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00:15<jon23d>I got it working by logging in via serial console and booting into single user mode from grub
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00:19<amol>hi to all,is hardware RAID is supported debian?
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00:37<jmarsden>amol: Yes. See
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00:47<el3ctron>alguien por ahi?
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00:59<simonrvn>helix: hello! :)
00:59<helix>hey simonrvn
00:59<helix>how's things?
01:01<simonrvn>doing good :). you?
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01:19<adamyarter>I'm having a hard time reinstalling sid. I have to use xorg 1.74 for pci domain support. apt-get dist-upgrade tells me that packages related to evolution are broken, but this is a fresh install. I just need to install xorg 1.74. Any ideas?
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01:24<dmsantam>afternoon all
01:25<dpkg>[unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
01:25<sney>because, ayarter, as much as I feel for you dude, there is no supporting sid because it is CONSTANTLY in flux.
01:26<jm_>so don't install evolution, problem solved
01:26<adamyarter>I totally get it. I just need to get xorg 7.4 on here.
01:26<jm_>or use aptitude and see which options it presents you with
01:26<sney>do the source build thing that that other guy suggested earlier
01:26<adamyarter>that's fine though. I get it. and I understand. That's probably my next step.
01:27<sney>add the sid source thing to sources.list and yadda yadda build it by itself without requiring all of sid's inherently shaky nonsense
01:29<jm_>aptitude will probably say keep evolution at current version or uninstall it or somesuch
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01:32<adamyarter>got it. yay! A functioning workstation again!
01:33<adamyarter>sid will work until the girl goes to work in the next few days. Then I'll have time to compile and not get her all riled up
01:34<adamyarter>then I'll reinstall and compile xorg myself, and get stable while using the xorg that I need.
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01:34<adamyarter>sney:I gotta say though, last I used debian, I preferred Solaris. Now its the other way around
01:34<adamyarter>the thought of installing solaris makes me want to cry. lol
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01:41<adamyarter>i gotta say, debian is faster. lol.
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01:48<sdf>I hava a curious system install as the minmial mode ..and now i seems to have no tcp/ip module enable since i run #netstat -an , there is no tcp/ip ,only unix domain sockets exist ..what i can do???in addition ,,i can ping any sites well, but both ssh and ftp client failed after i configure the network(ip,netmask)..
01:49<sdf>hello ,,anybody know something ??i think my tcp/ip doesn`t work.
01:51<googlah>sdf: what does "lspci" tell you, about Ethernet controller?
01:51<sdf>googlah: not found...
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01:53<googlah>Hm, then that's a problem. what ethernet card are you using?
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01:54<sdf>googlah: It`s a virtual machine..Why i can "ping" well..??
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01:56<googlah>It could be that it's virtualized of course.. something is not right. You can ping sites, but not ftp connect you mean?
01:57<Lethalman>sdf, check your firewall
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01:59<sdf>yes ssh and ftp both not work...another funny thing is there is no any tcp/ip info when i run# netstat -an,,only active unix domain sockets...
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02:01<googlah>Ah. check your firewall as Lethalman said.
02:02<ocx>hello, anyone had luck to setup PDC on ldap+samba ?
02:02<sdf>googlah: i don`t think firewall has been enabled..
02:03<Lethalman>sdf, what about cat /proc/net/tcp?
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02:06<sdf>Lethalman: there is no that thing..I have only 15 processes..incredible..
02:06<Lethalman>sdf, you don't have tcp in /proc/net or you don't have /proc/net at all?
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02:07<sdf>Lethalman: no /proc/net at all..
02:07<Lethalman>sdf, I don't see 15 processes since I used slackware 6-7 years ago... nice remembrances :P
02:07<Lethalman>sdf, is /proc mounted?
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02:09<sdf>Lethalman: yes, /proc have 22 file and DIR
02:09<Lethalman>so you don't have the net link in /proc
02:09<Lethalman>that can be problematic
02:09<Lethalman>and maybe the reason why network doesn't work for you
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02:27<sdf>I just reinstall the system with full mode..and it works...
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02:58<inkypinky>is it ok to ask questions regarding compiz on sid here or is there a separate channel for it ?
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03:02<jmarsden>It's pretty much never OK to ask questions about sid, if you run it, you are assumed to know enough to fix it yourself :)
03:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
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03:14<amol>hi to all, i have configured raid 1 ..but while booting it is not able to do autorecover as well i already removed second is there any way to recover raid filesystem using live Cd
03:15<amol>i think runing fsck on raid is not good so what will be the best way to recover it?
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03:16<adamyarter>actually, you guys helped me a lot, and answered my questions regarding sid and whatnot pretty thoroughly.
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03:17<adamyarter>sun and their stupid pci domains =)
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03:44<amol>hi to all, i am getting error as buffer i/o error on device sda3, logical block 113274117
03:44<twb>qemu-x86_64 (not qemu-system-x86_64) isn't my friend:
03:44<twb>Anyone know WTF is going on there?
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03:50<amol>how to convert rai-1 to ext3?
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04:00<Bob_Dole>I have a 350mhz g3 iMac, OS X 10.2 reported it as a version 34.1, just installed Debian on it. I don't have a function GUI, but I can get to virtual Terminals well enough.
04:03<jm_>did you install a desktop system or at least X?
04:05<Bob_Dole>GDM greeter is running, too.
04:05<jm_>what is the problem then?
04:06<Bob_Dole>Black screen, I can't see it. It doesn't look like the screen is even on.
04:06<jm_>how do you know gdm is running then?
04:07<jm_>login from another machine or just another tty?
04:07<Bob_Dole>another tty. I installed SSH so I can login to it remotely now.
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04:07<jm_>hmm try checking X logfile if there's anything useful in there
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04:10<shazik>hello all
04:11<shazik>i run unstable debian, and I can't make tomcat6 run as an other user (not the "tomcat").
04:11<shazik>I chowned the directories, fixed the /etc/init.d/tomcat but it fails
04:12<Bob_Dole>I don't really know what I'm looking for, I am a novice.. but nothing screams out "i'm why you have no video!"
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04:12<jm_>I would look at things like which mode it chooses vs. what monitor supports and so on
04:13<jm_>if there is something mac specific you will have to wait for someone who's familiar with it - I've only worked with an apple systems once for 2 minutes
04:13<Bob_Dole>I've used the x86 hardware for the past 3 years. Just now using the PPC stuff
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04:14<jm_>yeah it's a bit different - i.e. always uses FB as opposed to x86
04:14<jm_>it's also worth asking in the PPC channel
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04:15<Bob_Dole>what's the channel name for the PPC room?
04:15<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out or visit #debianppc
04:16<shazik>any help on how to run tomcat as another user?
04:16<jm_>no worries
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04:20<jm_>hmm another thing might be to try and start X manually in 8bpp, 16bpp and 24bpp
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04:55<amol>hi to all , i am getting error as Cannot initiate the connection to 3128:80 ( - connect (22 Invalid argument)
04:56<amol>while doing apt-get update
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04:57<jm_>you probably wanted to connect to localhost:3128
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05:03<amol>jm_ not to localhost i have exported my proxy with port number
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05:03<jm_>amol: well hostname:3128 then, but defeinitely not 3128:80
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05:04<twb>amol: you have messed up /etc/apt/apt.conf, apt.sources or $http_proxy
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05:07<pengcheng>Hi~ I'm kind of new to linux. I'm having problem with nvidia driver and xorg. vesa works fine but nvidia driver gives me no signal to the screen. I have the log file. Can anyone help me?
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05:08<twb>!tell pengcheng -about nvidia
05:08<amol>i am not able to boot in raid configured system
05:08<amol>how to recover it?
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05:09<twb>amol: the same way you'd recover any other system.
05:09<jm_>pengcheng: put your X logfile on some pastebin site
05:09<twb>amol: assuming you're talking about md raid. I can't vouch for hardware raid.
05:10<amol>twb in ext3 normally i boots in livecd and run fsck.yes i have mdraid
05:10<jm_>grml has support for raid etc.
05:11<twb>jm_: is grml a Debian derivative? I'd normally cite debian-live
05:11<jm_>twb: yup, it's a live CD based on Debian
05:11<amol>in livecd dmesg it shows error as autorelocate failed
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05:12<amol>buffer i/o error on device sda3,logical block 113274117
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05:13<pengcheng>I have tried install nvidia driver from debian and complie from the official nvidia site, also using envy. The results are the same. No signal is output to the screen
05:14<jm_>envy? are you using ubuntu?
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05:16<pengcheng>I used ubuntu yesterday.. but now im using debian. Sorry, Can you tell me how to get the log file to you?
05:17<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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05:21<jm_>this looks like an abrupt end of the logfile to me
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05:22<pengcheng>That's all it's got on the file. ending with line (II) Mouse0: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
05:24<jm_>yeah as if it crashed or somesuch
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05:26<pengcheng>The log file for xorg loaded successfully with vesa ended with the same line.
05:29<jm_>for nvidia driver it's missing stuff about GLX and "Setting mode" line
05:30<jm_>wait it's there I missed it
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05:30<jm_>are you sure this isn't just an exit because x session exits?
05:30<jm_>and are you useing FB?
05:31<jm_>using even
05:31<pengcheng>what is FB?
05:32<pengcheng>I have no idea..
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05:33<pengcheng>I can upload the xorg.conf too
05:33<jm_>maybe start xclock as your session to rule out the above
05:33<twb>I prefer xlogo :-)
05:34<twb>Of course, now xorg is modular they might not be installed
05:34<jm_>yup, I still need to figure out if there's anything in some basic/minimalistic install that can reliable be used
05:34<jm_>gah, be used reliably
05:34<twb>Not really
05:35<twb>Because everything by X(1x) can be installed on another box
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05:35<jm_>yeah I meant together with the server
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05:36<pengcheng>This is my xorg.conf. I've been tweaking with it but still get blank screen.
05:36<pengcheng>It's not dead. I can switch to Ctrl+Alt+F1 and see x is running
05:36<Sanata>Hi all, is there a way to create a virtual ethernet interface over a SATA II channel (i.e. to connect 3 GB/s SATA-SATA two machines which are few cm far apart)?
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05:37<jm_>maybe it just outputs a mode your monitor can't handle
05:38<jm_>also make sure to not use FB
05:38<pengcheng>the monitor says no input signal. If it's output a signal unsupported it will say that
05:39<pengcheng>Windows recogonise my computer has 2 monitors. One of the DVI slots on the video card is not working
05:39<jm_>maybe nvidia is sending output to that port - you can configure which port to use in xorg.conf - README.txt.gz has info about that
05:39<twb>Sanata: you can do IP over firewire. I don't know about eSATA
05:39<pengcheng>But I only has one monitor
05:40<jm_>it would make sense you mention such stuff together with description of the problem
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05:41<pengcheng>I don't know how to config xorg.conf to let it output to another port. What option is that?
05:41<Sanata>thanks twb, however I need something faster than gigabit ethernet :)
05:41<Sanata>to connect two or more very phisically near machines
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05:42<twb>Sanata: trunk several gigE NICs, then
05:42<twb>Sanata: and use firehose
05:42<Sanata>(I was thinking about a very fast bus for making some homemade cluster - something similar to which is based on gigabit)
05:43<twb>Sanata: that's not so much a peer-to-peer as a backplane, then, surely?
05:43<Sanata>twb, yes, that was option B, thanks :)
05:45<jm_>/usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz explains it
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05:46<amol>jm_ how to recover error buffer i/o error for harddisk showing some logical block
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05:47<jm_>heh there is ata over ethernet, but no idea about the other way
05:47<Sanata>twb, sorry? what do you mean?
05:47<jm_>amol: is that all it says about the error?
05:47<Sanata>yeah jm_ i saw that, unfortunately I need the other way :)
05:48<amol>media error
05:48<jm_>amol: put all of it on a pastebin
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05:49<kfe>hi, seems not work since several days (?) now. But on the wiki page I don't find any clue about that.
05:49<twb>Sanata: a cluster has >>2 machines
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05:49<twb>Sorry, brain fart. s/peer-to-peer/point-to-point/
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05:50<Sanata>yeah twb, obviously, however every good motherboard has >> 2 SATA channels :)
05:50<twb>I suppose so.
05:51<Sanata>if there colud be an easy way to simulate, i.e. an eth1 on a SATA channel, it would be possible to make many fast buses between the motherboards
05:51<Sanata>however I suppose there is not such a thing :|
05:51<twb>well, it would be sata0 not eth1
05:51<twb>I expect
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05:52<twb>Random googling:
05:52<Sanata>well, it could be even foo0 for what I care :D
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05:53<jm_>yeah usb has that too
05:54<Sanata>yeah, already saw that but no answers :(
05:54<jm_>well it gives good reasons why it's not worth doing it
05:54<Sanata>everyone stops realizing that the cable would be very short
05:54<Sanata>btu I don't need a long cable
05:54<twb>I imagine this is because USB and IEEE 1394 are peered, not master-and-slave
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05:56<twb>SATA max length is 1m -- and that I guess that includes INSIDE the case. You would have to be working with very small machines (e.g. blades) for that to work for more than half a dozen nodes, I think...
05:56<jm_>even esata is only 2m
05:56<Sanata>yes, I know
05:57<jm_>then again, think esata 3 and you suddenly have 6Gbps
05:57<twb>I bet a lot of gear isn't actually rated for that speed
05:57<Sanata>I was thinking about something similar to the microwulf linked above
05:57<pengcheng>I tried to config xorg.conf, I added "screen 1" to DEVICE section. Now it gives me a blue screen says no screens found
05:57<twb>Because in all normal deployments the HDD is the bottlneck
05:58<Sanata>yes, of course, but in this case there are no hard disks at all
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05:59<twb>But the manufacturers might cut corners because they assume you're gonna use SATA for disks.
05:59<twb>I'm just sayin.
05:59<jm_>speaking of that - make those damn SSD-s cheaper
05:59*twb remembers he's supposed to be working...
05:59<Sanata>ah, ok
06:00<Sanata>jm_, agreed!
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06:01<Sanata> --> :Q___
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06:08<locsmif>Sanata, ok that was well worth watching, thanks
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06:18<xeon-enouf>Sanata: manufacturers don't want to allow it in consumer grade, they'll lose money .. just think of "who killed the electric car" :-P
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07:17<Ikarus>can someone give me the sha1sum of debian-500-i386-buisnesscard.iso, I can't seem to find it (and I'd hope to avoid a re-download on this starved link
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07:17<fgh>what /dev/ does a CF-memory get?
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07:19<twb>fgh: mtdblock
07:19<twb>fgh: unless it's got onboard wear-leveling, in which case more likely /dev/sda
07:20<fgh> /dev/sdb for some reason
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07:22<Ikarus>uh, sorry
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07:27<flinx>Hi! How to wakeup pc from standby mode? I put pc to standby mode with `acpi --suspend` command
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07:31<Ikarus>flinx: power button, short press
07:32<flinx>Ikarus: but seems like this not working
07:32<twb>It depends on how the BIOS is configured.
07:32<flinx>Ikarus: I think i found how to enable wakeup devices
07:32<twb>You can often wake it using HID or network, too
07:33<flinx>Ikarus: you can list wakeup devices by running `acpitool -w`
07:34<flinx>/say Ikarus: and you can enable wakeup devices by `acpitool -W <devide_num>`
07:34<flinx>Ikarus: and you can enable wakeup devices by `acpitool -W <devide_num>`
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07:42<jm_>i just press space one one box (as set in the BIOS), on another it insists on using power button
07:42<jm_>one one=on one
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07:52<KingKong2009>Hi my sound works with line in but not line out, any solutions??
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08:11<flinx>jm_: thanks
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08:12<jm_>flinx: no worries
08:12<dacorsa>i try to install accelerated driver for radeon x1300
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08:13<dacorsa>but i receive an error of xorg 1.6
08:13<dacorsa>why? how resolve this?
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08:13<jm_>dacorsa: how did you install it?
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08:15<jm_>wait, you're using sidux, right?
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08:18<dacorsa>sidux + smxi
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08:19<dpkg>sidux is probably a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on
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08:22<pkhtut>I would like to know about sudoers
08:22<pkhtut>can someone advise me?
08:22<jm_>did you read the man page?
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08:23<pkhtut>after modifying my sudeors, I cannot use it
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08:24<pkhtut>I'v been asked to enter password
08:24<pkhtut>what password I have to type?
08:24<jm_>user's password
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08:25<pkhtut>when I gave my user password, it was failed
08:25<pkhtut>when I typed my su password, it was also failed
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08:26<pkhtut>then I set up NOPASSWD, then it never ask me a password like in Ubuntu
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08:26<pkhtut>I would like to have sudo as in Ubuntu sudo
08:28<jm_>i don't know what configuration ubuntu uses
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08:28<pkhtut>I don't know too :P
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08:28<pkhtut>but I would like to use sudo with passwd I mean
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08:29<jm_>just remove NOPASSWD
08:30<pkhtut>then I have to type passward with my user password, not root passwd, right?
08:30<pkhtut>I will try again
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08:31<pkhtut>and one more question
08:31<jm_>correct, syntax is: username ALL = /.../cmd1 ...
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08:32<pkhtut>thanks jm_
08:32<pkhtut>and ..
08:32<pkhtut>I saw somebody has some widgets on Desktop
08:32<pkhtut>which shows CPU speeds, clocks and so on
08:33<pkhtut>I would like to know how to set it up
08:33<jm_>maybe ubuntu simply says ALL for commands oto
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08:33<pkhtut>yeah jm_
08:33<jm_>which widget? there are many tools for that
08:33<pkhtut>yeahh I don't know them
08:34<pkhtut>but I saw it in some youtube video
08:34<pkhtut>when they are showing their desktop how beautiful
08:34<pkhtut>It usually on the right side of Desktop
08:35<jm_>well just a guess, maybe conky or gkrellm or whatever
08:35<pkhtut>would you show me howto link?
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08:36<pkhtut>I google image it
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08:36<pkhtut>I saw exactly what I saw
08:36<pkhtut>thanks a lot Jm_ :-)
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08:37<pkhtut>Is there any howto for that?
08:37<jm_>for what?
08:37<pkhtut>for installing and setting up conky or gkrellm
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08:38<pkhtut>well ok I will find it on google
08:38<jm_>well they are in debian, so install them just like any other package
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08:38<pkhtut>yeahhh :)
08:38<pkhtut>oh that's great
08:38<pkhtut>I will try them :)
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08:39<jm_>as for themes - I can only say about gkrellm - one just puts them in ~/.gkrellm2/themes then select it in the GUI with page up/down
08:39<pkhtut>thanks again jm_ :-)
08:39<jm_>or in the config dialog
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08:39<pkhtut>ok .. I get it from you :)
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08:40<hellth_>Hi, how could I change architecture to chroot into debootstraped powerpc dir. When I type chroot ppc/ it gives me "chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error", I've found that there is some system env value with arch, but I dont know how to change it. Some ideas ? Thanks
08:42<themill>hellth_: what architecture is the host system?
08:42<hellth_>amd64, target is powerpc
08:43<hellth_>themill: amd64, target is powerpc
08:43<themill>hellth_: that's not going to work... you can't chroot across completely different architectures like that.
08:44<hellth_>themill: hmmm so what should I do ? I have to debootstrap new installation on CF, so I have to buy a Mac ? :)
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08:44<themill>hellth_: you need something like qemu to emulate the ppc machine on your amd64 machine -- you could probably turn that chroot into a virtual disk image for qemu but you'd probably do better to do a fresh install with qemu
08:47<hellth_>themill: thanks, sound good. But I dont know if it will work. I think I have to use some emdebian-tools to make rootfs.
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09:11<flinx>Hi! Is there a way of autodetect videochip and install proper driver and configure Xorg automatically???
09:12<cahoot>isn't that what's supposed be the default?
09:13<flinx>petemc: I need to auto configure video during debian boot on live os (it can run on different pc's)
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09:14<petemc>again, this should be what happens by default
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11:38<handjob>Good afternoon gentleman. How can i extract multiple files using 7z? The 7z x "*.rar" works to some extent - i don't knew why but it does not create separate folders for separate files. Any suggestions?
11:39<twb>Probably because they're tarbombs
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11:39<twb>For zips, I typically have to do unzip -d foo, to put everything from into ./foo/
11:39<petemc>with unrar, you use e to extract to current dir, and another option to create directpry structure
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11:39<petemc>which can often fail horribly
11:40<twb>ISTR unrar-free has a saner CLI
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11:41<handjob>Somewhat helpfull.
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11:41<bucko>handjob: Don't you have to use X instead of x or something?
11:41<bja>handjob: unrar-free is not what you are looking for, take a look at unrara from the non-free section
11:42<twb>As for me, I heartily recommend tar --lzma
11:42<handjob>bucko, No the 'x' option extracts with full path.
11:43<bucko>Ah. It was e that caught me off guard before. :)
11:43<handjob>Thanks for further suggestion all.
11:43<bucko>Extract or eXtract? Who knew.
11:44<bucko>handjob: Just for I in *.rar; do 7z x "$I"; done
11:46<handjob>bucko, I am not sure am I following. Do you suggest than making something like I="*.rar" and then 7z x "$I" will do the trick?
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11:48<bucko>handjob: Literally
11:48<bucko>for I in *.rar; do 7z x "$I"; done
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11:48<handjob>bucko, Well it does not works for me.
11:48<bucko>Executes 7z x on every rar file, one at a time. So you can put whatever options you like there.
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11:57*arw hello folks
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12:12<althaser>how can I manage initscripts on boot ? sysvconfig is gone :P
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12:13<weasel>rm, mv, ln?
12:13<weasel>tho mostly only mv suffices.
12:14<bucko>Surely there's a tool. Don't they have a default priority and stuff?
12:14<themill>weasel: is that still the case with dependency based init stuff now? (just asking...)
12:14<weasel>the default priority is only listed in the maintainer script.
12:14<weasel>themill: hah.
12:14<weasel>who knows.
12:15<themill>judd versions sysvconfig
12:15<weasel>probably nobody. and then, when it releases, poor sysadmins everwhere will have to deal with the fallout
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12:19<themill>judd versions sysvconfig
12:19<judd>themill: sysvconfig -- etch: 0.70 lenny: 0.81 sid: 0.81
12:19<themill>yay... that's better.
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12:20<themill>except that the information is bollox...
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12:43<tinctorius>lol, netcatting to IRC
12:43<tinctorius>Question: I'm trying to install Debian on a F-S Amilo (laptop), but it's kind of hanging after tasksel. It just says 'please wait'.
12:44<tinctorius>For quite a long time.
12:44<tinctorius>Also, it seems that the proc is running on 800 MHz
12:44<bucko>Switch to a console.
12:45<bucko>Press enter, and see what apt-get can do.
12:45<bucko>I used to install Debian by just killing off tasksel, so... :)
12:45<tinctorius>Any ideasPRIVMSG #debian :There is no such thing as apt-get in the installer
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12:45<bucko>I'm pretty sure once you've got tasksel up, you've got apt too.
12:46<bucko>Used to be true anyway.
12:46<tinctorius>But I must be in the target chroot then, I guess.
12:46<bucko>I don't know.
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12:47<tinctorius>killing tasksel leaves a zombie
12:47<bucko>I just remember I used to hate tasksel, so I'd kill it and apt-get install less more vim-perl xserver-xorg openbox
12:48<tinctorius>gah, irc in netcat is unreadable
12:48<tinctorius>I don't know when I'll receive my first ping request :P
12:48<bucko>When you haven't spoken in ages, luckily.
12:48<bucko>You can just send invalid commands every minute usually.
12:49<tinctorius>I might be kicked by the server then
12:49<bucko>Then pre-emptively ping /it/.
12:50<tinctorius>I heard abodaemon that used empty TCP pkgs as ping
12:50<tinctorius>Very nc friendly ;)
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12:50<tinctorius>tasksel on /target hangs too
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12:51<tinctorius>I guess it's bugged, because it hangs on conversation
12:51<tinctorius>tty4 is littered with stderr output
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12:52<tinctorius>apt is waiting for yes or no, but tasksel won't answer
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12:52<themill>tinctorius: are you using particularly only install media?
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12:53<tinctorius>uhh... meaning what?
12:53<tinctorius>AFAIK it's the normal amd64 installer without any liveCD functionalities
12:53<tinctorius>probably an old one though
12:53<themill>gah... s/only/old/
12:54<tinctorius>Yeah, it could be old ;)\
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12:54<themill>You'll get that behaviour if you are using old media that doesn't have the new archive key in it so packages are marked as untrusted and tasksel falls over
12:54<tinctorius>I should probably run apt-get update/install on target then
12:54<tinctorius>sounds reasonable
12:55<themill>tinctorius: if you can update the debian-archive-keyring package, that might solve your problems
12:55<tinctorius>will apt-get upgrade then
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12:55<tinctorius>but I have to kill this nc session to do so :<
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12:55<themill>good luck...
12:55<tinctorius>Thank you for your help, and if you don't see me anymore, it worked ;)
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13:04<beer>hi. I am trying to settup Xinerama. My Xorg.conf looks like When I try to start x with startx command it crash (signal 11) and the log is here . I am a bid noobish so I dont know what I have done wrong. I am running debian testing with kde and xorg from sid. Hope you have some iadeas what I have done wrong
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13:06<DaFF>hello. i have downloaded debian-503-ia64-netinst.iso today and I cant boot from it
13:06<DaFF>it hangs
13:06<DaFF>the same with debian-503-ia64-businesscard.iso
13:06<cahoot>needed amd64?
13:06<cahoot>or do you own an ithanium?
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13:07<DaFF>Phenom II and also tried on an amd64 3000+
13:07<themill>DaFF: wrong installer.... you want the amd64 one
13:07<beer>then you need amd64
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13:08<beer>I have done the same mistake myself
13:08<quinque>or i386 ;)
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13:08<DaFF>omg im am so a noob^^
13:08<beer>me too
13:09<beer>have some of you looked at my problem? I could also use some help to solve it
13:10<DaFF>i just joined. whats the problem?
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13:11<beer>I am tryiing to settup Xinerama but my X crashes when I starts it. Log: and conf:
13:14<beer>if I remove Option "Xinerama" "true" from serverLayout I can start X but I get oonly something on 1 screen
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13:16<beer>DaFF> i
13:17<beer>DaFF: can you see what I have done wrong?
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13:18<DaFF>what graphiccard do you have?
13:18<beer>radeon 4350
13:19<beer>and it is build arund rv710
13:20<beer>or that is what kde info center is telling me
13:20<bucko>Just one?
13:20<bucko>If so, PCI ID should be the same for all.
13:21<bucko>If you start with one screen, can you enable the other with xrandr? If so, there's a solution for you.
13:21<beer>and, as far I can see, "PCI:6:0:0" "PCI:5:0:0" "PCI:2:0:0" (I have 3)
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13:21<bucko>xrandr --auto might work.
13:22<beer>so I should put Option "xrandr" "auto" under Section "ServerLayout" instead of Option "Xinerama" "true"?
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13:23<bucko>I think it's on by default.
13:24<bucko>Not sure about Xinerama; once it's started on one screen, try xrandr --auto.
13:24<bucko>Worked for me (though my virtual screen size was too small to enable the extra screen at full res. See radeonhd docs for that.)
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13:24<beer>if I remove Option "Xinerama" "true" there is only comming something on screen 1 (ega "PCI:6:0:0" )
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13:25<bucko>And xrandr says what?
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13:25<beer>when I enter xrandr --auto in the konsol nothing happens
13:26<bucko>What about xrandr on its own?
13:26<bucko>Do you get 3 screens?
13:26<beer>one to each grapic cards
13:26<bucko>Look up the docs and see if you can use it to enable them.
13:26<bucko>That'll fix your issue if it works. :)
13:27<beer> is the xrender output
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13:28<bucko>Yeah, I don't know how to use it. Read the radeonhd and xrandr docs.
13:28<beer>looks to me that xrender is not aware of grapic cards 2 and 3
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13:30<blendmaster1024>anybody know about knoppix? i'd like to dit-upgrade my dvd when it finishes downloading, but i don't want to break the bootup scripts
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13:31<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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13:32<blendmaster1024>i know it's not pure debian but since it uses debian packages..... and irc:// isn't answering
13:33<themill>That's a very knoppix-specific question though. Patience, grasshopper.
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13:34<ico>Hi all. I'm trying to trace a kernel quirk on an embedded system. I found a debian bug report stating that the bug exists in linux-image-2.6.18.dfsg.1-22etch2 but was not found in 2.6.18.dfsg-1-22. I have been looking for the source packages of these versions, but no luck. I found 2.6.18.dfsg.1-[12/24/26] but not these version. Are these available somewhere, and if yes, wher do I find those ?
13:36<dpkg>i guess snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See for more information. unmaintained since May 2008
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13:36<themill>ico: ^^ you might be lucky...
13:37<ico>ah great, let me see if I can find it there
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13:39<XTF>Hi. Does anyone know if gmail is blocking emails from the BTS? It seems I'm missing lots of responses.
13:39<ico>Hm, no luck at the snapshots it seems
13:39<ico>too bad
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13:41<lord-carlos>hi,whats the Channel for debian KDE Questions?
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13:48<ico>ok, thanks, I'll drop a mail on the debian-kernel list.
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13:51<mjt>anyone know how to force gdm/gnome to run .xsession[rc]? I use "Xclient" variant in session chooser, but neither .xsession, nor .xsesionrc nor even .gnomerc gets executed.
13:51<mjt>i mean in home dir. in lenny.
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13:52<beer>When X crash and leave those 2 error in the log "(EE) RADEONHD(0): RHDHdmiInit: unknown HDMI output type" and (EE) Screen 1 deleted because of no matching config section.
13:52<beer>I have tried google but with no clea answer
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13:57<adama>my copy and paste buffer is ....broken? No matter what I copy, when I paste it pastes "Drive" which I copied long ago
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13:59<adama>actually it seems to only not copy from Evolution
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14:01<adama>restarted evolution, it works now...
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14:57<cubix7>how do you build a kernel..
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14:57<azeem>cubix7: why do you want to know?
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14:59<cubix7>so i can finish my school project
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15:07<cubix7>how do you build a kernel..
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15:13<dvogel>Why was bitchx removed from lenny?
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15:15<weasel>because it's fucking broken
15:15<weasel>and it should have been removed several years before that
15:15<dvogel>how so? It seemed to work well for me.
15:15<weasel>for starters it cannot connect to a server if it has AAAA records.
15:16<weasel>if you liked bitchx you may find irssi a good client.
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15:17<dvogel>okay, I will look into that one.
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15:19<EmleyMoor>Are there USB joysticks, and do they work in Debian?
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15:21<hdon>is more the default pager in lenny? when i read man pages, it looks like i get more instead of less
15:21<weasel>hdon: did you install less?
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15:22<weasel>on a very very minimal install it won't be
15:22<hdon>weasel: oh, i see. i didn't do the install :(
15:22<hdon>but i have root. what package has less?
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15:24<cubix7>how do you build a kernel..
15:25<weasel>hdon: less.
15:25<weasel>hdon: surprisingly.
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15:27<cubix7>are there docs to build the kernel . i have a class on linux and my project is build a kernel on our debian lab.
15:27<weasel>cubix7: yes, there are.
15:27<weasel>cubix7: no, we will not do your fscking homework for you.
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15:28<cubix7>i have 2.6.x kernel - i google but nothing really ...
15:29<weasel>then google again.
15:29<cubix7>i try kenrel building debian but nothing...
15:29<weasel>then you didn't try.
15:30<weasel>now let's stop this discussion. your homework is yours to do.
15:30<azeem>cubix7: try "kernel" not "kenrel", maybe
15:30<hdon>weasel: ha, thanks
15:30<cubix7>is there official debian build docs... for 2.6 i fining 2.4 but we using squeezy
15:30<azeem>cubix7: your question is off-topic, please find help elsewhere
15:34<mjt>how question about debian may be off-topic in #debian ?
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15:34<azeem>mjt: asking in order to get your homework done is off-topic
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15:34<mjt>btw, google does not understand wildcards like 2.6.x
15:35<mjt>well, it's on-topic but not wise. I think :)
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15:36<Sylvan>Seriously, asking any forum of experts for help on your homework is a major netiquette faux pas.
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15:37<Sylvan>At least when your question is in the form of "this is my task, how do I do it?"
15:37<cubix7>ok.. thx.. i will try other way.. thank u.. i know it now.. google typing issue. thx u.. thnx
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15:40<chiku>which one better to use ? xinetd or openbsd-inetd ?
15:40<rudepeople>I have a fun one... more nvidia! YAY!
15:40<rudepeople>in other distros I have access to the nvidia control pannel... in debian, I don't... is there a package out there that provides it?
15:41<cubix7>how do you remaster a live cd with customer kernel? what could i googlle
15:41<rudepeople>the reason: I have a laptop, on occasion I connect an external display. the control panel allows me to use a hotkey to swap between the internal and external display.
15:41<azeem>cubix7: this is not a google coaching channel, sorr
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15:43<shiznatix>Hello. I just installed a very basic debian and then installed gnome-core. What other packages do I need to get the basic desktop? i can't remember their names
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15:43<cubix7>what do you want to do?
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15:44<shiznatix>just have a very empty gnome desktop
15:44<shiznatix>really what is the login prompt package
15:44<azeem>shiznatix: that'd be gnome-core I guess
15:45<shiznatix>thanks. thats what i was looking for. why don't they have a better name for that one
15:45<azeem>because it's the name?
15:46<azeem>most other display managers are abbreviated in a similar fashion
15:46<azeem>if you just want a working desktop, install the desktop task
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15:52<shiznatix>got it going. good deal
15:54<shiznatix>what is the name of the package to get wireless support? My card worked on Ubuntu without problems so I know it works but its not showing up when i do ifconfig
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15:55<adama>what kind of card is it?
15:56<shiznatix>is not bcm?
15:56<dpkg>[b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. #bcm-users on
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15:57<shiznatix>ok so i should just install b43-fwcutter?
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16:01<cahoot>shiznatix: see the different pciids?
16:02<cahoot>shiznatix: the solution varies depending on the exact model
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16:05<shiznatix>ah i think i found some stuff on the debian wiki, will try to just follow that
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16:07<shiznatix>I hope this is the last question but right now none of the keyboard shortcuts work like alt-tab, ctrl-shift-backspace... etc. How do you enable those?
16:07<xxleet>they work for me...
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16:08<shiznatix>awesome. But, for me they are not working right out of the box with my bare minimum install to get gnome up and running
16:09<xxleet>idk im kinda a linux newbie but i downloaded the arch debian iso and it all works fine
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16:11<xxleet>ok well when you alt tab, do you have more than one window open????
16:11<shiznatix>yes of course
16:11<xxleet>hmm, try changing your them
16:12<shiznatix>atrl-shift-backspace does nothing either. ctrl-alt-arrow is the same story
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16:13<negro-jei>hi all
16:13<xxleet>do you have xfce?
16:14<shiznatix>xxleet, me? no, gnome
16:14<xxleet>oh ok
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16:16<xxleet>see if this helps...
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16:18<xxleet>ya ok i think i know what you have to do
16:19<xxleet>you still there???
16:20<xxleet>ok go to system>preferences>keyboard shortcuts
16:21<xxleet>from their you should be able to edit the shortcuts and enable them
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16:22<bremner>what is the command that is like script, but produces human friendly output, instead of byte for byte copy?
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16:22<Xenguy>bremner: tee ?
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16:23<petemc>i would have thought the output of script was fairly human friendly
16:23<Xenguy>bremner: (not 100% sure if that is what you want)
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16:23<bremner>petemc: well, run e.g. man
16:23<bremner>petemc: ctrl characters, etc...
16:24<messerschmitt>soy el único español? XD
16:24<bremner>unfortunately script is not a good google keyword
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16:25<messerschmitt>task manager in ubuntu? :S
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16:25<Xenguy>bremner: I don't know if 'col -b' would help you, but it might
16:25<messerschmitt>firefox does not run
16:26<bja>messerschmitt: /j #debian-es
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16:26<messerschmitt>thanks bja
16:27<xxleet>anyone know how to play wmv's?
16:27<bremner>petemc: OIC. well that would work. Maybe this memory I have of a different command is induced by drinking too much coffee
16:29<Xenguy>xxleet: have you setup 'Debian Multimedia' ?
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16:30<xxleet>I have no idea
16:30<Xenguy>!tell xxleet about multimedia
16:30<adb>xxleet, do you run debian or ... ?
16:30<xxleet>yes debian arch with gnome
16:31<Xenguy>xxleet: I think you need the debian multimedia codecs
16:31<adb>arch is not debian
16:31<xxleet>whatever im a noob
16:31<Xenguy>arch != debian
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16:32<xxleet>ok when you download the debian iso from the website you get a list of choices one of wich is arch
16:33<petemc>can you show the exact link on the debian site that offers an arch linux iso?
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16:34<xxleet>sure one second
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16:35<xxleet>oh its called multi-arch
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16:37<petemc>yeah thats something else
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16:38<xxleet>ok im on the debian-multimedia website and the have a list of download and multi-arch is not listed, which on should i chose, or does it matter
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16:45<Kuprin>hey debian experts, debian newbie here. Loving the distro so far, but I'm having trouble getting midi working. Where do I put soundfonts if I'm using a hardware synth? /usr/share/sounds/sf2 is empty - do they still go there and I have to create it?
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16:53<Xenguy>!tell Kuprin about midi
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16:53<Xenguy>Kuprin: FWIW
16:53*Xenguy knows nothing about midi...
16:54<Kuprin>Well I've read all the docs there are out there. I've done several manual midi configs in gentoo and I'm shocked it's not working here.
16:54<Kuprin>I'd be angry, but flash 10 worked out of the box on amd64 so I'm too impressed to be mad
16:56<Kuprin>hmm. Looks like there's no /dev/sequencer at all. Kernel issue. Whee.
16:57<adb>ls /dev/ | grep sequen
16:58<adb>get here sequencer and sequencer2 , on 2.6.26-2-686
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17:01<Kuprin>well, I tried to do an alsaconf to see if it would pick it up and actually USE the snd-seq-midi plugin that it already installed
17:01<Kuprin>Now alsamixer won't even start and I have no sound.
17:02<Kuprin>...I run alsaconf a second time and sound works again >_>
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17:03<Kuprin>still no sequencers detected though
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17:10<xeon-enouf>Kuprin: lsmod
17:10<xeon-enouf>Kuprin: install alsa-oss
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17:11<Tekla>hm... i wonder how i could figure out which debian package i need to solve this java error: not found in gnu.gcj.runtime.SystemClassLoader
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17:12<Kuprin>Tekla: if you haven't googled "gnu.gcj.runtime" yet that might help you
17:12<Tekla>i googled the thing and that didn't :)
17:14<Kuprin>also, I have /dev/snd/seq, there are midi sequencers THERE...I'm just not sure how to point debian to them since from what I've found so far this is nonstandard
17:14<themill>Tekla: update-java-alternatives is probably what you need
17:15<Tekla>themill: that didn't help :(
17:16<themill>Tekla: you changed it to sun java and it didn't fix that error?
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17:16<Tekla>i don't have sun java
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17:22<Kuprin>Anyway, I've tracked down the problem. /dev/sequencer doesn't exist. /dev/snd/seq does. Is this supposed to be a symlink, or what am I supposed to do to bring these two in line?
17:23<themill>Tekla: i386? lenny?
17:23<Tekla>amd64 stable
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17:27<Kuprin>xeon-enouf, I've tried your suggestions, /dev/sequencer still doesn't exist, it seems midi is currently in /dev/snd/seq
17:27<Kuprin>but nothing seems to be USING that
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17:33<Squelos>anyone here ?
17:33<Squelos>i would like to burn audio CD for my car. What software can i use ?
17:33<blendmaster1024>i am - but normally you're not supposed to ask such questions
17:33<xeon-enouf>Kuprin: no idea, sorry
17:34<blendmaster1024>oops too late, i meant the "anyone here?" - you can use k3b for kde, or ... i don't know what the official gnome burner is, i always use k3d even though i'm a gnome user
17:34<blendmaster1024>argh, k3b not k3d
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17:36<witte>Squelos: k3b is very nero like, I also use and it is pretty complete
17:36<Kuprin>I also like k3b
17:36<Squelos>is it in the debian repos ?
17:36<witte>Squelos: sure
17:36<themill>Tekla: "aptitude install sun-java6-jdk" (enable non-free first if you haven't already) should do it then.
17:36<Squelos>and, is the old audio standard format the .wav ?
17:37<Squelos>i cant remember :/
17:37<Squelos>fucking old car
17:37<blendmaster1024>Squelos, what format is your music is?
17:37<Tekla>themill: thx .. i'll try
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17:38<themill>Tekla: openjdk-6-jdk should also work fine and is free rather than non-free
17:39<witte>Squelos: i think k3b is intelligent enough to burn music cd's correctly, but it has been a long time since I've burnt audio cd's
17:39<Squelos>blend => i download it in mp3 format, but i can encode them in .wav with k3b i think.
17:39<Squelos>witte, i think so too, but i wanted to be sure :)
17:39<blendmaster1024>witte: cd's means something that cd owns. CDs means multiple of CD
17:39<Tekla>themill: i'll install both :)
17:40<themill>Tekla: you can only use one at a time though. To switch between them, /msg dpkg update-java-alternatives
17:40<blendmaster1024>Squelos, depends, you may need to install the mp3 codec, which may be illegal depending on if you're in the US
17:40<Kuprin>Is there anyway to get pidgin to work without building it from source on Lenny?
17:40<blendmaster1024>Kuprin, what's wrong with the package?
17:40<Kuprin>I can't get any protocols to connect.
17:41<Kuprin>I'm getting SSL errors, connection errors, all kinds of random things. The version is quite outdated.
17:41<Squelos>blendmaster => what ? is mp3 illegal in the US ?
17:41<witte>Kuprin: is it backported?
17:41<blendmaster1024>of course it's outdated
17:41<Tekla>themill: thx .. i just didn't wanna stop the sun versions install since it has already downloaded the packages
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17:42<witte>Kuprin: sorry,§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports
17:42<blendmaster1024>Squelos, non-registered codecs of it are. in order for it to be legal, the distributer of the codec must pay a fee to mp3's creator - which i think is the motion picture expert group?
17:42<Kuprin>looks like 2.5.5 is backported, that's still pretty old.
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17:43<Squelos>oh, royalties for the mp3 format ?
17:43<witte>Kuprin: its 2.5.9, and sid is only 2.6.2
17:44<blendmaster1024>Squelos, you got it
17:45<Squelos>well, i dont live in the US.
17:45<Squelos>all i need to do is encode them into .wav.
17:45<Squelos>but i suppose k3b can do that.
17:45<blendmaster1024>Squelos, not without the codec
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17:47<witte>Squelos: there are certainly codecs available at in case you would need them (e.g. lame)
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17:50<Squelos>i got the multimedia repos
17:51<Kuprin>Does ANYONE have a clue how to get hardware midi synth to work? It's emu10k1, not exactly the most uncommon driver...
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17:52<Kuprin>as for Pidgin, I merged the backport version and msn and aim still don't work, I did get YIM to connect.
17:53<Kuprin>I'm impressed with how easy it is to set up flash 10, but it seems the rest of this distro is a joke. Someone prove me wrong please, I liked it for the first three hours.
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17:54<witte>Kuprin: I don't use midi, it should work, I never had problems with the emu10k1 (although I haven't one anymore)
17:54<Kuprin>okay, msn works
17:54<Kuprin>that one was a typo, AIM still down
17:54<Kuprin>and midi is still a giant pile of @_@
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17:55<Kuprin>okay, pidgin works with 2.5.9.
17:55<witte>I don't know whether aim changed it protocol, but it common enough that it should just work
17:55<Kuprin>apparently it was another typo ><
17:55<Kuprin>so all I needed was the backport. Thanks for that, I'm not used to apt.
17:55<Kuprin>Your package management methods are a bit...strange. I miss portage already. :P
17:56<Kuprin>as for midi, that seems to be the problem: nobody uses it.
17:56<witte>Kuprin: debian is intended to be easy. I understand that this may sound a bit strange for a gentoo masochist
17:56<Kuprin>witte, if this is easy, I'm missing gentoo even more :P
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17:57<Kuprin>it was easy until the word "midi" came up. I like the fact that I could set that up in 5 minutes in gentoo - hell, this is probably going to take me longer than flash did in gentoo
17:57<witte>Kuprin: installing is just apt-get or aptitude. keeping everything updated is simple, compiling is waste of power and tiem
17:58<mjt>guys, how to restore execution of .xsessionrc in gnome - even if Xclient session in gdm is selected it isn't executed...
17:58<Tekla>themill: thank you the openjdk-6-jdk fixed the problem!
17:58<themill>Tekla: excellent!
17:59<witte>Kuprin: did you look here:
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18:00<witte>Kuprin: it seems that modprobe snd-emu10k1-synth should work (this is for sarge, the previous stable)
18:00<Kuprin>witte, meh. Honestly you're right for desktop stuff, and wrong for running CS experiments.
18:00<sander>Anyone know what to do with a buggy flash plugin? The sound aint following as it should.. suddenly going very fast.
18:00<Kuprin>and hmm, trying that.
18:00<Kuprin>witte, that module is already installed
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18:00<Kuprin> lsmod is here
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18:01<Kuprin>My current problem is /dev/sequencer doesn't exist
18:01<Kuprin>I'm starting to think this is less a midi problem and more a udev problem
18:01<witte>Kuprin: well, have a look at the page, and the links in it, i just browsed through it
18:01<sander>It works to interact with the flash plugin. the only problem is the sound.. And when playing videos at youtube.. the flash player stops every 5 second.
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18:02<witte>Kuprin: and when I do experiments (although not a computer scientist), I like my operating system not to be a variable, but a constant :-)
18:03<Kuprin>I know better than to argue fanboyism. Let's just get this working.
18:04<Kuprin>okay, /dev/sequencer has shown up for some reason
18:04<Kuprin>possibly last reboot, possibly when I restarted alsa
18:04<Kuprin>this is good.
18:05<witte>Kuprin: you might want awesfx and asfxload
18:05<Kuprin>already have
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18:05<Kuprin>now it's just telling me no playback device
18:05<Kuprin>I'm guessing it's not properly config'd
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18:06<Kuprin>well, I have midi playing in other apps, playmidi is the only thing broken
18:06<Kuprin>I'm happy with that.
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18:08<Kuprin>so that's fixed, next thing: is there a way to get a "new tab" button on the tab bar in iceweasel like there is in newer versions of firefox? Obviously I can do it if I go dicking around in source code, but I don't want to do that.
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18:08<witte>Kuprin: ctrl-t
18:09<zem>rightclick on toolbar -> customize...
18:09<zem>pull the "new tab" button from there to toolbar
18:09<zem>(it's not on tab bar but it's few pixels away)
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18:13<Xenguy>Squelos: I have used 'serpentine' with success to create audio CDs
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18:13<Xenguy>Squelos: that is that app's main purpose in fact
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18:13<Squelos>yeah, im just after seeing it.
18:14<Squelos>and, what can i use to transform mp3's to .wav ?
18:14<blendmaster1024>Squelos, if you'r etrying to convert to wav, i recommend mpg123. it's in the repos.
18:15<Xenguy>Squelos: serpentine automagically converts mp3 etc. to audio CD format
18:15<Squelos>ok, ill use serpentine then
18:16<Xenguy>Squelos: I think you'll like it - simple, and worked well for me
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18:16<Kuprin>thanks zem, that's not bad I guess
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18:20<Squelos>now i need to get music.
18:20<Squelos>Free music of course :)
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18:22*RainCT wouldn't mind getting some pointers on good free music (now that someone mentions the topic :P)
18:23<Kuprin> has some really nice stuff, all free
18:24*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
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18:41<RJARRRPCGP>Hello, here.
18:41<RJARRRPCGP>I just install Debian 5.0.3 on to an Acer Aspire M5630.
18:42<adama>and then?
18:42<RJARRRPCGP>The video hardware is Intel, but it's looking like direct rendering is off!
18:42<RJARRRPCGP>This shall not occur with Intel, AFAIK.
18:43<Kuprin>anyway, thanks for the help. This distro isn't too bad. :)
18:43<witte>RJARRRPCGP: are you sure the intel driver is loaded
18:43<RJARRRPCGP>I dunno how to check that.
18:43*RJARRRPCGP thinking.
18:43<RJARRRPCGP>I thought it would have been loaded, because it's not proprietary like Nvidia is.
18:44<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
18:44<blendmaster1024>took me a while to learn
18:44<witte>RJARRRPCGP: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i intel
18:45<themill>!uuoc witte
18:45*dpkg hands witte the "useless use of cat" award
18:45<witte>RJARRRPCGP: or just grep -i intel /var/log/Xorg.0.log
18:45<witte>themill: yeah, i know :P
18:45<blendmaster1024>could have been 'grep -i intel /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
18:46<blendmaster1024>forgive me for not reading :P
18:46<witte>blendmaster1024: a bit faster next time ;-)
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18:46<RJARRRPCGP>FYI, it looks like it's enabled there, just that "Hardware Info" reported direct rendering being "No" .
18:47<RJARRRPCGP>And "glxinfo" just resulted in the dreaded "Command not found" error message. :(
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18:47<blendmaster1024>RJARRRPCGP, you may need to be root to have glxinfo in your path. try "whereis glxinfo"
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18:49<blendmaster1024>means you actually do not have it. do "apt-cache search glxinfo"
18:50<RJARRRPCGP>And Debian has a tendency to claim a package has no installation candidate. :(
18:51<RJARRRPCGP>You know, this one: E Package has no installation candidate.
18:51<witte>RJARRRPCGP: which package did you try to install? mesa-utils?
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18:52<RJARRRPCGP>I was just giving information about when I used Debian 5.0 in the past, apt loved to tell me a package has no installation candidate.
18:52<blendmaster1024>RJARRRPCGP, do "apt-cache search glxinfo" already
18:53<RJARRRPCGP>Thus, apt may reply with that, even when the package is fine.
18:53<RJARRRPCGP>mesa-utils - Miscellaneous Mesa GL utilities .
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18:54<blendmaster1024>no! don't use mesa-utils! that's for mesagl, the software opengl renderer
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18:55<RJARRRPCGP>OK, it says "Direct Rendering: Yes" Hooray!
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18:55<RJARRRPCGP>Just didn't want to find out later that it failed to load the Intel "Bearlake" graphics support.
18:56<blendmaster1024>RJARRRPCGP, you are aware that the intel drivers suck, right?
18:56<RJARRRPCGP>When I installed mesa-utils, that gave me glxinfo.
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18:56<RJARRRPCGP>Shouldn't suck like ATI does.
18:57<blendmaster1024>no not quite as much, but forget using blender
18:57<RJARRRPCGP>Because Intel, unlike ATI, wasn't reluctant to give the specs.
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18:58<RJARRRPCGP>As long as OpenGL is working and Mupen64, with RiceVideo works fine, I'm good ;)
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18:58<RJARRRPCGP>Because the graphics looked fine when using Vista.
18:59<RJARRRPCGP>Thus, it should be a long way from the i810 and i815.
18:59<RJARRRPCGP>Now, the i815, sadly did have problems with alpha blending.
19:00<Xenguy>folks, my desktop PC is an AMD/sempra -- show I be using the '686' kernel?
19:00<RJARRRPCGP>At least, IMO.
19:01*Xenguy looks for a 2nd opinion...
19:01<RJARRRPCGP>I decided to try Debian on this PC, because, I have been hearing good things about the Intel support.
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19:02<RJARRRPCGP>While Nvidia can be annoying, because Nvidia refused to make the drivers open source. :(
19:02<RJARRRPCGP>I like Nvidia for everything else.
19:02<witte>RJARRRPCGP: I don't have any problem with intel drivers, but my graphic requirements are pretty low, so maybe i'm not a good reference
19:03<Xenguy>RJARRRPCGP: with lenny's release, I'm using the free 'nv' driver
19:03<RJARRRPCGP>I use 3D rendering.
19:03<Xenguy>that might not work for you then
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19:03<RJARRRPCGP>And if I have to, I will go to my other rigs with Nvidia.
19:04<RJARRRPCGP>I have the following: .
19:04<RJARRRPCGP>Asus A7N8X-X with GeForce 7600 GS 256 MB AGP.
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19:05<RJARRRPCGP>Asus P5QL Pro with PCI-E and GeForce 9500 GT 512MB DDR2.
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19:06<blendmaster1024>i use nvidia and i love it, i don't have the stupid mentality that my graphica card driver should be open source. it just has to be good, and nvidia is. after all, who is going to want to recode a good video driver?
19:08<RJARRRPCGP>It's just because of the non-open source decision, that it can become difficult to configure Nvidia.
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19:09<Kuprin>back with more problems. I set up nvidia drivers and after a few fights it worked, but now my usb keyboard throws a pile of device id errors on boot and doesn't work
19:10<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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19:11<Kuprin>I honestly don't think it's the fault of nvidia-drivers but if that's what you want to say, so be it.
19:12<Kuprin>I still get a huge amount of "unable to enumerate USB device on port 4" errors, which is my USB keyboard
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19:13<witte>Kuprin: ah, ok, but does everything work, and do the errors remain there after the boot is completed?
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19:13<Kuprin>the keyboard does not work and yes the errors remain
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19:15<witte>Kuprin:, but in that case it is harmless, it seems to be a kernel issue, and indeed not related to nvidia
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19:16<Kuprin>also different kernel.
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19:16<RJARRRPCGP>The 3D GFX are fine.
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19:17<RJARRRPCGP>Mupen 64 crashing right when you tell Mupen64 to load a ROM, is because libstdc++5 is required and isn't installed.
19:18<RJARRRPCGP>Then it was fine after that.
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19:18<RJARRRPCGP>Looking good.
19:18<RJARRRPCGP>I solved the GFX and audio init problems.
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19:19<RJARRRPCGP>The problem with no audio, was because, one of the plugins was being stupid.
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19:20<RJARRRPCGP>In fact, Debian appears to not have the stupid write combining being disabled bug, which Jaunty Jackalope has. :(
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19:21<RJARRRPCGP>I checked for that with cat /proc/mtrr and it showed write combining, hooray!
19:21<Kuprin>well, turns out it's a few issues packed together, one of which is bios
19:21<Kuprin>but I fixed at least some of that
19:21<Kuprin>now my mouse is screwed up ><
19:22<RJARRRPCGP>This appears to be the cause of the video always pausing and unpausing with YouTube videos in fullscreen.
19:22<Kuprin>found the problem, every mouse click is getting taken as a doubleclick now
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19:22<Kuprin>obviously an xorg.conf problem
19:22<Kuprin>any insight?
19:23<RJARRRPCGP>The problem with YouTube in fullscreen appears that it's not xorg related.
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19:23<RJARRRPCGP>(At least xorg.conf) .
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19:27<themill>Well, see and
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19:29*RainCT wonders yet again why LaTeX pulls in all -doc packages by default, especially considering that they are hundreds of MB big
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19:30<themill>RainCT: turning off recommends is a good plan when you're installing the current texlive package
19:31<witte>RainCT: and don't install texlive-full ;-)
19:31<RainCT>witte: hey, I'm not *that* insane! ;)
19:33<RainCT>that thing has more dependencies than gnome-desktop-environment :P
19:33<themill>!dbugs 333610
19:33<dpkg>#333610:I[tetex-bin] Excessive Recommends (); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:48:05 UTC []
19:34<witte>RainCT: I think a texlive-normal-use would be welcome
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19:36<RainCT>witte: yeah, I don't know enough about TeX for that though :)
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19:37<themill>something like "aptitude install ~n-doc: texlive texlive-doc-base" would be sufficient....
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19:39<witte>RainCT: i just install base, and do apt-file search "latex package name that is not found" whenever needed, and install it when i need it
19:39<themill>sounds familiar!
19:40<RainCT>Same here :).
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19:40<RainCT>* ~n-doc that works? cool
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19:41<RainCT>sane defaults are better though :)
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19:43<franclin>bom dia
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19:44<galega>bom dia
19:44*xkastx hello every body!!
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19:45<auzinete>boa noite
19:45<adb>??? ??
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19:45<xkastx>someone has installed grub2 on lenny? Oo!?
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19:46<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:46<edenilton>boa noite
19:47<FRANCISCO>ranciaco cero saber nutisa devoce
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19:57<chiku>does initrd.gz is a gzipped file? why memtest.gz not work with pxe? it woks after I gunzip it?
19:58<GhostlyDeath>You can't boot compressed data
19:58<GhostlyDeath>it makes no sense to the CPU
19:58<chiku>what about initrd.gz ?
19:58<GhostlyDeath>It must be decompressed before booting
19:58<GhostlyDeath>When you boot linux it usually says "Decompressing the kernel..."
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19:58<GhostlyDeath>There's just code to decompress that gz into some memory spot
19:58<GhostlyDeath>then it boots whatever in there
19:59<chiku>so initrd.gz isn't normal gz file?
20:00<chiku>is it possible (easy) to make memtest.bin into memtest.gz like initrd.gz ?
20:03<witte>chiku: there is a package memtest86+
20:03<GhostlyDeath>chiku: initrd is a gz
20:03<witte>chiku: apt-cache show memtest86+ (and apt-cache show memtest86)
20:03<GhostlyDeath>it should decompress into initrd.img or so
20:03<chiku>witte, I want to use with PXE
20:03<GhostlyDeath>It can't be compressed for PXE
20:04<witte>chiku: what's pxe?
20:04<GhostlyDeath>Unless you use a boot loader that decompresses it and loads it
20:04<GhostlyDeath>witte: Network Booting
20:04<chiku>ok so better ti use uncompressed memtest
20:04<witte>ah, ok, seems difficult in that case
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20:05<chiku>just wonder why it's not working as .gz gile
20:05<GhostlyDeath>If your system supports such things, try a floppy or cdrom
20:05<chiku>I want to learn PXE
20:05<chiku>not I want to use it
20:05<GhostlyDeath>a gz is a compressed file
20:06<GhostlyDeath>Computers cannot use compressed binary code
20:06<GhostlyDeath>it is meaning-less to it
20:06<GhostlyDeath>It would be like running a powerpc raw binary on an x86
20:06<GhostlyDeath>just won't work
20:06<GhostlyDeath>In order for the computer to actually use it, it needs to understand it
20:07<GhostlyDeath>if the Linux you use is compressed then the boot loader must decompress it before it can boot into it
20:07<chiku>can I use windows or DOS exe?
20:08<rektide>theres no learning there is only using
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20:08<bja>chiku: what exactly do you want to do?
20:08<bja>Do you want to PXE boot a pc?
20:08<chiku>test, learn PXE
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20:08<chiku>so check many cases
20:08<chiku>and understand
20:09<bja>Did you ask on #debian-fr?
20:09<chiku>they all sleeping
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20:09<adb>chiku, /msg dpkg enter
20:10<GhostlyDeath>chiku: PXE won't understand DOS or Windows EXEs
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20:10<bja>dpkg: tell chiku about PXE
20:11<bja>chiku: you will also need tftp server and dhcp to assign ips
20:11<chiku>I already succed
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20:11<bja>!wink chiku
20:11<GhostlyDeath>It would be good to learn how the computer actually booted and to make some simple operating systems
20:12<chiku>as I said, I just learn more not just netinstall
20:12<chiku>I added memtst, will try other OS like xBSD
20:13<bja>chiku: the same process aplies to BSD and Linux. you could also have a windows image on your TFTP server but the details of that one i don't know
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20:15<chiku>and while I added memtest, I notice I can't boot compressed memtest, but since initrd.gz is compressed file too. the question comes up
20:15<chiku>now I know the answer
20:15<chiku>thx GhostlyDeath
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20:16<bja>chiku: next time a simpler question can get you the answer faster
20:16<chiku>It's not really I want to do something. It's more I want to understand something
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20:17<GhostlyDeath>In order to understand something you need to do it
20:17<chiku>I did it
20:17<GhostlyDeath>or read a book on it
20:17<adb>or google
20:18<GhostlyDeath>or Wikipedia (if you trust them)
20:18<GhostlyDeath>then there's always osdev
20:18<chiku>are you agreed with me this question is not common, beside how to install debian with netinstall
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20:19<GhostlyDeath>People here could help you probably get Debian installed over the network with PXE
20:19<chiku>I know how to do this :)
20:19<bja>chiku: your question is common, but the syntaxis and the way you asked is not precisely English
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20:19<fish1209>.net 6697
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20:19<chiku>last time
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20:20<chiku>I asked about if 503 ISO images were released. People tell me to apt-get update
20:20<bja>chiku: although you are writing in English is obvious that you are french, you are using french syntax which is not precisely easy for an anglophone to figure out
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20:21<chiku>that's not what I want to know
20:21<GhostlyDeath>chiku: might be on the Debian Site
20:21<chiku>I already downloaded it
20:21<GhostlyDeath>assuming you use i386,
20:21<chiku>today or yesterday
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20:22<bja>chiku: if you read on you will answer that question for yourself
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20:24<chiku>my sub question is why ISO images were not released yet. 5.0.3 announce was out since 3 days
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20:24<bja>chiku: have you taken a look down at, guess not
20:25<GhostlyDeath>chiku: I linked you to images
20:25<GhostlyDeath>31 whopping CDs
20:25<GhostlyDeath>unless you prefer DVDs
20:25<bja>GhostlyDeath: i believe chiku writes a lot and reads a little
20:25<chiku><chiku> I already downloaded it
20:27<GhostlyDeath>chiku: ISO Images were released when 5.0.3 was released
20:27<chiku>GhostlyDeath, I know
20:27<GhostlyDeath>If you already downloaded them then why are you asking why they weren't released?
20:27<chiku>I already downloaded it since today or yesterday
20:28<GhostlyDeath>It would be asking "Why isn't my car started?" when it was actually started
20:28<chiku>this question was 2 days ago
20:28<bja>GhostlyDeath: don't waste your time, i'm sure you have better things to do
20:28<chiku>the question is done
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20:28<kokurya-kai>you asked this question 4 minutes ago....
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20:30<chiku>and I said I already downloaded it today or yesterday
20:30<chiku>it was a question 32-3days ago here
20:30<chiku>i was a example
20:31<adb>or troll here .. heh
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20:31<chiku>which troll part I talked?
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20:32<GhostlyDeath>Asking a question you already have an answer to, then asking it again, then saying you've already answered the question, over and over again
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20:33<chiku>not asking again. just example how people replied
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20:34<netskillsii>hello, can anyone recommend a wireless pcmcia card that supports monitor mode on debian lenny. I am currently trying to use kismet to perform packet capture but need this type of device.
20:36<GhostlyDeath>netskillsii: maybe a broadcom one
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20:40<netskillsii>Have you used a broadcom? I currently have a built in Broadcom but very limited does not support monitoring mode.
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20:41<netskillsii>GhostlyDeath - Do you have a model for this device? Thank for the help
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20:42<GhostlyDeath>netskillsii: Nope
20:42<GhostlyDeath>netskillsii: Be sure the network interface is down before attempting to change modes
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20:47<netskillsii>Yeah, my kernel driver does not have the option to enable monitoring mode for my wireless card. Sucks, have you ever tried Kismet?
20:50<adb>what's the use of 'monitoring mode' ?
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20:54<GhostlyDeath>adb: Monitoring network traffic, and hacking
20:55<GhostlyDeath>It's mostly a debugging feature to help test the wireless card
20:55<adb>oh, thanks
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20:56<veni>hallo leute
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21:03<netskillsii>adb - Yes, monitoring mode, almost the same as promiscuous mode, this allows you to listen for packets without any for type of association with the access point.
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21:08<adb> cool, netskillsii thx
21:08<Roco3D>hey guys
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21:09<Roco3D>where can i talk about making deb packages??
21:10<Roco3D>i've built successfully all gnome 2.27.92 sources and i want to make debs packages from them
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21:14<adb> /msg dpkg mentors
21:16<dpkg>rumour has it, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. #debian-mentors on
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21:42<K|NgGh0sT>Anyone know why deb lenny main non-free contrib would give me 404's on contrib and non-free when its the same setup as deb lenny main non-free contrib and that works?
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21:53<Roco3D>i can't see debian mirror on
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21:54<Roco3D>perhaps you must add /linux/debian/ to the url
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21:59<RedMaw>hey, can any one help me get my wireless card working with lenny? I've already gone through the wiki and it still doesn't work
22:00<gsimmons>RedMaw: What wireless device do you have?
22:00<RedMaw>intel 5300
22:01<gsimmons>RedMaw: Have you read ?
22:01<RedMaw>just finished that, which is why I'm here
22:03<gsimmons>RedMaw: You will need to explain specifically what is not working for you.
22:03<gsimmons>dpkg: tell RedMaw -about doesn't work
22:05<RedMaw>nvm I got to work
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22:06<RedMaw>the directions here ( are either very unclear of wrong
22:07<RedMaw>either way it works now; thanks for trying to help gsimmons
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22:29<iyunkateus>Is there a way to turn off the automatic permissions without a password thing?
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22:32<GhostlyDeath>iyunkateus: automatic permissions?
22:32<GhostlyDeath>iyunkateus: loging in? SSH?
22:33<iyunkateus>GhostlyDeath, I just clicked through a thing that makes it not ask me for the root password anymore
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22:33<GhostlyDeath>iyunkateus: in GNOME?
22:33<iyunkateus>GhostlyDeath, Yes
22:34<home>Can anyone help me get kde working on my imac after i install i get a blank screen?
22:35<iyunkateus>dang, have to go
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22:48<blue32>hello,what su command is the same as sudo,using the users pass instead of roots?
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23:02<darkhacker>sens?n kalle?
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23:03<erick_>en este chat nadie habla el español
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23:12<ichdasich>darkhacker: the comman you're looking for is /quit
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23:23<Woet>I ordered a server at SoftLayer and apparently they installed the AMD 64 edition of Debian on an Intel Xeon processor
23:23<Woet>Will this give any problems?
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23:28<dpkg>hello, d3co
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23:31<chealer>Woet: I don't see why it would.
23:31<Woet>hmm, okay
23:32<Woet>i do think apt-get has less packages
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23:32<Bob_Dole>woet...AMD64 =EM64T. It's just who made the processor.
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