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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-09-26

---Logopened Sat Sep 26 00:00:04 2009
00:00<sney>those are just prepackaged gnome and kde
00:00<sney>ubuntu didn't do anything special beyond theming
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00:01<sney>I used to be on a distro team that was working towards a real desktop-oriented linux os, but it fell apart.
00:02<sney>ah, volunteer software development.
00:02<sney>now I just use debian and wash my hands of the whole activism thing
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00:04<FedeFrede>u know what i mean, and so do i :P ... linux is not easy to use if you're not a nerd or something.. normal ppl dont want to use an hour to install ...emm skype, Ubuntu.. And Kbuntu are trying very hard to make this gui...
00:04<FedeFrede> ;)
00:07<FedeFrede>you know ... it's art to write n gui... could you do it ? collect ll that mess into candy ? ;)
00:07<sney>nah, I'm not visually talented
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00:10<dpkg>hello, shaun_
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00:13<dpkg>hello, k1lumin4t1
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00:16<vortek>hello L
00:17<vortek>Im having problems mounting my windowsxp partition, it always hangs at NTFS displays t lines of ino and just hangs there. Any ideas?
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00:17<vortek>displays 2 lines about ntfs mount info
00:19<k1lumin4t1>vortek, what about giving us more info about it
00:20<vortek>im trying to rember what it siad, but it locks up on loading the ntfs driver no error msg
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00:21<vortek>just gives the info about :loading ntfs: blah and hangs there
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00:23<k1lumin4t1>vortek, on the shell?
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00:25<vortel>k1lumin4t1: yes the shell
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00:26<vortek>its like its trying to mount it and just hangs there for ever
00:26<k1lumin4t1>vortek, try pressing enter
00:26<k1lumin4t1>vortek, and see if it goes back to prompt
00:26<vortek>tried that
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00:27<vortek>even tried control c
00:27<vortek>t just hangs
00:28<vortek>let me try something brb
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01:02<Ctacok>Russian chanel ?
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01:03<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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01:15<beer>since koffice 1.6 (kde 3 version) has been removed from squeeze will koffie 2 (kde4 version) replace it in squeeze at some time?
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01:50<viley>Is the amd64 compatible with an intel64bit chip or should i be download ia64?
01:51<dpkg>from memory, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>.
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01:51<vortek>wtf heh
01:52<vortek>anyone got a awnser to my question? :)
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01:53<vortek>or is there a place i can manualy set my ip and dns info ?
01:53<petemc> /etc/network/interfaces
01:53<petemc> /etc/resolv.conf
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01:55<gsimmons>vortek: Did you resolve your earlier NTFS mount issue?
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01:55<vortek>it fixed itself :)
01:58<vortek>whats the format for network interfaces to type it>
01:59<gsimmons>vortek: man interfaces
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02:03<vortek>what aout resolv.conf ?
02:03<petemc>its a file
02:04<petemc>but then, what isnt?
02:04<petemc>bonus points for not mentioning network interfaces
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02:22<mr_h0nk>good morning everyone!
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03:57<vortek>For some reason my wireless wont work in debian, works in xp though :(. I tried static ip and no luck an dhcp doesnt find a lease and wont connect. any ideas?
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03:59<gsimmons>vortek: AIUI, the bcm43xx driver in kernel 2.6.22 still had transmission power issues. As a workaround, move closer to the access point. Also, is your network WPA encrypted?
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04:00<vortek>nope not wpa also in in the same room as it
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04:00<vortek>should i try the newer kernel ?
04:03<vortek>i dont know what to do
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04:42<m3onh0x84>i busy, sorry :D
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05:00<Cool>airmon-ng start wlan0
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05:08<vortek>im having trouble locating the latest kernel image, and headers. just has the instaler kernel. anyone help me please?
05:10<Lethalman>vortek, look for linux-image
05:10<cahoot>vortek: aptitude show linux-image gives you no choice?
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05:10<cahoot>vortek: aptitude search linux-image gives you no choice?
05:10<vortek>not in linux i need the new kernel image for my wireless card
05:10<Lethalman>oh the .31 you mean?
05:10<cahoot>what card - what's 'new'?
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05:11<cahoot>vortek: what's the pciid of the card?
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05:11<gsimmons>vortek: Did you try moving your wireless device close to the access point, as previously advised?
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05:12<vortek>dell wireless 1370
05:12<cahoot>vortek: what's the pciid of the card?
05:12<vortek>im in a nursing home heh cant do that
05:12<vortek>no sure
05:15<cahoot>vortek: pastebin the output of hwinfo --netcard
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05:15<vortek>im in windows now
05:15<vortek>cant get online with linux
05:16<gsimmons>vortek: Your device's PCI-Id is 14e4:4318.
05:16<vortek>i was told the 2.6.22 kernel has prob with my card so im trying to use to find a newer image but cant seem to find one
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05:17<vortek>gsimmons: thanxs
05:17<cahoot>so b43 + b43-fwcutter is what you need I'd guess
05:17<vortek>i got them
05:17<vortek>but cant grab dhcp
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05:18<vortek>it works in xp though so i know the card works, i just need a newer kernel
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05:18<vortek>but for some reason wont find it. any sugestions.
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05:19<cahoot>vortek: 2.6.22 is the defualt kernel for lenny?
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05:20<vortek>ah i found it
05:20<vortek>cahoot nah its an old install
05:20<gsimmons>cahoot: For your information, vortek currently has a Debian system somewhere between oldstable and stable (outdated sid), which explains the use of a 2.6.22 kernel.
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05:21<vortek>will the kernel image update my drivers
05:21<vortek>or do i need the headers too?
05:21<cahoot>gsimmons: so a 2.6.29 or so would imply need of more updates than the kernel-image?
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05:23<cahoot>vortek: according to - the b43 in later kernels should suffice - i e no need for headers
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05:24<vortek>welp im off to try this kernel thanxs for the advice :)
05:25<cahoot>vortek: 'later' being >=2.6.24
05:25<gsimmons>cahoot: Not sure I follow you. vortek should at least update to stable before even considering a kernel > 2.6.26.
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05:26<cahoot>gsimmons: I guess the trick would be to upgrade w/o functional netconnection
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05:28<flexy>My boot gets stuck WHEN I have non present HDD in /etc/fstab, which should be automounted at boot. Only one partiotion, xfs fs.
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05:29<flexy>Can anyone confirm this by booting with something like "/dev/sdc1 /media/bigfiles2 xfs defaults,allocsize=512m,noatime,nodiratime,logbufs=8 0 3" in fstab?
05:30<flexy>naturally /dev/sdc1 modified to something not present in the system
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05:30<flexy>I had to magic sysrq E to get the boot forward
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05:31<flexy>to a situation that I can login
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05:38<vortek>im back heh
05:38<vortek> says :linux-image-2.6.30-1-686
05:38<vortek> Package not available
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05:39<vortek>when i try to select linux-image-2.6-686
05:39<vortek>any ideas
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05:39<Rhonda>vortek: What do you have in your sources.list?
05:39<vortek>im in windows
05:40<Rhonda>Where does say that a package is not available?
05:40<vortek>im trying to get the latest kernel image dl'd and xferd to my linux partition so i can get my wireless card working
05:40<Rhonda>... for which distribution?
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05:42<Rhonda>Because it's linux-image-2.6.30-2-686. If you use unstable you are though expected to figure out things like that on your own ...
05:43<Rhonda>It seems the linux-latest package hasn't got adopted yet. Things like that happen in unstable, that's why it has the name. :)
05:43<gsimmons>vortek: Please consider using linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 instead.
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05:45<Rhonda>Besides I'm not sure if using the latest kernel would really make your wireless work. I'd expect you might also need the firmware-linux package which is in non-free, or depending on your wireless card some other specific module package.
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05:47<Rhonda>oh, bcm43xx? You most probably need the fwcutter package for that, then.
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06:11<vortek>heh i get an error with the new kernel and my wireless dont even work now. when i run; ifconfig eth1 up; i get some sort of scioflags error or something and the card wont work now
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06:12<vortek>the new kernel was suposed to fix my card cuase the driver in the 2.6.22 kernel was buggy
06:12<vortek>but now i cant even use the card
06:12<gsimmons>vortek: The b43 driver uses the mac80211 stack. Your device should be using the wlanX interface naming convention (e.g. wlan0). Additionally, you'll need to supply version 4 firmware for use by this driver.
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06:13<cahoot>is a complete reinstall using squeeze already discarded?
06:15<vortek>gsimmons: i was using these
06:15<vortek>i take it this guide is wrong?
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06:15<gsimmons>vortek: It's correct for the bcm43xx driver. For b43, see
06:16<vortek>wich do i have>?
06:16<vortek>im confused now heh
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06:17<gsimmons>vortek: If you're using the 2.6.26 kernel, you have b43. bcm43xx is the deprecated driver, which is disabled in Debian kernels >= 2.6.24 (was removed from mainline in 2.6.26).
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06:22<vortek>404 not found
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06:22<gsimmons>vortek: bz2, not bz.
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06:27<vortek>gsimmons: how do i know the location of driver/wl_apsta_mimo.o
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06:28<gsimmons>vortek: It's wherever you placed it within your Windows system, relative to the mount point used in your Debian system.
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06:29<vortek>its not in the guide though the file
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06:30<vortek>oh i see
06:30<vortek>ok wish me luck im off to debian
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07:06<sander_m>Hi. I have installed the latest version of Firefox manually to /opt/firefox and I have updated the /usr/bin/firefox symlink to point there. Is there any way to prevent that the symlink gets changed back to iceweasel when an update for iceweasel is available? I can't remove iceweasel because this is a multi-user system and other people still use it.
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07:07<cwood_>sander_m: you can use the alternatives system to set it manually to always point to /opt/firefox/firefox, iirc.
07:08<flexy>sander_m: set PATH to include /home/user/bin and set the symlink there
07:08<patrikf>have a look at dpkg-divert as well
07:08<sander_m>Thanks all.
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07:14<sander_m>Hmm... `dpkg -L /usr/bin/firefox` says the file is not installed so I assume it's not installed by a package then? Can IceWeasel itself create that symlink?
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07:30<xeon-enouf>sander_m: dpkg -S filename
07:30<xeon-enouf>sander_m: dpkg -L pkgname
07:31<xeon-enouf>sander_m: iceweasel: /usr/bin/firefox
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07:35<sander_m>xeon-enouf: Duh! I'm dumb. Thanks :-)
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07:40<amao>any one here?
07:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
07:41<xeon-enouf>sander_m: i use dlocate ;-)
07:42<amao>first time here
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07:42<xeon-enouf>sander_m: once installed; update-dlocatedb (and needs to run if your regularly scheduled /etc/cron.daily hasn't yet run)
07:43<sander_m>xeon-enouf: Thanks. I'll give it a try
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07:53<mjt>what's THE sound server in Debian, if any?
07:53<mjt>like, "preferred"
07:55<vik>I am trying to install debian with "netinstall" through wifi connection. My wifi card is detected, but it does not give me any of the available networks (there are plenty of them here...) and even entering the essid manually does not help...
07:55<mjt>there are pulseaudio, esd, jackd, gstreamer and other
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07:56<dr|z3d>mjt: pulse, or alsa.
07:56<mjt>dr|z3d: alsa is not a server.
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07:57<cahoot>mjt: you need one?
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07:57<mjt>cahoot: when there are several PCs out there, some diskless some not, with multiple locations of /home etc, one usually needs some way to manage "local" audio which becomes non-local.. ;)
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07:58<mjt>ideally i want sound to play on the same machine $DISPLAY points at. But X does not have built-in mechanism for this.
07:59<mjt>yeah, another sound daemon.
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08:02<mjt>and even more ideally, I want a way to switch audio output to another destination for a given, say, firefox^Wiceweasel window... Am I dreaming too much? :)
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08:05<xeon-enouf>vik: /msg dpkg wifi howto (is all i can offer)
08:07<mjt>vik: btw, wifi cards has to be managed somehow. wiicd i think
08:07<mjt>or wicd
08:07<dr|z3d>Was going to say, wicd seems better for some than Gnome's Network Manager..
08:07<mjt>but i've no idea if it's supported by netinstall
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08:10<valdyn>mjt: pulseaudio does all this
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08:10<mjt>i once tried to set it up but failed. Ie, it refused to work even locally, giving me various "permission denied" and the like errors.
08:11<mjt>but it was some 5 years ago
08:11<dr|z3d>pulse has come a _long_ way since then.
08:12<mjt>exec su -
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08:35<Nehyx>hosam: hello
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08:35<hosam>h r u&?
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08:36<Nehyx>hosam: have you got debian's any releated question?
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08:38<hosam>how to install yahoo messenger and some video codex
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08:40<Nehyx>hosam: Did you try Pidgin, is supports yahoo protocol
08:40<pugmonger>If that is a question, it is 'how do you' not 'how to'
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08:42<hosam>codex ?
08:42<Nehyx>hosam: I don't know if is yahoo's official programm for gnu/linux, but maybe you can install it with wine. And as I said, you can use different programms for connect there, for example pidgin.
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08:44<hosam>what about video codec?
08:45<Nehyx>hosam: wich one?
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09:14<erKURITA>Does rsync have an option to delete non-existant files? As in, if the file in the host does not exist in the server (which is mandatory), it is deleted.
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09:15<themill>other than --delete?
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09:15<erKURITA>uhm, let's give it a try
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09:20<erKURITA>hoho, exactly what I needed
09:20<erKURITA>Thank you very much themill :D
09:21*themill offers erKURITA a battered, dog-eared copy of man rsync.
09:21<themill>no worries
09:21<erKURITA>I didn't understand the "extraneous" word :(
09:21<erKURITA>It scared me
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09:27<flexy>My boot gets stuck WHEN I have non present HDD in /etc/fstab, which should be automounted at boot. Only one partiotion, xfs fs.
09:27<flexy>Can anyone confirm this by booting with something like "/dev/sdc1 /media/bigfiles2 xfs defaults,allocsize=512m,noatime,nodiratime,logbufs=8 0 3" in fstab?
09:27<flexy>naturally /dev/sdc1 modified to something not present in the system
09:27<flexy>I had to magic sysrq E to get the boot forward
09:27<flexy>to a situation that I can login
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09:39<erin>hey peeps how do i rebuild my modules for my new kernel i installed?
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09:40<Villarroel>O hai!
09:40<cahoot>erin: why?
09:40<erin>cause they wont run
09:40<erin>i cant start X
09:40<erin>nvidia drivers. i need them rebuild for my new kernel
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09:41<cahoot>erin: try /msg dpkg nvidia
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09:48<pzn>I installed debian with ltsp 3 years ago, and server and clients are still running ok without upgrades today. I'd like to upgrade it, to support mounting pendrives and using sound of the remote machine. Is today ltsp a good solution or is there other alternatives?
09:49<Villarroel>I have a problem, my filesystem (ext3) get corrupted, i think, the revision is too high (538679105.8192 and should be 1.0, i think) can't fsck'it.
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09:49<dr|z3d>Villarroel: touch /checkfsck and reboot
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09:50<Villarroel>dr|z3d: can't mount the filesystem.
09:50<Villarroel>I'm now, on a lenny debian-live upgraded e2fsprogs from sid, thinking that was the problem.
09:50<dr|z3d>Villarroel: Sounds like you're going to need a Live disc and some chroot love.
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09:52<cahoot>dr|z3d: forcefsck?
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09:54<Villarroel>Can I downgrade ext4 to ext3 ?
09:55<Villarroel>I think I messed up.
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09:55<mjt>Villarroel: if you created it as ext4, the answer is "no"
09:55<mjt>Villarroel: but if you created it as ext3 and mounted as ext4, it MAY be mountable as ext3 still.
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09:56<Villarroel>mjt, I think I do not create it as ext4, but mounted as ext4./
09:56<Villarroel>mjt: ok.
09:56<mjt>so just try mounting it as ext3
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09:56<mjt>and see ext4 docs - in e2fsprogs and in kernel
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09:57<mjt>there are some topics covering your question
09:57<Villarroel>I get an "unsupported optional features" error.
09:57<xeon-enouf>dpkg ext3->ext4
09:57<dpkg>To enable <ext4> features on an existing unmounted <ext3> file system (kernel 2.6.28 or later required): 'tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index /dev/hda1' (where hda1 is the partition containing the ext3 file system), then 'e2fsck -fD /dev/hda1' to fix modified on-disk structures. Don't forget to modify /etc/fstab and specify ext4 for the file system. Some ext4 features (e.g. flex_bg) can only be enabled during format via mke2fs.
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09:57<xeon-enouf>dpkg ext4->ext3
09:58<dpkg>ext4->ext3 is, like, not possible. Once extents are enabled, it is an ext4 filesystem and cannot be reverted to ext3.
09:58<xeon-enouf>Villarroel: ^^
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09:58<SQlvpapir>you can convert both ext3 and ext4 to btrfs. new disk format requires .31 kernel though, and the tools in debian unstable are not compatible with current kernel
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09:59<xeon-enouf>why not just start out with butter? ;-)
09:59<cahoot>solid advice
10:00<xeon-enouf>for testing porpoises ofcourse
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10:00<SQlvpapir>you can even revert to extN if you dont like it
10:00<SQlvpapir>requires you to backup changes though
10:01<Villarroel>I installed e2fsprogs from sid, and fsck.ext4 output a superblock error, I think the filesystem get corrupted.
10:01<Villarroel>Like I said, the revision is TOO high.
10:02<xeon-enouf>your inodes likely doubled in size :-P
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10:08<Villarroel>I dd some bytes from the partition, file it and says is ext2 with revision, HUGENUMBER.8192 (also says, ext2 data) then I mkfs.ext4 on some empty (non block device) file, file says is ext4 with revision 1.0, can't fsck it, and mount says, he does not know filesystem type ext4. That's crazy, I think the partition got corrupted, I don't know if I can do anything to save the data.
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10:12<cousin___avi>hey folks. is anyone interested in helping me installing old nvidia drivers in debian lenny
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10:12<xeon-enouf>Villarroel: uname -r says? lenny's kernel only has ext4dev, and it's not supposed to be used (buggy)
10:13<mjt>cousin___avi: interested?? :-P
10:13<xeon-enouf>cousin___avi: you need the source from sid, IINM
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10:13<mjt>xeon-enouf: source for what?
10:13<cousin___avi>@xeon-enouf thought about this solution too... do i have to add sid sources in my menu.lst... is this correct?
10:13<xeon-enouf>judd: versions nvidia-kernel-source-legacy
10:13<judd>xeon-enouf: nvidia-kernel-source-legacy --
10:14<Villarroel>xeon-enouf: is lenny debian-live, and the kernel is 2.6.26-2-686
10:14<xeon-enouf>judd: versions nvidia-kernel-source
10:14<judd>xeon-enouf: nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 185.18.36-2
10:14<Villarroel>Maybe I have to compile the ext4dev module.
10:14<xeon-enouf>judd: versions nvidia-kernel-legacy-source
10:14<judd>xeon-enouf: nvidia-kernel-legacy-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.7184-3
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10:14<cousin___avi>i need the legacy-71xx-kernel soruce
10:14<Villarroel>Or find a newer debian-live.
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10:15<xeon-enouf>Villarroel: you don't want ext4dev - and how did your FS go from being corrupt to becoming ext4?
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10:15<Villarroel>xeon-enouf: I think I changed the type on fstab.
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10:15<cousin____avi>damn, had a disconnect.
10:16<xeon-enouf>Villarroel: that in and of itself would only cause an error
10:16<francesco>hi. Where can i get help for wifi and debian ? (i have a Ralink. I think a rt2780)
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10:17<gsimmons>dpkg: tell francesco -about rt2870
10:17<user01>i am having a strange phenomena . . . i edit my interfaces file for a different wireless id, i do ifdown eth1 , then ifup eth1 and it appears to try to connect to the old wireless, but if i reboot at that point, it connects to the one i edited to . . . why cant i just connect without rebooting?
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10:18<Villarroel>xeon-enouf: Maybe it just got corrupted, maybe not cleanly unmounted.
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10:19<user01>is there a a step besides ifdown that i need to do? it looks like it still tries to connect to instead of if i dont reboot
10:19<Villarroel>xeon-enouf: I did that (change the type on fstab) on another machine and get no errors.
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10:20<francesco>dpkg is a nice bot
10:20<dpkg>francesco: I give up, what is it?
10:20<xeon-enouf>cousin____avi: all you need is some sid source§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx
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10:21<user01>maybe it is during bootup . . . because my computer starts booting up and since i know it is not the right wireless i do cntl + c when it tries to load network
10:21<user01>then i edit interfaces
10:21<Villarroel>I screwed it up.
10:21<xeon-enouf>Villarroel: you're not making sense to me - apologies
10:21<user01>then i do ifup eth1
10:21<Villarroel>xeon-enouf: it's ok.
10:21<user01>then i do ifdown eth1
10:21<user01>ifup eth1
10:22<xeon-enouf>changing fstab on a FS with option noauto would result in no errors
10:22<user01>and then it looks like it is trying to connect to 10.0.01
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10:22<user01>but if i reboot it connects automatically (since i had already changed interfaces)
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10:23<xeon-enouf>cousin____avi: try to follow what /msg dpkg nvidia tells you
10:23<bja>user01: take a look at man iwconfig your problem should be addressed there
10:23<user01>is there a file maybe that keeps the bad (old) domain of 10.0.1
10:23<xeon-enouf>at the wiki
10:23<user01>ok thanks
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10:24<user01>man or info ? i thought man pages were outdated
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10:24<dr|z3d>man is very much alive and current.
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10:26<francesco>gsimmons: i know that documentation (i have a Ralink rt2780)
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10:26<francesco>after i load module i can find interface
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10:28<cousin____avi>installed the kernel module and legacy driver from sid.. X server starts and freezes by starting login screen... any ideas?
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10:30<EZmoney>my last dist-upgrade did that (freeze on login) 2 reboots and now it seems ok
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10:31<cousin____avi>two reboots? i'll give that a try..
10:31<EZmoney>yeah locked twice
10:31<user01>bja, so were you referring to the iwconfig ap option?
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10:31<EZmoney>that went on to desktop
10:32<bja>user01: yes
10:32<cousin____avi>first reboot done, freeze again... rebooting...
10:32<user01>bja, ok thanks!
10:32<Villarroel>xeon-enouf: Maybe this will make more sense,
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10:36<cousin____avi>uummm.. rebooting doesn't fix the problem... old nvidia cards are bad... :(
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10:37<EZmoney>have you tried dist-upgrade at the login screen?
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10:40<_cerberus_>Hi guys, I have bit of a problem I'm hoping you can help me with. I recently installed Debian 5.03 using a minimal boot CD then setup a basic gnome desktop enviroment. I then attempted to install KDE but that failed due to a lack of diskspace. No I can't run apt-get to remove the parts of KDE which did install because it complains that dpkg was interrupted and I need to run dpkg --configure -a, but this fails because there's not enoug
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10:40<cousin____avi>@ EZ money.. no. i'll give it a try
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10:42<EZmoney>_cerberrus_ is that all you have on the drive? how large is the drive?
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10:43<xeon-enouf>cousin____avi: you sure? is "nvidia" in your xorg.conf? ado you see the splash at bootup?
10:43<_cerberus_>@EZmoney: There is a small partition of ~4.5GB which I used for the install. On top of this is another 5GB for /home
10:44<bja>_cerberus_: df -h gives you a hint on the space you have on all partitions, try moving some info arround so you have enough space
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10:45<EZmoney>so the whole drive is 10gb?
10:45<_cerberus_>@bja: moving what around though? Only the main system files exist in the directory.
10:45<_cerberus_>@EXMoney: No, there's also a 70G NTFS partition on the same drive with windows installed on it.
10:45<dpkg>@ is used to separate the username from the hostname in an email address, to denote channel operators on IRC, and to direct replies to particular users in some web forums. It is NOT used to direct replies on IRC; use "name: ..." instead of "@name ...".
10:46<_cerberus_>bja: sorry
10:46<bja>_cerberus_: how many partitions do you have?
10:46<EZmoney>ah ok dual boot on one drive,I would use just a 10GB partition
10:47<cousin____avi>ezmoney: dist-upgrade not possible. cause it's debian lenny...
10:47<valdyn>cousin____avi: apt-get autoclean
10:47<EZmoney>ah ok cousin____avi
10:47<_cerberus_>bja: four on that drive. /, /home, swap and windows
10:47<xeon-enouf>Villarroel: that's explains quite a bit indeed
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10:48<bja>_cerberus_: apt-cache clean should free some space up so you can work things around
10:48<_cerberus_>EZmoney: I prefer to keep /home separate so I can keep my data when things go wrong.
10:49<EZmoney>ok try apt-get autoclean
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10:49<_cerberus_>bja: that failed, unable to write mmap
10:50<EZmoney>4.5gb is always to small these days for me
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10:50<_cerberus_>EZmoney: same error as previous attempts to run apt-get, it tells me to run dpkg --configure -a
10:50<EZmoney>6Gb at the least for install if i don't split up /root /usr /home
10:50<_cerberus_>yeah, I'm figuring that.
10:51<_cerberus_>It's enough if you only install one of the WM giants, not enough if you want both it turns out
10:51<EZmoney>do you have a live cd with gparted on it
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10:52<EZmoney>I myself would reinstall with 6GB /root /swap? /home 3GB or what ever it needs to be
10:53<_cerberus_>I might have one somewhere but I'm still constrained to the 10GB or so available to the linux partitions, I'd rather not try and resize and NTFS partition (Last I heard that wasn't even possible)
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10:53<EZmoney>but I use a seperate drive these days linux or Microsoft
10:54<_cerberus_>I might need to, but as I only have the minimal install that means waiting for a painfully slow download (took about 2 hours last time)
10:54<bja>_cerberus_: go to /var/cache/apt/archives
10:54<EZmoney>no resize to ntfs
10:54<EZmoney>just clean the linux part and reinstall
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10:54<bja>_cerberus_: and delete everithing in there that is the cache of the packages you downloaded, it is safe to delete
10:54<dr|z3d>_cerberus_: Resizing your ntfs partition is easy to do.
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10:55<cousin___avi>apt-get autoclean has no effect
10:55<_cerberus_>bja: Cheers really should have thought of that
10:55<cousin___avi>modprobe nvidia does not show anything
10:56<dr|z3d>_cerberus_: Note that if you have a big partition with lots of data on it, it may take some time and appear to hand. In no event think to abort the process, even if it appears frozen.
10:56<xeon-enouf>Villarroel: i have no idea offhand how to help get you out of it, buthave you reviewed e2fsprogs changelogs? also; tried 'e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/hda2' ? 'e2fsck -b 16386 /dev/hda2' ? you have a fsck.ext3?
10:56<dr|z3d>*appear to have stalled
10:56<EZmoney>yes a Gparted live cd works great for resizing partitions
10:56<cousin___avi>how do i activate the nvidia module?
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10:57<EZmoney>what video card do you have?
10:57<xeon-enouf>Villarroel: but using fsck.ext4 on a non-ext4 FS is useless ;-) unless you converted it at one time, it's just a corrupt <whatever-FSType-it-was>
10:57<Villarroel>xeon-enouf: I will try, that and maybe a script that changes the starting block.
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10:57<cousin______avi>how do i activate the nvidia module?
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10:58<xeon-enouf>Villarroel: aye - also see gddrescue pkg, and maybe testdisk's photorec util, and /msg dpkg undelete
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11:00<Villarroel>xeon-enouf: from e2fsck man page: 4k block size filesystem have superblock backup on block 32768 ! yay
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11:01<nicolas>Hi, I'm trying to use a printer through an usb-serial converter. I was able to make the converter work with this webpage ( ). But then I am stuck. It creted a new port in cups "Serial port USB #1" but I am unable to setup anything more through it. Any idea ?
11:01<cousin_____avi>ezmoney: very funny :) ... indeed i am working with that help... but lenny and old nvidia cards suck
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11:02<xeon-enouf>_cerberus_: install/use localepurge
11:02<cousin_____avi>"modprobe nvidia" gives nothing. any help for that
11:03<xeon-enouf>cousin_____avi: no error == good ;-)
11:03<xeon-enouf>lsmod | grep nvidia
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11:04<xeon-enouf>cousin_____avi: i got my (32M agp) tnt2 pro to work sometime back
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11:05<cousin_____avi>nvidia 3917928 6; agpgart 28808 2 nvidia, via_agp
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11:05<cousin_____avi>burt i have a pci card.
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11:05<EZmoney>I also tnt 2 and a GF2
11:06<cousin_____avi>got a GF2 GTS
11:06<francesco>hi. Where can i get help for wifi and debian ? i have a Ralink. I think a rt2870. I tried some guide but i have confusion about rt2870sta and rt2870usb
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11:06<EZmoney>I think I just installed it from synaptic -old nvidia
11:07<EZmoney>good rid of all my older hardware
11:07<EZmoney>so it's not here for me to refer too
11:07<cousin_____avi>ok thanks
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11:08<gsimmons>francesco: You'll need to be more specific regarding your issue. As rt2800usb is still very new/buggy, use the rt2870sta driver.
11:08<EZmoney>I'm using on board 6150 with 180 driver ver.
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11:09<cousin_____avi>got a working xserver... login works... waiting... i am currently switching between Xserver and consoles
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11:10<cousin_____avi>xserver crashed... aarrrgh
11:11<valdyn>francesco: you shouldnt need to mess with those details, just install the firmware, thats all
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11:11<francesco>i'm on debian sid
11:12<francesco>i installed ralink 2.2 sta driver
11:12<francesco>no error
11:12<_cerberus_>EZmoney:bja: Thanks, I cleared the cache directory as bja suggested which allowed me to remove the broken packages and uninstall the mess which was almost KDE.
11:12<francesco>i load it but no new interface found
11:12<valdyn>francesco: is the firmware-ralink package installeD?
11:12<francesco>yes it is
11:13<francesco>but i don't think i need it cause i compile the driver from ralink site
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11:13<valdyn>francesco: read dmesg, replug teh device, read dmesg again, paste the output
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11:14<francesco>thank :)
11:14<francesco>where i can past it ?
11:14<francesco>here or on a site ?
11:14<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
11:15<gsimmons>francesco: There should not have been any requirement to install Ralink's driver, as this is essentially included as rt2870sta in mainline's staging tree (including Debian kernel images).
11:16<valdyn>i guess the device is already working fine however
11:16<valdyn>or *was*
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11:16<valdyn>till he broken it with ralinks driver
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11:17<valdyn>francesco: ok, now the output of ifconfig -a
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11:20<francesco>it show only my 2 eth card
11:20<valdyn>francesco: yea
11:21<rbrito>I'm trying to make a QT application use the same look as a GTK+ application.
11:21<rbrito>Is there anybody that has experience with this?
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11:21<rbrito>I'm not using any desktop environment, just a plain window manager.
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11:21<jrabbit>rbrito: uh..
11:22<jrabbit>use the QT-> gtk one
11:22<valdyn>francesco: guess you manually loaded and unloaded rt2870, or some program did, thats useless
11:22<francesco>gsimmons, valdyn: any idea about the problem ?
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11:22<rbrito>I tried reading something about qgtkstyle (which, as I read, is already embedded in QT >= 4.5).
11:22<valdyn>francesco: give us the usb id of that device
11:22<valdyn>francesco: err nm, i can get it myself
11:22<gsimmons>francesco: What device are you attempting to use? (brand and model, revision/version if known). Please also pastebin your lsusb output. It does not appear a driver is claiming your device.
11:22<valdyn>!which driver
11:22<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into . To determine the driver currently associated with an existing network interface: grep PHYSDEVDRIVER /sys/class/net/*/uevent
11:22<jrabbit>rbrito: yeah. that kind f thing.
11:23<valdyn>judd: usb
11:23<judd>valdyn: Error: "usb" is not a valid command.
11:23<rbrito>jrabbit, I did not get exactly what you're saying.
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11:23<jrabbit>rbrito: use those. You need to configure QT/KDE to do that
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11:23<francesco>lsusb ->
11:24<jrabbit>If you don't have the tools to configure QT/KDE ....
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11:24<francesco>the usb wifi is "Edimax EW-7711USn"
11:24<bja>francesco: for clarity purposes, on you paste let the first line be the command you isue, its easier to correlate the information :)
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11:24<rbrito>jrabbit, setting the environment variable as per what is said here doesn't seem to work:
11:25<francesco>ok bja
11:25<Woet>I'm looking for a secure way to execute root commands on another server
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11:25<Woet>would something like keyfiles be good for that?
11:25<rbrito>francesco, If I understand it, you are trying to get some card running?
11:25<francesco>it is a usb wifi adapter
11:25<francesco>"Edimax EW-7711USn"
11:26<rbrito>francesco, If it is an rt2xxx, you probably have to have the firmware on your tree.
11:26<jrabbit>rbrito: just do it correctly and not doing it without a DE. It's not supported probably.
11:26<rbrito>Are you using your own kernel or installing some prepackaged already?
11:26<francesco>rbrito: now i'm using a default 2.30-1 kernel from a debian sid
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11:27<rbrito>jrabbit, what does it "mean *do it correctly*"?
11:27<francesco>with a kt2870sta.ko compiled by me
11:27<jrabbit>rbrito: like having a DE.
11:27<rbrito>Do you have linux-firmware installed?
11:27<rbrito>rbrito, Sorry, I'm too, too oldschool to have a DE installed.
11:27<jrabbit>You don't need to run it but the settings need to be set ;_;
11:28<francesco>but i tried also a vanilla and in the config i could only find 2870usb
11:28<rbrito>francesco, what exactly is the USB dev id and the vendor ID?
11:28<rbrito>You can get it from lsusb.
11:28<rbrito>(NOT lscpi)
11:28<francesco>Bus 001 Device 010: ID 7392:7711
11:28<francesco>i think that it is
11:28<rbrito>If, of course, it loads.
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11:29<rbrito>Do you have the log somewhere?
11:29<rbrito>Do you want me to compile a kernel for you?
11:29<rbrito>(Well, I would need to know what platform you're using, actually).
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11:29<francesco>i just want to make it work some way
11:29<rbrito>What platform are you using?
11:29<francesco>no problem on what way it is
11:30<rbrito>Just a plain amd64, i386, powerpc or arm?
11:30<rbrito>Do you know what module needs to be used?
11:31<valdyn>francesco: debian supports this device just fine. For all we know you just have a broken kernel
11:31<Woet>I'm looking for a secure way to execute root commands on another server automated, would something like keyfiles be good for that?
11:31<francesco>i can reinstall it
11:31<francesco>i read it n
11:31<rbrito>Woet, wouldn't a plain ssh with a script work?
11:32<francesco>and it doesn't work for me
11:32<rbrito>francesco, no, reinstalling is not a good way to learn.
11:32<rbrito>(Supposing, of course, that you have some minutes to learn).
11:32<Woet>rbrito: no, that would require a password you can't submit automatically
11:32<valdyn>francesco: supports in kernel 2.6.30 and up, packages to install are only firmware-ralink and wireless-tools, which are already yon your system
11:32<francesco>i have time
11:33<rbrito>Woet, well, it depends. Are you using a ssh-agent of any sort? If you are, then you can just use a public key to log into the server.
11:33<rbrito>francesco, nice.
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11:34<francesco>rbrito: maybe the driver provided by ralink are the problem
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11:34<francesco>: i download it from ralink site
11:34<francesco>and compile make, make install them
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11:34<rbrito>francesco, I'm not really sure what card you have. I'm trying to see it.
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11:35<rbrito>francesco, I do have an rt2500usb-based card that got me some 4 or so years to have working on Linux.
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11:35<rbrito>francesco, after fighting with it a lot, since I was using that on a powerpc (an old iBook).
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11:36<accol>hey does anyone know where i can find an absolute noobs guide to debian? i installed and when i run it it just put me at a command prompt and i have no idea where to go from there
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11:36<rbrito>but things have improved quite a bit with the ralink drivers.
11:36<valdyn>accol: try running tasksel as root
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11:36<francesco>i hope so
11:36<rbrito>Since they got merged in the main trees of the kernel, things have improved quite a lot.
11:36<accol>yeah i guess that was my question....i've tried doing 'sudo install' commands but it doesnt even recognize sudo
11:37<accol>at least at that prompt
11:37<valdyn>accol: sudo is not installed by default
11:37<accol>oh damn, i have alot to learn haha
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11:37<dpkg>[sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it, ask me about <visudo>.
11:37<rbrito>francesco, Really, things are much easier nowadways. I had to exchange quite a lot of e-mails with Ivo van Doorn, the rt2xxx maintainer
11:37<valdyn>accol: and "aptitude install sudo"
11:38<valdyn>accol: you can use "su" to change to root
11:38<accol>so even though i know this is in the manual...whats the root command (like sudo) when sudo isnt installed?
11:39<valdyn>accol: I just told you
11:39<accol>was typing that
11:40<valdyn>accol: the "make me like ubuntu" command could be "aptitude install gnome gdm xorg sudo", i guess
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11:40<francesco>that is my problem
11:40<rbrito>francesco, what's your current situation? Can you describe what you have already done? What are in your dmesg logs? What does iwconfig say?
11:40<accol>thanks valdyn
11:41<valdyn>francesco: did you read the URL i gave you?
11:41<valdyn>francesco: you device is explicitely supported, you shouldnt have a problem following it
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11:42<francesco>i just installed the las t kernel from rep
11:42<francesco>with header
11:43<francesco>make and make install the driver from ralink (v.2.2)
11:43<francesco>load it
11:43<francesco>but my dmesg is
11:43<rbrito>francesco, which module are you trying to use?
11:43<xeon-enouf>rep? like
11:43<francesco>and my ifconfig :
11:43<gsimmons>francesco: Again, the vendor driver for your device (rt2870sta) is included in Debian kernel images. You should not have been required to do anything out-of-tree.
11:44<rbrito>What is it that doesn't work the way you would like to?
11:44<francesco>ok gsimmons
11:45<francesco>but i doens't work neither with the driver in kernel
11:45<rbrito>francesco, you can try one of the next kernels to be included in Debian...
11:45<rbrito>The one from the kernel team...
11:45<gsimmons>francesco: Did you install the firmware-ralink package, prior to loading of rt2870sta?
11:45<francesco>the problem now is that ifconfig doens't show me now new device
11:46<francesco>and then after
11:46<rbrito>What's the output of iwconfig? (Not ifconfig).
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11:46<rbrito>I'm going to peruse your dmesg log.
11:47<francesco>it show only eth interface like ifconfig
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11:47<francesco>i can reboot if u like a clean onw
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11:50<rbrito>francesco, well, it seems to recognized by the kernel, from the quick look that I gave it.
11:50<francesco>mm good
11:51<rbrito>Please, don't rephrase what the commands say.
11:51<rbrito>If you give us the output of iwconfig, it would be nice.
11:52<rbrito>I'm not sure if you would need to associate with your access point. Do you have any encrypted connection?
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11:52<clarity>man i was so stoned last night
11:52<rbrito>if so, what encryption protocol are you using?
11:53<clarity>fuck wep
11:53<clarity>wpa is better
11:53<rbrito>francesco, no problems.
11:53<rbrito>Can you explicitly give the output of iwconfig wlan0?
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11:54<francesco>francesco@francesco:~$ sudo iwconfig wlan0
11:54<francesco>wlan0 No such device
11:54<rbrito>Hummm, ok. That's good to know.
11:55<rbrito>An lsusb, please?
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11:56<rbrito>Do you have any of the firmware packages already installed?
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11:56<rbrito>(linux-firmware or similars)
11:56<francesco>yes i have the one in the repository
11:56<rbrito>Of course, you would need one that has the ralink firmware for your USB adapter.
11:56<francesco>linux-firmware and firmware-ralink
11:56<rbrito>Which package and which version?
11:56<francesco>firmware-ralink 0.18
11:56<rbrito>You said that you are using sid, right?
11:57<rbrito>OK. That way, I can help you better, since that's what I use.
11:57<francesco>the only thing i do is
11:57<francesco>install the ralink 2.2
11:57<rbrito>(As all packages that I have to upload to the main debian repository have to be built against unstable).
11:58<rbrito>What "ralink 2.2"? An ralink provided driver?
11:58<francesco>so helping me maybe i will help other :)
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11:59<rbrito>I'd say that it would be better to use any of the ones already in Linux.
11:59<rbrito>OK, only as a last resort.
11:59<francesco>how can i uninstall it ?
11:59<rbrito>Let's leave those for a last resort.
11:59<rbrito>to unload a module, just issue:
11:59<rbrito>rmmod <module-name>
12:00<francesco>cause i think ther overwrite kernel ones when i nstalled them
12:00<rbrito>Of course, if the module isn't well written, it can hose your system.
12:00<francesco>so it is better reinstall my kernel from repository ?
12:00<rbrito>Well, you should not have installed the "new" module on top of the existing kernel.
12:01<rbrito>(Actually, to load a module, you *don't* have to have it copied to /lib/modules/*whatever*)
12:01<francesco>it is a bad way use make make install for that purpose ?
12:01<rbrito>You can just use insmod ./module-file
12:02<francesco>ah ok
12:02<francesco>so no make install
12:02<francesco>just make
12:02<rbrito>francesco, Yes, I would say that, unless you're experienced, then it would be better to "stick to the norm".
12:02<francesco>yes i'm in accord with tha t
12:02<francesco>but now how we could proceed ?
12:02<rbrito>Yes, only after you're confident that the module is working is that you should move the driver to where the modules are.
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12:03<rbrito>Regarding what kernel you are using, you can re-install the debian package in many ways.
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12:03<rbrito>The easier one is just to:
12:03<francesco>just aptitude reinsta?
12:03<rbrito>apt-get --reinstall install <package-bla>
12:04<rbrito>dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/<file-containing-the-package>
12:04*dpkg installs /var/cache/apt/archives/<file-containing-the-package> into rbrito's head with a bone saw and a few screws
12:04<rbrito>gee, this bot is asking for trouble. :-)
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12:05<rbrito>francesco, but don't do that (yet).
12:05<francesco>i did
12:05<rbrito>Just give me some time to read your logs.
12:05<rbrito>Ooopss. :-)
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12:05<rbrito>Well, just one step at a given time. :-)
12:05<francesco>but i can reinstall the ralink if u wanta
12:06<rbrito>Just one second.
12:06<francesco>i stay quite now
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12:06<vik__>Can anybody tell me the simplest way to install gnome on debian lenny? (the apt-get install gnome gives a lot of broken references. same happens with apt-get install kde as well)
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12:08<rbrito>francesco, just so you know, you can install an "experimental" (well, not *that* risky, to be honest) kernel from debian's kernel team.
12:09<rbrito>See the snapshots section here:
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12:09<rbrito>vik__, if the packages are broken, then you should file a bug on
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12:10<rbrito>Lenny should still work, despite the fact that it is not the distribution that receives most of the attention...
12:11<rbrito>Oh, sorry.
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12:11<rbrito>Lenny *is* supposed to work.
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12:12<rbrito>If it is not working with the packages in main, then that's a bug of severity "important" or "serious" (assuming, of course, that you are using packages from debian only---not some "alien" versions).
12:12<rbrito>francesco, OK, let's see what your logs say.
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12:15<mattm591>hi. i am having problems with a freh install of debian. when it boots it hangs at the message "unable to enumerate USB device on port 2" and after some time says "Gave up waiting for root device" followed with some other stuff, then "ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist" and it drops me to a shell (busybox)
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12:17<mattm591>does anyone have any ideas what could be going on there?
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12:17<cwood_>mattm591: sounds like a novel variant on the can't find root device issue.
12:17<mattm591>any fix for that?
12:17<cwood_>mattm591: Your kernel can't find/mount the device that init lives on.
12:18<cwood_>I don't know an immediate solution, but it's a fairly easy troubleshoot so far.
12:18<francesco>rbrito: sorry i was at the phone
12:18<mattm591>ok. well it happened the first time i installed. i tried reinstalling and it booted fine. i have since rebooted it a few times and then on the last reboot this happened again
12:18<mattm591>and i've rebooted a few times but the same thing happens
12:18<rbrito>francesco, No problems. I'm reading a little bit of your logs.
12:18<cwood_>mattm591: since it's complaining about usb, perhaps the solution is there. Is your / actually on a usb device, for instance?
12:19<mattm591>cwood_: i also googled it and the best solution i could find was to try adding nousb, but that didn't help at all. no i'm not booting from usb and i have no usb devices attached
12:19<francesco>rbrito: u suggest me to install a new kernel from experimental ?
12:19<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
12:19<rbrito>Just wait a little bit until we know what the problem with sid' kernel is.
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12:20<cwood_>mattm591: did you get the same error with "nousb" on the kernel command line?
12:20<mattm591>cwood_: i tried adding nousb at the end of the boot options but there was no difference
12:20<rbrito>francesco, your device at 3.2 is an USB mouse, is that OK?
12:21<rbrito>Oh, you are using a staging driver!
12:21<rbrito>Oh, those are known to have problems...
12:22<bzzz>dpkg -r brains
12:22*dpkg removes brains along with a pound of flesh from bzzz's body, then staples bzzz back up with a staple gun.
12:22<cwood_>mattm591: you have no usb keyboard, usb camera, usb mouse etc.?
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12:22<mattm591>cwood_: nope. this is a server so i only have a ps/2 keyboard, monitor and lan attached
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12:23<rbrito>francesco, Did you remove the USB adapter and plug it again? (The logs are saying that).
12:23<francesco>ye my mouse it is ok
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12:23<rbrito>OK, nice that it's working.
12:24<cwood_>Hm. Thinking.
12:24<francesco>yes i take off and on many times
12:24<gsimmons>rbrito: Kernel snapshot packages are currently unavailable due to being offline.
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12:24<rbrito>gsimmons, didn't know that (not that I use one of those, but that's nice to know, thanks).
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12:25*rbrito uses git snapshots from Linus' or GregKH's trees.
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12:26<cwood_>mattm591: if you google for that text "unable to enumerate usb device" there's some interesting results. One person on 2008-12-09 said that a cold boot rectified a similar error message.
12:26<rbrito>francesco, the *first* time that you inserted the wifi adaptor, was any wireless module automatically loaded or did you load any module manually?
12:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 406] by debhelper
12:27<mattm591>cwood_: trying that now
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12:28<cwood_>mattm591: can I pm you links?
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12:28<mattm591>cwood_: yes please!
12:28<francesco>i didn't remember
12:28<mattm591>cwood_: also, cold boot didn't work
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12:29<rbrito>francesco, is the machine that you are using now the one that you're trying to use with the wifi adapter?
12:30<rbrito>Humm, I would like everything to be as little invasive as we can. :-/
12:30<rbrito>Without reboots, reinstallation etc.
12:30<rbrito>What is the output of lsusb?
12:30<rbrito>And of lsmod.
12:30<cwood_>mattm591: my first thought is to simply disable usb on the system. Blacklist the modules, rebuild your initrd, and fly without it. Since you don't need it.
12:31<cwood_>mattm591: Another troubleshooting option is to boot with some livecd and see what modules it loads if it boots on your system. Then make sure you have those modules available at boot.
12:31<mattm591>cwood_: i sometimes need to attach usb disks to the server so i couldn't disable it totally. is it possible it has something to do with the sata module not being loaded properly?
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12:32<francesco>lsusb ->
12:32<cwood_>mattm591: if your root device is sata on / then it's definitely a possibility. You could add sata explicitly to /etc/modules and rebuild your initrd.
12:32<rbrito>The device that doesn't have a name in the listing is the one that is not recognized, right?
12:32<francesco>yes it is
12:33<francesco>lsmod ->>>
12:33<mattm591>cwood_: do you know how i'd do that?
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12:34<rbrito>The rt2870sta module is huge, huh?
12:35<francesco>modinfo 2870sta >>>>
12:35<rbrito>Well, let me see the situation of the module upstream.
12:35<rbrito>Oh, great. I was going to ask that.
12:35<mattm591>cwood_: that seems to suggest that the problem was with the sata driver not being loaded, but i don't know how i'd compile it as a module
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12:36<cwood_>mattm591: read the mkinitramfs man page for how to rebuild that. You can always add a separate entry to your grub config so that you don't overwrite a semi-working kernel entry.
12:36<cwood_>reading that
12:36<francesco>i smoke 2 min a cigarete
12:37<rbrito>francesco, Is this module the one that came with the kernel or one that you got from ralink? (I'm guessing the former, due to the version, but just to be sure).
12:37<cwood_>mattm591: also, you likely already have a sata module available to you, it just needs to be in your initrd so that it can be loaded by your kernel.
12:38<cwood_>(Presuming that's the issue.)
12:38<rbrito>Just a sec. I'm my wife is calling me.
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12:39<cwood_>Hehe. Real life intrudes. I'm also frying potatoes for breakfast/lunch.
12:39<mattm591>cwood_: so would putting the sata into the /etc/modules/ folder make it load at boot?
12:40<cwood_>mattm591: two stages. First, list the modules you explicitly need is /etc/modules (it's a file, to my understanding). Second, rebuild your initrd so that the sata driver and module config is there.
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12:48<mattm591>cwood_: ok no joy. i have a 3ware raid card in the server which has 2 disks attached. the boot disk is attached to the onboard sata which is hp (raid disabled). could it be that these 2 are causing it a conflict?
12:49<rbrito>I'm back.
12:49<rbrito>Oh, it seem that francesco is gone.
12:50<gsimmons>rbrito: Yep. According to his modinfo, the driver from Ralink's website was still in use ( versus Debian's 2.6.30-2's
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12:50<cwood_>mattm591: I can't tell you if they are, but if you swap parts you can find out.
12:51<mattm591>cwood_: would it be likely to be the problem?
12:51<rbrito>gsimmons, well, thanks. I was just going to check my git tree to see which usb ids the kernel recognizes...
12:52<rbrito>I'm not quite up-to-date with drivers...
12:52<rbrito>Anyway, I also have a question. :-)
12:52<cwood_>mattm591: by swap parts I mean unplug the raid card, see if you can boot from sata, and so on.
12:53<cwood_>I gather you have no / on the raid card, so that's probably not a boot option though. ^_^
12:53<rbrito>Is there anyone out there that can use qt applications with the gtk look?
12:54<mattm591>cwood_: the disks on the raid aren't even formatted. i shall remove it and see what happens though
12:54<rbrito>(that is, using qt4's qgtkstyle module)?
12:54<rbrito>I have already tried that and I was once able to do that, but it seems that I can't do that anymore...
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12:55*rbrito is going to check if gtk2 is one of the loaded shared objects of qt.
12:55<mattm591>cwood_: would you adam and eve it that worked!
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12:55<mattm591>cwood_: so debian hates my raid card
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12:55<mattm591>cwood_: although it's strange that it has booted a few times with it in
12:56<cwood_>mattm591: not necessarily. It could be that your raid card driver isn't being loaded, or there's some contention somewhere, or somehow your system isn't sure where your / is.
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12:56<cwood_>But why do you have a separate boot disk outside the raid array? Isn't that a single point of failure?
12:56<cwood_>(Obviously the single raid card is too, though.)
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12:56<mattm591>cwood_: i have a 4 port raid card which will (soon) have 4 disks attached. the boot disk doesn't need to be raided so that sits on the onboard sata
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12:57<cwood_>My question is why would a raid card cause a usb error, but I don't know so it's a question. ^_^
12:57<mattm591>cwood_: hehe yes but now i know it's taht google might be more useful!
12:57<cwood_>mattm591: my point was more that if one raid drive fails your machine will still keep running, but if your boot drive fails your whole machine will go down.
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12:58<mattm591>cwood_: yes but it's a file server so its not mission critical. i want the raid on the data drives because it stores all of my media :D which is far more valuable than my debian setup hehe
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12:59<cwood_>Aha, yes.
13:00<mattm591>cwood_: also, the raid card wasn't causing the usb error. i still get that it just keeps going after it without problem
13:00<cwood_>How odd.
13:00<mattm591>cwood_: i think it must be the "gave up waiting for root device" which relates to the 3ware card
13:01<cwood_>Yes, sounds like it at this point.
13:01<cwood_>Now you boot but you have the generic usb error that everybody else has, right?
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13:01<cwood_>Now you boot but you have the generic usb error that everybody else has, right?
13:01<mattm591>cwood_: yes that error i still get
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13:02<mattm591>cwood_: i think i'll try updating the firmware for the card see if that helps
13:03<rbrito>Well, it seems that qt4 is not compiled with gtk. :-/
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13:03<rbrito>I guess that this is compile-time... :-/
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13:04<mattm591>mirc seems to hate windows 7. its crashing every 5 minutes!
13:04<dr|z3d>mattm591: What do we care? This is a Debian channel..
13:04<mattm591>hehe that is a very good point
13:04<mattm591>totally the wrong crowd!
13:05<Nehyx>mattm591: maybe you should use another IRC client, like Xchat or Irssi
13:05<Nehyx>dr|z3d: maybe he wants know anything about how to install debian or else...
13:05<rbrito>Well, I'm going now, people.
13:05<rbrito>So long.
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13:06<cwood_>mattm591: yeah, now that you've fixed your Debian machine, irc from that.
13:06<mattm591>cwood_: terminal only and i'm not fancying using a terminal irc :P
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13:07<cwood_>aaand the on-call batphone goes. Heh.
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13:08<cwood_>mattm591: use irssi, and just standard irc commands.
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13:19<mattm591>cwood_: well i upgraded the firmware and its still failing. so back to the drawing board :Pbut i need to go get some food now so i'll have to leave it till later
13:19<mattm591>cwood_: thanks a lot for your help!
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13:22<cwood_>mattm591: quite welcome, have fun.
13:22<cwood_>mattm591: have you considered blacklisting the raid card module on boot, but loading it up later in the boot sequence?
13:22<cwood_>just a thought.
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13:30<clarity>look at this idiot
13:31<dr|z3d>clarity: What's the Debian angle there?
13:31<clarity>what do you mean
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13:31<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic
13:31<dr|z3d>I mean, what's that article got to do with Debian?
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13:33<clarity>oh nothing
13:33<clarity>pj sjot
13:33<clarity>oh shit sorry
13:33<clarity>wrong channel
13:33<clarity>I <3 debian though
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13:40<warbringer>I went to install the Opera .deb package manually and it failed on dependencies, now when I attempt to install any other package using apt-get install it keeps bringing up the Opera dependencies despite not attempting to install Opera. I have tried to cle
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13:40<warbringer>I have tried to clean/flush apt-get with no success, anyone have any insight?
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13:42<aloeee>try apt-get remove opera
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13:45<warbringer>aloeee - Thank you! Worked like a charm, I am going to take note of that. Thanks again.
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13:50<stuckey>Is opera in debian?
13:50<stuckey>I didn't see it last time I looked
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13:51<warbringer>It's available for download from the main opera site. I can not find it in any distros.
13:51<aloeee>there is a opera repository (
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13:52<drakeman>warbringer, mmm iopera is in the debian repos i guess...
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14:00<stuckey>Opera isn't open-source
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14:02<mattm591>cwood_: you;re a genius! i blacklisted 3w_9xxx and it's all good!!!! now i blacklisted it by adding it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist so do you know what i need to do to have it loaded later in the boot?
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14:03<mattm591>or anyone else for that matter :P
14:04<tsukasa>joining an AP via terminal using iwconfig essis "name" key s:asciikey I get Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
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14:05<cwood_>mattm591: you could install an extra init script to manually modprobe 3w_9xxx and mount your raided partition. Read about /etc/fstab and remember to use "noauto" in the mount options for the raid volume(s).
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14:05<Xeross>Hey Guys, I'm reading about optimizing a linux server and apache etc.
14:05<Xeross>and I found this thing called apt-build
14:06<valdyn>!gentoosmite Xeross
14:06*dpkg spends 8 weeks recompiling Xeross, and when it's all done, Xeross runs no faster than previously
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14:06<bja>tsukasa: check the man page for the correct syntax
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14:06<mattm591>cwood_: thanks. i shall do so. many thanks for all the help, glad i got this sorted!!!
14:06<cwood_>mattm591: quite welcome, educational for me too.
14:07<Xeross>So it basically spends ages recompiling and I gain no performance
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14:08<cwood_>Xeross: sometimes it's useful to have special compile options, so you'd rebuild. However, you'd have to test to see if you get any speed improvement.
14:08<valdyn>Xeross: first of all you would figure out *if* you have a *cpu* bottleneck. *if* that was the case then it *might* be that you can improve that significantly
14:08<valdyn>Xeross: thats alot of ifs
14:09<tsukasa>bja:ya i have googled it and the one post i found said the driver might not support it but i know for a fact it does. which is sudo iwconfig <interface> essid <"essid"> key <hex/ascii - ascii lead with s:>
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14:09<valdyn>Xeross: since were talking about apache your memory and network are more likely to be the bottleneck i guess
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14:09<leper>hello everybody
14:11<Xeross>valdyn: well I was just looking at overall performance increase but primarily apache/php
14:11<tsukasa>bja: also when I do iwlist wlan0 scan it shows no results. When i run a wifi tool i see all the APs which also seems odd
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14:12<valdyn>Xeross: "optimising" isnt free. It's work, its also unupported, it can introduce new bugs
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14:15<valdyn>Xeross: that said, maybe you are using something very heavily where optimising would make sense, like ssl.
14:15<gpm>hi. what's the package that provides a gnome frontend for configuring samba shares?
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14:15<Xeross>I have a heavy server application but that's the only thing that can't be optimized without 100's of hours of digging through and optimizing the source
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14:16<Austin_Guy>hello all
14:16<Austin_Guy>ny one from US?
14:16<gpm>secondly, is it easy/possible to create a guest user with no permanent disk usage (tmpfs?), no password and other restrictions, like ubuntu's guest user?
14:16<Austin_Guy>do we have a regional channel?
14:16<Nehyx>!ask Austin_Guy
14:17<Austin_Guy>hi Nehyx
14:17<Austin_Guy>just installed Ubuntu 9.0
14:17<Austin_Guy>its great
14:17<valdyn>gpm: sure
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14:17<Austin_Guy>will never go back to vista
14:17<Xeross>I hate ubuntu
14:17<Nehyx>Austin_Guy: yes, it's cool, and support in #ubuntu too ;)
14:17<cwood_>Xeross: My experience has been that optimizing the underlying structure will not save you from optimizing the actual server application.
14:18<Austin_Guy>yep agree
14:18<gpm>valdyn: thanks
14:18<Austin_Guy>the pictures and videos are way great compared to shitty windows
14:18<Austin_Guy>no jokes
14:18<gpm>valdyn: how do you go about it? i'm not the best googler but my searches came up dry.
14:18<Austin_Guy>try it out
14:18<Xeross>I hate the I install ubuntu it works, I reinstall ubuntu it doesn't work
14:18<Austin_Guy>i just converted
14:19<Austin_Guy>Xeross try the 9.0
14:19<Austin_Guy>its great
14:19<Nehyx>Austin_Guy: this is debian's support channel, is not ubuntu's general discussion channel.
14:19<Austin_Guy>and will even detect ur wifi
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14:19<Austin_Guy>sory Nehyx
14:19<Austin_Guy>sorry about that
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14:19<Austin_Guy>Ubuntu runs on debian
14:19<Nehyx>no problem, try in #ubuntu-offtopic
14:19<Austin_Guy>so i heard
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14:20<Xeross>Ubuntu is based on debian afaik, but I prefer debian over ubuntu
14:20<tsukasa>it is debian baased
14:20<gpm>oh irc pests, how i've missed you
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14:20<Austin_Guy>ok guys will leave u alone
14:20<gpm>valdyn: thanks, your reply was really helpful.
14:20<Nehyx>I have debian, ubuntu, puppy...
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14:20<Nehyx>Austin_Guy: bye
14:20<tsukasa>Austin come fix my wifi xD
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14:22<Wooga>how do i enable ctrl-alt-backspace killing X-server in new halish way of configuring xorg?
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14:24<cwood_>Wooga: try googling, there's documents on that.
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14:28<dkr>I didn't know there was a halish way. I just use DontZap option, :)
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14:28<Wooga>halish way is forced as default since last xorg update in squeeze
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14:30<Wooga>at least, all keyboard configuration is taken by /etc/default/console-setup & hal
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14:37<linked>hi, i'm back. got xserver to respond, everything appears ok on that front for now i guess? so orange still shows up pink. should i try radeonhd instead of fglrx?
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14:44<sebo>girdi sonun da yahu
14:44<dr|z3d>English please, sebo.
14:45<sebo>türkce biliyorsak ne olacak
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14:45<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, tr is türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on, or
14:45<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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14:46<sebo>sorunlara cevap vermiyecekmisiniz bu nebiçim özgürlük yahu
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14:46<sebo>ve özgürlük anlayışı
14:46<dr|z3d>sebo: türkçe yardIm için (
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14:47<sebo>burda niye olmuyor anlamıyorum
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14:47<dr|z3d>!ops turkish overload
14:47<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dr|z3d complains about: turkish overload
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14:47<LoRez>sebo: english please.
14:49<sebo>eniyisi ben pardusa geceyim siz gelin #pardus sa ingilizce konuşun yahu
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14:55<leper>wich is the best network manager for you??, i can't connect knework manager, and wicd no recognize wireless, i'm on kde
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15:04<steffan>Hi - I'm trying to use multiple IPs on a server. I've configured /etc/network/interfaces using a tutorial and the file is pasted at I've binded a IRC daemon to it (with no errors) but cannot connect to it. I'm recieving 'Connection Refused' when I attempt to connect. Is that a problem with /etc/network/interfaces?
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15:06<petemc>steffan: do you have a /29 ?
15:06<petemc>if so, the netmask should be
15:07<steffan>petemc: We have the IPs .86/.87/.88/.89/.90, but only .86 is working.
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15:08<bliss>why am i here always ! :(
15:08<bja>bliss: its a bug on your irc client
15:08<bja>check the config file for it and correct as needed
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15:08<bja>steffan: on what ip did you bind your ircd
15:08<bliss>or i think the default server :)
15:09<steffan>bja: .87
15:09<bja>steffan: you have your ircd bind to an ip that as you just said is not working :-)
15:10<bja>either change the binding on the ircd or set the ip straight
15:10<steffan>bja: I came here to get assistance on how to sort the IP issues out, that in itself will sort the ircd out.
15:11<steffan>Is something wrong in /etc/network/interfaces?
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15:12<valdyn>steffan: yea, the masks are nonsense
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15:14<valdyn>steffan: what works? only .86?
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15:15<valdyn>steffan: im not sure, i believe ip_forward needs to be on too in this setup
15:17<valdyn>steffan: only .86 can reach remote networks in this setup if forwarding is off
15:17<valdyn>steffan: and nevermind the masks, i think thats ok
15:19<bja>steffan: what is the output of ifconfig?
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15:27<steffan>bja: Output of ifconfig:
15:27<steffan>valdyn: Yes, only .86 can be reached from the outside.
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15:28<steffan>valdyn: Where does one enable ip_forward?
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15:31<valdyn>steffan: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/
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15:34<steffan>valdyn: Change that to 1 and it should work then eh?
15:38<steffan>valdyn: I'm still getting connection refused.
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15:48<nicone>well, i got lenny on my acer aspire one and its nice. not a big issue but seems some windows are not re-sizable and stretch below the bottom of the screen. the largest resolution is 1024x600 fine for most apps ... any ides or just deal with it?
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15:50<EZmoney>right click the border and see if there is an option to resize
15:52<nicone>there is but will not resize and more
15:52<EZmoney>like you said some windows are not resizble
15:52<nicone>yep ah well
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15:53<EZmoney>mutiple desktops work well for more than one window open at a time
15:53<EZmoney>also right clicking the border you can send to other workspace
15:54<nicone>yea when i have an external screen connected i can increase the resolution
15:54<nicone>crappy built in lcd screen
15:54<EZmoney>what desktop are you using
15:55<EZmoney>gnome? kde?
15:55<nicone>i honestly never used kde
15:56<EZmoney>switching the theme can make more room on the border
15:56<ga_bash>hi. anyone using virtualbox on lenny?
15:56<EZmoney>Well i switched to it after 3. was out the switched back to Gnome and xfce
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15:57<nicone>well ill play around with it maybe give kde a shot just dont think anything can fix the window resize issue with limited resolution
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15:58<constintine>hello room i need some help configuring sound...
15:59<ga_bash>hello any virtualbox users around here ? :)
15:59<EZmoney>I'm not a fan of kde but good luck with it if you chose to use it
15:59<constintine>Some one please help me with this ive been up all nite
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16:00<EZmoney>the sound never worked?
16:00<constintine>Not once
16:00<EZmoney>wha sound chip is i?
16:00<constintine>Ive done just about all i can think of
16:00<EZmoney>t is dead
16:00<constintine>i loaded the modules manually...
16:00<constintine>It works
16:01<constintine>But with ubuntu live cd
16:01<constintine>Debian dont like this card
16:01<EZmoney>it works ubuntu? what does ubuntu say the module is?
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16:02<constintine>This works with gentoo aswell
16:02<simonrvn>so modprobe it and insert it into /etc/modules
16:02<constintine>Tried :/
16:03<Torsten_W>constintine, which kernel
16:03<linXea>I run openbox as my default DE (if you would call it that)... Im curious about the gnome-vfs-daemon, guess its the "virtual file system" daemon... Whats the best way to get rid off it ?
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16:03<xeon-enouf>it's a WM
16:03<linXea>yeah,.. WM
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16:03<xeon-enouf>gvfsd - yeah, i get that too
16:04<Torsten_W>constintine, maestro3 needs a firmware
16:04<constintine>How do i tell?
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16:04<constintine>Ohhh where do i get firmware?
16:04<EZmoney>which ubuntu version does it work with?
16:04<constintine>Everything from hardy on up
16:04<Torsten_W>constintine, look at
16:04<linXea>I've got only that gnome-app running when "ps aux | grep gnome".. And I would like to get remove it permenantly
16:05<constintine>actually i cot hardy at beta 2...
16:05<EZmoney>is it a laptop?
16:05<constintine>I think is about time to Switch to a real OS hey?
16:05<xeon-enouf>linXea: you obviously have something gnome/gtk+ related installed
16:05<constintine>No lol
16:05<xeon-enouf>linXea: maybe gstreamer or some gtk+ app
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16:06<gsimmons>dpkg: tell constintine -about maestro3
16:06<linXea>xeon-enouf, I do.. Grisbi = / ...
16:06<xeon-enouf>libesd .. ok
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16:06<EZmoney>are you selecting it form the mixer options? is the also a modem installed?
16:06<xeon-enouf>linXea: do you see gvfsd as soon as you boot up?
16:07<linXea>gvfsd ? .. never seen it
16:07<xeon-enouf>linXea: if not keep watching (or grepping) ps/pstree output - or learn incron/incrontab - search for inotify
16:07<constintine>Yes every part of asla is installed
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16:08<linXea>xeon-enouf, OKay, thank you
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16:08<xeon-enouf>linXea: show me what you see "ps aux | grep gnome"
16:08<xeon-enouf>linXea: use ps auxf
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16:08<EZmoney>In linux-2.6 2.6.23-1, the binary-only firmware in this driver was removed
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16:09*xeon-enouf likes the "psmisc" opkg
16:09<constintine>So i have to compile this from source and install? >> alsa-firmware?
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16:09<gsimmons>constintine: Yes, as described in the procedure.
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16:10<EZmoney>wiki has something also
16:10<constintine>I also need firmware for my tvtuner
16:10<xeon-enouf>linXea: hrm ok - i
16:11<linXea>I used the #gconftool -2 --type boolean -s --> to remove all others
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16:11<constintine>although i could never get the damnd thing to work...
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16:11<xeon-enouf>i don't use gnome, but do have a couple of gtk+ apps, and when i do see it, it's "gvfsd"
16:11<Ignaz>hi, all
16:12<EZmoney>if the tuner is not bt848 or 878 I wouldn't was your time
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16:12<constintine>I am so used to sudo...
16:12<linXea>xeon-enouf, I don't use gnome either but need grisbi for economic-stuff... Well I guess I can live with it.. Thank you for your time :)
16:12<constintine>su is different :) different but easier :)
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16:12<constintine>I like gnome :P
16:12<xeon-enouf>linXea: hrm; lsof | egrep 'esd|gnome' (<--use whatever keywords you deem apropos, string them together like that using pipes )
16:13<xeon-enouf>linXea: as root/sudo
16:13<linXea>I'll do that
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16:13<xeon-enouf>linXea: there's a #debian-gnome or #gnome-debian and more on ?
16:13<linXea>I'll look into it
16:14<constintine>Ezmoney> it is suposed to work great with mythtv
16:14<RvGaTe>what tool could i use for displaying/visualising ftp stats (using vsftpd) ?
16:15<EZmoney>yes they work but not great
16:15<constintine>I realy dont want to dual boot over a stupid tv-tuner so i just deleted my ancient xp install :D
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16:15<EZmoney>tvtime should pick it right up
16:15<constintine>EZmoney> i heard kaffine works good
16:16<EZmoney>yes ,tv time is better in my opinion
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16:16<constintine>I just want it for news i barely watch tv anymore
16:16<EZmoney>me either
16:16<EZmoney>you can install both
16:17<EZmoney>I have used both before
16:17<EZmoney>on the same pc
16:17<EZmoney>not at the same time though
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16:18<constintine>Yes ive tried been using Ubuntu since hardy not bets... sorry alpha2 but i cant get this card to work so i just leave it alone
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16:19<constintine>Yes ive tried been using Ubuntu since hardy not bets... sorry alpha2 but i cant get this card to work so i just leave it alone
16:20<EZmoney>I hear 9.0.4 works well also
16:20<constintine>Ya i guess im kinda still a noob
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16:20<EZmoney>no not really
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16:21<constintine>Its 9.04 and its damn easy but i want to learn more about Linux :D so i switched to Debian :)
16:21<constintine>Ubuntu is a lil too user friendly
16:21<EZmoney>I see
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16:21<constintine>You learn by making mistakes right?
16:22<EZmoney>new hardware wouldn't hurt either
16:22<leper>i use debian because i never knew how ubuntu works
16:22<EZmoney>so they say
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16:23<paef>okay, anyone know if
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16:23<constintine>I figure if i switch to a more difficult OS i learn more about my OS
16:23<paef>anyone know of any xchat bug, my segfaults when i connect to my psybnc
16:23<constintine>Debian is almost as easy as ubuntu however
16:23<paef>worked just the other night.
16:24<paef>however worked fine to connect here.
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16:26<constintine>Ahhh Yes :) Sound :) THANX!
16:27<constintine>Thank you EZmoney
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16:27<EZmoney>it wasn't just me
16:29<constintine>You link was what help me i didn't know that the firmware wasn't included with alsa
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16:30<constintine>Hmmm... ok i heard the faint pop...
16:30<constintine>should i reload alsa? can't get it to play sound...
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16:31<EZmoney>disable it and rob a creative sound blaster form a friend
16:31<simonrvn>unmute it
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16:32<simonrvn>alsamixer and press m to un/mute
16:32<EZmoney>then install the sound blaster in your pc
16:32<constintine>Ok i reloaded alsa but my card doesnt show in alsa mixer
16:32<constintine>Ahhh ok got it
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16:33<constintine>for some reason the commandline mixerdoesnt show my card... weerd
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16:35<constintine>Thank you room :)
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16:36<constintine>Do i have to compile w64codecs from source or is there a repo i can add??
16:36<constintine>I also need libdvdcss2
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16:37<peej>constintine, deb lenny main
16:37<EZmoney>its on multimedia
16:38<constintine>On ubuntu ist medibuntu
16:39<EZmoney>what ? just add the url to your repo!
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16:40<constintine>The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
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16:40<EZmoney>ad the key
16:41<constintine>Im sorry how?
16:41<EZmoney>sudo dpkg -i debian-multimedia-keyring_2008.10.16_all.deb"
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16:41<EZmoney>no quotes at the end
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16:42<EZmoney> its on the page
16:42<EZmoney>scroll down directions are there
16:43<EZmoney>bookmark the page,can be useful
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16:44<constintine>Ok :) you guys got some links?
16:44<constintine>Good links for intermediate-advanced users?
16:44<peej>argh. I hate this crappy thomson 706WL adsl router with its crippled port forwarding
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16:47<constintine>Oh b4 i go i do need one more thing... you see in ubuntu there is a option to have my wired ethernet shared, and it automatically leases ips through my switch... i havent figured this out yet either...
16:49<constintine>any one use a switch?
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16:50<constintine>Well i will be right back
16:50<peej>constintine, what's your question?
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16:51<constintine>I want to share my internet connection with my g4 power mac
16:51<constintine>through ethernet and a switch
16:52<peej>constintine, good link:
16:52<EZmoney>just plug in
16:52<constintine>so i can also plug my laptop in as well
16:52<constintine>Well.. not that easy
16:52<constintine>I use wifi
16:52<constintine>need to share throgh ethernet
16:53<constintine>peej *funny
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16:54<EZmoney>have anther nic card,run dual cards in one machine then run the switch off one of the two cards
16:54<EZmoney>good luck
16:55*EZmoney is away: ------------------>AFK
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17:11<leper>hello i'm back
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17:13<Ignaz>wb, leper
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17:18<leper>thank you Ignaz
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17:25<xeon-enouf>good nate?
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17:25<xeon-enouf>who's nate?
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17:34<leper>anyone here speak spanish, send me a query please
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17:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:44<simonrvn>leper: ^^^
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17:48<leper>thank you simonrvn
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18:35<leper>wicd don't connect to wifi on debian lenny with kde4.3
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19:20<Ramendik>I need to install an etch package in lenny (icewm - to avoid bug 539490)
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19:21<Ramendik>How can I do this? I tried adding etch as a repo and doing aptitude install -t etch icewn - no luck, still tried to get it from lenny
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19:24<deathangel>can somebody help me i install back track 4 in my hard drive vista now i don't know how to log in in vista
19:25<tuxcrafter>somebody that knows how to remove those if-up.d/mountnfs[eth0]: waiting for interface eth1 before doing NFS mounts (warning). checks
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19:26<tuxcrafter>i would like a solution that stays fixed even after package updates
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19:31<cwood_>I'm having an odd difficulty where I can't connect to a hidden essid with wicd. Do any of you have any tips to offer?
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19:32<Agui>HI, can you please help me? I wanna rent a dedicated server, to share with my friends, where can I find some tutorial to setup 3 diferentes access, each one with limited hd, login and password. The dedicated is debian 5.0... Thanks a lot!
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19:34<cwood_>agui: perhaps start with the debian manual at
19:36<Agui>I will...
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21:43<leper__>who can tell me a better network manager than wicd
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21:58<icebrain>better as in..?
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22:27<leper__>who can tell me a better network manager than wicd please?
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22:28<venger>anyone had issues with using lynnfield cpu on intrepid and that leads to hpet dumping warnings and flooding the system logs?
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22:30<constintine>Ok i have just installed the necessary fw and drivers for my Tv tuner... Any one use one? I need a lil help here
22:31<leper__>who can tell me a better network manager than wicd please?
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22:32<constintine>leper > you using Debian 5.0?
22:32<constintine>Search in synaptic for network-manager
22:32<leper__>ok i will install synaptic
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22:33<leper__>but in 20 minutes 'cuz i am upgrading =B
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22:33<constintine>Wait... your not using synaptic? aptitude?
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22:34<leper__>aptitude yes
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22:34<leper__>sypantic nope
22:34<constintine>you can search in aptitude aswell
22:34<venger>or use apt-cache search <keyword>
22:34<leper__>is better than wicd?
22:35<leper__>ok now got it lol thank you guys
22:35<constintine>synaptic=GUI aptitude=cli there both about the same
22:35<leper__>my wicd give me problems don't want to connect to my wifi xD!
22:36<constintine>what desktop enviromet do you have?
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22:38<constintine>network-manger network management framework daemon
22:38<constintine>NetworkManager attempts to keep an active network connection available at all
22:38<constintine>times. It is intended only for the desktop use-case, and is not intended for
22:38<constintine>usage on servers. The point of NetworkManager is to make networking
22:38<constintine>something like this leper?
22:39<leper__>i didn't knew how to use it =B
22:39<leper__>that is the same that knetworkmanager?
22:39<constintine>Thats what i thought itsa ok
22:39<constintine>Pretty much
22:39<constintine>only its gnome
22:39<constintine>im pretty sure you can still install on kde though
22:40<constintine>KDE reminds me of Nt...
22:40<constintine>I stick with gnome or xfce
22:40<leper__>i like xfce
22:40<constintine>xfce is very configurable
22:41<leper__>yes and very quick i have it on my desktop
22:41<constintine>And has great potential :P
22:41<leper__>and here i have kde.4.3.1
22:41<leper__>i don't like gnome i don't feel it confortable
22:41<constintine>I have gnome 8gigs of ram and a phenom tripple core
22:42<constintine>I like gnome cause it kinda reminds me of Mac
22:42<leper__>i have xfce on 160Mb of ram, and 8Gb hdd, intel celeron
22:42<constintine>I have two computers at my desk, one g4 mac and my beast :)
22:42<leper__>nice beast
22:42<leper__>i don't like mac
22:43<constintine>The beast runs Debian and Mac well mac
22:43<constintine>whats wrong with mac?
22:43<leper__>wrong nothing just don't like me
22:43<constintine>Macintosh Is Unix :p
22:43<leper__>'cuz is too expensive you pay for the apple a lot of money
22:43<constintine>I dont pay shhhh
22:43<leper__>and with that money you can buy a very very monsta!
22:44<leper__>lol soy if i don't it i want one too constintine lol
22:44<constintine>I only paid 700 USD for this beast
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22:45<constintine>I paid 20 USD for the g4 and its a server :p
22:45<constintine>I tryed several ppc distros on it but i would have to compile a kernel for it...
22:46<constintine>It has a aftermarket cpu
22:46<leper__>you got it very cheapest
22:46<leper__>how you did lol??
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22:47<constintine>I bought it at a computer recycling place
22:47<leper__>here doesn't exist that kind of store
22:47<constintine>They didnt know it was a server and it has a aftermarket cpu :p
22:48<leper__>that is really funny jajajajaajajjajajajaajjaajajajaj
22:48<vortek>is ther a way to install debian from windows partition? But i need to mount the win partition in debian to get my wireless working.
22:49<constintine>The G4 Macintosh server of my model only shipped with 300&400 mhz Processors This one says G4 but its clocked at 1ghz so i know that its not :P
22:49<constintine>Unet bootin??
22:49<leper__>lol jajaja
22:49<vortek>cuase trying to update a 5 year old sid /lenny distro threw dling debs in windows and mounting cuases to many conficts. Any ideas?
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22:50<leper__>download the driver of your wirelees for debian
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22:50<constintine>sorry unetbootin is the name of it
22:50<leper__>wich wireless do you have vortek ?
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22:50<vortek>i requirs newer libc6 and tons of other stuff then i have
22:50<vortek>dell wireless 1370
22:51<constintine>anyone use a DVB?
22:51<vortek>so im trying to just do a new install and mount my xp parition with the driver
22:51<vortek>ive been working on tis for days
22:52<vortek>can ay one recomend a installer that would allow me to do this >?
22:52<constintine>Oh... nevermind.. unetbootin wont work...
22:52<leper__>make and lspci -nn and send the paste
22:52<constintine>If you use debian live you can mount both partitions and move the files around
22:53<constintine>would that work vortek?
22:54<leper__>where do you from constintine
22:54<constintine>copy the new drivers to yput /var/apt/cache/archives
22:55<constintine>does this make sense?
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22:56<vortek>im not in debian cant get it online
22:57<vortek>debian live? got a link?
22:57<constintine> Yes the idea is to drop to a shell and install the driver from your cache
22:58<vortek>so debian live will allow me to mount? were do iget it at?
22:58<leper__>vortek, check there
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23:01<leper__>constintine, do you know what is better crossroad or wine??
23:02<leper__>adb mate are you here?
23:02<sney>isn't crossroad just wine in a fancy hat
23:02<constintine>Hold on...
23:02<constintine>Google for it my net is bein slow
23:02<constintine>But you cant install from debian live
23:02<constintine>I was saying for the pourpose of movin the drivers to you debian partition
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23:02<vortek>how do i know wich wireless i got? all xp says is 1379 wireless?
23:03<sney>you can look in msinfo32
23:03<sney>it gives more information
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23:03<leper__>thakyou sney
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23:05<constintine_>Its not crossroads...its... Crosover
23:05<constintine_>And crosover is PAID wine
23:05<constintine_>err... i mean you have to pay for it
23:05<leper__>aaa yeees that i saw at the university pcs
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23:05<leper__>and i said what a f*ck is that, and went to see it xD!
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23:07<vortek>dell truemoblle 1300 minilc]
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23:07<vortek>dell truemoblle 1300 minipci whqat driver shiuld i use?
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23:08<leper__>paste you lspci
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23:09<vortek>i cab get online with debian i have to get my wireless working
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23:09<vortek>cab cant
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23:13<remu>heya folks, I just installed debian sid, and after installing gnome-bluetooth i am recieving the same error as this bug:
23:13<remu>does anyone know if there is a solution to it, one that i cant seem to find, or if there really isnt a solution to it
23:14<cwood_>It says line 214 and line 20, perhaps you could edit the file?
23:14<remu>i could...but what would i change?
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23:14<cwood_>Whatever's duplicated, likely the label1 item. Whatever that it. Back up first.
23:15<sney>vortek: looks like it's a broadcom b43 variant, probably uses the b43 or b43legacy driver. ask dpkg about them/look
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23:17<remu>thanks cwood_ i just changed one of the "label1"s to "labelBugDupe" and that seemed to bring up the wizzard
23:17<vortek>im grabng the debian live web version will this boot debian? and how do i extract it?
23:17<cwood_>Hah, nifty.
23:19<remu>I've actually just switched to Debian from Arch, which I had used for about 6 months, and before that I had used Ubuntu for about 1 and a 1/2 years. So I'm trying to get things up and running, lol.
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23:21<remu>I'm running into a weird little issue. I'm using a laptop, and my sound seems to be working with my headphones plugged in, however when I unplug them, there is no sound from the laptop speakers. Is there a package that I might be missing?
23:22<vortek>this debian live web image, is there a way to boot it fron windows?>
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23:27<sney>vortek: no idea, ask in #debian-live
23:28<venger>use something like virtualbox to boot it
23:28<cwood_>remu: potentially those speakers might be on a different volume setting? Try seeing if anything is muted in alsamixer?
23:29<remu>cwood_, I have the following unmuted: PCM Master Headphone and Speaker
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23:29<remu>the volume is up on all of them
23:29<remu>i have the alsamixer fields looking the same as they used to under ubuntu and archlinux
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23:33<cwood_>Ah, okay. Not sure then myself.
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23:34<remu>cwood_, thanks for the attempt though.
23:35<remu>is there any way to install firefox in debian via apt? I see iceweasel is present but it seems to be 3.0.14
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23:38<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see and ask me about <d-s-a>.
23:39<sladi>remu: There is a newer Iceweasel but it's not in the stable repo.
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23:40<streuner__>judd, versions iceweasel
23:40<judd>streuner__: iceweasel -- etch: etch-security: lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 sid: 3.0.14-1 squeeze: 3.0.14-1 experimental: 3.5.3-1
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23:42<sladi>remu: You'd probably need to upgrade some other packages before you could use the new version. Chroot seems to be recommended for that.
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23:42<remu>hmm, well, I can just stick with 3.0.14 then, lol
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23:44<sladi>I run a testing Debian with some packages from Sid and Experimental for KDE and Iceweasel and it's fine. But chroot might be better. :)
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23:49<leper>IDENTIFY mesias102
23:51<Xenguy>today I got 2 (3?) instances of 'flashing scroll/capslock' keys (supposed to indicate a kernel panic)
23:51<Xenguy>bloody hell
23:51<Xenguy>I switched from a '686' to '486' kernel and so far it has not crashed again
23:52<Xenguy>I tested memory with 'memtester'...
23:52<Xenguy>I tested temperature with various tools - all looks within spec
23:53<Xenguy>no memory errors
23:53<Xenguy>fan is running
23:53<Xenguy>so, assuming it is a problem with a version of the kernel ?
23:57<leper>the videos on youtube see frozen, what i do??
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