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00:00<adb>sten, *debootstrap seems to fail on squeeze , see bts for bugs
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00:07<sten>adb: do you mean #545611? I don't think libsepol is still the problem, testing has the new version already
00:08<adb>sten, dunno exactly , sorry
00:08<sten>adb: ok, thanks for your ideas
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00:09<faheem>can anyone suggest what are good alternatives to the Linksys NSLU2 wrt Debian compatability. Apparently the NSLU2 is not manufactured any longer.
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00:11<adb>faheem, ask Linksys ?
00:12<faheem>adb: ok
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00:31<ans-tor->preference dialog in ffox 2.0, when change value it will apply suddenly, no chance to cancel (it has only close button, not ok/cancel), it is gnome HIG?
00:33<dr|z3d>ans-tor-: You're still on 2? Time for 3, I think.. 2's pretty much end-of-lined. :/
00:34<chealer>ans-tor-: Firefox is off-topic
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00:36<ans-tor->how do i update d-i translation of specific existing language?
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00:38<Prathibha>Debian installation fails at the last step ie., during the clean up process asking to insert a CDROM
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02:43<ivan_>hi... I need some help to report an annoying bug... I've 2 sid, both running the AMD64 flavour, one on intel Core 2 the other on an Athlon... but on Intel the keyboard got crazy and I suspect is libc, but I've som difficulties downgrading
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02:50<jm_>why woud libc affect keyboard?
02:50<ivan_>where can I find all libc previous version file (2.9-26)?
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02:51<dpkg>somebody said snapshots was an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See for more information. unmaintained since May 2008
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02:51<ivan_>jm_ really don't know but the problem started to happen right after libc was upgraded...
02:51<jm_>ivan_: what is the problem exactly?
02:52<ivan_>jm_ some key just... type something else... including special char or a set of char...
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02:53<jm_>ivan_: is this in X or on console?
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02:53<ivan_>jm_ and apparently not the same set... so if I press "a" it could result in "adjal"
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02:54<ivan_>jm_ console... and well through ssh... it doesn't happen...
02:54<vortek>is there a version of debian that will install on a ntfs partition and use the windows drivers for wireless? and sound?
02:55<gsimmons>vortek: You're still trying to get that laptop up-to-date?
02:55<vortek>yeap lol
02:56<jm_>ivan_: did you check keymap settings first?
02:57<ivan_>no... but nothing was changed there manually...
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03:01<gsimmons>vortek: IIRC, you previously attempted to install a 2.6.26 kernel image, then use the b43 driver (with manually supplied firmware) in order to update your outdated (pre-lenny) sid system. Was this achievable?
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03:02<ivan_>jm_ nothing was changed manually... among the packages that could affect console I can find in the upgraded ones there are: insserv, libc stuff others are gtk, video libs, perl...
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03:04<jm_>ivan_: somehow I doubt libc will do this
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03:04<vortek>gsimmons: first im very confused hehe. second were can i snag that kernel? and 3rd will i have to compile it to get to driver ?
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03:06<muh2000>why does apache2 offer me a php file to download after a apt-get dist-upgrade? (squeeze -> newer squeeze) everything worked before the upgrade....
03:06<ivan_>jm_: well it happened in the past too that those symptoms could be solved downgrading libc... still in the list of packages that I upgraded that caused the problem... most are "video" and gtk stuff... I doubt that an encoding lib can affect console... so what's left is insserv and libc
03:07<jm_>ivan_: well try downgrading it then
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03:07<jm_>muh2000: what does wget show for mime type?
03:08<ivan_>jm_ uh that's the problem... where can I find the old version since it is not anymore in my cache?
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03:08<jm_>ivan_: didn't you see what dpkg said 17 minutes ago?
03:08<muh2000>jm_ application/x-httpd-php
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03:09<jm_>muh2000: that is wrong
03:10<ivan_>jm_ I thought mmm maybe someone found the same bug and could tell how to restrict the pool of possible culprits
03:10<muh2000>jm_ um ok. what should be there? or how can i fix that?
03:10<ivan_>jm_: 17 min? dpkg?
03:10<gsimmons>vortek: You manually installed 2.6.26-2-686 previously (verifiable via "dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.26-2-686" and "uname -r"), so unless you removed it since, it is already present. The b43 driver is included with the kernel image package. You will need to supply firmware as previously advised, see
03:11<jm_>muh2000: do you have /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf ?
03:11<jm_>!tell ivan_ -about sdn
03:11<muh2000>jm_ yes, php5.load is there too.
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03:18<muh2000>everything worked before the update :(
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03:21<vortek>hanyone try elive yet ?
03:22<vortek>i mean is it the same as installing stable and enlightenment?
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03:22<vortek>cuase thats what it apears to be
03:22<gsimmons>vortek: Elive is off-topic.
03:23<vortek>gsimmons: were do i grab that kernel just incase i dont have it; and thanxs for your patience with me :)
03:25<jm_>muh2000: and restarting apache doesn't help?
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03:26<vortek>gsimmons: its people like you i wish i could clone and make 100 of ya to get people involved in debian :)
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03:27<vortek>so whats your opinoins on elive ?
03:28<muh2000>jm_: already did that 11ty
03:29<jm_>muh2000: hmm, are you sure it's not a buggy script?
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03:30<muh2000>jm_: phpmyadmin from the repo...
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03:30<jm_>muh2000: did you test a simple <? phpinfo(); ?> page?
03:32<muh2000>jm_: now i did: same result
03:33<muh2000>the strange part is the pages that are provided by suphp still work. only the one with the php-mod dont. well on another server one with php-mod works and the other doesnt...
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03:34<jm_>muh2000: hmm and this is with libapache2-mod-php5?
03:34<ivan_>jm_ gsimmons how can I find url to packages? snapshot was not useful I'm looking for libc6 and libc-bin 2.9-26
03:34<muh2000>jm_: yes
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03:36<vortek>how you ask dokg something in the chat room?
03:36<vortek>dpkg sid
03:36<dpkg>sid is probably the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
03:36<vortek>oh heh
03:37<vortek>dpkg stable
03:37<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>).
03:37<Bergerac-Fleur>dpkg oldstable
03:37<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Etch (4.0) is now oldstable. Ask me about <oldstable security> and consider upgrading your boxes from oldstable to stable (ask me about <oldstable->stable>).
03:37<metalqga>you can ask him like this "/msg dpkg stable"
03:37<jm_>muh2000: and it also shows PHP as loaded?
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03:40<Darkedge>Compiz is making my computer WAY SLOW, the slow bit is auactly when I am NOT using the effects, I'm using an Intel Video card, If that changes anything, I know ppl have had erorrs on nvidia video cards, but intel... Any help?
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03:44<muh2000>jm_: i guess so. well the one server is now working. there was an phpmyadmin.conf somehow added that i think confused the server... dunno... now there is one server left where phpmyadmin works but phpldapadmin does not (both worked before the upgrade...)
03:44<sheldonh>how can i set a custom path for a user whose shell i've set to /bin/rbash?
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03:46<jm_>sheldonh: doesn't it read stuff in /etc?
03:48<Darkedge>Any surport?
03:48<locklace>it reads all startup files unrestricted
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03:51<sheldonh>jm_: maybe i'm being stupid, but i don't think so, no :(
03:51<jm_>muh2000: then perhaps test with default config first and then keep adding your changes to see which breaks it
03:51<jm_>sheldonh: that made me curious, let me test
03:52<deavid>does anyone know how i can modify grub2 settings to make my system load alyways in the stable kernel by default?
03:52<jm_>deavid: what do you mean?
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03:52<sheldonh>jm_: i've produce the result i want before, but the users were deleted from the servers and it falls to me to set them up again :)
03:52<deavid>I'm using testing/sid, but I want to use the kernel in the stable version
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03:52<deavid>in the past, i changed the "default" entry in menu.lst
03:52<deavid>but today i migrated to grub 2
03:52<jm_>update-grub will add all kernels it finds
03:52<deavid>and i can't find a clean way to do this
03:53<deavid>ok, but i want to have the 4th entry as my default
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03:53<deavid>should i modify in /etc/grub-d/00_header script ?
03:53<jm_>so set default to 4 or add your own rule to /etc/grub.d
03:54<jm_>see /etc/grub.d/README
03:54<sheldonh>jm_: interesting. when i ssh in, the value in ~/.profile shows up when i echo $PATH. when i ssh foo@bar 'echo $PATH', it's ignored
03:55<jm_>sheldonh: it reads /etc/profile
03:55<sheldonh>jm_: odd. when i add it in /etc/profile, it's also ignored when i ssh foo@bar 'echo $PATH'
03:55<deavid>-> /etc/default/grub this is what i was looking for
03:55<locklace>it's not odd, it's how shell startup files work for interactive vs. non-interactive shells
03:56<jm_>right, the version in testing has much updated default/grub
03:56<locklace>and i'll take this opportunity to note that bash's particular handling of same sucks black holes through dixie straws
03:56<jm_>sheldonh: that is login vs. non-login shell
03:56<jm_>indeed it does
03:56<sheldonh>locklace: well, i don't know about it sucking, because i can never resolve how it works, in my head :)
03:56<locklace>sheldonh: my advice, use zsh instead
03:57<sheldonh>jm_: so... can i set a custom path for non-interactive rbash processes?
03:57<sheldonh>locklace: you have no idea how much work is involved in getting new software approved and installed on these 1300 servers :)
03:58<sheldonh>the only google hit i have was criticized as being off-topic and dwindled into nothing :)
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03:58<locklace>sheldonh: it's worth it in the case of zsh
03:58<locklace>sheldonh: but if you really want to deal with bash, all the gory details of its startup file handling are at least documented in its man page
03:59<jm_>sheldonh: good question, I didn't see it trying to open any other file, but I didn't look too hard
03:59<jm_>but not for rbash
03:59<sheldonh>locklace: my take on the manual page is that it can't be done. which is surprising, because i had it working before the user was deleted by a bad puppet recipe
03:59<locklace>jm_: rbash is no different
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04:00<locklace>sheldonh: in true bash fashion, it almost certainly can be but invariably any such solution will suck
04:00<sheldonh>locklace: my solution could have been in /etc/profile or ~/.<something> -- the former was standardized and the latter were deleted :)
04:01<sheldonh>fuck it, i'll just change the login shell to bash and that's that
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04:02<sheldonh>locklace: i'm pretty convinced that the manpage says noninteractive shells don't read _any_ startup scripts unless BASH_ENV is set, so heaven knows how i got it to work last year
04:02<jm_>locklace: doh, you're right
04:03<jm_>sheldonh: it reads /etc/bash.bashrc for non-login interactive shell, now to find a right permutation for noninteractive is up to you and the man page ;)
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04:04<jm_>ssh foo date reads /etc/bash.bashrc for me
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04:05<muh2000>hmmm on the other server it offers me the php file even when the page is the only vhost :/
04:06<muh2000>but this time it says application/x-httpd-suphp
04:07<sheldonh>jm_: i definitely didn't touch /etc/bash.bashrc last time. it's all good, i've scheduled the shell change to /bin/bash and modified the consumer to specify the path to the script. kapow :)
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04:09<jm_>sheldonh: I checked with strace, it's definitely reading it
04:10<jm_>sheldonh: you have just found another permutation that also works ;)
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04:11<sheldonh>jm_: linux, a kaleidoscope of options
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04:14<ivan_>jm_: didn't succede to use snapshot... but I was able to downgrade libc to 2.9-25 let see if the problem is gone...
04:15<ivan_>jm_: still there... so I've to see what's left to downgrade
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04:19<sheldonh>i can't wait for a mirror in south africa
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04:44<Prathibha>Error in I830WaitLpRing(), timout for 2 seconds. With this error my system turns black and I am not able to restart gdm
04:46<jm_>check if there's anything in kernel log when that happens
04:47<vortek>anyone run elive?
04:47<vortek>dpkg elive
04:47<dpkg>Elive (Enlightenment live CD) is a desktop distribution <based on Debian>, featuring the <Enlightenment> window manager. It is not Debian and thus not supported in #debian. #elive on
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04:47<vortek>im wondering why not just install debian then enli8ghtenment?
04:49<metalqga>i usually install debian, and after that whatever i want to
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04:50<vortek>same here
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04:53<Prathibha>Is there any problem with the xserver-xorg-video-intel package in lenny
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04:58<petemc>Prathibha: you could check
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04:59<munga>is there any plan to get the 2.6.31 out as a debian package ?
05:00<jm_>I read something about known problems being in 2.6.31 still so that's why they are sticking to .30 + fixes
05:01<munga>I see ! thanks :)
05:03<jm_>!judd kernels
05:03<dpkg>jm_, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's)
05:03<jm_>judd kernels
05:03<judd>jm_: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-7~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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05:14<styx-tdo>hi, is there a way to verify binaries' MD5 with APT or dpkg?
05:15<dpkg>i heard debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to check config files.
05:15<styx-tdo>ah shiny!
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05:42<anoop>hi prem
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05:42<prem>i am running Debian lenny for the past few days..all of a sudden now my gdm crashed and i have no choice except to restart my machine..
05:43<prem>even i couldnt give startx or gdm restart to retrive my desktop..
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05:43<prem>and the xorg.log ends up with "Error in I830WaitLpRing(), timeout for 2 seconds" error
05:43<prem>any idea anoop ?
05:44<anoop>prem: r ur xorg configured well ?
05:44<prem>i think so..i didnt reconfigure it after hopefully it should be k
05:45<anoop>r u able to run console
05:45<prem>yeah..but not keeps on blinking..and showing some random colors..
05:46<prem> this is my xorg.conf
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05:47<prem> is the tail of my xorg.log
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05:48<jm_>prem: check kernel log when this happens, like already mentioned
05:48<prem>any idea how and why it is happening..and i couldnt reproduce the bug again..
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05:50<anoop>wat vga card u hav
05:50<jm_>intel driver/kernel driver for it in lenny are very old, might be worth trying newer ones
05:51<anoop>jm_: ya thats wat im saying
05:51<anoop>prem: which is the vga
05:51<prem>VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) anoop
05:52<anoop>945 chipset board ?
05:52<prem>i couldnt identify anything from kernel log..
05:52<prem>yes anoop
05:53<anoop>which is the kernel version
05:53<anoop>uname -r
05:53<anoop>ok 1 min
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05:56<anoop>try installing these packages
05:57<prem>anoop, except -dev pkg .,the other two are already installed
05:57<anoop>with this driver
05:58<anoop>try installing three
05:58<anoop>were r u frm
05:59<prem>but anoop where to find this dri-Intel-3.4.3006-20051209.i386.deb pkg..?
05:59<prem>frm India
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05:59<anoop>india actual place
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06:00<prem>thanks i found the rpm..
06:00<anoop>jm_: pls help me
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06:01<anoop>i compiled a kernel
06:02<anoop>but its not booting
06:02<jm_>why not?
06:02<anoop>saying "out of range"
06:02<jm_>what is out of range?
06:03<anoop>screen is showing this msg
06:03<anoop>system is hang
06:03<anoop>i need to reset
06:03<jm_>that means something is trying to use a wrong mode and monitor is refusing it
06:04<anoop>but booting time we r seeing console messages
06:04<anoop>that is not seeing
06:05<jm_>so that probably happens when X starts
06:05<anoop>before x starts, we need to see console
06:06<jm_>I thought you just said you do
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06:08<jm_>if kernel is not showing it it's either misconfigured or also using wrong mode
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06:08<jm_>or option quiet is used, or some splash shit
06:08<anoop>wrong mode inside kernel ?
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06:09<anoop>no splash is not used
06:09<anoop>quiet removed
06:10<anoop>is it bcoz kernel is big in size?
06:10<vortek>for some reason dhcpdiscover wont grab dhcp, it works fine in xp though so i know its user stupidity not the card hehe. any ideas ole great minds of debian?
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06:11<vortek>its a wireless card
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06:12<anoop>jm_: ?
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06:15<prem>anoop, is tha t dri-intel deb is enough for fixing that crash.?bcos i dont exactly how to reproduce the crash again..
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06:15<prem>so dont even know whether it s fixed or not..!?
06:16<gsimmons>vortek: Can you be more specific than just "wont grab dhcp"? Did you extract firmware for use by the b43 driver, via b43-fwcutter, prior to using the interface?
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06:19<anoop>prem: when u reboot it''ll show
06:19<peej>prem, anoop, please avoid sms/leetspeak words on this channel
06:19<prem>ok peej
06:19<anoop>ok , sorry
06:20<vortek>;et me try agian then ill be back
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06:50<anoop><anoop> i compiled a kernel
06:50<anoop><anoop> but its not booting
06:50<anoop><jm_> why not?
06:50<anoop><anoop> saying "out of range"
06:50<anoop><jm_> what is out of range?
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06:51<petemc>anoop: out of range sounds like a X problem, rather than a booting problem
06:52<anoop>petemc: but this message is seeing before x starts
06:53<anoop>just when kernel is loading
06:54<jm_>anoop: so kernel sets a wrong mode ...
06:54<petemc>this is the kind of fun you have on the bleeding edge
06:54<anoop>and my old kernel is booting
06:54<jm_>so try using a different mode
06:56<anoop>how to set mode inside kernel
06:56<peej>look up linux boot options. eg: http://www.re
06:56*themill wonders why people want to try new, shiny and possibly broken when they don't know how to help themselves fix it
06:57<peej>whoops. that's a redhat thing. There's something like that for debian.
06:57<anoop>ha ha..
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06:58<anoop>peej, is it due to memory error
06:59<anoop>or bcoz kernel is big in size
07:00<petemc>no one seems clear on what exactly is out of range
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07:00<dpkg>[kms] Kernel modesetting, where the initialization of graphical modes is performed by the kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent.
07:01<anoop>i think it is some kernel loading error
07:01<themill>the exact text of the error would help.
07:01<anoop>dpkg: oh...
07:01<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, anoop
07:01<petemc>anoop: it would seem that you're not yet in a position to test such potentially problematic new software
07:02<anoop>the exact text is "out of range". nothing else
07:02<peej>try vga=785 as a mode option
07:04<peej>hmm. that's probably wrong, now that I'm reading further...
07:04<themill>who is saying "out of range"? kernel? the monitor itself? what are the preceding lines?
07:04<jm_>he said it's monitor
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07:04<anoop>there is noo preciding lines
07:04<themill>jm_: oh.. I missed that amongst the noise.
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07:05<jm_>themill: but he also had quiet kernel option so was getting no info when booting
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07:06<anoop>dpkg: there is only intel 915 info
07:06<dpkg>anoop: what are you talking about?
07:06<jm_>anoop: dpkg is a bot
07:06*peej laughs
07:07<anoop>dpkg: the site u gave
07:07<dpkg>wish i knew, anoop
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07:09<anoop>so is there any mode setting to display console lines ?
07:09<jm_>did you enable KMS?
07:09<anoop>i think the kernel is not loading into memory
07:10<anoop>KMS i dont know
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07:11<peej>do you get any text showing during the boot process? what?
07:11<peej>before the out of range thing.
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07:13<peej>I'm wondering if it's just video bios. Or maybe he didn't run lilo before the reboot (he's compiled a new kernel)
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07:14<jm_>people still use lilo
07:14<petemc>i have a box that grub doesnt work on
07:14<anoop>peej: there is no text other than loading bzimage
07:15*peej is so glad toy story 3 is coming out. I was going to file a bug that we were running out of names for debian releases.
07:15<jm_>petemc: we also have some HP machines which need the 'd' option with grub1
07:15<dr|z3d>anoop: make sure in grub you have verbose set instead of quiet in grub, and nosplash instead of splash.. see if that thelps.
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07:17<anoop>drjz3d: quiet is not enabled
07:17<peej>how about comparing your compile options with the generic kernel options. Especially the video section.
07:17<dr|z3d>anoop: Ok.. well, no harm in adding a verbose there somewhere.
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07:18<anoop>peej, how to compare ?
07:18<jm_>anoop: thast might also mean kernel doesn't even start executing, or that it's misconfigured
07:18<anoop>drjz3d: i'll try that
07:18<vortek>is there such thing as a installer that uses windows and its drivers "neT
07:19<vortek>to install debian on another partition>?
07:19<jm_>vortek: the closest is ndiswrapper
07:19<dr|z3d>vortek: There's wubi installer. Possibly a debian equiv?
07:19<anoop>jm_: i also think so
07:19<vortek>dpkg wubi
07:19<dpkg>vortek: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
07:19<dr|z3d>Oh, net drivers.. nevermind what I said.
07:19<peej>do you get a bunch of dots (progress indicator) when it says loading bzImage?
07:20<anoop>peej: nothing is seen
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07:20<vortek>well is there a cd image i cqan dl that has the wireles drivers on it ?
07:20<vortek>to install debian?
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07:22<gsimmons>vortek: You could try the kmuto installer, as some non-free firmware is supplied in later images. I've no idea if Broadcom firmware is included however.
07:22<anoop>peej: how to compare the select options
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07:23<vortek>k thanxs
07:23<jm_>anoop: you should not build your own kernels if you need to ask this
07:23<vortek>dokg kmuto
07:23<vortek>dpkg kmuto
07:23<dpkg>For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of
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07:24<anoop>jm_: i am compiling for the first time
07:24<jm_>anoop: so base it on debian config
07:25<anoop>jm_: how to do that
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07:26<jm_>anoop: ls /boot/config*
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07:27<anoop>jm_: then
07:27<peej>seems like bzImage isn't even loading up.
07:27<anoop>peej: yes
07:27<jm_>anoop: copy it to .config, do make oldconfig etc., you should read some documentation
07:28<anoop>jm_: ok
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07:32<jm_>anoop: but in general this shall be OK, keep in mind it needs initrd
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07:32<anoop>jm_: initrd i can make
07:33<jm_>anoop: yes, I am just saying that debian kernel config needs it, so don't forget that step
07:34<anoop>jm_: tnanks,...let me try
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07:35<gsimmons>vortek: Please ignore my earlier suggestion to use a backported d-i image from The b43 driver and associated firmware is not included.
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07:43<vortek>whats a boot.img.gz?
07:43<dr|z3d>A gzipped boot image.
07:44<vortek>some sort of boot image? and can i boot it from windows?
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07:44<jm_>vortek: no
07:44<vortek>i have no cd burner
07:44<jm_>you can install linux from windows boot loader, see or grub 4 dos
07:44<vortek>well ill get the iso then and use virtualbox
07:44<dr|z3d>vortek: You want to install Linux to a Windows partition? Try Wubi.
07:45<dr|z3d>Or what jm_ recommended. Your choice.
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07:45<vortek>well my wireless card is the problem.. its a dell 1370
07:45<jm_>vortek: you can fix that later, don't you have an USB key or somesuch?
07:45<dr|z3d>vortek: install ndis-wrapper and supply windows drivers.
07:46<vortek>nope no usb
07:46<jm_>how about ethernet?
07:46<jm_>serial cable?
07:46<vortek>dr|z3d only partition i can get online is winxp
07:46<jm_>another option - put stuff on windows fs, copy it from there in linux
07:46<vortek>im in a nursing home hehe
07:47<dr|z3d>vortek: Well, the easiest way for you to get Linux onstream is through the wubi installer, though others will hate me for saying so.
07:47<jm_>that sounds like debootstrap for windows
07:47<dr|z3d>You can install that from within Windows.
07:48<dr|z3d>Yeah, probably the same deal, jm_
07:48*OdyX hates dr|z3d
07:48<jm_>we used umsdos installation of linux back then, this sounds similar
07:48<vortek>hrm ndiswrappers has no depends nice
07:48<locklace>!hate OdyX
07:48*dpkg hates OdyX
07:48<jm_>vortek: don't go that route, it's the same deal as installing linux native driver
07:49<vortek>so a n ewer kernel is my best bet ?
07:50<jm_>well even 2.6.26 should work with older driver
07:50<vortek>kmuto iso image is what im dling now
07:50<vortek>i get scio flag errors with that kernel
07:50<vortek>this system is 5 yrars old
07:51<jm_>just get debian kernel to boot, d-i can find .iso and use it, you might just need to mount stuff manually and point it at the image
07:51<vortek>updating threw windows is a pain so ill just install a new version
07:51<jm_>if you already have debian installed, but no networking, download the files you need in windows, then just use them in linux
07:52<vortek>i have probles wiht libc6 dependa
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07:52<vortek>and that was after fixing a bunch of stff
07:52<vortek>in other words im fed up
07:53<jm_>yeah that can be painful, it might work if you prepare apt list files and then use apt-zip
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07:54<vortek> will this work with my net card my dell wireless 1370 ?
07:55<vortek>cyase i went to detect network hardware and all it finds is my usb
07:56<vortek>any1 notice how windows 7 stoloe the look of linux wm's
07:57<jm_>no, it doesn't contain all that's necessary for wlan to work
07:57<jm_>it just allows you to easily boot it from windows
07:58<vortek>i remember the good ole days when i had a ethernet conection installing hamm and bo infact i installed them on dial up
07:59<vortek>it was a pian to get my modem working back then cuase linux wasnot mature then and the modem doubled as a snd card but some how with the help of you guyg/gals i got it working
07:59<vortek>id run dlselect before i went to bed and let it run all night
08:00<vortek>back then youd had to run linux case win98 was so unstable and linux just ran better; plus you didnt have to worry bout land.c and winnuke.c heh
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08:01<jm_>dselect could be fun
08:01<jm_>FSVO fun
08:02<vortek>im gona wipe my xp partition on this laptop and make it a linux only box. its a 1000 mhz cant realy game with it so debian ftw!
08:02<locklace>the "crushed glass and razorblades for breakfast" kind of fun
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08:03<dr|z3d>dselect? fun? *shakes head*
08:03<petemc>theres a thin line between pleasure and pain
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08:04<vortek>iface wlan0 inet dhcp wireless-ssid mynetworkname ; now is it asking me to type wireless-ssid and mynetworkname ?
08:04<Ikarus>dselect *shudder*
08:05<vortek>or do i put my wireless-ssid in placce of wireless-ssid and then my network name ?
08:06<gsimmons>vortek: mynetworkname is a variable in that example. Replace it with the value of your network's SSID.
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08:08<vortek>so iface wlan0 inet dhcp linksys mynetworkname
08:09<vortek>whats mynetworkname ?
08:09<dr|z3d>The name of _your_ network. We don't know.
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08:10<vortek>my aais ?
08:11<dr|z3d>Yes. Your ssid.
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08:11<vortek>iface wlan0 inet dhcp wireless-ssid linksys ?
08:11<vortek>linksys is my ssid
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08:15<per>hi there!
08:15<dr|z3d>vortek: Try that line, see what gives.
08:16<per>i have a dell optiplex 960 here. i have tried installing i386 on it (daily d-i) and it does not progress beyound booting the kernel.
08:16<per>what can i do?
08:16<dr|z3d>vortek: Then try ifup wlan0
08:17<dr|z3d>per: Short answer. Try another distro.
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08:18<per>dr|z3d: short response. not really that fun now is it? ;-)
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08:21<dr|z3d>per: Slightly longer answer. Try a release, not a snapshot.
08:25<per>dr|z3d: i got at recommendation from debian-boot: try nopat.
08:25<per>dr|z3d: nic does not work with lenny.
08:25<dr|z3d>per: Ah. :)
08:25<vortek>iface wlan0 inet dhcp linksys right?
08:25<vortek>just double checking
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08:29<gsimmons>vortek: "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" and "wireless-ssid linksys", with each on separate lines.
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08:34<vortek>do i need to do anything else ?
08:34<vortek>to get wireless working >?
08:34<vortek>like run acommand?
08:36<gsimmons>vortek: Didn't I supply you with a procedure concerning this five hours ago?
08:36<dr|z3d>vortek: Try ifup wlan0
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08:37<vortek>oh yeh pastezone
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08:43<Cab>hi, problem with sshfs here. I am using it to mount a folder over the net. problem is that when the file is being accessed on one end, it is not getting the read-only status on the other, what makes me fear the files may get corrupt or definetly lose data as it has problem to happen on my tests... Any help?
08:45<locklace>not sure what you expect. unix files can always be read and written concurrently. only way to avoid this is to use locking in the processes that do the accessing
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08:58<nano->How are OSGi components packaged in Debian?
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08:58<nano->Google gives me nothing.
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09:00<azeem_>nano-: what are OSGi components?
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09:13<nano->azeem_: special kind of java libraries..
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09:15<nano->I don't know much about it more than that I need to package osgi components at work soon, and wanted to know if there was any good way of doing it.
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09:22<reeher>Slightly OT, but has anyone heard of the site/software 'openwith'? Their site refers to a lot of FLOSS software, but does not refer to the GPL or a political PoV at all. They seem too good to be true, which makes me immediately suspicious.
09:22<drakeman>Hey guys, i have an interesting question, well, didnt try it before but im planning to upgrade my Nvidia 8400GS for an Nvidia 9400GT, i have to do the whole process specified in debian wiki for nvidia drivers installation? or the new card have to work fine without touching the drivers installations process?
09:23<jm_>drakeman: it should work fine with nvidia driver, for nv check 'man nv' if it supports both
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09:25<petemc>reeher: it looks like they just say "you can open X with Y"
09:25<petemc>where Y is something available at no cost
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09:28<drakeman>jm_ thanks, i remember i use a method that uses m-a a-i nvidia
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09:28<drakeman>in the man nv is the same for nvidia 8400 and 9400
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09:53<vortek>im using the debian windows installer ; kmuto and it wont let me select my linux ext3 partition is odd cuaase its ment to install linux. Any ideas? partition magic senses it though. I want to install it on a linux partition not ntfs. So if you great minds offer me any advice id be much happy
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09:59<bike>huh ,no bffs ( Berkeley Fast File System ) tools for debian?
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09:59<vortek>no but it comes with a bff best freind for ever
09:59<vortek>\aswk dpkg
10:00<vortek>dpkg, bffs
10:00<dpkg>vortek: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
10:00<vortek>dpkg, bff
10:00<dpkg>i haven't a clue, vortek
10:00<vortek>dpkg, Berkeley Fast File System
10:00<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, vortek
10:01<dpkg>ufs is, like, the amazing fs that the enlightened ones use, the file system with stable code, softupdates and other such magic that makes fsck at boot a thing of the past, and ext2fs wince, or all that is a bunch of crap. All the BSDs can be crashed using softupdates, or crashing is only currently...
10:02<petemc>hmm, thats not very useful
10:02<petemc>bffs == ufs
10:02<jpinx-eeepc>if it's so good why is it not inuse everywhere?
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10:11<marga>Hi! I'm noticing that when using gdm with XDMCP in Lenny, only one session shows up in "who", because there's no string in the display column, which is used as a hash index. I'm not sure who's at fault, sending an empty string to the session registration...
10:12<marga>I'm googling the problem without much luck, but I think it should already be reported by now
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10:15<fmr>hum, ksmserver segfault at KDE startup, any suggestion ? (debian sid)
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10:26<Tuplad>I plugged in my phone into my computer to take some pictures off the memory card, but it doesn't get auto mounted. What to do ? :o
10:27<locklace>mount it manually
10:28<Tuplad>locklace: how ? :o lsusb shows it, fdisk -l doesn't
10:28<metalqga>i use a card reader for this (it's easier in the long run)
10:28<petemc>not if your phone does usb-storage
10:29<vortek>any one recomend some advice.. im using the kmuto debian installer with is nice with gfx, however it only shows my win partition, you would think a linux installer would show the linux partition right?
10:29<petemc>vortek: what does it show? empty space?
10:30<locklace>Tuplad: find out what device it appeared as. check dmesg or cat /proc/partitions
10:30<vortek>nothing just my windows partition and to top it off it inly showss the free space hehe
10:30<fmr>strange, i've reinstalled nvidia drivers and it works..
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10:32<Tuplad>oh nevermind! I fixed it
10:32<vortek>how can i get it to recongnize the linux partition .. it runs the installer in windows. do i have to use partition magic and make the partition ntfs so it sees it haha
10:32<Tuplad>cellphone settings > usb settings > work as mass storage
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10:35<dr|z3d>vortek: Try supergrub.
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10:37<vortek>that run inside of windows ?
10:37<petemc>inside of windows?
10:37<vortek>cuase i can just use partition magic if all else fails
10:37<vortek>yeah win32
10:38<vortek>im using kmuto install the graphic version it installs from wintendo and boots to linux
10:39<petemc>it does?
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11:20<Friend_El>debian 5 on Power Mac G5 (dual core) installation stucks on 1% at select and install software. any clues?
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11:23<stuckey>Maybe you could switch to another terminal and check for error output.
11:23<kop>Friend_El: There's always the basics: bad cd.
11:23<kop>stuckey: That's a good idea.
11:23<stuckey>I don't know if that's possible at that stage in the install though... or where you'd look. Perhaps someone else can tell you.
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11:24<kop>Friend_El: Ctrl-Alt-F1 or F2 or F3 IIRC gets you different consoles, some with error output and at least 1 with a shell so you could look at the logs (if any).
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11:29<Friend_El>tried different cds
11:29<Friend_El>base install was ok
11:30<Friend_El>cannot swith terminals on a power pc
11:30<Friend_El>i mean alt + F or ctrl+alt+F does not work
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11:42<Zathraz>Hi, on Debian Lenny I have a perl script in /usr/local/cgi-bin (apache2) and when called a browser does want to download it for some reason. This is regardless if I give it an extension .pl .cgi or none at all. Other perl scripts in the cgi-bin run fine. When I become user www-data I can execute the perl script and it gives me nice HTML output, so for some reason *some* perl scripts do not get executed by apache2. all scripts start with #!/us
11:42<Zathraz>r/bin/perl and nothing particular in logs. Anyone any ideas please?
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11:46<Zathraz>sometimes I get on perl scripts: Premature end of script headers:
11:46<cameloid>I'm trying to install mc (Debian 5 stable for amd64) by Internet and can't download anything. what's wrong?
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11:47<Zathraz>cameloid, do you get an error, if so which one?
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11:49<Zathraz>cameloid, how do you try to install (which tool are you using)?
11:50<Friend_El>cameloid if you are using netinstall make sure your network settings are correct and your machine can access the internet (eventually check the dhcp server)
11:52<cameloid>I typed "apt-get install mc". Ihave something like this: Coudn't connect with ftp.pdn.tu:80 (
11:52<themill>cameloid: shoot your adsl modem/router
11:53<vortek>i got a pIII 996mhz and 256meg of ram and an ati mobility radeon card with 16 megs of ram is this enough to run enlightenment and beryl linux?
11:53<cameloid>But I have access to Internet from another PC through this modem
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11:53<vortek>its adell latitude laptop
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11:54<cameloid>and "ping" works
11:54<petemc>cameloid: that problem seems to be the interaction of linux machines with ipv6 enabled and some routers
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11:54<petemc>its been about for years now too
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11:58<cameloid>my router name is dlink dsl g604-t
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11:59<petemc>change the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf and that should fix it
11:59<dr|z3d>The 604 is a special case, iirc.
12:00<dr|z3d>It implements half-bridge mode on the router, which can royally screw things over if you're not aware.
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12:25<miguel>hmm i installed a pictureviewer via aptitude, but cant remember its name anmore...
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12:28<bike>ok, i got a br0 bridging sl0 and eth2 but it doesnt seem to work very well, any other approaches? routing maybe?
12:28<cameloid>thanks to all. It was problem with internet. ms has installed right now.
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12:29<mojoman>Hi all. I'm configuring a kernel for my Toshiba Satellite Laptop running Debian Sid. I'm using xconfig and need to add the 3c589_cs module for my ethernet card. I can't find the damned module. It shows up on the search function but when I click on it it doesn't jump to the entry in xconfig. Anyone have any ideas of what can be wrong? Have I unchecked something it depends on so it can't be shown? If so, what might it be? The card does
12:29<mojoman>n't show up under pcmcia-card (where I would assume it was), nor under ethernet devices.
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12:46<flexy>I updated my laptop and booted it after two weeks of uptime. Now the touchpad does not react to tapping. Or scrolling. And keyboard shortcut alt+F2 (which should mean change to workspace #2) is bringing up run program dialog. Despite of having it correctly set in system - preferences - keyboard shortcuts
12:48<flexy>bug? user malfunction? I'm running squeeze
12:49<dr|z3d>flexy: Alt+F2 = run. ctrl+alt+f2.. different.
12:50<flexy>as I said, I have configures ages ago alt+F? mean that change to workspace ?
12:51<flexy>It has worked years, now it started to bring up the run program dialog
12:51<dr|z3d>That's standard fare for switching tty's.
12:51<flexy>yes, but still
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12:52<flexy>if it is configured in system-preferences-keyboard shortcuts, it should work, should it not?
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12:52<flexy>no, I'm not talking about virtual terminals
12:52<flexy>but the work spaces in X
12:52<zem_>what's the default driver for ati? (like nv for nvidia)
12:53<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
12:53<dr|z3d>flexy: afaik, ctrl+alt+f1-7 is pretty much hard coded into Linux, not bound by X.
12:54<flexy>yes, ctrl+alt+f1-7 are working as should, I can change from text terminals to X (f7)
12:54<flexy>but I'm not talking about that
12:54<flexy>alt+f1-6 are configured as "change workspace" in X
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12:55<flexy>I have it configured so
12:55<dr|z3d>then you have a conflict.
12:55<flexy>I have six work spaces, tables, or what ever they are called
12:55<dr|z3d>because, again, alt+f2 is in Linux's genes.
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12:55<flexy>well, it was not in there 2 weeks ago. or 2 years ago
12:56<flexy>if it is now, it's just gotten there
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12:56<dr|z3d>Then recheck your keyboard mappings.. sounds like an update might have borked them.
12:57<flexy>alt+f2 was configured as the run dialog, but it was configurable to other stuff, so I configured it to change to workspace 2, years ago. It has worked the way I like for years now
12:58<flexy>yes, I have checked, from system-preferences-keyboard shortcuts. They are listed as I want them to be. But still, alt+F2 is bringing up the run dialog and not showing the workspace number 2
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12:58<Tojo> IHi everyon! i was wondering how can u cahnhange the shorcut in rodCTRML+SHIALT+RETRURN shorcut in roorder to reboot ur seession...
12:59<flexy>so, update has not owerwritten my setup, my setup is just ignored right now, but only with the alt+F2, F1,F3-F6 are working as they should
12:59*themill wonders what broken irc client Tojo is using
13:00*flexy too
13:00<dr|z3d>Wow. I think he's on terminal something or other. *chuckle*
13:00<bike>hrhr ctrl shait return :D
13:00<locklace>could be worse. could be ms comic chat
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13:01<bja> clear
13:01<max>is there any one who uses free software?
13:02<flexy>we all pay for linux
13:02<dr|z3d>max: You're in #debian. Get a clue.
13:02<bja>dpkg: tell max about es
13:03<max>of course
13:03<max>i need to know is there a free or open driver for bcm4328?
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13:03<dr|z3d>Ask that question in #windows if you want a considered response.
13:04<dr|z3d>Here, we'll just laugh at you. :)
13:04<bja>max: dpkg sent you a message
13:04<dr|z3d>max: Try ndis-wrapper.
13:04<bja>then go there
13:04<max>i rather free software
13:04<dr|z3d>That'll allow you to load windows drivers in Linux.
13:04<max>no propietary
13:04<bja>bcm4328 is indeed supported in debian
13:04<max>but is not free
13:05<max>free software
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13:05<dr|z3d>Change your hardware then.
13:05<max>i knew that
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13:05<dr|z3d>or code your own driver.
13:05<dr|z3d>Whatever suits. :)
13:05<max>see ya
13:05<flexy>I have gnome as a desktop... how can I disable the alt+F2 run dialog keyboard shortcut?
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13:06<themill>flexy: does remapping to something else will work?
13:06<bike>baaah! brctl addif br0 sl0 can't add sl0 to bridge br0: Invalid argument
13:07<Tojo> thatu bet !#help
13:07<flexy>themill: no, I have it configured in keyboard shortcuts to something else, but that setting is ignored
13:07<themill>flexy: have you configured some other shortcut to be "Run" though?
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13:08<flexy>themill: no... hmmm. perhaps I should try it?
13:08<padawan>Bonjour à tous
13:08<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
13:08<padawan>and sorry
13:08<dr|z3d>De rien, et pas de probleme. :)
13:09<bja>c'est pas un probleme.:)
13:10<dr|z3d>Non, c'est pas une probleme tampoco. :)
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13:10<flexy>themill: thanks. that helped. some update "broke" a long working setup... :) It was set as disabled in kb shortcuts...
13:11<flexy>next problem: touchpad has stopped to accept tap as button press?
13:11<zem_>is ati radeon 9550 prior to r600? :/
13:12<ichdasich>zem_: ack
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13:13<bja>I am having some isues with my touchpad, is there only the synaptics touchpad driver available or am i missing some other one?
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13:13<ichdasich>zem_: i confirm your statement/question.
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13:13<zem_>so... should i install radeon or radeonhd then?
13:13<dr|z3d>bja: you got the xorg synaptic driver installed, right?
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13:14<ichdasich>zem_: radeon
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13:16<bja>I get this message suddenly -!- Irssi: Pasting 171 lines to #debian. Press Ctrl-K if you wish to do this or Ctrl-C to cancel. Most of the times i cancel them but sometimes it just pastes the lines
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13:17<dr|z3d>bja: you probably accidentally pasted a buffer from somewhere.
13:18<xente>has anyone here upgraded to the latest packages in squeeze and uses gnome?
13:18<tanoor_>I have a question about postfix with mysql + sasl auth
13:18<flexy>xente: yes
13:18<xente>flexy: did your desktop become inaccessible?
13:18<bja>Mostly it is the same window that i am working on the moment, It selects a bunch of stuff and then it wants to paste it wherever i am
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13:19<flexy>xente: no, but I lost my touchpads tapping and rolling
13:19<xente>flexy: I lost that on my laptop also
13:19<bja>i want to loose that on mine
13:19<flexy>bja: update to squeeze ;)
13:19<flexy>or downgrade
13:19<xente>bja: you can put options in your xorg.conf to disable tapping and scrolling
13:20<flexy>xente: what should I have in xorg.conf to enable those? I have not changed anything in there a long time, so I can't tell...
13:20<bja>xente: the option is -> Option "MaxTapTime" "0" and it is set, but ocasionally the driver just becomes crazy
13:21<xente>flexy: that's the problem, I don't know how to enable them....
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13:21<bja>flexy: try putting a number other than 0 on the option i pasted
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13:22<flexy>xente: hmmm... I have not changed the xorg.conf in almost a month. yet, tapping and scrolling stopped to function after upgrade and boot.
13:22<bja>flexy: there is also "MaxDoubleTapTime" try putting something i there also
13:22<flexy>bja: is there a way to read the conf file without restarting X?
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13:23<bja>flexy: less /etc/X11/xorg.conf
13:23<flexy>heh :D
13:23<locklace>!beer bja
13:23*dpkg pours a quart of Yuengling Lager for bja
13:23<flexy>I meant, to get X to read it, without restarting X ;)
13:24<bja>or whatever editor you want, remember you have to be root to save the changes and do a backup incase you scew up
13:24<bja>locklace: thx :)
13:24<flexy>less isn't actually an editor, is it?
13:25<dr|z3d>man less
13:25<bja>flexy: less is a pager
13:25<flexy>I'll restart X to see if that helps... brb
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13:28<flexy>nope, did not help
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13:29<bja>How do I force the synaptic driver to reconnect. It seems it is loosing sync at byte1
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13:30<locklace>flexy: my money for the culprit is on hal
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13:31<flexy>locklace: what's this in xorg.log: (II) config/hal: Adding input device Macintosh mouse button emulation
13:31<flexy>this ain't macintosh machine...
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13:31<locklace>!win locklace
13:31<dpkg>Congratulations, locklace! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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13:32<flexy>oh, I see... hal. :)
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13:32<flexy>is there a config file to tamper with?
13:32<locklace>if you have to configure hal, you're fucked
13:33<flexy>locklace: it also finds synaptics touchpad
13:33<locklace>!dbugs 515214
13:33<dpkg>#515214:W[xserver-xorg] X can run perfectly well (or even better) without HAL. Please make this a Recommends: at most (patch wontfix); Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:15:01 UTC []
13:33<valdyn>flexy: theres no need to disable mac mouse simlation
13:33<valdyn>flexy: which might be why its on by default
13:34<locklace>flexy: might be of some help, especially the "disabling hal" part
13:34<flexy>valdyn: ok. I'm just wondering what fucked the touchpad after upgrades...
13:35<flexy>locklace: hal is hardware abstraction layer?
13:35<flexy>is it good for anything? :)
13:35<dpkg>HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is project, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine present hardware and be notified of its changes. #hal on
13:36<flexy>ok, bedtime reading :)
13:37<themill>!xorg hal
13:37<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, Xorg uses <hal> for configuration. You can now change the configuration for your mouse pointers etc without having to restart X and you don't need to configure the keyboard layout for console and X separately. This vastly reduces the amount of code duplication between kernel and Xorg which reduces the amount of "bloat"; why should Xorg try to work out what devices are attached when the kernel already knows?
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13:37<xente>so, my gnome won't show desktop icons nor will it let me right-click on it. anyone else have this problem?
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13:38<flexy>so it should be good. less bloat is allways better? :)
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13:39<dr|z3d>flexy: Tell that to a scrum player. ;)
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13:39<xente>i guess that's a no
13:40<locklace>flexy: only problem is, hal's design sucks--according to, for example, its designer
13:40<dr|z3d>xente: You're probably not loading gnome's desktop module.
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13:40<xente>dr|z3d: how can I check that?
13:40<dpkg>i heard devicekit is a new hardware abstraction layer developed by the people at to replace and correct the perceived shortcomings of HAL (and to use software with a cooler name).
13:40<dr|z3d>xente: What happens if you try and run gnome-desktop?
13:40<dr|z3d>xente: ps -e |grep gnome
13:41<dr|z3d>See if mention of desktop is there.
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13:41<xente>dr|z3d: it was nautilus
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13:41<dr|z3d>xente: Round about now's the time I ask if you've considered Xfce? :)
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13:41<xente>dr|z3d: sometimes...why would you recommend it?
13:42<dr|z3d>xente: Why? It's as aesthtically pleasing as Gnome, it's a lot lighter on your cpu, and it can happily use Gnome components. Oh, and it's also GTK based, so it's a perfect swapin for Gnome.
13:43<xente>dr|z3d: perhaps I will try it
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13:43*dr|z3d smiles.
13:43<flexy>dr|z3d: I might do that also...
13:44<dr|z3d>flexy: I'd recommend Xfce to _any_ Gnome user.
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13:44<valdyn>dr|z3d: theres no savings if you use xfce with gnome programs
13:44<dr|z3d>if you're used to Gnome, you won't feel out of place using Xfce. At all.
13:44<dr|z3d>valdyn: Well, there is. You still have a lighter DE. :)
13:45<valdyn>dr|z3d: a lighter wm?
13:45<valdyn>dr|z3d: panel?
13:45<valdyn>dr|z3d: i think id load more shared libraries
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13:45<dr|z3d>valdyn: panel, desktop, session manager, applets, whatever you care to mention. :)
13:46<dr|z3d>Oh, and let's not forget the compositing engine. :)
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13:46<xente>xfce has its own compositing engine?
13:46<dr|z3d>It does. And it's very lightweight, runs fine on older hardware.
13:47<valdyn>whatever de i use seems to be dwarfed by the apps i run
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13:47<flexy>oh, compositing engine? Is that what enables 3d desktop?
13:48<valdyn>flexy: not exactly
13:48<dr|z3d>flexy: In Xfce, no, not quite. It's not Compiz, although you can use Xfce and Compiz together. It enables things like shadows, alpha-blended corners..
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13:48<valdyn>flexy: the 3D desktop requires compositing, but thats not all it needs
13:48<xente>is it enabled by default or do you have to explicitly load it like compiz?
13:48<dr|z3d>It's a single tickbox to enable permenantly.
13:49<dr|z3d>Not enabled by default, though.
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13:50<valdyn>metacities compiste is well hidden ;)
13:50<dr|z3d>Settings -> Window Manager Tweaks -> Compositing.
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13:53<sney>hmm, sound stopped working
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13:53<sney>everything's hooked up, the correct modules are loaded, nothing is muted and yet..
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13:57<sney>ah, I see, it thinks my pc speaker is the default sound card.
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14:01<xente>speaking of compositing, does anyone know how to get those window shadows in compiz?
14:02<stuckey>How can I tell if a package is broken in sid?
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14:02<bja>dpkg: tell stuckey about bts
14:03<dr|z3d>xente: Install one of the compiz configurators.
14:03<dr|z3d>xente: compizconfig-settings-manager for example.
14:03<stuckey>bja: how do I run listbugs?
14:04<stuckey>I installed it, but I've no idea of the name to run it. It isn't listbugs
14:05<bja>stuckey: dpkg -L listbugs should give you all the files in listbugs, search within till you find something useful
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14:05<stuckey>I've been trying to install anjuta for a while now but aptitude always tells me it's broken.
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14:05<stuckey>bja: No packages found matching listbugs.
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14:06<bja>stuckey: apt-get install apt-listbugs
14:06<stuckey>bja: already installed
14:07<bja>stuckey: Use your little brain to solve the puzzle out, please
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14:08<stuckey>rtorrent version and nvidia drivers
14:08<sney>!tell stuckey about tum
14:09<stuckey>Is it okay to install something out of testing when it's broken in sid?
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14:10<sney>it's really best to do it the other way around, but, um, maybe?
14:10<sney>sid is more or less guaranteed to be at least slightly broken
14:10<sney>so I'm not sure if installing testing packages on sid would break things more, or less, or what
14:10<sney>either way it's a hairy situation
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14:36<Cab>what does notify.tdb files do?
14:36<Cab>is it safe to delete?
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14:44<sepski>anyone know how i can match a < or a > in the begining of a string ? using a regex in a bash script case statement ? basicaly i am tring to use a diff as input to my script.
14:45<raylu>i installed stable from a liveusb netinstall (made with unetbootin) and wanted testing. i changed my sources.list from lenny->testing and removed volatile. is there anything else i should do? my sources.list now only contains the main archive and security
14:45<raylu>sepski: ^(<|>)
14:45<dkr>sepski: you also might want to explore the options to diff. likely one can give you the output you want
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14:49<sepski>dkr, i kinda have the format i want, i just want to do differnt things with different lines in a case statement, but fail
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14:50<sepski>raylu, ask dpkg in msg about stable->testing and he gives a few more hints
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14:52<sepski>raylu, trying your suggesting but can not get it to match. (as a case conditional)
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14:57<raylu>sepski: thanks
14:57<raylu>sepski: try ^(\<|\>)
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14:59<stuckey>sney: so the basic benefit I get by running testing and installing things from sid is that testing doesn't have broken packages?
15:00<sney>right. well, sometimes it does. but for the most part testing is usable, while sid isn't
15:00<sney>and if you're using testing, we'll support it in here
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15:00<stuckey>I've been using sid for a while and it has been usable for me... except for the broken package with anjuta
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15:00<sney>you got lucky then
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15:00<sepski>stuckey, testing have packages that have been tested a little. with sid you get to do the testing.
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15:02<sepski>raylu, thanks
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15:02<stuckey>Yeah but if I'm pulling stuff out of sid since I need newer stuff, isn't that just as bad as running sid?
15:03<sney>no, because you're running a testing kernel and testing libc and testing apt etc
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15:03<sney>the core stuff that you need to keep your system running is more stable
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15:04<stuckey>The kernel in sid in .30; the latest stable according to is .31.2.
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15:05<sney>last I checked the debian binary kernels don't come from, and neither do the debian initrd images
15:05<themill>stuckey: then do the work to package it up and get it into sid
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15:06<sney>if you want to run cutting edge for no reason other than to have higher numbers, you can use sid, but don't expect help
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15:06<stuckey>In stating that I merly meant to point out that the version in sid would seem more stable that you implied.
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15:07<themill>the kernel is not a good example of that considering how much work it takes to get it packaged up
15:08<themill>Note also that the kernel packages in sid and squeeze are different
15:08<sney>"stable" according to Torvalds & Co and "stable" according to debian are different animals
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15:09<cahoot>.31.2 110mins old already
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15:14<stuckey>If you run testing, and you install something from sid, and the dependencies overlap with stuff you've got in testing already, and they're of a higher number, they will be upgraded, right?
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15:19<Takhiarel>hellooooo, can I ask a question ?
15:20<chealer>stuckey: no
15:20<Takhiarel>oooh too bad
15:20<slush>anyone here knows an alternative for midpssh ?
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15:20<petemc>Takhiarel: if its about debian, of course you can
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15:21<Takhiarel>in fact, i want to install debian on a 64-bit architecture, what DVD do i download ?
15:21<Takhiarel>even if it is an intel ?
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15:21<Takhiarel>(core 2 duo)
15:22<Takhiarel>oh, ok
15:22<Takhiarel>i thought about dling the ia64
15:22<dr|z3d>Takhiarel: You can install either 32bit or 64bit.
15:22<Takhiarel>good thing i asked
15:22<petemc>you can do the install with a smaller iso and grab everything else you need from the net
15:22<Takhiarel>yes i know, but i want to give it a try
15:22<dr|z3d>Takhiarel: If you want an easier life, and you're packing <4GB, then you might find i386 preferrable.
15:22<Takhiarel>and i don't have any cd ^^
15:23<Takhiarel>... maybe, i'll see
15:23<petemc>you can use a usb stick
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15:23<Takhiarel>i can't do a netinstall for now
15:23<petemc>fair enough
15:24<kop>dr|z3d: I've not had a problem with 64bit, why is 32bit easier?
15:24<Takhiarel>in fact, lately i've been trying several distributions
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15:24<Takhiarel>fedora ( <3 ), ubuntu, DSLinux, etc
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15:25<Takhiarel>ok, thanks a lot people
15:25<Takhiarel>im dling right now
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15:34<raylu>kop: more people care about 32-bit, so slightly less chance of breakage. non-free stuff like flash also plays nicer with 32-bit
15:35<petemc>seemingly most things work now tho
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15:35<dr|z3d>kop: Yeah, what raylu said. Basically, 64bit is still pretty experimental on the desktop, not so much on the serverside.
15:36<raylu>indeed. i've been on 64-bit (on 2GB of ram) for a while now with no issues
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15:36<dr|z3d>64bit is in ascendance, though.. it's becoming more widely used on the desktop every minute.
15:37<marcowitsch>Good evening! I installed wine 1.1.30 how do I downgrade to 1.0.1 correctly?
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15:38<dr|z3d>marcowitsch: Uninstall Wine first, install the older version, presumably from a .deb
15:38<adb>judd, versions wine
15:38<judd>adb: wine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1 etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.0.1-1 sid: 1.0.1-2 squeeze: 1.0.1-2 experimental: 1.1.24-2
15:38<dr|z3d>Or the other way around, if you've installed from .deb.
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15:40<marcowitsch>dr|z3d: I used aptitude. Doesn't it automatically try to update, if I run aptitude safe-upgrade again? But I'll try. Thank you.
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15:44<dr|z3d>marcowitsch: In which case, you may need to install via deb and then pin.
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15:48<marcowitsch>dr|z3d: Sorry, I don't understand. What do you mean with: "... and then pin."
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15:49<dr|z3d>marcowitsch: You can "pin" an app so it doesn't get upgraded when you update.
15:49<marcowitsch>dr|z3d: Ok, I understand.
15:49<dr|z3d>Synaptic is the easiest way to do that.
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15:50<adb>hold ..
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16:01<johnfg>hi folks
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16:02<xente>hello again, is there a way to get evolution into the taskbar?
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16:02<johnfg>I needed to disable NetworkManager so openldap would work properly for authentication. However, I must not have networking set up quite right, at least as the startup.
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16:02<johnfg>What's the command or how do I configure /etc/init.d/networking to start at bootup?
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16:03<johnfg>In /etc/network/interfaces I have (besides loopback) iface eth0 inet dhcp.
16:03<johnfg>Is this okay?
16:04<xente>if you want to do dhcp on eth0
16:04<dr|z3d>That's your wired ethernet, johnfg.
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16:05<johnfg>dr|z3d, Right. So how do I get this going at bootup
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16:05<dr|z3d>johnfg: Got DHCP configured on your router?
16:05<xente>it should, eh?
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16:06<johnfg>Yup. Everything worked fine with NetworkManager, and it works fine with my other distros. I think I just need to know the command , probably something either with init.d or update-rc.d.
16:07<adama>johnfg: you need to put auto eth0 in the interfaces file
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16:08<dr|z3d>johnfg: ifup eth0 and/or /etc/init.d/networking (re)start
16:08<adama>xente: right-click evolution in the menu and choose add this launcher to panel
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16:09<dr|z3d>johnfg: Do that do anything for you?
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16:09<johnfg>adama, Hooray! That's it!
16:09<adama>I know :)
16:09<dr|z3d>What was?
16:09<chealer>johnfg: so /etc/init.d/networking doesn't start at bootup?
16:09*dr|z3d chuckles.
16:09<adama>dr|z3d: auto eth0
16:09<dr|z3d>adama: Ah. Well done! :)
16:10<xente>adama: I don't want it just there as a shortcut, what I mean is that I want it to be in the notification you know how to do this?
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16:10<johnfg>dr|z3d, chealer, and adama I just didn't have the auto eth0 in the interfaces, and the other, for now, I had done, i.e. I manually started the network with ifup ethp, and /etc/init.d/networking restart.
16:10<dr|z3d>xente: You might need a separate applet for that.
16:11<dr|z3d>xente: And check Evolution's options.. might be something therein.
16:11<johnfg>Thanks for the help guys.
16:11<adama>xente: there is something for that in the Evolution Plugins iirc
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16:12<chealer>johnfg: uh... so /etc/init.d/networking actually starts at bootup?
16:12<adama>johnfg: you may want to put allow-hotplug eth0 instead.
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16:12<johnfg>adama, Why?
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16:13<johnfg>chealer, I'm not sure until I reboot, but I'm sure not having auto or allow-hotplug eth0, was my problem.
16:13<johnfg>adama, Why would I want allow-hotplug?
16:13<adama>allow-hotplug will do DHCP request when you plug in a cable, not just on bootup
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16:15<xente>I always wondered what allow-hotplug does...thanks
16:15<johnfg>adama, I looked, and interfaces already had the allow-hotplug. Let me reboot quick and see if all goes well.
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16:20<adama>johnfg: apparently allow-hotplug may not work during bootup, auto is better.
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16:22<dr|z3d>Yeah, I can't see much point in hot-plug, for most use cases, at least where a single system is expected to stay plugged in and on a single ip.
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16:23<adama>yeah allow-hotplug is for laptops
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16:40<Darkedge>Compiz is slowing down my computer like hell, I'm using an Intel Video Card, Does that change anything?
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16:48<metalqga>Daredge: intel had the least problems with compiz
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17:06<cozzie>Hello, what is installed when I select 'Desktop' during the installation process please.
17:09<cozzie>A link would be very appreciated :p
17:10<chealer>cozzie: the tasksel desktop task
17:10<Nemoder>xorg xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all desktop-base menu iceweasel
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17:12<adb>+ gnome ?
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17:12<Nemoder>desktop-base suggests gnome
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17:14<cozzie>Thanks guys
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17:22<setog3>do you know some app on debian to learn neuroanatomy ? I have see a package about cognitive science but nothing about medicine
17:23<adb>setog3, install apt-file and search whit it
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17:24<Squelos>i recently installed debian on my laptop.
17:24<Squelos>The wireless doesnt seem to be recognized, nor the GPU.
17:24<Squelos>how can i be sure of this ?
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17:28<bja>Squelos: iwconfig should read the wifi extensions of your card
17:29<Squelos>ok thanks.
17:30<Squelos>concerning the graphics, on the hp site, there seems to be 2 GPU's O.O
17:30<Nemoder>xorg should fall back to a usable driver if not check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
17:30<Squelos>Carte graphique 01
17:30<Squelos> Mobile™ Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator X4500 HD
17:30<Squelos>Carte graphique 02
17:30<Squelos> ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4330
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17:30<Squelos>nemoder, i never installed a driver :).
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17:31<Squelos>iwconfig : command not found :) Something is missing i think :)
17:31<bja>Squelos: as root
17:31<Squelos>oh yeah sorry. Im a bit tired
17:32<bja>or /sbin/iwconfig
17:32<Squelos>lo no wireless extension eth0 no wireless extension
17:32<bja>is your wireless turned on?
17:33<Squelos>yes, the blue light is on (on then orange is off).
17:33<chealer>Squelos: what do you mean by wireless not being recognized?
17:33<bja>You have no wireless driver, you need to get your cards chipset and act accordingly
17:34<Squelos>well i dunno. I was expecting to find something to configure the wireless thing to connect myself to a network.
17:34<Squelos>ok, ill try and do so bja.
17:34<Squelos>im trying to install my gpus drivers, but i cant find them !
17:34<Squelos>its a mobility radeon 4330
17:34<Squelos>ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4330
17:34<bja>Squelos: sorry nvidia on this side :(
17:35<Jerryclunsford>I am running Debian Lenny. I have not yet installed a firewall. On install I had Apache webserver installed along with a mail and ftp server. is there anything that will block ports 8080, 8000, 8888. I am trying to set up the webserver and opened the ports in the speedstream 4200 modem router but checking from outside requests to these ports are refused.
17:35<Squelos>will the hd 4350 drivers do it ?
17:36<Nemoder>Jerryclunsford: did you tell apache to listen on those ports?
17:36<adama>Jerryclunsford: does it work from local requests?
17:36<Jerryclunsford>it does
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17:37<Squelos>thanks nemoder. I was looking for the drivers on the ati website. But i dont seem to be able to find them :/
17:37<Jerryclunsford>have to put in the port # with requests
17:37<Nemoder>Jerryclunsford: you could run something like wireshark to see if the requests are making it past the router
17:38<adama>Jerryclunsford: do the requests work from other hosts on your local network?
17:38<Jerryclunsford>Yes works fine if I put in the port number
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17:38<Jerryclunsford>Local host works on the server
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17:39<chealer>Squelos: well, your question is pretty vague
17:39<Nemoder>sounds like your router isn't forwarding the ports properly
17:39<Squelos>chealer ? concerning the wireless ? or the GPU drivers ?
17:39<Jerryclunsford>possibly I've read alot about problems with the 4200
17:40<chealer>Squelos: both wireless and the GPU
17:40<Nemoder>Jerryclunsford: verify that you are forwarding to the right IP and that it's the right protocol and port, failing that replace the router :)
17:40<Squelos>oh, yeah, im not too familiar with english.
17:41<Squelos>And er, does anyone know some software to burn lightscribe discs ? :p
17:41<Jerryclunsford>Wher can I get wireshark is it a debian package. I'm new to linux and don't know too much yet
17:41<Jerryclunsford>protocol is tcp and the Ip address is good for the computer
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17:43<Squelos>here, ill try and get the fglrx drivers working :)
17:43<Nemoder>Jerryclunsford: aptitude install wireshark
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17:44<Jerryclunsford>thank you
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17:48<Darkedge>Here's the rap, When I do Compiz --replace except It makes my comp. slow, Even if it's not drawing anything, Any ideas, I'm using an Intel Chipset...
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17:49<padawan>Hi every body
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17:51<Jerryclunsford>I suppose that if the port forwarding isn't working there won't de any thing in wireshark after the capture.
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17:52<padawan>I'm installing a mail server with postfix+ courier-imap + authentification with sasl and mysql
17:52<Yonut27>I am clueless of how to do this, so I need someone to point me in a good starting point. I have a script that does some calculations to my bandwidth usage for the month. I would like to display the stat on my Desktop panel. It would just be text read from a file. How to do this?
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17:53<Jerryclunsford>Nemoder: tcp is the correct protocol?
17:53<padawan>I'm trying to understand a parameter named "smtpd_sasl_local_domain"
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17:55<Nemoder>Jerryclunsford: for http yes
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18:01<seeS>i dont use that parameter myself
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18:02<padawan>sees were you ansered to my question?
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18:02<seeS>what was the specific question? what the parameter does?
18:03<padawan>that was my question
18:03<padawan>I wanted to know what it was exactly doing
18:03<seeS>it sets the realm of the sasl database
18:03<ZitZ>does someone have an idea of what the lirc device would be for the receiver of my media center remote?
18:04<padawan>that was not correctly clean in my mind
18:04<padawan>does realm means domain?
18:04<seeS>so, if smtpd_sasl_local_domain=blah then when you use saslpasswd -u blah
18:04<ZitZ>as in what it is name lice /dev/foo?
18:04<seeS>its usually your mailservers hostname
18:04<seeS>like a domain yes
18:05<padawan>oki cause it was set like this smtpd_sasl_localdomain=$mydomain
18:05<seeS>that would be a fair default too
18:05<padawan>The fact is
18:05<padawan>that all my authentifications failed
18:06<padawan>and i think it's because i was doing sasl + mysql auth
18:06<seeS>do you know why, like at which step?
18:06<padawan>when i authenticate with thunderbird
18:06<padawan>giving my username and password
18:07<seeS>for example, the database, is the mailserver chrooting so it cannot get to the socket?
18:07<padawan>no chroot
18:07<padawan>but i my database
18:07<padawan>the table containing informations
18:07<padawan>only store username and password
18:07<padawan>not domain
18:08<padawan>the domain is stored on another table
18:08<seeS>is there some sort of link?
18:08<padawan>what do U mean?
18:08<seeS>one table referencing another
18:09<padawan>yes there's a foreign key
18:09<padawan>but in the conf file
18:09<padawan>the query does not follow this link
18:09<padawan>it only query the table containing username and password
18:09<seeS>ok, right the conf file has the specific query?
18:09<padawan>oh may be i could
18:09<padawan>enter the domain
18:09<padawan>in the username field
18:10<padawan>but it seems strange has information would be duplicated
18:10<padawan>has information => as information
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18:10<seeS>ive only done sasl with files myself. but if it is doing a direct query with a sql statement then its sort-of bypassing it all really
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18:13<padawan>sees thanks, i 'll just let this parameter empty
18:13<seeS>actually i have done using databases but it was via pam on postfix
18:13<seeS>parameter empty may work
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18:13<seeS>also check how its encrypted
18:13<padawan>I guess it's just more accurate
18:14<padawan>what do U mean by your last question?
18:14<seeS>the various types of authentication
18:14<seeS>cram-md5 digest-md5
18:14<padawan>plan login
18:14<padawan>plain login
18:15<seeS>that's the simplest
18:15<padawan>Thanks a lot sees
18:15<padawan>talking to you make things less confusing for me
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18:27<jonf-tle>Hey guys, I have my root drive on an encrypted lvm partition, and every 23 times I restart, it forces a disk check. Is there any way to stop this functionality?
18:27<dondelelcaro>jonf-tle: man tune2fs; though honestly, you do want to check it occasionally
18:28<jonf-tle>dondelelcaro: Understood. I was just wondering if it was a problem. If it's normal, I'll just read the man pages and go about my day
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18:35<jonf-tle>dondelelcaro: thanks for the info, that's a handy little utility
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19:08<dpkg><stoned> I dunno why I did what I did yesterday <stoned> I deleted my debian partitios on my desktop, and installed NTFS/xp/visual studio and now I'm going... FUCK. Shouldnt've done that
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19:10<adb><Rezagrats> Who writes the installation guides?! <abrotman> monkeys?
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20:07<freemii>please can any one here help me with uk bank login
20:07<freemii>please can any one here help me with uk bank login
20:07<freemii>please can any one here help me with uk bank login
20:08<dondelelcaro>freemii: we have nothing to do with banks in the UK
20:09<bja>If you want me to wipe your account clean, I'll gladly comply if you hand me you username and password :-=
20:10<adb>hmm , freemii don't pm me . he is a bot
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20:14<dpkg><mhall> sanmarcos: i'm beginning to wonder about the size of the clue-free zone in which you live <sanmarcos> mhall: huh? <sanmarcos> clue-free ? <sanmarcos> i.e "have no clue"
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20:17<freemii>please can any one here help me with uk bank login
20:17<freemii>please can any one here help me with uk bank login
20:17<freemii>please can any one here help me with uk bank login
20:17<freemii>please can any one here help me with uk bank login
20:17<cdlu>your own or someone else's?
20:18<bja>cdlu: I have the strong feeling that either freemii is a bot or a spammer
20:18<X-LP>its from nigeria
20:18<cdlu>bja, I have a similar impression. just wanted to provide the benefit of the doubt before having a chat with OperServ. :)
20:18<dr|z3d>Might be looking for love and romance, 419 style.
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20:19<cdlu>operserv agreed.
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20:22<bja>cdlu: thx
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20:59<vesper>hi all
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22:38<juanfer>!seen anibal
22:38<dpkg>anibal <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 116d 4h 29m 39s ago, saying: 'nsadmin, hm, thanks, I'll have a look at that'.
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22:45<astronut>can anyone recommend a good 3d space combat game?
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22:48<eljefe>how can i connect KDEnlive to the firewire? what do i need to do to make it readable by my user account?
22:50<eljefe>running Sid, kde 4.3.1...
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22:57<Gun_Smoke>astronut, playable in linux?
22:58<happydufus>astronut: oolite, a trading/combat game in the elite style
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23:03<rudi_s>astronut: Vega Strike <> (should work on linux)
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23:07<astronut>Gun_Smoke: duh?
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23:08<Gun_Smoke>astronut, Actually it was not implied. The amount of crap that comes across channels is amazing.
23:09<astronut>happydufus: looking for flight-simish not RPG style, FPS if possible
23:10<astronut>something along the lines of the old tie-fighter game or descent3
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23:11<Gun_Smoke>descent was cool..
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23:12<happydufus>astronut: fir enough - oolite is a mix of styles (as was Elite)
23:12<Gun_Smoke>astronut, although not space combat. I enjoy ysflight
23:12<happydufus>*fir* fair
23:12<astronut>W: Unable to locate package ysflight
23:12<Gun_Smoke>yeah, that part of it sucks.
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23:13<astronut>wow, MS flgiht sim had better graphics than that on my old mac classic (predates windows 3.1.1)
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23:15<Gun_Smoke>astronut, did you d/l it?
23:15<astronut>found screenshot on the site
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23:16<Gun_Smoke>game play is nice.
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