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00:37<drakeman>hey anyone knows a good way to edit xfce menus? i like it, it faster than gnome but dont really understand the menu thing.
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00:43<Nemoder>right click the panel, add a launcher and right click that and type in the command you want it to run
00:44<drakeman>Nemoder, yes that is to add new launchers, but if i want to edit the option in the xfce applications menu.
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00:47<ret>are there any mainstream companies that use Linux in their offices as a primary operating system?
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00:53<Nemoder>drakeman: it appears that in debian the xfce menu editor was replaced with the debian menu generation system, take a look at file:///usr/share/doc/menu/html/index.html
00:54<sney>I'm not aware of any, ret. but when I worked for one of the biggest bailout-demanding financial corporations in the US, we had a lot of RHEL servers and something like 1/3 of the workstations were Solaris
00:54<sney>oh, and all the NAS machines were some kind of embedded unixoid
00:55<drakeman>Nemoder, going to check that thanks.
00:56<Nemoder>personally I just use launchers for all custom apps, too much of a hassle for me to deal with the menu tools
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01:01<drakeman>Nemoder, u use xfce?
01:03<drakeman>Nemoder, i tell you because xfce is a lot faster than gnome, but my different things like changing the color of the panel, is not that easy like in gnome
01:05<Nemoder>it is a bit of a trade off
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01:09<drakeman>Nemoder, well, i have to decide then if i prefer changing my things or the speed.
01:10<Nemoder>my applications are more important to me than what my interface looks like, so long as i can get to everything quickly
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01:49<martian>does anyone know how to change the text size on lubuntu? sorry im a noob
01:50<dr|z3d>martian: Settings -> Appearance.
01:50<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
01:51<dr|z3d>Nemoder: I second Xfce. Like Gnome, without the bloat.
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01:54<nullkode># timisoara
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03:48<Phocean>can someone tell me what the kdmflush process is for ?
03:48<Phocean>I googled but could not find any consistent info about it
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04:34<boss>hi to all,i have 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Cantiga Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) card but projector is not detecting with this .
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04:35<git-hi9h>they have .debs all ready even @ the sun sight too
04:35<pkhtut>@git-hi9h which website?
04:36<sdhoeppner>This is ambiguous. How do I know if the dist-upgrade process will or will not upgrade my kernel. I need to know beforehand: When you dist-upgrade from etch to lenny, it is strongly recommended that you install a new linux-image-2.6-* metapackage. This package may be installed automatically by the dist-upgrade process. You can verify this by running:
04:36<boss>hi to all, i am using kernel and my card is 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Cantiga Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) so can anyone tell me how to configure this with i915 driver
04:36<pkhtut>what is the sun sight?
04:36<weasel>sdhoeppner: then look at the packages being upgraded.
04:36<weasel>sdhoeppner: apt will give you a list.
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04:36<boss>i mean kernel driver
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04:37<sdhoeppner>weasel: what's the command for that? I'm assuming you mean I can do a "dry run" and get the output of what will be upgraded.
04:37<pkhtut>@git-hi9h, yeah , so I need to install sun slight?
04:37<weasel>sdhoeppner: correct.
04:37<boss>with vesa driver i can get display but external projector not get detected
04:37<weasel>grep the manpage for simulare
04:37<git-hi9h>if you use lenny, stick deb lenny non-free in your apt
04:37<cahoot>boss: you have a problem with the device atm?
04:38<cahoot>boss: disregard please
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04:38<weasel>sdhoeppner: also, apt-get always prompts before doing upgrades anyway, even without dry run
04:38<pkhtut>yes, I installed it exactly from the apt
04:38<boss>cahoot, atm? i have problem to do dual desktop
04:38<boss>or use projector for laptop
04:38<cahoot>boss: yes - sorry oversaw your followup
04:39<pkhtut>I install virtualbox-3.0
04:39<sdhoeppner>weasel: sry man, it's been a while since I did a dist upgrade. So, it asks for confirmation on each package being installed, and I can just say "no" to the kernel package if it tries to install it?
04:39<weasel>sdhoeppner: no. it gives you a list.
04:39<weasel>come on, this isn't rocket science.
04:40<cahoot>boss: starting X without any xorg.conf at all doesn't solve the problem? i e let xorg figure out what to do automagically
04:40<sdhoeppner>weasel: oh, you mean before the process starts, it gives a list with like "+/-" on the left? I think it's starting to come back to me.
04:41<sdhoeppner>weasel: sort of like the old dselect menu or something?
04:41<weasel>Calculating upgrade... Done
04:41<weasel>The following packages will be upgraded:
04:41<weasel> postgresql-client-8.3
04:41<weasel>1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
04:41<weasel>Need to get 1658kB of archives.
04:41<weasel>After this operation, 8192B of additional disk space will be used.
04:41<weasel>Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
04:41<weasel>LIKE THAT
04:42<boss>cahoot, i have xorg.conf which i feels better to edit
04:42<boss>and solve projector problems
04:42<boss>or display problems
04:43<sdhoeppner>weasel: we're talking about a distribution upgrade here. That list will be fark'n huge. And you have to say no to multiple packages at a time. You can't just pick one out of the list and say no. Right? What am I missing?
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04:43<weasel>sdhoeppner: that you can just apt-get install the others, or put stuff on hold, or any number of things.
04:43<weasel>seriously. have a nice day and good luck.
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04:43<azeem>sdhoeppner: that wasn't your original question
04:44<cahoot>boss: did you try without any xorg.conf? it might be xorg does the configuring all by itself now - might at least be worth a try
04:44<sdhoeppner>azeem: correct. My original question was how do I keep the dist-upgrade process from installing a new kernel automatically during the upgrade.
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04:45<weasel>you remove the metapackage and put the current linux image on hold.
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04:45<weasel>no, I'm not going to elaborate. you already abused that once before.
04:45<azeem>sdhoeppner: you didn't ask about how to keep it
04:45<azeem>you asked about how to figure out whether it gets updated
04:45<Guest25>cahoot,yes i did but not working
04:46<cahoot>you specifi Driver intel or what?
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04:47<Guest25>cahoot, how can i use kernel module i915
04:47<sdhoeppner>azeem: the docs at say the kernel may or may not be upgraded during install. Why is that ambiguous? I.e. how can I determine _before_ starting the upgrade whether the process is going to try to install a new kernel or not?
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04:48<Guest25>i have added i915 then i got error as no module found
04:48*weasel stops before he gets insulting
04:48<Guest25>but before that i did modprobe i915
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04:50<sdhoeppner>weasel: I'm planning the dist-upgrade of a production mail server. Forgive me for being slow and cautious, and making sure I have all the Ts crossed and I's dotted before jumping in.
04:50<cahoot>Guest25: examining /var/log/Xorg.0.log might help
04:50<weasel>shweppsie: this particular question has already been answered.
04:51<weasel>sdhoeppner: I suggest you start reading what I write.
04:51<weasel>for the very slow, like you:
04:51<weasel>you type apt-get dist-upgrade
04:51<weasel>then you READ WHAT IT SAYS
04:51<Guest25>cahoot, but i use ve as a driver then display comes but external projector is not detecting
04:51<weasel>then you try to *understand* what it says
04:51<Guest25>in xorglog for i915 shows no module found
04:51<weasel>then you might know.
04:54<sdhoeppner>weasel: First off, the release notes say to use aptitude for the upgrade, not apt. I've never used aptitude before. Is it safe to assume that aptitude will give me a similar display list of packages it wants to install? Second, if a kernel metapackage is in the list, after I stop the upgrade, and before I run it the second time, what command to I use to leave out that kernel metapackage?
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04:54<weasel>Sat 10:43:33 <weasel> sdhoeppner: that you can just apt-get install the others, or put stuff on hold, or any number of things.
04:54<weasel>Sat 10:45:13 <weasel> you remove the metapackage and put the current linux image on hold.
04:55<weasel>| this particular question has already been answered.
04:55<weasel>Sat 10:51:10 <weasel> sdhoeppner: I suggest you start reading what I write.
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04:56<Guest25>is any reference to make external projector with debian how to
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04:56<sdhoeppner>weasel: it's not a matter of reading what you write. I'm reading every bit of it. But I lack experience with all of what you're saying. I've never put packages on hold, so I need to read how to do that.
04:56<weasel>Guest25: isn't that just another display? try with xrandr or grandr?
04:56<cahoot>he's using vesa
04:56<weasel>then I suggest you do that instead of changing your questions or simply asking again.
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04:57<Guest25>weasel, cahoot xrandr cahoot not shows any other display shall i change driver ?
04:57<weasel>I wouldn't know then.
04:58<cahoot>Guest25: if you use 'intel' does the log report errors?
04:58<sdhoeppner>weasel: my current kernel I just compiled and installed the other day in preparation for the upgrade. It's 2.6.24. I want to keep the system booting from that kernel until after dist-upgrade. Then I'm going to download the 2.6.26 kernel source and build a new kernel.
04:58<EmleyMoor>What makes heavy use of famd? When that process is busy, lots of things don't work properly
04:59<weasel>sdhoeppner: so what do you care which extra kernel packages get installed anyway?
04:59<Guest25>cahoot, yes ..let me change to intel so that i paste you error
04:59<sdhoeppner>weasel: ahhh! wait. would it be better to just change my sources.list to lenny, grab the 2.6.26 kernel source,and just go ahead and compile and install a 2.6.2 on the current Etch?
04:59<cahoot>Guest25: I found some posting where adding 'nomodeset' was needed
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05:00<weasel>sdhoeppner: why are you recompiling your kernel?
05:00<sdhoeppner>weasel: I'm just trying to avoid a possible boot issue after the upgrade. Period. I don't want the dist-upgrade to install a new/wrong kernel and cause the system not to reboot after the upgrade.
05:00<weasel>sdhoeppner: and why not simply dist-upgrade and install a new kernel but tell grub to keep booting the old one?
05:00<sdhoeppner>weasel: I always compile my own kernels.
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05:02<sdhoeppner>weasel: I'm using LILO. I forgot. I thought the dist-upgrade auto-reboot upon completion. Does it not? Do I have a chance to edit /etc/lilo.conf and run lilo before the reboot?
05:02<aml>cahoot: i got error as no device found
05:02<weasel>of course it doesn't fscking reboot on you.
05:02<sdhoeppner>weasel: thanks for your patience BTW. It's been a couple of years since I did a dist-upgrade
05:03<weasel>rebooting will be your job if and when you want it
05:03<EmleyMoor>sdhoeppner: This isn't Windows :-)
05:04<aml>cahoot, after changing vesa to intel i got error as no device found
05:04<sdhoeppner>EmleyMoor: yeah, nokidding. ;) That's why I use it. Just been a long time since last dist-upgrade and I don't remember the process that well.
05:04<cahoot>aml: I noticed - no clue as to why
05:04<weasel>sdhoeppner: I suggest testing it on a non-production system first then.
05:04<weasel>you could use the practice
05:04<sdhoeppner>weasel: concurr
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05:06<sdhoeppner>weasel: hay, you didn't answer one of my previous questions. If I change apt sources now, download 2.6.2, and compile and install it, wouldn't that cause the dist-upgrade to ignore installing a new kernel anyway?
05:06<aml>cahoot, i have one doubt after changing vesa to i915 it is giving error as no module found but same module is available in kernel
05:06<aml>is any error in xorg.xonf /
05:06<ao2>hi, since two days I have no icons in gtk apps anymore, Debian sid. Anyone has the same?
05:06<weasel>sdhoeppner: maybe. it depends on any number of things.
05:06<sdhoeppner>weasel: I'm planning on doing that anyway. I'm just wondering if the make process for 2.6.26 will work on my current Etch.
05:06<weasel>sdhoeppner: and I'm not going to pull those out of your nose
05:07*sdhoeppner chuckles
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05:08<sdhoeppner>weasel: thanks for the pointers man. You really helped square me away a bunch.
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05:11<handjob>Good morning gentleman. How can I set time intervals for inserting password for sudo actions?
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05:13<weasel>handjob: you mean the delay when you screw up the password?
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05:14<handjob>weasel, What i mean is to delay the need to type sudo password.
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05:14<weasel>handjob: ah. like in between sudo calls when you got it right once?
05:14<handjob>weasel, Excacly.
05:15<weasel>handjob: man sudo suggests it's settable in sudoers
05:15<weasel>handjob: and man sudoers tells you how
05:15<weasel>handjob: searching for "minute" in the manpage did the trick quite easily
05:15<handjob>weasel, Thank you Sir.
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05:19<sdhoeppner>does the etch-lenny dist-upgrade process automatically replace LILIO with Grub? I can't find this info in the release notes.
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05:20<weasel>(of course not.)
05:20<weasel>and again,
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05:21<weasel>check the list of packages that apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade/install.
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05:23<dpkg>avanti: VATTENE VIA
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05:24<locklace>always the italians
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05:56<Guest32>i have problem with debian
05:57<insmod>question - my firefox started showing black squares on white pages (randomly) that disappear when I refresh
05:57<Guest32>i have new notebok but i dont know how to configure wi-fi
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05:58<insmod><Guest32>you can use linux driver if there is one or use windows one with ndiswrapper
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06:00<Guest32>hmmm for windows i see al wi-fi nertworks for standard driver, in debian i dont see that option
06:01<Guest32>sorry for english
06:01<insmod><Guest32>does ifconfig list it
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06:03<francesco>i have big problem with my ati 9800 pro
06:04<francesco>no way X start with neither open source driver neither ati proprietary
06:04<francesco>i think somethink is broken in my box but don't know what should it be
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06:05<francesco>only vesa driver now ... :(
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06:08<Guest32>i install wi-fi radar but he dont run
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06:08<insmod><francesco>just use a back up of the xorg or edit it and your done
06:09<insmod><Guest32>does iwlist scan
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06:10<Guest32>lo Interface doesn't support scanning.
06:10<Guest32>eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning.
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06:10<azeem>Guest32: that is all?
06:10<insmod><Guest32>does ifconfig list the wifi card
06:11<azeem>insmod: angle brackets are used to indicate quotations on irc
06:11<insmod>bit me
06:11<Guest32>lo Link encap:Local Loopback
06:11<Guest32> inet addr: Mask:
06:11<Guest32> inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
06:11<Guest32> UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
06:11<Guest32> RX packets:258 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
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06:12<jan_>he se my wi-fi
06:12<claytonwalker>well, i managed to destroy my xorg.conf file. i dont have a backup. what now.
06:13<claytonwalker>lets see... im logged in as root and tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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06:13<insmod>x makes them and stores them in /etc/X11/
06:14<insmod><claytonwalker> makes them and stores them in /etc/X11/
06:14<claytonwalker>insmod: so, what do i do? im currently without my gui logged in as root, i guess.
06:15<insmod><claytonwalker> i use mc -- like the old norton commander
06:15<azeem>claytonwalker: x doesn't start up without it?
06:15<insmod><claytonwalker> just use you fav text editor an done
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06:17<Scoop>Hello. Did anyone else experience the glitch, that installing the Nvidia Kernel Drivers (from Nvidia website) changes the Xorg system language after installing ? In my case it set the Xorg language from german to english.
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06:17<jan_>hmmm i have ndiswarper what driver i need to instal wi-fi i have for win xp, vista and win 7
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06:17<azeem>Scoop: sorry, the nvidia driver from the nvidia website cannot be supported here, please ask nvidia
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06:18<insmod><jan_>try each one will be best
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06:19<insmod><jan_>look on the web site they post the best ones
06:19<jan_> Azureware NE785 Wireless LAN Driver and Utility
06:19<jan_>Azureware NE785 Wireless LAN Driver and Utility for WinXP 32 bit or second file Azurewave_AW-NE771 WLAN Driver and Application
06:19<jan_>Azurewave_AW-NE771 Wireless Lan Driver and Application for WIN XP(
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06:19<claytonwalker>azeem: i restart my computer and it says "Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the server output to diagnose the problem?"
06:20<insmod><jan_> inf file
06:20<azeem>claytonwalker: ok
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06:20<claytonwalker>azeem: can i modify the xorg.conf directly from the comand line that i get?
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06:21<azeem>claytonwalker: sure, with a text editor
06:21<azeem>like nano
06:21<claytonwalker>azeem: do i need a gui to do that?
06:21<azeem>claytonwalker: what do you mean, gui?
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06:21<azeem>you just asked whether you can do it from the command line and two people said "yes"
06:21<azeem>the command line is not a gui
06:21<claytonwalker>azeem: ok.
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06:22<Scoop>just type : nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf *or anything else*
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06:22<insmod><claytonwalker> just use your fav text editor -- there is vi nano mc etc
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06:23<insmod><claytonwalker> if you install mc i can help
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06:23<claytonwalker>ooh, nano did the trick. now lets see if i can reverse my retarted damage.
06:24<insmod>i would just cd /etc/X11 and see if there is a backup
06:24<insmod><claytonwalker> i would look first
06:25<claytonwalker>insmod: OK
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06:25<insmod><claytonwalker> cd /etc/X11 & ls |grep xorg
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06:26<insmod><claytonwalker> sorry cd /etc/X11 && ls | grep xorg
06:26<claytonwalker>well, thanks all that did the trick.
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06:27<insmod><claytonwalker> did you use a backup
06:27<claytonwalker>insmod: yeah, thanks :)
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06:27<insmod><claytonwalker> cheers
06:28<insmod><claytonwalker> i've been a user since 96 lol
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06:28<claytonwalker>insmod: awesome. ive been a user since yesterday :)
06:28<gsimmons>jan_: WRT NDISwrapper, only Windows XP drivers are usable due to NDIS 6 being unsupported. What brand/model is your notebook, out of interest?
06:28<insmod><claytonwalker> :)
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06:29<jan_>i find in synaptic drivers
06:29<jan_>atheros is my wi-fi card
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06:29<claytonwalker>now lets try this again. ive been trying to add a screen resolution mode 1280x1024 (which i know for a fact my screen could handle) and must have typed something not likable by x. which screwed it up. so, how do i add a screen resolution?
06:30<insmod><jan_>mine uses atheros and i still use the ndis
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06:30<insmod><claytonwalke> easy
06:31<jan_>hmmm i downlaod with synaptic drivers hgo to use that drivers
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06:32<claytonwalker>insmod: well, my "Change Screen Resolution" doesnt show the proper rez that i want, so im at a loss.
06:32<insmod><claytonwalke> what video card
06:33<claytonwalker>insmod: an old integrated Intel 845G
06:33<insmod><claytonwalke> laptop ?
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06:33<insmod><claytonwalke> widescreen
06:34<adb>insmod, use cl<TAB>
06:34<claytonwalker>insmod: nope,
06:35<insmod><claytonwalke> great that has an awsome driver that intel wrote for it -- install reboot done
06:36<claytonwalker>insmod: where is this driver and how do i get it? pakage manager?
06:37<insmod>should be yes -- my wife uses that on hers
06:37<insmod><claytonwalke> or insteed of rebbot just restart X
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06:39<claytonwalker>insmod: again, im very VERY new to all of this. how would i go about restaring X?
06:39<claytonwalker>insmod: crtl-alt-backspace?
06:39<claytonwalker>then what?
06:40<insmod>should work if installed
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06:47<claytonwalker>insmod: alright. i downloaded the driver for the chip from and now i have a folder called dripkg. how do i install these files?
06:47<insmod><claytonwalker>i would use the one with the distro .... but any way.....
06:48<claytonwalker>insmod: what do you mean?
06:48<insmod><claytonwalker>that doesn't seem like the name that sounds like the excel driver
06:49<insmod><claytonwalker>the distro ones are modified to work
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06:49<claytonwalker>insmod: so where would i get/look for the drivers for my distro?
06:50<insmod>in synaptic
06:50<adb> xserver-xorg-video-intel
06:50<insmod><claytonwalker>that would do it apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
06:51<claytonwalker>insmod: it says is already the newest version.
06:52<insmod><claytonwalker> I see
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06:52<claytonwalker>insmod: then i try xranr -s 1280x1024 and it says "not found in available modes"
06:52<oxi_>is there an easy way to find out which packages aren't absolutely necessary to keep a web daemon running?
06:53<insmod><claytonwalker> just edit the xorg
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06:53<oxi_>like remove tar, vi, ...
06:54<adb>12:32:58 <adb> insmod, use cl<TAB>
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06:54<claytonwalker>insmod: i assume you're talking about the one in /etc/X11/xorg.conf right? well, it is of no help to me since it says nothing of interest. noe even one screen resolution.
06:54<insmod><claytonwalker> install xorg i can walk you through
06:55<insmod><claytonwalker> sorry install mc i can walk you through
06:55<insmod>i can fix that
06:56<francesco>no way X start with neither open source driver neither ati proprietary
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06:57<claytonwalker>alright, insmod, mc is installed. (i assume. i mean i typed apt-get install mc and it told me all this crap i coulndt understand)
06:57<insmod><claytonwalker>so type mc
06:58<claytonwalker>insmod: ok
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06:59<insmod>now just got /etc/X11
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07:00<claytonwalker>insmod: ok
07:00<insmod>go over the xorg file hit F4
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07:00<claytonwalker>insmod: ok
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07:01<insmod>goto the meta mode part that has your res
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07:02<claytonwalker>insmod: i dont see one.
07:02<insmod><claytonwalker> Section Screen
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07:02<insmod><claytonwalker> Option "metamodes"
07:03<adb>insmod, use cl +<TAB> for nick completion ..
07:03<claytonwalker>insmod: Section "Screen" Indetifier "Default Screen" Monitor "Configured Monitor" EndSection
07:04<insmod><claytonwalker> can u paist it so i can see
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07:06<claytonwalker>insmod: here:
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07:08<claytonwalker>insmod: thats all my conf says.
07:10<insmod><claytonwalker> what re dou wnat
07:10<insmod>res do you want
07:10<claytonwalker>insmod: 1280x1024
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07:12<insmod>ok let me get my wifes computer
07:13<claytonwalker>insmod: alright.
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07:25<insmod><claytonwalker> ya your using dexconf I think it's like hal and preconfigs -- you have to have more backups what is in your /etc/X11 -- this file would need a totall rewrite
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07:26<claytonwalker>insmod: ok. i have 3 backups, from 3 previous failures, and one on my desktop, so i think im backed up :)
07:26<insmod><claytonwalker> why would you use that
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07:27<insmod><claytonwalker> can I see them
07:27<claytonwalker>insmod: wait, what? no, they look exactly like the one i sent you, no change whatsoever.
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07:28<felix>hi. im trying to install nvidia 71xx drivers for a TNT2, but files are not available in lenny repos (those are nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx-dev nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx)
07:28<claytonwalker>insmod: my config file has always looked like that, no matter what ive tried
07:29<claytonwalker>insmod: what?
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07:30<claytonwalker>insmod: what i mean is, ive tried to edit the conf file before, created backups, but then never saved them. so all of the backups look alike, and since im new, i haven't had the chance to delete them.
07:31<insmod>this is what an xorg should look like
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07:32<claytonwalker>so, i should change mine to look exctly like that?
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07:34<insmod><claytonwalker> no different card -- but right idea
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07:35<felix>hi. im trying to install nvidia 71xx drivers for a TNT2, but files are not available in lenny repos (those are nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx-dev nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx)
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07:35<claytonwalker>insmod: so should i add the lines device, defau.t depth, then the display modes?
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07:36<insmod><claytonwalker> hang
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07:37<insmod><claytonwalker> ok I no the problem -- just lloking for the answer
07:37<insmod><claytonwalker> ok I no the problem -- just looking for the answer
07:38<linuxguy>xeon-enouf: remember me had probs with an ati card the other day?
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07:41<felix>anyone can help me?
07:41<jan>how to upgarde debian lenny to squeze
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07:42<felix>anyone could tell me how to get nvitia 71xx drivers on lenny?
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07:46<felix>is only available in Sid, but if i add the source and follow the debian way, aptitude tryes to upgrade the entire system.
07:46<barth>Hello, I use Lenny and I cannot play or dump a rm stream with mplayer or vlc (see It works with totem tough ... Any idea about this problem?
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07:47<insmod><claytonwalker> what does sudo aptitude install 915resolution say
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07:49<claytonwalker>insmod: sorry,
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07:50<insmod><claytonwalker> ok that's the problem I just don't know the answer so maybe someone else does -- or just email the package maintainer
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07:51<claytonwalker>insmod: so... wait what? is there anything i can do?
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07:52<insmod><claytonwalker>915resolution is used to set the 1280 res on your chip -- but it has been replaced but i don't know with what
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07:53<claytonwalker>insmod: oh, ok thank you. ill do some reseach on this app
07:53<gsimmons>insmod: 915resolution is not necessary anymore.
07:53<gsimmons>dpkg: 915resolution
07:53<dpkg>915resolution is a tool (read, hack) available for Etch to transiently modify the video BIOS of Intel 8xx and 9xx integrated graphic chipsets, to achieve certain display resolutions in After installing, read /usr/share/doc/915resolution/README.Debian for details. Not required on Lenny due to improvements in the Intel display driver. Removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #484251.
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07:53<insmod><claytonwalker>I need to now now since my wife uses it
07:54<insmod><gsimmon> then how do you set 1280 resolution
07:54<insmod><gsimmon> 915 modifide the card
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07:56<insmod><claytonwalker>I would say install the older version that 915 works with the just use upgrade to get the new packages or wait till you figure it out -- it works on older versions like the wifes
07:57<insmod><claytonwalker>or use a distro that still uses it
07:57<antoniis>hello, trying to remove back_bdb from a running slapd 2.4.11-1 and getting error 80, any clues?
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07:58<claytonwalker>insmod: ok, ill think about. i think ill just continue wresteling with it till i get it.
07:59<insmod><claytonwalker>in 1996 I onse emailed the maintainer about a trident card -- I forced an older driver in a newer distro -- in hours he had emailed me and writen the new driver
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08:00<insmod><claytonwalker>still a good idea to get intouch with the them
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08:00<claytonwalker>insmod: what would i do, email the maintainer of 915resolution and ask for a new driver?
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08:02<insmod><claytonwalker>email him with the problem -- he would be the first to know the answer -- I onse also emailed the LTwinmodem dude in 1998
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08:02<Linux0wnsMe>hi community!
08:03<Linux0wnsMe>any ideas why i cant ping
08:03<Linux0wnsMe>i set my interface config static
08:03<insmod><claytonwalker>you could also force an install of an older driver -- may break the system but may work
08:04<antoniis>pinging fine from here
08:04<Linux0wnsMe>i can ping local
08:04<Linux0wnsMe>but not the internet
08:04<antoniis>try mtr
08:04<insmod><Linux0wnsMe>the lan is not up
08:04<Linux0wnsMe>y how can i check?
08:05<Linux0wnsMe>its a vmachine
08:05<antoniis>it's installed by default
08:05<claytonwalker>insmod: how to i force install the older driver? (that would be a last resort for me)
08:05<insmod><claytonwalker>get an older precompiled version and insmod -f module
08:05<insmod><claytonwalker>hence my name
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08:06<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
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08:06<insmod><claytonwalker> to force an install
08:06<claytonwalker>insmod: ah, i see, ok.
08:06<Linux0wnsMe>how do i restart my connection?
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08:07<insmod><Linux0wnsMe>if you have a working interfaces ifup -- if not ifconfig card up
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08:07<linuxguy>grr how do i get dpkg to tell me properly about ati drivers pls
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08:09<Linux0wnsMe>insmod ifconfig says wrong ip
08:10<insmod><Linux0wnsMe>there you go
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08:10<Linux0wnsMe>i changed allready the settings, just need to restart my interface. command?
08:10<linuxguy>insmod: i have installed the radeon drivers not the ati ones....and my display is in like widescreen.........its 1280x768 someone told me a couple of days ago how to make it work at 1280x1024
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08:11<insmod><Linux0wnsMe>if you edit intefaces -- then ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 if not try ifconfig eth0 down ifconfig eth0 up
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08:12<insmod><linuxguy>yes change the line in xorg
08:13<linuxguy>insmod: which one pls?
08:13<Linux0wnsMe><insmod> <Linux0wnsMe>if you edit intefaces -- then ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 if not try ifconfig eth0 down ifconfig eth0 up
08:13<claytonwalker>BOO F***ING YAH!!!
08:13<claytonwalker>correct screen rez.
08:13<claytonwalker>yay. thanks all.
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08:14<claytonwalker>insmod: read this sh**
08:14<insmod><linuxguy>edit xorg
08:15<linuxguy>insmod: yes i know how to edit the xorg.conf file but i dont know which line
08:15<insmod><claytonwalker>cool -- i will book mark
08:16<claytonwalker>insmod: yeah, im definitally keeping this page. for when i have to do this again
08:17<insmod><linuxguy>change 1280x768 to 1280x1024
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08:17<claytonwalker>insmod: heck i will. once i get a transformer for my printer though
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08:17<handjob>Hello again. How can i connect and play midi keyboard? Suggested software etc.?
08:18<linuxguy>insmod: its not there sorry
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08:19<insmod><linuxguy>then <claytonwalker> answer will work for you
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08:19<insmod><linuxguy>you have to add them the way he did
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08:22<linuxguy>insmod: like mode lines?
08:22<claytonwalker>linuxguy: yeah
08:22<insmod><linuxguy>yes just ask him what he did
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08:23<linuxguy>claytonwalker: can you tell me what you did pls?..i know they have to go in a specific place and i have the xorg.conf file open now
08:24<claytonwalker>linuxguy: here is the link that i used. follow it to the T.
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08:26*arw hello folks
08:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 395] by debhelper
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08:27<linuxguy>claytonwalker: and did that work for lenny?
08:27<Linux0wnsMe>why do i get this msg and how can i fixx.. eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
08:28<claytonwalker>linuxguy: i have the latest version of debian, so i guess its lenny yes.
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08:28*arw hello folks
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08:29<Linux0wnsMe>no ideas?
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08:30<Linux0wnsMe>when im typing ifconfig, i get this message. eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
08:31<streuner_>what does the kernel say about?
08:31<streuner_>dmesg or/and syslog/messages
08:31<linuxguy>claytonwalker: thanks i will try that laters
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08:32<streuner_>linuxguy: try "ifup eth0"
08:32<claytonwalker>linuxguy: but be carefull, the previous time i modified that file, i broke it. had to restore xorg.conf from backup.
08:32<streuner_>Linux0wnsMe: ifup eth0
08:32<streuner_>linuxguy: that was for <Linux0wnsMe>
08:33<streuner_>Linux0wnsMe: did you already configure eth0 at all?
08:34<Linux0wnsMe>yes i did
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08:35<Linux0wnsMe>failed to bring up eth0
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08:36<streuner_>did eth0 work before?
08:36<Linux0wnsMe>no streuner_
08:36<Linux0wnsMe>its a new vm
08:36<streuner_>is the NIC supported at all?
08:36<streuner_>oh, vm, nevermind then
08:37<Linux0wnsMe>i changed the /etc/../network settings on static
08:38<Linux0wnsMe>auto eth0 iface eth0 inet staticaaddressnetmaskbroadcastgateway
08:40<Linux0wnsMe>SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device streuner_
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08:40<handjob>Connecting midi keyboard anyone?
08:40<Linux0wnsMe>SIOCSIFBRADDR: No such device streuner_
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08:43<qwe>hi to all , in my latop i have Intel Corporation Cantiga Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller card,in ubuntu projector works but in debian it is not working,can anyone please help me
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08:47<qwe>i am compiling xf86-video-intel driver which is downloaded from intel website but getting error as xorg-server package is not found
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08:47<qwe>but there is no such package in repository
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08:49<qwe>in lenny intel driver is not able to detect my card 8086:2a42
08:49<qwe>i think this is bug
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08:51<Ikarus>qwe: wired card I think ?
08:52<Ikarus>if so the kernel is simply not up to date enough on the stable installer, consider using the testing installer (it should install stable just fine)
08:52<qwe>Ikarus, but i am using kernel
08:52<Ikarus>qwe: if it is a wireless card
08:52<Ikarus>it's just lacking the firmware
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08:54<qwe>Ikarus, no no i am not talking about wireless first i am talking about graphics card Intel Corporation Cantiga Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller
08:54<qwe>i am not able to use my projector
08:54<qwe>Ikarus, projector is not getting detected
08:54<Ikarus>so Xorg is behind
08:55<Ikarus>that is a wholly different story :)
08:55<qwe>Ikarus, but same works in ubuntu ..and both xorg are same
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08:55<qwe>after reboot normally it should auto detect projector but it not
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08:56<Ikarus>hmz, no idea in that case
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08:57<qwe>Ikarus, i feels it is xorg driver problem or xorg configuration
08:57<Ikarus>yeah, but check the version of the driver package in Debian, I'd bet it is older
08:58<qwe>Ikarus, i took from lenny
08:58<qwe>which package shall i use?
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09:00<Ikarus>qwe: well, if you think it is a problem with the package version in Lenny, you can take the xserver-xorg-video-intel package from testing
09:01<gsimmons>qwe: Known issue, see Create an xorg.conf in order to use the intel driver.
09:01<qwe>Ikarus, will it upgrade and cause any problem to my system?
09:01<Ikarus>qwe: see what gsimmons said
09:02<qwe>gsimmons, thanks but if i use intel driver then i am getting error as no device found
09:03<gsimmons>qwe: Pastebin your xorg.conf and X logfile.
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09:05<iulius>hi everybody
09:06<iulius>i got some problems with configuring an ftp on debian lenny
09:06<iulius>so i thought, I check with some pros ;)
09:06<Ikarus>which ftpd ?
09:06<iulius>i get an error when logging in
09:07<iulius>that pam can't access the passwd file
09:07<iulius>i created a passwd file with
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09:08<iulius>htpasswd -c /etc/vsftpd/passwd testuser
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09:08<iulius>now i get these errors:
09:08<iulius>Oct 3 13:01:12 vs185113 vsftpd: pam_unix(vsftpd:auth): check pass; user unknown
09:09<iulius>Oct 3 13:01:12 vs185113 vsftpd: pam_unix(vsftpd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ftp ruser=testuser rhost=
09:09<qwe>gsimmons, my xorg.conf
09:09<iulius>Oct 3 13:01:12 vs185113 pam_pwdfile[16364]: couldn't open password file /etc/vsftp/passwd
09:09<Ikarus>iulius: is the file readable to the vsftpd user ?
09:09<qwe>gsimmons, my xorg.log
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09:09<iulius>i tried to chmod /etc/vsftpd/passwd to 0777
09:09<Ikarus>(yes, I know, silly question)
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09:10<iulius>so should be readable to everybody
09:10<Ikarus>iulius: never do that btw :)
09:10<iulius>me neither
09:10<iulius>that's just for testing purposes ;)
09:10<Ikarus>it might actually be complaining it doesn't want to open a file with too wide permissions
09:10<Ikarus>ssh does that aswell
09:10<Ikarus>also, it might be chrooted
09:10<Ikarus>so the path might not refer to the actual path
09:11<iulius>well the debian system is running in a virtual machine
09:12<iulius>and I have root access to it
09:12<Ikarus>iulius: yes, but vsftpd might be chrooting itself
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09:15<qwe>gsimmons,i feels problem in intel driver package..or xorg.conf but still i am not getting what it is exactly how to resolve this
09:15<gsimmons>qwe: Your device is found. Try restarting your system and test against a 2.6.26 kernel.
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09:18<iulius>but vsftpd doesn't handle the user access
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09:18<iulius>this should be done by pam
09:18<iulius>therefore it should matter for login if vsftpd chroots itself
09:18<domino>hi,has anyone successfully installed the 2.6.31 kernel yet?
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09:22<Gun_Smoke>domino, yep
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09:24<melknix>there is someone that can help me?
09:24<Gun_Smoke>!ask > melknix
09:24<qwe>gsimmons Ikarus thanks atlast it worked i have upgraded once again intel package with lenny .and it worked
09:24<domino>nice, i was just wondering where you got the kernel from
09:24<melknix>i'have a problem with xorg
09:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:25<domino>ahhah, good one : ) I was trying to avoid building it but I'll do that and post back if anything. thanks
09:26<qwe>gsimmons, Ikarus but now one problem i am facing with camorama that webcam works with xawtv but not in camoram gives error as VIDIOCGMBF -could not set buffer info
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09:26<melknix>i've installed the backtrack 4 beta, but the xorg.conf file have no resolution written or monitor. how can i reconfigure xorg with autodetect?
09:26<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #remote-exploit on See also <based on debian>.
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09:27<Gun_Smoke>domino, Yes, you'll need to build 2.6.31. Check out make-kpkg
09:27<chocolat888>bonsoir :)
09:27<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
09:28<melknix>ok sorry, wrong channel... thanks by
09:28<Gun_Smoke>!ask > Gun_Smoke
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09:28<Gun_Smoke>How does bot redirection work here?
09:29<themill>dpkg: tell Gun_Smoke about dpkgbot
09:29<locklace>Gun_Smoke: you just truncated yourself
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09:36<linuxguy>how how do i install flash player pls im using Lenny
09:38<dpkg>it has been said that flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
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09:39<xyz>wahnsinn ich bin drinn!!!
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09:40<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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09:46<Ikarus>meh @ debian installer from Lenny not supporting rtl8101 cards properly
09:47<TheSun>Salve, ho un problema con un EeePC 900 HD con Debian Lenny montato sopra. Riguarda il Wireless, siete disponibili per darmi un po di aiuto visto che sono impazzito fino ad ora? XD
09:47<Ikarus>means I have to patch around using a testing installer and stuff
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09:47<bja>dpkg: tell TheSun about br
09:47<Ikarus>or even worse
09:48<TheSun>I'm italian -.-'
09:48<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
09:49<bja>excusa me confundi
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09:51<Ikarus>Lenny installer is failing with unable to detect DHCP and looking through dmesg gives me r8169 0000:03:00.0: unknown MAC (27c00700)
09:51<Ikarus>and testing installer is able to find the NIC properly, but is refusing to install stable
09:53<locklace>try the backport installer
09:54<Ikarus>locklace: been unable to find it :)
09:54<dpkg>For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of
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10:17<oxi_>aptitude purge package also removes depending packages, right?
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10:18<bja>Is there a specific channel for Debian on the PS3?
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10:19<ComradeHaz>oxi_: yes and packages no longer depended on
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10:19<oxi_>ComradeHaz: thanks - Is there a way to force only removal of the package without removing any dependencies?
10:20<oxi_>Does anyone know if there's a simple way to remove all "recommends" on a system?
10:20<ComradeHaz>oxi_: actually, that was wrong
10:20<ComradeHaz>it does not
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10:21<oxi_>ComradeHaz: hmm, but aptitude purge rhino wants to remove all java dependencies completely
10:21<ComradeHaz>just checking with a friend, hold on :d
10:22<ComradeHaz>I thought it did, but had a sudden thought I was wrng, looks like I am
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10:24<Abhinav>can someone tell me where i can troubleshooting info on xming other than it's own site
10:24<ComradeHaz>oxi_: so when you try to purge rhino it suggests removal of all depending packages right?
10:24<oxi_>ComradeHaz: right
10:25<oxi_>and those are a lot of dependencies
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10:25<oxi_>it might even kill the system
10:25<ComradeHaz>then why do you want to remove it?
10:26<ComradeHaz>if it depends on them, that's a hint it, you know, needs that package to run ;)
10:26<oxi_>ComradeHaz: I feel like rhino isn't required on my system
10:26<ComradeHaz>but aptitude is clearly informing you otherwise.
10:26<oxi_>further I'd like to see how many packages I can remove and have java/tomcat still running
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10:26<oxi_>ComradeHaz: I think aptitude is lieing
10:27<ComradeHaz>hmm, I think you're right
10:27<oxi_>rhino is just for java6 compatibility completion
10:27<oxi_>many apps don't really use that lib :-)
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10:28<ComradeHaz>can you pm me the list of things it wants to uninstall?
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10:29<ComradeHaz>can you not just say no to its suggestions until it says leave dependancies unresolved?
10:29<oxi_>another example: I want to aptitude purge sed: acpi-support-base, acpid, console-common, console-tools, cron, ifupdown, initramfs-tools, initscripts, linux-image-2.6-686, linux-image-2.6.26-2-686, linux-image-2.6.30-1-686, logrotate, lsb-base, module-init-tools, netbase, ntpdate, openssh-server, procps, rsyslog, sysvinit, udev, util-linux
10:30<oxi_>ComradeHaz: my purge list is simple: Anything that is not absolutely required to run Tomcat :-)
10:30<ComradeHaz>maybe you should wait for someone a bit more pro than me :D
10:30<oxi_>I already purged tar, nano and vi :-)
10:30<ComradeHaz>and linux ;)
10:30<oxi_>but that only freed a few KB's
10:30<ComradeHaz>like they take up any space
10:30<ComradeHaz>it's really not gonna help much
10:30<oxi_>ComradeHaz: I'l like to see how far down I can take it to run Tomcat :-)
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10:31<oxi_>ComradeHaz: yeah, I noticed that too, they didn't really free a lot
10:31<oxi_>I'm looking for large packages
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10:31<ComradeHaz>well, just try and see
10:31<quitte>oxi_: to keep unnecessary dependencies low you should rebuild the packages.
10:31<ComradeHaz>as long as you don't make it unbootable you should be fine
10:32<Abhinav>or can i get some help on xming here itself
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10:33<oxi_>here's my current package list at 379M:
10:33<oxi_>quitte: you mean modify each package by hand?
10:36<quitte>oxi_: no. just some.
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10:36<oxi_>if I want to remove perl-base for example, doing aptitude purge perl-base, then it want's to remove my kernel, which I don't like!
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10:36<oxi_>quitte: hmm :-(
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10:37<quitte>oxi_: messing with the packaging is quite an interesting waste of time
10:38<themill>oxi_: perl is most definitely required on your debian system.
10:38<tnks>anyone know of a package that's kind of like xev, but for demos to visually show people what keystrokes you've typed?
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10:38<tnks>in particular, I'm thinking it would be good for helping people keep up with a live demo.
10:38<oxi_>quitte: is there another better approach to waste my time and minimalize the system for java?
10:39<tnks>and also, maybe good for code pairing, since sometimes people have magic keystrokes.
10:39<tnks>i suppose i could homebrew one using xev or something.
10:39<tnks>but it would be a horrible hack.
10:39<themill>tnks: do some of the on-screen keyboards so that?
10:39<oxi_>themill: I didn't expect perl to be required.
10:40<tnks>themill: maybe so, but I don't have fancy equipment.
10:40<tnks>themill: seems like the kind of thing that can just be done with a simple X app.
10:40<themill>oxi_: "aptitude why packagename" will often tell you why things are installed
10:40<oxi_>themill: great
10:41<themill>tnks: yeah, that's what I meant
10:42<quitte>oxi_: there are howtos for running stuff in chroots. basically you put the programs you want to use in a chroot and then add libraries and other files until it stops crashing
10:42<oxi_>probably the easiest is to rm -rf all over the system
10:43<xeon-enouf>oxi_: 06:32 < oxi_> I'm looking for large packages -> dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less
10:43<oxi_>quitte: I assumed the other way round might be easier: get it running, do a snapshot and remove until it crashes and then backtrack
10:44<oxi_>xeon-enouf: awesome!!!
10:44<xeon-enouf>oxi_: also note what dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'standard|important|required' | sort -n | less shows you - you want/need all important and required
10:45<themill>or just: aptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %20I"
10:45<oxi_>that's crazy bash-fu
10:45<xeon-enouf>might not want -n in sort there (forgot to take it out) ;-)
10:46<oxi_>I have linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 and linux-image-2.6.30-1-686 installed, which are quite large
10:47*xeon-enouf too ;-)
10:47<oxi_>I guess I'm only using one of those
10:47<xeon-enouf>indeed - never remove your one and only known working kernel ;-)
10:47<oxi_>ah, locales is also eating up my drive ... rm -rf :-)
10:47<xeon-enouf>uname -r (or -a) ; cat /proc/version
10:48<xeon-enouf>oxi_: i use localepurge
10:48<oxi_>xeon-enouf: perfect, thank you!
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10:49<xeon-enouf>and you could have a script that cleans out all older /var/log/*.gz files - or figure out how to tune rsyslog/syslog/etc to not log 5 (or so) instances, etc
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10:50<oxi_>removed my old kernel: 379M -> 315M ... yeah!!!
10:50<oxi_>xeon-enouf: thanks a lot for the great ideas! ... I'll go though all of them
10:51<oxi_>is there an ultra-tiny mbr to replace grub?
10:51<quitte>oxi_: lilo
10:52<quitte>oxi_: once lilo is in the mbr you can deinstall it
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10:52<quitte>oxi_: for the locales - try localepurge
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10:54<oxi_>quitte: does the same apply to grub? ... once grub is in the mbr, can I replace it?
10:55<xeon-enouf>i wouldn't recommend uninstalling LiLo, you need to rerun it on each kernel upgrade
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10:55<quitte>oxi_: no. grub is partially loaded from the boot partition
10:56<xeon-enouf>oxi_: grub2 is smaller, and modular, IINM, ask in #grub on freenode
10:56<xeon-enouf>oxi_: see core.img, etc
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10:57<xeon-enouf>grub-mkimage, etc - but it still uses a /boot/grub/grub.cfg ; /etc/grub.d/ and /etc/defualt/grub
10:58<oxi_>I was just wondering: before I tried aptitude purge perl-base, which purged about 200M, including the kernel, but my system was still running. Therefore I was thinking it might be possible to purge lots of files which are required for init and bootstrapping and then kindof dump the memory state and next time I want to run the system just restore the hibernated state?
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10:58<oxi_>xeon-enouf: awesome, thanks for your grub-fu'ism
10:58<xeon-enouf>oxi_: you should try/see #debirf :-P
10:58<xeon-enouf>or any small livecd
10:59<xeon-enouf>or make your own
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10:59<oxi_>some small live cds don't do any init, they just restore a memory state?
10:59<xeon-enouf>see debian-live,, /msg dpkg cdd ; see bootcd pkg
10:59<oxi_>ok, great
11:00<xeon-enouf>they can be loaded totally into RAM
11:00<xeon-enouf>ofcourse they have init/SysV :-) (well, many distros do)
11:01<oxi_>so I could prepare a special hibernate image and write the 1's into the ram
11:01<xeon-enouf>toram= fromram= boot params, with even a myconfig=/dev/fd0 :-)
11:01<oxi_>I assumed fd= floppy disk :-)
11:01<xeon-enouf>(that last line was knoppix related - maybe even so)
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11:02<xeon-enouf>have a looksee
11:02<pkern>Hi. I'm left with the root directory as the current working directory in many of my terminals on Debian sid. Does anyone know what causes this?
11:02<xeon-enouf>grml2ram Copy grml's squashfs file to RAM and run from there (compare with 'grml toram')
11:02<oxi_>wow, GRML is really powerful
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11:03<oxi_>now I only need ram2grml :-)
11:03<xeon-enouf>i haven't been following devel lately - hey! wweren;'t you using #emdebian?
11:03<xeon-enouf>so what's with all the bloat?
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11:05<xeon-enouf>oxi_: bootcd pkg
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11:05<xeon-enouf>judd: info bootcd
11:05<judd>xeon-enouf: bootcd (utils): is extra; Version: 3.10+nmu1; Size: 72.3k; Installed: 280k -- run your system from cd without need for disks
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11:05<xeon-enouf>oxi_: apt-cache show bootcd or see p.d.o
11:06<oxi_>xeon-enouf: I don't know. before OpenJDK it was 280M for Sid. And after install it was 390M. Now I'm down to 315M removing the old kernel. I'm wondering if I can reach 100M with heavy removal and high compression
11:06<xeon-enouf>pkern: hrm..
11:06<xeon-enouf>pkern: 'su -' would cause that
11:06<xeon-enouf>pkern: are you root user?
11:07<pkern>xeon-enouf: It happens with normal users.
11:07<pkern>su - should end up in /root, fwiw.
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11:07<xeon-enouf>oxi_: plenty of free space left on one CD :-P
11:07<oxi_>right, that's true! :-)
11:07<xeon-enouf>pkern: thoughtthat'swhatyou meant
11:08<pkern>xeon-enouf: Well, sorry, I meant /
11:08<xeon-enouf>root/ is a dir, but youmeant /
11:08<xeon-enouf>pkern: well ... which debian release? and dooes /etc/passwd show their users /home/username?
11:09<pkern>xeon-enouf: squeeze and sid both show this behaviour. And sure, otherwise I would be screwed. ;-)
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11:09<xeon-enouf>pkern: seems you made users without also giving each a /home/
11:09<pkern>I suppose it's something in the chain of X or kdm setting cwd to / and others inheriting it.
11:10<xeon-enouf>pkern: no
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11:11<xeon-enouf>it's /etc/login.defs, /etc/profile, /etc/skel, /etc/adduser.conf, /etc/default/useradd and your misuse of useradd/adduser "related"
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11:11<xeon-enouf>and perhaps something with shadowing and /etc/pam.d/
11:12<pkern>Well, I get the right one on the console.
11:12<pkern>I wonder if it could be pam, that would be weird though.
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11:12<xeon-enouf>thanks for telling us that upfront
11:13<xeon-enouf>< pkern> Hi. I'm left with the root directory as the current working directory in many of my terminals <--- ???? wtf?
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11:15<pkern>Well. Yeah. Precise questioning fail. Well, konsole or gnome-terminal.
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11:18<miguel>what is the easest method to update my kernel?
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11:19<bja>miguel: what release do you have?
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11:20<miguel>ah sooryy
11:20<miguel>i have lenny
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11:20<miguel>(Debian 2.6.26-15lenny3)
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11:26<bja>miguel: take a look at backports
11:27<bja>dpkg: tell miguel about backports
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11:34<Ikarus>hey, in gdm, where the hell is the commandline it starts X with hidden, or is there another cleaner way of specifying the DPI of the X server, it is misdetecting the display size (by a huge margin)
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11:35<weasel>josh_away: don't do that
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11:36<sney>Ikarus: it's in gdm.conf
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11:38<generallee>Is there any unrar program which scans for .rar files and automaticly extract the files?
11:38<generallee>Inside a folder.
11:39<bja>generallee: check for unrar on the non-free section
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11:40<generallee>yeah, i already have that program but it does the job a little manyally.
11:41<ifvoid>I'm trying to export my cups printer over samba to a windows client
11:41<bja>generallee: if you are using gnome, the normal fronted for unpacking shoul connect to unrar
11:42<ifvoid>but cupsaddsmb fails: Running command: rpcclient localhost -N -A /tmp//4ac770c0eb098 -c 'setdriver Samsung Samsung' result was WERR_ACCESS_DENIED
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11:42<Ikarus>bja: #samba on freenode is usually a better place to ask
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11:43<bja>Ikarus: ??
11:44<Ikarus>sney: which option would it be there
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11:44<Ikarus>bja: errr, I see irssi messed up the term
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11:45<Ikarus>sney: because under [daemon] StandardXServer=/usr/X11R6/bin/X -dpi 96 seems to be discarded
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11:52<josh_away>weasel: sorry, what?
11:52<weasel>away nicks.
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11:55<iseit>dim dimi
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11:55<iseit_>epa you
11:56<iseit>que paso jouuu
11:56<josh_away>weasel: sorry. thank you
11:56<iseit>el dimiiiii
11:56<adb>stop it iseit*
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12:02<fx4>need a very lightweight net monitor applet for lxde desktop running on deb lenny. any suggestions?
12:04<bja>run "watch netstat" it should be very light although is cli based
12:04<fx4>through command line ?
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12:06<fx4>cool, wiil give it a whirl. thx
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12:08<miguel>how can i watch or caputre my webcam ?
12:08<miguel>becasue when i try: mplayer /dev/video0
12:08<miguel>i get some errors: can not seek backwards in linear streams
12:12<miguel>ok i have to say tv://
12:12<chocolat888>miguel: mplayer -vf screenshot -fps 30 tv://
12:12<miguel>then it works, thx
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12:12<chocolat888>so u can use mencoder -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -o foo.avi -tv driver=v4l2 tv://
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12:23<zsakr>I have switched from windows server ed to linux debian, it's an ntfs drive.
12:23<zsakr>but permissions aren't working very well
12:23<zsakr>i tried defaults but it only allows me to browse directories now, any ideas?
12:23<zsakr>i think I might have to use uid.
12:23<zsakr>any ideas please?
12:24<bja>zsakr: what driver for the ntfs are you using?
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12:25<ans-tot1222>Is Microsoft Public License (Ms-PL) copyleft?
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12:25<zsakr>no idea bja
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12:26<bja>paste the line of fstab that is supposed to mount the ntfs partition
12:28<bja>if it reads something like this, "/dev/hda1 /windows ntfs user,noauto,umask=0222 0 2
12:28<ans-tot1222>ok it is copyleft
12:28<bja>then you should install the ntgs-3g package to mount in a read/write mode
12:30<zsakr>here: /dev/hdc1 /mnt ntfs uid 0 0
12:30<zsakr>it's the part where I have uid that is wrong
12:31<bja>i don't think so, you are using the old driver that is only capable of reading the filesystem, you need the ntfs-3g package if you want to write into it
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12:33<zsakr>isnt everything 777 on ntfs?
12:33<zsakr>maybe thats why?
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12:36<zsakr> i had to add umask=000
12:36<zsakr>everything is working now
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12:47<DeadFishMan>does anyone here uses privoxy?
12:47<bja>DeadFishMan: what is the problem?
12:47<BlouBlou>DeadFishMan: I am using it
12:47<DeadFishMan>I have it on my laptop and it is working alright except that I can't make it start its daemon at boot time no matter what.
12:48<DeadFishMan>I have to start it manually every time.
12:48<DeadFishMan>Tried to create a init script to force it to start but it does not work either
12:48<DeadFishMan>I'm using Sid here
12:48<BlouBlou>DeadFishMan: well, normally it starts always when OS starts, like Tor
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12:49<DeadFishMan>BlouBlou: Yeah, that's what I thought. But it doesn't.
12:49<DeadFishMan>already googled for it but haven't found anything relevant.
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12:54<DeadFishMan>The weird thing is that '/etc/init.d/privoxy start' works just fine. I don't actually need to run the commands manually.
12:55<DeadFishMan>I tried to recreate the symlinks in /etc/rc*.d to no avail
12:58<xeon-enouf>DeadFishMan: whuch rc?.d/
12:58<gsimmons>DeadFishMan: Any fatal errors reported in /var/log/privoxy/logfile?
12:58<xeon-enouf>anything worth anything and is firewall related starts in rcS.d/
12:59<xeon-enouf>DeadFishMan: also see /etc/default/* for startup daemon config
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13:01<xeon-enouf>DeadFishMan: installing it should create it's own startup init.d/ script and any/all relevant symlinks in whichever rc?.d/ it needs - note many need entries also in rc{0,1,6}.d/ for proper cleanup when shutting down
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13:02<xeon-enouf>DeadFishMan: a tool like sysv-rc-config will show you which are enabled/disabled - however, i like rcconf for this
13:02<xeon-enouf>you could /msg dpkg rcconf ; /msg dpkg runlevels
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13:03<DeadFishMan>xeon-enouf: I put it in rc3.d (single user no X, just in case) and rc5.d using update-rc.d
13:04<DeadFishMan>gsimmons: Let me check these logfiles real quick. Just a sec.
13:04<DeadFishMan>xeon-enouf: Answering your next question, it did create the startup init scripts. They just won't start for some reason.
13:05<xeon-enouf>ok - so i just ran update-rcconf-guide because i just installed and configurred arno-iptables-firewall - and it confirms (rcconf does) that it does indeed ALSO see rcS.d/ symlinks - i thought for a while there that rcconf only handled the default multiuser+GUI runlevel rc2.d/
13:06<xeon-enouf>DeadFishMan: dmesg | grep -i selinux says? and which Debian is this?
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13:06<xeon-enouf>~$ find /etc/rc?.d/ /etc/init.d/ -name '*privoxy*' says?
13:06<DeadFishMan>xeon-enouf: [ 0.004073] SELinux: Disabled at boot.
13:07<DeadFishMan>xeon-enouf: And this is Sid
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13:08<DeadFishMan>xeon-enouf: Is it okay to paste about 07 lines in here directly? That command found the startup and shutdown scripts for privoxy in their respective rc directories
13:08<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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13:15<DeadFishMan>gsimmons, xeon-enouf: This is what I get from /var/log/privoxy/logfile:
13:16<DeadFishMan>gsimmons, xeon-enouf: Could it be that the daemon is trying to start before the network init scripts and therefore cannot bind itself to localhost because it can't resolve the name??
13:16<gsimmons>DeadFishMan: See Debian bug #534735.
13:17<DeadFishMan>gsimmons: OK
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13:21<DeadFishMan>gsimmons, xeon-enouf: So the trick is to replace the listen-address with either or, huh? Neat!
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13:23<gsimmons>DeadFishMan: According to the bug report, it may workaround whatever issue is present in 3.0.13-1. Use if you don't intend to make privoxy listen on all interfaces.
13:23<DeadFishMan>gsimmons, xeon-enouf: OK. I will give it a shot and then I will let you know how it worked out. Thanks a bunch, guys!
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13:29<Ikarus>in what Debian package are the default gnome menus ?
13:29<xeon-enouf>DeadFishMan: i don't know what privoxy is/does, but networking is up prior to rc2.d/ scripts running, and i only see rc2.d/ as the possible earliest it'll start from your pastebin
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13:31<DeadFishMan>xeon-enouf: Thanks. I'll keep that in mind but that debian bug shed a light upon the subject. It is likely that privoxy version 3.0.13-1 has some sort of bug. The discussion over there suggests to replace the 'localhost' from listen-address with
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13:32<DeadFishMan>xeon-enouf: I will have to postpone the testing, though, as I can't reboot my laptop right now.
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13:32<DeadFishMan>xeon-enouf: But again, I realy appreciate all the help. You guys are the greatest!
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13:49<hxB5>Hi all, i am thinking of upgrading my Desktop Computer... and would like some feedback, advices to choose the right component. Already googled a lot, but cannot seem to find the right place to get the answers... do you know any good forums/channels?
13:49<hxB5>(am on lenny by the way)
13:50<miguel>how can i RECORD from tv:// ?
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13:54<jpinx-eeepc>hxB5: #hardware ?
13:54<cahoot>IIRC vlc offers the option
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13:58<xeon-enouf>miguel: -dumpfile
13:59<xeon-enouf>and -dump<something>
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13:59<xeon-enouf>ahh -dumpstream miguel
13:59<xeon-enouf>man mplayer ;-)
13:59<hxB5>Will have a look at #hardware thx
14:00<xeon-enouf>wait hx
14:00<xeon-enouf>erm hxB5
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14:00<xeon-enouf>hxB5: you know what - yeah let's /j #hardware on then
14:01<xeon-enouf>ok, i'm there ;-)
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14:05<xeon-enouf>DeadFishMan: it's our pleasure to help (and hopefully teach a little), so thanks for the thanks - feel free to stick around, chime in, etc :-)
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14:40<xeon-enouf>10:41:17 <dpkg> A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking XLV to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.
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14:51<vincent>Hi. Is there any way to let SSH run on two ports at the same time?
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14:57<leper>i have one question
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14:57<leper>debian packages are compatible with sabayon??
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14:59<Nemoder>leper: I believe sabayon is gentoo based not debian based, regardless you shouldn't mix packages from different distributions
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15:01<cahoot>vincent: yes
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15:06<bja>vincent: man sshd / -p port
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15:15<leper>nemoder and what distribution have total compatibility with debian packages?
15:18<vincent>bja, cahoot: Thanks!
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15:24<leper>bja, jajajajajaja i got it lol jajaja
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15:26<leper>hello aidenn
15:27<aidenn>i'm having a problem with dwm from testing. no one at suckless seems to know what's wrong, so i'll try here. every time I bring up dmenu, the statusbar waits for ~5-6 secs before showing up dmenu. cpu is idle, disk is idle, it just waits. the same goes for first showing up of the statusbar after starting X. if i run dmenu_run from the command line it shows up immediately. it's the same in both 5.6 and 5.7.1 from incoming.
15:28<brain2>Hi guys! Just upgraded a lenny box to testing. GDM wont start anymore. xorg.0.log stops with "GLX: Initialized DRISWRAST GL provider for screen 0", and then gdm dies But if I run startx as root, Xorg works. If I take a look at xorg.0.log when running startx as root "config/hal: Adding input device AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" can be seen as the next message wich didnt appear when trying with GDM. I suspects something is wrog with Xorg/HAL/GD
15:28<brain2>M. Any help?
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15:35<bja>brain2: did you try startx as normal user?
15:35<brain2>bja: No
15:36<bja>brain2: why don't you try it to see whats the output
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15:37<leper>gotta go gor a while
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15:38<brain2>bja: startx for normal user works aswell. It's GDM that seems to be troublesome
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15:50<darkeagle>Any ideas what package/project handles keyboard scancodes -> keycodes mappings? (I beleave udev does some...)
15:50<darkeagle>...interested to get Logitech multimedia keyboard fully working...
15:51<bja>darkeagle: xev will give you the scan codes
15:52<darkeagle>no it doesn't, cos in dmesf: "atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xda on isa0060/serio0)." "atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e05a <keycode>' to make it known."
15:53<darkeagle>setkeycodes makes it "known", but doesn't effect keycode
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15:54<metalqga>gnome's "keyboard shortcuts" does what you want
15:55<darkeagle>hmmm... I'm not going to install gnome to check that
15:56<darkeagle>I don't beleave it even would undestand.
15:56<hugoxrosa>darkeagle, check with xev
15:56<darkeagle>as I sead. xev doesn't say anything.
15:57<darkeagle>but in dmesg there is those two lines for every keypress.
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16:00<darkeagle>keyboard is corded model of this:
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16:00<darkeagle>and buttons that do NOT work are X (close) and all F-mode buttons
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16:04<cbaxter1988>hello world
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16:06<metalqga>good bye world
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16:12<hugoxrosa>darkeagle, try use showkey to discover de scancode of keys.
16:12<hugoxrosa>showkey -k (will give scan code)
16:12<darkeagle>or nothing...
16:13<hugoxrosa>sorry is, showkey -s
16:13<darkeagle>I know ;)
16:13<darkeagle>it's about 3 hours that I have been finding out how to do it.
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16:15<darkeagle>best result would be using "setkeycodes <hex> <some random numver that doesn't matter>" for all keys and then look "showkeys -s" scan codes. write .Xmodmap based on scancodes to result correct keypresses
16:15<darkeagle>but that isn't correct way to do things
16:15<darkeagle>it will effect all keyboards
16:15<hugoxrosa>Have you tried to set a useless function like show letter X.
16:15<Jerryclunsford>What ports can apache 2 webserver use on debian lenny? I can't use 80 the speedstream 4200 router uses it.
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16:16<darkeagle>Jerryclunsford: what ever you want. 8080 8000 8888 would be nice
16:16<cahoot>portforwarding isn't what you want?
16:16<darkeagle>Jerryclunsford: look /etc/apache2/ports.conf
16:17<darkeagle>Jerryclunsford: also note that you really would like 80 for webserver and for eq 8080 to router
16:18<darkeagle>hugoxrosa: what you mean by setting funktion? what place?
16:18<Jerryclunsford>I tried port forwarding 8080 but the router won't take stars set at 80
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16:19<hugoxrosa>darkeagle, I fought you have had problem to set any keycode to the key.
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16:19<hugoxrosa>but if it work with .Xmodmap that it another problem.
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16:20<Squelos>hi all
16:20<Jerryclunsford>I know how to configure the ports in apache. maybe this router just won't get there from here
16:20<darkeagle>hugoxrosa: well. it uses some "random" keycode if setscancode is used.
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16:21<Squelos>i want to install debian on my laptop (its for work, and i got Vista installed) but i want to keep Vista. I have 130gigs free to make a new partition (no problems up to now) but i was wondering, where do i install grub and how do i need to proceed if i dont want to fuck up vista
16:22<Jerryclunsford>to late vista came that way
16:22<Squelos>Jerry, are you talking to me?
16:22<locklace>!dual boot guide
16:22<dpkg>A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of linux, xp and vista can be found at . The guide covers both windows and linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>. See for an ISO image to help fix up GRUB problems.
16:23<Squelos>actually, ive already searched. And i found a few topics explaining how to proceed, but i think you can just install grub on the debian partition
16:24<Gun_Smoke>let grub take over.
16:24<darkeagle>hugoxrosa: I also found this nice file ( /usr/share/doc/udev/README.keymap.txt ), but "sudo /lib/udev/keymap -i input/eventX" for correct event can't read scancodes (working ones it can)
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16:25<darkeagle>Squelos: it is possible to use microsoft bootloader to start linux, but grub is easier to configure
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16:27<darkeagle>/usr/share/doc/udev/README.keymap.txt -->
16:27<Squelos>yeah, ill do so. I just need to install GRUB onto the / partition then ?
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16:28<darkeagle>Squelos: jep. or use /boot partition.
16:28<darkeagle>and to mbr (master boot record)
16:29<hugoxrosa>darkeagle, hum... no one can read scancode...
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16:29<Squelos>And considering i got 130gigs to install debian, how should i partition theses 130gigs ?
16:29<azeem>as you like
16:29<azeem>Debian doesn't need so much
16:29<hugoxrosa>darkeagle, have you tried different layout or keyboards like suggested by README.keymap.txt?
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16:31<Squelos>i might need a swap ? well i mean, a partition that linux and windows can read, to transfer some files no ?
16:31<hugoxrosa>darkeagle, it seems that you will have to find a keyboard that have the scancode you need mapped to some keycode.
16:31<Squelos>what would be the best choice then ? FAT ?
16:32<darkeagle>hugoxrosa: I would like to know, how I create custom keymap, so there would be correct one to be shipped with debian/etc
16:32<darkeagle>as I can see /lib/udev/keymaps/ lags all desktop layouts...
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16:33<darkeagle>though evdev might work with newest keyboards correctly
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16:33<darkeagle>Squelos: there is very goof ext2/3 drivers for windows, so use ext3 partition.
16:34<Squelos>ok :) Ill use that then :).
16:34<Squelos>And, should i just create one big partition, or separate /usr/var etc ...?
16:34<darkeagle>I beleave it was:
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16:35<hugoxrosa>darkeagle, I have used keymaps to change keys some time ago, but I have never made a new one.
16:35<darkeagle>Squelos: in your case: /boot (if you like), / , /data (this to be shared for both)
16:35<darkeagle>Squelos: and /home is nice also.
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16:35<Squelos>ok :) Then ill just dooa /boot, /, and /home. XFS for all except the /date
16:36<darkeagle>Squelos: maybe, 10G for /, 10G for /home, 80G for /data, 30G for windows...
16:36<hugoxrosa>actually I use xmodmap to remap keys
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16:37<Squelos>darkeagle, i already have my windows partition. There is 130gigs left for linux :)
16:37<darkeagle>I beleave if I want to do this perfectly I should learn how udev handles keyboards and how keymaps are handled etc...
16:37<darkeagle>Squelos: Ouh. it were "left", not total :P
16:38<darkeagle>Squelos: and make some nice links from your home folder to /data ;) (like, music, etc)
16:38<Squelos>yeah, i got some trouble with english
16:38<darkeagle>and same on windows
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16:38<Squelos>im not english :p
16:39<Squelos>what would be the best format etc ... to boot fast ?
16:39<hugoxrosa>darkeagle, initially I fought you could map a scancode to a unused keycode, then map it. But, I thing you will have to look how keymaps work, as you said.
16:39<hugoxrosa>Sorry I can't help you.
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16:41<darkeagle>hugoxrosa: I tried first to map scancodes to keycodes and so on, but setkeycodes couldn't set keycode, just enabled (or something) scancode.
16:41<darkeagle>Squelos: sold state drive ;)
16:42<darkeagle>Squelos: imho it doesn't matter so much with normal drives. At least with 5400rpm ;)
16:42<darkeagle>drive is slowest...
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16:44<fgh>any tips for replacement program for network manager in gnome?
16:44<darkeagle>fgh: desktop / laptop?
16:45<darkeagle>fgh: do you use wlan?
16:45<fgh>sometimes yes
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16:45<darkeagle>then I would beleave gnome-network-manager (that what you are using) is best.
16:46<darkeagle>sorry. network-manager-gnome
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16:46<fgh>hm, ok. once i used something else just cant recall the name
16:46<fgh>but maybe network-manager is all right after all :)
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16:47<darkeagle>imho, concept sucks. but it's still best...
16:47<darkeagle>or should I say. does the work...
16:49<Squelos>darkeagle, yeah, i know, 5400RPMs suck cock, but debian owns :p. Im convinced that with a good install, i can boot in less than 60secs
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16:51<darkeagle>Squelos: if you really want fast system, then you go to store, buy 80G SSD, and then go to home and install gentoo ;P ... well. it will boot fast, but upgrade will be hell... (and that is reason why I use debian on my eee pc)
16:51<Squelos>Yeah. Here i gotta go.
16:51<Squelos>Im gonna install debian.
16:52<Squelos>So, i just need to install grub on the / partition ?
16:52<Squelos>And thats all?
16:52<darkeagle>and to mbr
16:52<darkeagle>but that is "automatic"
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16:52<darkeagle>Squelos: lenny/sid in mind?
16:52<Squelos>Here, im gonna go.
16:52<Squelos>dunno, probs lenny.
16:53<darkeagle>cos grub-pc does it really nice ;)
16:53<Squelos>Its my laptop for work.
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16:53<darkeagle>lenny is good then
16:53<Squelos>well, not sid, i could use sqeeze maybe.
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16:54<darkeagle>hope that everything goes easily
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16:55<edbian>I'm trying to set up dnsmasq to act as a dns cache on my personal machine. I'm having trouble? Here is the guide I'm using:
16:55<edbian>Anyone wanna help me?
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16:57<darkeagle>edbian: got resolvconf packet installed?
16:57<edbian>darkeagle: Yeah. Wanna see my resolv.conf?
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16:58<xeon-enouf>darkeagle: not to be demeaning or offensive, it's "package", not packet (as in Ethernet packet)
16:58<darkeagle>edbian: then you have to remebe to edit /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
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16:58<edbian>darkeagle: What's in there that I need to edit? I have it open
16:58<darkeagle>xeon-enouf: jeps... my typo... :P
16:58<xeon-enouf>just trying to help
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16:58*xeon-enouf braiunfarts often
16:58<darkeagle>this part from guide: nameserver
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16:59<darkeagle>xeon-enouf: :)
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16:59<edbian>darkeagle: I think you're getting config files confused. The guide says to put that in "/etc/resolv.conf" which I already did.
17:00<darkeagle>edbian: I know. but resolvconf package generates /etc/resolv.conf file automaticalle ;)
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17:00<edbian>darkeagle: I edited the /etc/dhclient.conf file becuase I thought that was the config file that controls what is written into resolv.conf
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17:01<edbian>darkeagle: The head file says that I shouldn't edit it because my changes will be overridden. Besides that warning it is blank.
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17:02<edbian>darkeagle: Do resolvconf and dhclient conflict with one another?
17:03<darkeagle>edbian: thast interesting guestion :)
17:03<darkeagle>edbian: anycase that "head" file is placed in start of /etc/resolv.conf and that warning is for that file.
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17:03<edbian>darkeagle: OIC!
17:03<edbian>darkeagle: I'm going to have to research
17:04<darkeagle>edbian: actualle good place can be ..../base also
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17:05<darkeagle>edbian: from man resolvconf: /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base -> "File containing basic resolver information. The lines in this file are included in the resolver configuration file ..."
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17:05<edbian>darkeagle: I appreciate your help but I'm not having any issues getting /etc/resolv.conf to show up the way I want. I simply edited the "prepend" line in /etc/dhclient.conf and it works fine. Doesn't seem like it should matter to me so long as "" is the first line. Does dnsmasq need to be configured besides editing that one line?
17:06<darkeagle>edbian: well that was first thing that came in mind.
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17:06<Griktar>How can I make my desktop where it will allow me to execute code from it?
17:06<Griktar>( c code)
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17:07<darkeagle>Griktar: in terminal, in parh ~/Desktop ? or from icon at desktop?
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17:07<edbian>darkeagle: I phrased that poorly. The only line I edited for dnsmasq was "listen-address" in /etc/dnsmasq.conf
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17:08<edbian>Griktar: Most likely you have to make the file executable. Did you already compile the code?
17:08<Griktar>I might be doing this backwards, I did compile it yes, but the thing is, its on my usr desktop, i went into terminal, its the starter hello world program...
17:08<Griktar>it acts like it cant find it
17:08<Griktar>but, if i move it to /root
17:08<Griktar>and sudo run it, it runs
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17:09<edbian>Griktar: You have to change the file permissions on the file. Without getting into a long drawn-out explanation of linux file permissions I'm pretty sure you can just run 1 command
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17:09<Griktar>Did I lose ya :-)
17:09<edbian>"sudo chown <yourUsername> <thefile>"
17:10<edbian>without those brackets of course
17:10<darkeagle>edbian: I would beleave dnsmasq server would wotk when /etc/resolv.conf gets generated correctly and it's bind to localhost.
17:10<darkeagle>edbian: remembered to restart it?
17:10<Griktar>well, I created it as my username, and im on that current user
17:10<edbian>darkeagle: I've been restarting
17:10<darkeagle>edbian: I beleaved also so :)
17:10<edbian>Griktar: show us the output of ls -l while in the directory of the file
17:10<darkeagle>edbian: How you know "it wond work?"
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17:11<edbian>darkeagle: "dig" is taking >20ms
17:11<Griktar>-rwxr-xr-x 1 jessie jessie 9171 2009-10-03 15:39 tango
17:11<edbian>Griktar: I was wrong! The file permissions are fine
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17:11<darkeagle>Griktar: your home very probable has "noexec" mount option.
17:12<edbian>darkeagle: Good thought!
17:12<darkeagle>cos I use it for storage partitions
17:12<darkeagle>not for homw tohugh..
17:12<Griktar>Thats what I was getting at, I skimmed over that in a linux for dummies book but I forgot where it was
17:12<Griktar>Dark how can I fix that :-)
17:12<edbian>Griktar: According to those file permissions the file is executable by the owner of the file (you) anyone in the group (jessie) and everybody on the system lol
17:12<darkeagle>Griktar: look at your /etc/fstab
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17:12<edbian>Griktar: sudo nano /etc/fstab
17:13<locklace>!start an editor war
17:13<dpkg>"cat >" is known to cause ulcers
17:13<darkeagle>edbian: does dnsmasq generate access log?
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17:13<darkeagle>"editor war" :P
17:14<Griktar>/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0
17:14<Griktar>Lost darkeagle.. :-(
17:14<sdhoeppner>hdparm -t /dev/hda hda is an old (5 years or so) 5400 rpm 40GB seagate, mode is UDMA2. What kind of transfer rate do you think I should be getting?
17:15<edbian>darkeagle: I'm not finding a log file. I'll try to turn logging on and see what I can get.
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17:15<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: something that I would use to shoot waterbird...
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17:15<darkeagle>edbian: thats good.
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17:15<darkeagle>Griktar: there is probable /home .... is there?
17:16<Griktar>Sorry, ill ask better sense you are multi tasking lol.... I can run it as root from terminal, but not in the directory as a regular user, even though I have permission, why?
17:16*sdhoeppner scratches his head
17:16<Nobun>Sorry for asking a thing that is totally out of your discussion... but may I ask some basics things about building .deb packeges (in particular I'd like to try to create a .deb for a my own application)
17:16<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: hard drives are cheap, go and by new.
17:17<darkeagle>Griktar: so in ~/Desktop : "./your_binary" fails and "sudo ./your_binary" works?
17:17<darkeagle>Nobun: just ask.
17:18<Nobun>it is a long thing so why I asked to ask
17:18<Griktar>the way I got it to work was I gksudo nautilus the file down to /root
17:18<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: if they're that cheap, ship me one. Here's my address...
17:18<Griktar>and then sudo -i terminal ran it
17:18<Griktar>and it worked
17:18<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: :P
17:18<Griktar>if I jsut attempt to get into the directory on my desktop that its in as "jessie" it doesnt run
17:19<darkeagle>Griktar: can you run it as sudo on your users home?
17:19<Nobun>1) binary package. I didn't understand if a binary package of an applycation must contains also a copy of source or not (the guide is a lot confusing at this point)
17:19<Griktar>bash: tango: command not found
17:19<sdhoeppner>darkaeagle: now, take a stab at answering my question. Ball park will do. Or, just post your boot drive specs and hdparm -t output so I can compare
17:19<darkeagle>Nobun: you have makefile?
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17:19<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: plz
17:19<Griktar>thats jessie u/n
17:20<edbian>Griktar: To run it you have to ./tango
17:20<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: you have ide drive?
17:20<edbian>Griktar: not just "tango" for that to work but the binary file in /usr/local/bin
17:20<Nobun>ehm it is hard to expain. my application is composed by 2 binaries
17:20<jrabbit>Nobun: read some of the maintainer articles and documentation there are numerous tools for helping build and maintain a .deb iirc
17:20<Nobun>the first one has a Makefile becouse is builded with Allegro library
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17:21<Griktar>what does the command prefix ./ do then if ya dont mind? i missed that in my reading
17:21<Nobun>I read them
17:21<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: yeah, I posted the specs in my question
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17:21<darkeagle>Griktar: tells to use current directory
17:21<Nobun>but I am asking here points that appears totally unclear for me
17:21<Griktar>pft I thought being IN the current directory was the same
17:21<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: well I have only sata drives nowadays :(
17:21<Griktar>ok, well the ./ prefix works
17:21<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: it's an old POS but I'm trying to figure out if I've got the mode set for best performance
17:21<Griktar>now, isn't there a way to make just typing "tango" work as well via bash?
17:22<darkeagle>Griktar: is, but you dont want it ;)
17:22<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: just run hdparm -t and post the results. and what drive model and RPM it is
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17:22<Griktar>Im aware its naughty but I like to learn
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17:22<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: hdparm -I then hdparm -t
17:22<Griktar>educate me :-)
17:23<Griktar>Hey I still have my root acct disabled cut me some slack :-)
17:23<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: just post the make and model# of the drive, I'll look up the RPM. And post the MB/s from hdparm -t
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17:24<darkeagle>Griktar: you can set your PATH to PATH=$PATH:. in .bashrc for example
17:24<darkeagle>Griktar: or you can learn to add ./ infront of executables not in path
17:25<Griktar>Im an engineer, why not learn both ways :-)
17:25<Griktar>Thanks though, You have fixed my problems, thanks bunches!
17:26<darkeagle>Nobun: if you make .deb, it deasn't need source. is just content to be unpacked to system and some meta information, insttallation scripts and so on...
17:27<darkeagle>Nobun: so it is possible to have .deb to contain just your two binary files.
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17:28<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: ST3250410AS - Timing buffered disk reads: 260 MB in 3.03 seconds = 85.70 MB/sec
17:28<Nobun>ok. I asked becouse the tutorial in assumed you wanted to create a .deb from a source of a third program, so it is totally unclear for me about how to create a correct .deb containing binaries
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17:29<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: SAMSUNG HD252HJ - Timing buffered disk reads: 292 MB in 3.00 seconds = 97.23 MB/sec
17:29<Nobun>2) question. How to trace correctly dependencies (libraries) to install
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17:29<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: SAMSUNG HD252HJ - Timing buffered disk reads: 342 MB in 3.00 seconds = 113.88 MB/sec
17:29<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: more info?
17:30<darkeagle>Nobun: there I can't help :(
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17:31<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: no, that's good. thanks
17:31<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: sorry to be unpleasend about your drives.
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17:32<Nobun>eh.... the main problem is that binary will not use only the library you explicitly use but also the library into your own system, so to make a good .deb you have also to consider the dependecies of all libraries your binary use, I think, not only the required ones to build from sources
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17:32<Nobun>(sources are however actually available as a normal .tar.gz file)
17:32<darkeagle>Nobun: I think I crossed some howto discribing some helper program to find those links. No idea what, but there is some ;)
17:32<Griktar>dark, I did a /cat .bashrc and it spoke of aliases, would that be something I could do if I wanted to?
17:33<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: nah that's cool. I need to replace it but can't for now. It's not a $$ thing. This isn't my workstation I'm talking about, it's an old production server, which I can't take down to upgrade the drive at this time.
17:33<Nobun>yes... I know you can use ldd, but some people suggest to use an other command instead (becouse ldd also shows libraries that are not really true dependencies)
17:33<darkeagle>Griktar: you want to add "export PATH=$PATH:." in some part of it. .bash_profle is ok also (and every other login file...)
17:34<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: ouh. well. then its really well working server :)
17:35<Nobun>However thank a lot for your effort, darkeagle :)
17:35<darkeagle>Nobun: nothing...
17:35<Griktar>I tried cat .bash_profile/profle, not there.
17:35<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: yep. Been running for 4+ years pretty much constant. It's a mail firewall/gateway
17:35<darkeagle>Griktar: well .bashrc then
17:36<darkeagle>Griktar: if you ever cross .bash_profile you find out that it includes .bashrc
17:36<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: nice ;)
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17:37<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: my irc/mail/fileserver gets down ~once in a month, mainly for hardware problems or others. luckily it's not critical :)
17:37<darkeagle>should maybe create dedicated irc/mail server :S
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17:38<gandalph>hallo guten abend zusammen
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17:39<gandalph>habe derzeit ein kleines problem mit xfce unter lenny
17:39<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: this one's had uptimes of over 400 days. Only reboots were for kernel upgrades.
17:40<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: have to say thats nice ;)
17:40<gandalph>hi all!
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17:40<darkeagle>gandalph: btw. english works better here. there were also german channel some where.
17:41<gandalph>i have a small problem with xfce under lenny
17:41<darkeagle>gandalph: please tell and someone may help
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17:42<darkeagle>gandalph: and sorry if it werent german what you sope earlier, my languages are limited to english (and finnish) ;)
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17:42<gandalph>ok, i cant mount external drives as user or root
17:42<gandalph>what i must do?
17:42<darkeagle>gandalph: but "mount /dev/drive /mnt/ext" works as root?
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17:43<darkeagle>in terminal
17:43<gandalph>wait a minute, please. i try it.
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17:44<darkeagle>gandalph: well, i beleave it will, or then your problem can be found from "dmesg"
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17:45<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: built the machine myself from odball parts: Abit BP6 dual Celeron mobo (only dual celery board ever manufactured, hacked i440BX chipset), two 366Mhz Mendocino Celerons clocked at 500, a 40GB Seagate IDE drive and an Intel Pro/100 NIC. That's it. All drivers built into the kernel, every bit of unneeded junk strip from the kernel config. Kernel image is only 1.1MB. (what the...
17:45<sdhoeppner>...size of you vmlinuz file? ;) ) I Postfix instead of exim, and tweaked like crazy for anti-spam.
17:45<darkeagle>gandalph: if it will then try adding your user to disk and plugdev groups. not sure whit is the correct one, but start with "disk"
17:46<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: LOL... that sounds really nice :)
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17:47<darkeagle>gandalph: adding user you can do: "add your_user disk"
17:47<darkeagle>and after that you have to login again
17:47<gandalph>darkeagle: fdisk -l and dmesg has found my drive
17:48<darkeagle>gandalph: but can you even mount it?
17:48<gandalph>ok, i must add an userprivileg for mounting drives?
17:49<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: nah, it's a piece of junk, but I've tweaked it to run like it stole a Rolex from a jeweler shop next to a police station. ;)
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17:49<gandalph>darkeagle: sorry, i cant mount them
17:49<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: welll... If I have dualcore 2.8GHz board... its junk, but atleast linux is tweaked as fast as possible :)
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17:50<darkeagle>gandalph: does dmesg tell you some info?
17:50<darkeagle>gandalph: and yes. user needs privileges to mount drives.
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17:50<darkeagle>gandalph: ls -l /dev/sd* will tell what group
17:51<darkeagle>gandalph: od ls -l /dev/hd* , with ide drives
17:51<gandalph>yes, for example: [sdb] Attached SCSI-Disk, or fdisk -l: /dev/sdb1....
17:51<gandalph>my external drive is sdb1
17:51<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: well. have to "raise hat" for your configurations anycase ;)
17:51<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: what's the size of your /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.x file?
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17:52<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: heh, thanks man.
17:52<darkeagle>1,9M actually...
17:52<darkeagle>default debian vserver-amd64
17:53<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: it's only got 3 x 64MB DIMMs for 192MB RAM. That's _tiny_ right? By today's standardss? It runs with 100MB free. ;)
17:53<darkeagle>gandalph: the group was the interesting part and the error in dmesg.
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17:53<gandalph>darkeagle: vmlinuz-2.26-2-amd, 1,7 mb
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17:54<darkeagle>gandalph: ls -l /dev/sdb1
17:54<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: 1.9 ain't too bad, but it's double the size of my kernel file heheh. However, you probably have need for USB/hotplug, X11 drivers, stuff like that which adds quite a bit to kernel.
17:54<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: well... small homeserver: 3.4G ram, nyt desktop: 8g ;)
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17:55<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: x11 is not needed, but removing takes more effort :P
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17:55<gandalph>darkeagle: brw-rw----1 root floppy 8, 17 4.Oct 01:49 /dev/sdb1
17:55<sdhoeppner>Time to put y'all to shame with my l337 custom sleek kernel: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.1M Oct 3 10:44 vmlinuz-
17:55<sdhoeppner>just installed it today, lol.
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17:56<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: :)
17:56<darkeagle>gandalph: interesting that its in group floppy...
17:56<sdhoeppner>I've got the latest stable kernel packed/trimmed to 1.1 MB l-o-fark'n-l
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17:57<gandalph>darkeagle: this is a hdd with 500 gb
17:57<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: that's his flexible disk ;)
17:57<darkeagle>gandalph: when you run "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/disk" (and /mnt/disk exists), what it says?
17:58<gandalph>mount point /mnt/ext does not exist
17:58<saju>what is the main use of /dev/null
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17:59<darkeagle>saju: to hear your moans about everything... (no I can't say what is "main")
17:59<darkeagle>gandalph: "mkdir /mnt/disk"
18:00<darkeagle>gandalph: "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/disk"
18:00<darkeagle>gandalph: and what it says then?
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18:00<darkeagle>saju: if you didn'y know, its nice for example to: "smbtree 2>/dev/null" (eat errors)
18:01<darkeagle>saju: so, should I say "Eat all that is not supposed to go anywhere"
18:01<darkeagle>hole that doesn't fill
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18:02<saju>/dev/null and /dev/zero are same?
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18:04<@weasel>they are quite different
18:04<saju>weasel: what
18:04<sdhoeppner>mother fuc-- Just figured out why the damn drive was so slow. Fellas, man hdparn and look at option -c For some reason, the kernel was defaulting mine to mode 0, or 32 bit PCI transfers disabled. WTF! I enabled this with value 3 (sunc option) and and my transfer rate jumped from 4MB/s to 7.66MB/s. I nearly doubled.
18:05<saju>when we use /dev/null and /dev/zero
18:05<saju>what are the situations
18:06<@weasel>we use dev/null for output if we want to throw it away
18:06<@weasel>we use dev/null for input when we want no input
18:06<@weasel>we use dev/zero for input when we infinite zeroes for input.
18:06<@weasel>read the fine wiki page
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18:07<icebrain>is there any way to check the available updates that doesn't require root?
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18:08<@weasel>only if apt-get update was recently run by root
18:08<Hideo>/dev/null is a blackhole, /dev/zero is an infinite reservoir of zeroes =P
18:08<themill>icebrain: or if you're running stable, subscribe to debian-security-announce
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18:09<Hideo>so "cat /dev/zero >> /dev/null" == divide by zero =D
18:10<icebrain>themill: I'm not, and this is supposed to be run by a program. I know I can run a 'dry' update, can't I use it in any way?
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18:10<themill>icebrain: you may also be interested in cron-apt. /msg dpkg cron-apt
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18:11<saju>hideo: i can't get it
18:11<Hideo>saju: what can't you get?
18:12<icebrain>themill: yeah, that could work, but I don't like to auto-update, I mess with sources.list a lot :)
18:12<saju>Hideo:"cat /dev/zero >> /dev/null" == divide by zero =D
18:12<icebrain>does update-notifier require root? How does it notify you, if it can't check the available updates?
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18:13<Hideo>saju: it's a joke, it literally means taking an infinity and dump it into a bottomless pit is the same as undefined
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18:14<saju>please explain a situation , /dev/zero or /dev/null required
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18:15<Hideo>saju: I'm not sure how to explain it better than what weasel already had said above
18:15<themill>icebrain: it doesn't auto-install the updates though. But to do what you want, you'll need to do some pretty serious monkeying with apt's config. Perhaps;a=blob;f=supybot/plugins/Piccy/refreshdata;h=8b648694019ee80dbb259135e8b6f450c4050bfc;hb=HEAD will be of inspiration on that front, but it's a pretty ugly way of going it.
18:16<themill>eep... EURLTOOLONG!
18:17<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: good that you find it out :)
18:17<icebrain>themill: thanks
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18:19<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: do 'hdparm -c /dev/sda' (or hda, or whatever your drive device name is) and post the output please
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18:21<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: IO_support = 0 (default)
18:21<darkeagle>but it can be because it's not ide
18:23<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: omg. That setting isn't for the drive. Its for the interface between the drive chipset (southbridge/ide/sata) and the PCI bus. Run hdparm -t /dev/hda again and post the output. It was like 87MB/s for the first drive you tested and posted way up above in the tread.
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18:24<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: after enabling mode 3?
18:24<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: after you run that, write down the MB/s number. Then, run "hdparm -c3 /dev/hda". It should set mode
18:25<sdhoeppner>yes, run it once to get the current performance. Then do "hdparm -c3 /dev/hda". It should say it's now set to mode 3. After it's in mode 3, run 'hdparm -t /dev/hda'. There should be a bit of a difference. ;)
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18:27<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: id doesn't support anything else :P
18:27<darkeagle>"HDIO_SET_32BIT failed: Invalid argument"
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18:28<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: *it
18:28<peej>saju, is that your homework?
18:29<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: ahh, that's right. Forgot. Your system will be using libata, and that argument isn't available in libata. My bad.
18:30<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: btw. my friend with gentoo. initrd in vmlinuz has filesize of 2.8M ;)
18:30<xeon-enouf>14:30:15 < xeon-enouf> themill: you are not "another"
18:30<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: nothing..
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18:30<xeon-enouf>,14:31:28 < xeon-enouf> which is broken
18:31<xeon-enouf>but i can't explain because you had to butt in
18:31<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: initrd is the ramdisk that you can use to boot the kernel from. I'm not familiar with what it's file size should/would be.
18:31<darkeagle>mine ~8M
18:32<themill>xeon-enouf: rather than you try to justify swearing and abusing people in public, do you want to take this to a pm?
18:32<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: I don't use an initrd enabled kernel.
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18:32<xeon-enouf>14:33:31 < themill> CutMeOwnThroat: no, he just forgot what it was. <---wrong!!!
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18:32<peej>eh? I thought all the debian kernels used initrd?
18:33-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
18:33<themill>xeon-enouf: don't take things from one channel to another like this. Really. You've been around long enough to know not to do that.
18:33<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: yours is so darn big because you use a stock debian kernel package, which included a _ton_ of device drivers in the initrd file. Many of those don't actually get loaded because you don't have all that hardware.
18:35<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: jep.
18:35<darkeagle>should spend some time tuning kernel
18:36<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: what kernel are you on, and what version of Deiban? Lenny with 2.6.26?
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18:39<darkeagle>lenny 2.6,26-vserver-amd64 @ server, 2.6.30-amd64 @ desktop
18:39<darkeagle>(server == homeserver with big storage/irc and some mails)
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18:46<sdhoeppner>darkeagle: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.26
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18:48<sdhoeppner>read, read, all docs you can find on compiling a custom kernel. It may take you a while to figure out what features you need and which you don't. Then again, doing your own kernel may not be the thing for you. You really really need to know a lot about hardware and operating system kernels if you're going to build your own. Or, just experiment, but keep a good bootable kernel image and...
18:48<sdhoeppner>...proper grub/lilo entries so you can boot a working system when you build fuxed kernel images that don't boot or don't work.
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18:51<darkeagle>sdhoeppner: jep. have to read. read. and read. but if my friend can do it it with gentoo and he still ask lot of help in many things from me, then I should manage to build custom kernel.
18:51<darkeagle>anycase I would like to experiment system where system (2-6G of it) would be preloaded to ram (ramdisk or somthing)
18:52<darkeagle>cos there is 4 to 6gigs free ram to be used ;)
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18:55<adb>darkeagle, see debirf on pdo
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18:57<darkeagle>adb: can that write loaded system from ram back to disk?
18:58<adb>i dunno , but it run all in ram , not any disk needed
18:59<darkeagle>that much I got out... have to look more.
18:59<darkeagle>adb: thanks for info anycase :)
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19:01<sdhoeppner>peej: the recent pre-built kernels probably all use initrd. However, this machine of mine goes all the way back to a Potato net install. Back then the "compact" installs didn't use initrd kernels. Since then, I've always compiled my own kernels and choose not to use initrd.
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19:08<eljefe>How can I use an image on this page to boot from a floppy drive? I need something, if possible, with a decent kernel which can recognize my little Linksys USB100M usb<-->network adapter
19:08<eljefe>well, usb<-->rj45
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19:10<@weasel>I wonder if d-i can be booted from floppy at all
19:10<@weasel>usually people install from CD, from the net, or from USB.
19:11<streuner>!rube goldberg install
19:11<dpkg>"Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader."
19:11-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
19:11<azeem>that's helpful
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19:11<eljefe>weasel and others, i think the Lenny image that I want is from here: The link on the Lenny page says it has floppy images, but I don't know how to use them
19:11<eljefe>nor which to dd to a floppy
19:12<streuner>usually two
19:12<dpkg>[bf] Boot floppies are Debian Installer images written to floppy disks, then used to install a Debian system. Not available for Lenny, ask me about <errata>. For Etch, ask me about <etch floppies>.
19:12<streuner>basically you need the kernel :-)
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19:12<eljefe>even etch may work, i can dist-upgrade ones its on there
19:13<Marillion>change your source.list
19:13<streuner>what kind of box is that at all, i386? :-P
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19:13<eljefe>looks like I'd need five floppies, but that is doable. after a few days of digging at least...
19:13<eljefe>thanks all.
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19:14<weasel>I don't see any floppy images at the location you linked to
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19:14<eljefe>dpkg above said to ask about etch floppies, and then pointed me at
19:14<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, eljefe
19:14<darkeagle>adb: not going to test debirf for some time... well, not untill this is ok
19:15<eljefe>well, dpkg above said to ask about etch floppies, and then pointed me at
19:15<streuner>!sarge floppies
19:15<dpkg>somebody said sarge floppies was -- substitute your arch for "i386".
19:15<weasel>looks like there were etch floppies indeed
19:16<streuner>hm, the URL changed for floppies...
19:16<eljefe>i have three floppies at my disposal right now, but i can try to grab a few at work maybe on monday and try it then
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19:17<weasel>eljefe: what kind of computer do you have?
19:17<weasel>wouldn't it be easier to install from USB, or hook up a cd drive to it?
19:17<eljefe>it would be so much easier :)
19:18<eljefe>its an old P2 Sony Viao and has a USB-floppy but it won't boot from the USB-cdrom that I have
19:18<eljefe>I tried the thing and but those floppies wouldn't recognize my usb adapter
19:19<eljefe>just, an old laptop that I am playing with, nothing more than that. I'd love to get audio and X working to stream music to upstairs
19:19<adb>darkeagle, huh ?
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19:19<jpinx-eeepc>eljefe: you might be able to find th efloppy images for installing
19:20<eljefe>jpinx-eeepc: i think that I have, for etch; from there I'll upgrade
19:20<jpinx-eeepc>perfect ;)
19:20<witte>eljefe: can't you get the hard disk out, install it in another pc/laptop, and put it back
19:20<eljefe>i just need to find the physical floppy disks!
19:20<jpinx-eeepc>eljefe: though you might find etch is sufficient if it is not a security problem
19:21<eljefe>I tried that, but couldn't get the thing apart! witte the ram is uner the keybd but the drive seems to be under the mousepad area, and it wasn't too obvious how to take it apart more
19:21<eljefe>jpinx-eeepc great point
19:21<eljefe>sshfs / fuse would be nice to have tho
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19:21<jpinx-eeepc>eljefe: fairy snuff ;)
19:22<jpinx-eeepc>though you might want to check etch-backports.....
19:22<eljefe>jpinx-eeepc: might you have the eeepc repos for debian handy?
19:22<eljefe>i am installing a debian testing setup on an eeepc900 right now
19:23<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on To install Debian, see for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: #debian-eeepc on
19:23<jpinx-eeepc>eljefe: /join #debian-eeepc and check the /topic ;)
19:23<eljefe>nice thanks
19:24<eljefe>i just see the link to the wiki but that'll have it i bet
19:25<jpinx-eeepc>yep - that wiki has lots of good stuff
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19:43<edbian>I've installed dnsmasq. I added to my resolv.conf and I uncommented the "listen-address" line but I can't seem to get my dig times to decrease. Help anyone?
19:43<edbian>That is: the "listen-address" line from the dnsmasq.conf file
19:44<edbian>Also: If i have dnsmasq installed and it is working properly should I be able to "dig @localhost" ??
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20:02<edbian>peej: Thanks for your help! :) Output of command: timed out... No servers could be reached
20:02<edbian>peej: If you want the whole output I can give it but I think that gets the point across
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20:02<peej>ping localhost gives you what?
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20:03<edbian>peej: ping localhost returns: .....
20:04<edbian>peej: I long time of nothing. 100% packet loss (that's night right)
20:04<edbian>It did resolve correctly
20:04<edbian> /s/I/A
20:05<edbian> /s/night/right
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20:06<peej>your localhost is unreachable and therefore undiggable. what do you get with: /sbin/ifconfig lo | head -n2
20:07<edbian>peej: I will give that output in a minute. I have added to the first nameserver in my resolv.conf file file fyi
20:08<edbian>lo Link encap:Local Loopback
20:08<edbian> inet addr: Mask:
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20:10<peej>should be pingable - is it?
20:10<edbian>It is not. 100% packet loss (15 packets
20:10<edbian>I have dnsmasq running on and I have in my resolv.conf as my first nameserver
20:11<edbian>does that matter?
20:12<peej>dunno. I am not familiar with dnsmasq. I've played with pdnsd which does the same thing I think. I suspect your config is correct.
20:12<edbian>peej: They can do the same thing
20:13<edbian>peej: They are slightly different though
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20:15<peej>grep localhost /etc/hosts ?
20:15<edbian> localhost
20:15<edbian>It's correct
20:15<edbian>I just checked it
20:15<edbian> ##My Host Name###
20:16<peej>were you able to ping it before dnsmasq was installed?
20:17<edbian>peej: I don't typically sit around and ping localhost but I believe I could yes
20:17<edbian>Let me do a couple tests
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20:18<peej>thing is, if localhost is there it should be pingable - any firewalling? Check your default route setup too I guess. I'm off.
20:19<peej>oh, yeah, and don't let network-manager and networkmanager despatch spank you on the ass - they may interfere with manual settings you do
20:20<edbian>peej: My iptables is totally empty
20:20<edbian>I just tried removing the dnsmasq package and the nameserver line and I STILL can't ping localhost
20:21<edbian>I have a new problem lol
20:21<edbian>I am not using network manager
20:21<edbian>All manual
20:21<Hideo>ifconfig lo up ?
20:22<edbian>Hideo: That did it!
20:22<edbian>Hideo: Should I put that in my /etc/network/interfaces?
20:22<edbian>auto lo
20:22<Hideo>edbian: it should have been there already if it wasn't
20:23<edbian>It is in there!
20:23<edbian>Then "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" should bring up lo yes?
20:24<Hideo>but also may restart your current connection
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20:24<edbian>it does
20:24<edbian>but why was lo ever down?
20:25<Hideo>dunno, sometimes it goes offline when I'm mucking about, which seems to be what you were doing =P
20:25<edbian>I was def. mucking
20:25<edbian>but I have GREAT new!
20:25<edbian>I ran that command it is pingable now
20:26<edbian>and i reinstalled dnsmasq and that's cacheing dns for me too now!
20:26<Hideo>hehe, congrats
20:26<edbian>Which was my original problem!
20:26<edbian>I'll watch what I much around with closer in the future :)
20:26<Hideo>you'll learn as you break your system
20:27<Hideo>just as I did =D
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20:29<edbian>Hideo: Thank you!
20:29<edbian>peej: Thank you as well!
20:29<Hideo>not a prob, =D
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20:39<brunner>what's a good curses partition editor?
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20:42<flypiper>Started lenny upgrade from a cable modem... time to download shows 4 hrs... I really need EVERYTHING
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20:47<ret><flypiper> Started lenny upgrade from a cable modem... time to download shows 4 hrs... I really need EVERYTHING
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20:52<ret>W: GPG error: lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 905C75258D4B24D2
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20:54<ret>is there a debian updater thing for XFCE like gnome has?
20:55<dondelelcaro>ret: you can just use the gnome one if you want
20:55<ret>It never works right, unless there's no updates
20:55<ret>in which case, :D good job debian
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21:09<cotaky>demande de conseils aux utilisateurs de debian etch
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21:27<brunner>if I have a box that has a public IP address that needs to (temporarily) talk to a box that only has a private IP address, can I just change the subnet mask to to allow it to talk to both
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21:31<Nameeater>hi, I've recently setup ipv6 on my gateway debian machine, so I have set ipv6 forwarding in sysctl.conf, but when ever the machine is rebooted it doesn't reload the sysctl.conf settings, I have /etc/init.d/procps, and a symlink in /etc/rcS.d/S30procps pointing to /etc/init.d/procps, but I have to run /etc/init.d/procps start manually after rebooting, any ideas how I can track down why it isn't being run on boot?
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21:37<xlotlu>Nameeater: maybe it is being run on boot, but something else overwrites that? or somehow the ipv6 module manages to get loaded later?
21:38<xemacs4321>Nameeater, did you add startup link from runlevel to /etc/init.d/statup-script
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21:42<Nameeater>xemacs4321: its already in /etc/rcS.d/, when I tried to add a start up link with update.rc-d, it said I already had one
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21:42<xemacs4321>when you run it by hand does it work ?
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21:43<Nameeater>xlotlu: I could change it from S30 to say S99, and if its being overwritten it should then work right?
21:43<Nameeater>unless something is being run after S99
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21:45<xemacs4321>Nameeater, you could delete and readd , maybe its not setup correctly
21:45<xlotlu>Nameeater: try that, but 30 seems rather high in the first place
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21:48<xemacs4321>brunner, read up on networking and routing
21:48<brunner>xemacs4321: thanks. that helps a lot.
21:48<xemacs4321>brunner, the debian admin books is good place to start
21:49<brunner>is it more than 1,000 pages?
21:49<brunner>if not, I'll read them
21:49<xemacs4321>brunner, i never counted, probably less then 100
21:49<brunner>cool, thanks
21:50<xemacs4321>brunner, you could probably skip alot if you just want networking to change
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21:51<xemacs4321>brunner, look for rouring/gateway
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21:53<xemacs4321>Nameeater, you had to start it by hand because the scripts only run when you change runlevel, e.g. reboot machine, so if / when you reboot it should just work
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21:57<Nameeater>xemacs4321: I've rebooted a couple of times, hasn't picked up, radvd won't start till ipv6 forwarding is enabled
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22:13<edbian>Why is ekiga softphone a dependency of gnome-desktop?
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22:21<R00T>hola a todos quisiera que me ayudaran
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22:21<R00T>estoy algo complicada con debian
22:21<R00T>ayuda pliz
22:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:23<leper>hello anyone can helpme with my webcam, i'm on debian squeeze and it doesn't recognize my cam anymore, i have a compaq 515 laptop
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22:25<dpkg>For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <quickcam>, <m560x-driver>. For device usage suggestions, see or "mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0".
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22:28<leper>thank you adb, hello btw
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22:30<leper>adb can you help me to know wich component is the webcam on my lspci please?
22:31<adb>pastebin lspci
22:31<leper>ok wait me please
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22:35<adb>leper, i can't see none , sorry
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22:36<leper>before it worked fine
22:36<adb>in lenny ?
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22:38<leper>lenny recognize all components exept video and wifi
22:39<leper>and in squeeze i lost presure on the mousepad, and the webcam, microphone too i think
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22:41<adb>leper, well moving to squeeze was not a good things , staying on lenny and adding lenny-backports (aka kernel 2.6.30 ) will be a better move..
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22:42<leper>i didn't knew it
22:42<adb>have to ask first ..
22:42<leper>but next week i will format my notebook for last on thise year,
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22:42<leper>can you help me to do that ?
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22:43<leper>next week?
22:43<adb>never say last , sure
22:43<adb>leper, but read some docs may help too
22:43<leper>lol ok, thank you mate
22:44<leper>i don't have time on te week i have exams on the week
22:44<adb>good luck for exams , too
22:46<leper>thank you=)
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22:56<bja>Before you flame me, i need to research a little on rpm from redhat, can someone point me in the right direction?
22:56<bja>I've been running around in circles for quite some time
22:58<arw>exists some software to emulate serial port? or a how-to?
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23:04<adb>why emulate ?
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23:05<bja>adb: new hw happens to lack rs232
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23:06<arw>adb: to void spend mony in a senser mean while finish the system
23:07<arw>other reason.. bja's reason
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23:11<adb>as in connect a sensor to serial port ?
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23:12<arw>adb: digitemp?
23:12<adb>: read temperature sensors in a 1-Wire net
23:13<arw>no, is a ir sensor
23:13<arw>infra red
23:14<adb>a com1 ir sensor ?
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23:15<adb>heh a "1-Wire" one ?
23:16<adb>2-Wires ?
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23:25<arw>i think tha i found one
23:25<arw>for debian and so..
23:26<arw>for who wants to know
23:26<arw>adb: socat
23:26<arw>debian has
23:27<arw>i am going to try it
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23:32<sney>updating at 1MB/s yessss
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23:38<adb>arw, heh > lirc 'Linux Infra-red Remote Control'
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23:39<arw>adb: let me check it
23:40<arw>thank you :)
23:41<arw>adb: than you very much
23:41<adb>irda-utils IrDA management and handling utilities
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23:42<arw>ahhh.. cool ;)
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23:53<leper>adb, could this be the webcam device? Bus 007 Device 002: ID 04f2:b159 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
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23:54<adb>yes , is seen in lsusb ?
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23:55<leper>how can i make it work now?
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23:57<chealer>leper: your webcam? how is it not working?
23:57<leper>no working
23:57<leper>it starts one second and then fall down
23:57<leper>show just nothing
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23:58<adb>judd, pciid 04f2:b159
23:58<judd>adb: [04f2:b159] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
23:58<adb>judd, usbid 04f2:b159
23:58<judd>adb: Error: "usbid" is not a valid command.
23:58<blueldr137>could someone please help me "$ make" my madwifi drivers?
23:58<gsimmons>leper: While not related to your webcam, if you could pastebin the output from 'lspci -n' somewhere, this would be appreciated.
23:59<leper>i will paste lspci and lsusb for see it
23:59<adb>gsimmons, is here
23:59<blueldr137>what Kernelpath should i use?
23:59<adb>from leper ^^
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