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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-09-12

---Logopened Sat Sep 12 00:00:44 2009
00:01<eskipe-debian>alguem sabe se tem comunidade em brasilia do debian
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00:07<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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00:31<sney>my fiancee just asked me, "do you think I could dual boot debian on my desktop?"
00:31<sney>she's a keeper.
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00:36<ml|>!win sney
00:36<dpkg>Congratulations, sney! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
00:36*sney feeds it to the neighborhood cats
00:37<ml|>i thinks that's better than a trip to baghad
00:38<ml|>oh, wait you could have used that trip for your honeymoon ;)
00:39<sney>she doesn't like hot places. we'll probably go to england or sweden or something
00:40<ml|>well, where you go enjoy :)
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01:02<twb>The one-big-partition (ext3) on my EeePC is 15% fragmented. Typically I see about 3% for ext3, and ignore it. 15% is enough to make me look for an online (or at least in-place) defragmentation utility. Does one exist?
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01:12<twb>Hmm, I'm actually only using ext2, so I guess I could safely use e2defrag.
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01:21<dpkg>hello, d3co
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01:34<Wunnymush>where can i find headerfiles for dvdread?
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01:35<cahoot> libdvdread-dev (I'd guess)
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01:35<Wunnymush>but i have installed libdvdread-dev
01:36<twb>apt-file search -x dvdread.*h
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01:37<Wunnymush>didn't work
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01:39<twb>Then you're doing it wrong, because it WFM
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01:40<twb>$ apt-file search -x dvdread.*h$ | cut -d: -f1 | uniq
01:41<Wunnymush>ok, i would try that
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01:53<tahjsouljah>im new here
01:53<tahjsouljah>hi to everybody
01:54<tahjsouljah>anyone from philippines?
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02:48<wozza_>oh man xserver-xorg on experimental locks input with my nvidia card. tried loads of combos - manually downgraded to lenny
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03:10<hdon>what commandline tools exist on lenny for resizing a partition and filesystem?
03:10<hdon>fdisk is fine is that's what i get for resizing the partition
03:10<hdon>but i imagine there's probably a simpler command to resize both
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03:22<EmleyMoor>What (if anything) is a good way to join together two PDF files?
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03:24<hdon>(pdf2ps file1 && pdf2ps file2) | ps2pdf ?
03:24*hdon guesses
03:28<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... blank - wil try something else
03:29<kop>EmleyMoor: I've got something installed around here....
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03:31<kop>EmleyMoor: There's pdfjoin in the pdfjam package, but I was thinking of something else....
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03:32<EmleyMoor>kop: Will investigate that
03:32<EmleyMoor>Going via PS has "smugded" my text
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03:37<EmleyMoor>pdfjoin does exactly what it says on the tin :-)
03:38<kop>EmleyMoor: I was thinking of the pdftk package, which has gobs of handy stuff.
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03:39<kop>EmleyMoor: Yeah, pdftk will concatenate them too....
03:40<freak>how to hack at backtrack 4.?
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03:41<EmleyMoor>kop: If I could find a tool for turning paper forms into PDF forms I'd be really happy
03:41<azeem>good luck
03:41<EmleyMoor>Meanwhile, how do I print doubol-sided (long-edge) using cups lpr?
03:41<kop>I keep thinking I'll try out an ocr engine, but never get around to it.
03:42<kop>EmleyMoor: My guess: make a new cups printer with the right configuration (tray, double sided, etc) and print to that.
03:43<EmleyMoor>Ah, found it
03:43<kop>EmleyMoor: ?
03:43<EmleyMoor>-o sides=two-sided-long-edge
03:44<kop>EmleyMoor: How did you figure that out?
03:44<EmleyMoor>In the cups docs
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04:22<raboof>running testing, my /etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty. I guess things are autodetected, which is great.
04:22<Lethalman>raboof, yes
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04:22<Lethalman>you can always do X -configure to create a xorg.conf and tweak options
04:23<raboof>however, I'd like to add the option 'Option "GARTSize" "64"'. When I just put that in the file, X won't start anymore, giving me a 'no screens found' error when parsing the configfile
04:23<raboof>i'll try that
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04:28<raboof>Lethalman: worked like a charm, thanks
04:28<raboof>(funny that 'X -configure' will refuse to work when X is already running, even though it doesn't (visibly) start X)
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04:29<ma>what is the stable version of lenny now
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04:29<ma>5.02. or 5.03
04:31<gsimmons>ma: 5.0.3 is the most recent point release.
04:31<ma>oh that was the one done on the 5 of september
04:31<ma>so it is the most stable
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05:46<shiznatix>hello. I have an empty, unallocated partition that I want to merge with my root partition. How do I go about doing that? I tried using gparted but I can't see how to just merge empty space with the root partition
05:50<s4br3>Hi, I have a Debian Sid system w Radeon 4870. fglrx 3D does not work very well, with warsow flickering like a stroboscope in white. My glxinfo, xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log can be seen atr Thanks for any help!!!
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05:52<tofix>hello, i'm having trouble with postfix configured as a greylisting proxy, all the mail that goes out from the box have their sender and receiver reversed ?? does anyone know what did i mix ?
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05:55<Gold24>tofix: what do you use for the greylisting?
05:56<tofix>Gold24, postgrey
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05:56<Gold24>shiznatix: well you can drag the end of the root partition into the empty space
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05:56<Gold24>(with gparted)
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05:57<Gold24>tofix: that sounds quite odd i've never had any issues with postgrey interfering in that way
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05:59<shiznatix>Gold24, How do you mean? I can't change it without unmounting the partition but i can't unmount it if i am running debian at the same time
06:00<slush>shiznatix: you cant modify a partition that is in use, use a live cd for such things
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06:01<teamon>i try to install drivers for radeon x800
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06:01<teamon>i installed drivers from ati
06:02<teamon>but xbmc still say that 3d in not installed
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06:04<stranger>I have a problem trying to get ssh tunneling to work. I keep getting this error: H-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Protocol mismatch.
06:04<Gold24>shiznatix: ah yeah good point
06:04<Gold24>shiznatix: use live cd
06:05<tofix>Gold24,there is a lot of domain names pointing to this mail server, and i enter all of them in the transport table ( smtp:, where is the final smtp server with and MDA), and i also enter all these domain names in relay_recipients ( x) .... In the log i see that when they are greylisted they in the good state, but once they pass i get a 550 from the next server telling that the receiver doesn't exist (of course cause i
06:05<tofix>t's actually the sender )
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06:08<tofix>stranger : give your command line
06:09<stranger>tofix: ssh username@host -L 2000:localhost:22 -N
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06:09<stranger>tofix: and in firefox I use localhost and port 2000
06:10<tofix>stranger : do you have a squid that listen in localhost ? or something that can understand html
06:11<slush>stranger: both sides need to use the same protocol (either 1 or 2), see for example `man sshd_config`
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06:13<tofix>stranger, i mean on the host where you enter by port 22 it should be on the localhost a squid listening on port 22 (it's quite strange ) i think you should review your command line
06:14<tofix>strange : for example i do : ssh -L12345: , for tunneling from my local port 12345 to the port 3128 (squid listening on ) of
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06:15<stranger>tofix: I do have anything installed in my notebook. I am trying to connect the the ssh server in my hosting server to use ass tunnel
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06:17<tofix>stranger : what do you think that should happened , you deliver html code to a sshd server ... maybe i don't understand your goal
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06:18<stranger>tofix: what is the 12345 in your command line?
06:19<stranger>tofix: I am trying to get around my firewall using my host server
06:19<tofix>stranger, the entry of my tunnel , what i write on my firefox proxy table
06:20<tofix>stranger : but where is your host ? you told me everything is on your notebook ...
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06:21<stranger>tofix: oops that was meant to be 'nothing is in my notebook' , sorry
06:21<tofix>stranger, sorry , i'm not so fluent in english
06:22<tofix>stranger, but i guess that you should try my command line and simply had a squid on the host
06:22<tofix>stranger, you do not need anything locally
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06:24<stranger>tofix: All I want is to have the html I request to be delivered through the ssh tunnel from my host server to my notebook
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06:25<tofix>stranger, same case than mine , you need to be proxy.
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06:27<u83r>since debian does not have an official forums
06:28<u83r>and the forums hate me and ask questiosn that have no answer
06:28<u83r>i need some help with debian
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06:28<u83r>it has no wireless, no ethernet, and also is reading my mic for some reason and also is blasting ti even though i turn the volume off
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06:29<gsimmons>u83r: What system do you have?
06:30<u83r>I have an Asus G50Vt-X5 laptop
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06:30<u83r>I've never had this issues with the only other linux distro i've used
06:30<u83r>which was Ubuntu 7.1+
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06:33<V4HID>I have a big problem in knoppix (debian)
06:33<V4HID>Who can help me ?
06:33<gsimmons>u83r: Can you provide some more details about your hardware? The output from "lspci -n" (sent to a paste site) would assist greatly.
06:34<u83r>i can reboot into it
06:34<u83r>as it's on my only machine
06:34<u83r>which is the one i'm on right now
06:34<u83r>i'm on windows 7 since i was using it for my gaming os
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06:34<u83r>i'll try to get it to you as soon as i can reboot back into 7 and tell you it
06:34<u83r>i'll put it here
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06:34<u83r>be back as soon as i can
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06:38<gsimmons>u83r: Please use a pastebin. Providing only the paste's URL to the channel is sufficient.
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06:45<u83r>i'm back and it says "bash not found"
06:46<u83r>aka telling me the program that allows the command isn't working
06:46<u83r>i even checked it on teh desktop
06:46<u83r>and it tells me it's teh same
06:47<u83r>as in the command i'm supposed to type
06:47<RvGaTe>am i the only one that finds it weird that you cannot select an european timezone whenever you select that you're from america in one of the previous steps during the setup?
06:48<u83r>not really...
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06:48<u83r>since it's asking you whate area you're at
06:48<bucko>u83r: /sbin/lspci probably.
06:48<mykhi>hello, im having difficulties creating partition over 2TB, has anyone ever tried it?
06:48<u83r>teh command?
06:49<bucko>Oh, it's not a default package.
06:49<u83r>i was told to ype lspci -n :/
06:49<gsimmons>u83r: OK. This may be due to the pciutils package (which provides lspci) not being installed, due to your current problems.
06:49<u83r>isn't that installed by default?
06:49<u83r>when you select
06:49<bucko>I don't have it on my router so I guess not.
06:49<u83r>Web Server, Laptop, Window Manager....
06:49<u83r>core files
06:49<u83r>and maybe something else...
06:50<bucko>Mindyou, I think I installed my router with debootstrap, so...
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06:50<u83r>i got i installed my router with some random program
06:50<bucko>It boots from a Compact Flash card which I plugged into my monitor and installed Debian to. :)
06:51<u83r>ah ok i just used the amd64 dvd
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06:52<u83r>i was trying to see how to register my nickname
06:53<bucko>Anyway, you'll want those PCI IDs. If you have the CDROM or whatever, you can try aptitude install pciutils
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06:53<u83r>i'll go do it after i reboot into debian again
06:53<bucko>Good luck.
06:54<bucko>(Or apt-get install pciutils)
06:54<u83r>i always though picutils since i know what tehy do wereinstalled when you select laptop is it b/c of teh amd64 architecture?
06:55<bucko>I don't know. I don't even know why I'm here; I'm no Debian pro. ^.^
06:55<gsimmons>u83r: WRT Debian Lenny, pciutils is installed as part of the standard task.
06:56<u83r>i'm not either first time installing debian
06:56<u83r>hmm strange then...
06:56<u83r>i kept teh defaults they had plus added web server
06:56<u83r>they had everything selected for me except the servers
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06:56<u83r>so i don't knwo why it wouldn't install it oh well i'll reboot in a few min
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06:57<bucko>Only thing I can think of is you have the small install disc and it tried to download. Which it couldn't due to no network.
06:58<u83r>i did teh full dvd which i thought was it i got it from...
06:58<u83r>here i'll get teh link
06:58<locsmif>IW in debian unstable always hangs when clicking "print" on a table...the dialogue appears, but without buttons ...and freezes IW completely until I have to terminate it.
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06:58<locsmif>Does anyboy have the same problem?
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06:58<locsmif>"Print preview" works, however
06:58<u83r>got it from there
06:59<u83r>and chose teh dvd-1.iso
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06:59<stranger>what is the status about debian testing now. I used to run sarge and lenny whe
06:59<u83r>i imagine that all are teh same but different names...
06:59<bucko>Wow, up to 5 DVDs now.
06:59<stranger>when they were in testingfore be
06:59<u83r>so it takes all 5?!
06:59<bucko>The discs 2-5 just have optional packages I think.
06:59<QQ_ghost>it can take 5, if you install everything
07:00<stranger>is the new testing 'stable' enough now
07:00<u83r>so which one is the main files?
07:00<QQ_ghost>disk 1
07:00<u83r>i thought the dvd1 was teh main stuff....
07:00<bucko>DVD 1.
07:00<u83r>ok i got that one
07:00<u83r>so hmm i don't get why the core packages weren't on it then
07:00<QQ_ghost>I did my install from amd64 dvd1
07:00<bucko>They are. Just try installing them. lspci will be so helpful. :)
07:01<u83r>i know
07:01<u83r>i get to reboot and see if my dvd1 has it
07:01<u83r>if not
07:01<u83r>i get to have some fun :/
07:01<u83r>trying to figure out which one suppposedly has it
07:01<bucko>If the disc reads in Windows (I think it should?)
07:02<bucko>You could try looking for it on the DVD to make sure it's actually there.
07:02<QQ_ghost>i'm looking now to see if dvd 1 has lspci
07:02<bucko>But I don't see why it wouldn't be.
07:02<u83r>no clue
07:02<u83r>i'll blame it on the Asus
07:02<u83r>all it's done is give me hell since day one
07:02<bucko>QQ_ghost: It's pciutils I think.
07:02<u83r>3rd one so far and i've only had the original one since feb.
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07:03<bucko>I still haven't gotten half the stuff on my laptop running in Debian yet.
07:03<u83r>wonderful to know
07:04<bucko>Mostly it's inconsequential things like VGA hardware acceleration and tablet input support, though.
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07:04<u83r>input support
07:04<bucko>It's enough that Windows is preferable.
07:04<u83r>is very important :/
07:04<abrotman>!cd contents
07:04<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk.
07:04<gsimmons>u83r: pciutils is contained on the first 5.0.3 AMD64 binary DVD. Please install this package and provide us with the PCI IDs of your system.
07:04<bucko>I have a nipple mouse as well as a tablet screen, so it's not so important.
07:04<QQ_ghost>pciutils (contains lspci) is on disk 1
07:05<u83r>ok i'll get over there as soon as i can
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07:05<u83r>it's just the reboot times are almost deadly lately
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07:05<bucko>I'm going to give Debian another happyfuntime on my laptop.
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07:06<QQ_ghost>I am using debian for the first time in 5 years
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07:21<beer>I am trying to get my screens to work, but I have apperently made a mistake in my xorg.conf ( I can only resive output on dvi-0. Can someone help me to find the mistake?
07:22<QQ_ghost>is monitor2 right of or left of another monitor?
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07:24<beer>at this moment it stand right of the monitor
07:25<beer>but I can not get any output on it with this settings
07:25<QQ_ghost>so you have 3 monitors?
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07:27<QQ_ghost>so, like this?
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07:28<dpkg>rumour has it, xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection.
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07:29<beer>that was the exact guide I was using
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07:31<beer>the modifet xorg.conf did not work
07:32<beer>there is stil only output on 1 screen
07:32<QQ_ghost>I have never been able to get two vid cards to run at the same time
07:33<beer>I have, but those was nvidias, with nvidia closed source driver
07:34<QQ_ghost>I would have liked to have examined your xorg.conf
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07:35<beer>when I ran xrander I can see that I have: VGA_1 ,DVI-D_1 and DVI-I_2 and runing xrandr --output VGA_1 does not change anything (the screen there is resiving output is running trough dvi)
07:36<beer>QQ_ghost: the one with nvidia drives?
07:36<QQ_ghost>yeah, the nvidia
07:37<beer>If I cannot get my screen to work with either 1 or all 3 radeon 4350 cards I need to go back to the close source nvidia drivers/cards
07:37<beer>so I can post it if I get back
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07:39<abrotman>beer: are there any errors in your Xorg log ?
07:39<beer>I just hopedd that I could live without closed source drivers but it does not look like the open source drivers (radeonhd) is matured yet
07:39<QQ_ghost>lol, you have 3 screens to one pc - I have a server, a desktop and an Xbox on one screen.
07:40<abrotman>beer: the drivers say they do it .. it's likely a config problem
07:40<beer>(EE) RADEONHD(0): RHDHdmiInit: unknown HDMI output type
07:40<beer>(EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols.
07:41<beer>If it is possible I would like to use all 3 grapics cards but I am not sure how
07:41<abrotman>did you try it manually with xrandr first ?
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07:41<beer>like "xrandr --output VGA_1" ?
07:41<abrotman>anything to make two of them go ?
07:41<abrotman>or three
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07:42<beer>abrotman: sry what to do mean?. My english is not perfekt
07:43<abrotman>the HOWTO mentions using some xrandr commands to do it manually each time (instead of via the confgi)
07:43<beer>xrandr --output VGA_1: does nothing. no output to consol or screen
07:43<abrotman>if you just type 'xrandr' .. how many outputs do you get ?
07:44<abrotman>xrandr --auto
07:44<beer>I got 3;VGA_1, DVI-D_1 ,DVI-I_2, and I blieve that is the first grapic cards with the 3 screen (atm all 3 screen is to the smae graics cards
07:45<beer>when using xrandr --auto as non-root nothing happens
07:46<abrotman>doesn't even probe them ?
07:47<abrotman>put the output of 'xrandr' in a pastebin
07:49<beer>and I have 3 output on the card: VGA, DVI and HDMI and and the screen witch resives output is from dvi
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07:49<beer>and the graic cards is BusID "PCI:6:0:0" as far as I cane tell
07:49<beer>not sure tough
07:50<EmleyMoor>How, in vim, do I replace all occurrences of VAL"any number of digits" with just the digits?
07:53<abrotman>beer: i think you're only supposed to have one Screen section and multiple Display subsections ?
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07:54<Tuplad>is it possible to switch entirely from gnome to KDE in a clean way and without too much mindfuckery ?
07:55<abrotman>install it and use it ?
07:56<Tuplad>abrotman: but I want to wipe GNOME
07:56<beer>how should those display section look like?
07:56<abrotman>Tuplad: /msg dpkg remove gnome
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07:59<EmleyMoor>Got it in the end
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08:00<beer>is there a way to settup x trough a GUI?
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08:09<beer>gonna try ubuntu. I have head that theu should have a gracial frontend. I am not good enough to use command line interface to make xorg work
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08:28<sophi>Hi everyone, i have a problem, my kde4 panels just failed, there was a command that is starting them again, but i forgot it, anyone maybie knows?
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08:32<sophi>thanks anyway, have to restart X.
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08:34<ToNiJR>bye sophi
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08:37<RvGaTe>dpkg doesnt know anything about znc... thats weird...
08:37<dpkg>RvGaTe: bugger all, i dunno
08:37<naught101>hi, I just installed debian, and I can't get X to display 1366x768 - it only has a maximum 0f 1024*768
08:37<naught101>anyone got any ideas?
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08:37<abrotman>which card, which driver?
08:39<naught101>abrotman: intel
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08:39<abrotman>are you actually using that driver? does xrandr give any other modes?
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08:41<naught101>800*600 and 640*480... er, I assume I'm using the intel driver, how do I tell? xorg.conf doesn't say
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08:43<naught101>hrmm.. looks like I might be using vesa
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08:45<naught101>back after I kill X :)
08:45<abrotman>naught101: you can put the whole thing in for us to look at
08:46<naught101>abrotman: Ill try forcing intel first
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08:46<abrotman>what could go wrong ...
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08:51<RvGaTe>is there a support channel for ZNC ?
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08:51<RvGaTe>nvm, got it
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08:52<naught101>well that failed miserably.
08:53<abrotman>naught101: do we get to see the log now ? :)
08:53<abrotman>naught101: lspci -nn | grep VGA
08:55<naught101>oh, damn, I thought you meant the xorg.conf... just a sec
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08:57<abrotman>naught101: lspci -nn | grep VGA
08:58<naught101>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) Graphics Controller [8086:8108] (rev 07)
08:58<abrotman>8086:8108 ?
08:58<abrotman>judd: xorg 8086:8108
08:58<judd>abrotman: Device 8086:8108 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid.
08:59<abrotman>naught101: where'd you get that thing ?
08:59<naught101>acer aspire one, just bought it today from a shop
08:59<naught101>11.6 inch
09:00<naught101>abrotman: it's not supported yet?
09:00<xeon-enouf>abrotman: ooo.. nice, and 'xorg' PCIID?
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09:01<abrotman> .. like that one ?
09:01<abrotman>though i suspect yours is a newer model
09:02<naught101>yeah, basically the same, but with high def screen
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09:03<abrotman>what's the actual model number?
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09:04<abrotman>xeon-enouf: xorg/pciid are both commands, yes
09:05<abrotman>naught101: not that i'm trying to push you toward ubuntu, but here's another reference
09:05<naught101>abrotman: don't worry, I just came from ubuntu :)
09:05<abrotman>oh ok
09:06<naught101>looks like lots of people are having pain with the graphics on this one with ubuntu
09:06<abrotman>naught101: looks like you need that PSB driver
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09:06<abrotman>which doesn't seem to be in debian at all ?
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09:12<naught101>kind of good to be back on kde3 though
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09:19<xeon-enouf>naught101: maybe #intel-gfx on freenode can help
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09:19<naught101>xeon-enouf: ok, I'm just gonna try the ubuntu psb driver first..
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09:22<Asif>your /server
09:22<Asif>is weraid
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09:38<napoly>hello.. newbie here.. I need help with X.Org.. just installed debian 'lenny' on my desktop but it has problem with graphics.. can anyone guide me what steps shoud I take.. thanks a lot
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09:40<xeon-enouf>napoly: what's lspci | grep VGA say?
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09:40<xeon-enouf>napoly: show the video driver you see from this command; "grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
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09:42<napoly>wow.. I just restarted the computer and it works..?!?!?.. i was trying yesterday, today and before.. hmm.. it always stoped when it was booting.. going to try again..
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09:45<napoly>lspci | grep VGA says: Intel Corporation 82845/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
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09:48<napoly>rebooted and it works.. don't understand what was the problem.. it happened when MTA was starting.. (donno what it is..)
09:49<RvGaTe>mail transfer agent
09:50<napoly>hmm.. thx
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09:59<napoly>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers// , (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//, (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//
10:00<napoly>sometimes the X server just has failure to start.. :/
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10:06<locsmif>How do I undelete files on reiserfs?
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10:06<MrBoursier>hello ... somebody in home?!
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10:07<bja>no we are all bots waiting for a fight!
10:07<user01>hi i went to a programming thing yeterday and couldnt get the wpa to work . . . wep seems to work ok, what is the configuration in network interfaces for wpa?
10:08<gsimmons>dpkg: tell user01 -about wpa
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10:11<napoly>can someone explain how the hack it is possible that from 3 reboots one is successful when it goes to X server start ?!?!? I though debian is stable.. :?
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10:12<user01>gsimmons, thanks! now i just need to find a wpa network again
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10:19<slush>napoly: a reboot is hardly a measure point of something being stable ..
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10:22<MrBoursier>one message appears when I log in .. telleing me to see the KDM register, after that it requiers me the password... it started since I put password in my user .. somebody knows why?
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10:23<slush>your broken english doesn't help understanding your question
10:23<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:25<MrBoursier>thanks for understanding and education
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10:27<akitada>Hi. I'm running Lenny on my server and it's working just fine but I also use it as my build box because it's only box I have. As a build box, Lenny is not the best so I'm thinking to debootstrap sid as a build env. Is there anyone like me here? Is there any other solution which is easier than this?
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10:29<slush>maybe vserver is something for you
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10:31<bja>akitada: i am installing a vm on kvm to do just the same thing
10:32<akitada>slush: haven't tried vserver but have kvm set up, but setting up sid with debootstrap was much easier.
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10:34<akitada>bja: why did you choose kvm over debootstrap or other solutions?
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10:36<bja>akitada: becauses my cpu has support for it and it confines everything on a tighter environment
10:37<bja>and if i screw things up really badly, i just make a new copy of the original virtual disk and i'm all set and ready to go again
10:37<akitada>bja: ah that's nice.
10:38<bja>akitada: the only problem is that the cpu i am using is intel and there is some trouble with graphics virtualization
10:39<akitada>bja: that's ok. I don't use any graphics. everything is done in a shell
10:41<bja>akitada: run this on a shell to see if your cpu has suport for kvm "egrep '^flags.*(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo " if it outputs anything you are all set up
10:42<akitada>bja: I already have a few vm on kvm
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10:48<bja>akitada: what vga parameter do you use on your kernel boot up sequence?
10:48<bja>akitada: i mean on the vm machines
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10:51<akitada>bja: I don't care, as I said, I don't use it
10:51<bja>then you access your machines through ssh?
10:54<bja>akitada: may i pm you for a kvm doubt?
10:55<akitada>bja: I'm not an expert on this so I'd rather recommend you to try #kvm on freenode.
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10:55<bja>akitada: thx anyway
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11:02<akitada>bja: just followed this and it worked.
11:02<bja>akitada: thx, I'm taking a look into it right now
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11:31<cesurasean>Is anyone using Amanda for debian?
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11:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:41<cesurasean>How do begin configuring Amanda, using the .deb packages from their website?
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11:41<cesurasean>I suppose those wouldn't be true debian packages anyhow, right?
11:41<cesurasean>So I could just follow their wiki?
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11:41<user01>is there any program i can use for editing nikon raw images in linux?
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11:41<user01>nef format
11:41<EmleyMoor>cesurasean: There are amanda packages in Debian... if you go outside, they are not supported here
11:42<EmleyMoor>(I am hoping teo get it working too)
11:42<albins>I’m using an encrypted LVM, can I run (g)parted to resize that partition, or will something break completely?
11:42<abrotman>user01: i think i saw one awhile ago on freshmeat
11:42<bja>user01: ufraw
11:42<cesurasean>Ok Emley.
11:42<cesurasean>You obviously don't know anything about Amanda, is what you are saying.
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11:43<abrotman>there is a small #amanda on freenode
11:43<cesurasean>I know.
11:43<cesurasean>it's basically pointless though. I'm in there right now.
11:43<EmleyMoor>I know there are amatda packages in Debian - I too want to get it working, though
11:43<dpkg>i heard ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
11:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:43<questioner>!ops HELO LAMERS
11:43<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: questioner complains about: HELO LAMERS
11:44<abrotman>questioner: do you need help?
11:44<questioner>!ops HELO LAMERS
11:44<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: questioner complains about: HELO LAMERS
11:44<sney>well, that was fast.
11:44<questioner>!ops HELO LAMERS
11:44<questioner>!ops HELO LAMERS
11:44<questioner>!ops HELO LAMERS
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11:44<user01>bja, thanks . . . does it work as well as the nikon capture stuff?
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11:44<sney>back in my day trolling meant something .jpg
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11:45<abrotman>sney: downloaded via gopher?
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11:45<user01>questioner is a bot?
11:45<sney>questioner was a bored little boy
11:45<sney>"oh I know I'll go spam something in that channel with all the linux people in it, hee hee hee'
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11:46<bja>user01: it needs some tweaking, but it usually works pretty well, there are other options,
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11:51<amalgam>hallo where can i find the source.list for debian?
11:52<amalgam>no i dont mean my own. i mean the official source.list in the net
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11:53<bja>amalgam: afaik there is no such thing, you build it according to the mirrors you choose
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11:54<amalgam>ok, but there must be a list of all official and non official mirrors?
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11:55<dpkg>from memory, debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or, see also <debmirror>.
11:56<amalgam>thx a lot
11:56<user01>hmm my aircard for internet seems to have stopped running, does someone want to look at the log? i can pastebin
11:56<chaos>i just compiled a kernel on a core2quad .. it kernel panics with Pid: 1, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.311 #1 ... with a call trace
11:56<user01>let me disconnect to create a log
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12:03<user01>ok i generated a log . . . for my wireless modem
12:04<user01>using tee :)
12:04<bja>user01: there is also a pluging for gimp to edit raw images, i just can't remember the name at the moment
12:04<user01>bja, gimp-ufraw?
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12:07<WM>that for the channel? Are there other channels?
12:09<WM>ïïö ìîë÷àò äè
12:10<GenDos>êàê ïàðòèçàíû ¸ìî¸
12:10<WM>abrotman , èäè íàõóé
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12:10<GenDos>» abrotman » not bans
12:10<GenDos>òû íàñ ýòèì íå èñïóãàåøü!!!
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12:11<abrotman>GenDos: do you have a Debian question?
12:12<abrotman>then please be quiet
12:12<GenDos>íàôèã ìíå íóæíî?
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12:12<GenDos>ÈÄÈ ÍÀÕ
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12:13<RvGaTe>gg abrotman
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12:30<NiteSnow>Hello, everyone i need help with making a debian net install iso into a img file so i can use dd for win to write it to a flash drive
12:31<NiteSnow>dose anyone know of software that can do that?
12:32<ichdasich>NiteSnow: you can't boot an iso from a flashdrive
12:33<NiteSnow>right i know that'
12:33<NiteSnow>that is why i want to convert the image to a .img file
12:33<NiteSnow>so i can write the .img file to the flash drive using dd
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12:34<NiteSnow>with the command dd if=limagename.img od=D:
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12:35<NiteSnow>debian has made a live debian .img file i have on a flashdrive now and its running on my server pc but it dosent have an install option
12:36<NiteSnow>dose not*
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12:37<ichdasich>NiteSnow: you want to do an install from that device, right?
12:38<ichdasich>NiteSnow: so, just create some img.file, put grub on it, copy the kernel and initrd from the netinstall-iso on that mountet/ext2'ed fs, and there you go.
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12:39<NiteSnow>yeh the tools to do that from windows are limited
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12:40<chaos>i just compiled a kernel on a core2quad .. it kernel panics with Pid: 1, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.311 #1 ... with a call trace
12:40<NiteSnow>i would need to do it with syslinux.exe and try to make it boot correctly and find the correct initrd and vmlinuz files
12:40<debian-fr>hello I'm frensh, i've create a frensh wiki about debian and I need some frensh contributors with a well-knowledge of debian
12:40<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
12:41<themill>debian-fr: or you can keep going in English here (but they might know more about what you are asking)
12:41<debian-fr>okey thanks
12:41<NiteSnow>yw :D
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12:44<NiteSnow>well im going to work on that see if i can use syslinux.exe to make it boot with isolinux config files (same syntax)
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12:45<NiteSnow>and who knows i may even make a windows installer :D
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12:52<NiteSnow>well in 7 min i will know if it worked :D
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12:54<Morpheus>hi there
12:54<Morpheus>hi people
12:54<Morpheus>how are you
12:54<Morpheus>i am speaking from brazil
12:55<locklace>!congratulate Morpheus
12:55<dpkg>Yay Morpheus, you did it!
12:55<Morpheus>anybody can help me
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12:55<Morpheus>i need help
12:55<NiteSnow>yeh with what ?
12:55<locklace>!tell Morpheus about ask
12:55<Morpheus>i want install linux in my power mac g3
12:55<locklace>!tell Morpheus about space bar
12:56<Nehyx>Morpheus: ask your proble and we'll try to help you
12:56<Morpheus>[locklace]: ok
12:56<NiteSnow>you need to get a ppc iso file for install
12:56<Morpheus>i justa want a site to download
12:56<Morpheus>a good version to install
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12:57<Morpheus>because i want a build a irc server
12:57<Morpheus>using my old power mac g3
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12:57<NiteSnow>ok one second ill get a link and msg it to you
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12:57<Morpheus>good! tank you!
12:57<Morpheus>[NiteSnow], tanks i wait
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13:13<cesurasean>Make sure that you use/create one with the entry program "GNUTAR". Does anyone know what this means exactly?
13:13<cesurasean>is tar the GNU tar?
13:13<cesurasean>because gnutar commands do not work on my system.
13:13<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: yes, tar is gnu tar
13:14<cesurasean>ok, well then what does this mean? Make sure that you use/create one with the entry program "GNUTAR".
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13:14<cesurasean>define dumptype example { global comment "example dumptype" compress client fast program "GNUTAR"
13:14<dondelelcaro>uh... what in the world are you doing?
13:14<cesurasean>how will this program know how to find gnutar if gnutar does not work from the command line?
13:14<cesurasean>using Amanda
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13:15<cesurasean>"Next we have to add a dumptype where we define the settings for the backups. But of course you can use the existing dumptypes. Make sure that you use/create one with the entry program "GNUTAR". All possible settings are well commented in the amanda.conf."
13:15<rektide>what package do i need to install to be able to "man ioctl"
13:15<cesurasean>define dumptype example { global comment "example dumptype" compress client fast program "GNUTAR" strategy standard priority high }
13:15<cesurasean>does this need to be changed to TAR instead of GNUTAR?
13:15<cesurasean>was GNUTAR even available under Etch?
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13:19<thebanana>hey folks, what's the best way to downgrade a kernel in sid? i'm running 2.6.30-1-amd64 and have no sound with intel hda audio
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13:21<Nehyx>thebanana: you should use generic ;)
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13:23<ml|>thebanana: you where using 2.6.30-1-686 before?
13:23<thebanana>nope - fresh install
13:23<thebanana>generic works?
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13:24<ml|>thebanana: on lenny?
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13:25<thebanana>bizarre... i don't see generic in sid
13:26<thebanana>ml|: no - i had ubuntu on this laptop before, but did a bare minimum squeeze install and then dist-upgraded to sid
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13:26<ml|>thebanana: you where problably using 2.6.30-1-686 before, just install that reboot select that kernel test if sound works, then purge other one, but are you sure the kernel is at fault?
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13:27<thebanana>well, aplay my.wav does nothing
13:27<bja>thebanana: sid and squeeze use the same kernel as of today
13:27<bja>judd: kernels
13:27<judd>bja: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
13:27<thebanana>alsamixer shows all levels correctly
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13:27<thebanana>lsmod | grep snd shows all the modules i expect to be there
13:27<ml|>thebanana: mot muttted in alsamixer?
13:27<thebanana>ml|: no mute
13:28<ml|>*not (MM)
13:28<thebanana>ml|: no, the chans are not MM
13:28<bja>thebanana: running on phisical hardware or under vm?
13:28<thebanana>bja: physical
13:28<thebanana>thinkpad r61
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13:29<ml|>thebanana: try speaker-test
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13:40<thebanana>still nada ... dang - will have to look into this later - baby calls
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13:47<LinuxOwnsMe>hi guys!
13:48<LinuxOwnsMe>how can i tip in an @
13:48<LinuxOwnsMe>in crontab
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13:48<LinuxOwnsMe>its not possible with alt + q on german keyboard
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13:49<LinuxOwnsMe>any ideas?
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13:50<LinuxOwnsMe>okay next question in crontrab can i just @reboot /home/teamspeak/tss2_rc2/teamspeak2-server_startscript start for autostart?
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13:54<swo>moin mal ne frage bezüglich der von grub
13:54<swo>oh sorryx wrong language
13:54<swo>one little question about grubs
13:55<swo>what is this file used for?
13:55<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
13:56<bja>swo: sorry wrong factoid
13:56<swo>just to tell grub the devices while grub-in stall and grub-ibnstall or does grub need it while boot priocess
13:56<swo>yes i know
13:56<NiteSnow>most likely
13:56<swo>i cann also speak english
13:56<NiteSnow>yeh its just a language script
13:57<NiteSnow>for people who dont speak english
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14:00<swo>NiteSnow: most likely?
14:01<swo>did you mean bja
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14:01<NiteSnow>im kinda lost lol
14:01<xubuntu>I'm from hungary
14:02<NiteSnow>it just tells grub what drives are on the system
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14:03<xubuntu>In English what the time now?
14:03<swo>NiteSnow: i know but does it also do this while boottime
14:03<NiteSnow>im not shure
14:03<xubuntu>In hungary 8.05 pm
14:03<NiteSnow>but it is mostlikly needed thats hy its there
14:04<swo>my problem is the following: i just set up a bootable stick with some live systems
14:04<ml|>LinuxOwnsMe: what are you trying to do, start that teamspeak script?
14:04<NiteSnow>hes trying to start it at boot
14:04<swo>now i turned to grub-pc for booting
14:04<xubuntu>im go hi
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14:05<ml|>LinuxOwnsMe: /msg dpkg rc.local
14:05<swo>while installing grub from this running system my stick is /dev/sdd
14:05<swo>i also had to tell this in the sticks /
14:06<NiteSnow>yeh i have no idea then
14:06<ml|>LinuxOwnsMe: and /msg dpkg update-rc.d
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14:07<swo>NiteSnow did you talk to me with the no idea
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14:07<NiteSnow>save it try to boot
14:07<NiteSnow>if it dosent boot then put it back
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14:07<NiteSnow>best way i know to find out :D
14:08<NiteSnow>^ swo
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14:08<swo>it boots on my laptop so everything is fine noe
14:08<swo>thabnks anyway
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14:16<Txt_file>Hey. I want to use the non-free fglrx. I installed it and restarted X but it is still mesa active as renderer. What could I do to get the fglrx working correct?
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14:18<ml|>Txt_file: this might help .. /msg dpkg fglrx
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14:18<Txt_file>ml|: I did this already.
14:19<locklace>!ops ilovebananas lamer
14:19<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: locklace complains about: ilovebananas lamer
14:19<ml|>!ops ilovebananas spam
14:19<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ml| complains about: ilovebananas spam
14:19<ml|>Txt_file: no idea then
14:19<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, trool is a troll and a tool and a genuine fool
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14:20<dpkg>trool is probably a troll and a tool and a genuine fool
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14:20<ilovebananas>!ops LAMEEEER
14:20<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ilovebananas complains about: LAMEEEER
14:20<ilovebananas>!ops LAMEEEER
14:20<ilovebananas>!ops LAMEEEER!ops LAMEEEER
14:20<ilovebananas>!ops LAMEEEER!ops LAMEEEER
14:20<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ilovebananas complains about: LAMEEEER!ops LAMEEEER
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14:20<NiteSnow>i dident even know that there was !trool script
14:20-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
14:20<ml|>dondelelcaro: thanks
14:21<Txt_file>ml|: damn. but thanks
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14:22<ml|>Txt_file: i was just trying to point you in the right direction, i don't have a ati card
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14:22<NiteSnow>wait what was txt_file's ? ?
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14:23<ml|>14:16:26 < Txt_file> Hey. I want to use the non-free fglrx. I installed it and restarted X but it is still mesa active as renderer. What could I do to get the fglrx working correct?
14:23<NiteSnow>um you would have to set it as default in the X11.conf
14:24<NiteSnow>i think
14:24<NiteSnow>i havent used debian as my main os in a while
14:24<k1lumin4t1>scribus or scribus-ng?
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14:25<Txt_file>NiteSnow: I set the Driver "fglrx" in /ect/X11/xorg.conf
14:25<NiteSnow>ok and it still loads the wrong one
14:25<valdyn>Txt_file: modprobe fglx, restart X
14:26<valdyn>Txt_file: modprobe fglrx even
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14:27<NiteSnow>yeh im lost i usualy dont bother with the drivers
14:27<Txt_file>lsmod says that fglrx ist loaded
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14:28<NiteSnow>is or is not ...
14:28<NiteSnow>idk ist lol
14:29<Txt_file>it IS loaded
14:29<valdyn>Txt_file: when you read /var/log/Xorg.0.log you should see that fglrx is being used
14:30<valdyn>Txt_file: and if that is the case if its still using mesa then that means that your ati drivers arent installed properly
14:30<dpkg>rumour has it, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the r600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on
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14:31<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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14:31<Txt_file>valdyn: can't find weird stuff in X.log so I try to reinstall fglrx ...
14:31<ml|>seanw_: /msg dpkg selftell
14:32<seanw_>Ah sorry, didn't know it responded via pm :)
14:32<ml|>now you know :)
14:32<Txt_file>see you after the reinstall
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14:32<seanw_>Famous last words.
14:33<locsmif>ha ha
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15:07<Txt_file>I can't figure out, what's the problem with fglrx. Now I have radeon again and damn low fps in the games.
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15:17<cesurasean>This makes no sense to me. - debian:/home/sbrady# apt-get remove amanda*
15:17<cesurasean>Reading package lists... Done
15:17<cesurasean>Building dependency tree
15:17<cesurasean>Reading state information... Done
15:17<cesurasean>E: Couldn't find package amanda-backup-server_2.6.1p1-1_i386.deb
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15:17<themill>dpkg: tell cesurasean about paste
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15:18<cesurasean>sorry I didn't paste bin.
15:18<themill>cesurasean: put quotes arond "amanda*"
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15:19<cesurasean>couldn't find package
15:19<cesurasean>even when I try dpkg -r, it doesn't work.
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15:21<cesurasean>I got it
15:22<themill>cesurasean: stop using * in the shell when you have .debs in the directory that match that glob
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15:26<hajduk>who knows how can i save cached video?
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15:31<hildebrandus>Which Data Acquisition Cards(pci) work best with Debian?
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15:32<r3ng4f>alguem ai do Brasil???
15:32<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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15:38<Iyunkateus>I don't have the visudo command, is there a package I can get to put it on my system?
15:38<azeem>Iyunkateus: sudo
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15:39<Iyunkateus>azeem: I can't use sudo, that's why I need to use visudo
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15:39<azeem>Iyunkateus: it's in the sudo package.
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15:40<Iyunkateus>well I don't have it, but I have the sudo package
15:40<azeem>then either your system is broken or you are not running it as root
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15:41<Iyunkateus>*facepalms* I'm just so used to sudo and "run as root" being interchangeable
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15:43<hajduk>how can i log in as root in debian? when i try to do it from the usual screen, it says u cant log in as root from this screen...
15:44<ml|>hajduk: how are you trying to become root?
15:44<azeem>hajduk: why do you want to login as root?
15:44<azeem>hajduk: consider using sudo or su to become root locally
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16:01<Ignaz>hi, Debian
16:02<hajduk>azeem what does id mean to become root locally, i write in the place of login "root" and then the root password, i don't want my account to become root
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16:07<ml|>hajduk: you should be able to login as root at boot or in another tty afterwords
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16:26<hajduk>i have tried, but nothin...
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16:40<NiteSnow>im here it dident work and i had to actualy make a cd :|
16:41<NiteSnow>i come to find out my little project would turn into rewriteing the installer
16:41<NiteSnow>i quit right there lol
16:42<ml|>what where you trying to do?
16:43<NiteSnow>make the debian net install iso into a bootable usb
16:43<NiteSnow>i did it it booted
16:43<NiteSnow>the installer worked
16:43<NiteSnow>but it couldent find the drivers
16:43<NiteSnow>because it was looking for them on the cd
16:43<NiteSnow>and not the usb
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16:44<ml|>bootable usb to install or ro use?
16:45<NiteSnow>bootable usb to install to hdd
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16:45<ml|> /msg dpkg usb install
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16:46<ml|>NiteSnow: ^
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16:46<NiteSnow>problem it dosent help just being on windows
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16:47<NiteSnow>i can do it that way
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16:47<NiteSnow>i have to use syslinux for win
16:47<NiteSnow>if i do that which i will and i will release it as a .img file
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16:47<NiteSnow>and ill do it on linux
16:47<ml|>NiteSnow: another way is to use unetbootin ask dpkg
16:47<vook>i have a new one - what would possibly cause one key to no longer register as itself. in this case, the key is "g". in order for my to type "g" i must turn caps on and hit SHIFT.
16:48<NiteSnow>unetbootin sucks
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16:48<NiteSnow>it uses its own boot app
16:48<ml|>vook: bad keyboard?
16:48<NiteSnow>change your keylayout
16:48<NiteSnow>in gnome
16:49<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
16:49<dpkg>from memory, stfu is Shut The Fuck Up
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16:49<NiteSnow>i do that alot
16:49<NiteSnow>im the obama of irc
16:50<NiteSnow>this bot dose it all
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16:50<vook>ml|: possibly - but at console, 'g' works. At gnome terminal, 'g' returns nothing, but in iceweasel it works.
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16:51<ml|>vook: oh, so only in gnome terminal?
16:51<NiteSnow>check gnome termenal settings
16:51<NiteSnow>reset them to default
16:52<NiteSnow> look in the profile and when did this start
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16:54<NiteSnow>i wonder if this works
16:54<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, rape is forced sexual intercourse widely considered a serious offense throughout the world and not a word to be treated lightly, as it offends some people's personhood at a very deep level.
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16:54<NiteSnow>iit dose
16:55<NiteSnow>sorry new to this chan
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16:55<ml|>dpkg: tell NiteSnow about selftell
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16:56<NiteSnow>i got that
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16:56<Ckhi>crap. -.-
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16:57<NiteSnow>um if you have to shit do it in a diff chan please or atleast bring lysol or fabreze and pick up afterwards
16:58<CkhiKuzad>i reeeally need to uninstall windows, and transfer my Debian to my 160 gig hard drive so im not worried about having only 2 gigs left
16:59<NiteSnow>um i dont think you can move your install of debian
16:59<CkhiKuzad>i dont either
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17:00<NiteSnow>i cant stand indows but my fav chat program is on here and i cant leave it
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17:00<NiteSnow>i use Xchat
17:00<CkhiKuzad>xchats on linux too
17:00<CkhiKuzad>im using it right now
17:00<NiteSnow>and my fav chat program is Camfrog
17:00*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
17:00<NiteSnow>i know its on linux
17:00<NiteSnow>i use it on linux
17:01<NiteSnow>look it up
17:01<NiteSnow>!google Camfrog
17:01<enrico_>! list
17:01<dpkg>enrico_: VATTENE VIA
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17:01<NiteSnow>it dosent google :|
17:01<CkhiKuzad>i think i can save the info for all my packages i installed to my flash drive, then reinstall them from that info on the first install
17:01<CkhiKuzad>is that possible
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17:02<themill>CkhiKuzad: sure, /msg dpkg aptitude clone
17:02<NiteSnow>wow wrong window
17:02<NiteSnow>i would say
17:02<NiteSnow>make a list of all of the packages and then do apt-get install list of packages
17:03<CkhiKuzad>i've got tons of crap installed
17:03<NiteSnow>yeh me too
17:03<maxb><NiteSnow> um i dont think you can move your install of debian
17:03<NiteSnow>i run a server
17:03<maxb>sure you can. This isn't windows
17:03<CkhiKuzad>i might be able to do a full carbon copy
17:03<CkhiKuzad>oh max.
17:03<NiteSnow><maxb> u know that
17:03<NiteSnow><maxb> i* know that
17:04<CkhiKuzad>but i was planning to do this:
17:04<NiteSnow>im not looking to do that if you where paying attention you would know CkhidKuzad asked
17:05<CkhiKuzad>i could just format my windows hard drive, and copy every folder, file, etc to that drive. boot up a live cd and reconfigure grub, and then be done with wiblows
17:06<NiteSnow>i dident think of that
17:06<CkhiKuzad>im like L
17:06<CkhiKuzad>brb pizza
17:06*maxb observes that NiteSnow seems to be self-contradicting
17:06<NiteSnow>i have 20$ to order pizza
17:06<ml|>make sure to use cp -a or rsync -a
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17:07<NiteSnow>wants to rape my self errr im lost
17:07<CkhiKuzad>i cooked this pizza
17:07<CkhiKuzad>we had frozen pizzas in the freezer
17:08<themill>CkhiKuzad: #debian-offtopic, please
17:08<CkhiKuzad>ok ok
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17:08<dr|z3d>Why do I guess the sense CkhiKuzad and NiteSnow are the same puppetmaster?
17:08<NiteSnow>you dont
17:08<CkhiKuzad>my IP is WAAY different than his
17:08<simonrvn>easy enough to check
17:09<CkhiKuzad>i think...
17:09<NiteSnow>i think where in the same state
17:09<ml|>ot ot ot
17:10<NiteSnow>your domain is in
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17:10<NiteSnow>im near cleveland
17:11<themill>NiteSnow: do you think you could see it in yourself to be more signal and less noise in the channel. #debian-offtopic for chatter, please
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17:11<NiteSnow>yes oh great one
17:11<CkhiKuzad>im in fort loramie
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17:13<Ignaz>howdy, sci3ntist
17:14<sci3ntist>well, is there an apache module that blocks frequest requests
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17:15<ml|>dr|z3d: i think you are right :)
17:15*simonrvn refuses to answer questions that can be found out using the common debian tools
17:16<CkhiKuzad>or googling
17:17<NiteSnow>frequest ?
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17:17<NiteSnow>frequent request ?
17:17<sci3ntist>frequent requests
17:17<NiteSnow>ill look
17:18<sci3ntist>I can't find any module that does this jobs
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17:18<dpkg>enrico_: VATTENE VIA
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17:29<CkhiKuzad>i've tried to torrent some stuff, and for some reason transmission wont recognize any seeders
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17:32<NiteSnow>mmm hmm
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17:32<NiteSnow>um try using a differnt torrent app
17:32<NiteSnow>theres ones like deluge
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17:33<CkhiKuzad>deluge isnt in apt-get
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17:35<NiteSnow>google it
17:36<hdon>CkhiKuzad: use apt-cache search deluge
17:36<hdon>maybe you'll find it that way
17:36*hdon guesses
17:36<ml|>judd: versions deluge
17:36<judd>ml|: deluge -- experimental: 1.1.2.dfsg-1 squeeze: 1.1.9+dfsg-1 sid: 1.1.9+dfsg-2
17:36<hdon>that's a terrible name for a robot
17:36<hdon>judd. phpbphb.
17:36<judd>hdon: Error: "phpbphb." is not a valid command.
17:37<hdon>yo mama's not a valid command
17:38<NiteSnow>judd. apt-get install php5
17:38<judd>NiteSnow: Error: "apt-get" is not a valid command.
17:38<NiteSnow>judd. help
17:38<judd>NiteSnow: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
17:38<ml|>NiteSnow: use /msg judd
17:40<themill>NiteSnow: for more details, /msg dpkg judd
17:40<ml|>oh, did not know dpkg knew about judd
17:41<NiteSnow>me eaither
17:42<hdon>judd: help, i'm drowning
17:42<judd>hdon: Error: "help," is not a valid command.
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17:45<bremner>I'm on lenny, in group plugdev, /sys/block/sdb/removable is 1, but pmount says /dev/sdb1 is not removable. What am I missing?
17:45<NiteSnow>set one to 2...
17:45<NiteSnow>reload fstab
17:45<NiteSnow>(i think you can)
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17:49<Ignaz>n8, cyres
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17:55<bremner>ok, this is weird: it looks like it matches the device, but then fails anyway
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17:57<bruno_>algum canal de linux br?
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17:57<bremner>!tell bruno_ -about br
17:58-!-bruno_ is now known as Noturno99
17:58<Noturno99>-about br
17:58<Noturno99>!tell bruno_ -about br
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18:00<NiteSnow> !br
18:00<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:01<CkhiKuzad>no habla espanol dpkg
18:02<NiteSnow>i wonder if this works
18:02<CkhiKuzad>i actually can speak a little spanish
18:02<bremner>OIC, my pmount bug seems to be fixed in squeeze.
18:02<NiteSnow>!br bruno_
18:02<CkhiKuzad>me llamo Ckhi Kuzad
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18:49<QQ_ghost>why would "InteractiveBastille" install on 5.0.3 if it doesn't support it?
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18:53<slush>because it can
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18:55<QQ_ghost>it would seem to be a very useful tool to, why would it not be made compatible if it can install?
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18:56<andrew>join #openfiler
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18:57<QQ_ghost>is #openfiler where I would find info on Bastille?
18:57<QQ_ghost>oh wait, you forgot the /?
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18:59<slush>QQ_ghost: I wonder, what do you mean with "it doesn't support it" and "not be made compatible" ?
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19:02<andrew>Can someone help with this, I'm very confused by this. I've setup bind locally, which responds fine to dig/nslookup, however cannot curl a webpage from the local bind9 installation? (
19:02<QQ_ghost>this is what I mean by not compatible:
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19:06<andrew>resolve.conf is set to "nameserver"
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19:07<dr|z3d>andrew: & for OpenDNS servers.
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19:08<andrew>#dr|z3d - Thanks however, I wish to use bind to manage my local hosts, I.e. andrew.local
19:09<NiteSnow>oh llike a router
19:09<NiteSnow>damn this keyboard or my inability to type*
19:10<NiteSnow>yeh to do that you would have to make a dhcp/bind dns router with packet forwarding
19:10<NiteSnow>you need 2 network cards
19:10<andrew>Well, have a team of 20 developers, and I wish to manage the DNS internally and forward requests.
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19:11<NiteSnow>what type of developers cause they might know more :D
19:12<slush>andrew: "nameserver" should work better
19:12<dr|z3d>andrew: well, listens on all available adapters.. change to perhaps, or better still, a lan ip..
19:13<slush>QQ_ghost: the program still works, only platfrom specifick is different and as it seems debian 5.0 is not added yet
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19:14<andrew>Was simply setting it up locally, however I cannot work out why, nslookup and dig both work and bind is responding correctly. However it is not responding at all.
19:14<andrew>When trying to use curl/firefox etc.
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19:14<QQ_ghost>slush: so how do I get it to run as if it were DB4.0, and would that work?
19:14<andrew>Cheers, I realize binds to all available adapters, and that's exactly what I wish to occur, because we are setting up multiple vlan's
19:15<simNIX>I would like to give Squeeze a testdrive. I like to pxe load the install. So I went to a Debian ftp and navigated to dist/testing/main/installer-i386 to notce a softlink to current (Lenny) Im navigating here to collect the initrd.gz and linux but I wonder; if through this soflink I grab the Lenny installer how do I then tell it to load testing and not Lenny ?
19:15<azeem>simNIX: if you want to run squeeze, you should install lenny and upgrade
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19:16<simNIX>ow I thought best practice was fresh
19:16<azeem>installing squeeze is only useful for installer developers or QA people
19:16<simNIX>ty - will do
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19:16<simNIX>I read we go to regular releases
19:16<simNIX>let me dig up the article
19:16<koffee>hi all... where's a good channel to get help for basic bash scripting and make?
19:16<slush>QQ_ghost: it's prolly not wise to tell it is db4.0, since there have been many changes
19:17<azeem>koffee: #bash e.g.
19:17<andrew><koffee> What you need to know?
19:18<koffee>mediainfo blahwitch.avi does stdout...
19:18<azeem>andrew: bash and make questions are off topic here
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19:19<koffee>i want to run that on each file (avi,mpg,etc) in a dir tree ><filename>.mi
19:19<QQ_ghost>slush: I did not tell it DB5.0 but it knew on it's own
19:19<koffee>but I'll try there... thanks
19:19<simNIX>this made me think lets help test testing further ahead
19:19<andrew><koffee> - #bash
19:20<slush>QQ_ghost: correct, it should determine such things by itself
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19:20<slush>QQ_ghost: see
19:21<andrew>Tried switching /etc/resolv.conf to, however still does not work. Anyone got any ideas/pointers as to what the issue could be?
19:22<dr|z3d>andrew: Try restarting bind perhaps?
19:22<QQ_ghost>slush: wow, ok. is there any other security related program that would do something similar?
19:23<slush>QQ_ghost: there are several programs that is security related, like logcheck, rkhunter and tiger
19:23<themill>andrew: I think you need to fiddle with /etc/nsswitch.conf to change the way names are resolved to allow your .local resolution to work.
19:24<slush>maybe a 'search local' would work in resolv.conf, andrew
19:24<QQ_ghost>slush: yeah, I have those - but do they recommend security settings?
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19:25<themill>andrew: (I'm assuming you're using mdns for the .local domain; something about which I know precious little)
19:26<slush>QQ_ghost: not really, tiger perhaps .. but those programs are ment to make you more aware of things on your system .. even recommended settings ain't always the safest ones
19:27<QQ_ghost>slush: the info I read on bastille was that it helped you understand the settings...?
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19:27<andrew><themill>, <slush> - Thanks much, appreciated. I've actually got other sub-domains mapped, in the form of, testing this actually works, so its the suffix of .local that it fails on:)
19:27<themill>andrew: note, however, that dig and nslookup explicitly use dns libraries whereas programs like curl will typically use the libc resolver. Use "getent hosts hostname.local" to test the libc resolver.
19:28<slush>QQ_ghost: so is 'man' ;)
19:28<andrew><themill>: I'm not familiar with mdns, just looking up now.
19:29<QQ_ghost>slush: 'man' is a friend, but not a close one. 'man' can be very cryptic sometimes.
19:29<azeem>andrew: please consider using "nick: " to address people on IRC, "<nick>" is considered a quotation
19:29<andrew>azeem: Thanks for the heads up :)
19:30<azeem>good irc clients tab-complete to "nick: " after a couple of chars
19:31<slush>azeem: telnet? ;)
19:31<azeem>slush: ?
19:31<andrew>azeem: Any you recommend, have to admit, I rarely use irc, however currently using xchat.
19:32<azeem>xchat is fine as a GUI client
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19:32<andrew>azeem: Should use irssi considering I spend all my time on terminals managing servers and programming.
19:33<slush>QQ_ghost: tiger has som recommendations, also 'checksecurity' .. even db5.0 isnt supportes by bastille, it still can suggest things
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19:33<slush>azeem: nvm, just a bad joke :)
19:34<QQ_ghost>slush: I am certain that bastille could suggest things, but how do I get it to run? It just gives me the error msg and exits...
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19:34<slush>ooh, ok
19:34<QQ_ghost>slush: I will try the others in the mean time.
19:34<andrew>themill: So any idea how I could get .local working as this is a common convention to use in the office. Works fine within your hosts file for example.
19:36<QQ_ghost>I run a home server for personal use from abroad, and I get alot of IP addresses from asia trying to hack in.
19:36<slush>QQ_ghost: see also "man bastille", specially the part about the '--os' part
19:37<QQ_ghost>slush: already got it up ;)
19:37<slush>oh well, thats normal;)
19:37<slush>but see also denyhosts
19:37<andrew>QQ_ghost: IP Tables?
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19:38<QQ_ghost>slush, andrew: yeah, those are my next steps. I just wanted to have an app that could help me understand without bothering a human ;)
19:38<slush>well, too late for that :p
19:39<QQ_ghost>so true... lol
19:39<adb>QQ_ghost, /msg dpkg fail2ban
19:39<themill>andrew: You'll have to investigate /etc/nsswitch.conf (the "hosts:" line) yourself to see how you should set up name resolution. I don't know enough to tell you more (other than it seems to work here with just "host" in /etc/hosts and "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" in /etc/nsswitch.conf.
19:40<andrew>themill: Thanks you've been a great help :)
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19:40<QQ_ghost>adb: thanks, will look into that too!
19:40<themill>andrew: (I also have libnss-mdns installed). But I'm not actually sure whether my local network here is using mdns or /etc/hosts now that I look at this config....
19:41<slush>night folks, good luck all :)
19:41<themill>andrew: and in the spirit of not touching non-broken things, I don't think I'll actually touch it to find out... :)
19:41<QQ_ghost>gnite slush, and thanks
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19:43<andrew>themill: Think I might just change our convention for simplicity, would mean configuring all machines within the office. Much simpler to add a .com on the end instead.
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19:46<themill>andrew: With the setup I described, "getent hosts otherlaptop" used /etc/hosts and "getent hosts otherlaptop.local" used mdns (through nss-mdns and avahi-daemon). I vaguely recall something about the .local domain being magic for this sort of resolution... you'll have to find out more yourself.
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19:48<andrew>themill: That doesn't surprise me, the first host I was testing was with .local, so I spent ages thinking bind was broken. Frustrating when you end up chasing the wrong thing.
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20:08<insigne>ablas alguma
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20:24<andrew>themill: Just found this
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20:38<NiteSnow>andrew: My school ran a microshit network it had the .local dns name
20:39<NiteSnow>^most unsecure network ive ever been on had fun with it^
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20:42<andrew>NiteSnow: Its a standard convention to use .local for domain controllers etc.
20:43<NiteSnow>dident know that
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20:43<NiteSnow>yeh i use .local on my network
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20:45<NiteSnow>wow this is the 5th reinstall of debian today
20:45<NiteSnow>it keeps messing up and skiping parts for no reason
20:45<NiteSnow>im reinstalling my network router
20:46<andrew>vim /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases
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20:46<NiteSnow>it had CentOS on it but it was corupted durring transport
20:46<NiteSnow>how do you use VIM
20:46<andrew>Can't stand CentOS
20:46<RvGaTe>NiteSnow, there's a distro completely dedicated to run as a router you know...
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20:47<NiteSnow>what distro
20:47<RvGaTe>cant recall the name...
20:47<RvGaTe>but i bet someone else here can
20:47<NiteSnow>cause most i found dident work well and cost an arm and a leg
20:47<azeem_>depends on what you mean with "router"
20:47<azeem_>there's opewrt/dd-wrt for the Linksys wlan routers
20:47<NiteSnow>i mean a full system with router features
20:48<NiteSnow>i use dd-wrt on my other router
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20:48<andrew>Linux Live-CD Router ?
20:48<RvGaTe>IPCop is the one im talking about
20:48<NiteSnow>never used it
20:48<andrew>Any good?
20:49<RvGaTe>i only looked into it, never actually got to use it
20:50<RvGaTe>has very detailed logging and you can do pretty much anything with it...
20:50<RvGaTe>there wasnt a thing that i couldnt use
20:50<NiteSnow>i like to beable to use my router as a server
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20:50<NiteSnow>be able*
20:50<RvGaTe>ah, thats the only thing that i couldnt use :P
20:50<RvGaTe>now i remember
20:51<RvGaTe>it functions as an advanced router... and only that... lol
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20:51<NiteSnow>have my server connected to my netgear router with the dhcp server turned off
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20:51<RvGaTe>then you dont want router stuff at all
20:51<NiteSnow>i do
20:52<RvGaTe>you want to replace your netgear router ?
20:52<NiteSnow>i have the dhcp server off in the netgear
20:52<NiteSnow>and the server/router running the firewall and the whole connection
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20:52<NiteSnow>i have my modem connected to my server/router
20:53<andrew>I always switch off routers with DHCP, either that or assign statically, they never bloody work.
20:53<NiteSnow>my server/router has 2 nic's
20:53<NiteSnow>mine works well
20:53<RvGaTe>andrew, get a decent router :P
20:53<NiteSnow>but i like more control over my network
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20:54<NiteSnow>this way i can have my peer gardian block list in my router and not my pc freeing up resources
20:54<andrew>Same, have to cap people's bandwidth.
20:54<NiteSnow>woo it installed this time
20:55<NiteSnow>from cd
20:55<RvGaTe>andrew, we recently got the Dlink DIR-655, might wanna take a look at that :)
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20:56<NiteSnow>cant mod/put a custom firmwire on it
20:56<RvGaTe>why do you want that if it already has all the features you need... ?
20:56<NiteSnow>you need a one of those in the list
20:56<NiteSnow> < list
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20:57<NiteSnow>it gives you more control and you can limit peoples bandwidth usage
20:57<NiteSnow>set wireless output
20:57<andrew>Bought a cisco managed switch and the the bloody thing only works in IE to configure vlans and has a poor ncurses interface that you can't really use.
20:57<banished>Hi, there is a video which requires mplayer win32codec, however, I'm on a 64bit system
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20:58<NiteSnow><andrew> dd-wrt router img
20:58*hdon doesn't like dd-wrt
20:58*NiteSnow thinks dd-wrt is ok
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20:59<NiteSnow>it has everything for a small network access point
20:59<hdon>the "micro" variation of v24 for the past two RCs has had a completely non-functioning shell, and traffic shaping doesn't work at all
20:59<NiteSnow>it has everything for a small network / access point
20:59<hdon>non-functioning shell
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20:59<hdon>that's what i have installed right now
20:59<NiteSnow>wrong part of the keynpard
20:59<hdon>it still has bugs like this:
21:00*hdon telnets into his WAP/router
21:00<NiteSnow>on what router
21:00<NiteSnow>dont use telnet use ssh
21:00<hdon>uh i can use telnet
21:00<hdon>i am wired into it
21:00<hdon>and it's fully switched
21:00<hdon>and nobody else is wired
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21:01<NiteSnow>yeh i use ssh so peoples can get my password
21:01<hdon>first of all the prompt is broken. it says \u@\h:\w\$ like it has PS1 set for a good shell, but it's a minimal shell
21:01<hdon>second of all, watch this:
21:01<banished>so how can I install 32bit software (in particular mplayer) on a 64 bit system using apt? I heared there is something like ia32-apt?
21:02<hdon>\u@\h:\w\$ [ -a /etc/www ] || wc -l /etc/www
21:02<hdon> 14691 /etc/www
21:02<NiteSnow>banished install ia-32
21:02<hdon>look at that
21:02<hdon>what is wrong with that?
21:02<hdon>besides EVERYTHING
21:02<NiteSnow>idk that command
21:02<hdon>the shell expression "[ -a /etc/www ]" returns success (code 0) if /etc/www is a file
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21:03<NiteSnow>cause www is in a diff dir
21:03<NiteSnow>do ls /*
21:03<hdon>you have no idea what you're talking about
21:03<jmarsden>hdon: Looks like your shell is not bash? Try exec bash in there if you want to use PS1 to set your prompt?
21:03<NiteSnow>www is in a diff dir on dd-wrt
21:03<hdon>jmarsden: it's a minimal system not made by me. you're right it's not bash, it's some minimal shell, but PS1 is still set like it is bash
21:03<NiteSnow>i need to get my dd-wrt box on
21:04<hdon>NiteSnow: you don't know what you're talking about. /etc/www is a text file
21:04<hdon>here is my favorite part:
21:04<hdon>-sh: ls: not found
21:04<RvGaTe>lol ?
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21:04<hdon>so yeah, last few v24 micro RCs
21:04<hdon>do not use them
21:04<NiteSnow>it works on my linksys wrt54g v2
21:04<azeem_>hdon: please keep it on topic
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21:05<hdon>azeem: ok
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21:06<NiteSnow><hdon> we have to run to #debian-offtopic
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21:09<andy_>Hi, this is my first venture onto IRC. I'm using xchat-gnome on Debian Lenny.
21:10<NiteSnow>welcome noob!
21:10<NiteSnow>im using Xchat on windows
21:11<andy_>Thank you. Yes I am such a newb! Delighted to have Debian installed and running and to be able to try out new things..
21:12<NiteSnow>yeh debian is a nice system
21:12<NiteSnow>i use it for my server
21:12<NiteSnow>and my router
21:14<hdon> likes lenny
21:14<andy_>I've only got a desktop. I'm delighted that it can handle the multi-media and java. Though I had to fiddle about a bit to get all this to work.
21:15<NiteSnow>yeh you have to work with linux
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21:15<NiteSnow>but i use scripts i have premade to do setup on debian server
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21:16<NiteSnow>im going to make a new one to do router setup
21:16<andy_>Yes that's true, but I can remember the nightmare of getting to grips with windows when I first started to use a PC; I had to learn which side up a floppy goes in!
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21:17<NiteSnow>now if i can type
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21:18<NiteSnow>wb andrew
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21:19<andy_>So far my only significant experience of the commandline is using wget on occassion, but I'm looking forward to getting more involved with it, that is, the commandline.
21:20<NiteSnow>yes the command line is something you need to learn
21:20<sney>someone give this man the reference cad
21:20<NiteSnow>if you want to be able to fix things quickly
21:21<andy_>Yes, I'm so glad that Debian has documentation that will help me step up to this.
21:21<NiteSnow>yeh windows is bad for documentation it takes alot of googling to figure out how to fix sometimg
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21:22<andy_>Yes, I already sense the speed and flexibility.
21:22<NiteSnow>then you come to find out that you need to run a live linux distro to change a file name
21:24<andy_>Yes, live linux distros are very useful. I used Puppy linux to access files for screen display get the screen working on occassion. Something in X11 from memory.
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21:25<NiteSnow>i use SliTaz
21:25<NiteSnow>30mb of fun
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21:27<andy_>There are so many live distros now. I'll make a note of that one. Being so small I have not heard of it. I still need my hand held by graphical interfaces!
21:27<NiteSnow>every one dose at one point
21:28<NiteSnow>SliTaz has a gui a nice one at that
21:30<andy_>Thanks for letting me know about that. I'm delighted to have got a cheap and exciting alternative to Windows that works how I want it to without having much techie knowledge. Linux has really got a lot more accessible to newbies - and end user powerful - compared to a few years ago..
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21:36<andy_>I'm in the UK and it's now very late so I'll be signing off in a bit. Tomorrow will do a bit more reading on the irc commands.. thanks for making my first real go at this a pleasant experience. I look forward to visiting the channel again and using it to sort out linux things.. cheers everybody!
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21:37<NiteSnow>its like 2 am there
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22:09<debinst>question: where's the actual content of the xorg.conf file? all i see is "configured monitor", "configured device" but not the actual configuration. where is it?
22:09<debinst>i ask because my xorg.conf does not work well and i want to change it
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22:23<debinst>ok i got the details of the xorg.conf now. it uses vesa and i want radeon. but when i replace the string vesa with the string radeon then X does not run. is there a X config tool?
22:23<GhostlyDeath>debinst: Do you have an ATI Radeon?
22:24<GhostlyDeath>try "ati" instead of "radeon"
22:25<GhostlyDeath>debinst: should work then
22:25<GhostlyDeath>provided you really have an ATI Radeon
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22:27<debinst>yes i have an ati radeon. it is built into the motherboard
22:27<GhostlyDeath>debinst: then use "ati"
22:27<kop>I created an identity in balsa and now I can't get rid of it.
22:27<debinst>ok. so i just replace "vesa" by "ati" and leave all other lines unchanged?
22:27<GhostlyDeath>debinst: hopefully
22:28<kop>(At least not in the gui.) I could probably hack at the config file. Hopefully nothing bad will happen... Anybody have any hints?
22:29<debinst>ok i replaced vesa by ati and now the X server does not start any more. is there an ati config/setup tool?
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22:31<kop>debinst: Do you have the ati drivers installed? If not then you might be able to have gotten away with no xorg.conf at all....
22:31<ml|>debinst: /msg dpkg ati
22:33<debinst>aptitude says: Couldn't find package "ati" and more than 40 packages contain "ati" in their name
22:34<ml|>debinst: do that here in irc
22:34<debinst>dpkg ati: it complains that dpkg needs an action option
22:34<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, debinst
22:34<ml|>debinst: /msg dpkg ati
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22:36<kop>debinst: It's also got "xorg" and "video" in the package name.
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22:37<kop>debinst: xserver-xorg-video-ati But then I don't know whether this is right or you want radeon or what. I usually read the man page and it says what's supported.
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22:42<blue32>anyone know how to get the run dialog to save the entries that are typed in in kde?
22:43<ml|>blue32: try asking in #debian-kde, but iirc gmrun does that
22:43<ml|>not a kde app*
22:44<blue32>ml|: ty
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22:50<lethias>I have a win vista machine I'm thinking of installing lenny on to but I don't want install grub on my hard drive's mbr, is it possible for me to put grub on my usb stick and just insert & boot from it when I want linux to run?
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22:52<sney>lethias: hmm, possibly. or maybe isolinux. I used to boot an old mac the same way with a floppy
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22:53<quinque>lethias: you could also boot the linux from the windows boot loader ... brief desc:
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22:53<lethias>sney: thats what I was thinking of.
22:53<lethias>quinque: I'm not wanting to mess with windows at all. I want it left in its native state.
22:53<sney>and let me guess, the machine isn't exactly yours, and you don't need the other people who use it knowing that there's a dual boot situation going on ... right? ;)
22:54<lethias>sney: no, its definitely mine.
22:54<lethias>sney: lol
22:54<ml|>can also try installing grub to debian partition
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22:54<lethias>sney: I've just got my vista installation the way I wanted it, its running fine but I've been wanting try lenny on my system for a few things.
22:55<lethias>I'd rather just use a simple usb key to boot up linux instead of having to mess with my vista's mbr. :)
22:55<lethias>not to mention i've got an extra 2gb usb stick here I'm doing nothing with.
22:57<sney>well it should be possible, there are probably howtos floating around and failing that you could dissect the image used to boot netinst off a usb stick
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22:57<quinque>lethias: googlin is always good idea ;)
22:57<lethias>I've been reading through a couple so far.
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22:57<lethias>a few have mentioned syslinux too
22:58<sney>right, syslinux. that's the old floppy one.
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22:59<sney>I don't know offhand now to do it but now I want to figure it out!
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22:59<lethias>ha ha
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23:00<lethias>I used to use a floppy to boot mandrake up on an old computer of my parents back when I was younger. It had win98 installed and linux on a seperate partition.
23:01<lethias>My parents never knew bout the linux part that I installed and I would use the old floppy to boot into it to mess with it.
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23:13<lethias>I do believe I've found how to create a bootloader usb. :)
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