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00:00<gsimmons>adb: That doesn't display the PCI vendor and device codes.
00:01<leper>gsimmons, lspci -n or lspci -nn
00:01<gsimmons>leper: '-n', as originally requested.
00:03<leper>there is lspci -n and next lsusb
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00:08<Luhz>Hello, I'm having trouble compiling the ATI video driver; I'm getting the error "dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library" - does anyone know how to solve this?
00:08<Luhz>I have the library in /usr/lib/ and created a sym link in /lib/ as well
00:10<leper>wich ATI do you have?
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00:12<blueldr137>nevermind I think I figured it out :P
00:13<chealer>leper: when doing what?
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00:13<chealer>Luhz: when doing what?
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00:13<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI ( For chipsets prior to R600 (i.e. models up to and including the X1950), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (recent chipsets, usually better 3D performance/features). See also <radeonhd>. #radeon on freenode.
00:14<leper>chealer, it doesn't work again i think i lost the driver when i updated to squeeze
00:14<adb>oops , sorry
00:15<Luhz>I was doing --buildpkg Debian/lenny
00:15<leper>Luhz, don't know how to do it, i have a radeonhd
00:15<Luhz>installing which I thought would allow me to get direct rendering working
00:15<adb>Luhz, not supported
00:16<Luhz>oh, really?
00:16<adb>Luhz, read !!radeon message
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00:17<adb>Luhz, just read above ..
00:18<Luhz>oh, that
00:18<Luhz>well, thanks
00:22<chealer>!tell leper about doesn't work
00:23<leper>i hate this notebook don't want to work fine with Debian
00:23<adb>leper, uname -r , says ?
00:23<leper>thank you chealer lol
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00:24<leper>adb 2.6.26-2-amd64
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00:24<adb>leper, install .30
00:25<leper>i don't know how to make it work fine
00:25<leper>i have it
00:25<gsimmons>leper: We've previously assisted you regarding the BCM4312 low-power wireless LAN device. Either use the non-free vendor driver (/msg dpkg wl) or NDISwrapper.
00:25<leper>but doesn't work fine
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00:27<leper>that is what gsimmons i used 'cuz appears on dpkg
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00:35<`Richard`>Hey could anyone help me with getting mIRC on a debian? ive never used lunix before :x
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00:37<adb>aptitude install xchat
00:37<leper>hello `Richard`
00:37<adb>lunix ? ..
00:38<`Richard`>what wine should i get so i can run mIRC?
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00:40<dpkg>from memory, mirc is, or sucks festering dog balls
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00:41<dpkg>rumour has it, mirc is, or sucks festering dog balls
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00:42<chealer>`Richard`: the wine doesn't matter, quantity does
00:42<EpicDewd>What would I have to do to get my php to send mail with mail();
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00:45<leper>hello villaroel
00:45<Villarroel>Hi leper .
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00:49<Villarroel>I have a problem, I have a hard disk (a partition of this disk is used as /var) that is only detected after a reboot (I know that sounds crazy, but is some problem with the sata and the ide buses, I think). But during the installation was detected without rebooting. It's possible to do that same hardware detection on the initialization so I don't need to reboot. Without rebooting I get a mount error. Thanks.
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01:01<Villarroel>I will play with "discover".
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01:19<wilson>alguem do brasil
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02:34<`Richard`>could someone help me with starting up mirc.exe with wine?
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02:45<dr|z3d>`Richard`: Did you install MIRC though Wine?
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02:50<cahoot>why would one prefer mirc in wine?
02:50<cahoot>...when the real thing is at hand
02:52<dr|z3d>Familiarity with the client.
02:52<cahoot>if that's the reason why not stick to windows?
02:52<dr|z3d>Besides, Linux clients aren't so hot at doing MDI.
02:53<dr|z3d>Why not stick to Windows? For an IRC client? Come on.. Wine's exactly for this purpose. App migration.
02:55<`Richard`>dr|z3d yes
02:55<`Richard`>but now when i try wine /path/mirc.exe
02:55<`Richard`>it dosnt seem to work
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02:56<dr|z3d>`Richard`: Do you see mIRC on your Gnome menu, perhaps under "Other" ?
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02:59<`Richard`>dr i dont think so
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03:06<cheater-conrad>Hey guys, having a problem here with a new lenny install
03:06<cheater-conrad>i have 2 HD's (sda/sdb) - same HD
03:06<cheater-conrad>each partioned into 4 parts
03:06<cheater-conrad>sda1-4, sdb1-4
03:07<cheater-conrad>and in /dev after booting, /dev/sda1-4 is there
03:07<cheater-conrad>but /dev/sdb1-4 is not there
03:07<cheater-conrad>/dev/sdb is there as well
03:07<cheater-conrad>i upraded the kernel with 2.6.31, which ive been using before without any problems - so it must not be a kernel driver
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03:29<locklace>!smack Richard|Away
03:29*dpkg smacks Richard|Away upside the head.
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03:58<saju>how format pendrive in ext3 in debian
04:01<peej>saju, what have you tried?
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04:02<albins>rxvt-unicode was just removed from squeeze, why and what should one use in stead?
04:02<albins>(yes I’ve tried doing a WWW search for it)
04:02<Lethalman>albins, install it from unstable
04:03<saju>peej: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1
04:03<albins>Lethalman: So you mean it’s not permamently gone?
04:04<albins>I thought someone removed it because it was obsolete or something similar
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04:05<peej>saju: before making the filesystem, did you partition it? How?
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04:06<peej>albins: maybe because it locks up x if you ctrl+click a menu ? (
04:06<Lethalman>albins, it's been removed from testing due to:
04:08<peej>oh, ok, unmaintained
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04:15<albins>Lethalman: ah. I see.
04:15<albins>Well, then I guess it’s time to find myself a new terminal emulator.
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04:19<Lethalman>albins, you can always install it from sid or take over the package and maintain it yourself :)
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04:19<albins>I’ve never maintained a package before, but I suppose that’s an option.
04:19<albins>I did however install it from sid.
04:19<albins>But that’s just a temporary fix, isn’t it?
04:19<Lethalman>albins, nobody ever maintained a package before it begun maintaining one man
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04:20<Lethalman>albins, you should better contact the maintainer and ask about rxvt-unicode/testing
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04:21<albins>Hm. »Decklin Foster«
04:22*peej is inspired and goes through man dpkg-deb
04:24<albins>It seems urxvt has quite some problems.
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04:28<saju>what is the use of /dev/null and /dev/zero
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04:28<Lethalman>saju, /dev/zero is useful for zeroing devices/loop files
04:28<locklace>saju: sometimes less is more
04:28<Lethalman>saju, /dev/null is good as output, it's like a black hole
04:29<saju>what are the situations it needed
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04:30<Lethalman>saju, if you didn't encounter any situations in which you need them, then you don't need them
04:30<saju>any example
04:31<Lethalman>dd if=/dev/zero of=file count=1k bs=1k creates 1mb empty file
04:31<Lethalman>echo bla > /dev/null doesn't print anything
04:31<Lethalman>nor write anything to disk
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04:33<luisman>livre, estas???
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04:43<saju>I am using internal modem(PCI card), but i can't see /dev/modem
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04:47<saju>I am using internal modem(PCI card), but i can't see /dev/modem .why?
04:48<albins>saju: Basically, PCI modems are very special. They are, as far as I’ve understood, mostly software.
04:48<albins>This means there a tremendous amount of work needed by device driver authors to get PCI modems to work.
04:48<albins>Meaning very few PCI modems actually work well with GNU/Linux
04:49<gsimmons>saju: What is your modem's PCI Id?
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04:50<albins>So the answer is that there probably isn’t any modem drivers for your PCI card installed.
04:50<saju>gsimmons : how can i find PCI id?
04:50<albins>It’s going to print information about all of your PCI devices, then you can look for your modem there.
04:50<gsimmons>saju: lspci -nn
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04:51<saju>01:01.0 Communication controller: Conexant HSF 56k HSFi Modem (rev 01)
04:52<gsimmons>dpkg: hsf
04:52<dpkg>it has been said that hsf is a pure software modem chipset family produced by Conexant (formerly Rockwell). Free (limited to 14.4Kbps data) and non-free drivers for HSF devices are available from Linuxant: . See also <winmodem>.
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04:57<saju>In case of internal modem(PCI card),which is /dev file. /dev/modem or /dev/ttys0 or /dev/ttyACM0 or /dev/ttyl0
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05:01<saju>how can i find my modem /dev file?
05:01<gsimmons>saju: /dev/modem is typically a symlink to the first available modem device. HSF devices are accessed via /dev/ttySHSFx (e.g. /dev/ttySHSF0) with Linuxant's HSF driver.
05:04<saju>gsimmons: but i can't see /dev/ttySHSFx in /dev.
05:04<gsimmons>saju: Because you need to install the driver, as described by dpkg above.
05:06<saju>gsimmons: hsf is not available in DEbian DVD.
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05:15<slush>"HSF devices are available from Linuxant"
05:17<saju>slush: what is Linuxant ?. is site?
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05:18<slush>saju: reading is difficult, I know .. But maybe, just maybe, if you read the sentence from dpkg very carefull, you may get the hint.
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05:31<peej>saju, that's the second time you've asked about dev/null and dev/zero in 24 hours. You *really* need to absorb the answers you are given and do some research yourself.
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05:35<saju>I tried to install hsf driver, but it showing error : HSF drivers currently don't support SMP (Symmetric Multi-Processing) kernels.
05:38<peej>saju, so what do you think you should do next?
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05:42<saju>i have slow net connection, that is why i asking
05:43<saju>i have only 4kb/s net connection, for chattting this enought
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05:47<peej>saju, if you aren't already, then use a text mode browser like lynx/links/w3m or switch off images in your browser then. 4kbps will be more useable then and will still get you what you need.
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05:49<dr|z3d>saju: You might also want to look at the latest Opera.. that's got a facility for accelerating browsing on slow connections.
05:52<saju>peej,dr|z3d: i will try
05:52<peej>dr|z3d, how's that work? via a proxy?
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05:52<dr|z3d>peej: Yeah, built-in proxy with content compression.
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06:11<ComradeHaz>Hi all, can anyone tell me how I can send a mail with 'mail' with just one command
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06:12<ComradeHaz>so rather that putting mail -s subject recipient@domain.blah folowed by the message and Ctrl+D ing
06:13<ComradeHaz>I just want one command which includes the message
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06:17<chiku>echo "your message" | mail -s subject recipient@domain.blah
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06:19<Squelos>hi, i installed debian on my laptop
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06:19<Squelos>and the wireless stuff isnt recognized.
06:19<Maxior>i have problem with ettercap
06:19<gsimmons>Squelos: What is the brand/model of your laptop?
06:19<Maxior>forwarded (libnet_write_raw_ipv4(): -1 bytes written (Message too long)
06:20<Squelos>uh, its a hp probook 4510s
06:20<Squelos>gsimmons whats strange is that the interface apparently isnt recognized i think.
06:20<Squelos>and i installed kde. Can i switch back to gnome ?
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06:23<azeem>Squelos: install gnome
06:23<Squelos>azeem, aptitude install gnome ?
06:24<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Squelos -about install gnome
06:24<gsimmons>Squelos: Is anything returned for "lspci -nn | grep 4315"?
06:24<Squelos>what, i got to switch to debian, im on vista now :/
06:25<Squelos>is the x server not installed with KDE ? O.o
06:25<Squelos>Here, what ill do is that ill go downstairs, and use the old ethernet
06:25<albins>I just found a bug, but I have no idea where it is
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06:27<albins>The documentation string for one of gnome-terminal’s options tells you that there’s three valid values for the scrollbar_position key: »left«, »right« and »disabled«. However, »disabled« does nothing, and has apparently been replaced with »hidden«.
06:27<albins>This is neither reflected by the docstring nor gnome-terminal’s dropdown box (which still labels the option as »disabled«).
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06:29<EmleyMoor>What's a good video recording/editing program? (got dmm if it helps)
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06:31<xsxixmx>My wireless is not recognized on my gateway-M either,.. & I wonder if Linus might return it.
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06:35<Squelos>well i gonna have to do an update/upgrade anyways. I hope it will work after that.
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06:58<chocolat888>Bien le bonjour à toutes et à tous :)
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08:03<darvein>hola a todos!!! buenas ;)
08:04<darvein>jeje que tal! =)
08:04<darvein>alguien esta usando debian squeeze?
08:05<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:05<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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08:05<songohan>he's spanish
08:06<darvein>I am sorry!! bye bye brotha!
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08:30<darvein>Hi everybod =(
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08:37<oznt>hi guys, a weird question. I'm trying to switch tty on my debian guest os (on virtual box, using also a debian host). Pressing alt+f2 registers on the host - even though I'm on full screen mode on the guest... :-/ any ideas how to switch tty ?
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08:41<oznt>gsimmons, 10x
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08:44<agata>hello again i have a little question... i'm trying to remove a program which is malfunctioning so i am using aptitude remove && aptitude purge... but for some reason when i install it again, gives the very same error so i guess some of the conf files are not being purged. how can i check if everything has been removed?
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08:53<locklace>agata: you could start by being specific instead of vague
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08:55<agata>hmmm see i am trying to open a torrent with deluge, because so when i try to open whichever torrent it says : already detected in deluge want to merge tracker lists? then i say yes and nothing happens but it starts downloading, i jus dont see it in the screen. then i decide to remove the program and reinstall it again, i use aptitude remove and aptitude purge to make sure there's nothing left of it, but when i try again, again the same error me
08:55<agata>so basically i think i am missing something in the removal process and i dunno how to check how
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08:59<Marillion>agata: a *remove* before is _not_ necessary, you can direct purge it
09:00<agata>oh i see..that might be what im doing wrong
09:00<agata>i'll try, thanks Marillion :)
09:00<Marillion>your welcome
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09:03<Marillion>agata: if you find the packages are removed but not purged, the function is aptitude search ~c
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09:04<agata>i will check it right now Marillion :))) it's just weird because when i launch the program from the terminal states that libtorrent has detected it as already opened and blabla but libtorrent is not removed... so maybe i should try just to remove everything which smells like torrent
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09:07<locklace>agata: look for data files associated with the application in your home directory
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09:11<agata>hymmm nothing in the home directory
09:11<agata>let's try and install again
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09:12<Marillion>agata: ok, the hard way is, rm -rf ~.path/to/.torrentprogram
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09:13<Marillion>deluge have a .config in your home
09:13<agata>let's go the hard way it won't be worse hehe
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09:18<alba__>nothing, again the same :(
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09:20<alba_>hmmm ok guys thanks for the help but i guess i need to ask in some deluge channel
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09:21<Marillion>alba_: which debian to use? lenny or otherwise as testing/sid?
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09:22<alba_>i think it's something with deluge... or with this libtorrent...the thing is that right now is downloading, i just don't see the downloads there
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09:23<Marillion>hmm, i use deluge itself, but a haven't any problems
09:23<jpinx-eeepc>Marillion: use lenny (stable) and backports
09:24<alba_>i havent had any problems for around two years.. just right now appeared
09:24<alba_>it's kind of funny, because it's downloading at full bandwith, i just dunn what hehehe
09:25<jpinx-eeepc>Marillion: you can even do your own backports of latest version packages if needed
09:25<Marillion>jpinx-eeepc: the lenny version works fine, not necessary for me, but thanks for contribute :)
09:25<jpinx-eeepc>alba_: what's deluge?
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09:26<alba_>some software jpinx-eeepc
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09:26<jpinx-eeepc>to do what?
09:26<jpinx-eeepc>judd: versions deluge
09:26<judd>jpinx-eeepc: deluge -- experimental: 1.1.2.dfsg-1 sid: 1.1.9+dfsg-2 squeeze: 1.1.9+dfsg-2
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09:27<jpinx-eeepc>alba_: I use transmission for that
09:28<alba_>i don't really like transmission... did never get it
09:28<alba_>also, ktorrent is not my favourite and bittorrent does not work fine for me
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09:28<dpkg>pgrazian: VATTENE VIA
09:29<Marillion>pgrazian: use /names
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09:31<cahoot>unless he's looking for warez
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09:35<locklace>i would really like to know why of the many dozens of people i've seen come in here and do that, 100% have been italians
09:36<Marillion>is stupid to search as in channel, or at the OFTC ;) anyway...
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09:37<cahoot>someone said !list was some italian idiosyncratic way to look for warez
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09:38<locklace>i don't see how it's in any way italian-specific
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09:38<Marillion>*g* ok stipid, ok next theme...
09:39<petemc>its not italian specific, but the majority of the people that do it in here are from italian ips
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09:40<locklace>exactly. but why?
09:40*locklace despairs
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09:40<hendry>can i get a 32bit Debian chroot running under 64 bit? do i need qemu or something?
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09:41<Marillion>hendry: kvm/qemu is a good way for that
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09:42<themill>hendry: debootstrap should do that for you, no emulation required. See the --arch option.
09:42<Kaigeos>I have a question about the deb repositories with all the mirrors in the different countries, has anyone found one to be more up to date, more often then the others?
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09:42<hendry>themill: debootstrap installs a 32bit chroot, but the kernel is still 64 bit when you chroot in
09:43<themill>hendry: yes. That's what a chroot is (you always use the host kernel in a chroot)
09:43<alba_>what's the name of the sid repos or where i can find them? need to get one package from there...
09:44<Marillion>alba_: you don't want this on a lenny system
09:44<Marillion>alba_: use
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09:44<alba_>Marillion, the thing is that i'd like to download the last deluge
09:45<alba_>but for debian is in the sid repos it sys
09:45<Marillion>alba_: use
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09:45<themill>You'll have to make your own backport. /msg dpkg ssb
09:45<Kaigeos> is on the source.list by default isn't it?
09:45<azeem>Kaigeos: no
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09:45<Marillion>Kaigeos: never
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09:46<Kaigeos>ok, my bad. what would the full deb entry be for the source.list?
09:46<Marillion>Kaigeos: is official, but not default
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09:46<Marillion>see the instuctions on
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09:47<Kaigeos>is there a recomended repos I could add for using lenny for hosting with llmp or lamp server?
09:47<Kaigeos>yea, I have the wiki open as we speak.
09:48<themill>Kaigeos: everything you need is in the debian archive already.
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09:48<petemc>what is it that you need that you dont have?
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09:49<Kaigeos>php5-gd seems outdated
09:49<Marillion>but tested
09:49<Kaigeos>so if that was, I wanted to be sure nothing else isl
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09:50<Marillion>and you have security support
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09:50<Kaigeos>oh, so it's not up to date for a reason
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09:50<Marillion>PHP is broken by design
09:50<themill>Kaigeos: gd is always problematic because the php developers don't understand how to use libraries. Also, /msg dpkg security backports
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09:52<Kaigeos>I thought just the opposite, that I could be missing out on security patches and misc. fixes by not being up to date.
09:53<themill>Kaigeos: having to rewrite your php stuff every time there was a security update would suck badly. (remembering that php regularly breaks things from version to version)
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09:55<Kaigeos>doesn't PHP have some kind of standard like html with WWWC?
09:56<locklace>!win Kaigeos
09:56<dpkg>Congratulations, Kaigeos! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
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09:56<Kaigeos>woo hooo.
09:56<Kaigeos>skeet shooting time
09:56<StarkD>how do I replace swfdec with adobe flash player? I have installed it using but swfdec is still used for flash. and I break the gnome package if I uninstall swfdec
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09:59<Marillion>Kaigeos: FYI: PHP is not recommend, this is the reason you don't use that... looks Stefan Essers security alerts, PHP have more secure bugs as code *afaik*
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10:09<miguel>i have probelms to print ANYTHING, excepting the TEstPAge from within cups
10:09<miguel>i wonder what i might be doing wrong.. the testpage works perfectly
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10:11<cahoot>checked /var/log/cups/error_log?
10:12<miguel>i do "lp myfile.pdf"
10:13<miguel>but that does not add anything to the error_log
10:13<miguel>lpstat : says:
10:13<miguel> Status: cannot open '/dev/lp0' - 'No such file or directory', attempt 1, sleeping 10 at 16:13:13.814
10:14<cahoot>and it isn't an usbprinter?
10:14<miguel>it is a usb printer
10:14<miguel>but i think its under /dev/usb/lp0 ?
10:14<miguel>at least there IS such a file
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10:19<Marillion>miguel: and under http://localhost:631 find cups your printer?
10:20<miguel>it is there: Device URI: usb://Brother/HL-2030%20series
10:20<miguel>and prints perfectly the TestPage
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10:22<miguel>but the jobs i want to queue with : lpr somefile , do NOT appear tehre even
10:22<valdyn>!cups setup
10:22<dpkg>i guess cups setup is "aptitude install cupsys cupsys-bsd foomatic-db". Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! Optionally install the printconf package to automatically install attached printers. To troubleshoot printing problems, ask me about <debug cups>.
10:22<valdyn>miguel: youre missing the cupsys-bsd package
10:23<SQlvpapir_>valdyn, "This is a dummy package to ease transition to new package name."
10:23<valdyn>SQlvpapir_: whats the new name?
10:23<miguel>ooooook, something is PRINTING
10:23<miguel>works now
10:23<miguel>the cupsys-bsd, did the job!
10:24<miguel>thx a lot
10:24<valdyn>judd: versions cups-bsd
10:24<judd>valdyn: cups-bsd -- etch-backports: 1.3.8-1lenny4~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.3.8-1lenny4.1 lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny6 squeeze: 1.3.11-1+b1 sid: 1.4.1-4
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10:24<valdyn>dpkg: cups setup ~= s/cupsys-bsd/cups-bsd/
10:24<dpkg>valdyn: are you smoking crack?
10:27<maxv89>chat italy?
10:27<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
10:27<maxv89>come si fia?
10:27<Marillion>no, here ist prefered english
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10:35<k1lumin4t1>is there anyway to build a qt GUI for a bash script?
10:36<tuxcrafter>does somebody know where i can buy free software replacement stickers for the microsoft license sticker?
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10:43<SQlvpapir_>tuxcrafter, your local tux shop should be able to ship you some :)
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10:44<SQlvpapir>I ordered some for like 1€ each. not amazing print quality, but they are ok. still sticks to my laptop :)
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10:46<tuxcrafter>SQlvpapir: can you show me a link to your shop
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10:47<tuxcrafter>SQlvpapir: i can only find small stickers, but not stickers that can be placed over the ms license key stickers
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10:48<SQlvpapir>woups wrong pange
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11:00<adb>SQlvpapir, 65,00 DKK == USD ?
11:00<SQlvpapir>adb, ~13usd
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11:00<SQlvpapir>just ask google :) "65dkk in usd"
11:01<adb>tks , SQlvpapir
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11:02<adb>SQlvpapir, so no Euro in .dk ?
11:02<SQlvpapir>adb, nope, but we are locked on to it
11:03<SQlvpapir>pretty stupid imo, but thats the way it is
11:03<adb>i see
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11:43<bike__>i get this when trying to cross compile a 2.4 kernel. /sbin/genksyms: invalid option -- 'k'
11:44<bike__>or compile a 2,4 kernel at all
11:44<bike__>im unable to find the correct version of that genksym thing
11:44<bike__>any ideas ?
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12:01<adb>linux-kbuild-.. is correct
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12:32<miguel>what is a easy way to make screenshots under debian?
12:34<dpkg>To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot (scrot package), xwd. For framebuffer consoles, use fbgrab.
12:34<miguel>i use xfce
12:35<miguel>ill use the IMPORT approach
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12:35<dr|z3d>miguel: Just add the screenshot applet.. add it to your panel.
12:36<miguel>oook, thx!
12:36<miguel>hmmmm.. or wher do i GET the applet?
12:36<dr|z3d>It's provided with Xfce..
12:37<dr|z3d>Right click on panel -> Add -> Locate the screenshot applet.
12:37<miguel>there isnt any
12:38<miguel>in my xfce at least
12:38<dr|z3d>There should be, it's a default Xfce app, and it's called "Screenshot".
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12:39<miguel>p xfce4-screenshooter-plugin - screenshots plugin for Xfce panel
12:40<miguel>i guess its what you mean
12:40<miguel>wil try it right now
12:40<dr|z3d>That's the one you want.
12:41<miguel>soo, works perfectly. than kyou
12:41<miguel>i love debian!
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12:49<weebl>hello, i'm getting /usr/lib/apache2/modules/ undefined symbol: xmlTextReaderSetup error when trying to start apache2 webserver and im sure xml package is installed
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13:08<dpkg>hello, d3co
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13:11<d3co>hi all ! I have problem with flash player on debian lenny! its working but the sound disappears
13:11<acu>how can I delete cached package files in debian
13:12<acu>d3co: I am not expert - happened to me too - somethimes if you install non-free adobe flash player this is corrected
13:13<DTE>acu: apt-get clean
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13:15<Ikarus>acu: apt-get clean
13:15<dr|z3d>acu: aptitude clean && aptitude autoclean
13:16<d3co> i have this --> from adobe page! i was good but now.. :(
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13:16<dr|z3d>d3co: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
13:16<dr|z3d>(or reinstall).
13:16<acu>DTE Ikarus dr|z3d thanks - I posted the same question in freenode - you are so good thanks
13:17<dr|z3d>d3co: The disappearing sound issue is a Flash issue; try a reinstall.
13:17<d3co>i gonna do now!
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13:22<DTE>i have some problems trying to use a iscsi target with debian
13:22<DTE>i get this error when i try to format the disk
13:22<DTE>/dev/sda1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!
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13:23<DTE>any idea?
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13:34<d3co>dr|z3d, I did about flashplugin-nonfree but the sound still disappearing :(
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13:39<d3co>dr|z3d,the flash its good for epiphany but not for iceweasel
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13:58<astartoth>hi all
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14:00<brunner>How should I decide which version of NFS I should use?
14:00<astartoth>a question on xfce 4.6.1: the xfce4-power-manager icon is not showing, no matter what I do. any tips would be great.
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14:01<dr|z3d>astartoth: Make sure you have the related service(s) running.
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14:02<astartoth>dr|z3d, they are.
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14:02<locklace>brunner: use the latest version supported by all participating systems
14:03<brunner>okay, thanks
14:03<brunner>so v4 is good for production?
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14:04<dr|z3d>astartoth: Hmmkay. Next step, visit xfce on freenode I guess; therein the big Xfce hitters.
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14:04<astartoth>dr|z3d, ok :) logging in
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14:06<drakeman>hey guys for one of you who have tried kde 4.2 in your debian systems, what package did you recommend to install if i want to install to try it, kde-minimal kde-standard or kde-full? i installed it few months ago but was horrible slow, dont know now,
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14:06<stuckey>I would guess kde-minimal
14:06<dr|z3d>drakeman: If it was horrible slow then, it won't have changed much.
14:06<stuckey>Does anyone know if that parallel boot thing works yet? I'd like to try it if it does.
14:07<drakeman>stuckey, with that minimal i get all the "cool" things in kde?
14:07<dr|z3d>drakeman: If your system hasn't changed, I'd go for Xfce over KDE any day.
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14:07<stuckey>drakeman: What 'cool' things?
14:07<dr|z3d>You might find Xfce horribly fast..
14:07*stuckey recommends wmi
14:08<drakeman>dr|z3d, but i dont know, maybe another kind of problems beacuse i have seen kde running better in more low ends machines, i have ram, nvidia 8400gs, amd athlon 64 3500+ , 200gb hard disk..
14:08<astartoth>XFCE is great. just installed in my SID machine.
14:08<stuckey>Wait, it's wmii not wmi
14:08<dr|z3d>drakeman: That spec should run any DE fine.
14:08<astartoth>compositing works and it's overall faster then Gnome or KDE.
14:08<drakeman>right now im using xfce and it runs like a road runner
14:08<stuckey>drakeman: WMII is as about as good as it gets.
14:08<dr|z3d>drakeman: If it doesn't, I'd look at your graphics drivers first.
14:08<stuckey>Try it if you haven't.
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14:09<drakeman>dr|z3d, yes maybe because last time i installed was horribly slow, im using the nvidia "debian way" drivers.
14:10<drakeman>stuckey, wmii?
14:10<drakeman>im going to check that.
14:10<drakeman>dr|z3d, so maybe if i want to try kde again, maybe a should try with kde-minimal, and if everything works fine, then kde-full?
14:11<stuckey>wmii is just a window manager; all you need
14:11<dr|z3d>drakeman: Sure, you can try that, but I'd probably opt for kde-standard just so you have what you expect.
14:11<drakeman>dr|z3d, ok, now im using xfce and wow, is like 100 times faster than gnome! hehe
14:12<dr|z3d>drakeman: Indeed. Enjoy. :)
14:12<drakeman>i would try with kde-standard, thanks
14:12<drakeman>and if not, aptitude remove kde-standard
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14:13<chealer>drakeman: ask #debian-kde
14:14<drakeman>chealer, thanks.
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14:17<sam2>From which site i can download driver for Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11)
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14:17<sam2>Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)
14:17<Torsten_W>this driver is in kernel
14:17<Torsten_W>no download needed
14:18<stuckey>Where can I find out which drivers are in the kernel?
14:18<Lethalman>stuckey, look at your config in /boot
14:18<Lethalman>and under /lib/modules
14:19<cahoot>unless you mean all 'drivers' in kernel
14:19<stuckey>cahoot: I mean all 'drivers' in the kernel.
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14:20<cahoot>I don't know of any answer to that
14:21<stuckey>Surley there's a list somewhere or something... I mean, it's useful information.
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14:26<sam2> /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/
14:26<sam2>acpiphp_ibm.ko cpcihp_zt5550.ko ibmphp.ko shpchp.ko
14:26<sam2>acpiphp.ko cpqphp.ko pciehp.ko
14:26<sam2>cpcihp_generic.ko fakephp.ko pci_hotplug.ko
14:26<sam2>which is the correct driver of Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)
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14:31<valdyn>!which driver
14:31<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into . To determine the driver currently associated with an existing network interface: grep PHYSDEVDRIVER /sys/class/net/*/uevent
14:31<valdyn>sam2: ^^^^^
14:31<adb>sam2, first update your kernel to 2.6.26-2-686
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14:33<sam2>adb: is that a problem?
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14:34<adb>for security reasons
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14:36<sney>stuckey: you could download the kernel sources and look through make menuconfig
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14:37<stuckey>sney: where do I download the kernel source?
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14:37<sney>I believe it's also in apt, but it doesn't matter if you're just looking around
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14:38<stuckey>sney: how do I look through make menuconfig?
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14:39<sney>you download the source tarball, extract it, and do 'make menuconfig' where you extracted it
14:39<sney>that's the command to choose how to configure the kernel, and it has menus and lists and descriptions of *everything* in the linux kernel.
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14:40<stuckey>man it's 52mb
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14:41<stuckey>Is the kernel mostly done in C/C++?
14:41<sney>all C
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14:41<stuckey>I'm learning C right now
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14:42<stuckey>sney: so I see a blue screen now... where does it tell which drivers are in it?
14:43<sney>anything that has to do with hardware is a "driver"
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14:43<sam2>how can i check driver of Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture is exist in my system?
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14:43<stuckey>What's the difference between a firmware driver and a device driver? It lists both...
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14:44<telenieko>hi ppl. I have /boot on /dev/md0 and / in an LVM volume on /dev/md1. But it seems that my initrd images do not initialize /dev/md1 and then it can't find the LVM group... How can I force the initrd image to initialize both md0 and md1?
14:44<sney>stuckey: you'll have to ask the computer science guys for the technical difference. but they're just 2 different kinds
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14:45<stuckey>But what I'm interested in here is devices... so I'll look under that
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14:47<sney>sam2: /sbin/modinfo bt878
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15:02<sam2>is this BT878 module /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/bt8xx/bt878.k
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15:05<sam2>then what is the /dev file for Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture
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15:06<katulataretarded>im uploading a youtube video of debian not working for me
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15:07<petemc>sam2: that sort of stuff is usually /dev/video0 or some such
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15:10<katulataretarded>does anybody get a kbd error when booting amd64 image?
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15:12<brunner>I'd like to use NFS on a LAN, but I don't have enough users to justify implementing LDAP. How can I sync my password files so that the other administrators can log into the servers I'm putting online?
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15:13<dpkg>i heard nis is the Network Information System. It can be used to distribute files across networks. It is commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also <NFS>. Network Information Service, or
15:13<weasel>brunner: "carefully"?
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15:14<katulataretarded>i cant install debian cuz i get a kbd error. process 775 or whatever INFO: setting kbd mode to UTF 8
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15:14<brunner>valdyn: "Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure."
15:14<brunner>valdyn: I'm aware of NIS, thanks
15:14<valdyn>brunner: nfs is insecure too
15:14<brunner>yes, I know that.
15:14<brunner>it's a LAN.
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15:15<brunner>but I still don't want (encrypted) passwords available across the network
15:15<brunner>weasel: what files would I need to copy?
15:16<weasel>copy? are you mad?
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15:16<valdyn>brunner: youd have to sync uids, thats hard or easy, depending on how out of sync it is right now
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15:17<brunner>these are servers. there will only be three actual humans who will ever have access.
15:17<valdyn>brunner: so sync those 3 uids, done.
15:17<brunner>valdyn: what do you mean by "sync" them?
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15:18<brunner>passwords are stored in shadow files, or something like that, right?
15:18<brunner>never mind. I'll just create user accounts on each box that have the same UIDs.
15:18<valdyn>brunner: exactly
15:18<brunner>okay, thanks
15:19<valdyn>brunner: mind, they gid need to match too
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15:19<brunner>are UID's stored anywhere other than /etc/passwd?
15:20<brunner>I mean, do I need to do anything other than create entries in /etc/passwd on each box? where are the passwords for each user physically stored?
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15:21<valdyn>brunner: /etc/shadow
15:21<brunner>oh, cool. I'm not sure how I never learned that.
15:21<weasel>all over the filesystem in the inodes?
15:22<brunner>weasel: I'm not talking about modifying existing users.
15:22<brunner>weasel: I'm just going to create new users
15:22<Lethalman>adduser/useradd brunner
15:22<weasel>then just adduser them with the same --uid and --gids
15:22<brunner>they don't need home directories
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15:30<katulataretarded>what should you set in the debian cd to install it?
15:30<katulataretarded>it doesnt work for me. i get some dumb kbd error UTF 8 thing
15:30<dr|z3d>katulataretarded: Make sure your bios is set to boot off cd first.
15:30<katulataretarded>it is
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15:32<katulataretarded>(process:776): INFO: kbd-mode: setting console mode to Unicode (UTF-8)
15:32<katulataretarded>and i cant install it because right after the kernel loads, it locks up with that message
15:32<weasel>that's an info level notice
15:32<weasel>that's not an error message.
15:33<katulataretarded>so what do i do??
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15:33<bastonc>кто нибудь может подсказать, как убрать из системы ядро 2,6,31 rtl1, ибо с ним одни неприятности, его нужно долго и нудно патчить
15:34<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
15:34<dr|z3d>katulataretarded: You should be able to boot into Debian fine.
15:34<bastonc>dpkg, ok. Sorry
15:34<dpkg>Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again...
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15:34<katulataretarded>i cant
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15:35<katulataretarded>it just gives me that dumb message and the md5s are perfectly fine
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15:35<katulataretarded>i checked the download, and the cd
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15:37<katulataretarded>im using the business card daily build and for the last million years, they dont work
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15:44<katulataretarded>should i post the video of it not working?
15:44<adb>add nopat to the boot options
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15:44<katulataretarded>adb: me?
15:45<malgar>hello I had a freeze after a dist-upgrade (because of hardware heating I guess). After rebooting I restared with dpkg --configure -a but it's creating a huge dir in /tmp/mkintramfs larger than my free space (1.6Gb) and it says no space left on device. suggestion?
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15:45<katulataretarded>or were you talking to somebody else?
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15:46<adb>not , it's for yoo
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15:46<dr|z3d>katulataretarded: Post the link, someone may be charitable enough to take a look..
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15:46<katulataretarded>ok turn off your speakers before watching the video. it was made for my friend and i acted stupid.
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15:49<katulataretarded>start it from 2:15 if you want to see the actual problem
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15:53<leper>anyone knows how to con fig the virtualbox
15:53<katulataretarded>yes me
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15:53<katulataretarded>what you need help with>
15:55<leper>it doesn't load a iso image
15:55<dr|z3d>leper: Set the CD to mount the iso?
15:55<leper>yes i do
15:55<leper>i did
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15:56<dr|z3d>Ok, if it's not booting off that, have you tried a different iso?
15:56<katulataretarded>adb: how do i add the erm.. nopat option?
15:56<leper>look this appear '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup'
15:56<leper>but that doesn't exist
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16:01<fare>I upgraded debian to the latest testing a few days ago. After a day of fighting keyboard and font, I got a working system. And then, a day later, it starts having weird slowness and timeout. No high CPU usage, but konsole, gnome-terminal, iceweasel, will stall for ages before they display anything
16:02<fare>kwin also seems less responsive than should
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16:02<katulataretarded>adb: that fixed it. THANK YOU SO SO MUCH!
16:02<dpkg>Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words, put an underscore ("_") on both sides.
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16:04<katulataretarded>adb: how did you know that was how to fix it?
16:04<katulataretarded>morning marcel
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16:05<katulataretarded>whats going on?
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16:06<katulataretarded>i might as well too now that i can __INSTALL__ debian
16:06<katulataretarded>thanks guys. peace in
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17:31<arw>i knows that is a ot, but someone knows how to handle a serial's port interrupt signal?
17:32<arw>with c?
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18:00<arw>i answer my question for who wants to know
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18:05<proximus>does anybody have an expirience of using debian vps based on virtuozzo ?
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18:09<brunner>If I modify clients.conf, do I need to restart freeradius before the changes take effect?
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18:27<abrotman>brunner: restart or reload one would guess
18:27<abrotman>brunner: unless it reads the conf file for every connection (probably not)
18:27<brunner>reload wouldn't cause it to lose track of the current calls?
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18:36<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to prevent the DVD player application starting an instance on a VNC server when a DVD is inserted? Happy for autoplay but need to keep it to the local display only...
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18:40<lwm>I see there is no madwifi after lenny. what replaced it?
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18:44<chealer>!tell lwm about madwifi
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19:30<ComradeHaz>Hi all. could someone tell me what the abbreviations in the first column mean in the output of a dpkg -l command. Particularly rc ii and un. Thanks.
19:32<themill>ComradeHaz: the first three lines of the output show the information; man dpkg has more explanation on what those terms mean
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19:34<ComradeHaz>Err, well, I'm failing to glean anything from teh first 3 lines and I have perused the man file, but not found my answer in there either, sadly.
19:35<ComradeHaz>I'm guessing it's he status, but can't figure what each of those 3 means
19:35<themill>ComradeHaz: so the first line tells you what the "desired" state is. r == remove.
19:35<brunner>how does iptables act when there are no rules?
19:35<brunner>allow all or deny all?
19:36<ComradeHaz>all ports are closed by default, if that's what you mean
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19:36<brunner>gotcha, thanks
19:36<ComradeHaz>unless something is listenin on a given port
19:36<themill>ComradeHaz: the second is the actual status, so c==Cfg-files (config-files). See "PACKAGE STATES" in man dpkg.
19:37<ComradeHaz>hmm, right
19:37<brunner>(06:37:00 PM) Omache: That's nonsense -- with no rules, it is wide open
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19:37<ComradeHaz>I'm looking at "dpkg -l linux-image\*"
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19:37<brunner>I have services that I want the world to be able to access without anything getting in the way
19:37<abrotman>brunner: if there are no rules, iptables has no impact at all
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19:38<ComradeHaz>brunner, if you want a service accessible, you basically just run it
19:38<ComradeHaz>if it's set to listen on a port, it can and it will
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19:39<ComradeHaz>sleepy time for me, thanks, themill, I now understand enough to know how to look this up further :)
19:40<themill>ComradeHaz: no worries. rc means you might want to purge the package; /msg dpkg purge
19:40<ComradeHaz>even for linux-images?
19:41<ComradeHaz>supppose there's no harm
19:41<ComradeHaz>ok, thanks :)
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19:41<themill>ComradeHaz: if it's "rc" it's already been removed from the system and it's only a config file that's left behind. Keeping config files around is just to allow reinstallation of packages without having to reconfigure from scratch
19:41<ComradeHaz>Aye, I see
19:42<ComradeHaz>Might as well nuke them then
19:42<ComradeHaz>just dothis occasionally when grub list is getting too long :D
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19:42<themill>ComradeHaz: "aptitude search ~c" to get a list of packages that still have config files around and are ripe for purging if you feel like spring cleaning.
19:43<ComradeHaz>oh? Why will that not return installed things too?
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19:43<themill>~c means things that are in that "rc" state (config-files only)
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19:44<ComradeHaz>ahh, ok
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19:44*abrotman bets there is at least one man page/reference about this ..
19:44<ComradeHaz>Sorry :)
19:45<ComradeHaz>Sometimes a man page just isn't as good as a human being ;)
19:45<ComradeHaz>Speaking of which, if I don't go to bed soon, I'll have to start taking man-pages to bed with me :D
19:46<ComradeHaz>I was ordered to bed hours ago :S
19:46<ComradeHaz>nn chaps
19:46<ComradeHaz>thanks again
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19:59<VelvetElvis>I'm trying to figure out what package to file a bug report against. Whenever I start a new X serssion the default resolution is 800x600 and not the much larger resolution I had previously configured. Is this an X bug or a KDM bug or a bug or neither?
20:00<VelvetElvis>It started right after the last major X upgrade in squeeze so I'm suspecting X bug
20:02<dr|z3d>VelvetElvis: That seems to be the bane of Linux, often.
20:03<dr|z3d>And, yes, probably an X issue.
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20:04<VelvetElvis>ok, thanks
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20:36<edbian>Would somebody please entertain a few questions I have about NIS ?
20:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:37<abrotman>just ask .. if someone can answer they will
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20:39<edbian>abrotman: Thanks :)
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20:40<edbian>I'm having trouble getting sudo to work on my clients with NIS
20:41<edbian>On the client the /etc/sudoers file contains the line: "%admin All=(ALL) ALL Or whatever the exact syntax is, it's correct in the file I just can't remember. but it seems that the NIS imported users don't keep their groups if that makes any sense.
20:42<edbian>On the NIS server user "ed" is in the admin group but on the client he isn't
20:42<edbian>the group exists, he's just not in it.
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20:44<edbian>shouldn't NIS push the groups a user is in as well as the user?
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20:50<edbian>What software do large scale organizations use to mimic window's roaming profiles
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20:51<edbian>dr|z3d: Under linux smart guy
20:51<edbian>dr|z3d: My point is this. Do they use NIS? It's seems clumsy.
20:51*dr|z3d smirks and slaps edbian.
20:52<dr|z3d>edbian: NFI.
20:52<edbian>dr|z3d: I'm googling
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20:52<dr|z3d>edbian: NFI. aka No fu**ing idea. :)
20:53<edbian>I would have figured that out eventually
20:53<edbian>dr|z3d: Surely there must be SOME standard approach. What does red hat do?
20:53<edbian>does anybody here know?
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20:55<edbian>abrotman: That is all windows-y. I have a linux only network. I should be able to do this without Samba yes?
20:56<sney>there was a thing I read in lj many years ago about using ldap and sql to mimic an active directory kind of thing
20:56<abrotman>edbian: so do you want a Windows roaming profile or a $HOME on NFS ?
20:57<edbian>I want to administer all of my users on the server. I can export the /home dir (in fact I already did) but that doesn't mean the users can log in on any machine unless I go around to every client and add every user manually.
20:58<edbian>sney: LDAP appeared to me also to be about getting linux to play nice with a windows active directory / domain
20:58<edbian>sney: Is that wrong?
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20:59<abrotman>edbian: so you just want a user to be able to login at any machine and have their $HOME follow them ?
20:59<edbian>abrotman: Yes
21:00<edbian>abrotman: I am trying to use NIS but it is clumsy! I got it to work accept none of the users can sudo! In researching that problem I learned that none of the NIS users are in any groups locally so now they can't use sound, the cd drives, modems, anything really.
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21:00<abrotman>edbian: you probably have to propagate the sudoers file to each system
21:00<edbian>abrotman: Is there some way to NFS a single file?
21:01<abrotman>edbian: NIS can send files like that to the client machines IIRC
21:01<edbian>abrotman: Also that seems like a (no offense) hacked work-around. I feel like there is some simple linux implementation of this that I'm missing
21:01<edbian>abrotman: IIRC?
21:01<dpkg>IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly"
21:01<dr|z3d>if i recall correctly..
21:01<edbian>thanks you
21:02<edbian>I'm researching
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21:03<edbian>abrotman: I think I'm on to something called "nis"automount
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21:06<Mish_>Help! :) - I'm trying to build a .deb package. When I "make" it normally, all is fine. If I used "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" or "checkinstall -D make install" I get a compilation error about halfway through the build, any ideas?
21:06<abrotman>!tell Mish_ about mentors
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21:14<sdhoeppner>is Lenny ntpd supposed to be running as two separate daemons, one instance as root, one instance as the ntpd user?
21:15<sdhoeppner>on all my earlier versions of Debian ntpd ran as a single daemon process
21:15<sdhoeppner>on Lenny I have two ....
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21:20<abrotman>AshhhBot: hi?
21:21<sadneophyte>Hi I have a wireless debian server which is getting about 6% packet loss. It seems to be causing a lot of havoc for ssh (scp bandwidth is about 2% of what it should be). I am primarily using X11 forwarding (graphical work), is there another way I can do this securely (I have always used X11 forwarding), can anyone recomend a good alternative?
21:23<yuri_>you could try ipsec
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21:23<dondelelcaro>sadneophyte: the best thing I can suggest is to fix the packet loss.
21:23<sadneophyte>wireless and server in same sentence... it is like a one line IQ test tehe...
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21:24<dondelelcaro>sadneophyte: but even with packet loss, it should still be workable, assuming you've got reasonable bandwidth
21:25<sdhoeppner>disregard my question about ntpd. I was running open-ntpd and apparently it uses two daemons. I removed it and installed ntp and only have one process again.
21:25<sadneophyte>like i have heard about vnc... but is vnc a good thing? The packetloss is really not bad... other tcp things do fine, it hits 10mbit easy with other services
21:26<sadneophyte>tcp is awesome with packetloss... but the ssh seems to be freaking out...
21:26<dondelelcaro>sadneophyte: it shouldn't matter much for ssh, either; I use it all the time with networks which have relatively large packet loss
21:27<dondelelcaro>sadneophyte: try looking at what's going on with the ssh traffic using tcpdump
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21:29<sdhoeppner>is there a way I can suppress the listing of the following processes in top: migration/0 migration/1 ksoftirqd/0 ksoftirqd/1 events/0 events/1 kblockd/0 kblockd/1 aio/0 aio/1 kthreadd khelper async/mgr kseriod pdflush pdflush kswapd0? Basically I want to remove all the kernel "phantom" processes from top. How can I do so?
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21:31<sadneophyte>dondelelcaro I can't diagnose now computer is on loan now... I was just looking for an alternative solution for x11 forwarding (that people who are 'smart enough to use debian' people use). But you say the packet loss isn'T the problem... Do you use options like keepalive or something?
21:32<sadneophyte>dondelelcaro i thought that 6% over a couple hours was way too high... but if that isn't the case I have a reason to play around with the ssh server options...
21:34<dondelelcaro>sadneophyte: the ssh connection just stays open; assuming the packet loss isn't selective, it shouldn't have any more impact on the other protocols
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21:37<sadneophyte>dondelelcaro it stays connected... it is just the x11 refreshes are much too slow: I expect this to be a ssh throughput problem. scp runs choppily at 30-300kBs while ftp runs at 2-3 mBs
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21:38<dondelelcaro>sadneophyte: is this server underpowered?
21:38<sadneophyte>dual blah blah blah
21:38<sadneophyte>the client is underpowered
21:38<dondelelcaro>well, if the client has its CPU maxed out, then there's not much to do.
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21:41<sdhoeppner>considering it's X traffic, try using telnet as the protocol instead of SSH and see if performance improves. If it does, then your CPU (or SSH implementation) is likely the bottleneck.
21:41<sadneophyte>I will check cpu activity.... activities.... it could be some unique wlan crap. I will look at the tcpdump. but I am encouraged to hear that the packetloss is acceptable. What should I be looking for in the tcpdump...
21:42<sdhoeppner>dondelecaro: long time no see bud. Then again, I only come here when I have probs/questions. ;) :(
21:42<sadneophyte>so is there a nice debian repo vnc which has worked well for you guys?
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21:43<SeveredCross>Hey y'all, can I start debian-installer from a businesscard netinst CD that I've mounted?
21:43<sadneophyte>damn I gotta google vnc... I don't even know what the acronym stands for...
21:43<SeveredCross>Long and the short of it, I'm trying to install Debian on an SGI machine, but netboot is *not* a possibility.
21:44<sdhoeppner>SeveredCross: which SGI box?
21:44<SeveredCross>So I used the bootable Gentoo live CD, downloaded the businesscard image, now tryin to start d-i from there.
21:44<dpkg>somebody said mips was (Million Instructions Per Second) This is a rating of how quickly a processor can process instructions. A processor rated at 100 MIPS can process 100,000,000 instructions per second. Also a port of linux to computers equiped with MIPS processors. Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed, or a processor commonly found in video game console systems, and some computers, for more information, join #mipslinux on
21:44<SeveredCross>sdhoeppner: O2.
21:44<SeveredCross>adb: Not at *all* the right MIPS.
21:44<sdhoeppner>SeveredCross: R5000?
21:44<SeveredCross>sdhoeppner: Aye.
21:45<abrotman>SeveredCross: does that have one of the IMPACT cards?
21:45<SeveredCross>Netboot isn't an option because I don't have a spare machine to use, and running a DHCP server on the school's network is a really bad idea.
21:45<SeveredCross>abrotman: I don't think so.
21:45<SeveredCross>No idea what that is, but I don't *think* so.
21:45*abrotman was just wondering if there was still a lack of driver for the Impact cards
21:45<sdhoeppner>SeveredCross: does the debian site have downloadable CD boot images for MIPS?
21:45<SeveredCross>sdhoeppner: I couldn't find any.
21:46<sdhoeppner>SeveredCross: floppt images for MIPS?
21:46<sdhoeppner>err does O2 even have a 1.44 floppy?
21:46<SeveredCross>No, it does not.
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21:47<sdhoeppner>SeveredCross: have you tried booting that bus card CD yet?
21:47<SeveredCross>sdhoeppner: I did, it will not boot.
21:47<SeveredCross>At least I don't know how to make it boot--the usual "Install System Software" of IRIXen doesn't work.
21:48<abrotman> .. like that?
21:48<SeveredCross>Yeah, that one.
21:48<SeveredCross>It's an ISO9660 image, AFAICT it won't boot.
21:48<SeveredCross>The box just says "No system software found."
21:48<sdhoeppner>SeveredCross: have you ever installed Debian on an O2 before or isthis first time?
21:48<SeveredCross>First time.
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21:49<SeveredCross>I also have a copy of the MIPS CD1 around here somewhere.
21:49<sdhoeppner>SeveredCross: have you read the install instructions for MIPS on
21:49<SeveredCross>sdhoeppner: Yeah, they're all TFTP/netboot based.
21:49<SeveredCross>As I said earlier, I can't do Netboot.
21:50<sdhoeppner>SeveredCross: no, I mean the CD install instructions
21:50<SeveredCross>There are CD install instructions?
21:50<SeveredCross>Because I can't find them.
21:51<sdhoeppner>SeveredCross: read this:
21:51<abrotman>did you read the instructions for the installation for MIPS ?
21:52<SeveredCross>Yeah, and AFAICT, that's *also* netboot.
21:52<SeveredCross>Are you listening to me at all?
21:52<sdhoeppner>SeveredCross: yes, we are, and we're trying to help. But no one in #debian has SGI/O2 experience
21:53<sdhoeppner>no one *currently* in #debian that is
21:53<SeveredCross>I don't really need someone with O2 experience, I was mostly wanting to know if I can run debian-installer.
21:53<SeveredCross>A simple yes-no question--I can get a Linux running on the machine.
21:53<SeveredCross>Maybe I could just use debootstrap.
21:54<abrotman>i uh .. had an Indigo2 .. but not running Debian
21:54<sdhoeppner>SeveredCross: Debian ovbiously runs on O2. The problem here is getting it installed. And none of us has installation exp on O2.
21:54*abrotman is no help at all
21:54<SeveredCross>I think I will just debootstrap the machine.
21:55<SeveredCross>Considering I can boot a Gentoo LiveCD with network support.
21:55<sdhoeppner>SeveredCross: if you have the MIPS ISO burned to CD, your only issue is makiing the O2 boot from CD.
21:55<SeveredCross>Or I might install IRIX 6.5 cleanly and see if that cleans up this box's DHCP issues.
21:57<sdhoeppner>dondelelcaro: you any good with top?
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22:26<sdhoeppner>anyone know of a way to suppress the display of the kernel threads in top?
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22:57<adb>!tell Jerryclunsford -about paste
22:57<blueldr137>Has anyone ever had the error 'madwifi-ngError for wireless request "Set Frequency" (8B04) : SET failed on device ath0 ; No such device.' when using madwifi drivers and aircrack-ng?
22:57<blueldr137>it appears when i use the command 'airmon-ng start wifi0' :P
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22:59<Jerryclunsford>Can some one help me change from a dhcp assigned IP address to a static one?
22:59<abrotman>Jerryclunsford: man interfaces
23:00<Jerryclunsford>Can some one tell me how to change from a DHCP assigned IP address to a static one?
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23:00<abrotman>Jerryclunsford: man interfaces
23:00<Jerryclunsford>sorry lost the screen
23:02<blueldr137>:) I think I might have figured it out
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23:05<adb>Jerryclunsford, your conf is ok , now do > ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0
23:06<Jerryclunsford>I changed Interfaces in etc/network to read Static instead of DHCP. Put in address, netmask, broadcast, gateway Is this the right format.
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23:09<Jerryclunsford>it says ifdown eth0 notconfigured
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23:10<blueldr137>I need to disable UDev? could someone please help me?
23:10<maxwell>Hello, I want this instruction to run automatically every time my computer boots up: "setxkbmap -option grp:switch,grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll us,ru"
23:10<maxwell>Any ideas? :D?
23:10<blueldr137>maxwell: you can issue startup commands
23:10<maxwell>blueldr: Hao?
23:10<blueldr137>maxwell: go to system->preferences->sessions
23:11<maxwell>I am running Xubuntu.
23:11<blueldr137>lol this is the debian channel
23:11<maxwell>Oh shit.
23:11<maxwell>I thought it was ubuntu.
23:11<blueldr137>don't worry
23:11<maxwell>Sorry about that.
23:11<blueldr137>I bet it will still work
23:11<blueldr137>:) lol
23:11<maxwell>Wow, I just said shit and I didn't have a bunch of little gay ubuntu bastards whine at me for swearing.
23:11<maxwell>That is refreshing :D
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23:12<blueldr137>:) go to system->preferences->sessions
23:12<blueldr137>do you see that?
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23:12<maxwell>Dude.......I am not using GNOME.
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23:12<maxwell>So no, I do not.
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23:13<blueldr137>maxwell: well then I don't think I can help
23:13<maxwell>But basically get to startup applications, right?
23:13<blueldr137>oh its xfce lol
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23:14<blueldr137>basically once your in startup applications there should be an "add" button. click it. then in command type your command. :P
23:15<maxwell>Can I just type it straight in?
23:15<maxwell>I don't need to add the bash shit or anything?
23:15<maxwell>I can just, straight up, type in my command and hit the magic "add" button?
23:15<blueldr137>I don't think so, but I'm not an expert
23:15<blueldr137>try it lol
23:16<blueldr137>hopefully it will work :)
23:16<maxwell>brb then...
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23:17<blueldr137>ok lol
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23:18<maxwell>Not working.
23:18<Jerryclunsford>I tried > ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0. I got bash: eth0: command not found ifup: interface eth0 already configured
23:18<adb>maxwell, go #ubuntu
23:19<maxwell>No shit, I'm there.
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23:19<blueldr137>sorry maxwell :P
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23:20<Jerryclunsford>Does that mean that it should be working
23:21<adb>Jerryclunsford, yes
23:21<sten>if I run cdebootstrap --debug testing /tmp/test I get: Errors were encountered while processing: util-linux
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23:22<sten>if I replace testing w/ unstable it works,
23:22<Jerryclunsford>well it connects to the internet and the lan but it can't find itself in the network places
23:22<Jerryclunsford>it shows up when you open there is nothing there
23:22<sten>but I don't see a difference. why does that happen?
23:23<Jerryclunsford>Also cannot access localhost (apache2 server on the same machine)
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23:29<sten>any idea why cdebootstrap is not working?
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23:30<Jerryclunsford>Well I can always reinstall and set up a static IP then but I would rather lean how fix it.
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23:34<Jerryclunsford>bye all
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23:35<adb>sten, why use cdebootstrap ?
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23:36<sten>adb: it's default for pbuilder. what do you recommend?
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23:37<adb>debootstrap is not enough good ?
23:38<sten>adb: I guess it is. let me install and try.
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23:39<adb> pbuilder Depends: cdebootstrap | debootstrap
23:41<sten>adb: but because of that it installs cdebootstrap if pbuilder is installed..
23:42<sten>debootstrap can't handle testing? E: No such script: /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/testing
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23:42<sten>hmm, only names like squeeze..
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23:52<Prathibha>i get the following error at the end of installation "load-install-cd: umount: cannot umount /target/cdrom/: Invalid argument" . Why does this happen?
23:54<sten>pbuilder+debootstrap fails too:
23:55<sten>do I have to give different options do debootstrap than to cdebootstrap?
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23:55<adb>Prathibha, see How to investigate and maybe solve issues
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