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---Logopened Tue Oct 06 00:00:45 2009
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00:14<Prathibha>Nearly at the end of installation, a message got asking to insert a DVD-ROM. In syslog I found this message."Oct 2 14:04:50 load-install-cd: E: Failed to mount the cdrom.
00:14<Prathibha>Oct 2 14:04:50 load-install-cd: umount: cannot umount /target/cdrom/: Invalid argument"
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00:24<eljefe>can anyone help me get my firewire working? kdenlive cannot seem to read /dev/fw0 and i cannot find the raw1394 modules
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00:31<eljefe>ln -s /dev/fw0 /dev/raw1394 seems to have done it
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00:36<kop>eljefe: zless /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html You want one that makes that symlink for you.
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00:38<nghia>hello i'm a linux newbe looking for help with my vgn-fs980
00:38<eljefe>what is that?
00:38<nghia>it's a sony vaio
00:38<nghia>having issues with wifi ofcourse
00:38<Prathibha>I downloaded the debian lenny pool in February. I want to update my pool with latest lenny packages. How can I do it?
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00:40<dpkg>well, debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or, see also <debmirror>, <mirror size>
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00:42<gsimmons>nghia: What specific help do you require?
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02:08<anoop>while compiling a 2.6 kernel, i got this error
02:09<anoop>what went wrong
02:10<anoop>hello room
02:11<seeS>not seen that one before
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03:39<nikk>hi to all
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03:39<nikk>i cannot install mysql 4.1 on debian?
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03:48<chealer>nikk: not easily on current releases, no
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03:56<peej>I want to assign an ip address on eth0 (on my box) via dhcpd (on my box) with no ethernet cable plugged in. I get a message from dhcpd that I have no listening interfaces (even though eth0 is up). Is this fixable with a config option?
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04:50<Unaided>anyone have running Songbird in Debian Lenny?
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04:55<Bergerac-Fleur>hi guys, just curious... who is squeeze in toy story?
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05:02<jstein>what can i do when aptitude returns this error: /etc/environment: line 1: en_US.UTF-8: command not found
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05:03<locklace>": > /etc/environment" maybe
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05:07<jstein>what is ": > " ?
05:07<locklace>just truncates the file
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05:11<Bergerac-Fleur>locklace, oooh... I thought testing was wheezy.
05:12<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. Expected to be released in early 2010, see
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05:16<Bergerac-Fleur>I see... thanks again ;)
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05:57<tuxcraft1r>hi all where can i find documenation about the RAMRUN and RAMLOCK in the /etc/defaults/rcS
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05:59<tuxcrafter> man rcS
05:59<tuxcrafter>nevermind ..
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06:06<peej_>I want to assign an ip address on eth0 (on my box) via dhcpd (on my box) with no ethernet cable plugged in. I get a message from dhcpd that I have no listening interfaces (even though eth0 is up). Is this fixable with a config option?
06:07<azeem>peej_: why?
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06:10<peej_>It's a bit of a test case actually. I want to assign ips to virtual machines connected via a bridge/tun/tap and I was wondering if I can use dhcpd for that. So this was the first step. I could be clueless, of course.
06:10<azeem>peej_: dhcp is a protocol
06:12<peej_>You can assign an ip address to a non-connected eth0 without dhcp
06:12<petemc>dhcp can work fine between host and guest
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06:15<azeem>ok, but if you want dhcpd to listen on eth0, and eth0 has no IP, what is it going to bind to?
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06:25<ao2>hi, is there any guide about installing python2.6 in unstable properly? it is experimental but it does not come with the alternative system. And the guide here is not complete, it does not handle manages, for instance.
06:25<peej_>azeem, ok, so dhcpd has no global setting that gives itself an ip if it has none on an interface it is supposed to be serving from.
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06:26<azeem>peej_: no, it's a server not a network-managaer
06:26<ao2>s/manages/man pages/
06:26<azeem>people running dhcpd are supposed to configure their networking themselves
06:26<jm_>ao2: i don't think python ever used alternatives
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06:27<ao2>jm_, I haven't fount a guide using pycentral either
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06:31<peej_>azeem, so DHCPD must have ips for the interface configured before it can serve from that interface. I am probably repeating myself ;-)
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06:31<lancelot_of>hi all
06:31<azeem>peej_: yeah, AIUI
06:31<lancelot_of>if i run acpi_listen i get acpi_listen: can't open socket /var/run/acpid.socket: Connection refused
06:31<lancelot_of> any suggestions?
06:31<jm_>lancelot_of: do you have acpid running?
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06:32<lancelot_of>jm_, how to check?
06:32<Torsten_W>pidof acpid
06:33<lancelot_of>Torsten_W, none
06:33<lancelot_of>so it's not
06:33<Torsten_W>then start acpid
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06:34<lancelot_of>good, it works...thank you
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06:36<lancelot_of>how to modify the kernel scancode of a keyboard key?
06:36<jm_>lancelot_of: what are you trying to do?
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06:38<lancelot_of>jm_, my apple aluminium Fn key is not seen by Xorg 'cause its keycode is greater then 255 (it's 464) so i'd like to modify it
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06:41<jm_>lancelot_of: man setkeycodes
06:41<jm_>I think
06:44<huseyin_>jm_, hello i run sbnc, eggdrop, ircd-hybrid, but i cant run hybserv on debian lenny. how can i do?
06:44<jm_>huseyin_: why not?
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06:44<huseyin_>not connect my server
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06:45<jm_>I remember one had to edit c/n lines or somesuch to get it to connect, I forgot the details
06:45<huseyin_>error: edit hybserv.conf ...
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06:47<slush>huseyin_: did you configure it at all ?
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06:48<stuckey>How do I make my frame rate sync to my monitor refresh rate?
06:48<lancelot_of>thanks jm_ bye
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07:50<huseyin>sorry, i am back
07:50<huseyin>Not starting Hybserv 2 IRC Services: please edit /etc/hybserv/hybserv.conf first
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08:06<slush>huseyin: again, dit you configure it at all?
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08:08<slush>I'll take that as a "no"
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08:08<slush>huseyin: do as you been told, edit /etc/hybserv/hybserv.conf
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08:08<miguelzinho>debhelper quilt
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08:11<miguelzinho>I need to patch the source code of my package while upstream does not provide it
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08:11<miguelzinho>Is there any doc about this?
08:11<miguelzinho>Should I use quilt or dpatch?
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08:18<huseyin>slush, yes edit ircd.conf and hybserv edit
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08:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
08:22<huseyin>paste ircd.conf and hybserv.conf
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08:44<stevem_>Lo, I'm told using mkzftree I can make a custom debian install disc with my own extra packages (doesn't need to be a live disc - or even have a graphical installer)... but I'm finding it hard to get a guide on how to use mkzftree ... anyone know of a good one?
08:44<stevem_>I'm thinking I could roll a disc to deploy a web server with lamp stack and control panel for example (all debian packages)
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08:54<SQlvpapir>anyone else got sound issues with 2.6.30-2? got some skipping etc. most of the time here in unstable
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09:05<SQlvpapir>removing jack kinda helped ;)
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09:18<stian1979>Is there someone knowing how to make initrd load kinit?
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09:20<skainz>Hiho! someone in here knowing how to use mellanox infiniband HCA in debian ?
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09:30<rah>rah@myrtle:~$ ldd /usr/bin/evolution | grep libX11
09:30<rah> => /opt/xorg-ati-free/lib64/ (0x00007f03dbd31000)
09:30<rah>rah@myrtle:~$ ldd /usr/bin/evince | grep libX11
09:30<rah> => /usr/lib/ (0x00007f6a9e2d7000)
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09:34<rah>why might this be?
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09:41<piovasco>hello, i have an iPAQ 910. I have some files i want to transfer from it. Its from the SD card it has, actually, but my pc doesn't have a SD slot. I thought maybe there was a way to mount via usb the ipaq so i can just access the files on the sd and transfer them to the pc...
09:42<Titan8990>you can buy little usb devices that have sd card readers
09:42<piovasco>btw, suing debian lenny
09:42<Titan8990>they are like $10... sd card in one end, plug usb into computer on the other end
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09:43<piovasco>yeah, seen them but no time or cash for it,
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09:48<stian1979>Is there someone knowing how to make initrd load kinit?
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09:52<Hellmark>why do I keep joining #debian on reconnect?
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09:53<rah>Hellmark: you love debian so much?
09:53<bja>Hellmark: because your client is configured to do so
09:53<Hellmark>well, I do, but, that isn't the reason I am on this network.
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09:55<Hellmark>bja, just recently that it started doing that, when I've not changed my client settings for months, and manually connect to this network
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09:56<stuckey>Is anyone else not able to pause youtube videos or adjust the volume?
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09:57<amol1>hi to all,i have BCM4310 wifi device but detected in lennyt it is no
09:57<bja>Hellmark: what client are you using
09:57<amol1>my kernel version is
09:57<stuckey>Or scrolling... that also doesn't work for me. It only seem to apply to youtube videos though
09:58<amol1>sorry i am using broadcom wifi device BCM4310 which is not detected in lenny
09:58<bja>Hellmark: xchat is configured to connect automaticaly to #debian, you should check into the config file, I can't help you anymore since i don't use it (for that same reason)
09:59<huseyin>jm_ slush are you there?
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09:59<Hellmark>oh, figured it. I connect manually via, where as that is listed as a secondary address for the Debian network listing.
10:00<amol1>to enable and detect wifi device i have installed firmware but it is not getting detected
10:00<amol1>is any driver problem or firmware?
10:00<Hellmark>still odd how it just randomly started using those settings, after months of not
10:00<Hellmark>but, easily fixed.
10:01<bja>Hellmark: try using irssi, its also cli and it works great
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10:01<Hellmark>bja, or, I just change the default settings
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10:01<peej_>amoli: broadcom has hybrid-wl drivers for that.
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10:01<bja>Hellmark: it is also an option :)
10:02<amol1>peej_, i have downloaded bcm43xx-win-drivers.tar.gz and installed using fwcutter but still it not detected
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10:02<amol1>how to debug what is problem?
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10:03<xente>does anyone here use tangerine?
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10:03<amol1>peej_, i have installed using this command b43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta_mimo.o
10:04<amol1>am i correct..
10:04<peej_>amoli: windrivers are probably for ndiswrapper. You'd probably be better off with native drivers. Go through the thread at and try that procedure.
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10:11<amol1>peej_, thanks it worked.but i am using latest kernel and as per recommanded driver for this is ssb.then also it is not working with ssb
10:11<amol1>any bug with latest kerner ssb driver?
10:12<peej_>what do you mean "it worked"?
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10:16<amol1>peej_, after compiling driver as you told in link my device detected
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10:18<amol1>peej_, but i feels ssb b43 is correct driver
10:18<amol1>which is coming in latest kernel
10:19<peej_>dpkg, smart question?
10:19<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
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10:20<peej_>amol1, you need to be clearer. latest kernel? do you mean lenny or what? who recommends ssb? what do you mean by "not working"?
10:20<peej_>dpkg, not working?
10:20<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
10:22<peej_>amol1, please do read the smart questions url. It really helps.
10:22<amol1>peej_, thanks
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10:24<xente>anyone else here use tangerine?
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10:27<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
10:28<xente>unbeknownst to some, there may be a logical and almost tangible reason that one would ask if someone uses some program
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10:28<xente>which may work out to the benefit of all those involved
10:29<locklace>good luck with that
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10:29<dr|z3d>xente: That's not the #debian way. Try and pay attention to local customs. ;)
10:30<xente>dr|z3d: aight....can do that.
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10:31<xente>for anyone that uses tangerine and upgraded to the latest package in squeeze, have you gotten it to work?
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10:34<sam3>How can i fin /dev file of perticular device
10:35<xente>I suppose I shouldn't have used the word anyone again....oops. sry
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10:38<locklace>xente: the problem isn't the word anyone, it's asking vague questions. the second one is better, though adding information about what exactly isn't working for you would be much better still
10:38<sam3>please any one reply
10:38<locklace>sam3: what kind of device
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10:38<xente>locklace: thanks for the info
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10:38<dr|z3d>xente: tell us what the issue is, what error messages you get, what you've tried to do to fix. then we might be able to help. ;)
10:39<sam3>i have Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture
10:39<sam3>locklace:modinfo bt878 showing driver exist
10:40<xente>when I upgraded tangerine, the properties dialog doesn't show any more and the icon is missing from the menus (the latter being a minor issue) What paste bins do you guys use around here and I will past my error message
10:40<sam3> locklace: then which is its /dev file?
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10:42<sam3> then which is its /dev file?
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10:50<stian1979>Is there someone knowing how to make initrd load kinit?
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10:56<adb>stian1979, what's kinit ?
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10:57<dpkg>from memory, kr is Korea (South)
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11:08<sam3>how find device node of keyboard
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11:10<stian1979>adb: you use suspend to disk? if you do then you probartly see it at the begining when the system start to load.
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11:10<stian1979>adb: if it find a suspended image on swap it will load that one instead of starting systemservices
11:12<adb>i see
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11:16<stian1979>adb: any sugestions where I should look?
11:17<adb>stian1979, why not use a debian kernel ? ..
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11:18<Titan8990>adb, some of us enjoy compiling a kernel specifically for our hardware... or to include patches like real-time not included in the debian binary
11:19<icebrain>locklace: lol locklace, I guess dpkg doesn't know how to speak korean :P
11:19<adb>Titan8990, are you stian1979 advocate ? hehe
11:22<stian1979>adb: I'm using a debian kernel. I use debien kernel on both my computers and one work, the other don't
11:23<stian1979>adb: both can suspend to ram without problem, but to disk only one. It also apear that looking trough the package manager they both have the same inittamfs and sleep/suspend/hibernate packages installed
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11:24<adb>stian1979, i can't help you , sorry
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11:29<stian1979>adb: seams nobody can. I would do a clean install if it was not for the raid array witch I fear I won't be able to work again after a fresh install
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11:34<bja>stian1979: Is your swap space on the raid array?
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11:36<xente>when you shutdown a computer that is using network manager, does it do a dhcp release?
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11:38<dr|z3d>xente: It just nukes networking, so it should come back up with the same dhcp lease on reboot if the lease is still valid.
11:38<xente>dr|z3d: great...thanks
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11:39<xente>dr|z3d: so I would have to explicitly release my lease, if I needed to
11:39<dr|z3d>Or you could use hotswapping.
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11:40<dr|z3d>Assuming you're on wired ethernet.
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11:42<davi>What package to convert video from a format to another?
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11:43<kop>davi: See also
11:43<davi>thanks all
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11:46<stian1979>bja: I have swap space both on and off the array. I have hdb5 as swap and also md0 as swap
11:48<bja>stian1979: that might be the problem you need to be certain that the space used to suspend to disk is *outside* the raid array or else it will not boot
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11:49<stian1979>bja: In that case kinit should just report no valid resume image and simply skip. Bt default the first swap file on the first disk will be used. hdb is the first disk that contain both / and swap
11:50<stian1979>bja: please point out if I'm wrong
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11:51<bja>stian1979: kinit will not be able to find any image to resume unless it is on the swap which is on hdb5, if the image is on md0 it will not be able to look at it unless the system has booted
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11:55<stian1979>bja: I know, but my problem is not that it can't find. My problem is that kinit won't load. I just go directly to starting system services.
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11:57<stian1979>bja: I'm quite shure it did not work befour eather when I did not have the raid array. My install is a year old while the array was created last week.
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12:05<Squelos>hi all
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12:06<stian1979>bja: Anyway I give it a try to do swapoff /dev/md0 and grow the hdb swap to match the ram, reboot, and then try suspend. Maybe also try to chage hdb into hda to see if the system is more happy with that since this was it's orginal location.
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12:09<stian1979>bja: looking at my setup again I see that md0 and md1 is started by initramfs. The arrays are buildt into the initramfs so then it should not mather. Am I right?
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12:28<bja>stian1979: i am not sure on that
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12:30<Squelos>hum, im still having trouble with my laptop.
12:30<Squelos>what drivers do i need for a HD4330 (mobility i think ?) The 4350 drivers will do it ?
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12:36<sney>Squelos: radeonhd?
12:36<dpkg>somebody said radeonhd was the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon R5xx and R6xx family of chipsets (R7xx since version 1.2.2). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' from Lenny. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. #radeonhd on
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12:37<Squelos>sney, no i was thinkg of the fglrx drivers. But i think i got it :)
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12:37<Squelos>What about the wireless on my laptop ? It isnt recognized :/ And the sound doesnt come out of the speakers :/ just out of the earphones when i plug them in.
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12:40<NiteSnow>dose anyone know how to install on lenny 5.0.3 i keep getting an error saying that it cant find the kernel source directory
12:41<Titan8990>NiteSnow, you follow the very detailed instructions on the debian wiki for installing proprietary nvidia drivers
12:41<NiteSnow>Oo link me please
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12:42<sney>it's under hardware, video cards
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12:44<Squelos>and does anyone have an idea concerning laptops ?
12:44<NiteSnow>found it
12:44<NiteSnow>what do you need to know Squelos ?
12:44<foxtrot>Debian 5.0 Lenny 64 bit // How to install MySQL with SSH? ^^
12:45<metalqga>aptitude install ? ;)
12:45<sney>Squelos: the fglrx driver is *supposed* to work for all new-ish radeon cards, that includes the 4xxx series. it's not a separate driver for each chip, it's one that drives all of them
12:45<NiteSnow>apt-get install openssh-server
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12:45<NiteSnow>apt-get install mysql-server-5.1
12:45<sney>you can /msg dpkg fglrx for more information
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12:46<bja>foxtrot: apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 openssh-server
12:46<NiteSnow>thats works too but ver 5.1 is out :D
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12:46<NiteSnow>apt-get install mysql-server-5.1 openssh-server
12:46<bja>not on lenny
12:46<Squelos>nitesnow, i would like to get the wireless card working :)
12:46<NiteSnow>yeh on lenny
12:46<foxtrot>bja, thanks! i\m going to try
12:46<NiteSnow>ok what type of wireless card
12:47<NiteSnow>Mike-PC:/home/mike# aptitude search mysql-server
12:47<NiteSnow>p mysql-server - MySQL database server (metapackage dependi
12:47<NiteSnow>p mysql-server-5.0 - MySQL database server binaries
12:47<NiteSnow>p mysql-server-5.1 - MySQL database server binaries
12:47<NiteSnow>v virtual-mysql-server -
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12:47<adb>!tell NiteSnow -about paste
12:47<Squelos>fr ?
12:48<NiteSnow>en ?
12:48<foxtrot>apt-get install mysql-server-5.1 --------- E: Couldn't find package mysql-server-5.1
12:48<NiteSnow>now what wireless card
12:48<Squelos>hum, i dunno which type :/ I got a hp pro book 4510s. ill look it up.
12:48<NiteSnow>hmm works for me
12:48<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
12:48<Squelos>no im french.
12:48<bja>foxtrot: try 5.0
12:48<Squelos>but no problem, i can talk english.
12:48<sney>lspci |grep -i net
12:48<Squelos>and there is nobody on the french chan.
12:48<sney>that will show you your networking cards
12:48<bja>NiteSnow: i don't know about backports, but 5.1 is *not* on lenny
12:49<sney>one of them will be the wifi
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12:49<bja>judd: versions mysql-server
12:49<judd>bja: mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch11 lenny: 5.0.51a-24 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2 sid: 5.0.67-1 sid: 5.0.75-1 experimental: 5.1.31-2 lenny-backports: 5.1.37-2~bpo50+1 squeeze: 5.1.37-2 sid: 5.1.39-1
12:49<NiteSnow>try apt-get update
12:49<NiteSnow>lol cause i have it
12:50<babilen>NiteSnow: you are most certainly not running lenny then.
12:50<Squelos>Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh]
12:50<NiteSnow>im running lenny 5.0.3
12:50<NiteSnow>oh crap intell
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12:51<sney>looks like it's
12:51<dpkg>well, iwlagn is the driver for Intel 5050, 5100BG/ABG/ABN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series of wireless LAN adapters. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27 ("modprobe iwlagn"). Lenny users: ask me about <> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware>.
12:51<Squelos>thanks sney.
12:51<NiteSnow>yeh i have the worst time with intel :|
12:52<stuckey>What's a good IDE for doing Java? I tried Eclipse but it seems kinda buggy...
12:52<babilen>NiteSnow: mysql-server depends on 5.0.51 in lenny and on 5.1.37-2 in squeeze...
12:52<Squelos>eclipse ?
12:52<stuckey>Squelos: eclipse yes
12:52<sney>stuckey: jed is nice, provided you aren't afraid of ncurses
12:52<bja>dpkg: tell foxtrot about ru
12:52<Titan8990>stuckey, eclipse and netbeans are the main ones
12:52<babilen>NiteSnow: So *if* you have installed mysql-server-5.1 on lenny you must have installed it from backports or squeeze/sid
12:52<Titan8990>stuckey, eclipse == ibm ; netbeans == sun
12:52<Squelos>oh sorry stuckey, i only read the first part of what you said. i like eclipse
12:52<foxtrot>bja, thanks. i'm installing now
12:53<NiteSnow>well i have backports enabled so
12:53<astronut>can anyone recommend a good 3d space combat game (flight-simish, not RPGish)?
12:53<bja>foxtrot: np
12:54<sney>funny how intel's regular wired ethernet controllers have full support, and their wifi requires all kinds of work
12:54<stuckey>sney: I get this when I try installing it:
12:54<sney>it's as if there are 2 separate divisions of intel working on that stuff
12:55<sney>no idea
12:55<sney>man I gotta run
12:55<NiteSnow> << my /etc/apt/sources.list thats what im using
12:56<Titan8990>sney, they likely do...
12:56<babilen>NiteSnow: yes, you are running lenny+backports, which explains why you could install 5.1
12:56<Titan8990>sney, i read recently that cisco has over 50 comities that are all geared towards different results... I would imagine there is a similar thing in a company as large as intel
12:57<Titan8990>sney, plus, it is likely that intel does most of its support for unix based servers, which will not being using wireless. but thats my speculation
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12:57<foxtrot>bja, to install Java Sun JDK, apt-get install java?
12:58<Titan8990>foxes, install sun-java6-jdk from backports
12:58<Titan8990>^ foxtrot
12:58<Titan8990>foxtrot, then update-java-alternatives
12:58<stuckey>When I start eclipse I get "This Eclipse build doesn't have support for the integrated browser."
12:58<NiteSnow>dont you have to have non-free enabled too
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12:58<Titan8990>NiteSnow, from backports.. yes
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12:59<babilen>foxtrot: you might want to try openjdk which is the GPL2 version of sun's jdk/jre
12:59<Titan8990>^ good luck with that
13:00<foxtrot>thanks..) i'm first day in linux
13:00<babilen>Titan8990: Whats problematic about it?
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13:01<Titan8990>babilen, the majority of the java applications I use are web applications via nsplugin
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13:01<babilen>Titan8990: and they don't work with openjdk?
13:01<Titan8990>babilen, most of the times the applets will not even load when I am using openjdk
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13:02<Titan8990>it has been 6months or so since I have tried it, maybe there has been some improvements
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13:02<babilen>Titan8990: ok. I was not aware of that. Thanks for pointing it out to me. Are you sure that this is not related to a missing plugin install (like icedtea6-plugin) ?
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13:04<babilen>Titan8990: *If* there any problems with it, it would be wise not to suggest installing it instead of sun's jdk to new users.
13:04<babilen>foxtrot: I assume you are running Debian lenny. Is that correct?
13:04<Titan8990>babilen, i am sorry... i was thinking of gcj
13:05<Titan8990>babilen, continue on...
13:05<dpkg>To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot, xwd. For framebuffer consoles, use fbgrab.
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13:05<foxtrot>babilen, Debian 5.0 Lenny 64 bit
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13:06<babilen>Titan8990: Yes, i am aware of all the problems with gcj. OpenJDK is the open sourced (original) sund JDK. There *might* be differences between OpenJDK and Sun's JDK though. I am not aware of them, as I don't program much in Java... which does not mean that there are no problems
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13:07<Titan8990>wth... the wiki says gcj is "installed by default"
13:07<babilen>foxtrot: Ok. I would suggest that you install openjdk-6-jdk with "aptitude install openjdk-6-jdk"
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13:07<Titan8990>i guess that is meaning that the virtual java package points to gcj because my base debian system defiantly do not start with java
13:08<babilen>foxtrot: If you run into problems with that you can remove it with "aptitude remove openjdk-6-jdk"
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13:08<babilen>foxtrot: Debian differentiates between different types of software in regard to their "freeness".
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13:09<dpkg>well, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at
13:09<babilen>foxtrot: If you want to install the non free JDK from Sun you have to enable "non-free" software in you Debian install
13:10<babilen>foxtrot: you do that by editing your sources list to include "non-free" and "contrib" in addition to "main"
13:10<foxtrot>thanks, now i trying to test mysql, then will try to install java jdk
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13:11<babilen>foxtrot: after aptitude learned about the now available software ("aptitude update") you can install the Sun jdk with "aptitude install sun-java6-jdk"
13:11<Squelos>i find debian users very fussy about free stuff. after, its just my point of view
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13:11<foxtrot>how to open port 3306? >_<
13:11<Squelos>well, some of them anyways :)
13:11<Squelos>in iptable ?
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13:12<foxtrot>may be.. now only 1 port is opened, 22. i need 3306 for mysql
13:12<babilen>Squelos: Free software is *the* major force behind Debian. I think it is quite normal for Debian users to encourage the use of free software.
13:12<NiteSnow>ohh the errors
13:13<babilen>foxtrot: You should just install mysql-server (that package will pull in the newest version of MySQL that is available for lenny)
13:13<dondelelcaro>foxtrot: by default, all of the ports are open. By default, mysql only listens on localhost.
13:13<Squelos>babilen : yes, i know, and you right, but i find some debian users too fussy.
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13:14<Squelos>babilen : debian users are expert users compared to ubuntu users, it may be because of that. Im quite new to linux.
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13:14<bja>foxtrot: read the files on /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/ that should give you a start
13:14<babilen>^ after you install mysql-server that is ;-)
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13:15<spydemon>salut à tous
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13:16<Squelos>mais salut. Its an english chnan here
13:16<sam3> how device driver works in linux?
13:16<babilen>sam3: Good. What problem are you trying to solve?
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13:17<Squelos>can i edit grub ? To delete a kernel for example
13:17<cahoot>sam3: if not already provided by the kernel - you'll have some work to do
13:17<spydemon>Sorry Squelos, I've forgot the -fr in the channel name ;-)
13:17<valdyn>Squelos: can you?
13:17<valdyn>Squelos: some entries are generated
13:17<sam3>i want to install driver for Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture
13:18<sam3>cahoot: what are?
13:18<Squelos>valdyn, well i was just asking like that. not to delete a kernel, but to change some other small things. Is there no graphical tool to do so?
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13:19<sam3>cahoot: any tutorial available
13:19<valdyn>Squelos: a text editor
13:19<Squelos>valdyn, what file do i need to open ?
13:20<valdyn>Squelos: /boot/grub/menu.lst
13:20<Squelos>ok, thanks :)
13:20<valdyn>Squelos: but as i said, not much point in editing generated entries
13:20<bja>foxtrot: try mysql-admin, nice gui to set up your mysql server
13:20<cahoot>sam3: I believe you were here a few days ago about the same matter - and were told to modprobe bt878 (or such)
13:20<Squelos>valdyn : can i not make the entry names a bit clearer for real noobs ?
13:20<babilen>sam3: You don't have to install drivers on Debian. Hardware support is provided directly by the kernel.
13:21<Squelos>babilen, not for my intel wireless chip :D
13:21<babilen>sam3: It might be that the driver (module in linux) is not loaded by default though...
13:21<babilen>sam3: the module in question *might* be bt878 .
13:21<valdyn>Squelos: you could copy a generated entry to the area where you can put custom entries
13:21<valdyn>Squelos: and make that one look however you like
13:22<babilen>sam3: I have not used anything like that hardware before, so I am not perfectly suited to help you here.
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13:22<Squelos>thanks valdyn :=)
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13:22<babilen>sam3: Do you have any way to test if you can use the video capture card?
13:23<sam3>how can i find that driver module for 01:01.0 Communication controller: Conexant HSF 56k HSFi Modem (rev 01) is exist in my system?
13:23<valdyn>sam3: why do you think you need to install a driver?
13:23<valdyn>sam3: for your bt878 ?
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13:23<valdyn>sam3: its been supported out of the box for decades
13:23<valdyn>( ok, just one decade )
13:24<dpkg>A Winmodem (or software modem) is a modem with minimal hardware, relying on the host computer to perform most (or all) processing and operational tasks. Not sure if you have one? Ask me about <winmodem-trick>. For device support on Debian systems, ask me about <martian> (Agere/Lucent), <slmodem> (SmartLink), <mwavem> (IBM Mwave) or <hcf> and <hsf> (Conexant/Rockwell). See also <3com>.
13:24<valdyn>sam3: ^^^
13:25<NiteSnow> << gdm wont start
13:26<valdyn>Squelos: btw, the autogenerated entries are generated by update-grub, which is called via the hooks in /etc/kernel-img.conf
13:26<sam3>valdyn: how can i testthat driver module for 01:01.0 Communication controller: Conexant HSF 56k HSFi Modem (rev 01) is exist in my system?
13:26<Squelos>thanks valdyn :)
13:26<valdyn>Squelos: feel free to remove those hooks
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13:26<valdyn>sam3: start by reading what dpkg said
13:26<Squelos>im off for a fag, and then ill reboot. Hoping that my new kernel will work :D
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13:27<babilen>NiteSnow: The nvidia kernel module failed to load. You might have to install it first. (nvidia-glx)
13:29<valdyn>NiteSnow: run "modprobe nvidia"
13:30<NiteSnow>FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-486/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device
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13:30<valdyn>NiteSnow: that means that your nvidia gfx card is not supported by the currently installed driver
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13:30<NiteSnow>mm hmm
13:30<NiteSnow>brb 1 sec
13:30<valdyn>NiteSnow: your card could be to new or to old
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13:33<stuckey>How do I get the debian/ directory when I have the diff.gz file and the .dsc file and the tarball?
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13:35<sam3>have any video tutorial of device driver development available?
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13:36<NiteSnow>what i dont get is that it is the driver for my card and yet it wont run\
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13:39<chealer>stuckey: if you don't mind, what are you doing?
13:40<stuckey>chealer: I'm working on spring...
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13:40<sam3>ok my Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture is working
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13:41<chealer>stuckey: why aren't you using apt-get source or something like that?
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13:41<stuckey>chealer: Well spring isn't in the archive.
13:42<sam3>i am using XawTv .
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13:42<chealer>stuckey: and it's in no repository?
13:42<stuckey>chealer: nope, not yet
13:42<chealer>stuckey: did you check the diff?
13:42<stuckey>chealer: for what?
13:43<chealer>stuckey: did you extract it and look at its contents?
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13:43<stuckey>I didn't, but why would I want to do this?
13:43<sam3>Then what would be the /dev file associated with this device?
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13:44<sam3>how can i find that
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13:46<sam3>please help
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13:47<chealer>stuckey: because debian/ is usually there. did you use dpkg-source?
13:47<stuckey>chealer: I used dpkg-source -x *.dsc to get the debian/ folder
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13:48<chealer>stuckey: your question is unclear
13:48<stuckey>chealer: 19:31 < stuckey> How do I get the debian/ directory when I have the diff.gz file and the .dsc file and the tarball?
13:48<stuckey>Answer: use dpkg-source -x *dsc
13:49<chealer>stuckey: pretty much, so why do you ask?
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13:49<stuckey>Because I didn't know
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13:53<chealer>stuckey: uh, it's fair to tell us to dismiss your question when you find the answer by yourself.
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13:55<stuckey>chealer: I found it at like 19:40. You had asked me about what I was doing and I didn't realize it related to my original question.
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13:59<chealer>stuckey: well, in any case, tell us "nevermind" when you answer yourself
14:00<stuckey>I usually do, or at least answer it myself when I find out
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14:00<hispeed>kann mir jemand helfen in sachen debian installation?
14:00<stuckey>hispeed: gerne
14:00<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
14:00<hispeed>ich habe gerade im handbuch gelesen, dass ich evtl. hier live hilfe finde
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14:01<stuckey>This channel is English though...
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14:19<xente>when using compiz and using window shading, can someone tell me how to make the gnome-panel not use shading?
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14:24<Pryon>xente: have you tried changing the background in panel properties? (not a compiz user)
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14:27<xente>Pryon: Thanks for the idea. I don't see an option there. I think it has something to do with the window decorations settings in compiz
14:28<Titan8990>compiz uses an external application for window decoration
14:28<Titan8990>the most common being emerald and gtk-window-decorator
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14:28<Titan8990>if there is a setting for what your looking I have a feeling you might find it in gconf-editor
14:29<xente>Titan8990: thanks!
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14:30<xente>found the solution:
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14:46<stuckey>How do I get rid of this open java and get the non-free stuff?
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14:47<locklace>!install java
14:47<dpkg>For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre. Also ask me about <install java etch>. Also see <java alternatives>
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14:48<darsie>Hi! How can I search for packages which depend on libccid?
14:48<locklace>apt-cache rdepends libccid
14:48<marcowitsch>Any hints to get mf636 usb modem to run?
14:49<darsie>locklace: I tried that, but it returns e.g. libchipcard-tools which installed without installing libccid.
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14:55<gsimmons>marcowitsch: Ask dpkg about modeswitch (/msg dpkg modeswitch) and see Debian bug #523999.
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15:02<stuckey>how do I check which version of GTK+ I have?
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15:03<darsie>dpkg -l '*gtk*'
15:03<dpkg>No packages found matching '*gtk*'
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15:03<stuckey>darsie: nothing, does that mean I don't have it?
15:04<darsie>nothing? wait ...
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15:04<darsie>it does a lot for me.
15:04<stuckey>oops... did it with grep
15:05<Titan8990>judd, versions libgtk2.0-0
15:05<judd>Titan8990: libgtk2.0-0 -- etch: 2.8.20-7 lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny1 squeeze: 2.16.6-1 sid: 2.18.1-1
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15:08<stuckey>darsie: hmm... so which one is usually called "gtk+" ?
15:08<darsie>stuckey: sorry, dunno that.
15:10<Titan8990>stuckey, libgtk2.0-0
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15:12<dpkg>fraluig: VATTENE VIA
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15:18<simonrvn>haha, that's 'go away' in italian
15:18<X-Seti>Is there a server issues channel?
15:19<X-Seti>those who have the server edition?
15:19<simonrvn>get a lot of people from .it doing !list in here and the bot tells them to go away
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15:19<Titan8990>X-Seti, server edition of what?
15:19<simonrvn>server edition? wrong channel, you probably want #ubuntu on freenode network
15:19<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
15:20<X-Seti>Well your right, I do have ubuntu, but sometimes there just plan unhelpful..
15:20<Titan8990>!they don't know
15:20<dpkg>Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google.
15:20<X-Seti>both debian and ubuntu are the same in many ways
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15:21<Titan8990>X-Seti, read the dpkg line on ubuntu again
15:21<simonrvn>no they're not. go to #ubuntu
15:21<simonrvn>different distros
15:21<Titan8990>most of us think ubuntu is terrible and would prefer to not to support their unstable packages
15:21<X-Seti>bugger it. narh im uninstall ubuntu, and installing your distro
15:22<oznt>hi guys, I need to link a fortran software with lg2c but i have no idea how to do it (all i know is to do ./configure && make) what do I need to do ?
15:22<Titan8990>fortran... now thats a word i had yet to hear on IRC
15:22<simonrvn>X-Seti: um, /server ; /join #ubuntu - it isn't hard to do....
15:22<simonrvn>a lot quicker than reinstalling...
15:23<X-Seti>simonrvn, im here for a reason, and I know this isnt the ubuntu channel
15:23<Titan8990>simonrvn, but not as good in the end
15:23<X-Seti>im installing debian, because the mail server in ubuntu is stuffed and I need this service running.
15:24<X-Seti>why should I bother
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15:28<simonrvn>Titan8990: i just wanted him/her/it out of our hair, i smelled "i expect support, now!" infantile behaviour
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15:33<steffan>What is the easiest way to run a mailserver on a Debian 5.0 server? I own a few domains and want to setup multiple email accounts for each domain. Is there a mailserver with web-based configuration? (This will be the first time I've hosted a mailserver).
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15:34<debianNoob>Does anyone here have any experience in automating mysql-install using bash? I have tried using expect, but it wont do as I want it to
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15:36<sam3>how can i remove installed drive
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15:36<sam3> dpkg -r hsfmodem not working
15:36*dpkg removes hsfmodem not working along with a pound of flesh from sam3's body, then staples sam3 back up with a staple gun.
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15:37<seanius>debianNoob: you mean install without asking a for a root password or with a pre-set password?
15:37<stuckey>what's the name of the libgtk package in squeeze?
15:37<simonrvn>!+tell stuckey -about search
15:37<dpkg>told stuckey about search.
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15:38<debianNoob>seanius: Yes. I want to install mysql-server and automatically input a password when asked (or get around this another way)
15:38<sam3>steffan:exim,sendmail,postfix, ---
15:38<stuckey>simonrvn: that just shows me stuff in my version
15:38<simonrvn>stuckey: read the whole thing
15:39<simonrvn>stuckey: web-based? heh
15:39<simonrvn>stuckey: sorry
15:39<simonrvn>steffan: web-based? heh
15:40<seanius>debianNoob: you can probably pre-seed the answer with debconf and then set the frontend to non-interactive
15:40<sam3>how can i remove installed drive , dpkg -r hsfmodem not working , please help me
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15:40<simonrvn>sam3: 'installed drive'?
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15:41<Pryon>driver, I think
15:41<stuckey>sid has the same version of libgtk as squeeze?
15:41<Pryon>when you say "not working", what do you mean, exactly? What's the error message?
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15:41<debianNoob>seanius: My name is pretty hitting. Im new to Linux (and Debian). I see that debconf is some sort of package configurator. I will look the man page
15:42<steffan>simonrvn: Yes, like a control panel?
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15:42<steffan>simonrvn: But one that supports installing the packages needed for the mailserver etc.
15:43<sam3>i installed hsfmodem using source code, but that didn't complete,but installed some i want to delete that files to install newly downloaded hsfmodem_7.80.02.04full_i386.deb file.
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15:43<Pryon>dpkg isn't going to help you remove files you installed outside of the package management system
15:43<dpkg>Pryon: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
15:44<sam3>When i installing hsfmodem_7.80.02.04full_i386.deb it showing (Reading database ... 115549 files and directories currently installed.)
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15:44<seanius>debianNoob: aha :) i'm guessing you can set it with debconf-communicate before you install it and avoid the prompts alltogether
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15:46<debianNoob>seanius: Oh oh. I am so lost :( Could you give a very small example? is it like debconf-communicate apt-get install mysql-server ? Or am I way out...
15:46<sam3>please reply me
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15:47<chealer>stuckey: no
15:47<seanius>debianNoob: is it incredibly important that the database is always password protected, or is it acceptable for it to be without a password for a short period of time?
15:48<seanius>it's possible to solve for both scenarios, but the latter is quite a bit simpler if you're installing in a somewhat secure environment
15:48<Titan8990>seanius, in a production environment, root password always
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15:48<debianNoob>seanius: Is is okay to be without a password for a short period (as it is being installed)
15:48<debianNoob>seanius: Lets take the simple approach
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15:50<seanius>debianNoob: okay. then just export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive and set the password afterwards :)
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15:51<debianNoob>seanius: Should I restart the variable DEBIAN_FRONTEND later?
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15:52<seanius>debianNoob: if you're automating an installation it might be useful for other stuff to but you can always unset it aftewards sure
15:52<sam3>any solusion to my proble
15:52<debianNoob>seanius: I will just try - pitching back :)
15:53<Squelos>i installed the 2.6.30 kernel and it wont work :/
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15:54<Pryon>sam3: how did you install this driver?
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15:56<debianNoob>seamois: You are a good. It works like a charm. Thank you for taking your time to help me
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15:57<seanius>np :)
15:57<sam3>./configure,then make install,then hsfconf
15:58<debianNoob>Thanks a lot
15:58<sam3>pryon: source code include an install.txt file
15:59<Pryon>sam3: If you want to remove this driver you will have to do so manually or follow unintstall instructions included with the source
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16:07<sam3>(Reading database ... 115549 files and directories currently installed.)
16:07<sam3>any way to remove from this database
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16:17<CQ>hello, is it safe to auto apt-get upgrade stable? or better to just do it every few weeks by hand?
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16:21<noflash>CQ, I vote for 'by hand'
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16:23<CQ>someone suggested apticron... probably a good compromise
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16:25<stuckey>How can I downgrade my gtk+ version ?
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16:26<azeem>stuckey: are you running unstable?
16:26<stuckey>azeem: yes
16:26<darsie>stuckey: maybe remove it and install a particular *.deb package with dpkg.
16:26<azeem>stuckey: if you have to ask such a question, then maybe you should stick with stable or testing
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16:27<darsie>but this will probably cause dependency problems with packages with demand higher version gtk.
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16:28<Squelos>hello, i got the wireless working(well i think so anyways) and i also got the sound working (after installing the 2.6.30 kernel), but i still didnt manage to install the fglrx drivers :/
16:29<Squelos>any efficient how to guide ? the usual procedure i use doesnt seem to work
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16:30<dwbear75>I am wondering if anyone can point me to the latest instructions on making a usb memory stick install of debian 5.03?
16:30<gsimmons>dpkg: tell dwbear75 -about usb install
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16:32<patrikf>is there a tool that allows creation of color gradients according to some mathematical expression?
16:32<patrikf>i.e. instead of a standard "linear" gradient, I'd like one that changes with x^2
16:33<huseyin>i cant run ircd-hybserv and hybserv on my local
16:33<huseyin>how can i do
16:33<bja>patrikf: have you tried gimp?
16:34<patrikf>bja: sure, didn't find anything like this
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16:35<bja>patrikf: It can do lots of magick but i'm uncertain if it will do the gradient you need
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16:37<bja>patrikf: take a look at imagemagick, it seems it has a lot of programs for just anything :)
16:37<patrikf>looked at imagemagick too
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16:41<Squelos>i seem to have managed to install the fglrx.
16:42<Squelos>Now, i was wondering : I have a vista partition (NTFS) and my linux partitions, my home is in EXT3, and the / and /boot in reiserFS. Can i do something to be able to read/write onto the /home ?
16:42<Squelos>i heard some windows drivers did that (ext2fs ?)
16:45<bja>patrikf: easiest way to find something is googling it then checking to see if it is on Debian, :(
16:45<adama>Squelos: google would know better than us... we do not support Windoze
16:46<patrikf>bja: gimp had something that produced at least somewhat acceptable results
16:46<Squelos>well, im searching, but i dont find anything related to EXT3.
16:46<Squelos>Im pretty sure i heard it was supported.
16:46<Squelos>Dont tell me everyone here only has debian installed ?
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16:47<adama>I can only speak for myself but only Debian for me :)
16:48<azeem>Squelos: if you want to transfer data with Windows, it's better to use either vfat or ntfs
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16:50<Squelos>yeah but then i think vfat is crap, same for ntfs.
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16:51<Squelos>i know i couldnt go about with only a debian. I need windows for work (well, school)
16:51<Pryon>huseyin: you can't do 'apt-get install ircd-hybrid hybserv' ?
16:51<Pryon>Doh, scroll back lag
16:52<Squelos>pryon : :D
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16:52<Squelos>other question : what about lightscribe under debian ?
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16:56<Pryon>Squelos: ?
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16:58<steffan>Squelos: what in school requires Windows?
16:58<Squelos>the whole fucking network for example.
16:58<Squelos>Well, its not that it doesnt work under linux
16:58<Squelos>it does, but i mean, if i cant get debian to work, no one can help me really.
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16:59<steffan>your whole school network is run under Windows?
16:59<Squelos>I, would like to be able to get a fully functional debian. Thats my objectif.
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16:59<Squelos>well, its hard to get at it with debian, from what i have heard (i havent tried it yet)
16:59<Squelos>but no, the servers are under sarge :D
16:59<steffan>Squelos: you're new to Linux or just Debian?
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17:00<bja>steffan: Did you solved the isue you had with the nic aliases?
17:00<Squelos>well, im kinda new to both. I started off with ubuntu a long time ago, then i came to debian, because i found ubuntu to heavy compared to debian.
17:01<steffan>bja: yes, thank you
17:01<steffan>bja: it was a problem with the binding of the package i was attempting to run, nothing related to networking problems actually
17:01<steffan>bja: which I thought it was
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17:01<bja>i also though it was that, kind a strange
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17:02<steffan>Squelos: looks like a good tutorial if you're new(ish)
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17:03<Squelos>pryon : what do i need to download ? The first one is sure, but what other one do i need ? The design center ? i already got the simple label thing on vista
17:03<steffan>Squelos: documentation is the best source of knowledge if you're new(ish) to Linux/Debian
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17:03<Pryon>I have no idea (nor a lightscribe drive)
17:04<Squelos>steffan : i know, but what piwx
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17:04<pradeep>i use ubuntu
17:04<Squelos>oups, what pisses me off sometimes, is that often information is wrong or outdated.
17:04<Squelos>pradeep : on a debian chan ?
17:04<pradeep>and it is awesome bit for newbies and expert users
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17:05<Squelos>i think ubuntu is just good for noobs like me.
17:05<steffan>Squelos: 'man' along with the rest of documentation that ships with packages should be as updated as the package is
17:05<steffan>Squelos: tutorials on userblogs are often out dated
17:05<pradeep>in a friends sch dey have ubuntu running on all their systems
17:05<pradeep>and servers
17:05<pradeep>and it is a university
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17:06<pradeep>ubuntu is a cool distro
17:06<pradeep>i will recommend that for u know
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17:07<steffan>pradeep: but we are #debian, not ubuntu
17:07<dkr>help, help, I'm bein' trolled
17:07<Squelos>personnaly, i dont know anyone who is running a server under ubuntu ...
17:08<Squelos>*dont feed the troll*
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17:09<Squelos>steffan : yes, the blogs are often outdated, but even some wikis sometimes :
17:09<Squelos>with linux, i can read/write on a NTFS partition ?
17:10<Squelos>i gotta go actually.
17:10<Squelos>read and write access with NTFS-3g
17:10<Squelos>ok, cya guyz !
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17:15<Squelos>fuck, actually im fucking amazed ! even the fucking keyboard shortcuts work
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17:21<Jerryclunsford>Could someone tell me what dns server installs when selected during setup of Debian Lenny?
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17:24<Jerryclunsford>Thank you, there were several available pkgs I thought the one that it would install would be easiest to use.
17:25<pradeep>sorry fellas
17:26<pradeep>did not mean to hurt anyone it is still a debian based distro
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17:26<pradeep>also it is linux
17:26<pradeep>still same commands
17:26<pradeep>i use but ubuntu and debian
17:27<adama>Squelos: watch your language please. Why would the keyboard shortcuts not work?
17:27<Squelos>Im talking about the shortcuts related to my laptop !
17:27<Squelos>for the sound, etc ...
17:28<pradeep>so can we discuss ubuntu too
17:28<pradeep>or strictly debian
17:28<Squelos>i think its strictly debian here :)
17:28<Jerryclunsford>I need to set up my debian machine as a dhcp server for the rest of my LAN. Do I need anything else besides dhcp3-server?
17:29<Squelos>jerryclunsford : i dont think so.
17:29<Squelos>here, i really gotta go.
17:29<adama>Jerryclunsford: that's all you need if that's all you want. If you also want to be the gateway you'll need other stuff
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17:30<Jerryclunsford>I'll need a gateway too
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17:30<Jerryclunsford>I guess I should tell what I'm trying to do
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17:31<pradeep>u cud use iptables
17:31<pradeep>or squid
17:31<adama>you wont' need other software, just some additional configuration
17:31<adama>iptables, squid if you want
17:31<locklace>!tell pradeep about u
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17:32<Jerryclunsford>In order to be able get my website available on the wan I'll have to bridge my modem router and use my computer to assign the dhcp for the lan. Will this work or will I have to buy a router.
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17:34<Jerryclunsford>I am not extremely knowledgable about networking and am new to Linux.
17:34<adama>Jerryclunsford: your webserver is the debian box? This is also your DHCP server? does it have 2 NICs? You must already have a switch or router?
17:34<Jerryclunsford>Yes it has 2 nics Its a HP DL360
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17:36<Jerryclunsford>sorry hit enter too soon HP DL360 G4p it has 2nics I hav a lnksys switch
17:37<adama>Jerryclunsford: you can use that as the webserver, and as the gateway and DHCP server. Connection will go: WAN, Modem, DL630, Linksys switch, LAN boxs
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17:37<Jerryclunsford>That is what I had hoped
17:38<Jerryclunsford>I'm just trying to figure out what I needed to do it
17:39<pradeep>is your webserver over a LAN or internet
17:40<Jerryclunsford>I am trying to get it to go both Right now just LAN
17:41<adama>you will need to edit /etc/network/interfaces, DHCP server configs, setup iptables rules, enable IP forwarding, you might want to setup a Dynamic DNS account, etc. Too much to talk about here... you can find tutorials online, and ask us if you have problems or specific questions
17:41<pradeep>can you ping the IP from other workstation
17:41<peej_>Jerryclunsford, you may have a dhcp server available on the modem/router. This would then allow you to avoid bridging. If you like hiding behind a modem that is. But, since this is debian and not windows I guess you won't want that.
17:41<Jerryclunsford>Thank you I will read up
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17:43<Jerryclunsford>pradeep and peej_ I know how to bridge the modem and the webserver works fine on lan the lan is fine I just need to reconfigure everything to get wan access to my webserver
17:44<Jerryclunsford>Thanks adama
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17:53<peej_>I'm happy with ddclient (dyndns client). Simple.
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18:41<dpkg><goccia> anyway : what it is most important to me is getting three times in a row a y/n question doing the libc6 install-dance and watching a stopping starting done daemon sequence ending in perfection: whoever has done this, i mean a three questions in a row, well is a great person
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19:07<Zeriam>Hi, why is there no weekly 'unstable' release for amd64?
19:08<Pho75>hi all. i'm using debian testing, and i ran 'dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc' to convert to dependency-based boot. but my boot time is the same. am i supposed to install upstart or something? how do i get the improved boot time?
19:11<dpalacio>Pho75: insserv, I think
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19:19<Pho75>dpalacio: it's installed. my boot time didn't change.
19:21<Pho75>do i need to set a flag for some parallel execution or something?
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19:45<bzed>that doesn't help much
19:45<bzed>most stuff is IO bound
19:45<bzed>adding a faster disk helps more than alls this bullshit
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19:50<ret>anyone here familiar with 'RuneScape' and Debian?
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19:52<Pho75>so this whole exercise is just a circle-jerk. greeeaaat!
19:52<Pho75>did anyone see any speed increase after the boot switch?
19:52<ret>I really need help with this lmao >.<
19:54<bja>ret: if you stop swearing and begin stating the facts, it would be apreciated
19:55<ret>Trying to run RuneScape. It won't run. Installed Java (JRE + JDK from the site), tried OpenJDK, etc and nothing will work.
19:55<adama>!doesn't work
19:55<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
19:56<ret>...It won't load. Nuff said... lmao.
19:56<ret>It seems like Java is not installed on your computer
19:56<ret>Java is a free download that is required to play RuneScape. Click here to install Java.
19:56<ret>If you believe you already have Java installed then you might get this message if it is disabled. Click here for instructions on enabling Java.
19:56<Zeriam>it's been almost an hour so i'll restate my question, where can i find weekly unstable cd iso for amd64 arch, is empty directory
19:56<ret>I've installed like 4 different JDK's & JRE's...
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19:56<bja>ret: did you tell your program where java is located?
19:57<ret>It's not a program
19:57<ret>it's a webapp
19:57<ret>a game in Java
19:57<bja>Forgive my ignorance did you tell your browser where java is ?
19:58<ret>D: I'm pretty sure, yeah. I'm using the default IceWeasel that XFCE + Debian gave me
19:59<bja>Did you log in and out after installing java? (It worked to me once)
19:59<bja>Zeriam: Try getting to those using the standard, i heard something wasn't working pretty well
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20:00<bja>ret: Do you have the specific java version you game needs?
20:00<ret>I got it and installed it
20:00<adama>ret: browse to about:plugins - is the Mime-type "application/x-java-applet" handled? by what?
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20:01<bja>Go to sun and check on their page that java is working if so its the games fault, if it doesn't work then you java is misconfigured or misinstalled
20:01<ret>There's nothing with 'Java' in it, adama
20:01<ret>bja: it's not the game's fault lol. I had it working on Ubuntu & gentoo >.> Debian is giving me a problem with it.
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20:04<adama>ret: if "java" does not appear on about:plugins then you haven't installed the jave applet plugin... /msg dpkg java plugin
20:04<adama>you probably want to apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
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20:05<ret>ret:/home/ret# apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
20:05<ret>Reading package lists... Done
20:05<ret>Building dependency tree
20:05<ret>E: Couldn't find package sun-java6-plugin
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20:05<ret>anyways, i got the icedtea
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20:07<ret>well I'll be damned. it worked ^_^
20:07<ret>thanks, adama
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20:32<dpkg>gnome is probably a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. http:/ #gnome-debian on
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20:39<digitaloktay>hi people
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20:39<i-me>hi digitaloktay s'cuse me, but I go to sleep ;)
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20:40*i-me va allez dormir
20:40<i-me>aurevoir :)
20:41<digitaloktay>gn8 i-me
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20:53<ret>is there a way to change my desktop interface from XFCE to like, KDE or GNOMe without reinstalling debian?
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20:55<Pryon>Are you running a display manager or are you starting X by hand?
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20:55<Pryon>Well, it doesn't really matter. The answer is yes
20:57<ret>What's the most linux-ey desktop interface? like, the one that looks like most... non-commercial. I know Arch has one that actually makes the comp look like a badass machine, idk what its called
20:57<dondelelcaro>ret: no desktop interface is probably the most unix-y.
20:58<ret>>.> i want my comp to look uber unix-ey
20:58<valdyn>ret: then dont have a graphical desktop at all
20:58<dondelelcaro>I personally just use awesome
20:58<ret>Xmonad for debian?
20:58<valdyn>ret: or think about what you are saying
20:58<astronut>dondelelcaro: have the docs gotten better?
20:58<ret>dondelelcaro: How would one go about installing awesome?
20:58<dondelelcaro>astronut: dunno, but you can pretty much get any question answered in #awesome
20:59<astronut>dondelelcaro: i keep meaning to switch to something tiling, people keep recommending xmonad and awesome, i've been messing w/ xmonad since the docs are so much better
20:59<dondelelcaro>astronut: and well, they certainly haven't gotten worse, so yes.
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21:00<ret>;-; anyone wanna point me in the direction of how to switch from XFCE? :P
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21:01<valdyn>ret: tiling window manager dont look cool
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21:02<ret>they look amazing >.>
21:02<valdyn>ret: ...
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21:03<valdyn>ret: might help if you had a screenshot of what you want
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21:07<erin>well its still broke sigh
21:07<erin>i dunno i updated all my packages everything was just fine,
21:07<erin>it seem to be intermitent
21:08<erin>i burned some toehr discs after a few tries.
21:08<valdyn>erin: input/output error is very clear
21:08<valdyn>erin: it means that this is a hardware defect
21:08<erin>broken drive?
21:08<erin>*cries* nooooo
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21:08<valdyn>erin: its not possible to tell if this is a bad drive or a bad disk
21:08<erin>i should ask for a refuld
21:08<valdyn>erin: ( at least not from the error message )
21:08<erin>i think i got the dmesg would tha thelp
21:09<valdyn>erin: no
21:09<erin>so what do you need?
21:09<valdyn>erin: i dont need anything
21:09<erin>tried several discs
21:09<erin>so bad drive?
21:09<valdyn>erin: verifying if this is the drive or the disk is entirely up to your usage statistics, not some dmesg output
21:10<valdyn>erin: yea
21:10<valdyn>erin: or a certain type of disk that your drive cant use
21:10<erin>hmm lets burn a cd
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21:12<erin>what tha..
21:12<erin>[ 2592.208017] brasero[4248]: segfault at 0 ip 7f466b960a92 sp 7fff7ae59d98 error 4 in[7f466b8e6000+14a000]
21:14<erin>*cry cry*
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21:17<erin>try k3b the evil one
21:17<ret>someone should help me uninstall XFCE and install gnome?
21:17<ret>I know what im doing for a DE now :3
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21:20<erin>cd burnt...
21:20<erin>going to try a dvd in it
21:20<valdyn>!remove xfce
21:20<valdyn>!install gnome
21:21<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>.
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21:22<ret>did remove XFCe work? lol
21:23<ret>!remove XFCE
21:23<ret>!dpkg remove xfce
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21:30<edbian>I am using NIS and some of the menu items are missing for the users!
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21:40<erin>nope no workie
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21:43<ret>anyone wanna help me do this?
21:44<ret>!dpkg compiz
21:44<dpkg>Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at . #compiz on
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21:52<edbian>I am using NIS and all of my nis users are missing things from the menu. Why?
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22:22<kaylee>blahblahblah imbored
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22:25<kikim96>debhelper hi
22:25<kikim96>who's zero?
22:25<kikim96>HELLO!!!!!!! is any1 on?
22:25<dr|z3d>kikim96: Are you having a debian issue we can help with?
22:26<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic
22:26<kikim96>ok thanx
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22:32<KM96Y>hi ret
22:32<KM96Y> hey
22:33<KM96Y>uh yeah,wuts up?
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22:33<KM96Y> hey who wants totalk
22:34<dr|z3d>Can you take it to #debian-offtopic KM96Y
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22:35<dr|z3d>We don't do "chat" here. This is a support channel. #debian-offopic or #moocows you'll find much more amenable to talkage. :)
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22:39<nassrat>i have an issue with the squeeze netinst, actually its defn with my setup but Id rather fix this in place. My Issue is I have grub installed on a usb key, i dumped the iso and added entries in my menu.lst for the netinstall. The netinstall botos up fine but then it tries to locate the install cdrom and picks up some partition on my usb key which is wrong (its some partition on my crizer usb key that makes it think its a cdrom)
22:40<nassrat>any kernel option I can pass to specify which partition is the one containing the installation files?
22:40<nassrat>maybe like root=/dev/sdb7
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22:43<nassrat>Gun_Smoke: you came to solve my issue?
22:44<nassrat>i have grub installed on a usb, and i dumped squeeze netinst in its own partitoin
22:44<nassrat>now whenever i boot it up, its looking for a CD, and it says the cd you have inside is not the one i want, plase insert another cd
22:44<nassrat>and the install stops
22:45<nassrat>i tried manually mounting the partitoin under /cdrom
22:45<nassrat>but mount on this limited shell seems crappy
22:45<nassrat>it wont let me mount it at all, or anything
22:46<nassrat>any ideas, is there a kernel option i can pass so that it uses /dev/sdb7
22:46<nassrat>i tried root=/dev/sdb7 did nothing
22:46<NiteSnow><nassrat> you need the hd image for usb flash drives
22:47<nassrat>ok, do i need to use dd with that
22:47<nassrat>or can i just copy files
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22:47<Gun_Smoke>^ yeah easiest way to go about this.. But I know grub2 can do iso's now.
22:47<nassrat>its grub1
22:47<nassrat>or 0.97
22:47<nassrat>its cool grun2 can do isos though
22:47<NiteSnow><nassrat> theres a tut on debians site
22:47<Gun_Smoke>yep.. dd if=boot.img of=/dev/sd* <-- your drive
22:47<nassrat>yeah i dont want to do that
22:48<nassrat>i only wanna mess with /dev/sdb7
22:48<nassrat>ps i used unetbootin before and it did it perfect
22:48<Gun_Smoke>do then point the installer at it.
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22:48<Gun_Smoke>The image is like 38M or something.. you'll be running in about 3 minutes if you start right now.
22:49<nassrat>but i was using a primary partition, unetbootin doesnt seem to like extended partitions
22:49<nassrat>Gun_Smoke: i cant do dd the whole drive
22:49<Gun_Smoke>No, just the usb
22:50<nassrat>yeah i have grub installed on it
22:50<nassrat>i have many oss on there
22:50<nassrat>i dont wanna do that again, im not sure if ill know how to do it again
22:50<nassrat>it took me ages to set it up like this
22:50<Gun_Smoke>This is a small thumb drive?
22:50<nassrat>but yeah
22:50<Gun_Smoke>okay, image it first.
22:50<nassrat>i have a few distros
22:51<nassrat>thats cumbersome
22:51<nassrat>i should back it up though
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22:51<Gun_Smoke>dd if=/dev/sdb of=/home/user/backed.img
22:51<nassrat>how do you know its sdb, did you hack me
22:51<Gun_Smoke>get the installer, install, put your img back.
22:51<NiteSnow>should be self explanitory
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22:52<nassrat>cant i use the vmlinux and the initrd to boot it up
22:52<NiteSnow>you need to go to
22:52<nassrat>i did
22:52<NiteSnow>and set it in your boot loader
22:52<Gun_Smoke>almost always, sdb or sdc.. But it was an easy guess you only have one drive, or we wouldn't be having this conversation.
22:53<nassrat>Gun_Smoke: i did mention it earlier, im just kidding
22:53<NiteSnow>copy all of the files into a folder download the netinstall iso
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22:53<NiteSnow>put that into the folder
22:53<nassrat>oh the iso, ok
22:53<nassrat>(without unzipping)
22:53<NiteSnow>and it will boot the installer from the iso
22:53<nassrat>good stuff
22:53<nassrat>would this work with any iso
22:54<nassrat>does it load like *.iso
22:54<nassrat>or do i have to pass a kernel opt
22:54<NiteSnow>um not to my knowlage
22:54<NiteSnow>it looks for the iso
22:54<nassrat>so why wouldnt it work with any iso
22:54<NiteSnow>but i guess it makes the iso somehow work with usb
22:54<NiteSnow>because its made for debian
22:55<NiteSnow>and it is debian spicific
22:55<nassrat>so it wont install ubuntu
22:55<NiteSnow>um not to my knowlege
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22:55<nassrat>this is a waste of time
22:55<nassrat>jk :P
22:55<NiteSnow>knowledge *
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22:56<nassrat>ill check back in 5 mins
22:56<nassrat>i really like putting the iso whole, its way cleaner that cpying everything
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22:57<NiteSnow>damn im craving
22:58<NiteSnow>damn i'm craving subway cookies*
22:58<nassrat>try #munchies
22:58<NIckel63>Macadamia white chocolate chip?
22:58<NiteSnow>those are the ones
22:58<nassrat>no tim hortons where you live eh
22:58<NIckel63>Designer drug cookies
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22:59<nassrat>hey that vmlinuz was a .asc
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22:59<NiteSnow>no its not from what i can see
23:00<nassrat>well thats what it downloads when i click on it
23:00<nassrat>maybe my firefox is messed up
23:00<NiteSnow>theres no .asc file in there
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23:00<NiteSnow>ewww firefox
23:00<NiteSnow>i cant stand it
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23:00<NiteSnow>i like linux mac and win
23:00<nassrat>heh downloadthemall renamed it for me
23:00<NIckel63>What will eat less processor than Firefox?
23:00<nassrat>NiteSnow: eww thats propietery
23:00<NiteSnow>its fast
23:01<nassrat>who needs a webserver in their browser neways
23:01<NiteSnow>it was something for people who where noobs to set something up so they could get to there files
23:02<NiteSnow>its not in the current version
23:02<nassrat>i guess they figured out python -m SimpleHttpServer or soming to that effect, is the same
23:02<NiteSnow>its only a specific version :|
23:02<NiteSnow>i like
23:03<NiteSnow>java -jar SimpleWebServer,jar
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23:03<NiteSnow>4kb of file serving ness
23:03<nassrat>i hate -jar
23:04<NiteSnow>im not a fan of java but its small
23:04<nassrat>or anything that starts with j
23:04<nassrat>are you being sarcastic, its not coming through
23:04<NiteSnow>did J rape you?...
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23:04<nassrat>yeah everyday at work
23:04<NiteSnow>:O same here
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23:05<NiteSnow>omg its soo cold out side
23:05<NIckel63>What's a good room for noobs?
23:05<nassrat>where do you live (social engineering)
23:05<NIckel63>NJ (sux)
23:05<nassrat>i live in NS
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23:06<adb> > offtopic: #debian-offtopic
23:06<NIckel63>Pretty, OH.
23:06<NiteSnow>pssst where being kicked out
23:06<nassrat>i had a bot that i leashed on omegle that said "round on the sides HI in the middle O-HI-O"
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23:06<NIckel63>Oh yes it is.
23:06<bja>Nop, you've been invited to the bar next door
23:07<nassrat>NiteSnow: really, didnt know that
23:07<nassrat>sorry NIckel63
23:07<NiteSnow>lets all /j #debian-offtopic
23:07<nassrat>oh we are
23:07<nassrat>cool is adb a bot
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23:10<ret>anyone use compiz + emerald?
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23:13<dpkg><stew> ooops. client just figured out that i mistakenly checked in code that was creating a file named /tmp/fuckyou every time you ran the program
23:13<nassrat>whos client
23:14<nassrat>what !flw
23:14<dpkg><abrotman> WiFiTux: i think we've covered more than once english isn't your frist langauge
23:14<nassrat>oh, i thought this is something that just happened
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23:14<nassrat>adb: tell bja to go to offtopic
23:14<adb>bja, > offtopic: #debian-offtopic
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23:15<dpkg><rwaite> i run as root, in fact, no other accounts except for root exist on this machine
23:15<ret>so liek
23:16<nassrat>!join #debian-offtopic
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23:16<nassrat>adb: tell dpkg to goto offtopiv
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23:16<ret>anyone wanna help w/ compiz + emerald?
23:17<dr|z3d>ret: installed fusion-icon ?
23:17<ret>idk how >.> i googled and i coouldnt find it
23:17<ret> / it wouldnt work
23:18<dr|z3d>aptitude install fusion-icon
23:18<adb>apt-cache search fusion-icon
23:18<dr|z3d>also: aptitude install emerald
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23:20<ret>whats the difference between aptitude and apt-get?
23:20<bja>!why aptitude
23:20<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
23:20<bja>!why not aptitude
23:20<dpkg>aptitude duplicates several of APT's features. It also has many more frontend-specific bugs. Despite the slogan, it is quite heavy, in part due to the mix of several front-ends in a single binary package and duplication.
23:20<nassrat>wohooo, nice work dpkg, aptitude is AWESOME
23:21<nassrat>bja go away
23:21<ret>my new buddy is aptitude i guess
23:22<adb> /msg dpkg compiz
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23:25<NiteSnow>errr my hard drive wont mount well it will but i cant read it and it works if i mount from a live cd
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23:25<ret>dr|z3d: i installed it
23:25<ret>and um, now all my minimize and things are gone
23:26<NiteSnow>oh wait i think i need to login as root to access the files
23:26<dr|z3d>Your window furniture.
23:26<dr|z3d>Try reloading a window manager from fusion icon. Either emerald or your default.
23:26<ret>ah shite, what was I supposed to put in the window decoration command tab?
23:26<ret>it was supposed to redirect somewhere
23:27<andi87>how to install firefox in debian
23:27<andi87>i'm newbie using linux
23:27<ret>don't you already have iceweasel, andi87?
23:28<ret>iceweasel ~ firefox
23:28<andi87>ow...thank. I don't know
23:28<bja>dpkg: tell andi87 aboute iceweasel
23:28<ret>!dpkg iceweasel andi87
23:28<bja>dpkg: tell andi87 about iceweasel
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23:30<bja>dpkg: tell ret about dpkgbot
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23:30<ret>the hell are you doing
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23:31<Guest467>怎么 驱动无线网卡?
23:31<ret>por que
23:31<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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23:32<ret>quick: best desktop environment?
23:34<ret>forget that
23:34<ret>how do I install Awesome on debian?
23:34<ret>aptitude install awesome?
23:34<bja>ret: yep
23:35<ret>didnt work
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23:38<nassrat>LXDE ( although i secretly really like KDE)
23:38<nassrat>althought its as buggy as sid
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23:40<johnfg>hi folks
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23:46<SeveredC1oss>Ew, LXDE and KDE. :P
23:46<SeveredC1oss>GNOME all the way.
23:46*SeveredC1oss ducks.
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23:48<ret>!dpkg removing gnome
23:49<drakeman>!dpkg removing gnome
23:49<drakeman>that works?
23:49<ret>i wish
23:49<ret>do you use awesome? fsdl;sfl;k i need to get rid of gnome and i fkn cant
23:50<adb>ret, !remove gnome
23:50<ret>!remove gnome
23:50<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 1.x, use aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or use purge accordingly).
23:50<ret>!dpkg purge
23:50<dpkg>In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P <package>' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore config files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>."
23:50<drakeman>ret, im now im using kde, i have xfce (i want to remove it, maybe in a few days) and gnome too (the default) , maybe i will be installing lxde and remove gnome and xfce
23:51<bja>!messaging the bot
23:51<dpkg>it has been said that messaging the bot is a better way to get help from me if the information does not need to be broadcast on the channel. Just use /msg dpkg <command-without-!>
23:51<drakeman>ret mmm that way works for removing gnome? mm interesting
23:51<drakeman>bja, thanks!
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23:57<piovasco>Hello. Could someone please explain the following command, "dd if=lin_bha312.iso of=/dev/sda1 bs=4M"
23:57<piovasco>the "" part
23:58<QQ_ghost>Block Size=4 meg
23:58<bja>piovasco: man dd is most helpful
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23:58<QQ_ghost>how do I force a certain resolution at X startup?
23:58<piovasco>did man, but i dint understand
23:58<NiteSnow>you have to modify xorg.conf
23:59<piovasco> bs=BYTES
23:59<piovasco> force ibs=BYTES and obs=BYTES
23:59<QQ_ghost>piovasco: "bs=n" tells it to use a block size of n
23:59<NiteSnow>Create a file containing only zeros (bs=blocksize)
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