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---Logopened Fri Sep 18 00:00:33 2009
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00:06<k1lumin4t1>I have problems getting fglrx driver to work for Debian Squeeze and kernel 2.6.30 using an ATI Radeon Xpress 200
00:06<k1lumin4t1>it fails to compile
00:06<k1lumin4t1>I'm using latest catalyst available for that chipset (9.3)
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00:08<johnfg>hi folks
00:08<kop>johnfg: Hello
00:08<johnfg>Is # a comment character for /etc/passwd?
00:08<johnfg>Hi kop !
00:08<k1lumin4t1>johnfg, yes
00:08<kop>johnfg: AFAIK there is no comment character.
00:09<kop>k1lumin4t1: You sure?
00:09<k1lumin4t1># and ; are both comment character for the vast majority of UNIX config files
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00:09<johnfg>I want to check something out in regards to authentication via kerberos and openldap, and wanted to just comment the user out before deleting them.
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00:10<johnfg>kerberos, openldap and openafs.
00:10<kop>johnfg: The traditional approach is to put a ! in front of the password field. (I seem to recall.)
00:10<kop>k1lumin4t1: That does not mean they work everywhere.
00:11<johnfg>Well, the # definitely works. However, since I booted with single user mode, I can't check yet on the rest. So, gonna reboot and be back to check later. Thanks!
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00:14<kop>k1lumin4t1: What about it?
00:14<k1lumin4t1>kop, at the end it states what i'm talking about
00:15<kop>k1lumin4t1: I suspect that putting a # in front of a /etc/passwd line just changes the username to begin with a #.
00:15<kop>k1lumin4t1: At the end it says that the shell uses # as a comment character. Nothing more.
00:16<k1lumin4t1>kop, ehh nope
00:16<k1lumin4t1>kop, try adduser-ing a user with # as a character
00:17<k1lumin4t1>kop, since it isn't possible system tools that process the passwd and group files in /etc already know that the character is there for commenting purpposes
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00:17<kop>k1lumin4t1: May not work. Does not mean that manually mucking up the password file will be interpreted by all programs as you believe.
00:17<kop>k1lumin4t1: What happens?
00:17<k1lumin4t1>kop, it must... Not sure about all the tools
00:17<k1lumin4t1>kop, they know it's a comment
00:18<k1lumin4t1>kop, of course, that's not actually the correct way to handle users
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00:19<kop>k1lumin4t1: adduser complains, but so what? useradd does not.
00:20<k1lumin4t1>kop, useradd sux, basically :)
00:21<k1lumin4t1>kop, IEEE 1003.1-2001 standard says it
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00:23<kop>k1lumin4t1: Wanna pastebin the relevant parts? I'm not one for registering to have to read things.
00:23<k1lumin4t1>kop, sure
00:23<k1lumin4t1>kop, did you actually tried adduser with, let's say for example, c#rlos as username?
00:24<kop>k1lumin4t1: No. Tried it with '#foo'
00:25<k1lumin4t1>kop, it will basically vomit this:
00:26<kop>k1lumin4t1: Yeah, that's the same error message I got. But what does the posix spec say? Maybe it says you should just "avoid problems" but allows it.
00:27<kop>k1lumin4t1: I was asking you to post the relevant parts of the posix spec. But I don't have time for this at the moment. Gotta go.
00:27<k1lumin4t1>kop, simple, it understands that any line starting with a # character it implies a comment
00:28<kop>k1lumin4t1: I don't believe it. You can't put # comments in bind config files for example, why should you be able to do so in passwd?
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00:30<kop>k1lumin4t1: Go ahead and create #foo with useradd. Then try chowning a file using the uid. Then see what ls says. I bet it says it's owned by #foo. But gotta go.
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00:49<IceIsFun>Are there any good http load balancers for linux that support ssl?
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00:50<IceIsFun>this is probably the wrong place to be asking about that
00:50<IceIsFun>unless there is a good one in apt
00:51<resmo>IceIsFun: what about
00:52<IceIsFun>I think that is just what I am looking for if it has ssl support, reading their webpage now
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01:06<k1lumin4t1>is there any free software GUI tool for easily making videos out of a webcam and a mic?
01:06<jm_>k1lumin4t1: v4l tools do that
01:06<k1lumin4t1>jm_, gui?
01:07<jm_>k1lumin4t1: some are GUI too yes
01:07<k1lumin4t1>jm_, ok let me try out. thanks
01:08<jm_>apt-cache search video linux
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01:15<k1lumin4t1>jm_, thanks, found camstream. Apparently it can do it
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02:59<se7en>which package contains the du command?
03:00<petemc> /msg dpkg search
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03:02<se7en>that is not good petemc i named my script du and cp /usr/bin
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03:06<buffoon_work>Hi, I'd like to mount a cifs share automatically on boot. I put the entry in /etc/fstab with the option auto but it doesn't get mounted during boot. If I hit "mount /mountpoint/" right after boot as root everything works fine
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03:08<jm_>buffoon_work: enable bootlog and see what it says, there are probably messages for it in other logsfiles too, say dmesg
03:09<se7en>somebody know how i could reinstall du
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03:10<se7en>anyway dpkg -i ... done thanks
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03:13<buffoon_work>jm_, bootlog helped thx... I had to remove the lock file (well, it was a directory) on /var/run/network/mountnfs
03:16<jm_>buffoon_work: np
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03:34<chaos>how do i figure out the vendor / manufacturer of my ram?
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03:39<zem__>chaos: take it out, somewhere on it there si something written (serial number/product number/manufatuter/random numbers), search with google, good luck :)
03:40<chaos>if i had access to the box i wouldn't ask .. obviously
03:42<gsimmons>dpkg: tell chaos -about myram
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03:44<chaos>but stupid crap doesn't have any info :(
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04:31<Wooga>Hello, i just installed package linux-patch-tuxonice (i heard, it gives instant hibernating in every moment, unlike squeamish suspend), but what should i do next to make it work? README-fieles in /usr/share/doc/linux-patch-tuxonice says nothing about applying it, as well is package description and this is all known to me documentation, so i just out of ideas what i am supposed to do
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04:42<jm_>for me suspend is as fast as my disk is, well mostly
04:43<jm_>Wooga: it does suggest using make-kpkg with --added-patches
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04:44<FilipeMaia>Hi. Where can I find openGL man pages in debian?
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04:45<Wooga>jm_: thanks, this is already something
04:45<Wooga>by the way, regular suspend may not work in some cases, like left open context menu in gnome or more complicated things
04:46<jm_>Wooga: otherwise it probably applies using patch command
04:46<jm_>Wooga: hmm I use it via s2disk/s2ram, works fine
04:47<themill>I use s2disk through kpowersave and it works fine
04:47<jm_>FilipeMaia: name one
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04:57<Wooga>jm_: hm... there is no option like --aded-patches in my debian squeeze system
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04:58<Wooga>only --added-modules, but is tuxonice the module?
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05:06<jm_>Wooga: hmm let me check lenny
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05:09<orjan>If I use the serverino option when using mount.cifs, is there values already used and how do I check? or can i start like: 0 1, 0 2?
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05:11<jm_>Wooga: NEWS.Debian.gz for kernel-package: * Get rid of the facility to patch kernel sources
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05:11<Wooga>if only i able to understand what it means
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05:12<Wooga>what is `facility' ?
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05:12<jm_>it means it no longer supports patching kernel source, you need to do it on your own
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05:14<Wooga>but how? there is /usr/src/kernel-patches/(all/(apply|unpatch)|diffs/)
05:14<Wooga>which one of them i should apply?
05:14<Wooga>and how?
05:14<themill>see /usr/share/doc/linux-patch-tuxonice/NEWS.Debian.gz
05:15<jm_>ahh that one has has news too, I failed to check that :)
05:15<jm_>would make more sense to change readme too
05:15<themill>Sounds like a very flaky mechanism
05:16<Wooga>oh, thanks
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05:32<joel_>one question i have a debian lenny box and when i try to do an aptitude update it stalls at this: [Connecting to (2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2)] <----- i wonder why it does resolve as an ipv6 address
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05:35<jm_>check your resolver configuration
05:35<joel_>my resolver it's fine.
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05:35<jm_>so there's no problem if it's fine then
05:35<joel_>jm_: uh? of course there is, if there were not a problem i would not be here.
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05:42<dpkg>from memory, noipv6 is echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or
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06:32<stevem_>Have the powers that be determined a version number for Squeeze?
06:32<stevem_>is it 6.0 ?
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06:35<themill>yes, it will be
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06:45<mrhank>Hi everyone! I´m fairly new to debian and linux, and now i have a problem. Something is consuming all my ram and i do not know what it is. my machine has 16gb of ram and it has been running for a couple of months now with mysql/apache/php and asterisk. It normally takes a total of 500 mb ram but now almost all of my 16gb´s.. how can i find out what is causing the problem? thankful for your help!!
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06:46<sladi>mrhank: top
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06:46<petemc>mrhank: are you expecting to see 15 gig of ram unused?
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06:47<mrhank>sladi: yes i have tried that but i can´t see which application is using all the memory, in the mem-column, almost every process shows 0.0
06:47<petemc>!free ram
06:47<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
06:48<mrhank>petemc: yes, something like that, because the machine aint in production yet and i´m the only one using it..
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06:48<petemc>see above
06:49<rapha> hi, i've installed a vm(vbox) via the bash on debian lenny, i connect to the machine via gnome-rdp. problem: the mouse pointer is at complete different position as the real one. are there any settings i can change? second problem: when i push "ctrl alt del" my screen locks, but nothings happens in the virtual machine
06:51<mrhank>dpkg: ahh, i see! So i don´t really have a problem with this then? i started looking in to this when i thought that an ftp-transfer went too slow and then i noticed the ram-thing but the ftp-speed problem must be something else then.. right?
06:51<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, mrhank
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06:53<mrhank>dpkg: what does that mean?
06:53<dpkg>mrhank: bugger all, i dunno
06:54<mrhank> total used free shared buffers cached
06:54<mrhank>Mem: 16473456 16368604 104852 0 15239604 441704
06:54<mrhank>-/+ buffers/cache: 687296 15786160
06:54<mrhank>Swap: 48259220 4 48259216
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06:56<mrhank>Mem: 16473456 16368604 104852 0 15239604 441704
06:56<mrhank>-/+ buffers/cache: 687296 15786160
06:56<mrhank>Swap: 48259220 4 48259216
06:56<ml|>dpkg pastebin
06:56<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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07:01<mrhank>dpkg: Thank you for the help! Cleared up a lot of things in my head! =)
07:01<dpkg>mrhank: pas de quoi
07:02<dpkg>mrhank: i don't know
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07:02<mrhank>dpkg: this is the results of "free" on my machine, looks good to me!
07:02<dpkg>mrhank: I think you lost me on that one
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07:03<jm_>mrhank: dpkg is a bot ...
07:03<ml|>mrhank: dpkg is a bot /msg dpkg dpkgbot
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07:05<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/sbin/consoletype' returned no results.
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07:05<mrhank>jm_, ml|: haha, jesus im a rookie!! but i got answers from him/that that actually helped me! how the hell does that work??
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07:05<jm_>mrhank: it has lots of factoids that people reference when someone needs to know the same thing
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07:06<mrhank>jm_: ahh, okay.. well, thanks to you all for the help then! =)
07:06<themill>[22:59] <streuner_> !find /sbin/consoletype
07:06<themill>13 hours to reply with "returned no results"... nice
07:06<ml|>haha yeah
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07:08<seanius>dpkg: beer mrhank
07:08*dpkg deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for mrhank
07:09<ml|>mrhank: you should ask your question along with that pastebin, for any other help/info you might want
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07:25<bloebb>hi, how can i "print" into a pdf file from iceweasel on debian etch?
07:25<bloebb>on my lenny machine it just works...
07:26<jm_>bloebb: one option is save to file, then convert .ps to PDF, or use something like cups-pdf
07:26<themill>judd versions cups-pdf
07:26<judd>themill: cups-pdf -- etch: 2.4.2-3 lenny: 2.4.8-3 sid: 2.5.0-8 squeeze: 2.5.0-8
07:26<bloebb>strangely i don't have cups-pdf installed on my lenny machine
07:27<bloebb>and it works fine there
07:27<jm_>ahh no, print to file supports PDF output too
07:28<jm_>in 3.5 anyway
07:28<bloebb>but it doesn't seem like it in etch
07:28<jm_>but it supports .ps there
07:28<themill>does it? (I've always just used the cups virtual printer)
07:28<bloebb>this is iceweasel 2.0
07:28<jm_>I just noticed it, one can select PDF or Postscript now
07:28<themill>jm_: ohh does to in iceweasel 3 :)
07:28<bloebb>never dealt with postscript
07:28<jm_>themill: yup
07:29<themill>bloebb: either grab cups-pdf to create a virtual PDF printer or print to PS and then use ps2pdf
07:29<bloebb>ok, i'll try cups-pdf
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07:38<pusher_>i was wondering is someone could help me with my wireless configuration, I cant get it to work in debian
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07:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
07:39<gsimmons>pusher_: What wireless device are you attempting to use?
07:39<pusher_>i believe its some generic intel device
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07:41<Kjetil>pusher_: usb/pci, which model ?
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07:42<pusher_>its a laptop soooo?
07:42<pusher_>and its not usb
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07:46<bootc>can anyone help me with rsyslog please? I can't seem to find any documentation that convers this scenario...
07:46<bootc>essentially, I have 2 machines that I used to syslog to each other using sysklogd, but now with rsyslogd the messages just bounce back and forth constantly
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07:47<bootc>sysklogd doesn't do that, and has a switch to explicitly enable this (-h) but I can't see the equivalent off switch in rsyslogd
07:49<gsimmons>pusher_: We need more details. The relevant output from lspci or your laptop's brand and model would assist.
07:50<pusher_>03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
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07:52<bloebb>when creating a virtual pdf-printer with cups, should I choose Postscript as Model?
07:52<jm_>bloebb: /usr/share/doc/cups-pdf should have a readme file explaining it
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07:52<bloebb>ok, right
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07:53<jm_>lenny one says Postscript as vendor and Color Printer as model
07:54<admin>How do I set a user's shell to be something with an argument? Specifically I need to run a C# shell, and to do that I need to invoke it with /usr/bin/mono.
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07:54<pusher_>gsimmons: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
07:54<pusher_>03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
07:54<gsimmons>pusher_: Ask dpkg about ath5k or madwifi (e.g. /msg dpkg ath5k). Failing that, elaborate on your wireless interface configuration attempt.
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07:59<chombee>Hey, can I install a package from experimental if I'm on testing? (I want to get empathy 2.27)
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07:59<jm_>chombee: better not if you have to ask
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08:02<pusher_>whats the command to view kernel version installed?
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08:08<napoly>hello.. need help from you people.. i want to install java jdk.. i read so much tutorial and so on.. but still no luck.. if i type into console 'java -version' i get the crapy java version "1.5.0" gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.3.2
08:09<jm_>napoly: sun-java6-jdk
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08:10<napoly>it is installed.. in synaptic... but still if i type java -version.. i can't see it.. should i uninstall something??
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08:11<jm_>then set alternative properly - man update-java-alternatives
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08:15<napoly>sounds good.. i typed it into a console.. but now I'm lost.. :(
08:16<jm_>-l to get a list, then -set
08:16<jm_>!java alternatives
08:16<dpkg>Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the sun-java6 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun".
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08:19<napoly>thank you!!!
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08:20<jm_>no worries
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08:30<Reelos>Moin Moin
08:31<luke>mh es fuktioniert
08:31<Reelos>schaut so
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08:31<Reelos>We are here
08:31<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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08:32<luke>bamp bamp bamp bamp
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08:46<orjan>If I use the serverino option when using mount.cifs, is there values already used and how do I check? or can i start like: 0 1, 0 2?
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08:52<Neon>Hi guys, sorry to noob out like this, but could anyone point me in a direction of how to build 32 bit wine on 64 bit lenny without chrooting 32 bit image? :)
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09:41<urbinek>will i have any troubles with OvisLink AirLive WT-2000 PCI ?
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09:41<urbinek>i wanna share network@home
09:41<rimvis>which comand display mount my hard on centos?
09:42<themill>rimvis: perhaps you're looking for #centos on
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09:45<scientes>when will we be able to do something like apt-get -a i386 install libwhatever
09:45<scientes>or dpkg -i a x86-32 on amd64
09:46<scientes>what is left to be done
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09:50<the-dude>any suggestions for deployment of custom firefox ?
09:52<themill>the-dude: /msg dpkg multiple ask
09:52<urbinek>the-dude: install opera xP
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09:52<the-dude>urbinek: nope doesn't work with our application ofcoarse :p
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09:53<urbinek>rubbish, opera should work, yours applications are wrong xP
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09:55<nucc>hi guys... I need some help. How can I install bind9 by apt-get without ldap and kerberos packages?
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09:56<nucc>Is there any option to avoid these packages?
09:56<urbinek>try uninstall those after install bind or compile bind
09:56<nucc>ok, thx
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09:56<urbinek>ew download bind9.deb and install from deb
09:56<urbinek>but i don't know if it works :P
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10:02<themill>nucc: they are two small libraries -- it's not worth worrying about microoptimising dependencies like that
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10:03<nucc>yes, it's true, but I don't like mess
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10:09<gabrielos>hablan español
10:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:12<flinx>Hi! I have problem with auto configuration of xorg conf. My X work ok, but i need to find way of auto configuration of xorg server during debian boot for optimal resolution.
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10:13<flinx>So, i connect different monitors to my pc and each time pc boots - it will autoconfigure xorg for optimal resolution.
10:13<petemc>flinx: thats kinda what should happen now
10:14<flinx>petemc: How this is happening? I need to get this mechanism an put to my linux build
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10:16<petemc>flinx: hal and xrandr
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10:17<flinx>petemc: What should i do with them? Is there some article about how to use them?
10:17<petemc>you shouldnt need to do anything
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10:19<flinx>petemc: You mean i should only install xrandr and it will autoconfigure X for me during boot???
10:20<flinx>petemc: Should i install x11-server-utils?
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10:21<tiago>ola pessoal
10:21<dpkg>well, id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360, or #debian-id
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10:22<flabber>I just installed Debian; why is my kernel 486?
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10:23<themill>flabber: if you have an 686 capable processor, install the linux-image-686 package
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10:27<flabber>themill: that wasn;t my question, I don;t understand why doesnt the installation system know I have a 686????
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10:28<flabber>talking about lenny
10:28<themill>flabber: no idea. It usually does, but we see a few people where it doesn't see that automatically and it has to be conservative about the choices it makes
10:28<flabber>hmm lenny == 5 isn;t it?
10:29<flabber>themill: I just did a standard install to be amazed by the fact it went for a 486 kernel :S
10:30<flabber>I don't understand...
10:30<stew>flabber: 486 works on the widest available set of hardware
10:30<flabber>yeaah I know
10:31<flabber>The Debian install don't got a 686 kernel?
10:31<themill>flabber: [15:28] <themill> flabber: no idea. It usually does, but we see a few people where it doesn't see that automatically and it has to be conservative about the choices it makes
10:32<flabber>themill: thats ok, and I'd like to compile my own but it bugs me
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10:33<flabber>I don't understand the choise of the installer
10:33<flabber>it can read my chip
10:34<flabber>and besides
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10:34<flabber>I don't understand why that version of LXDE is includen in stable
10:35<flabber>it's buggy...
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10:35<adb>flabber, you'r it's kind of troll
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10:36<flabber>adb: no
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10:36<flabber>adb: I don't want to troll
10:37<flabber>is it a troll to ask critical questions?
10:37<kop>flabber: Stable just means it does not change. Not that it's entirely bug free.
10:37<flabber>kop: I know
10:37<kop>flabber: Well then why ask?
10:38<flabber>kop: but LXDE is quitte unstable isn't it?
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10:38*flabber doesn't understand
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10:39<flabber>I have found a pretty severe bug already in LXDE
10:39<kop>flabber: If it's not useable it shouldn't be in stable. Otherwise it is what it is.
10:40<flabber>do I have to get used to that?
10:40<flabber>kop: what I found is severe
10:40<flabber>not securitywise
10:40<themill>flabber: all software has bugs. Old software has known severe bugs. New software has not-yet-discovered severe bugs.
10:41<rudi_s>flabber: Report a bug so it can be fixed.
10:41<flabber>I know all sofware has bug, i have been a developer myself
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10:41<flabber>and yes ofcourse I will report
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10:42<flabber>problem is I find this quitte severe for a Debian stable
10:42<petemc>so you've said
10:43<flabber>and I don't understand why they include LXDE
10:43<flabber>coz its not stable at all
10:43<petemc>how useful do you think it is to keep repeating that here?
10:44<petemc>check the bts to see if its already reported, if not, report it
10:44<petemc>job done
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10:45<flabber>I don't understand
10:46<flabber>btw its a gui thing
10:46<flabber>but nonetheless a strange bug
10:47<administrator>hello, I need a little bit of help. I'm running Ubuntu, and I'm using CLI irc right now. I have locked the keyboard input in Gnome, mouse works, and i can still do Alt+Ctrl+F1 and get to bash. I do not know the shortcut key I hit to kill keyboard input on Gnome. Any ideas??
10:47<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
10:47<flabber>go away
10:47<themill>administrator: sounds like you want #ubuntu on
10:47<flabber>Ubuntu people are not welcome here ;-)
10:48<kop>administrator: Ubuntu people are welcome, but ubuntu is offtopic.
10:48<flabber>thats funny
10:48<themill>flabber: they're welcome, it's just that they won't get help. There's no need to be rude.
10:48<administrator>does it help that i manage 4 debian web servers because I don't think that Ubuntu is good enough for production?
10:48<kop>administrator: No. It matters that we don't know ubuntu.
10:48<flabber>all kinds of people come here running a deb. based distro and ask questions
10:48<themill>administrator: it's nice, but we have no idea what versions of gnome you have and what configuration they come with.
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10:49<administrator>err isn't.. and my question is really about gnome.. but I will see if i can't figure out sirc to try and connect to freenode.
10:49<administrator>thanks everyone
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10:49<flabber>themill: nice is for the cpu
10:50<orjan>If I use the serverino option when using mount.cifs, is there values already used and how do I check? or can i start like: 0 1, 0 2 for 2 mounts?
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10:53*flabber runs lenny
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11:55<Blood>where is the file i need to update to get the sudo working ? I cant find it. And i installed a new kernel. Do i have to reinstall KDE etc ... ?
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11:56<bja>Blood: locate sudoers
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11:57<Blood>thanks :). And concerning KDE etc ... with my new kernel ?
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12:10<adama>Blood: no you don't
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12:11<gaurav>Blood, try visudo
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12:25<nucc> can you offer me good backup tool? (console)
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12:35<nucc>why does rsnapshot need x11-common? ohh, shit
12:35<nucc>and libx11
12:36<Nemoder>it shouldn't
12:36<nucc>ohh sorry... openssh-server
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12:37<nucc>i don't know...
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12:39<bja>nucc: apt-cache depends rsnapshot
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12:39<nakahe>how to automatically remount on startup?
12:40<bja>nakahe: man fstab
12:40<nakahe>i read it
12:40<nakahe>didnt get how to do it mister
12:41<nakahe> 'auto' in the options field ?
12:41<nucc>bja: ohh thx, it's just a recommended package...
12:41<bja>/your/dev /your/mountpoint type auto,rw,bind,user 0 0
12:41<bja>nakahe: ^^
12:42<nakahe>that was for me?
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12:42<bja>nakahe: btw it is in the man page
12:43<nakahe>bind? i thought you only needed that for remounting
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12:43<bja>depends on the things you want to do, i use it for a nfs
12:47<nakahe>do you happen to have a working link to that article (pdf?) about the cheap petabyte storage from capricorn? the linuxdevices link is broken and I can't find it anywhere
12:47<nakahe>the article with the hardware details and cost comparisons and stuff
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12:52<nakahe>bja: fstab mount seems to have busted my matrix control panel :(
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13:02<And1>Hey folks, got a new mainboard. Now, my soundblaster card doesn't work anymore, what can I do? alsaconf doesn't really help.
13:02<And1>It's an emu10k soundblaster.
13:02<And1>alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
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13:05<bja>nakahe: on fstab you put how you want your sistem to mount things, then it gets mounted automatically whenever you boot up or isuing a mount /dir/to/be/mounted should mount the device
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13:06<bja>And1: check that your sound card is recieving power from the mainboard that it is properly connected
13:07<And1>bja: It is properly connected, as far as I can see that. Is there a way to test that in debian?
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13:09<bja>And1: if you have an earphone set plug it in the mic input jack if you hear a small click then your soundcard is getting power
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13:10<locklace>And1: paste output of lspci -knn
13:10<nakahe>fstab mount seems to have busted my matrix control panel :(
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13:11<And1>bja: That's the case.
13:11<And1>locklace: One moment.
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13:15<locklace>And1: that output says your sound card is an Intel HDA and has an active kernel driver
13:15<locklace>And1: cat /proc/asound/cards
13:15<And1>That's card 2, I want to use my soundblaster.
13:16<And1>Hmm, that only shows the intel card, too.
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13:16<And1> 1 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
13:16<And1> HDA Intel at 0xe2220000 irq 22
13:17<locklace>And1: if the sb is a pci card, the fact that it doesn't show up on lspci is not a good sign
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13:24<aberbotimue>quiet in here - so feel guilty with such a sall novice type question, but here it goes! I havn't done an apt-get for a VERY long time.. I just ran apt-get dist upgrade - will that upgrade the base OS to lenny too?
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13:24<mjk>aberbotimue: Depends on what you have in /etc/apt/sources.list
13:24<mjk>aberbotimue: If it lists "sarge", you won't get upgraded to lenny. :-)
13:24<aberbotimue>lots of referances to debian stable
13:24<locklace>i like how people ask if they should do something immediately after doing it
13:25<mjk>locklace: 8-)
13:25<mjk>aberbotimue: stable will AFAIK bring you current stable, i. e. Lenny.
13:25<aberbotimue>Not asking if i should, just interested to know what I will have at the end of it!
13:25<aberbotimue>thank you..
13:25<mjk>aberbotimue: BUT ...
13:25<aberbotimue>see that was an easy one!
13:25<locklace>"i have no idea what i'm doing, so i ran this command that totally rebuilds my system. was that a good idea?"
13:25<aberbotimue>always a BUT!
13:25<mjk>aberbotimue: There might be some work involved ...
13:26<mjk>locklace: 8-))
13:26<bja>!beer locklace
13:26*dpkg pours a litre of Jever for locklace
13:26<mjk>aberbotimue: If you have an absolutley unaltered Sarge system, the upgrade will probably go without any work involved.
13:26<mjk>aberbotimue: But if you changed config files in /etc/, you might have to adapt your old edited config file to the new program versions in Lenny.
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13:27<aberbotimue>I suspected that would be the case, and yes, Ithere is a load I changed when i set it all up..
13:27<mjk>Anyone knows if there is a 100% FREE and OPEN SOURCE driver for Intel Pro Wireless 2200BG? I know there's the binary firmware package for it, but I'd like to go free and open source first.
13:28<aberbotimue>but also backed up the whol lot so I could go back, and get the original settings if needed..
13:28<mjk>aberbotimue: That was a wise decision!
13:29<aberbotimue>Thanks for the advice mjk -
13:30<locklace>i've never seen a third-party driver that bypasses the need for intel firmware
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13:31<mjk>Hmf. It's a pity that stuff is built into my Thinkpad. Of course, I could get an extra wlan adapter, but somehow I dislike that, too.
13:31<mjk>I guess I'll try the binary stuff for now, then look for another open-source solution
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13:34<Sentri>I have a virtual machine, and I think its hardware time is set to local (EEST) and my debian thinks it is UTC. So my system time is 3 hours off :/ what could I do?
13:34<chaoticmass>Debian Etch: Got cupsys installed and printing. Would like to share the printer with other linux clients on the network. Editing cupsd.conf with Allow From 192.168.2.* should enable me to access from any machine on my subnet, yet it is not working. Have restarted /etc/init.d/cupsys to no avail. What am I missing?
13:35<mjk>Sentri: Do you have Debian as both guest and host OS?
13:35<mjt>define "not working"
13:36<Sentri>the situation is this: I've rented a remote server with debian, and I have root acces to the virtual system
13:36<Sentri>if you understand what I mean
13:36<chaoticmass>Nevermind: I missed the configuration option "listen localhost:631" needs to be "listen *:631"
13:38<mjk>Sentri: Then you should set "UTC=no" in your /etc/default/rcS and set your system's time zone correctly using "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (I think, not sure).
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13:38<mjk>Sentri: Maybe you need one reboot for UTC=no to take effect.
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13:40<bja>Sentri: check your time zone by isuing a single "date" at the prompt
13:41<Sentri>the server rebooted today and the problem has been ever since, UTC=no is already there
13:41<Sentri>date shows Fri Sep 18 23:41:33 EEST 2009 which is 3 hours off
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13:43<bja>Sentri: correct the timezone using dpkg-reconfigure tzdata ass mjk allready suggested and the correct the time using "date"
13:44<bja>you could also set up a ntp daemon, but that is an overkill
13:44<Sentri>I have used dpkg-reconfigure tzdata already, it didnt do anything
13:44<Sentri>date --set doesn't do anything either
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13:47<Sentri>if I use date --set 20:47:0 it prints the correct time, but then I use date to check it and it prints the wrong time again
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13:48<aberbotimue>I think advice for novice debian people, is don't watch the screen, while apt does somthing to nearly everything on there.. some of this stuff is scary to watch
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13:51*mjt usually runs mplayer or tvtime while apt does its work in the background... ;)
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13:52<bja>Sentri: date -s hh:min
13:53<Sentri>it does the same thing :/
13:53<aberbotimue>it seems to be giving a warning everytime it opens a new package about the locale failing to get set correctly.. is this somthing I can just alter at the end, and all will be well?
13:53<Sentri>date -s 20:53
13:53<Sentri>Fri Sep 18 20:53:00 EEST 2009
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13:54<Sentri>dunno if the host is somehow preventing me from setting it
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13:55<bja>Sentri: are you doing it as root?
13:55<Sentri>root of the vertual box
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14:01<pfix>Hello. is there an easy way to have e.g. a base install and rebuild those packages with a different compiler version?
14:02<bja>pfix: From #gcc topic " Still 136 regressions in 4.3, 97 in 4.4 and 138 in 4.5 (ssb)"
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14:04<pfix>so ignore the part with "different compiler version" - is there an easy way to rebuild a set of packages?
14:05<bja> atp-get source package_you_want
14:05<pfix>that wont rebuild the package at all
14:06<bja>that will download the source package the you will have to use debuild
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14:07<bja>pfix: man debuild will give you a further insight to the options or the tweakings you might like to do
14:08<pfix>that package simply does not exist. debian-builder does but is a bunch of perl hacks
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14:09<bja>pfix: you neet first to instal build-essential fakeroot devscripts
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14:11<bja>pfix: you might also want to install debian-policy for an overview on how things are organized within the package structure
14:14<pfix>quite hackish all this, hmmm
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14:41<Bolle1961><siegie> Je bent dus al begonnen...
14:41<Bolle1961><Bolle1961> wie niet horen wil moet maar voelen, dat huigelachtige van jou komt mij de keel uit
14:42<Bolle1961>sorry wrong channel
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14:48<uplaudek>jest ktos pl ?
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14:51<gomoran>If I shade a window and then minimize ist, how do I get it back?
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14:51<dr|z3d>gomoran: Should be registered on your task panel or elsewhere.
14:51<gomoran>No it's not.
14:52<gomoran>That's the problem.
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14:52<dr|z3d>gomoran: Then you need to tweak your DE accordinly.
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14:53<gomoran>If it's only minimized it shows up in the task panel, but if it's shaded too, it vanishes completely.
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14:53<gomoran>Try it: shade a window and then minimize it.
14:53<gomoran>KDE4 by the way
14:54<chaoticmass>Debian Etch: cupsys installed, prints ps files fine. PDF files print as blank pages. Any suggestions? Thanks.
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14:56<Ignaz>hi, Debian
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14:59<Maxausluebeln>speek german ?
14:59<Ignaz>hi, Maxausluebeln
15:00<Maxausluebeln>my english is very bad by write
15:00<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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15:03<Ignaz>Maxausluebeln, komm rüber :)
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15:03<Maxausluebeln>wo hin ?
15:04<Ignaz>nach Klick einfach auf den Namen
15:04<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
15:04<dr|z3d>Ignaz: Please speak English here.
15:05<Maxausluebeln>he funzt nicht ??
15:05<dr|z3d>That goes for you too, Maxausluebeln
15:05<Ignaz>Maxausluebeln, type /join
15:06<LFH>is there a debian pacakge simliar to dreamweaver?
15:07<chaoticmass>Why should kghostview print a blank page when printing a PDF while kpdf prints the same PDF perfectly?
15:10<dr|z3d>Because it's buggy.
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15:14<blendmaster1024>LFH: i think so, hold on
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15:18<blendmaster1024>LFH: try quanta - not quite like dreamweaver, but will probably do the job. you want 'VPL & Source editors' mode, with an eye over two lines, in the main buttons bar
15:18<Gun_Smoke>I'm can't seem to nail down inserting/displaying superscript/subscripts in emails. My locales are en_US.UTF-8
15:19<Gun_Smoke>^3 or _3 displayed as keyed.
15:19<LFH>blendmaster1024, is that the one from kde? apt-cahce search quanta doesn't find any
15:20<blendmaster1024>try apt-cache instead of apt-cahce
15:20<LFH>:) still nothing
15:21<blendmaster1024>oh, ok then, do you have the main repo as one of your repos? if you only have cds, and only have a few, then that makes sense that you cant find it
15:22<LFH>blendmaster1024, thanx it seems that it is part of kdewebdev package. I am goin to try it.
15:24<blendmaster1024>or if your gnome, then maybe try screem - it has no even sort of WYSIWYG mode though
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15:26<LFH>blendmaster1024, I will try quanta first. it seems quite what I was looking for. It is not in testing for some reason though
15:27<dr|z3d>LFH: Also see kompozer.
15:28<dr|z3d>LFH: And fwiw, Dreamweaver should work well enough under Wine.
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15:32<LFH>drakeman, thanx, I tried kompozer, but seems a bit limited in dealing with templates syncing. I don't own dreamweaver just want to work on a project that has been cretaed under dreamweaver.
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15:33<dr|z3d>LFH: As long as you're not reliant on DW templates, any html editor will work fine with dw-authored sites.
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15:50<edbian>What IDE do you use to program in C++ ??
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15:52<bja>edbian: vim
15:52<edbian>bja: Does it have a debugger?
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15:54<bja>edbian: gdb
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15:55<edbian>bja: I've been reading up on gdb but it just seems so clumsy. I am looking for something graphical that allows me to set break points, step in/out/over, and visual my data during runtime.
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15:56<bja>edbian: sorry X is broken and i don't want to fix it just yet, i finded out the hardway that i am by far more productive on tty
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15:56<edbian>bja: Really?
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15:59<bja>edbian: screen + irssi + mutt + newsbeuter + beetlbee on tty1
15:59<edbian>bja: Doesn't browsing the web without graphics drive you CRAZY?
16:00<bja>edbian: w3m and links2 gives me the things i need which is usually text, i don't mind not beeing able to see photographs, or logos.
16:00<edbian>bja: mm
16:00<edbian>bja: I guess its a matter of opinion but I think you're missing out! ;)
16:01<bja>edbian: I've been there, i've seen all that there is to it, I am far more productive without that.
16:02<bja>edbian: and if you think i don't hear music, i do have moc installed for that :)
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16:03<edbian>bja: Now if you told me you went without music I'd know you were crazy.
16:03<edbian>bja: There is a whole world of new lol catz that you
16:03<edbian>'re missing out on! ;)
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16:03<bja> /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | FAQ: | NO FLOOD: /msg dpk
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16:05<bja>edbian: take a look here
16:05<bja>that is the main reason i droped adobe and well the rest is old history
16:06<edbian>bja: I'm paranoid enough! You're not helping the sitch
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16:12<locklace>bja: text is great, but there's no excuse for not using emacs
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16:14<ml|>bja: there is betterprivacy add-on for iceweasel that takes care of those flash cookies
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16:31<edbian>locklace: Thanks
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16:35<locklace>edbian: for the editing part, (comes with emacs)
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16:35<Ignaz>hi, mshahruz
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16:54<adama>how can I tell whether two file paths are actually the same file (due to symbolic and/or hard links)?
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16:57<Ignaz>howdy, mib_kxmscotk
16:57<mib_kxmscotk>does anyone know the command to show what debian version you are running
16:57<mib_kxmscotk>like if it is lenny
16:57<rudi_s_>mib_kxmscotk: cat /etc/debian_version
16:58<rudi_s_>4 is etch, 5 is lenny.
16:58<stew>adama: compare "stat -c %i $(readlink -f filename)" ; readlink -f resolves the symlinks, stat gives you the inode number whould would be the same for hardlinks
16:58<mib_kxmscotk>oh right cool
16:58<mib_kxmscotk>i have 5.0
16:59<rudi_s_>mib_kxmscotk: Maybe you should update, 5.0.3 is latest.
16:59<mib_kxmscotk>well just got the box
16:59<mib_kxmscotk>so will have to do that
17:00<mib_kxmscotk>got a sheeva plug with lenny on it
17:00<mib_kxmscotk>thought it would come with ubuntu
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17:01<dr|z3d>Sheeva plug?
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17:02<dr|z3d>USB thumb drive?
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17:03<mib_kxmscotk>yea sheeva plug
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17:03<mib_kxmscotk>i did not connect a thumb drive to it yet
17:03<mib_kxmscotk>got 512MB of flash onboard
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17:04<dr|z3d>Repeating sheeva plug doesn't illuminate me. What *is* a sheeva plug? Excuse my ignornace. *chuckle*
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17:05<mib_kxmscotk>it explains it all there
17:05<mib_kxmscotk>another place where debian shows up
17:06<adama>thanks stew
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17:15<bja>locklace: i need an editor, not an embedded os within linux :)
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17:17<locklace>bja: your concept of 'editing' just isn't sufficiently general
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17:21<hxB5>Hi all, in a gnome terminal, is there a way not to display the full working path? like instead of "username@computername:~`whatever folder you r'in
17:21<dr|z3d>Edit your bashrc.
17:22<hxB5>is it in /etc ?
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17:23<bja>hxB5: it is in ~/.bashrc
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17:23<dkr>you want to make you r own if you don't already have it in your home dir. you want the section about "prompt" in man bash
17:24<dkr>unless you were talking about the terminal title...
17:24<locklace>bja: that was implemented in Emacs 23
17:25<hxB5>i am looking into it right now... found it in ~
17:25<locklace>bja: (search for butterfly)
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17:50<wuazu>Hola, alguien habla español?
17:51<wuazu>Hola, alguien habla español?
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17:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:52<wuazu>gracias !!
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17:55<hxB5>Thx guy! I broke my terminal, then fixed and got the expected result (no more working path displayed)!
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17:55<hxB5>learn by mistake :-)
17:55<hxB5>note that you also need to modify the /etc/bmc
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17:56<hxB5>Discard my last entry
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18:41<dpkg>< RichiH> stable is for masochist fetishists with serverphobia ;)
18:43<streuner__>!factinfo qotd0
18:43<dpkg>qotd0 -- last modified at Sun Apr 6 06:19:53 2008 by hoxu!i=FpxlxP1c@unaffiliated/hoxu; it has been requested 2467 times, last by bja, 1m 25s ago.
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18:46<hamburg>Hi there! Someone know how can i install a virtualbox in a debian host without X. I'm trying to install via apt, but i got unmet dependencies.
18:47<bja>hamburg: you canot install a virtual box with X in a host without X
18:47<bja>afaik the other way around is possible
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18:56<dkr>maybe with just x libs?
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19:59<|kardan|>wnd: Conflicting distribution: squeeze Release (expected squeeze but got lenny)
20:00<|kardan|>seems as our mirror is misconfigured
20:02<|kardan|>/usr/bin/kino: /usr/bin/kino: cannot execute binary file
20:02<|kardan|>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 987044 2009-03-20 00:39 /usr/bin/kino
20:02<|kardan|>just installed kino on sid
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20:04<|kardan|>solved the 2nd
20:06<|kardan|>mplayer: parse_PES_packet @ 59848722(84.25%): unknown marker bits (6b) | Detected MPEG1 stream! This is experimental code.
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20:06*|kardan| just searchs for a simple working video cut program
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20:07<|kardan|>gopchop froze
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20:30<dr|z3d>bja: That's a long shot. ;)
20:31<dr|z3d>dpkg != google.
20:31<dpkg>dr|z3d: I give up, what is it?
20:31*dr|z3d winks.
20:31<MercinovA>I'm currently running an upgrade via KPackage and I'm getting diskfull's a 29GB Partition...should I actually be getting those errors?
20:31<dpkg><dr|z3d> aptitude is better at handling dependencies and cleaning up shit. <bja> dr|z3d: Can i quote you on that one ? <dr|z3d> bja: Certainly. My word is gospel. ;)
20:31*dr|z3d laughs.
20:32<dr|z3d>Sneaky, bja, sneaky.
20:32<slush>MercinovA: wehen its full, its ful
20:33<slush>damn, sitting not right behind your keyboard, is killing your typeskills
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20:33<MercinovA>Slush: I realize that, but what I'm actually asking is...should it be full when all it is used for is Debian Kernel?
20:33<slush>MercinovA: well, 29GB is a lot of space for just a kernel
20:34<bja>MercinovA: df -h should give you a hint on what is going on
20:35<slush>MercinovA: I guess it isnt only used for the kernel
20:36<slush>see also the command `du`
20:36<bja>MercinovA: du -ckh
20:37<bja>MercinovA: apt-get clean will clear the local repository, just in case that is the partition that is full
20:37<MercinovA>Slush: I mean it's only used for Debian OS...all of my programs and personal files are on a different partition...
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20:39<slush>MercinovA: several things stores on several locations
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20:40<slush>things like /var/backups and /var/log/*
20:41<slush>and many alike
20:41<MercinovA>is there anything like Scanner.exe (windows) for that shows the contents of the drive/partition in a graphical ui?
20:41<MercinovA>pardon the broken english...I'm just tired at this point...
20:41<slush>wait a sec
20:41<dondelelcaro>MercinovA: contents in what way? like mc?
20:41<slush>i've seen something in linux mag
20:42<bja>MercinovA: gparted will give you the numbers you are looking for
20:42<bja>although those same numbers will be printed by df -h
20:42<MercinovA>like a pie graph that shows the contents (e.g. files w/ filesizes)...
20:43<MercinovA>it's just kinda tedious to just use Konqueror to narrow down when the mass of the files or unneeded files are...
20:44<bja>I remember looking at one of those, but this german is driving me crazy
20:44<themill>MercinovA: take a look at filelight
20:44<adama>MercinovA: look at baobab, it may be only for gnome though
20:44<slush>kdirstat, filelight, boabab, bleachbit or agedu
20:44<slush>MercinovA: those are mentiond
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20:48<MercinovA>it's strange...when I calculate the diskspace of the partition in's giving me 47.9 GB used on a 29GB partition...something is definitely not clicking here...
20:48<slush>sounds like something that has been linked someway
20:49<MercinovA>as in duplicate files?
20:50<MercinovA>I'm still a newb...I haven't quite grasped the linking or sub-linking yet...
20:50<slush>not sure tho, never seen such behavior
20:51<bja>MercinovA: do you have any vms installed on that partition?
20:51<MercinovA>is there any way to increase the root partition without data damage?
20:52<MercinovA>not sure what vms is...
20:52<bja>virtual machines
20:52<adama>MercinovA: try the du command (cli) e.g. du -hs /path or du -h --max-depth=1
20:53<adama>man du will tell you how to follow links or count linked files etc
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20:53<MercinovA>I ran # du -hs just reported 14g...that's all the info it gave me...
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20:56<MercinovA># du -h --max-depth=1 gave me more insight...but the numbers still don't add up...all of the directories total less than 100mb and root is 14g...
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20:58<MercinovA>if I created a new mnt folder...does the folder assume the size of the partition it refers to?
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21:00<bja>What package do i need to authenticate a computer to an Active Directory domain?
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21:02<MercinovA>themill: thnx for suggesting FileLight...that's exactly what I was looking for! :)
21:02<bja>!win MercinovA
21:02<dpkg>Congratulations, MercinovA! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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21:03<MercinovA>I'm not trying to spam, bud...I'm just trying to resolve an issue...all apologies if my style of communicating have spoiled your day...
21:05<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
21:07<MercinovA>and with that single, sir, have spammed more than my legitimate a mirror and eat some cornbread for God's sake!
21:07<dr|z3d>MercinovA: Don't mind the bot, nor bja. Humor is a wondrous thing. Sometimes it fails (to translate). ;)
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21:08<dr|z3d>No one was insinuating you were spamming the channel. Let's just be clear on that.
21:09<dr|z3d>!beer MercinovA
21:09*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for MercinovA
21:09<MercinovA>the I sincerely apologize for the misunderstanding...thnx to everyone for the input for resolution... :)
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21:10<adb> 03:03:25 <MercinovA> I'm not trying to spam, bud...
21:11*dr|z3d purrs.
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21:17<GLG>error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory= i got this while trying to play a rom on snes9x. what shared object file does it want?
21:18<GLG>o sry debian board cya
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21:20<heartbeats>any body know python programing
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21:25<heartbeats>any body know how to indtall
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21:27<bja>heartbeats: apt-get install gtalk
21:27<adb>try #python on
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21:28<adb>bja, don't forget recommend aptitude ;)
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21:30<heartbeats>is it possible to install yahoo messenger
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21:30<heartbeats>but no body is there in that chanel
21:31<adb> on ?
21:31<adb>704 ppl
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21:34<heartbeats>where is the locations
21:34<heartbeats>of gtalk
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21:37<fx0>Can anybody offer advice for a broken server?
21:39<heartbeats>where i can find out gtalk
21:39<heartbeats>i installed gtalk using
21:39<heartbeats>apt-get install gtalk
21:39<heartbeats>but i cant find out the gtalk
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21:40<dpalacio>heartbeats: try kopete, psi or pidgin instead
21:41<heartbeats>pidgin not support file transfer
21:41<dpalacio>kopete and psi do
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21:43<fx0> My server is mounting the filesystem as read only at boot, so all the services are failing. There don't appear to be any file system errors
21:43<LepeR>can someone help me please?
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21:43<LepeR>i'm leper i'm from Chile
21:43<LepeR>can someone help me please?
21:44<bremner>!tell LepeR -about ask
21:44<LepeR>thank you =)
21:45<LepeR>is my first time here i'm really sorry
21:46<kardan|>LepeR: can you repeat your problem please
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21:47<fx0>Any reason typing mount would return "illegal instruction"?
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21:47<LepeR>I have a problem with drivers of wifi, and vga; I'm running Debian version lenny (mixed repositories). When I try to install vga with the ati drivers it becomes very very slow, and wifi don't work. I expected it to works fine xD!, i have a laptop, compaq 515
21:47<LepeR>now it is ok??
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21:49<kardan|>ok for me, but I cant help, sorry - have no ati. LepeR what says lspci about your wifi card?
21:50<LepeR>wow i don't remind well it is a broadcom
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21:50<LepeR>now i'm a bad boy and i'm from win7
21:50<LepeR>i'm a sinner
21:51<dpkg>[b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. #bcm-users on
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21:52<dpkg>[bnx2] The driver for Broadcom NetXtreme II 1Gb (BCM5706/5708/5709/5716) NIC chipsets. Disabled in 'linux-2.6' 2.6.23-1 due to embedded binary-only firmware. Enabled again in 'linux-2.6' 2.6.24-7, install the <non-free> 'firmware-bnx2' package (lenny, etchnhalf) to enable driver use. If required, ask me about <installer firmware> to provide bnx2 firmware files, for device use at Debian installation time. See also <bcm5716>, <bnx2x>.
21:52<LepeR>it isno a bnx2
21:52<LepeR>it seem to be the first one
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21:52<LepeR>but my very big problem is with the ati card
21:53<LepeR>with a normal installation it works ok
21:53<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
21:53<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI ( For chipsets prior to R600 (ie. models up to and including the X1950), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (recent chipsets, usually better 3D performance/features). See also <radeonhd>. #radeon on freenode.
21:53<adb>!tell LepeR -about selftell
21:55<LepeR>thank you abd =) i'm sorry but i'm new here i don't know how is it work for now
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21:55<LepeR>i'm sorry if i make you get angry
21:56<LepeR>i will format and install al from zero again
21:56<LepeR>with the normal gnome
21:57<LepeR>and try to configure the wifi card and the 3d
21:59<adb>use wired network, and come here with irssi (irc clint for console)
21:59<adb>no need reinstall
22:01<LepeR>so don't open gdm
22:01<LepeR>an come here for console?
22:01<LepeR>ok mate
22:01<LepeR>wait me for a while
22:02<kardan|>xchat is ok too :)
22:02<LepeR>nope it works to slow
22:02<LepeR>it keep freeze when i open a window
22:02<LepeR>any window
22:02<kardan|>oh you are on console, sorry
22:02<LepeR>not now
22:02<LepeR>now i'm from win
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22:03<LepeR>and when i upgrade the system it show 3 kernels on grub but just works one
22:03<LepeR>what happen with the other may i erase them??
22:03<adb>LepeR, run > irssi -c -n LepeR , and than /j #debian
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22:05<LepeR>here i go!
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22:06<war>can anyone help me mount a ntfs drive or point me to some info
22:07<adb>war, /msg dpkg ntfs-3g
22:08<dr|z3d>war: also see ntfsconfig
22:09<kardan|>openmovieeditor looks quite ugly .. at least it works, in contrary to kino gopchop and pitivi
22:09<war>i will do it, thanks for the help
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22:12<leper>hello i'm back
22:12<leper>i'm from xchat
22:12<leper>i join with xfce
22:12<adb>!wb leper
22:12<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! leper has returned!
22:13<leper>thank you abd
22:13<leper>ok can i send here my lspci?
22:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
22:13<gsimmons>leper: Use a pastebin, please. The output of 'lspci -n' would be useful.
22:14<adb>lspci -nn | grep Wifi
22:14<adb>lspci -nn | grep VGA
22:16<leper>06:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
22:17<leper>01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics] [1002:9612]
22:17<adb>judd, pciid 14e4:4315
22:17<judd>adb: [14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ssb' in sid. See also
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22:18<leper>i have mixed repositories
22:19<gsimmons>leper: What exactly do you mean by that?
22:19<leper>that i use a lot of repositories on sid
22:19<adb>lenny/squeeze /sid ..
22:19<oigres>What is the simplest yet usuable window manager? I've been looking at scrotwm and looks very good! Any ideas?
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22:20<war>if debian doesnt reconize fdisk what does it? i have this command to view ntfs drives(fdisk -l | grep NTF) but debian doesnt reconize fdisk
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22:20<adb>fdisk -l /dev/sda
22:20<adb>as root
22:21<leper>kernel 2.6.30 doesn't work to me
22:21<leper>for me works 2.6.23
22:21<adb>2.6.23 ?
22:21<leper>26 i mean
22:21<war>adb: ahh yea thanks had to do it as root
22:22<leper>when i upgraded appears 3 kernels on my grub, 2.6.26 two times, and 2.6.30 one
22:22<leper>last one doesn't work
22:23<leper>screen becomes black and don't load nothing
22:23<gsimmons>leper: Regarding your wireless chipset, you have the low-power variant of the BCM4312. You are required to use either the vendor driver (wl) or NDISwrapper at this time. Ask dpkg about wl or ndiswrapper (e.g. /msg dpkg wl).
22:23<leper>just work both 2.6.26
22:23<leper>thank you gsimmons
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22:26<leper>may ask something that don't have relation with support?
22:27<adb>go on, not to much traffic now and here
22:27<leper>are you normal users or staff of debian?
22:28<adb>me user
22:28<leper>you have know a lot of debian
22:29<leper>i do what dpkg said
22:29<leper>i have to restart?
22:29<adb>no, /msg dpkg enter
22:29<leper>but it told me that install a package
22:30<leper>i do it
22:30<leper>i did it
22:30<leper>now restart?
22:30<adb>what for ?
22:30<leper>cuz didn't appear anything
22:30<leper>for reconize the wl
22:31<leper>i fucked up lol xD!
22:31<leper>i installed for squeeze
22:31<adb>all done without any errors ?
22:31<leper>and i didn't upgrade the dist
22:31<leper>making mistakes we learn
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22:40<leper>nothing appears
22:40<leper>what happens if i use squeeze
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22:40<leper>is it so inestable?
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22:45<adb>no, but try at list to do a proper upgrade to squeeze
22:45<adb> /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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22:48<oigres>Is bzip2 still the best compression method in Debian?
22:49<war>can someone shot me some permissions so I can access (read/write) my ntfs from other users than root
22:49<leper>war use ntfs-3g
22:50<icebrain>leper: after "modprobing" wl, does dmesg say anything about it?
22:51<gsimmons>dpkg: tell war -about user accessible ntfs
22:52<icebrain>do lsmod and see if "ssb" is listed. If it is, remove it (modprobe -r ssb) and then remove and reinsert wl
22:52<war>thanks for yalls help i got it
22:52<war>very thankful!
22:53<adb>!win war
22:53<dpkg>Congratulations, war! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
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22:57<leper>it doesn't appear ssb icebrain
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22:58<icebrain>leper: what about b43?
22:59<leper>doen't appear too icebrain
22:59<gsimmons>icebrain: Had leper installed the vendor driver as advised by dpkg, both ssb and b43 are removed prior to adding wl in the kernel (courtesy /etc/modprobe.d/broadcom-sta-common.conf).
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23:01<icebrain>gsimmons: sorry, I wasn't sure, I installed it before it was available as a deb package
23:01<icebrain>leper: then I have no idea
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23:01<leper>me either
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23:03<leper>check here my lsmod
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23:06<icebrain>I think nothing could be interfering with it... but removing and reinserting wl should add some lines to the log available by dmesg
23:06<leper>i don't know how to do that
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23:07<icebrain>what? removing wl or checking the log?
23:07<leper>both =/
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23:08<icebrain>removing wl is just a matter of "modprobe -r wl" and then "modprobe wl".
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23:08<icebrain>to see the log just use the "dmesg" command
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23:09<leper>and what should i see on the log
23:09<icebrain>it should have the line "Broadcom BCM4315 802.11 Wireless Controller"
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23:09<icebrain>usually in the end, as you've just loaded the driver
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23:11<adb>leper, so use dmesg | tail
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23:14<leper>check it guys
23:15<icebrain>yes, it's loaded :)
23:15<icebrain>now, what network manager do you use?
23:15<adb>which one ?
23:16<icebrain>should be NetworkManager, I suppose, tough I'm more familiar with Wicd
23:16<leper>now it appears bye default on xfce
23:16<leper>and gnome
23:16<leper>for now
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23:17<leper>so install by the method of dpkg gave me
23:18<leper>and then make modeprobe -r and make modeprobe again
23:18<leper>and it works
23:18<adb>!win leper
23:18<dpkg>Congratulations, leper! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
23:18<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
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23:18<leper>thank you guys
23:19<leper>but now left the problem
23:19<leper>with the atiradeon
23:19<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI ( For chipsets prior to R600 (ie. models up to and including the X1950), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (recent chipsets, usually better 3D performance/features). See also <radeonhd>. #radeon on freenode.
23:19<adb>lspci -nn| grep VGA
23:20<leper>VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics] [1002:9612]
23:20<adb>judd, pciid 1002:9612
23:20<judd>adb: [1002:9612] is 'RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also
23:21<leper>judd is another bot?
23:21<judd>leper: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
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23:30<Iyunkateus>Iceweasel is broken or something, the Google Search bar and back/forward buttons won't work
23:30<Iyunkateus>oh wait never mind
23:30<Iyunkateus>meh, it was just because of the low disk space before
23:30<Iyunkateus>I think
23:31<Iyunkateus>stupid windows with your stupid whole hard drive partition I can't change
23:33<leper>PCI ID Works? Vendor Device Driver Kernel
23:33<leper>10029612 ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics]
23:33<leper>don't have drivers
23:33<leper>at least here appear nothing
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23:36<adb>leper, add in Section "Device" Driver "radeonhd" ; sure in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
23:37<adb>just for test
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23:38<adb>otherwise , try > X -configure:1 , and follows instructions
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23:40<Iyunkateus>Why might gdmflexiserver --xnest not be working?
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23:45<leper>01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics]
23:45<leper>is that a radeonhd
23:45<leper>or a simple radeon??
23:47<adb>say Radeon HD
23:47<adb>so put Driver "radeonhd" as said
23:47<sney>the answers are often right in front of you
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23:59<leper>thank you abd
23:59<adb>worked ?
23:59<leper>i'm on that
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23:59<leper>i was for a lilbit of ponche
23:59<leper>ponche is a drink with fruits
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