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00:00<tcrass>I have a bit of a serious problem that in the 5+ years of using debian I haven't run into... I did a dist-upgrade and rebooted. Now I can't login using root or a normal user. Console login, no GUI on this system.
00:00<tcrass>Anyone have any idea why this would be and how to fix it? I've booted into Knoppix, removed the password hash and everything and it still doesn't work.
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00:01<tcrass>Initially when I booted into Knoppix I found that the shadow file was only 50 bytes in size as well... the passwd and group files were/are fine. I replaced the shadow file from a backup file which had all the appropriate accounts in it.
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00:43<clinton>I've got an eeepc, which maximum native resolution is 1024x600. I'm having issues with some windows showing that are so large vertically that they go off the bottom of the screen and I can't click "OK", for example. Is there anyway to do something about this?
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01:21<ptr>Evening ladies and gents
01:24<ptr>so, I'm having a vpn-related problem---namely, attempting to configure a tap interface for an established openvpn connection to a certain network with dhclient causes the connection to immediately time out and die
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01:24<ptr>because an incorrect static route is getting set--- all traffic is routed over the vpn
01:24<ptr>including, of course, vpn traffic
01:25<ptr>I'm wondering if there's a way to tell dhclient to ignore it when the remote dhcp tells it what gateway to use
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01:27<jm_>you can tell it to ignore some options AFAIK
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01:58<Schachmann>Guten Morgen, ich hätte Bitte eine Frage.
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02:00<Schachmann>Kann ich mittels apt-get , auf das neue Gnome updaten?
02:00<Rhonda>This is english language, please use :)
02:01<jm_>but based on your question I think you want to read how Debian works
02:02<legnaleurc>hi, when i trying to upgrade packages, it kept give a error message:
02:02<legnaleurc>E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on perl
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02:03<legnaleurc>i have cleaned cache but problem still there ... what is the error message mean?
02:04<Rhonda>It sounds like you are in unstable?
02:05<legnaleurc>is this a error of package itself?
02:05<Rhonda>Please use stable. Problems like that aren't that uncommon in unstable and often go away within a few days.
02:05<jm_>although once you hit it you often need to recover manually
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02:06<Rhonda>It might be related to buildd delays on different architectures, or indeed an error of the package itself.
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02:08<legnaleurc>OK, I just found a bug report on perl ( )... maybe it will be fixed later
02:08<legnaleurc>thanks for your help
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02:48<gpm>hi. i can play videos in mplayer but not in xine or totem. in xine it warns me about the codec then plays audio only, in totem it just crashes. mpg files seem to work fine, but mp4, avi are both having this problem. my question is: how do i know which package to downgrade and, if it's helpful, file a bug against?
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03:06<vvas>gpm: packages in the main archive might lack certain codecs for patent reasons, i would add the source of debian multimedia, update/upgrade and try again
03:06<vvas>!tell gpm about dmm
03:08<gpm>vvas: actually it was a dmm package that was causing the trouble!
03:08<gpm>downgrading to the version in fixed it
03:08<gpm>marillat strikes again!
03:08<gpm>i failed to mention that this was not a problem before a recent upgrade
03:10<vvas>in that case, hm, i wouldn't know what's the most appropriate way to report problems with dmm packages
03:11<vvas>the package causing the problem is probably src:xine though
03:11<gpm>you just email him i think. he's pretty nice, i've emailed him before.
03:11<vvas>for totem, you can check which totem* packages are installed, to see which engine it's using
03:12<gpm>yeah, but it was something with libav* (related to ffmpeg?), cause when i downgraded those guys, without touching gstreamer or libxine* it was fixed.
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03:13<vvas>it was fixed for totem only or for xine too?
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03:15<vvas>ah, i see, yes everything seems to be using the ffmpeg libs these days
03:16<vvas>so yeah, try to see which libav* is causing this and give him a shout
03:16<vvas>libavcodec* should probably be your first suspect
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03:18<vvas>but they all come from the same source anyway (src:ffmpeg), so you could even report it as is, your call
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03:27<gpm>vvas: yeah i reported as is
03:28<gpm>another issue, less pressing. the gnome-system-tools used to offer a nice gui for configuring samba shares (and also i think nfs and other protocols) but it seems to have disappeared, is it in a different package or gone forever?
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04:09<tuxcrafter>hi all, i am searching for a debian solution that takes /var/log into a ramdisk/tmpfs on boot and places it back on shutdown to prevent any writes to the root filesystem, but i dont want to use custom init scripts and stuff like that (installign packages and configuration files is fine)
04:09<simplechat>tuxcrafter, i'm guessing you'll need to at least modify rc.local
04:12<vvas>tuxcrafter, what's the reason you want this?
04:12<anton>tuxcrafter, does making a new mount point for /var/log not sound easier?
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04:27<tuxcrafter>vvas: its an CD cart with limited write cycles, i know they new ones have a feauture to spread writes but my iostat is showing 1 write per second
04:28<xeon-enouf>mount using noatime/relatime tuxcrafter
04:28<tuxcrafter>anton: it would still be on the CF cart then
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04:28<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: i do this and i also mount as readonly
04:29<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: realatime is a part of noatime correct
04:29<xeon-enouf>disable printk :-p
04:29<tuxcrafter>so using noatime auto includes relatime
04:29<vvas>tuxcrafter: i see
04:29<xeon-enouf>er relatime, not realatime
04:29<vvas>tuxcrafter: well, it's doable, it just needs some init script hacking
04:29<vvas>tuxcrafter: on boot: mount a tmpfs somewhere, copy files over, then bind-mount it over /var/log
04:29<jm_>you can also change commit interval
04:30<xeon-enouf>just use squashfs or something meant for crappy SD cards
04:30<vvas>tuxcrafter: on shutdown: undo the bind mount, then copy files back
04:31<vvas>tuxcrafter: of course this means that you are going to lose all logs in case of a crash
04:31<tuxcrafter>jm_: < i use those settings to prefent swap and limmit wirtes any more ideas?
04:32<xeon-enouf>you don't have famd or something running, do you?
04:32<tuxcrafter>vvas: losing logs in case of a crash is not that bad
04:32<vvas>tuxcrafter: you can avoid swap writes by simply not having a swap partition / swap file ;^)
04:32<tuxcrafter>xeon-enouf: nope no famd or file monitorings
04:32<vvas>(which would be godawfully slow on a CF card anyway, so little point)
04:32<tuxcrafter>i dont have a swap partition :D but sometimes programs get wierd without a swap
04:33<jm_>tuxcrafter: check laptop-mode.txt
04:34<vvas>yeah what jm said, that's what i had in mind too, laptop-mode was the drive for a lot of vm/writeback related knobs
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05:26<bike_>hm when i do ifup sl0 i get siocsifflags no such file or directory
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05:35<albyyx>hello, i have an issue... just installed debian and it makes no sound at all... i have tried to play mp3 and avi files, they play and there's no error... but there's no sound either
05:35<albyyx>any idea what might be happening? i have checked the mixer and nothing is muted
05:37<themill>!alsa checklist
05:37<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
05:42<peej_>Suppose I have two crappy uplinks for a lan of users and I want failover (if one link fails) to work automatically. What are my options?
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05:55<jm_>peej_: did you read advanced routing howto?
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05:56<xeon-enouf>peej_: /msg dpkg bonding ?
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06:02<peej_>yeah, but isn't there something readymade? Features: gui interface, show connectivity logs, set default users per uplink, statistics - like a pfsense (bsd) or ebox (ubuntu).
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06:04<peej_>sure, you can script something up from the primitives, but it ends up ensuring job security 'cos no one else can understand how it is built.... oh hang on ;-)
06:08<peej_>xeon-enouf, thanks for the bonding tip. I'd forgotten that. Nice and simple for most purposes - I'll have to look at it again...
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06:13<peej_>heh, the reason I'd forgotten about it is 'cos bonding won't handle uplinks to two separate isps, which is what I'm after.
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06:15<xeon-enouf>peej_: ok, how about bridging then? :-)
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06:15<xeon-enouf>peej_: and as jm_ mentioned
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06:24<ret>the next debian release is 'sid' right?
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06:27<themill>ret: no, squeeze.
06:27<ret>there a release date yet?
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06:28<dpkg>Squeeze is anticipated to be released in early 2010 with a freeze starting in December 2009. See and ask me about <squeeze bet>.
06:28<themill>or perhaps not... that's somewhat under discussion still
06:29<ret>any plans on if it's going to remain a CD iso / multiple CD isos? don't have a DVD drive :$
06:29<jm_>there will always be netinst images
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06:35<Rhonda>ret: sid will never be released.
06:36<Rhonda>ret: Given that sid is the name of the neighbour's boy who was out to torture the toys you don't want to have that as any release name. :)
06:36<Rhonda>erm, neighbour's dog, rather
06:36<ret>haha isnt there a thing floating around like, "every time you mention it XXX delays it another month" ?
06:37<Rhonda>Hmm, no, sid is the boy, what was the dog's name again?
06:37<ret>SARGE >=D
06:37<Rhonda>definitely not, sir
06:39<vvas>Scud, apparently
06:39<Rhonda>Ah, right!
06:40<vvas>wikipedia <3
06:40*Rhonda still hates the decision to put the experimental symlink from rc and not from scut.
06:41<Rhonda>rc-buggy was the savior of the first movie and that's just a degrading of his contribution my much :(
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06:44<peej_>xeon-enoug: sure, but I'm looking for something readymade and gui, like pfsense/ebox. Else I can roll my own gui to the lartc stuff and other features that I think would be useful, but I was wondering if I would be reinventing the wheel. Does debian have something already like that?
06:44<prathib>gdebi is not working as a normal user.
06:44<prathib>As soon as "Install Package" button is clicked the window quits
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06:46<peej_>prathib: should it work as a normal user? Has it worked like that before? Does it try to install in privileged locations?
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06:47<prathib>peej_, I am able to use it as a root user. But when I tried as normal user it first asked for the administrator password. Then while clicking the "Install Packages" button the window quits without getting installed
06:51<peej_>it sounds like a permissions problem. Is there a debug or log mode in gdebi? Check the logs then. Otherwise you could run strace to see where the problem lies.
06:51<tadej>anyone knows how to force linux to use only one eth card? I have two cards, eth0 is directly connected to a hub/switched university LAN, the other one connects to a physical router (which actually also sits on UNI LAN with a different IP of course). I know I can remove gateway address from eth1 but is there another way? thanks!
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06:52<tadej>forgot to mention they have to be switched on all the time so ifconfig eth1 down doesn't do, because I need to monitor and map that local connection for any trouble or sniffers there might be
06:55<sussi>hi, i lost few days before my harddisk, what includes my personal datas from /home, so i got 3 new harddisks from WD @320gb, to setup a raid
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06:56<sussi>my qestion is, would it a good selection,build /home on raid1 with 2 active and 1 standby, from the new HD,
06:56<peej_>tadej: if you are monitoring eth1 and forcing use of eth0, then you need to route all outgoing traffic to eth0.
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06:58<peej_>sussi: what's your level of paranoia? one disk at a time failing? Whole machine frying? house burning down? your city nuked?
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06:58<sussi>i have a SCSI-server-HD for 4GB /, 400mb /boot, 5gb /usr, an 9gb /var
06:58<tadej>peej_: yes, this is exactly what I meant, sometimes I just don't find right words. not that much of a noob, but please give me some hints about it
06:59<sussi>you know, if my town get nuked, than raid-level ist the smallest problem!
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07:01<xeon-enouf>tadej: eth1 has a different default gateway as it is, doens't it?
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07:02<xeon-enouf>tadej: do you have any IP forwarding/masquerading set up? from a) iptables and b) /etc/sysctl.conf ?
07:03<weasel>you don't have "*default* gateways" per interface.
07:03<weasel>you usually only have exactly one default gw.
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07:05<Ikarus>Debian installer not working on a Lenovo ideapad S10-2
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07:05<xeon-enouf>weasel: except when each iface has it's own IP?
07:05<weasel>xeon-enouf: no.
07:06<Ikarus>time for an DI from testing I guess
07:07<peej_>sussi: your idea sounds good with me, but I'm no guru. My personal way to do that would be to raid 1 with two drives and have the spare as external back up.
07:07<xeon-enouf>weasel: one NIC plugged into a router and for LAN, using private IPs , and another into a modem->internet will certainly need different default gateways?
07:07<weasel>xeon-enouf: "maybe". not always.
07:07<weasel>depends on the setup
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07:10*xeon-enouf can't imagine how a NIC using 192.168.x,x (as gateway) from a router that has no Internet Connection could possibly be a gateway for another NIC that's plugged directly into a modem which is connected to the Internet
07:11<xeon-enouf>er, not the NIC .. but ..whatever
07:11<tadej>xeon-enouf, both card have their own GW. on is 164.*.*.*, the other is 192.*.*.*
07:11<tadej>no ip forwarding, haven't really edited anything yet
07:11<weasel>cards don't have gateways.
07:11<xeon-enouf>tadej: ok, so the issue is, some requests from eth0 are trying to take/use the eth1 gateway?
07:11*weasel runs away screaming
07:12*xeon-enouf grabs weasel by the collar and drags him back into the fray
07:12<tadej>xeon-enouf, exactly!! for instance at the moment I'm connected to IRC via wrong interface
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07:13<xeon-enouf>tadej: i _think_ you can handle that in /etc/iproute/rt_* files
07:13<xeon-enouf>read docs for iproute2 pkg
07:13<xeon-enouf>see /usr/share/doc/*
07:14<xeon-enouf>tadej: er
07:14<xeon-enouf>$ ll /etc/iproute2/
07:14<xeon-enouf>ematch_map rt_dsfield rt_protos rt_realms rt_scopes rt_tables
07:14<debam123>hi to all, i have 82801G intel corporation audio device and lenny 2.6.26 installed.but after each boot i require to run alsaconf in normal user to use sound
07:15<xeon-enouf>but maybe some simple iptable rules is enough
07:15<xeon-enouf>debam123: do you have a /etc/modprobe.d/sound* file(s)?
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07:16<debam123>xeon-enouf, yes
07:16<xeon-enouf>debam123: pastebin contents, and output of cat /proc/asound/{cards,modules}
07:16<debam123>alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-INTEL
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07:17<xeon-enouf>you want index 0 inthere
07:17<sussi>my spare is a whole HD, because thay are cheap 40 € only, on top of the raid1 i selected a XFS filesystem
07:17<xeon-enouf>what's with the CAPS?
07:17<debam123>xeon-enouf, sorry it is not in caps..
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07:18<xeon-enouf>debam123: does /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.conf exist?
07:18<xeon-enouf>debam123: and pastebin coontents of /etc/modules
07:19<debam123>xeon-enouf, modules has only loop
07:19<xeon-enouf>debam123: 'pgrep udevd' <--does that return a number?
07:19<debam123>xeon-enouf, yes it returns 932
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07:22<debam123>xeon-enouf, there is no modules.conf ,modprobe.conf files
07:22<peej_>tadej: I'm no guru, but you probably want to force eth1 stuff to stay with eth1 using "ip rule add from eth1_ip table rt_table_name_associated_with_eth1"
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07:24<xeon-enouf>debam123: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base ; select ALSA
07:24<xeon-enouf>debam123: and toggle any SoundServers in your DE
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07:25<jm_>debam123: did you try alsactl store?
07:25<xeon-enouf>debam123: and show me what the actual error is once you reboot/restart - just after you make thepastebins i asked for
07:26<xeon-enouf>jm_: ahh .. forgot about that one :-P (been awhile)
07:26<jm_>xeon-enouf: I wonder why some people run into this, but other's not
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07:27<debam123>jm_ alsactl i have tried but same problem comes after reboot
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07:27<jm_>debam123: did you run it after things have been configured properly?
07:27<debam123>jm_ yes
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07:27<xeon-enouf>jm_: perhaps those with multiple cards or perhaps some BIOS settings funk
07:27<jm_>debam123: ok then compare the difference after alsactl is run
07:28<jm_>debam123: sorry I meant alsaconf
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07:28<debam123>jm_ it works after running alsaconf so there is change after alsaconf.
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07:28<debam123>i compared lsmod output both are same
07:28<xeon-enouf>debam123: doesn any /etc/asound* or ~/.asound* exist ? and which DE? - and where are my stinkin pastebins!
07:29<debam123>xeon-enouf, /etc/sound/evend folder exist
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07:29<peej_>tadej: sorry, I believe (and I could be wrong) what you'd do is stuff like "ip route add via gatewayip_of_eth1 dev eth1 table rt_table_name_associated_with_eth1"
07:29<debam123>xeon-enouf, lenny
07:29<xeon-enouf>alsaconf is a script the unloads the snd_* modules, does <something>, asks if you want to write/save to /etc/modprobe.d/ , then reloads proper modules
07:30<jm_>debam123: verify mixer levels before running alsaconf
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07:30<jm_>debam123: also check you don't have some crap in ~/.asoundrc - alsaconf is (was?) known to do that
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07:31<xeon-enouf>who's lenny?
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07:31<xeon-enouf>and why are you telling me information i never asked for, and ignoring the other questions?
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07:32<debam123>jm_ alsamixer works only for sudo ..
07:33<debam123>function snd_ctl_open failed for default:no such file or directory
07:33<xeon-enouf>you're not in audio group?
07:33<debam123>xeon-enouf, groups command shows i am in audio group
07:33<xeon-enouf>!alsa checklist
07:34<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
07:34<jm_>debam123: then you are not in group audio, you have crap in .asoundrc or modules are not loaded, can't think of anything else
07:34<xeon-enouf>your DE must suck ass then, that's all that's left, .. atleast until you paste the info asked for
07:35<debam123>jm_ i have created audio group and then added normal user in that group
07:35<jm_>debam123: created audio group? Debian has it by default
07:35<debam123>jm_ in my things it was not so just i added i think so
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07:35*xeon-enouf wonders how alsa pkgs are owned :-P
07:36<jm_>debam123: ls -l /dev/snd/*
07:36<debam123>xeon-enouf, can you please tell me which are those outputs you want in pastebin
07:36<jm_>debam123: then someone has messed with the system in question
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07:36<xeon-enouf>debam123: you seem to have a screwy installation
07:37<debam123>jm_, ls -l /dev/snd/* shows cannot access : permission denied
07:37<xeon-enouf>debam123: using Gnome? or KDE? show us output of 'groups'
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07:37<xeon-enouf>yep - wanky
07:38<jm_>debam123: no wonder it doesn't work, this is a seriously messed up system
07:38<jm_>so it was option 4) after all :)
07:38<debam123>xeon-enouf, i am using gnome groups output is admin root lp tape audio video plugdev games scanner camera
07:39<Rhonda>Anyone else having issues with synaptics driver and tapping the touchpad for clicks?
07:40<Rhonda>#548357 is my bug report about it, it didn't receive any responses though (besides one person having the same issue)
07:42<xeon-enouf>debam123: pastebin output of dpkg -l alsa* (/msg dpkg pastebin) and go into system > preferences|preferred applications > sound or something
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07:43<xeon-enouf>debam123: and you could test if it's gnome intefering via disabling autologin to it, and just boot into console. login as username, try audio - but your /dev/snd/ (atleast, likely even more) is messed if you can't even ls -l it
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07:51*xeon-enouf presumes debam123 fears paste :-P
07:52<debam123>xeon-enouf, i am changing /dev/snd/* permission audio to admin and changing
07:52<debam123>once i tried this i will paste..
07:52<xeon-enouf>debam123: they should be root:audio
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07:52<xeon-enouf>not admin
07:53<debam123>xeon-enouf, any specific reason
07:53<xeon-enouf>stop toying with stuff, you're only making it worse
07:53<debam123>xeon-enouf, yes this tric not worked.
07:53<xeon-enouf>some trick :-p
07:53<dpkg>i guess houdini is a moron who knows how to type
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07:54<xeon-enouf>!8ball does debam123 moonlight doing stupid pet tricks?
07:54<debam123>xeon-enouf, in console mode also it is giving error as permission denied for mormal user
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07:56<debam123>xeon-enouf, in my system alsa-base,alsa-utils of version 1.0.17.dfsg-4 is installed as well i compiled alsa-modules for 2.6.26-486
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08:21<xeon-enouf>debam123: apt-get update ; apt-get install alsa alsa-oss ... um you compiled what?
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08:25<debam123>xeon-enouf, i have installed alsa-source and installed alsa-modules
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08:26<jm_>debam123: you don't need to do this
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08:26<debam123>jm_ i thought proper /dev is not getting created so its problem with driver
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08:28<jm_>debam123: does it get created?
08:28<debam123>jm_ yes it get created
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08:41<jm_>debam123: but with wrong permissions?
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08:42<debam123>jm_ is there any way to get ride off this running alsaconf
08:42<jm_>debam123: you need to ensure that /dev/snd files get created with proper permissions and I think it will work fine for you
08:44<xeon-enouf>jm_: eww what's this? crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 0 2009-09-27 11:33 controlC0 <-- see the '+' there? isn't that indicative of ACL ?
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08:45<jm_>xeon-enouf: indeed
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08:47*Arafangion blinks
08:48<xeon-enouf>jm_: is something wrong there? that's my system :-( i don't employ ACLs .. and i think my sound is broke, i gave up on it though (computer only-wise) - once they removed all the config tools/utils ;-)
08:48<Arafangion>jm_, xeon-enouf: How many networks are you two on?
08:48<xeon-enouf>Arafangion: IRCnets? yes
08:48<Arafangion>Yes, the IRCnets.
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08:49<jm_>Arafangion: 3
08:49<Arafangion>What's the third?
08:49<jm_>xeon-enouf: it doesn't seem to be the default
08:49<debam123>xeon-enouf, jm_ after running /dev/snd/timer and /dev/snd/seq is getting removed and normal user able to do ls -l /dev/snd/*
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08:50<jm_>debam123: I suspect that's because it removes the modules and reloads them and then they get created with different permissions
08:51<xeon-enouf>jm_: this is friggin odd indeed - i'm wonder what _else_ has that shit
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08:51<xeon-enouf>debam123: i'm sure your custom compile/installs are the cause
08:52<jm_>debam123: try to check this
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08:52<jm_>debam123: also - alsaconf is a script so you can easily see what it does
08:53<xeon-enouf>jm_: acl: /usr/share/man/man1/getfacl.1.gz
08:53<xeon-enouf>acl: /usr/bin/getfacl
08:53<xeon-enouf>ouch - i wonder what pulled that in :-p
08:54<jm_>xeon-enouf: well that's just a set of tools, it wouldn't cause this when installed - I also have them installed
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08:57<xeon-enouf>jm_: right, i presume some software i installed did it, perhaps even alsa-related
08:58<xeon-enouf>jm_: (not necessarily the acl pkg) but actually set/used ACL on those files - but $ getfacl /dev/snd/controlC0 doesn't show anything abnormal to me
08:58<peej_>debam123, did you do your custom compiles The Debian Way (m-a a-i etc) or did you do it The Other Way?
08:59<debam123>peej_, i have compiled in debian way m-a
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09:00*xeon-enouf recalls installing alsa source awwhile back on another box, never really used it, but i recall when poking about it dumped files/configs all over the place :-p
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09:01<jm_>xeon-enouf: do you have ltrace installed?
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09:01<xeon-enouf>debam123: is hal and dbus installed and loaded? since you use gnome - and what exact command gives you which exact error?
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09:02<xeon-enouf>and fix your soundserver too - take it out back and shoot it
09:02<xeon-enouf>!shoot debam123 's soundserver
09:02*dpkg blows debam123 's soundserver away with a German Luger
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09:02<xeon-enouf>jm_: hrm, i would've thought so, but apparently not :-0
09:03<xeon-enouf>jm_: installing now ;-)
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09:03<xeon-enouf> libelfg0 ltrace
09:03<jm_>xeon-enouf: do ltrace getfacl /dev/snd/controlC0 and see what acl_get_file returns
09:03<xeon-enouf>jm_: ok - thanks
09:03<Graveworm>Hi! I need a hint with the hal policies. If I try to mount my usb-stick with dolphin using hal dolphin refuses to do it because of the sticks fstab entry. Where can I tell the hal to ignore my fstab for that device or even at all? It should be something under "/usr/share/hal/fdi/policy"? But do I need to set a new policy or is this behavior already mentioned somewhere?
09:04<xeon-enouf>jm_: acl_get_file("/dev/snd/controlC0", 32768) = 0x099f076c
09:04<jm_>xeon-enouf: so it does seem to have something set
09:04<themill>Graveworm: perhaps just get rid of the fstab entry entirely -- if you're using a policy-based automounter you don't need the fstab entry at all
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09:05<xeon-enouf>jm_: i can't tell what though :-(
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09:05<Graveworm>themill: I need the fstab entry during boot because the stick holds the keyfile for my encrypted hdds. Or is there another way to mount it during boot without fstab?
09:05<xeon-enouf>jm_: i mean, doesn't look pretty normal? i never dealt with ACls
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09:06<jm_>xeon-enouf: mask is not normal
09:07<xeon-enouf>jm_: and i'm curious what, if any issues <whatever-is-set> might cause, and what'll happen if i blatantly remove any ACL things set on those files
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09:07<themill>Graveworm: ahh... no idea. Any combination of automagical and manual normally ends up pretty badly though... I stick with purely automagical and it always just works; others do purely manual and it just works but combinations of the two seem to always end badly. There is presumably an fdi policy that you can tweak but I don't know what or where myself.
09:08<xeon-enouf>jm_: do you know offhand a way to use find to grab any ACL'd files, like say the -mtime or -user option can
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09:09<jm_>xeon-enouf: I don't think find can do this
09:11<Graveworm>themill: Hm...Ok. I'll try to find something in the policies. Thx anyway^^.
09:12<jm_>xeon-enouf: at least not the version in lenny
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09:14<xeon-enouf>jm_: i just checked sid's man page too :-P not much there, except warnings under the -executable, -readable, -writable options, but just says; "This takes access control lists into account"
09:14<jm_>xeon-enouf: ahh better check info pages, much more there
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09:15<xeon-enouf>ooo .. info :-)
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09:22<eeeuser>Erm, stupid question -- which channel is for debian packaging?
09:22<xeon-enouf>jm_ !!
09:22<xeon-enouf> chacl - change the access control list of a file or directory
09:22<xeon-enouf>oh crap - thought it said "check the access...."
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09:35<xeon-enouf>~$ ll $(chacl -l /dev/*/* | grep ',m')
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09:35<xeon-enouf>looks like it's udev's (and/or HALs) fault
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09:50<xeon-enouf>$ for i in $(find .) ; do chacl -l "$i" | grep ',m'; done > ~/ACLshitlist 2>/dev/null
09:50<xeon-enouf>man this is ugly :-P
09:51<debam123>hi to all , i want to install debian from my server system to any client system in network without going to client there any way to do this type of installation?
09:51<petemc>debam123: does the client try and pxe boot at the minute?
09:52<debam123>petemc, if require but i feels client has not to do anythings
09:53<petemc>it will have to do something
09:53<debam123>petemc, else require extra hardware cdrom/dvdrom
09:53<debam123>all client system are not having cdrom/dvdrom
09:53<petemc>look into what pxe is and how it works
09:54<debam123>petemc, etherboot support require as well each boot time it will check for all client system for installation
09:55<xeon-enouf>debam123: i use ssh and debootstrap for that
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09:56<debam123>xeon-enouf,i feels there should bve gui based or text based installation using debootstarp it wont install as required all packages
09:56<xeon-enouf>well, i suppose you just need to have sshd running on the client - but your use of Server/Client implies HostServer to me, and PXE booting, and images
09:56<debam123>some extra packages has to be install after this
09:57<xeon-enouf>look into FAI, or preseed?
09:57<debam123>xeon-enouf, using preseed i did,but not satisfied on that
09:57<debam123>because of partition require to be done at server side manually
09:57<petemc>you're hard to please
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10:04<the-dude>debam123: whats wrong with preseed?
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10:05<debam123>the-dude, like harddisk partitioning it require to done manually and i want that can be done from server system it self
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10:06<the-dude>it can do hard disk partitioning
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10:07<kristianpaul>if i want avoid etch and testing when run, what i should do, cause EXCLUDE="--exclude testing/ --exclude unstable/" seems to dont work
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10:07<the-dude>it can do anything you could do like a normal installation
10:07<ew>I'm a bit lost of what debian version I want to install
10:08<petemc>probably stable then
10:08<ew>I want a server that will be more or less updated
10:08<petemc>definitely stable
10:08<ew>what is stable's name?
10:08<ew>uhm, could you point me a link for an image?
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10:09<ew>before debian site had the name of each version clearly on the images
10:09<debam123>the-dude, how can be done as normal installation from server side?
10:10<ew>but now there seem to be just one set of image
10:10<debam123>sometimes resizing require to be done
10:10<ew>5.03 is that lenny?
10:10<petemc>for most people the net install is all they need
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10:11<the-dude>debam123: I don't know what you want
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10:12<jthomas_sb_>Might anyone know why I cannot dist-upgrade today? Something to do with the Perl package and then dpkg crashes.
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10:14<debam123>hi ,is there any english documentation dim dim installation and configuration on lenny
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10:18<weasel>rockstar: fix your client
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10:25<s0cketka>I've updated my Debian squeeze and the keyboard layout switching stopped working - my settings are at /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. Any idea what's wrong, please?
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10:31*wopr va a riavviare, vediamo se ci sono log questa volta!
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10:49<inkbottle>Hi, I know my cdrom is /dev/hdd because it's the result of wodin --devices. /dev/cdrom is a link to /dev/hdd; however md5sum /dev/cdrom keeps giving me md5sum: /dev/cdrom: Input/output error
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10:58<jthomas_sb_>inkbottle i don't think yuou can run md5sum on a device; you need to mount the device to make it a file. Try as root, 'mkdir /mnt/cdrom && mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom && md5sum /mnt/cdrom'
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11:02<lupine_85>jthomas_sb_: devices are files already, so you can md5sum them with mo problem. I suspect a broken elsewhere
11:03<lupine_85>md5sum /dev/cdrom -> 2052f2f1664e1450c623117b0772a489 /dev/cdrom ; ls -la /dev/cdrom -> /dev/cdrom -> hdb
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11:03<inkbottle>lupine_85, what command line would you use for burning?
11:03<lupine_85>I wouldn't, I'd use k3b :D
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11:04<lupine_85>maybe you can't read an unfinished CD-R
11:04<lupine_85>as a general suggestion
11:05<inkbottle>I used that: wodim dev=/dev/hdd driveropts=burnfree,noforcespeed fs=14M speed=8 -dao -eject -overburn -v debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
11:06<inkbottle>but I have to do it again because testing install failled
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11:26<peej_>debam123, dimdim the web app?
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11:38<OicrealFlamalaer>I am a problem in to iceweasel and java, everwhere i try acess site of bank, iceweasel close *-*.... yes my english is bad
11:39<Ikarus>OicrealFlamalaer: which Java plugin ?
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11:40<Ikarus>OicrealFlamalaer: type in the address bar in iceweasel about:plugins
11:40<Ikarus>and give me the line which says which Java plugin it is ?
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11:41<OicrealFlamalaer>java 6
11:41<OicrealFlamalaer>jre 1.6
11:41<OicrealFlamalaer>java plugin 1.5
11:42<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
11:42*wopr esce... buona giornata
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11:45<pronk>Ouch, just did a full-upgrade on debian-ppc and lost x-org at boot.
11:47<petemc>you didnt anticipate there was potential for such an event using testing?
11:48<pronk>ha, good point. no i have to remind what to type at the black void
11:48<pronk>now i ment
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12:02<user2542>hallo net some help to set up internet shering
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12:03<user2542>some one know how to set up internet shering
12:04<dkr>!tell user2542 about nat
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12:04<user2542>how to set up nat
12:04<user2542>the easy way
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12:06<user2542>i have a look thanks
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12:06<chealer>user2542: it depends on your Internet connection and your available hardware
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12:07<petemc>user2542: aptitude install ipmasq
12:07<pronk> log shows module does not exist: freetype, type1, ati
12:08<user2542>have a dsl dynamic ip , and a debian lenny box on it , the laptop has to go to the pc and then to the internet
12:08<user2542>ther is eth0 to the internet and eyh1
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12:08<petemc>ipmasq makes that all pretty easy, provided you have it all wired up already
12:08<user2542>ther is eth0 to the internet and eth1 to the laptop
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12:09<pronk> log shows module does not exist: freetype, type1, ati on squeeze powerpc. It could not start kdm
12:09<user2542>i have fount some iptaples but it is not easy for me
12:09<petemc>you're not alone, that is why packages such as ipmasq exist
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12:10<user2542>how to setup ipmasq
12:10<petemc>install it
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12:10<user2542>like apt-get install
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12:11<user2542>does it work out of the box
12:11<petemc>it can do
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12:14<dkr>sheesh, you don't need a package to run the two commands necessary for nat (which were explicitly given to you in the above howto url). packages make us too lazy sometimes, :)
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12:22<lancelot_of>hallo everybody...when i switch to console from X via CTRL-ALT-Fx all works fine but the pointer fixed on the screen and the following dmesg error: [drm:i915_get_vblank_counter] *ERROR* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 0
12:23<lancelot_of>i've googled and found it's a drm bug but related to a X crash, but mine doesn't and, however, i found no solution to's just quite annoying for me..
12:23<lancelot_of>any suggestion'
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12:30<kop>lancelot_of: drm problem, that's odd.
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12:33<kop>lancelot_of: If nobody answers ask again later. Usually a few hours from now more people start to come in.
12:35<lancelot_of>ok kop thanks
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12:37<peej_>lancelot_of: lenny? testing? sid?
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12:43<skeletal>Guys, i have a question. Someone can help me please?
12:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:44<skeletal>So, I have a debian in my laptop. But, i would like to have WIRELESS ACCESS. I have a AP Linksys WRT54G here, but i don't how i could to configure wireless in my debian. How can I do that?
12:45<jpinx-eeepc>skeletal: try wicd
12:46<cahoot>skeletal: provided you have a working wlan device
12:46<skeletal>Oh, good!
12:46<skeletal>That sounds great. So, i will go see then. Thanks.
12:47<jpinx-eeepc>cahoot: we'll hear back soon enough if he hasn't ;)
12:47<cahoot>no odds ont that
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12:49<user853>still no internet sheering have installed ipmasq but no internet from eth0 to eth1
12:50<user853>iptaples -L shows a lot , i dont now how to use it .
12:50<user853>I only know in xp ther is just 3 klicks and it works
12:51<user853>why is linux always so complicadet
12:52<user853>please some one out ther , and know how to set it up
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12:56<dli>user853, do you have proper ip_forward setting in /proc/sys/net/ipv4 ?
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12:58<user853>I don't now what has it to be and how can i check it
12:58<dli>user853, cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
12:58<user853>it says 1
12:58<user853>is it good ore bade
12:58<dli>user853, it should be 1 for ip_nat
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12:59<user853>where can i see it
13:00<user853>ther is not cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_nat
13:01<dli>user853, then, try this simple iptable script file:
13:01<dli>user853, you can remove lines about port 22, 5000, also, make sure you set WAN LAN interfaces for your need
13:02<user853>ok i try
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13:06<user853>i have this file how can i put it thru ssh to the pc
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13:07<bja>scp file
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13:08<stuckey>Is it possible to degrade from unstable to testing?
13:08<dli>user853, first, read the script line by line. modify at least WANNIC LANNIC. it's a simple nat, you may block yourself out of ssh connection, if not careful enough
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13:18<user_>now i cant get the ssh file transfer to work to put the skript up
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13:19<bja>stuckey: time is one of your solutions the other is doing a fresh reinstall
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13:21<dli>user_, scp, sftp, or sshfs
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13:22<sylock>I want to modify the max number of open files that a user can open (ulimit -n)
13:22<sylock>is there a way to do it for a simple user? (not root)
13:24<stew>sylock: have a look at /etc/security/limits.conf
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13:25<Rhonda>sylock: simple users can usually just lower that settings, not increase.
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13:26<sylock>thanks stew. once a value modified in /etc/security/limits.conf, I only need to lof off then log on my user?
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13:26<sylock>log off*
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13:30<user__>ok its on the pc
13:30<valdyn>aha, fuck, sid broke perl
13:30<sylock>it don't seems to work : I have that on my /etc/security/limits.conf
13:30<sylock>sylock - nofile 2048
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13:30<sylock>I then log off and log on with my user sylock
13:30<user__>its now in /home/user
13:31<sylock>and : sylock@sylock-desktop:~$ ulimit -n
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13:31<sylock>mmhm. It's working in the ascii teminal
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13:31<user__>chmode 755 to execute it
13:31<sylock>not in the gnome-terminal
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13:33<Gandra>Anyone can help me with a problem of public key on apt-get ?
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13:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
13:36<kop>Gandra: So, what is the problem?
13:36<user__>i run the script and i am out of the pc
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13:37<stuckey>Is there any benefit to running testing compared to stable right now?
13:37<dli>user853, first, read the script line by line. modify at least WANNIC LANNIC. it's a simple nat, you may block yourself out of ssh connection, if not careful enough
13:37<Gandra>I´m running Debian 4.0. When I try to do apt-get update it gives me an error
13:37<dli>user__, I said so be hand:(
13:37<stuckey>Gandra: what's it say? Post it at
13:38<Gandra>I´m translating
13:38<user__>i rebooted now
13:38<user__>and get a ping
13:38<kop>Gandra: The keys changed at some point. You could try just aptitude install debian-keyring and see if that helps.
13:39<user__>and i am in again
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13:39<Gandra>W: GPG Error: etch Release: The following signatures couldn´t be checked because the public key can be not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B
13:40<user__>maybe the script does not like the runing ipmasq
13:40<Gandra>W: You must execute apt-get update to fix these problems
13:40<Gandra>But I´m running apt-get update! ;]
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13:41<valdyn>dpkg: perl breakage is <reply>dpkg --purge latex2html; dpkg --purge perl-doc; rm /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-doc*; dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/perl*.deb
13:41<dpkg>valdyn: okay
13:41<Gandra>I´m stucked on this ... I need to install ruby but apt-get install an outdated version
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13:42<valdyn>Gandra: so?
13:42<valdyn>judd: versions ruby
13:43<judd>valdyn: ruby -- etch: 1.8.2-1 lenny: 4.2 sid: 4.2 squeeze: 4.2
13:43<Gandra>Everytime I do apt-get update I receive this and can´t update my packages
13:43<Gandra>What I can do to fix this ?
13:44<dr|z3d>Gandra: Add a repository to your list that offers a newer version.
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13:45<dli>Gandra, read apt-key wiki:
13:46<bittin>Hello do anyone knows how to do the apt-cache bigger?
13:46<user__>i installed ipmasq and the sript runs now
13:46<petemc>bittin: /msg dpkg mmap
13:47<user__>and iam still in
13:47<jpinx-eeepc>bittin: stop spamming / multiple ask
13:47<user__>now i gona test it
13:48<stuckey>If I have an nvidia card and I want to chagne it out for an ati card, is it a simple matter of un-installing the nvidia packages and installing the ati packages? And then updating the xorg.conf? Or is there more to it?
13:48<Gandra>I will try it dli, thanks
13:48<themill>dpkg: tell Gandra about new archive key
13:48<bittin>petemc: thx :)
13:49<themill>Gandra: what version of ruby are you looking for?
13:49<bittin>petemc: do i need to restart apt for making it work?
13:49<petemc>restart apt?
13:49<valdyn>stuckey: not if you used debian packages for both
13:50<petemc>bittin: there isnt anything to restart, it rereads its config every time its invoked
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13:50<bittin>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room. Please increase the size of APT::Cache-Limit. Current value: 4194304. (man 5 apt.conf)
13:50<stuckey>valdyn: Cool, thanks
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13:51<bittin>even if added the APT::Cache-Limit "12582912";
13:51<petemc>bittin: read the rest of the factoid
13:51<user__>ok its not working
13:51<user__>to bad
13:52<bittin>can't i just set the apt-cache to unlimited?
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13:54<user__>still no internet sharing
13:55<petemc>user__: can you ping the machine running ipmasq from the client machine?
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13:55<user__>yes i can
13:55<petemc>and does the client machine have the address of eth1 on the ipmasq machine as its gateway?
13:55<user__>eth1 has a static ip and i can reach it
13:56<user__>but it is not sendig me from eth1 over eth0 to the internet
13:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 393] by debhelper
13:57<user__>and iptable -L shows a lot chain input and chain forward
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13:59<petemc>did you notice the question i asked you?
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13:59<user__>no gateway
14:00<petemc>so how then do you expect it work?
14:00<user__>i try this set a gateway in /etc/network/interfaces
14:01<petemc>is your client machine a debian machine?
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14:01<user__>yes bothe debian lenny
14:01<user__>i can have ssh
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14:02<petemc>ip route add default via
14:02<petemc>change the ip to whatever eth1 is on the ipmasq box
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14:03<petemc>or use /etc/network/interfaces, which is probably a better way
14:03<bittin>got it to work now :)
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14:04<user__>eth1 on the pc is and this is wher i conect my laptop to go to the internet
14:04<user__>but its not sending me to eth0 to the internet
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14:06<petemc>user__: you need to do some reading to get a better idea of whats required to make this all work
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14:09<user__>yes i now but all what i read and try is just not working sory
14:10<petemc>do you now have a gateway on the client machine?
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14:12<user__>yes i put the gateway ther restarted the networking to go to the pc and still not routing to the internet can see the pc
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14:17<EmleyMoor>dvdstyler is working, now I've done the re-encodhing first :-)
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14:19<stuckey>Hello, I just changed video cards from nvidia to ati. I removed the nvidia packages and installed the ati packages, updated xorg.conf, rebooted, and now I just get a black screen.
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14:19<stuckey>I get the black screen after it says something about launching xdm in the terminal.
14:20*jpinx-eeepc wonders who stuckey is now ;)
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14:24<dli>stuckey, open source ati driver from testing(squeeze) should get mode setting auto
14:24<stuckey>dli: what does that mean?
14:24<bittin>is there any 2.6.31 package out for Debian yet?
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14:25<bja>judd: kernels
14:25<judd>bja: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
14:25<bittin>nope no stable 2.6.31 yet :(
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14:29<stuckey>is it possible to open another terminal while in recovery mode?
14:29<stuckey>It doesn't seem to work
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14:31<stuckey>valdyn: removing nvidia packages, installing ati packages, and updating xorg didn't work. I get a black screen before xdm.
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14:31<boobsbr>I just got a vps server running debian 5 and I'm having trouble with locales
14:32<bja>stuckey: what kernel are you using, ati packages afaik are broken on .30
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14:32<dondelelcaro>!tell boobsbr -about ask
14:32<stuckey>bja: i'm using 2.26.30 amd64
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14:33<boobsbr>dondeelcaro: sorry
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14:33<bja>stuckey: you are better off with the nvidia card
14:34<stuckey>I wanted to use the open-source ati driver...
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14:34<bja>stuckey: check bts for any fixes
14:34<stuckey>bja: Is there a way I can make it work?
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14:35<stuckey>bja: I have older kernel versions installed... could I boot to one of them?
14:35<stuckey>I mean, does it work in older kernel versions?
14:35<dondelelcaro>boobsbr: no need to apologize; it's just for your information
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14:36<bja>stuckey: i know for sure that it worked on .26 but i don't know how much of your installation will suffer with the kernel downgrade
14:37<stuckey>But maybe I could use an older kernel and then move back up to .30 when it works?
14:38<dli>stuckey, try 2.6.31 kernel with 6.12.3 ati driver
14:38<bja>stuckey: your are the owner of your system i guess it is your choice
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14:38<pronk>well my trouble with the ati r128 is over. squeeze forgot to d/l drivers for new xorg and I had to disable int10
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14:52<leper>hello how can i crack a wep wifi
14:53<tallaferro>it's easy
14:53<tallaferro>use aircrack-ng
14:53<leper>and it have all packages?
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14:53<tallaferro>you must know the chipset of the adapter
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14:54<tallaferro>ant then find the correct driver
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14:54<leper>and how i know it?
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14:54<tallaferro>refer to the documentation in, it's well explained
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15:05<stuckey>judd: versions radeon
15:05<judd>stuckey: radeon --
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15:07<stuckey>For a radeon card I just need the x-org radeon driver installed, correct?
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15:08<stuckey>judd: versions linux-firmware
15:08<judd>stuckey: linux-firmware --
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15:19<darsie>I put the current keys in /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg but apt-get still can't install debian-archive-keyring with authentication. Where do I have to install which keys from my up to date machine?
15:20<darsie>I don't want to download them unauthenticated because they might be faked.
15:21<rudi_s>darsie: You must import them into apt-key IIRC; man apt-key.
15:22<chealer>darsie: which Debian suite do you use?
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15:33<ret>i had to shave my head today ;-;
15:33<ret>ah crap wrong irc
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15:35<stuckey>By downgrading to an older version of xserver-xorg-core the problem was solved.
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15:36<darsie>still doesn't work ... I did apt-key exportall on one machine and apt-get add on the other. The keys are there but apt-get still can't authenticate.
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15:37<darsie>hmm, maybe apt-get update helps.
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15:38<darsie>yep, now it works. Thanks!
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15:40<stuckey>When I downgrade a package, will it be automatically upgrade when I do "aptitude upgrade"?
15:41<[aga]>good evening, im having a little tiny issue.. i have a data partition where i store all my stuff.. i have used chown -R to my user, and everything looks okay, but still some files inside are owned by root
15:41<[aga]>and i dunno what i've done wrong
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15:49<stuckey>yes it will
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15:54<sarc_3>is it possible to setup exim4 on a Debian machine to only send email?
15:55<sarc_3>or will you face relay issues?
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16:00<osman>i need help
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16:01<stuckey>I'm trying to install anjuta but I get an error about packages being broken:
16:02<adb>oops ..
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16:06<osman>im trying to install debian ia54
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16:07<adb>amd64 i guess
16:08<osman>ia64 is not that the same thing
16:08<dpkg>[ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>.
16:09<osman>wat i have to use is the amd64 iso that they have
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16:10<peej_>stuckey, does it barf if you accept the solution given?
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16:10<osman>so what is better for i7
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16:11<stuckey>peej_: I don't know... haven't tried it yet. Should I try it?
16:13<peej_>stuckey: yup. Like it says, you have a screwy system and it is offering you a fix that doesn't lobotomize your system - so go ahead.
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16:14<chealer>osman: perhaps ask #debian-amd64
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16:14<stuckey>peej_: my system is screwy?
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16:14<peej_>stuckey, that's a technical term.
16:15<stuckey>peej_: How is it screwy?
16:15<peej_>stuckey, you have a broken dependency
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16:17<stuckey>peej_: what's that mean?
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16:20<peej_>it means your system got its knickers in a twist. That's a technical term which means you probably installed and removed stuff in a way that left libs lying around that are incompatible with the parts of the package you are installing. You should generally avoid downgrades with big important packages that are used by lots of other packages.
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16:21<stuckey>peej_: i downgraded xserver-xorg-core because the version i had was broke
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16:22<peej_>fixing the reason it was broken might have been wiser.
16:23<stuckey>peej_: but this thing with anjuta was happening before the downgrade.
16:23<peej_>...but wisdom is something you gain from experiences like this ;-)
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16:25<peej_>stuckey, so the anjuta dependency problem may be due to other bits of the system that have been forced to downgrade or installed in odd ways.
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16:35<stuckey>peej_: hmm... no, I've only installed stuff with aptitude. Though I removed some nvidia stuff with dpkg...
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16:41<noise_>how can i write a game?
16:41<stuckey>How big of a security issue could installing browser plugins be?
16:41<noise_>what programs i need?
16:42<stuckey>noise_: You can write tic-tac-toe with a stadard A4 sheet of paper and a pencil.
16:42<noise_>you think that are funny?
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16:43<noise_>if you dont know to talk ,shut up
16:43<stuckey>Most games are written in C/C++
16:44<noise_>thank you for the info.
16:44<noise_>prince of persi 1?
16:47<noise_>How ca i become a programmer?
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16:52<jago>hi everybody, I'm looking for help
16:53<Marillion>is this the question or the answer?
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16:56<chealer>noise_: please watch your language. this is not the place to learn how to program. check perhaps
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17:03<noise_>fuck off
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17:06<jago>nobody ?
17:06<adb>jago, for ?
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17:08<jago>I'm looking for help, a sound problem...
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17:09<adb>want we ask you for your problem... ?
17:10<Marillion>jago: Please do not betray too much, otherwise you could still help you!
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17:10<jago>I have absolutely no sound for about a week now
17:10<jago>I use a debian testing, KDE4 and a sounblaster audigy SE
17:11<jago>the problem occurred after an upgrade and I have no idea where it could come from
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17:13*Marillion use _not_ KDE and sqeeze
17:14<jago>I was hoping a better answer :p
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17:15<Marillion>jago: try a live-cd or look at "lsmod" to load all modules, and look at KDE4 for mute-control, or start another WindowManager
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17:16<Marillion>jago: and look at the BTS for bug-reports
17:17<Marillion>i believe KDE4 is known broken
17:17<jago>my sound module (ca106) is loaded and the system is not mute (verified with alsamixer)
17:17<jago>Marillion_ : what is BTS ?
17:19<jago>thanks, it seems it will be difficult to find something...
17:19<Marillion>Debian is stable and _not_ testing/sid better is to use stable +
17:19<Marillion>Debian is stable and _not_ testing/sid, better is to use stable +
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17:22<jago>yes that's true.. but usually I don't have problem with testing
17:22<jago>big problems occurred once in a while
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17:24<Marillion>if you want KDE4? Use deb lenny main for backport lenny
17:24<stuckey>Marillion: are there backports for lots of stuff? I looked once but it seemed that there wasn't much on
17:25<Marillion>jago: is unofficial backport, but better as sqeeze
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17:26<Marillion>at the moment ;)
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17:27*bja smells debian-devel hard work :)
17:29<Marillion>stuckey: many but not all *iirc*
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17:36<jago>thanks for your help guys
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17:36<caca>anybody can talk to me?
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18:11<ComradeHaz>!pearl break
18:11<ComradeHaz>!pearl breakage
18:11<ComradeHaz>!whatis pearl breakage
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18:11<bja>from #debian-devels FUCKED: Xorg (#548716), perl (#548848)
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18:12<ComradeHaz>!tell ComradeHaz about perl breakage
18:12<bja>dpkg: tell ComradeHaz about selftell
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18:13<ComradeHaz>I could have asked someone else to tell me
18:13<ComradeHaz>would that have made more sense?
18:13<ComradeHaz>if you think so, you must be mad
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18:14<bja>ComradeHaz: you could have /msg dpkg ... which is more polite for everyone in the channel
18:14<ComradeHaz>didn't know that worked
18:14<bja>its in the topic
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18:15<themill>(and you've been told to /msg the bot before... it's not like it's new)
18:16<ComradeHaz>My word, it's not like I was interrupting a load of conversations.
18:16<valdyn>!perl breakage
18:16<dpkg>dpkg --purge latex2html; dpkg --purge perl-doc; rm /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-doc*; dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/perl*.deb
18:16<valdyn>bja: that one ^^ ?
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18:17<EmleyMoor>How many bytes is the maximum DVD dual layer image?
18:17<ComradeHaz>random and off topic :D
18:17<valdyn>EmleyMoor: you should read the dvd spec, not ask us
18:17<bja>valdyn: i don't know, perl on lenny is working perfectly
18:17<ComradeHaz>you might get shouted at for that :D
18:17<valdyn>bja: sure, this is about sid
18:18<valdyn>bja: where perl broke aptitude and apt-get
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18:19<bja>valdyn: I have a vm with sid running, i just haven't got time to update it, too much work this last few days
18:19<EmleyMoor>Damn, I'm nearly 800000 over
18:19<valdyn>bja: that bug might not show for everyone anyway
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18:19<ComradeHaz>Well, I can confirm the fix dpkg spams about perl works just fine for me on an unstable system
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18:20<valdyn>ComradeHaz: excellent
18:20<ComradeHaz>Really can't believe I got shouted at for reading th log and getting that spammed to me instead of asking again as so many would :/
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18:21<ComradeHaz>(I know it seems daft but my clients gone mad and won't let me copy from channel windows, only queries
18:22<Mish_>Apache is using 100% of the CPU, looking at things I think Apache is using the CPU by trashing the disk with logs, the disk is software raid (/dev/md1). Is there any way I can tell how much CPU the software raid is using?
18:22<valdyn>ComradeHaz: for some funny reason its not yet in the topic
18:22<valdyn>ComradeHaz: guess not to many people got hit by it
18:23<ComradeHaz>I did on 2 machines
18:23<valdyn>ComradeHaz: I see
18:23<ComradeHaz>can't be bothered turning on laptop now, it could be 3 PD
18:24<valdyn>EmleyMoor: the actual dvds you can buy usually have more space than the spec requires
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18:24<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i cant tell you how much that is, but less than 1MB is probably easily within that range
18:25<themill>ComradeHaz: considering that a fixed package has already been uploaded, wait for your mirror to update and it won't be broken at all
18:25<valdyn>Mish_: its not the software raid
18:25<valdyn>Mish_: is the log even growing real fast?
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18:25<ComradeHaz>oh, random asside, I have a Lenny Net INst AMD 64 disc I've used a few times to instal from now and every time I am prompted to and do, set a root password in setup and of corse the usual main user. However, when the system boots the new install I cannot login at all either as root or the user I set. I have to reboot to single user mode and reset root password.
18:26<valdyn>Mish_: maybe you are reading %wa for what it is *not*
18:26<ComradeHaz>There is no sign of the user I create either, (no home file etc) so I have to recreat that too). Has anyone else seen this?
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18:27<Mish_>valdyn: 1000 websites, lots of constant logging.
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18:27<valdyn>Mish_: whatever "lots" is
18:27<valdyn>Mish_: you did not tell me
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18:28<valdyn>Mish_: its quite irrelevant how many websites you are hosting
18:28<ComradeHaz>[23:25:19] <themill> ComradeHaz: considering that a fixed package has already been uploaded, wait for your mirror to update and it won't be broken at all <--- good show. You seem rather hostile old thing. Why's that?
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18:29<ComradeHaz>Well, goodnight all
18:29<valdyn>Mish_: whatever though, your raid can probably account for 10% of your cpu in the worst case, thats not a good place to start improving anything
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18:32<Mish_>valdyn: I wonder if it's just the act of logging that's bogging apache down
18:32<valdyn>Mish_: its not
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18:33<valdyn>Mish_: one log line is ~100bytes
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18:34<valdyn>Mish_: you need to look at the in details , tools at hand are vmstat, top, iotop
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18:37<Mish_>valdyn: Cheers, next question: Why would 'htop' show apache using 100% of the CPU, while 'top' shows it 79% idle.
18:38<valdyn>Mish_: both tools are not able to measure this accurately at all
18:38<valdyn>Mish_: look at your totals
18:39<valdyn>Mish_: you already know that apache is the main cpu % consumer, after that you need only the sums ( %wa %id %whatever
18:40<EmleyMoor>Mish_: How many cores do you have?
18:40<Mish_>2 Physical, 4 visible,.
18:42<valdyn>Mish_: yea well, xeon means nothing
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18:49<hachi>hi all, anyone know how to get grub-pc to use both the serial console and the vga console like grub-legacy does?
18:49<hachi>I can only find docs in the debian stuff on how to do one or the other
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18:59<Mish_>valdyn: The more I look at this, the more I think our "IPMonitor" software and "htop" are wrong and "atop" and "top" are right. The CPU isn't being thrashed.
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19:02<Mish_>valdyn: In fact, now I know it, the load average is "load average: 0.29, 0.46, 0.48" - I'm guessing that htop and IPMonitor are both counting up all application percentage usage or cpu usage and getting over 100% due to multiple processors.
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19:16<tadej>I have changed my prompt colors in ~/.bashrc now my root is colored, new users are colored too but my regular user account is stil '\u@\h: \w$ '
19:16<tadej>any ideas?
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19:20<adb>tadej, logout/in is done ?
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19:41<vvas>w00t, a new version of the memtest86+ package is out, which incorporates my patch for its grub.d/ file
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19:44<vane>oi galera
19:45<vane>tem alguem ai
19:45<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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19:47<xente>hey....on my squeeze box, whenever there is a window action, the music skips...anyone else have this problem?
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20:17<openknoppix>haha. im so confused
20:17<lintian>so am i.
20:17<openknoppix>im running openknoppix... i installed it to my hard drive, i was wondering how to update kde? because im using kde 3.4
20:18<openknoppix>which looks like... Windows ME :P
20:18<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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20:32<xente>any ideas?
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20:35<adb>old CPU , hight load ... ?
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20:38<xente> didn't used to do this
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20:40<adb>ah squeeze .. try /msg dpkg squeeze
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20:40<abrotman>do what?
20:41<niels-lyhne>A lot of time passed since I last connected to the IRC! How can I search for a channel?
20:42<iccy>they still havent gotten that far with the technology
20:43<niels-lyhne>Zzz... Zzz...
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20:47<abrotman>niels-lyhne: /list *foo*
20:48<niels-lyhne>Thank you!
20:52<Mish_>Does anyone know of an active archive/mirror of sarge (Debian 3) backports?
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20:52<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Mish_ -about sarge
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20:56<Rowin>So I used to have the sleep button on my keyboard mapped to "xset force suspend" using xbindkeys, but after an update I did a while back, it started putting Debian into a suspend that I couldn't get out of :(
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20:59<Rowin>Oops, I hope d0rt didn't try hitting his suspend button :/
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21:16<a_debian_user>when i boot debian all process of butibgs is normal until it tries to load the gnome settings daemon it fails
21:16<a_debian_user>but desktop loads
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21:25<xeon-enouf>a_debian_user: "butibgs"?
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21:27<a_debian_user>butibugs = booting
21:29<abrotman>a_debian_user: have you done a full-upgrade lately ?
21:30<a_debian_user>fresh install
21:30<a_debian_user>no updates
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21:33<abrotman>install of what?
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21:36<a_debian_user>of debian 5.0
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21:36<a_debian_user>this the first time than i boot
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21:38<abrotman>how did ytou install xorg/gnome ?
21:39<a_debian_user>by the installer ... hmm this so strange
21:40<a_debian_user>graphical mode
21:41<abrotman>a_debian_user: try 'aptitude install gnome xorg'
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21:55<a_debian_user>i have another problem whe in try to get root permision to use aptitude it says that im not in the sudoers file
21:55<abrotman>so configure sudoers
21:56<dondelelcaro>visudo is your friend.
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21:58<a_debian_user>how i run it
21:58<a_debian_user>and how i use it
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22:00<xeon-enouf>a_debian_user: /msg dpkg su ; /msg dpkg sudoers
22:00<xeon-enouf>a_debian_user: and /msg dpkg sudo :-0
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---Logclosed Wed Sep 30 00:00:23 2009