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---Logopened Wed Sep 16 00:00:00 2009
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00:29<cwood>Has anybody had success enabling hardware acceleration with the R690M Radeon Mobility chip in the Dell D531 in Sid?
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00:32<kenyon>the recent xorg updates in squeeze have made X super slow for me, using the intel driver on G33 chipset.
00:34<ml|>kenyon: for some others also, you need to configure xorg.conf a certian way iirc from a intel user told me
00:35<kenyon>ml|: hmm, I'm trying to find what that certain way is. intel(4) doesn't say what to do.
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00:37<kenyon>all the options are supposedly autodetected
00:38<cwood>Yeah, except for the hardware acceleration part. ;)
00:39<ml|>kenyon: if i knew i'd tell you, that person is not on atm
00:40<kenyon>ml|: thanks
00:41<ml|>sorry wish i could tell you
00:41<kenyon>no prob, I'll report here if I figure it out
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00:43<ml|>kenyon: you might look at the X blog for debian, tho i don't know it
00:43<ml|>addy the is
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00:45<vortek>Is there a way to use the web to auto download depends? "im using my windows partition to download ndiswrappers and its depends" So i cant get debian online. Any Ideas?
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00:46<vortek>i mean so i CAN get debian online
00:46<kenyon>oh hmm might be because I need a newer kernel for UXA to work properly, I'm using 2.6.26-2-amd64 now because 2.6.30 fails when it tries to identify the partition type of md0, which does not have a valid partition type.
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00:47<ml|>sounds about right from what i remember
00:49<kenyon>ml|: btw maybe the blog you are thinking of is brice goglin's, linked to from
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00:51<ml|>kenyon: yes, that looks like the right one
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00:56<vortek>is there a apt-get or dpkg for windows? cuase i have to use winblows to dl ndiswrappers then mount the windows partition to get ndiswrappers to get debian online.
00:56<ml|>vortek: are you sure you need that?
00:57<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>.
00:57<ml|>seen that?
00:58<vortek>its not supported .. have to blacklist it in modprobe to make ndiswrapers work
00:59<vortek>the broadcom bcm43xx is what is shows as, but that wont work. the link i posted uses ndiswrappers to make it work
00:59<gsimmons>vortek: Your reference is oudated. The BCM4318 chipset has been supported by the b43 driver for some time.
00:59<vortek>ohhh :)
01:00<ml|>vortek: i don't know much about wifi, just trying to point you in the right direction
01:00<gsimmons>dpkg: tell vortek -about b43
01:00<vortek>Dell Wireless 1370 WLAN MiniPCI Card thats the card
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01:01<ml|>you should look at if you haven't already
01:01<vortek>i got an old kernel 2.4
01:02<vortek>but i havent upated in years
01:02<vortek>just got the lappy up today
01:02<ml|>good luck
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01:03<ml|>i think a reinstall would be much easier
01:03<vortek>no cds
01:03<cwood>Nah, update! It'll be fun! (Back up first.)
01:03<vortek>i just need to get the ndiswrappers working
01:04<cwood>Sounds like if you update, you can get it working with a manufacturer's driver.
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01:04<vortek>no way to upate , the debian partition wont go online yet
01:05<cwood>Download the 17 easy cdroms to upgrade with, then go from there to Sid?
01:05<vortek>this laptop sat collecting dust for years
01:05<vortek>conect via eth0
01:06<vortek>well im in a nursing home resources are null heh
01:06<vortek>but i got time
01:07<vortek>im paralyzed from waste down and im 32 heh so me and debian gona become friends
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01:07<vortek>wouldnt ndiswrappers work since its an old kernel?
01:07<cwood>If you do get it upgraded, write a howto.
01:08<vortek>all i got to do is get ndiswrappers working i think
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01:09<vortek>but manuaky dowloading all the depends to windows is a pain , then i have to mount windows to snag the .debs
01:10<vortek>wich is why im wonder if dpkg orr apt-get or if there is a way, to automaticly dl the depends for ndiswrappers?
01:10<ml|>can't use a lan to get what you need?
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01:12<vortek>ell windows is connected. debian isnt. why, debian was ethernet conected. now i have to use windows to dl ndiswrappers reboot to linux, and mount the drive to snag the files
01:12<vortek>cuase all we got here is wireless no lan
01:13<ml|>ah, ok
01:13<ml|>cat /etc/debian_version
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01:14<vortek>so im trying to figure out is there a way to auto dl the depends needed for ndiswrappers in windows, then reboot to debian and mount windows to xfer the files
01:14<ml|>vortek: ^
01:14<jm_>vortek: apt-zip
01:14<cwood>I don't get how Debian isn't currently on a wired network.
01:14<vortek>i have sid
01:15<vortek>apt-zip got a url
01:15<ml|>he has no lan
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01:15<vortek>it feels so good to be messin with linux agian nostalgic
01:15<cwood>vortek: if you have enough disk space, perhaps downloading the dvd or cdrom images might give you all the packages you need?
01:15<vortek>im conect wirelesly in windows
01:16<sney>I bet the nursing station has an ethernet plug-in, you could go charm them into letting you use it
01:16<ml|>vortek: do you data you want to save?
01:16<vortek>there hotties!
01:16<vortek>i wanna go full duplex on them
01:16<vortek>and there all flirty to
01:17<sney>you know at least one of them only works there cuz she's got a wheelchair fetish
01:17<vortek>ok back to my question is there a way in winbowls to apt-get > ? or auto dl depends
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01:17<vortek>sney: haha
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01:18<sney>I don't know of a way to apt-get inside of windows, but ndiswrapper shouldn't require a huge number of downloads
01:18<ml|>vortek: you also try and reinstall debian
01:18<vortek>all i need is ndiswrappers an its depends
01:19<ml|>since itoutdate so much
01:19<cahoot>and why is he so sure he needs ndis?
01:20<vortek>nice tool!
01:20<sney>because it's the quickest way to get his wifi working under linux. then he can abandon windows and get it working for real on his own time
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01:21<sney>ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 has a pretty short dep list, but I'm also not seeing the kernel module for some reason
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01:21<ml|>plus he it's being years since he update debian
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01:23<gsimmons>sney: The kernel module requires compilation (no pre-built ndiswrapper module packages since Sarge).
01:24<mister>hello fellows)
01:24<mister>does anyone have a torrent with debian-live-500-i386-gnome-desktop.iso ?
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01:27<vortek>hrm what window managet to pic from this installer gnome kde xfce?
01:27<vortek>well i could alwya change it later
01:28<ml|>that's a matter of preference
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01:28<ml|>you always intsall that later
01:29<ml|>and just do a base/minimal install
01:30<vortek>does it let you pic partition?
01:30<vortek>or you stuck using windows part?
01:30<mister>gsimmons, thank you, i started to download it 12 hours ago.. 60Mb remaining (3h).. i just thought maybe someone has it.. I need some speed. do you have it?
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01:31<vortek> <==== doe4s this let you pick partition?
01:31<ml|>mister: why download that one and not the newer release
01:32<gsimmons>mister: You may want to consider acquiring a 5.0.2-live image instead, as these are likely to be better seeded.
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01:33<mister>ml|, i tried 502, but i couldnt find a torrent file for it - same problem with speed so i decided to download this one (with torrent)
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01:34<mister>ok, i'll wait a little)
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01:36<ml|>mister: does it have to be a livecd? if not ...
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01:39<mister>ml|, you know, i am a newbie. I have a little problem with my new debian installation - it doesnt load. I want to perform a partition check, but I couldnt find how to do this without livecd.
01:39<jm_>wow you still didn't make it boot?
01:40<mister>i found that grub was installed on my bootflash (which i used to start a netinstall)
01:41<mister>but when i choosed debian it doesnt load (winxp loaded correctly)
01:41<mister>so i tried to install grub into the debian partition
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01:42<mister>i think i succeed, but it does not work - it shows "grub" and freezes)
01:43<mister>i thought this maybe because of partition errors
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01:43<mister>this could be
01:44<mister>I will try to solve it today
01:45<ml|>mister: iirc you can do that with netinst cd, but you are almost done so
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01:46<jm_>you want to install it on MBR
01:47<mister>no, i dont want it on MBR, i wan to install it on the ext3 partition
01:47<jm_>and what will start GRUB?
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01:47<mister>i think i can harm xp partition during my MBR experiments
01:47<vortek>didnt work
01:48<mister>debian. am i wrong?
01:48<mister>ah, sorry
01:48<jm_>actually no, it will only replace boot loader part of MBR, it won't touch partition list
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01:48<jm_>plus it's trivial to make a backup before installing a boot loader
01:48<mister>i want to switch the active partition xp <--> ext3
01:49<mister>so then ext3 will be active the grub should work
01:50<mister>yes, i was wrong about partition harming. I am about mbr only)
01:50<vortek>that debian installer ' did not find my wireless card. Any ideas? ol great ones
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01:51<ml|>vortek: so you have a fresh install of lenny?
01:52<jm_>only a very small number of wireless cards will work with the installer
01:52<vortek>yeah but i booted back to windows to get online, cuase the image wouldnt work with mmy wireless
01:53<vortek> Dell Wireless 1370 WLAN MiniPCI
01:54<ml|>you should look at if you haven't already
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01:54<ml|>but. atleast debian is up to date now
01:54<jm_>that one is supported
01:55<jm_>(not in d-i)
01:55<mister>i used a wireless router to be able to connect during installation. I have lan, but i need to use fake MAC for this laptop.
01:55<vortek>i dont have the latest kernel
01:55<vortek>this install is SID from yeaqrs ago
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01:56<vortek>and I supose that net install i just ran is up to date?
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01:56<vortek>im confused
01:56<ml|>yes should be
01:57<ml|>can try cat /etc/debian_version uname -a for kernel
01:57<vortek>i just want this wireless card to work so i can update and get stuff workings
01:57<dpkg>[b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. #bcm-users on
01:57<vortek>uname thats an old command :)
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01:58<ml|>that's what gsimmons suggested before
01:58<jm_>yeah should only require getting a few packages in windows
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02:00<lethias>So just out of curiosity does anyone play WOW on linux? Was wondering if it ran descently under wine?
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02:01<thayer>yes ... I play wow on linux ... seems to work fine for me :)
02:02<lethias>Do you run it on a new computer?
02:02<vortek>so you stating usse ndiswraoers or not? Dell Wireless 1370 WLAN MiniPCI is my car
02:02<thayer>I seem to get the same frame rates, just a few minor issues with the shading
02:02<lethias>I'm installing it right now, but i'm afraid my system might need some beefing up to handle it.
02:02<lethias>thats not bad then
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02:03<lethias>I'm running Athlon 64 2.2ghz, 1gb ram, and a Radeon 9550, hoping that it can handle it. :)
02:05<thayer>no seems fine. i'm not running it on the latest pc .. a HP laptop with T7100 @ 1.80GHz 2gb ram and GeForce 8400M GS
02:06<thayer>the issues I have is it wont run at high detail and a little slow to load, but that's whether it's in windows or linux. more an issue with the hardware than the OS
02:07<lethias>as long as i can get online and play a bit, that alone would make my day.
02:08<lethias>my other pc that I just built, the motheboard connector from the psu had a bad pin and I'm waiting on the replacement to get here to fix it so I'm out of WOW for a couple of days unless I get this up and running.
02:09<thayer>cool .... running wow was in wine was the only thing holding me back from linux for a long time ... i found that it was easy enough to load under Ubuntu 9.04 and the latest wine ... so i've virualy ditched windows :)
02:10<lethias>I hear that, its bout to fully swing me to linux here very soon. :)
02:10<lethias>I'm running lenny though is the only difference.
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02:11<thayer>every thing else just seems to run a little smother ... it seems less overheads in the software
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02:12<lethias>that would make a nice difference to windows
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02:16<lethias>The only thing I'm not liking bout installing it is you have to use the downloadable installer client. I have the disc here but it can't read it.
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02:19<lethias>wow that was random lol
02:19<lethias>terminal just decided to drop, odd
02:20<thayer>yeah i think i have seen a way around that some where? I am still running windows (dual boot) and found that you can load/install wow under windows and then run wow under linux from the windows installation ... ie load the windwos partition (or drive) then copy the wow folder across to linux, and then just launch wow.exe
02:20<lethias>hmm, that does seem far easier.
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02:21<lethias>I was actually thinking bout dual booting my new system anyways. I may just go ahead and install debian on it now that I know WOW does play in linux.
02:22<lethias>If only I could get the rest of the games I own to play, then I would be a total convert that would never look back. ha ha
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02:23<thayer>yeah i think it works with a few other games/programs ... I was able to run Starcraft and Diablo 2 the same way, I didn't even bother copying the folders, i just run them from the windows partition.
02:23<lethias>i've installed starcraft before, but it was a bit on the lagging side when i did it.
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02:30<vortek>Hey I checked my kernel it is 2.6.22
02:30<vortek>so i gues that means i dont need ndiswrappers
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02:32<vortek>dell wireless 1370 is supported?
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02:36<chealer>vortek: if you don't mind, why do you use 2.6.22?
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02:37<jm_>if you would read the wiki page you were pointed at, you'd notice it needs kernel 2.6.24
02:38<wekt>Does Lenny Gnome have a 'volume control' or sound mixer which docks as a little icon into the panel? I have a program called "Volume Control" a.k.a. /usr/bin/gnome-volume-control, but it does not dock.
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02:41<gsimmons>vortek: Your existing kernel does have the old bcm43xx driver included. This should support the BCM4318 chipset, but you will need to provide firmware for its use.
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02:42<vortek>ill update the kernel tomorow
02:43<vortek>gnight and thanxs for the help
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02:47<squigly>Hey mates. I have an IBM eserver (iseries, it's a 9406-820 model) lying around. MY boss told me I could scrap it, take it home or whatever, I'm wondering, can I install debian on it?
02:48<jm_>squigly: you have my permission
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02:48<squigly>jm_: great, thx!. Yeah, no, my question was technical. *can it be done*?
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02:49<jm_>squigly: why wouldn't it be possible?
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02:49<squigly>jm_: I dunno, architecture wise? I wouldn't know where to even begin. I run linux/bsd mostly on x86/arm, not on anything else.
02:50<squigly>and even with arm, I'm not actually doing anything smart.
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02:54<JanC>squigly: googling for "ibm iseries debian" gives some results including a tutorial to install woody
02:54<jm_>squigly: do you know what kind of CPU it has then?
02:56<squigly>JanC: Yep, thing is not all iseries where made the same. it's highly dependent on the model.
02:56<squigly>jm_: From what I gothered, it's 2395 or 2435, does that makes any sense?
02:57<squigly>jm_: I figure it's an ibm power crap of sort.
02:58<squigly>jm_: spec (if I dug them correctly) state: Processor Feature 2395 2435 2436 2437 2438
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02:59<squigly>jm_: oh, nice. thx. though I see it installs as a secondary partition. you'll still need to boot into the regular OS first.
03:00<jm_>squigly: sounds like it yes
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03:02<squigly>jm_: Meh. I'm not in that kind of need for a cool internet surfing rig that weighs 5 ton. You think one of the BSDs (net?) could handle it native?
03:02<jm_>squigly: I doubt
03:03<squigly>Stupid IBM.
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03:06<JanC>squigly: OS400 acts more or less like a virtualisation layer if I understand (like e.g. running on Xen)
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03:07<squigly>JanC: Yeah, but I'll need to start fiddling with the OS400 crap which I understand shit about. it's not like I don't like learning, but with all the latest wizbang around bsd, Haiku, hurd, it's seems a waste to touch OS400 just to get something up and running.
03:08<squigly>Janc: I'll see if netbsd can handle it, if they can boot a toaster, they should be able to boot this refredgerator.
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03:09<JanC>squigly: might be useful...
03:10<JanC>(even if it's for woody)
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03:10<JanC>squigly: I suppose the thing is actually more like the opposite of a fridge ;)
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03:11<squigly>Janc: :) yeah, it'll keep my room nice an cozy, kind'a like what you think Hell's temperature is.
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03:14<JanC>wow, they seem to have a lot of really unspeakable command names like "WRKNWSSTG" in OS400 :P
03:15<squigly>Janc: seems like the programmer's cat stepped on the keyboard when it was to time to gcc -o the code.
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03:16<squigly>Janc: Do you know what architecture it is? I can't figure it out from the compat list.
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03:20<squigly>Seems like IBM RS64 or something
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03:23<JanC>squigly: if it's not *too* old, it should be POWER architecture I suppose, which is sort of PPC64 ?
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03:25<squigly>Janc: Yeah, I think you're right. though wikipedia seem to think the 820 model is RS64.
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03:25<squigly>Janc: Yup, power5 seems reasonable. I'll try to look on net/open bsd on power5
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03:29<JanC>squigly: RS64 is a PowerPC-AS according to wikipedia, so much older than POWER5 ツ
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03:31<JanC>somewhere around POWER2/POWER3 probably
03:31<squigly>Janc: Yup. Thx for the help mate. I'll report when I'll get the damn thing off the ground. I wonder how long it would take it to compile a complete kde 4
03:33<squigly>winter approaches :) I should just compile stuff instead of turning the main heat pipes on.
03:34<JanC>somebody I know has a MicroVax, says he can really heat his room with it, but is "a bit" more expensive to run than the central heating... ;-)
03:35<co_15_cr>butuh cwek siap nikah
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03:38<mjk>Hmm ... Anyone know which of the Debian testing VNC clients/servers are needed for a *fast* transfer? I tried x11vnc + xtightvncviewer, and it takes a second or two for a simple window focus change (1 GBit LAN, server: 2x2.6 GHz, client: 1.7 GHz).
03:38<mjk>And I'm using a simply set up fvwm2 w/ no extra frills.
03:38<mjk>The windows don't even have buttons.
03:39<mjk>(I'm sometimes minimalistic, yeah =)
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03:42<jm_>you're probably better of using something other than vnc if you want speed
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03:45<mjk>jm_: Okay, will google for alternatives ...
03:45<trupheenix>i want to secure my XChat, IM and browsing
03:45<trupheenix>anyone got suggestions?
03:45<jm_>mjk: things like freenx
03:45<mjk>jm_: Thanks! Already heard about that
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04:11<mjk>Is there a term for a VNC server's ability to export the *current* X11 display, i.e. w/o having to start the VNC server first? x11vnc does that, vnc4server doesn't seem to do that. It would be nice to have a Google search term for this ability. :-}
04:12<jm_>export existing session maybe
04:12<kbailey>hmmmm.... is there are reason the change log for the openssl update is not there -
04:13<mjk>jm_: ah, existing session is good, gives a few matching hits, thanks!
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04:16<kbailey>has any major problem with the openssl updates been reported
04:17<jm_>kbailey: did you check BTS?
04:17<kbailey>where's BTS
04:17<kbailey>what's BTS
04:17<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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04:18<kbailey>went there and nothing obvious sprang up
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04:20<kbailey>do packages get updated before the changelog gets updated sometimes
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04:24<jm_>I am not sure, I remember there was an issue with changelog links/changelogs - but each package includes a changelog so it's best to check there
04:25<kbailey> Ah - I've found which says that there has been a recent problem - thanks for confirming
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04:26<Banzai>Тут есть русские ?
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04:28<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
04:28<dpkg>nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
04:28<the-dude>wow there is a dutch debian channel :O
04:29<jm_>it probably requires that one is wearing clogs before joining :)
04:31<the-dude>jm_: yes and eat chees and smoke pot ofcoarse :)
04:31<jm_>the-dude: heh
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04:54<Squelos>hello, i DLed an iso file.
04:54<Squelos>how can i burn it ? :/
04:54<Squelos>nerver mind
04:54<Squelos>i found it
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04:55<kenyon>in case anybody saw my problem earlier about intel xorg driver performance problem, moving from kernel 2.6.26 to 2.6.30 fixed it.
04:55<Squelos>kenyon, is the latest kernel the 2.6.30 ?
04:56<kenyon>in order to get 2.6.30 to boot I had to specify my root device using /dev/disk/by-uuid/... style instead of /dev/sde1 because the lettering is not stable.
04:56<kenyon>... in grub menu.lst.
04:56<kenyon>Squelos: yes, in sid and squeeze at the moment, at least.
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04:57<Squelos>ok thanks, just wondering if there was a new kernel out or not :)
04:57<jm_>and on backports
04:57<themill>judd kernels
04:57<judd>themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
04:58<jm_>kenyon: you can also resort to mounting by label
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04:58<kenyon>jm_: yeah, since my root fs is ext3, I could do labels too
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05:02<mister>hello again) debian live iso downloaded finally. i am in it now. How can i mount my ext3 partition? is it possible?
05:03<kenyon>mister: yes, use the mount command.
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05:04<mister>but it tells me that i do not have enough privilegies to do this
05:05<mister>should i act as the root user?
05:05<kenyon>mister: yes
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05:05<mister>how can i be root in live cd?
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05:05<kenyon>mister: sudo or su
05:06<jm_>mister: write this down:
05:06<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode> and <dual boot guide>.
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05:06<jm_>you often don't need -t ext2
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05:08<mister>jm_, i found that the disk has errors, i want to check it before installing grub
05:08<mister>i need to mount the disk, and to check it, right?
05:09<jm_>mister: what kind of errors?
05:09<jm_>no you should not mount it if you want to run fsck
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05:10<mister>partition errors, overlapping or smth
05:11<jm_>interesting - what created partition table?
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05:12<mister>there was fat32, freespace,extended(fat32). debian has created ext3,extended(swap) on the freespace
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05:14<mister>i am using debian live cd 500 with gnome. terminal returns "command not found" on fsck. where can i find fsck?
05:15<jm_>how did you become root?
05:15<mister>i did not
05:15<smhar>I have installed an apt-proxy long time ago, then stopped using it. in console, to be able to access the internet directly I have to issue: unset http_proxy command. Now, I do not remember the name of the program and I want to uninstall it, any help on this?
05:15<jm_>you need to be root to run fsck
05:15<jm_>smhar: which program?
05:17<smhar>jm_ I do not remember the name
05:18<jm_>smhar: ok then I don't understand what you actually want to achieve
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05:19<mister>jm_, thank you, now i can use fsck
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05:20<smhar>I have a program that keeps trying to connect to but I do not know which one is this and I want to get rid of it
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05:21<jm_>how do you know it's connecting to port 4001 if you don't know which one it is?
05:21<smhar>and now after I installed realplay from it can not connect to internet and I assume it is because of the same problem... maybe
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05:23<smhar>jm_ when I do apt-get update in console I got the error that it can not connect to localhost:4001 . if I issue : unset http_proxy ( as someone has suggested) the apt, it works.
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05:24<jm_>smhar: this just means that nothing is serving as proxy on port 4001 or it's rejecting the request - I don't see how uninstalling anything will help you
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05:25<smhar>jm_ then how to permanently unset http_proxy
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05:26<jm_>smhar: it's a shell variable, see standard files where this is set - /etc/profile, /etc/bash.bashrc, ~/.bash*, ~/.profile, /etc/environment and so on
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05:29<smhar>jm_: ok. I found it in /etc/environment , it is anon_proxy.. being removed.. thank you a lot
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05:30<smhar>is there a karma system in this channel?.. many times I want to karma++ someone for him/her being so helpful
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05:30<jm_>!karma jm_
05:30<dpkg>jm_ has karma of 10
05:31<dpkg>smhar has neutral karma
05:31<smhar>!karma ++
05:31<dpkg>++ has neutral karma
05:31<smhar>!karma jm_
05:31<dpkg>jm_ has karma of 10
05:31<smhar>!karma jm_ +
05:31<dpkg>jm_ + has neutral karma
05:31<jm_>i think it's !jm++
05:31<mister>hey what are you doing?)))
05:32<smhar>!karma jm_
05:32<dpkg>jm_ has karma of 10
05:32<jm_>they must have disabled it then
05:32<smhar>anyway thank you alot
05:33<mister>I ran fsck -f /dev/sda3 - it made a check but i didnt get any answer ("Errors errors!!! just kill it" or "there were no errors")
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05:34<jm_>mister: it's possible fs is ok if partitions are overlapping, but if something else will write over it then the errors will occur
05:35<mister>hmmm... is it possible to perform a "global" check?
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05:36<jm_>I'll be back later
05:36<ml|>shutdown -rF
05:36<ml|>mister: ^
05:36<mister>thank you jm_)
05:36<mister>ml| sounds good)
05:37<ml|>will check everything
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05:37<ml|>another way is touch /forcefsck
05:38<ml|>and reebot, but i prefer the first one
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05:42<mister>ml|, will it work if i am using livecd?
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05:43<mister>as i understood it will make a systemcheck after reboot
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05:44<ml|>oh, nope thought you where in your system, then just do fsck
05:44<KingKong2009>I have a problem with tab completion in bash with spaces in directory/file names, that is if 2 or more directories start with the same name ie. "King Kong 123" and "King Kong 456" then it picks up "King Kong" but when I type 1 then it does not auto complete, this used to work before I think
05:44<ml|>no need for livecd
05:45<mister>ok, i'll try
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05:45<locklace>KingKong2009: i recommend zsh. its completion always works
05:45<ml|>mister: fsck /dev/sdx
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05:46<themill>locklace: because zsh is going to be so much more bug free than bash just because...?
05:46<ml|>zsh :)
05:46<locklace>themill: history shows that it is
05:47<KingKong2009>but I prefer bash as most of my scripts :-)
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05:50<mister>by the way, i found that my partitions are marked as following: sda1(fat32) sda3(ext3) sda2(extended[sda6(swap) sda5(fat32)] is it ok? i thought they should be incremental
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05:55<mister>am i alone here?
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05:57<the-dude>mister: yes :)
05:57<mister>hello the-dude
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06:05<hxB5>Hi all, would you give me some direction for a tool which allow 2 computers (debian inside) to sync specific folders? I am working with a laptop and a Desktop and would like to have the same files on both without having to do it manually.
06:05<hxB5>(on a LAN of course)
06:05<petemc>unison, or just periodically run rsync on them
06:06<hxB5>Cool! Thx will have a look!
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06:07<mister>sorry for repeating: by the way, i found that my partitions are marked as following: sda1(fat32) sda3(ext3) sda2(extended[sda6(swap) sda5(fat32)] is it ok? i thought they should be incremental
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06:07<themill>hxB5: unison will be better than rsync for that. Highly recommended.
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06:10<mister>cfdisk answer: FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap
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06:21<torocatala>hey, ¿is in lenny any package to do a hotspot, i mean, like chillispot, but for lenny :p
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06:37<mister>can you please help me with overlapping partitions?
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06:37<xeon-enouf>mister: incremental?
06:38<mister>they are not incremental now
06:38<mister>sda1(fat32) sda3(ext3) sda2(extended[sda6(swap) sda5(fat32)] is it ok?
06:39<xeon-enouf>mister: use 'parted /dev/sda' ; u ; b ; p
06:39<miodi>hi, how much experince with linux does running unstable require?
06:39<jm_>miodi: 17 years
06:39<xeon-enouf>mister: it's fine, so long as partitions aren't overlapping
06:40<miodi>jm_: any idea what kind of skills should one know to run unstable
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06:41<jm_>miodi: you might get away with it even if your skills ar every limited, it pretty much depends on what you have installed/when you update etc. - the most annoying things I remember are things like ifconfig not working and suchlike
06:42<petemc>miodi: a good understanding of debian all thats required
06:42<dr|z3d>And time.
06:42<jm_>miodi: it's usually much more helpful if you are familiar with how debian works, how packaging works
06:42<mister>xeon-enouf mister: use 'parted /dev/sda' ; u ; b ; p how can i use it? "parted", is it a command?
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06:43<miodi>jm_: ok, do the bugs crash your system often?
06:43<miodi>or are they just little annyoances
06:44<dr|z3d>They more likely crash apps, not your entire system.
06:44<miodi>ok, then i might give it a try
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06:45<miodi>i suppose the wiki has the most update guide to upgrading?
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06:49<jm_>miodi: in general there is no info about upgrading because it is expected that people know how to do it
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06:50<handjob>Good afternoon gentleman. I came here yesterday with a problem. Unfortunately i was not able to solve it so here i am again. I can't set 5.1 to work. I am using sound blaster live with EMU10k1 drivers. The "speaker-test -D surround51 -c 6 -t wav" only returns results for FR and FR. What to do?
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06:51<miodi>jm_: well i found some kind of info with google, hopely it will go well
06:51<handjob>Ah i forgot to mention i have another integrated sound card.
06:52<ml|>miodi: being using lenny long?
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06:53<miodi>ml|: i used to run testing for a month or so, then some other distros and now i've been running lenny for 3 weeks, been using linux for almost 2 years
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06:55<ml|>ok, good luck and keep in mind sid is not supported here
06:56<miodi>ml|: thanks
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06:57<jm_>handjob: did you test it with mplayer and proper 5.1 DTS file?
06:59<xeon-enouf>mister: install parted
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06:59<handjob>jm_, Hi jm. I did the test with speaker-test -D surround51 -c 6 -t and proper DTS. I don't have mplayer installed thou.
07:00<xeon-enouf>mister: then yes, it's interactive; (type 'help' prior to the 'u' to view commands)'s some example results
07:01<jm_>handjob: I might test this with audigy 2, but don't know when I'll have time/will remember to do it
07:01<handjob>jm_, Ok thank you jm.
07:04<xeon-enouf>mister: 'q' (or quit) to quit parted
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07:07<handjob>jm_, I just discovered that when setting everything on max in alsamixer (i should have checked that first) i can use 3 not as i previously stated 2 of my speakers. Thou it's improvement like form aids to hiv and i don't knew it may be related to the subject.
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07:08<jm_>handjob: LF, RF and center then?
07:08<handjob>jm_, Exactly.
07:09<xeon-enouf>handjob: maybe modinfo snd-emu10k1 will show you some parms you can pass it
07:10<jm_>it just worked for me with alsa IIRC, it was a bitch with oss though
07:11<handjob>xeon-enouf, "modinfo" can you explain? I am such a noob sorry.
07:11<xeon-enouf>hrm /lib/modules/2.6.30-1-686/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1/snd-emu10k1x.ko is .. hrm.. what's this?
07:11<handjob>xeon-enouf, Never mind it works only as a root
07:11*Knorrie wonders what this means
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07:12<xeon-enouf>handjob: gpasswd -a username audio ; logout/login
07:13<handjob>xeon-enouf, I was just having hard time to fire it up as a user. I will past results in a sce.
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07:18<handjob>How to use | grep to list files like *.b ?
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07:19<petemc>handjob: you dont need to, your shell can do that
07:19<petemc>ls *.b
07:20<handjob>petemc, Thank you petemc but hypothetically is there a way to do so?
07:21<jm_>ls|gep '\.b'
07:21<mister>xeon-enouf, thank you, sorry for a late answer, i had a dinner
07:21<handjob>jm_, Thank you.
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07:21<mister>xeon-enouf, i'll try
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07:30<themill>handjob: but parsing the output of ls is a bad thing to do in general. /msg dpkg parsing ls
07:30<handjob>Ok so i am going to make myself fake 5.1 and try to enjoy it ^^. Is there a way to import alsamixer settings or download software that will configure things for me? I knew i may sound like a lazy ass ( that i really am btw) but i don't knew much about audio and i want it to be done right.
07:31<handjob>themill, I will remember that.
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07:42<mister>xeon-enouf, did as you told me. it gave me some info about my partitions
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07:42<mister>i thought it will check my hdd)
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07:53<mjt>is there a way to ask apt-get to print the URL of a given package WITHOUT considering any dependencies whatsoever?
07:54<mjt>sorta like --force --print-uris
07:54<mjt>or --idontcare --print-uris :)
07:56<jm_>maybe it's better to use debget, I think I have tried apt-get to do this but if you already have it downloaded/installed it will ignore you ;)
07:57<jm_>tried to get
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07:58<mjt>yeah it looks promising
07:59<mjt>except that i'll have to remember which apt-proxy path to use...
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08:01<xeon-enouf>mister: pastebin the output, like i did
08:01<mister>may i print here a result of "'parted /dev/sda' ; u ; b ; p" here?
08:01<jm_>better not
08:02<xeon-enouf>mister: no
08:02<mister>ah, ok)
08:02<xeon-enouf>dpkg !!! :-P
08:02<mister>casting spells)))
08:04<themill>dondelelcaro: dpkg disappeared about an hour ago -- can you resuscitate? thanks!
08:04<xeon-enouf>mjt: print the url? you mean apt-cache policy?
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08:08<mister>xeon-enouf, what do you think? is there an error??
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08:08<xeon-enouf>mister: ok ..
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08:10<xeon-enouf>mister: is there important data on sda5? (fat32) .. and do you use suspend/resume/hibernate? and what issues are you having? i mean; can you access all partitions?
08:10<mjt>xeon-enouf: apt-cache policy prints available versions, not URLs
08:11<xeon-enouf>mjt: it shows me the mirror
08:11<mjt>yes, but i want the url of the file
08:11<mjt>and even the mirror is incomplete
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08:12<tuxcrafter>hi all i am seeing a warning that the root file system can not be checked and that fsck is missing
08:12<xeon-enouf>mjt: well .. the mirror is part of it :-P
08:12<mjt>it does not show port number and the starting url
08:12<tuxcrafter>the systems works ok but the warning is kind of buggin me
08:12<mjt>starting dir even
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08:12<xeon-enouf>yes it does
08:13<themill>mjt: why do you want this information? perhaps there's an alternative approach
08:13<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: cat /proc/version
08:14<tuxcrafter>btw e2fsprogs is already the newest version
08:14<xeon-enouf>e2fsprogs: /sbin/fsck
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08:14<xeon-enouf>reiserfsprogs: /sbin/reiserfsck
08:14<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: i am using ext3
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08:15<mjt>themill: trying to install x stuff from -testing on lenny. It wants to upgrade everything but I don't want it to do that. So I rebuilt some packages to use whatever libs are in lenny instead, but some has to be used from -testing. I have to d/load them manually.
08:15<tuxcrafter>e2fsprogs 1.41.9-1
08:15<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: and your fstab must be pooched ,, or you converted from ext4?
08:16<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: perhaps you hit that older inode size issue? .. hrm
08:16<tuxcrafter>please tell me what my horrible fstab mistake is then :D
08:16<themill>mjt: you should be able to do that with some careful pinning anyway, although you'd be better to just keep backporting things. Having said that, I think backporting all of xorg to testing is a bit of a mug's game... you may as well just run testing at that stage.
08:16<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: i got this warning on a lot of my system and its not a inode size issue :D
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08:17<mjt>themill: i'm running -testing x right now. Had to rebuild xorg and xorg-server so far, and used input and video drivers from testing (and xkb-data)
08:17<xeon-enouf>"system works ok" == across reboots? .. where are you seeing this " warning that the root file system can not be checked and that fsck is missing" ??
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08:18<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: you cannot have 2 '1' in last field of fstab!
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08:18<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: you make / FS as 1, all others as 2 or 0
08:19<moist>Hey. I had a hardware crash while running upgrades and now the debconf config.dat is locked. how do I manually remove the lock so debconf works again (running dpkg --configure -a did not fix this)
08:19<tuxcrafter>rereading fstab
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08:19<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: look at your / and /home
08:19<mister>xeon-enouf, yes, there are my files. yes, i can access all partitions. yes, i use suspend/resume/hibernate in windxp (first partiton, data saved on this partition). There are no problems at all, but some programs telling me that i have overlapping
08:19<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: ah damm
08:19<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: and why on earth is /sys there?
08:19<tuxcrafter>the second should be 2
08:19<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: and put /proc on top
08:20<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: thanks for the hitting i needed that
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08:20<tuxcrafter>i new i did something wrong there
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08:22<mjt>hm. How to configure xkb nowadays? I used to have option XKBRules etc in xorg.conf, now these things seems to be *ignored*. (I know gnome provides that stuff but I'm not running gnome)
08:22<xeon-enouf>mister: ok .. well i have some ideas, but i have to run right now .. i won;t be back for hours atleast ...
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08:22<jm_>mjt: you can tell X to not ignore it
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08:22<jm_>mjt: maybe it's also mentioned in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/NEWS.Debian.gz
08:23<mjt>i already configured it in xorg.conf
08:23<jm_>yeash you need to add one option to go back to xorg.conf config instead of hal
08:23<mjt>what a mess...
08:24<mjt>my console is en_US, but my X is ru_RU
08:24<mjt>i hate ru in console :)
08:24<jm_>AutoAddDevices and AllowEmptyInput it seems
08:24<jm_>so two options, not one
08:24<mjt>i see
08:24<jm_>I would be surprised if this is not mentioned in that file
08:24<mjt>it is
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08:25<mjt>i just installed xorg from testing. But i did that using dpkg, not apt-get/aptitude.
08:25<mjt>(dpkg does not mention any NEWS)
08:25<jm_>my bro needs to upgrade to that too for kms
08:25<jm_>aptitude doesn't either ;)
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08:26<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: the fsck missing error is still there during bootup
08:26<tuxcrafter> < the new fstab
08:26<mjt>hm. Now I wonder how I can "attach" certain input devices to certain X servers
08:26<tuxcrafter>and /home are on the same disk
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08:27<jm_>you can add several layout sections and start X server with --layout foo
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08:28<jm_>-layout even
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08:28<mjt>jm_: that's done in different xorg.conf files
08:28<mjt>jm_: but now i see how to do it - by specifying particular /dev/input/eventNN in xorg.conf
08:28<mjt>(and never unplugging USB keyboards/mices :)
08:29<jm_>mjt: yes, using event devices
08:30<mjt>jm_: thanks!
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08:31<mister>thank you, my friends)
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08:32<mister>i think i should repartition my hdd
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08:51<Gun_Smoke>ah crap.. pdftk is broken in sid.. Anyone have a second favorite to zip pdf's together?
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08:53<themill>Gun_Smoke: there was some work on pdftk going on the other day... it might get fixed up soon
08:54<Gun_Smoke>pdftk: Depends: libgcj8-1 (>= 4.2.1) which is a virtual package.
08:54<themill>Gun_Smoke: welcome to sid.
08:54<Gun_Smoke>yeah yeah..
08:54<Gun_Smoke>I could liveCD it if I REALLY needed it atm.. but I think I can manage for a bit.
08:55<themill>Gun_Smoke: you might be able to get it to install using equivs and get it to run using a symlink for the needed library...
08:56<themill>Gun_Smoke: sacrificing small furry animals at the appropriate juncture would be advisable though
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08:57<woocyfear>i upgraded my system to unstable, how can i downgrade to testing?
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08:58<woocyfear>or downgrade to stable
08:58<ml|>not possible ;(
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08:59<the-dude>*g* in theory it is possible but I never succesed
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09:00<adb>woocyfear, do a quick reinstall
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09:01<ml|>woocyfear: save your data and reinstall
09:01<the-dude>woocyfear: its not worth the try
09:01<woocyfear>i can't because i don't have cdeom now
09:03<themill>[14:03] <dpkg> Since packages generally migrate from unstable to testing fairly regularly, downgrading from unstable to testing is sometimes possible (see <partial downgrade>). Alternatively change "unstable" to "testing" in your sources.list and wait for packages migrate; installing new packages during this time might be problematic, however. Ask me about <reinstall>.
09:04<ml|>oh dpkg is not around must be taking a break
09:05<handjob>I just did alsa-utils reset 0 to reset alsamixer's settings to default. Although the sound changed the volume levels in mixers are the same. Can someone explain this to me>
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09:08<Gun_Smoke>themill, lol.. roommates yapping dog fits the bill
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09:16<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: ok, back for just a moment, then i'm off for some time ... fstab looks ok now, might want to make /home 0 2 and, has anything been resolved? one error gone? check where your fsck is, did you compile and install e2fsprogs? or apt-get it? if you compiled, it's likely in /usr/local/sbin/ (do 'which fsck' and 'whereis fsck' and lastly 'echo $PATH' to see your PATH)
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09:22<am>hi to all,i sthere any benchmark tool for memory?
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09:22<valdyn>am: hdparm
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09:23<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: issue is still there and addin 2 to the home does nto work/ also its on the same disk so according to man fstab it should be 0
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09:24<enkrypt>is there any way to play the movie trailers from I use iceweasel, and can't get it to work. not with gecko-mediaplayer/mplayer, not with vlc+plugin
09:24<enkrypt>it used to work fine some months ago, but its all tripping out now
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09:25<valdyn>enkrypt: its mpeg-4. about any player can play this
09:26<valdyn>enkrypt: totem for me right now
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09:27<enkrypt>valdyn: both vlc and mplayer fail
09:28<valdyn>enkrypt: i doubt that you are playing an actual movie
09:28<enkrypt>well its only streamable, i cant get to the actual movie file
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09:28<valdyn>enkrypt: nonsense
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09:30<the-dude>where would be a good place to ask something about preseeding debian machine's ?
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09:31<Haymaker>quick question, should a fresh debian netinstall be able to connect to wireless or at least have a wlan0 interface, mine doesnt seem to know what wireless is (first time debian distro user)
09:31<Haymaker>broadcom wireless drivers should be included in the kernel from what ive read
09:31<Haymaker>(if anyone here is awake)
09:32<valdyn>enkrypt: thats one file
09:33<gsimmons>Haymaker: Broadcom chipsets supported by the b43/b43legacy drivers require the use of firmware from userspace. This can be provided through use of the b43-fwcutter package in non-free.
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09:34<valdyn>Haymaker: but only the drivers, not the firmware
09:34<valdyn>Haymaker: the firmware would be in non-free
09:34<Haymaker>is it available through apt?
09:34<valdyn>judd: non-free
09:34<judd>valdyn: Error: "non-free" is not a valid command.
09:35<ml|>when i try to open any of those trailers from apple icweasel crashes here ;(
09:35<gsimmons>Haymaker: has information you may find useful.
09:35<Haymaker>alright ill continue from there
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09:41<rjent>Greetings, I am looking for a usb to vga wireless adapter. Can anyone recommend one?
09:41<Nehyx>rjent: Atheros one
09:41<gsimmons>Haymaker: Apologies, b43-fwcutter is actually in contrib.
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09:42<rjent>Nehyx: first thanks for the reply and second do you have a specific model?
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09:43<babilen>hi all. i am maintaining a local fork of the mutt package from squeeze on my system.
09:43<babilen>so i edit debian/rules to fit my needs, run "dch -l+tokyocabinet" "debuild -i -us -uc -b" and install the new package
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09:43<babilen>then, aptitude wants to upgrade it to the sid version, albeit the fact that i set APT::Default-Release to "squeeze"
09:44<babilen>what might be the reason?
09:44<babilen>priorities: sid / 500, squeeze 990, locally created packages 100
09:45<Nehyx>rjent: Well, modem is the same, I think with "g" one should be good
09:45<babilen>i would like that local package to be upgraded iff a newer version migrates from sid to squeeze
09:45<babilen>and be kept at the local version until then
09:46<rjent>Nehyx: maybe I should look for just a wireless vga and forgo the usb converter part
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10:01<Squelos>anyone here ?
10:02<Ikarus>398 people here
10:02<Squelos>i need help, i had to (well, mostly i wanted to) reinstall debian
10:02<Ikarus>tsk tsk ;)
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10:03<Squelos>and i first tried a kubuntu, but i couldnt get the xorg configured. So i came back to debian (i didnt like the ubuntu, even tho its like debian) so, i am reinstalling debian now, but with my previous install, i had to do a minimal install, then install sudoers, edit the sudo file, then install gnome and configure xorg. How do i need to proceed with KDE ?
10:03<Squelos>is it the same ? i tried doing the same with ubuntu, but it didnt work.
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10:05<Ikarus>it can be the same, yes
10:05<Squelos>and im hesitating between xfce and KDE. Can someone help me make my mind up ? :s
10:06<Ikarus>Squelos: not me
10:06<Squelos>are you using gnome?
10:06<Ikarus>that is holy war ground
10:06<Ikarus>nope, I am using Sawfish and just that
10:06<Squelos>hum ok.
10:06<Squelos>would XFCE be closer to gnome or KDE ?
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10:07<Ikarus>neither, but it is alot nicer imo
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10:07<Squelos>XFCE is a lot nicer ?
10:07<Ikarus>fast, flexible to configure, unixy
10:07<Squelos>i would like something that handles transparency, and that is fast
10:08<Squelos>i didnt really stick with compiz for eg, i found it quite slow
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10:08<Ikarus>Squelos: well, XFCE iirc has support for 2D compositing
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10:08<Ikarus>but compiz should be quite spiffy on any modern hardware
10:08<Ikarus>(I just ran into some driver bugs or else I'd still be using it)
10:09<Squelos>probly du to a bad configuration then. But i had some trouble getting the fglrx drivers installed :(
10:09<Squelos>i liked emerald too.
10:09<Squelos>what would the pro KDE people say ?
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10:09<Ikarus>I think both GNOME and KDE people would insist on an utterly consistent GUI
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10:10<drakeman>good morning!
10:10<Ikarus>btw, anyone here know if I can make the Debian installer when requesting the pre-seed file from a webserver include in the request the GUID/UUID of the machine (and if not availible the UUID based on the MAC) or would I have to modify d-i for that ?
10:11<Squelos>good evening drakeman
10:11<drakeman>Squelos, hey!
10:11<Squelos>you must american :p
10:12<Squelos>the KDE plasma thing looks really cool tho :/
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10:13<Ikarus>Squelos: then go for it if youw ant it
10:14<kaspersky>hi people, good afternoon, good bless you, nice channel. no ip hide. lol
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10:15<Squelos>yeah ill go for KDE :p
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10:17<Squelos>what command will i have to type in to get KDE ?
10:17<Squelos>apt-get install KDE ?
10:17<Squelos>or KDE-full ?
10:18<Squelos>and then , the xorg stuff, is it all the same as for gnome ?
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10:39<Squelos>ml : apt-get install kde4 ?
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10:40<ml|>Squelos: on testing?
10:40<Squelos>im on it :)
10:40<ml|>Squelos: on testing?
10:40<Squelos>yeah, i think KDE4 is only available on testing
10:40<Squelos>im reinstalling now
10:40<ml|>right or sid
10:41<Squelos>btw, im installing stable atm. I just have to switch to SID once this is finished right ?
10:41<ml|>if you are on lenny, you must move to testing to use kde4
10:41<ml|>no, sid just testing if you like
10:41<Squelos>yes, thats what i was saying :)
10:42<Squelos>testing = testing or does testing have a little name ?
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10:44<ml|>where is dpkg when you need him/her ;)
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10:51<mvv>Hi, I build a custom ssh .deb, how do I define it as a upgrade to the existing ssh package?
10:52<mvv>conflict and replace in the control file does not do it
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10:55<moist>Hey. I had a hardware crash while running upgrades and now the debconf config.dat is locked. how do I manually remove the lock so debconf works again (running dpkg --configure -a did not fix this)
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11:14<jadl>no se si esto es lo correcto, puedo hacer otra pregunta aquí?
11:15<jadl>es que estoy probando lo de : cp -v Flash.... /home/jadl/archivo.flv
11:15<jadl>pero luego leo el archivo y no es valido
11:15<jadl>que pasa
11:15<azeem>jadl: #debian-es
11:15<azeem>this is an english channel here
11:15<jadl>tengo back track 4
11:16<jadl>I'm sorry
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11:16<jadl>Help me!!!
11:17<jadl>why file.flv don't work
11:17<jadl>sorry for my English...
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11:24<azeem>jadl: go to #debian-es
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11:30<mjt>bittin: dpkg is on vacation today, it seems
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11:32<nathan_>Does anyone know which package has the C standard library man pages? glibc-doc doesn't seem to.
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11:34<wekt>the doxygen, if it exists might be even more helpful. But he sure got out of here fast.
11:34<bittin>mjt: yepp :p
11:34*hdon prefers man
11:34*hdon rethinks that phrasing
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11:36<chiku>the bot gone?
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12:09<chealer>chiku: yes
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12:13<hdon>will GNU gettext(3) automatically translate common error strings like "No such file or directory"?
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12:14<mjt>hdon: it already does that
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12:15<hdon>mjt: when you say "already" does that mean something different than when i say "automatically?"
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12:16<mjt>i was referring to "will" :)
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12:16<InkBottle>Hi, I did upgrade-grub-legacy (every thing was normal before), then I have an "error 15"
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12:16<mjt>i dunno really. It's quite annoying to see the translated error messages like that (I've seen them alot) in syslog - in different languages.
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12:16<hdon>i wrote a simple test program to take strings from the commandline and feed them through gettext(), but i can't seem to get it to translate anything
12:16<InkBottle>I suppose I can't do anything without inserting a disk
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12:16<hdon>mjt: well that's why there's a separate LC_MESSAGES setting, i think
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12:17<mjt>hdon: i want separate LC_MESSAGES for syslog only, so that a program will present message in native language to the user but log english message to syslog.
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12:17<hdon>i'm really just trying to test basic gettext(3) functionality. i've never used it. just started playing around.
12:17<bobby__>I now under Squeeze, and the mouse cursor is slightly different (a watch when system is busy), how can I change that to the theme I had unde lenny?
12:18<mjt>maybe it's done in strerror(), not gettext()
12:18<hdon>yeah, i'm thinking that might be it
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12:19<hdon>maybe i don't have any other locales installed
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12:20<cahoot>bobby__: look at /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme
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12:20<hdon>actually i just installed french and i can't seem to get rm(1) to give me a french error message
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12:21<cahoot>bobby__: update-alternatives
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12:24<bobby__>cahoot: could you please be a bit more specific as to what I should do?
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12:24<joshb> /help
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12:26<cahoot>bobby__: I'd guess you need install some cursor theme(s), then run update-alternatives --list x-cursor-theme
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12:27<InkBottle>about my grub error 15?
12:27<cahoot>bobby__: or possibly more to the point: update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
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12:32<bobby__>OK, that seems to work, any idea where I could get (download) the default lenny mouse theme?
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12:33<InkBottle>would you recommend install-disk or this:
12:34<petemc>install disk works fine as a rescue disk
12:35<petemc>hmm, no bot
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12:35<adb>dpkg> it has been said that rescue is at ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?"). Ask me about <rescue mode>. See also <fixmbr> and <i forgot root's password>
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12:40<asdjbad>hi i installed logwatch in lenny and wwant to set up config, but i have /usr/share/logwatch default.conf and dist.conf
12:40<asdjbad>whitch one should i edit? thanks
12:41<petemc>asdjbad: look in /etc/
12:41<asdjbad>on etc there is no logwatch.conf
12:41<asdjbad>that was the first place i search for
12:41<asdjbad>let me confirm
12:41<petemc>is there a logwatch dir?
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12:42<asdjbad>yes but no config files
12:42<petemc>is there a README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/logwatch/ ?
12:42<asdjbad>cd /etc/logwatch/conf and there is lofiles and services
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12:43<annakamilla>olá gente
12:43<asdjbad>yes but i already looked on faq, but gonna read the manual
12:43<asdjbad>gonna back if can't find answer
12:43<asdjbad>annakamilla, ola :)
12:43<annakamilla>hi people
12:44<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: you're reading the man fstab page incorrectly then
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12:44<annakamilla>como que registro a minha distro como debian pure blend
12:44<sney>#debian-br para portugues
12:44<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: hmm
12:45<asdjbad>thanks petemc i looked faq but readme is better
12:45<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: you haven't shown output of any of the various commands i asked you .. whereis, which, echo $PATH, etc.. and .. you haven't said where/when this "error" is occuring, check your log files, and /msg dpkg bootlogd
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12:50<tuxcrafter> /msg
12:50<tuxcrafter> dpkg bootlogd
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12:53<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: the error occurs during bootup directly after grub went on i dont know how to save that logs except for using a console tty for grub
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13:01<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: i need to run out again -- take a digital photo and paste to or whatever ; use Scrollock to pause boot (Shift+PageUp to scroll back if needed) hit scrolllock again to resume booting, or any key
13:02<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: enabling bootlogd might also have messsges in /var/log/boot
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13:09<strangedrbrown>hi together, is there any video player which is able to play rm files? (except real player..)
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13:12<adama>mplayer should
13:13<dkr>mplayer does
13:13<strangedrbrown>no.. "cannot find codec"..
13:14<dkr>aptitude install w32codecs
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13:14<dkr>after adding this to your /etc/apt/sources.list :) deb lenny main
13:15<asdjbad>is there any gui in debian lenny that i can see what process are starting with computer?
13:15<dkr>asdjbad: ksysv
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13:16<asdjbad>and for gnome?
13:16<dkr>dunno, I just did aptitude search sysv and that one came up
13:16<asdjbad>oh ok
13:17<asdjbad>the think is i want to disable services i don't use
13:17<strangedrbrown>ok thx!
13:17<dkr>asdjbad: gnome
13:17<asdjbad>gonna google
13:17<asdjbad>yeah i did that
13:17<asdjbad>but it apears generic things, not the real process
13:17<asdjbad>is like
13:18<dkr>asdjbad: unchecking them there may just prevent them from being started at boot, not kill them right then
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13:18<strangedrbrown>ah i use ubuntu ibex. should i use deb lenny main anyway?
13:18<asdjbad>i have some dns multicas service discovery, actions scheduler graphical login manager
13:18<dkr>strangedrbrown: no, you should ask #ubuntu
13:19<asdjbad>but what i want to see is the detailed process
13:19<asdjbad>like gnome login etc
13:19<dkr>asdjbad: that's there, it's called gdm
13:19<strangedrbrown>ok, thx
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13:20<dkr>as for exactly which processes each init script runs, well, the init scripts themselves are the best source for that
13:22<asdjbad>ok dkr many thanks
13:22<asdjbad>i'm now taking care of ssh conf
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13:28<asdjbad>one more thing. i can't remove evolution cuz when i try it wants to remove gnome :S any clue?
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13:30<InkBottle_>Can I use cdrdao (cli) to burn a netinst cd?
13:31<cahoot>no wodim on the system?
13:32<InkBottle_>there is
13:32<InkBottle_>but what's the difference?
13:32<InkBottle_>I don't understand:
13:32<cahoot>no idea but wodim <my.iso> is what I use
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13:32<InkBottle_>k3b uses cdrdao to burn in dao mode
13:32<InkBottle_>brasero uses wodim to burn in dao mode
13:33<InkBottle_>but i don't see any example of cdrdao to burn an iso
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13:33<InkBottle_>cahoot: ok i do it
13:34<InkBottle_>will that work? wodim -v dev=/dev/cdrw isoimage.iso
13:35<cahoot>if /dev/cdrw corresponds to you writer yes
13:36<InkBottle_>by the way
13:36<InkBottle_>I have an error 15 at grub start
13:36<cahoot> simply wodim my.iso works fine here
13:36<InkBottle_>after upgrade-grub-from-legacy
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13:36<InkBottle_> simply wodim my.iso works fine here :)
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13:43<InkBottle_>is there a dedicated channel to speak of grub from legacy issue?
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13:57<dpkguser>dpkg gives me an error when i try to install
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13:58<dpkguser>error:dpkg: failed to open package info file `/usr/lib/db/status' for reading: No such file or directory
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14:02<InkBottle_>$ md5sum debian-503-i386-netinst.iso ; wodim debian-503-i386-netinst.iso ; md5sum /dev/cdrom
14:03<InkBottle_>52794007fa5cc7b90d18943e867f05de debian-503-i386-netinst.iso
14:03<InkBottle_>Using /dev/cdrom of unknown capabilities
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14:03<InkBottle_>c99a74c555371a433d121f551d6c6398 /dev/cdrom
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14:05<InkBottle_>I'm trying this instead: -v dev=/dev/cdrw
14:05<dpkguser>heeelp me
14:06<valdyn>InkBottle_: your cdrom is larger than the iso
14:06<jpinx>dpkguser: why not use aptitude?
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14:07<valdyn>InkBottle_: "cmp /dev/cdrom file.iso"
14:07<InkBottle_>valdyn: what do you mean? ok I do that
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14:07<valdyn>InkBottle_: i mean what i said
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14:08<dpkguser>trying to upgrade dpkg to use aptitude
14:08<InkBottle_>:) two sentences on the same line
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14:10<InkBottle_>valdyn: does that mean it's all right? cmp: EOF on /dev/cdrw
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14:10<valdyn>InkBottle_: no, it means that it is alright up to the end of the cdrom
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14:11<valdyn>InkBottle_: maybe the iso has useless padding data at the end
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14:12<InkBottle_>it is debian-503-netinst
14:12<dpkguser>help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
14:12<valdyn>InkBottle_: in your case the iso file is bigger than the netinst iso
14:12<gomoran>Is there any chance to get AllowDeactivateGrabs in the xserver in Squeeze to get to work again?
14:12<valdyn>InkBottle_: that is probably ok, i cant guarantee it
14:13<InkBottle_>but this checksum is ok: 52794007fa5cc7b90d18943e867f05de debian-503-i386-netinst.iso
14:14<valdyn>InkBottle_: the checksum is not very useful in this case as the size of the cdrom is smaller than the size of the iso for whatever reason
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14:14<valdyn>InkBottle_: why are you doing this ?
14:15<valdyn>InkBottle_: the cdrom will check itself optionally at install time
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14:15<InkBottle_>valdyn: I didn't know that
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14:16<InkBottle_>valdyn: because I've every time did like that and I've had many problems of this kind already in the past :)
14:17<moist>Hey. I had a hardware crash while running upgrades and now the debconf config.dat is locked. how do I manually remove the lock so debconf works again (running dpkg --configure -a did not fix this)
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14:17<valdyn>moist: /var/run/ or /var/lock/
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14:19<moist>valdyn: find -iname '*debconf*' doesn't find anything in either of those directories
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14:20<moist>valdyn: the exact error message is 'debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable', I haven't been successful using it as a google query though
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14:22<moist>valdyn: ah, silly me. there was a dpkg process running from one of my earlier attempts to fix this mess the outage create, killing it resolved the problem.
14:22<valdyn>moist: something in your diagnosis doesnt make sense when debconf is using flock()
14:22<valdyn>moist: thats it
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14:54<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: back for a bit
14:54<xeon-enouf>Pitxyoki: see unofficial, find hotbabe :-P
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14:55<Pitxyoki>That was almost as good as
14:55<xeon-enouf>and i don't mean dmm
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14:55<xeon-enouf>modass is a nice one
14:56<kop>xeon-enouf: What's "unofficial"?
14:56<Pitxyoki>...and (caca is poo in portuguese)
14:56<xeon-enouf> or something, can't recall offhand - maybe
14:57<xeon-enouf>caca is poo is any language :-P
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15:00<xeon-enouf>gotta love; "(sarge, etch, sid)"
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15:11<InkBottle_>netinst had found my wireless connection; but it asks me for a WEP key, though I use WPA
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15:17<Txt_file>InkBottle_: I know this problem. But I don't know any workaround except to use LAN instead.
15:18<InkBottle_>Txt_file: ok
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15:19<InkBottle_>have someone fixed grub2?
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15:22<attila>ciao a tutti
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15:39<webber>Pomogite nastroit' perekluchenie na russkij yazik
15:40<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
15:40<InkBottle_>I've put what I've done for grub on #grub
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16:53<LinuxOwnsMe>hi community
16:53<LinuxOwnsMe>i have a simple question for you
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16:54<LinuxOwnsMe>where do i find config.php of mysql ?
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16:55<LinuxOwnsMe>any ideas?
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16:55<weasel>you have much to learn young skywalker
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16:58<LinuxOwnsMe>where do i find config.php of mysql ?
16:58<LinuxOwnsMe>still no ideas?
16:59<rudi_s_>LinuxOwnsMe: There is no config.php for mysql, maybe you mean config.php for phpmyadmin. That should be in the tarball.
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16:59<LinuxOwnsMe>where is the tarball rudis?
16:59<rudi_s_>LinuxOwnsMe: On the phpmyadmin homepage I guess.
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17:00<LinuxOwnsMe>i installed phpmyadim
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17:00<LinuxOwnsMe>but there is no config.php rudi_s_
17:00<LinuxOwnsMe>i need it to change my pw
17:01<Cigniter>can someone help me to install library gd on the server
17:01<rudi_s_>LinuxOwnsMe: ./etc/phpmyadmin/
17:01<rudi_s_>That is /etc/...
17:01<LinuxOwnsMe>thak you
17:01<LinuxOwnsMe>very mutch
17:01<rudi_s_>Cigniter: For PHP?
17:02<rudi_s_>You're welcome.
17:02<rudi_s_>LinuxOwnsMe: dpkg -L phpmyadmin gives you all files installed by a package.
17:02<rudi_s_>Cigniter: aptitude install php5-gd
17:02<LinuxOwnsMe>okay i see
17:03<LinuxOwnsMe>and there i can change my password for mysql
17:03<LinuxOwnsMe>to create databases?
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17:03<Cigniter>i've already tried apt-get install php5-gd and gives several dependecies errors
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17:04<slush>Cigniter: have you upgraded recently?
17:05<valdyn>Cigniter: we cannot support dotdeb crap
17:05<dpkg>from memory, dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from ask me about <backports> and <>
17:06<rudi_s_>LinuxOwnsMe: You can change the password phpmyadmin uses to login to mysql.
17:07<slush>valdyn: how did you recognize that?
17:07<valdyn>slush: on his screenshot
17:07<Cigniter>i guess no, should it solves dependency errors?
17:07<slush>oh right, i see it now
17:09<slush>Cigniter: like valdyn and dpkg stated, we wont (even if we could) help you
17:10<Cigniter>it seems the server uses some external packages,libs ,is that the reason?
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17:10<valdyn>Cigniter: whatever the reason may be, please use the packages from debian or from
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17:11<valdyn>Cigniter: easy to see that dotdeb relies on packages that are made for etch
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17:15<Cigniter>should i install an updated version of debian from scratch?
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17:24<jstein>how should i upgrade a debian testing from KDE3.5 to the KDE4.x? Is there a good howto? I fear my aptitude is giong crazu at the moment....
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17:25<rudi_s_>!tell jstein about kde4
17:26<jstein>ok rudi_s_
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17:28<Squelos>i installed debian sid and KDE4. i got the kernel. And when i try to install the fglrx drivers, it says i need the headers.
17:28<Squelos>but i cant find them in the sid repos
17:28<Squelos>should i get them in the lenny repos ?
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17:31<chealer>Squelos: why do you use
17:32<Squelos>dunno, thats the kernel i have on the cd :p
17:32<Squelos>what other one should i use ?
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17:36<blendmaster1024>:) let's see if my hack works... i am trying to build a debianlive cd still, and i used equivs to fix a conflict problem - now i'm going to find out if the workaround is working around the conflict :)
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17:38<Squelos>chealer, what else should i use ?
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17:38<chealer>Squelos: sid's (if you really think sid is best for you)
17:39<Cigniter> which debian version do you recommed me to install?
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17:40<Squelos>i just use sid for KDE 4 actually
17:40<Squelos>lenny :p
17:40<Cigniter>thanks guys,
17:40<Squelos>chealer, upgrading the kernel isnt an easy operation :/
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17:42<chealer>Squelos: you don't need sid for KDE 4. using sid with is not supported
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17:42<blendmaster1024>Squelos, is kde 4 in lenny?
17:42<Squelos>do i not need sid for KDE anymore ? O.o
17:42<Squelos>well, i thought KDE4 was only in sid
17:43<Squelos>is the plasma thing inlenny ?
17:43<blendmaster1024>and i thought sid was older then lenny
17:44<chealer>jstein: just try to upgrade like other packages
17:44<chealer>Squelos: plasma is not in lenny, no
17:45<jstein>chealer, aptitude calculates tons of dependency problems and i fear its not a good idea to let aptitude solve them without any help or hints
17:45<Squelos>what are my possibilities then ?
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17:47<chealer>jstein: why? there is no howto.
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17:47<chealer>Squelos: I suppose you should reinstall testing
17:47<Squelos>oh sorry chealer, i am in testing, not unstable :s
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17:48<Squelos>i always mix up squeeze and sid
17:48<Squelos>im under squeeze.
17:48<jstein>chealer, aptitude suggests to remove important packages like xorg-server and things like that. And after 20 min. caculation there are still 100 unresolved dependencies
17:48<chealer>Squelos: still, using squeeze with is not supported
17:49<Squelos>what can i do then :/
17:49<chealer>jstein: when doing what?
17:49<Squelos>is using lenny with supported ?
17:49<chealer>Squelos: upgrade / install a new Linux
17:50<chaos>how do i get vendor id from the system ram?
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17:50<jstein>chealer, aptitude install [packages of kde4] / or aptitude full-upgrade
17:50<chaos>i'm more than happy with vendor name too
17:50<Squelos>chealer, where can i download a netinst cd with the latest kernel ? i got fucked, i downloaded a "new" netinst, and i was still a 2.6.26 kernel
17:50<blendmaster1024>chaos, uhh... pull the system case open and look?
17:51<chaos>that's not possible
17:51<blendmaster1024>as in, i don't know :P
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17:52<jstein>chealer, i will try to full-upgrade tomorrow and fix problems afterwards. bye
17:52<blendmaster1024>DANG!!! MY HACK... ARGH!!!
17:52<chealer>jstein: which packages are not up-to-date?
17:53<chealer>Squelos: no. only the Linux versions in stable are supported (2.6.26-19)
17:53<jstein>chealer, many (thousands) we did no update since 4 (?) months
17:53<chealer>jstein: then "aptitude full-upgrade" will not just upgrade KDE, it will upgrade lots of other stuff
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17:54<chealer>jstein: as for "aptitude install [packages of kde4]", you'd need to show the actual command and its results
17:54<jstein>chealer, yes. and i hope its better to update all then to mix old and new
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17:55<chealer>jstein: mixing old and new should be better than all old, as long as package relationships allow
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17:56<Guest2795>hellowi from backtrackyyy world
17:56<jstein>chealer, would you suggest to install step by step, or make one full upgrade?
17:56<chealer>Squelos: I believe offers the "latest" on current testing netinst CDs.
17:57<chealer>jstein: if you have trouble, start with the easy parts
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17:57<jstein>chealer, ok thank you and good night.
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18:00<Squelos>chealer, thats where i got it, yesterday -_-. i was on the french but it should be the same
18:00<Squelos>shudnt it ?
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18:08<dokko>alguien quiere chat
18:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:12<chealer>Squelos: it should. I'm not sure, do you know when the image was built?
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18:13<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: i will sent a picture later this day, my camera here is not good enough :)
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18:14<Squelos>no i dont.
18:14<Squelos>how can i come back to lenny after upgrading to squeeze ?
18:14<Squelos>can i simply do an aptitude full-upgrade -t lenny ?
18:14<ebrima>is simple
18:14<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn>, or <unstable->testing>
18:14<ml|>no whay jose
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18:15<ebrima>can some one help me plz
18:15<ml|>Squelos: what happened that you want to downgrade?
18:16<Squelos>i want plasma, so i upgraded to squeeze.
18:16<Squelos>but my kernel aint supported
18:16<ml|>ebrima: ask your question
18:16<Squelos>and i dont want to bother getting my kernel upgraded :D
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18:16<ml|>what kernel do you have? and it's simple to upgrade your kernel
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18:17<Squelos>is it simple ?
18:18<ml|>aren't you in squeeze now?
18:18<Squelos>yes im in squeeze
18:19<ml|>a full-upgrade should upgrade your kernel, if not do it by hand
18:19<tuxcrafter>hi all i am using a pppoe connection on a debian server to connect directly to the internet
18:19<tuxcrafter>and i am having qos issues
18:20<tuxcrafter>when i start downloading on the server the connection gets such load the system becomes not pingable anymore until the dowload on the server stops (apt-get update)
18:20<tuxcrafter>is that normal for pppoe?
18:22<fgh>Stopping processing here.
18:22<fgh>Please contact me if you need assistance.
18:22<fgh>"stopping processing here" what that?
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18:23<fgh>leaving the bug unfixed?
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18:26<ml|>fgh: it seems fine here ... i think that is bts thing 'Debian Bug Tracking System'
18:29<chealer>fgh: Julien's message is addressed both to control@bugs.d.o and to the bug report. control says "Stopping processing here." at the "thanks", and ignores the rest of the mail.
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18:32<ml|>fgh: if you go to the page i linked, toggle useless messages and you will see what the dd sent to bts like ... 'Bug reassigned from package 'x11-common' to 'xserver-xorg-video-sis'. Request was from Julien Cristau'
18:33<ml|>fgh: you can read how this works in under the docs section 'Bug tracking system documentation'
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18:34<fgh>will do, thanks. but i can still hope for a fix on this bug then?
18:35<ml|>fgh: read the message Julien is asking for more info
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18:48<blendmaster1024>i want to use my local repo, not download a gigabyte from the internet!! how the f^($ do i do that???
18:49<dondelelcaro>blendmaster1024: give your local repository as a mirror
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18:52<blendmaster1024>forget it. i'm going to take my laptop somewhere and play with blender. i have live-hinderer..... wait, ok...
18:53<blendmaster1024>i hate* , that sentence had no intensity as "i have"
18:54<dondelelcaro>the documentation is your friend...
18:54<blendmaster1024>..."The generic mirror is *added* to the live-system's /etc/apt/sources.list." that means that it will still try to download 50M of updates on my 5kb/s connection!
18:55<blendmaster1024>forget it, i'm going the long and guaranteed way. bye
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19:01<fgh>;bug=546714 - so i could just run the script julien asks for and reply to ? (sorry, havent ever been into the bug-thingie)
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19:02<ml|>fgh: yes, should read the docs i suggested tho when you get a chance
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19:06<adama>judd: versions moonlight
19:06<judd>adama: moonlight -- lenny-multimedia: 1.0~b2-0.1
19:06<valdyn>tuxcrafter: that is not pppoe, that is your dsl modem
19:07<valdyn>tuxcrafter: try the wondershaper package, the important thing is to cap your bandwidth below the "real" bandwidth
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19:08<debuser>help me my package database is corrupt
19:08<valdyn>debuser: look at /var/backups/
19:08<dpkg>run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first then see above. Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available"
19:08<debuser>there is no backup
19:09<debuser>i dont have apt
19:09<valdyn>debuser: like theres an alternative -> there is not
19:10<llimeht>debuser: what do you mean by "i dont have apt"
19:10<debuser>i dont have apt installed
19:10<llimeht>debuser: what sort of debian do you have?
19:10<debuser>how i can create a new db
19:10<valdyn>debuser: the package database is not made by apt, the stuff dpkg told you works without apt
19:11<valdyn>debuser: still you *do* have apt unless you manually removed it
19:11<debuser>i did
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19:11<debuser>what i should do to create new db
19:11<valdyn>debuser: read what dpkg said
19:12<debuser>ill try
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19:12<fbt>hi, has anyone been able to build fglrx and make it work on squeeze 2.6.30-1-amd64?
19:12<debuser>another thing my db id /user/lib/db
19:12<debuser>id - is
19:13<valdyn>debuser: debian has no /usr/lib/db for packages
19:13<debuser>id = is i wrote bad
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19:13<llimeht>debuser: what sort of debian do you have?
19:13<debuser>a normal debian
19:13<valdyn>debuser: actually debian has no /usr/lib/db at all
19:14<debuser>just i removed apt a moved my db
19:14<azeem>debuser: then you don't have Debian anymore
19:14<azeem>but debuser-OS
19:14<debuser>oh oh
19:14<llimeht>debuser: can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt" for us?
19:14<azeem>debuser: ask debuser to fix it
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19:15<debuser>dpkg-query: failed to open package info file `/usr/lib/db/status' for reading: No such file or directory
19:15<valdyn>debuser: about time you tell us how you fucked this up like that
19:16<valdyn>debuser: debian does not "invent" directories
19:16<debuser>i dont have any idea
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19:17<valdyn>the path is /var/lib/dpkg/
19:17-!-xbytemx [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:17<valdyn>and I already told you that backups of status are in /var/backup/
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19:18<debuser>my installation of dpkg tries to read from /usr/lib/db
19:18<debuser>why ?? i dont know
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19:19<valdyn>debuser: youre trolling?
19:20<valdyn>debuser: this is not debian, those paths are hardcoded into the binaries, theres no way to fuck that up incidentally
19:20<debuser>ok isnt debian
19:21<azeem>debuser: then ask elsewhere
19:21<llimeht>really? we hadn't noticed...
19:22<debuser>but is equivalent
19:22<azeem>!based on debian
19:22<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
19:22<valdyn>being stupid enough to put dynamic data into /usr/lib is hardly equivalent to debian
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19:24<debuser>this happened whien i tried to update to the newest version of dpkg
19:24<llimeht>"equivalent" and some how strangely broken
19:25<valdyn>someone compiled dpkg from source and forgot some switch(es)
19:25<debuser>what switches
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19:26<valdyn>so this is either some insanely stupid bug in a non-debian derived distro or someone who compiled dpkg at home
19:26<blendmaster1024>what is /etc/debian_chroot?
19:26<debuser>the second option
19:26<valdyn>debuser: good way to get help by letting US guess what you did instead of asking the real question
19:27<debuser>im sorry
19:27<valdyn> /configure --prefix=/usr --admindir=/var/lib/dpkg
19:27<azeem>debuser: self-compiled dpkg isn't supported here
19:27<valdyn> ./configure --prefix=/usr --admindir=/var/lib/dpkg
19:27<azeem>debuser: if you have other Debian-related questions, you are fine to ask them
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20:10<heartbeats>is it possible to indatall python 2.6
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20:11<blendmaster1024>no, python 2.6 is not possible to install, anywhere, on any machine, no matter what
20:11<blendmaster1024>unless you install it
20:12<heartbeats>i just want to done a projetc
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20:12<heartbeats>but i need python 2.6 or higher
20:12<heartbeats>i downloaded the .deb file
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20:13<heartbeats>can you any one tell me what i can do with it?
20:13<jpinx>judd: versions python
20:13<judd>jpinx: python -- etch: 2.4.4-2 lenny: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.4-2 squeeze: 2.5.4-2 experimental: 2.5.4-3
20:14<jpinx>heartbeats: no
20:14<heartbeats>i know
20:14<heartbeats>but sombody told me
20:14<heartbeats>by done fake login we can install it..
20:15<jpinx>somebady was wrong
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20:15<heartbeats>how can i create pakages
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20:15<heartbeats>is it possible to instal;l .deb files
20:16<jpinx>man dpkg
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20:38<blendmaster1024>does anybody know off the top of your head what /etc/kernel-img.conf is?
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20:40<heartbeats> libdb4.4 how can install it
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20:40<ml|>blendmaster1024: man kernel-img.conf
20:41<blendmaster1024>ok thx
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20:50<heartbeats>debian/changelog' can u please explain whats it
20:51<ml|>dpkg changelog
20:51<dpkg>The Debian changelog for foo can be found in /usr/share/doc/foo/ if foo is installed, with $ dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile foo.deb| tar --wildcards -xOf - '*changelog.Debian.gz'|gzip -d|less; if you have a non-installed .deb, or on if foo is built from source package bar.
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20:53<heartbeats>can k
20:54<heartbeats>how can i save vi debian/control
20:55<heartbeats>after opening vi debian/control how can i save it
20:55<heartbeats>any idea
20:56<heartbeats>when i type in terminal vi debian/control
20:56<heartbeats>it opens a window for editing then how can i save it?
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20:58<ml|>heartbeats: save what?
20:59<heartbeats>some codes in vi debain/control
20:59<ml|>heartbeats: like sney said :w to save :q to quit or just :wq man vi
21:00<xeon-enouf>or shift+ZZ heartbeats
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21:01<heartbeats>2 times z
21:01<ml|>heartbeats: also to see the commands/help :h
21:01<oigres>I used a package that automatically configured the printer. It was a simple scritp that configured /etc/printcap (and of course is not CUPS). Anyone's got a clue about this?
21:02<ml|>heartbeats: like :h :w
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21:06<xeon-enouf>oigres: /msg dpkg apt-file
21:06<ml|>heartbeats: vimtutor might be of help
21:07<ml|>tho not all commands translate to vi, but most will just use vim anyways
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21:08<bittin>dpkg: kernels
21:08<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20090916, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.31-git6, mainline 2.6: 2.6.31 , stable 2.6: 2.6.31 , stable 2.6.30: , stable 2.6.29: , stable 2.6.28: , stable 2.6.27: , stable 2.4.37:
21:08<bittin>dpkg: debiankernels
21:08<dpkg>bittin: i haven't a clue
21:08<xeon-enouf>$ apt-file search printcap | grep etc
21:08<xeon-enouf>vtprint: /etc/vtprintcap
21:08<heartbeats>means what?
21:08<bittin>:( what was the command for checking what kernels that are in apt?
21:08<xeon-enouf>is all i get here
21:08<ml|>bittin: /msg judd kernel
21:09<xeon-enouf>heartbeats: C Compiler options
21:09<ml|>bittin: also /msg dpkg kernel for vanilla kernel versions
21:09<bittin>still no 2.6.31 :(
21:09<xeon-enouf>!trunk kernel
21:09<dpkg>Visit for information on installing the kernel team's latest experimental kernels. Also visit #debian-kernel on for more information on these kernels. See or ask me about <kernel package>. Remember these packages are previews and work in progress. Handle with care. is currently offline.
21:10<xeon-enouf>or .. wait
21:10<bittin>i want the stable one as it is in stable
21:10<ml|>bittin: 2.6.31 has somebugs
21:10<heartbeats>why not saving in vi debian/rules
21:10<bittin>ml|: :o
21:11<xeon-enouf>heartbeats: not root?
21:11<xeon-enouf>no permission?
21:11<heartbeats>yap in root terminal
21:11<ml|>:wq should do
21:11<xeon-enouf>use vim :-P
21:11<heartbeats>can't open file for writting
21:11<xeon-enouf>use nano!
21:11<bittin>nano ftw :)
21:12<ml|>read only file? use :wq! like xeon-enouf said
21:12<heartbeats>its the error
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21:12<bittin>vim maffian
21:12<ml|>!start a editor war
21:12<ml|>!start an editor war
21:12<dpkg>zile sucks
21:13<bittin>!start an editor war
21:13<dpkg>ae users can't think straight
21:13<bittin>!start an editor war
21:13<dpkg>zile blows
21:13<bittin>best dpkg command evar or something
21:13<ml|>vi/vim ftw
21:14<blendmaster1024>i love vim ... not esc meta alt ctrl slash (eww)
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21:18<heartbeats>how can i install
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21:48<nteon>i wanted to say thanks to the Debian community for having awesome documentation. I was having some initrd issues, but was able to diagnose it with information found on the wiki. so thanks!
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22:44<bobby__>my computer "froze" twice today, and it never did before....
22:44<bobby__>is there any way to pinpoint the possible cause (some log file for example)?
22:45<bobby__>I'm under squeeze
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23:27<nas>hi guys could this error be related to the audit package? "Sep 13 07:16:17 vpsmisc02 kernel: device eth0 left promiscuous mode
23:27<nas>Sep 13 07:16:17 vpsmisc02 kernel: audit(1252797377.842:115): dev=eth0 prom=0 old_prom=256 auid=4294967295
23:27<nas>Sep 13 07:16:17 vpsmisc02 kernel: device eth0 entered promiscuous mode"
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23:48<Mish_>I'm going insane, I'm obviously missing something... I have a load balancing server (lb) that sits on from of two DNS server ('a' and 'b') when the 'lb' server gets a request it load balances between the two servers and returns a result, it returns it as its own IP though which causes an issue. I can't get the MASQUERADE rule right in iptables to get it to return the results as its own IP... :/
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23:55<ret>anyone know anything about runescape on debian?
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