18:41<leejongwook>main/ updates/ proposed/ volatile/ security @_@ ?
18:41<fanuc98>I can just go ahead and do it, but that has caused me problems in the past, so I try not to be so bold and dive in without knowing first, anymore, anyway. =D\
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18:43<leejongwook>z.z.z.. time to goto bed, thanks themill :) i'll find out later
18:43<rgod>bye guys
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18:43<chico-debian>when I changed it from lenny to sid, the full-upgrade installed a lot of stuff, but now Im trying to roll back to lenny and nothing is marked for reinstall or upgrade or downgrade or anything
18:43<themill>dpkg: tell chico-debian about downgrade
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18:44<adb>DD , we maybe needs to add a new section, as "non-debian" to sources ..
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18:45<chico-debian>lol that's a hopefull message, NOT. I suppose this means I need a full system reinstall.
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18:46<themill>chico-debian: correct. There's no way to downgrade from sid to lenny and no-one is ever going to work on making one.
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18:51<herberth_>i have a problem whit the wifi card on a netbook
18:51<herberth_>Asus EeePC 1005HA
18:51<chico-debian>no support, no downgrade, no hope. got it. This is sounding more and like a microsoft product. With Gentoo there was always a fix and good will from the community... a system reinstall is a stupid solution for any situation
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18:52<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
18:52<herberth_>can some one else helpme to make wiki work on Debian Lenny ?
18:53<herberth_>wifi, sorry ejeje
18:53<amphi>herberth_: what card is it?
18:53<adb> #eeepc ?
18:54<herberth_>network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Device 002v (rev 01)
18:55<herberth_>thats show when i try "lspci"
18:55<dpkg>Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <ath5k> or <ath9k> for stable wireless chipset drivers; <ar9170usb> or <ar5523> for wireless drivers under development. The non-free <madwifi> driver was removed from Debian post-Lenny. Ask me about <atl1>, <atl2> or <atl1e> for Ethernet adapter drivers.
18:57<herberth_>ath5k work on debian lenny ?
18:58<adb> /msg dpkg ath5k
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19:00<fanuc98>Still having some apt difficulties. Can anyone explain this to me?
19:01<herberth_>what driver i need to install to make the atheros card work on debian lenny?
19:03<adb>herberth_, non
19:03<herberth_>not work ?
19:03<adb>herberth_, /msg dpkg ath5k
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19:04<herberth_>i need to install ath5k?
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19:06<fanuc98>Anyone know why I would be having w: Failed to fetch problems? My connection is running fine, and my .sources is pretty basic.
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19:20<dave2223>Hey. how long does it usually take before a reply to a bug appears on ?
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19:23<abrotman>15-30 minutes
19:24<dave2223>abrotman: Okay thanks. I wondered if it'd been picked up by a spam filter.
19:24<abrotman>dave2223: or the website is being slow ..
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19:27<sney>my fiancee switched to using debian on her laptop because vista is a pain in the ass, but then the hard drive overheated and committed suicide. I wonder if I'll be able to get her to keep using debian once the replacement stuff comes through
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19:30<xente>hey does anyone here that is using squeeze have alsa (or something associated with playing sound) skipping a lot?
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19:32<xente>it happens when the cpu is no where near 100%
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19:36<fanuc98>I have checked google, my personal collections of books and the debian forums....My gpg key's are the most reacent and do not appear to be broken... can anyone explain why I am still getting errors then? I also did some modifications via suggestions from Here is my issue...
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19:39<abrotman>fanuc98: put your sources.list in a pastebin
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19:40<fanuc98>Ok, thank you. One moment.
19:40<xente>it seems to happen when windows open and close....weird....any ideas?
19:41<abrotman>fanuc98: comment out line 10
19:41<abrotman>and line 13
19:41<fanuc98>:/ 10 and 13?
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19:42<fanuc98>Comment out empty space? Or did you mean the deb-src 9 and 12?
19:44<abrotman>they're 10/13 in the pastebin
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19:44<fanuc98>Oh, sorry. I did not see it when I pasted it. used pastebinit
19:46<fanuc98>I've done a little reading about volatile, so, I only use it as a personal user with no real need for serious admin usage. I guess I'll comment all four out and see if that works.
19:47<bja>which channel is the installation of Debian on an eepc discussed?
19:47<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on To install Debian, see for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>. Mailing list: #debian-eeepc on
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19:47<bja>abrotman: thx i missed an e
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19:48<xente>anyone else have the same problem?
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19:49<fanuc98>Thank you very much abrotman. It's fixed. Are the volatile servers down?
19:50<abrotman>fanuc98: uhm .. not sure .. you could check with a web browser
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19:50<abrotman>nah .. seems up
19:51<fanuc98>Hmm, I wonder what my issue is, then. I'll figure it out later, it works for now.
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19:54<fanuc98>hmm, I wonder if it's not my server and I should switch over to
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19:55<fanuc98>I just noticed something, if I have etch keys and lenny keys would that cause a conflict?!
19:56<fanuc98>I would think not, though. Just like having keys on a key chain that you no longer have a lock to put them into. hmmm.
19:57<themill>fanuc98: looks more like your ipv6 setup isn't happy for some hosts
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19:57<abrotman>i wouldn't use
19:57<fanuc98>Ok. Thank you.
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19:59<fanuc98>I thought I fixed that via a Debian forum post i found. ?
19:59<nooon>how does that pppd stuff work? for example with a umts usb device? is there a definitive howto somewhere that covers that?
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20:01<fanuc98>And, as far as I go, the only thing I know about Ipv4 vrs 6 is that 6 has more available addresses. LOL
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20:04<TSL>hola bja
20:04<fanuc98>Howdy. :)
20:05<TSL>hi fanuc98
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20:05<TSL>hi OicrealFlamalaer
20:05*themill waits for the other 337*336/2 "hello"s
20:06<OicrealFlamalaer>tools to convert mdf for iso, somebody know?
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20:06<OicrealFlamalaer>i need to install AOK }-)...
20:07<fanuc98>what is .mdf? I've never worked with that kind of file, to my knowledge, anyway.
20:07<themill>apt-cache search mdf iso
20:07<fanuc98>That works too! :P
20:08<OicrealFlamalaer>my friend never think this action
20:08<OicrealFlamalaer>apt-get lol... usage for name tool complete ... *-*
20:08<ml|>abrotman: why not use works fine here
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20:09<abrotman>i said i wouldn't ... you can do whatever you'd like
20:09<ml|>yes. but why?
20:09<OicrealFlamalaer>:fanuc98 mdf is a alternative to iso.. create by Alchool
20:09<abrotman>ml|: round robin, and lots of people use it
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20:10<fanuc98>Really. I'll have to check that out. Is it more reliable then .iso writing?
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20:11<fanuc98>I wouldn't switch either, if I can help it, mainly because my server is less then 100 miles from me.
20:11<ml|>abrotman: ok, just wanted to know, since it works fine here and fast
20:12<OicrealFlamalaer>fanuc98: for games to consoles is very goog (playstations, xbox etc)
20:12<fanuc98>AH, I see. Say no more.
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20:14<ml|>fanuc98: got your sources.list in order now?
20:15<abrotman>fanuc98: Rockford Files?
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20:16<OicrealFlamalaer>tks for help, goog nigth
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20:17<fanuc98>Rockford Files? I think so. I would like to uncomment out volotile, but it wasn't working before, and I'm guessing it is not now. I was told something about ipv6, but I did a fix on the forums and I guess it didn't help.
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20:54<fanuc98>will KDE3 Themes and Desktops work in Gnome?
20:54<abrotman>doubt it
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20:54<fanuc98>Nod, Thanks.
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21:12<poonj>hey guys...I am looking to install etch with newer hardware because I need apache 1.3 with mod_perl.
21:13<poonj>Is there a way to modify the installer to use a newer kernel so it could recognize my SATA drives?
21:13<dpkg>For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of
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21:35<poonj>hey guys, where could I find a etch iso image for installation?
21:35<fanuc98>Is there a reason you want etch? Why not run with lenny? Give me a sec and I can look.
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21:35<poonj>fanuc98: I need to run apache 1.3 with mod_perl
21:35<fanuc98>Kk, let me look.
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21:37<fanuc98>Try there.
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21:38<ml|>there is a 4.0r8 for etch somewhere
21:39<fanuc98>honestly, all I did was this http//google then "download debian "etch" iso"
21:40<poonj>thanks fanuc98
21:41<abrotman>!cd archive
21:41<dpkg>A repository of older (unsupported) CD images can be found at
21:42<ml|>abrotman: nice :)
21:42<fanuc98>Oh, leave the main quotes out, just download debian "etch" iso
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21:47<supercola>ubuntu ships cds for you
21:47<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
21:47<poonj>I've used debian for 8 years now...not going to change to another one now!
21:47<abrotman>that's useless
21:49<supercola>what, debian?
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21:49<ml|>is it sunday?
21:49<abrotman>telling him about ubuntu CDs when he's asking for etch
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21:58<fanuc98>How do I exit w3m?
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22:02<happydufus>fanuc98: press q
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22:03<fanuc98>Nod, thank you. I found it via web.....I need to read this page more indepth...
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22:05<happydufus>fanuc98: you could just read the man page in a terminal (type man w3m)
22:06<supercola>happydufus, WTF IS YOUR PROBLEM
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22:06<poonj>for some reason, the boot.img file that I downloaded does not include the tulip driver. It can't load modules either..
22:08<Gun_Smoke>Anyone know where I can find the reference card? This link is dead.
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22:08<fanuc98>:happydufus" I have used the man pages before, but they are so cryptic (for the most part). I am not a person that can code a dual-core arch 686 from binary.... :/ =D
22:08<poonj>fanuc98: is there a way to load modules during an install?
22:09<abrotman>!tell Gun_Smoke about refcard
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22:09<fanuc98>One sec....I think I may know someting about this....let me look for the file so I can better understand the question.
22:10<happydufus>fanuc98: I know where you are coming from - cryptic is an undersatment for some of them
22:11<fanuc98>crap....I am so sorry, I cannot remember poonj. Something, that someone, helped me with a few days ago... A config module file that is also used at boot time......I used it to fix a problem I had with reading UDF file formats.
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22:12<fanuc98>Nod happydufus. Nod. +D
22:12<supercola>su root && rm -rf /
22:13<fanuc98>Um, why would you remove all your filestructure?
22:13<fanuc98>Kind of like format c:*.*
22:14<supercola>to fix your pc
22:14<fanuc98>Re-install does that too.
22:14<fanuc98>if it's bad enough.
22:15<supercola>man man
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22:15<supercola>man life meaning
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22:15<fanuc98>man 1234567 or 8?
22:16<fanuc98>Maybe I just need to update my man pages. =D
22:17<poonj>with these newer etch images, I'm given purely the boot.img files
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22:18<poonj>which are built from a newer kernel, but it does not include modules for my network cards!
22:18<poonj>am I missing some part of the process?
22:18<fanuc98>Do you know the make and module of your net cards?
22:18<fanuc98>Serial number would help also.
22:18<Gun_Smoke>abrotman, thanks for the reference link
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22:20<poonj>it uses the tulip driver
22:20<poonj>and the other is a realtek card
22:20<abrotman>poonj: i stopped trying ot use tulip cards
22:20<fanuc98>Have you googled for "tulip" debian "driver" ?
22:20<poonj>fanuc98, I'm just trying to load the tulip driver during the installation process
22:21<abrotman>poonj: you sohuldn't have to do that .. that's the point
22:21<fanuc98>can you give me the http that you got the driver from?
22:21<poonj>abrotman: yeah
22:21<poonj>but it can't detect the hardware...
22:21<fanuc98>I'll read also and see if I cannot understand it from a different perspective.....all help, eventually. =D
22:21<abrotman>poonj: i have a whole pile of tulip/de4x5 cards i stopped using because they became unreliable in 2.6.x
22:22<poonj>its the etch-custom-0622 amd64
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22:22<poonj>abrotman: well, right now I can't even get it to recognize
22:22<abrotman>and that's part of the issue
22:22<fanuc98>Next question. I'm familiar with x86 arch..... so if it's different, I may be at a loss for a week or better.
22:23<fanuc98>Crap. 64..
22:23<fanuc98>I do not understand and cannot see how this arch works. (I have to be able to "see" it in my mind, or I'm in the dark. :/ )
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22:24<fanuc98>That is my greatest weekness. I work in pictures. I can wiz through geometry (and strangely chemestry), but I hate higher math and physics.
22:25<Guest1383>Use photoshop on windows.
22:25<poonj>ummm, I don't get this..
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22:25<Guest1383>Linux lacks on image software
22:25<sney>!op Guest1219 lol i trol u
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22:25<sney>!op Guest1383 see above
22:25<fanuc98>I can burn .iso's easy peasy with brasero
22:26-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@*] by abrotman
22:26<fanuc98>or even k3b or k9copy (which also run well in gnome!)
22:26-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
22:26<abrotman>sney: it's !ops
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22:26<sney>I coulda swore the other one worked
22:26<sney>oh well
22:26<sney>problem still solved
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22:52<poonj>hey guys...
22:52<fanuc98>Howdy. :)
22:53<poonj>if I have a installation that uses a 2.6.24 kernel
22:53<poonj>but it can't boot unless I install a 2.6.26 kernel
22:53<poonj>is it possible to boot up using a boot CD
22:53<poonj>to install a newer kernel on the existing system?
22:53<fanuc98>Why wouldn't it be? I would use knoppix.
22:53<abrotman>poonj: why not just use the lenny instlaler ?
22:54<poonj>abrotman: so I am using etchnhalf, which has a 2.6.26 kernel during the install, but installs the 2.6.24 kernel on the system
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22:54<poonj>I have a AMD SB750 SATA driver that exists after the 2.6.25 kernel
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22:54<poonj>so I would need to upgrade the kernel after the install in order for the system to work
22:54<fanuc98>Nod. Download the netinstall, only a 150ish mb download, burn the iso, the boot the cd and install the newest debian. But back up what you want to keep first.
22:54<abrotman>poonj: why not just use the lenny instlaler ?
22:55<poonj>I need etch...
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22:55<poonj>its because I need apache 1.3 with mod perl
22:55<abrotman>oh ffs
22:55<poonj>lenny doesn't offer apache 1.3 anymore
22:55<abrotman>what's wrong with the mod_perl in lenny ?
22:55<poonj>it doesn't work with apache 1.3
22:55<abrotman>what's wrong with the mod_perl in lenny ?
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22:55<poonj>because it relies on perl 5.8
22:55<poonj>lenny uses 5.10
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22:55<poonj>and won't let me install libperl5.7
22:56<fanuc98>Nod, why cannot you not adapt and upgrade to that one? Get perl 5.10. =D
22:56<poonj>its been a whole cycle of crap
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22:56<fanuc98>Forgive me, I didn't mean to sound harsh.
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22:56<abrotman>dpkg: depends libapache2-mod-perl2
22:56<poonj>its been realy frustrating
22:56<abrotman>dpkg: depends libapache2-mod-perl2 lenny
22:57<dpkg>libapache2-mod-perl2: depends on apache2.2-common, perl (>= 5.10.0-18), perlapi-5.10.0, libwww-perl, libmime-base64-perl, libdevel-symdump-perl, liburi-perl, libapr1, libaprutil1, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libperl5.10 (>= 5.10.0), libuuid1 (>= 1.05), netbase, apache2 (>= 2.2.4) | apache2-mpm-itk (>= 2.2.4)
22:57<dpkg>libapache2-mod-perl2: depends on apache2.2-common, perl (>= 5.10.0-18), perlapi-5.10.0, libwww-perl, libmime-base64-perl, libdevel-symdump-perl, liburi-perl, libapr1, libaprutil1, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libperl5.10 (>= 5.10.0), libuuid1 (>= 1.05), netbase, apache2 (>= 2.2.4) | apache2-mpm-itk (>= 2.2.4)
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22:57<poonj>okay, I just had an idea
22:57<poonj>I'm heading out to the store now...
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22:57<poonj>I'll just buy a SATA card that is supported with 2.6.24 and then upgrade from there
22:57<abrotman>poonj: something else is wrong .. the mod-perl in lenny depends on perl 5.10
22:57<fanuc98>This is just me, but I'm not running a server, and I'd probably do the same if I was, just less frequent. I would backup everything I wanted to keep, and then install the newest OS....and wrap my system around it.
22:58<poonj>but its for apache 2.x
22:58<abrotman>poonj: so what?
22:58<poonj>there are two versions of mod_perl
22:58<abrotman>poonj: what is wrong with apache2 ?
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22:58<poonj>mod_perl 1.x is for apache 1.x
22:59<abrotman>so use the one for apache2 .. problem solved
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23:19<bike>shouldnt dd read and write a full say 70 gig image of a 70 gig drive if i tell it dd if=/dev/sda of=/home/bike/myhomosexualfuckingps3harddriveFSisprobablyfuckedbutidontknowcauseicantmountitorreaditinanynormalfacion.img?
23:20<bike>ok that was nearly correct ^^
23:21<bike>it was correct, huraa
23:21<bike> 9387674624 bytes (9.4 GB) copied, 34.6279 seconds, 271 MB/s
23:21<bike>i'd hoped that would turn out to be 70 gigs
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23:21<bike>as i would plan to dd it back to the drive if its not the drive thats faulty
23:23<bike>nellyphant:/mnt# dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/ps360g.img conv=direct
23:23<bike>dd: invalid conversion: `direct'
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23:24<bike> dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/ps360g.img conv=noerror
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23:24<bike>ok that did stuff
23:24<bike>now gimme 70 gigs babe
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23:26<keisya>ea.u sapa
23:26<bike>mind sharing some hai with me so i dont get hungover tomorrow?
23:27<bike>fleinsopp to you too
23:28<svksrz>How are ya'll enjoying your Labor Day weekend Friday? Debian's the greatest. I would like to thank all of you for being here - you are part of a community that I am proud to associate with.
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23:29<bike>svksrz, i'll second that!
23:29<fanuc98>I reverberate that sentiment. =D
23:29<bike>im in norway tho i dont have labor day, i voted in the labor party tho if that helps
23:30<bike>i'd like to see more co-op with ubuntu and other debian derivatives tho
23:30<bike>shuttle mark is bound to be a positive thing for all of us
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23:32<bike>totally unrelated and belongs in off-topic but this is a nastly funky one
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23:33<bike>amiga all this
23:33*bike hides in off-topic
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23:44<TSL>anyone here?
23:45<bike>just a little
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