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00:04<jessie>so is anybody here familiar with grub/bootloader issues?
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00:05<jessie>is anybody even here or is this IRC a joke :-(
00:06<Kvant>i'm here, haven't had any problems with grub, though
00:06<dmw>jessie: what is you local time?
00:07<jessie>its 11pm here, why
00:07<dmw>just wondering on europe is 6 am most people are still sleeping
00:07<dmw>if at all
00:07<jessie>Ok well I type it out anyway and see if anybody says anything... I made a new kernel via a tutorial, it compiled fine, but grub didn't update right.. I tried grub-update, and it didnt work either
00:08<jessie>err update-grub
00:08<dmw>did you add your kernel imaget to /boot
00:09<jessie>well im not sure honestly I followed the tutorial verbatim, how do I check?
00:09<jessie>all the commands/compiling came back error free, so I assume that it told me to do was right, but im not sure what happened hehe
00:09<dmw>ls /boot
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00:10<jessie>its indeed in there
00:10<jessie>and update-grub listed it too
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00:11<jessie>the catch to my installation is, I installed backtrack 4 to my hdd after i installed ubuntu and vista
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00:11<jessie>so im wondering how much is in its menu.lst
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00:15<jessie>start keylogger
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00:56<xeon-enouf>let's not ... and just say you did
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01:01<obamaizbadmmkay>So who here is pro with the grub errors?
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01:54<cubiq>hi everyone, I have a small debian lenny file server on a gigabit lan but I get very low local network speed (sftp and ntfv4, especially writes) to that server from other PCs. I tried disabling ipv6 but nothing changed, is there something I should check?
01:55<jm_>cubiq: define low
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01:56<cubiq>jm_: 5mbits
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01:58<osman>hi I need the nvidia driver how do I install them im new in debian
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01:59<jm_>cubiq: how fast are disk writes?
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02:02<cubiq>jm_: good question, never checked it out, but ext hdd USB transfers are extremely fast so I think that's the bottleneck
02:04<jm_>cubiq: you mean you don't think?
02:04<jm_>cubiq: did you test it with netperf?
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02:04<cubiq>jm_: yes, sorry keyboard ate a "don't"
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02:05<cubiq>jm_: googling about netperf
02:05<jm_>cubiq: apt-cache show netperf
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02:06<jm_>osman: go to
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02:07<osman>where can i get the drivers for nvidia
02:07<amol>hi to all,i have reinstalled lenny on notebook,but having same problem of permission denied for normal user
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02:08<amol>permission denied for /dev/snd*
02:08<cubiq>osman: "apt-cache search nvidia-kernel" find the appropriate kernel and "sudo apt-get install" it
02:09<amol>i am not having /etc/asound.conf as well ~/.asoundrc file
02:09<jm_>amol: is your user in group audio?
02:09<amol>jm_, yes
02:10<jm_>amol: and ls -l /dev/snd shows files are writable for group audio?
02:10<amol>jm_ as well i changed permission /dev/snd/* to a+rw
02:10<jm_>amol: you should not need to chang eit, it should be created like that by default
02:10<jm_>amol: when did you add user to group audio?
02:11<amol>jm_ after creating user
02:11<jm_>amol: but before you logged in?
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02:12<amol>jm_ yes
02:12<amol>before logged in
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02:13<jm_>amol: well something doesn't match in this story, paste the output (on pastebin!) of: id ; ls -ld /dev/snd ; ls -l /dev/snd
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02:17<jm_>amol: you didn't paste everything I asked for, are you related to debam123?
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02:19<jm_>or your problem anyway
02:21<jm_>amol: your /dev/snd directory has wrong permissions
02:21<amol>jm_ what should be permission?
02:22<jm_>amol: 755
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02:29<cubiq>jm_: wow... the test performed 468Mbits/sec
02:30<cubiq>from 468 to 5 is a huge difference... where could be the problem?
02:30<jm_>cubiq: that sounds OK
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02:32<cubiq>well at least it doesn't seem am ethernet driver related issue
02:33<jm_>cubiq: how about an idiot nc test? on server run 'nc -l -p 12345 | dd of=/dev/null' and on client run 'nc server 12345 < /dev/zero'
02:33<jm_>leave it running for a while then ctrl-c it on the client - does it report good rate?
02:33<cubiq>let's see
02:34<jm_>next try the same test that involes disk access - first on the client and then on the server, and then on both
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02:41<cubiq>jm_: I'm getting 54mbits read 33mbits write
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02:42<hansw>I need to rebuild a debian package from source, applying a patch to the source. I've never done this before, can anyone provide some pointers to how it's done?
02:42<jm_>cubiq: that sounds pretty slow to me, what kind of hardware is this?
02:42<jm_>hansw: not anyone can
02:43<hansw>jm_: someone?
02:43<jm_>hansw: absolutely
02:43<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
02:43<jm_>ignore the sid part
02:43<cubiq>jm_: wait, nc returns MB not Mbits
02:44<jm_>and stop at step 3) - when apt unpacks it, go into the dir, edit the stuff and then buil dit with debuild -uc -us -b
02:44<hansw>jm_: I'll give it a try. Cheers
02:45<jm_>cubiq: right, that's OK, se disk speed is as expected -- for sftp try using different compression, I also remember there was some patch to speed up ssh transfers
02:45<cubiq>jm_: however it's a small via epia embedded board clocked at 1.2ghz. HD is a standard 3.5 sata drive
02:45<Jerryclunsford>Can anyone tell me where I can find information on installing Lenny on a hp dl360 ghp server?
02:45<jm_>cubiq: that would be a factor for sftp - check CPU using while transfer is going on
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02:45<jm_>hansw: no worries
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02:45<cubiq>jm_: but I'm getting the same poor performance through nfs4
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02:48<jm_>cubiq: can't say about that, did you try ftp?
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02:48<jm_>cubiq: doesn't nfsv4 also involve encryption? or at least integrity checking? did you try nfsv3?
02:50<cubiq>jm_: I'll investigate that way, thank you so much for your help I've learned a lot today
02:50<jm_>cubiq: no problem
02:51<cubiq>I'll try to remove compression/encryption from file transfers
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02:51<Jerryclunsford>Any one know anything about Installing Debian on a HP DL360 G4p server?
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02:52<jm_>Jerryclunsford: why do you think that's so special that someone needs to know about it?
02:52*xeon-enouf is special :-p
02:52<Jerryclunsford>I'm having problems
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02:52*xeon-enouf guessed so much
02:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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02:55<Jerryclunsford>Ok, I'm tring to install lenny with a internet install and when it gets to select and install software it just sits there. The progress moves about a 1/4 inch and that's it.
02:55<jm_>is the machine still responsive when that happens? can you switch to tty2?
02:56<Jerryclunsford>no it won't do anything.\
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02:57<jm_>did you try to switch to tty2?
02:57<Jerryclunsford>I don't have any Idea what tty2 is I'm new to the os.
02:57<jm_>alt-f2 to switch to tty1, alt-f1 to switch back to tty1
02:58<Jerryclunsford>I'll give it a try
02:58<jm_>or alt-<cursor left/right> to go left/right ...
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02:58<Jerryclunsford>Nope nothing
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02:59<jm_>are keyboard leds blinking?
02:59<jm_>are you using a GUI install? try ctrl-alt-f2
03:00<Jerryclunsford>ok got busy box
03:01<xeon-enouf>now hit alt-f4 and see messages?
03:01<xeon-enouf>could use BOOT_DEBUG=3 at boot time too - hit f1-f10, and /msg dpkg ig
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03:08<agata>Hello... i'm having an issue (another)... i can run a program as root, but when i try to launch the same program from my user, it throws an error and shuts down... any idea idea why is this happening? i installed it from synaptics, from my user session...
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03:09<jm_>agata: are you using debian?
03:10<agata>yeap, i have etch installed... the lenny dvd wasn't working...
03:10<jm_>which program is it?
03:10<agata>(it's a long story but debian, in the end
03:10<agata>it's deluge, something for torrents... but i thought it was better to ask here since i can run it no problem from root but not from my user
03:10<agata>kind of odd
03:11<jm_>which port did you tell it to use?
03:11<agata>it's a range let me check, i'll run it again
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03:12<Jerryclunsford>Ok it says Warning untrusted versions of the packages will be installed!... whiptail linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 libnewt0.52 libss10.9.8 ... do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway. to ... init: init: starting pid 1269,tty ' /dev/ttys' : '-/bin/sh
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03:12<agata>6881 to 6889
03:12<jm_>so that's not the problem, does it say anything before it stops? it's probably a good idea to upgrade to lenny and try a newer version
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03:13<agata>moment i will check the exact error message...
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03:13<agata> what(): boost::filesystem::default_name_check: default name check already set
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03:13<agata>i think it might be related to the fact that i have a data partition, it started after using chown to my user on it
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03:14<agata>but everything looks fine to me there, im just the owner of /dev/sda1 and all subfolders
03:14<agata>however, i should upgrade.. but i am the master of disasters while upgrading and always something stops working *sigh*
03:15<jm_>well you can try and strace it
03:15<agata>strace jm_ ?
03:15<jm_>agata: yes
03:15<agata>what's that?
03:15<jm_>apt-cache show strace
03:15<ptr>a thing of beauty
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03:16<Jerryclunsford>Can I get past this or do I need to restart the install?
03:16<agata>looks nice... i will check it :)
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03:17<jm_>Jerryclunsford: that looks like it is stuck while downloading stuff
03:18<Jerryclunsford>yes its done it about 6 times
03:18<jm_>try to download stuff manually on tty2
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03:19<agata>i t hink it's gonna be a good idea to upgrade... just change the etch - stable by lenny - testing in sources.list?
03:19<jm_>agata: just read release notes
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03:19<agata>ok doki thanks a bunch :)
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03:22<Jerryclunsford>I don't have any idea how or what I would need to download to finish the installation
03:23<Jerryclunsford>I guess I'll have to try one of the other installs
03:23<jm_>it should mention what it's doing on tty3 or 4
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03:25<Jerryclunsford>I've tried the graphical install and insall they both did the same thing
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03:27<Jerryclunsford>What about the expert install in advanced options? Do you think it would do any better
03:28<jm_>unlikely, that just gives you more options
03:28<jm_>you really should find out where exactly it stops first, alternatively try the installer with a more recent kernel
03:29<Jerryclunsford>I had the problem once before gave up on it and the next day it went right through
03:30<jm_>it should tell which file it's downloading on tty3/4, so try to download it manually and see if that goes through
03:31<jm_>but it's weird it complains about untrusted packages
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03:31<jm_>are you sure you are using lenny installer?
03:31<jm_>and that it's downloading from stable?
03:32<Jerryclunsford>I suppose you acces tty3/4 the same 1&2 . It say's that is lenny after it is installed.
03:32<jm_>after it is installed? doesn't it fail *while* installing?
03:32<jm_>yup, f3 and f4 and so on
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03:33<Jerryclunsford>I used the same disk on an old 450 mhz computer.
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03:35<Jerryclunsford>I'll download he the newest now should have already done it but know how it is when you get a new toy even if it is used
03:35<jm_>you'll get the same version on
03:35<dpkg>For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of
03:35<jm_>that's a newer one
03:37<Jerryclunsford>is that a network install or full download
03:39<Jerryclunsford>Thank a lot jm
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03:40<jm_>Jerryclunsford: no worries, ask here if there are problems with it still
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03:41<jm_>i'll be gone for a while, need to get my watt meter repaired, stupid thing died after being used for 6 times and sitting in a closet for 8 months
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03:42<leikh>As of today email harvesters don't support javascript. Is it likely that they will overcome this obstacle in the near future?
03:43<locklace>jm_: is it a dell
03:44<jm_>locklace: he said HP DL360 G4p
03:44<cubiq>jm_: don't know if you care.... anyway I did some more testing with my lan, and it seems that KDE4 gui (client side) adds a lot of overhead. I reached 33MB/s with the terminal on nfs4 and 10MB/s on sftp
03:44<jm_>cubiq: ahh I thought you were testing with some CLI tool, ala sftp or lftp
03:45<jm_>for nfs cp would be OK
03:45<locklace>jm_: not that, your watt meter
03:45<jm_>locklace: ahh no, conrad ;)
03:46<cubiq>jm_: I used dd for nfs4 and sftp and scp for ssh
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03:46<cubiq>jm_: KDE eats about 50% of network speed... can't believe it
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03:47<jm_>cubiq: that explains why perfromance with nc was as expected
03:49<jm_>that somewhat helps with my quest for new hardware for firewall - if nano can do 33MB/s then perhaps atom is also OK for me - righ tnow I was thinking of sempron 140
03:49<jm_>not that nano :)
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03:51<cubiq_>whoops... connection lost
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04:30<Jerryclunsford>Well the new lenny is downloaded, burned and it locks up with the keyboard lights flashing after the installer starts loading
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04:44<blueldr137>Why does debian keep telling me that I'm not in the sudoer's file?
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04:44<blueldr137>and how can I get root access?
04:44<petemc>blueldr137: probably because you're not in the sudoers file
04:45<blueldr137>thanks for helping me petemc
04:45<petemc>no sweat
04:45<blueldr137>type visudo at the terminal?
04:45<petemc>you'll need to su first
04:46<blueldr137>type "su visudo"?
04:46<Gold24>just su
04:46<blueldr137>ok then enter the root password
04:47<blueldr137>I did that now type "visudo"?
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04:49<blueldr137>ok so now i'm in sudoers file... how do I grant myself root permissions?
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04:53<blueldr137>do I type under "User privilege specification".... 'my username' ALL=(ALL) ALL ??
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04:54<hollo>hi.. i dont know if any in here is into the "route" command, but i want to add the following line "route add -net netmask gw", i need to route traffic from one network to another, but im not allowed because the gateway is not on the same network.. do anyone know if there is a way to force this route?
04:54<cubiq_>blueldr137: affermative
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04:55<blueldr137>thanks cubiq... how do I save and exit visudo?
04:55<cubiq_>is it using vi or nano?
04:56<cubiq_>blueldr137: do you have a list of options at the bottom of the screen? (Get hep, WriteOut Read File, etc)
04:56<hollo>blueldr137, like normal vi... ":wq" ?
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04:56<blueldr137>yes how do I trigger those commands?
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04:56<Gold24>hit ESC
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04:56<Gold24>and type it
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04:57<hollo>blueldr137, and make sure the text "Insert" is not visible in the bottom.. as Gold24 said.. just press "Esc" until the text is gone.
04:57<cubiq_>blueldr137: if you have those option you are under nano, type ctrl+<the key>
04:58<Gold24>oh oops
04:58<cubiq_>blueldr137: ctrl+O to save and ctrl+X to exit
04:58<blueldr137>ok thanks
04:58<babilen>blueldr137: and don't forget to delete any ':wq' string you might have in the file now ;-)
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04:59<blueldr137>what is a ':wq
04:59<blueldr137>' string?
04:59<babilen>blueldr137: it is a vi command. 'wq' is short for *w*rite *q*uit
05:00<blueldr137>oh ok... thanks
05:00<cubiq_>blueldr137: they are vi commands, vi is an editor like nano. they have different sytanx
05:01<blueldr137>when I go to my terminal and type "groups", it only lists "my own username" and "root". Is that normal?
05:01<cubiq_>(okay okay vi is not like nano... it was just to let him understand okay?! :D :P )
05:02<babilen>cubiq_: hehe
05:06<blueldr137>I thought when a user typed in groups in the terminal it listed more than just their own username and root? :P
05:06<cubiq_>it should list all user's groups
05:07<blueldr137>for me it just lists my username and root
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05:07<blueldr137>is that an issue I should be worried about? lol
05:08<cubiq_>you shouldn't be in root...
05:08<blueldr137>does that present a security risk?
05:09<cubiq_>generally speaking, yes...
05:10<blueldr137>Is there a way I can reset my default groups?
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05:10<cubiq_>what kind of installation did you perform? bare system? desktop environment?
05:11<blueldr137>a desktop environment
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05:13<cubiq_>did you manually change your groups?
05:14<blueldr137>a friend of mine issued some commands that manually changed them
05:14<blueldr137>something like usermod -G root...
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05:15<themill>!desktop groups
05:15<dpkg>The standard groups in Debian that a desktop user would normally be in are: dialout (modem usage), cdrom (CD/DVD), floppy, audio, video (video devices), plugdev (usb disks), netdev (network configuration through hal/networkmanager/wicd), powerdev (power scheme management). Ask me about <group> and <groups>.
05:16<cubiq_>attack of the bots
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05:19<blueldr137>would a new install simply be the easiest to reset the groups?
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05:20<cubiq_>blueldr137: I wouldn't say "easiest" :)
05:23<cubiq_>as root do: useradd -G cdrom,floppy,audio,video,plugdev,netdev,powerdev YOUR_USER_NAME
05:23<blueldr137>ok let me try that
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05:25<cubiq_>then: usermod -G root YOUR_USER_NAME
05:25<blueldr137>it said "useradd: user MY_USER_NAME exists"
05:25<jm_>use useradd without -G
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05:25<jm_>and use adduser instead
05:25<cubiq_>oh yes sorry :)
05:26<blueldr137>let me try it again
05:26<cubiq_>that is to add a new user
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05:26<cubiq_>go for usermod -a G blahblahblah YOUR_USER_NAME
05:27<blueldr137>ok it opened up the useradd options
05:27<cubiq_>go for usermod -a -G blahblahblah YOUR_USER_NAME
05:27<blueldr137>lol :)
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05:28<blueldr137>ok I did that :)
05:29<blueldr137>:( it still just says "my username" and "root" when I type in "groups"
05:29<petemc>you need to log out and back in for group changes to take effect
05:30<blueldr137>oh ok let me try that I'll be back
05:30<jm_>indeed or use sg/newgrp
05:30<cubiq_>yes right
05:30<blueldr137>thanks :)
05:30<blueldr137>back in a sec
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05:31<blueldr137>im back
05:31<blueldr137>everything including root
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05:32<blueldr137>it now says everything including root
05:32<cubiq_>good, you may remove it if you want
05:32<blueldr137>ok how? type 'usermod -a -G root USER_NAME'?
05:33<weasel>why would anybody do that?
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05:34<cubiq_>usermod -G root YOUR_USER_NAME (if I remember)
05:34<blueldr137>ok let me try that
05:34<weasel>what does 'id' say exactly?
05:34<weasel>copy/paste the output.
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05:34<jm_>someone added root for him before
05:35<lucasn>can someone here tell me why i keep getting these errors when trying to copy files to my ext2 formatted SD card?
05:35<blueldr137>ok let me logout again and I'll be back in a sec
05:35<lucasn>[ 8643.220180] mmcblk0: error -110 transferring data
05:35<lucasn>[ 8643.220200] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 2211907
05:35<lucasn>[ 8653.220060] mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt.
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05:36<lucasn>the card is brand new
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05:36<weasel>probably because ext2 is the very wrong filesystem for flash.
05:36<lucasn>which should i use then?
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05:36<lucasn>the documents i read all suggested the various flash filesystems were only for "raw" flash memory
05:36<blueldr137>im back
05:37<lucasn>but memory cards present as block devices
05:37<blueldr137>wow this is terrible... all it says now is "MY_USER_NAME" and "root" :(
05:37<blueldr137>when I type in groups
05:37<weasel>blueldr137: Wed 11:34:23 <weasel> what does 'id' say exactly?
05:37<weasel>Wed 11:34:26 <weasel> copy/paste the output.
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05:39<blueldr137>uid=1000("myusername") gid=1000("myusername") groups=0(root),1000("myusername")
05:39<lucasn>weasel: which fs should I use, then?
05:39<weasel>blueldr137: don't do that.
05:39<weasel>blueldr137: I want to know what it says EXACTLY
05:39<weasel>it certainly doesn't say "myusername"
05:39<blueldr137>lol ok
05:39<weasel>blueldr137: so, copy paste the output.
05:39<weasel>lucasn: I'd have assumed JJFS2, but you do have a point
05:40<blueldr137>uid=1000(graham) gid=1000(graham) groups=0(root),1000(graham)
05:40<weasel>blueldr137: what does "id braham" say?
05:40<weasel>erm, "id graham"
05:40<blueldr137>uid=1000(graham) gid=1000(graham) groups=0(root),1000(graham)
05:40<blueldr137>thanks weasel
05:40<weasel>"getent group root"
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05:41<blueldr137>getent group root
05:41<weasel>what does it say?
05:41<weasel>"deluser graham root"
05:41<weasel>what does "id graham" say now?
05:42<blueldr137>bash: deluser: command not found
05:42<weasel>run it as root.
05:42<weasel>(or with sudo)
05:43<blueldr137>uid=1000(graham) gid=1000(graham) groups=1000(graham)
05:43<weasel>logout and login again. you're done.
05:44<blueldr137>ok thanks weasel :)
05:44*weasel bows. exit stage left.
05:44<blueldr137>let me logout and I'll be back in a second
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05:46<blueldr137>i'm back
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05:46<blueldr137>now when I type in groups it just lists my username "graham"
05:46<cubiq_>blueldr137: now add the other groups
05:46<blueldr137>is that an issue? shouldn't it say "cdrom,floppy,etc..."
05:47<blueldr137>ok with the usermod command? "usermod -a -G blahblahblah graham"?
05:49<blueldr137>ok let me logout, and I'll be back lol
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05:49<jm_>why is all this LOL-able?
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05:50<blueldr137>i'm back
05:50<blueldr137>now it says "graham cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev" Is that all it should say?
05:51<cubiq_>who knows
05:51<petemc>blueldr137: you only need those groups if you plan to use devices that correspond to them, and its trivial to add yourself to the relevant group if and when you encounter such a need
05:52<petemc>so adding yourself blithely to every group is fairly pointless
05:52<blueldr137>I see
05:52<petemc>perhaps you should have thought about what it was you were doing before doing it
05:52<cubiq_>blueldr137: do you have a printer?
05:53<blueldr137>would adding myself to the root group and then removing myself from the root group corrupt any part of debian?
05:53<blueldr137>petemc: ok thks
05:54<blueldr137>cubiq_: yes
05:54<cubiq_>can you print? don't remember if you need to add yourself to a group to print
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05:55<blueldr137>I haven't set up my printer yet... I don't think linux supports it.
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05:55<blueldr137>but I'm going to try in a couple of days
05:56<blueldr137>I'll be back on here in like 6 hours...
05:56<cubiq_>well said
05:57<blueldr137>thanks again cubiq, weasel, and petemc :)
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08:29<woocyfear>Hello everybody
08:29<woocyfear>can somebody use gmailfs?
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08:30<woocyfear>when i mount it the folder where i mount it becomes a file and i can't do nothing
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08:32<woocyfear>mount -t gmailfs /usr/local/bin/ -o,fsname=zOlRRa /mnt/gmailfs -p
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08:32<woocyfear>i used this command
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08:33<woocyfear>and this - mount.gmailfs none -o,fsname=zOlRRa /mnt/gmailfs -p
08:34<woocyfear>and this - mount.gmailfs none -o -p /mnt/gmailfs
08:34<woocyfear>all do the same thing, not working
08:35<woocyfear>it's a bug, or i do something wrong?
08:36<woocyfear>can somebody help me?
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08:37<woocyfear>please help me
08:38<cubiq_>shouldn't you pass the password as well?
08:38*peej_ waits for woocyfear to paste the password here ;-)
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08:39<cubiq_>ahaha :)
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08:39<cubiq_>I mean at mount time
08:39<cubiq_>not here
08:40<peej_>I assume he's mounting it manually and gets prompted for a password...
08:40<woocyfear>yes i entered the password and it is ok
08:41<woocyfear>i tried to enter bad password and i got an error message
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08:41<woocyfear>so the authentication is ok
08:41<peej_>ok, do you have to spec read/write privileges too?
08:41<bypass>list = xchat_list_get(ph, "dcc");
08:41<bypass> if(list)
08:41<bypass> {
08:41<bypass> xchat_print(ph, "--- DCC LIST ------------------\n"
08:41<bypass> "File To/From KB/s Position\n");
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08:42<woocyfear>i don't understand this, i mounted as root
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08:43<woocyfear>df -h /mnt/gmailfs
08:43<woocyfear>df: `/mnt/gmailfs': No space left on device
08:43<woocyfear>df: no file systems processed
08:43<jm_>woocyfear: there's a similar bug in BTS IIRC
08:44<woocyfear>what is that?
08:44<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
08:45<woocyfear>so what can i do now?
08:45<peej_>does your kernel support FUSE?
08:45<jm_>you should check bugs for this package as well
08:45<woocyfear>i don't now, i'm new in linux
08:46<jm_>grep FUSE /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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08:47<woocyfear>this is the result
08:47<jm_>so it does
08:48<peej_>woocyfear, what does plain df say?
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08:49<woocyfear>df: `/mnt/gmailfs': No space left on device
08:49<woocyfear>df: no file systems processed
08:50<peej_>can you pastebin your mount output and your df output for your entire system please?
08:50<woocyfear>where ca i find that?
08:51<woocyfear>in the console there is no output
08:51<peej_>dpkg, pastebin?
08:51<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
08:51<woocyfear>i know what is pastebin
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08:52<woocyfear>where is the the output?
08:52<peej_>dpkg, pastebin is also
08:52<dpkg>okay, peej_
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08:55<woocyfear>what do i paste?
08:55<peej_>mount | column -t
08:55<peej_>their output
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08:56<peej_>eg, like in :
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09:03<woocyfear>this is what you wanted?
09:04<peej_>sure. Did you create the mount point before mounting ? Ie did you do a "mkdir /mnt/gmailfs" before the mount incantation??
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09:05<woocyfear>mkdir /mnt/gmailfs
09:05<woocyfear>oh yes, i created
09:06<peej_>what does "file /mnt/gmailfs" say ?
09:06<woocyfear>/mnt/gmailfs: ERROR: cannot open `/mnt/gmailfs' (No space left on device)
09:07<woocyfear>now it is mounted, when i umount it says - /mnt/gmailfs: directory
09:08<peej_>does mount -v (for verbose) tell you more when you mount it again?
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09:14<peej_>hmm. looks like it's probably a bug in testing and stable, like jm_ said.
09:16<woocyfear>mount -v is not working
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09:16<woocyfear>the -v is not recognized
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09:17<woocyfear>it says - Ignored option :rw
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09:23<woocyfear>any idea<
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09:26<SharpRain>What is this PLACE
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09:35<s0lid>is here some debianppc channel or something?
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09:35<s0lid>ah found it
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10:03<alyvest>hi, i need help for configuring a partition ext3
10:04<alyvest>i don't manage to write on it with a standard user
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10:06<alyvest>anyone ?
10:06<exn>configuration ?
10:08<alyvest>i d'ont know how to put a umask option in fstab
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10:09<OdyX>alyvest: man fstab
10:09<exn>man mount ;)
10:09<exn>there umask=value
10:10<cahoot>does he really want to set umask on ext3?
10:10<exn>but I think it's a bad idea to set umask for ext3 partition
10:10<alyvest>why it's a bad idea ?
10:10<exn>anybody had tried to set umask for ext3 ? it works ?
10:11<alyvest>umask=value don't work for me
10:11<cahoot>use ordinary permissionsettings
10:11<exn>alyvest , because you can create directory with permissions you want
10:12<alyvest>so.. what's the good solution, i explain my problem
10:12<alyvest>i want to mount a partition
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10:12<alyvest>where different users can write on it
10:12<alyvest>and different users can read/write files owned by other
10:13<alyvest>you see what i mean ?
10:13<exn>suid bit will help you
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10:14<alyvest>not a sgid ?
10:14<cahoot>alyvest: create a group for the users, put the users in the group, make the group 'own' the dir - man chown etcetera
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10:15<alyvest>i do it
10:15<alyvest>my group is netdev
10:15<alyvest>n° 110
10:15<s0lid>so anyone knows how tell G4 macs firmware which ide device is hdd and which cd drive?
10:15<s0lid>now it thinks both of my drives are HDs
10:15<alyvest>the folder /var/www is 775
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10:15<alyvest>and owned by root:netdev
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10:16<alyvest>but when i do the mount, users can't write anymore in the folder
10:16<edbian>How can I set up NIS so that sudo works throughout my network? Is there a way to also push out my /etc/sudoers from my server to my clients?
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10:20<exn>alyvest, you must create group , create directory , set suid and 770 for this directory. put your users which will work with it in this group
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10:21<alyvest>@exn, i do this things
10:21<exn>directory must be owned to this new group of course
10:21<exn>and what problems
10:22<alyvest>my group is netdev, the directory is '/var/www' owned by root:netdev
10:22<exn>ls -ld /var/www please
10:22<alyvest>my users can write in this folder
10:22<alyvest>but not when a do a mount on it
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10:24<exn>alyvest, you just doing something wrong
10:24<exn>it works fine
10:24<alyvest>i found something which work
10:25<alyvest>in options : rw,users
10:25<alyvest>but anyone can write
10:25<exn>lol man
10:25<exn>k, it your choose
10:25<alyvest>but what i want,it's just the group netdev
10:26<exn>I'v explained how to do it
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10:26<alyvest>i do all you said
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10:26<exn>if it does not works means only you did something wrong
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10:27<alyvest>i think so, but what ? ^
10:27<alyvest>i have a directory :
10:27<alyvest>drwxrwxr-x 2 root netdev 4,0K sep 30 16:16 www
10:27<alyvest>only root, and users in netdev can write, it's what i want
10:28<alyvest>but i don't understand what i have to write in fstab to keep this way
10:28<exn>chmod +s /var/www
10:29<exn>I'v said it many times
10:30<alyvest>and after that
10:30<alyvest>when i mount my partition
10:30<alyvest>anybody can write
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10:44<runix__>heyas. does /etc/apt/preferences uses a '.d' dir? (like /etc/apt/apt.conf.d)
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10:52<Graven>hi is wer da der sich mit debian gut auskennt ? und mir bissel helfen mag such nen mentor :) bevorzugt wen der auch ts hat
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10:54<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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11:03<bja>Is there a Debian installer for the PS3?
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11:05<s0lid>iirc yea
11:05<s0lid>Select and install programs: 1% wait...
11:05<s0lid>wtf :D
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11:08<cubiq_>bja: yep, there should be a not official debian version for ps3
11:08<canardpc>hello everybody
11:09<cubiq_>bja: a quick google search should help you
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11:09<bja>cubiq_: i'll keep searching, debianizing yellowdog seems a little overkill
11:09<canardpc>I recently updated from lenny to unstable, and I have some trouble with my apt/source.list . Here is it :
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11:09<canardpc>the line how gives me problems are the 12. and the 14.
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11:10<canardpc>can anyone help me ?
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11:11<cubiq_>bja: this is what I have in my delicious bookmarks, never tried myself
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11:14<cubiq_>bja: they seem to run ubuntu on ps3 (can I say 'ubuntu'? :P )
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11:17<bja>cubiq_: taking a look at those right now, thx
11:17<canardpc>can someone help me ?
11:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:19<Jamolski>i need to apply a patch
11:20<Jamolski>to the latest kernel
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11:20<Jamolski>the problem is the patch is created for an old release
11:20<Jamolski>is someone know how to adapt this patch ?
11:20<Jamolski>any tool ?
11:21<bja>man patch
11:21<Jamolski>the patch i want to apply :
11:21<canardpc>hello Jamolski ^^
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11:40<bittin>debian kernels
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11:40<bittin>do somone know where i can find 2.6.30?
11:40<canardpc>bittin, on unstable
11:40<weasel>or on bpo.
11:41<bittin>found what i was looking for on bpo
11:42<bittin>is headers and docs enough?
11:42<weasel>you probably want the *image*
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11:42<bittin>kernel-image ?
11:43<bittin>done :)
11:43<bittin>thx for the help
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11:45<canardpc>can someone help me
11:45<canardpc>I experience sound troubles
11:46<canardpc>every switches are enable, and nothing is muted
11:46<cahoot>the trouble being?
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11:48<canardpc>no sound at all
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11:48<cahoot>canardpc: try speaker-test -t wav -c2
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11:48<miguel>i installed the texlive package, not sure if it was a good idea, i thought i will get the latex functionality with it
11:49<canardpc>I donnow if it should make any sound, but I can't hear anythinf
11:49<cahoot>canardpc: at least no error?
11:50<cahoot>canardpc: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one?
11:50<canardpc>`--> cat /proc/asound/cards
11:50<canardpc> 0 [VT82xx ]: HDA-Intel - HDA VIA VT82xx
11:50<canardpc> HDA VIA VT82xx at 0xfbffc000 irq 17
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11:51<cahoot>canardpc: run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 (as root)
11:51<cahoot>canardpc: then speaker-test -t wav -c2 again
11:52<canardpc>still no sound
11:52<cahoot>canardpc: internal speakers?
11:52<canardpc>cahoot, no
11:52<cahoot>check cabling
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11:53<canardpc>it works under windows
11:53<miguel>any idea how i can use LaTeX easily under debian?
11:53<canardpc>I used to try with #alsaconf, but it only work for one boot, and i had to do it every tome i reboot
11:54<miguel>isntallig texlive does not seem to be the correct way ..:(
11:55<grummund_>Hi, how can i use nohup with a bash for loop?
11:55<cahoot>canardpc: you imply you occasionally get audible output?
11:55<canardpc>cahoot, I imply my speakers can deliver sound, but not on Debian
11:56<cahoot>canardpc: so what did you mean by: used to try with #alsaconf, but it only work for one boot ?
11:58<canardpc>every time I booted, I had to execute "#alsaconf" to enable sound
11:58<Pryon>miguel: installing texlive now, gimme a second. What's the actual problem?
11:58<miguel>i did: aptitude install texlive
11:58<miguel>but there are no of the binaries i expected
11:59<miguel>like: latex2pdf etc
11:59<cahoot>canardpc: so you occasionally get audible output?
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11:59<miguel>or even just: tex
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11:59<canardpc>cahoot, yes, when i launch '#alsaconf'
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12:00<Pryon>latex2pdf is in liblatex-driver-perl
12:00<cahoot>canardpc: ok - my interpretation of that is it must be a matter of mixersettings - see if you can togge any analog/digital switch in alsamixer
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12:01<Pryon>miguel: ls /usr/bin/tex ?
12:02<themill>miguel: you probably want pdflatex not latex2pdf though. (and installing texlive will give you that)
12:02<agata>hello, i'm about to update from etch to lenny, i've been doing some googling and apparently the way is changing etch by lenny in the repos... so i did, now the question is: is that safe or there is another method which i can use? don't seem to be able to find anything different but i wouldn't like to end up having to format
12:02<canardpc>every switches are enable
12:02<miguel>Pyron: there is no tex binary
12:02<miguel>agata: there is no pdflatex
12:02<themill>miguel: if you installed the "texlive" package, there should be
12:02<miguel>AFTER isntalling texlive
12:02<Pryon>miguel: Not sure what to do, then. I just did 'aptitude install texlive' and I have the tex binary in /usr/bin
12:03<miguel>naaah :(
12:03<themill>agata: follow the release notes. /msg dpkg etch->lenny
12:03<canardpc>cahoot, how to access to switches in alsamixer ?
12:03<Pryon>miguel: just for fun, what happens if you do 'aptitude install texlive' again?
12:03<miguel>ok good idea
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12:04<agata>thank you the mill
12:04<agata>i see it was not so straight as dist-upgrade
12:04<miguel>0 packages upgraded, 23 newly installed, 0 to remove and 74 not upgraded.
12:04<miguel>Need to get 100MB/111MB of archives. After unpacking 208MB will be used.
12:04<themill>agata: correct. There's a little more to be done to make sure things go smoothly.
12:04<miguel>so it did not install ....
12:05<agata>ok so the first two things mentioned are done now install aptitude then safe-upgrade then dist-upgrade... and that should be it, right?
12:05<miguel>maybe i have no done aptitude update for a long time
12:06<miguel>coz some of the packages it wants to downoad do not even exist on the server....
12:06<themill>agata: other than making sure you have enough disk space, backing up your data, removing pinning and 3rd party repos and reading some of the rest of the release notes about troublesome packages, yeah, that's pretty much it...
12:06<miguel>how often should one do : "aptitude update "? like before EVERY istallation?
12:07<agata>i don't think i have pinning and 3rd party... installed yesterday, so excluding the backports everything is pretty much what comes by default... could you take a look to my sources.list in case i'm missing something themill ??
12:07<themill>agata: why not just install lenny then if you installed just the other day?
12:07<Pryon>miguel: I tend to do that.
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12:07<themill>miguel: lenny?
12:08<agata>themill, i crashed my installation and the only cd i could find to install was my old etch cd
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12:08<agata>so i thought install etch and reinstall later...
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12:09<miguel>themll: yes
12:09<agata>and now i dunno if i should just update or download lenny and reinstall from the scratch...
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12:12<miguel>themill: im on: Linux version 2.6.26-2-amd64 (Debian 2.6.26-15lenny3)
12:13<miguel>77% of the texlive download
12:13<themill>miguel: you might want to subscribe to debian-security-announce as that will tell you when packages are updated and you know that you need to run "aptitude update" after that. I actually have cron-apt installed so it runs every night for me automatically anyway and emails me if there are any updates I need to pay attention to.
12:13<miguel>i guess the aptitde update helped
12:13<themill>miguel: that's an out of date kernel, btw. You probably need an "aptitude safe-upgrade" too
12:13<agata>so these are my sourceslist... i think i did not miss anything... but then again, too little repos maybe?
12:14<miguel>oook, ill try the seciruty update too, thx
12:15<miguel>unfortuantelly im quite new or at least unexperienced with linux,
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12:15<miguel>so, the texlive works now, thanks for this one!
12:16<Pryon>now you get to work on your writing. Sorry about that! :-)
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12:17<agata>i think i will just download the cd and install from the scratch, aptitude install aptitude is already giving me dependencies problems
12:17<miguel>is this possible: "aptitude install aptitude " ?
12:17<themill>agata: leave out of it for the moment, but otherwise that's OK. aptitude install aptitude should converge to an OK solution fairly easily
12:18<agata>hmm yes but what worries me is that it's talking about removing synaptic and so on
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12:18<themill>no real loss there...
12:19<agata>ok there we go :D
12:19<agata>synaptic and update manager are ging out ... sometimes it's scary to see what's going on hehe
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12:21<miguel>themill: what do you mean by subscribe to debian-security-announce . is this just like a mailgroup? or ist this some mechanism that will work togehter wich my aptitude to make it update automtically?
12:21<themill>miguel: email announcement list of security updates. See
12:22<agata>themill, installing aptitude is asking me to stop gdm... ???
12:22<miguel>ok, and one more question: how critical is running an out-of date kernel ? coz i would have do download 700mb of archives now, and dont want to do it now....
12:22<themill>agata: did you read the bit in the release notes where it told you not to do it through a session that was logged in with gdm?
12:22<miguel>when i do the sage-upgrade
12:22<agata>i just have gdm here...
12:23<agata>bangs her head against the wall
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12:23<Pryon>miguel: if your current kernel isn't vulnerable to any (known) security weaknesses, then there's no problem
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12:24<miguel>i hope it isnt :)
12:24<miguel>but im sure i can find it out, by googling
12:24<miguel>or looking on the mentioned list
12:24<agata>apparently nothing has exploded (yet)
12:24<themill>agata: log in through a virtual console and do the upgrade from there (Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get there, Alt+F7 to get back)
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12:25<agata>i see thanks :D let's try safe-upgrade from here
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12:27<tadej>I have changed my prompt colors in ~/.bashrc now my root is colored, new users are colored too but my regular user account is stil '\u@\h: \w$ '
12:28<tadej>any ideas?
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12:31<Pryon>tadej: have you logged out since making the change to ~/.bashrc?
12:31<francesco>hi, my ati driver stop to work after a bad suspend ... anyone know something relate to that ?
12:32<francesco>X log show me a backtrace
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12:36<Pryon>francesco: if you X server is segfaulting you should probably file a bug report with the driver maintainer
12:36<Pryon>or s/driver/server/
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12:38<tadej>Pryon, log out of X or just su in terminal?
12:38<tadej>Pryon, I did su, but didn't ctrl alt bckspc
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12:39<Pryon>tadej: Whatever causes the shell to run/source .bashrc
12:39<Pryon>You shouldn't need to log out of X
12:39<Pryon>Just start a new terminal (I think)
12:39<Pryon>or you could always '. ~/.bashrc', but that might have side effects you don't want.
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12:41<tadej>Pryon, let me check
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12:44<tadej>Pryon, nope doesn't work. I noticed that my new acc gets colored only if I su it as root. but still su as root won't color my basic acc I'm using
12:44<tadej>Pryon, if I su from my acc to a new acc it's still one-color
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12:54<Pryon>tadej: you have reached the limit of my expertise, I'm sorry
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13:03<RainCT>Has the keyboard stopped working for someone else on Squeeze/Sid? (I installed a few updates -don't remember which- a while ago and around an hour after that it stopped doing anything inside GNOME, even after rebooting, but in a tty or GDM it works fine.)
13:04<RainCT>(I've then updated to Sid and rebooted and now it still doesn't work, but every second key I touch results in a beep... Now I've tried with TWM -tab window manager, which I didn't even know I have installed :P- and here the keyboard works, so it seems to happen only in the GNOME environment)
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13:08<leper>i have a cuestion how can i change the name of my wireless device from eth1 to wlan0???
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13:26<peej_>leper: man interfaces -> look at the mapping section
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13:28<valdyn>that is something else
13:28<peej_>not that I understand it myself. That's a strange piece of text.
13:28<valdyn>mapping does not rename the interface
13:29<peej_>what does?
13:29<valdyn>cool, he'S gone already
13:30<valdyn>peej_: udev does: just need to edit /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent-net.rules
13:30<peej_>oh, yeah
13:30<peej_>now back to trying to figure out what mapping is about
13:30<peej_>any hints?
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13:30<valdyn>peej_: just creates an alias for the ifupdown tools
13:31<themill>peej_: see the package "guessnet" for a great use of mapping.
13:31<dondelelcaro>peej_: it enables you to automatically select a particular interface stanza based on conditions or things passed on the command line.
13:31<peej_>so ifup whatevername works when whatevername is mapped
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13:32<valdyn>dondelelcaro: conditional aliases?
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13:32<dondelelcaro>peej_: for example, say I have a wireless card and I travel between 5 or 6 wireless networks; with guessnet configured properly, you can just ifup wireless; with just mapping, you do ifup wireless=myhome; or similar.
13:32<peej_>is this a debian only thing or more general (ie in redhat/suse/slackware...)?
13:32<dondelelcaro>peej_: it's Debian only.
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13:32*weasel just runs wicd :)
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13:34<peej_>dondelelcaro, ah, right. I see I actually configured my wireless like that (mapping). I really ought to try and remember these things...;-)
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13:37<peej_>leper, you missed out on your answer: it's in /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent-net.rules
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13:39<peej_>now, guessnet has a readable man page - lots of examples too.
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13:40<themill>peej_: istr it's looking for a new maintainer too... step up to the plate!
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13:46<nightglider>Ok...I have 4x2TB drives that I'm trying to put in my server. I'm trying to format each of them with the first partition 128MB, second 5GB, the last is the rest of the space. I plan on putting the first partition of all 4 in RAID1+failover, the second and third of each in RAID5+failover. I create a 128MB partition in the Debian installer, but try as I might, if I have Use as: set to physical volume for RAID, I cannot turn on the bootable flag.
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13:46<weasel>nothing really cares about the bootable flag.
13:47<weasel>and since you have 2tb drives you probably don't have an msdos partition table, you have a gpt one
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13:47<ichdasich>weasel: afaik the d-i tends to install lilo, if the prim. partition has the bootable flag set.
13:47<nightglider>I tried doing it without a boot flag, but grub failed to install. nfi why that happend or if it's related.
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13:48<Dalby>Hi there; I am running debian etch with several vservers.. I am looking into upgrading to lenny due to outdated packets. Can I safely do aptitude dist-upgrade?
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13:49<noise_>hi,can i use proxy in linux?
13:49<nightglider>Also, under the Bootable flag: option, there's what I believe to be another option, but I don't know what it would be. the only thing there is the word off that changes to on if I press enter.
13:49<valdyn>Dalby: /topic
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13:50<nightglider>Note I'm using the Lenny 503 net install cd.
13:50<Dalby>already did that
13:50<Dalby>or am i reading it wrong
13:50<valdyn>Dalby: you wouldnt have to ask this question if you had read the topic
13:50<weasel>noise_: maybe.
13:51<weasel>what kind of proxy? for which applications? etc etc etc.
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13:51<weasel>in short: it's a bad question.
13:51<nightglider>weasel: If nothing cares aboutt he boot option, why does it exist? Did something use to use it?
13:51<valdyn>nightglider: dos
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13:51<weasel>in the olden days the msdos boot thing in the MBR actually cared about it I think.
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13:52<nightglider>I'll attempt this without a boot flag.
13:52<Dalby>valdyn bot doesnt help me as i of course did an update etc.. FAQ does not help me either .. at first sight... basic info; no?
13:52<flami>Hi, I wanted to get the debugging symbols for kopete is kdepim-dbg the only package i need? Or do i need more to get a good backtrace?
13:53<valdyn>dpkg: etch->lenny
13:53<dpkg>Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>.
13:53<Dalby>yea i did that
13:53<Dalby>i am just wondering how it reacts with vservers
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13:53<Dalby>as i got a minus 600 score
13:54<valdyn>Dalby: we dont know either
13:54<valdyn>Dalby: rather, we dont know what your vserver is
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13:54<valdyn>Dalby: you cannot use debian kernels on vservers, you cannot just keep your old kernel
13:54<valdyn>Dalby: you need to ask your vserver admin
13:55<Dalby>thanks but its the whole system i want to upgrade
13:55<Dalby>so not just the vserver
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13:56<Dalby>its running /2.6.18-6-vserver-amd64/ when i try it out it says it ll remove linux-kernel-headers
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13:56<Dalby>thats why i am not sure if i should proceed
13:56<Dalby>so i am doing that as root on the box; not in any of the vservers
13:56<francesco>hi, my ati driver stop to work after a bad suspend ... anyone know something relate to that ? X log show me a backtrace . Pryon ,,, sorry i read only now
13:56<valdyn>Dalby: that package does not exist
13:57<Dalby>The following packages will be REMOVED:
13:57<Dalby>linux-kernel-headers lvm-common
13:57<Dalby>The following packages will be upgraded:
13:57<Dalby>acpid apt apt-utils aptitude base-passwd bash
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13:57<valdyn>judd: versions linux-kernel-headers
13:57<judd>valdyn: linux-kernel-headers -- etch: 2.6.18-7
13:57<valdyn>Dalby: that package was just renamed, dont worry about it
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13:57<Dalby>ok thanks
13:58<Dalby>lets see :)
13:58<jakak>very high latency access wiki editing locks don't seem to be a good idea. alternatives?
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13:59<jakak>yes, i'm working on my own wiki implementation
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13:59<francesco>i tried with different kernel but nothing my Ati driver doesn't want do his job
13:59<nightglider>Also, when I try to apply changes to disk with the debian installer, I get the warning, "The kernel was unable to re-read the partition table on /dev/md0 (Invalid argument). This means Linux won't know anything about the modifications you made until reboot. You should reboot your computer before doing anything with /dev/md0." I got that the last time I used softraid, but I fixed it (manually editing menu.lst or something), but how can I avoid it i
14:00<leper>i have a cuestion how can i change the name of my wireless device from eth1 to wlan0???
14:01<valdyn>leper: oh, youve been told twice only
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14:01<jakak>valdyn: twice is more than enough
14:02<valdyn>leper: 19:37 < peej_> leper, you missed out on your answer: it's in /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent-net.rules
14:02<leper>thank you letme check
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14:06<tadej>which text editor is most suitable for viewing long text files but have the ability to auto-highlight the text based upon keyword or parameters you set up so I can skip uneeded parts in a file?
14:06<nightglider>Noone knows?
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14:06<Pryon>Define "long"
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14:07<jakak>nightglider: your message got truncated right after "but how can I avoid it i"
14:07<tadej>just a log file
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14:07<nightglider>jakak: "in the future?"
14:08<jakak>nightglider: yeah. nobody received that.
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14:08<nightglider>That's why I said it.
14:08<marga>Hi! I already asked yesterday, but got to a dead end. I'm worried about the SSL certificate of my home banking. Icew says he doesn't trust it. It's supposedly signed by "Verisign Class 3 Secure Server CA - G2", and I do have "/usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/Verisign_Class_3_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority_-_G2.crt" as trusted. I downloaded the authority issuer cert, mentioned in the ssl certificate:
14:08<marga>2.cer, but this is not a x509 crt and I don't know what to do with it. How can I check if it's really valid or not?
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14:11<bja>marga: Simples solution ask directly to your bank
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14:11<marga>bja: heh...
14:11<nightglider>Still noone knows?
14:11<marga>bja: you have too much faith in call centers.
14:11<Dalby>there is a patch that you should be able to check marga
14:11<Dalby>but not sure how it works in linux
14:11<marga>bja: I think it's impossible to be able to reach someone who knows what a ssl certificate is.
14:11<marga>Dalby: a patch? for what?
14:11<bja>marga: i don't trust call centers, ask you bank executive directly
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14:12<Dalby>i mean; a cert path.. that it is verified by higher level
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14:12<marga>bja: my bank executive? regardless of the fact that I'm just an unimportant client, the bank execs don't know about ssl either. I would need to reach a webadmin or something.
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14:13<kstar>Is there some way of saving the state of the current installed packages and restoring it at a later point of time?
14:13<marga>Dalby: ok, I have downloaded something that is supposedly a certificate, but I don't know how to check it, because I only know how to do it with openssl x501, and this is not a x501 cert.
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14:13<marga>kstar: dpkg --get-selections // dpkg --set-selections
14:14<kstar>marga: Would that undo any changes that I might make using apt in-between?
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14:14<kstar>(eg: I might move to testing and want to come back to stable)
14:14<kstar>marga: ^
14:14<Dalby>maybe try to convert it?
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14:16<marga>kstar: ah... well, that might be more tricky, this is mainly for replicating an installation in a different place, going back to stable is complicated due to the fact that you have to downgrade a lot of stuff.
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14:16<kstar>Yah, that's right.
14:16<marga>Dalby: uhm, I'd need to know how. But I'll try to see if I can find that out.
14:16<kstar>marga: So there's no way to do that?
14:17<valdyn>kstar: you need to take a snapshot of the whole system
14:17<marga>kstar: I'm sure there's a way. I'm not sure if there's an EASY way, and if there is, I don't know what it is.
14:17<valdyn>the easy way is having the whole system on btrfs or (probably) zfs
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14:18<kmap>kstar: If you're willing to settle for less, I'd recommend a chroot
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14:18<kmap>But that would mean a lot of duplication as well
14:19<kmap>Downgrade to stable is possible with pinning, set to a value of > 1000 for stable. But I've never tried it...
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14:20<kstar>Thanks. I guess the best thing is to avoid upgrading any packages from stable -> testing, then!
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14:21<kstar>Is there some way to make apt defer upgrading packages from stable -> testing, but allow installing new packages from testing? (that can later be removed without downgrade)
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14:22<jakak>kstar: i don't see how that would be possible, but i hope i'm wrong
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14:24<kstar>Oh :-|
14:24<kstar>Okay, thanks anyway
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14:27<jakak>very high latency access wiki editing locks don't seem to be a good idea. alternatives?
14:27<kurumin>ms good
14:27<abranches>hello everyone. I'm running debian squeeze in virtualbox, and I can only set my screen resolution to a maximum of 800x600. how can I have higher resolutions?
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14:28<Pryon>have you installed guest additions yet?
14:28<abranches>Pryon: not yet. does it solve my problem?
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14:29<Pryon>abranches: I beleive so. In any case I wouldn't try debugging it before then.
14:29<jakak>abranches: it's not the only way
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14:29<leiaut>we are you?
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14:30<jakak>lenios: some of you aren't we, i'd assume
14:30<abranches>pryon: i'm installing it right now. let's see if it's any good
14:31<abranches>jakak: do you know any other way? btw I tried editing xorg.conf and it seems there it doesn't exist by default anymore. there must be another way to edit xorg configurations, right?
14:32<jakak>abranches: is mode-setting support available for the vbox video driver?
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14:33<jakak>abranches: perhaps xresprobe could help
14:34<jakak>abranches: i just use mode lines
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14:35<Jerryclunsford>Could some one please tell me how to manually download programs while running lenny setup?
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14:36<Jerryclunsford>It gets to Select and Install software and Quits.
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14:36<nightglider>Possible reasons for grub failing to install?
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14:37<abranches>jakak: what do you mean with xresprobe? I installed it now, and don't know what it does.. :P there's isn't a man page for it
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14:37<jakak>abranches: try --help
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14:38<abranches>jakak: also tried that. it doesn't show me anything
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14:38<jakak>abranches: i would also try -h :)
14:39<jakak>abranches: or just google for a modeline generator and generate your desired modeline
14:40<Jerryclunsford>last night tty4 said warning: untrusted program ... do you want to ignore this warning and install anyway Yes ...No
14:40<kop>abranches: /usr/share/doc/xresprobe...
14:41<quinque>nightglider: make your changes to the disk and reboot, then would work ...
14:41<Jerryclunsford>today I could get to tty1/4 she was completely unresponsive.
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14:42<Jerryclunsford>That should be could not get to tty1/4
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14:44<abranches>jakak, kop: there isn't seem to exist any kind of documentation for xresprobe. the program itself it's a shell script, to it's the only way I can find to know what it does (besides google)
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14:45<jakak>abranches: try /usr/share/doc/xresprobe..., as kop suggested, or just google for a modeline generator and generate your desired modeline
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14:51<chiku>can someone help me about pbuilder?
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14:53<chiku>fine now, I added --distribution lenny
14:53<Jerryclunsford>kop Thank You will take a look.
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14:55<kop>Jerryclunsford: As to why it's not responsive (or what tty4 is) I can't say. It just looks like the page referenced is what you might need to know because it looks like something is installing packages.
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14:56<Ignaz>hi, all
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14:59<leper>hy i changed the name nothing happens
14:59<leper>how can i config the aircrack-ng??
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15:04<Jerryclunsford>I downloaded the newest lenny from Kmuto but it crashes before the install loads.
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15:06<locklace>!hug Jerryclunsford
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15:09<agata>hello i am having issues after upgrading to lenny... all is working fine, but for some reason, i cannot connect via router (wired or wireless) and it was working fine before... any ideas of what might be happening?
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15:10<bja>agata: check the output of ifconfig, the output of route -n and check also that the cable is firmly conected
15:10<bja>on both ends
15:11<agata>made click on both ends... i suppose the output i need to check it while connected to the router... so i will be right back, need to unplug/plug
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15:14<agata>i aint no expert... but all looks pretty normal to me there (back to straight connection with the modem)
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15:15<locklace>wtf. why is your mtu 576
15:16<agata>that is a good question... (what's mtu?)
15:16<agata>networking and I are really really good enemies
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15:16<locklace>maximum ethernet frame payload size
15:16<agata>i plug the wire, and pray for it to work.... it was working okay before, even the wireless i managed to make it work as well... now nothing if the router is in the middle
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15:17<agata>and i guess 576 is no good
15:17<locklace>is it really a router or is it a bridge
15:17<locklace>can you ping
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15:17<agata>right now im connected to the modem but give me a second and i will replace the wires
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15:18<agata>and get back and give you the result
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15:20<agata>ok, it says destination host unreachable ( i also checked and it says it's a router and i also have mtu 576 when i do ifconfig connected to the modem
15:20<locklace>i have no idea what this router/modem switcharound is all about
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15:20<locklace>why don't you start by describing your topology and how you want it to work
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15:21<agata>ok... see there is a modem (cablemodem) but i hate to have wires all around, so i have a router connected to it so that i have wireless
15:21<locklace>btw, forget wireless for now, your ifconfig shows your wireless card isn't recognised by the kernel. we'll sort that out later
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15:22<agata>normally, the modem is connected to the router and the router broadcasts (with or without wires) but after upgrading to lenny from etch, if i connect the wire to the router, it says its connected but it does not work
15:23<agata>so i wonder what has happened, because i'm getting my ip from dhcp (got it set up for it to be always the same)
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15:24<agata>that's more or less the idea locklace
15:25<locklace>hold up on the wireless. first plug the thing back into the cablemodem, and do an "ifdown" and then "ifup". check with "ifconfig eth0" if you then have the right ip address from dhcp
15:25<agata>you mean the router? now i am plugged to the cablemodem
15:26<agata>be right back
15:26<locklace>no, forget the router
15:26<locklace>unless you want to use it for both wired and wireless connections, and never connect directly to the cablemodem
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15:27<agata>oh ok
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15:28<urbinek>i can't run hostap and don't know why >>
15:28<agata>hmm locklace ... when i write ifdown it says use --help for help??
15:29<locklace>add -a to both commands
15:29<agata>however, with the cablemodem i get a normal external ip, it's the router who gives the one by dhcp
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15:29<agata>aha ok
15:30<urbinek>and i forgot > haruko:/home/urbinek# lspci | grep ACX >> 01:01.0 Network controller: Texas Instruments ACX 100 22Mbps Wireless Interface
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15:33<Jerryclunsford>It's me again I am trying an expert netinstall (though I am no where near an expert) of lenny it always locks up on select and install software can I skip this and add software after first boot?
15:34<locklace>try a different source/mirror
15:34<Jerryclunsford>tried that
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15:34<agata>sorry locklace i had a little issue
15:34<agata>it didnt want to come back with ifup -a
15:35<djj>i have some a bit slow shutdown, on tty1 i can see "kill all remaining processes.. failed" how to troubleshoot what's the reason?
15:35<agata>so i had to reboot... *sigh*
15:35<djj>this started when i switched to ratpoison. could this be cause: if i exit from ratpoison with urxvt open, i get following error message: waiting for x server to shut down urxvt: X connection to ':0.0' broken, unable to recover, exiting.
15:35<locklace>djj: no
15:36<locklace>djj: try stopping each running service in turn manually before doing the shutdown. when you get a fast shutdown, you'll know the culprit
15:36<locklace>to speed things up you can blow away a few at once
15:36<urbinek>hmm i'm reading about this but i cant find what driver shouls i use for acx100 chipset...
15:36<peej_>Jerryclunsford, does it work with non-expert install?
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15:37<locklace>djj: alternatively, open another shell. while it's sitting there waiting for processes to die, run "ps ax" in the other shell and see what's still running
15:37<djj>locklace: thanks, didn't think of that. a bit cumbersome but should work
15:37<agata>besides while booting i saw something like service iwl3495 (don't trust me with the numbers but it's the same than the wireless driver) not installed, so i guess the wireless will be about modprobing it
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15:38<Jerryclunsford>thats why i'm trying the expert
15:38<locklace>!tell agata about iwlwifi
15:38<adb>urbinek, /msg dpkg acx100
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15:38<agata>that's not a priority however... i just wonder what's wrong with the router
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15:38<peej_>Jerryclunsford, maybe the image is inappropriate for your architecture?
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15:39<agata>because as long as i dunno what is wrong with the router the wireless is not gonna work either
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15:40<Jerryclunsford>the image is i386 the coputer is a HP Proliant DL360 G4p
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15:41<urbinek>adb: i've compiled acx100 drivers and card is working, i cant make hostap to work, i change driver in /etc/hostap/hostap.conf to driver=madwifi and now i've got : Using interface wlan0 with hwaddr 00:80:c8:09:9c:f0 and ssid 'urbinek_wifi'
15:41<urbinek> ; l2_packet_receive - recvfrom: Network is down
15:42<agata>hymmm i'm starting to have the feeling that something might be wrong with the router, when i plug the wire to it, i cannot even open
15:42<agata>that's something
15:43<Jerryclunsford>it just says 3.0 Ghz xeon I don't think its 64 bit the ia64 didn't run at all on it
15:43<peej_>Jerryclunsford, have you done a memtest ?
15:44<Jerryclunsford>all ok
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15:45<peej_>ia64, isn't that for itanium anyway? amd64 is probably what you'd want if this is a 64bit xeon
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15:45<peej_>but of course the i386 image should just run
15:46<Jerryclunsford>intel will run the amd64?
15:46<Pryon>technically, it's x86_64
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15:47<francesco>hi. here my cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log:
15:47<francesco>after a suspend it stop work
15:47<Jerryclunsford>hp says the 64 bit is em64
15:48<chealer>peej_: ia64 is for itanium, yes
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15:49<francesco>anyone can help me ? no way if i change kernel ... only vesa driver now are working ( )
15:49<chealer>Jerryclunsford: if it's 64-bits.
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15:50<Jerryclunsford>I'll download and try the amd64 thanks I don't know vary much about linux and I have been out of circulation on the chip advances lately
15:50<agata>i need help with that router *sigh*
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15:50<damocles_dbg>anyone willing to explain to me/point out to me a bit about subversion file structure?
15:51<damocles_dbg>googling indicates that using the fsfs file system is better than using the bdb, which historically relies on a root directory of truck branch tags...just wondering if that is needed/desired when using fsfs
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15:52<Pryon>damocles_dbg: #subversion ?
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15:52<damocles_dbg>thanks pryon
15:53<francesco>what should have i broke ?
15:53<Jerryclunsford>thanks all
15:53<damocles_dbg>room empty, I'll keep googling :P
15:53<Pryon>francesco: (1) which kernel are you running? (2) Are you using compiz?
15:54<peej_>Jerryclunsford, it should in theory not solve your problem ;-)
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15:54<francesco>Prion: now i'm on 2.6.30-2-686
15:55<Pryon>eep. wrong network
15:55<francesco>Prion: but it works well and also the custom kernel 2.6.31 did
15:56<francesco>Prion: no compiz, i'm on kde 4.3.1 and no composite on ... X stop before kdm and give me only black screen
15:56<Pryon>francesco: I asked those questions because I did a little research and it seems that people have had the most trouble with suspend/restore when they were using a lot of OPenGL stuff like compiz
15:56<agata>i'm having the time of my life, after upgrading to lenny, my internet will not work when i am connected to the router, yet, it will if i am connected to the modem... when i connect to the router i get Ip adress normal by dhcp the one i always have had (have set it up as static) but for some reason, internet will not work (as if it would not have external or something...) i have tried ifconfig and ifdown and ifup and to ping while the
15:56<agata>wires were connected to the router, but no success... any ideas what might be happening and how to fix it? (i'm begining to consider a router reset)
15:56<Pryon>Unfortunately, I am not currently running an ATI card so I'm not much help :(
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15:57<Pryon>agata: that sounds reasonable considering you are successful at getting a good network config from your modem
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15:57<Jerryclunsford>peej_ the other installer won't help any?
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15:58<Jerryclunsford>What will help?
15:58<francesco>Pryon: :( , no idea about what could i do ... i mean ati driver are inside kernel i tought i change kernel all ok but it wasn't so . So i reinstalled xserver and all stuff but ...
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16:01<agata>well... that did not work pryon... and the router is working fine... or has been working fine until i updated to lenny, no issues... so i would not put the blame in the router yet... with the wires connected to the router and the router to the modem, i try to open the default gateway and still, it won't open
16:01<agata>dunno why
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16:03<agata>and i am running out of ideas
16:04<Pryon>agata: can you ping eth0? If so, can you ping the gateway address?
16:04<locklace>agata: paste output of ifconfig -a, netstat -rn, cat /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases, arp, and a ping to the default gateway address
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16:04<Jerryclunsford>peej_ you say it should in theory not solve my problem what do you mean?
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16:04<agata>ok so give me a second because i need to replug the wire to the router and so on so on, be right back
16:04<locklace>dude, why are you plugging and unplugging things
16:05<locklace>leave everything connected the same way so there's some hope of troubleshooting
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16:09<Jerryclunsford>I don't suppose anyone else knows What peej_ meant?
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16:09<jakak>Jerryclunsford: i don't even think peej is an english word
16:10<Jerryclunsford>no it's a nickname
16:10<jakak>Jerryclunsford: so then of course i don't know what it means
16:10<Jerryclunsford>Made a comment and disappeared
16:10<blueldr137>I just installed debian and I don't have any sound. :( Could someone help me?
16:10<agata>hmmm locklace because if i leave everything plugged to the modem its all fine, it works now... is just when i plug it to the router, so i guess it should be connected to the router so to know what is going on there.. dunno
16:11<locklace>agata: yes. leave the bloody thing connected to the router, do an ifdown -a followed by an ifup -a, then get the output of the above commands
16:11<Jerryclunsford>How do you manually download programs during lenny install?
16:11<adama>blueldr137: talk to dpkg about sound, lots of good tips
16:11<agata>ok but arp is just a command just like that????
16:11<adama>blueldr137: /msg dpkg sound
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16:12<jakak>agata: yes
16:12<agata>ok so i will be back
16:12<blueldr137>ok thanks
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16:14<blueldr137>I thought debian already came with alsa installed. Doesn't it?
16:16<Pryon>Jerryclunsford: he meant that since it wasn't working with the i386 image using the amd64 image should also not work assuming it's a problem on your side rather than with the images.
16:17<blueldr137>when I go to 'system->preferences->sound' It lists ALSA as a choice. Doesn't that mean I already have it installed?
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16:19<Pryon>blueldr137: I'd put more value on things like 'alsaconf' and /proc/asound/devices being populated properly
16:19<alba_>ifup -a does not work for me :(
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16:19<blueldr137>in alsamixer how do I switch between sound devices?
16:20<agata>and here it is locklace
16:21<Jerryclunsford> Pryon Thanks, already downloaded and burned an am running amd64 install now. Can someone tell me how to manually download programs during the install if this one locks up too.
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16:21<Jerryclunsford>Forget it its working.
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16:22<Pryon>blueldr137: try hitting 'h'
16:22<blueldr137>pryon: thanks
16:22<blueldr137>I'll try it
16:23<Jerryclunsford>only took about 30 Hours but it's on file 18 of 849
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16:25<locklace>agata: problems there. ifconfig didn't show eth0 at all and netstat showed no route. maybe you ran it too quickly after ifup or something. you can just do "ifup eth0" instead of -a if you want. the ifconfig has to show eth0 as up before you bother to try pinging the gateway, and "arp" actually needs to be run after you try the ping
16:26<agata>hmm the thing is that when i ifup -a or ifup eth0 (tried it the time before as well) it just went to the next line but nothing happened at all so i thought it might be not working... however i will retry
16:26<blueldr137>under the "/proc" screen in alsamixer it shows both devices but I can't select the second device. Does anyone know how to change sound cards in alsamixer? lol
16:27<Jerryclunsford> Pryon Thanks, I need to get caught up on hardware; once if software said AMD it meant AMD only.
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16:27<agata>and just to make sure locklace you want that done from here or from the router... sorry but my head is going around in circles already
16:27<agata>know what
16:27<agata>i will do it from both places and come back
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16:28<dkr>blueldr137: alsamixer -c 1
16:28<nightglider>Ok, whoever it was tha tmentioned gpt was correct. So how can I install grub when /boot/grub/stage1 is reading wrong. It says array->nr_devs > array->total_devs (3)?!?.
16:28<locklace>agata: if you're having problems with ifup you may want to try running ifconfig directly
16:28<blueldr137>dkr: thanks :)
16:29<agata>oki doki so let's (again) replug everything to the router (no other pc at home, unfortunately) and will be right back
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16:29<locklace>agata: probably also worth seeing your /etc/network/interfaces
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16:30<blueldr137>How can I tell if a channel is muted in alsamixer? I assume the volume would simply be "0" correct?
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16:31<nightglider>In the cli version, I believe there's an MM under the muted channel.
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16:31<nightglider>Been awhile, though. :/
16:32<blueldr137>nightglider: Yes your right and the "m" key mutes/unmutes channels. :) Thanks
16:32<Mish_>I *must* maintain MySQL3 for a lot of clients, I'm making progress getting mysql3 to compile under lenny, but I thought I'd ask, has anyone done this, or better yet created a deb package for MySQL3?
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16:34<blueldr137>when I type "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" under root I can't hear anything. I checked to make sure my channels weren't muted? What else could it be? Do I have to select a sound card as "primary"?
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16:35<dkr>blueldr137: have you run alsaconf?
16:35<locklace>blueldr137: any different with "speaker-test -t wav"? what does "cat /proc/asound/cards" show? what kind of output is it, speakers, headphones, ...? any hw volume control
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16:37<blueldr137>No I haven't run alsaconf. I'm doing that now though. :) thanks
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16:38<agata>ok locklace ... here are all the commands (without ifdown ifup,) and i will check and paste the other thing straight away
16:39<locklace>agata: and "ls /sys/class/net"
16:39<blueldr137>It's asking me to select a card, but it shows 15 different listings for 1 sound card?
16:39<agata>ok... i will append it to the interfaces
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16:41<agata>ok locklace here they go
16:41<Mish_>What package can provide pthreads.h ?
16:42<locklace>agata: ok, that's the second thing, but you didn't show the first thing
16:42<Mish_>Sorry, pthread.h
16:42<agata>the output of all the commands??? sorry i thought i did
16:43<agata>here locklace
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16:45<locklace>agata: ok, that's some progress. that shows your interface is up, you got the dhcp lease from your router, and the info in it is used to set eth0's address and the default gateway.
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16:45<blueldr137>:D I got one device to play sound :)
16:46<locklace>agata: two strange things about eth0: the mtu of 576 (should be 1500) and a number of rx errors. you should reset the mtu to 1500 with ifconfig and try the ping again, though that may not help.
16:46<agata>how do you do that???
16:46<locklace>agata: the rx errors could be due to your plugging and unplugging things if you didn't run ifdown/ifup after doing so
16:46<locklace>(or even if you did; not sure when the counters are cleared)
16:46<blueldr137>thanks dkr and locklace
16:47<agata>if i dont plug unplug i wont read you hehe even my cat is looking at me like what on earth...
16:47<agata>but we can give a try to reset the mtu if you tell me how
16:47<locklace>agata: assuming the mtu fix doesn't help, the problem is that your router is not responding to the arp (or you aren't receiving its response). as long as that's the case, nothing will work
16:47<agata>i have tried to reset it also, it did not help
16:47<locklace>agata: ifconfig eth0 mtu 1500
16:48<agata>ok so the mtu is now changed
16:48<agata>i will do the unplug replug operation, and try, then come back
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16:54<agata>ok so im back
16:54<agata>that didnt work
16:54<agata>but when i run arp after pinging the router i had a different output than the time before
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16:56<locklace>does that output include an actual mac address
16:56<agata>im pretty sure its something that went wrong during the upgrade... problem is what
16:56<agata>yeap locklace and a C
16:56<agata>i accidentally closed the window but included a mac and a letter C
16:57<agata>in flagsmask
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17:04<locklace>agata: if arp shows a mac address, try the ping a few more times, it ought to work unless something on your box or the router is filtering ping
17:05<locklace>and check the ifconfig output periodically to see if mtu looks good and whether tx or rx errors are incrementing
17:06<seanius>Mish_: heh, first php+sarge, now mysql 3. sounds like a fun job :)
17:06<agata>hmmm okay, will you be around a bit more? i should get in bed shortly, but explaining the whole thing once again... might be killing heheh
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17:08<locklace>agata: and also try connecting to the gateway's web interface (i assume it has one) in addition to the ping
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17:10<blueldr137>does anyone use truecrypt here? Truecrypt keeps telling me "Access Denied" when I try to copy files to a mounted device.
17:10<bja>!beer locklace
17:10*dpkg pulls out an excellent Jever for locklace
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17:12<nightglider>Does grub not work on gpt disks or something? :/
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17:16<blueldr137>gpt disks?
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17:17<agata>ok i dunno if you read before locklace but i am now connected with the router
17:17<nightglider>My drives apparently have a gpt disklabel rather than an msdos one. :/
17:17<agata>still wired, but routered :D:D
17:17<blueldr137>nightglider: i'm not sure
17:18<blueldr137>nightglider: are you refering to truecrypt?
17:18<blueldr137>oh ok :)
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17:18<agata>it looks like the router was just stucked...
17:19<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
17:19<agata>heheh bja pretty much happy but still needing to fight with the wireless... that might be for tomorrow tho, assuming it's almost midnight here
17:20<bja>agata: probably when you "un-stucked" the router you also "un-stucked" the wireless :-)
17:21<agata>hmmm hehehe i wish it would be like that but still no wireless networks detected
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17:21<agata>i guess i will need to install iwlblabla
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17:21<agata>and then see what happens... however, it's great to see something fixed
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17:26<locklace>agata: i already told you what to do for wireless
17:26<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on
17:29<alba_>yeah sorry i lost it in some plug unplug
17:30<alba_> xserver-xorg-video-i810{u}
17:30<alba_> it wants to remove that package... is that safe???
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17:34<johfel>alba_: if you don't have a i810 card it is save.
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17:35<alba_>ok apparently i don't heheh
17:36<alba_>ok let's try and restart X
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17:40<alba>oh yeah
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17:41<Guest306>thank you guys, you're a bunch of gogos :)))) locklace thanks specially to you, and your patience... bja you have now your 100% happy customer111 and johfel thank you too for the advice ;)
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17:42<johfel>agata: np
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17:47<noise_>where can i find google earth for linux
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18:03<Seneca>Hey, I've got a headscratcher here, and am hoping someone here can help me out with it.
18:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:04<Seneca>Uh. Ok. I just logged in to my Debian host with a telnet client. The host didn't recognise my terminal type correctly, and nothing's running right. My client's emulating VT100, but my efforts to tell my host that have failed. Any advice?
18:05<Seneca>I'm runnin' Debian 5.0.
18:05<Seneca>Tset seems to run correctly, but for instance trying to run ircii gives me the error "irc: No termcap entry for unknown." Similar dice from Lynx, though I can tell that I'm running VT100 and it runs great.
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18:08<_-gabriel_->alguem tem msn
18:08<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:10<vvas>damn, i hope #548716 is fixed soon
18:10<vvas>people are going wild with bogus comments on the bug page
18:10<vvas>tens of duplicates
18:11<Seneca>What's the bug, if I may ask?
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18:11<vvas>latest version of the X server just segfaults on startup
18:12<vvas>not nice :)
18:12<_-gabriel_->ablas tu portugues
18:12<Seneca>Huh. Never seen that, but I dunno if I have latest version. Although the terminal issue above is really pissing me off. I just wanna give my old 386 a new life off my very new PC...
18:12<_-gabriel_-> bay bay
18:13<vvas>Seneca: err, usually it suffices to set the TERM environment variable
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18:13<Seneca>I tried that. "set TERM=vt100", then "irc", gave me the exact same result.
18:13*Seneca tries it again. Is root.
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18:14<Seneca>Cut and paste from my terminal:
18:14<vvas>"set TERM=vt100" is not the way to do it, unless you're using the C shell
18:14*Seneca is using bash.
18:14<vvas>try "TERM=vt100; export TERM"
18:14<Seneca>All go. ^.^ :D
18:15<Seneca>I got to watch the MotD paint across the screen o.o
18:15<Seneca>Thanks a ton, vvas.
18:15<tadej>if I only have the IP how do I 'reverse' the lookup to get a hostname from the IP?
18:16<vvas>you're welcome :^)
18:16<vvas>tadej: where? on the command line? in C code? something else?
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18:17<tadej>vvas, command like ... I tried ping and fping, nslookup and tracert but none of them gives me '' for
18:18<bja>tadej: try dig
18:18<vvas>tadej: "host"
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18:21<inglor>Hi all, got a problem lately strange. when I plugin my external HD (firewire) my system automounts only 1 of the 2 partitions. (/dev/sdc2) USB automounts normally
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18:21<inglor>Should be a rule I guess in udev but i cant find it.. any ideas?
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18:23<Seneca>Since my Q's been answered, I'm out. Peace!
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19:05<xeon-enouf>llimeht: heh, that highlighted me .. funny shit man
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19:05<xeon-enouf>i actually recall that - there; cqnqdq == canada .. hahah
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19:06<xeon-enouf>a 'w' was a 'z', and a 'a' was a 'q', heh
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19:09<torrentow>What person can talk with ops this channel ?
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19:10<llimeht>torrentow: what's your question?
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19:12<torrentow>I must have a mask on freenode but mus talk with op with talk freenode staff
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19:16<llimeht>torrentow: if you want cloak on freenode, then go to #freenode in and ask in there for one.
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19:26<torrentow>llimeht, not right. I must to a gropu and ops talk with staff
19:27<abrotman>torrentow: go to #freenode on .. OFTC has *nothing* to do with freenode
19:27<bja>torrentow: you are not on freenode, you are on oftc,
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19:30<timbt>hi, anyone know of a keyboardcombo that opens dmesg on the local console even if no one is logged in?
19:30<timbt>I found out about it while cleaning out some dust on my keyboard and can't reproduce now
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19:31<torrentow>bja, I know, wailt a moment i find a log
19:32<bja>torrentow: as abrotman said, OFTC is a completely different network, its like talking with americans to solve a problem in canada
19:32<abrotman>well ...
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19:39<vvas>timbt: probably a magic sysrq combination
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19:40<vvas>timbt: see Documentation/sysrq.txt inside the linux kernel source tree
19:40<timbt>vvas: first I though so too but I checked syslog and it doesn't show up like it should
19:41<abrotman>some things log to the active console
19:41<vvas>ah, no idea then
19:41<timbt>abrotman, yeah I know but that doesn't scroll down the whole output
19:42<abrotman>timbt: you sure it wasn't a core dump ?
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19:43<timbt>abrotman, I could log in after that just fine, the system definitely didn't crash
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19:44<abrotman>stuff can still core and the system keep running
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19:44<timbt>how should I check that?
19:44<dpkg>i heard sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt See also <sysrqd>.
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19:44<abrotman>i think is what he wanted to show you earlier
19:45<abrotman>timbt: without knowing what it said .. kind of hard to say
19:45<a_debian_user>when i try to set the resolution of my desktop , the dropdown is empty
19:45<abrotman>Set the console log level, which controls the types of kernel messages that are output to the console
19:46<abrotman>timbt: ^^ so if you hit 0-9 plus the magic key combo .. it can dump to the screen
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19:46<abrotman>timbt: also one for current registers
19:46<timbt>abrotman, it was just the dmesg output
19:47<timbt>shouldn't be there sth to indicate a crash?
19:48<abrotman>so try alt-prtscr-9
19:48<torrentow> this conversation
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19:49<timbt>i just tried on the server, magic key + number doesn't dump the dmesg but just says "log level set to x"
19:49<abrotman>you might have to make it do something to generate dmesg stuff ?
19:50<timbt>nah I'm pretty positive it's not the magic keys
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19:53<a_debian_user>what about me
19:54<a_debian_user>help me
19:54<bja>dpkg: tell a_debian_user about ask
19:54<a_debian_user>i have a desktop of double of the size of my real screen!
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20:02<a_debian_user>ill repeat the question
20:02<bja>not yet
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20:02<a_debian_user>when i try to set the resolution of my desktop , the dropdown is empty
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20:04<bja>a_debian_user: what is the output of xrandr
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20:05<a_debian_user>wait a moment ..
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20:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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20:09<a_debian_user>output at
20:10<timbt>abrotman, I found out a bit more: the output of sysrqd gets logged to dmesg, the thing in pastebin above is indeed the output of magic+t with dumps the thread state information,
20:10<abrotman>ah ok
20:10<timbt>abrotman, only question why didn't it show up in syslog while when I enter it now it does get logged
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20:11<bja>you dumped the thread before it got logged in syslog
20:12<timbt>can you explain that in layman terms?
20:12<a_debian_user>what about me
20:13<timbt>bja, I mean what's the difference between my random dust cleaning before and now?
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20:15<timbt>a_debian_user, I suppose we need drivers/graphic card/OS version, native resolution etc
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20:16<bja>a_debian_user: check that you have the right video driver loaded, the zero frequency refresh rates happens when you don't have it
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20:16<bja>timbt: you are doing one thing now, actually you might have done one completely different thing when you were dust cleaning your machine, the level of consciousness you need to get into trouble is by far smaller than the one you need to get out of it
20:16<a_debian_user>os:debian 5.0
20:17<bja>i have to go, good luck you all
20:17<marcus_>join /remote-exploit
20:17<timbt>haha how true
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20:17<timbt>thanks bja
20:17<timbt>too late :P
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20:19<a_debian_user>graphics: i dont know is VM
20:19<a_debian_user>is = is a
20:19<abrotman>a_debian_user: do you know which video card it is? do you know which driver you're using ?
20:19<abrotman>lspci | grep VGA
20:20<a_debian_user>native resolution 1280X800
20:20<abrotman>that's not what it says
20:21<a_debian_user>the VM software is virtual vox
20:21<a_debian_user>vox =box
20:21<abrotman>that command still has output
20:22<a_debian_user>what command
20:22<a_debian_user>ah yess
20:22<a_debian_user>i havent seen it
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20:28<im_a_debian_user>oops i closed the window
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20:29<im_a_debian_user>what command
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20:31<johns>So as of a recent update in testing, I'm not able to watch some of my mythtv recordings -- I just get audio and a black screen
20:31<johns>However, from other client machines I can watch those same recordings fine
20:31<johns>and I can also play those recordings on the myth machine using mplayer and it works
20:32<johns>I'm trying to figure out if this is a myth issues or an x issue, since there were updates to both (intel hardware)
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20:32<johns>I don't see errors in any log file -- syslog, myth's log, xorg log
20:33<a_debian_user>help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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20:43<timbt>gotta go, abrotman thanks for your help
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20:45*rodrigo tratando de crackear wireless a algun vecino
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20:45<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:21<teng>anybody here?
21:21<abrotman>lots of people
21:21<stew>prove it!
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21:22<dvs>Dave isn't
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21:43<kb9tui>good evening all.
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22:04<blueldr137>hi kb9tui
22:04<kb9tui>hi blueldr137
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22:05<blueldr137>what is the best virtualization software for linux? Xen? OpenVZ?
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22:08<blueldr137>does virtualbox require javaJRE instead of openJRE?
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22:11<spstarr>Folks, got a question for you, if using make-kpkg and using .config from debian + using kernel to make a custom kernel, why is my usbfs missing in /proc/filesystems? if i compile usbcore into kernel it still doesn't register usbfs?
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22:11<spstarr>im confused here, I thought usbcore provided the hooks to register usbfs to /proc/filesystems
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22:13<abrotman>debian does patch the kernels
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22:13<spstarr>uh oh.... so you mean i might need a patch
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22:18<blueldr137>I'm going to try virtualbox first... then probably Xen...
22:18<spstarr>abrotman: I assume everyone should be using /sys/bus/usb/drivers for usbfs now?
22:19<abrotman>probably depends on your userspace tools ? or libusb ?
22:19<vr>Forgive this noob quesiton: If one were to install the linux-image-headers-2.6.*-amd64 package, does that provide the same initial config as stock kernel config like what is used by the installer? I only wanted to tweak 1 thing "on" from a fresh reinstall then rebuild.
22:19<kop>blueldr137: KVM is what I'd prefer, if I had hardware that supported it.
22:19<spstarr>yeah but
22:19<abrotman>vr: /boot/config-*
22:20<abrotman>vr: why ?
22:20<spstarr>if you do not enable CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS doesn't it defer to both /sys/bus/usb/drivers AND /proc/bus/usb??
22:20<blueldr137>kop: I've never heard of KVM...
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22:20<blueldr137>kop: I'll have to look into it. thanks :)
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22:22<vr>abrotman: My goal is to achieve P55 Chipset: "Support for the Intel 82578DC Gigabit Network Connection" with a new motherboard.
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22:22<spstarr>aha ok its fixed now :)
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22:23<abrotman>vr: have a PCIID ?
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22:24<vr>abrotman: (had to install pciutils real quick) yes; 00:19.0 Ethernet controler: Intel Corporation 82578DC Gigabit Network Connection (rev 05)
22:24<abrotman>lspci -nn might help
22:24<abrotman>that doesn't have the pciid
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22:26<abrotman>vr: the pciid would be like a [8086:1234] and the end of the line using lspci -nn
22:27<vr>abrotman: oh, then it's [8086:10f0]
22:27<abrotman>judd: pciid 8086:10f0
22:27<judd>abrotman: [8086:10f0] is '82578DC Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
22:28<abrotman>vr: did you find a patch for this somewhere ?
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22:28<vr>Just this so far: I'm just starting down this road.
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22:29<abrotman>vr: you can use 'make oldconfig' .. it will copy the current config as a base
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22:50<vr>The patch I posted a link to earlier; Is there an obvious way to know which kernel they patched against? I'm wanting to make sure 2.6.30 included with Debian would work. I've never patched before so docs or pointers would be awesome.
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