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---Logopened Sun Sep 20 00:00:51 2009
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00:10<vinicius>hi! im getting this error while trying to start a dhcp server "dhcpd3check syslog for diagnostics. ... failed!"
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00:13<heartbeats>how can i install python 3.1.1
00:14<heartbeats>how can i install python 3.1.1
00:14<heartbeats>no resopnce
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00:14<Shadow>Hey all, I'm stuck installing Debian 5.0 PPC on a Power Mac G3 (Kanga). I'm trying to boot from cd, but it just boots mac os 9
00:15<heartbeats>how can i install python 3.1.1
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00:15<Shadow>heartbeats: never repeat yourself. You wait until someone can help you
00:15<Shadow>It takes time, you know
00:15<Shadow>have you tried
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00:16<Shadow>oops, sorry, apt-get install python ?
00:16<heartbeats>ya tried
00:16<heartbeats>i downloaded the python -3.1.1.tgz form the python offical site
00:16<heartbeats>how can i install it
00:17<Shadow>you may also need to activate the unstable branch in your apt sources
00:18<heartbeats>how can u please explain iam a beginer
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00:19<Shadow>It's not for the faint hearted. And plus, I'm on my phone, so i can't really know what to do
00:20<Shadow>y do u need python 3.x ?
00:20<heartbeats>iam a final year engenering student
00:21<heartbeats>and i need to develop a software in python
00:21<Shadow>Alright, i'll help. Let me get on my mac mini
00:23<Shadow>do me a favor and go into terminal and type
00:23<Shadow>whereis sources.list
00:23<heartbeats>one second
00:24<heartbeats>i just palced the downloaded file in my desktop
00:24<heartbeats>i just opened the source file
00:24<Shadow>i know a easier way, just do that said command in terminal
00:25<heartbeats>cd /home/heartbeats/Desktop/Python-3.1.1.tgz
00:25<Shadow>one sec
00:26<Shadow>what user interface do you use?
00:26<heartbeats>i have no idea about user interface
00:26<heartbeats>any sujetion?
00:27<heartbeats>you mean idle
00:27<Shadow>kde, gnome?
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00:27<heartbeats>i think its kde
00:27<heartbeats>how can i find that
00:27<heartbeats>is it kde or gnome
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00:28<Shadow>sorry, phone drop out
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00:29<Shadow|MacMini>Alright, can you open Terminal?
00:29<heartbeats>its opend
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00:30<Shadow|MacMini>Can you do " cd / " without the quotes?
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00:31<Shadow|MacMini>now, you'll be in the root filesystem
00:32<Shadow|MacMini>do " cd /etc/apt "
00:32<Shadow|MacMini>so you're changing to the /etc/apt folder
00:32<heartbeats> ok
00:32<Shadow|MacMini>when you're ready, tell me
00:33<Shadow|MacMini>The next command you need to do is " nano sources.list "
00:33<Shadow|MacMini>what do you get?
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00:34<heartbeats>one second
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00:36<Shadow|MacMini>you should see some text with the words "deb" and such
00:36<heartbeats>i just done it
00:37<Shadow|MacMini>it's a mini text editor.
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00:38<Shadow|MacMini>so you have a screen if lines of text with deb and such?
00:38<heartbeats> one second
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00:38<krishmish>hi room
00:39<Shadow|MacMini>krishmish: hi, we'll help you shortly
00:40<Shadow|MacMini>Actually, heartbeats, just quit terminal and reopen it
00:40<Shadow|MacMini>I botched up somewhere while explaining it
00:40<heartbeats>i dont
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00:41<Shadow|MacMini>quit terminal and reopen it
00:41<Shadow|MacMini>tell me when doen
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00:42<Shadow|MacMini>krishmish: Did you need something
00:42<krishmish>Shadow|MacMini: thanx, waitinf
00:42<krishmish>Shadow|MacMini: yeah
00:42<krishmish>Shadow|MacMini: im running 8.10
00:42<krishmish>Shadow|MacMini: im unable to get voice in the box
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00:43<Shadow|MacMini>krishmish: voice in the box? You mean microphone?
00:43<krishmish>Shadow|MacMini: yeah
00:43<krishmish>Shadow|MacMini: in mic and speakers
00:43<Shadow|MacMini>Do you have sound at the moment?
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00:43<krishmish>Shadow|MacMini: no
00:44<Shadow|MacMini>I see!
00:44<Shadow|MacMini>go into a terminal and type the following
00:44<ml|>krishmish: on ubuntu?
00:44<krishmish>Shadow|MacMini: yeah
00:44<krishmish>ml| yes
00:44<Shadow|MacMini>apt-get install alsa
00:45<ml|>krishmish: ok, you should ask in #ubuntu on freenode not here
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00:45<krishmish>Shadow|MacMini: alsa says its alreADY Hthe newest version
00:46<Shadow|MacMini>Hmm... Is it a laptop or desktop?
00:46<krishmish>Shadow|MacMini: desktop
00:46<Shadow|MacMini>ml|: I hate to argue, but isn't ubuntu based on debian?
00:46<ml|>ubuntu is not supported here
00:46<ml|>dpkg: ubuntu
00:46<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
00:47<ml|>dpkg: based on debian
00:47<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
00:48<krishmish>Shadow|MacMini: u there?
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00:49<ml|>please ask in #ubuntu not here
00:50<krishmish>ml| whats up with u ???why are u getting so high a new nnie just asking for help
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00:50<krishmish>ml|: if it worries u ....i will quit
00:50<ml|>krishmish: because this is for debian support not ubuntu ask in their channel
00:51<krishmish>Shadow|MacMini: would u be kind wnough to log in to #debian-ubuntu???
00:51<ml|>krishmish: there are difference from debian so things may not work for you
00:51<krishmish>ml|: ok
00:51<Shadow|MacMini>krishmish: i'm there
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00:52<ml|>Shadow|MacMini: ubuntu is not support here for future reference
00:53<Shadow|MacMini>ml|: k thanks
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00:53<heartbeats>its ok
00:54<ml|>Shadow|MacMini: np, keep in mind that there are difference so whatever you tell a ubuntu user might not work like they do in debian
00:54<heartbeats>i installed
00:54<Shadow|MacMini>good work!
00:54<heartbeats>python 3.1.1
00:54<Shadow|MacMini>Now you know how to install it
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00:59<leper>can chat about other things that not be support?
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00:59<Shadow|MacMini>leper: If it's debian related, yes, I guess
01:00<Shadow|MacMini>hi bryan
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01:00<leper>hello shadow
01:00<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
01:00<leper>lol jajajaaj
01:00<leper>ok thank you ml
01:01<Shadow|MacMini>ml|: Don't know how to get a PowerPC Power Mac G3 booting off a cd?
01:01<Guest3081>does anyone know why i dont have nexuiz server on xchat
01:01<ml|>Shadow|MacMini: np, did you try asking in #debian-ppc
01:02<Shadow|MacMini>no, i didn't. Cheers!
01:02<ml|>good luck
01:02<Shadow|MacMini>That channel is empty.
01:02<ml|>is it aww
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01:03<ml|>Shadow|MacMini: keep asking here once in a while, you might get some help
01:03<Shadow|MacMini>At least I'm not like
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01:05<gsimmons>ml|, Shadow|MacMini: The channel name is #debianppc on this network and freenode.
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01:06<ml|>gsimmons: ah, that's right Shadow|MacMini sorry
01:10<Guest3080>How enable ipv6 module on 2.6.30 kernel?
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01:13<Shadow|MacMini>I'm tapped for help, that's all for now. May be back on later, cheers all!
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01:14<ehren>Has anyone ever encountered a problem where their ethernet goes down (perhaps the dhcp lease expires) after about a minute of being logged in? I've just found that if I unplug the ethernet cable from my card the internet goes back up but only for a minute?
01:15<ehren>Has anyone ever encountered a problem where their ethernet goes down (perhaps the dhcp lease expires) after about a minute of being logged in? I've just found that if I unplug the ethernet cable from my card the internet goes back up but only for a minute? (sry if this is a repost)
01:16<torocatala>is weird, one my debian server has a udp connection ehit himself
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01:19<torocatala>btw ¿is any channel fo sysadmins?
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01:21<ehren>I actually found a page that describes the problem exactly but I can't seem to find a solution:
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01:26<ehren>is it the nic card?
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01:28<sney>I've seen that in windows, where it shuts down the nic to "save power" while you're using it
01:28<sney>I didn't know linux was susceptible too
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01:31<ehren>the guy on that page syas he fixed it using "mii-diag, with -r option to resets autonegotiation," (with a cron job set to every minute) but I don't know what the equivalent of this command is on debian (I'm just literally plugging and unplugging every minute)
01:32<sney>hmm, if it's an autoneg issue you could just force it to use a specific speed and duplex
01:32<sney>ethtool can do that
01:33<ehren>I just found the mii-diag package. Can I do it with that?
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01:33<Guest3080>How enable ipv6 module on 2.6.30 kernel?
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01:36<ehren>sney: mii-diag -r works, but do you know how to force the autoneg?
01:36<sney>isn't it just ethtool -A eth0 autoneg off or something like that
01:36<sney>man ethtool will tell you for sure
01:37<sney>Guest3080: ipv6 is enabled by default
01:39<ehren>sney: ok, i'll check it out thanks
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01:41<marcOS>where can a get source.list for my squeeze/sid debian ¿?
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01:43<Guest3080>modprobe ipv6
01:43<Guest3080>FATAL: Module ipv6 not found
01:43<sney>that's because it's not a module
01:43<sney>it's built into the kernel and enabled by default
01:43<sney>if you ifconfig you will see inet6 addresses
01:43<sney>marcOS: squeeze or sid? which one?
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01:44<marcOS>/etc/debian_version says "squeeze/sid"
01:47<sney>marcOS: what does your current sources.list look like?
01:47<marcOS>sney, i installed from d-i
01:48<sney>if you used debian-installer and your debian_version says squeeze/sid, you probably used the netinst image, in which case /etc/apt/sources.list probably looks exactly like mine
01:49<sney>are you unable to update?
01:51<marcOS>i used netinst image
01:52<sney>the netinst installer sets up apt and sources.list as part of the install process
01:52<sney>if it can't do that, it fails and doesn't install
01:54<marcOS>i got wrong, i used d-i image becouse im using eeepc, after installing source.list was empty
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01:54<marcOS>after that i used my lenny desktop source.list
01:54<marcOS>but i had problems updating...
01:55<sney>here marcOS it should look like this
01:56<sney>replacing the ucalgary links with your mirror, of course
01:56<ehren>sney: when I run "ethtool -A eth0 autoneg off" I get "Cannot get device pause settings: Operation not supported"... Is it time for a new NIC?
01:57<sney>heh, it might. what do you have now?
01:57<ehren>02:09.0 Ethernet controller: Davicom Semiconductor, Inc. 21x4x DEC-Tulip compatible 10/100 Ethernet (rev 31)
01:57<sney>oof tulips
01:58<sney>yeah I mean if you can get a pro/100 or a 3com905 out of an old junk pc or something that would be an upgrade
01:58<ehren>yeah I think that's the same as the other guys card from that page too... looks like cron time
01:59<sney>yeah didn't the page say it was a bug in the tulip driver?
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02:00<lucifersam>question: how do i tell apt-get to install .deb packages that i've manually copied to the hard disk? (computer has no internet connection)
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02:00<sney>just dpkg -i them
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02:00<ehren>yeah I'm pretty sure
02:00<ehren>bloody danes
02:03<sney>marcOS: close. there is no squeeze section on volatile, leave that one lenny
02:03<marcOS>you say my source.list is not right ¿?
02:04<sney>yes, change in line 3: squeeze/volatile should be lenny/volatile
02:04<simonrvn>lucifersam: you don't. you use dpkg
02:04<marcOS>i can copy yours ¿?
02:05<sney>yes go ahead
02:05<lucifersam>got it
02:08<ehren>sry for another basic question but is this not the entry to run a cron job every 1 minute: ***** /usr/sbin/mii-diag -r
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02:27<ehren>Can anyone help with my cron job? "* * * * * /usr/sbin/mii-diag -r" should run every minute but as far as I can tell it doesn't run at all (I'm running crontab -e as root btw)
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02:30<ehren>could it be a permission issue with the command?
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02:35<heartbeats>i need idle for python 3.1.1
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02:37<heartbeats>i need idle for python 3.1.1
02:38<heartbeats>any body know how to install idle for python 3.1.1
02:38<ehren>sney: thanks for your help before... the cron thing now works btw
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02:39<heartbeats>any body know how to install idle for python 3.1.1
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02:44<heartbeats>any body know how to install idle for python 3.1.1
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03:00<simonrvn>!lart heartbeats for repeated repeating
03:00*dpkg whips out a sword and chops heartbeats in half for repeated repeating
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03:11<s4br3>Hi, I have a binary which is compiled for pvm on Linux 64-bit. Now I try to set it up for my single Intel 4 core cpu machine with Debian Sid. However, the pvm manual lists other paths than Debian uses. Does anyone know which paths i should use?
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03:14<ajavid>Eid Mubarak
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03:15<CupofJoe>Whats up
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03:18<brunner>what's a good tool for automatically creating hashes of important system files and then checking them on a regular basis to see if they've changed?
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03:19<jmarsden>brunner: aide
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03:35<brunner>jmarsden: thanks. is tripwire any good? or, is it similar?
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03:44<prabaharan_india>i want a best bash beginners book
03:44<prabaharan_india>hi kardan
03:44<KardanAdam>hi :)
03:44<s4br3>prabaharan_india, !Google
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03:45<prabaharan_india>i need a book
03:45<prabaharan_india>on bash basics
03:45<s4br3>still sounds like Google
03:45<Gathond> got a few good guides from basic to advanced
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03:47<KardanAdam>i have a questionmark in my mind
03:48<KardanAdam>about fstab
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03:49<KardanAdam>when i used /dev/hda /media/xxx kind of mount, it doesnt give write access to my fat partitions
03:49<KardanAdam>then i read somewhere.. i used some numbers
03:50<KardanAdam>UUID 's
03:50<KardanAdam>for the path of the device..
03:50<Gathond>UID and GID most likely yes
03:50<prabaharan_india>but i have mounted as auto its working fine
03:51<KardanAdam>and my question is why.. :) sorry for my eng.
03:51<KardanAdam>/dev/hdx is more easy
03:51<Gathond>because FAT does not support the notion of access permisions
03:52<Gathond>and unix has that as the core, so you can set the UID/GID you wan't to have access to the fat drive and the kernel will emulate those for every file on that partition
03:52<Gathond>and the default is that only root (well the user who mounted it I think) has access
03:53<KardanAdam>that is UID= User ID and GID=Group ID is that true?
03:53<KardanAdam>and you use it for permission masking right?
03:54<KardanAdam>at the third column..
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03:54<Gathond>fourth column
03:54<KardanAdam>okay.. not the first one
03:54<Gathond>the third is the filesystem type
03:55<KardanAdam>my UUID is the first column
03:55<KardanAdam>something like defining the partition/drive
03:55<Gathond>/dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt/smartcard vfat user,noauto,uid=1000 0 0, something alogn those lines
03:55<Gathond>device mountpoint filesystem options
03:55<KardanAdam>let me give you an example
03:56<KardanAdam>UUID=49BD-291C /media/IBM vfat iocharset=utf8,umask=000 0 0
03:56<KardanAdam>that works
03:56<Gathond>same thing
03:57<Gathond>the UUID is just device ID, same as the /dev one in my line
03:57<Gathond>the uid, gid should go in the comma seperated list of options
03:57<Gathond>after umask
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03:58<KardanAdam>and my question is.. when i use /dev/hdc etc. for the partition it gives no write permission
03:59<KardanAdam>but when i use UUID substitute for /dev/hdc. etc. it works.. interesting
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03:59<KardanAdam>they should both work
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03:59<Gathond>the UUID may include some additional information somewhere
03:59<Gathond>I've never used those ID*s but you may be able to specify default for them
04:02<KardanAdam>thanks man
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04:08<bombadil_>i have compiled a new kernel and successfully installed it. however i think i need to make a ramdisk for it and point to it in boot/grub/menu.lst
04:09<bombadil_>i built the kernel with initrd ram disk support and with --initrd
04:09<bombadil_>i'm not sure how to make a new ram disk though. do i need to be booted with the new kernel to be able to make a ramdisk for that kernel?
04:09<bombadil_>currently it does not boot
04:10<bombadil_>it gets a kernel panic and says "unable to mount root fs on unknown-block"
04:13<locklace>read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/
04:14<locklace>alternatively, compile in the disk and fs drivers you need for your root fs, rather than configuring them as modules. then you don't need an initrd at all
04:15<bombadil_>i tried that. i've tried compiling about 6 different kernel modifications. i tried it with initrd off, and it gave me the same error.
04:16<bombadil_>as far as i can tell, all of the necessary modules are being hardcoded into the kernel
04:16<locklace>your root fs isn't encrypted or in lvm, is it
04:16<bombadil_>the only thing i am unsure of are the SATA AHCI drivers. for some reason they can only be put in as a module
04:16<locklace>or on sw raid
04:17<bombadil_>no sw raid, not encrypted
04:17<bombadil_>what is lvm?
04:17<bombadil_>i don't think i used lvm, i manually partitioned and i don't think it was an option
04:18<locklace>you can definitely set CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y
04:19<xeon-enouf>bombadil_: read the docs as mentioned, and look for (newer) /etc/kernel/ dir files
04:19<locklace>if it doesn't let you, it means something else it depends on is set =m instead of =y
04:19<bombadil_>locklace: ok thank you, i will go look try again
04:19<bombadil_>xeon-enouf: thanks as well
04:20<xeon-enouf>bombadil_: i bet no initrd is generated, hence same error witbh/without options
04:20<xeon-enouf>bombadil_: i bet no initrd is generated, (upon dpkg -i linux-image-custom.deb)
04:21<bombadil_>xeon-enouf: i set "initial RAM filesystems and RAM disk" to y, and i built with --initrd
04:21<xeon-enouf>you might be able to create one using mkinitramfs or so
04:21<xeon-enouf>bombadil_: i caught all that, but things have changed in newer kernel-package versions
04:21<bombadil_>should the initrd image be created automatically at some point?
04:22<xeon-enouf>yes, but read what i said to ;-)
04:22<bombadil_>i see
04:22<bombadil_>ok, thanks :)
04:22<xeon-enouf>bombadil_: it's auto-generated upon installation of resultant build .deb
04:22<locklace>i don't use initrd and have ahci disks. the only =y options i need are CONFIG_ATA=y, CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y, CONFIG_SCSI=y, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y,
04:23<xeon-enouf>bombadil_: and locklace offers an alternative to using no initrd
04:23<bombadil_>decisions decisions !
04:23<locklace>and CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y
04:23<xeon-enouf>right - don;t forget your rootfs module ;-)
04:24<locklace>the whole initrd thing is a horrible, ugly hack
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04:24<xeon-enouf>locklace: it's the only reaonable way to distribute to many various hardware types
04:26<locklace>no, it's just the only way people have come up with yet
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04:29<bombadil_>i've decided to go locklace's route and abandon initrd
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04:30<bombadil_>is there a way to edit the conf file in vi or nano, as opposed to menuconfig or xconfig
04:30<bombadil_>if so where is it located
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04:30<bombadil_>(i want to search for the values listed above)
04:31<locklace>just hit / in the menuconfig
04:31<bombadil_>ah ok thx
04:32<locklace>the file itself is just called .config, so you're free to edit it by hand, giving you maximum ability to shoot yourself in the foot
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04:35<bombadil_>maximum danger ftw
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04:38<bombadil_>menuconfig says that ahci depends on PCI && ATA
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04:40<MTM>im running debian 5.03 and im trying to download a file from SSL secured URL (https) but I get an error which says that debian cant verify URLs SSL certificate. How can I get pass that? I know that the URL is safe
04:40<mjt>MTM: how about man wget?
04:41<bombadil_>my config_ata=m !!!
04:41<bombadil_>there it is
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04:42<bombadil_>locklace: where is CONFIG_ATA in menuconfig?
04:42<mjt>MTM: btw, ssl certificate verification is not about safety of the site, but about if it is the site it claims to be and not some man-in-the-middle
04:42<mjt>it has nothing to do with safety
04:43<bombadil_>nevermind got it. ok AHCI enabled!
04:43<mjt>bombadil_: kernel build system has search
04:44<mjt>hit / in menuconfig or equivalent in xconfig
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04:46<Barami>Hello :)
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04:48<Barami>Plz teach me, Where can i find "ctrl + alt+ backspace" config in gdm?
04:48<Barami>In testing, that keys are not work. How know this?
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04:49<mjt>Barami: it's xorg.conf option
04:50<Barami>mjt, yeah, i know, but that's not work at gdm..
04:51<mjt>sure an xorg.conf option does not work in gdm
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04:51<Barami>When login into X, it works, but before login, this keys are not work.
04:51<Barami>Then i want to find config at gdm.
04:52<Barami>I searching by google, but all solution targeted X. not gdm..
04:54<mjt>because it's xorg.conf option, not gdm option
04:54<mjt>but you said you know that
04:54<mjt>so problem solved
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04:54<Barami>When booting with monitor off, and i turn on monitor..
04:55<Barami>gdm's resolution is too low.
04:55<Barami>but after restart X, resolution fixed correctly.
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04:55<mjt>when x starts it asks the monitor which resolution it supports. If there's no monitor X chooses some low resolution, just to pick something
04:56<mjt>so it works as expected
04:56<Barami>i know. then i usually press ctrl + alt + backspace..
04:56<Barami>but after i distribution upgraded, this macro is not work.
04:57<mjt>for the 4rd time: you have to edit your xorg.conf, damn it!
04:57<Barami>I added Option "DontZap" "off"..
04:58<Barami>but it's not work in gdm...
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04:58<majhool>Barami: does it work after you
04:58<majhool>Barami: 've logged in?
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05:00<Barami>before this configuration, i checked use this key macro at gnome keyboard config.
05:00<Barami>So after i logged in, i can restart X by keys..
05:00<Barami>But gdm is not allow keys.
05:00<mjt>in order to work in gdm you have to enable it in xorg.conf. That's the only way
05:01<mjt>if your DontZap does not work - see where you placed it
05:01<Barami>I placed ServerFlags section.
05:01<Barami>I saw this post.
05:01<mjt>yes, if DontZap is enabled (default in testing) it does not work anymore, but you can bind to that key combination in gnome
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05:03<Barami>mjt, I use that bind.. So i restart X after logged in.
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05:03<Barami>But i want to restart gdm before login.
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05:04<majhool>Barami: may i ask why?
05:04<mjt>if it does not work before gnome binding starts working, it means your xorg does not pick that option from xorg.conf
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05:04<mjt>majhool: he alredy explained that :)
05:04<Barami>i explained..
05:04<Barami><Barami> When booting with monitor off, and i turn on monitor..
05:04<Barami><Barami> gdm's resolution is too low.
05:04<Barami><Barami> but after restart X, resolution fixed correctly.
05:04<majhool>and now i'm on board
05:05<bombadil_>GAH the new kernel still will not work ! exact same error !!!
05:05<mjt>btw, is there a more accurate way to restart gdm?
05:05<mjt>bombadil_: which error?
05:05<majhool>/etc/init.d/gdm restart
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05:05<majhool>from a vt
05:05<bombadil_>"Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
05:06<majhool>Barami: could you pastebin your xorg.conf?
05:06<mjt>bombadil_: and which fs it tries to mount?
05:06<cahoot>why not use a debian kernel?
05:06<bombadil_>"Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83"
05:06<majhool>Barami: be sure to use
05:06<majhool>Barami: don't paste it into the channel
05:06<bombadil_>what's weird is that all of my partitions are formatted ext3.... and on top of that ext2 modules are hardcoded into the kernel
05:06<mjt>Barami: seriously, check your Xorg.log too - it's just your xorg does not pick it up
05:07<mjt>bombadil_: which device you want it to mount?
05:07<bombadil_>sda1 /root
05:07<bombadil_>this is a boot kernel panic
05:08<mjt>bombadil_: it can't find your sda
05:08<bombadil_>that is what i thought, so i enabled AHCI SATA drivers
05:08<bombadil_>still won't work
05:08<mjt>did you enable sd?
05:08<bombadil_>what is sd?
05:08<mjt>just in case... ;)
05:08<mjt>scsi disk
05:08<bombadil_>i'll check
05:08<bombadil_>this is a netbook, btw
05:09<mjt>unknonwn-block means the kernel does not know what's sda
05:09<majhool>Barami: you might try switching: Option "DontZap" "off" to: Option "DontZap" "false"
05:09<majhool>Barami: also, you might consider specifying the monitor resolution in Section "Screen"
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05:09<mjt>bombadil_: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD
05:10<bombadil_>scsi disk was set to "m"
05:10<bombadil_>i have set it to y
05:10<majhool>Barami: because i think X will then drive that resolution even if the monitor's turned off
05:10<bombadil_>i am going to recompile now, is there anything else i should check/add first?
05:10<mjt>alot of options
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05:10<gland>somebody wants to help me for install a new gigabit ethernet card on a debian ? :'
05:11<Barami>i used nvidia-xconfig's default xorg configuration..
05:11<mjt>Barami: sure by default they don't hardcode resolution
05:11<majhool>Barami: right -- how would they know what resolution your screen runs at?
05:11<mjt>Barami: but in your case, with your problem (forgetting to turn on monitor) it's a good thing to do.
05:11<bombadil_>would there be any drawback to just compiling *everything* into the kernel?
05:12<mjt>bombadil_: it will be just tooo large :)
05:12<bombadil_>will it slow down my computer?
05:12<mjt>there are some (practical and technical) limits
05:12<Barami>then i'll trry to edit and reboot.
05:12<majhool>you'll get a lot of spurious log output
05:12<Barami>try .;
05:12<majhool>Barami: you don't have to reboot
05:12<Barami>Ah, restart X
05:12<mjt>Barami: also don't forget to specify dpi or monitor size
05:13<majhool>is there still a dpkg frontend for xorg.conf configuration?
05:13<mjt>Barami: you can see Xorg.log for the values for that
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05:14<majhool>bombadil_: you'll find that certain kernel modules prevent others from being enabled
05:14<majhool>bombadil_: in ways you don't expect. so it's best to use the scientific method
05:14<amol123>hi to all,i have compiled kernel and after installation getting error as can't open /scripts/function
05:15<bombadil_>majhool, mjt: is there any way to look and see what modules are in the kernel which is currently working fine ?
05:15<mjt>but you don't need these
05:15<mjt>you only need your boot device in kernel
05:15<mjt>(or initramfs, which is easier in many cases)
05:15<majhool>bombadil_: if it's a debian kernel, you can inspect its config file should be in /boot
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05:16<MTM>man wget tells me to use --no-check-certificate to get pass the SSL certificate verifying.
05:16<amol123>majhool, /scripts/function is avaialable initrd then also not able to open wile booting so getting panic
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05:19<majhool>amol123: will the computer not boot at all?
05:20<bombadil_>if i do not run fakeroot make-kpkg clean between kernel compilings will subsequent compilings be broken or affected somehow?
05:20<amol123>majhool, it boots for old kernel but for compiled kernel it not boots atall
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05:23<majhool>amol123: ok, how did you install the new kernel
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05:23<amol123>majhool, dpkg -i linux-image
05:24<amol123>with version.deb
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05:25<Barami>Hello :)
05:26<Barami>hm... i failed..
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05:26<bombadil_>ok holy crap i got it to work !!!
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05:26<bombadil_>i just had to load the specific intel SATA drivers
05:26<Barami>i guess my problem cause by keyboard layout..
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05:27<Barami>I don't use standard keyboard layout.
05:27<majhool>amol123: so you ran make-kpkg to get the .deb?
05:27<bombadil_>the whole reason i did this was because i needed the ethernet drivers in the newer kernel
05:27<bombadil_>now i need to figure out how to activate my ethernet. when i got to system > administration > network settings it lists my ethernet and wireless
05:27<bombadil_>when i enable them, they do not stay enabled
05:27<bombadil_>please help
05:29<Barami>bombadil_, Did you added network adapter?
05:29<bombadil_>what do you mean ?
05:29<Barami>I don't know your status..
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05:30<bombadil_>it is a netbook
05:30<Barami>Okay. CAn you show me your ifconfig output?
05:31<bombadil_>asus 1005ha -- the ethernet drivers are in the 2.6.31 kernel
05:31<Barami>No, ifconfig output.
05:31<bombadil_>i can't past it
05:31<Barami>In console, you can typing 'ifconfig -a'
05:32<Barami>Not X?
05:32<bombadil_>it's not connected to the internet
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05:32<bombadil_>i'm on a different computer
05:32<bombadil_>but yes i see the output
05:33<bombadil_>there is eth0, lo, and wlan0
05:34<bombadil_>is there some method of initializing eth0 ?
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05:34<Barami>Will you use eth0 to connect internet?
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05:34<bombadil_>i want to
05:34<majhool>Barami: you said you failed... do you mean gdm still can't be killed w/ctrl alt backspace?
05:34<cahoot>put a stanza for eth0 in interfaces and restart networking?
05:35<bombadil_>cahoot: what does that mean exactly? sorry i don't know what stanza means
05:35<Barami>majhool, yea, also i unchecked key sequential at gnome keyboard-config.
05:35<cahoot>man 5 interfaces
05:35<majhool>bombadil_: open up /etc/network/interfaces and see what pertains to eth0
05:35<majhool>heh, or read the man page. it's pretty good
05:36<Barami>Then, when after i logged in, i can't restart X.
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05:36<majhool>Barami: did you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any information on DontZap?
05:37<Barami>Ah. wait.
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05:37<cahoot>In poetry, a stanza is a unit within a larger poem. In modern poetry, the term is often equivalent with strophe
05:37<Barami>I 'll check.
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05:37<mjt>Barami: two times already i asked you for that :)
05:37<Barami>sorry :)
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05:37<majhool>heh, depends on the meter and style
05:38<cahoot>Strophe (pronounced /ˈstroʊfiː/; Greek στροφή, turn, bend, twist, see also phrase) is a concept in versification
05:38<bombadil_>ok i added eth0 to auto
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05:38<majhool>bombadil_: you also need to tell it to pull down a dhcp address
05:39<majhool>that would be the stanza cahoot was referring to
05:39<Barami>majhool, No errors about DontZap in log.
05:40<majhool>though i'd say it's the antistrophe to the auto strophe
05:40<Barami>I only see this sentense.. (**) Option "DontZap" "false"
05:40<cahoot>entry/section/a few lines
05:41<bombadil_>iface eth0 inet dhcp ?
05:41<bombadil_>would that be the stanza ?
05:41<Barami>I think the prolem is xkb related..
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05:42<Barami>i don't use standard keyboard.
05:42<majhool>bombadil_: yep
05:42<Barami>i using i-rocks semi mini keyboard
05:43<majhool>Barami: well, maybe try setting the keyboard mab with setxbmap in your .xinitrc
05:43<Barami>That's mine.
05:44<majhool>Barami: also, consider solving the basic problem which is that X doesn't know your monitor's resolution before its turned on
05:44<bombadil_>ok thanks for your help everyone. i just added that stuff to /network/interfaces. rebooting now ;)
05:44<majhool>Barami: by entering the resolution in xorg.conf
05:44<majhool>bombadil_: wait dude
05:44<majhool>bombadil_: just do ifup eth0
05:44<majhool>as root
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05:44<Barami>I can't select correct keyboard map because in keyboard not present in list.
05:45<majhool>Barami: xmodmap, then
05:45<Barami>majhool, Yeah, i solved resolution problem,
05:45<mjt>xmodmap wont work before login
05:45<mjt>.xinitrc even
05:45<majhool>blerg, even if it's in .xinitrc?
05:45<mjt>before login there's no $HOME
05:45<mjt>so no ~/
05:45<majhool>well that's a good point
05:46<mjt>but i don't know if gdm can run some script
05:46<mjt>before login that is
05:46<mjt>it definitely can but i don't know how :)
05:46<majhool>hah, that would be my response too
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05:46<bombadil_>majhool: ok, it says that eth0 is already configured (after a reboot)
05:46<bombadil_>however there is no network connectivity
05:47<mjt>bombadil_: is it getting ip address?
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05:47<Barami>bombadil_, dhclient not work?
05:47<majhool>bombadil_: dmesg | grep eth0 && /sbin/ifconfig eth0
05:48<bombadil_>ok good news i can ping my router !
05:48<majhool>bombadil_: if you should see something about the link being up and then see a line like inet addr:
05:48<majhool>oh, ok
05:48<MTM>Sorry to bother once again for this but I'm still having troubles using wget to get files from SSL secured URL. I can accept the certificate using wget --no-check-certificate [URL] but now it doesn't start to download it seems to get just a part of the file
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05:48<dpkg>giacinto_: VATTENE VIA
05:49<bombadil_>majhool : omg it works ! google loads !
05:49<bombadil_>thanks so much !!!
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05:49<bombadil_>i have spent about 40 hours on this :D :D
05:49<majhool>hey, it was the channel
05:49<giacinto_>che bella accoglienza degna di linux
05:49<bombadil_>but i'm not done quite yet
05:49<bombadil_>there is still a mystery !
05:50<bombadil_>now to set up my wireless :D
05:50<cahoot>bombadil_: you might try #debian-eepc
05:50<bombadil_>cahoot: they told me to come here haha
05:50<MTM>Sorry to bother once again for this but I'm still having troubles using wget to get files from SSL secured URL. I can accept the certificate using wget --no-check-certificate [URL] but now it doesn't start to download it seems to get just a part of the file (16K to be exact). the file is about 460MB.
05:51<cahoot>bombadil_: ok - for wlan I'd suggest wicd
05:52<Barami>wicd or networkmanager is good for wlan.
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05:54<bombadil_>cahoot, anyone else: debian seems to think wlan0 is "ethernet"
05:54<bombadil_>any ideas?
05:54<mjt>but it is
05:55<bombadil_>ok good
05:55<mjt>it looks to the system like ethernet
05:55<cahoot>ifconfig -a lists a wlan0?
05:55<bombadil_>what is wicd?
05:55<bombadil_>cahoot: yes
05:55<cahoot>aptitude show wicd
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05:56<bombadil_>"unable to located package wicd"
05:56<Barami>bombadil_, wicd or NetworkManager is network management tool for wire and wireless network.
05:56<cahoot>hmm - lenny?
05:57<streuner>judd, versions wicd
05:57<judd>streuner: wicd -- sid: 1.5.2-1 sid: 1.5.9-1 lenny-backports: 1.5.9-5~bpo50+1 sid: squeeze:
05:57<bombadil_>im on lenny stable, that's the reason :)
05:57<bombadil_>but with kernel 2.6.31 lol
05:57<Barami>It can auto refresh ip after your ip changed.
05:58<bombadil_>is network manager the app located in system > administration > network manager
05:58<bombadil_>i mean *network
05:58<bombadil_> ?
05:58<bombadil_>because that app sucks... it doesn't even detect the live ethernet connection
05:59<cahoot>bombadil_: bite the bullet an just use wpa_supplicant then
05:59<majhool>roaming is whack on wpa_supplicant
05:59<jrabbit>network mnager is notoriously terrible
05:59<jrabbit>Worst gnome app EVER
05:59<Barami>jrabbit, Why?
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06:00<bombadil_>haha agreed.
06:00<Barami>i'm using network manager.
06:00<jrabbit>Barami: you've never used it have you?
06:00<jrabbit>Oh really
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06:00<cahoot>bombadil_: or enable backports and get wicd
06:00<cahoot>!tel bombadil_ about backports
06:01<cahoot>!tell bombadil_ about backports
06:01*themill hugs network manager
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06:02<mjt>.!tell #debian about backports :)
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06:02<bombadil_>thanks all
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06:03<jrabbit>Barami: nonsequitir
06:03<Barami>i can't understand your said.
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06:04<cahoot>illusion, misconception
06:04<Barami>i'm korean then sometimes i can't understand difficult words.
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06:05<themill>Especially when they're in latin and misspelled.
06:06<cahoot>google figured it out nevertheless
06:06<weasel>themill: and mis-spaced.
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06:07<bombadil_>how can i disable dhcp request / discover on boot?
06:08<bombadil_>it is taking forever to boot now
06:08<dr|z3d>Barami: a "non sequitur" is a follow up statement in a conversation that bears no relationship to the statement that precedes it. In essence.
06:08<MTM>Is there anyone who has installed VMware on their debian online?
06:08<dr|z3d>What you might call on IRC a "wtf?" moment.
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06:09<weasel>it just means "that doesn't follow (logically from the previous statements)"
06:09<Barami>bombadil_, you can remove eth0 from auto and can add allow-hotplug..
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06:10<dr|z3d>"I like oranges" - "My car is green."
06:10<bombadil_>thanks barami, just did that :-)
06:10<Barami>dr|z3d, I understand. thanks.
06:10<bombadil_>what about wlan0? i am guessing hotplug does not apply
06:11<Barami>use wicd..
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06:13<Barami>it's wicd screenshot. you can connect easily to wireless by wicd.
06:13<bombadil_>nice ty
06:14*weasel hugs wicd
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06:14<intero>i'm having a problem with X. basically, i can't type any char which is produced by a altgr+key combination. it's like altgr is not working even though xev detects it. any idea?
06:14<weasel>intero: wrong keyboard layout loaded?
06:15<intero>weasel: Option "XkbLayout" "it"
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06:15<weasel>I'm sure there are a ton of variants. and gnome/kde/etc overwrite it all again.
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06:17<intero>weasel: prolly. but i get all the accents and stuff right. any idea what i should look? btw, is there any xorg package that lets you select a special key (i dont really remember the name of) and you can chose something between ctrl, alt and so on
06:17<intero>my feeling is that i selected altgr while i shouldnt
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06:21<cahoot>intero: is this lenny or squeeze?
06:21<bombadil_>any idea why wicd instantly quits?
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06:22<intero>cahoot: sid
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06:23<cahoot>intero: for some (unclear to me) reason altgr and all other keys work just fine here (swedish kb) witjout any xorg.conf at all
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06:24<intero>cahoot: nice :) they work fine here too, in console before starting x
06:24<bombadil_>barami: wicd starts then the window instantly closes :(
06:25<Barami>i don't know wicd in detail.
06:25<Barami>i'm still using network manager.
06:26<Barami>i plan to change network manager and wicd.
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06:34<intero>i see this in xorg.log: Option "xkb_options" "lv3:lwin_switch,compose:ralt" how can i change that ralt thing?
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06:37<intero>cahoot: thanks
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06:38<cahoot>intero: looks to me it's /etc/default/console-setup to edit
06:38<mjt>cahoot: is it in lenny? :)
06:38<mjt>(but oh, lenny's xorg can't do that anyway...)
06:39<cahoot>he declared sid
06:39<mjt>yeah got it
06:40<intero>cahoot: thanks, it looks like that. i'm trying to comment that out
06:41<mjt>(which all reminds me that extra buttons on all my mouses still does not work)
06:42<cahoot> I've trouble mastering three
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06:47<intero>cahoot: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup was the package i configured wrong and now should be fine
06:47<intero>thanks alot
06:47<intero>i'll try a few restarts now :)
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06:57<intero>cahoot: works good now =) ta
06:59<cahoot>intero: nice
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07:42<morenomg>bom dia
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07:43<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
07:43<morenomg>alguma gata na sala?
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08:18<six>hi, someone help me, please. How can i change my password ?
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08:19<Yoda-BZH>six using passwd
08:19<six>in a terminal ?
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08:20<six>ok , many thanks, i worked
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08:23<ramses>hi all
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08:25<ramses>I have a strange problem with apt-get update in sid. It hangs if there are more than 7 sources in the sources.list, and after the hang, the DNS resolution is extremely slow for about 5 minutes. What could that be?
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08:33<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get or aptitude? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Cache-Limit "12582912"; If that file doesn't exist, create it, or put the line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ If you still get the same error, increase the value. Alternatively, delete entries within /etc/apt/sources.list that you don't actually need.
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08:53<ramses>cahoot: Cache-Limit doesn't solve the problem
08:53<ramses>it's really strange
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09:02<abrotman>ramses: proxy?
09:02<ramses>abrotman: no, I don't use any
09:03<abrotman>not yours .. the ISP's
09:03<ramses>hm, I don't know
09:04<ramses>but you are right, if I use a VPN, the problem doesn't occur
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09:06<vinicius>ive been trying to serve a ppp connection through wireless using dnsmasq and iptables... the client computer can already see the wireless network created, but it keeps trying to connect forever
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09:11<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at . The ipmasq package was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #538384.
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09:16<vinicius>abrotman, and what about dnsmasq?
09:17<abrotman>for what?
09:18<vinicius>if iptables was removed from lenny
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09:19<abrotman>it hasn't been
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09:19<vinicius>i dont have it here
09:19<vinicius>im on sid
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09:20<abrotman>so you uninstalled iptables ?
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09:20<abrotman>judd: versions iptables
09:20<judd>abrotman: iptables -- etch: lenny: 1.4.2-6 sid: 1.4.4-2 squeeze: 1.4.4-2
09:21<vinicius>sorry... not iptables
09:21<grml_>slim and rungetty problems
09:21<grml_>anyone help?
09:22<themill>judd versions ipmasq
09:22<judd>themill: ipmasq -- etch: 4.0.8-2 lenny: 4.0.8-7 sid: 4.0.8-7
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09:23<vinicius>vinicius:/home/vinicius# apt-cache search ipmasq
09:24<mjt>ipmasq is in base lenny repository
09:24<themill>hmm... judd has dodgy data there.
09:24<themill>!dbugs 538384
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09:24<dpkg>DONE:#538384:N[] RM: ipmasq -- RoM (); Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:27:01 UTC []
09:24<mjt>how it'd "dodgy"?
09:25<mjt>4.0.8-7 in lenny and in sid that's right. Dunno about etch
09:25<themill>mjt: judd has some data for "sid" in there that is wrong.
09:25<vinicius>im not quite sure if the problem here is with dnsmasq or iptables
09:26<mjt>vinicius: which problem?
09:26<mjt>themill: aha i see now: ipmasq is not in sid
09:26*themill looks at stew
09:26<vinicius>mjt, im trying to serve a ppp0 connection throught wlan0 using dnsmasq and iptables
09:27<vinicius>mjt, the client computer sees the network, but it fails to get an ip from it
09:27<mjt>vinicius: it wasn't clear if you're talking about your network thing or about judd having strange data about ipmasq
09:27<vinicius>mjt, abrotman recommended me ipmasq
09:27<abrotman>apparently been removed ..
09:27<vinicius>mjt, but as im on sid, i dont have it
09:28<mjt>i can read the scrollback just fine
09:28<vinicius>mjt, wel... so why is not clear?
09:28<mjt>i already answered that
09:28<vinicius>mjt, np
09:29<themill>RIP ipmasq... that's quite a shame.
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09:30<abrotman>we should find the maintainer and make him take it back!
09:30<vinicius>so maybe someone can help me figure out whats happening here
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09:38<Gun_Smoke>Anyone using fastmails service with Debian fetchmail etc?
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10:02<handjob>Good afternoon gentleman. There is a bug in wine that forces me to close xfce4-panel and the problem is how do i bring it back?
10:03<pfix>handjob: try in a terminal something like: xfce4-panel --restart &
10:04<handjob>Ah i forgot about '&'. Thank you pfix.
10:04<pfix>handjob: that character gets you the command prompt back and executes the command before that in the background
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10:05<pfix>quite handy feature in other situations aswell
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10:06<InkBottle>Hi, Nautilus setting just doesn't wok (silently doesn't do anything)
10:06<handjob>pfix, You got me wrong - i forgot about "&" and how useful it is. However the problem is if i close terminal i which i started the panel...
10:06<abrotman>handjob: it should keep running ..
10:06<pfix>oh :)
10:07<handjob>abrotman, I just checked - it does not.
10:07<abrotman>handjob: create a desktop launcher ?
10:08<handjob>abrotman, This may be the only way. Thx.
10:08<abrotman>or use nohup
10:08<themill>or disown
10:09<pfix>nicer would be if upstream fixed his bug :P
10:09<abrotman>in wine?
10:09<abrotman>patches welcome?
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10:09<handjob>Thank you all.
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10:19<xeon-enouf>08:17 < locklace> no, it's just the only way people have come up with yet <-- no, there are other ways, but they (DDs, or whomever sets policy) chose not to distribute (big bloated) kernels that have all config options '=y' :-) ..and, have you seen/heard of dracut?
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10:25<MTM>Is there anyone who has installed VMware on their debian online?
10:25<MTM>VMware server
10:28<erKURITA>I once did
10:29<erKURITA>but the hazzle of recompiling the modules each time I changed the kernel was enough to make me stop using it
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10:35<MTM>erKURITA what program do you now use for virtualisation
10:35<erKURITA>none. I don't really have the need to. But if I had to, probably VirtualBox
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10:37<mjt>kvm is quite promising.
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10:38<MTM>It's almost embarassing why I cant use VMware... I cant download the packages Im trying wget --no-check-certificate [URL] command but I cant download more than 16k of the package. Im sure im doing something wrong but what?
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10:38<mjt>maybe use your browser for d/load?
10:39<mjt>MTM: you had this issue about 8 hours ago, no? :)
10:39<MTM>yes and still having it
10:39<mjt>i'd already tried something else, some other method...
10:39<iccy>lynx or something
10:39<MTM>ive tried =) believe me
10:39<iccy>you're downloading from
10:40<mjt>MTM: does your CPU support virtualisation?
10:40<mjt>in that case, try kvm
10:40<mjt>already in debian
10:41<MTM>Im working in sales in our company and im trying to learn more about VMware (what we are selling to our clients), thats why im trying to get it work
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10:42<mjt>well, in that case i'd find out why it's not downloading :)
10:43<MTM>Yeah tried for 8 hours noe
10:43<mjt>just out of curiocity: what are you downloading?
10:44<abrotman>MTM: it's not really pointing at the tar.gz
10:44<mjt>have an url handy?
10:44<mjt>abrotman: they've debs last time i looked
10:45<abrotman>still doesn't mean it's a direct link
10:45<mjt>they require registration (and i did register but lost my identify long time ago - they're still spamming me ;). After which they point to some unique (tagged) https url
10:46<iccy>ya if it downloads 16k and quits, you're copying the wrong download link
10:47<iccy>if it starts downloading, gets 16k in and stalls, then thats different
10:47<iccy>i'd do it in lynx or something
10:47<mjt>well, i've seen crappy servers that crashes in the middle
10:47<mjt>so it quits (with error)
10:48<MTM>I tried to upload it to my LAN fileserver and then download from there but even that didnt help
10:48<mjt>heh. don't rememeer my email i used for registration, and don't have any of their spam handy to check :)
10:49<mjt>MTM: that sounds like your network problem
10:49<MTM>In both cases it says that it can download the 16k
10:49<mjt>"can" ?
10:49<iccy>whats the name of the file that wget downloaded
10:50<MTM>iccy: VMware-server-2.0.1-156745.x86_64.tar.gz
10:50<iccy>have you tried downloading it with something other than wget yet
10:50<iccy>i assume you're using wget because you dont have X on this server
10:51<MTM>im using wget becouse im a newbie and I dont know anything else ;)
10:51<iccy>whats the wget command line you're using
10:51<MTM>wget --no-check-certificate url
10:51<iccy>whats the url
10:52<kop>MTM: Nothing wrong with wget.
10:52<MTM>just a moment its quite long
10:52<iccy>oh dont retype it
10:52<iccy>hold on
10:54<kop>MTM: If you use -c with wget, and the other end supports it, it will continue downloading from where it left off.
10:54<iccy>based on the fact that its downloading a 16K file, i think he's using the wrong url
10:54<kop>iccy: You're likely right.
10:55<iccy>ya um
10:55<iccy>this is gonna be difficult to do with wget
10:55<iccy>(testing atm)
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10:56<iccy>the link off the download page is just a script, thats what you're getting with wget. trying to access the real download url it refers to results in a 403
10:56<iccy>you gotta use a web browser
10:56<kop>MTM: You could download elsewere and use scp to copy the result to your debian box.
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10:57<MTM>scp ?
10:57<kop>MTM: There's the links text based web browser....
10:57<dpkg>scp is Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. The client program is in the openssh-client package and it just uses the ssh server at the other end so you don't need to install anything special on the server (openssh-server package). ssh + cpio. Install scponly to restrict commands to scp-users. More infos: <sftp><sshfs>
10:57<dpkg>it has been said that putty is a DFSG-free ssh/telnet/rsh client for Windows and Linux. It is small, simple, and has no install nonsense. Available at, or see <putty linedraw>
10:58<iccy>if you've installed the desktop packages on your debian box, use the iceweasel web browser
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10:58<MTM>I use only text based debian server
10:59<iccy>apt-get install lynx
10:59<kop>iccy: (I prefer links, YMMV.)
10:59<pfix>and i prefer w3m :P
10:59<iccy>i prefer ssh -C -Y
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11:00<iccy>or vnc through ssh if its a slow connection
11:00<kop>pfix: Haven't tried it. I may give it a go.
11:02<Galaen>hello ^^
11:02<kop>Galaen: Hello.
11:02<Galaen>scuse me I have a little prob's with the sound output of my HDMI
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11:03<kop>!tell Galaen -about ask
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11:03<Galaen>ok thanks nice bot ;)
11:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:04<noflash>Galaen, please /msg the bot
11:06<Galaen>ok scuse but i'm french and i have a poor english
11:06<MTM>thank you very much everything goes well with lynx.
11:06<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
11:07<Galaen>no problem but they are very busy in France and i would like to know if in this room you have an answere for my problem :)
11:07<xeon-enouf>MTM: fwiw, /msg dpkg links2 (can be used in console as GUI - no X needed ;-))
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11:10<MTM>Im still having some problems like how can I choose the download location and so on, but I think Ill manage =) Thank you once again
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11:14<xeon-enouf>MTM: wget -O .. or i use 'cd into-dir-to-save-in; 'wget -P. <URL>' (the -P is for Parent dir, man wget)
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11:28<mroova>is anybody here?
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11:28<mroova>xD ive got small problem...
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11:29<mroova>with sharing files...
11:29<mroova>between two pcs with deibna.
11:29<Rooftops>well i have no clue, but i'll try to help XD
11:30<mroova>well... i cant do this :P
11:30<mroova>ive got 2 pcs with debian, it's connect with router
11:31<Rooftops>and you're trying to send files between the two over your internet?
11:31<mroova>i want to share one dir on PC[1]
11:31<xeon-enouf>mroova: share? typically NFS or samba, or ssh + scp, etc
11:31<mroova>over LAN
11:31<mroova>samba is "for windows" isn't it?
11:32<dpkg>hmm... nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>.
11:32<mroova>ohh.... :P
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11:33<mroova>samba is easy to conf etc... so can i use this with debians?
11:33<MTM>Thank you guys for helping me with the downloading. Its just that now the VMware is saying that it cant install becouse its using GCC 4.1.3 and im using 4.2.3
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11:34<MTM>im trying it with vmware any any patch
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11:35<hjheins>no: it says your kernel is built on gcc 4.1.x -> and you have 4.2.3 installed
11:35<hjheins>go to /usr/bin
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11:35<hjheins>do: ls -l gcc*
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11:35<hjheins>and you will probably see more than 1 gcc version
11:35<hjheins>remove gcc (which is a link)
11:35<mroova>ok, so how to browse files on second PC? (second PC has shared folder), what i should type in my file manager?
11:35<hjheins>and do an ln -s gcc-4.1.# gcc
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11:36<hjheins>now try again
11:36<mroova>btw... ive got fluxbox and rox
11:37<Flakk>Hi people, I have a question which is not debian specific but very basic. Maybe somebody would care to explain. I always thought that the IP address of the computer together with login and password is sufficient to connect to my desktop from the WEB. However I tried it today, and it did not work! i typed ssh [login]@[staticIP] from another machine which was connected to internet, as well as my desktop, - and the connection timed out
11:37<Flakk> without effect. The sshdemon was running on my comp, I checked it. So what was wrong??
11:39<cahoot>Flakk: increase the verosity - like ssh -vv
11:40<Flakk>nervosity )) ok
11:40<themill>!typosmite cahoot
11:40*dpkg makes cahoot raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr.
11:40<cahoot>tahnk you
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11:46<Flakk>cahoot: it says reading conf data, applying options for * needpriv 0 - and then connecting ... connecting...
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11:49<Jason_din_Alt>to put things simple..
11:49<Jason_din_Alt>i need some help
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11:50<Flakk>cahoot: connection timed out now.
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11:50<gsimmons>Jason_din_Alt: You will first need to describe your problem, before you can receive help regarding it.
11:51<cahoot>Flakk: didn't throw might light on the problem, seems it fails rather early in the process
11:51<quinque>Flakk: do you have some firewall ... can you ping etc.
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11:52<Jason_din_Alt>ok.. so the problem is: XFi souncard/ ubuntu 9.0.4/ pulse audio installed/ XFiDrv installed... cannot get sound out of it
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11:52<Jason_din_Alt>i as fresh into linux as.. don`t know.. few hours
11:52<Flakk>quinque: the funny thing that pinging this address goes fine, BUT it goes fine even when I disconnect my machine from the WEB - on the other hand the IP is really my static IP, as I know from "whatismyIP" site
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11:52<gsimmons>Jason_din_Alt: Ubuntu is not supported here. Please join #ubuntu on instead.
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11:53<cahoot>Flakk: some router in between?
11:54<Flakk>cahoot: i would guess so, but what does it imply then?
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11:55<cahoot>Flakk: maybe you need portforward from router to server - depends on your setup of course
11:55<Flakk>does this mean I will not be able to login to my machine remotely?
11:55<quinque>Flakk: unless you are not NAT'ing - no
11:56<cahoot>Flakk: is it like: server->router->inet?
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11:56<Flakk>cahoot: I just do not know...
11:56<Flakk>quinque: what is NAT'ing??
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11:57<Flakk>cahoot: I mean I took what my ISP gave me, and am using it
11:57<jerico2day>i'm trying to setup jumbo frames, how can I view the supported mtu settings for my NIC card?
11:57<cahoot>I think we miscommunicate
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11:58<Blood>i upgraded my kernel to the 2.6.30-1 (i think for the -1, cant remember, but its the kernel supported in squeeze)
11:59<Blood>and KDE doesnt launch when i boot on the 2.6.30 kernel.
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11:59<Blood>Do i have to reinstall KDE on the new kernel ? i dont really understand how the kernel works
12:00<azeem>Blood: how does it not launch?
12:00<Blood>well i just start up in console mod :)
12:00<Flakk>cahoot: I do not know much about these things. so maybe I do not quite understand what you say
12:00<azeem>what graphics card do you have?
12:00<Blood>an ati 4870X2.
12:00<Blood>I didnt install the drivers yet. But it works great for vids etc ...
12:01<Blood>and i didnt install the fglrx drivers because i need the new kernel to do so ^^
12:01<azeem>and KDE worked before?
12:01<Blood>yes, i kept the old kernel. Im on it now :)
12:01<Blood>KDE 4 that is
12:02<azeem>pastebin the output of "grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log" for the new kernel to a pastebin
12:02<azeem>or compare the output between the working and the non-working kernel
12:02<Flakk>cahoot: let me put the question like this: how can I understand whether my connection is through a router or not? is there an easy way to find it out?
12:02<Blood>ok. Azeem, are you telling me KDE should start up on the new kernel ? could it be a problem with KDM ?
12:02<cahoot>Flakk: if ther 'server' is connected to a router it might be the case you ssh to the router, in which case you need config the router to pass on the connection to the server (in my amateurish language)
12:03<azeem>Blood: if anything, it's a problem with X
12:03<azeem>KDE is kernel-independent
12:03<Blood>ok. i know what i need to do then, well i think so anyway.
12:03<Blood>i need to do a Xorg -configure, and cp it :)
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12:04<Blood>because gnome or kde dont work if it dont do so
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12:04<Blood>i had to do that everytime.
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12:08<Flakk>cahoot: I think I am connected to a router indeed. One reason is that even when I disconnect my machine, I can ping the address in question. The other reason is that I can connect several computers to their adsl modem, and it is OK. But where can I find out if it is really true? in cinfig files of my desktop? or i should ask the ISP?
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12:11<bloebb1>hey, i just did a dual boot installation of two debian systems an installed GRUB in the MBR both times
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12:11<bloebb1>the result is that it works just fine
12:12<bloebb1>so why does everyone say that one should not install grub of the second system into the MBR??
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12:13<dkr>because that statement is made when the second system is windows
12:14<bloebb1>i was wondering because the debian installer suggested exactly what i did
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12:15<bloebb1>one more question: which menu.list do i edit now, when i want to change the operating systems titel, for example.
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12:17<cahoot>Flakk: you have physical acces to the server atm?
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12:18<Flakk>sorry - I do not know what is "server atm"
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12:18<dkr>bloebb1: the one you installed last
12:18<cahoot>Flakk: you have physical access to the server now?
12:19<Flakk>yes i do
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12:19<Flakk>oh you mean my desktop - yes
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12:21<Blood>Flakk: atm = at the moment
12:23<cahoot>Flakk: the 'desktop' is the system you try to ssh to?
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12:23<Flakk>cahoot : yes
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12:25<cahoot>Flakk: you could try connect to /or in a browser on the desktop - see if you get to a config screen on the router
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12:28<jo8330>hi. why do new dir's made in /etc have +s for group?
12:28<jo8330>by default
12:28<jo8330>actually it's just /etc/bind
12:31<Flakk>cahoot: - no connection, - still connecting... "ifconfig" gives by the way the inet adress of the sort 192.168...etc,
12:32<Flakk>cahoot: anyway thanks, I think I understand it all better now
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12:33<cahoot>Flakk: seems like you want to get som info from the ISP on how it's all set up
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13:17<ajavid>I'm leaving the debian project for good
13:18<ajavid>not develping anymore, not packaging anymore
13:18<ajavid>not contributing a damn thing any longer
13:18<ajavid>thanks to the assholes runing this project
13:18<ajavid>fuck yo uand have a fantastic day
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13:25<cahoot>the real ajavid?
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13:31<diesel>hi does any 1 hear use backtrack
13:31<dpkg>i guess bt is Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>.
13:31<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), formerly <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #remote-exploit on See also <based on debian>.
13:31<themill>dpkg, stupid bot
13:31<dpkg>no, stupid themill
13:31<diesel>yea bt4
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13:32<locsmif>I guess ajavid is slightly unhappy about the leadership ;-)
13:33<locsmif>What was he developing on?
13:35<themill>nothing that's in the debian repositories
13:36<cahoot>he does'nt habitually frequent this channel
13:36*themill suspects that this isn't the right place for further introspection on this => #debian-offtopic
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14:16*pfix greets
14:16<xeon-enouf>ciao a tutti
14:16<pfix>tutti frutti and bello nutti
14:17<xeon-enouf>a whop-baba-lubba, a-bob-bam-boo ;-)
14:17<xeon-enouf>er s/bob/bop/
14:17<EmleyMoor>I have just installed an 11-button joystick, and am wondering if I can reassign the button order... the program I bought it for will only read button 10 for some odd reason.
14:17<xeon-enouf>whop even
14:18<pfix>wow, it must have been the early 1990s when i used a joystick
14:18<xeon-enouf>xev, xmodmap
14:18<xeon-enouf>xmodmap -ppk or something
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14:19<EmleyMoor>fuse (Spectrum emulator) - I am on their channel hoping to get to the bottom of it their side
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14:43<ikkerus>anyone there?
14:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:16<ffff>as to retrieve a session of irssi??
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15:17<abrotman>retrieve ?
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15:17<pbn>hi there
15:17<pbn>chealer: you there ?
15:18<ffff>recuperar sesion?
15:18<Kvant>ffff, did you start it in screen?
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15:18<abrotman>ffff: is the irssi still running ?
15:19<Kvant>how did you stop/whatever it?
15:20<Kvant>why do you need to recover it? what did you do?
15:21<abrotman>judd: info retty --release lenny
15:21<judd>abrotman: retty (utils): is extra; Version: 1.0-2; Size: 9.6k; Installed: 68k -- attach processes running on other terminals
15:21<ffff>closed the terminal and now want to go back to my irssi session of which is still running
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15:21<Kvant>so did you start it in a screen?
15:22<Kvant>if so, do "screen -ls" to see it listed
15:22<Kvant>do "screen -r id-of-screen" to recover it
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15:28<ffff>does not operate to
15:28<ffff>thx ;)
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15:40<mib_4sqagxcm>Helloes :) anyone in here?
15:40<chealer>pbn: I am
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15:42<mib_4sqagxcm>Wanted to maybe get some advice on Raid configuration on Debian..
15:42<locsmif>!here anyone
15:42<locsmif>hmm. guess not.
15:42<mib_4sqagxcm>if only someone could be able and willing to help that is
15:42<mib_4sqagxcm>plx ^.^
15:42<locsmif>!tell mib_4sqagxcm about software raid
15:43<FedeFrede>can someone please help me out with installing world of padman on my eee 900
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15:44<pbn>chealer: ah, hi there, people from #debian@freenode told me to talk to you about my problem :)
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15:45<chealer>pbn: I'm going to eat, but might check later
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15:45<pbn>chealer: well basically I'm runnning Debian testing amd64, and I no longer have the nvidia proprietary kernel drivers, and if I try to reinstall them here's what I get:
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15:48<pbn>chealer: and basically it's one month I'm waiting for nvidia-glx 185.18.36-2 to be in testing, I'm watching this:
15:48<pbn>chealer: ah, bon appétit :) catch ya later
15:49<mib_4sqagxcm>hmm.. i myself used 184.x on lenny with no problems
15:49<dserban_>as trivial as this sounds... ehh I'm embarrased to ask, but the documentation is sparse... how do I add a vnc server to a box? (no real w/m, using ratpoison)
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15:51<mib_4sqagxcm>mmm sorry if i sound stupid, but what "sudo aptitude install vnc4server" does?
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15:53<dserban_>n/m i got it... I decided to ignore google's suggestion on using the sarge setup methods :o
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15:54<ehren>mib_4sqagxcm: it installs the vnc4server package. for info on the package use sudo aptitude show vnc4server
15:55<pbn>mib_4sqagxcm: really ? how did you do that ?
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15:56<mib_4sqagxcm>i remember having some troubles getting it to work, but in the end it worked allright
15:57<mib_4sqagxcm>i also thing that i didnt use aptitude to install the stuff, but rather went to nvidia site, got the latest distrib there and followed the isntaructions
15:57<pbn>mib_4sqagxcm: yeah but I don't wanna do it that way
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15:58<mib_4sqagxcm>well depends on your aims :) if you want that thing to work you can do it like i did, however if you have other reasons... believe i cant help you here :(
15:58<FedeFrede>why are linux ppl so snobbish
15:59<FedeFrede>terrible :(
15:59<mib_4sqagxcm>are we? :O
15:59<FedeFrede>yeah im a linux newie.. and if i ask about help with something simple, i dont get n answer
16:00<FedeFrede>simple to you that is
16:00<mib_4sqagxcm>man i guess its just that there is no one that have a slightest idea of what you are talking about.... dont be so hostile :P
16:00<abrotman>FedeFrede: it depends on who is around at the time .. might be that no one looking knows the answer
16:01<abrotman>FedeFrede: and as for your question a) What is World of Padman b) what have you tried c) what didn't work about it
16:01<FedeFrede>im trying to install a game, but :
16:01<FedeFrede>Not enough space left in /tmp (131008 KB) to decompress (578532 KB)
16:01<FedeFrede>Consider setting TMPDIR to a directory with more free space.
16:02<abrotman>okay .. that's easy enough ..
16:02<FedeFrede>so i tryed
16:02<FedeFrede>export TMPDIR=$HOME/user/tmp
16:02<FedeFrede>doesnt seem to work
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16:02<abrotman>you probably want `mkdir -p $HOME/tmp/ ; TMPDIR=$HOME/tmp/`
16:03<FedeFrede>erm ok
16:03<mib_4sqagxcm>also what "df -h" gives you?
16:05<FedeFrede>rootfs 13G 11G 1,7G 86% /
16:05<FedeFrede>/dev/sda1 13G 11G 1,7G 86% /
16:05<FedeFrede>none 13G 11G 1,7G 86% /
16:05<FedeFrede>tmpfs 502M 16K 502M 1% /dev/shm
16:05<FedeFrede>tmpfs 128M 64K 128M 1% /tmp
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16:05<mib_4sqagxcm>sorry mate didnt mean to get you kicked :D
16:05<FedeFrede>hehe np
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16:06<mib_4sqagxcm>you seem to have plenty of space on your /dev/sda1 so getting your TMPDIR onto your home like abrotman suggested might be a good idea
16:07<abrotman>don't blame me!@
16:07<mib_4sqagxcm>hopefully your /home is on your root
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16:07<mib_4sqagxcm>guise i`m through with the links the bot tried to feed me
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16:07<mib_4sqagxcm>still need a pointer
16:07<mib_4sqagxcm>basically mirror raid works fine for me but stripe raid does not
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16:08<mib_4sqagxcm>and whats embarassing is that i get a blank screen / flashing cursor when i try to boot into new debian setup on stripe raid
16:09<mib_4sqagxcm>gets me crazy
16:10<locsmif>I wish I could help you more, but I know little about software RAID
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16:12<mib_4sqagxcm>oh lol i thought you were a bot :D
16:12<mib_4sqagxcm>think of it as a compliment AI is a magnificent thing if it ever happens
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16:16<chealer>pbn: yeah, you need sid's drivers, there's no way around. don't expect them to migrate quickly
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16:17<lkcl>hi folks, where's the best place to let people know about a debian/copyright automated checker?
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16:18<themill>lkcl: is that link supposed to be a 404?
16:18<lkcl>it's just committing :)
16:18<lkcl>sourceforge dragging its heels, heaaaave, heaaaave
16:19<themill>ahh situation normal then
16:19<azeem>lkcl: the debian-devel mailing list, maybe
16:20<themill>lkcl: is this related to the checker that was posted a week or so ago in one of the DEP-5 threads?
16:20<lkcl>azeem: yep, that was my first guess, too - just wanted to check
16:20<abrotman>FedeFrede: how did it work out ?
16:21<lkcl>themill: i took at look at a bugreport... this one do you mean?
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16:23<lkcl>themill: i couldn't get it to work (warning $severity uninitialised wasn't too inspiring), it didn't actually _do_ anything so i went "buggrit" and wrote with 2000 files i wasn't too keen on doing it by hand
16:23<lkcl>themill: ahh, ack - ta.
16:24<themill>lkcl: I've still not actually managed to look at your upload, but it sounds like your thing is checking the copyright file -- the one I just posted is about checking/interpreting the syntax of the file.
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16:24<lkcl>themill: Committed r1857 .... urrrggh....
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16:26<lkcl>themill: yep, it basically walks not only the debian/copyright file (i wish i'd known about msg00558.html _before_ starting o well) but also it walks the filesystem, locates anything with "Copyright:" in it, does a few guesses about whether it's a real "Copyright" notice
16:26<pbn>chealer: okay :) so I need to add APT::Default-Release "testing"; to apt.conf, then add deb http://debian-mirror:7777/debian/ sid main non-free contrib and deb-src http://debian-mirror:7777/debian/ sid main non-free contrib
16:26<pbn>chealer: then aptitude -t sid install the packages .. ?
16:26<themill>lkcl: you also know of the licensecheck utility as well from devscripts, I presume
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16:27<lkcl>then there's some checks to see that the copyrights are actually _in_ the file
16:27<lkcl>themill: noo, never heard of it :)
16:28<themill>lkcl: what we really need is a fusion of licensecheck, that DEP-5 format checker and your tool.... preferably accessible through a simple command line and also as a lintian check... :)
16:28<lkcl>themill: #478930 is the beginnings of a lintian check
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16:29<lkcl>themill: hooray! A contrib/
16:29<lkcl>Committed r1860
16:29<themill>lkcl: yes, saw that. Although the format has changed enough that it won't get anywhere just yet.
16:29<pbn>chealer: nvidia-glx from sid... but what kernel should I use ? 2.6.30 from sid ?
16:29<lkcl>o well - it's human-readable at least...
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16:31<jon_>Hey all, I've been having some strange issues with crashing about once a day lately. Does anybody have a minute to look at my /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old file to see if they can help me figure out why it's crashing?
16:31<jon_>Check out the log at
16:32<themill>lkcl: looks like an interesting script. I'll try it out next time I've got copyright files to double check
16:33<lkcl>themill: yeah. i was surprised that it even found some copyright holders in .gif files, because i didn't tell it _not_ to :)
16:34<jon_>does anybody have a moment to look over some Xorg log files for me?
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16:39<jon_>Hey guys, I've been having some troubles with the Xorg server crashing about once a day - can anybody give me a hand?
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16:39<jon_>hey, okaratas
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16:43<chealer>pbn: what kernel do you use?
16:43<pbn>chealer: right now I got the stock 2.6.26 testing kernel, but I suppose I'll need to install the 2.26.30 sotck kernel from sid, right ?
16:44<chealer>pbn: 2.6.26 is not in testing anymore, install testing's 2.6.30
16:44<chealer>pbn: something like that. you don't need real "source packages" from sid.
16:44<chealer>!tell pbn about tum
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16:45<pbn>chealer: yep did that already :)
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16:46<pbn>chealer: I'm gonna do: aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-ia32 linux-image-2.6-amd64
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16:47<pbn>chealer: I'm gonna do: aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-ia32 linux-image-2.6-amd64 nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64
16:47<pbn>seem reasnoable ?
16:47<chealer>pbn: start by installing testing's 2.6.30. there is no need to get anything from sid but the nvidia drivers
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16:47<pbn>chealer: ah, it will work with testing's 2.6.30 stock kernel? good :)
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16:48<chealer>pbn: yes
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16:48<jon_>Hey Guys, I've been having trouble with my Xorg crashing about once a day. The screen flicks between flat black and a blinking underscore every couple of seconds, ctrl-alt-backspace does nothing, and eventually I get a message that X has crashed. I've uploaded my Xorg.0.log.old file to pastebin at If anybody could help me out, I'd appreciate it
16:48<dserban_>I get random segfaults on programs that load the computer. What can I do to track down what's causing it (them) to die?
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16:48<pbn>when I do aptitude install linux-image-2.6.30-2-amd64 it installs sid's 2.6.30 kernel
16:49<epoch>Does anyone have a suggestion for a PoE Access Point?
16:49<themill>pbn: testing has a -1- kernel not -2-. The -2- kernel will hit squeeze some time soon.
16:49<pbn>themill: ah ok I will install the 1- kernel
16:50<themill>pbn: btw just installing linux-image-amd64 should solve that for you on a more permanent basis (it will automatically drag in new kernels)
16:50<okaratas>jon_, please paste to your using xorg.conf files..
16:51<jon_>sorry okaratas, I don't understand
16:51<jon_>what do you need from me?
16:51<pbn>I'll install the headers too, must be linux-headers-amd64 right ?
16:51<okaratas>jon_, yes.. paste to your xorg.conf
16:52<pbn>hm no such package so I'll aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.30-1-amd64
16:52<pbn>I need the headers because I'm using VMware Server
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16:54<pbn>okay guys now I need to reboot in 2.6.30-1-686 I guess ?
16:54<jon_>okaratas: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty
16:55<themill>you can get module-assistant to compile for an alternate kernel using -l, but it's easier to just run the new kernel (and you can check that everything else is working ok with that kernel)
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16:56<pbn>okay now...
16:56<pbn>chealer: I'm gonna do: aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-ia32 nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64
16:56<pbn>is that correct ?
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16:58<chealer>pbn: no, nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 is outdated. are you on 2.6.30?
16:58<pbn>chealer: yes I'm on 2.6.30
16:59<pbn>Linux nitro 2.6.30-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Aug 15 18:09:19 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
16:59<chealer>pbn: which nvidia chipset do you use?
17:00<pbn>chealer: it's a recente one, nvidia 9800 GT
17:00<pbn>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (rev a2)
17:00<chealer>pbn: install nvidia-kernel-source from sid, then follow the wiki page until step 3
17:00<pbn>chealer: ok
17:01<chealer>pbn: or rather, do step 2 from the wiki page
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17:02<themill>judd: xorg 10de:0601
17:02<judd>themill: Device 10de:0601 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny. In sid, it is matched by xorg driver: 'nvidia'.
17:02<themill>well done, judd ;)
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17:04<pbn>chealer: ah wait, it wants to install 49 packages in dependencies, look:
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17:05<ert34>My flash support is broken since the last flashplugin upgrade. I can't watch videos in youtube. I am using squeeze.
17:06<chealer>pbn: it's not dependencies, it's recommendations. if apt-get does the same, give it --no-install-recommends
17:07<pbn>well chealer now I followd what t he wiki says I did: time aptitude -t sid install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common
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17:08<pbn>now time module-assistant auto-install nvidia-kernel-source
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17:09<ert34>How can I downgrade it?
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17:12<pbn>weird id uses the nvidia-kernelsource from sid !
17:12<pbn>uhh from testing
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17:13<pbn>and it also installed nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64_173.14.09+3+lenny1_amd64.deb
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17:13<pbn>and now m-i says Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed!
17:14<pbn>chealer: sorry but what's going on ?
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17:16<chealer>pbn: what do you mean by "weird id uses the nvidia-kernelsource from sid !"?
17:16<InkBottle>I'm doing this kind of things: (i'm actually doing it with freedesktop/nouveau kernel sources). Is there something to do with initramfs (it is Chinese for me)
17:16<pbn>I noticed aptitude downloaded nvidia-kernel-source from testing, not sid
17:17<pbn>and also it download nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64_173.14.09+3+lenny1_amd64.deb
17:17<InkBottle>the answer seems to be yes
17:17<InkBottle>I haven't seen it
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17:18<InkBottle>would you say what they say at "if your using ubuntu" should do it?
17:19<chealer>pbn: when?
17:21<pbn>chealer: well it just did
17:22<jon_>Is anybody available to help me troubleshoot an Xorg crash problem?
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17:25<chealer>pbn: following what?
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17:28<chealer>!tell jon_ about ask
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17:42<jon_>chealer: I am having troubles with Xorg. It crashes on me roughly once a day. When this happens, my display flickers between a flat black screen (as if it were off) and a black screen with a flashing underscore character. After a few minutes, I get a blue and black notification that X has crashed and could not restart. I have uploaded my xorg.0.log.old files at My /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is
17:42<jon_> empty. Do you know what is wrong?
17:44<chealer>jon_: no, ask the channel.
17:44<chealer>jon_: which Debian suite do you use?
17:45<jon_>Debian Lenny
17:45<jon_>with Gnome
17:45<pbn>chealer: okay, so... what houl I do ? aptitude -t sid install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common ?
17:45<chealer>pbn: aptitude downloaded nvidia-kernel-source from testing following what?
17:46<pbn>chealer: that I need to check, wait
17:46<chealer>pbn: no, you don't need to install those from sid
17:46<chealer>pbn: only nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx
17:47<jon_>also, Kernel 2.6.26-2-686 and X.Org v1.4.2
17:47<pbn>so I start with what ? aptitude -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-glx ? or aptitude install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common
17:47<chealer>pbn: the latter
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17:47<chealer>pbn: (you never run the former)
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17:48<pbn>so aptitude install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common .. ?
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17:49<chealer>pbn: yes
17:49<pbn>chealer: done
17:49<pbn>but then what ???
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17:49<chealer>pbn: then you install sid's nvidia-kernel-source
17:50<pbn> m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-source
17:50<jon_>I am having troubles with Xorg. It crashes on me roughly once a day. When this happens, my display flickers between a flat black screen (as if it were off) and a black screen with a flashing underscore character. After a few minutes, I get a blue and black notification that X has crashed and could not restart. I have uploaded my xorg.0.log.old files at My /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is empty. I
17:50<jon_> am using Debian Lenny with Gnome, Linux Kernel 2.6.26-2-686 and X.Org v1.4.2
17:50<pbn>... but how will m-a "guess" I need the sid nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source ?
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17:52<chealer>pbn: # apt-get -tsid install nvidia-kernel-source
17:52<pbn>chealer: ... sorry I don't get it
17:53<pbn>ah ok
17:53<pbn>chealer: and nvida-glx too ?
17:53<chealer>pbn: not at this point
17:53<pbn>chealer: so aptitude -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source
17:53<pbn>ok let's go
17:54<pbn>it wants to install 51 extra packages, and also it complains about nvidia-glx
17:54<pbn>Keep the following packages at their current version: nvidia-glx [Not Installed] and Leave the following dependencies unresolved:nvidia-kernel-source recommends nvidia-glx (>= 185.18.36)
17:55<pbn>chealer: I choose "accept this solution" ?
17:56<chealer>pbn: did you try # apt-get -tsid install nvidia-kernel-source; ?
17:57<pbn>chealer: yes that's the command I typed, except I'm using aptitude
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17:57<chealer>jon_: that sounds like a bug. did you check #494321 ?
17:57<pbn>it also says The following packages are BROKEN: nvidia-glx
17:57<valdyn>pbn: thats ok and expected
17:57<chealer>pbn: well, that's not the command you typed then.
17:58<valdyn>pbn: this will fix itself after you built and installed the kernel modules ( m-a a-i nvidia )
17:58<chealer>pbn: as I wrote, "if apt-get does the same, give it --no-install-recommends"
17:59<pbn>chealer: hum I need to use apt-get and not aptitude then ?
17:59<valdyn>pbn: you can ignore that warning
17:59<pbn>well with aptitude it's *not* a warning, it really wants to install these packages
18:00<chealer>pbn: no, I'm just telling one way to do it.
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18:00<valdyn>pbn: those 51 extra packages have a seperate cause
18:00<jon_>chealer: that sounds exactly like what I have
18:00<pbn>well apt-get -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source ... also wants to install thse 50 oackages
18:00<valdyn>pbn: you can only solve one problem at a time
18:01<jon_>I found the bug report at Is there anywhere that I can look to see if it has since been resolved?
18:01<valdyn>pbn: either you ignore the nvidia stuff for now and fix those 50 packages thing or you ignore the 50 packages thing and do the nvidia drivers
18:01<themill>pbn: use "aptitude -R ..." to not install recommends
18:01<chealer>pbn: then try # apt-get --no-install-recommends -tsid install nvidia-kernel-source
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18:02<valdyn>i would say aptitude -f install, but thats just me
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18:02<pbn>chealer: indeed that works !!
18:02<pbn>apt-get --no-install-recommends -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source
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18:03<chealer>valdyn: um, he gets his 50 packages thing while installing the nvidia drivers
18:03<themill>valdyn: that wasn't the issue though.
18:03<valdyn>nvidia doesnt pull 50 packages
18:03<K4>Hi. Did anybody try prelink? It gives "Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library"
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18:03<valdyn>sure using apt-get works around this too
18:03<chealer>valdyn: it seems it does (approximately)
18:03<pbn>now module-assistant auto-install nvidia-kernel-source
18:04<valdyn>chealer: maybe if he doesnt even have X installed
18:04<paulovictor>hello, I've a problem with "gksu",. It's out off! Help me
18:04<chealer>valdyn: even if he has. it's a nvidia-kernel-source issue.
18:04<strefli3>Anyone running a current(updated) testing install with gnome having window maximizing problems?
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18:05<pbn>module-assistant seems to have done its job
18:05<valdyn>chealer: if i understand this right then now after he did his nvidia stuff, aptitude would still want to install alot of packages
18:05<pbn>what next, now install nvidia-glx from sid ?
18:05<chealer>pbn: yes
18:06<pbn>apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx
18:06<chealer>valdyn: no, APT only tries to satisfy recommendations when installing a package with recommendations (or perhaps when there are new recommendations on upgrade)
18:06<chealer>valdyn: (installing meaning, not upgrading)
18:06<themill>valdyn: nvidia-kernel-source Recommends devscripts and everything else is from that.
18:06<pbn>chealer: done
18:06<pbn>chealer: now, what, reboot and pray ? :>
18:07<valdyn>themill: i see
18:07<spanther>pbn, reboot and pray ftw! :D
18:07<chealer>pbn: now step 4. you can follow the regular guide after step 3.
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18:08<spanther>pbn, are you installing nvidia drivers?
18:08<pbn>chealer: yes basically in /etc/X11/xorg.conf: 1) Load "glx" 2) Driver "nvidia"
18:08<pbn>spanther: yeah, I'm trying :P
18:09<spanther>i have a fast easy howto made by myself :P
18:09<spanther>tried it and it works flawlessly x)
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18:09<chealer>pbn: please follow the guide for that
18:09<spanther>you use debian 5 (stable) and standard kernel right? :)
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18:11<themill>chealer: does "/msg dpkg nvidia squeeze" look right for the current procedure then? (afaict it's what you've been doing just now)
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18:12<spanther>pbn, are you using Debian 5 Stable 32bit with stock kernel?
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18:14<spanther>here my nvidia debian 5 32bit howto :) easy few steps ^^
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18:14<chealer>spanther: he isn't
18:14<spanther>oh ok :)
18:15<spanther>hey what do you think about my tutorial? :)
18:15<chealer>themill: "(c) follow the module-assistant instructions but when it comes to installing the nvidia packages, install them from unstable not testing (ask me about <nvidia m-a>)" is not really clear. I would expect a good part of users to fail to do it, but it's not really worst than the current guide.
18:16<pbn>yeaaaaaaaaah it works !!!
18:16<pbn>thanks a lot chealer !!
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18:16<themill>chealer: there are about 3 characters left to fit it into the irc line limit.... :(
18:16<chealer>themill: no doubt. it's not really wrong.
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18:17<themill>chealer: I'll have another go at wording it
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18:21<spanther>chealer, is my tutor bad? :/
18:21<themill>chealer: better? (more explicit yes... perfectly accurate too?)
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18:24<pbn>it works thanks a lot
18:24<chealer>themill: part are better. drxx doesn't work anymore in testing (see the guide).
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18:24<pbn>now yet another problem, since I upgraded testing, the special keys of my multimedia keyboard fail to work
18:24<chealer>themill: it's much more explicit, yes. also, nvidia-glx needs to be installed from sid
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18:25<chealer>themill: FWIW, m-a a-i implies m-a prepare
18:25<themill>yeah, I've seen that fail before though
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18:27<chealer>spanther: it has quite a few issues. for one thing, nvidia-xconfig isn't recommended (see the warning in )
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18:27<spanther>chealer, ok
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18:28<Woet>how would I find out what type/brand/type of RAM my server holds?
18:28<weasel>check the vendor's specs?
18:28<pbn>Woet: wel jij kan de server opendoen en kijken zeker :p
18:28<Woet>dutch please
18:28<pbn>Woet: or use lshw | less as root
18:28<Woet>english please *
18:29<Woet>and it's a remote machine, so i'll have a look
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18:29<pbn>Woet: remote ? ah sorry, then lshw | less as root might help
18:29<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, myram is install and run 'dmidecode -t memory' as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you (lenny/squeeze/sid), modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info. For Etch users, try the lm-sensors pkg, and see /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/ and other docs. Try 'lshal | grep smbios' to obtain mainboard and BIOS info.
18:29<Woet>i'm checking :)
18:29<lancelot_of>hallo, is there any firefox channel?
18:30<abrotman>for firefox or iceweasel ?
18:30<Woet>sure, but not on this network
18:30<lancelot_of>abrotman, for fiefox
18:30<abrotman>lancelot_of: #firefox on
18:30<spanther>chealer, "nvidia-xconfig doesn't handle xorg.conf files generated by dexconf" that's the bug description. it can't handle dexconf generated xorg.conf files. but it can handle the standard file you have at fresh install since it worked for me :)
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18:30<lancelot_of>abrotman, thank you very much
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18:30<pbn>Maximum Total Memory Size: 4096 MB <-- weird, I got 8 GB and the kernel sees all 8 GB
18:30<steve_>yo, this is offtopic, but is there a chatroom for the R language?
18:30<Woet>pbn: lshw doesn't list type/manufacturer for me
18:30<dpkg>R is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. To install: aptitude install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r".
18:31<spanther>chealer, the bug removes the keyboard settings. but in my howto i have a workaround how to set the right layout again easily :)
18:31<Woet>neither does dmidecode:
18:31<chealer>spanther: no. the standard file is generated by dexconf. the problem is that nvidia-xconfig ignored your xorg.conf
18:32<chealer>spanther: eh, that's not great. the keyboard layout is just an example of a setting that can be lost. everything else there will also be lost.
18:32<themill>chealer: is it necessary to tell X to use "nvidia" at all? Does the autodetection not pick up "nvidia" over "nv"?
18:32<abrotman>steve_: there is a #r on freenode
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18:33<spanther>chealer, is there any other setting in X after you installed debian fresh which gets removed other than keyboard layout? :)
18:34<chealer>themill: I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure it's needed on this machine. it definitely was needed on my machine when I rewrote the guide.
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18:34<chealer>spanther: not that I can think of quickly, but then you can't expect everyone uses the xorg.conf they got on their install unmodified.
18:35<themill>Fair enough. (I know my fglrx was a complete failure in lenny without a full xorg.conf... luckily I had one from etch)
18:35<spanther>chealer, right :/ so better do my tutor and then make other manipulations to the xorg.conf is that fine then this way? ^^
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18:36<themill>chealer: draft #13 look good now :)
18:36<spanther>themill, yeah it's sad that the xorg.conf isn't complete as usual before :(
18:36<themill>spanther: 90+% of the time, that's a good thing.
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18:37<mshindo>Hi, I am trying to get a package included in the debian repos, and thus become a debian maintainer, however I dont know any official developers who are able to sign my pgp key, it anyone able to help out or give me a few pointers ?
18:38<themill>mshindo: try finding people near by with
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18:39<spanther>themill, what's a good thing 90% of the time? :)
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18:39<themill>mshindo: that lists Craig Evans in Christchurch. Perhaps a start?
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18:39<themill>err Carey Evans
18:39<themill>spanther: xorg just working without requiring hours of tweaking modeline settings is a fantastic thing.
18:40<spanther>themill, i know days where you didn't need modelines... just input the resolution itself :/
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18:48<chealer>spanther: your tutorial has several issues. I'm sorry, I'm already late updating the tutorial I maintain, reviewing others is not my priority.
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18:48<spanther>ok :=
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18:48<spanther>well it works for me ^^
18:48<Wunnymush>is it a bootloader gui editor someplace?
18:49<abrotman>probably ..
18:49<abrotman>i think gnome and kde both have one .. what are you looking to change about it ?
18:49<chealer>themill: yes
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18:50<themill>chealer: excellent :) it's a bit of an FAQ atm so it's nice to know what we should be telling people.
18:50<chealer>themill: yeah
18:50<Wunnymush>abrotman, i want to boot windows
18:50*chealer goes to eat
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18:51<abrotman>Wunnymush: it should have detected it when you installed and set it up
18:51<Wunnymush>it did, and it is in the grub menu.lst .But it don't boot anyway
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19:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:50<abrotman>sney: he didn't want to apparently
19:50<sney>guess not
19:50<sney>musta not been important
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19:52<KingKong2009>Hi, Just wondering if newer stable versions of debian of grub2 (grub-pc) will become the default??
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19:53<abrotman>KingKong2009: supposedly that is a goal for squeeze
19:53<abrotman>go have grub2 be the default i mean
19:53<sney>I haven't updated yet because I'm a weenie
19:54*themill still has lilo on plenty of boxes....
19:54<abrotman>though i can't find it in the release goals
19:54<themill>if it's not broken...
19:55<InkBottle>can you tell me between make deb-pkg and make deb-kpkg
19:55<InkBottle>and about fakeroot
19:56<InkBottle>make deb-pkg, vs. make-kpkg
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19:58<KingKong2009>abrotman, I am running testing just wondering if I should take the risk of upgrading to grub2
19:59<abrotman>KingKong2009: i have lots of boxes on it .. is there anything special about your setup ?
20:00<KingKong2009>abrotman, Nope nothing special, just wanted to play with it:-)
20:00<abrotman>if you dual boot, i'd recommend installing the os-prober (it is a Recommends)
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20:03<KingKong2009>abrotman, no dual booting, I chucked out Windoze several years ago :-)
20:04<abrotman>though unless you explicitly tell it not to, it will get installed
20:04<KingKong2009>abrotman, I have installed it, going now for $> reboot
20:05<abrotman>KingKong2009: good luck
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20:11<InkBottle>I did this: fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image. Do you think the "update-initramfs -k -c" is included in it. Do you think the grub files will be automatically set up? It is a "non-debian kernel" (from
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20:26<ab1->aqui é o canal sobre o debian brasileiro?
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20:28<ab1->aqui é o canal sobre o debian brasileiro?
20:28<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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20:40<dserban_>smb packages busted ... depends on libtalloc1 which is now libtalloc2
20:41<dserban_>no bugs against it reported
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20:44<abrotman>dserban_: in sid ?
20:44<dserban_>abrotman, yep. And I know. It's to be expected etc :)
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20:47<dserban_> smbfs: Depends: libtalloc1 (>= 1.3.0) which is a virtual package.
20:47<dserban_> samba-common-bin: Depends: libtalloc1 (>= 1.3.0) which is a virtual package.
20:47<dserban_> libwbclient0: Depends: libtalloc1 (>= 1.0.1) which is a virtual package.
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20:49<dserban_>crrap now I can't add a mount to fstab since I can't mount cifs/smbfs shares until I can install that package. Though the odd thing is, that if I mount -t cifs etc etc from the commandline... it works ?
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21:36<neutrino>hi, i am currently installing the graphic driver form the repository using synaptic, but i would like to store these files for future reference, where should i look them?
21:37<neutrino>i am new to debian and don't know much about its file structure.
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21:46<abrotman>neutrino: /var/cache/apt/archives/
21:48<brunner>what software do people normally use to remotely monitor their servers?
21:48<brunner>I'm looking for something that will ping and/or test various ports on a regular basis and give me some kind of centralized output
21:48<brunner>if that makes sense
21:48<abrotman>monitor them for what?
21:48<abrotman>snmp ?
21:48<brunner>uptime, mostly
21:49<brunner>and maybe load
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21:50<brunner>that's the name I was trying to remember.
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21:51<neutrino>abrotman, thank you. There are other files too in that path, i guess the packages form other installed program, should i delete them to free up the space or there is some other feature that does cleanup by itself?
21:51<abrotman>neutrino: synaptic should have a way to clean up
21:52<abrotman>brunner: cacti is another
21:52<brunner>abrotman: thanks
21:53<neutrino>abrotman, oh..
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21:54<abrotman>neutrino: in aptitude .. you just type 'aptitude clean' and it will remove the cached files
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21:55<neutrino>abrotman, can i copy these files and install them later using dpkg?
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21:56<abrotman>neutrino: you can .. though they may be outdated
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21:58<neutrino>abrotman, ok, i intend to copy the installation files of some programs form friends to mine as installation of some programs may takes hours due to slow internet connection.
21:59<dpkg>Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>., or apt-sneakernet (in jest)
22:01<neutrino>ok, sorry if i am bugging you, i am new to linux. How do i know which library files are associated with a particular program and needed during installation?
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22:03<abrotman>neutrino: aptitude show <program> would show you the packages it depends/recommends
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22:04<neutrino>abrotman, thanks for your help.
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22:35<vinicius>hi... does anyone know what does this means? wlan0: No active IBSS STAs - trying to scan for other IBSS networks with same SSID
22:35<vinicius>and how i can solve it?
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23:16<bpun>anyone here uses freenode?
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23:23<bpun>this channel is so dry! ... are most of you developers here? who's better you guys or freenode's #debian?
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23:27<sney>bpun: depends on the day, I guess?
23:27<sney>this is the Official #debian
23:27<sney>but since both channels are just frequented by volunteers, the quality/quantity of support will just vary with who's awake when you're in need
23:28<bpun>sney, are there other popular #debian channels besides freenode and ofc?
23:28<sney>erm, there might be one on efnet? I don't know though
23:29<sney>were you having a problem, or are you just collecting irc channels? ;)
23:29<bpun>sney, so does anyone in here use a factoid bot too?
23:29<sney>we have dpkg
23:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
23:30<dpkg>somebody said freenode was a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an IRC network,, and you can visit their web page at You may be connected to Freenode. See also <oftc> and <fact sharing>.
23:30<sney>dpkg knows many things.
23:30<dpkg>i haven't a clue, sney
23:30<bpun>i wont abuse it
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