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---Logopened Sun Sep 27 00:00:06 2009
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00:23<wtc>account off
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00:27<leper>anybody can help me, youtube see slow how can i fix it?
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00:37<dkr>close all tabs and restart iceweasel
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00:42<leper> yea it works better thank you dkr
00:42<leper>dkr, by the way, do you know a good network manager?
00:42<dkr>I am a good network manager. heh
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01:01<leper> how can i back to a version of a software?? a downgrade
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01:02<enyapxam> hey folks does anyone know how we can make a a custom install image of debian (preferably on USB stick)?
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01:03<palacio>!tell leper about downgrade
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01:04<enyapxam>leper:you can use synaptic and force version to downgrade
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01:06<leper>and in aptitude how do i do it enyapxam ? can you teach me please
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01:06<leper>oooo so so so sorry palacio i didn't chek the msg
01:06<leper>i'm sorry
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01:07<enyapxam>leper: not sure in aptitude through commands but you can use apt pinning to achieve that
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01:08<leper>maybe you can help me in other way, do you know a good program for msn, with cam support and quick transference of file?
01:09<leper>or anyone know one
01:10<enyapxam>leper: use pidgin, latest version supports cam for gtalk not sure of msn
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01:10<leper>ok cuz the last kopete don't work good for me
01:11<enyapxam>leper: yep, kopete doesnt work for me too
01:12<enyapxam>pidgin is good, or you can use empathy
01:12<palacio>leper: kmess
01:12<enyapxam>that has better support for voice/cam
01:12<jpinx-eeepc>leper pidgi only does cam for jabber
01:12<leper>ok i will try it palacio
01:12<jpinx-eeepc>leper: amsn does cam for msn messenger
01:13<leper>ams don't like me too heavy and too ugly
01:13<leper>useless for me
01:13<jpinx-eeepc>leper: and gyachi does cam for yahoo
01:13<leper>gyachi didn't knew it jpinx-eeepc
01:13<jpinx-eeepc>leper: I'm on an eepc and aMSN is not big at all
01:13<leper>i will try kmess
01:14<leper>for me it is, too heavy for the utility that it gives
01:14<jpinx-eeepc>leper if you run kmess you will drag ina heap of KDE bloat
01:14<leper>ina? what is that?
01:14<palacio>what kde bloat?
01:14<palacio>he already has kopete
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01:15<jpinx-eeepc>palacio: fairy snuff - I had not read all the scrll-back ;)
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01:16<jpinx-eeepc>leper: what hardware are you on?
01:16<leper>so may i go for kmess?
01:16<leper>athlon x2 , 3gb ram, 160gb hdd
01:16<palacio>sure. I recommend the version in testing/unstable
01:16<jpinx-eeepc>feel free leper -- I am only telling you what I do with a very small (4GBs) SDD harddrive and limited CPUI
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01:17<leper>thank you guys
01:18<jpinx-eeepc>leper: if youa re already running KDE - then go for it
01:18<leper>ok thank you jpinx-eeepc
01:18<enyapxam>ok guys, i have a query, has anyone used remastersys with debian
01:18<jpinx-eeepc>I am running alightweight desktop ;)
01:18<enyapxam>i want to make a backup of my system that i can install again if something gets messed up..
01:19<jpinx-eeepc>enyapxam: dd it
01:20<palacio>just put it on ftp/amule and let everyone else mirror it
01:20<jpinx-eeepc>palacio: :)
01:20<enyapxam>well not sure if dd serves the purpose..
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01:21<enyapxam>i mean i would like to put whole of my system to a usb stick (4gb ...) that if my system becomes non-bootable i can put that back from usb
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01:21<jpinx-eeepc>enyapxam: define the problem a bt more closely then /;)
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01:21<jpinx-eeepc>enyapxam: dd will do that
01:22<enyapxam>i mean all the packages and with installer also on usb stick
01:22<jpinx-eeepc>enyapxam: I have dd'd several systems onto USB sticks
01:22<enyapxam>jpinx-eeepc : how will dd do that
01:22<jpinx-eeepc>enyapxam: man dd dude ;)
01:23<enyapxam>yeah i already did that...
01:23<enyapxam>i mean how will it make usb stick bootable
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01:23<jpinx-eeepc>enyapxam: example :~dd if=/ of=/dev/usb/device
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01:24<jpinx-eeepc>enyapxam: you dd onto the whole device, including grub and all
01:24<cahoot>will that create a bootable usb stick?
01:24<enyapxam>jpinx-eeepc:ohh... u mean to say put all of / onto usb stick
01:24<palacio>enyapxam: those are two different problems
01:24<palacio>enyapxam: backup your system, and make a recover usb stick
01:24<leper>i removed kopete and it remove games and a lot of things more, how i do get them back
01:24<softlite>mens where can I ask about selinux? please?
01:25<jpinx-eeepc>enyapxam: to make the usb stick bootable you will need 1. edit grub 2. make sure your bios supports booting from a USB stick
01:25<palacio>leper: install kdegames and kdebase to mark them as manually installed
01:25*palacio does not like aptitude
01:26<leper>ok palacio
01:26*jpinx-eeepc boggles at someone moaning about aMSN bloat when their machine is full of games:/
01:26<leper>kmess don't have support for cam
01:26<enyapxam>jpinx-eeepc: hmmm... i guess now i am getting this, probably i can use dd to copy all of / (skipping /media /mnt) onto usb
01:26<jpinx-eeepc>use aptitude
01:26<jpinx-eeepc>!why aptitude
01:26<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
01:27<dpkg>i guess selinux is NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it., or
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01:27<jpinx-eeepc>softlite: ^^
01:28<jpinx-eeepc>enyapxam: read man dd more and googlle more examples - there's *lots*
01:28<enyapxam>palacio: did you mean that i copy everything onto usb or just make a recovery usb stick
01:29<enyapxam>jpinx-eeepc: yeah, i can do that... just didnt think of copying grub also to usb
01:29<palacio>enyapxam: you could do both in the same stick
01:29<jpinx-eeepc>enyapxam: palacio and I are giving you solutions to slightly different requirements because you were non-specific
01:29<enyapxam>sorry guys for the confusion...
01:30<jpinx-eeepc>enyapxam: no problem dude - do your homework with google - it is a common enough thing to do
01:30<jpinx-eeepc>copying OS's is well covered in docs
01:30<enyapxam>thanks guys, i will do that......
01:31<palacio>leper: :/ it seems it will come with kmess 2.1
01:31<leper>yes i saw it now
01:31<jpinx-eeepc>enyapxam: if it of any consolation -I have XP, Lenny and Squeeze all on individual sticks :)
01:31<leper>but don't worry i'll keep it present
01:32<enyapxam>jpinx-eeepc: :-) that is great..... i actually want to do that... stable on the system and unstable on usb for fun...
01:32<palacio>there is emesene too, which I have not used
01:33<jpinx-eeepc>enyapxam: you could always run unstable etc in VM's
01:33<jpinx-eeepc>palacio: is that a msn messenger client thingy?
01:33<palacio>jpinx-eeepc: yes
01:34<enyapxam>jpinx-eeepc: yeah but vm is like a low resource machine, you cant get full out of softwares....
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01:35<jpinx-eeepc>palacio: looking at aptitude show emesene is 4Mbs installed and aMSN is only 1
01:36<jpinx-eeepc>enyapxam: well - whatever floats your boat mate - your choice :)
01:36<palacio>wow, 1b ö
01:36<jpinx-eeepc>heh misplaced returnl
01:37<jpinx-eeepc>my typing is shite tonight
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01:37<jpinx-eeepc>1Mb for aMSN
01:37<enyapxam>jpinx-eeepc: yeah.... thanks for help buddy, appreciate that...
01:37<jpinx-eeepc>np enyapxam ;)
01:38*jpinx-eeepc installs emesene to see how it is...
01:39<palacio>jpinx-eeepc: see amsn-data
01:39<jpinx-eeepc>palacio: emesene is asking for 4.4Mbs of my hdd
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01:40<jpinx-eeepc>but only adds 2 python libs :)
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01:43<jpinx-eeepc>cool - emesene seems ok - thanks palacio :)
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01:44<constintine>Hello :)
01:44<palacio>great. I know a friend who likes it too :)
01:44<jpinx-eeepc>constintine: Hola
01:44<constintine>qqe esta ceindo?
01:45<jpinx-eeepc>palacio: I'll add it to the girlfriends dasktop - emesene "looks" more like the original ;)
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01:45<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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01:45<constintine>I speak english too
01:45<jpinx-eeepc>english here please:)
01:46<constintine>How do i upgrade to squeeze?
01:46<constintine>but you said hola right?
01:46<jpinx-eeepc>constintine: edit your sources.list from lenny to squeeze, update and dist-upgrade
01:46<jpinx-eeepc>constintine: sure - I say Hola to everyone :)
01:46<constintine>thats what i thought thanx
01:47<jpinx-eeepc>constintine: in your sources.list~ do *not* refer to dirstros as "stable" etc - refer to them by "name"
01:48<constintine>Oh god im having a brain fart where is the sources.list /ect/???
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01:48<jpinx-eeepc>that avoids any nasty surprise when the next release happens ;)try
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01:48<palacio>constintine: /etc/apt/
01:48<jpinx-eeepc>constintine: /etc/apt/surces.list
01:48<jpinx-eeepc>I'm going to bed - typing failure here
01:49<constintine>Lol nite
01:49*palacio retires
01:49<jpinx-eeepc>hasta mañana dudes
01:49<palacio>buenas noches
01:49<jpinx-eeepc>constintine: suerte ;)
01:50<constintine>i though you sed english todo?
01:51<constintine>I know why i couldn't find it b4...
01:51<jpinx-eeepc>technical shit in English only - so everyone can share - salutations in whatever you like ;)
01:51<constintine>i was typing ect not etc
01:51*jpinx-eeepc suggest that constintine gets some sleep too :p
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01:51<leper>finally i have connect the wifi
01:52<constintine>yes i think that would be wise after i start this update
01:52*jpinx-eeepc is really gone now
01:52<constintine>Nice lepper tht debian live help?
01:53<leper>yes help a lot
01:53<leper>thank you for all by the way
01:53<constintine>your welcome ive had to do it a few time s :)
01:53<constintine>wow im kinda tired...
01:54<leper>what time is over there?
01:55<constintine>Ooooh gud you ask my clock is wrong...
01:55<constintine>but i have only had four hours of sleep
01:55<jpinx-eeepc>palacio: fwiw - emesene doesn't appear to do webcam... more tomorrow
01:56<leper>here is 02:00 am
01:56*jpinx-eeepc has 1a.m.
01:57*leper has to study relativy lol
01:57<constintine>nice i went to bed around 4am last nite woke up at 8am
01:57*jpinx-eeepc has to be up at 5:30 am
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01:59<constintine>Yay i was expecting some kind of crazy error when i did ap-get update :)
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02:00<leper>and it happens?
02:00<constintine>1004 upgraded, 373 newly installed, 24 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
02:00<constintine>Need to get 1319MB of archives.
02:00<constintine>After this operation, 568MB of additional disk space will be used.
02:01<constintine>^^ thats odd...
02:01<constintine>I would think it would not take so much disc space...
02:01<leper>where do you from? constintine
02:01<leper>i'm from chile
02:02<constintine>Kewl :D hot in chile?
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02:02<leper>nope just cold lol
02:03<constintine>Ahhh thats what they all say till they have cile from chile
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02:03<leper>really it is cold here
02:03<constintine>Damn im kinda tired... why do i subject myself to this torture?
02:03<leper>i'm from the south
02:04<leper>'cuz this is some kind of adiction
02:04<constintine>Oh ya the further south you go or past the equatoe north..
02:04<leper>look at me i have exam monday and thuesday, and i'm here config my debian, lol
02:04<constintine>Yes and its FREE
02:04<constintine>YAY! FREEE
02:04<leper>further south
02:05<chealer>I have php5-imagick installed, but imagick functions do not exist (for example, imagick_rotate()). is this normal?
02:05<constintine>there is a line in the middle of the world...
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02:05<constintine>and im glad that my X is on the opposite side of that line now :D
02:08<constintine>OMG my dad wants me to make his vista powered laptop werk... I told him that this is a problem with microsoft OS he needs a new OS He says No Vista is fine. THEN WHY DO YOU ALLWAYS NEED ME TO FIX IT???
02:08<constintine>No response aside from"just fix it"
02:09<constintine>Ill fix it allright hehehehe
02:11<chealer>constintine: please stick to topic
02:11<constintine>Ok i put debian on his laptop :)
02:12<constintine>Ubuntu is pretty much debian :P
02:13<leper>chealer, don't get mad mate, there is nobody asking nothing, why don't talk for a while?
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02:13<constintine>well... when this chat gets a bit off topic it tends to get really off topic and noobs get mad
02:13<chealer>leper: there are people asking. the opposite would be no reason to allow offtopic talk anyway.
02:15<constintine>Oh but i do have a question...
02:16<constintine>i have when through the procedure to get this pci TV tuner working under debian and it scans for channels but none are found
02:16<constintine>same with radio
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02:17<constintine>anyone familiar with v4l-bvb or dvb cards period?
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02:18<leper>i don't have that
02:18<constintine>leper you still there?
02:19<leper>yes sorry i was cheking my mailbox
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02:19<constintine>its odd it loads the firmware and drivers without error
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02:20<constintine>ill look cahoot
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02:23<constintine>cahoot ive seen pretty much all this...
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02:26<constintine>I think im just gna sell this pci card...
02:26<constintine>I know it works
02:26<constintine>just damn near impossibe to make it work
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02:28<constintine> < i did all this already...
02:28<leper>has amarok skins?
02:29<thornheart>hey.. anyone still up?
02:29<constintine>Ya ME :)
02:31<constintine>debhelper> are you a real person?
02:31<constintine>whats up thornheart?
02:31<thornheart>I have started a google code project. Is there anyone else in here that has a development project going on?
02:31<chealer>leper: ask #debian-kde
02:32<constintine>Not i...
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02:33<leper>thank you chealer =)
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02:34<leper>i don't know but i cant traduce to spanish ... i think =) thornheart
02:35<chealer>thornheart: just ask your question
02:36<constintine> sudo cp xc3028-v27.fw /lib/firmware/$(uname -r)/
02:36<constintine>cp: cannot create regular file `/lib/firmware/2.6.26-2-amd64/': Is a directory
02:36<constintine> < this normal?
02:36<_s4br3_>I have had to reinstall my system after a hardware failure. I installed using netinstall testing and switched immediately to unstable. But now aptitude full-upgrade gives "database /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db failed to load.". I know this message is in the bug reports, but I haven't seen a recent one. So, did I do something wrong I can fix myself?
02:36<thornheart>What's the best way to find other open source developers that might be interested in the project I've created?
02:37<_s4br3_>thornheart: create a page on sourceforge?
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02:38<thornheart>_s4br3_: prefer sourceforge or
02:39<_s4br3_>thornheart: I didn't know of But sourcforge is old, well-known, and stable.
02:39<thornheart>it should hurt to start out with both to see which one fits better
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02:40<_s4br3_>thornheart: I think one is enough
02:41<_s4br3_>I know one of my pet projects have three web pages... I never recall where to search first. Besides, you can always link from Sourceforge to the other one
02:43<gsimmons>constintine: Your destination directory needs to exist beforehand. Making xc3028-v27.fw available in /lib/firmware should be sufficient however.
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02:46<chealer>thornheart: that's a non-trivial question which is not really on-topic here, though I'm not sure where it would be. maybe mentioning the software domain would help
02:46<constintine>gsimmons thts what i though.
02:48<constintine>It loads the firmware... hmmm maybe i should double check the antenna
02:48<chealer>_s4br3_: how recent was your latest finding?
02:49<constintine>Is there a way to test if it is functioning via command line?
02:49<_s4br3_>After the installation
02:50<constintine>I followed a tutorial on this card
02:50<constintine>installed drivers firmware and v4l
02:51<_s4br3_>chealer: I'm not sure if this is 'lethal' because all newly installed software show up fine, and surve a reboot
02:51<constintine>gsimmons do you have experience with Tunercards?
02:52<chealer>_s4br3_: what is the most recent bug report you found?
02:52<_s4br3_>Very old
02:52<_s4br3_>like 2007/2008
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02:53<DXVCZSXC>hello all
02:53<gsimmons>constintine: Only with the e506r (/msg dpkg e506r) and ancient BT848/878 devices.
02:53<DXVCZSXC>any admin ?
02:54<constintine>gsimmons > if the firmware and drivers load without error what else can be the psoblem do you think?
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02:54<_s4br3_>Maybe this will solve it -
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02:58<chealer>_s4br3_: we're in 2009. 2008 was a year ago - maybe
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03:00<_s4br3_>Removing the file /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db solved it.
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03:00<_s4br3_>it appears
03:00<pascale>any one here?
03:00<pascale>I am just testing irc client
03:00<constintine>it works
03:01<constintine>actually your being transated into chinese is that what you intended??
03:02<_s4br3_>not for me
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03:03<pascale>I am using irssi now,how can I quit from here...
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03:04<constintine>My lord this update is gna take 2 days at this speed...
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03:05<pototoy>hi folks, I have a problem with my debian testing install. it seems to be reporting the wrong temperature, which causes it to halt.
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03:07<constintine>Hm... sounds like the temp is right unless its linux turnin your machine off not your board
03:07<leper>i'm back sorry for the shutdown
03:07<constintine>LOLZ hi leper
03:07<pototoy>i spot something like "kernel: critical temperature reached (144 C)" just before it halts
03:08<leper>pototoy, are you doing a super pi??
03:08<pototoy>just updating apt.
03:08<leper>144°C you can boild water
03:08<constintine>Does your processor max out?
03:08<pototoy>besides, I was checking /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/temperature, and it was only 55 C
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03:09<leper>a ok
03:09<constintine>Hmmm now that is truley odd...
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03:09<pototoy>i know lol
03:09<constintine>45-80 is good.
03:10<pototoy>not sure though what my processor is running at.... ksysguard seems to be broken.
03:10<cahoot>acpi -t
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03:12<_s4br3_>cahoot: I installed acpi, but it gives no answerr. Do I need to reboot?
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03:13<leper>so sorry again
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03:15<pototoy>hmm... what packages do I need for power management?
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03:15<pototoy>I can only think of acpid and powerdevil
03:15<constintine>Aha! Me tv gave me an error :/
03:15<leper>sorry but this fell down when i close it lol, don't stay on the bar
03:16<constintine>Failed to open tuner: Device or resource busy
03:18<constintine>:/ nevermind... ^ that was my fault...
03:18<constintine>I have no clue...
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03:19<constintine>dvbtune -f 12480 -p V -s 27500 -m
03:19<constintine>Using DVB card "Samsung S5H1409 QAM/8VSB Frontend"
03:19<constintine>Unknown FE type. Aborting
03:19<constintine> < whats the error mean?
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03:20<constintine_>Damn you debhelper im not a fuukin bot!
03:21<constintine_>can anyone help me with this?
03:24<_s4br3_>constintine_: It is hard to follow what you mean
03:24<constintine_>Im still messing with the dvb tuner
03:26<constintine_>....... i give up good nite
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03:54<leper>youtube freez the system, what can i do? is it codec problem ?? i'm on debian lenny/squeeze
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03:58<m3onh0x84>2 everybody, why me don't add http://ftp mirror to apt sources.list ?
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04:08<chealer>m3onh0x84: what is your native language?
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04:13<Gingerbread-Man>m3onh0x84 needs to have deb infront of it eg deb lenny main
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04:20<leper>anyone knows if there is a psx emulator for debian?
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04:47<constintine>it works :D im watchint tv :)
04:48<constintine>I couldnt sleep... i knew i messed a step...
04:49<constintine>Anyone alive n here?
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04:57<leper>congratulation constintine
04:58<constintine>Ya its 2am
04:58<leper>here is 5 am
04:58<constintine>But i have to manually load the modules for this...
04:59<leper>how old are you?
04:59<constintine>can i just write a sript to do it for me?
04:59<Lethalman>constintine, put your module in /etc/modules
04:59<constintine>I did still had to mannually load it...
04:59<leper>how can i install all the package of education??
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05:00<Lethalman>leper, try tasksel
05:00<Lethalman>mh nvm no education there
05:00<Lethalman>well try installin education-taskel and use taskel
05:01<constintine>I think He wants EVERYTHING labled education Lmfao
05:01<constintine>Oh no...
05:02<leper>yes i want it all
05:02<constintine>now its not working...
05:02<leper>i study for natural ciences and physics teacher, i matter all that
05:02<constintine>What did i do??
05:04<constintine>it worked five minutes ago now my kernel log keeps saying Calling (my modules)
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05:05<constintine>Ok i know how to make it work now and leper, find all the packages and locations in the repos and make a wget script then add downloaded packages in synaptic
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05:06<constintine>:) ive seen ppl use this to method to install almost every package in the ubuntu repo and take up terabytes of disc space :p
05:06<constintine>I have a trick
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05:07<constintine>Hmmm i forgot how to do it...
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05:08<constintine>you basically use the packages.gz's and extract them thats how you make your download script
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05:08<constintine>*i think...
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05:10<constintine>correct me if im wrong there someone
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05:11<constintine>:) Tv on linux :)
05:11<constintine>ill never need windows again :)
05:12<peej_>you just want to insmod/modprobe the modules at some point automatically?
05:12<constintine>peej_ >how?
05:12<constintine>I added them to modprobe.conf
05:13<constintine>they don't load automatically
05:13<constintine>Hold on...
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05:14<constintine>Note: Some Debian systems will have trouble with the blacklist. Modules may refuse to load from within any of the rc scripts, but will still load if done manually.
05:14<constintine> * Save the file out. If so desired, reboot your system and do an lsmod, to verify if the drivers were successfully blacklisted.
05:14<constintine> * Decide which mode you wish to use as the default: NTSC and the various analog sources, or digital/ATSC mode. To make digital/ATSC the default (for Debian, Ubuntu, and similar):
05:15<Lethalman>constintine, /etc/modules not modprobe.conf
05:15<constintine>let me have a look see
05:16<peej_>what did the kernel barfing-on-modules message say?
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05:18<constintine>I dont know something about the firmware then callback
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05:18<constintine>My card took a crap for about 5 minutes
05:20<constintine>Thanx leathalman
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05:22<constintine>peej_ Sep 26 19:09:40 Big-Bad-Desktop kernel: [ 1837.809716] xc2028 3-0061: Loading firmware for type=BASE (1), id 0000000000000000.
05:22<constintine>Sep 26 19:09:40 Big-Bad-Desktop kernel: [ 1837.809716] cx88[0]: Calling XC2028/3028 callback
05:22<constintine>Sep 26 19:09:45 Big-Bad-Desktop kernel: [ 1843.003485] xc2028 3-0061: Loading firmware for type=D2633 DTV6 ATSC (10030), id 0000000000000000.
05:22<constintine>Sep 26 19:09:45 Big-Bad-Desktop kernel: [ 1843.083484] xc2028 3-0061: Loading SCODE for type=DTV6 ATSC OREN538 SCODE HAS_IF_5580 (60110020), id 0000000000000000.
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05:23<peej_>hmmm. constintine needs to take a hint ;-)
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05:31<peej_>lethalman: is the modprobe.conf file the same for all boxes running lenny? Or is is something that is built during install/boot? During boot I see a lot of attempts to get a particular module up that fails, then it tries to get it up later etc.
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05:33*peej_ gets out some comfort food to console himself
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05:39<constintine> ldebheplperdnt like me
05:39<constintine>wow im tired
05:40<constintine>did i post what you needed?
05:41<constintine>or rather what you asked about b4 debhelper threw a fit?
05:41<xeon-enouf>constintine: the other important modules /dir is /etc/modprobe.d/ mv any /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.conf files out of the way
05:42<xeon-enouf>and please stop pasting into the channel -- /msg dpkg pastebin
05:42<constintine>Ok which files would i edit?
05:43<xeon-enouf>constintine: what are you trying to achieve?
05:43<constintine>Just dont want to have to manually load the modules for my dvb tuner
05:43<xeon-enouf>ok, you can list needed modules in /etc/modules
05:44<constintine>I did havnt tested it yet though
05:44<constintine>should work
05:44<xeon-enouf>(even though you can also pass parameters to it in that file, better place for that is /etc/modprobe.d/<any-filename-you-like>.conf)
05:45<constintine>Im honestly too tired for this..
05:45<cahoot>so take a break
05:45<constintine>ya watch tv :)
05:45<constintine>b4 i figured this out i had to dual boot with xp to watch tv...
05:46<constintine>I hate nt it kept giving me bsod's
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05:46<constintine>so i gave up for a few months
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05:51<leper>well i go
05:51<leper>here is 6 am
05:52<leper>see ya guys
05:52<leper>bye bye constintine
05:52<leper>nite nite
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05:57<m3onh0x84>so sorry, I must busy so can't chat :D
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06:24<tuxcrafter>hi all how can i solve all these boot errors i got:
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06:33<Kjetil>there is no need
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06:34<dpkg>There is no spoon.
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06:50<Txt_file>I have a problem with sshfs. I'm running Debian version testing/amd64. When I try to do 'sshfs -i .ssh/323 ~/file/' I get the following output 'read: Connection reset by peer'. I expected it to mount the BOINC-dir on the server at ~/file/.
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07:03<tuxcrafter>how do i disable the Calling hook thermal when doing a update-initramfs
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07:08<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: edit /etc/initramfs-tools/hooks/* ?
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07:08<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: or blacklist the module, (in the initramfs.conf there)
07:10<xeon-enouf>er , lookey , there;s a update-initramfs.conf in there now, heh
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07:11<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: and my bad; for blacklisting see /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs
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07:12<dpkg>mikejj: VATTENE VIA
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07:13<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: cat /etc/initramfs-tools/hooks/*
07:13<tuxcrafter>cat: /etc/initramfs-tools/hooks/*: No such file or directory
07:13<tuxcrafter>i tried adding THERMAL=n in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
07:13<tuxcrafter>but that did not work
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07:15<lexr>um... Guys, how do I make my gdm use 1280x1024 resolution instead of 1600x1200? I added modes "1280x1024" to xorg.conf, and selected 1280x1024 to be default resolution...
07:15<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: ok trying to update the blacklist]
07:15<lexr>gnome uses 1280x1024, no problems...
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07:17<simonrvn>put it first in xorg.conf
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07:20<lexr>in section screen, subsection display i have only one resolution, 1280x1024, I will try and restart, this never happened before... I am using fglrx...
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07:25<Gingerbread-Man>hmm starting to think apt-build upgrade might not havebeen the best idea in the world .... could take a verry long time
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07:30<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: i've had that /hooks/ dir for a long time now, you sure you're using Debian?
07:31<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: and i said /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf was incorrect, and corrected it
07:32<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: ./scripts/init-premount/thermal: modprobe thermal
07:33<xeon-enouf>is in my initrd
07:34<xeon-enouf> /etc/initramfs-tools/update-initramfs.conf is a nice new interesting file
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07:38<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: hmm lets see ( i am using debian stable)
07:39<darsie>hi! I'd like to convert a remote system to utf8 via ssh. utf8migrationtool appearently only works with X. Should I install and start a remote X session (as root) or do something else?
07:39<tuxcrafter># cat /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/*
07:39<tuxcrafter>cat: /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/*: No such file or directory
07:39<tuxcrafter>its really emtpy :)
07:40<tuxcrafter>doing the blacklist thing first
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07:43<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: i said "is in my initrd" so cp your initrd somewhere, 'zcat initrd.img | cpio -i' and look inside
07:43<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: i'd just edit mine(initrd), if i were you - OR, i'd properly blacklist the module
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07:45<xeon-enouf>that's why update-initramfs.conf is now there, .. so if you edit one, you can tell the installations of newer linux-image-$KERNVER to _not_ run update-initramfs, so as to not overwrite your edits/changes
07:45<tuxcrafter>ah ok the blacklist still makes a warning in the bootlog
07:45*xeon-enouf ignores warnings :-p
07:45<tuxcrafter>ow but i dont mind auto generated initrafs
07:45*xeon-enouf seldom reboots
07:45<tuxcrafter>i have a fethish voor complete clean boot logs
07:46<xeon-enouf>just disable bootlogd if you're OCD over it :-)
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07:48<tuxcrafter>its not that bad :D
07:49<payala>I am trying to install FreeNX on a machine I have just installed Debian
07:50<payala>But I am having problems to find a apt repo to get freenx, any advice?
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07:53<Benalex>Hello all, How can I get the current opened files by a specific process?
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07:53<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: i fixed it!
07:54<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: acpi=off flag in grub
07:54<locklace>Benalex: lsof
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07:56<tuxcrafter>somebody knows how to make the height of a serial console bigger?
07:56<tuxcrafter>the lengt i can do with export COLUMNS=160
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08:00<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: that has other repurcussions
08:00<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: vga=ask
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08:05<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: acpi=off is a bad fix for a thermal module
08:07<xeon-enouf>Benalex: lsof perhaps
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08:27<Benalex>I am using Kfilereplace to replace strings in thousands of files. Kfilereplace has started 2 days ago, and not finished till now, and lsof doesn't show any text files opened
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08:27<Benalex>Any ideas?
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08:30<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: what was the vga=ask for?
08:30<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: i dont think my device has acpi
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08:33<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: with acpi=off, ofcourse "i dont think my device has acpi"
08:33<xeon-enouf>tuxcrafter: vga=ask is a boot param
08:33<xeon-enouf>just like acpi=off
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08:35<xeon-enouf>or, i suppose your could toy with the actual Font in /etc/console*/config
08:35<xeon-enouf>(in Lenny) .. for later use /etc/console-setup/ and /etc/default/console-setup (dpkg-reconfigure it too)
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08:36<black>hi xeon
08:36<black>pleas i , hif problam
08:37<black>Is there one?
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09:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:13<qabby>i cant seem to get x11 to forward. i've searched many help pages with no success. in the end, i continue to get "user not authorized" errors and in su mode, i x11 has issues of "already being active." does gdm have something to do with this failure?
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09:32<dpkg>sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>.
09:33<cwood_>qabby: do you mean forward over ssh or something?
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09:35<dpkg>You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>.
09:35<xeon-enouf>he's already in #debian asking
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09:36<qabby>i think my problem is the $DISPLAY as i have not bothered to invoke that command.
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09:37<qabby>although im questioning what a "can't open display" is similar to and "unauthorized user" error. 6_6
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09:41<cwood_>qabby: your $DISPLAY should be set automatically if you have xauth/xbase-clients installed and x11 forwarding enabled, iirc.
09:44<qabby>cwood: that's the impressive that im getting from my own searches just now.
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09:46<qabby>x11forward is set "yes" in my ssh_config... i log in to remote host with ssh -X user@remoteHost.... the user can access x11....
09:46<qabby>this particular host has GDM enabled... i will try disabling GDM....
09:47<cwood_>I don't understand what gdm has to do with this.
09:47<qabby>i dunno either... but i dont have any better suggestions atm... 9_9
09:50<qabby>user is still "not authorized" but in su mode, i have a new error: AUDIT: Sun Sep 27 08:48:59 2009: 5934 X: client 4 rejected from local host (uid 65534)
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09:53<qabby>this is the error to startx in su mode with GDM active: Fatal server error:
09:53<qabby>Server is already active for display 0 If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again.
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09:57<chattr>qabby: running startx defaults to launching X on display 0. if you want to start a second instance of X, don't do ' startx ', do ' startx -- :1 ' to have it run on display 1
09:57<qabby>i see.
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09:59<chattr>qabby: you can then switch between X on display 0 and X on display 1 by using <ctrl>-<alt>-<F7> for display 0 and <ctrl>-<alt>-<F8> for display 1
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10:03<qabby>... but, back to the original troubleshooting issue, how do i resolve "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting."?
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10:04<qabby>i know that the user IS AUTHORIZED to run the X server setting directly in front of the host... but remote access is failed.
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10:05<chattr>qabby: did you edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the remote server (to allow X11Forwarding)? if yes, did you try and restart sshd on the remote server and then try X11 forwarding?
10:07<qabby>just to be sure, i rebooted the remote ser
10:09<qabby>chattr: just to be sure, i rebooted the remote server... the /etc/ssh/sshd_config has the x11forward yes line... no errors received when reading and accessing the sshd_config file after modification...
10:09<qabby>chattr: yet, the user is STILL "not authorized"
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10:10<chattr>qabby: what do sshd's logs say when you try to forward X?
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10:13<xeon-enouf>a) it seems from above you have it working b) if not, and gdm is an issue, try gdmsetup, and note gdm reads ~/.profile, not ~/.bash* (someone mentioned, i don't use DMs)
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10:14<xeon-enouf>to me; "... i log in to remote host with ssh -X user@remoteHost.... the user can access x11...." <-- is working
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10:16<qabby>xeon-enouf: and your right!.... but the user can access x11 WHEN USING LOCALHOST. CURRENTLY the use is trying to access the host REMOTELY. and this is where we are getting the "not authorized" error.
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10:17<chattr>qabby: anything helpful in /var/log/auth.log ? (iirc, that's where sshd logs, I'm not on a host with sshd running atm)
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10:17<olasd>you should try "xhost +" to enable all connections to the X server, then try to connect again
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10:21<dpkg>it has been said that hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database.
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10:22<qabby>first success: apps with x11 GUIs are loading.... let's see if i can get the x11 desktop running....
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10:23<qabby>currently "startx" still gets me the unauthorized error.
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10:24<xeon-enouf>qabby: i don;t see any need to use localhost nor ssh for a local X
10:24<xeon-enouf>so, that's nullandvoid to me
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10:26<xeon-enouf>wait HOw is " i log in to remote host with ssh -X user@remoteHost...." <-- Localhost?
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10:26<xeon-enouf>the word remote is there twice, haha
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10:27<qabby>xeon-enouf: other people seem to be able to help me... sorry if you dont understand. thx anyway. ;)
10:27<xeon-enouf>shame on X for using Server/Client
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10:27<xeon-enouf>qabby: i doubt it
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10:28<xeon-enouf>and if you used xhost + you'll likely be rooted soon
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10:28<constintine>Hello all im back :) I think i got two hour of sleep today so im gud :p
10:28<qabby>xeon-enouf: i know at least that much! ^_^ that's why have not bothered to respond much to it.
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10:30<qabby>*sigh* new error: $ xclock
10:30<qabby>X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
10:30<qabby>Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0
10:31<qabby>it was just working a moment ago. :(
10:31<constintine>Anyone run ppc debian?
10:31<xeon-enouf>yeah, when one ssh -X user@remoteHOST, and successfully logs in or keys do it; echo $DISPLAY will usually say localhost:10.0
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10:32<constintine>mr_crowley > 64 or 32bit?
10:32<xeon-enouf>so DISPLAY=localhost:10.0 export $DISPLAY
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10:34<constintine>My question is actually specific to mac hardware and debian... I have a aftermarket cpu in my mac although i have no clue what it is it shows as a g4 but i know it is not for this mac as it did not ship with a 500mhz g4
10:35<constintine>When i run debian it cannot control the cpu freq
10:35<cahoot>tried dmidecode?
10:35<constintine>cahoot whats that?
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10:36<cahoot>dmidecode provides a dump of the DMI data available from the BIOS
10:36<constintine>This is a mac no bios
10:36<constintine>well... i gues newworld is a bit different
10:38<constintine>cahoot ill try and figure it out cause the freq needs to be 500mhz If not it will run very hot and slow
10:39<constintine>Someone in yahoo said i should compile a new kernel
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10:40<pkhtut>I would like to know about axel downloader
10:41<pkhtut>currently I use wget
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10:41<constintine>Axel is alright... I personally dont like it
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10:41<pkhtut>wget can do with links.txt
10:42<francesco>need some help to make work ralink usb wifi card
10:42<francesco>i'm on sid 2.30-2
10:42<pkhtut>but I like to know if axel can download many links at once
10:42<pkhtut>like wget
10:43<constintine>wget can only download one link at a time
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10:43<pkhtut>yes, but
10:43<pkhtut>for example
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10:43<constintine>unless you ave multiple terminals open
10:43<pkhtut>wget -i links.txt
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10:43<bighornram>is there a logfile of updates taken using aptitude?
10:43<francesco>anyone is experct with rt2870sta driver ?
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10:44<pkhtut>but I could not find axel does it or not
10:44<constintine>and yes pkhtut axel does
10:45<constintine>but good luck getting it to work
10:45<pkhtut>please show me -options
10:45<constintine>I havent got it to work idk??
10:45<constintine>Thats why i didnt use it
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10:46<constintine>francesco i have no clue
10:46<constintine>pkhtut i could not get axel to work for me
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10:47<constintine>so i didn't use it.
10:47<pkhtut>yeah ..
10:47<pkhtut>thanks constintine
10:47<pkhtut>I'll continue googling about it
10:48<pkhtut>bye for now, constintine :)
10:48<bighornram>My machine took an update of libpq5 and since network manager is not working correctly. Can this affect network manager or is this network hosed?
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11:01<francesco>anyone cam help me with rt2870sta driver ?
11:01<constintine>Im sorry i have no clue my card works out of the box...
11:02<constintine>Do you know what the chipset of you adapter is?
11:02<constintine>Ill try to help francesco
11:03<mr_crowley>for the eeepc_???
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11:03<mr_crowley>francesco: for the eeepc?
11:03<qabby>well, i got it working partway now.
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11:04<constintine>mr_crowly > i think he left
11:04<qabby>i want to get it to load into ctrl+alt+f12
11:04<mr_crowley>i think u r right
11:05<qabby>anyways... thanks for the help guys.
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11:05<constintine>so mr_crowley > you are a ppc fan no?
11:06<mr_crowley>no no why....
11:06<constintine>well... i need to find someone that can help me with this stupid mac...
11:07<azeem>constintine: don't ask individuals
11:07<constintine>I like it it just dont like linux and my mac os 10.4 is too slow for me
11:08<constintine>The issue Is cpu freq scaling
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11:11<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to use dvdstyler to create a DVD with a menu - what format is best for the actual videos? I have mp4 at the moment
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11:12<constintine>Emlyemoor any high res should be good depending on you gstreamer plugins
11:13<EmleyMoor>dvdstyler seems to get nowhere with mp4
11:13<constintine>check you plugins
11:14<constintine>for mp4 your gna need gstreamer plugins bad
11:16<EmleyMoor>I hawve gstreamer-plugins-bad
11:16<constintine>or hust convert it if you cant get it i find avi to work well but i dont do dvd's any more really... you can convert with ffmpeg if needed
11:16<constintine>*or if you must..
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11:17<constintine>I havent used dvdstyler for about a year...
11:19<EmleyMoor>I have onlyever tried it briefly and with locally recorded content before
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11:20<constintine>I have never had issues with mp4... its odd that you cant get it to work well check your settings as well
11:21<EmleyMoor>It doesn't not work well, it just freezes up
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11:21<constintine>Slow processor?
11:22<gsimmons>francesco: /sbin/modinfo rt2870sta | grep ^version
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11:22<EmleyMoor>It makes no progress with the first vob over a few hours
11:22<constintine>what kind of cpu do you have?
11:22<EmleyMoor>AMD Phenom 64 Triple Core
11:23<cahoot>no sobering msgs in dmesg?
11:23<EmleyMoor>Nothing about it
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11:24<constintine>Now if its taking that long like i said check your conversion settings
11:25*EmleyMoor can't find any
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11:29<constintine>some times depending on the video file it will take longer but an hour you either have A. wrong plugins or B. settings wrong
11:29<constintine>Like i said haven't used it for about a year
11:30<EmleyMoor>I would have thought I should have been able to see either progress or the reason for none
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11:34<EmleyMoor>Ugh! Awfully blocky!
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11:36<EmleyMoor>How would I convert mp4 to avi without making the picture blocky?
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11:40<EmleyMoor>... or, is there some other format I could try?
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11:43<stuckey_>EmleyMoor: Those are just container formats.
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11:43<stuckey>EmleyMoor: the .mkv container format is often used to-day, it seems.
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11:44<constintine>stucky .mkv is ugly
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11:44<stuckey>It's no good? I don't know anything about it, only that I see it quite often.
11:45<EmleyMoor>Don't care what it is bt when I converted this to avi it went all blocky
11:45<stuckey>Why do you want an .avi?
11:45<constintine>I see it too but this is due to microsoft lovers that have no brain really
11:45<stuckey>constintine: What's wrong with it and what do you think is better?
11:45<constintine>avi works better with dvdstyler
11:46<EmleyMoor>stuckey: I don't particularly but dvdstyler chokes on mp4
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11:46<stuckey>What's dvd styler?
11:46<Dark69>saludos Compañeros!
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11:47<EmleyMoor>stuckey: A program for making DVDs - putting menus on and the like
11:47<EmleyMoor>(if you can suggest something better please do)
11:47<constintine>Honestly stucky .mkv is usually a sign of a dvd rip I lik OGM
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11:50<constintine>I Have done computer forensics and there are a few formats that are singled out as being suspicious One of the main ones is .mkv then avi then mp3...
11:52<constintine>Believe it or not if you back up your audio cd's to .mp3's and lose or break your cd you are required by law in the us to destroy you music you ripped
11:52<constintine>if you dont and get caught...
11:52<constintine>:p Ogg Ogm :)
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11:53<constintine>Free formatr are FREE
11:53<constintine>you can even put them on file share legally
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11:56<constintine>there are however new laws that might go into effect about such fomats...
11:56<azeem>constintine: how is the related to Debian support?
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11:58<constintine>Its not...
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12:07<valdyn>mkv is a free and open format with many features
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12:11<EmleyMoor>Still a very blocky result
12:12<valdyn>EmleyMoor: you probably recoded too
12:12<EmleyMoor>I need to convert mp4 to something without losing quality
12:12<EmleyMoor>valdyn: How do I avoid itL
12:12<valdyn>EmleyMoor: what are you using to repackage?
12:13<EmleyMoor>ffmpeg - but open to suggestions
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12:13<valdyn>EmleyMoor: youre reencoding
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12:13<valdyn>EmleyMoor: mencoder -oac copy -ovc copy -o new.avi file.mp4
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12:14<valdyn>EmleyMoor: you'll lose secondary audio tracks and subtitles anyway though
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12:15<EmleyMoor>Audio and video are now desynced and motion produces horrible effect-
12:15<valdyn>EmleyMoor: -vcodec copy -acodec copy in ffmpeg
12:15<EmleyMoor>Audio and video are now desynced and motion produces horrible effects
12:16<valdyn>EmleyMoor: its possible that that movie cannot just be stuffed into avi i suppose, but id try with ffmpeg first
12:16<valdyn>EmleyMoor: worst case you *have* to reencode - but then ffmpeg has quality settings too
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12:18<EmleyMoor>Trying now. Done an mkv that is good but not sure if that will help
12:19<EmleyMoor>Desyncs audio and video in avi but can probably adjust that
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12:21<midas>hi, im creating a 10TB fs, i was trying to create a partition with gpart or fdisk but both report the devices is too large..
12:22<midas>any idea's on what i should use to make a partition
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12:29<EmleyMoor>Trying with mkvs is producing a similar "is it doing anything?" effect
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12:37<EmleyMoor>I can't make any sense of getting audio and video back in sync with the avi file
12:37<EmleyMoor>Is there any other format I could try?
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12:39<EmleyMoor>Can we help you?
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12:39<Guest15>maybe. I don't know much about networking, and I'm just not sure what I should search for. I'm I have Ubuntu 9.04 on a desktop that is connected to the internet via ethernet cable
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12:40<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:40<Guest15>I also have a netgear wireless adapter, and I want to create a wireless network (of whatever kind works) that will allow my laptop to connect to my desktop and use it's internet access
12:40<Guest15>I can't connect to ubuntu
12:41<Guest15>or #ubuntu
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12:42<Guest15>I'm just wondering if anyone here might know where I should look for this info, oh what I should search for, because I'm not sure what I'm looking for is actually called.
12:42<EmleyMoor>Ad-hoc wireless networking?
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12:46<Guest15>ok, thanks ElmeyMoor... the question mark makes me worry though. lol
12:48<Guest15>Sounds like exactly what I was looking for! Thanks a lot.
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12:48*EmleyMoor is now running dvdstyler with the -e option. I think it's calling ffmpeg but outputting nothing after the stream mapping...
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13:00<francesco>i have a problem with wifi and debian
13:01<francesco>anyone can help me with ralink driver ?
13:02<locklace>can you be more vague
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13:05<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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13:06<angasule>hmm, some_program, I think I'll use that name for my program :)
13:06<stuckey>Anyone know why mocp says FATAL_ERROR: Can't receive value from the server when I launch it?
13:06<Gun_Smoke>would process spawned by a command issued with a nice value be run with the same value? For example nice -n 10 /usr/bin/script/foo ? If it calls on say wget, tar etc. Would those be niced as well?
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13:07<Gun_Smoke>I could look for each and renice each as needed. But there must be a smile way no?
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13:07<chealer>dpkg: no, anyone is <reply>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
13:07<dpkg>chealer: okay
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13:10<stuckey>When I run "mocp" I expect to see the mocp music player and be able to use it, instead I see the interface but then towards the bottom of the screen I see "FATAL_ERROR: Can't receive value from the server." I then can just type exit and it goes away.
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13:12<locklace>Gun_Smoke: yes
13:13<Gun_Smoke>locklace, thanks for confirming that..
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13:15<stuckey>How do I purge something with aptitude?
13:16<locklace>Gun_Smoke: fwiw, the answer is implied by the man page for setpriority(2), via the observations "A child created by fork(2) inherits its parent's nice value", "The nice value is preserved across execve(2)", and "Only the superuser may lower priorities"
13:17<locklace>stuckey: aptitude purge, surprisingly enough
13:17<locklace>!smack stuckey
13:17*dpkg smacks stuckey upside the head.
13:17<stuckey>I thought it was aptitude -purge... I was close.
13:18<stuckey>Stupid thing still doesn't work
13:18<Gun_Smoke>locklace, perfect. It made sense to behave that way. I simply was looking for someone/thing to confirm. You and your reference was exactly that.
13:19<stuckey>What's a segfault?
13:20<stuckey> <--- that's what I see with dmesg.
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13:25<mjt>stuckey: mocp (whatever it is) is buggy, that's basically it.
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13:27<mjt>segmentation fault basically means that the program tried to access a memory it does not have or own.
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13:28<interbird>or an invalid instruction
13:28<interbird>no ?
13:28<mjt>interbird: that's different
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13:29<interbird>but an invalid opcode can trigger a segfault as there is no handler for the invalid opcode
13:30<interbird>like running a 486 kernel on a 386
13:30<locklace>no, it triggers SIGILL.
13:30<mjt>that's sIGILL
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13:32<interbird>well, i don't have an example by hand, but i'm sure, also with emulation, an invalid instruction can trigger a segfault; just by determining the cause of the fault one get's more info
13:33<locklace>!lose interbird
13:33<dpkg>interbird: You Lose.
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13:34<dkay>hello #debian. i got the following problem with "apt-get update" GPG error: lenny/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:
13:34<dkay>where can i download the pubkey?
13:36<locklace>!new archive key
13:36<dpkg>If you have fallen behind with your updates, then you may be receiving this warning from apt-get update: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 9AA38DCD55BE302B". Install the debian-archive-keyring package to load the new key or manually load the new key using apt-key after verifying that it has been correctly signed. Ask me about <secure apt> <apt-key 55BE302B>.
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13:38<dkay>well, thanks locklace
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13:44<interbird>My friend has some AMD sysboard with a Phoenix BIOS; I disabled the onboard AC'97 sound-card but Debian lspci still sees the card and it's still functional. I know this is not a Debian-related question, but does anyone have this experience? (disabeling onboard sound in BIOS and still have it show in lspci and working as the first sound-card?)
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13:44<tuxcrafter>hi all GEODE AES but it is not working with openssl in debian
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13:44<tuxcrafter>does somebody have experience with debian and hardware aes?
13:45<locklace>yes. bios is a joke. if you don't want the card, blacklist the kernel module
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13:47<interbird>locklace: lspci is not dependent on a driver as far as i know; it just probes using a list; sure i can disable the driver, but the problem is that the sblaster is still second and the xine subsystem puts audio to the wrong card
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13:51<bike>anyway i can easily extract all the .debs and udebs in a directory to a given directory?
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13:51<bike>tried with --root=/blaah/ but it complained about some dpkg database
13:52<interbird>so, how do i covince xine to output to the second card instead of the first (should be disabled/no drivers loaded) card? I cannot use GStreamer because it clashes with compiz on video-performance; setting gstreamer-properties won't help because the accel mode is not available
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13:55<xeon-enouf>interbird: in xine's preferences are you set up as 'master of the known universe'? Many more pref options will be shown that you can then adjust
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13:57<interbird>xeon-enouf: sorry, how do i get into the xine's preferences please? i know gstreamer-properties, what's the command to get into xine's? this may be what i'm looking for...
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13:57<xeon-enouf>interbird: well, it's a gui, i haven't used it in a while, but it's easy to get into
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14:00<xeon-enouf>interbird: also, if really needed, see if both cards are listed in /proc/asound/cards - best thing might be for you/them to use a ~/.asoundrc file (or system-wide, a /etc/asoundconf) - see (it's dated, and Lenny is much diff than Squeeze/Sid - in Lenny try 'alsaconf' and set card you want as default)
14:01<xeon-enouf>interbird: you could also just blacklist the kernel module the Onboard is using; "lshal | grep driver" should show it (et al) for lenny, for squeeze and newer pciutils, lspci -k should do
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14:03<xeon-enouf>interbird: in applications 'default' would be the alsa option, now DEs might muck that bit up -- in gnome (which i never used), maybe try system > preferred applications? or system > preferences > sound > ?
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14:03<xeon-enouf>bike: huh?
14:04<bike>i think i got it, dpkg-deb -x blaah.deb .
14:04<bike>but no wildcard is accepted
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14:05<interbird>xeon-enouf: Both are listed even though the onboard one is disabled in BIOS, but like locklace said, that's buggy. I want to tell Totem Xine to output to the SoundBlaster and not to use the flaky onboard (0) card. I have to use Xine because GStreamer does not play well with Compiz. I'll look at your advice an try that tomorrow on my friends machine. Many thanks !
14:05<xeon-enouf>interbird: disabling it in the bios *should* work, perhaps the CMOS settings aren't holding due to dead (cmos) battery - or .. have you tried a cold boot? Saved Config as exiting BIOS setup?
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14:06<interbird>CMOS holds the value, but does not disable; I am very sure of that. I'm also looking voor a BIOS update but firstly I want xine to redirect to the add-on card
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14:11<xeon-enouf>interbird: yes, CMOS holds the value, if the Default BIOS setup (the ROM portion) is coded to have Sound ENABLED, guess what
14:11<xeon-enouf>interbird: yes, even perhaps just reflashig BIOS with same version will fix any possible corruption
14:12<interbird>xeon-enouf: You say sound enabled is a different setting from disabeling the onboard sound-device in BIOS ?
14:12<xeon-enouf>interbird: also check Mobo jumpers, and make sure you're not in Maintenance or Recovery Mode
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14:12<xeon-enouf>interbird: no
14:12<sliim>Bonsoir tout le monde
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14:12<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
14:13<xeon-enouf>interbird: yes, CMOS holds the value, if the Default BIOS setup (the ROM portion) is coded to have "onboard sound-device enabled", guess what
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14:15<xeon-enouf>bike: cd /dir/pool/ ; for i in * ; do "dpkg -x $i" . ; done (maybe)
14:16<interbird>xeon-enouf: not really, sorry. you say disabeling the onboard sound-card in bios is not enough and there is another setting, like sound-device-enabled to disable? Sorry to ask all these questions, don't mind to answer, you gave me some new stuff to try, thanks.
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14:16<xeon-enouf>"dpkg -x $i ." i suppose, if anything
14:16<bike>i've got a list of files i've just replaced a space with dpkg-deb and added . at the end of it but thanks ;) i'll try it before i run this
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14:17<xeon-enouf>interbird: you setting it to Disabled might not be holding, and it's Default might be Enabled
14:17<xeon-enouf>interbird: if your setting isn't holding, it'll revert back to default ROM values
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14:18<bike>ah of course that would work xeon
14:18<xeon-enouf>interbird: i.e.; how it comes out of the factory, prior to anyone configuring BIOS setup
14:18<interbird>it is holding after a cold reboot; powercords removed; waiting for 15min, whatever. I know how CMOS works, even removed the battery. No luck :-(
14:18<xeon-enouf>interbird: ok - then yeah - Bugs ;-) try reflashing ;-)
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14:19<bike>huh interesting, command not found _S
14:19<interbird>well, not with the same version :(((
14:19<xeon-enouf>interbird: yes, same version
14:19<xeon-enouf>if you can't find newer one
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14:19<xeon-enouf>ok, suffer
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14:19<xeon-enouf>bike: which?
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14:20<EmleyMoor>No progress making a DVD image - nothing happened for over 90 mins
14:20<bike>bash: dpkg-deb -x ppp_2.4.3-20050321+2sarge1_m68k.deb . : command not found
14:20<interbird>i hope i can, but that still leaves me with my question how to tell xine to use the card i want, being (1)
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14:20<xeon-enouf>bike: try just dpkg, and which dpkg-deb
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14:20<bike>i did first :S
14:20<xeon-enouf>bike: try just dpkg, and do 'which dpkg-deb'
14:21<xeon-enouf>interbird: we covered that ;-)
14:21<bike>it doesnt matter, i've got them extracted, but that should have worked
14:21<borjuela_>who is speaking spanish
14:21<xeon-enouf>bike: if dpkg doesn't exist, you've screwed the pooch somehow :-p
14:21<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:22<bike> heh it does, i've got them extracted
14:22<bike>beats doing it manually anyway
14:22<borjuela_>tank for help
14:22<xeon-enouf>bike: did you enclose the part in quotes? ..; do "dpkg -x $i ." ; .. ?
14:22<bike>no need to waste anymore time on it =) thanks
14:22<bike>for i in * ; do "dpkg-deb -x $i . " ; done
14:22<xeon-enouf>bike: try removing them then
14:23<xeon-enouf>wait, space!
14:23<xeon-enouf>bike: remove that last blank space there
14:23<xeon-enouf>justafter the .
14:23<interbird>xeon-enouf: i've been suffering ever since ms bullied ihv's into only preloading win so i can handle this little annoyance, thanks for your input some of which i will try tomorry
14:23<bike>or i in * ; do "dpkg-deb -x $i ." . ; done
14:23<bike>no go
14:23<xeon-enouf>interbird: no prob
14:23<bike>very odd it is pulling the right command
14:23<xeon-enouf>no go == ?
14:24<bike>bash: dpkg-deb -x module-init-tools_3.2-pre1-2_m68k.deb .: command not found
14:24<xeon-enouf>where's that OTHER . coming from ? O_o
14:24<bike>i thought you knew :D
14:24<xeon-enouf>bike: do it right
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14:25<xeon-enouf>for i in *; do "dpkg-deb -x $i ."; done
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14:25<borjuela_>i have a question
14:25<bike>hm, with or w/o " . done didnt make any diff
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14:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
14:25<bike>xeon-enouf, aha
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14:25<bike>the quites
14:25<xeon-enouf>bike: do i really have to cp ... ok
14:26<bike>thanks =)
14:26<abrotman>you can use ar x also
14:28<xeon-enouf>abrotman: doesn't the leave one with (most times) 3 files that then need further processing? Haven't done it in a while
14:28<abrotman>depends what he's really trying to do
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14:31<interbird>Just asking; does anyone know if the x-hanging problem on intel i915 (like with Lenny/testing) is solved?
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14:33<xeon-enouf> ->--#+ @ _+_#:/+--/ + +_ -30$ <--look at muh prompt after doing an htop in another tabbed shell ; whilst doing a "$ cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb ./test" in another one :-P
14:34<xeon-enouf>clear didn't/doesn't help
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14:34<xeon-enouf>interbird: maybe in .31 .. not sure
14:35<xeon-enouf>interbird: ask also in #debian on - or try #debian-x here on OFTC
14:35<xeon-enouf>interbird: Lenny shouldn't have the issue? or .. i don't have intelgfx :-)
14:35<interbird>don't think kernel has anything to do with it; it's in the (rewritten) x-org for intel
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14:36<xeon-enouf>interbird: it does - that much i know - 1st xorg 2.8.1 was supposed to solve many issues like that - but then ...
14:36<interbird>xeon-enouf: Sadly, Lenny *does* have this problem...
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14:36<abrotman>interbird: lenny isn't testing .. and did you check the BTS ?
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14:36<xeon-enouf>interbird: using backports? or just straight older xorg?
14:38<xeon-enouf>hrm, i wonder if we can make 'cp' multithreaded :-) seems to use only 1 CPU out of 2
14:38<interbird>It's also in testing, and not in Sid. I'm asking because I have some friends with laptops using intel i915 chipset and when they logout X hangs.
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14:40<interbird>XNest is also pretty useless with this bug
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14:41<abrotman>interbird: i think this may have been fixed with the new xorg in testing (a week or so ago)
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14:42<interbird>abrotman: Yes, I know, but it's not trivial to upgrade Lenny just for the xorg driver, it pulls in lot's of other stuff. So my question is more like: is there a solution for Lenny ?
14:43<abrotman>not that i know of
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14:43<interbird>kee, thanks
14:43<kop>What about building the latest kernel? Is it really xorg's fault?
14:44<interbird>it's in the xorg system, not the kernel
14:44<kop>I don't suppose the new xorg would rebuild on lenny?
14:44<interbird>tried different (recent) kernels with Lenny
14:44<kop>(As easy at that does not sound.;)
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14:46<abrotman>interbird: which kernel? is the 'xorg' package installed? what's the error from the Xorg.0.log ?
14:46<interbird>kop: Like I said, pulling in the sid xorg stuff pulls in lot's of other stuff that breaks Lenny; Totem for instance; compiling a kernel is no solution as the bug is not in the kernel
14:46<kop>interbird: I'm talking recompiling.
14:46<interbird>abrotman: Xorg.0.log does not even record the failure; system hangs hard
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14:47<abrotman>you can't answer the first two questions ?
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14:47<kop>interbird: That way you get a new set of lenny dependencies. But if there are library version build dependencies then it gets tricky fast.
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14:48<interbird>abrotman: sorry, i don't have a question-counter. which ones? i'll be happy to answer if i can
14:48<kop>I used to do stuff like that with RPM all the time, but Debian has been so good to me that I've never had the pressing need and so don't know how to use dpkg. :-(
14:48<abrotman>they were all on the same line
14:49<interbird>kop: yes, tried that, only when i used sid-stuff it worked. sure i can upgrade them to sid, but that is not what i want
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14:52<interbird>it would be *very nice* to have a sid2lenny backport of the xorg for intel i915 driver and i guess something should be in a lenny-rcx release
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15:18<Tuplad>anyone seen jm_ around ? :o
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15:21<abrotman>Tuplad: if you need help, just ask
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15:21<Tuplad>abrotman: it's a tricky issue, and he pretty much knew what it was about, but sure, I'll ask...
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15:29<Tuplad>In Linux, I started GParted and took 20-30gb from a NTFS partition where I store music etc. in Windows(I dual boot), and made a new ext3 partition out of it. When I booted to Windows, the D: drive was not accessible, I guessed gparted messed up and tagged it as ext3 partition. Here, they recommended me to use testdisk to recover the partition, so I did. Once I restarted, the new 20gb partition was added back to the ntfs one, I lost 70gb partition(
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15:31<valdyn>Tuplad: how can you just take 30GB from an NTFS partition?
15:31<Tuplad>valdyn: shrink it
15:31<valdyn>Tuplad: ok
15:31<Tuplad>valdyn: it was free space
15:31<Hyrul>I hate OFTC
15:31<Hyrul>who is french ?'
15:31<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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15:33<Hyrul>ok thanx
15:33<macagua>hi guys
15:33<macagua>how can integrate a plone3 instance with ldap server?
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15:34<Tuplad>so, any suggestions ? :p abrotman
15:35<abrotman>oh jeez
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15:35<Xeross>I accidentally deleted a file, how can I recover it.
15:35<Xeross>it's an ext3 filesystem
15:36<abrotman>Tuplad: not from me .. can you restore the original partitions ?
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15:36<abrotman>Xeross: probably not
15:36<Tuplad>abrotman: no idea how :]
15:36<Tuplad>abrotman: testdisk doesn't give too much information
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15:37<Tuplad>abrotman: I tried, but I didn't get past the analyzing & deep searching in testdisk
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15:37<Xeross>abrotman: yay 15 minutes of filling in that config file
15:37<Tuplad>abrotman: I'd like to start with the easiest: restoring back the windows partition or the linux partition.
15:38<Tuplad>abrotman: another thing is that, the same day I had a grub update, and the testdisk thing somehow f'd up grub.cfg so had to restore that one. well anyway, I can't add windows to it anymore (don't know the hd(x,x) thing), so I didn't try to boot to windows yet.
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15:39*abrotman uses grub2 and os-prober
15:40<xeon-enouf>why would a command like (cd /dir/with/only.debs-for-testing-extraction) "for i in * ; do dpkg -x $i . ; done" entirely lock up the system where only Sysrq can get me out of it (p.s. I initially had swap disabled, and sysrq failed that time, had to hard reset) <--ouch
15:41<Tuplad>abrotman: they function together ? installed os-prober but doesn't do jack...
15:41<Hyrul>Oftc sucks
15:41<xeon-enouf>(i asked in #bash as well .. on freenode)
15:41<xeon-enouf>Hyrul: no, you suck ;-)
15:41<abrotman>Hyrul: do you have a debian related question?
15:41<abrotman>xeon-enouf: don't feed
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15:42<Tuplad>don't "feed", lol ?
15:42<Hyrul><3 <3 port 6667
15:42<macagua>someone use plone on the debian way
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15:42<abrotman>Hyrul: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic
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15:43<sney>ah yes, "oftc sucks, I prefer $worst_ircnet"
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15:44<sney>hmm I was expecting a new 2.6.30 today, guess my mirror doesn't have it yet
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15:46<tadej>hi! is it possible to migrate some system settings like installed packages and migrate them from a virtual machine (which is debian) to a freshly installed copy on a physical computer?
15:46<xeon-enouf>sney: new?
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15:46<sney>-8 or something
15:46<sney>I heard some people talking about it
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15:46<xeon-enouf>tadej: installed pkgs !== system settings
15:47<gerardo>hello i want to use a second screen on my notebook do you know how i can?
15:47<xeon-enouf>tadej: but yes ...
15:47<xeon-enouf>tadej: /msg dpkg selections ; /msg dpkg aptitude clone ; Backup /etc/ and (/home if you want that fr user config)
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15:48<tadej>xeon-enouf: thanks!!!
15:48<xeon-enouf>tadej: also look at bootcd pkg, but might not be useful for your needs
15:48<xeon-enouf>sney: i hang in -kernel to see what's in the pipe
15:49<xeon-enouf>sney: google debian incoming
15:50<gerardo> hello i want to use a second screen on my notebook do you know how i can?
15:51<abrotman>xrandr may help
15:51<gerardo>i look
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16:30<bike>hm , anyone using proftpd ?
16:30<bike>i cant log in here
16:31<bike>says incorrect login
16:31<bike>even tho its not
16:31<abrotman>does your user have a valid shell?
16:32<bike>worked just a few days ago
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16:33<bike>not even to my own user from localhost ;\
16:34<xeon-enouf>bike: FWIW $ for i in * ; do dpkg-deb -x "$i" . ; done <--works
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16:34<xeon-enouf>now .. onto to see what mess ar x causes
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16:35<bike>hehe, couldnt stop thinking about that one eeh?
16:36<interbird>to avoid mess is a battle won half way; but whoami
16:36<abrotman>bike: try a more verbose setting
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16:37<bike>heh woah : Invalid shell: '/bin/bash'
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16:38<abrotman>is /bin/bash on your filesystem?
16:38<bike>yep, but i selected dash not long ago
16:38<interbird>ls -la /bin/bash is broken ?
16:39<bike>nope its there
16:39<xeon-enouf>abrotman: also, fwiw; "for i in * ; do ar x "$i"; done" produces 3 files; control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz, debian-binary
16:39<bike> version 4.0.28(1)
16:39<interbird>dash is shitty IMO
16:39<abrotman>xeon-enouf: i said "Depends what he's trying to do"
16:39<interbird>posix but shitty...
16:39<xeon-enouf>abrotman: i know - not trying to be a PITA - just figuring
16:40<abrotman>interbird: it's just that it links /bin/sh to dash .. some have said in simple testing that it can halve the time for a script to run
16:40<xeon-enouf>abrotman: maybe a variant of the for loop would produce all .debs extracted
16:40<xeon-enouf>abrotman: IOW, that command is only extracting 1 .deb
16:40<xeon-enouf>i have like 90+ in that test dir
16:41<bike>could it be that ProFTPD 1.3.0 doesnt like bash 4.0.28(1) ?
16:41<interbird>abrotman: i know the arguments in favor of dash; still, it's not worthy of a shell in the sense of some real shell-programming. in my opinion
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16:42<abrotman>interbird: and the argument is that if you need bash, use #!/bin/bash i suppose
16:42<locklace>bike: is /bin/bash in /etc/shells and any proftpd-specific list of valid shells?
16:43<bike>hm nope, actually not in /etc/shells
16:43<interbird>yes, i do that and i uderstand that bash is always there; so my shebangs are #!/bin/bash in my shell-scripts
16:43<bike>locklace, thanks that did it
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16:49<interbird>dash me be faster but it sure misses some real-shell-stuff that, when implemented, would not make dash slower, just more up-to-a-shell-task
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16:51<interbird>the posix way of handling if-then-else conditions is horribly shitty
16:51<azeem>interbird: please keep it on topic
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16:52<locklace>the key word is posix. posix is precisely what you need in /bin/sh--nothing more, nothing less.
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16:53<interbird>azeem: sorry, did not know i went anymore 'out-of-topic' then the next or previous visitor; you just woke up ?
16:54<azeem>no, I watched for a while
16:54<mrkai>hallo someone can help withe Internet shearing setup
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16:54<interbird>ahh, luicide dreams...
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16:55<interbird>mrkai: sharing you mean i guess ?
16:56<mrkai>some kind do connect my laptop through a pc
16:56<interbird>what is the "big-internet-entrypoint" you want to share ?
16:57<mrkai>i can setup a dhcp server and get a ip . cant connect to the Internet
16:57<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at . The ipmasq package was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #538384.
16:58<interbird>what is the ip you get from the shcp ? 192.x.y.z or else ?
16:58<Ikarus>is that ancient howto still correct ?
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16:58<Ikarus>ie, did anyone update it
16:58*Ikarus remembers using it back in 2001
16:58<interbird>Ask Daidalus
16:59<Ikarus>hey DAD ;)
16:59<interbird>Hy Son
16:59<s3a>how do I make the arrows for like chemical equations in
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17:00<interbird>s3a: install the math-packages ?
17:00<azeem>s3a: what's special about those compared to other arrows?
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17:00<s3a>azeem, well how do you make "other arrows"?
17:00<s3a>that are not "------>"
17:00<s3a>like i want an actual real arrow
17:01<azeem>s3a: dunno, that'd be your real question then
17:01<flower>is kde3 in debian testing?
17:01<azeem>flower: I think kde4 is
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17:01<interbird>s3a: use UTF-8
17:01<flower>is it possible to install kde3 stuff from repo in debian testing?
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17:02<s3a>interbird, is that a program in lenny repositories?
17:02<valdyn>interbird: yes?
17:02<interbird>but testing remains testing
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17:02<valdyn>judd: versions kde
17:02<judd>valdyn: kde -- etch: 5:47 lenny: 5:48 sid: 5:48
17:02<valdyn>judd: versions kdebase
17:02<judd>valdyn: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 sid: 5:54 squeeze: 5:54
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17:03<interbird>s3a: UTF-8 is what you need to represent more chars like ASCII (simply said); And yes, math is a sub-module of OOo, see if it's installed on your system
17:04<s3a>interbird, package = ?
17:04<interbird>s3a: sounds good; was it already installed or not ?
17:05<s3a>interbird, already installed
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17:05<s3a>interbird, but what do i do like click etc?
17:06<interbird>What do you want to accomplish ?
17:07<s3a>CuSO4 + 4 NH3 + H20 ---> Cu(NH3)4SO4H20
17:07<s3a> i want the arrow to be a real arrow
17:07<azeem>23:00 < interbird> s3a: install the math-packages ?
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17:07<azeem>s3a: did you read the manual
17:07<azeem>also, it might be in the draw package as well
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17:08<interbird>wtf is a real arrow? like the one in the ibm cp437 code-page? what do you want to accomplish or see on the screen...
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17:09<azeem>interbird: a regular arrow
17:09<azeem>I think he doesn't want to type "---->" literally
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17:11<interbird>azeem: those are dashes and a right-angle-bracket; no arrows, sorry. Arrows and the glyphs they are represented by depend on the codepage/charset in use;
17:12<azeem>it's an ascii-art arrow
17:12<interbird>ascii has no art; it stops after 127(d)
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17:13<interbird>there is no arrow in the ascii-set
17:13<azeem>wikipedia seems to disagree with you
17:13<Gingerbread-Man>apt-build upgrade finaly finnished :-)
17:13<interbird>> is no arrow
17:13<azeem>interbird: if you have no idea what a chemical arrow is, maybe you should keep out of the discussion?
17:14<s3a>i dont even know where to read or how to ask for this better than i already have, could it be in the symbols ?
17:14<azeem>s3a: 23:07 < azeem> also, it might be in the draw package as well
17:14<interbird>azeem: i thought i was contributing but if yu want me to be silent; i will, but then give me the numer of the ascii-arrow please
17:14<s3a>ya but those are all unspecifics :(
17:15<azeem>interbird: send me an email, and I'll send it back
17:15<azeem>s3a: tried "insert->drawing" or something?
17:15<johfel>s3a: do you meen ⟶ (unicode U+27F6 LONG RIGHTWARDS ARROW)
17:15<interbird>azeem: is ascii 7 or 8 bit oriented ?
17:15<azeem>interbird: please keep it on topic
17:15<s3a>johfel, yes
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17:16<interbird>azeem: is ascii 7 or 8 bit oriented ?
17:16<s3a>do i type unicode U+27F6 in the symbols area or are you just asking me?
17:16<s3a>johfel, ^
17:16<azeem>interbird: that's off-topic here, sorry
17:17<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
17:17<xeon-enouf>interbird: 7bit , why?
17:17<xeon-enouf>interbird: er .. sorry - let's do this in pm then
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17:18<xeon-enouf>azeem: i don't think that's OT, but it's your call
17:18<xeon-enouf>s3a: no - this isn't windows
17:19<interbird>azeem: you could tell me if you don't know, you know; nobody would put you 'off-topic' you know... No harm...
17:19<s3a>xeon-enouf, i meant insert-->object-->formula and im on lenny not windows
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17:22<interbird>ASCII is a 7-bit code; there is no "glyph" in this table for an arrow; All "glyphs" above 128 are custom.
17:22<azeem>interbird: please keep it on topic
17:22<flower>I want to compile a application, but get:
17:22<azeem>I don't really like to repeat myself
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17:23<interbird>azeem: what was the topic again ?
17:23<azeem>Debian support
17:23<azeem>interbird: are you new here?
17:23<interbird>Like support for Debian on this channel or just Debian stuff ?
17:24<johfel>s3: if you ouse OO: go to the symbols area, choose a good font (e.g. Dejavu Serif), choose the region "Additionally Arrows A" and insert the arrow
17:24<s3a>flower, i have no idea if this would help but maybe apt-get build-dep kde ? if not, i have nothing more to say for you unfortunately
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17:25<azeem>flower: do you have kdelibs4-dev installed?
17:25<johfel>s3: I'm not sure if it is called "Additionally" (i have only a german version), but something like "Arrows(symbols?) A" shoud be correct
17:25<interbird>azeem: If I was new here I would not like you; but I'm not so I know a little bit where you come from. ok ?
17:25<flower>azeem: no
17:26<flower>azeem: install it?
17:26<azeem>flower: yes
17:26<azeem>interbird: please drop it
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17:27<flower>mmh I have that strange thing ..... apt.conf testing as default doesn't work here anymore :/
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17:27<gravol>ssh is working on one machine only, both have Debian Lenny
17:28<johfel>flower: install kde-devel and try again
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17:28<azeem>kde-devel is KDE4, no?
17:28<s3a>johfel, is there an arrow with a longer tail?
17:28<azeem>or doesn't exist in testing, rather
17:28<s3a>johfel, that's good nevermind, and thanks
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17:31<gravol>ssh is working on one machine only, both have Debian Lenny
17:31<s3a>ctrl+shift+b makes a character a subscript, how do i make it an exponent though? (still in
17:31<johfel>azeem: you're correct, kde-devel seems to be only in unstable, but its for kde3
17:31<xeon-enouf>ask some OO.o channel
17:32<azeem>s3a: sorry, we can't teach you how to use OOo
17:33<interbird>flower: If you want to compile something on Debian, and it is packaged, you might want to try: apt-get build-dep <packagename> This will get all the dev-stuff needed to compile the app. Use apt-get source to get the sources of the app. If, however, the sources are *not* Debian then you are on your own and need to satisfy dependencies.
17:33<s3a>well its ook, but thanks anyways, and im in the oo chanel
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17:35<flower>interbird: thanks
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17:39<interbird>s3a: what version of OOo are you using ?
17:39<s3a>2.4 but i solved all of my problems
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17:40<interbird>s3a: ok, nive to hear that. succ7
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17:45<interbird>azeem: I know it's off-topic and droppable, but this is ASCII. Just FYI. 7F is the highest and no "arrow-glyph" is there:
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17:51<interbird>cyres: You know why this little bird hops across the railway ?
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17:54<xeon-enouf>interbird: fwiw; and IMHO; posix is about as alive as !standards
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17:58<interbird>as i remember i did not say anything opposite; i just said that the conformance of dash to posix made it less capable if stuff that bash can do. and since bash is present on almost every linux system one can choose the shebang. i choose bash because it let's me do real powerfull shell-scripting and the fact that dash would break on my scripts is why i don't use #!/bin/sh
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18:02<interbird>FWIW: there are two standards; the ones made afterwards (officially) or the ones that everybody assumes. I don't want to go into detail about this,
18:03<interbird>but mostly the "peoples-standard" is more standard than the "on-paper standard"
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18:08<interbird>In fact, to deliver an "out-of-the-box" experience to the end-user [solution] will most definatley violate many "standards" and other stuff. Still, "to work out-of-the-box" is what we all want; guru or newbe.
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18:20*simonrvn thinks interbird should know the difference between a standard and common usage ...
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18:21<interbird>An interesting question is how "true" Debian can stay to it's own guidelines. Of course Ubuntu takes some glamor because it polished the rough edges of Debian. But Debian was never meant to be for the mass; it was meant to be a universal OS used by people who know what they have and how to use it. Debian should stay like that; every efford to be like Ubuntu is lost because Ubuntu is for the "dummies". Let Debian be as it is; a foundatio
18:21<interbird>n on which others can build.
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18:21*themill wonders for how long interbird is going to ramble on talking to himself
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18:22*simonrvn sighs loudly
18:22<interbird>well, untill i get yet another off-topic warning i ramble... :-)
18:24<themill>interbird: how about showing self-restraint instead. (and try looking up terms like "ascii art" before trying to tell azeem that there's no such thing)
18:25<interbird>themill: well, is there an arrow-glyph in ascii or not? don't burn me, i might be wrong
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18:26<azeem>you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic
18:26<simonrvn>i guess that answers his question
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18:31<bike>anybody know what package is in?
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18:32<azeem>bike: /msg dpkg search
18:32<bike>it thinks im on crack
18:33<bike>found it
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18:57<azeem>interbird: do you have a Debian question?
18:57<azeem>then be either quiet or leave
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19:00<interbird>i am quiet and endulging your power of this channel where you decide who has a voice or not; i mean no harm and just want to communicate; is there anything wrong with that?
19:00<azeem>yes, /msg dpkg ot
19:00<azeem>this is not a chat room
19:01<interbird>i now that, azeem.
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19:03<interbird>would you mind if i catch you chatting ot or are you "uber"
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19:08<abrotman>interbird: stop being a pain .. if you want general chat, go to #debian-offtopic, this channel is for Debian support
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19:13<interbird>abrotman: come'on abrotman, i'm not a pain. I ask valid questions. Maybe i'm chatty... well, live with that or silence me
19:13<abrotman>interbird: or go to #debian-offtopic
19:15<themill>interbird: it's not just being chatty, it's being argumentative, disruptive, troll-like and not trying to understand what people are saying. If you aren't doing that intentionally, then please think about why you are giving that impression. If you are doing it intentionally, then please stop.
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19:20<interbird>themill: argumentative yes, disruptive no, troll no. I understand what is being said and i reply to that. If replying is interpreted as argumentative or disruptive then I'm sorry. No way i meant for that. OK?
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19:21<themill>let's move on then
19:21<katy>como trabajo en gambas?
19:21<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:33<interbird>themill: ?
19:34<interbird>tell azeem i know he was just power-hungry :-)
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19:42<kristianpaul>what is a recommende way of make a partial debian repo?
19:42<streuner__>!own repo
19:42<dpkg>Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./";, or see <reprepro>
19:43<kristianpaul>wait sorry i mean from debian repo
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19:44<kristianpaul>i just dont need all debian arch, just two or three and the sources
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19:44<dpkg>it has been said that debmirror is a script to create a partial Debian mirror. Receiving "public key not found" errors from gpgv? See /usr/share/doc/debmirror/NEWS.Debian. Does not mirror installer-${ARCH} directories, see Debian bug #451120. See also and ask me about <debian mirrors>.
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20:36<kristianpaul> Download of dists/sid/Release failed: Illegal PORT command.
20:37<kristianpaul>got after run debmirror
20:37<kop>kristianpaul: ftp?
20:37<kristianpaul>kop: yes
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20:38<kop>kristianpaul: Ftp (depending) requests the other end open certain ports. I've never seen it, but some servers may not want to open arbitrary ports. Try another mirror.
20:38<kristianpaul>kop: ok
20:39<kop>kristianpaul: I suppose the server could have asked you to open a port below 1024. The other thing to do is switch between passive and active ftp, whichever you're not using.
20:40<kop>kristianpaul: I don't know how to do that with debmirror.
20:40<kristianpaul>kop: how u creat a debian partial mirror then?
20:40<kop>kristianpaul: I followed the instructions on the debian mirror page and use what they recommended there.
20:41<kristianpaul>kop: can u share your debian mirrorconfig?
20:41<kop>kristianpaul: But they seem to assume you're doing push, where the server has an account with you. You can do pull as well. I wound up using the old software just because it was already working. I'll paste it....
20:42<DennisTheTiger>I have a Canon CanoScan LiDE 20 scanner running on Stable, kernel 2.6.26-2-686 (note, running an AMD processor - is that kernel an issue?) The scanner is seen by the system, and usable as root - it is invisible to any regular user on the box. I have so far changed the permissions to 0666 for the device in /proc/bus/usb. What is the correct fix so that the regular userspace can use the scanner?
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20:42<kop>DennisTheTiger: Did you read the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/xsane.... ?
20:43<DennisTheTiger>kop: Not yet. I'm relying largely on the man pages at this time.
20:43<kop>DennisTheTiger: IIRC it says.
20:43<DennisTheTiger>It's through this that I've been able to make it visible to root.
20:43<kop>DennisTheTiger: I did it, but that was years ago.
20:43<DennisTheTiger>lemme look...
20:44<DennisTheTiger>kop: there is no README(* in that directory.
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20:44<DennisTheTiger>Well, perhaps it's in dev. Where in /dev do I look to find my scanner?
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20:46<kristianpaul>kop: thanks
20:46<DennisTheTiger>Or more correctly, how do I find the associated file in /dev?
20:46<kop>DennisTheTiger: You're using xsane?
20:46<DennisTheTiger>kop: yes
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20:47<DennisTheTiger>opening interface
20:47<kop>DennisTheTiger: There's group called scanner, put users with scanner access into it.
20:48<kop>kristianpaul: I had to /msg dpkg to find pastebinit and then install it
20:49<DennisTheTiger>kop: no dice, still invisible to the user
20:49<kop>DennisTheTiger: The user has to login to get new groups.
20:49<kristianpaul>kop: okay, btw, i toticed it differ from the example i have
20:49<DennisTheTiger>kop: and "open a new xterm" != "login", I presume? =)
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20:50<kop>kristianpaul: Dunno. I put it in some time ago. If you want to paste a diff -u I'd look.
20:50<kop>DennisTheTiger: !=
20:50<kristianpaul>kop: wait a amin
20:50<kop>kristianpaul: pastebinit is useful.
20:50<kop>DennisTheTiger: su - == login
20:50<kristianpaul>kop: sure
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20:51<DennisTheTiger>kop: Did the trick, thanks!
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20:51<kop>DennisTheTiger: I swear it's documented somewhere.... Be good to know where.
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20:51<kristianpaul>sorry again
20:55<kop>kristianpaul: What I'm using is not debmirror. It's the script (once) recommended by the mirror group.
20:55<kristianpaul>kop: :O, i see
20:57<kop>kristianpaul: Depending on your purposes the apt-cacher package can be what you want.
20:57<kristianpaul>kop: i think not, i'm working on a debian meta distro
20:58<kop>kristianpaul: Anyway the current recommended mirror script is a derivitive of the one I'm using and will do pull as well as push.
20:58<kristianpaul>kop: okie dokie
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21:59<lwm>hi, df is telling me I have 185G used on a 196G partition, but only 1.1G left, with 100% use%. inode usage is 3%.
22:00<abrotman>reserved space
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22:03<lwm>that sucks but thanks anyway
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23:14<Gun_Smoke>0 4 * * * foo is every forth hour in cron correct?
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23:19<Gun_Smoke>Actually.. I think I found what I was looking for. The above would be 4am, 0,4,8,12,16,20 would be every 4th hour..
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23:22<Gun_Smoke>or even better. *\4
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