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01:11<ims>I've lost my xfce4 panel what should I do?
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01:57<Gun_Smoke>right click and look around? dunno much about xfce
01:57<Gun_Smoke>ims ^
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02:58<CrayZeeSpit-hotmail-com>anyone here?
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03:04<dpkg>rheejus: VATTENE VIA
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03:57<krio>hi everybody
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03:58<krio>how many resorce the lenny kernell use?
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03:59<krio>or better how can i disable the de to see the real use of ram?
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04:03<krio>hei guys c'moon.....
04:03<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
04:04<tom>what is thies
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04:14<simonrvn>krio: after that, log out of your X session
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04:15<musca>krio: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
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04:16<simonrvn>probably didn't see any of that...
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05:18<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to add a Windows-shared printer to cups, but all attempts to print to it give "ACCESS DENIED" from the Windows side. Is there anything I can do from the Debian side to investigate what is actually wrong?
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05:22<cahoot>cups's logs?
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05:23<EmleyMoor>They tell the same story and nothing more
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05:26<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... I appear to be getting timeouts from the Windows side
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05:29<cahoot>turning the tables isn't an option? i e make linux the server
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05:38<EmleyMoor>I've made a hole in its firewall and it still times out
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05:40<EmleyMoor>cahoot: No - David wants the printer net to him. There is another printer in the other room but if I can access the printers in both rooms so much the better
05:40<EmleyMoor>next to him*
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07:00<s4br3>Hi, I installed Debian Sid on a new machine, but cannot get fglrx working with hd accelerated 3D. It works in 2D but hmmm... Any links where to look 1st? I have tried "Google", but have not found anthing which helped me. cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log didn't help me either. Or at least nothing I could understand... Please, help.
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07:04<sejerpz>s4br3, can you post Xorg.0.log somewhere (e.g.
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07:10<sejerpz>s4br3, not an expert here but #
07:10<sejerpz>(WW) fglrx(0): board is an unknown third party board, chipset is supported
07:10<sejerpz>(WW) fglrx(0): Hasn't establisted DRM connection
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07:12<s4br3>sejerpz, glxinfo |grep direct gives
07:12<s4br3>X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
07:12<s4br3>Major opcode of failed request: 155 (GLX)
07:12<s4br3>Minor opcode of failed request: 19 (X_GLXQueryServerString)
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07:13<s4br3>Serial number of failed request: 12
07:13<sejerpz>s4br3, may be is the same proble I had yesterday
07:13<s4br3>sejerpz, How long did you have it?
07:13<sejerpz>have you installed the firmware-linux package
07:13<sejerpz>it's new and related to the 2.6.30 kernel upgrade
07:13<s4br3>Never hear of
07:14<sejerpz>don't know if this apply to the closed source drivers
07:14<sejerpz>too, but it's required for the open source one since kernel 2.6.30
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07:14<s4br3>Maybe that is why my alsa spooks too... I now see the package alsa-firmware-loaders
07:15<sejerpz>one thing at a time ;)
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07:16<s4br3>So, installed. (144kB)
07:16<s4br3>Restart X?
07:16<sejerpz>you need to reboot... (it's the easier way ;) )
07:16<s4br3>But not the Debian way?
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07:19<wuseldusel>hi! an "apt-get update" fails with GPG errors: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B for both and; see ... what to do?
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07:20<gsimmons>dpkg: tell wuseldusel -about new archive key
07:20<wuseldusel>i've made "apt-get install debian-keyring" which had shown some locale errors:
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07:22<wuseldusel>gsimmons: thx!
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07:25<wuseldusel>that worked, thx!
07:26<s4br3>sejerpz, Maybe my xorg.conf is bad?
07:26<sejerpz>s4br3, can you repost your xorg log too
07:26<sejerpz>and is your kernel version 2.6.30 (uname -r will tell)
07:28<s4br3>Xorg log
07:29<badsanta>can anybody point me somewhere where i can find some help related to bash scripting. I need to rename many files and it will take for ever
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07:30<themill>badsanta: man rename (if you know a little perl)
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07:31<badsanta>thats the problem , i dont know perl, but im determined to learn
07:31<badsanta>all i want is to replace the blanks with period
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07:32<themill>badsanta: man rename has examples. something like: rename 's/ /./g' *.mp3
07:32<sejerpz>s4br3, you still have an error in xorg log
07:32<themill>badsanta: (use rename -n to preview what it would do)
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07:32<badsanta>k , ill try it now
07:32<sejerpz>search (EE)... and try a web search with that
07:32<themill>badsanta: there are also tools like krename that can do this
07:33<sejerpz>EE = error from xserver
07:33<sejerpz>WW warning, II info etc
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07:35<s4br3>"atiddxDriScreenInit failed, GPS not been initialized." What is GPS?
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07:37<sejerpz>s4br3, it seems that you don't have anything under /dev/dri/*
07:38<Wunnymush>why am i getting this message: "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume" ?
07:38<sejerpz>s4br3, do you have some other useful messages in /var/log/syslog?
07:39<sejerpz>something about dri o your graphic card?
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07:40<abrotman>Wunnymush: that depends on the command you used
07:40<Wunnymush>abrotman: i didn't use a command.. i used "the explorer"
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07:41<abrotman>it used one .. isn't there a "more details" or something? what if you try to mount it manually ?
07:41<s4br3>syslog is empty
07:42<Wunnymush>i would try that
07:42<s4br3>and /dev/dri is empty. What should have been there?
07:43<sejerpz>a "file" called card0 (it's not a normal file)
07:43<s4br3>See the link. It's related
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07:47<sejerpz>s4br3, I see...
07:47<s4br3>Hmm.. I have libdrm2 v. 2.4.13-1 . Is it possible to downgrade to 2.3.1-2?
07:48<sejerpz>can you verify if you have the fglrx module installed too?
07:48<s4br3>sejerpz, How?
07:48<sejerpz>lsmod | grep fglrx
07:48<s4br3>Oops. blank...
07:49<sejerpz>I think that fglrx module should create the device node /dev/dri/card0 but I'm not sure (I told you that I use the open source driver ;) )
07:49<sejerpz>another thing that is worth to try then
07:49<s4br3>sejerpz, But do you get 3D with that?
07:49<sejerpz>yes, but I've a evry old ati 9200
07:50<s4br3>I have one to, unused
07:50<s4br3>I have one too, unused
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07:51<s4br3>ok, I've rebuilt the fglrx module and installed it. Will reboot.
07:51<s4br3>cya. thanks
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07:57<herm>Hi there, I have an issue with a new Logitech mouse and keyboard and I would like to send a bug report, but I do not know at which project to send it within the gnome sub systems
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07:59<s4br3>sejerpz, It works! Thanks!
07:59<sejerpz>s4br3, good!
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07:59<s4br3>Still, no sound...
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07:59<abrotman>herm: which package is the
07:59<abrotman>herm: which package is the bug in?
08:00<sejerpz>do you have pulseaudio installed or just alsa?
08:01<herm>abrotman : well I do not know for sure ..... But I saw bugs relative to my problems so I investigate using Hal and I think my mouse is recognised as a keyboard .... the wireless keyboard is ok but not the mouse
08:01<s4br3>Yes, but Automagically installed by something else. I know it may be a culprit, but I don't know what has installed it
08:01<s4br3>It has the aptitude "i A" marker
08:02<sejerpz>s4br3, are you referring to pulseaudio?
08:02<herm>abrotman : may I PM ?
08:02<sejerpz>I install it on my very old system from time to time... it's progressing very well anyway
08:03<s4br3>sejerpz, I have had Konflikts with Phonon of KDE4
08:03<sejerpz>0.9.15 seems ok to me... I've it installed now and I use with flash / skype etc without any problem
08:04<sejerpz>here I've a gnome system
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08:05<sejerpz>s4br3, anyway the first thing to do is to see if your system has some sound card in it...
08:05<sejerpz> cat /proc/asound/cards
08:05<sejerpz>gives you something?
08:06<s4br3>Two different, Intel and ATI HDMI, with two different irq numbers
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08:07<sejerpz>so the intel should work
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08:07<s4br3>The intel has number 0
08:08<sejerpz>the ati is not for this life ;)
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08:09<s4br3>The backend is stated as "Phono Gstreamer backend"
08:09<s4br3>version "0.1"
08:09<sejerpz>ok so you have phonon -> gestreamer -> pulse audio (I think)
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08:10<s4br3>sejerpz, I never managed to related to their relative importance or functionality... I gave up years ago...
08:10<abrotman>herm: what's up?
08:10<s4br3>Sound is more complex that graphix...
08:10<abrotman>herm: i'd rather keep it in the channel
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08:11<herm>abrot : ok
08:11<sejerpz>eheh... can you see if the levels of the intel card are ok?
08:11<s4br3>sejerpz, I used to have a Yamaha opl3xa which worked fins for months and then needed fixing... I nver really got it.
08:12<herm>abrot : so ok I bought a new Cordless keyboard : keyboard is working but not the mouse. I thought it was an xorg config problem and I tried several settings without success
08:12<sejerpz>s4br3, if you do: ls /proc/asound/card0/
08:12<s4br3>I used alsamixer to set the levels
08:12<abrotman>herm: abr<tab>
08:12<sejerpz>do you see some directories called pcm0 etc
08:13<sejerpz>I think that the driver is ok then
08:13<s4br3>I have pcm0c and pcm0p etc
08:13<herm>abrot : when I lshal, I see the 2 inputs for keyborad and mouse but it looks like the configuration for the mouse is oncorrect. It looks like it is configured as a keyboard
08:13<s4br3>sejerpz, What is the console command for testing the sound?
08:14<sejerpz>s4br3, I usually use aplay
08:14<abrotman>herm: please stop msging me .. talk in here .. try using my full nick so i can see messages for me
08:14<sejerpz>s4br3, aplay -D hw:0 /usr/share/sounds/question.wav
08:15<herm>abrotman: ok
08:15<herm>abrotman: How can I send lshal dump without bothering anyone else
08:15<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
08:16<s4br3>hhmm. VCannot hear anything.
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08:17<sejerpz>may be is better if you kill pulseaudio:
08:17<sejerpz>pulseaudio --kill
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08:19<s4br3>no cigar... :(
08:20<sejerpz>just silence... are you sure that you un-muted *all* the intel card channels?
08:20<herm>abrotman: Hal is down on my system right now because of an upgrade. I com back to you in a minute to provide the info
08:21<s4br3>yes, they are all at between 75-100% and at "00", not "MM"
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08:21<s4br3>One thing. I tried to rebvuild the alsa, like I did with fglrx. That failed however.
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08:22<sejerpz>the official packges should be fine... your driver is working
08:23<sejerpz>aplay -l ?
08:23<sejerpz>show the card?
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08:24<herm>abrotman : there you go
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08:25<herm>abrotman : I do not know if I am right but I feel like the mouse is configured as a keyboard somehow
08:25<sejerpz>s4br3, may be teh analog output of your intel card isn't routed to the speakers
08:25<abrotman>herm: have you tried another mouse ?
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08:25<sejerpz>can you see if you have some other controls in alsa mixer
08:26<vinicius>hi! how can i allow a normal user to run gnome-ppp as root?
08:26<Lethalman>vinicius, add your user to dialout group or such
08:26<herm>abrotman ; yes I have a psaux regular mouse pluged in right now
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08:27<vinicius>Lethalman, nice.... thanks!
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08:27<Lethalman>I don't remember well though
08:27<abrotman>herm: did you check the BTS for a bug that is similar to yours ?
08:27<vinicius>Lethalman, well... im already on this group
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08:28<vinicius>Lethalman, maybe a sudoers trick?
08:28<Lethalman>I did that without becoming root
08:28<Lethalman>but I don't remember how
08:28<herm>abrotman: for me BTS stands for Base tranceiver station ;o) I am sorry I did not but If you provide me the URL I will.... I just google my problems and found some bugs relattive to this mouse
08:28<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
08:29<vinicius>Lethalman, i dont know exactly why the gnome-ppp only navigates when root
08:29<Lethalman>vinicius, cause you need access to the ppp device
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08:29<Lethalman>and run pppd
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08:29<Lethalman>check pppd permission, what's its group?
08:30<vinicius>Lethalman, how should it be?
08:30<Lethalman>the group
08:31<Lethalman>what's the group
08:31<vinicius>Lethalman, oh... ok
08:31<Lethalman>try running pppd from shell
08:31<vinicius>/etc/init.d/ppp ... ?
08:31<s4br3>sej, How would I know the outpus are routed to the speakers?
08:32<Lethalman>vinicius, run pppd from shell
08:32<Lethalman>$ pppd
08:32<vinicius>i can only do this as root
08:32<Lethalman>can you run it and paste the error please?
08:33<vinicius>pppd: The remote system is required to authenticate itself
08:33<vinicius>pppd: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so.
08:33<vinicius>pppd: (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.)
08:33<vinicius>im actually connect throught pppd
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08:33<sejerpz>s4br3, it's not easy nor standard... on my audigyLS I've a combobox: pcm out
08:34<s4br3>Hmh. lsmod | grep alsa give a blank
08:34<Lethalman>vinicius, try adding yourself to dip group and relogin to gnome
08:34<sejerpz>that's ok lsmod | grep snd
08:35<vinicius>Laney, k
08:35<vinicius>Lethalman, k
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08:35<sejerpz>s4br3, the driver is loaded and it has found you card
08:37<sejerpz>s4br3, as you can see both intel / atihdmi drivers are loaded
08:37<sejerpz>and aplay -l show you your cards
08:38<sejerpz>so the problem must be elsewhere (sure it can be a bug in the drivers too...)
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08:38<vinicius_>Lethalman, i had to do it as root again =;
08:38<vinicius_>Lethalman, normal user can't find the modem
08:38<vinicius_>Lethalman, thats a new error
08:39<sejerpz>s4br3, amixer -c 0 scontrols
08:39<sejerpz>can you paste the results?
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08:39<freezed>Hello everybody
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08:40<freezed>Do you know a command to rename recursively some files ending with tilde (~) without tilde (ie : toto~ => toto) ?
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08:40<cahoot>freezed: man rename
08:41<vinicius_>freddie, rename 's/\~//g' *
08:41<s4br3>looks silent?
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08:43<herm>abrotman: I did not found any bug whih is the same ... I found a bug that looks close : but sorry redhat
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08:44<freezed>vinicius: thanks I dont know I can use regexp in commands. But althought it works, it doesnt works recursive
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08:45<abrotman>herm: where did you look for a bug related to yours ?
08:45<sejerpz>s4br3, that are you the mixer controls, so I can't say ;)
08:46<herm>I looked in BTS and found nothing but maybe I am a bad reseracher ... and I google to try to find the origin problem I found interesting about this device
08:46<vinicius_>freezed, thats true
08:46<herm>abrotman : see above
08:46<s4br3>sejerpz, amixer shows zeroes, but alsamixer doesn't
08:46<vinicius_>freezed, sorry... i forgot this work in your question
08:46<vinicius_>freezed, so you can do a for throught your dirs
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08:47<sejerpz>s4br3, the number is not the control value
08:47<s4br3>ok. some more values
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08:49<herm>abrotman: soo you think my analysis with hal traces is correct ?
08:49<sejerpz>s4br3, stupid question you tried to swap your connections with the stereo?
08:49<abrotman>herm: i'm saying that bug seems similar
08:50<sejerpz>btw, the mixer seems ok...
08:50<freezed>vinicius: thanks for all, I will try with a python script
08:50<s4br3>sejerpz, It is a dual boot, and Win64 works fine
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08:51<linuxbeginner>hi Linux-Community
08:51<sejerpz>and did you notice if something changed if you boot in win64 then reboot on linux without turning off the pc
08:52<linuxbeginner>i have a little problem since the last days and i dont know how to get rid of it
08:52<linuxbeginner>iam trying to install debian on my virtual machine but everytime the installer starts, i get this msg on every line: /build/buildd/*version* 135 (main): Cannot initialize debconf template database
08:52<herm>abrotman: sorry I am not very familiar ti your bug system : patch means it has been corrected ? is there a Work around ?
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08:53<abrotman>there is no patch .. it's just someone having a similar issue
08:53<s4br3>Well, there is no sound in Linux, but we knew that... :)
08:54<abrotman>linuxbeginner: using which installer?
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08:54<linuxbeginner>abrotman, y sorry.mybad. the version iam using is:
08:54<herm>abrotman: what do you suggest me to do ?
08:55<sejerpz>s4br3, so we are stuck ;)
08:55<linuxbeginner>and the error code is
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08:56<s4br3>sejerpz, I hope not... ;)
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08:56<linuxbeginner>abrotman any ideas
08:56<linuxbeginner>i googled everything...
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08:56<abrotman>herm: either create a new bug, or append that one .. but your line of thinking does seem to be correct .. it seems to be seeing your mouse as a keyboard
08:57<abrotman>linuxbeginner: are you using expert mode?
08:57<linuxbeginner>but i also tried the expert
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08:57<sejerpz>s4br3, let me see if I find something inspiring on the net then ;)
08:58<linuxbeginner>tried exper/graphical
08:58<linuxbeginner>and normal
08:58<abrotman>linuxbeginner: using vmware ?
08:58<abrotman>linuxbeginner: did you give it enough RAM/disk ?
08:58<s4br3>sejerpz, I did look too, but it is an ocean...
08:59<sejerpz>did you found this how from ubuntu?
08:59<linuxbeginner>y i did
08:59<abrotman>linuxbeginner: and you setup a 32bit vm?
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08:59<abrotman>though i guess a 64bit one owuld be able to install 32bit debian
08:59<linuxbeginner>iam yousing hyperV from, sorry to say that, MS2008
09:00<sejerpz>s4br3, by the way what is the output of the aplay -D hw:0 file.wav command?
09:00<sejerpz>and after that command there something suspend in syslog or better dmesg?
09:00<abrotman>linuxbeginner: eh .. i have no idea about hyperv
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09:01<linuxbeginner>but the error code. what does it mean? abrotman
09:01<linuxbeginner> /build/buildd/*version* 135 (main): Cannot initialize debconf template database
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09:01<s4br3>sejerpz, Now I get "aplay: main:608: audio open error: Device or resource busy"
09:01<abrotman>debconf is a database of settings
09:02<linuxbeginner>settings for what?
09:02<herm>abrotman: thank you for your help and time. have a good day
09:02<sejerpz>may be pulseaudio is resurrected?
09:02<sejerpz>kill it ;)
09:02<abrotman>linuxbeginner: all kinds of system settings
09:02<dpkg>Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages.
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09:03<s4br3>pulseaudio --kill gives E: main.c: Failed to kill daemon: No such process
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09:04<yfk>I've turned a partition in a USB disk into a "virtual cd" I.E it shows as one when I insert it. but now gparted doesen't display this. how can I completely erase the USB disk?
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09:05<linuxbeginner>abrotman i thank you but one last question. there is allways one more line, after the error line wich says:(process:xxxx) INFO: kbd-mode: setting console mode to unicode (UTF-8)
09:05<s4br3>ok, I had another program running. Here is another [silent] output:
09:05<linuxbeginner>abrotman i thank you but one last question. there is allways one more line, after the error line wich says:(process:xxxx) INFO: kbd-mode: setting console mode to unicode (UTF-8)
09:05<s4br3>Playing WAVE 'thx.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 11025 Hz, Mono
09:05<s4br3>aplay: set_params:979: Sample format non available
09:05<abrotman>linuxbeginner: doesn't seem like an error as much as it's just giving information
09:06<s4br3>I had downloaded a wav from the www
09:06<linuxbeginner>i allways have such damn problems with linuxx, last time on my voip-server
09:07<linuxbeginner>i guess iam the problem
09:07<sejerpz>s4br3, Sample format non available is an error...
09:07<linuxbeginner>my server is 64-bit but the vmachine is 32-bit
09:07<sejerpz>so ok let's try with another wav file just wait
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09:08<s4br3>There are several at
09:09<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.0/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
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09:09<sejerpz>s4br3, try the moo :D
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09:10<themill>dpkg, moo =~ s/3.0/-link/
09:10<dpkg>themill: OK
09:10<s4br3>I just get a ASCII cow
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09:11<sejerpz>s4br3, damn
09:12<sejerpz>it's a pop... ok
09:12<s4br3>Silently: "Playing WAVE 'generic.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo"
09:13<sejerpz>but no error... so we are really stuck ;)
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09:15<s4br3>sometimes there is some .rc file to remove
09:15<sejerpz>in the case of alsa
09:15<sejerpz>there's .asoundrc
09:15<sejerpz>in your home
09:15<s4br3>I was thinking of .xinitrc
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09:16<s4br3>I don't have .asoundrc
09:16<sejerpz>but the aplay -D hw:0
09:16<sejerpz>should not use any rc file...
09:16<sejerpz>and going straight to the hardware device 0
09:17<s4br3>There is no hw0 in /dev
09:18<sejerpz>yes is an alsa id used by libasound and nothing similar cat like in oss
09:18<sejerpz>by the way I saw that you seem to have oss emulation on
09:19<sejerpz>can you see if you have a /dev/dsp ?
09:19<sejerpz>mmm.... are you member of group audio?!?!
09:19<s4br3>crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 14, 3 2009-09-06 15:53 dsp
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09:20<sejerpz>can you try this command cat thx.wav > /dev/dsp
09:20<s4br3>as root?
09:20<sejerpz>no as a normal user
09:21<s4br3> cat thx.wav > /dev/dsp gave sound!!!
09:21<s4br3>Sorry, cat generic.wav > /dev/dsp gave sound!!!
09:22<s4br3>Yes, and cat thx.wav > /dev/dsp gave sound too!!!
09:22<sejerpz>may be alsamixer or aplay is confused by the oss emulation
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09:22<sejerpz>you should try to disable it and see what you find in the mixer
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09:23<s4br3>Which one, and how?
09:23<sejerpz>to do you should remove the snd_pcm_oss moduls
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09:23<s4br3>How do I remove a module?
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09:24<sejerpz>s4br3, rmmod from root
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09:24<_budo>cant find the java plugin for iceweasel
09:24<sejerpz>there are more than one modules related to oss
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09:24<sejerpz>the are in the form snd_<something>_oss IIRC
09:24<dvs>s4br3: modprobe -r <module_name>
09:25<sejerpz>s4br3, dvs is right modprobe is better
09:25<s4br3>I did, and immediately there was a message from Phonon that it made a fallback to some other backend
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09:25<s4br3>I did "rmmod snd_pcm_oss"
09:25<s4br3>sejerpz, I didn't have the chance too see which
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09:26<sejerpz>but check if there is another module
09:26<leejongwook>hi :)
09:26<sejerpz>I think that also the mixer is emulated (I don't use oss from 1996 ;) )
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09:27<leejongwook>how do i upgrade nautilus ?
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09:28<s4br3>I think you need it for quake/doom
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09:29<s4br3>Now the VLC media player workjs!!!
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09:30<s4br3>But not Youtube
09:31<sejerpz>s4br3, I hate flash :D
09:31<s4br3>sejerpz, Yes, but I like Youtube...
09:31<sejerpz>s4br3, may be there was a flash instance already open before you removed the module?
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09:32<sejerpz>s4br3, I like it too...
09:32<s4br3>I'll logout and perhaps rebbot?
09:32<sejerpz>for you tube just close all your browser instances
09:32<sejerpz>and the reopen it
09:33<s4br3>I'll search for Gandinis Videocracy?
09:33<s4br3>Nope, still censored by RAI
09:33<s4br3>At least no sound... :(
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09:34<sejerpz>s4br3, ehehe you know italy ;)
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09:34<s4br3>or Sweden... ;)
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09:35<sejerpz>can you see if aplay now works?
09:35<s4br3>I visited Italia four times
09:35<sejerpz>where are you from?
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09:36<s4br3>$ cat thx.wav > /dev/dsp now gives $ cat thx.wav > /dev/dsp
09:36<s4br3>sejerpz, Estocolmo
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09:37<sejerpz>cat shouldn't work anymore... but aplay should
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09:37<sejerpz>and can you see if something chnaged in alsamixer?
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09:38<s4br3>It is a brief pling?
09:38*sejerpz is searching Estocolmo in google maps
09:39<sejerpz>beh Estocolmo = Stokholm
09:40<sejerpz>s4br3, flash 10 should just works with alsa
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09:41<s4br3>How do I tell my version? I got the onbe from debian
09:41<sejerpz>so... did you installed something like flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound?
09:42<sejerpz>s4br3, just right click onto the youtube video... if you see about flash 10, you know
09:42<s4br3>I think it was from
09:42<sejerpz>I've mine from debian sid
09:42<Zero>Excuse me, but can someone assist with a Samba issue? I use Gnome, and the gui for adding shares worked fine in etch, but in lenny it does not seem to "stick"
09:42<s4br3>It works now... Strange
09:43<s4br3>It is 10
09:43<Zero>I add them thru the gui tool (gnome
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09:43<sejerpz>s4br3, what is the best period to come and visit sweden in your opinion?
09:43<Zero>and it does not hold, as i open it agaibn, and none of the shares show in it, despite being added only a minute ago
09:43<s4br3>You are an angel! Thanks!!!
09:44<s4br3>s4br3, Anything except November...
09:44<sejerpz>you are lucky because I've the flu and I can't go out :D
09:44<sejerpz>why not November... too cold?
09:45<s4br3>November is cold w. rain. December-March cold w. snow! A lot better
09:45<linuxbeginner>i thin i just find out the solution
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09:45<sejerpz>ok, thank you
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09:46<s4br3>I'm gonna try warsow.
09:46<s4br3>Too risky?!
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09:47<s4br3>How to start the glxears to get the fps?
09:47<sejerpz>s4br3, no, now you know what were your problems... you should be able to fix it alone the next time...:D
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09:47<sejerpz>glxgears with the last xserver is tied to the vertical blank
09:47<s4br3>sejerpz! Mille grazie!
09:48<sejerpz>s4br3, prego!
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09:50<Zero>So, no-one has any idea?
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09:53<bdiamantis>so here i get and gine support for debian
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09:53<bdiamantis>nice stuff
09:54<bdiamantis>thats why i love community
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10:31<And1>Heya, what's the difference between /etc/modprobe.d/sound and /etc/modprobe.d/soundcards?
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10:38<TR181b5>Hi all, i have a qq regarding xog.conf... i am no specialist, am running squeeze and am fighting to get my dual monitor to work (xrandr)... but my question is, is it normal that my xorg.conf file is so short, like for the sections "screen", "device", "monitor" i only have one line, such as "Default screen", "confirgured video device" "configured monitor... when i browse the internet i always see pages of xorg.conf
10:38<TR181b5>I tried to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but still my file is so short... Do i have to enter everything manually?
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10:39<TR181b5>or is there another file being used instead of xorg.conf
10:39<petemc>X autoconfigures now, you can still manually add entries to xorg.conf tho
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10:40<TR181b5>makes sense, well then i probably have to try and do it manually then
10:42<musca>TR181b5: didn't you succeed with xranr? you have to call it once per session
10:42<TR181b5>wow, that's long, mine is half a page
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10:42<TR181b5>well i tried to use the gnome display tool but it always fails,
10:42<TR181b5>so i am digging into cli using xrandr
10:42<yepun>does anyone here know his/her way into the CUDA nvidia library?
10:43<TR181b5>but i am only able to "mirror" screens when i would actually like to have an extended desktop
10:43<_budo>does anyone know how to get java working in debian
10:43<And1>How do I remove my cdburner (/dev/scd1) and add my dvdburner so it also gets /dev/scd1, and not scd2?
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10:44<cahoot>And1: I'd suspect via some udev rule
10:45<TR181b5>do you happen to know if there is a parameter to pass using xrandr to extend the screen.. i am currently doing xrandr --output VGA --mode 1280x1024
10:45<And1>cahoot: What exaclty does that mean?
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10:46<TR181b5>but what happens is then that my external screen displays correctly and my laptop displays a partial mirror of it (it is a widescreen)#
10:46<cahoot>And1: look in /etc/udev/rules.d
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10:47<And1>cahoot: Ah great, thanks.
10:47<TR181b5>googling this issue makes me think that the problem is coming from my xorg.conf file, where i would have to add a line concerning an eventual second screen
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10:48<petemc>TR181b5: sounds like you want xinerama
10:48<TR181b5>sounds yummi
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10:48<petemc>in my xorg.conf i have it commented out
10:49<TR181b5>am checking your file for the moment
10:50<musca>_budo: as there are several javas available, you may have to set yours with update-alternatives --config java
10:50<freezed>Thanks for all and have a nice day
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10:51<TR181b5>Petemc, am i to understand that xinerama is not required to achieve extended desktop?
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10:52<petemc>TR181b5: i think in some cases, depends on the driver
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10:59<xeon-enouf>TR181b5: maybe /msg dpkg dual monitors ?
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11:04<vinicius>hi! im trying to find some documentation about how to share a network connection throught a wireless card
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11:05<petemc>vinicius: ive done it in the past with iptables and clients connect ad hoc
11:05<vinicius>petemc, thats what im looking for
11:05<vinicius>petemc, but im not familiar enough to iptables
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11:06<ml|>how can i tell at what sample rate a soundcard is currently using?
11:07<vinicius>petemc, any idea of a more directioned documentation?
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11:07<petemc>i dont know any off hand, but theres nothing special required
11:07<TR181b5>@xeon-enouf: what do you mean by /msg dkpg dual monitors?
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11:08<vinicius>petemc, can you help me on this?
11:09<vinicius>petemc, i mean... scratching the if-up config
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11:10<petemc>vinicius: im sure if you get stuck either i or someone else can help you
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11:11<vinicius>petemc, nice... ill try to learn some here
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11:19<xeon-enouf>TR181b5: i mean type "/msg dkpg dual monitors" in your irc client
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11:20<xeon-enouf>TR181b5: then see the PM [dpkg] sent to you (likely in a separate window)
11:20<TR181b5>thanks, new to IRC
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11:31<Chubbz1>Does anyone know anything about the "powermizer" tab in nvidia-settings? I'm trying to underclock my card so it doesn't run as hot.
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11:33<vinicius>petemc, well... my internet connection comes from ppp0, an ttyUSB0 modem
11:34<vinicius>can i set ppp0 as a wan, even if its nor listed on /etc/network/interfaces ?
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11:40<_budo>iceweasel does not run java
11:40<Chubbz1>_budo: did you install the JRE?
11:40<_budo>i have the jdk
11:41<_budo>its some issue with it wont allow java applet pop ups
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11:41<ml|>how can i tell at what sample rate a soundcard is currently using?
11:42<cahoot>just run speaker-test?
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11:44<cahoot>else mplayer tends to report like: AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
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11:44<ml|>cahoot: thanks, so that would be the same when playing something, correct?
11:46<cahoot>unless you actively changes it I guess
11:46<themill>_budo: did you use update-java-alternatives to select the correct java plugin?
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11:48<szkud>Hi, I am curious if anyone knows if there is a way to install linux on a ppc PowerBook with no OS on it at all.
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11:49<ml|>cahoot: thanks, mplayer reports the same when playing a file and i never noticed that on mplayer output
11:50<cahoot>ml|: mplayer -srate to change if you want
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11:54<ml|>i'm trying to setup mpd and it's using format "44100:16:2" , so that would mean evrything will be down sampled to 44100hz?
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11:57<cahoot>I hope you don't expect me to answer
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12:05<vasdia>hello people
12:06<vasdia>does anyone know what is the best web gui for asterisk on debian lenny
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12:08<zem>i get "grub-install: 400: cmp: not found", found that new command is diff instead of cmp, but can cmp still be installed from repos or do i have to make some simbolic link?
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12:15<vasdia>is anyone here??
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12:17<wekt>if not, dpkg is tireless
12:18<mallards>im trying to install lenny and im getting this error message: Sep 6 15:48:26 kernel: [ 3082.542547] frontend[1137]: segfault at 3 ip 0810111d sp bf806180 error 4 in perl[8048000+131000]
12:18<mallards>any ideas?
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12:21<locklace>!tell wenze about cn
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12:21<dpkg>cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
12:21<dpkg>i guess cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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12:23<themill>wenze: /join #debian-zh
12:23<legnaleurc>...just go to #debian-zh
12:23<legnaleurc>or stay here and speak English
12:24<wenze>ok!i see
12:24<wenze>and ,who r u?
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13:00<s4br3>Me, listening to, music!!!
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13:42<abrotman>you have to ask an actual question first
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13:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:55<debinst>who knows lvm
13:56<Patooool>i dont know
13:56<debinst>i mean: i have a disk with lvm on it. i want to read stuff from it. how do i mount the partitions inside the lvm?
13:57<debinst>i'm running Debian 5.0.2 if that helps
13:58<Patooool>i using windows :P
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13:59<vook>debinst: man lvm
14:00<debinst>i know all man pages of lvm
14:00<debinst>...and the 20 man pages of lvm commands
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14:01<debinst> pages don't tell me how to open the lvm, just how to use it when it's open already
14:01<Patooool>spadaj go¶ci
14:02<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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14:03<Patooool>yes pl
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14:05<locklace>debinst: vgscan --mknodes; vgchange -aly
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14:06<Patooool>Polska!! to to ru - bia³o czerwoni
14:07<sney>if you have questions please use english
14:07<Patooool>ok.. i have not questions
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14:08<sney>this is a support channel. if you just want to chat, please go somewhere else.
14:10<Patooool>For example, how chanel?
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14:11<wekt>If this sounds like a sarcastic question, it is not intended to be: Has anyone gotten a Java web browser plugin in Squeeze to work? If so, which one? I've tried icedtea, icedtea-gcj, and sun-java6: none work.
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14:14<sney>wekt: I have sun-java6 and the java detector is telling me it's installed and working (if old, by sun's standards)
14:15<sney>it's working, though
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14:16<wekt>did you install by debian package or download from sun?
14:16<sney>the former
14:17<sney>that's why it's "old", the apt one is version 6 rev 14, and sun is currently on 6 rev 16
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14:18<wekt>the sun plugin always complains about not being able to network and then 'class not found'
14:19<sney>have you updated lately?
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14:20<wekt>yes. ¼ hour ago
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14:21<sney>check bts for the plugin and your browser, maybe someone else has a workaround
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14:41<TheEvilOne>can anyone here help me figure out how to get my wifi working
14:41<abrotman>does the device work at all ?
14:41<zem>what chipset?
14:42<TheEvilOne>Broadcom BCM 4322
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14:42<TheEvilOne>yes the device works but I cant get it to show networks or connecto to them
14:42<TheEvilOne>when i use ubuntu it works fine out of box
14:43<TheEvilOne>in debian I cant figure out how to even display the available networks clicking on it doesnt bring up the list like in ubuntu
14:43<TheEvilOne>and when I try to manually confiure it it doesnt even give me a spot for wifi only ethernet
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14:44<abrotman>did you use the b43-fwcutter ?
14:45<TheEvilOne>dont think i need it
14:45<TheEvilOne>i use the wl driver in Ubuntu and it works fine, b43 doesnt work at all with my chipset
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14:45<TheEvilOne>you think I need to install the driver? i didnt check that I figured it was installed automatically during installation
14:45<dpkg>Broadcom BCM4321 and BCM4322-based wireless LAN devices are not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. Ask me about <ndiswrapper> or use the non-free vendor driver, ask about <wl>.
14:46<dpkg>[wl] Broadcom's non-free "hybrid" driver, supporting wireless LAN devices based on the BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4321 or BCM4322 chipset; for x86 and x86-64 only. Supports the BCM4312 low-power variant (14e4:4315). Packaged for Debian <testing>. To install, ask me about <wl one-liner> or follow the instructions at . For support of other Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>.
14:46<sney>ndiswrapper tends to work extremely well with the broadcom stuff
14:46<abrotman>TheEvilOne: which version of debian are you using ?
14:46<abrotman>TheEvilOne: or which do you intend to use ?
14:46<TheEvilOne>i have it installed in a dualboot right now with LinuxMint and I am currently running Mint
14:47<abrotman>TheEvilOne: you'll either have to use ndiswrapper .. or get the wl-source package and try to build it on lenny
14:47<TheEvilOne>I here the ndiswrapper isnt as good as wl
14:48<sney>it's likely missing features
14:48<TheEvilOne>im reading in forums right now that wl works far better for debian and my chipset
14:48<TheEvilOne>so do i compile it just like any other thing?
14:49<sney>the instructions will be in the source package
14:49<sney>usually in a file called README or INSTALL
14:49<sney>since it's broadcom proprietary, it may be funky.
14:50<TheEvilOne>so i can just get it off the broadcom site?
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14:50<abrotman>TheEvilOne: you can get the wl-source package and try that
14:50<TheEvilOne>hey do you know of any good website for debian how-to's or blogsites for debian
14:50<abrotman>judd: versions wl-source
14:50<judd>abrotman: wl-source --
14:50<TheEvilOne>I normally go to Tuxarena for ubuntu howto
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14:51<abrotman>judd: versions broadcom-sta-source
14:51<judd>abrotman: broadcom-sta-source -- squeeze/non-free: sid/non-free:
14:51<sney> is supposed to be the good one. it's still a work in progress.
14:51<sney>also, has a lot of useful distro-independent stuff
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14:54<abrotman>you could try to wget .. then install it .. then m-a prepare; m-a install broadcom-sta ?
14:54<abrotman>no idea if it will build on the .26 from lenny
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14:59<chiku>there is no 5.0.3 ISO image yet?
15:00<sney>do you mean squeeze/testing? There are only netinst iso images for testing.
15:01<kop>chiku: Dunno. It's not necessary. You can always just install and then update.
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15:01<chiku>I don't about update that's why talking about ISO images
15:02<chiku>for CDs
15:02<abrotman>chiku: probably not, but you can install 5.0.2 and upgrade
15:02<kop>chiku: I don't understand "about update". I mean: aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade
15:02<chiku>I know about upgrade
15:02<chiku>not talking about upgarde
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15:02<chealer>sney: wrong
15:03<sney>yeah I know I just googled
15:03<kop>chiku: The announcement did say that there was a new installer, I think.
15:03<sney>that was kind of a quiet release if you're not on the mailing lists
15:03<chiku>it's trike question
15:03<chiku>not question around
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15:03<chiku>new installer isn't for squeeze?
15:03<chiku>with grub2 by defaut
15:04<sney>anyway chiku 5.0.3 only came out 3 days ago, making ISO sets takes time. wait.
15:04<chiku>and new init.d sequence
15:04<chiku>yep, but not i386 1st?
15:04<chiku>and 1st CD 1st :)
15:04<sney>I'm not a developer so I don't know their methods
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15:04<sney>all I know is, if you are patient, it will come
15:05<chiku>or they wait alal platform with all images are ready
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15:06<sney>my guess is 1 platform at a time
15:06<chiku>my question wasn't clear? why people think I want to upgrad my OS or something ?
15:06<kop>chiku: Or, it just doesn't matter because people can update. (Although I've always found it odd that debian depends on the net so heavily. I.e. I don't see how you can run debian with just a dialup connection. The updates would take forever.)
15:06<sney>I did that with potato once
15:06<chiku>it's not for my using
15:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 381] by debhelper
15:07<sney>it was kind of tedious
15:07<chiku>it's a question
15:07<kop>chiku: Update refers to going from 5.0.2 to 5.0.3, for example.
15:07<chiku>not sub question around
15:07<sney>most people who come here are already using debian
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15:08<chiku>my question it's about ISO images
15:08<sney>it's the #debian support channel. for debian users, you know? except those ubuntu guys who show up by accident, I would usually assume someone asking about the next incremental release of Lenny just wants to use it themself
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15:08<sney>yes chiku and your question has been answered
15:08<chiku>because I want test and use them
15:08<chiku>not to upgrade
15:08<kop>chiku: Right, we answered. A) We don't know. B) You don't need it. You install 5.0.2 and then upgrade.
15:08<sney>chealer: am I invisible or something?
15:09<chiku># debian, my question about lenny :) not freebsd 8beta4
15:09<kop>sney: You're probably speaking english.
15:09<abrotman>chiku: then you'll have to wait .. they're not done yet
15:09<sney>^ SEE
15:09<chealer>sney: sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about.
15:10<kop>chiku: If you really want to know more there's a channel for the installer. I forget what it is....
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15:11<chiku>ok I know this chan
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15:11<sney>no, I don't think that's it.
15:11<chiku>hey sney stop to get me wrong :p
15:12<chiku>* Topic for #debian-boot is: Debian Installer development channel
15:12<hxB5>Hi there, do you know which tools would be good to: Within an encrypted LVM with 3 logical volume (swap, /, /home
15:12<hxB5>reduce /home and extend /
15:12<abrotman>chiku: we already gave you the answer ..
15:13<hxB5>i find a bunch of tutorial for resizing physical volumes, but so far zippo concerning the LVs..
15:13<kop>hxB5: lvextend + resize2fs + something else for the encryption maybe.
15:14<abrotman>kop: now he's asking them the question we already answered five times ...
15:14<sney>guy just doesn't give up
15:14<hxB5>thx kop
15:14<abrotman>or doesn't comprehend
15:14<sney>I think he won't settle for anything short of "why yes we just finished them, here they are <link>"
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15:16<Curalton>i am using debian/sid and after an aptitude safe-upgrade yesterday my X is just presenting a black screen
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15:17<Curalton>i can not ctrl-alt-backspace it away, but sysrq works
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15:17<Curalton>i.e. i can restart via sysrq-b
15:18<Curalton>starting without X, removing xorg.conf and just starting "X" as root gives the same result
15:18<themill>chiku, sney: why, we just finished them, here they are To use them, install then run "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade".
15:18<Curalton>the debian sid upgrade was a rather large one, +6 month, but everything else seemed to work.
15:18<Curalton>any hints as to what might be broken?
15:19<hxB5>have you checked the X logs?
15:19<hxB5>see what errors are in there?
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15:20<Curalton>ah, right, ill check these
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15:25<abrotman>Curalton: using which driver?
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15:31<chiku>themill, Idon't care about upgrade
15:31<chiku>my question is about ISO images
15:31<themill>chiku: do you know what upgrade actually does?
15:31<chiku>I don't care
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15:33<themill>Why not? You can't just install and forget -- you need to keep on top of security updates too
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15:33<chiku>my question is since 3days after announce, any ISO images out? is it normal if there are not yet? any problem
15:33<abrotman>yes, it's normal .. just be patient
15:34<themill>chiku: updated iso images aren't very important
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15:44<Curalton>abrotman / hxB5 - it was the missing hal daemon (x log: [config/hal] couldn't initialise context: (null) ((null)) )
15:44<Curalton>forgot i could look at the logs after a reboot as well, thanks hxB5 :)
15:45<Curalton>i have a dislike for all this new hal udev and whatnot magic. or i need to read up on how this stuff works and what it does
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15:48<debinst> i have a disk with lvm on it. i want to read stuff from it. how do i mount the partitions inside the lvm?
15:49<hxB5>encrypted lvm?
15:49<debinst>maybe - is there a difference
15:49<hxB5>kind of!
15:49<debinst>i mean does that require different commmands to open the lvm?
15:49<hxB5>i am deep in the shit with these thing for the moment :-)
15:50<hxB5>is it an external drive?
15:50<debinst>it's what the debian installer put there
15:50<debinst>internal device but different computer
15:50<hxB5>what OS? Debian
15:50<debinst>i guess i could make it an external device to the current computer
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15:50<debinst>os = debian 5.0.2
15:51<debinst>there's all these lvm commands: lvmresize, lvmwhatnot, ...
15:51<hxB5>maybe try vgscan as root
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15:51<linuxlovesme>dear community every time iam typing wget i get a error msg says: "couldt not *i dunno the englisch sentence*
15:52<debinst>it says:
15:52<hxB5>maybe also check that you have the lvm2 package
15:52<linuxlovesme>the errormsg should be like could not "check" the host address"
15:53<debinst>found volume group "data" using metadata type lvm2
15:53<debinst>but how do i open it?
15:53<hxB5>you can check the content with lvdisplay
15:53<hxB5>and then mount it
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15:53<debinst>mount it like regular device?
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15:54<debinst>like: mount /dev/hda1 /partition1 ?
15:54<hxB5>give it a try... i am still figuring these things for myself too so...
15:54<abrotman>linuxlovesme: resolve ?
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15:55<hxB5>i think you may need to run a "vgchange -ay" too
15:56<debinst>i'll try that
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16:02<musca>linuxlovesme: it is a mirror for freenet customers, are you?
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16:08<musca>no, that's not the case, sorry
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16:10<svksrz>Debian-502a-i386-netinst.iso -- which kernel will this come with and is there any way to install it with one newer than default?
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16:13<themill>judd kernels --release lenny
16:13<judd>themill: Available kernel versions are: lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17)
16:13<themill>svksrz: ^^ also /msg dpkg kmuto
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16:15<svksrz>Thanks all
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16:34<Die_Linke>localhost, shut up
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16:34<localhost>do you dont speak on this channel?
16:34<Ganneff>localhost: do you have any debian problem?
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16:34<localhost>no i have a linux OS
16:34<localhost>linux MINT sorry xD
16:35<localhost>but i want spea kk with you
16:35<localhost>(all of you)
16:35<localhost>wich channel is oonly for speak?=
16:35<hxB5>how do you like it? Is a debian offspring?
16:35<Ganneff>this is not a chat channel. if you dont have a debian problem look elsewhere please
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16:35<localhost>okey good bye
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16:36<hxB5>never heard of Mint :-( is it a derivative of Debian?
16:36<hxB5>will google it
16:36<Tekla>core2quad is "amd64", right?
16:37<hxB5>quote from the website: "It is a Debian-based distribution and as such it is very solid and it comes with one of the greatest package managers." not so off-topic i guess...
16:38<tumbeliina>i tried Mint, but i find it too ubuntu like
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16:39<Tekla>can i have aye or naye plz?
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16:41<amphi>Tekla: yes
16:41<Tekla>thank you
16:41<hxB5>core2quad is an intel cpu
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16:41<cahoot>if it's 64 bit you can use amd64
16:41<arw>cordial greetings, whe i try to use the usb ports with kvm i get «could not add USB device host...»
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16:42<arw>and the usb are disable
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16:43<arw>i follow this without luck
16:43<amphi>Tekla: what moel coew 2 quad?
16:44<Tekla>errmm... model i get but coew?
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16:44<Tekla>not sure really...
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16:45<Tekla>intel core2quad .. not i7
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16:47<amphi>Tekla: like q8400 or whatever
16:49<Tekla>dunno :)
16:49<Tekla>does it matter?
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16:54<hxB5>Anyone knows of a way to easily tile multiple windows vertically/horizontally with GNOME?
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16:55<abrotman>hxB5: probably depends on your window manager
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16:57<svksrz>hxB5: sudo apt-get install stumpwm && sudo apt-get remove --purge gnome
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16:58<hxB5>that's sounds a bit radical
16:58<svksrz>Far out dude, it sure it.
16:58<svksrz>wikipedia stumpwm
16:58<hxB5>on it
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16:59<hxB5>@svksrz: way to go!
16:59<svksrz>in all honesty it was awesome, but in some respects it was just ALRIGHT, and that forced me to switched to lxd(e/m)
16:59<hxB5>written in LISP
16:59<svksrz>Yeah def
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17:03<ml|>hxB5: you can that using xmonad as gnome's wm instead of metacity, i think it's listed here ... faq: ,
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17:04<hxB5>thx ml |
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17:05<ml|>hxB5: might be possible with another tiling wm, but i use xmonad :)
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17:25<K4>Hi. By running lshal in Lenny I cannot find my connected printer (Brother MFC-540CW), none of UDIs has the "printer.device" property. But in Ubuntu 9.04 I can see these properties in HAL. What does Lenny lack? Maybe some database with ids?
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17:29<chealer>K4: how is your printer connecter?
17:31<K4>chealer: This is USB printer. The weirdness is that I can see its Vendor and Model in "lsusb -v", it is "idVendor 0x04f9 Brother Industries, Ltd" and "idProduct 0x0197 MFC-640CW", but it doesn't exist in HAL map
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17:32<K4>chealer: This blocks autoconfiguration through hal-cups-utils, because HAL cannot determine correct vendor and model
17:32<K4>for some reason...
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17:44<Die_Linke>I think my computer is heating.
17:44<wim>what makes you think so
17:45<wim>wow, you computer needs cooling
17:45<Die_Linke>Is that bad?
17:45<wim>could be
17:45<wim>I had a similar problem with my Asus
17:46<Die_Linke>It's debian how is heating my computer
17:46<Die_Linke>on windows this doesn't happens
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17:47<kop>Die_Linke: One thing to try is a newer kernel from
17:47<kop>Die_Linke: The other is to tell us more about your hardware.
17:47<wim>that's strange but it could be that in Windows your computer is not running on full speed
17:47<wim>power saving
17:48<wim>In Debian the CPU normally runs on full power
17:49<kop>wim: I'm not up on it, but that does not sound right.
17:50<wim>In Windows you can choose power saving, in that case the CPU runs slow when it has nothing to do, only when you start number crunching the CPU goes to full speed
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17:51<dpkg>Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or, or generally better than APM but see also <swsusp>, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see
17:52<wim>On my Asus PC I had a similar problem, in my case it was dust in the fan and the CPU not contacting the cooler completely. It is a known problem for certain Asus PC's
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17:52<kop>ml| Still, 80C is too hot.
17:53<wim>absolutely, try to let your CPU run slower
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17:54<ml|>yes, it's but using cpufrequtils can't hurt
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17:55<wim>I think Die Linke is out now
17:55<ml|>just commenting that the same can be done in liunx
17:55<Die_Linke>I am here
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17:56<Die_Linke>dunno if 80C is that bad
17:56<wim>OK, what kind of PC do you have
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17:56<Die_Linke>on windows its just 50c
17:56<wim>but do you run it at full speed in Windows?
17:57<wim>what distribution of linux are you using?
17:58<wim>which version
17:58<Die_Linke>the last one
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18:00<wim>ok, I am searching how to control CPU speed, this is probably the problem, you might be oevrclocking
18:00<Die_Linke>my mobo is a dx58so
18:01<Die_Linke>intel core i7-920 box
18:01<Die_Linke>6 gb ram ddr3 1333 mhz
18:02<wim>that's really good specs
18:02<Die_Linke>my pc sucks
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18:03<wim>your PC should be running really fast and not suck
18:03<Die_Linke>I am kidding. My pc is not heating, I don't that pc, but it's funny make people waste time with it. :-)
18:04<wim>you sound like a whizz kid
18:04<ml|>not funny to waste peoples time
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18:05<wim>Die Linke where are you? In Germany?
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18:06*ml| points to #debian-offtopic
18:06<wim>is the weather better there
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18:08<Die_Linke>the guy get bored after my epic win
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18:08<Die_Linke>and left
18:08<Ganneff>do you have any debian topic left?
18:08<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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18:10<ml|>Die_Linke: #debian is not for you to play, go somewehere else
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18:10<Ganneff>hrm. reading backlog, actually
18:10-!-mode/#debian [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ
18:11-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*hehe@*] by Ganneff
18:11-!-Die_Linke was kicked from #debian by Ganneff [Die_Linke]
18:11-!-mode/#debian [-o Ganneff] by Ganneff
18:11<ml|>Ganneff: thanks, he's in #debian-offtopic
18:12<Ganneff>well. there this crap would fit
18:12<Ganneff>its a little harder to enforce a topic there :)
18:13<themill>Playing nicely with the other kiddies is still expected in #d-ot.
18:13<ml|>hehe, yes just he is bothering me now
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18:13<hxB5>Do anyone here do C++ development in Debian... i am looking for a good IDE thinking of code::blocks for the moment..
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18:14<themill>hxB5: kdevelop is a nice IDE for C++
18:14<hxB5>does it work in GNOME?
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18:15<themill>yes, it will work fine. try it and see if it does what you like
18:15<hxB5>thx themill!
18:16<K4>hxB5: kdevelop 2.1.5 is the best
18:16<hxB5>from 2003?
18:16<hxB5>any specific reason why not the new one?
18:17<K4>New one is like a new Nero for Windows
18:17<K4>tons of useless crap
18:17<themill>kdevelop 3.5.x are quite good
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18:18<K4>as for me, I prefer mc :). You can try QtCreator by Trolltech, I heard that it is possible to write inn pure C++ there
18:18<hxB5>for me mc is midnight commander, correct?
18:18<themill>wth is "pure C++" as opposed to what you'd write in any other editor?
18:19<abrotman>themill: visual C++ :)
18:19<K4>themill: it is supposed to write Qt programs, so I belive it will be some magic to write non-Qt program there :)
18:20<themill>Qt being a library that you call from C++ programs...
18:20<K4>But QtCrreator is very good IDE for Qt
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18:21<hxB5>has anyone tried out code::blocks?
18:21<K4>It seems that we will be kicked now :)
18:21<hxB5>i think they have made an unofficial port for Debain
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18:22<hxB5>but anyway, kdevelop seems nice.
18:22<hxB5>will give it a shot. thx
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18:26<K4>hxB5: It seems codeblocks have Ubuntu packages
18:26<K4>You can try to install them
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18:27<LinuxOwnsMe>hi community!
18:28<LinuxOwnsMe>how do i check my ip settings on debian?
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18:28<LinuxOwnsMe>any ideas?
18:28<K4>cat /etc/network/interfaces - configuration file. Run "ifconfig" as root to see your current runtime configuration
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18:28<ml|> /sbin/ifconfig
18:29<ml|>^ regular user
18:29<LinuxOwnsMe>k4 i thank you
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18:30<K4>you are welcome
18:31<LinuxOwnsMe>is there any graphical-mode
18:31<LinuxOwnsMe>where i can change the settings
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18:31<K4>I also can recommend tray tools like KNemo in KDE
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18:33<odicomplexx>do you now a turkısh?
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18:34<odicomplexx>türkçe biliyor musun?
18:35<odicomplexx>where are you from?
18:35<LinuxOwnsMe>y i know turkish but its recomenend to stay english
18:35<odicomplexx>ok.. where are you from?
18:36<odicomplexx>how old are you?
18:36<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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18:39<LinuxOwnsMe>how do i close documents without savin on vi?
18:40<odicomplexx_>ı don't understand you:)
18:40<odicomplexx_>my english is (mini) :)
18:40<LinuxOwnsMe>ty abrotman
18:40<odicomplexx_>best irc (debian) ?
18:41<odicomplexx_>q! ?
18:41<daimyo>sorry, :q! exactly
18:42<odicomplexx_>ı am using xchat?
18:42<odicomplexx_>is xchat good ?
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18:43<odicomplexx_>are you use a debian
18:43<dpkg>from memory, tr is türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on, or
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18:44<LinuxOwnsMe>okay and what about editing vi dokuments? i just opened the network interface but there is non listed except the usual line + " the primary network interface allow .."
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18:44<odicomplexx_>ı don't now..
18:45<LinuxOwnsMe>odicomplexx just as dpkg told you jin
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18:49<shadowpho>I installed windows while trying to dual boot, and now trying to recover my Grub using the Super Grub Floppy
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18:49<shadowpho>root(hd0,0) works fine, but kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda0 ro fails with error 2:
18:49<shadowpho>can someone help me recover my linux installation?
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18:50<shadowpho>my 'find /vmlinuz' doesn't find anything
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18:50<odicomplexx>türk olan var mı?
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18:51<shadowpho>my 'cat (hd0, [TAB]' gives me part numbers 0,2,3,5 where 0 and 5 are ext2fs, part type 0x83
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18:51<odicomplexx>el pueblo unido jama sera vencido:)
18:51<themill>odicomplexx: /server ; /join
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18:51<odicomplexx> is dead
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18:52<mantra>hey is there an easy way to convert wma to mp3?
18:52<mantra>like a gui app?
18:52<shadowpho>adb: with a star?
18:52<odicomplexx>ı can't install a nvidia driver?
18:52<shadowpho>adb: same error: Error 2: bad file or directory type
18:52<vasdia>hello guys is this a channel for debian servers or workstations?
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18:53<odicomplexx>hello dinomite
18:53<themill>vasdia: just ask
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18:53<jbaer>Hi folks. I just did a jaunty upgrade, and have kernel modules in my apt database which have no files. apt-get doesn't like that :(
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18:54<vasdia>can you sugest a web interface for asterisk?
18:54<K4>jbaer: it's Debian channel, not Ubuntu :)
18:54<jbaer>Yeah, but it's still the apt system, eh?
18:54<ml|>jbaer /j #ubuntu on freenode
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18:55<shadowpho>What does "Error 2: Bad File or directory type" means anyhow?
18:56<K4>shadowpho: grub Cannot read given file or directory
18:56<K4>shadowpho: probably kernel/initrd file
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18:56<shadowpho>K4: can I check with cat for any other file?
18:57<themill>Grub error 2: Bad file or directory type This error is returned if a file requested is not a regular file, but something like a symbolic link, directory, or FIFO.
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18:57<abrotman>jbaer: please go to #ubuntu on .. this channel does not support ubuntu
18:59<jbaer>I'm asking over there. Just figured help with package issues might, since it's still Debian, might be here.
18:59<shadowpho>themill: that makes sense... I think my /vmlinuz IS a symbolic link
19:00<shadowpho>Is there a wildcar for find in grub?
19:00<abrotman>jbaer: that's the point .. it's not Debian
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19:00<jbaer>Well, is there a generic apt/dpkg channel?
19:01<hxB5>Hey, i am having some issues to install vmware on squeeze, and i think it might be linked to my kernel (2.6.30-1-686)... unfortunately it is the only one available from my GRUB list... is installing an older kernel (like 2.6.26) an epic adventure or is it "easy"
19:01<jackyf>jbaer: #debian-dpkg, #debian-apt
19:01<themill>jbaer: you got your apt from ubuntu and it's their packages that are problematic -- they are the best people to ask.
19:01<jbaer>jackyf: Thx
19:01<shadowpho>is there an official grub channel?
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19:01<themill>jbaer: they are development channels. Your questions are unlikely to be welcome in there.
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19:02<abrotman>jackyf: wtf .. he's not running debian
19:02<streuner>shadowpho: no idea, but usually the website mention IRC channel or/and support...
19:02*themill makes jackyf go off to #debian-dpkg to help jbaer
19:03<shadowpho>streuner: aha, #grub at freenode
19:03<shadowpho>can someone try helping me here before I go there please :)?
19:03<kop>!tell hxB5 -about make-kpkg
19:04<jackyf>abrotman, themill: my fault, read only last his question
19:04<hxB5>thx kop
19:05<shadowpho>Is there any text file I can cat in grub to figure out if grub can read from HDD?
19:06<ml|>make-kpkg is great, hxB5 might want to read debian kernel docs dpkg suggests
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19:07*jackyf has explained that privately to him now
19:07<hxB5>thx guys... kind of new around here... am diving into debian... still a long way to go!
19:07<themill>!beer jackyf
19:07*dpkg pours a litre of Bornem Tripple for jackyf
19:08<themill>you might need that
19:08<ml|>heh :)
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19:09<ml|>hxB5: do you know how to use dpkg-bot here?
19:10<hxB5>am readinf the FAQ for the moment
19:10<hxB5>but haven't catched the dpkg thing yet
19:10<ml|>hxB5: /msg dpkg dpkgbot and selftell
19:11<hxB5>Cool! thx!
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19:12<ml|>np dpkg is very helpful :)
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19:26<shadowpho>I forgot my user password, but I remember my root password. How can I reset my user password?
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19:27<adb>passwd username, as root
19:27<shadowpho>adb: thank you! worked like a charm
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19:32<ReV>this is pretty cool
19:32<ReV>no one talk in here or what
19:33<ReV>ok then
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19:43<LinuxOwnsMe>when iam tiping su (for example) ts is it normal that i get a $
19:44<LinuxOwnsMe>eg i tip in su ts
19:44<LinuxOwnsMe>and i get xxx:$
19:44<LinuxOwnsMe>normal or paranormal^^
19:44<themill>LinuxOwnsMe: use "su -" not just "su".
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19:45<LinuxOwnsMe>su - ts?
19:46<LinuxOwnsMe>its the same
19:46<shadowpho>how do I check ext3?
19:46<shadowpho>is it fsck just like ext2?
19:46<LinuxOwnsMe>i guess its normal
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19:48<ml|>themill: may i ask why, they do the samething, but su - sends you to /root/ and su just keeps you in current dir, do use su -
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19:48<ml|>s/, do/, i do/
19:49<shadowpho>I believe that su - also keeps your enviromnet variables -- or the other way
19:50<hxB5>sudo e2fsck -f can also check the filesystem i think
19:50<hxB5>and it works wit ext3
19:51<ml|>ah, from manpage of su ... Provide an environment similar to what the user would expect had the user logged in directly. i never noticed this
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19:51<LinuxOwnsMe>nevermind, i have an other problem now. actually the same problem the day started with: when iam tipin wget
19:52<LinuxOwnsMe>i get an errorcode
19:52<LinuxOwnsMe>in german called: kann die host-addresse nicht auflösen
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19:52<LinuxOwnsMe>wich means in us the cant "auflösen" the host-address
19:53<ml|>LinuxOwnsMe: there is a german channel
19:53<LinuxOwnsMe>i just dunno the english word
19:53<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
19:53<ml|>that might easier for you
19:53<LinuxOwnsMe>naah english is national
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19:54<LinuxOwnsMe>i wanna try this in english
19:54<LinuxOwnsMe>lets give it a try;)
19:54<shadowpho>hxB5: thank you
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19:54<LinuxOwnsMe>you have any solutionß
19:54<ml|>ok, but some of what you are saying is hard to understand
19:55<LinuxOwnsMe>after typing wget + address i get a error code oqqured which say he cant handle the host-address
19:55<ml|>oh, shadowpho left can also force an fsck with shutdown -rF now
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19:55<LinuxOwnsMe>but the address is correct
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19:56<LinuxOwnsMe>any idea`?
19:56<ml|>LinuxOwnsMe: have you tried with another site?
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19:57<LinuxOwnsMe>the link is just workin fine about the browser
19:59<ml|>ok, so you will help with that use ... LANG=C 'command' and paste the output to a pastebin then paste the link here
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20:00<LinuxOwnsMe>sorry iam using linux over a virtual machine
20:00<LinuxOwnsMe>i cant copy and paste:(
20:01<hxB5>are you using vmware?
20:01<LinuxOwnsMe>hyper v^^
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20:02<ml|>do it inside the vm
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20:02<LinuxOwnsMe>what you mean with that?
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20:04<edbian>I am setting up a debian server for NAT. Is this a good guide to follow?
20:04<ml|>do what i suggested in the vm and you can use the browser in the vm to paste the output to a pastebin like and type the link here or join here with vm
20:04<ml|>LinuxOwnsMe: ^
20:06<hxB5>dunno if that will help:
20:06<edbian>Does anybody see anything that's missing from this guide?
20:09<ml|>LinuxOwnsMe: and if all you have is tty install gpm /msg dpkg gpm
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20:12<ml|>LinuxOwnsMe: LANG=C 'command' <--- place your command in place of 'command'
20:13<LinuxOwnsMe>i did
20:13<LinuxOwnsMe>look at the jpg
20:13<hxB5> do you have any issues to resolve any addresses from the vm?
20:13<ml|>i did you need to look at is gain
20:13<hxB5>for example if you launch firefox, can you go to google?
20:14<ml|>*it again
20:14<hxB5>maybe a dns issue? It says it cannot resolve the
20:14<ml|>hmm, let me try
20:15<LinuxOwnsMe>the firefox browser is my main server
20:15<LinuxOwnsMe>dns everything allright#
20:15<LinuxOwnsMe>the virtual server is the problem
20:15<LinuxOwnsMe>but i set static ip
20:16<LinuxOwnsMe>annd i tried a ping#
20:16<hxB5>did you set properly the gateway?
20:16<LinuxOwnsMe>wit success
20:16<hxB5>maybe try with the IP addrerss instead of the name
20:16<ml|>works fine here ...
20:17<LinuxOwnsMe>ml| if you ping
20:17<LinuxOwnsMe>does it work?
20:18<edbian>What does this iptables rule mean? iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth0 -j REJECT
20:18<edbian>block packets forwarded from eth0 to eth0 ?? Why would you bother writing this rule?
20:18<ml|>LinuxOwnsMe: works fine, seems like you have some network issue in that vm
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20:19<LinuxOwnsMe>iam so damn tired but i cant just sleep now
20:19<LinuxOwnsMe>got to solve this!
20:20<fanuc98>Can you re-define your problem LinuxOwnsMe?
20:20<hxB5>i think it means, nothing from outside is allowed to pass to the LAN
20:20<edbian>hxB5: Are you talking to me?
20:20<LinuxOwnsMe>network is just workin fine
20:20<hxB5>(that was to edian)
20:20<LinuxOwnsMe>ahh okay my bad
20:21<fanuc98>For my limited brain to hopefully wrap itself around and attempt to help you figure out... :)
20:21<LinuxOwnsMe>yeah i agree with hxb5:P
20:21<edbian>hxB5: Thank you!
20:21<ml|>fanuc98: read the scrollback?
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20:23<LinuxOwnsMe>ml| check this out. every thing just looks fine, doesnt it?
20:24<fanuc98>I use linux for everything....I gave windows up.....(yes, it hurt, to a point, since I was an evercrack addict.....) but question is this....Do you have a legitimate users code for (windows, etc....)....if so, why not duel boot?
20:24<fanuc98>Have two primary drives.
20:24<fanuc98>and the rest logical.
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20:25<LinuxOwnsMe>damn it
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20:27<fanuc98>One, I am reading...two, I believe that you are is going to hinder me, but not impossible for me....three.....give me time.... =D
20:28<ml|>LinuxOwnsMe: looks fine, what happens when you do ... dig @
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20:28<ml|>fanuc98: yes he is
20:28<fanuc98>I found that out by his imgbin....LOL
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20:29<ml|>if you read the scrollback he mentions that
20:29<fanuc98>What does lo Mean? Input output?
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20:30<fanuc98>Sorry, working and thinking....and I'm so happy do do thus... =D I love making my tiny "squishy" brain work... =D
20:31<LinuxOwnsMe>you mean ping with dig @
20:31<ml|>no just 'dig @'
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20:33<LinuxOwnsMe>uknoen cmd dig
20:33<LinuxOwnsMe>but when i ping the ip
20:33<arw>some one knows how to activate usb in kvm?
20:33<arw>y read this..
20:33<fanuc98>I do have a question, LinuxOwnsMe. Why is your Virtual Box Look like you system? Is VM that way now?
20:33<arw>but no luck
20:33<LinuxOwnsMe>he starts with succcess
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20:34<LinuxOwnsMe>the little windows in the middle
20:34<LinuxOwnsMe>is my vm
20:34<fanuc98>Virtual Box for me....Or VMware was a different part of my system when I ran it. It ran totally solo.
20:34<LinuxOwnsMe>the system is my server#
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20:35<LinuxOwnsMe>i run my vm over my system not solo
20:35<LinuxOwnsMe>i need solutions damn it^^#
20:35<fanuc98>Ah, I ran my vm, for a short time Solo and not over my system... =D....I think I see, but have had no experiance with.
20:36<LinuxOwnsMe>vm is the shit
20:36<LinuxOwnsMe>for administration
20:36<LinuxOwnsMe>iam trying to install a virtual server just for teamspeak purpose
20:37<fanuc98>Nod.... =D Vm Is the shit for running other "OS" via Linux so I can run windows proggies native....dos, windows 3.1
20:37<LinuxOwnsMe>but my process keeps hanging on triying
20:37<fanuc98>Can you define what teamspeak is? Or maybe I should scroll back?
20:39<ml|>LinuxOwnsMe: install dnsutils
20:39<LinuxOwnsMe>how? :s
20:39<LinuxOwnsMe>you think its the dns?
20:39<LinuxOwnsMe>cant i just edit the dns?
20:39<ml|>LinuxOwnsMe: are you using debian and it might be
20:40<LinuxOwnsMe>just debian
20:40<ml|> cat /etc/debian_version
20:41<LinuxOwnsMe>there is no such directory
20:41<LinuxOwnsMe>debian lenny i think
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20:42<LinuxOwnsMe>cant i just edit my dns?
20:42<LinuxOwnsMe>with network *ip*?
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20:43<fanuc98>Ah, nod, So teamspeak is kind of like .... ugh... like skype?
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20:44<fanuc98>ml| can you define cat and how it can be used in "Higer" applications?
20:44<LinuxOwnsMe> /etc/resolv.conf for dns
20:44<fanuc98>I know a little of cat.
20:44<ml|>man cat
20:44<ml|> ;)
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20:44<fanuc98>Actually, I know exactly how it works....just not sure how to use it for higher things.
20:45<fanuc98>Make sense?
20:46<fanuc98>Nod, I will. Again...but, ugh, the man pages are so cryptic....I wish they would make Man pages for dummies! LMAO
20:46<fanuc98>Because some dummies have half a brain....but half is all that some dummies run on! LMAO
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20:47<ml|>fanuc98: sorry don't understand
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20:48<rudepeople>Is the "support" chanel?
20:48<LinuxOwnsMe>i corrected my dns
20:48<LinuxOwnsMe>do i have to restart smt before retry?
20:49<rudepeople>Forgive my HORRIBLE typing skills... is this the support channel? or is that somewhere else?
20:49<Pryon>rudepeople: It's not official support, but you may get the help you need here.
20:49<ml|>might best to restart the vm or try /etc/init.d/networking restart
20:49<fanuc98>In other words. I am saying that the man pages confound me with their "cryptic/technical" language....and I do not understand them...I can read them, but understanding is beyond I was wishing for a "DUMMIES" page of man pages so that people who are not as technical can comprehend..... :/ Understand?
20:49<rudepeople>thank you...
20:50<rudepeople>ok, here goes... I JUST installed squeeze, annnd now I have no network support.
20:50<fanuc98>But I do understand the "basic" structure of a linux filesystem.
20:50<rudepeople>I tried reinstalling twice, once from DVD, once from netinst
20:50<ml|>Pryon: iirc this the official irc support channel
20:50<rudepeople>DVD: I have net untill I update, then I lose connectivity.
20:50<ml|>for debian
20:50<fanuc98>apt-get install dvdcss?
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20:50<Pryon>ml|: Yikes! I thought I was in a different channel
20:51<Pryon>rudepeople: Yes, this is where you want to be :-)
20:51<fanuc98>crap, having a sneezing fit... :/
20:51<rudepeople>Pryon: sweet... so... what do you think?
20:51<LinuxOwnsMe>god dman it
20:51<LinuxOwnsMe>still wont work
20:51<Pryon>rudepeople: you get no network with the netinst CD?
20:52<rudepeople>after first boot.
20:52<LinuxOwnsMe>unknown host
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20:52<rudepeople>durring install--of course--it works fine
20:52<fanuc98>You have to have some kind of network, or you would not be able to talk to us, rudepeople.
20:52<rudepeople>yes, I have multiple systems at my disposal
20:53<rudepeople>the system in question is my lappy (Dell XPS m1210)
20:53<Pryon>any messages about eth0 in dmesg?
20:53<Pryon>also, what kind of NIC is it?
20:53<rudepeople>one moment...
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20:54<fanuc98>Oh, people....I do have potential...I can read, and I am willing to learn....teach me... =D
20:55<twb>I want to have rc.local start X if and only if an external monitor is attached. How can I detect if something is connected to the DSUB/VGA port *before* X is started? (This means I cannot use xrandr.)
20:55<fanuc98>Please... :/
20:55<rudepeople>lspci shows I have a broadcom... bcm4401-b0
20:55<fanuc98>So, what kind of device is broadcom?
20:56<rudepeople>um... broadcom nic? eth0?
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20:56<fanuc98>Ah, a eth port.....gygapyte?
20:56<Pryon>rudepeople: does 'modprobe b44' do anything interesting?
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20:57<fanuc98>or just the basic type?
20:57<rudepeople>Pryon: nothing... no msgs
20:57<rudepeople>fanuc98: its a Gigabit controller... I THINK
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20:58<Pryon>rudepeople: nothing in /var/log/kern.log ?
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20:58<rudepeople>lspci shows a bunch of microcode errors... it recognizes my wireless controller... I have ucode, where do I put it?
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21:00<rudepeople>nice, no hotplug agent...
21:01<fanuc98>I honestly wish I could help rudepeople....but one, "I'm drunk"....two....I do not understand the complexities of what you speak of..... I "Want" to help, but I cannot.... :/
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21:03<quinque_>@rudepeople: what is the result from "lsmod | grep e100"?
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21:04<ml|>fanuc98: that depends on the manpage in question
21:04<rudepeople>one moment... rebooting after an attempt to place the ucode...
21:04<rudepeople>fanuc98: not a problem man! thanks for the attempt!
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21:04<quinque_>@rudepeople: broadcom is most likely the wlan
21:05<Pryon>I was hoping firmware-linux was the answer, but your card's not affected by that package
21:05<rudepeople>oh billy! my wifi is working again... but now to figure out the wired connection...
21:05<Pryon>what kind of laptop is it?
21:05<gsimmons>quinque_: No, the BCM4401-B0 is an Ethernet controllor.
21:05<Pryon>oh, never mind.
21:05<fanuc98>HUGS...... =D
21:05<quinque_>my fault :)
21:06<fanuc98>I hope "billy" had a hand in it, but I figure he did not... =D Billy is a simple and slow kind of person... =D
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21:06<rudepeople>quinque_: I get nothing...
21:06<rudepeople>just drops a line... did I miss a switch?
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21:07<quinque_>@rudepeople: "ifconfig -a"?
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21:08<quinque_>@rudepeople: it was my fault ... empty line is ok :)
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21:08<rudepeople>ok, what information do you need for this, I am TOTALLY clueless
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21:09<rudepeople>like I said, lspci lists the card correctly (as far as I can tell)
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21:09<igsen>How to put trash in lxde?
21:10<TSL>igsen you can use thunar, a file manager from xfce to have the trash
21:10<TSL>lxde doesnt have a trashcan yet
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21:10<ml|>who needs a trash can ;)
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21:12<igsen>TSL, Ye, I have thunar w/ trashcan installed.
21:12<TSL>ok thats the way to do it for now
21:12<TSL>until pcmanfm gets a trash can :)
21:12<Pryon>from what I can see, b44 is the correct module for that NIC. I don't know what to make of the fact that you see no messages when inserting that module.
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21:14<quinque_>@rudepeople: if the iface is listed by ifconfig, than is just not confgured, could be the network-manager ... the version in squeeze caused me some troubles, and netbase works fine
21:15<cahalan>I have a chicken-and-egg problem here: the new libc has a Breaks item in the *.deb, but the new dpkg requires the new glibc. So far I've installed dpkg from source, possibly making the situation worse. (Help!)
21:15<rudepeople>ok, I may not be looking in the right place with my nic... dmesg shows the nic is being brought up "]b44: eth0: Link is upat 100Mbps, full duplex." but network manager reports "device not managed"
21:15<rudepeople>annnnnd ifconfig shows eth0 as configured and up.
21:16<rudepeople>ok, so my problem is with network manager, anyone familliar with network manager? or maybe a replacement tool (never been a fan... flaky and slow)
21:16<quinque_>what is the content of /etc/network/interfaces?
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21:18<ml|>most just configure /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/init.d/networking for starting and stopping, if you do want to edit interfaces best to stop netwoking first
21:19<rudepeople>I have a section for "The Primary network interface" under it I have: "allow-hotplug eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
21:19<ml|>rudepeople: paste the whole output to a pastebin
21:20<ml|>dpkg: pastebin
21:20<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
21:20<rudepeople>where is pastebin... you mean the channel #pastebin?
21:20<ml|>and pastebinit package is useful
21:20<ml|>dpkg: pastebinit
21:20<dpkg>from memory, pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; specially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit"
21:21<quinque_>never mind ... is "managed=false" in /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf
21:23<cahalan>I can't install pastebinit of course. dpkg and apt are the problem. :-(
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21:24<ml|>cahalan: that was meant for rudepeople, btw on sid?
21:25<ml|>you know the sid rule here?
21:26<cahalan>probably something like "you broke it, you get the pieces"
21:26<ml|>heh, similar
21:26<rudepeople>NICE!!! quinque_: you are my hero!!! it was set to "managed=false" changed to true, good to go!
21:26<cahalan>still, I'd like a hint for unwedging the situation
21:26<quinque_>congrats :)
21:26<ml|>cahalan: /msg dpkg sid ;)
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21:27<rudepeople>thanks all, I will most likely be back...
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21:28<MjoLLnER>script load hide
21:29<ml|>!beer quinque_
21:29*dpkg pours a quart of Bornem Tripple for quinque_
21:30<igsen>I can't make "locate" work in CLI. Using squeeze, any ideas?
21:31<ml|>what do you mean?
21:31<cahalan>ml|: I pretty much got stuck with sid. I'm a developer (procps and tuxpaint), so I need modern tools. At times, stable has been **way** out of date. (think "half a decade") I went with testing for a while, but that is actually worse than unstable because debian developers all run unstable.
21:32<Nemoder>igsen: perhaps you need to run updatedb
21:33<igsen>Nemoder, I'll try that.
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21:34<ml|>cahalan: ok, good luck
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21:35<ml|>locate should still work, without doing updatedb, unless he means does find what he/she wants
21:35<ml|>s/does/does not/
21:36<ml|>cahalan: btw, my nephew likes tuxpaint :)
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21:49<fanuc98>Hello, Mtnman
21:50<mtnman>awful quiet on this channel...
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21:50<fanuc98>Usually is... but I'm your better graces, or unfortunate ones! LOL
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21:51<mtnman>fanuc98 well it has been a while for me, but this chan used to be pretty busy
21:51<fanuc98>My mud is dying :/
21:51<fanuc98>Freenode is still popular.
21:52<fanuc98>but If it makes you feel better, I am "new" blood to this channel. =D
21:53<mtnman>ok well i'm off maybe be back later
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21:54<fanuc98>I guess, that is the conundrum, people do not want "new" blood, just what they know....and when it comes, it ends....
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21:57<ml|>fanuc98: keep in mind this is a support channel
21:58<cahalan>Now I've built dpkg from source, ripped open a *.deb with "ar" and manually installed the content, and hand-edited /var/lib/dpkg/status :-/
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22:03<fanuc98>I will, I apologize.
22:03<fanuc98>Honestly, I do.
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22:13<TSL>can anyone point me where to find information on how to improve debian performances? and what daemons/services can be removed?
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22:15<ml|>you can look in /etc/rc2.d/ those will start a boot
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22:17<TSL>ok thanks
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22:18<TSL>this is an old pc and i dont want to run stuff i wont use
22:18<TSL>i dont have resources to waste :)
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22:20<ml|>right even if not old i do the same, btw man update-rc.d and ask dpkg /msg dpkg update-rc.d
22:21<TSL>this is a PIII
22:21<TSL>if i dont do that its slooow. :)
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22:21<ml|>heh, my old laptop uses a PIII :)
22:22<TSL>what i found is that kde works faster than gnome
22:22<TSL>right now im using KDE/Openbox
22:22<TSL>works great
22:23<TSL>i really like gnome but its very slow here :)
22:23<ml|>i used gnome with openbox was ok, then openbox alone better and xmond better yet :)
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22:23<TSL>i dont know that
22:23<ml|>ask dpkg ;0
22:23<TSL>here kde its useable
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22:24<TSL>i dont really have much problems
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22:24<TSL>but i think that i might have a lot of stuff that debian installed at boot that can be removed
22:24<TSL>thats why im learning what to remove
22:24<TSL>to have even more resources free...
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22:25<TSL>i have to go for a while brb
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22:25<ml|>i started with a minimal install so not much here was running
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22:43<cahalan>TSL: gnome can be plenty fast, but the default config is stupid. I'm running it on a 450 MHz PowerPC (slower than a 450 MHz x86) and it's perfectly OK.
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22:45<TSL>cahalan well here its slow
22:45<TSL>how do you make it goe faster?
22:47<ml|>aptitude purge gnome? ;)
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22:50<cahalan>TSL: start by turning off the nautilus desktop nonsense, etc.
22:51<TSL>yeah ill try it later
22:51<cahalan>TSL: but of course, what exactly is slow? GNOME is not one thing that can be slow or not; GNOME is many things working together
22:51<TSL>well apps load slow
22:51<TSL>im now testing kde and apps run much faster...
22:51<TSL>in fact the same apps work faster under kde
22:51<TSL>no idea why
22:52<cahalan>GNOME-specific apps only, or all apps? You can run KDE apps with GNOME. The old-style ones (not GNOME or KDE) tend to be fastest.
22:53<cahalan>TSL: OK, you're running out of memory. Run "top" and hit "M" to sort by memory usage.
22:53<TSL>i know i dont have much memory
22:53<TSL>one of the things i have planned is a memory upgrade
22:53<ml|>how much?
22:53<TSL>now i have 256mb
22:54<TSL>my idea is to upgrade to 1gig
22:54<ml|>ah, yeah that would make alot of things run slow
22:54<ml|>my PIII has 756mb runs great with my setup :)
22:55<TSL>well thats at least what i want
22:55<TSL>i have two sockets and only one used with a 256mb ram
22:55<TSL>so my idea is to buy a 512 or 1024mb memory
22:55<TSL>i dont know what i can find here :)
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22:56<TSL>and then try again :)
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22:56<twb>TSL: probably cheaper to get a refurbished core 2 duo...
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22:56<TSL>but im not sure here
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22:56<ml|>old memory is expensive, it shouldn;t be
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22:57<TSL>yeah someone told me that
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23:08<TSL>also what i dont know if kde4 is slower than kde3.5 in old pcs
23:08<TSL>someone told me it was faster... but i think that new software is slow on old pcs?
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23:11<twb>TSL: TIAS
23:12<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See"... or what you could have done first.
23:12<TSL>can i have both kde 3.5 and 4 running together?
23:13<TSL>i had no idea
23:13<ml|>try asking in #debian-kde
23:14<twb>Just dual boot between lenny and squeeze
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23:36<ioky> Hi Everyone, I am wondering is there a way to setup a 2button trackball mouse with a scroll function
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23:56<rudepeople>hi ll.
23:57<rudepeople>so... is there any reason I should install my nvidia driver "the debian way"?
23:57<twb>rudepeople: because otherwise when it breaks, more people will laugh at you?
23:57<rudepeople>please explain.
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23:57<Hideo>!why nvidia-installer sucks
23:57<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia> <nvidia compiler fix>.
23:58<twb>(I mean, I'll laugh at you regardless, for choosing to support a company that is actively hostile to your distro's efforts to support it.)
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23:58<chealer>rudepeople: did you read ?
23:59<rudepeople>yes, I read it, and I also note there is NO WORDING that indicates ANY of twb or dpkg is correct.
23:59*twb hugs his matrox and (pre-PowerVR) Intel GPUs
23:59<rudepeople>I also note that the "debian way" as of 2 months ago was impossible to complete.
23:59<twb>rudepeople: did you file a bug report?
23:59<chealer>twb: you may want to see ADDITIONAL INFORMATION in
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