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---Logopened Tue Sep 08 00:00:36 2009
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00:04<phil>How can I forwarded all the outgoing packets to port 8080?
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00:04<poonj>hey guys...I am trying to run a program and I get an error that says: ./preprocess: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. The library exists in /usr/lib and I added an entry in to read /usr/lib, which is where the library is located. At the same time, I see ldconfig -v shows that was included
00:04<poonj>any ideas as to why I'm getting that error still
00:04<Guest1741>I am using debian.
00:05<qlurker>run 'ls -l /usr/lib/' and make sure it's not a dangling link
00:06<poonj>qlurker: I get -> /usr/lib/ ->
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00:07<Guest1741>Is there any way to dit please?
00:07<Guest1741>Is there any way to do please?
00:08<qlurker>try ls -l /usr/lib/, does it exist?
00:08<sney>Guest1741: I guess nobody here knows. try again later or find an iptables-specific channel
00:08<poonj>yeah, it exists
00:10<qlurker>try 'strace -t open YOURPROG' and look for a failed open
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00:10<qlurker>poonj: try 'strace -t open YOURPROG' and look for a failed open
00:11<qlurker>poonj: might need to add redirect to a file or less: 'strace -t open YOURPROG 2>&1 | less'
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00:13<Hideo>add -o logfile in there
00:17<poonj>qlurker: I don't see where was specifically called for
00:17<qlurker>poonj: is it forking?
00:19<poonj>let me send you the output..
00:20<qlurker>poonj: use 'strace -t open -ff -o outfile YOURP' to follow forks and (per Hideo) capture output
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00:23<poonj>thats my output qlurker
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00:29<poonj>for some reason, it can't find the
00:29<poonj>I don't have it installed..where could I find that!?
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00:29<greick> hola
00:30<greick> tengo dudas con mi debian lenny
00:30<greick> alguien me puede ayudar
00:31<qlurker>poonj: what version of debian? what version of strace? Looks to me like strace/open are confused - your not even making it to the ./preprocess command
00:31<greick> hi
00:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:31<greick> I have problems with myy debian lenny
00:32<greick> problems with wifi card
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00:33<greick> it dont conect with WPA key
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00:34<qlurker>poonj: sorry, try this instead 'strace -e open -ff -o outfile prepocess' - (not -t, but -e)
00:35<gsimmons>greick: What wireless LAN device do you have? How are you attempting to connect to the WPA network? (NetworkManager, wicd, ifupdown, etc).
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00:36<qlurker>poonj: -t is for truss, -e is for strace (flash back to SVR4 using truss in 1989)
00:37<greick> I have wicd
00:37<greick> my wifi card is atheros
00:38<greick> i install a madwifi
00:39<greick> to use wireless, but only conect with lan without key
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00:41<poonj>qlurker: I found the problem
00:42<poonj>so its looking for the library in /usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu/
00:42<qlurker>poonj: cool. sorry for the little goose chase.
00:42<poonj>I am currently running a x86_64 kernel...
00:42<poonj>would that be an issue>
00:43<poonj>if I were to copy the library file into the searched directory>
00:44<qlurker>poonj: ... you will get a core dump most likely...
00:44<poonj>dang it
00:44<poonj>should I downgrade my kernel?
00:44<poonj>let me see if I can recompile the code...
00:44<qlurker>poonj: but can't hurt to try (unless ./preprocdess is handling something important like bank recs)
00:45<poonj>not sure ..lets see
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00:46<poonj>yeah wrong class
00:46<poonj>okay let me see if I can recompile
00:47<qlurker>poonj: no need to dngrd the kernel, u can run 32bit progs, just can't mix 32bit w 64bit code in the same proc
00:48<greick> ,,,,
00:48<greick> mmm
00:48<greick> oks
00:48<greick> bye
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00:51<poonj>how can I run 32-bit code?
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00:53<poonj>or I just needt o download the 32-bit library?
00:54<sney>there's a set of ia32 compat libs in apt
00:54<poonj>let me see...
00:55<poonj>I am installing..
00:55<qlurker>poonj: what sney said - u may need devel libs as well if compiling
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00:55<marcOS>im having problems with exim, it cant be configured... how can i check where is the problem ¿?
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00:57<poonj>I think it worked
00:58<qlurker>poonj: why not compile 64bit? (gcc -m64) ... whatever is easier (dloadng pkgs vs recompiling)
00:59<poonj>this isn't my code :)
00:59<poonj>its a long story, but the guys wrote a ton of code with libraries that required gmake
01:00<poonj>and other custom libraries that were compiled in 32-bit
01:02<qlurker>poonj: sounds familiar - barnacles growing below the waterline. Worked?
01:05<poonj>it works fine...thansk a lot qlurker!
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01:07<qlurker>poonj: NP, no applause, send money :)
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01:22<poonj>thanks again!
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01:55<sdhoeppner>installed postgrey, get this: postgrey[20624]: 2009/09/08-00:53:24 Can't connect to TCP port 60000 on [Cannot assign requested address] at line 88 in file /usr/share/perl5/Net/Server/Proto/
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01:56<sdhoeppner>I google'd my but off and can't find a resolution for this.
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01:56<Made_Of_Awesome>resolution for what?
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01:56<nextime>hello all. Not debian specific, but anyway i ask: splashy and usplash, they can't set a background image in the console ( i mean after the boot, as a frame buffer console background ), right?
01:56<sdhoeppner>the line above
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02:04<pythagoras>hey all
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02:14<sdhoeppner>I figured out the problem
02:14<pythagoras>u did ..wtg
02:15<pythagoras>got a nvidia card..need rivertune for linux..
02:15<sdhoeppner>for some reason (and i'm not a TCP/networking expert), network does not exist on my Etch system
02:15<pythagoras>to regulate speed
02:15<sdhoeppner>I have no loopback TCP address, apparently
02:15<jm_>sdhoeppner: check your interfaces file
02:16<jm_>pythagoras: what for?
02:16<sdhoeppner>jm_: is that something I would have changed manually eons ago, and f'd up myself, or did woody or sarge upgrades do that?
02:16<pythagoras>cause it runs hot the moment..ive installed ubantu
02:16*sdhoeppner prolly mucked it up
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02:17<pythagoras>through on startup..
02:17<jm_>sdhoeppner: well I would certainly expect that none of the upgrades touch that
02:17<jm_>ubuntu? then try /msg dpkg ubuntu
02:17<pythagoras>ahh ok
02:17<sdhoeppner>jm_: what's my path on that? /etc/network/interfaces? or something similar?
02:18<jm_>sdhoeppner: indeed - man interfaces also mentions it
02:19<sdhoeppner>jm_: i'm shocked I've run this long without a loopback network space on this box. Postgrey is the first app I've installed that needed
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02:21<jm_>sdhoeppner: well not many tools really bind to/use localhost
02:22<sdhoeppner>jm_: I identified the problem by telling postgrey to bind to which worked.
02:23<sdhoeppner>jm_: i figured i'd try that since netstat showed a bunch of listeners on
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02:23<sdhoeppner>jm_: thanks for the pointers and guidance
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02:27<jm_>sdhoeppner: did you configure localhost address in the interfaces file too? it will save you some headaches in the future
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02:28<jm_>sdhoeppner: yes, means all IP-s, and is typically used, but some tools want to bind to, for example RPC servers are known for that (say rtorrent, hellanzb)
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02:32<sdhoeppner>jm_: I didn't add it yet. This box is strictly a postfix/antispam gateway, and vanity domain web server. Not much ever changes on it unless it's anti spam related, and that's usually just more entries in the ban files, not adding more software. I added postgrey on a whim to try it out. If you think I should go ahead and add a loopback I'll do so.
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02:34<jm_>sdhoeppner: yes I think it's a good idea - but it's your box and you know best what you want/need
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02:44<sdhoeppner>jm_: I'm beginning to think the Debian Etch postgrey package is .... half baked. I'm on the Etch version of Postfix and the Etch version of Postgrey and they aren't playing together. Postgrey is telling Postfix warning: connect to Invalid argument
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02:45<sdhoeppner>jm_: how the heck is one supposed to troubleshoot "invalid argument" when these two pieces of software are designed for one another?....
02:45<crohmann>any1 here know how to use debug packages with gdb? I'm trying to debug apache2 and installed apache-dbg
02:45<sdhoeppner>jm_: maybe I just need more docs...
02:46<jm_>sdhoeppner: that would depend on which system call failed, it's EINVAL, but we don't know what failed
02:47<sdhoeppner>jm_: yes, better, more descriptive error messages would be nice
02:48<sdhoeppner>jm_: it just kills me that I'm having so much trouble with this. All the online guides everywhere just say "install and go, it works, it's easy...." sounds like M$ shite
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02:50<jm_>sdhoeppner: did you check BTS?
02:50<sdhoeppner>jm_: do I have a version mismatch between Post and Postgrey? What else would cause that "invalid argument" error? That sound like a syntax change or something.
02:50<sdhoeppner>jm_: BTS?
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02:51<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
02:51<jm_>sdhoeppner: it's hard to say without knowning exactly what failed
02:52<sdhoeppner>jm_: you think I should try #postfix at this point since it appears I've at minimum got Postfix and Postgrey tallking to each other?
02:52<jm_>sdhoeppner: that's also worth doing yes
02:54<mjt>there's no need for postfix and postgrey to "match" each other, since the protocol is well-defined for several years.
02:54<sdhoeppner>jm_: I can't recall what IRC net postfix is on...
02:54<jm_>sdhoeppner: /msg dpkg postfix
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03:24<Hitman32>I install debian in my PC,, and when I boot it's start normally , but when the kernal fished boot and it's going to start ,,it's display "Input not supported "
03:24<Hitman32>I install debian in my PC,, and when I boot it's start normally , but when the kernal fished boot and it's going to start ,,it's display "Input not supported "
03:24<Hitman32>I install debian in my PC,, and when I boot it's start normally , but when the kernal fished boot and it's going to start ,,it's display "Input not supported "
03:24<Hitman32>I install debian in my PC,, and when I boot it's start normally , but when the kernal fished boot and it's going to start ,,it's display "Input not supported "
03:27<cahoot>output seems well supported anyway
03:27<Hitman32>it's say that when the mode change to 32bit
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03:32<fanuc98>That fucking "HURT"...fume.
03:33<fanuc98>I hate people.
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03:35<amol>hi to all,from where to download bootsplash patch for 2.6.26?
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03:41<gsimmons>dpkg: tell amol -about bootsplash
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03:49<bcochofel>bom dia
03:49<bcochofel>sorry, wrong window
03:49<bcochofel>here is good morning
03:51<bcochofel>I'm trying to use find to search for files of one type in a list of dirs, but don't know how to feed the find command with the dirs list
03:52<bcochofel>I don't want to search all sub-dirs, just need a few
03:52<jm_>find dir1 dir2 ...
03:52<bcochofel>how can I do this? can I give a file with the dirs to search?
03:52<bcochofel>jm_, well, there are more then 10 dirs
03:53<jm_>bcochofel: so ask the real question next time please
03:54<bcochofel>can I give a file with the dirs to search?
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03:54<bcochofel>sorry, but you've answered before I put the question
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03:55<jm_>you can use your shell's expansion features to achieve it : find $(cat foo) ...
03:56<bcochofel>ok, thx
03:56<jm_>I don't think find has an option for this
03:59<bcochofel>jm_, the file must have the dirs separated by a space or can be in a new line?
04:00<jm_>bcochofel: it should work with both, but your shell settings might affect the variant with spaces
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04:01<jm_>well it can affect the other one too (IFS etc)
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04:04<bcochofel>jm_, sorry, IFS?
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04:05<jm_>bcochofel: Internal Field Separator (read man page for your shell)
04:06<jm_>used for word splitting
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04:06<bcochofel>ok, thx
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04:10<tuxlord>anyone on????
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04:14<stevem_>Hey I do a netinst of lenny then install freenx which in turn gets X which in turn gets GNOME
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04:14<stevem_>is there some setting I can do before I apt-get install freenx that'll prefer to get lxde instead of GNOME?
04:15<jm_>where did you install freenx from?
04:15<sci3ntist>I have a question about DNS records
04:15<stevem_>The freenx guys say to use the ubuntu ppa on 'intrepid' mode for etch/lenny compatibility
04:15<sci3ntist>is this the suitable place to ask
04:15<stevem_>sci3ntist, you could try #bind on freenode
04:16<jm_>from ubuntu? then look at what freenx depends on
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04:16<stevem_>no not from ubuntu, from a ubuntu ppa
04:16<jm_>and disabling recommends might also help
04:16<jm_>how does that differ then?
04:16<stevem_>because thats not ubuntu, it's just someones apt repository hosted on a ubuntu domain
04:16<sci3ntist>ok thank you so much
04:16<jm_>it is ubuntu
04:17<stevem_>no it's not, it's not managed by ubuntu - it's managed by the freenx-team
04:17<stevem_>thats like saying medibuntu is ubuntu when it's just plainly not
04:18<jm_>ok i'll rather stop at this point
04:19<bcochofel>jm_, maybe you can also help me with this
04:20<bcochofel>I'm trying to create a custom initrd with some changes, I have kind a two stage boot process
04:21<bcochofel>I have initrd img and root img and I need to mount roofs from linuxrc script
04:21<bcochofel>can I use tmpfs because of the space?
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04:21<bcochofel>sorry if this is a silly question
04:22<bcochofel>to sum it up, I have inirtd that loads modules so I can mount cd-rom and then mount rootfs (that lives in cd-rom)
04:23<jm_>bcochofel: instead of? real rootfs is typically mounted from linuxrc script in case of initrd
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04:24<jm_>(i.e. pivot_root)
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04:25<bcochofel>jm_, ok, I mount the rootfs in some dir and them I can pivot_root there, is that it?
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04:29<jm_>bcochofel: yes
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04:37<tuxcrafter>hi all i am looking for a sata hardware raid 5 controller that works out of the box with the debian kernel
04:37<tuxcrafter>does somebody knows a list of them?
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04:38<Gold24>tuxcrafter: any particular reason you need it to be hardware?
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04:41<tuxcrafter>Gold24: i need the speed
04:43<jm_>tuxcrafter: areca and 3ware work AFAIK
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04:44<bcochofel>jm_, ok, one more question, do I need udev in initrd so I can mount cd-rom or can I safely modprobe all the cdrom modules and then mount it?
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04:45<tuxcrafter>jm_: so they don't need any custom binary blobs?
04:45<jm_>bcochofel: hmm in general you don't need it
04:46<tuxcrafter>i can also just retry raid6 with software raid mdadm
04:46<jm_>tuxcrafter: apparently one needs firmware image too, at least for 3ware
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04:46<bcochofel>jm_, but I need to have sd*|hd* devices in initrd?
04:47<jm_>bcochofel: well yes, you need those to mount stuff
04:47<bcochofel>ok, so if I have udev started in initrd do I need to start it again when I pivot_root?
04:48<bcochofel>can I cp all /dev to the newroot?»
04:48<jm_>bcochofel: i think not, you should look at how Debianhandles this in initrd for example - my work didn't need it so I am not familiar with it
04:48<jm_>you don't need to cp /dev, you can simply move it over or somesuch, I'm sure debian does something similar in its scripts
04:49<jm_>just like you do it with /proc and /sys
04:49<jm_>ahh mount -move exists, so it probably uses that
04:49<jm_>one doesn't even need bind mount then
04:49<bcochofel>well, this is a bit tricky
04:50<bcochofel>all these things
04:50<jm_>yes, probably best to take an example and do it in a similar way
04:50<bcochofel>jm_, well problem is I'm trying to do a distro free initrd
04:51<jm_>bcochofel: kernel folks are working on a common initrd stuff
04:51<bcochofel>and only the rootfs changes
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04:51<bcochofel>jm_, where can I find info about that?
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04:53<jm_>bcochofel: let me see if I can find it
04:54<bcochofel>jm_, I'm reading initrd.txt and trying to keep it like that, but the info is not that great concerning all those idev points and stuff
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04:58<jm_>bcochofel: heh indeed
04:58<crohmann>any1 here know how to use debug packages with gdb? I'm trying to debug apache2 and installed apache-dbg. But now do I use the debug symbols?
04:59<crohmann>tuxcrafter: I use areca/tekram ARC-1210 and am more than happy with it
04:59<handjob>Good morning gentleman. I was wandering why i can fire up "xchat" like that "LANG=en:de:nl:fr xchat" from the terminal but when i add this line to a panel shortcut in "X" it won't go.
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05:00<jm_>bcochofel: wow this was a bitch to find, it's called dracut --
05:00<heyhe18>how could I install debian from windows xp?i have downloaded the first cd image in a seperate NTFS partation...
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05:00<jm_>handjob: write a shell script that does this and add that as a shortcut
05:01<handjob>jm_, I will try that thank you however can you tell me why does ir refuse to go. I would like to understand it.
05:02<bcochofel>jm_, have to read that
05:02<bcochofel>thx so much
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05:03<bcochofel>one more thing, after mounting proc amd load the scsi modules how can I search if my hdd/cdrom are available?
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05:04<jm_>bcochofel: what do you mean with "ir refuse to go"?
05:05<jm_>bcochofel: grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable - also look in /dev/disk
05:05<handjob>jm_, Using script worked as a charm. Thank you again.
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05:06<bcochofel>jm_, "i refuse to go"???!!! sorry, you lost me
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05:07<jm_>bcochofel: ahh sorry I confused you with someone else
05:07<jm_>handjob: I think it's because it doesn't start it as sh -c ..., but uses exec directly
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05:08<handjob>jm_, Thank you for explanation.
05:09<bcochofel>jm_, ok, loading the module doesn't give me the device, and my initial initrd only has console, null, loop and e few more
05:09<bcochofel>guess I need to populate more /dev
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05:15<jm_>handjob: no worries
05:16<jm_>bcochofel: is this static /dev?
05:16<bcochofel>jm_, yep, if not I must use udev
05:17<bcochofel>I'll try to start udev and them load modules to see what I can do
05:19<jm_>bcochofel: right then you need to populate it yourself
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05:33<tuxcrafter>crohmann: thanks for the info
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05:49<CloseCall>hi, small question: i have a debian lenny server and i want to install the open-vm-tools but it try's to install a whole lot of x11 dependencies i don't want on my server.. should i use a different package ?
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05:50<cahoot>CloseCall: possibly tell aptitude not to include autodeps
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05:59<jm_>CloseCall: install it without installing recommends
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06:58<JustSoul>Hello, Why that access error occured?
07:00<rarnz>haha, this looks like breakage in the cifs code. you get to debug it :p
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07:04<JustSoul>rarnz, :(
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07:38<icebrain>hi, isn't "shutdown" a clean way to, well, shutdown? In my laptop it seems it just kills the power without stopping daemons before, and if I don't sync first I usually get FS errors when I power on again.
07:38<jm_>icebrain: it is yes, but which shutdown does it execute for you?
07:39<icebrain>jm_: sorry, what do you mean?
07:39<jm_>icebrain: type 'which shutdown' in your shell (without ')
07:40<icebrain>oh! it's /sbin/shutdown
07:41<dpkg>from memory, dracut is a "cross-distribution" initramfs (a cpio archive of the initial filesystem that gets loaded into memory at boot time) which looks to replace the initramfs patchwork
07:41<xeon-enouf>jm_: decent?
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07:42<xeon-enouf>icebrain: you can add your username to the 'powerdev' group to allow said username to be able to shutdown
07:42<jm_>xeon-enouf: no idea, I just remember reading about it on lkml
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07:42<jm_>xeon-enouf: I am not sure if it has all the features currently used variants do
07:42<icebrain>xeon-enouf: yeah, but I usually use the ctrl+alt+delete, so it's not really useful
07:43<jm_>icebrain: which package is that from? how do you call it?
07:44<icebrain>normally, shutdown -h now
07:45<jm_>that's all normal, it should initiate a normal shutdown - maybe check which init you are running and /etc/inittab
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08:28<xeon-enouf>jm_: ok - gotcha, just wanted to create some start of a factoid for it - i just saw someone over on freenode #debian try '!efi' which yielded nothing :-P
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08:29<xeon-enouf>icebrain: jm_ is indeed correct about inittab (which i knew about, but don't use c-a-d)
08:29<xeon-enouf># What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed.
08:29<xeon-enouf>ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now
08:29<jm_>heh in the past, when I was even lazier, I added an entry for ctrl-alt-ins which called shutdown -h now
08:30<locsmif>I have this: ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r no
08:30<xeon-enouf>jm_: i _think_ yaird is being left to .. er dry out? fall by-the-wayside? anyways, i have to run now- see yas
08:30<icebrain>oh, right, I have "ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -h now", but running manually gives problems too
08:30<jm_>xeon-enouf: yup, and not the only one - I think it will be good if we get distro agnostic tool, which dracut promises to be
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08:31<jm_>icebrain: what does dpkg -S /sbin/init say?
08:31<icebrain>sysvinit: /sbin/init
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08:34<jm_>all looks normal to me, I can't conclude from this why it would behave that way
08:34<locsmif>Unless there is a kernel problem
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08:35<jm_>yeah that or hw issues, or rootkit or somesuch
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08:35<locsmif>Maybe he can also run debsums sysvinit
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08:36<locsmif>to ensure that is ok, next step would be to install a new kernel, imho
08:36<icebrain>I have two kernels installed, 2.6.29 and 2.6.30
08:37<icebrain>what hw issues could cause this? Windows seems to work fine...
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08:38<xeon-enouf>doesn't laptop-mode, suspend/hibernate, ACPI things also play into possible issues? (like while AC adapter is plugged in or not, and silly things like resume=...) ..(last thought, i'm off)
08:39<xeon-enouf>(or even keymapping for that matter :-P)
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08:40<jm_>people have run into issues with init doing strange things when hw problems occured, it's just a guess in the dark really
08:41<jm_>does it even execute /etc/init.d/rc 6 for you?
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08:41<jm_>and is /etc/init.d/rc OK?
08:42<icebrain>/etc/init.d/rc seems fine... how can I know if it's running /etc/init.d/rc 6?
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08:43<icebrain>visually, it only switches to tty1 (but doesn't print anything new) and powers off
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08:45<jm_>i would just make rc script log to a file with set -x set too
08:45<locsmif>icebrain, sounds like a crash to me
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08:46<locsmif>what if you rename poweroff?
08:46<locsmif>that way you can determine if poweroff is indeed called or not
08:46<locsmif>just a thought
08:47<locsmif>if poweroff is called, it's some sort of init sequence error or something
08:47<weasel>install molly-guard.
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08:50<icebrain>jm_: sorry, but how can I use "set -x" to make rc log?
08:50<icebrain>locsmif: I'll try i
08:51<icebrain>weasel: isn't that to run scripts before shutdown? what good will that do?
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08:52<weasel>icebrain: what's the issue anyway?
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08:52<jm_>icebrain: add exec >>/var/tmp/rc.log<cr>exec 2>>/var/tmp/rc.log<cr>set -x
08:53<icebrain>weasel: shutdown doesn't seem to clean stuff before powering off
08:53<jm_>add as line 2, after the #! line
08:53<icebrain>jm_: thanks
08:53<weasel>icebrain: clean as in?
08:54<locsmif>weasel, it powers off before processes are cleanly terminated, leaving him with file system errors at next boot, etc.
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09:15<icebrain>hi, I've rebooted and read rc.log, but it seems it stops every daemon, but after "Unmounting local filesystems...done." and just before "Will now halt" it prints "mount: / is busy"
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09:19<jm_>icebrain: so it does stop everything then, but your problem is something else
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09:19<icebrain>but it doesn't umount roots fs...
09:20<icebrain>jm_: shouldn't it umount / before halting?
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09:21<jm_>icebrain: yes, I can't think straight right now, i.e. if this might be caused by logging to /var/tmp/rc.log - it's a good idea to remove the exec lines and try again
09:21<jm_>but I have to run now, sorry
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09:38<locsmif>I see IceWeasel connecting to and ... in Httpfox
09:38<locsmif>What's that all about?
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09:39<locsmif>nvm, I see it's some sort of new privacy invasive way to check ssl certificates :((
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09:39<themill>locsmif: certificate status updates
09:39<bcochofel>how can I find what module created a specific device?
09:40<themill>locsmif: the other option of not checking to see if a certificate has been revoked is also somewhat suboptimal
09:40<cahoot>bcochofel: sift through /etc/udev?
09:41<bcochofel>cahoot, ok, udev creates the device, but need to know the module
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09:43<locsmif>themill, I for one do not want to let verisign know which ssl sites I am visiting, it's none of their business...
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09:43<themill>locsmif: please design a better way of checking for revoked certificates and submit patches
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09:44<locsmif>So in essence, any SSL site in the past I visited could have been compromised?
09:44<locsmif>Because I could have been the victim of a man in the middle attack with a revoked certificate?
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09:50<themill>locsmif: that's pretty much the story. If you don't check for revocation of the certificate, you have no way of knowing the the certificate has since been compromised and being used in some horrid way.
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09:51<mrnice>hi, how can i remove files from lost+and found, with debugfs, i cannot remove a directory recursively
09:52<locsmif>themill: oh well, I understand the security function, but my priorities are slightly different..privacy first, security next..
09:52<locsmif>good for those who have it the other way around :)
09:53<themill>locsmif: there's no point in using https at all if you don't know whether the person you are talking to is who they say they are.
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09:54<locsmif>themill, you could take that one step further: the "trust piramid" in itself is based on trust, not on security...
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09:54<locsmif>verisign could be compromised, etc. etc.
09:55*locsmif winks at the NSA
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09:55<themill>absolutely. The use of ssl certs for both encryption and identification is a weakness in the entire system
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10:12<eightyeight>does apt support a mirror list? so, if for some reason the first repo is not available, it will query for a second, and so forth?
10:12<eightyeight>if apt does support such a utility, how can i set it up?
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10:14<calle>Hi everyone
10:15<calle>I've got a strange problem with my cddrive after installing debian lenny
10:15<calle>It won't stay closed after i close it
10:16<bja>calle: man eject
10:16<calle>i have used eject -a off already, no results
10:16<calle>any more suggestions?
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10:17<bja>calle: eject -t
10:18<calle>bja: closes, opens, then gives error message "eject: CD-ROM tray close command failed: Input/output error"
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10:21<bja>calle: sorry for the short answers, i had a runaway mouse. The only times i've had that kind of trouble, was 1) a faulty cd drive switch 2) a faulty cd drive
10:22<calle>bja: ok, thanks for helping
10:24<locsmif>The question is: does it happen in Windows..
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10:25<calle>locsmif:it happens in BIOS-screen aswell
10:26<locsmif>calle, hw defect then...
10:26<calle>the strange thing is that it worked before i installed debian:s
10:26<calle>ah, i guess i give up
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10:27<calle>bye, thank you for the help
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10:41<wekt>locsmif: iceweasel leaks data in a few ways.
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10:52<locsmif>wekt, yeah, I know, I'd rather be informed of each and every of them.. so plugging them is at least at my option..
10:53<locsmif>reminds me of installing Windows with a sniffer running on your gateway..
10:53<locsmif> etc etc.
10:54<locsmif>phoning home used to be an outrage...not anymore, I guess.
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10:58<wekt>locsmif: if you create an ancilliary package with altered defaults or something, let me know. ☻
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11:01<locsmif>wekt, fo sho :P
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11:06<wekt>if you locsmif, or some others want to undertake a quest to reduce iceweasel information leakage, I'll participate.
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11:07<bja>wekt: is there any bug filed against the information leakage on firefox?
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11:09<drucik>hi, is possible running virtual machine lenny with kernel 2.6.26 on xen dom0 with etch distro and kernel 2.6.18 ? i cannot find any suggestion about this problem
11:09<drucik>if you know somebody :)
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11:11<dpkg>i heard startx is a script that starts the X Window System, configure X before starting it. If the rest of X seems present, try getting xbase-clients. See <starting gnome>, or the way god intended X to be started. Issue 'startx <command> <xclient-options> -- <server> <xserver-options>' to specify specific client to start. Session will exit when that client exits.
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11:11<wekt>bja: not as far as i see. If so, it would fall under 'wishlist' most likely.
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11:11<mjt>i wonder when .xsessionrc gets executed. Here it is not sourced.
11:12<mjt>drucik: problem?
11:13<mjt>drucik: does it crash?
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11:18<drucik>mjt: xen dom0 running on debian etch with old kernel a one of vm machine i was upgrade on lenny version but the kernel stay the same version as was in etch
11:19<drucik>and when i install new kernel to vm so its still booting to ldo one
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11:20<mjt>so does it crash, or refuses to boot, or?
11:20<mjt>i don't understand what are you doing
11:20<drucik>nothing, booting ok but with bed kernel
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11:20<mjt>note that the kernel you're running in guest should support domU operation (unless you're using hvm)
11:21<mjt>bed kernel?
11:21<drucik>and when i am using new kernel in config of vm so its ended with virtual machine started and its all
11:21<drucik>and thats all, vm not running, nothing in logs
11:22<drucik>its end with: Started virtual machine.
11:22<mjt>i can't parse it
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11:22<drucik>i am getting apt-get running apt-get install linux-image-2.6.26....
11:23<drucik>and when i got reboot i have still 2.6.18 kernel
11:23<drucik>after reboot
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11:23<drucik>apt-get runnig is mistake, sorry :)
11:24<drucik>just only apt-get install is right
11:24<drucik>installation of the new kernel runs ok, no error messages
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11:28<mjt>drucik: so your prob is that your guest is running wrong kernel?
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11:36<drucik>mjt: that was my question, that it is possible that guest can have diferent kernel as a host
11:36<mjt>sure it is possible
11:37<mjt>you may run different operating systems even - like, freebsd and linux
11:37<mjt>(with completely different kernels, not just kernel versions)
11:38<drucik>hmm, but ho it configuring for my situation :)
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11:39<drucik>mjt: ok, thanks for info, i am going investigate :)
11:39*mjt still can't understand what's drucik's problem
11:40<drucik>mjt: :)
11:41<drucik>mjt: i have installed xen ethc version dom0, nad there is running one virtual machine same kernel and version
11:41<drucik>i upgrade virtual machine on lenny version
11:41<drucik>mjt: understand to this point ?
11:42<mjt>if your guest starts but you don't see it running, you have some guest startup problem - so that it exits immediately
11:42<mjt>you have to see its console. I don't remember how to do it in xen.
11:42<drucik>guest is dom0 and virtual hosts are domU
11:42<mjt>er no
11:42<mjt>guest is domU
11:42<mjt>host is dom0
11:43<mjt>virtual host = domU = guest
11:43<drucik>hmm, ok so i bed it wright prpbably
11:44<drucik>but problem is that after upgrade domU i have new debian lenny but with etch default kernel
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11:46<mjt>where xen ges the kernel to boot your domU? In dom0 filesystem or in domU filesystem?
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11:47<mjt>but i guess you should ask in #xen, or better yet, investigate/learn about xen domU config files - how to specify kernels/initrds.
11:47<drucik>both of them, first i installed it on domU a then copy it to dom0
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11:47<mjt>so again, what's your problem?
11:48<mjt>tell xen to boot new kernel.
11:48<mjt>for domU
11:48<drucik>when i as change the kernel from which have to boot the domU it exit with this
11:48<drucik>virtual:/etc/cron.daily# xm create virtual3.cfg -c
11:48<drucik>Using config file "/etc/xen/virtual3.cfg".
11:48<drucik>Started domain virtual3
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11:49<drucik>ups :)
11:49<drucik>mjt: but this virtual not running
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11:51<mjt>drucik: but I already answered that one
11:51<drucik>i was change the boot kernel in config for boot domU
11:51<mjt>if your guest starts but you don't see it running, you have some guest startup problem - so that it exits immediately
11:51<drucik>and get me this message what i past
11:51<mjt>you have to see its console. I don't remember how to do it in xen.
11:52<drucik>next 2 virtual what i have there running, only this what i am starting with new kernel not running
11:53<drucik>xm list is the command which show running virtuals
11:53<mjt>ask in #xen about how to debug boot-related issues
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11:53<drucik>i am going try
11:53<drucik>thanks for your time :)
11:53<mjt>you need to know how to debug a situation when a guest exits immediately
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11:54<zem>anyone familiar with (compilation error)
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11:56<gsimmons>zem: Any specific reason for compiling the rt61 enhanced legacy driver? rt61pci has been part of the kernel for a while now.
11:57<mjt>zem: your driver expects different kernel API...
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11:59<zem>gsimmons: rt61pci does not want to associate with ap
11:59<zem>mjt: solution?
11:59<zem>gsimmons: and i had problems with rt61pci in past, low speed and such
11:59<mjt>run another kernel?
12:00<zem>hmmm... not much of solution :/
12:01<wekt>zem: use kismet to diagnose the problem
12:01<mjt>kernel api changes. drivers changes. c'est la vie...
12:02<gsimmons>zem: The legacy drivers were dropped by the rt2x00 project last April. They are no longer supported.
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12:04<mjt>what it is anyway? Some wifi thing?
12:04<mjt>oh yeah it is
12:05<zem>i just found i should have firmware-ralink installed... which i didn't have
12:05<zem>hope that helps
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12:16<zem>tnx guys for help, works now
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12:39<bcochofel>how can I mount a cdrom using LABEL without a specific device under /dev? where can I found the LABEL ?
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12:42<mjt>bcochofel: you probably need a GUI :)
12:43<bcochofel>mjt, well, the GUI reads it somewhere, right?
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12:43<themill>bcochofel: does "blkid" help?
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12:44<bcochofel>themill, well... a lot thx
12:44<mjt>bcochofel: it goes long way. hald monitors your cd and sends events to dbus. your file manager subscribes to dbus events...
12:45<mjt>blkid will check all devices at invocation time trying to find the given labe.
12:45<mjt>and mount can do it too (it's using the same libblkid as blkid does)
12:46<mjt>mount LABEL=foo /some/where
12:46<mjt>but it all does not work as non-root
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12:47<bcochofel>mjt, but all that exists in initrd?
12:47<mjt>you want to mount that CD in initrd?
12:47<bcochofel>can I just mount a cdrom if I know the LABEL?
12:48<mjt>(i dunno what debian puts into initrd^Winitramfs these days... I use my own.)
12:49<bcochofel>mjt, I'm trying to custom my own too
12:49<bcochofel>mjt, put I'm having trouble with udev and modules
12:49<mjt>udev is/was one of the reasons i used my own initrd
12:49<mjt>i absolutely detest that beast.
12:50<bcochofel>mjt, ok, the problem is start :)
12:50<bcochofel>mjt, I like udev but it's tricky to start
12:50<mjt>are you CD an IDE one?
12:50<bcochofel>mjt, I'm doing something general
12:51<mjt>when i needed to boot off a cd, i just tried to find ANY cd on the system
12:51<mjt>now i switched from ide to pata (so that all devices are scsi ones), and use /dev/sr0 directly
12:51<mjt>so that the requiriment to boot is to insert the boot cdrom into FIRST cd-reader.
12:52<wekt>bcochofel: yes(label)
12:52<bcochofel>mjt, ok, but if I can just mount using the label it's even better ;)
12:52<bcochofel>wekt, sorry, yes for what?
12:52<mjt>if you put real mount command in there, or udev.
12:53<mjt>udev maintains /dev/disk/by-label/
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12:53<mjt>or even use blkid in a script
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12:53<bcochofel>mjt, without udev, without device in /dev can I mount it just with the LABEL (pre-defined one)?
12:53<xeon-enouf>mjt: do you use devfs still then? ..or
12:54<mjt>blkid -t LABEL=foo
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12:54<mjt>xeon-enouf: mdev from busybox
12:54<xeon-enouf>bcochofel: /sbin/MAKEDEV should do it, or reloading udev perhaps
12:54<xeon-enouf>mjt: interesting
12:54<zem_>i have some interface called pan0... what should that be?
12:54<xeon-enouf>that's BT?
12:55<mjt>bcochofel: but you need all your regular /dev/sda /dev/hdb etc device nodes anyway
12:55<xeon-enouf>panX ==bluetooth?
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12:57<mjt>2.6.31 has only hardwpan%d
12:57<xeon-enouf>mjt: is that (mdev) maintained still without looking like it'll die soon? - supported through recent kernel versions?
12:57<xeon-enouf>i guess, i know answer to b) now ;-)
12:57<mjt>i run it on 2.6.31-rc9 right now, with all the compatibility stuff removed
12:58<mjt>but debian require udev nowadays
12:58<mjt>its hardy possible to install any gui without it
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12:58<mjt>even many server-only stuff now wants udev
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12:58<mjt>including initrd-tools ;)
12:59<mjt>or initramfs-tools, whatever it's called
12:59<mjt>..which, in turn, is required by kernel.
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13:04<Mokesnap>snap mokies
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13:13<magyar_>hi ,just installed the latest kernel for lenny and lost all my IDE devices except the SATA drives , here is the dmesg errors >>
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13:34<{WH}>Hi, all!
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13:44<rudepeople>Is it possible to use module assistant to build the nvidia kernel module in a virtual machine? I ask because I have been playing with m-a on my lappy and I'm getting tired of reinstalling every time it breaks, I'd rather build and deploy a VM and just do it in THAT.
13:45<mjt>sure it's possible
13:45<mjt>it wont actually work - the module - because the lack of hw
13:45<mjt>but there's no reason for it to not build/install
13:45<rudepeople>I know that, but my objective is to build the module and then build a .deb file... now, is THAT possible?
13:46<mjt>the only possible caveat is different kernels in virtual machine and on your target system
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13:46<mjt>you can copy the module without any .deb files.
13:46<rudepeople>kernel is the same... the VM has direct access to the processor so the kernel would be identical... only real diferance is modules loaded.
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13:47<bcochofel>why can't I mount a previously losetup device rw ?
13:47<mjt>rudepeople: that's for you to ensure
13:47<rudepeople>mjt: about copy module: yeah, but I want to eventually build a repo for apt.
13:47<mjt>i never tried m-a.
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13:48<rudepeople>mjt: you never tried m-a? don't have nvidia? or have another way?
13:48<mjt>i use custom-built kernel
13:49<bcochofel>I'm doing: losetup /dev/loop0 <filename from cdrom>; mount /dev/loop0 /sysroot
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13:49<mjt>and custom packaging for kernel and booting
13:49<mjt>bcochofel: you can't write to a cdrom
13:49<rudepeople>mjt: so you DO have an nvidia card?
13:49<mjt>bcochofel: even if it's a file
13:50<mjt>rudepeople: yeah, i do have one of these somewhere in cupboard... ;)
13:50<bcochofel>mjt, I'm not mounting a cdrom, I'm mounting a file from the cdrom, it's a ext2 file
13:50<mjt>running amd (ati) here
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13:50<rudepeople>mjt: ah... gotcha...
13:50<mjt>..with radeon driver from xorg
13:51<mjt>(from git -- radeonhd)
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13:51<mjt>bcochofel: but can you actually write to that file? Sure it's an ext2 filesystem?
13:52<mjt>(and not something like cramfs or squashfs...)
13:52<mjt>(or even iso9660)
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13:52<bcochofel>mjt, sure, if the file goes on the initrd itself I can mount it rw
13:52<bcochofel>from the cdrom can't
13:52<mjt>because the cdrom itself is read-only?
13:53<mjt>< mjt> bcochofel: but can you actually write to that file?
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13:54<bcochofel>mjt, well, initially I was sending the file packet in initrd and them mount it on /sysroot
13:54<bcochofel>it's my rootfs, the one with the installation scripts
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13:55<bcochofel>and I only start having problems when that file was to big to fit initrd
13:55<bcochofel>them I put it in the cdrom
13:55<mjt>too big?
13:55<bcochofel>I'm mounting the cdrom, and then I can use that file, but since the file is in the cdrom it's ro
13:56<mjt>sure it's ro
13:56<mjt>i wonder how big is too big...
13:56<bcochofel>ok, then how can I "pass" the rootfs so I can mount it rw?
13:57<bcochofel>mjt, well rootfs it's about 40MB
13:57<mjt>i used 800megs initrd
13:57<mjt>worked without issues
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13:57<mjt>(provided you have enough ram)
13:57<rektide>how can i record a bash session ?
13:57<bcochofel>mjt, my kernel limits to 32MB, I know I can change this, but I was trying not too
13:57<bcochofel>rektide, script command
13:58<mjt>32mb? where's that limit?
13:58<bcochofel>mjt initramfs
13:58<mjt>i never changed (or saw to start with) anything about initramfs limits
13:58<rektide>bcochofel: thats what i was looking for; couldnt remember the name! many thanks
13:58<bcochofel>rektide, np
13:58<mjt>maybe it's your bootloader, not kernel?
13:59<mjt>my 800+ megs initrd required no special attention whatsoever
13:59<bcochofel>mjt, I was thinking using a 2 stage boot,
13:59<bcochofel>fisrt initrd with minimal stuff, then pivot_root to the rootfs
14:00<bcochofel>this rootfs comes on the cd
14:00<mjt>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 67615070 Sep 4 16:27 initrd-2.6.30-i686smp-test
14:00<bcochofel>and I want the script to log things to var/log/...
14:01<mjt>that's not the 800+ one, but it's way more than 32Mb anyway
14:01<mjt>it contains complete system (diskless router image)
14:01<rudepeople>anyone here comfortable with the module-assistant nvidia install method?
14:01<bcochofel>mjt, ok, but can I do this other way?
14:02<valdyn>rudepeople: its in the faq
14:02<mjt>bcochofel: you hit me really. I'm curious where that your 32mb limit comes from :)
14:02<rudepeople>valdyn: I know, I have the wiki open to the article... but it no workie.
14:02<mjt>bcochofel: and sure you can do the other way
14:02<bcochofel>mjt, can I mount /var on the chroot env, in a tmpfs or something like that?
14:02<valdyn>rudepeople: go ahead ask a real question
14:03<mjt>bcochofel: sure
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14:03<bcochofel>mjt, and /dev ?
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14:03<mjt>bcochofel: i prefer unionfs/aufs for that
14:03<rudepeople>I know I need to use packages from sid... but I want to keep the cross package installation to a minimum... can anyone tell me SPECIFICALLY what packages are needed from sid?
14:03<bcochofel>mjt, unionfs /dev and /var ?
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14:03<mjt>bcochofel: basically, you mount a single tmpfs, and union your whole read-only root with it.
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14:04<mjt>bcochofel: so yor whole root magically becomes writable
14:04<bcochofel>mjt, sorry, you lost me
14:04<mjt>bcochofel: no, it's you who lost me :)
14:04<bcochofel>ok, I see, something like tmpfs my /sysroot
14:04<bcochofel>and them mount there my rootfs file?
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14:04<mjt>lemme look for something...
14:05<drucik>mjt: you are head of support on this channel ? :)
14:05<bcochofel>mjt, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE=32000
14:05<bcochofel>I believe this is the var
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14:06<mjt>bcochofel: -- a script fragment that prepares root on unionfs from an readonly squashfs image
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14:06<ml|>rudepeople: like it told you before follow the wiki, only install nvidia stuff that is needed while following the wiki and make you follow /msg dpkg tum and this only applies if you are using testing, if not just follow the wiki good luck
14:06<mjt>bcochofel: it is'nt useful for you as it is, but gives some ideas
14:07<mjt>bcochofel: and i don't even have that variable in my kernel config :)
14:07<mjt>oh i do
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14:07<mjt>(mistyped the first time)
14:08<mjt>but it's initramfs, not initrd
14:08<mjt>which does not have that limitation anymore
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14:10<bcochofel>mjt, humm I was having issues with a big initrd, have to check that again
14:10<mjt>again: it's not initrd, it's initramfs
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14:10<mjt>a compressed cpio image
14:11<bcochofel>mjt, I have a compressed ext2 initrd.gz
14:11<bcochofel>that's diff, right?
14:11<bcochofel>sorry but I'm new to all this initrd stuff
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14:12<mjt>you're much better at many things than 99% of people who come here ;)
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14:12<bcochofel>ok, but that doesn't make do it right ;)
14:12<bcochofel>but I'm learning
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14:13<bcochofel>now I have a "working" linuxrc script
14:13<bcochofel>not quite finished because of that issues
14:13<mjt>and you don't need linuxrc either
14:13<mjt>you need /init
14:13<bcochofel>mjt, humm
14:13<mjt>another diff initrd vs initramfs
14:13<bcochofel>ok, diff name same stuff
14:14<mjt>but basically yes
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14:14<mjt>linuxrc gets executed as a helper process
14:14<mjt>/init *is* the process with PID=1
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14:15<mjt>it has to prepare the system AND run switch_root AND execute real init
14:15<bcochofel>mjt, then I can have an initrd with /init, a script that mounts /proc and /sys ?
14:15<mjt>ie, no more ugly hack - neither in kernel nor in userspace
14:16<bcochofel>this init file is the one that handles pivot_root . initrd and then chroot . /etc/init.d/rcS ???
14:16<mjt>no pivot_root anymore
14:16<mjt>it's switch_root or run_init - a helper program
14:16<mjt>but yes
14:17<bcochofel>ok, are those on busybox?
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14:18<bcochofel>mjt but that pivot_root stuff still comes on the kernel dfocs
14:19<mjt>for initrd
14:19<mjt>not for initramfs
14:20<mjt>switch_root removes everything from current root, chroots to a given dir and executes given command (usually /sbin/init)
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14:20<mjt>used when you're in initramfs and have real root mounted in a subdir
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14:21<mjt>but that's all details
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14:22<mjt>what you need to know is that you should never run pivot_root from initramfs, it's now called switch_root or run_init (in different kits)
14:23<mjt>and the initramfs itself... you just prepare your new sysroot *directory* (without creating mounting any images) and use cpio to archive it.
14:23<mjt>with special options so that kernel will recognize it
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14:24<mjt>bcochofel: it's documented in Documentation/filesystem/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt
14:25<mjt>filesystems rather
14:25<bcochofel>mjt, ok, now you lost me again... have to read more
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14:25<bcochofel>initrd and initramfs...
14:25<mjt>btw, that file explains the differences too
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14:26<bcochofel>mjt, ok
14:26<mjt>note initrd.txt is dated 2000 :)
14:26<bcochofel>tomorrow I go again
14:26<mjt>(and yes it still works)
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14:39<rudepeople>alright... I think I'm ready...
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14:39<rudepeople>ml|: can I ask you a HUGE favor?
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14:40<ml|>rudepeople: ??
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14:40<rudepeople>would you be willing to hand-hold me through this?
14:41<ml|>rudepeople: well, i can help you but don't blame me if it does not work
14:41<ml|>rudepeople: on testing right?
14:41<rudepeople>no problem, I'm doing it in a VM so if it doesnt work, I'm out 5 min to redeploy!
14:41<rudepeople>and yes.
14:42<ml|>have followed the tum msg from dpkg already?
14:42<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
14:43<rudepeople>my sourses file has BOTH sid and squeeze in it.
14:43<rudepeople>that what you mean?
14:43<ml|>pastebin your sources.list please
14:43<rudepeople>one moment...
14:44<rudepeople>backing up my MV should only take a min...
14:44<rudepeople>didn't expect you to respond so quickly
14:45<ml|>ok and also /etc/apt/apt.conf
14:46<rudepeople>55 seconds
14:46<ml|>your lucky that i can help you now
14:46<rudepeople>duely noted.
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14:49<rudepeople>awe... forced fsck
14:50<tuxlord>anyone know of Debian having faulty sound drivers?
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14:50<ml|>rudepeople: btw, on this vm have you tried this before? or is it a fresh vm?
14:51<cahoot>tuxcrafter: why do you ask?
14:51<Yoda-BZH>dpkg: tell tuxlord about ask
14:51<jonathanpoon>hey guys...which package contains the gnome-cups-manager application that could be found under System->Administration in Gnome?
14:51<tuxlord>my sound drivers are very wierd
14:51<rudepeople>ml| fresh install. VM is TOTALLY clean install of squeeze, updated this morning.
14:52<tuxlord>weird as in...
14:52<ml|>rudepeople: ok great
14:52<tuxlord>they do what they please
14:52<tuxlord>one moment
14:52<tuxlord>they will work fine
14:52<tuxlord>and another they will say
14:52<themill>tuxlord: try to write complete sentences to describe your problem rather than hitting enter every few words
14:52<tuxlord>no plugins or sound card configured
14:53<tuxlord>themill: you got it
14:54<tuxlord>anyone help?
14:54<cahoot>tuxcrafter: no discernable pattern?
14:54<rudepeople>ml|: sources.list -
14:55<cahoot>tuxlord: ^^
14:55<rudepeople>I do not have a /etc/apt/apt.conf I have an apt.conf.d
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14:55<tuxlord>well every time I install packages this problem manifests...but every once and a while it will start working again.
14:57<tuxlord>usually after I boot my machine.... but it always says no directory found or no sound card found when I speaker-test
14:58<cahoot>and then it spontaneously resolves?
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14:59<tuxlord>Yes lik this I am listening to Tool
14:59<tuxlord>But yesterday...nothing.
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15:01<cahoot>tuxlord: onboard soundcard or pci or usb?
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15:02<cahoot>tuxlord: made sure it's seated allright?
15:03<ml|>rudepeople: you need to create /etc/apt/apt.conf with APT::Default-Release "testing"; read above what dpkg said
15:03<rudepeople>k, working
15:03<tuxlord>cahoot: I did not think of that!!!
15:03<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
15:03<ml|>rudepeople: use /msg dpkg
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15:03<tuxlord>cahoot: Yes it is.
15:04<ml|>rudepeople: /msg dpkg selftell
15:04<cahoot>tuxlord: what make/model?
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15:04<tuxlord>cahoot:let me check
15:05<ml|>rudepeople: look at the hilighted lines and compare to what you have now
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15:06<tuxlord>Cahoot: now it is ls two --- 01:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 (rev 12)
15:06<tuxlord>01:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)
15:06<cahoot>tuxlord: ok then my guess is the change places from alsa's POW between reboots
15:07<rudepeople>ml|: apt.conf -
15:07<cahoot>tuxlord: i e the take truns of being card0 and card1 respectively
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15:08<rudepeople>ml|: changes to sources.list have been made
15:09<ml|>rudepeople: ok, now do aptitude update
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15:10<rudepeople>one moment... the apt.conf file has something that is bugging me... should I have the ";" at the end of line 1?
15:10<tuxlord>cahoon: how do you mean?
15:10<ml|>rudepeople: yes
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15:11<rudepeople>ml|: aptitude update complete
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15:12<cahoot>tuxlord: it seems you have two soundcards, it might be the order of module loading changes between reboots, hence sometimes the es1988 gets to be card0 (i e default) sometimes the c-media gets to be default - that's my speculation anyway
15:12<ml|>rudepeople: ok one sec
15:12<rudepeople>ml|: take your time.
15:13<tuxlord>cahoon:oh I see, but I only have one pci sound card
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15:13<cahoot>tuxlord: problably one onboard too?
15:13<tuxlord>cahoon:the other is intergrated
15:14<cahoot>tuxlord: you want the es1988 to be default?
15:14<tuxlord>cahoon: so how would I go about that?
15:14<ml|>rudepeople: now follow this ..
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15:15<rudepeople>ml| working...
15:15<cahoot>tuxlord: see 3.15 here:
15:15<ml|>ok lmk how it ends
15:16<tuxlord>cahoon: thanks for the correct path cahoon
15:16<ml|>tuxlord: use tab completion, type first letter of a nick or more and hit tab
15:17<nextime>hello all. Debian sid, latest 2.6.30-1-686 kernel from apt: i can't find a way to completely disable the pc speaker annoying beep: any suggestion?
15:17<cahoot>nextime: blacklist pcspkr and snd-pcsp
15:17<tuxlord>oh never mind I see
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15:18<nextime>( with old kernels just blacklisting pcspkr and snd-pcsp was enough )
15:18<ml|>tuxlord: type ml then hit tab and see what happens
15:18<cahoot>nextime: and rebuild initramfs
15:18<nextime>cahoot : it continue to beep even if both are already blacklisted from when i upgraded the kernel
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15:18<nextime>( and also i have already updated the initramfs )
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15:18<cahoot>nextime: is none of them loaded?
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15:18<konnus>you could buy some earplugs?
15:19<nextime>cahoot : yes, none of them are loaded
15:19<ml|>heh what a solution ;)
15:19<tuxlord>ml|, yes! lol
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15:19<cahoot>nextime: that's persistence
15:19<nextime>also, setting 0% and Mute to ps speaker and pc beep from amixer doesn't nothing
15:20<ml|>!congratulate tuxlord
15:20<dpkg>Woohoo tuxlord, you did it!
15:20<tuxlord>ml|, very funny!
15:20<tuxlord>ml|, :)
15:20<nextime>also, putting set bell-style none in /etc/inputrc isn't enough as it just disable it for completition
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15:20<ml|>tuxlord: now you know what tab completion is and how it works, also works in the terminal
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15:21<nextime>any other idea?
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15:21<tuxlord>ml|, yeah I was aware it worked in term...just never heard that expression before.
15:21<ml|>oh ok
15:21<tuxlord>ml|, but thanks!
15:22<ml|>np :)
15:22<cahoot>nextime: setterm and/or xset
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15:23<cahoot>nextime: but I wonder what's managing the speaker
15:23<nextime>cahoot : this will work i think, but it is a very crude hack
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15:24<cahoot>doesn't even qualify as hack
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15:25<ml|>rudepeople: ?? you should done by now
15:26<egwor>my box keeps running out of memory at weird times at night. (i.e. oom killer). What's the best way to identify what's causing the oom errors?
15:26<nextime>it seem to be this
15:27<nextime>in the kernel config
15:27<nextime>i thin that rebuild the kernel is a better way
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15:28<rudepeople>ml|: Yeah... it's slow
15:29<cahoot>egwor: no cronjob running at the time - like updatedb?
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15:29<egwor>not that I can see, no
15:30<ml|>rudepeople: ok how is going thus far?
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15:31<egwor>Sep 8 10:10:45 egwor postfix/trivial-rewrite[6792]: warning: connect to mysql server Too many connections
15:31<egwor>Sep 8 10:10:45 egwor postfix/trivial-rewrite[6792]: fatal: mysql:/etc/postfix/,lock|fold_fix): table lookup problem
15:31<egwor>cahoot: no, but I do often see mysql before. e.g. today, I see:
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15:32<rudepeople>ml|:it appears to have worked! but now I need to pull that .deb file...
15:32<ml|>rudepeople: pastebin the output of what you did to a pastebin
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15:33<rudepeople>ml|: what I did?
15:33<ml|>yes aptitude -t ....
15:33<ml|>*yes aptitude install -t ....
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15:43<nextime>ok after re-building the kernel will remain only to setup splashy to sobstitute my old bootsplash and my laptop is updated
15:43<nextime>even if splashy can't really completely sobstitute bootsplash...
15:43<nextime>( sadly )
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15:44<rudepeople>k... hang on... getting pulled in multiple directions here...
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15:45<rudepeople>ml| I literally copied and pasted the 4 lines from your bastebin.
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15:48<rudepeople>ml|: Prior to that, from beginning, I installed debian, updated (apt-get upgrade), updated the sourses.list to include sid, then per your recommendations, I added the apt.conf file setting squeeze as default repo... I then installed linux-image-$KVERS and linux-headers-$KVERS. after that, I did a VM backup and then all I did was run the 4 commands you put in...
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15:48<ml|>rudepeople: yes, that's fine i just want to see the output of that to see that it worked fine
15:48<rudepeople>gotcha... erm... where is the log file?
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15:49<ml|>in the terminal you ran it in
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15:49<ml|>just the stuff near the end should do?
15:50<rudepeople>ok... one moment...
15:50<ml|>no '?' for my previous comment
15:51<rudepeople>ml|: log -
15:51<rudepeople>ml|: yeah I figured.
15:51<ml|>rudepeople: yes looks fine :)
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15:52<ml|>rudepeople: but why did you install linux-image-$KVERS and linux-headers-$KVERS ??
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15:54<rudepeople>I need the headers for the VM client software and linux-image was needed by the nvidia software... at least it was in the faq.
15:55<rudepeople>seperate needs is all.
15:56<rudepeople>it appears to have worked... but I note that glx came from sid... in need to put BOTH glx and the .deb in my repo don't I?
15:56<ml|>ok, one thing you might want to change in sources.list testing instead of squeeze and unstable instead of sid but ask the channel for the pros and cons about this
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15:57<ml|>rudepeople: < rudepeople> it appears to have worked... but I note that glx came from sid... in need to put BOTH glx and the .deb in my repo don't I? <--- huh?
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15:58<KasDra>Hello, how can i compile something from source and make a .deb package?
15:59<ml|>rudepeople: and when you do this on real hardware you should not need to install linux-image-$KVERS and linux-headers-$KVERS
15:59<rudepeople>I'm building a repo for the nvidia modules for all driver versions I can. this will allow people to add my repo to their sources.list and update their nvidia packages using the update tools instead of rebuilding the module every time the kernel updates.
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15:59<KasDra>i have the source and i want to do a .deb package. how to do it?
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16:00<themill>KasDra: take a look at dh_make and /msg dpkg nmg
16:00<rudepeople>My vm will automate the build process, once a day, it will attempt to update the kernel, if there is an update, it will ALSO build an updated nvidia kmod and upload it to an externally accessable repo
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16:02<ml|>rudepeople: ok, don't think you can do that but i have no idea, maybe someone else can help you there and now you know how to do this, time to do it for real, also the wiki explains what to do on kernel changes
16:03<ml|>rudepeople: and you are installing that nvidia stuff from unstable because they have not made it to testing yet, this should not be needed in the future
16:04<ml|>rudepeople: anyways congrats
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16:10<ml|>KasDra: you also use checkinstall (much simpler for a simple deb creation) if this just for you, but dh_make is the debian way of building .deb /msg dpkg checkinstall
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16:12<KasDra>ok, thanks
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16:29<bloebb>hi, i would like to make a custom gnome installation (altering the package selection) on my future debian system
16:29<bloebb>can i simply do that by avoiding metapakages and substituting packages?
16:30<bloebb>i mean, for example to install everything that is in gnome-core but choose mirage and not eog as and image viewer or mousepad and not gedit as an editor.
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16:31<ml|>if you already have the system how you like it /msg dpkg aptitude clone
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16:32<bloebb>no, i don't have that right now
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16:32<bloebb>i am just asking
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16:32<ml|>ok msg dpkg about that anyways
16:32<bloebb>i do not quite understand
16:33<ml|> /msg dpkg aptitude clone
16:33<bloebb>what does it do?
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16:34<locsmif>What's the matter when Konsole tabs do not respond to right clicks anymore?
16:34<ml|> dpkg will send you a pm about using aptitude clone
16:34<dpkg>ml|: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
16:34<locsmif>Everything else functions normal..
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16:34<bloebb>for what would i want to use that?
16:34<rektide>how do i see any arguments passed to the kernel at boot ?
16:34<bloebb>press e
16:35<bloebb>there's written a text in the boot menu
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16:35<bloebb>it's all written there, you just have to read ;)
16:35<rektide>u-boot does not have that feature
16:35<ml|>when you have things setup, you can use that to have the same system setup on another machine or after a fresh install
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16:36<bloebb>but, i think, i don't want that
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16:36<rektide>i'm assuming there should be some kind of userland way of seeing boot params for the kernel
16:36<bloebb>maybe man uname ?
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16:37<bloebb>is just wanted to know if shoving packages can cause serious trouble
16:37<ml|>ok, it was just a suggestion, what you want to do might not be possible because of dependencies issues
16:37<bloebb>yes, but that's not the problem, if you don't use metapackages
16:38<bloebb>but install it all by hand
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16:38<bloebb>i just wonder if that is going to result in a well-integrated desktop environment...
16:38<bloebb>which i desire
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16:51<rektide>answer: /proc/cmdline has kernel arguments listed
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16:53<bloebb>hey, if i want to install gnome-core with compiz-gnome rather than metacity, would i just: apt-get install gnome-core compiz-gnome+ ?
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16:58<bloebb>man apt-get says: a plus sign can be used to designate a package to install.
17:00<stew>bloebb: just "apt-get install gnome-core compiz-gnome" should be enough, you'd use the + sign when you were using a verb other than install, for instance "apt-get remove gnome-core+ compiz-gnome+" would actually mean to install them instead of remove
17:02<bloebb>so if i specifiy the alternativ package, it notices automatically and does not install metacity?
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17:02<LinuxOwnsMe>hi community!#
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17:03<LinuxOwnsMe>what does -jxvf exactly means?
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17:03<stew>bloebb: in this case, yes. gnome-core has "metacity (>= 1:2.26) | compiz-gnome" listed as dependencies, and this means one or the other. if you specify neither, it takes the first alternative, in this case metacity. if you are specifying the other, it won't try to install metacity
17:03<themill>LinuxOwnsMe: man tar -- you need to look at the -j -x -v and -f options
17:03<bloebb>LinuxOwn...: man tar...if you ike to read
17:04<LinuxOwnsMe>i know tar
17:04<bloebb>ok, thanks stew
17:04<stew>jthomas_: assuming you mean tar, the - is ignored the j means "bzip" the x "extract" the f indicates the tarfile should be the next argument
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17:04<stew>jthomas_: nm
17:04<stew>LinuxOwnsMe: ^^
17:04<LinuxOwnsMe>but every time i tip in tar -jxvf *name*.tar.bzip2
17:05<LinuxOwnsMe>i gain an an errorcode
17:05<stew>LinuxOwnsMe: what is the error you get?
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17:05<LinuxOwnsMe>y mom iam have to write down first coz copynpaste does not work on my virtual machine
17:05<LinuxOwnsMe>i have*
17:06<mish>Why would a systems administrator have a script checking for: "lsof -i:80 -n | grep LISTEN", and logging that as suspicious, am I missing something or would that return perfectly valid results on an server with apache running?
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17:06<LinuxOwnsMe>ahh nice
17:06<LinuxOwnsMe>thanks for your help:P
17:06<LinuxOwnsMe>i restarted my vm
17:06<LinuxOwnsMe>and look
17:07<LinuxOwnsMe>it works for me now
17:07<LinuxOwnsMe>linux simply owns me
17:07<LinuxOwnsMe>owned me again!
17:07<bloebb>as long as you don't own linux that's okay...
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17:08<LinuxOwnsMe>(: true
17:08<LinuxOwnsMe>actually who was the creator of linux?
17:09<LinuxOwnsMe>who kind of owns linux
17:09<LinuxOwnsMe>i should google it^^
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17:10<LinuxOwnsMe>a dude named Richard Stallman
17:10<bloebb>sorry, but that is incredibly funny
17:10*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
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17:10<LinuxOwnsMe>y sorry themill
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17:18<edbian>How can I set up the clients on my lan to authenticate the logins against the users on a server?
17:20<jthomas_>edbian you need LDAP I believe, although I am not sure how to integrate that into client machines.
17:20<edbian>jthomas_: Is that a database?
17:20<edbian>light directory active protocol ?
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17:21<jthomas_>light-weight directoy access protocol. In a way, yes ut has a database on its backend
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17:22<slush>what kind of clients, edbian ?
17:22<edbian>slush: ubuntu clients, debian server
17:22<edbian>all linux
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17:24<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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17:25<edbian>slush: Can you help?
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17:27<slush>edbian: look at pam
17:28<edbian>slush: I've been doing some initial research with that. Is it possible to set PAM up so that the users are authenticated against an NFS share or something? Do I NEED ldap?
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17:28<slush>no, you don't need ldap .. that's just one way to do it
17:28<edbian>slush: Thank you! I'll research pam
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17:28<jthomas_>edbian if you're asking about setting up LDAP-authentication on Ubuntu clients, you're going to get more help in #ubuntu on the server. If you're asking about LDAP setup in general, I suggest you get some websearches started and get some reading done. Its not a super-simple setup AFAIK. You may want to look into Mandriva Directory Services, which can run on Debian
17:29<slush>see `aptitude search libpam` for pam modules
17:29<edbian>jthomas_: I would prefer to avoid ldap if possible
17:29<edbian>slush: There are alot! :)
17:30<jthomas_>i cannot say if PAM is any easier or not
17:30<Tekla>which package has the java ssl stuff?
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17:34<edbian>Is there a preferred method for network authentication?
17:34<slush>edbian: for the record, I never setup such thing, but pam would be the first thing where I would start looking, since pam is the normal way users get authenticated
17:34<edbian>slush: Yes yes. Thank you. You've been very helpful :)
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17:36<edbian>locklace: How helpful of you! :)
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17:37<edbian>locklace: O wait. I don't think this is what I'm asking about. Maybe I should be more specific. I have a network with 1 server and 8 clients. I'd like to have several users log in to any of the clients (or the server) without having to manually add those users to 9 computers
17:38<edbian>locklace: Is NIS the preferred method?
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17:39<jthomas_>edbian i don't think there is a 'preferred' method :)
17:39<edbian>jthomas_: slush locklace Thanks guys!
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17:39<jthomas_>edbian from that NIS article above, "In many environments, other directory services — arguably more modern and secure than NIS, such as LDAP
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17:40<slush>good luck :)
17:40<jthomas_>its just that, there are a lot of options out there.
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17:40<jthomas_>yes good luck and we'd love to either hear how it went, or read a long blog posing about yor issues and solutions and the rollout, edbian ?
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17:40<nextime>who is better, splashy or usplash
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17:42<nextime>( note: maybe doesn't matter, but i need to use it also from initramfs, so, if there is any know issue with one of those in initramfs, i can't prefer it )
17:42<joshua>hey guys just wonder what some good commands for browsing a network are. I am in a mixed enviroment and am wondering if there is a way to look at what is being shared by the windows machines on the same network i am on.
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17:43<themill>joshua: smbclient (or smb4k for a graphical interface) is probably what you are looking for
17:44<joshua>i'm looking for more of a CLI based way to learn first
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17:48<jthomas_>smbclient is good for a single server with known shares (in my experience), but KDE's dolphin or konqueror can 'see' everything on the network very nicely. in the address bar just type 'smb://' (no quotes)
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17:49<themill>smbclient -L to list the shares on a server
17:49<jthomas_>nmap (CLI) would also allow you to scvan a netowrk for open file-share ports (samba (windows) for example is port 139 i believe)
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17:49<jthomas_>g'night all.
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17:52<joshua>yeah i'm looking for a CLI solution
17:52<nextime>is there any way to get what bootsplash was doing in the past with usplash or splashy or even in another way? ( read as: what i really want is to have a background image in my console, the graphic boot is only a value added )
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17:53<joshua>i prefer learning things on CLI that way your
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17:54<csotelo>hi peole
17:54<csotelo>i have a problem on my debian
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17:55<csotelo>has a segmentaion faul on the ls comand
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17:55<csotelo>and when it boott has a lot failures on remove tmp
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17:59<bloebb>hi, how can i hold pack a _single_ recommended package with apt-get install or aptitude?
17:59<bloebb>i tried man apt/itude, but din't really get it
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18:03<themill>!apt recommends
18:03<dpkg>Since lenny, APT installs recommended packages by default; if you don't want this, add "APT::Install-Recommends no;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf; or as a one-off, you can: apt-get --no-install-recommends install package_name, or set the APT::Install-Recommends option to false. Understand that by not installing "recommended" packages, you will be missing functionality from the packages.
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18:07<bloebb>i know all that
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18:07<bloebb>but hwat if i have 5 recomended packages and only want to install 4 of them, hence hold back one
18:08<themill>bloebb: either use the interactive interface to aptitude or at aptitude [Y/n/q/?] prompt, type :packagename for the one you don't want installed
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18:09<themill>: means temporary hold (i.e. hold just for this session). = would be a permenant hold. +_- also exist for adding/purging/removing packages
18:10<bloebb>themill: can you give me a code example?
18:12<themill>bloebb: "aptitude install latexdraw" would pull in texlive-pstricks as a recommends (amongst other things). Before doing the install, aptitude will ask "Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]". At that prompt type ":texlive-pstricks" to have aptitude recalculate the solution but without changing the state of that package
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18:19<bloebb>ok, thanks a lot
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18:37<scott->What would cause my bash shell (running in Debian Lenny 5.0) to completely ignore my .bashrc file? It neither binds my aliases nor sets my customized prompt.
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18:42<david__>alguien sabe como puedo ver que programas tengo instalados en debian por consola
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18:42<elmig>dpkg -l
18:42<dpkg>elmig: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
18:42<elmig> dpkg -l
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18:43<chealer>!tell david__ about es
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18:49<mish>What does a line like "ESTABLISHED-" (as opposed to ESTABLISHED7556/apache2) in a netstat mean, it's only there for a second, but I'm interested.
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18:57<Sfine>hello i have a small problem after a crash from dpkg and reboot, now the system hangs at the Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... done .
18:57<Sfine>and nothing happens :(
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19:09<xeon-enouf>he's an odd one; why doesn't IceWeasel's address bar (...and even search bar) have a clear[x] button? i hate the way cut/copy/paste do not interact corrrectly with it, then i end up pasting the wrong thing, and have to press and hold Backspace ...ugh
19:10<xeon-enouf>in links2, this is not a problem at all - nor, dare i say, in konqueror
19:10<Nemoder>there's probably an extension for that :P
19:11<xeon-enouf>(i haven't used konq in a wghile, but i do recall a [x] to clear the line, and it operated properly when middle-click to paste (after highighting text from elesewhere))
19:11<lcabrini>Sfine: can't tell exactly what is your problem, but you may want to boot of from <your favorite LiveCD> and chroot into your system to do a bit of maintenance.
19:11<xeon-enouf>Nemoder: that really stinks .. it's such basic functionality
19:12<themill>xeon-enouf: why should there be a clear button? Ctrl+L is all you need
19:13<themill>(since when did you use a mouse anyway?)
19:13<Sfine>oh, 1st its a server that i can acces remotly by some kind of kvm software so that i can even do a bios edit / restart etc...
19:14<xeon-enouf>themill: i have to use a mouse, because iceweasel can't handle keyboard only, plus my keyboards keys do different things in different apps, and diff desktops for some unknown reason
19:14<Sfine>i booted via grub edit -> init=/bin/bash
19:14<xeon-enouf>themill: plus, my ohter hand is busy ;-)
19:14<Sfine>so i can see ... but the question is what should i look for ..
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19:15<xeon-enouf>themill: seriously, if it takes two hands to use any form of a computer, you might as well be text-messaging
19:15<lcabrini>Sfine: do you remember exactly what dpkg was processing when it croaked?
19:15<xeon-enouf>(since only baboons do such nonsensical things)
19:15<Sfine>nope i didnt do it, i am the one who should resolve it :x
19:16<lcabrini>Sfine: ah! :)
19:16<Sfine>but i think it could be simple, after /scripts/init-bottom it simple waits for anything
19:16<Sfine>but the init.d or something like that doesnt come...
19:17<Sfine>so it could be somewhere a command to call the next part from boot is missing
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19:17<xeon-enouf>themill: i'm seriously not trying to come off as whining ; it's just that there's a whole can of worms behind any question i might ask ... uff
19:17<xeon-enouf>themill: but if ^L works, thanks
19:17<lcabrini>Sfine: very possible.
19:18<Sfine>lcabrini: but i dont know where to look :)
19:18<lcabrini>Anything in /var/log/dkpg.log?
19:18<Sfine>do you know ? or what should be next after /scripts/init-bottom ?
19:18<themill>xeon-enouf: ^K for the search box, btw
19:19<xeon-enouf>themill: ^L seems to highlight all in the address bar (not what i want) which then loads into buffer (ugh!) so my highlighted text is lost! and it then requires a Backspace ..
19:19<xeon-enouf>same behaviour
19:19<themill>xeon-enouf: ^L neither loads into buffer nor requires backspace
19:19<Sfine>last message in dpkg was : date time .. status half-configured dpkg 1.14.25
19:20<Sfine>and from that time .... not booting :D
19:20<xeon-enouf>themill: all it does is highlight text here .. wait, for you, i'
19:20<lcabrini>Sfine: seems even ubuntu users get this at times:
19:20<xeon-enouf>ll try something
19:20<Sfine>i did search the internet before coming here and asking :p
19:20<Sfine>and thats something else
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19:21<Sfine>somewhere on the way while upgrading dpkg it froze and crashed
19:21<lcabrini>What happens if you do a dpkg --configure -a ?
19:22<xeon-enouf>themill: great - wonderful... sigh .. so ^L and ^K == only seem to highlight the text, and middle-click DOES paste, _but_ appends, rather then replaces ; and, Shift+Insert repastes the newly highlighted text (from ^L and ^K) ..
19:23<xeon-enouf>themill: this isn;t rocket science, yet _someone_ seems to think "they know better"
19:23<themill>xeon-enouf: if you're wanting to go to a new URL that's in the buffer, just middle click on the page area
19:23<lcabrini>dpkg crashed while upgrading itself?
19:23<Sfine>rebooting into rw mode
19:23<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, lcabrini
19:23<Sfine>and yes it looks like it but i wasnt on the maschine in that time so i couldnt see it
19:23<lcabrini>gnn!!!! stupid bot!
19:24<themill>xeon-enouf: it's people like you who complained about interfaces being too complex and having too many features (bloat!) that caused the clear button to be removed from the URL bar to try to simplify things.
19:24<themill>xeon-enouf: maybe next time you'll see that some other feature is actually useful to others and think some more before complaining about it
19:24<Sfine>ok so i did try dpkg--configure -a and a nice error came out :)
19:24<xeon-enouf>hahaha .. nice come back .. however, inapropos ;-)
19:25*xeon-enouf points themill to the unix philosophy
19:25<lcabrini>Sfine: I expected so.
19:25<Sfine>invoke-rc.d -> warning invoke-rc.d called during shutdown sequince enabling safe mode : initscript policy layer disabled
19:25<Sfine>error were encountered while procesing linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64
19:25<lcabrini>Since the machine is remote, I guess you'd be best off trying to build dpkg from source
19:26<xeon-enouf>themill: no, there's a) basic functionality and standards, ... then there's b) "features" which equates to bloat!
19:26<lcabrini>If you could only get a Live CD in there you could chroot in and revert dpkg back.
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19:26<themill>xeon-enouf: what you're asking for is already implemented in several other ways.
19:27<Sfine>stupid question but how would irevert it back ?
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19:28<xeon-enouf>themill: themill see, it's people incapable of thinking 'outside the box' that don't seem to get the fact that "their" software isn't the only one being used ... IOW, the world does NOT revolve around what they think/do .. and so their pea brains develop for more pea brains
19:28<lcabrini>Sfine: not stupid but good question actually.
19:28<xeon-enouf>which is why i never wanted to use Iceweasel in the 1st place
19:28<xeon-enouf>themill: ok
19:28<Sfine>as i can access the maschine on a hw based remote many things can be done remote like
19:29<Sfine>i can even remotly mount an image :p
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19:29<lcabrini>Okay, that could be helpful.
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19:30<lcabrini>But we'd still need to get that dpkg image there, without relying on dpkg to install it.
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19:31<Sfine>maybe the files are on the maschine just not compiled / finished the job
19:31<lcabrini>Sfine: possible, but you are still stuck with dpkg not being in a working state.
19:32<lcabrini>Which means it is not capable of processing .debs.
19:32<Sfine>well i have there some kind of ubuntu but on a dmged drive that i am not using but i could chroot from there ... not sure that it helps but
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19:33<lcabrini>Hm.. Something I've never had to do, so I don't know how to, but there should be a way to tell dpkg to install packages into a chroot.
19:33<lcabrini>that should be what the installer does, right?
19:33<Sfine>th pc got a 2disks in a raid and one older disk with ubuntu that after some time got the msg, partition read only some kind of bug
19:34<Sfine>well but back to original prpoblem
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19:34<lcabrini>maybe fs errors.
19:34<Sfine>100% fs errors cos fsck could not solve them
19:34<lcabrini>bad luck.
19:34<Sfine>but who cares ;) old drive anyway
19:35<Sfine>btw dpkg should have the files before it tryies to do something ?!
19:35<Sfine>so the required files for the work should be there somewhere
19:35<lcabrini>It happens. But anyways, there must be somebody here with a black belt in dpkg fu.
19:36<lcabrini>Who would know how to get dpkg to install a package into a chroot..
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19:36<Sfine>or who would know how to rebuild dpkg manualy
19:36<Sfine>i try and google a little in the dpkg question as i wasnt sure about it and didnt do research in that direction
19:37<lcabrini>Exactly, but that would of course require that you have the tool chain for building installed
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19:39<lcabrini>Sfine: for the packages, check /var/cache/apt/archives
19:39<lcabrini>You should have dpkg-*.deb there somewhere.
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19:40<Sfine>yep its there
19:40<lcabrini>Probably won't help much... :(
19:41<Sfine>should i try somehow execute it ? :p
19:41<Sfine>was a joke :p
19:42<Sfine>ok but not sure what to do with the package, now for real ?
19:42<Sfine>as my dkpg is not working i cant dkpg -i xxx.deb
19:44<Sfine>well i did try -i and it did something
19:44<Sfine>processing triggers for man-db and that was it
19:45<Sfine>not rly sure that should be all :p
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19:45<lcabrini>Well only one way to find out.
19:45<lcabrini>Try to install something else.
19:46<lcabrini>Maybe apt-get install zsh ??
19:46<Sfine>same processing triggers for man-db
19:46<Sfine>i think its still corupted :x
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19:47<lcabrini>possibly a dangerous question but what does debbootstrap do on a somewhat working system?
19:47<Sfine>should i try ? :D
19:47<lcabrini>Because it should install basic utilites like dpkg, no?
19:47<lcabrini>Sfine: what happens if it goes from bad -> worse... ?
19:48<Sfine>i still have file on the partitions but in /home
19:48<Sfine>but from system i dont think it could be rly worse
19:48<Sfine>but mysql ...
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19:49<Sfine>anyway deboostrap command not found :D
19:49<lcabrini>Maybe you want to mysqldump before proceeding.
19:49<Sfine>i cant start mysqldump from the bashlike system i have
19:50<Sfine>its just /bin/bash withotu the real boot ( as the boot hangs ) not rly able to work
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19:50<lcabrini>Oh yeah, I forgot...
19:51<Sfine>i could start the db maybe it would even work, but would not solve the problem ;)
19:51<Sfine>and as i said the command was not found :p
19:51<Sfine>so deboostrap isnt there anyway
19:51<lcabrini>debbootstrap would also have to be installed.
19:51<lcabrini>it would also have to be installed *outside* your target system.
19:52<Sfine>i dont even have internet access as eth0 is not started
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19:52<lcabrini>You wouldn't happen to have a bit of hd space left that you could create a temporary little system partition on?
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19:53<Sfine>i could delete the old drive wit the fs errors :p
19:54<Sfine>but i can boot from a floppy img
19:54<lcabrini>Sfine: yikes! That wasn't the type of rescue system I was dreaming of... ;-)
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19:54<Sfine>i can upload a 1,44mb file ( image) to the kvm remote system and it will try to boot from it
19:55<Sfine>but something i forgot to tell :D its a software raid
19:55<Sfine>so you cant get it from another system :D
19:55<Sfine>( that would be too easy ) :D
19:55<lcabrini>Hm... It seems like we're hitting walls in every direction..
19:55<Sfine>(wasnt my idea pls dont kill me )
19:56<lcabrini>Don't worry if I have to kill you I'll use -9 so you won't really feel much. :D
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19:57<lcabrini>Sfine: I'm sorry but I can't really think of a solution, at least not atm.
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19:58<Sfine>anyway tanks a lot even know i got a little more forward as the dpkg was something *new* for me
19:58<lcabrini>Possibly a few hours of sleep and I could conjure something up.
19:59<lcabrini>But Google and ask around a bit more. Good luck!
19:59<Guest1741>Is anyone here good with iptables please?
19:59<Sfine>conjure :D go and have a rest -> nice sleep and nice dreams :)
20:00<lcabrini>Sfine: I think I'm going to dream about being chased by dpkg-gone-bad!!
20:00<Guest1741>This is not working
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20:07<Sfine>btw lcabrini something :D in the end but lol
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20:10<lcabrini>Sfine: seems like it could be helpful, at least the very last bit. :)
20:11<Sfine>but i dont rly understand it, should i simple extract it and overwrite ? :D
20:12<lcabrini>It should work, but maybe you dpkg database will be slightly out-of-sync afterwards.
20:13<themill>"dpkg -x" would be easier than ar then tar
20:13<lcabrini>themill: assuming of course, that dpkg isn't the package that is hosed.
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20:13<themill>yes, but that doesn't seem to be the case here
20:14<lcabrini>it is.
20:15<Sfine>dpkg is damaged after some kind of update :(
20:15<dpkg>Sfine: I don't know, could you explain it?
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20:15<lcabrini>Yes, dpkg, it is you we're talking about!
20:16<themill>I've not been following closely, but if you've been doing things like dpkg -l and dpkg -i that have been borking on dpkg db issues then dpkg -x should work
20:17<lcabrini>Actually, it could be worth a try.
20:17<lcabrini>Could give you a good indication of how badly dpkg is damaged..
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20:19<Sfine>not working
20:19<Sfine>not even ar x
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20:19<Sfine>but i could open the files with mc :D
20:19<Sfine>so i will extrac them using mc+
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20:21<Sfine>well after another try it did extract something
20:21<Sfine>but the *install* file not
20:22<Sfine>so i used dpkg +x dpkg_xx.deb dir
20:22<Sfine>so now i have the files in a directory, what now ?
20:23<Sfine>copy over into root ?
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20:54<arksidux>so true. i was sending that to xim010
20:54<bja>that kind of cocktail is bad for your health
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21:20<bja>Does someone know of a nice howto to set up a virtual network for different vm?
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21:29<rektide>sudo iw phy phy1 interface add wlan4 type master \ See
21:29<rektide>err wron channel
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22:28<banished>Hi, how to get a machine to suspend to ram from CLI?
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23:15<cesurasean>Does anyone recommend a command line based backup/restore solution for my server? I've looked into Amanada, and some sbackup from ubuntu, but I wanted to know what everyone else is using.
23:15<cesurasean>Does Amanada even restore the backed up data, and if so, how?
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23:18<ml|>dpkg rsnapshot
23:18<dpkg>from memory, rsnapshot is a filesystem snapshot utility, which creates incremental backups of local and remote filesystems, using hard links to save disk space. See also /usr/share/doc/rsnapshot/html/rsnapshot-howto.html and, or ask me about <rdiff-backup>.
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23:20<cesurasean>ok, so rsnapshot will create snapshots of EVERYTHING, including permissions, recovering in case of dead HD, and it has rsync so I can send over to a backup server?
23:21<cesurasean>does it save all of the permissions, etc?
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23:26<ml|>cesurasean: yes, it uses rsync, man rsync and read the howto manual on thier site
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23:26<cesurasean>I know how to use rsync,
23:27<cesurasean>but I wasn't using it correctly to retain persmissions, ownerships, etc
23:27<cesurasean>plus, I didn't know how I'd restore that data
23:27<cesurasean>does rsnapshot restore data to it's original state like one of these Windows programs I have?
23:27<cesurasean>it's called disk imaging snapshot. :)
23:28<cesurasean>made by some small ass company, but whatever, it works.
23:28<cesurasean>I haven't found anything as easy to use with linux, yet, but rsnapshot does have snapshot in the name.
23:29<cesurasean>Amanda, and rsnapshot look the same, except Amanda looks to be sold as Zmanda also....
23:29<ml|>ok, -avzAHX should cover what you want but read the manpage you might need X and to restore is simple just cp or rsync the data back
23:29<cesurasean>might be a better solution to go with. it can also do rsync.
23:29<cesurasean>so you would cp / ?
23:29<ml|>*might not
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23:30<ml|>yes you can if you setup everything right in /etc/rsnapshot.conf
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23:30<cesurasean>ha, I'm confused as how to these backup programs actually restore, and what not. :)
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23:31<cesurasean>so, to restore, I could just get a basic debian, and then cp / to the new server?
23:31<ml|>if you know rsync, you know the basics of rsnapshot read the docs on thier site
23:31<cesurasean>and permissions/ownerships, etc will be intact?
23:31<cesurasean>and ill have a copied system?
23:31<ml|>yes if done right
23:32<cesurasean>what do you mean if done right?
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23:32<cesurasean>does it matter that the machines are different?
23:32<ml|>and you can restore individual files as needed
23:32<cesurasean>well, all I'm afraid of is losing all my apt installed programs....
23:33<cesurasean>how do I get a list of everything apt has installed?
23:33<ml|>you won't
23:34<cesurasean>so I need to copy the data to the 2nd drive without it actually being used....
23:34<cesurasean>makes sense
23:34<cesurasean>same as I did with Windows
23:34<cesurasean>2 hd's hooked to 1 computer with it's own OS, and use the middle computer to backup....
23:34<cesurasean>or restore, I meant*
23:34<ml|>so I need to copy the data to the 2nd drive without it actually being used....?
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23:35<cesurasean>yeah, the new drive would just need a linux partition, right? and NOT being used as a mounted OS being ran with x turned on, etc...
23:35<cesurasean>I'd just slave it to another computer, and copy while it's not "in use", correct?
23:36<ml|>dpkg --get-selections > /home/user/package.selections to save to a file what you have installed, then to restore ... dpkg --set-selections /home/package.selections && apt-get dselect-upgrade also /msg dpkg aptitude clone
23:36<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, ml|
23:36<cesurasean>mounted, but not running the OS to copy with, etc...
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23:37<ml|>yes, or in same machine
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23:37<cesurasean>I don't care to save apt if the rsnapshot will cover that....
23:37<cesurasean>no sense
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23:38<cesurasean>so, how does this save through rsync and what not?
23:38<cesurasean>the permissions/ownerships/chmod, etc
23:38<ml|>well, all I'm afraid of is losing all my apt installed programs.... why i said that
23:39<cesurasean>I have to set flags on rsync to do that for me?
23:39<cesurasean>symlinks, the whole nine yards. I want a clone.
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23:39<cesurasean>I just want something as easy as my windows program is! lol
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23:39<ml|>you do that man rsync and read the docs on rsnapshot site
23:40<cesurasean>I have already
23:40<cesurasean>it lacks docs
23:40<cesurasean>if it's anything linux, it usually does.
23:40<ml|>you asked .. < cesurasean> Does anyone recommend a command line based backup/restore if you want a gui an all no idea
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23:40<cesurasean>I guess I'll toss a coin between Amanda, and rsnapshot.
23:41<cesurasean>why do you insist on rsnapshot, and have you heard of Amanda before?
23:41<cesurasean>no, thanks ml for the info
23:41<ml|>the manpage for rsync is very good and the docs for rsnapshot on thier site
23:42<cesurasean>I'd just have to read it down to a T, I suppose.
23:42<shogunx>or you can say ook while going pointy clicky
23:42<ml|>yes you do for both but once you set it up right best ever, but use what you like
23:42<cesurasean>ill compare these two programs, they seem to both be popular.
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23:43<cesurasean>shogunx: that's no fun! :P
23:43<cesurasean>that's how my Windows backup program works. ha
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23:43<cesurasean>and it seems be the same with sbackup with ubuntu
23:44<cesurasean>but, I don't have X on my machine, etc.
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23:44<cesurasean>ill just have to do some playing, and testing, that's all.
23:44<cesurasean>thanks for the help
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23:50<dont_ping_me_bro>How is everyone this evening
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