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00:03<ret>guess not >.>
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00:07<eduardo>do u liek mudkipz?
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00:19<svksrz>I have a very simple problem that is really annoying me: I am trying to extract a .tar.bz2 and it keeps telling me that: tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
00:19<svksrz>Or that: tar: z: Cannot open: No such file or directory
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00:20<svksrz>I realize that this is a general linux familiarity issue and not specifically Debian - I have been trying for a few days and decided to try here before I abandon my search
00:20<svksrz>-rwxrwxrwx 1 svksrz svksrz 36394 2009-09-06 20:31 cmos.tar.bz2 are the permissions on the file
00:20<gsimmons>svksrz: You need to install the bzip2 package ; /msg dpkg search
00:21<svksrz>gsimmons; thank you thank you x1000 thank you
00:21<ml|>tar xjf should extract it yes you bzip2
00:22<svksrz>Ahaha, thank you ml| and gsimmons, so so so easy - I was missing it entirely
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00:24<ml|>svksrz: you should read the debian reference /msg dpkg reference also /msg dpkg grounding
00:24<svksrz>I NEEEEEDED this because this on this old 1998 laptop, I forgot the BIOS password (the only documentation on the entire system's specifics that I don't have written)
00:25<svksrz>I have it set to boot from HDD and I just cannot re-install from netinst disk with it - I get through to some circumventive boot from CD thing and it reads it and shows me the install splash but then freezes -
00:25<svksrz>ml| I will, thank you.
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00:27<ml|>svksrz: did you check the download before burning the cd and after the cd?
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00:29<svksrz>ml| no, daily testing build, 67% redownloading now and reburning to diff type of CD with new k3d stuff installed
00:30<svksrz>I think it will def be different so I'm keeping my fingers crossed this time
00:30<ml|>dpkg: check iso
00:30<dpkg>ml|: I give up, what is it?
00:31<ml|>dpkg: check iso image
00:31<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD image, see . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the iso image on the mirror.
00:32<ml|>svksrz: that might at fault using a daily testing iso, why not use the lenny installer?
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00:32<svksrz>ml|, I should use the lenny installer? I could do that
00:34<ml|>it's up to you, but daily testing iso might fail, it is a testing image after all
00:34<ml|>svksrz: you want to use testing and not stable?
00:35<svksrz>Yes, definately. I would be doing squeeze repos asafp if I used lenny
00:35<ml|>if so use the lenny installer, then move to testing
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00:35<svksrz>You're right, that's a good idea.
00:36<ml|>svksrz: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
00:36<svksrz>I am using this old old 1998 compaq laptop (2100) and even xfce is so slow on it (didn't expect MUCH more though)
00:36<svksrz>I am going to be using lxde, is that a good choice? Another question: using startx, would that speed up my system any more than if I used xdm?
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00:37<svksrz>This is a temporary/trash/storage/irc laptop anyway - i just need to reinstall after 2 years of not turning it on
00:37<ml|>do a minimal install and add from there, you could use a wm or a light de like lxde, yes
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00:37<svksrz>Definately, thank you - I am pretty familiar, been using debian since sarge for a desktop and am good at hosing my system and getting it back, dist-upgrade, everything...
00:38<svksrz>bzip2 package just totally eluded me
00:38<svksrz>Turns out I didn't even need that bz2 anyway. :(
00:38<ml|>to refresh your memory look over the install guide /msg dpkg install guide
00:38<svksrz>thanks ml|, big help
00:41<ml|>svksrz: one last thing, by not using a dm you will use less memory and startup time should be a bit faster, another option is to use slim /msg dpkg slim
00:46<ml|>forgot slim is not in testing any more only in lenny and sid
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00:49<edbian>Is there a way to get a debugger to run inside geany?
00:49<edbian>I'm looking for a good IDE for C++. I'd like syntax highlighting. Data trees and a decent debugger that shows variables at different times and has the typical break points. Step in, over, out and such. Any suggestions?
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01:02<adamy>Hey guys. I installed debian sparc /w a minimal install, and I need to install the audio drivers (I'm guessing OSS or also). Does anyone know the package that I must install?
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01:03<adamy>when I installed the entire desktop metapackage, I had sound, but this machine really needs a minimal install.
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01:07<adamy>also, you guys helped me extensively getting Debian to run on some of my SPARC systems. I really, really appreciate it.
01:09<mister>good morning)
01:10<adamy>How are you?
01:10<mister>and you?
01:10<mister>xeon-enouf, are you here?
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01:11<adamy>I'm good. Just trying to get sound working over here :)
01:12<adamy>had the water pump go in my car, an Ultra SCSI 320 drive and my refrigerator all break in the same day =P
01:12<mister>:) good luck. Unfortunately i cannot help you with it
01:12<mister>oh) bad day)
01:12<adamy>hahaha! Oh I'll figure it all out
01:13<ml|>adamy: /msg dpkg sound can help
01:13<adamy>lol. I might just do a whole desktop install, and be done with it
01:14<ml|>no need
01:15<adamy>alsa's installed but not working. I vaguely remmeber it working with OSS though.
01:15<adamy>Its nto a huge concern to me though. This machine is just my 'other' machine in the back room.
01:16<ml|>adamy: /msg dpkg
01:16<adamy>already done it. Its a Sun machine, so who knows. I just about pulled my hair out getting PCI domains working on my other one
01:17<ml|> /msg dpkg install alsa and the wiki above did not help?
01:18<adamy>Nah. Told me to install asla base and utils, and open the mixer. Its a no go.
01:20<adamy>I was coming in more to thank everyone for helping me with my pain in the *** problems with my 'real' computer
01:20<adamy>I basically had to use sid to get it to work, and people still gave me tons of help.
01:21<adamy>My final resolve was to compile a more recent Xorg and install it, and it worked like a charm. But I've never been in a *nix forum/chat where people were so helpful
01:21<adamy>Getting any kind of help on my Solaris machines is like pulling teeth. Made the linux jump really, really pleasurable for me.
01:21<sney>ml|: they're usually behind on kernel support for Sun hardware. When I was using a 9-year-old Ultra2 a while ago, they were just beginning to have DRI support for the framebuffer
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01:22<ml|>oh, ok just trying to help
01:22<adamy>sney:I'm using my Ultra 2 atm.
01:22<sney>ooh exciting
01:22<adamy>And I totally ended up getting my Sunblade working. THANK YOU
01:22<sney>hey no problem, I only wish i still had a sun machine myself
01:22<adamy>thing is, debian and xfce on this machine just kicks Soalris around
01:23<sney>what've you got in there, dual 250s or something?
01:23<adamy>dual 300s, and 1 gb ram
01:23<sney>not bad
01:23<sney>even if it is EDO
01:23<adamy>the other machine has dual 1.6s and 8GB ram
01:23<sney>those sun machines were never short on power, that's for sure.
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01:23<sney>SLOWARIS really had to earn that nickname
01:24<adamy>You know, the Ultra 2 is just rock solid. That's why I've held onto it. And with xfce, its still decent.
01:24<sney>if I still had a U2 I'd use it
01:24<adamy>Yeah, I know, right?
01:24<adamy>That's okay. You should see my mail servers.
01:24<sney>I love weird old stuff like that and they really are rock solid
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01:24<adamy>One is an X86 machine on Solaris, the other is a Sparcstation 5 with 256 megs of ram
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01:25<adamy>and a 110 mhz microsparc in it.
01:25<adamy>and it still runs. well. lol
01:25<sney>my ss20 had dual 50s
01:25<adamy>I really liked the SS20.
01:25<sney>has, I should say. it's still in storage back east somewhere
01:25<adamy>I actually have a spars SS5 I refuse to part with.
01:25<sney>also dual QFEs that I never quite found the purpose for, but it sure was neat looking having 9 ethernet ports in the back
01:26<adamy>I'm actually sad though. I lost a 146 GB USCSI320 drive yesterday!
01:26<sney>worn out? or something more catastrophic
01:26<adamy>Yeah. Just completely failed . Thank GOD it was RAID 1
01:27<sney>debian on sparc is probably still running a 32 bit kernel right
01:27<adamy>well, not quite raid 1. It was actually on my server, so it was zfs
01:27<adamy>I'm not sure. lol. I haven't looked
01:27<sney>uname -a should give a hint
01:27<adamy>Actually, 32 bit userland
01:27<adamy>64 bit kernel
01:27<sney>oh? good job debian
01:28<adamy>and a 32 bit userland is actually fine.
01:28<sney>last time I was using it was etch, and it was 32 bit kernel no matter what machine you had
01:28<sney>oh yeah, 64 kernel/32 user is the ideal setup for ultrasparc
01:28<sney>those 64 bit userland binaries are just so huge and fat
01:28<adamy>oh, rediculous.
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01:29<adamy>I'm probably going ot leave my server on Solaris, but the desktop machines are staying debian.
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01:30<adamy>I'm actually a little sad that my next machine isn't going to be a Sun.
01:31<adamy>but having decent hardware support will probably make me a lot happier
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01:31<sney>yeah, having everything work out of the box is pretty cool too
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01:32<adamy>Things break rarely, but when they do my bank account sure feels it.
01:32<adamy>like this SCSI drive. lol
01:32<ajay>hi to all, i have lenny installed,as how to know that which driver is used by graphics card from xorg.conf in lenny?
01:33<adamy>It should be a subsection called 'driver', no?
01:33<sney>in the "Device" section
01:33<ajay>adamy, as etch it is not mentioned in xorg.conf of lenny what driver and its resolution..
01:34<sney>usually about halfway down xorg.conf
01:34<adamy>then I have no idea.
01:34<sney>lenny by default has no xorg.conf, but you can generate one from xorg's autodetected settings by running X -configure
01:35<adamy>sney: xog doesn't support PCI domains unless you have the most current version. That was my whole problem.
01:35<sney>yeah, but pci domains shouldn't be a problem outside of sparcland
01:35<adamy>that's why sid worked, and why (eventually) a self compile worked with lenny.
01:35<ajay>adamy, sney
01:35<sney>X -configure works on (most) x86 systems
01:36<adamy>Just in case someone else asks, compile the new xorg, and off you gol
01:37<sney>ajay: run X -configure please
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01:37<ajay>sney,Fatal server error:
01:37<ajay>Server is already active for display 0
01:37<ajay> If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
01:37<ajay> and start again.
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01:37<adamy>sney: I hadn't used linux is almost 6 or 7 years. I installed debian on my laptop probably a year ago, and I couldn't believe how far it'd come!
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01:38<sney>ajay: heh, without X running, I should have mentioned
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01:39<adamy>its actually kind of fun. My computer "guru" friends (read windows "gurus" come over, and can't even figure out how to shut my computers down.
01:39<adamy>Its kinda pathetic.
01:40<adamy>I had someone tell me the other day that Windows 7 should be on the same level as unix and unix like Oss.
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01:42<adamy>I laughed pretty hard.
01:42<sney>let's all aspire to 1970s levels of technology
01:43<ajay>sney, yes i got new xorg.conf in which driver is mentioned but not resolution
01:43<adamy>there's a line called "modes"
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01:43<adamy>list the resolution in a subsection of display called "modes" i think.
01:43<sney>yeah, under display
01:43<adamy>When you add it, you should change res. Or have the option to.
01:43<sney>set the default colour depth with DefaultDepth and then under that depth section do Modes "1280x1024" or whatever it is you want
01:44<ml|>ajay: you need to add that randr can help to get the info for your monitor or if you them use those
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01:45<adamy>so my kitten's a geek. He loves my Solaris reference manual. He sleeps on it. Now he's asleep on my computer. When I play NBA jam (the standup machine), he sits there and watches. He sleeps on the joystick of the machine every night.
01:45<adamy>stupid geek cat. \
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01:48<ottoshmidt>my network works fine (as you can see) but gnome panel applet shows cross in red with tooltip "No Network Connection", Debian testing
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01:48<ottoshmidt>why would that be?
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01:49<sney>hmm, don't know, I use wicd
01:50<sney>but probably some miscommunication between the gnome network-manager applet and the actual real situation
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01:53<adamy>otto:I had that issue
01:53<adamy>I uninstalled the gnome-network-manager
01:53<adamy>and right clicked on the bar, and added a network applet, and it worked fine.
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01:54<adamy>Both of my machines had that problem, and that was the fix for both.
01:54<ml|>most people here don't use nm for that reason
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01:57<adamy>try that though. It worked twice for me, on teo different machines.
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02:00<adamy>The actual network manager didn't work, but the gnome panel applet sure did.
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02:02<adamy>Is there a good xdmcp client that's open source?
02:02<adamy>I've been using Solaris' xdmcp until recently.
02:03<jm_>any DM will work
02:04<adamy>gdm or something? awesome.
02:04<jm_>then there's X -query etc.
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02:04<adamy>Oh yeah! Awesome. Thanks!
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02:05<ottoshmidt>adamy, thank
02:05<adamy>otto:Did that work?
02:05<ottoshmidt>trying now
02:05<adamy>let me know.
02:06<ottoshmidt>adamy, but there is no gnome-network-manager in packages (synapyic)
02:06<ottoshmidt>there is gnome-netstatus-applet
02:06<adamy>use that.,
02:06<ottoshmidt>and also gnome-nettool
02:06<adamy>That should work.
02:07<adamy>try both? One should work.
02:07<adamy>I have no idea then. I do know that if you right click on the gnome bar and add a net applet there, it should work
02:09<ottoshmidt>I added Network Monitor applet and it's making send/receive constantly, and it's flashing all the time
02:09<adamy>strange. Well, its better than a red X?
02:10<ottoshmidt>don't think so, I'd better remove both but can't the red X one :(
02:10<adamy>remove both of the gnome net applets you found
02:10<adamy>one is bound to be it. The other is probably the one that's constantly flashing
02:11<ottoshmidt>adamy, one that flashes is easy to remove as any other applet but the other one doens't have Remove when right-click
02:11<adamy>y9ou'll need to uninstall the package
02:11<adamy>I'll brb though.
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02:20<ajay>ml|, but like previous debian release why this info regarding driver,resolution is not available any specific reason..
02:21<ajay>how lenny booting time decides what resolution has to be used as it is not mentioned in xorg.conf
02:21<jm_>ajay: because it is no longer needed, it's detected at runtime
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02:21<ayarter>otto:I forget the package name. Uninstall it, and the red x goes away
02:22<ajay>jm_:thanks but how it is deciding which driver and resolution is good for particular display
02:22<jm_>ajay: driver is easy - based on hardware detected, resolution is easy too - it asks the monitor and picks the best mode
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02:23<ajay>jm_ is there any script which does this while booting?
02:23<ml|>sometimes it does not work tho
02:23<jm_>ajay: X server does this, it's not a script
02:24<ml|>then you need to do it manually
02:24<jm_>but if you're curious - get-edid will ask the monitor about its capabilietes - get-edid | parse-edid, there are other tools too (hwinfo I think)
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02:26<ajay>jm_ ml| ..the prevous xorg.conf was easy to edit than present lenny xorg.conf ..i feels
02:26<jm_>ajay: you can still put the same things into the file and it will work as you want
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02:30<ml|>jm_: get-edid is different that using xrandr
02:30<hypyrbole>Hi all. Can someone with an external 250GB USB hard drive let me know what the maximum usable capacity is? NTFS or vfat formatted. Thanks.
02:31<jm_>ml|: absolutely
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02:32<ottoshmidt>network-manager package (which in turn removed gnome) helped
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02:33<jm_>gnome is just a meta-package
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02:34<ottoshmidt>jm_, now i know :D
02:34<ottoshmidt>gnome-desktop-environment is important, right?>
02:35<jm_>for some, yes :)
02:35<ml|>jm_: one uses X, the other uses the monitor somehow to get the settings
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02:36<ottoshmidt>btw why just not to fix network-manager package?
02:36<ottoshmidt>has this bug already been reported?
02:37<ml|>check bts
02:38<ottoshmidt>ml|, bts?
02:38<ml|>dpkg: bts
02:38<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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02:38<ayarter>otto:Did it do it though?
02:39<ottoshmidt>removing NM?
02:39<ayarter>awesome. Its a shame the net applet didn't work for you like it worked for me.
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02:40<jm_>ml|: yes, but X gets the info in the same way
02:41<ml|>so xrandr and read-edid tools do the samething just differently?
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02:42<jm_>nah, xrandr is there to manager RandR extension, it supports other stuff liek rotation and so on
02:42<jm_>but X gets the info about supported modes in the sam way - using DDC
02:43<jm_>stupid typing
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02:43<ml|>i see so either would work just fine, just that xrandr does more things
02:46<jm_>yes, if you mean to list things - otherwise if you're in X just use xrandr, and if you're just curious about what monitor can do then read-edid package can help, handy if no X is available
02:47<ml|>jm_: thank you for the explanation
02:47<jm_>ml|: no worries
02:47<ajay>are there real time patches for debian in debian repository
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02:57<ottoshmidt>has anyone installed Canon MF 4010 printer driver on amd64?
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03:25<nemesis1911>ok I have a .sh file i'm in it dir.. in terminal how do I make it install again..
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03:25<nemesis1911>my computer just crashed
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03:38<ayarter> what's going on?
03:39<ayarter>nemesis:Are you trying to run a shell script?
03:39<ayarter>kenyon:Same here. Just debating if I should wash the dishes tonight or tom
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03:44<Bunnyh>Is it possible to use non-default logfile names with rsyslog as easily as it was possible with syslogd + klogd? Formerly there was a cron.daily script which used syslog-listfiles, while now rsyslogd just uses a logrotate script with manually entered filenames
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03:46<Bunnyh>If I want to rotate the non-default logfiles handled by rsyslogd, I'll have to edit that logrotate script manually, and it will cause extra work during upgrades
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03:47<jm_>you can add your own config files to /etc/logrotate.d
03:48<Bunnyh>I don't know what happens when there are double definitions for a file in logrotate
03:48<Bunnyh>But that's sure worth looking into
03:49<jm_>I don't see your point - you said you want to use non-default file name - where will the other definition come form then?
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03:51<jm_>before rsyslog scripts were rotate by cron.daily using syslog-listfiles and by logrotate cron job
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03:56<Bunnyh>The point is that I now have to specify my non-default logging scheme in two places. At least I might get rid of the problems during upgrades by using a custom file in logrotate.d
03:57<Bunnyh>Thanks for that suggestion, I'll try it now
04:02<jm_>yes, or write a script that does a similar job as syslogd-listfiles
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04:10<jm_>mens I'd have to mess with more config files on upgrades too
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05:24<jmut>hi folks. how can I check where certain package is at. I am interested when php 5.2 is changed with 5.3 ?
05:24<jm_>!versions php5
05:24<jm_>judd versions php5
05:24<judd>jm_: php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch15 sid: 5.2.6-5 lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 sid: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3 sid: 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2.2 squeeze: 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2.2 experimental: 5.3.0-3
05:25<themill>jmut: is probably part of what you're looking for too
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05:27<jmut>jm_: themill thanks
05:27<jm_>jmut: rmadison command will also show it
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05:28<jmut>I am a bit new to this in general how much time it takes. 2-3 months ..more or less? I donno if just dependend on debian or other stuff as well
05:30<jm_>takes for?
05:31<themill>jmut: php releases tend to take a while before they are actually usable. php developers tend to release things that they call 5.3.0 but you probably wouldn't want to use them until they have matured a little. That it's already in experimental probably means that it will hit unstable some time soon unless there are problems with it.
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05:31<themill>jmut: but remember that php 5.3.0 will *never* be in lenny. That's not how debian works. /msg dpkg stable
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05:32<themill>jmut: See also this thread
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05:41<jmut>themill: thanks
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05:55<qwe>Squelos, hi
05:55<Squelos>im having trouble with my kernel. i upgraded to squeeze, and i still have my kernel
05:56<Squelos>and i cant find the linux headers for this kernel ... i was told that this kernel isnt supported with squeeze.
05:56<jm_>judd kernels
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05:56<judd>jm_: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
05:57<jm_>the headers can probably be found on the snapshot.d.n page
05:57<Squelos>but is it good to just install the headers of an old kernel ?
05:57<jm_>well if you don't want to install a new one ...
05:58<Squelos>because i heard the fglrx drivers arent supported with the 2.6.30 kernel :/
05:58<jm_>yeah probably best to check if there's a patch
06:00<Squelos>what are the risks of staying with an old kernel ?
06:02<valdyn>Squelos: that kernel is supported via lenny, the risk is that squeeze could get packages that need a newer kernel at some point
06:02<valdyn>Squelos: that doesnt seem very likely though
06:02<qwe>Squelos, less device support than new kernel
06:03<qwe>valdyn, jm_ trunk is using kernel 2.6.31 but still d-i uses 2.6.30?
06:04<themill>Squelos: the bigger problem here is that "" isn't a debian kernel to begin with, hence the debian kernel headers aren't appropriate anyway
06:04<jm_>qwe: d-i doesn't automtically swithc to a new kernel AFAIK
06:05<themill>qwe: it's quite a lot of work to switch the kernel in the installer and in any case, 2.6.31 isn't in debian at all yet, let alone the installer
06:05<Squelos>themill, how could i of installed a non debian kernel O.O
06:05<themill>Squelos: what's the exact output of "uname -r"
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06:05<Squelos>is it hard upgrading to 2.6.30-6 ?
06:06<Squelos>2.6.26-2 amd64
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06:06<qwe>jm_ themill but there is no info in wiki regarding all procedure to comile d-i for kernel which is not avaialable in debian repositry?
06:06<themill>Squelos: right... so that is a debian kernel but it's not that you said earlier. The . and - have quite different meanings here and the distinction is important.
06:07<jm_>qwe: there is an entry how to use a custom kernel
06:07<Squelos>oh sorry
06:07<qwe>is there any guideline all procedure for compiling d-i for higher version kernel?
06:07<themill>qwe: /msg dpkg kmuto
06:08<Squelos>in any case, i need to upgrade my kernel is that it ?
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06:13<nassrat_>Is the squeeze netinstall still broken? is it only the 64bit netinstall thats broken, or also the 32bit? (asking about breakage when connecting to the internet) I have tried the 64bit yesterday with VirtualBox and it was broken?
06:15<ml|>Squelos: if want to try a newer kernel and headers ... aptitude install linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64 linux-headers-2.6.30-1-amd64 you will still have your old kernel if you have some issue with the new kernel
06:17<ml|>nassrat_: why not use the lenny installer then move to testing
06:17<nassrat_>after the full install you mean
06:18<nassrat_>ml|: or do you mean before it downloads packages?
06:18<ml|>yes /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
06:19<ml|>no after a fresh install of lenny
06:19<FilipeMaia>Any idea where the opengl man pages are?
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06:19<nassrat_>ml|: yeah i did that, but I really like the squeeze installer, the lenny installer as far as i remember did not let me choose my prefered desktop
06:21<ml|>ok, but can also do that after a fresh install, just do a base/minimal install then install whatever else you need after moving to testing
06:21<nassrat_>cool, thx though.
06:21<nassrat_>ml|: do you have something i can tell dpkg to tell me how to remove completely a desktop envirn and install another one
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06:22<ml|>remember those are called testing iso's for a reason
06:22<nassrat_>sure :)
06:22<themill>nassrat_: e.g. /msg dpkg remove gnome ; /msg dpkg install kde, perhaps?
06:22<lethias>Is my system sluggish due to hardware or is it due to my kernel, I'm running an AMD64 3200+ 2.2ghz; 1gb ram, and Radeon 9550.
06:22<nassrat_>themill: nice
06:23<lethias>and lenny with kernel 2.6.26
06:23<ml|>should not be sluggish at all with specs
06:24<nassrat_>themill, ml|: what is d-i (as in d-i's prompt)
06:24<themill>nassrat_: the installer
06:24<ml|>debian installer
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06:25<lethias>cool beans, i was gonna upgrade the kernel if that was what was causing it.
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06:26<ml|>lethias: has always seemed sluggish to you?
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06:27<themill>lethias: watch fewer pr0n videos at a time and it will be less sluggish
06:27<debfan>when i try to make dpkg it gives my the following error :"make[2]: *** No rule to make target `archtable', needed by `archtable.h'. Stop."
06:28<lethias>ml|: not really, not till i did a clean install of lenny on it again.
06:28<nassrat_>wow, making dpkg. I fear to ask why? (and then there is gentoo)
06:29<ml|>so after a clean install it's sluggish, does not make sense
06:29<lethias>i know
06:29<themill>debfan: #debian wasn't the place for your questions 12 hours ago and it's not the place for them now.
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06:29<ml|>maybe a harware issue?
06:29<ml|>debfan: nice try
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06:30<debfan>the issue is with the source code not with the sistem
06:30<nassrat_>ml|, themill: if its brief, why isnt here the place to ask about dpkg
06:30<ml|>nassrat_: he is not using debian
06:31<themill>nassrat_: #debian is for questions from debian users. dpkg compiles quite fine on debian so it's not really a debian question, is it?
06:31<nassrat_>wait but is he using something debian based
06:32<ml|>possibly /msg dpkg based on debian
06:32<themill>nassrat_: he's not and even if he were, that's not a problem for #debian
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06:32<debfan>so where i should ask for help
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06:33<themill>debfan: ask your distro's help channel or try #linux.
06:34<lethias>ml| I am planning on upgrading the graphics soon. I just found out that wow doesn't work so good with this older card lol
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06:35<lethias>ml| not to mention i think I might be a little spoiled from running on dual core system
06:36<ml|>lethias: what i asked before is that you might some hardware issue now that you didn't before, since you say after a fresh install lenny seems sluggish
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06:37<lethias>ml| I'll check the internals and see if anything might have come loose or something. Might just need to reseat the ram again.
06:37<nassrat_>ok i got something contraversial, why is {/usr,}/sbin not in the default user path
06:37<ml|>lethias: well that could be it if you are used to a faster system, but debian runs fine on my old pIII laptop and also depends on what de/apps you use
06:38<mjt>nassrat_: these dirs are for system maintenance, i.e, for root only
06:38<nassrat_>even ifconfig
06:38<themill>nassrat_: non-privileged users (usually) have no need for any tools in those directories
06:38<mjt>nassrat_: yes even ifconfig
06:39<mjt>btw, there's also ip command that's in /bin
06:39<ml|>lethias: good luck
06:39<lethias>thanks for the help
06:39<lethias>much appreciated
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06:40<ml|>lethias: did you install lenny recently?
06:40<lethias>yea just bout a day and half ago.
06:41<ml|>could also be something you did between that time
06:42<Squelos>ml| and if i want to replace my old kernel ?
06:42<lethias>ml| I also installed ati's official driver too, dunno if that was a good thing either.
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06:43<ml|>lethias: backing up your data and doing another fresh install should remove all doubt after you get that videocard or whenever
06:43<lethias>ml| : yea that was my thinking as well.
06:44<ml|>Squelos: aptitude remove or purge but it's a good idea to keep two kernels installed imho
06:44<Squelos>oh ok
06:44<Squelos>and, will i have to add something into grub ?
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06:44<ml|>nope aptitude will do that for you
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06:46<Squelos>great !
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06:47<ml|>just select the new kernel at boot time, the new kernel should be listed on top
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06:54<Squelos>ok :)
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06:56<nassrat_>ml|, themill: my issue with the sbin stuff is I use sudo.
06:56<Squelos>what would i do without you ? :D
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07:02<nassrat_>ok real question, why does aptitude want to remove gnome and xserver-xorg-video-all nd install some xorg drivers when i hit update all
07:02<nassrat_>should i not do that with testing (update all)
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07:04<ottoshmidt>I can't find 'glib' package in synaptic is it included in debian packages at all?
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07:05<jm_>ottoshmidt: shitloads of tools need it, so yes
07:05<ottoshmidt>jm_, what's that called instead
07:05<nassrat_>dont those tools include the kernel
07:05<jm_>ottoshmidt: libglib*
07:05<ml|>nassrat_: if sudo is setup correctly should be able to run /sbin stuff
07:06<nassrat_>ml|: oh maybe i didnt try, i added sbin to my bashrc ayways
07:06<nassrat_>i like ifconfig
07:06<qwe>jm_ is it good to use sid d-i ?
07:06<qwe>because it has newer kernel support
07:07<ml|>yeah will work also, but sudo shouls work just fine
07:07<jm_>qwe: I have no idea, I very rarely use d-i
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07:10<ml|>nassrat_: aptitude safe-upgrade or full-upgrade should be just fine add '-s' to simulate to be on the safe side if you want man aptitude, no idea why aptitude would want to that tho maybe pastebin the ouput and someone here might be able to help
07:11<jm_>nassrat_: aptityde why/why-not might also tell something
07:11<nassrat_>also i just added contrib and non-free, it only did that after i updated my sources list
07:13<nassrat_>actually running safe-upgrade -s has very reasonable results (a shitload of updates though), i had the issue when i went into aptitude and hit U
07:13<nassrat_>thanks for the tip
07:14<ml|>oh, never used ncurses to update, i prefer the output from the term
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07:15<nassrat_>ok another question
07:15<ml|>for updating, ncurses i use alot for eveything else most of the time
07:15<nassrat_>i installed package command-not-found, and it doesnt seem to be working, google is not helping
07:16<ml|>try opening a new term/tab
07:16<nassrat_>i did
07:16<nassrat_>do i have to enable it somehow
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07:17<ml|>well, if only root can run it you won't be able too
07:17<nassrat_>why would only root run it?
07:17<ml|>depends on the app
07:17<kaiser>squeeze ya, my compiz dont run with the new kernel in squeeze, just I get an ati 200
07:18<qwe>hi all i am getting error as Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/
07:18<nassrat_>ml|: evenif i have sbin in my path. also the app is rsync
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07:18<ml|>rsync you should be able to run just fine
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07:19<nassrat_>i mean its not installed
07:19<nassrat_>i want the command-not-found package to tell me how to install it
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07:20<nassrat_>ok it seems i need to source /etc/bash_command_not_found
07:20<ml|>oh, sorry i missed understood
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07:21<nassrat_>hey wait but its at the botton of my /etc/bash.bashrc
07:22<dpkg>~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. ask me about <bash eternal history>.
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07:23<nassrat_>jm_: so what /etc/bash.bashrc isnt that the sytem wide bashrc?
07:23<nassrat_>or is that the template that new ones get created from
07:23<jm_>nassrat_: read what it says about interactive and login shells
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07:24<nassrat_>jm_: i agree, i just dont get what /etc/bash.bashrc is
07:25<jm_>nassrat_: the same as .bashrc - man bash explains it
07:27<nassrat_>ok /etc/bash.bashrc is the system wide one. hmm this is a wierd one. Soeven if i source the file myself, the command not found handle is nto registered. however if i source only the handle by itself it works.
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07:28<nassrat_>ok im sorry, i think i found a bug in testing /etc/bash.bashrc
07:29<nassrat_>or the command-not-found package
07:29<nassrat_>ill use a pastie to explain
07:30<xeon-enouf>want to know what's weird here? if i put export PATH="$PATH:/sbin:/whatever" in my ~/.bashrc and i create an alias, then 'source .bashrc' i end up with $PATH being 5000 miles long thereafter :-P
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07:31<nassrat_>xeon-enouf: i think you have a recursive source
07:31<xeon-enouf>should i be using a brace expanded version there?
07:32<xeon-enouf>like PATH="${PATH:+$PATH:} or something?
07:32<jm_>brace expanded?
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07:39<xeon-enouf>jm_: that example is from /etc/init.d/ssh export PATH="${PATH:+$PATH:}/usr/sbin:/sbin"
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07:40<jm_>xeon-enouf: I don't see much point in that line
07:40<jm_>probably the only reason is to not start with :
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07:45<jm_>xeon-enouf: I don't think that is the problem, it must be something being called recursively like nassrat_ suggested
07:45<nassrat_>xeon-enouf: i have PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin and it works fine
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07:48<drazel>il y a quelqu'un?
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07:48<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
07:48<drazel>je viens ici pour la premiere fois
07:48<nassrat_>ok so i explained the command-not-found packaging bug
07:48<nassrat_>atleast i think its the command-not-found package at fault
07:49<nassrat_>can anyone confirm this is a bug
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07:56<nassrat_>i think thats the wrong place to file that bug
07:56<nassrat_>but its good you caught me
07:56<nassrat_>i was writing up an email, since i didnt find it in the commadn-not-found package
07:56<jm_>how exactly is it wrong?
07:57<xeon-enouf>jm_: i'm just trying to keep this from happening; $ echo $PATH /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin <--fine .. but once i ". ~/.bashrc" i end up with;
07:57<xeon-enouf>5000 miles :-p
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07:58<valdyn>jm_: its /usr/share/ where bash.bashrc has /usr/lib and its /usr/share/command-not-found/command-not-found where bash.bashrc has /usr/lib/command-not-found as a program call
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07:58<jm_>valdyn: yes, but that bug explains how it should be used
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07:59<jm_>valdyn: I think he meant the bug should be filled against command-not-found package, but that's not correct
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07:59<xeon-enouf>in my .bashrc, the entry is; export PATH="$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin" nevermind about whether the various /sbin/ should be used or not, what i'm i doing wrong?
07:59<jm_>xeon-enouf: it ends up that long after you source it only once?
07:59<xeon-enouf>jm_: yes
08:00<nassrat_>jm_: i mean putting an executable under /usr/share and not in a bin dir to me is not right
08:00<xeon-enouf>jm_: it's like it doesn't realize that /sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin was already appended upon login
08:01<valdyn>nassrat_: there is alot of executables not in bin dirs, thats SOP
08:01<nassrat_>so i hink its a packaging bug against command-not-found
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08:01<jm_>nassrat_: naah, it's not the only one outside of bin
08:01<nassrat_>valdyn: whats SOP
08:01<xeon-enouf>(asthat's what then gets appended eaxch time i ". ~/.bashrc")
08:01<dpkg>i guess sop is Standard Operating Procedure
08:01<jm_>xeon-enouf: let me try this with bash
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08:02<xeon-enouf>jm_: no prob - take your time - i'm doing 5 things at once too ;-)
08:02<nassrat_>its Standard Operating Procedure to not put exec in bin
08:03<xeon-enouf>nassrat_: interesting .. ahh jm_ - i think i found the issue!, i should not be using "export PATH=$PATH..." ; just "PATH=$PATH...."
08:04<jm_>xeon-enouf: I can't reproduce it, either with export or without it - it only adds the three sbin dirs you listed
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08:05<xeon-enouf>jm_: it doesn't append them? ouch - this is sid, with; GNU bash, version 3.2.48(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu)
08:05<nassrat_>xeon-enouf: export is fine
08:05<jm_>xeon-enouf: it does, but initially there are 3, then I source it and there are 6 and so on
08:05<jm_>xeon-enouf: ahh I tried it in lenny ;)
08:05<xeon-enouf>nassrat_: hrm .. dang
08:06<xeon-enouf>jm_: wait .. nassrat_ do i need this though? 2 lines; "PATH=$PATH...."\n export $PATH ?
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08:07<nassrat_>xeon-enouf: if you want
08:07<nassrat_>i have one command
08:07<nassrat_>i think two lines is the standard, from what i see online
08:07<xeon-enouf>jm_: it's been like this for a long while now for me, so i'm sure it also occured on somewhat earlier versions too - not sure if the Lenny version though
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08:08<nassrat_>xeon-enouf: can you run the following command. grep .bashrc ~/*
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08:09<jm_>xeon-enouf: did you check bts? but there are a lot of bugs for bash, so it will not be trivial to find it
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08:14<xeon-enouf>nassrat_: nothing but one line returns from a unrelated text file i have (just a a scratchpad of info)
08:14<xeon-enouf>jm_: i see - thanks - i just wanted to see what others thought - maybe i'll try #bash as well (eventually)
08:14<themill>xeon-enouf: you're sourcing the .bashrc twice aren't you? Once on login and once when you manually source it
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08:15<nassrat_>themill: but hes getting one million copies not just two
08:15<xeon-enouf>themill: not that i'm aware .. unless .. but still
08:15<themill>nassrat_: I only see two copies in what he's pasted
08:15<nassrat_>xeon-enouf: have you by any change edited /etc/bash.bashrc
08:15<xeon-enouf>themill: each time i source it, it grows by the amount of "/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin"
08:15<themill>xeon-enouf: of course
08:15<xeon-enouf>nassrat_: no
08:15<jm_>xeon-enouf: that is normal ;)
08:15<nassrat_>themill: he said 500 miles in one of the pastes
08:16<xeon-enouf>watch ..
08:16<themill>nassrat_: you need to improve your enouf->english filter.
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08:16<jm_>I understood it adds like several hundred of those entries ...
08:16<nassrat_>me too
08:17<nassrat_>rofl actually
08:17<xeon-enouf>sourcing twice in a row prduces;
08:17<nassrat_>wow, that was a waste of time back to work
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08:17<nassrat_>xeon-enouf: you can put somethign to the effect
08:17<themill>xeon-enouf: of course. That's exactly what your command is requesting the PATH should be like. It's also not an issue so don't waste time trying to fix it
08:18<nassrat_>if [ echo $PATH | grep -v sbin ]; then export PATH=...; fi
08:18<themill>at least use [[ so you can not have the grep in there
08:18<xeon-enouf>themill: how might i _correctly_ append '/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin' to the standard $PATH that debian gives users?
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08:19<themill>xeon-enouf: the way you are doing it. .bashrc isn't intended to be sourced more than once
08:19<nassrat_>xeon-enouf: what you have initially is correct
08:19<xeon-enouf>themill: so i can then source it 1000 times and not have it appended so many times
08:19<jm_>xeon-enouf: you can use % expansion to protect against this
08:19<nassrat_>jm_: can you elaborate more
08:19<xeon-enouf>parameter expansion, not braces?
08:20<xeon-enouf>PATH%%.* or so?
08:20<jm_>xeon-enouf: something like this AFAIK: PATH=${PATH%/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin}:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin
08:20<nassrat_>wait new syntax alert
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08:20<nassrat_>jm_: would that remove them first ?
08:20<nassrat_>any docs about this % sign
08:20<jm_>nassrat_: yes, I think it would - but it's long since I used this
08:21<xeon-enouf>i need to go over that too
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08:21<nassrat_>oh thas cool
08:22<xeon-enouf>${NAME%%.*} polish <--but with PATH was my example above (but i left off the {}s )
08:22<nassrat_>rather hackish in this scenario (same as my if statement nonetheless) but quite usefull in other scenarios
08:22<themill>xeon-enouf: how often do you source .bashrc manually anyway?
08:23<nassrat_>yeah why are you doing that?
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08:23<xeon-enouf>so, i guess in .bashrc, i should have export PATH="${PATH%%.*}:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin"
08:23<xeon-enouf>the quotes are needed there too i think then
08:23<nassrat_>im not sure about ^^
08:23<xeon-enouf>themill: everytime i add an alias
08:23<jm_>I think that might delete it entirely, better experiment in shell directly first
08:24<themill>xeon-enouf: and how often do you do that? I seriously just wouldn't bother with any of this. Having a longer PATH doesn't hurt
08:24<nassrat_>xeon-enouf: so you source it a few times ocassionally, why is that an issue
08:24<xeon-enouf>themill: since i have many shells open, and it's easier to just add the alias to .bashrc then source each one
08:24<nassrat_>but again how often?
08:24<xeon-enouf>jm_: heh - hence 'many shells open' :-P
08:25<xeon-enouf>nassrat_: if uptime of months, think about it ;-)
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08:25<nassrat_>oh you have terminals logged in for months
08:25*themill hands xeon-enouf another kernel vulnerability
08:25<xeon-enouf>anyways, thanks all for the help, pointers, interest, info
08:25<xeon-enouf>ruh roh
08:26*xeon-enouf looks around
08:26<nassrat_>xeon-enouf: PS. i think you should kill your terminals every so often
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08:26<nassrat_>IMHO: its more secure and healthy
08:27<xeon-enouf>nassrat_: i think you should go to #bash and see greycat O_o
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08:27<tuxcrafter>^ that one is just harse :D
08:27<nassrat_>why, i dont get it
08:28<tuxcrafter>you dont know greycat :D
08:28<nassrat_>im guessing its someone with many terminals open
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08:28<nassrat_>probably some of them running as root
08:28<nassrat_>scary imho
08:30<nassrat_>PS. im not saying i dont leave terminals open, but i do undrestand that there are issues. I definitely dont leave them open and keep sourcing my bashrc
08:30<xeon-enouf>nassrat_: i know he has /sbin in user's PATH, and sees nothing wrong with it - but leaving non-root shells open for months/years shouldn't be an issue (barring any vulnerabilities required either shell restart, or reboot for kernel)
08:30<kaiser>any from suoth america >I am bad in english
08:30<kaiser>alguien habla español?
08:30<tuxcrafter>does somebody know how to debug mtu network issues, i got a pppoe connection here and it giving me the scarries
08:30<tuxcrafter> 9 504 TCPMSS tcp -- any ppp0 anywhere anywhere tcp flags:SYN,RST/SYN tcpmss match 1400:1536 TCPMSS clamp to PMTU
08:30<kaiser>I have a problen with squeeze
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08:30<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:30<tuxcrafter>i got that line but some sides just dot work
08:31<Peter>hi everybody
08:31<xeon-enouf>themill: ever fix your fsck? (BTW - guess what - i need to go very soon!.. again!) but explain if you can
08:31<tuxcrafter>and i got icmp fragmentation-needed allowd for in and out going trafic
08:31<kaiser>debian .es or esdebian is short
08:31<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: nope i did not fix my fsck yet
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08:31<Peter>can anybody hear me?
08:31<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: does /var/log/boot have anything?
08:32<xeon-enouf>Peter: see #test
08:32<kaiser>i finded squeeze gets lots of bugs
08:32<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: nope nothing in /var/log/boot but i think the fsck command does not excist
08:32<kaiser>my shared bluetooth dont works
08:32<tuxcrafter>only fsck.fs... commands
08:32<kaiser>my compiz with ati 200 dont works
08:33<kaiser>y suma y sigue....
08:33<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: why can't you lok for it? *properly*
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08:33<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: and why wuold it NOT exist if you have e2fsprogs installed?
08:33<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: you have no /sbin then
08:33<Peter>who can speak Chinese
08:33<xeon-enouf>Peter: chinese people
08:34<kaiser>latinian, peter, mater tua mala burra est
08:34<Peter>what do you mean?
08:35<kaiser>means, if ya like meat
08:35<kaiser>i prefer fish
08:35<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: atleast write down the _exact_ text of error ; and the line prior + line after .. then show us (or a a picture :-P)
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08:36<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: i dont think the 1.41.9-1 of e2fsprogs has a fsck command
08:36<tuxcrafter>he i saw somting
08:36<tuxcrafter>my fsck comes from util-linux package
08:36<tuxcrafter>lest see if that is installed
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08:37<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: ii e2fsprogs 1.41.3-1 ext2/ext3/ext4 file system utilities
08:37<xeon-enouf>what? where'd you get your version of ii e2fsprogs 1.41.3-1 ext2/ext3/ext4 file system utilities
08:38*xeon-enouf goes ..sorry
08:38<kaiser>xeon, before me for ati200 and compiz, did, any fglrx and, m-a a-i fglsx, and aticonfig --initial, now dont exists aticonfig -initial
08:38<kaiser>so I havent compiz
08:38<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: i think i fouund the issue aptitude install util-linux/unstable
08:39<tuxcrafter>my util-linux package and e2fsprogs where out of sync
08:41<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: yes i fixed the fsck issue
08:41<kaiser>i think better retorn to ubuntu, it is newest and buggest but works better than debian testing/unstable/buggest a lot
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08:46<torocatala>i install freeradius
08:46<torocatala>and chillispot
08:46<torocatala>when i connect to the AP i see the login web page, and I can login
08:46<torocatala>I can navigate
08:47<torocatala>no page load
08:47<torocatala>any idea?
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08:47<torocatala>maybe something i forget in iptables?
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08:51<kubu>Amarok 2.1 couldn't play even with phonon-backend-xine installed, any help plz.
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08:56<kubu>Amarok 2.1 couldn't play even with phonon-backend-xine installed, any help plz.
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09:36<adiwan>Hi... I need only a simple answer to this question: can I use the nvidia-driver from ubuntu, because the version 185 is broken in SID/experimental
09:36<adiwan>I'm installing a nvidia-ion system
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09:38<Torsten_W>adiwan, the version in sid works fine
09:38<Torsten_W>so what's the problem?
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09:38<adiwan>my aptitude tells me that something is unavailable
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09:39<Torsten_W>m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source && apt-get install nvidia-glx
09:39<Torsten_W>works like a charm
09:40<adiwan> in the repository nvidia-kernel is unavailable
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09:40<adiwan>it is a bit user unfriendly
09:40<Torsten_W>adiwan, m-a a-i builds the nvidia-kernel
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09:41<adiwan>I understand
09:41<Torsten_W>s/builds/builds & install
09:41<adiwan>it is my first nvidia-system I install debian on
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09:43<adiwan>meh... I cannot test it now - I'm downloading all the other stuff (about 1.5GiB)
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09:45<adiwan>but thanks for now - I have written this hint in my personal wiki, so I can't forget this :D
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10:18<helpme>is there a way to get someones adderss off of utube or stumble unpon to send them a message that they need help with linux in stead of going on utube and bad mouth the os ths person needs help
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10:21<adiwan>please say it again in proper english
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10:21<themill>And hopefully say it in a way that is even remotely related to debian.
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10:24<helpme>on stumble unpon some one is said that linux dose not work
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10:26<locklace>i'll alert the media
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10:53<adiwan>yeah... nvidia graphics are working :)
10:54<adiwan>someone has to rewrite the debian-wiki
10:54<adiwan>it is a bit confusing
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12:42<bighornram>Wonder if someone might have input to remedy this situation: A website I frequent upgraded recently and now a page I must use splits apart with some navigation across the top of the page but the content is off to the right side of the page (I can scroll over to it. They are blaming it on linux and iceweasel. This also happens in Epiphany.
12:43<dkr>perhaps make a greasemonkey plugin to tweak back whatever the html change that caused the issue was
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12:43<dkr>aside from the obvious solution of the website owners fixing their site, :)
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12:48<bighornram>dkr: though I'm not sure what they changed. I had the same thing happen to my forum when I updated (phpbb2 to 3 and the garage addin) the same thing happened and was remedied by flushing the cache on the forum software. I don't know what would have changed but possibly css or frames of some type?
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13:00<bighornram>possibly an <iframe> ? could this offset the frame to the side of a page?
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13:02<dkr>you could install the web developer add-on, it has some nifty features to visualize what parts of the page relate to what parts of the html
13:03<dkr>I've no idea off the top of my head what would cause content to shift like that, maybe just a missing <br> between elements, :)
13:05<bighornram>dkr: the page has a "vm" extension.
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13:30<ert34>I can't open my usb sitck... how do I format it?
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13:32<dr|z3d>ert34: gparted.
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13:32<ert34>ah, I try
13:33<ert34>I don't see my usb device in gparted
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13:37<ert34>I don't see my pen drive in the partition table at gparted
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13:40<ert34>this is an emergency, I need this pen drive usable for now...
13:40<ert34>when we need the thing, it fails
13:41<ert34>I am really disapointed
13:42<dr|z3d>You might be able to find a low level formatting tool.. can't tell you offhand what that might be, though.
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13:48<adama>how can I verify the integrity of a fresh-burned Lenny DVD1 without booting it?
13:49<matth>and first md5sum if that's provided on the website
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13:49<adama>the iso file MD5's correctly
13:50<adama>but the previous DVD burned from it did not pass the integrity check when booting
13:52<matth>any virtualizaion software with the physical dvd should be enough to be sure if there was a problem on the burning part.
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13:56<adama>ok, thanks matth
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14:02<sd_>Hello! Guys, I was already trying too google this my problem, by no luck yet. I'm using pptp-linux package for first time. Somebody gave the params to log into remote system: i.e. Ip_addr, User, Paswd . Which way need I use it to succeed creating the connection?
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14:05<v4hid>I'am V4HID
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14:05<v4hid>I'am new debian user
14:05<jimcooncat>I need a link to file permission help -- looking to have any new file in a directory to be owned by a particular user, not necessarily the user that made the file
14:05<sd_>I'm trying like: pptp IP_addr debug name blabla remotename User . It responds: /usr/sbin/pppd: The remote system (blablabla) is required to authenticate itself. /usr/sbin/pppd: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. HOW TO supply a passwd for pptp ?
14:07<v4hid>I want install libc-bin_2.9-26_i386.deb package
14:07<v4hid>but give error
14:07<v4hid>dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH.
14:07<dpkg>v4hid: wish i knew
14:07<v4hid>dpkg: 1 expected program(s) not found on PATH.
14:07<dpkg>v4hid: no idea
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14:07<v4hid>NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin.
14:07<dkr>jimcooncat: you can do something similar with the setgid bit on a dir to make files created in that dir be group-owned by the group of the dir
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14:08<jimcooncat>dkr that's exactly what I'd forgotten. thanks!
14:08<v4hid>dpkg:How can install this PATH?
14:08<dpkg>v4hid: I don't know, could you explain it?
14:09<v4hid>i want install pidgin 2.6.2
14:10<v4hid>dpkg: but it depens libc6 and this depens libc6-bin_2.9-26 package
14:10<dpkg>v4hid: no idea
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14:10<noflash>v4hid, you are talking to a bot
14:11<dkr>v4hid: you should use aptitude to install software so it can resolve package dependencies for you automatically
14:11<v4hid>noflash: No, Sorry for my english, I'm Iranian
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14:12<v4hid>dkr : ok , i test it in this time. thank you.
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14:12<dkr>v4hid: you might want to read
14:13<v4hid>dkr: thank you . it's nice :)
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14:14<jimcooncat>sd_: I don't know, but it looks like you might need to use the /etc/ppp/chap-secrets file to put your password in.
14:15<sd_>Jimcooncat: thanks, this is what I'm currently trying...
14:15<sd_>jimcooncat: thanks, this is what I'm currently trying...
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14:23<neo>somebody here
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14:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:40<Flakk>Hello people I need to send a FAX. this is a very ancient way of communication, but the people on the other end insist on it. I can mount again my dial-up modem, but this is hard and long. Is there any program which allows to send .ps-files via normal internet connection so that they arrive at the other end as if have been sent by the old fashioned FAX machine? - thanks for the help
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14:41<icebrain>program? no. There are some online services were you can send them an email and they'll fax it
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14:42<Flakk>yes I know about it. I was thinking about some sort of efax-gtk but working with any intenret connection
14:43<icebrain>how could it, the fax machine isn't connected to the internet...
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14:44<Flakk>that is true. but there is Internet phone services which allow to call ordinary phones which are in the same position as FAX machines
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14:46<icebrain>that would be more or less equivalent to email2fax.. A "fake" printing driver could be written to support direct sending to the email of the service, making it a integrated system. But I don't know if anyone has done it..
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14:48<dr|z3d>icebrain: I think it's been done a million times. There are online services that do pretty much what you describe.
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14:48<Flakk>sorry, what is email2fax please?
14:49<icebrain>Flakk: I was talking about the email to fax services... not a specific program/service
14:49<icebrain>dr|z3d: printing to email to fax? where?
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14:49<Flakk>) ok, because there is actually a program called email2fax ))
14:49<dr|z3d>icebrain: Just google. There's stuff out there.
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14:50<orjan>i'm having problem with amanda. All incremental backup takes all files, same as full. Gnutar used. What bits are used to get incremental backup, seems not to be ctime?
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14:58<Qantouri1c>Pitty the commercial stuff doesn't has a lot of .deb packages :/
14:58<Qantouri1c>And there is someone at work who prefers offline distros versus online ...
14:58<Qantouri1c>wtf ?
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15:16<donovanw>need help with icecast-server on debian
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15:17<dr|z3d>donovanw: More info needed... What's the issue?
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15:18<donovanw>got the server running but cannot get client to listen
15:18<dr|z3d>Opened ports on the firewall?
15:18<donovanw>ie get "cannot sync mp3 stream"
15:18<dr|z3d>Or portmapped the relevant range?
15:19<dr|z3d>Hmm.. cannot sync, eh? Tried another client?
15:19<donovanw>port forward 8000 on linksys
15:19<donovanw>that all ive done to the router
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15:20<donovanw>same msg
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15:22<donovanw>at the server console i can listen to stream via ices2
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15:22<donovanw>i can ping the ip on the www
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15:23<donovanw>but when the client tries to connect (just to listen) i get the cannot sync stream msg
15:23<dr|z3d>8000.. I vaguely recall 8001 being the port..
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15:24<donovanw>so change the port range to 8000-8001 ?
15:24<dr|z3d>Sure, try that.
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15:29<donovanw>still get error syncing to mpeg
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15:32<dr|z3d>donovanw: Hmm ok.. and keep chat in the channel, please.
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15:49<donovanw>any other ideas dr|z3d
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15:50<dr|z3d>Well, you could run wireshark on the server and see what's happening when you try to connect.
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15:51<donovanw>I think i actually get to the server because when i mess with the port settings the client cannot connect at all
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15:52<donovanw>but with the port setting at 8000 i get cannot sync
15:54<donovanw>never used wire shark before but will try now
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16:29<bja>ml|: hi
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16:53<mixter>hi! is there any update manager for debian to centralize management over several servers? aptitude update / upgrade is fine, but my fingers are bleeding from logging in and out of all servers. ;-) is there anything like wsus from the microsoft world?
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16:54<petemc>mixter: people seem to use puppet
16:55<mixter>petemc: ok! great i'll look into that then!
16:55<mixter>petemc: thanks!
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16:56<themill>mixter: cron-apt can also help with that sort of thing, particularly if you run a local mirror and feed it updates as once they are tested and you want to install them everywhere across the machines. /msg dpkg cron-apt
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16:57<mixter>themill: thanks! i'll check that too
16:57<KjetilK>I'd like to have a 2.6.31 kernel on my otherwise lenny box, and I am in no rush. I have compiled a few kernels in the past, so I'm just wondering if 2.6.31 is being worked on so that I can just sit around and wait for a backport, or if I would be better off just building it myself right now?
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17:02<ml|>judd kernel
17:02<judd>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
17:06<themill>(that version for "trunk" was the last one before the build-server went down. nfc what they're actually up to)
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17:37<boarderpatrol>anyone know how to change the settings on the touch pad in moon OS?
17:37<cumi> /server
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17:38<dpkg>moonOS is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>, featuring <LXDE> and <enlightenment>. Not supported in #debian. #moonos on See also <based on Debian>.
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17:44<dr|z3d>!ops idiot hour is upon us.
17:44<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dr|z3d complains about: idiot hour is upon us.
17:45<LoRez>YOURMOTHERISAWHORE: really? that the best you can do?
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17:48<streuner_>there is not much fun in some life of a troll :-)
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17:50<kamiram>where is chanel for handmade ?
17:50-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*nameless-@*] by Ganneff
17:50<kamiram>like arch or gentoo
17:50<dkr>kamiram: try freenode
17:51<streuner_>!gentoosmite kamiram
17:51*dpkg spends 6 weeks recompiling kamiram, and when it's all done, kamiram runs no faster than previously
17:52<streuner_>there is no need to compile stuff and think other people cant do it better who spent years on a package...
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17:53<mjt>in fact there is.
17:53<mjt>but not the gentoo reasons mostly :)
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17:55<mjt>like, i recompile certain packages to avoid certain dependencies -- sorta like "use" flags in gentoo -- because in debian packages are compiled with all options enabled, which sometimes pulls too much
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17:56<dondelelcaro>mjt: in the few cases where it actually matters much, we do provide separate packages with different options
17:56<dondelelcaro>but you'll find that compiling your own packages tends not to be worth the tradeoff unless you have special circumstances
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17:56<mjt>also having standard binaries helps with breaking into systems in case a vulnerability is found. Like, all machines running debian have system() function at the same address. By recompiling glibc it can be changed. But kernel now does its own randomisation.
17:57<mjt>dondelelcaro: i'm doing this for some 11 years already :)
17:57<mjt>starting with my own kernel packages, initramfs tools and other stuff
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17:58<IceIsFun>Where do I get /sbin/consoletype ?
17:58<Squelos>hi all
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17:59<streuner_>IceIsFun: apt-file search /sbin/consoletype?
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17:59<streuner_>!find /sbin/consoletype
18:00<IceIsFun>i don't have apt-file or /sbin/consoletype
18:00<dondelelcaro>mjt: sure, but the converse is also true, as rolling out fixes to a few hundred machines is problematic if they're not running the same code
18:00<streuner_>amset:/# apt-file search /sbin/consoletype
18:01<IceIsFun>-bash: apt-file: command not found
18:01<streuner_>install apt-file and run "apt-file update"
18:01<mjt>dondelelcaro: debian machines aren't usually patched by xdelta or somethiing like that, but by installing a .deb file -- so it's not quite important if they were running the same code or not :)
18:02<IceIsFun>Ok apt-file update does not work --- Can't get
18:03<dondelelcaro>mjt: no, but if you've got packages which are compiled with different options on different machines, you've changed the expectations of the dependency system, which means that you've got to know about the differences when you deploy
18:05<themill>IceIsFun: you can ignore that message
18:05<Squelos>i cant run gedit, i get an error !gtk error, cannont open display O.O
18:05<IceIsFun>ok so apt-file doesn't return anything
18:05<IceIsFun>for /sbin/consoletype
18:06<streuner_>IceIsFun: it isnt in too, what kind of app should that be?
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18:06<IceIsFun>Well I'm moving Oracle over to a Debian box and Oracle wants /sbin/consoletype
18:06<IceIsFun>on CentOS it returns "pty"
18:07<dondelelcaro>IceIsFun: there's pretty much no reason for something to be asking for consoletype; you can fake it if you want
18:07<IceIsFun>just copied the binary from centos and it works
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18:08<dondelelcaro>(something caring about what type of console you're on beyond terminfo sounds terribly broken)
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18:10<mjt>oracle wants consoletype? what for?
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18:11<IceIsFun>i dont know or care, all i know is it was complaining about it
18:11<mjt>we're running oracle since it was at version 6.1. It never asked for consoletype...
18:11<IceIsFun>now i copied the file over and its working
18:11<mjt>(even before linux)
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18:11<streuner_>mjt: well, it isnt in Debian...
18:11<mjt>streuner_: what it?
18:12<streuner_>command consoletype, so its pretty strange...
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18:13<mjt>i think i've seen it on a very old redhat system
18:13<mjt>(this command)
18:13<mjt>but i never saw oracle asking for it
18:13<IceIsFun>i think sqlplus wanted it
18:13<mjt>sqlplus never wants it that's for sure
18:13<mjt>run it every day
18:14<IceIsFun>well im not the admin who found the issue i was just researching it
18:14<mjt>up to 11gR2
18:14<IceIsFun>so i don't know exactly what was calling for it
18:14<mjt>(which is out a few days ago btw)
18:14<mjt>but ok, it's getting off-topic here
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18:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:57<dpkg><FrozenSpoon> okay. 3.0 woody. I assume a direct woody->etch upgrade should be fairly smooth?
18:57<themill>sounds more suitable for flw
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18:59<lantizia>Hey does an ISO of squeeze exist that'll install LXDE?
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18:59<lantizia>like the join xfce+lxde disc that lenny got
19:00<lantizia>nvm! got it!
19:00<lantizia>I was blind now I see
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19:10<cesurasean>does anyone have a clue when Dell will drop prices on computers?
19:10<bja>Is that Debian related?
19:11<dr|z3d>cesurasean: Yeah. Dell do. Go ask them.
19:11<cesurasean>dr|z3d: nice one.
19:11<cesurasean>they are surely not going to tell me that. :P
19:12<dr|z3d>cesurasean: Take a hint. Neither are we. :)
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19:12<bja>If you ask nicely they might
19:12<lantizia>Oh I love how blunt this channel is
19:13<cesurasean>probably won't be until Windows 7 comes out, etc...
19:13<cesurasean>is my guessing...
19:13<lantizia>I just spent an hour helping out in the mint channel - my mind is melting from all the stupid questions
19:13<cesurasean>no question is stupid
19:13<abrotman>just the asker ?
19:14<lantizia>that too
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19:27<techie26>in mandrake I could type "konqueror" at a # terminal prompt to run as superuser, in debian 5 : "No protocol specified
19:27<techie26>konqueror: cannot connect to X server :0
19:27<techie26>". Any easy way to do this?
19:30<adama>I think you want to run kdesu konqueror
19:30<ml|>techie26: you could try with sux /msg dpkg sux
19:30<techie26>k, ty
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19:34<brlancer>how can I find the date when a package was moved from unstable to testing?
19:35<avu>brlancer, the pts can tell you
19:35<avu>!tell brlancer about pts
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19:38<abrotman>brlancer: which package ?
19:39<brlancer>quinque: thanks. abrotman: no problem, just trying to check whether a mirror was stale. the package was moved today.
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19:41<abrotman>brlancer: has a pretty good history
19:41<avu>aka: the pts 8)
19:41<abrotman>brlancer: so .. .. for example
19:42<abrotman>totally missed that he said that
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19:51<blendmaster1024>haha!! i think my lh_chroot is finally going to work!
19:52<adb>!win blendmaster1024
19:52<dpkg>Congratulations, blendmaster1024! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia!
19:53<blendmaster1024>adb, lol :) i'm building a debian-live dvd customized to be similar to my desktop environment 8) - including auto-load nvidia drivers 8)
19:54<abrotman>judd: info bootcd --release lenny
19:54<judd>abrotman: bootcd (utils): is extra; Version: 3.10+nmu1; Size: 72.3k; Installed: 280k -- run your system from cd without need for disks
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21:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:51<Charlydofigue>hi can anybody help me to configure my wireless?
21:52<abrotman>just ask
21:53<Charlydofigue>wel i have backtrack , and i dont know what do i need to do to configure, my wireless to connect me at my school
21:53<Charlydofigue>can you help me?
21:53<abrotman>you should ask the backtrack support people
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21:55<Charlydofigue>well ill try thanks
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22:15<\3TATUK>Err, there's no 'scaling' specification in Iceweasel's File->Page Setup option?? How can I print preview a specific scale %?
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22:17<CoMcO>i love you
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22:21<dr|z3d>abrotman: One of your groupies? ;)
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22:44<vortek>hello :)
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22:46<xeon-enouf>abrotman: can't have 'groupies' ,, he's too ..for lack of a better word; "busy" :-P
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22:48*xeon-enouf has swarming harems ... like that Intel guy ,, in the tv commercial :-P
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22:53<vortek>Im having trouble getting my Dell Wireless 1370 WLAN MiniPCI Card working with linux. I got debian installed and working with ethernet, but ethernet is no longer available. I got winXP dual boot so i can dl stuff to windows and xfer to linux. any ideas from the great minds in here?
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22:55<abrotman>vortek: you'd have to know the chipset
22:55<vortek>how i find that out ?
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22:56<sney>lspci |grep -i net
22:56<sney>one of the results will be pretty clearly wireless-related, and it'll say realtek or atheros or broadcom or something like that, followed by a model number
22:57<abrotman>lspci -nn is probably better to get the pciid
22:57<vortek>Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]
22:57<dpkg>[b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. #bcm-users on
22:57<abrotman>maybe ?
22:58<abrotman>or it's the ssb driver
22:58<vortek>it a 1000 mhz lappy pretty old
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23:03<vortel>ahh crap
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23:03<vortek>lost all the info that was posted
23:03<sney>you can /msg dpkg b43 for the same paste
23:03<sney>bots are a great thing
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23:04<vortek>bcmwl5.sys is the windows driver it uses
23:04<vortek>is that any help?
23:06<sney>if you want to use the windows driver, ask dpkg about ndiswrapper
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23:06<kop>Ok. My brain has dried up. What's the command that converts between different bases. (base 10 to hex, say) not hexdump, something that works with ascii.
23:06<vortek>im confused
23:07<vortek>ndiswrapper require anything special? or just the win driver?
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23:22<gsimmons>vortek: Is this still your outdated Sid system with a 2.6.22 kernel, or a recent installation of Lenny?
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23:31<vortek>i gues ill have to copy all the depends to my winows partition and mount it
23:31<vortek>gsimmons: unless you got a better idea??
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