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---Logopened Mon Sep 14 00:00:05 2009
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00:00<xkastx> upgrade-from-grub-legacy
00:00<kop>xkastx: You saved your old menu.lst and then ran update-grub?
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00:01<xkastx>i dont have menu.lst
00:02<kop>xkastx: update-grub re-creates it if it does not exist, so you don't want the old menu.lst.
00:02<xkastx>grub 2 use grub.cfg
00:02<kop>xkastx: I thought you wanted to use grub 1?
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00:02<kop>xkastx: But you have grub 2 installed, not grub 1?
00:02<NiteSnow>im bk
00:02<xkastx>i reinstall grub1
00:03<kop>xkastx: Using apt (aptitude/apt-get/etc.) right?
00:03<NiteSnow>yeh ive learned my lesson with grub dont touch it unless you have to
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00:03<kop>xkastx: And update-grub does not make you a new menu.lst?
00:03<xkastx>letme see
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00:04<kop>xkastx: Better read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz
00:04<xkastx>do u know is gfxgrub run in lenny?
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00:05<diego>hi, I wonder if anyone knows how to make alt+### ascii codes work under gnome
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00:06<diego>like windows ... alt + 97 == 'a'
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00:06<xkastx>in add to panel there is a tool for that
00:07<xkastx>for symbols
00:07<xkastx>mu english isnt so good
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00:08<Drone>nite snow u there
00:08<diego>yeah ... but I don't want a symbols tool
00:08<Drone>im converting the cd to img
00:08<diego>I just want alt+### to work
00:09<Drone>*iso to img
00:09<NiteSnow>what app dose that
00:09<NiteSnow>ive been looking for like 3 days
00:09<Drone>and i use demo
00:09<Drone>did it in like a min
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00:13<Drone>i get an error now
00:13<Drone>C:\>dd if=debian-503-i386-CD-1.img od=i: rawwrite dd for windows version 0.6beta2. Written by John Newbigin <> This program is covered by terms of the GPL Version 2. Device i: is a link to \\?\Device\Harddisk1\DP(1)0-0+f \\?\Device\Harddisk1\DP(1)0-0+f is a partition on \Device\Harddisk1 Error opening input file: 2 The system cannot find the
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00:18<Drone>working now
00:18<Drone>i closed cmd and reopened
00:19<Drone>k its going
00:19<Drone>i dled the iso from the place ure link said to
00:20<Drone>i think its dumb sometimes how xp doesn't show you the extact format of a file
00:22<Drone>man class is at 9
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00:22<GhostlyDeath>Drone: No it isn't
00:22<GhostlyDeath>there is no "class" manpage
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00:25<Drone>ok dd is done
00:25<Drone>gonna boot the eee
00:25<Drone>spoke too soon
00:25<Drone>dd not done
00:25<GhostlyDeath>Otherwise your dd will be for naught
00:26<legnaleurc>why bash depends dash?
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00:28<adb>legnaleurc, apt-cache depends bash
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00:28<Drone>wat the hell...
00:29<Drone>it booted slack again
00:29<legnaleurc>adb, do you mean dash?
00:29<NiteSnow>how can it do that if your booting the usb
00:29<NiteSnow>or is that wat is on the eee
00:30<adb>no , legnaleurc
00:30<Drone>i put in usb into xp and said the drive inst formated
00:30<Drone>im gonna try it again
00:30<legnaleurc>adb, but now bash will depends on dash ... i just don't know why
00:30<Drone>alirght its goin again
00:31<Drone>i need sleep @.@
00:31<adb>legnaleurc, now ?
00:31<Drone>3 screens going
00:31<NiteSnow>me too i need to be up at 5 its 12
00:31<legnaleurc>adb, yah, since 4.0-5
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00:31<dpkg>hello, d3co
00:32<adb>judd, versions bash
00:32<judd>adb: bash -- etch: 3.1dfsg-8 lenny: 3.2-4 sid: 4.0-4 squeeze: 4.0-4
00:32<Drone>nite, ill be on here at around midnight tommorow
00:32<Drone>ill tell u whats happening then
00:32<Drone>im login off
00:32<Drone>ty so far
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00:33<legnaleurc>adb, the 3.2 ones also depends on dash ...
00:33<NiteSnow>worng box
00:33<adb>legnaleurc, not here ... in lenny
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00:37<legnaleurc>or should i change to bash-minimal/
00:38<simonrvn>aptitude install apt-listbugs
00:38<simonrvn>so who's the person who's running sid and didn't install that, so i can LART them?
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01:36<Musix>Hello! I wish talk to a girl.
01:36<Hideo>well aren't you way off then
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01:37<Musix>Alguém fala portugues ou frances?
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01:43<NiteSnow>how dose someone end up doing that in a computer related irc cant they read ...
01:50<sney>nobody was talking after he joined
01:50<sney>also, ubuntu sends xchat users here by default, apparently.
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01:58<sney>you know, I just downloaded ubuntu's current xchat .deb, and it doesn't seem to generate a default xchat.conf
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02:26<aliendark>hablan español
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02:31<Wilduck>Hey guys, I'm trying to install a fortran compiler of any kind, and aptitude is shooting all sorts of errors at me. I'm thinking there might be something wrong with my sources.list file, but I'm not sure. Any advice?
02:31<Wilduck>specifically 404 errors
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02:32<jm_>put it all on pastebin
02:32<Wilduck>can you link me to a paste bin?
02:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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02:37<jm_>I was thinking you'd include apt output too
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02:39<Wilduck>it's a little sloppy, but this is the output
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02:46<jm_>run apt-get update
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02:47<Wilduck>haha, if this fixes my problem I'll be pretty pleased
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02:47<Wilduck>ok, updated
02:48<Wilduck>well then
02:48<Wilduck>it seems to be working automagically
02:48<Wilduck>do you mind telling me what apt-get update did to fix this?
02:49<Wilduck>Also, thank you so much.
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02:51<jm_>wait a bit
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02:59<jm_>the package was updated in testing since you last ran apt-get update so it was trying to fetch the version it knew about
02:59<jm_>but that version was no longer available due to the above
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02:59<Wilduck>I see. So a good course of action when I start getting those 404s is to do an update?
03:01<jm_>that's probably a good generic option yes - also install rmadison and you can run that for the packages it finds and compare that to apt-cache show output (versions)
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03:01<jm_>it finds = it doesn't find :)
03:02<Wilduck>cool, thanks so much for your help. I was thinking I'd have to use windows to do this assignment, and that was making me fairly unhappy.
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03:03<jm_>no worries
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03:41<fred___>hello can you help me ? apache dont start with php5
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05:19<smhar>I have sound working in gnome with my main user. I just added another user and added him to audio group, but I still can not get sound with him. I get this error: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
05:20<jm_>did you exit and login again after adding the user to the group "audio"?
05:21<smhar>yes, I even killed X twice
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05:22<jm_>what about .asoundrc file?
05:22<jm_>do simple tools like amixer/alsamixer/aplay work?
05:24<smhar>alsamixer works
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05:24<jm_>hmm I never used gstreamer, but check its preferences - selected audio device etc.
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05:25<smhar>ok it works now. but the speaker icon in the task bar doesnot. also the headphone doesnot
05:26<smhar>headphone works, icon doesnot
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05:29<emydvx>Ciao - Hi
05:30<dpkg>emydvx: VATTENE VIA
05:31<emydvx>sto imparando, scusate....
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05:35<norbert_>hi there
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05:35<norbert_>I installed a OCRA font system wide and I would like Iceweasel to be able to use it...
05:35<Bleupomme>hello I have a problem with mysql. I tried to upgrade from mysql-server-5.0 to mysql-server-5.1 but it failled, what can I do?
05:35<norbert_>for this thing:
05:36<jm_>norbert_: and?
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05:38<norbert_>and... it doesn't work, the output doesn't look like
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05:38<norbert_>(where I wrote OCRA, I meant OCRB)
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05:39<norbert_>fontforge does show the right font
05:39<norbert_>I installed it with both cp -i *.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/; fc-cache -f _and_ cp -i *.ttf ~/.fonts
05:40<norbert_>I'm not sure what to do next...
05:40<norbert_>the PDF in the output of the script on that website shows another font on my machine
05:40<jm_>does iceweasel show it in the font selection dialog?
05:40<sheldonh>apticron notifies me of pending package upgrades. i remember a tool that automatically applied updates it thought were safe, and notified me of others. anyone remember what it's called?
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05:41<sheldonh>jm_: ltns. still slaving away at improving the debian community experience? :)
05:41<norbert_>yes, under Serif and under Sans-serif and under Monospace
05:41<norbert_>not under Proportional
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05:41<jm_>sheldonh: indeed ;)
05:42<themill>norbert_: this is in the PDF output? That's not an iceweasel setting
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05:42<norbert_>themill: yes, I think you're right
05:42<norbert_>themill: any ideas why evince isn't showing the right font?
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05:43<norbert_>(kpdf isn't either)
05:44<jm_>it probably uses a font as specified in the PDF
05:44<sheldonh>jm_: i take my hat off to you. i did a couple of years of, and that was more than enough
05:44<norbert_>yeah, some people seem to be here always :)
05:45<norbert_>like jm_ and themill
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05:45<jm_>sheldonh: the big advantage in helping people like this is you can decide when you want to help and what to help with
05:46<xeon-enouf>... and you learn more while watching others help others ;-)
05:46<sheldonh>hmmm... free will
05:47<themill>norbert_: the pdf doesn't seem to be using that font though, it claims to be using Courier.
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05:48<norbert_>themill: it defaults to something else when you don't have OCR-B (or A) installed when you pick those at 5.
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05:48<sheldonh>anyway, i think i've answered my own question on this one... cron-apt
05:48<sheldonh>but looking at it, i think i know why i forgot :)
05:49<jm_>sheldonh: I considered that, but does it really upgrade just some packages?
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05:49<themill>norbert_: I mean the PDF references "Courier" font, not OCR-B etc
05:49<xeon-enouf>sheldonh: there are/were update-* pkgs for gnome, IIRC - not sure how well they work though
05:49<sheldonh>jm_: i think so, ja
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05:49<themill>norbert_: the eps file references OCRB though
05:49<xeon-enouf>sheldonh: i try to use apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs
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05:50<xeon-enouf>s/to// heh
05:50<jm_>yeah it might work if you alias courier to ocr, probably not a good idea in general
05:51<norbert_>hum... so, the on-line script does not work properly?
05:52<sheldonh>xeon-enouf: we're looking at how to streamline upgrades across more than 1,300 servers. currently, we have a few lab boxes using apticron, and then we respond by changing the minimum version numbers in our puppet recipes
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05:52<themill>norbert_: works fine if you use the EPS files. Not so sure about the PDFs though.
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05:52<sheldonh>jm_: have you seen ksplice yet? :)
05:53<jm_>sheldonh: I have read about it a while ago on lwn, haven't seen it in action
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05:53<norbert_>themill: ok, did you use "OCR-B" or "OCRB" to get it to work with eps?
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05:53<sheldonh>jm_: available for ubuntu only at this stage. they're taking enquiries for others, including Debian 4.0 and Debian 5.0. dynamite stuff
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05:54<jm_>sheldonh: true, it would be an awesome future for many administrator
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05:54<themill>norbert_: I've not verified that it's using the right font in the rendering, only that it's using the right font in the EPS
05:55<sheldonh>jm_: what i also find exciting, is that the same approach could be applied to userland. anyway, probably more the domain of #debian-chat :)
05:56<xeon-enouf>hrm .. I'm using "lpr filename" to print a text doc, and i've set cpi=18 with 'lpoptions', and running that command shows that (and other info), but cpi isn't in the manpage, and how do i set margins? (BTW, my printer seems to not get _all_ the tabbed spacing correct and overwrites text on ~1 random line per page)
05:56<jm_>sheldonh: not as easy there - you still need kernel to stop the process first
05:56<xeon-enouf>searching for 'margin' in man page == zilch
05:56<jm_>xeon-enouf: what I do I simply use xpp to learn about the options ;)
05:57<sheldonh>jm_: eh? can't they just hotmod the running process code?
05:57<xeon-enouf>jm_: is that a pkgname?
05:57<jm_>sheldonh: well you need to stop it executing first
05:57<jm_>xeon-enouf: yup, a front-end to lp etc.
05:57<xeon-enouf>jm_: cool - thanks ;-)
05:57<jm_>it's one of those downsides of CUPS - poor documentation
05:58<xeon-enouf>jm_: maybe i can do it through the CUPS url? http://localhost:631 ?
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05:59<xeon-enouf>jm_: i recall seeing many printer 'options' when trying to just get the darn thing to print :-P anyway, i'll try that too ;-)
05:59<norbert_>themill: ok; I tried opening the eps with The GIMP and with evince, but the right font is not shown :| any ideas on how I can fix this problem?
05:59<sheldonh>jm_: hmmmm. what's different about the kernel, that ksplice only needs to interrupt it for a moment?
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06:00<norbert_>maybe I need to change OCRB to "ocrb10" since that's the name of the ttf and also what fontforge says...
06:00<jm_>xeon-enouf: ahh you mean configure the margins? I think they are not there
06:00<norbert_>sweet success
06:01<slush>!congratulate norbert_
06:01<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies norbert_, you did it!
06:01<jm_>sheldonh: I meant more like that it will need some kernel side help too, it's not as simple as it may sound at first I believe
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06:03<jm_>norbert_: you mean in the EPS file?
06:04<norbert_>no, I had to change field #5. from "OCRB" to "ocrb10"
06:04<norbert_>(because that's what the OCRB font is called on my system)
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06:05<norbert_>and then the eps works (pdf does not, as themill wrote)
06:05<jm_>ahh on the page I see it now
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06:06<jm_>yeah xlsfonts to get font names
06:07<sheldonh>jm_: ah, yes. i think kernel assistance is a requirement. still, could get fun :)
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06:09<Kiru>Anyone with some xen-lenny experiences ?
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06:46<lancelot_of> please help! i've just upgraded my debian testing and among other packages xserver was upgraded. since that, my x is really slow! any x application takes a lot of memory and if i take a look in "top", i see xorg is taking 90-99 % of my eeepc cpu!ho to restore previous situation?
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07:15<tdn>I have just upgraded from Etch to Lenny and I got this dialog during upgrade: It is telling me to upgrade my postgresql clusters. I have read the man page for pg_upgradecluster (which is referenced in the dialog), but I am not sure what I am supposed to do. I hope you can give me some pointers.
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07:19<xeon-enouf>jm_: thanks again, that xpp really helps - after messing around with it and various lpoptions -o option=name:value, and much paper wasted, i finally got a decent result (but there's still this weird overwriting it does)
07:19<xeon-enouf>(must be a ppd kink?)
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07:20<jm_>xeon-enouf: ohh it can write to ~/.cups/lptoptions so you don't have to specify them each time
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07:20<jm_>.lpoptions even
07:20<xeon-enouf>ok - thanks jm_ ahhh
07:20<jm_>and without '.' :)
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07:21<xeon-enouf>tdn: perhaps dpkg -L <postgre*-packagname> | grep doc (and see /usr/share/man/* ?)
07:21<jm_>xeon-enouf: yes I've seen some weird effects with my panasonic printer too, but I think it was OK after I made margins much bigger - it's a shame I fucked two really compact lasers by cleaning them :)
07:22<jm_>yeah there should be notes in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/README* files
07:22<jm_>yup that one
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07:22<tdn>xeon-enouf, I am not afraid of reading man pages, and I am doing just that. But I do not fully understand what to do. I am sorry, but I was hoping for some help in here.
07:24<xeon-enouf>tdn: i don't know - just offering what i can .. might try a PostGRE specific channel(though i realize ours is "debianized" versions ;-)) - also try #debian, et al
07:25<xeon-enouf>tdn: and FWIW, i wasn't referring to man pages
07:25<tdn>xeon-enouf, /usr/share/man/* isn't man pages?
07:25<xeon-enouf>ohcrap- my bad - i _did_ type "/usr/share/man/*" .. i meant /usr/share/doc
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07:26<xeon-enouf>if you ran that command, you'd see only "/usr/share/doc/..." would return
07:26<xeon-enouf>(in most cases)
07:26<xeon-enouf>sue me
07:26<tdn>xeon-enouf, I already read the READMEs and README.debians in /usr/share/doc. I have an idea of what to do, but I am not sure I understand. But this being databases, I think it would be nice to know if what I do is safe.
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07:27<xeon-enouf>i understand
07:27<tdn>xeon-enouf, I have asked in freenode, but got no reply. I have also tried #postgresql without reply. I think they often dislike people asking for modified distributions (debianized version of pgsql).
07:28<xeon-enouf>tdn: yeah ... even #mplayer can be like that :-P
07:28<xeon-enouf>(and apache, etc etc)
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07:40<stuckey>How do I tell the time from the command line?
07:41<xeon-enouf>tdn: see my recent replies to you over at freenode, if you like
07:41<xeon-enouf>stuckey: date
07:41<petemc>stuckey: date
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07:41*xeon-enouf likes that 'cal' app ;-)
07:42<tdn>xeon-enouf, yeah. Thanks!
07:42<petemc>xeon-enouf: cal 9 1752
07:43<petemc>its old but good
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09:11<albins>Um, wait. My /bin/sh symlink is GONE!?!??!
09:12<slush>yeah, we ate it
09:12<albins>I’ve been having an unusual amount of problems with sid recently
09:13<petemc>thats unusual?
09:13<slush>well, that's part of using unstable .. you never know what hits you
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09:14<albins>I suppose so. I’ve had very few problems with it up until now though.
09:14<albins>Too bad downgrading to stable isn’t possible and reinstalling is so much of a hazzle
09:14<albins>Is there any way of isolating your modified configuration files, by the way?
09:15<petemc>there should be a backup in the same dir
09:15<stevecotton>albins: apt-listbugs is your friend (it tells you about serious bugs before you install a package)
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09:15<albins>stevecotton: Thanks! I didn’t know about that.
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09:16<stevecotton>it really should be better-advertised as a requirement for running unstable
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09:24<kepz>is possible to get answers to a stupid beginners question?
09:25<sheldonh>there, see? :)
09:25<kepz>:9 I'm having problem with the istallation of nvidia drivers to my geforce 6800
09:26<sheldonh>dpkg: nvidia one-liner
09:26<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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09:43<tdn>How do I get libopencore installed in Debian Lenny? I have added debian-multimedia sources. But still no opencore packages. Appearently.
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09:46<sporkboy>I don't guess anybody feels like doing a custom build of webconverger for me?
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09:48<sporkboy>(apparently, it /requires/ straight debian, and I'm on ubuntu)
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09:49<bja>sporkboy: i believe you are better off asking in #ubuntu @
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09:49<sporkboy>bja: I think all the people in #ubuntu probably run ubuntu.
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09:50<Freddie>Question, i have latest debian, and xfce, i have ice weasel open, and on the right side there is no option to minimize, maximix, or close the windows,
09:50<gsimmons>tdn: libopencore-* are not listed as available packages for stable in DMM, only testing and unstable.
09:50<jonatas>Use alt+f4 kkk
09:50<tdn>gsimmons, ok. Can I use these testing packages in Lenny?
09:50<Freddie>this is same for all other programs,
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09:51<Freddie>jontas, who was that to?
09:51<tdn>gsimmons, can I just add "eb testing main
09:52<tdn>gsimmons, "deb testing main" even. To my sources.list?
09:52<tdn>And install opencore?
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09:55<tdn>gsimmons, ?
09:56<Freddie>alt+f4 kkk doesnt accomplish anything, i am using vnc on remote vpn
09:56<dr|z3d>menu -> accessories -> terminal
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10:03<Freddie>how can i exit out of iceweasel? i go to file exit and nothing happens
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10:04<bja>Freddie: Try ctr w it should close the existing tab
10:04<Freddie>existing tab or whole iceweasaL
10:05<Freddie>well i just went to file, quite, and FINALLy it closed
10:05<Freddie>bja, this has been happening to everything i open, there is no box on the upper right to close
10:06<bja>existing tab, but if there is only one it should close itself, unless you have vimperator installed, ctr q should close it also
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10:06<bja>Freddie: i don't know the reason, usually ctr w works and if doesn't , usually ctr q works fine
10:07<Freddie>i will try
10:08<Freddie>oh the the system tray disappeared as well
10:08<bja>Freddie: sorry, too many years without one, can't help you there
10:09<Freddie>no system tray? u joking :D
10:10<Freddie>ctr + w works, thanks
10:10<bja>Freddie: X is only used whenever i am in the mood to edit photos or view a movie, which is seldom
10:11<Freddie>is x lighter than xfce?
10:11<bja>Freddie: Every program has its own key asigned to the destroy function, therefore you have to look into the menus to look for the accelerator inside of it
10:11<bja>Freddie: i am talking about the X server
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10:35<dpkg>Samba is a UNIX implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). Documentation resources: ("Using Samba, 3rd Edition" not yet available online), Backported Samba 3.3.4 packages for Lenny are available, ask me about <>. #samba on
10:35<stejashree>hello :)
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10:36<stejashree>i've got a peculiar problem. i've got debian unstable installed on an amd64 machine with 2.6.30-1-686 kernel
10:36<stejashree>whenever i scroll in a window or resize or move a window, cpu usage of X goes crazy, reaching 90-100%
10:37<stejashree>however, the problem stops when i install fglrx modules
10:37<stejashree>but after installing fglrx, my kde window manager goes for a toss
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10:37<stejashree>there are no close/minimize/maximize icons; i can't even open any other application
10:38<stejashree>can someone please suggest a solution
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10:41<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
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10:47<smhar>I just installed Pan and I am trying to connect to an news server, but the 'connection' stage seems to take for ever. is this normal
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10:59<bblah>can someone tell me what happened to the synaptics driver in the recent upgrade of squeeze?
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11:09<oznt>hi everyone, I can't run a cgi script on a virtual host accessible from localhost/mywiki. All I get is the cgi text. Can someone review my apache conf ?
11:09<oznt>I created separate file for a site called mywiki under /sites-availible
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11:11<bja>oznt: apt-get install apache2-doc ; http://localhost/manual there you can find the info you need to check you conf :)
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11:12<oznt>bja, well I appreciate this :-) would you be kind enough to look at my paste ?
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11:13<oznt>myproblem with virtualhosts documentation is that it always assumes I have a domain. But I don't
11:13<oznt>I just want to access different websites from localhost/<different sites>
11:14<petemc>oznt: i had to uncomment a line for a handler in mime.conf to get cgi scripts working
11:14<oznt>petemc, I have other cgi scripts running on this machine. The problem is just with this particular virtual host and I can't figure out why
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11:15<oznt>petemc, can you tell me please what I got wrong ?
11:16<bja>oznt: check that you enabled that specific directory to run cgi scripts
11:16<bja>btw you didn't post any links to your conf
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11:16<oznt>bja, I did here
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11:26<sylar>I have a raid6 mdadm which is 6 times slower than it should be
11:26<sylar>please help
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11:27<oznt>bja, I have in the file the option Options +ExecCGI under the directory, but it does not work, any suggestion ?
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11:28<bja>i'm taking a look right now to your post and actually i'm doing some editing :-)
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11:29<zem>mbr is allways on first partition, no matter where grub is installed, right?
11:29<bja>zem: afaik mbr is on mbr not on any partition, but let someone correct me if i am lying
11:30<zem>i just wonder, if i remove my first partition, will i be still able to boot? windows are installed on it, and i don't need them any more
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11:31<bja>compare it to your original file and see if it works, afaik it shoul
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11:36<oznt>bja, thanks, but i can't get it running
11:36<oznt>bja, now I only see a white page
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11:37<oznt>bja, and I don't see any error in my apache log
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11:37<bja>is it safe to use gcc 4.4 when it has 100 regressions still to correct?
11:38<bja>oznt: now your script is running, now is up to the script to output the correct info
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11:39<oznt>bja, so you mean my script is running but the output is lost somewhere ?
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11:44<bja>oznt: i mean that the apache server is executing the script, whatever is wrong is part of the scipt
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11:45<oznt>bja, i don't think so. About an hour ago It was running perfectly. Until I notice my configuration was running over another web site of my. So I tried to split the files. This cause this mess which I can't solve.
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11:47<bja>oznt: check that your script doesn't use the prior url for any reason
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11:47<oznt>bja, if I have the following configuration - the script is running fine. I.e my wiki is accessible, but I can't access my other site on sibra/
11:47<zem>is it normal that my debian claims it has over 40gb without home directory :/
11:47<petemc>zem: what?
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11:47<oznt>bja, this file is the problematic config
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11:50<kop>zem: "has"?
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11:51<kapil>zem: perhaps /var/cache/apt/archives/ has a lot of files?
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11:54<petemc>zem: you can use du to check space usage
11:54<bja>oznt: do a diff on the file i sent you, the same mistake i believe is on the other parts of your conf file. Sorry i can't keep on reviewing you conf files, i have to go now
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11:57<mib_vo7jn0xq>why would this be running on my system?: root 5523 1.7 0.3 3152 1680 ? RL 07:31 1:23 arecord -c 1 -f S16_LE -r 8000 -t raw
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12:01<themill>mib_vo7jn0xq: something is doing audio recording? a text-to-speech program perhaps?
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12:02<mib_vo7jn0xq>themill: I can't imagine what it would be.
12:03<mib_vo7jn0xq>it starts automaticaly
12:03<themill>Have a look at its parent pid to see what started it
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12:03<dpkg>hmm... ppid is Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid"
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12:06<mib_vo7jn0xq>root 5522 0.0 0.0 1636 320 ? S 07:31 0:03 /usr/sbin/randomsound -D
12:06<mib_vo7jn0xq>don't know what this is either
12:08<zem>ok, found my "missing" disk space
12:09<themill>judd info randomsound
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12:09<mib_vo7jn0xq>how do I stop the arecord from starting automaticaly on my system?
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12:10<bollkalle>is there any official grub-chanel on thiis server?
12:10<themill> judd info randomsound
12:10<themill>dpkg, fix judd
12:10*dpkg takes judd to the vet for a "special" visit.
12:10<zem>here is my disc: Any simple way to move debian from /dev/sda3 to /dev/sda1, and mount /dev/sda3 as home?
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12:11<cahoot>edit /etc/default/randomsound?
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12:11<themill>mib_vo7jn0xq: there's a package called "randomsound" on your machine. In principle it helps provide entropy for cryptography. You should be able to uninstall the package
12:11<bollkalle>zem: if i are not wrong, you can just do mount -t <fstype> /dev/sda3 /home
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12:12<zem>bollkalle: my debian install is on dev/sda3
12:12<zem>so i have to move that to dev/sda1 first
12:12<bollkalle>that do i not know right now.
12:12<bollkalle>why do you want that?
12:13<rudepeople>good morning ladies and gentlemen (and applicable sudo-humanoid thingies)... I am having the devil of a time enableing compiz in debian... any recomended reading material on the subject?
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12:13<bollkalle>zem: what is the point to move apartition?
12:13<zem>because i want to rearange my partitions, want separate root and home partitions, want to remove all fat partitions and make them ext3
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12:14<bollkalle>zem: ok, otherwise you can mount /dev/sd1 as home.
12:14<bollkalle>why is it sometimes called sda and sometimes hda?
12:14<rudepeople>never mind... It seems Dr Google has saved the day.
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12:15<zem>and i would like my debian partition as first on disk :/
12:15<bollkalle>Dr Google has not helped me yet. :(
12:15<bollkalle>zem: okay, that is a good idea.
12:15<mib_vo7jn0xq>I can just stop it via rcconf? I read the man page, but I still don't understand the meaning of this package (randomsound).
12:15<zem>because i realy don't want my root partition in middle of my disk
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12:15<zem>and yet i would like to do that without reinstalling
12:16<themill>mib_vo7jn0xq: do you do lots of encrypted connections with that machine?
12:16<bollkalle>i do have a problem too.
12:16<bollkalle>i dont know if it is good to speek about it here.
12:16<themill>mib_vo7jn0xq: if you don't then you can probably cope quite happily without that package so just uninstall it
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12:17<bollkalle>it is most a grub problem
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12:17<bollkalle>is there any good grub channel here?
12:17<mib_vo7jn0xq>themill: no encrypted connections
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12:18<Vyrus001>i have a hard drive that was formated ext4 when the default debian driver was flagged as "test"... i have since updated one of the computers i use with the drive and it "autoremoved" the "test" flag from the filesystem... this means that my un updated system will not recognize the drive as it is "ext4" not "ext4-test". Which part of my system do i update to enable it to recognize the drive?
12:19<speedyb0y>omg D:
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12:19<speedyb0y>i did a test on ext4... time taken: 32 seconds; reiserfs: 8 seconds D:
12:20<bollkalle>does anybody here have a good experience of grub?
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12:22<bollkalle>hello erin!
12:22<jthomas_sb_>How can i get the IP Address of a samba server, from its netbios name? i tried connecting and looking at IPTraf but I seem to be sending packets to everything in that workgroup
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12:24<mib_vo7jn0xq>themill: thanx.
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12:26<mib_vo7jn0xq>themill: so I'm guessing that randomsound is using arecord to record random sound for encryption purposes? even though I don't have a built in microphone -- in which case it wouldn't make sense?
12:26<zem>should i go ext4 or stick with ext3?
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12:27<themill>mib_vo7jn0xq: it may be picking up enough noise anyway from the amplifiers, but no, it's probably not worth it unless you need lots and lots of random numbers
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12:27<Txt_file>zem: what do you want to do with the fs?
12:27<zem>Txt_file: have debian installation on it
12:27<bollkalle>how do i do if grub thinks my partition is what it not is? ??
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12:28<Txt_file>zem: then I would stay with ext3
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12:29<mib_vo7jn0xq>themill: i.e. I can just rcconf it off, yes?
12:29<themill>mib_vo7jn0xq: yes, or uninstall the package
12:29<rotciv>hello, is anyobody here using an hp pavilion
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12:30<Txt_file>rotciv: what's your problem with it?
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12:30<mib_vo7jn0xq>themill: this leads me to a question of how do I know which services are necessary to run at system start -- there are an awful lot of them
12:30<biblio>buenas alguien habla español?
12:30<biblio>q es esto???
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12:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:32<biblio>q cosa mas rara xd
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12:44<sylar>which channel support mdadm?
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12:44<azeem>sylar: you can ask here
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12:45<sylar>azeem, I have asked, no one answered
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12:45<sylar>my mdadm performs bellow expectations
12:45<Txt_file>sylar: then try it again.
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12:46<sylar>7/8 disks raid level6 mdadm, each disk does 97MB/s on parallel dd if=disk of=/dev/null
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12:47<sylar>but the raid device does only 140MB/s
12:47<valdyn>sylar: try with O_DIRECT
12:47<sylar>I tried with iflag=direct
12:48<sylar>valdyn, what is O_DIRECT? C?
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12:49<sylar>anyway my thinking is that maybe it will be better when I have 8/8 disks
12:49<bblah>hi everyone...can someone tell me how to automatically enable the scrolling feature on my synaptics touch pad?
12:49<sylar>and another thing, is that my LVM performance is only 40MB/s
12:50<sylar>which totally sucks
12:50<valdyn>sylar: run "hdparm --direct -T /dev/md0"
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12:50<sylar> Timing O_DIRECT cached reads: 1342 MB in 2.00 seconds = 670.54 MB/sec
12:51<sylar>valdyn, is that the cache?
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12:51<sylar> Timing O_DIRECT disk reads: 342 MB in 3.01 seconds = 113.60 MB/sec
12:51<sylar>tested -t
12:52<valdyn>sylar: -t is benchmarking your ram speed
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12:52<valdyn>sylar: 670 MB/sec means you have a crappy computer
12:53<sylar>valdyn, my RAM speed is 113MB/s ??
12:53<valdyn>sylar: err nm
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12:53<valdyn>sylar: nah, im wrong, it basically benchmarks your ram if you run "hdparm -t /dev/md0" ( without --direct )
12:54<sylar>why 670MB/s means I have a crappy computer?
12:55<valdyn>sylar: i just said im wrong
12:56<sylar>it is interesting that it can do 670MB/s while sata2 is only 3Gpps=375MB/s
12:56<valdyn>sylar: that is not testing your disks
12:56<sylar>that is my disk's cache I think
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12:57<sylar>still goes through the SATA2 cabling
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12:57<valdyn>sylar: not really
12:57<Gathond>sylar: that cache is the kernels not the disks
12:57<sylar>perhaps ICH10R has more then single sata2 bandwidth
12:58<Gathond>sylar: your kernel has a disk cache
12:58<valdyn>sylar: ich10R sure has more than single sata2 bandwidth
12:58<valdyn>Gathond: except that we arent using that cache with O_DIRECT
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12:58<Gathond>valdyn: right
12:58<Gathond>missed that bit
12:58<sylar>so it is my hds?
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12:59<valdyn>sylar: I used to get roughly linear scaled performance on my raid 5 *with* O_DIRECT
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13:03<sylar>ok,now to the stage where I say,
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13:03<sylar>anyone knows where mdadm is supported?
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13:07<donovanw>need help setting up ftp server - anyone ?
13:07<Txt_file>!tell donovanw about vsftpd
13:08<xbytemx>how i can know if a package was stripped?
13:08<donovanw>what is vsftpd
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13:09<Txt_file>donovanw: did you read what dpkg has said you?
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13:10<donovanw>i did a standard install from the net (debian rel 5)
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13:11<donovanw>selected web server
13:11<chealer>!tell donovanw about anyone
13:11<sylar>donovanw, vsftpd is an ftp server, there is a channel for it in freenode #vsftpd
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13:13<donovanw>does debian come with an ftp server ? and what is the name of the package ?
13:14<Txt_file>donovanw: ist called vsftpd and you can read more about it in the wiki
13:14<donovanw>ok i will do that now
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13:40<zem>what's the use of mnt folder? and if it's for mounting, what's the use of media folder?
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13:41<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or
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13:41<themill>zem: /media and /mnt have entries describing them at
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13:46<zem>if media is for removable media, and mnt for temporary, where should i mount my other partitions, not removable, and not realy temporary?
13:47<Txt_file>zem: the different is also that media is schown at most de and mnt isn't
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14:07<nextime>zem: /in/your/preferred/path/with/sense/for/what/you/need/to/mount ?
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14:51<sdsdsd>Guys, i have listened about "using your GPU to compile something", it works?
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14:54<sdsdsd>i mean, anyone have some news about it?
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15:00<rudepeople>question: how well developed are matrox drivers for debain these days?
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15:02<Txt_file>rudepeople: That's the common matrox-driver. I don't know what versions are in the debian repos
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15:03<rudepeople>Txt_file: thank you.
15:04<rudepeople>I've been an nvidia fan and an ATI hater... untill I moved to debian... driver failures are proving to be unacceptable.
15:05<Txt_file>yeah the fglrx-driver is also a big problem for me ... and with the radeon I can't play 3D-games
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15:07<rudepeople>Yeah... and in looking over Matrox cards... I find myself significantly UNDER-whelmed.
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15:08<rudepeople>Can anyone recommend a GOOD graphics soloution? something with decent 3d acceleration, little to NO driver problems, and with multi-display support (quad display support is preferred)
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15:10<adama>other than having to recompile the driver each kernel release, I have no problem with nvidia. I use the <nvidia m-a> method, as described by dpkg here
15:10<adama>i.e. /msg dpkg nvidia m-a
15:11<rudepeople>yeah. I know about the nvidia install. I successfully did it last week several times... no my problem is that in debian the nvidia module and software are weak at best... heck compiz looks bad and BARELY works.
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15:11<adama>works great for me... what card do you have?
15:12<rudepeople>however same card (same PC) in several other distros that are "nvidia friendly" everything is great! I LOVE debian... very clean... but the nvidia solution is just plain horrible.
15:12<rudepeople>geforce 7400 go (Dell XPS m1210)
15:12<rudepeople>and seperately dual geforce 8800s... same issues
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15:13<adama>I have the same laptop, same card. It did start acting quite bad after upgrading to sid but worked great on lenny and squeeze
15:14<rudepeople>I'm running squeeze now.
15:14<adama>I also have a desktop with a 8500 and it works great (lenny)
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15:15<rudepeople>My problem is I appear to have no real 3d support! I can run glxgears fine. but when I load regnum (3d mmo) I get nothing on screen but the UI~
15:15<rudepeople>I dunno...
15:15<fgh>im running squeeze and did safe-upgrade today. now my screen is a mess. maybe i should use an older xserver for my gfx, can i do that?
15:15<Txt_file>I have here a 8600GS and this also works great (since a week)
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15:29<daedalus-sax>say what command do i use from the debian live cd to install to hd/
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15:30<daedalus-sax>can anyone tell me how to install debian live i386 to the hard drive?
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15:31<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
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15:38<ComradeHaz>Hi all, I have a couple of problems I'm trying to solve. Firstly, and nice and easy, I expect, how do I change teh default boot option for Grub2? Second, I'm suffering from the following hplip bug, but cannot get anything from lpq, which the following suggests is my answer. Please advise!
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15:38<daedalus-sax>what i am looking for is a way to take the live cd, because the live cd is minus the 3 billion metric tons of hassle the normal debian setup has, and put that on my hard drive. i am a noob when it comes to amazingly overcomplicated and badly documented os's. Please help me!
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15:39<ComradeHaz>when you say put it on daedalus-sax, do you mean install?
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15:40<daedalus-sax>i have used a multitude of live cd's, all with a "install" feature. I am hoping the debian live cd has this option, but i am really not certain what the community calls it...??
15:40<cahoot>daedalus-sax: oblique way on asjing for assistance
15:40<sney>you should probably ask in #debian-live
15:41<daedalus-sax>hmm, didn't know that channel existed, thank you.
15:41<ComradeHaz>daedalus-sax: you're not making a whole lot of sense
15:41<sney>it's right on the first page of the debian-life website, yes, completely hidden and all that
15:41<sney>er -live
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15:42<daedalus-sax>i want a super simple way of installing debian minus download 300 thousand packages afterwards, or making my own custom iso. the live cd seemed to be the best way about it.
15:42<cahoot>why even consider using a ' badly documented os'?
15:42<ComradeHaz>right. That's what I thought you were saying. I doubt you're right about that
15:42<ComradeHaz>installing with net install is probably the best way to just install what you want
15:43<sney>#debian-live may be able to assist you in cloning the livecd environment to your hard drive. #debian will tell you that using netinst with tasksel is pretty painless, if slightly time consuming (faster than a windows install though), and ranting about your personal convenience is totally off topic
15:43<tuxcrafter>how can i stop dhcp called from the /etc/network/interfaces file to add dns and default gateways?
15:43<daedalus-sax>because as badly documented as it is (and that's from a layman's view) it is the center of the best distro on the planet, ubuntu. but i work for a non profit that gives away 500 mhz machines, and omg, ubuntu is exceptionally slow on them, especially 9.04
15:44<ComradeHaz>tuxcrafter: can you slightyly rephrase?
15:44<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic
15:44<ComradeHaz>not quite sure what you mean, tuxcrafter
15:45<daedalus-sax>i love that your bot is named dpkg
15:45<ComradeHaz>she loves your name too
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15:45<dpkg>I'm lesbian
15:45<ComradeHaz>Fancy that, so's comradeBob
15:45<ComradeHaz>they should meet up :D
15:45<daedalus-sax>ok ill go there. but on topic, if i where a guy just starting linux, going to the main page, well, i would be very overwhelmed.
15:45<donovanw>How do i configure the mail server on debian 5 -help
15:46<tuxcrafter>ComradeHaz: well i have some special tinc and bridge setup and i use the /etc/network/interfaces to get dhcp ip for some interface
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15:46<tuxcrafter>but the dhcp also replaces my /etc/resolv.conf dns
15:46<tuxcrafter>that should not happen
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15:47<tuxcrafter>but i dont know how to confige /etc/network/interfaces to not replace the dns when dhcp is used
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15:47<themill>tuxcrafter: /msg dpkg override dns
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15:48<ComradeHaz>tuxcrafter: do you have resolvconf installed?
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15:48<donovanw>How do i configure the mail server
15:48*ComradeHaz points out he asked some questions too :P
15:48<tuxcrafter>ComradeHaz: nope
15:49<ComradeHaz>tuxcrafter: that might help
15:49<ComradeHaz>I went through this and forgot how I fiixed it, but I think that played a big part
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15:50<ComradeHaz>(assuming I understand your problem correctly. there's always a chance I don't, I'm no pro!) (yet ;) )
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15:53<tuxcrafter>i got a ppp0 interface
15:53<tuxcrafter>that one sets the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf
15:53<tuxcrafter>then there are some other interfaces comming up
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15:53<tuxcrafter>and they should not change the nameservers
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15:53<valdyn>tuxcrafter: chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
15:53<tuxcrafter>but now they do
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15:54<tuxcrafter>valdyn: that just evil ;)
15:54<valdyn>tuxcrafter: its simple and easy
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15:54<ComradeHaz>hmm, maybe I didn;t understand your problem :)
15:54<ComradeHaz>anyway, oi! You lot! My turn!
15:54<mjt>he wants the nameserver to come via dhcp from a specific interface
15:55<ComradeHaz>Hi all, I have a couple of problems I'm trying to solve. Firstly, and nice and easy, I expect, how do I change teh default boot option for Grub2? Second, I'm suffering from the following hplip bug, but cannot get anything from lpq, which the following suggests is my answer. Please advise!
15:55<mjt>not from others
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15:55<ComradeHaz>I see
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15:56<daedalus-sax>can anyone here please point me to an idiot's version of debian, besides the 'buntu's. i want a debian like system with a super easy installer and all in a live cd distro
15:56<Txt_file>ComradeHaz: take a look at /boot/grub/grub2.conf ... or something like this
15:56<valdyn>daedalus-sax: ubuntu is not easy enough?
15:57<daedalus-sax>ubuntu is too much of a resource hog for what i am doing
15:57<mjt>heh. new definition. "Ubuntu is idiot's version of debian" :)
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15:57<daedalus-sax>well thats pretty much true
15:57<mjt>"debian for dummies" :)
15:57<valdyn>daedalus-sax: just like with debian you do not have to install everything in ubuntu
15:57<Bernd_amd64>i try to install debian at my new notebook but i doesnt work
15:58<ComradeHaz>daedalus-sax: Debian really isn;t that hard, I'm pretty damn noob still and I started with a debian net install disk
15:58<daedalus-sax>xubuntu is just a little better. looking for a footprint in the dsl to knoppix live cd range, small and fast
15:58<ml|>ComradeHaz: change boot option? your not suppose to edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg btw
15:58<Bernd_amd64>it´s an intel t4200 should i use IA64 ?
15:58<valdyn>Bernd_amd64: no
15:59<mjt>or i386
15:59<daedalus-sax>ill be honest you guys, this is gonna have to be done by people that can barely wrap there heads around dos. i have them installing ubuntu with ease, but like i said it's slow. am i missing a debian page that could help me? i'm looking for download burn reboot, and install. that simple.
15:59<Bernd_amd64>really ? ok ... but amd64 said i doesnt have any "driver" for my cd/DVD
16:00<mjt>Bernd_amd64: ia64 doesn't have any driver for your _processor)
16:00<ComradeHaz>uh, seems unlikely Bernd_amd64
16:00<Txt_file>daedalus-sax: Debian netinstall??
16:00<ml|>dpkg: tell daedalus-sax about install guide
16:00<Bernd_amd64>yes netinstall
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16:00<Bernd_amd64>should i use single CD 650 MB install of amd64 ?
16:01<daedalus-sax>no, see thats too download heavy. i want a distro i can download once and then procreate on many machines. netinstall takes up the same bandwidth over and over again on stuff that should already be on the cd. maybe osdisc has a good debian
16:01<valdyn>Bernd_amd64: you should read the install guide before asking us
16:01<mjt>daedalus-sax: use a caching proxy?
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16:01<ml|>dpkg: tell Bernd_amd64 about install guide
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16:01<jpinx>daedalus-sax: see the pages in for multiple installs
16:01<Bernd_amd64>it´s not the first time i do this ... but never had any problems
16:02<tuxcrafter>i will have a look at the nameserver issue when i get home
16:02<daedalus-sax>i have, over and over and over agiain. i dont see simple. i have many years of linux under my belt, these people are lucky to be able to hit an ok button when needed.
16:02<valdyn>!tell Bernd_amd64 -about ask
16:02<ml|>Bernd_amd64: daedalus-sax read the message from dpkg in your irc client
16:02<valdyn>daedalus-sax: then you would knowt hat you can use dd to clone installs
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16:03<daedalus-sax>right, but i am not gonna be there except about 5 % of the time
16:03<valdyn>daedalus-sax: unless you dont really want to have identical installs..
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16:03<daedalus-sax>please forgive me, but that guide wont work for someone who can barely install ubuntu.
16:04<valdyn>daedalus-sax: you can create a custom install disk
16:04<ml|>yes it can if you read it and take your time
16:04<valdyn>daedalus-sax: but i think we dont know really what you need because you didnt tell us
16:05<daedalus-sax>ok guys, thanx for the help. i will look for another distro, not you fault, it's just not a simple distro. anyone know of a xfce, very light weight distro that can still use a package manager like synaptic.
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16:06<Txt_file>daedalus-sax: yeah I know one ... Its called Debian
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16:06<valdyn>Txt_file: its to hard
16:06<Txt_file>to hard for what?
16:07<sney>too hard for daedalus-sax's short attention span and need for clicky buttons
16:07<valdyn>Txt_file: i dont know, the reading impaired i guess, or people without enter key
16:07<Txt_file>yeah ... sounds so
16:07<zem>you can do without enter key
16:07<daedalus-sax>the people i am having do this task can barely use windows. understand? they can't do what you want of them. and they dont have very good broadband, so netinstall is out. i will be there to help, about 3 hours a week, thatsb it
16:07<valdyn>i can install debian without enter key?
16:08<valdyn>zem: damn, i didnt know that
16:08<sney>I could probably script a custom net installer to install debian base, and then xfce4 and all of its dependencies, and I've never even done that before. daedalus-sax could probably do it too, if he attempted it instead of whining about documentation on an internet chat room. then all his special users would have to do is insert cd and press enter
16:08<sney>but whining is so much more fun!!
16:09<zem>valdyn: there must be a way ^^
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16:10<daedalus-sax>i hope you will forgive me, but i am very busy. i dont have the time to do this for them. the 3 hours a week i have alotted tem is all they gte form me, on site or off. forget i said anything. i know of a few other distro's to try. forgive me for being a bother
16:10<themill>valdyn, zem: Ctrl+J instead of enter.
16:10<sney>it wouldn't have been a problem if you hadn't come in here all half cocked complaining right from the get go
16:10<valdyn>themill: !
16:11<daedalus-sax>well then i apologize. just trying to help the needy, and i have had a bad day, my bad.
16:11<sney>daedalus-sax: try knoppix, then.
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16:11<sney>livecd, debian based, installable, painless.
16:11<daedalus-sax>kinda funny you mentioned that, already downloaded it, and am just firing it up now via vbox. thank god for vbox, lol
16:12<daedalus-sax>sney, my first question was how to install the live debian cd...??
16:13<daedalus-sax>ohh, you mean knoppix
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16:13<zem>themill: i knew there must be a way ^^
16:13<mainiak>hello 2 everybody
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16:13<daedalus-sax>well danke, and i salute you debian guys, you do have a good os, ubuntu proves that.
16:14*themill has an old box with a broken enter key
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16:14<mainiak>I am searching for debian 3.0 (woody) isos, I haved searched a lot of sites, found some, but none good :-/ i need only first one for boot
16:14<zem>with 2 broken enter keys? what where you doing with that one?
16:14<mainiak>could you pleas help me?
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16:15<Txt_file>mainiak: why do you want a woody-iso? besides. search abut debian archive iso
16:16<daedalus-sax>lol, i just had a strange idea, anyone have a sight with one page, and pictures for installation of debian?
16:16<sney>probably. I haven't seen one.
16:16<ml|>daedalus-sax: there is somewhat on debian wiki
16:16<ml|>one sec
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16:17<zem>that exists, i have seen it
16:17<daedalus-sax>ahh thank you thank you, cause i do like how small footprint-ish the debian live cd with xfce is
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16:17<mainiak>Txt_file: I am new to some company and they use some commercial app based on woody, thats why :-/ and i did searched
16:17<ml|>daedalus-sax: that should help
16:18<daedalus-sax>thanks muchas gracious dude
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16:18<mjt>i wonder why "commertial" = "broken"... Oh well.
16:19<sney>woody used a 2.4 kernel didn't it?
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16:19<sney>an app made to run on woody should work on any 2.4 linux distro if so
16:19<conner>can some one help me with using tinyIRC
16:19<mainiak>Txt_file: I read that
16:20<mainiak>sney: yes - but there is some debian package issues ;-)
16:20<Txt_file>I thought there are some old images.
16:20<mjt>sney: it's of no help really. Think of Oracle for example: sure it will work on debian, but all companies who uses oracle on linux run it on rhel or suse because those are "certified"
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16:20<conner>how do you change irc servers in TinyIRC?
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16:20<conner>in in irc.debian
16:20<conner>i need to get into irc.malvager
16:20<sney>mjt: yah, but if gettinng the app working is the goal...
16:20<mjt>besides, 2.6 is backwards-compatible with 2.4
16:20<mainiak>Txt_file: yes - but i don't know if there is only netinstall - I would preffer full cd - but don't know if exists
16:20<conner>how would i change that
16:21<donovanw>Help installing mail server on a Debian r5
16:21<adb> mainiak
16:21<daedalus-sax>lol, i am back. um, i do have one more question, and this is something i also managed not to find on the net, why are there 31 iso's? and do i need all of them to gain a net capable gui'd install??
16:21<ml|>conner: try /connect
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16:21<sney>what mail server, donovanw? there are several and they all have their own support channels
16:21<conner>thanks one sec
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16:21<zem>daedalus-sax: just first
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16:22<zem>daedalus-sax: but depends on what you want, if you need something exotic, could need more
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16:22<sney>the rest contain a lot of optional packages, such as alternate window managers, servers, that sort of thing
16:22<ml|>daedalus-sax: for what you want iirc, there is an xfce iso you can use for installation
16:22<donovanw>Just installed r5 and dont know which is the best to install
16:22<mainiak>adb: thx, looks nice
16:22<daedalus-sax>ok, but when i download the first cd from the actual debian website's mirro, it always says the the main package doesn't exist and that there is no gui, is this because i am first trying it via vbox?
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16:23<sney>donovanw: most people I know like postfix
16:23<conner>thanks for trying to help me but that does not work
16:23<conner>all it says is you are not the channel operator
16:23<ml|>conner: try /server ??
16:23<donovanw>do i atp-get it ?
16:23<conner>i will try.
16:23<sney>yes donovanw apt-get install
16:24<sney>and see the postfix site/channels for further support
16:24<donovanw>ok i will try it now
16:24<conner>it says 461 SERVER not enough parameters
16:24<conner>this makes no sense
16:24<ml|>conner: what irc address are you using?
16:24<conner>thats what i need
16:24<mainiak>srry, guys, dpkg is bot?
16:24<sney>dpkg is bot
16:24<dpkg>sney: are you smoking crack?
16:24<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
16:24<daedalus-sax>lol yeah
16:25<donovanw>i thought when you installed debian and selected mail server as one of the install options it would install the mail handler
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16:25<donovanw>I gues thats not how it works ?
16:25<conner>Tiny irc is set to the debian server by default
16:25<conner>i do not no how to change servers
16:25<conner>so i figured i would connect to the debian channel and ask
16:25<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
16:25<sney>donovanw: tasksel may have installed sendmail, I'm not familiar enough with the mail server task to know what it pulls
16:26<mainiak>thx, themill, ;-)
16:26<sney>conner: why not use irssi if you need a terminal irc client? lots of people use irssi so you'll have an easier time getting support for it
16:26<daedalus-sax>ok, so if i download debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso i should get a gui, right? why don't i? it says "the main module does not exist"
16:26<conner>thanks i will use that.
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16:27<mainiak>thank you everybody! dpkg send me this :D
16:27<mainiak>(exactly what I needed)
16:27<donovanw>exim4 is the only mail handler i see in the services window
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16:27<donovanw>and it seems to handle only outgoing mail
16:28<bja>donovanw: you can configure exim4 to do more than that
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16:28<themill>donovanw: "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" for starters. But you have a lot of reading to do if you're going to install a mail server on the internet... a lot.
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16:29<donovanw>I'm a quick study
16:30<donovanw>so i take it that exim4 can handle both incoming and out going
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16:30<donovanw>or should i go with postfix
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16:31<dagman>hi > all, who knows the name of packet for main menu editing in LXDE? or how it edit manually
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16:31<sney>whatever floats your boat, donovanw. they're both highly recommended
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16:32<donovanw>do both support imap ?
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16:33<sney>donovanw: that's a question for the docs
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16:33<donovanw>i want to be able to do pop or imap to my mail client
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16:33<petemc>donovanw: neither support imap, thats not the job of a mta
16:33<petemc>dovecot is a popular imapd/pop3d
16:34<dagman>anyone else know?
16:34<donovanw>does dovecot replace or work with the other modules ?
16:34<petemc>what modules?
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16:35<donovanw>exim4 , postfix
16:35<sney>dagman: maybe in one of the . directories in your home directory? if you ls -a you might see something like .lxde containing config files
16:35<donovanw>or i only need 1
16:35<petemc>donovanw: dovecot is not a mta, if you want to send/receive mail you'll need exim4 or postfix
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16:37<davi>What package provide the 'vi' command in a default Debian installation?
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16:37<Yoda-BZH>davi dpkg -S /usr/bin/vi
16:37<dagman>. autostart gpicview leafpad lxterminal pcmanfm qutim user-dirs.dirs
16:37<dagman>.. enchant gtk-2.0 lxpanel openbox qtcurve.gtk-icons Trolltech.conf user-dirs.locale
16:38<dagman>no main menu inide
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16:39<Casnik>MMO TIME!
16:39<davi>thanks Yoda-BZH
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16:40<davi>Yoda-BZH, as it is a link dpkg -S does not detect it
16:40<dagman>oh thanks zem
16:41<Yoda-BZH>bja gave the answer, but you could also try "dpkg -l | grep vim" or search on
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16:43<MjoLLnER>When i do apt-update I end up with files that have perm 000 in bin directories. I have done a fresh intall but that did not solve the problem. Can it be bastille? But bastille shouldent change permissions on files like portmapper and mount. Any clues?
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16:44<davi>thanks bja & Yoda-BZH
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16:45<MjoLLnER>And it's only files in bin dir that hav perm 000, no other dirs.
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16:49<MjoLLnER>I have had that problem for over a month now...
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16:55<xubuntu>wo bin ich ?
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16:56<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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16:58<fgh>ive updated my squeeze today and after that i my x/gnome looks wierd. the colors isnt what they should but if i take screenshot and look at it with another computer everthing looks fine.
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16:58<azeem>fgh: maybe your monitor is mis-adjusted?
16:59<Txt_file>fgh: then I would check the GPU and the monitor
16:59<bja>fgh: check that your video driver is alive
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16:59<bja>fgh: ignore what i said
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17:00<fgh>azeem: mis-adjusted?
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17:02<bja>this command " apt-file search update-alternatives" should give me the package that update-alternatives comes whith?
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17:03<fgh>also i have had this problem when booting the ubuntu livecd but not in my squeeze system until now when i aptitude upgraded. also if i boot my gparted livecd everthing looks fine..
17:03<azeem>fgh: then maybe it's a problem with 1.6
17:04<fgh>1.6 reacently added to testing?
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17:05<zem>fgh: yesterday, i think
17:05<fgh>oh, thats probably why then..
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17:10<fgh>can i downgrade? :)
17:11<bja>fgh: doing a full reinstall
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17:15<knoppixy>how are u doing there
17:15<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic
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17:16<knoppixy>i'm new users of knoppix and need help
17:16<fgh>except for my problem with xorg im ok thank you
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17:16<knoppixy>hope all will be alright
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17:17<Txt_file>!tell knoppixy about ask
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17:18<knoppixy>i need some softawre for my kno os and dont know which extention would work
17:18<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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17:20<knoppixy>but i like it
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17:21<knoppixy>do u know any os that works same as knoppix
17:21<zem>define same
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17:21<adama>only knoppix works the same as knoppix
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17:21<zem>gnu/linux, it is the same os
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17:22<knoppixy>what about mac os ,,
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17:22<zem>need mac for that one
17:23<adb>knoppixy, keep on topic , please
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17:24<daddyfever>hey there all!
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17:24<knoppixy>where are u from ,
17:24<daddyfever>i'm trying to use dreamlinux to bring an old ibm laptop back to life
17:25<daddyfever>i'm from canada-norway
17:25<adb>knoppixy, keep on topic , please
17:25<daddyfever>i have a usb wlan device - the system sees it - the device sees my router, but i can't connect - any ideas?
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17:25<daddyfever>i'll go to off - topic
17:27<fgh>i wonder if my system will ever work correctly with the new xorg 1.6
17:28<Drone>i was wondering if anyone could do me a favor and use their debian to make a livemagic image for me
17:28<Txt_file>daddyfever: what's offtopic if you ask about wlan
17:28<Drone>so i can finally install debian on my eee
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17:28<Txt_file>Drone: boot from USB?
17:30<Drone>tried it
17:30<Drone>a lot
17:30<adb>Txt_file, sorry , but dreamlinux knoppxx are offtopic here
17:30<Drone>i put usb image into eee
17:30<Drone>doesnt detect the installer
17:30<Drone>tries to detect cd drive, which there isnt one
17:30<sney>Drone: using debian-eeepc.img?
17:31<Drone>cant use net inst
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17:31<Drone>kernel doesnt recognize my etehrnet or wifi
17:31<Drone>i been at this for 5 days
17:31<daddyfever>Txt_file: if you have any good hints for me i'd love to hear something :)
17:32<zem>Drone: instal basic system with netinstall, then install drivers for wireless/ethernet with usb stick
17:32<adama>daddyfever: install Debian
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17:33<Txt_file>daddyfever: I thought about WPA2 and an USB-WLAN-stick that can't do WPA2
17:33<Drone>how can i use netinstall to install minimal when i cannot use netinstall because no etrhernet or wifi
17:33<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on To install Debian, see for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>. Mailing list: #debian-eeepc on
17:33<daddyfever>Txt_file: no
17:33<hdstryowrld>good afternoon, Iam sorry but I have a one question, I don't speak english very good, but exist any channel in spanish?
17:33<daddyfever>adama: maybe i should...
17:33<Txt_file>daddyfever: then I have no other ideas
17:33<Drone>i found a way
17:33<daddyfever>Txt_file: thanks anyway :)
17:33<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:33<Drone>there is an installer
17:33<Drone>for windows
17:34<Drone>u dl and install on windows
17:34<Drone>and reboots to debian
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17:34<hdstryowrld>dpkg: thank you
17:34<dpkg>de nada, hdstryowrld
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17:34<fgh>where can i read about xorg 1.6 in squeeze and update about it? i have a problem with my graphic since i did a aptitude upgrade today
17:34<daddyfever>adama: do you think it will work on my old ibm - celeron 600 192 mb ram
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17:35<adama>daddyfever: yes, you may want to use a lightweight DE instead of gnome
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17:37<daddyfever>adama: cool - maybe i will suddenly become an expert after all - debian has kind of frightened me so far...
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17:39<Koning>anyone actually here?
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17:39<Txt_file>!tell Koning about ask
17:39<mainiak>hello again :)
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17:40<Koning>i just installed irssi :')
17:40<mainiak>nice :)
17:40<Koning>quite new to whole irc actually lol
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17:40<ml|>dpkg: daddyfever about install guide
17:40<dpkg>ml|: no idea
17:40<Koning>had to look up the command to change my name haha
17:40<ml|>dpkg: tell daddyfever about install guide
17:41<Koning>so u guys actually use debian as a main os?
17:42<fgh>yes i do but now i dont know because xorg 1.6 doesnt work as it should with my gfx-card :(
17:42<zem>what card?
17:42<Koning>oh so u do use a gui
17:42<zem>(si i know if i should update :)
17:42<daddyfever>ml|: thanks!!
17:42<chealer>fgh: you can downgrade, yes
17:43<Koning>i installed kde the other night and threw it off instantly :P
17:43<mainiak>after sucessfull download of woody isos (i have r2 and r6) and booting under vbox both versions fails when install core from cd :-/
17:43<azeem>mainiak: woody is no longer supported
17:43<fgh>zem: SiS M760GX
17:43<Hideo>that's ~8 years ago
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17:44<mainiak>azeem: I know - but i asked 1 hour ago where to download it - right here on this channel also with reason what I am doing this ;-)
17:44<Koning>what are u trying to do?
17:44<fgh>chealer: i can downgrade my xorg package?
17:44<azeem>mainiak: fine, just don't expect answers to your questions
17:44<mainiak>Koning: install it! :D
17:45<Koning>install what? :D
17:45<mainiak>azeem: no problem - just trying ;-)
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17:46<mainiak>to all - I need it to my work - and i would like to finish this task _sucessfuly_ quickly
17:46<Koning>I have absolutly no idea what "woody" is haha
17:46<mainiak>dpkg: tell Koning about woody
17:46<azeem>woody is Debian 3.0
17:46<Koning>seems like a debian release
17:46<Koning>so lenny is 5.0
17:46<mainiak>Koning: indeed
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17:46<Koning>So thats why i keep seeing lenny everywhere :D
17:47<chealer>fgh: yes. but you cannot download only 1 package, you need to downgrade a good number of X packages, including your drivers, xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-core
17:47<Koning>For those who didn't notice, im quite new to debian, erhh, to linux at all...
17:47<Koning>mainiak: just testing
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17:48<mainiak>Koning: me or lenny? :)
17:48<fgh>buhu, i wonder why it doesnt work. its an old card and been supported for years and now in 1.6 something just turns my world upside down :<
17:49<Koning>testing how u write in yellow (figure its a message adressed to me) but just typing mainiak: text, doesn't seem to work
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17:49<azeem>Koning: you don't write in yellow
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17:49<azeem>your client highlights lines which are addressed to you
17:49<chealer>fgh: s/download/downgrade/
17:49<Koning>ah, so if i just type " azeem: hello"
17:49<Koning>you ssee it in yellow
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17:50<azeem>Koning: that's coincidence because I use the same client as you
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17:50<mainiak>azzeem: I can se Koning in yellow - but maybe because he wrotes many times mainiak :D
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17:51<Koning>what is this thing standing on top of my client "/msg dpkg lenny"
17:52<adb>mainiak, install debootstrap , and run > debootstrap woody woody < you'll get a basic woody system in woody/ folder
17:52<azeem>Koning: please read your client's documentation
17:52<Jabka>how do i make kdm start the X with the debug symbols (installed xserver-xorg-core-dbg and xserver-xorg-video-radeon-dbg )
17:52<Koning>doesn't seem to do anything
17:52<azeem>Koning: this channel is for Debian support, not a general irc tutorial
17:52<Koning>i know
17:52<fgh>chealer: so ill downgrade all package bound to the xorg meta-package?
17:53<adama>Koning: you may /server and /j irssi to learn about irssi
17:53<mainiak>adb: thanks for hint! long time to be debian user :) (and never heard of this - so thanks :))
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17:53<adb>mainiak, after that use chroot to enter and configure /add new packages to /woody
17:53<wolf>kamma ci sei?
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17:54<Koning>adama: thanks!
17:54<chealer>fgh: not necessarily all. downgrading just xserver-xorg-core will require the main packages to be downgraded.
17:54<mainiak>adb: need debian though?
17:56<Koning>hmm, well im off guys
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17:56<mainiak>different question - if I use jidgo to recreate some iso - will it boot?
17:56<mainiak>Koning: bye
17:57<Jabka>anyone about the X ?
17:57<azeem>mainiak: if the .iso would boot, then yes
17:57<Hideo>Jabka: you accidently a verb?
17:57<mainiak>azeem: thanks - will try
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17:58<Jabka>Hideo , don't know what you mean .. i need help and cried for it .. how to make kdm/gdm start X with debug symbols
17:58<Jabka>the packages all ready installed
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17:59<stevecotton>Of the UML drawing tools in Debian, is there one that can draw UML2 state charts with sub-states?
17:59<azeem>Jabka: what are you trying to do?
17:59<Hideo>Jabka: good question, other than recompiling it w/ debug enabled, I don't really know
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18:00<Jabka>azeem , there is a bug in X with ati cards , the developer asked to use gdb to figure out where it is stuck
18:00<ComradeHaz>Hi all, Can anyone tell me how to get grub2 to boot windows install by default?
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18:00<azeem>Jabka: so are you running it in gdb?
18:01<Jabka>azeem , i atteched to the X process and relized it started the one without debug symbols
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18:01<azeem>how did you realize it?
18:01<Jabka>azeem , just attached to it
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18:01<Jabka>azeem , got lots of ?? instead of places and function names
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18:01<mainiak>ComradeHaz: write number of menu in grub (starting 0) where is your windows and use it in config writing> default WIN-NUM
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18:02<Jabka>azeem , so i know that there is a version with debug symbols (installed it ) my question how to make it start by default
18:03<Jabka>azeem , so any dm (kdm / gdm ) will start it instead of the normal way
18:03<Jabka>i'm thinkg about moving and symlinking but i guess there should be a better way
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18:04<Jabka>sorry if it is too newby question ..
18:04<mainiak>ok - so I run woody iso in debug mode and found that some packages are corrupt - greate
18:04<azeem>Jabka: gdb uses debug symbols
18:04<ComradeHaz>mainiak, you just made me cry
18:04<Jabka>azeem , i know
18:04<azeem>you cannot "start" it
18:04<mainiak>ComradeHaz: why?
18:05<azeem>Jabka: maybe ask in #debian-x
18:05<ComradeHaz>[23:01:54] <mainiak> ComradeHaz: write number of menu in grub $b(starting 0)$b where is your windows and use it in config writing> default WIN-NUM
18:05<Jabka>azeem , could you clearify that ?
18:05<azeem>Jabka: the debug symbols are symbols
18:05<locklace>azeem: what?
18:05<azeem>you cannot run them like a regular program
18:05<azeem>locklace: ?
18:05<locklace>Jabka: is there a reason you need it to start from a dm?
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18:05<Jabka>azeem , i know
18:05<ComradeHaz>[23:01:54] <mainiak> ComradeHaz: write number of menu in grub (starting 0) where is your windows and use it in config writing> default WIN-NUM
18:05<Jabka>locklace , the bug involve kdm and X
18:05<azeem>Jabka: so why do you ask how to start them?
18:05<mainiak>ComradeHaz: don't have any config for booting to windows? :D
18:06<ComradeHaz>no, I was counting from 1
18:06<ComradeHaz>just spent about 2 hours googling and swearing
18:06<mainiak>ComradeHaz: so you find it - that's good :D
18:06<locklace>Jabka: fine. i'd suggest just doing the rename-and-symlink thing. it's quick and easy, and harmless as long as you change it back when you're done.
18:06<blendmaster1024>does anybody know: can you write to files on / in a booted debian-live?
18:06<ComradeHaz>I'm officially sad :D
18:06<mainiak>ComradeHaz: never forgot again ;-)
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18:07<mainiak>blendmaster1024: type mount and see
18:07<Jabka>azeem , i need to start an X with debug symbols the one in -dbg debs
18:07<Jabka>locklace , i tried to avoid that
18:07<mainiak>ComradeHaz: ROFL
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18:07<blendmaster1024>mainiak, ? i'm not on debian-live now...
18:07<locklace>Jabka: no reason to avoid it for a test like this. it works fine.
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18:08<Jabka>locklace , i thought that in this way it is too lame and there is some config file or update-alt... just for that
18:09<k1lumin4t1>anybody using openoffice's kde 4.3 integration package in debian?
18:09<mainiak>blendmaster1024: i have booted woody (:D) right now and I can write to / (because it's mapped to /dev/ram0) - don't have lenny
18:09<mainiak>it depends
18:09<locklace>Jabka: maybe, but why bother? sounds like you're trying to make things harder than they are.
18:09<locklace>Jabka: this is a debugging test we're talking about, not a production deployment strategy
18:09<azeem>mainiak: don't confuse people with unsupported versions
18:09<mainiak>blendmaster1024: but still it's better to have some USB storage ;-)
18:09<Jabka>locklace , "when i doubt you should ask " moto that i like
18:10<Jabka>locklace , yep
18:10<blendmaster1024>ok - i'm building the package list for a custom debian-live cd
18:10*Jabka going to run some X crash test hope it will give me a good nice solution
18:11<mainiak>azeem: it depends on every version of live cd and verison - but to be nice, ok I will not. ok?
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18:13<mainiak>I mean - linux IS! confusing - but because we are on debian channel i will not make flamewar about distros and live cds
18:13<fgh>downgrade wasnt a funny game
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18:14<fgh>nope, also didnt work.. the colors are messed up. wonder if ill ever be able to run debian on that machine again :s
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18:15<zem>fgh: what graphic card?
18:15<zem>does it work in other os?
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18:20<fgh>zem: SiS M760GX
18:20<fgh>and no problem if i boot for example my gparted livecd..
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18:22<fgh>also, i can start Xorg and gnome but the colors isnt right. and also flickers a litle bit zem
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18:23<zem>don't know... tried some settings program? is refresh right?
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18:24<zem>fgh: i guess you'll have to wait and see if more people get it
18:24<adb>fgh, RGB monitor ? paste xorg.conf
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18:29<fgh>adb: xorg.conf and the hardware
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18:30<fgh>and its been working flawless until when i updated with aptitude today
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18:38<adb>fgh, try to add that lines to xorg.conf and restart
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18:42<mangospork>Sup guys, I'm having a problem with my External Hard Drive. After I start it, it says it's there but it just keeps restarting, then eventually I get a kernel panic. Here's the results from dmesg, anybody got any idea?
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18:44<mangospork>Maybe it's a kernel issue? Because it works beautifully on other machines?
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18:50<adb>unable to read partition table ..
18:50<mangospork>It's fine on every other machine I use it on..
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18:51<adb> 10607, comm: async/0 Tainted: P < custom kernel ?~
18:51<fgh>adb: some problem ..
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18:52<adb>fgh, paste xorg.conf
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18:53<mainiak>thank's to all; i am leaving - good bye
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18:55<cesurasean>Does anyone here use amanda-server package on Lenny?
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18:56<adb>fgh, restarted yet ?
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18:57<fgh>dgm, yes
18:57<fgh>gdm even
18:57<azeem>cesurasean: maybe somebody can help you even if they do not?
18:57<cesurasean>I need to find someone who's actually using it....
18:58<cesurasean>the program works, I just can't get the two servers to rsync together. :(
18:58<azeem>did you check logfiles?
18:58<cesurasean>Amanda Backup Client Hosts Check
18:58<cesurasean>WARNING: selfcheck request failed: timeout waiting for ACK
18:58<cesurasean>WARNING: selfcheck request failed: timeout waiting for ACK
18:58<cesurasean>Client check: 2 hosts checked in 29.998 seconds, 2 problems found
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18:58<cesurasean>no logs for such an error
18:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
18:58<cesurasean>the client program is just not talking to the backup server....
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19:05<miguel>is the "cp" command capable to display some progress bar?
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19:12<blendmaster1024>so i've created . i would turn that into a debianlive chroot with 'lh_config -p mine; lh_config;lh_bootstrap;lh_chroot;lh_chroot_hosts install;lh_chroot_resolv install;lh_chroot_proc install;chroot chroot', correct?
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19:14<adb>blendmaster1024, > #debian-live
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19:21*blendmaster1024 < #debian-live : they never, ever answer
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19:25<Lethalman>blendmaster1024, the did to me a while ago
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19:28<Noturno99>whats wrong in my debian, i can't install pidgin
19:28<Noturno99>when I do make, this emssage: no file finded
19:28<Noturno99>somebody help me?
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19:29<dpkg>from memory, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
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19:29<Noturno99>i did this
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19:32<dpkg><tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building.
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19:34<blendmaster1024>lol... and tcsetattr isn't even here to complement.
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19:36<adb>blendmaster1024, go reask , lamby may help
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19:44<adb>seen ? ..
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19:59<blendmaster1024>ok, so i have a problem: i'm using a file:/// custom repo, but my debootstrap thingy wants to download the Release file
19:59<blendmaster1024>i don't have one
19:59<blendmaster1024>what do i do? and sorry for enter :s
20:00<blendmaster1024>hmm, nvm 8)
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20:08<rufensis>A question about wifi. Suddenly my wireless card is not picked up by network manager. It might have started with an update (using Squeeze). It is broadcom and i have to use fwcutter.
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20:09<blendmaster1024>am i online?
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20:09<ml|>blendmaster1024: !test
20:09<dpkg>hello, adb
20:10<ml|>blendmaster1024: actually /msg dpkg test
20:10<blendmaster1024>oh, thanks :) anyway, how would i create a "Release" file for my repo that debootstrap can understand?
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20:11<blendmaster1024>i have a file:/// repo i made from my install cds, and i'd like to use that for debootstrapping
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20:13<adb>install cds has "Release" file , use it
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20:14<blendmaster1024>each cd has it's own? if so, how do i combine?
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20:14<adb>appends them ?
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20:15<blendmaster1024>that simple, eh? ok...
20:15<hypyrbole>on debian, is there a way to automatically install required dependencies when running "configure"?
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20:16<blendmaster1024>hypyrbole, i'm pretty sure there isn't, just do it yourself, it's not hard
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20:16<blendmaster1024>if there was, that would be really cool
20:16<adb>and re do the new md5sum (after appends )
20:16<blendmaster1024>adb: :S?
20:16<hypyrbole>cheers blendmaster
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20:17<blendmaster1024>what md5sum?
20:17<adb>man md5sum
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20:17<blendmaster1024>argh, i know what an md5sum is. but an md5sum of what?
20:18<adb>of Release
20:18<adb> (after appends )
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20:18<blendmaster1024>oh :P... and where would i put it? not inside Release, of course, because that would change Release's md5sum
20:19*arw hello folks
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20:23<blendmaster1024>wait, so i want 'cat Release_1 Release_2 Release_3 > Release'?
20:23<adb>yes in aka dists/lenny/Release , take a look of his contents
20:23<adb>use echo Release_1 >> Release . and so on
20:24<blendmaster1024>you mean cat?
20:24<blendmaster1024>but wouldn't that duplicate the header a bunch of times?
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20:26<blendmaster1024>i want the header and then a bunch of md5sums dont i? and the md5sums are of the packages and etc?
20:26<adb>from now on have to manage all that
20:26<blendmaster1024>what...? i'm very confused :S
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20:28<adb>blendmaster1024, but use debmirror to do a proper local mirror ..
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20:29<blendmaster1024>ok then, what is debmirror, and will it take a lot of processing time?
20:29<adb>~1 week
20:30<dpkg>debmirror is, like, a script to create a partial Debian mirror. Receiving "public key not found" errors from gpgv? See /usr/share/doc/debmirror/NEWS.Debian. Does not mirror installer-${ARCH} directories, see Debian bug #451120. See also and ask me about <debian mirrors>.
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20:32<blendmaster1024>ok, but i dont want to bother, i want this cd done by tomorrow morning, so what do i copy? the head from cd1's dists/lenny/Release, and then the md5sums from then on?
20:32<Derailed>Hey guys, I wonder if someone here can give me an easy answer: I'm trying to set environment variables on the kernel command line (append) that I want to show up in processes after login. They're not showing up after login and I think it's to do with pam_env. can anyone point me in the right direction?
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20:34<adb>blendmaster1024, from cd1's all is in , no needs nothing all
20:34<blendmaster1024>so just cd1's release?
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20:34<blendmaster1024>uh-oh, the troller
20:34<blendmaster1024>set a ban on aaaaa*
20:35<aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa>Why you sad that?
20:35<blendmaster1024>aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, because you were trolling last time you were here
20:35<aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa>No, I did no such thing.
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20:36<blendmaster1024>or maybe you could stay, you're the only one with a nick longer than mine :)
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20:36<shiN7>hi all
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20:36<shiN7>guys, is there a way to install shockwave player on debian?
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20:37<@abrotman>shiN7: no, there is no shockwave for linux
20:37<shiN7>not even with wine?
20:37-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*aaaaaaaaa@*] by abrotman
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20:37<abrotman>shiN7: that's not really linux now is it ...
20:37<shiN7>yeah, i know
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20:38<shiN7>well, i hope it will come out someday.
20:38<streuner__>say that to other people
20:39<shiN7>i bet they know
20:39<streuner__>sure they do
20:39<shiN7>they did it for the flash player
20:39<shiN7>why not for the shockwave?
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20:40<shiN7>i bet there is a sinister plot behind it
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20:44<adb>blendmaster1024, well ,copy each cd says in cd1/ cd2/ ... than add to sources.list for each cdrom 'deb file:///cd1/debian lenny main contrib '
20:45<blendmaster1024>huh? great, you mean you want me to re-create the repo?
20:45<blendmaster1024>argh, i just want a release file! could i rewrite debootstrap to not need it?
20:45<adb>no, just copy as said
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20:47<blendmaster1024>just copy *what* as said? you didn't complete your sentence! "copy each cd says in cd1/ cd2/ ..." that doesn't make sense! X(
20:47<adb> debootstrap lenny lenny http://local_IP/debian , sure install and put cdrom folders on it
20:47<heartbeats>why pidgin not connecting yahoo
20:47<heartbeats>why pidgin not connecting yahoo id?
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20:48<adb> yahoo changed his port protocol ..
20:48<adb>google on it
20:49<heartbeats>how can i get yahoo
20:50<abrotman>heartbeats: /msg dpkg bpo
20:50<heartbeats>no such directory
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20:51<abrotman>heartbeats: it's an IRC command
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20:51<heartbeats>tell me what is the use
20:52<abrotman>!tell heartbeats about bpo
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20:53<heartbeats>how can i install virtualbox-3.0_3.0.6-52128_Debian_etch_i386
20:53<heartbeats>i alredy downloaded from the site
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20:54<heartbeats>how can i install virtualbox-3.0_3.0.6-52128_Debian_etch_i386
20:54<blendmaster1024>well, firstly, are you on etch?
20:55<heartbeats>how can i know that
20:55<heartbeats>i am a beginer
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20:56<jpinx>heartbeats: do cat /etc/debian_version
20:56<jpinx>what does it say?
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20:57<blendmaster1024>yep, etch
20:57<abrotman>virtual box is already in lenny
20:57<abrotman>blendmaster1024: no, that's lenny
20:57<blendmaster1024>isn't lenny 6?
20:57<jpinx>heartbeats: so - you are already in lenny
20:57<blendmaster1024>i must be retarded
20:57<heartbeats>leny means what?
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20:57<jpinx>heartbeats: good news - that's stable
20:57<hypyrbole>I'm having trouble aptitude-installing libsigc++-2.0-dev & libsigc++-2.0-0c2a on a CLI-only debian stable. I think it has something to do with the first "-". The packages come up in a aptitude-search, but won't install.
20:58<LordMetroid>I want to run Debian on my Server/HTPC running on an Atom N330, X has become ever more bloated over the past years, I have noticed a considerable slow down over the 5 years I have used gnome
20:58<jpinx>heartbeats: are you using synaptic or aptitude?
20:58<linuxfan>im having problem installing dpkg
20:58<blendmaster1024>try 'aptitude install', hypyrbole
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20:58<LordMetroid>Is there some fast version of X made for Atom processors?
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20:59<blendmaster1024>linuxfan, what?? how the heck did you get a debian system without dpkg?
20:59<hypyrbole>sorry. I am using aptitude install, no dashes. CLI-only, so it's aptitude
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20:59<linuxfan>isnt linux is cygwin
20:59<blendmaster1024>hypyrbole, then try 'apt-get install'
20:59<jpinx>heartbeats: ok - I am no expert in synaptic, but you can save your hdd space and delete that download
20:59<blendmaster1024>linuxfan, oh... then why would you even need dpkg?
21:00<hypyrbole>ok blendmaster brb
21:00<heartbeats>then how can i install
21:00<linuxfan>yes i need it
21:00<blendmaster1024>ok then. build from source i assume? if so, i can't help :s
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21:00<linuxfan>yes , build from the sorce
21:01<jpinx>heartbeats: you said you are using synaptic - use that to install virtualbox from the net
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21:02<hypyrbole>blendmaster1024--->that worked. what's up with that?
21:03<hypyrbole>i thought aptitude was the preferred blah blah blah
21:03<heartbeats>how can i install virtual box
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21:04<blendmaster1024>heartbeats, uhm, hold on...
21:04<heartbeats>blendmaster1024: OK
21:04<hypyrbole>blendmaster1024--->thanx for your help mate.
21:04<blendmaster1024>'apt-get install virtualbox-ose'
21:04<blendmaster1024>hypyrbole, happy to help :)
21:05<heartbeats>ok sir
21:05<heartbeats>its working
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21:05<heartbeats>how can i install mozilla
21:05<blendmaster1024>hahaha!!! i got debootstrap to go without needing the release file!!!
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21:06<blendmaster1024>heartbeats, 'apt-get install iceweasel'
21:06<heartbeats>is it mozilla fire
21:06<blendmaster1024>iceweasel is firefox, just rebranded because debian's guidelines are just a little too strict
21:06<blendmaster1024>only a little
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21:07<blendmaster1024>actually, i'm a little annoyed with the debian guidlines, because the driver for my soundcard was missing from the default alsa because of them
21:08<heartbeats>i cant see the virtualbox in application
21:08<blendmaster1024>it's in applications->system->virtualbox ose
21:08<heartbeats> sir
21:08<heartbeats>now it
21:08<blendmaster1024>"sir"? lol, i'm just a guy on the net :)
21:09<cesurasean>I finally got Amanada's backup server to connect to the clients during the test. :)
21:09<heartbeats>never mind ...
21:09<cesurasean>but, when I run backup, it doesn't seem to give any type of output telling me if it finished. Is that normal when running a manual backup in amanda?
21:09<heartbeats>one help more i cant connect my yahoo id on pidgin
21:10<cesurasean>I fear anyone with real knowledge is like me, and not normally in this channel. :(
21:11<cesurasean>Does ANYONE here use amanda-server on Lenny?
21:11<heartbeats>and how can i permanently mount my Ntfs partition
21:11<blendmaster1024>hmm.. i have pretty dang real knowledge, but i dont use amanda
21:11<blendmaster1024>heartbeats, well..
21:11<cesurasean>well, Amanda is a pain in the ass.
21:11<blendmaster1024>heartbeats, you can't, mounting doesn't work that way, but you can make it auto-mount at boot
21:11<cesurasean>it has a lot of options. :(
21:12<blendmaster1024>well, where do you want it to mount?
21:12<cesurasean>because, it can do a lot of things...
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21:12<heartbeats>i privesly mounted here
21:12<cesurasean>bah. I guess no Amanda users in debian. I might try the mailing list. I know for a fact the maintainer of the amanda-server package in debian uses it. :)
21:12<cesurasean>or has tested it, but c'mon now.
21:13<blendmaster1024>heartbeats, could you your /etc/fstab ?
21:13<cesurasean>for days I can't find anyone who uses Amanda on debian. :(
21:13<blendmaster1024>why not? got something secret?
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21:14<dpkg>from memory, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Packaged for Debian, available for Lenny or through for Etch (ask me about < etch> for instructions). Usage examples: . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
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21:14<heartbeats>i installed nts-3g
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21:15<linuxfan>it gives a errror when try to "make"
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21:15<adb>heartbeats, /msg dpkg user accessible ntfs
21:15<adb>linuxfan, /msg dpkg b-e
21:15<dpkg>from memory, amanda is Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver, a cross-platform backup system. Packaged for Debian as 'amanda-server' and 'amanda-client'. #amanda on
21:15<adb>cesurasean, /msg dpkg selftell
21:16<blendmaster1024>:) anyway, assuming there is not a line in /etc/fstab, you could do: "su -c 'echo /dev/<PARTITION> /media/windows ntfs-3g user,auto,umask=000 0 0 >> /etc/fstab'"
21:16<heartbeats>hellow tell me how can i auto mount on reboot
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21:16<heartbeats>there are so many lines
21:16<adb>heartbeats, /msg dpkg automount
21:16<cesurasean>adb: shut up.
21:16<blendmaster1024>adb, dpkg cant help right now
21:16<simonrvn>um, it's not hard...
21:17<cesurasean>it's a free country, or channel!
21:17<cesurasean>who cares about rules? get over it...
21:17<abrotman>cesurasean: don't tell him to shut up .. msg the bot
21:17<cesurasean>why does he have to bitch?
21:17<blendmaster1024>automount has nothing to do with mount at boot
21:17<abrotman>why do you have to flood the channel?
21:17<simonrvn>cesurasean: *facepalm*. maybe one day you'll learn to see the true oppression instead of making shit up.
21:18<cesurasean>I guess we just annoy each other. ;)
21:18<abrotman>blendmaster1024: please don't start
21:18<heartbeats># /etc/fstab: static file system information.
21:18<heartbeats># <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
21:18<heartbeats>proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
21:18<heartbeats>/dev/sda7 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1
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21:19<cesurasean>simonrvn: what oppression?
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21:19*simonrvn sighs
21:20<cesurasean>no comprende amigo
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21:20<blendmaster1024>debhelper said to use #flood, but it's invite only - what's up with that?
21:21<cesurasean>that's pretty funny.
21:21<heartbeats>did u got the code
21:22<blendmaster1024>ok, heartbeats, then pasteall the output of running 'mount'
21:22<simonrvn>because on freenode, it's not invite-only
21:23<cesurasean>simonrvn: is there an IRC channel for debian on freenode?
21:23<heartbeats>form where i get the output
21:23<blendmaster1024>the command line
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21:24<blendmaster1024>middle-click copy?
21:24<simonrvn>using cat, for instance, and pastebinit
21:24<dpkg>somebody said pastebinit was a command-line tool (packaged for Lenny, Squeeze) to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit"
21:24<cesurasean>thx simon
21:25<cesurasean>maybe out of those 900 people someone is using Amanda. :)
21:25<heartbeats>where i want to paste all things
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21:25<heartbeats>in etc ?
21:25<blendmaster1024>ok, heartbeats, do this:
21:26<heartbeats>tell me ..
21:26<blendmaster1024>su -c 'mount > /etc/mounted'
21:26<blendmaster1024>then pastebin /etc/mounted
21:27<abrotman>why would you put it in /etc/?
21:27<blendmaster1024>i know, stupid workar... no idea, i'm really maxed out
21:27<abrotman>and you don't have to be root to run 'mount'
21:27<blendmaster1024>no, but you do need to be root to use a system directory, which are the only ones that both bash and heartbeats will understand
21:28<blendmaster1024>really, really stupid workaround. let it be, so that i can help him
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21:28<abrotman>how about "mount > /tmp/foo" and pastebin foo ?
21:28<Hideo>mount | pastebinit
21:28<abrotman>i mean .. really .. did you actually think about the command you gave him?
21:28<abrotman>Hideo: assuming he has it installed
21:28<blendmaster1024>i just told you i'm too maxed out to have done so
21:28<Hideo>abrotman: oh right
21:29<abrotman>so don't help ?
21:29<blendmaster1024>well are you going to?
21:29<heartbeats>then what is next blendmaster?
21:29<heartbeats>is it auto mounted now?
21:29<abrotman>heartbeats: you have to give us the URL where you pasted it
21:29<blendmaster1024>*sigh*.... /etc/mounted ...
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21:30<linuxfan>ok ill try
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21:31<blendmaster1024>debootstrap said "W: Failure while installing base packages. This will be re-attempted up to five times." then it did it five times, and failed. what happened? it gave me no explanation at all!!
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21:32<linuxfan>this is the output
21:32<blendmaster1024>he QUIT!?!?!?
21:32<adb>blendmaster1024, debootstrap has a log file ..
21:32<blendmaster1024>adb, ooh it does??
21:32<abrotman>linuxfan: did you even ask a question ?
21:33<blendmaster1024>abrotman, i don't think he did
21:33<Hideo>linuxfan: you're trying to build dpkg?
21:33<linuxfan>yes i lost connectipn to internet
21:33<blendmaster1024>adb: in hurry..
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21:34<linuxfan>question:i having problem instaling dpkg on cygwin
21:34<adb>blendmaster1024, usually in folder where it installed , maybe a "." hide one
21:34<blendmaster1024>that's not a question :) we get the idea though: "help"
21:34<blendmaster1024>gotta go
21:35<linuxfan>output :
21:35<linuxfan>of ./configure and make
21:38<linuxfan>heeeeeeeeeeeeelp me
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21:43<cygwinusr>i having problem installing debian on cygwin
21:43<abrotman>you can't
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21:43<cygwinusr>i writed bad
21:44<cygwinusr>i meant dpkg
21:46<kop>cygwinusr: I'm afraid cygwin is not debian, so it's offtopic here. Maybe there's a cygwin channel?
21:46<cygwinusr>but dpkg is a debian component
21:48<kop>cygwinusr: We're here to support debian -- how the components work together. I suppose if you had a question about a dpkg command line, we could help. But then again, because it's not debian we might give answers that are plain wrong because of interactions with the rest of the system.
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22:02<dinomite_>I want prosecute the debian developers.
22:02<dinomite_>I lost my files.
22:03<abrotman>dinomite_: go troll somewhere else
22:03<dinomite_>I can go to your mother's house and fuck her. As you like.
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22:05<adb>ban him
22:05<adb>ok, done
22:05<blendmaster1024>it's kind of funny how many trolls debian gets.. a lot of people bust hate us. very odd, but rather entertaining
22:06<abrotman>anyways ...
22:06<Sebastian>hidden troll, fuck off blendmaster1024
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22:07<blendmaster1024>howabout you set a ban on the username instead of the tor endpoint? tor isn't going to be static enough for that to help
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22:08<blendmaster1024>oh, Sebastion really was a troll, not just a user playing around with me...
22:08<Hideo>isn't it dnsbl instead of gnsbl?
22:08<abrotman>blendmaster1024: you should get some sleep, you failed to notice that he keeps changing names
22:08<abrotman>Hideo: oh ffs
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22:08<blendmaster1024>nah, i'm just destracted
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22:09<Hideo>abrotman: hehe, you too =P
22:09<blendmaster1024>maybe you should kick me
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22:11<blendmaster1024>this is weird: i'm trying to use debootstrap with my repo, but my repo seems to be missing core packages - the debootstrap log is full of stuff about how coreutils, awk, lzma, and libc6 (probably more) are missing. wtfreak? those should be on cd1
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22:12<blendmaster1024>hey miguel
22:13<blendmaster1024>wait, no they're being installed, just in the wrong order:
22:14<kop>blendmaster1024: Could it be there are circular dependencies and there is no right order? Just wondering.
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22:15<blendmaster1024>no, that doesn't make sense, these are the very most core packages that make up debian - the ones without which it probably cound not start
22:15<kop>blendmaster1024: Makes sense to me that they'd depend on each other then.
22:15<blendmaster1024>i think it's because that debootstrap is calling dpkg once for each package instead of running once for all
22:16<kop>blendmaster1024: ld needs glibc which needs ld sort of thing.
22:16<blendmaster1024>but 'dpkg -i ld.[...].deb libc6.[...].deb' should work fine even if they depend on each other
22:17<jpinx>blendmaster1024: there's a trick with using aptitude after a dpkg -i to resolve dependencies
22:17<abrotman>aptitude -f install
22:18<blendmaster1024>yeah, but i have to be able to chroot into the system first to be able to do that
22:18<jpinx>that's it :) I knew someone would fill the void in my head :)
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22:20<blendmaster1024>this... you have got to be kidding... forget it, i can't finish this before tomorrow morning
22:20<blendmaster1024>see ya all
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22:31<nas>hi guys
22:31<nas>i'm having this in my syslog
22:32<nas>kernel: device eth0 left promiscuous mode
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22:32<abrotman>do you use vmware?
22:32<abrotman>or some other virtualization software?
22:32<nas>i use vserver
22:32<nas>this log is coming from my host server
22:33<nas>it just happen suddenly after i restart
22:33<abrotman>and you use bridging for your VMs ?
22:33<nas>should be the normal vserver IP config
22:34<abrotman>usually where i see it is related to vm setups ..
22:34<nas>i'm not sure how to determine whether or not i am using bridging
22:34<nas>how do i get rid of this
22:34<nas>it just suddenly
22:34<nas>after i restart
22:35<abrotman>it's not really dangerous
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22:36<nas>is there anyway i can get rid of this error
22:36<nas>i searched through the net can't find any
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23:22<hypyrbole>probably a stupid question...if I install xorg and gdm onto a machine, will I still be able to ssh into that machine remotely even though the physical machine is sitting at the gdm login screen?
23:22<scott_>hypyrbole: yes
23:22<jpinx>hypyrbole: yes
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23:22<hypyrbole>thanx scott & jpinx
23:23<jpinx>hypyrbole: I do that all the time here
23:23<dpkg>hello, d3co
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