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---Logopened Wed Oct 07 00:00:01 2009
---Daychanged Wed Oct 07 2009
00:00<QQ_ghost>NiteSnow: I did, and it choses to not recognize that the monitor can do it until someone is logged in
00:00<piovasco>ah thanks
00:00<NiteSnow>you have to set it in the screen resolution for that account
00:01<QQ_ghost>but what about at the login screen?
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00:01<NiteSnow>idk im not to good with xorg my self
00:02<bja>piovasco: make sure that you have the correct video driver for your card
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00:07<drakeman>hey im trying to remove xfce completely for my system, i have this package left, xfce4-notifyd but when i want to remove it i get this message ----> it is safe to remove if i dot the suggestion of aptitude that is to install notification-daemon? thanks
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00:10<nassrat>!remove xfce
00:10<nassrat>!install xfce
00:10<dpkg>To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies . To install using Debian Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): Lenny: press the Tab key at d-i's boot prompt, then include desktop=xfce in the boot options; Etch: Supply the tasks=xfce-desktop boot parameter.
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00:10<nassrat>!uninstall xfce
00:10<nassrat>!purge xfce
00:10<nassrat>i forgot
00:11<kop>drakeman: It looks like a sane choice to me, but then I never use sid. YMMV
00:12<drakeman>kop, im using testing
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00:12<drakeman>is there any place where i can read about that scores
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00:12<drakeman>and it is safe if aptitude says score 48 or somethings it says something like -2800
00:12<chealer>drakeman: start by fixing your system
00:12<drakeman>chealer, my system is working fine!
00:13<kop>drakeman: You have broken packages.
00:13<chealer>drakeman: no, it has broken packages, as it's telling you
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00:14<drakeman>chealer, no the broken packages is only if i remove that xfce4-notifyd, but if i not remove that package i havent any broken packages, aptitude says ok, you can remove it but install notification-daemon
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00:15<chealer>drakeman: no, "The following packages are BROKEN:" is the present tense
00:15<nassrat>drakeman: you got a positive thats good
00:15<drakeman>chealer, but well i can install the package suggested by aptitude
00:16<drakeman>well, i installed notification daemon and it automatically removes the packages i need to remove, and now the BROKEN packages are fixed:D
00:17<nassrat>oh ur broken
00:17<drakeman>nassrat, me? no.
00:18<drakeman>ill be back
00:18<drakeman>thanks guys!
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00:33<sten>I'd like to (c)debootstrap squeeze, but it does not work, util-linux needs dpkg version from sid. how can I make it work?
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01:01<dan1913>is anybody available who can walk me through configuring apache?
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01:02<dan1913>I have some experience with it and I'm a linux user, but not a debian user (this is on someone else's box) and haven't done much in a long while
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01:07<NiteSnow>Oo apache
01:07<NiteSnow>what do you need it to do\
01:07<dan1913>before we begin
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01:08<dan1913>the box I'm installing it on is old and not exactly in the greatest condition
01:08<dan1913>it has ~192mb of free ram
01:08<dan1913>is it enough?
01:08<NiteSnow>more than enough
01:08<dan1913>I heard that you need a minimum of 256
01:09<NiteSnow>i if its a basic system no gui it dosent use much
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01:09<dan1913>well, it has more than that
01:09<dan1913>the 192 is minus all the system stuff
01:09<NiteSnow>the apache2 config files /etc/apache2/
01:10<dan1913>apache2.conf doesn't seem to have much in it
01:10<dan1913>for instance
01:10<dan1913>there is no servername
01:10<dan1913>should I add it
01:10<dan1913>or are there other config files hiding where I should put it in?
01:10<NiteSnow>wait one sec
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01:11<NiteSnow>ok you have to edit the files in sites-available
01:11<NiteSnow>those configure the sites
01:12<jm_>man a2ensite
01:12<NiteSnow>yeh i had to install apache quick cause i was blanking
01:12<dan1913>some of the stuff I remember from apache 1 is there
01:12<dan1913>but there is still some stuff missing like servername
01:12<dan1913>should I add it there?
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01:13<NiteSnow>if you have a domain pointing to the box
01:13<dan1913>I do, in fact
01:13<NiteSnow>ok good
01:14<dan1913>I checked /var/www/, it has a dummy index page in it so we know something will display if it's running
01:15<dan1913>I've added the ServerName field to default
01:15<NiteSnow>it will say It Works
01:15<dan1913>anything else I should do with that file?
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01:15<dan1913>this is easier than I remembered
01:15<NiteSnow>well what do you want to have the server do
01:15<dan1913>mainly I'm using it as a fileserver
01:15<NiteSnow>ok then your ready to go
01:16<dan1913>maybe in the future I might add stuff like the transmission web interface :P
01:16<NiteSnow>yeh i havent messed with that
01:16<dan1913>if transmission is in apt-get
01:16<NiteSnow>it is
01:16<dan1913>I've actually never used Debian before tonight, so it's been a learning experience
01:17<NiteSnow>yeh debian is nice its fast too
01:17<dan1913>I must say, if it doesn't cause a pileup, apt-get is not very intuitive :(
01:17<NiteSnow>im running on a 10yo amd system
01:17<dan1913>I much prefer pacman, but meh
01:17<NiteSnow>with debian
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01:17<dan1913>I suppose apt-get has its merits
01:17<NiteSnow>use aptitude
01:17<NiteSnow>aptitude knows all it has a search function too
01:17<NiteSnow>!tell aptitude
01:18<NiteSnow>!tell dan1913 aptitude
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01:18<NiteSnow>it hates me
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01:19<jm_>!tell dan1913 -about aptitude
01:19<NiteSnow>that works
01:19<hypyrbole>how do I grep a running process for multiple values? e.g. I want to grep a mkisofs process for "extents" "25" "50" "75" and "90"
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01:20<jm_>hypyrbole: use grep -E or egrep and read man 7 regex, the part where it mentiones |
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01:20<dan1913>it's not working
01:20<dan1913>when I try to start the process
01:20<NiteSnow>you have to do
01:20<dan1913>it tells me it's started
01:20<NiteSnow>/etc/init.d/apache2 reload
01:20<dan1913>but when I do ps aux
01:20<dan1913>it doesn't show it
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01:20<NiteSnow>try to access it
01:20<hypyrbole>thx jm
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01:21<jm_>apache2 has logfiles where it would report errors etc.
01:21<dan1913>I can access it just fine
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01:21<NiteSnow>ok then its running :P
01:22<NiteSnow>ps aux | grep apache2
01:22<NiteSnow>shows for me
01:23<dan1913>I get nothing but myself grep'ing
01:23<dan1913>thomas 7442 0.0 0.2 1712 504 pts/0 S+ 05:22 0:00 grep apache2
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01:24<NiteSnow>/usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
01:24<jm_>run this as root: netstat -nap|grep ':80'
01:25<dan1913>brb one moment
01:25<dan1913>have to deal with something
01:27<dan1913>it actually tried to run apache, it seems
01:27<dan1913>it failed
01:27<dan1913>but it tried
01:27<NiteSnow>mm hmm
01:27<dan1913>I got this: apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER}
01:28<dan1913>so I looked it up in the config file
01:28<dan1913>it's a variable representing something from envvars
01:28<dan1913>so I looked in envvars, and found this:
01:28<dan1913>export APACHE_RUN_USER=www-data
01:28<dan1913>all seems in place
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01:29<NiteSnow>it needs to be set in apache2.conf
01:29<NiteSnow>add the lines
01:29<NiteSnow>User www-data
01:29<NiteSnow>Group www-data
01:29<dan1913>there must be something wrong with it grabbing the stuff from envvars
01:29<dan1913>not like it's going to change any time soon
01:30<NiteSnow>what version of debian are you useing and how did you install apache
01:30<jm_>use init script to run it, don't use /usr/sbin/apache2
01:31<dan1913>it's lenny, I think
01:31<NiteSnow>/etc/init.d/apache2 start
01:31<dan1913>and I used apt-get to get apache
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01:31<NiteSnow>yeh try starting it with
01:31<NiteSnow>/etc/init.d/apache2 start
01:31<dan1913>should I leave the user and group stuff the same as default
01:32<dan1913>or leave it as user www-data etc
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01:32<jm_>use debian defaults
01:32<dan1913>hey hey hey
01:32<NiteSnow>yeh its default www-data
01:32<dan1913>he told me to change it :P
01:32<jm_>the values he mentioned are debian defaults
01:32<dan1913>and it's not that by default for me
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01:32<dan1913>not in apache2.conf anyway
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01:33<NiteSnow>what is it in apache2,conf
01:33<dan1913>some variable
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01:34<dan1913>User ${APACHE_RUN_USER}
01:34<dan1913>it's set in envvars that APACHE_RUN_USER=www-data
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01:34<NiteSnow>ok thats right
01:34<dan1913>but for some reason, either it doesn't like www-data or it's not communicating with envvars properly
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01:35<dan1913>gonna try to start it again
01:35<NiteSnow>brb to much fanta
01:36<dan1913>ok I got this
01:36<dan1913>Starting web server: apache2
01:36<andi87>Can you help me, how to install kylix 3 on debian 4.0!
01:36<dan1913>you realize, of course
01:36<dan1913>that's what I've had originally
01:36<dan1913>all along :(
01:36<dan1913>the fact is, it DOESN'T start apache
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01:37<dan1913>it's probably my satellite nets again
01:37<dan1913>it caches stuff
01:37<dan1913>ps aux doesn't show it
01:38<dan1913>and it doesn't show up when I try to use my web browser
01:38<NiteSnow>then look in /var/log
01:38<dan1913>not just the page, but not even a "page not found", just a connection error
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01:38<NiteSnow>look in /var/log/apache2
01:38<dan1913>I am
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01:39<dan1913>uh, this is odd
01:39<dan1913>as a regular user
01:40<dan1913>I can cd into /var/log/
01:40<dan1913>but not /var/log/apache2
01:40<dan1913>so I tried sudo cd apache2
01:40<dan1913>and it told me this:
01:40<NiteSnow>su root
01:40<dan1913>sudo: cd: command not found
01:40<NiteSnow>yeh just
01:40<NiteSnow>su root
01:40<dan1913>I don't have the root password
01:40<NiteSnow> oh shiz'
01:41<NiteSnow>yeh you kinda need that
01:41<NiteSnow>change it
01:41<delsvr>sudo -s
01:41<dan1913>remember, this is someone else's box
01:41<NiteSnow>that too
01:41<dan1913>he kind of gifted it to me
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01:41<NiteSnow>sudo passwd root
01:41<dan1913>just gave my current user sudo privileges, but either didn't want to or never bothered to tell me the pw
01:41<delsvr>dan1913, are the permissions to you serverroot/directory accessible by www-data? does the directory exist?
01:41<Ese>how can I enable systemsounds in my laptop?, I'm using debian squeeze+gnome
01:42<dan1913>delsvr: serverroot/directory?
01:42<dan1913>you mean /var/www, or /etc/apache2?
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01:42<delsvr>dan1913, whatever's defined in apache2.conf
01:43<dan1913>what I mean to say is
01:43<dan1913>do you mean where the actual web pages are located
01:43<dan1913>or where the config files are?
01:43<delsvr>where the web pages are located
01:43<delsvr>it's the ServerRoot directive
01:43<NiteSnow>he just has default
01:43<NiteSnow>do this
01:44<dan1913>if it was created during the install
01:44<dan1913>it should have the proper permissions
01:44<dan1913>but I'll check
01:44<NiteSnow>chown www-data /var/www
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01:45<EmleyMoor>If I'm using kvm (the virtual machine) and the root partition on my hard drive image is too small, is there any easy way I can make it bigger? The image is traditionally partitioned (not lvm)
01:45<delsvr>and then "sudo -s" to get into a root shell, and "tail /var/log/apache2/error.log"
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01:45<NiteSnow>yeh when you get root
01:45<delsvr>or just "sudo tail /var/log/apache2/error.log"
01:45<NiteSnow>change the password :D
01:45<jm_>EmleyMoor: you can resize regular partitions too
01:46<delsvr>dan1913, you can't use "cd" with sudo because you're still in your user's shell -- it doesn't make sense
01:46<EmleyMoor>jm_: Is there a way to add space to a kvm/qemu image?
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01:46<dan1913>we're at the heart of the matter
01:46<dan1913>[Wed Oct 07 05:35:58 2009] [alert] (12)Cannot allocate memory: apr_thread_create: unable to create worker thread
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01:46<dan1913>[Wed Oct 07 05:36:00 2009] [alert] No active workers found... Apache is exiting!
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01:48<delsvr>memory issue
01:48<delsvr>pages are probably capped
01:49<delsvr>you can probably google a solution
01:49*EmleyMoor has forgotten how to work out the offsets for host mounting too - but can probably work them out
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01:49<jm_>EmleyMoor: if it's a qemu image, you can convert it to raw, resize it with dd, convert back and then use gparted or similar
01:49<dan1913>found this
01:50<EmleyMoor>Already is raw... how would I use dd to resize it?
01:50<delsvr>dan1913, sudo apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork
01:50<delsvr>dan1913, sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
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01:51*EmleyMoor is googling
01:51<jm_>dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/imagename.raw seek=<yoursize> conv=notrunc
01:51<delsvr>dan1913, I'm assuming this is not a production server, so you don't really need threading
01:52<dan1913>it's a low-activity VPS
01:52<delsvr>then I'd install that package
01:53<dan1913>it works now
01:53<dan1913>thanks :)
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01:56<leop18>Hi guys, I installed debian Lenny netinst cd with xorg, fluxbox, alsa and vdr on my hard drive I would like someone to direct me as to how can put this system on a cd in case I need to reinstall it again?
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01:58<leop18>is it better to use live-helper or isolinux with mkisofs
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01:59<jm_>also check bootcd package
02:01<leop18>will I be able to reinstall it back on HDD
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02:02<jm_>bootcd2disk should be able to do that
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02:03<dan1913>anyway, thanks
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02:06<stevem_>Lo, I'm told using mkzftree I can make a custom debian install disc with my own extra packages (doesn't need to be a live disc - or even have a graphical installer)... but I'm finding it hard to get a guide on how to use mkzftree ... anyone know of a good one?
02:06<stevem_>I'm thinking I could roll a disc to deploy a web server with lamp stack and control panel for example (all debian packages)
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02:08<Justmeeee>ANyone awake around here I really need some help...
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02:08<NiteSnow>im awake
02:08<Justmeeee>What is up with your ISO files... I have burned this DVD two times the AMD 64 keeps saying that it fails the intergrity test
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02:09<Justmeeee>I am downloading the 5.0.3 AMD 64 CD 1
02:09<Justmeeee>Nohing wrong with my burner or anything it burns fine... but your images are pissing me off
02:10<Justmeeee>Right now it is saying that the googleearth-package_0.5.4_all.deb file failed the MD5 checksum verification
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02:11<NiteSnow>just burn the 150meg net install
02:11<NiteSnow>it just works
02:11<NiteSnow>thats what i use every time
02:11<Justmeeee>Ya but I want to burn the full version too....
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02:11<Justmeeee>If the ISOs will work...
02:12<NiteSnow>idk about those isos i could never figure out which one to burn
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02:12<NiteSnow>so i just use netinstall it gives me a gui and a full system
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02:13<Justmeeee>Ya but I would like to have the full versions on DVD as well.. which should work.... the ISOs should work but they don't
02:13<jm_>googleearth is not provided by debian
02:13<NiteSnow>yeh thats what i was thinking lol
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02:14<Justmeeee>Well it is saying that there is a package in there that is included
02:15<Justmeeee>so maybe in 5.0.3 they added it.. I run several 4.x machines here and you are right google earth was not in there.. but looks like it is in 5.0.3
02:15<EmleyMoor>The package is just an installer
02:15<NiteSnow>well all the dvds are that arnt the first one is packages
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02:16<Justmeeee>Well it is in 5.0.3 I swear I gave you the error before..
02:16<EmleyMoor>Google Earth itself is only provided by Google
02:16<Justmeeee>Well it is a package in here....
02:16<jm_>actually I am a moron, this is just a downloader in Debian
02:16<Justmeeee>if it isn't then why am I seeing a deb package for it
02:16<EmleyMoor>It's purely a download and install tool
02:17<NiteSnow>Mike-PC:/home/mike/Desktop/vlc-1.0.2# aptitude search earth
02:17<NiteSnow>p earth3d - Map client displaying a 3D model of the world
02:17<NiteSnow>p googleearth-package - utility to automatically build a Debian package
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02:17<NiteSnow>but yeh
02:17<NiteSnow>its in the repo
02:17<Justmeeee>Ya well what ever it is.. it is screwing up my install on the DVD because it says it is failing the integrity check
02:17<jm_>Justmeeee: install debian-archive-keyring package and run apt-get update
02:17<NiteSnow>so the dvds are just a copy of the refo
02:17<Justmeeee>Ya well this machine I am installing it on has no debian on it yet this is a new machine
02:17<Justmeeee>so I can't do that
02:18<jm_>if this is just about failed signature check
02:18<NiteSnow>then just use the netinstall iso
02:18<EmleyMoor>Justmeeee: Install without that and add it later
02:18<stevem_>you won't find googleearth-package on disc 1 in any case
02:18<NiteSnow>its a hell of alot simmpler
02:18<stevem_>which is what your saying your burning
02:18<Justmeeee>I am telling you it is on there
02:18<EmleyMoor>Justmeeee: It is not what you mean by it
02:19<EmleyMoor>Justmeeee: Are you talking CD or DVD? (or BD?)
02:19<Justmeeee>See now it is saying Failed to copy file from CD-ROM retry? and I keep saying yes and it goes go
02:19<Justmeeee>I am doing the install on that machine right now...
02:19<Justmeeee>I have burned this DVD 2 times now....
02:19<NiteSnow>one word netinstall :@
02:20<stevem_>you could always go for the netinst and just select a desktop environment
02:20<stevem_>same thing, just all packages come off the net
02:20<NiteSnow>see peoples agreee
02:20<Justmeeee>Yes but I want the full working copy of it too.. NOT just a netinstall come on
02:20<stevem_>NiteSnow, it's great minds you know :)
02:20<Justmeeee>I want a full working DVD set for it too
02:20<NiteSnow>well i say you cant always get what you want
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02:21<stevem_>if you think there is an issue file a bug
02:21<NiteSnow>it dosent work that way sometimes
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02:21<Justmeeee>Well I dunno it keeps giving me the same error over and over
02:21<Justmeeee>Keeps saying failed to read ....
02:22<Justmeeee>the DVD drive works fine reads everything else perfectly it isn't an issue with the drive itself...
02:22<sway>run an md5 digestion on the .iso file. that means get something that can create an md5 signature from reading the file and compare that very long number to the number that corresponds to the disc # in the md5 category
02:22<NiteSnow>most likely a bug
02:22<Justmeeee>ok hold on sway
02:22<sway>Justmeeee: no engris
02:23<jm_>did you verify md5sum of the burned image?
02:23<jm_>not on the iso, on the disc
02:23<stevem_>jm_, for that do you just md5sum /dev/sdb (for example?)
02:24<jm_>!check cd image
02:24<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD image, see . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the iso image on the mirror.
02:24<jm_>stevem_: ^^^^^^
02:24<stevem_>cool didn't know you could do that
02:24<jm_>stevem_: the head -c part is important
02:25<stevem_>yeah I figured it couldn't be just as simple as md5sum handling a device file :)
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02:25<sway>the md5sum is generated on the file to verify it downloaded properly. that usually happens before burning
02:26<jm_>that only check it downloaded properly, nto that it burned properly
02:26<jm_>anyway, if it can't copy from the disc, it's either the drive or disc
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02:26<jm_>in some rare cases it might be driver
02:27<stevem_>Anyone know about mkzftree?
02:27<jm_>not me, is that what d-i wiki says to use to build custom debian installer images?
02:27<stevem_>it might, not seen it - have a link?
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02:29<stevem_>hmm no it's different I think
02:30<jm_>perhaps try following their way to build it
02:30<stevem_>I really wanted to make a custom cd (with a lamp stack and control panel) the way Proxmox made their custom debian cd
02:30<stevem_>and they say they used mkztree
02:31<stevem_>you can see the entire filesystem on the cd... I like that - makes it easy to do little tweaks
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02:32<Justmeeee>sway ok I got the check sum of 9BD2E215E1D520BABBADFE7176A0D0EF *debian-503-amd64-DVD-1.iso
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02:34<Justmeeee>And I am looking for the check sum on the website now to compare it against and I can't find it..
02:35<Justmeeee>Ok .... so it matches...
02:35<Justmeeee>So the image is good but every time i get errors saying that it can't read files from the CD
02:35<stevem_>was yours generated from your last burtned CD or from the ISO?
02:36<Justmeeee>all images are burned from the ISO
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02:37<stevem_>md5sum debian-503-amd64-DVD-1.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s debian-503-amd64-DVD-1.iso`
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02:37<stevem_>run that with the disc in, it'll compare the ISO to the CD
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02:37<Justmeeee>Ya but this machine doesn't have deb on it yet...
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02:37<stevem_>md5sum debian-503-amd64-DVD-1.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s debian-503-amd64-DVD-1.iso` | md5sum
02:37<sway>Justmeeee: how are you using this .iso?
02:37<stevem_>sorry missed a bit
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02:38<Justmeeee>sway I am buring the image to the CD how else would you use it.. I know how to burn an iso image..
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02:38<stevem_>did you get your burner to verify after burning?
02:38<Justmeeee>I can't stevem_ as I said no deb on that box and my other machines only have CD drives that have deb on it no DVD drive
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02:38<sway>Justmeeee: i meant are you trying to run it while the computer is already powered up, or are you trying to put it in the machine, reboot
02:39<Justmeeee>I am putting it in and rebooting
02:39<sway>Justmeeee: and you burned it as a disc image?
02:39<jm_>it should be possible to do this test from d-i too
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02:40<Justmeeee>LOL yes sway it is burned properly...
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02:40<jm_>that's not the issue, it starts installing for him
02:40<Justmeeee>Ok plan B I just got a netinstall version amd I am going try that
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02:41<Justmeeee>It starts JM_ but gives me the error saying it can't read from the DVD when it is doing the install
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02:41<Justmeeee>let me try the netinstall
02:41<jm_>Justmeeee: yes, like I said, it's likely the drive or the disc
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02:41<sway>i wonder how many people just got discouraged
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02:42<Justmeeee>drive is fine.. reads other DVDS / CDs no problem.. the Disk has also been burned 2 times so that is unlikely
02:42<jm_>I've heard/seen that argument so many times ...
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02:42<sway>the discs are fine and i'm assuming the computer functions
02:42<jm_>face it, optical media just suck
02:42<NiteSnow>thats why i tell everyone to use netinstall
02:42<Bernd_amd64>netinstall from usb ... my way
02:43<NiteSnow>im on system that was installed with the i386 netinstall disc
02:43<jm_>luckily we got rid of floppies, now it's time to get rid of optical drives
02:43<NiteSnow>hahaha yeh
02:44<NiteSnow>we need something that just works i like the idea of flash
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02:45<NiteSnow>who here has google wave preview ?
02:45<sway>internet access isn't always guaranteed, but the netinstall is a much more efficient means of installing, i agree there
02:46<NiteSnow>yeh its nice and fast for me i have 15-24 meg connection
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02:47<Justmeeee>Ok here we go with the netinstall :)
02:47<NiteSnow>he/she listens :)
02:47<Justmeeee>After this i have to upgrade 3 more machines from 4.x to 5.0.3 LOL
02:47<stevem_>I'm sitting at an ISP... it's quick - very quick :D
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02:48<NiteSnow>Internet Central Limited ?
02:49<stevem_>Yup, thats who I work for
02:49<Justmeeee>Ya well I am on a 6MB/S down and 640K up DSL line here
02:49<stevem_>on the morning duty, 7am to 4pm - no one is in yet for another 1hour and 15mins
02:49<NiteSnow>im 15/768
02:50<NiteSnow>what kind of dl speed do you get stevem_
02:50<stevem_>we've got a 200mb pipe to the office/server room... don't think I've ever tested it tho
02:51<stevem_>stuff either loads or it don't here - speeds not an issue
02:52<NiteSnow>i want
02:52<Justmeeee>Lovely now it is stuck at creating the ext3 on the SCSI drive... is this machine ever going to take debian!
02:52<Justmeeee>It is trying to format the partition
02:53<Justmeeee>this is horrible i never had this much problems with 4.x
02:53<NiteSnow>i dont have any problems just some systems dont work right could be the hard drive
02:53<stevem_>o_O Google is a barcode today
02:54*stevem_ fetches the barcode reader
02:54<Justmeeee>Yep barcode readers
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02:54<jm_>tried to find image bar code reader but I failed :P
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02:55<stevem_>damn it, I know it'd be really bad of me to browse for other jobs ... like ... from works internet
02:55<stevem_>but cgiproxy can't handle all the crappy javascript they stick in these sites
02:55<stevem_>o_O I'll forward through ssh
02:55<NiteSnow>in the us i have a problem with getting my full speed due to people not haveing the upload
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02:55<stevem_>hate my job
02:56<NiteSnow>what do you do
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02:56<stevem_>NiteSnow, technically I'm a developer... but the entire company it seems has given up on development building on open source components - and now we just want to resell and support other peoples crap
02:56<stevem_>and it pays like shit
02:57<NiteSnow>mm hmm*
02:57<stevem_>I spent 2 years using debian on my desktop machine, now everyone has been forced to use vista as "company policy"... was the last straw
02:57<peej>stevem_, time to move on!
02:58<NiteSnow>bitch and be like I want linux :D or win 7
02:58<stevem_>OOOh yes, move on indeed
02:58<NiteSnow>iwn 7 is better than vista
02:58<stevem_>yeah we keep saying over and over... but they're waiting for SP1 of win7 at least#
02:58<stevem_>which personally I think they'll release specifically for those who won't install without it
02:59<NiteSnow>win 7 dosent need much improvement its good by its self windows its self needs help dearly
02:59<Bernd_amd64>what's the main reason to change to win7 ?
03:00<stevem_>I see Windows 7 like I did Windows 98 SE... it's the actual finished product
03:00<NiteSnow>yeh it just works no bugs on install or setup
03:00<stevem_>Vista (interface, stability) just seems like it's half done, and bits arn't as uniform as they should be... 7 finishes this off a bit
03:01<stevem_>but it's still you know... fucking windows... and drives me up the wall for all the usual reasons
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03:01<NiteSnow>err i cant remember the url for debian lenny testing
03:01<stevem_>lenny isn't in testing
03:02<stevem_>you mean squeeze?
03:02<NiteSnow>i thought it was lenny testing
03:02<NiteSnow>not testing
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03:02<NiteSnow>wrong thing im thinking of
03:02<NiteSnow>non free
03:02<stevem_>ah yeah non-free
03:03<NiteSnow>got it it was
03:03<NiteSnow> contrib non-free
03:03<NiteSnow>its said i have this memorized
03:04<stevem_>deb stable main contrib non-free
03:04<NiteSnow>yeh i just need java
03:05<Justmeeee>Be back...
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03:05<stevem_>anyone got any nice open source friendly sys admin jobs in the UK? :D
03:05<NiteSnow>k hb
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03:06<NiteSnow>sorry cant help you im in the land of Blue America
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03:06<NiteSnow>yeh obamas fucking up big time
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03:06<stevem_>DO YOU WANT BROWN?!
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03:06<stevem_>don't moan!
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03:07<NiteSnow>i thought he was going to bring change but we just got lots of change added to the deficet
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03:09<NiteSnow>damn compileing vlc 1.0.2 is taking forever all i see is a shit load of gcc bleh
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03:11<stevem_>NiteSnow, there was talk a while back on launchpad about them making their PPA's work with debian
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03:11<stevem_>would be a nice gesture from them
03:11<NiteSnow>ppa's ?
03:12<stevem_>the Ubuntu PPA respositories that hold lots of up to date stuff like VLC
03:12<NiteSnow>omg i would love it
03:12<NiteSnow>it would be less time consuming
03:12<stevem_>some stuff works (like on etch/lenny you can use the intrepid build of freenx from their repository just fine)
03:13<stevem_>but then that has very very few dependancies
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03:13<stew>how do PPA differ from any other debian repository?
03:13<stevem_>they don't
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03:13<stew>so what does "making their PPA's work with debian" entail?
03:13<stevem_>but when you make one you can only select ubuntu codenames (intrepid, jaunty, etc)... and they were thinking of adding debian ones
03:13<NiteSnow>did my cpu mhz show ?
03:13<stevem_>basically just to encourage people to build for debian too
03:14<NiteSnow>yeh we need it
03:14<NiteSnow>cause where a bit behin
03:14<stevem_>NiteSnow, we always will be, it's kind of the point in a way
03:14<stew>NiteSnow: so with support for PPA for debian, what would you do differently?
03:14<NiteSnow>if you have ver 5.0.3 you have to compile a lot
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03:14<stew>and you still would, right?
03:14<stevem_>stew, debian can already use PPA's
03:15<stew>ok, so what is the point?
03:15<stevem_>I've already said it
03:15<NiteSnow>ok ubuntu's PPA's have the latest stuff
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03:15<stevem_>people still need to build for debian however NiteSnow
03:15<NiteSnow>its just to have more up to date packages compiled
03:15<NiteSnow>oh i already typed that
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03:15<stew>NiteSnow: and the reason people aren't making more up to date package available for debian is that ubuntu isn't yet encouraging it ?
03:16<stevem_>so opening up the "idea" of PPA's to a joint Ubuntu/Debian community is what they were discussing
03:16<stevem_>personally I think the idea of an easy to manage repository in the form of a PPA has worked out really well
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03:16<NiteSnow>i would build alot of packages if i knew how to
03:17<stevem_>NiteSnow, you'll find a fair few on - not sure about vlc
03:17<stevem_>but people have built the latest VLC for debian lenny already tho - no need to compile
03:17<NiteSnow>um where
03:17<NiteSnow>cause i cant find anything above 0.8.6h
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03:18<stevem_>I came across it on some forum weeks back when I wasn't actually looking for it
03:18<stevem_>it was 1.0.2 in .deb form
03:18<NiteSnow>well its compiled and installing now
03:18<stevem_>I don't have a link tho sorry, but check backports tho
03:18<NiteSnow>a bit late
03:18<NiteSnow>yeh its ok
03:19<NiteSnow>have you noticed vlc dose'nt grab the list of radio stations right
03:19<stevem_>hope the office cams can't tell I'm on
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03:23<leop18>bootcdwrite created cdimage.iso of my installed system but it's 1.7Gb is there a way to compress it to 700 Mb?
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03:23<NiteSnow>prob not
03:24<jm_>leop18: not really if you have so much to backup
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03:25<leop18>can I use mkisofs to generate a compressed file on my hall system then use then generate an isoimage
03:25<stevem_>what on earth does "Data Warehousing" mean?
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03:25<kTk>Hi everyone. I have a problem with my touchpad- if I hold my finger still on my touchpad the mouse shakes a bit in small circles which is frustrating. How do I fix this?
03:26<NiteSnow>probaly a weid name for Data Center management
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03:27<NiteSnow>look in the mouse settings under system and look around
03:28<kTk>I'm using KDE, which has settings for "Pointer acceleration" and "Pinter threshold" but none of them seems to fix the problem
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03:28<kTk>it happens in gnome also
03:28<NiteSnow>damn then idk
03:28<NiteSnow>could be a driver
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03:29<NiteSnow>yeh im on gnome i never liked kde
03:29<kTk>I think i'm using the synaptics driver, not 100% sure but it's really annoying. Could it be a xorg setting?
03:29<jm_>kTk: which driver is it using for touchpad?
03:29<jm_>grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
03:29<NiteSnow>look for Sensitivity
03:30<kTk>jm_ (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers// (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input// (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//
03:30<jm_>kTk: man synaptics for a list of options
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03:31<kTk>jm_ you dont know which specific settings my problem could be related to?
03:31<jm_>kTk: unfortunatelly not, I don't use laptops
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03:31<kTk>jm_ oh okay, thanks anyway:)
03:33<NiteSnow>is it a dell laptop
03:34<kTk>no it's a Fujitsu Siemens
03:34<NiteSnow>we have a common problem :D
03:35<kTk>thats funny lol
03:35<NiteSnow>whats the mouse model
03:36<kTk>I have no idea, its a touchpad?
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03:37<kTk>Amilo Notebook Si 3655
03:37<NiteSnow>let me go googleing
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03:41<NiteSnow>um i cant find anything
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03:41<kTk>nope me neither :/
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03:46<NiteSnow>get me your xorg.conf
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03:50<tadej>my eyes will burn out .. every now and then I have a problem with menu fonts that go really big
03:51<tadej>I assume it's a vmware tools problem
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03:52<jm_>big fonts are usually a result of wrong DPI
03:53<tadej>so you are saying that debian just makes up its mind an changes DPI value?
03:53<tadej>man this OS is smart ...
03:53<tadej>never had such strange problem with a linux distro
03:53<NiteSnow>me eaither
03:53<NiteSnow>i dont have the problem with debian
03:54<NiteSnow>could be vmwar tools
03:54<NiteSnow>im running it as my primary os
03:54<tadej>dpi was causing it
03:54<tadej>but I still don't know how I manages it randomly
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03:54<jm_>smart ass comment, better to bail out
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03:55<tadej>without any user indication that I want to do so ... it just switches to bigger fonts
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03:55<NiteSnow>never seen that happen before
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03:55<tadej>me neither
03:55<Justmeeee>Anyone here run Firefox on X? I can't seem to get it to start in X if i go out to a shell it starts up if I run firefox but if I click on the same file in X it won't start.
03:56<NiteSnow>i just dont use firefox
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03:56<NiteSnow>i use opera
03:56<NiteSnow>it just works :D
03:56<Justmeeee>Firefox is great.... I want to get firefox going here
03:57<NiteSnow>are you on x64?
03:57<Justmeeee>Ya well I don't like Opra
03:57<NiteSnow>oh shit
03:57<NiteSnow>install firefox from apt-get
03:57<Justmeeee>Did and it gives me a message saying that the packge no longer exists
03:58<NiteSnow>firefox hates you
03:58<NiteSnow>yeh its not in the repos
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03:58<Justmeeee>I will get it..
03:59<jm_>use iceweasel instead
03:59<NiteSnow>yeh um it hasent been ported to lenny
04:00<Justmeeee>Bah what is iceweasel I don't trust that .... Mozilla is the only one I trust
04:00<stevem_>NiteSnow, on purpose... it's called Iceweasel in debian
04:00<Justmeeee>Iceweasel != Firefox
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04:00<NiteSnow>i know
04:00<Justmeeee>I got the firefox installer from their website...
04:01<Justmeeee>should work...
04:01<NiteSnow>yeh dosent work on debian ive tryed
04:01<stevem_>Iceweasel == Firefox + APT + Branding Change + Extra Patches
04:01<Justmeeee>LOL iceweasel is totally different don't even know if it is made by Mozilla
04:02<jm_>!why iceweasel
04:02<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>.
04:02<stevem_>it's made by the debian team
04:02<stevem_>For all intensive purposes Iceweasel is Firefox with a few tiny tweaks
04:02<stevem_>barely even noticable
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04:03<Justmeeee>Well firefox is still being offered by Mozilla they are issuing linux versions..
04:03<jm_>yeah the one shipping in Debian is a windows version
04:04<stevem_>as worthless .tar packages yes which you'll spend a while linking in - then having to keep up to date, give the right permissions, linking into libraries
04:04<stevem_>what mozilla offer for linux distro's is frankly pathetic
04:04<NiteSnow>yeh yeh it is
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04:05<tadej>iceweasel is fairly decent browser
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04:06<Justmeeee>That is a good site I am reading it now about about getting firefox working on deb thanks
04:07<tadej>it's also fun when your friends come by and they go "wooow that's a sharp firefox!!"
04:07<stevem_>lol it still won't update
04:07<tadej>no, it's iceweasel :D
04:07<stevem_>you'll be manually following that guide every time theres a new release
04:07<Justmeeee>no you can download firefox from their website they have a linux release...
04:08<stevem_>ok it's obvious I'm talking to a wall here
04:08<NiteSnow>yeh but you have to install it a certain way
04:08<Justmeeee>yep I am reading it Nitesnow
04:08<jm_>wall or troll, hard to say
04:08<Justmeeee>Who are you talking to jm?
04:09<jm_>Justmeeee: no one in particular
04:10<NiteSnow>i installed the nitly build
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04:11<stevem_>NiteSnow, see if the ubuntu launchpad folks promote that the PPA's are for the ubuntu/debian community (not just ubuntu) the mozilla-daily team could build for debian too in their PPA
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04:12<stevem_>and get a _real_ firefox that actually updates
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04:14<NiteSnow>would be nice
04:15<NiteSnow>i use firefox for some things but not all
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04:17<stevem_>chromium is in a PPA too
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04:20<NiteSnow>yeh i have chrome installed
04:20<NiteSnow>i aloso have a google wave account
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04:21<NiteSnow>see image
04:21<stevem_>yeah I've seen, can you wing one of those invites to me? (I might be arsed to try it :S)
04:21<NiteSnow>pm me your email
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04:23<NiteSnow>yeh i got a dev perview account so i was prommised a wave preview account
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04:26<NiteSnow>brb needs to piss
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04:26<stevem_>thats a liiiiitle too much information
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04:26<stevem_>oh ffs
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04:33<lucius>hi, im trying to get my user to be able to startx inside screen. i did dpkg-reconfigure x11-common, and it works from outside screen ???
04:34<jm_>lucius? why so many ??? ?
04:35<lucius>jm_: i love ??????????'s
04:35<lucius>everyone does, anyway im guess something to do with /etc/group?
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04:43<lucius>argggggh u grues help me!
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04:56<NiteSnow><lucius> ?
04:56<NiteSnow><lucius> what do you need help with
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05:07<NiteSnow>i just realized that
05:07<NiteSnow>i need to turn of this damn script
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05:13<NiteSnow>what a name for a band Starfucker ...
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05:22<namtok>hello ; is this the correct channel to bring up a dependency boot question ? or would debian-offtopic be better ?
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05:23<NiteSnow>what do you need
05:24<NiteSnow>namtok, are you there?
05:25<namtok>well, i've just switched to dependency boot and all works well but, finally, after X is up i can't type into a terminal (and somethimes into the display manager) ; something is obviously out of sequence but i don't know how to discover it
05:26<NiteSnow>hmm yeh sorry im a bit lost on that
05:26<namtok>if i kill x & the display manager (wdm), log in as root, then start the display manager, all seems well - seems X is started too early (or something else too late)
05:27<NiteSnow>could just be your display manager conflicting
05:27<NiteSnow>i use gdm
05:27<namtok>thanks, but why would it work well when it's been restarted ?
05:28<NiteSnow>im not sure
05:28<namtok>NiteSnow, what would cause a xterms to refuse to accept input ?
05:28<jm_>namtok: does it work on console?
05:29<NiteSnow>yay jm_ has awoken :D
05:29<namtok>yes, if that's what you mean - if i kill X then i can log in as root and manually start wdm
05:29<jm_>I would check X logfile
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05:30<namtok>jm_ - will do, then come back - thanks
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05:30<NiteSnow>mm hmm hb
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05:31<NiteSnow>im going to get in the shower i need to get ready to go get food
05:32<peej>namtok, what do you mean by dependency boot? Is that just what you're calling it?
05:32<NiteSnow>yeh thats what i was lost about too
05:34<jm_>might be X is trying to use evdev which is not loaded, just a gues
05:35*peej likes the name "upstart"
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05:38<NiteSnow>yeh i dont trust it
05:38<peej>namtok, jm_ suggested might be X is trying to use evdev which is not loaded, just a guess
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05:40<namtok>hello, restarted, got the same phenomena and checked the X log ; got, at the end, 'NewInputDeviceRequest failed(8)' - after which all input modules are unloaded !!
05:40<namtok>would that be evdev ?
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05:41<jm_>try grep _drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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05:43<anupam>hi! i am trying to install rxvt-unicode, but i am getting an error: "package rxvt-unicode is not available, but is referred to by another package."
05:43<jm_>namtok: another option to try would be to switch from input auto-config to manual config
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05:43<jm_>anupam: urxvt
05:43<anupam>@jm_: Couldn't find package urxvt
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05:44<jm_>anupam: are you using testing?
05:44<jm_>if so, it's not in testing now, get it from unstable or backport it
05:44<anupam>jm_: squeeze/sid
05:44<jm_>!why is rxvt-unicode not in testing
05:44<dpkg>rxvt-unicode is not in testing for the reasons listed in
05:44<namtok>jm_ - first, checked all the modules - they all load, before the final glitch, where they unload... second, switched to manual config some time ago as auto-config refused to configure my (simple) mouse correctly
05:45<locklace>judd versions rxvt-unicode
05:45<judd>locklace: rxvt-unicode -- etch: 7.9-2 lenny: 9.05-1+lenny1 sid: 9.06-1
05:45<locklace>jm_: that looks borked
05:46<locklace>rxvt-unicode has been around for a long time
05:46<anupam>any idea if i can shift my system to stable?
05:46<jm_>locklace: see the for why it's not in testing, looks normal to me
05:47<anupam>rxvt-unicode is important for me...
05:47<anupam>i am trying apt-get --reinstall -t stable, but it is not working
05:47<jm_>namtok: check BTS then
05:47<locklace>jm_: where specifically
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05:48<namtok>is there some form of diagnostic routine for dependency boot around ? implemented the graphics diagram but i can't see anything particular
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05:48<jm_>locklace: where it says it has new bugs
05:48<jm_>locklace: the dpkg link above
05:50<locklace>jm_: huh? doesn't make any sense to me at all. the only bug there has been around for more than a year
05:50<locklace>rxvt-unicode has been in testing forever, i installed it myself not long ago
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05:51<jm_>locklace: well that doesn't make it will enter testing does it? if the bug is rc
05:51<jm_>mean not make
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05:52<jm_>it has been marked serious on sep 9
05:52<jm_>makes perfect sense to me
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05:52<locklace>ok. so if that happens the package will get taken out of testing
05:53<anupam>is it in unstable, then?
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05:53<jm_>yes, see judd's response earlier
05:53<locklace>anupam: yeah
05:54<anupam>jm_: judd: locklace: ok.. thanks...
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05:54<locklace>the "serious" classification is somewhat stupid here pragmatically, even if it's correct formally
05:54<jm_>I suppose someone will adjust this someday
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06:01<jmho>hi, how can I switch between several versions of gcc/cpp/g++?
06:01<jm_>jmho: you don't "switch" between them
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06:02<jmho>jm_: ok, what do I do then? ;)
06:02<jm_>jmho: what are you trying to do?
06:02<jmho>I want to compile qt and kde as I do every day, only I want to use gcc 4.4 instead of 4.3
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06:03<jm_>so tell it to use gcc-4.4
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06:03<jmho>I tried to export CC=gcc-4.4, but that does not have effect on cpp and g++
06:04<jm_>you probably need to set different var for that: make CC=gcc-4.4 CXX=g++-4.4
06:05<jmho>jm_: thx, I see. coming from gentoo I thought it would be possible to switch
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06:10<jm_>jmho: some other packages use alternatives for this, but not gcc
06:11<jm_>alternatives is more for similar tools providing the same functionality, here it's just multiple versions and as a bonus you can have several versions installed at the same time
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06:13<jmho>jm_: yes, I had a look at update-alternatives also
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06:38<NiteSnow>I GOT A MCGRIDDLE #7
06:38<NiteSnow>awe shit
06:38<NiteSnow>and worng chan
06:39<locklace>you've been in the wrong channel since you got here
06:39<locklace>!smack NiteSnow
06:39*dpkg smacks NiteSnow upside the head.
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06:39<NiteSnow>ive been here for awhile
06:39<locklace>more's the pity
06:40<NiteSnow>i just got back from micky d's
06:40<locklace>do you have a debian question
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06:40<NiteSnow>yeh how do you install a flux compositor into the kernel
06:41<NiteSnow>im makeing a computer system for my delorian
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06:43<NiteSnow>hmm cat got your toung or did this happen cat locklace | grep shutup
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06:59<miguel>can i also write to ntfs ?
07:00<NiteSnow>aptitude install ntfs-3g
07:00<NiteSnow>you can
07:00<miguel>and its not very unsafe?
07:01<NiteSnow>oh its safe
07:01<NiteSnow>i use it all the time
07:01<miguel>great, thx !
07:01<NiteSnow>just use your regular mount command :D
07:02<NiteSnow>mount -t ntfs /dev/device /mount/point/here
07:02<NiteSnow>im not sure if you have to use -t ntfs anymore
07:03<Gromitt>mount -t ntfs-3g to ensure using the newer module.
07:03<Gromitt>I think.
07:03<NiteSnow>or or or
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07:03<miguel>ill try
07:04<NiteSnow>ntfs-3g /dev/device /mount/point/here
07:04<miguel>i mount via etc/fstab
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07:04<NiteSnow>/dev/device /mount/point ntfs defaults 0 0
07:04<Gromitt>miguel: then put ntfs-3g as fs into the fstab.
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07:06<miguel>i wonder why this keeps happening to me:
07:06<miguel>mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /mnt/sdb1/ busy
07:07<miguel>it is NOT mounted
07:08<NiteSnow>umount /dev/sdb1
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07:08<miguel>ya, it says its NOT mounted
07:08<Gromitt>miguel:look into /etc/mtab whether /dev/sdb1 is mentioned there.
07:08<miguel>not mentioned there
07:08<NiteSnow>cat /etc/mtab | grep sda1
07:09<NiteSnow>cat /etc/mtab | grep sdb1 *
07:09<Gromitt>.o0(grep sdb1 /etc/mtab) ... ;-)
07:09<miguel>i just plugged and unplugged it
07:10<miguel>and now its not busy anymore...
07:10<NiteSnow>yeah cause you interrupted its fornication of your i/o interface
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07:11<erKURITA>And probably winded up fudging it
07:12<miguel>should not umask=000 give EVERYBODY all rights on the files?
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07:13<miguel>because now i get somethjing like: drwxr-xr-x 1 root root
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07:20<miguel>how can i mount all files with read and write permissions?
07:22<miguel>ok it seems i have to set an uid
07:22<ret>Anyone here running KDE on their Debian?
07:22<dpkg>[kde] K Desktop Environment, based on the Qt toolkit. See for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (, see also <kde_trouble>. KDE-related IRC channels:
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07:44<NiteSnow>i found the best package ever
07:44<NiteSnow>apt-get install sysvconfig :D
07:45<NiteSnow>if installed you can do service <service> <action>
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07:49<jm_>as in restart etc?
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07:50<NiteSnow>so like
07:50<jm_>man invoke-rc.d
07:50<NiteSnow>service apache2 restart
07:50<NiteSnow>i know
07:51<NiteSnow>but i like the service command i got so used to it
07:53<NiteSnow>its quicker to type service than it is to type invoke-rc.d
07:53<NiteSnow>well for me
07:53<jm_>you don't use shell completion?
07:53<NiteSnow>idk why i added :P
07:53<NiteSnow>what is shell completion
07:53<jm_>tab key?
07:54<jm_>i.e. inv<tab>
07:54<NiteSnow>it dose nothing for me
07:54<jm_>and thanks to a freindly feller from #debian we also have invoke-rc.d completion for zsh :)
07:54<jm_>try <tab><tab>
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07:55<jm_>might be more than one thing called inv
07:55<NiteSnow>i had to add an 0
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07:56<NiteSnow>omg the trees outside are turning orange
07:56<cubiq>hi all. I have a gigabit eth. ethtool recognize it as 1000baseT/Full, speed is set to 1000Mb/s, but the router sees it as 100mb... I tryed to change cable but I get always the same result. Any idea?
07:56<jm_>try /etc/bash_completion if you're using bash
07:57<ComradeHaz>Guys, what arch build should be used on an Atom processor?
07:57<NiteSnow>tab tab worked
07:57<NiteSnow>atom is i386
07:57<ComradeHaz>Oh really\/
07:57<ComradeHaz>no 64bit supoport?
07:58<jm_>not sure, probably 686 will do
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07:58<NiteSnow>not to my knowlage
07:58<ComradeHaz>hmm, ok, thanks
07:58<NiteSnow>whats 686 ?
07:58<NiteSnow>i never got that
07:58<jm_>there are kernel patches for atom support, you can also look up those
07:58<NiteSnow><cubiq> you need a gigabit router
07:58<ComradeHaz>i386 will do
07:58<ComradeHaz>thanks all
07:59<cubiq>NiteSnow: I obviously have a gigabit router :)
07:59<NiteSnow>ill check though if it has x64 support
07:59<NiteSnow>ok the your routers fucking retarded
07:59<jm_>how do you know what your router sees it as? different LED colour?
07:59<cubiq>ahaha :) yeah probably
07:59<NiteSnow>Instruction set MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, x86, x86-64 (not for the N and Z series)
08:00<NiteSnow>so it depends on the proccer series
08:00<cubiq>jm_: yes, plus I have a web console to the router I can see the port speeds from
08:00<NiteSnow>cubiq, try setting it the network configuration tool
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08:00<jm_>cubiq: can you paste ethtool output on pastebin?
08:01<NiteSnow>am i here
08:01<adb>!++tell NiteSnow -about enter
08:01<NiteSnow>i know
08:01<NiteSnow>i forget sometimes
08:01<NiteSnow>well its not that i forget im just an idot
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08:03<NiteSnow>ok thats just the supported
08:03<NiteSnow>you need to configure it in the settings
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08:03<piovasco>Im getting an error that says that /tmp has no more space... can i just go into the /tmp directory and erase its contents?
08:04<NiteSnow>question did you set /tmp as a seperate partition?
08:04<jm_>cubiq: this looks fine to me
08:04<jm_>cubiq: but do you really care what the link speed is to your router?
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08:05<piovasco>i dindt do the instalation, but let me check
08:05<jm_>I mean is your connection faster than 100Mbps?
08:05<cubiq>jm_: nope :) as soon as it really goes at 1gb
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08:06<jm_>cubiq: probably best to test it with somethin glike netperf if this is for LAN
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08:06<piovasco>NiteSnow: doesnt apear so, but / and home i think are on doiferent partitions
08:06<piovasco> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
08:06<piovasco>/dev/hdb1 * 1 851 6835626 83 Linux
08:06<piovasco>/dev/hdb2 852 3649 22474935 5 Extended
08:06<piovasco>/dev/hdb5 852 933 658633+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris
08:06<piovasco>/dev/hdb6 934 3649 21816238+ 83 Linux
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08:06<cubiq>jm_: thanks I'll test it a bit more, maybe it's just a "false positive"
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08:07<NiteSnow>its ok
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08:08<NiteSnow> cubiq use mii-tool -v
08:09<jm_>mii-tool is obsolete
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08:09<NiteSnow>it works
08:09<NiteSnow>so shh
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08:09<NiteSnow>i think it dose
08:09<jm_>no, it only works for old drivers
08:09<NiteSnow>awe shit
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08:10<NiteSnow>works for me
08:11<adb>!tell NiteSnow -about enter
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08:15<piovasco>here is my fdisk result, Can't really tell from it if tmp was set as a dif partition.
08:15<cubiq>jm_: yes speed is actually at 100mbits
08:16<cubiq>so something's wrong here
08:18<cubiq>(I used iperf)
08:19<NiteSnow>ethtool -s eth0 1000 duplex full
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08:20<cubiq>I tried with ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000 duplex full autoneg off
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08:21<cubiq>but it's stuck at 100... could it be a driver issue?
08:21<jm_>cubiq: but it's wierd supported settings lists only one speed for you
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08:22<cubiq>jm_: yeah I noticed that too
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08:23<other>hey i need here
08:23<NiteSnow>what do you need ?
08:23<other>i am trying to document file handling system calls in linux
08:24<other>can u get me started ???
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08:24<other>hey Nite Snow u there
08:24<NiteSnow>you've lost me
08:25<other>Nite Help me out man
08:25<NiteSnow>someone else will have to take that
08:25<other>I never had u
08:25<NiteSnow>what do you mean exactly explain ti
08:26<other>i want to explain system calls provided in linux API that handle file operationss!!!
08:26<jm_>*which* fil eoperations
08:27<NiteSnow>like in programing look at the source of things like mv ls and cp
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08:27<other>create delete
08:27<jm_>man open unlink
08:27<jm_>(section 2)
08:28<other>man i am here to DOCUMent things its my presentation On how linux handles file operations and comparsion of variuos filesystems it offers
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08:55<generallee>The following packages have unmet dependencies.
08:55<generallee> libc-dev-bin: Depends: libc6 (> 2.9) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 is to be installed
08:55<NiteSnow>apt-get -f install
08:55<generallee>I did
08:56<NiteSnow>ok try installing with aptitude
08:56<NiteSnow>aptitude works better
08:56<generallee>aptitude install libc-bin
08:56<generallee>-bash: aptitude: command not found
08:56<generallee>I cant install it either.
08:57<generallee>Building dependency tree... Done
08:57<generallee>You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
08:57<generallee>The following packages have unmet dependencies.
08:57<generallee> aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6-4.8
08:57<generallee> Depends: libcwidget3 but it is not going to be installed
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08:57<NiteSnow>what did you do to it previously
08:57<NiteSnow>its a bot
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08:58<generallee>tried to install some packages, but it failed during the install cause of the libc6
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08:58<NiteSnow>apt-get install libc6
08:58<NiteSnow>its installed and working for me
08:59<generallee>It stoppen again.
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09:00<jm_>generallee: don't install packages from sid on stable
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09:01<generallee>jm_, how do I fix it then?
09:01<jm_>generallee: fix what?
09:02<digitaloktay>generallee, please paste it into nopaste service
09:02<jm_>you can't install packages from sid on a system running stable - it's not fixable
09:02<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
09:03<NiteSnow>pastebin takes about 5 minutes to actualy load for me for some reason
09:03<NiteSnow>yeh it wont even load
09:04<digitaloktay>generallee, do you try "apt-get install -f"
09:04<NiteSnow>yeh he did
09:04<generallee>I have installed SID on a stable system...
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09:04<generallee>As jm_ said
09:05<generallee>So I guess I have to reinstall everything then?
09:05<NiteSnow>i think its your repost
09:05<jm_>you should be able to recover by downgrading manually
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09:06<generallee>I did a "apt-get dist-upgrade"
09:06<generallee>Got damn
09:06<NiteSnow>awe shit
09:06<NiteSnow>never use that
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09:06<locklace>generallee: welcome to sid
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09:07<digitaloktay> please read that
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09:08<digitaloktay>"sid" is subject to massive changes and in-place library updates. This can result in a very "unstable" system which contains packages that cannot be installed due to missing libraries, dependencies that cannot be fulfilled etc. Use it at your own risk!
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09:08<generallee>Well, I should do a reinstall then.
09:09<NiteSnow>uhhh yeh
09:09<NiteSnow>i think
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09:09<NiteSnow>but prob a diff way to fix
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09:09<squish>I used sid for more than a year without the need to reinstall.
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09:10<NiteSnow>what ver number is sid
09:10<squish>the only problem is, that you have to read the bugreport, if something doesn't work.
09:10<squish>sid has a version number?
09:10<NiteSnow>idk if it dose
09:10<NiteSnow>im asking lol
09:11<NiteSnow>whats the output of
09:11<NiteSnow>cat /etc/debian_version
09:12<squish>I'm using stable right now.
09:12<NiteSnow>not you
09:12<NiteSnow>or you
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09:12<NiteSnow>im on 5.0.3 btw
09:12<digitaloktay>generalle has sid/squeeze :)
09:13<NiteSnow>mm hmm
09:13<NiteSnow>but what version number is sid
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09:13<NiteSnow>i never got that
09:13<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
09:14<dpkg>rape is, like, forced sexual intercourse widely considered a serious offense throughout the world and not a word to be treated lightly, as it offends some people's personhood at a very deep level.
09:14<NiteSnow>we good
09:14<digitaloktay>never change a running system :P
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09:15<generallee>I fixed it in a wierd way I think
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09:16<NiteSnow>mm hmm
09:16<generallee>But how do I install libcurl4-openssl-dev"
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09:16<NiteSnow>well i would assume with apt-get but other than that idk
09:17<NiteSnow>damn my lol nees
09:17<NiteSnow>i need to stop using it i use it in the worng places
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09:17<generallee>E: Couldn't find package libcurl4-openssl-dev
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09:18<NiteSnow>try aptitude update
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09:22<NiteSnow>ok do
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09:22<NiteSnow>cat /etc/apt/sources.list
09:22<NiteSnow>put it in
09:22<NiteSnow>then link me
09:22<NiteSnow>ill see whats missing
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09:23<NiteSnow>im laying down
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09:23<NiteSnow>ok im sitting up :D
09:23<lbt_>hi - I'm writing a pre-seed config. I see that db_fset is being used in the code right before the db_input... does this 'force' the answer? The particular question is critical user-setup/password-weak
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09:26*arw hello folks
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09:27<steffan>arw: hi
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09:27<arw>hi ;)
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09:28<Emery>How would i go about updating KDE4 to the newest version ?
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09:29<digitaloktay>Emery, do you have sid ?
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09:30<Emery>i *think* it's lenny
09:30<Emery>or newest debian 5
09:31<steffan>Emery: more /etc/debian_version
09:31<digitaloktay>debian 5 has kde3.5x, testing and sid has kde 4
09:31<Emery>well i added some repos
09:32*father_marc rubs his scalp and shakes his head.
09:32<Zathraz>Hi. I am trying to run on my Debian Lenny box. It's a PERLscript. Other perlscripts run fine on Apache2 or from cli. This one does only run on console. Apache offers it as a downloadable and does not execute it. Not in it's own directory and not in cgi-bin. No serious errors in log afaik. Tried it with and without mod_perl (which seems to be troublesome itself). Any pointers appreciated
09:32<NiteSnow>i think you can get 4 on lenny i had it before a while ago
09:33<Emery>do i need to change debian to testing .. or unstable ?
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09:33<steffan>!tell Emery -about stable
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09:34<digitaloktay>NiteSnow, testing has 4.3.1 kde
09:34<Emery>i think this version is 4.1
09:34<Emery>isn't 4.5 out though ?
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09:35<digitaloktay>Emery, cat /etc/debian_version
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09:35<NiteSnow>hmm hmm
09:35<NiteSnow>ok thats lenny
09:35<sinyris>hello all, please, i've just install leny on my eeepc, but i don't have the graphic acceleration with my intel gma959, who i can do that? thx in advance =)
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09:36<Emery>i mean could i download KDE and compile it myself ?
09:36<NiteSnow>oh the bitch that would be
09:36<Emery>yeah i know =/
09:36<NiteSnow>i say wait
09:36<Emery>oh wait
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09:37<Emery>4.3 is newest
09:37<NiteSnow>and sinyris video drivers can be obtained from intels site if not tough luck
09:37<Emery>if i change to testing
09:37<Emery>i can apt-get ?
09:37<Gold24>Emery: sid will have newer or the same as testing
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09:37<Gold24>oh nm
09:38<Gold24>forget what i said
09:38<Emery>lol :P#
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09:39<Gold24>testing has 4.3.1
09:39<Emery>so how would i go about changing to testing ?
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09:40<sinyris>hello all, please, i've just install leny on my eeepc, but i don't have the graphic acceleration with my intel gma959, who i can do that? thx in advance =)
09:40<Pryon>!tell Emery about stable->testing
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09:41<sinyris>thanks you NiteSnow =) have a nice day
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09:42<dke>anyone online ?
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09:42<NiteSnow>im online
09:43<dke>hi NiteSnow :)
09:43<NiteSnow>hi dke
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09:43<dke>first of all, sorry for my bad english, im from argentina :)
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09:43<dke>i wanna know if it exists a software which shows me "total downloaded" since first install
09:43<NiteSnow>you english willr probaly be better than mine and im from america ..
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09:44<dke>cause i already had one, but only show me the downloaded data of the session, if i restart, counter goes 0
09:44<NiteSnow>um i dont think that exist
09:44<NiteSnow>i knnow you can see total since last reboot
09:44<dke>vnstat exists, but only create dbs of months
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09:45<dke>i just want one which shows me, e.g: "Total downloaded since (debian-install date):" xxx gb
09:45<NiteSnow>yeh ill look
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09:45<dke>thanks :)
09:46<locklace>dke: that's not possible
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09:46<NiteSnow>:d like i said
09:46<locklace>dke: only way to get that kind of info is to install something like vnstat right after your debian install
09:46<dke>yeah, i already have vnstat
09:46<locklace>dke: there's nothing in the base system that stores persistent data about network usage
09:46<dke>but vnstat doesnt show total downloaded
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09:46<locklace>what do you mean
09:46<dke>only shows information about days and months
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09:47<Pryon>you'd have to roll your own
09:47<dke>i dont care to start today the "count"
09:47<dke>but i want tomorror, that count increase even i restart or not
09:48<dke>vnstat do this:
09:48<dke>dke@debian:~$ vnstat --months
09:48<dke> eth0 / monthly
09:48<dke> month rx | tx | total
09:48<dke> Oct '09 850.37 MB | 91.57 MB | 941.94 MB %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%::
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09:48<dke>ups .. my bad
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09:49<locklace>dke: vnstat -q gives you the full totals
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09:50<dke>i am a stupid
09:50<dke>thanks locklace i love you! xDD
09:51<OicrealFlamalaer>please someone say rules iptables for block any mac?
09:51<Emery>sid is testing yes ?
09:52<cahoot>mac as in aplle?
09:52<locklace>OicrealFlamalaer: use --mac-source to block based on source mac address. man iptables
09:52<Emery>which was it testing or unstable that had kde4.3
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09:53<locklace>judd versions kde-base
09:53<judd>locklace: kde-base --
09:53<locklace>judd versions kdebase
09:53<judd>locklace: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 sid: 5:54 squeeze: 5:54
09:55<OicrealFlamalaer>i try mac source
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09:55<OicrealFlamalaer>but i need block any mac...
09:56<locklace>kde package version numbering is weird
09:56<locklace>judd versions kdebase-bin
09:56<judd>locklace: kdebase-bin -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:4.3.1-1 squeeze: 4:4.3.1-1
09:56<Titan8990>OicrealFlamalaer, iptables is not the guy for the job
09:56<Titan8990>OicrealFlamalaer, you want a static arp table most likely
09:56<locklace>OicrealFlamalaer: huh? block any mac? why not just shut down the interface
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09:57<Titan8990>locklace, because that kills the connection.... my guess is he wants to prevent arp poisoning
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09:57<OicrealFlamalaer>locklace...need to block all macs release only the known
09:57<locklace>not into guessing. if he wants help, he can state the problem he's trying to solve
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09:58<Titan8990>OicrealFlamalaer, then static arp is exactly what your looking
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09:58<Titan8990>locklace, that is true
09:58<Pryon>OicrealFlamalaer: drop/reject by default and the use -m mac on your input chain to accept
09:58<locklace>OicrealFlamalaer: so just add a permit for the allowed mac, followed by a deny of everything
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09:59<locklace>Titan8990: nothing he's said in any way implies this has anything to do with arp
09:59<OicrealFlamalaer>I begat on static arp and Rules Default DROP ( my ingles is very very bad XD)
09:59<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:00<Titan8990>locklace, if he only wants to communicate with mac addys that he explicitly specifies, a static arp table can accomplish this
10:00<OicrealFlamalaer>yes br, but chanel br is... not good :(
10:00<locklace>Titan8990: not really
10:01<OicrealFlamalaer>thanks for help :) i am got o seach
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10:06<NiteSnow>brb i need to reboot my modem
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10:07<Titan8990>locklace, not really?
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10:08<Titan8990>locklace, give your interface the noarp option then make a static arp table. then try to communicate with it form a device not in that table
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10:42<neo>hi any one there to chat with me
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10:43<neo>whats yr name
10:43<Koolraap>Koolraap ;)
10:43<azeem>neo: this is not a chat room
10:43<azeem>neo: do you have a Debian support question?
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10:43<Koolraap>I do :)
10:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
10:43<neo>that why i m coming here
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10:44<neo>i enter this com
10:44<neo>but m not find interface
10:44<neo>what happen
10:44<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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10:46<neo>hey 1thing tell me
10:46<neo>how to run rar file
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10:47<neo>in backtrack 4 final
10:47<Koolraap>lol, that isn't debian ;)
10:47<neo>there is com. for that
10:47<Koolraap>but do you have a command 'rar' ?
10:48<piovasco>hey, can debian be installed on to a second hardrive from a linuzxdistro installed on the primary hardrive? or at least from the already runnng linux system copy the necesary files onto the second harddrive to boot a net installation?
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10:49<piovasco>the second ive found some stuff googlin
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10:49<piovasco>*the second question
10:49<neo>m install in direct hard disk
10:49<neo>i have one com
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10:50<neo>sudo ln -fs /usr/bin/rar
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10:52<neo>how to install sound drive
10:52<locklace>!lart neo
10:52*dpkg does a little 'renice 20 -u neo'
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10:53<neo>my mother config asus P5N73-AM
10:53<phuc>everybody here
10:53<neo>koolraap u there
10:53<NiteSnow><piovasco> no you have to use a cd or a flash drive
10:53<neo>tell me
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10:54<neo>how to install sound drive in backtrack 4 final
10:54<gsimmons>neo: BackTrack is not supported here. Please ask for support in #remote-exploit on
10:54<Koolraap>busy, sry
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10:55<NiteSnow> yeh back track isent even debian based
10:55<NiteSnow>its slax
10:55<Titan8990>NiteSnow, yes it is
10:55<Titan8990>NiteSnow, as of BT4
10:55<Titan8990>neo, #remote-exploit on freenode
10:55<Titan8990>oh, someone already said that
10:56<neo>give me asus mother broad sound drive link
10:57<NiteSnow>hahaha Pryon
10:58<azeem>neo: if you do not have a Debian support question, please either keep quiet or leave
10:58<neo>what happen dude
10:58<bja>dpkg: tell neo about backtrack
10:59<locklace>neo: all your base are belong to us
10:59<neo>i can't install sound drive plz help me
10:59<NiteSnow>we cant help much as we dont support backtrack
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11:00<NiteSnow>#remote-exploit on << they do
11:00<neo>ok thnks
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11:05<digitaloktay>backtrack is now based on ubuntu
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11:06<digitaloktay>but here is debian
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11:06<Koolraap>I've got two raid arrays, 4x1TB RAID 5 md9 and 2x1TB RAID 1 md0
11:06<Koolraap>md0 is the system drive and md9 is storage, I want to merge all 6 drive's to 6x1TB RAID 5
11:06<Koolraap>how can i do this (copying system files to md9 and remapping that as the main mount point) ?
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11:06<digitaloktay>you must go to #remote-exploit on neo
11:07<Koolraap>can someone help with this ?
11:07<bja>Koolraap: I guess doing a fresh install is out of the question right?
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11:08<NiteSnow>yeh im lost there never used rain
11:08<NiteSnow>yeh im lost there never used raid*
11:08<Koolraap>although i've only got 2500GB of important data on md9 and 50gb of essential data on md0
11:08<Koolraap>so there is some room to play around
11:08<neo>hey backtrack n ubuntu are same na ?
11:09<azeem>neo: ask ubuntu
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11:10<neo>i know ubuntu
11:10<digitaloktay>#remote-exploit on
11:10<bja>Koolraap: moving the array configuration is not precisely a good idea on a live system
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11:12<Koolraap>well the storage disks mostly contain game's and movie's so it's not essential to keep them so I'm willing to sacrifice some security for lazyness for that data
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11:12<Koolraap>origionally it was an two disk array, twice upgraded to 4 disks
11:13<neo>there is need anti virus to backtrack4 final
11:14<neo>koolraap u there
11:14<Koolraap>neo, you should ask the people at backtrack for help. this channal is for debian support only (as far as i know)
11:14<locklace>neo: if you're too dumb to understand 2983589209124219 people all telling you to go to #remote-exploit on to ask your backtrack questions, you're definitely too dumb to figure out backtrack
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11:15<digitaloktay>#remote-exploit on neo
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11:15<bja>!beer locklace
11:15*dpkg pours a litre of Spaten Optimator for locklace
11:16<neo>You don't have permission to access / on this server.
11:16<bja>Where is the bartender?
11:16<azeem>neo: this is not an irc helpdesk
11:16<digitaloktay>neo, /server
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11:17*NiteSnow pours locklace some spic 'n span
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11:17<digitaloktay>hmm ipv6
11:17<noflash>w00t :)
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11:17<NiteSnow>you know what sucks balls ?
11:18<Koolraap>but does anyknow know a way to merge two arrays of wich one is the system drive ?
11:18<NiteSnow>not me
11:18<Koolraap>anyone else :( ?
11:19<NiteSnow>but to my last question this dose
11:19<NiteSnow>Yellow 9/21/2009 11:00:00 PM CLEVELAND, NORTH OLMSTEAD, LIMA, NEO NORTH, LAKESIDE
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11:19<NiteSnow>well at the top there should have been network/service degrade
11:19<NiteSnow>or whatever
11:20<NiteSnow>so now i have 2mbit instead of 15mbit
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11:21<NiteSnow> :'(
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11:25<neo>how to remove BT password
11:25<neo>plz tell me prcess
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11:29<neo>wating for repllly
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11:29<babilen>neo: Various people in this channel already told you that this is *NOT* the correct channel for BT related question. So please stop asking questions regarding BT in here.
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11:31<babilen>neo: Join #remote-exploit on and ask you questions there
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11:50<NiteSnow>neo learn this word
11:50<dpkg>methinks rape is forced sexual intercourse widely considered a serious offense throughout the world and not a word to be treated lightly, as it offends some people's personhood at a very deep level.
11:51<NiteSnow>run far far away
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11:52<neo>rape means run far far away ??
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11:54<sney>hey neo, just a question before you leave
11:54<NiteSnow>damn it realy is a lost cause
11:54<sney>how did you get into BT in the first place?
11:54<NiteSnow>yeh thats what im wondering
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11:55<azeem>sney: please keep it on topic
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11:55<neo>sry m not getting
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11:57<NiteSnow>omg it's hellen keller
11:57<sney>azeem: just trying to get a handle on the "hi I don't know how to use linux, help me with this hacker livecd that isn't debian" guys who keep showing up in here. They must be hearing about it from somewhere. I'd like to know what that is so I can formulate a better response to them when they show up and be more off-topic than I ever am
11:57<sney>but I don't think this guy is going to help me, I'll wait for the next one
11:57<neo>u all r hacker
11:58<dpkg>hacker is probably someone that hacks. see hacking. or an interesting essay can be found at Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiosity.
11:58<dpkg>[cracker] defined at
11:58<valdyn>neo: read some ^^
11:59<neo>u all r cracker
12:00<steffan>neo: is there something that you need help with?
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12:00<Maulkin>Bah, *not
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12:00<Maulkin>Mind you, he can't complain about *MY* spelling.
12:01<newbie117>Hi) Can anyone help how to change language (X11 applications) from native to english, keymap and encoding should remain native
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12:02<Titan8990>i have been told that we banned neo from #re
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12:03<steffan>!tell newbie117 -about xorg.conf
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12:04<supaman>hey ... I just got a debian machine here at work and they have this Konica Minolta bizhup c350 printer shared between different institutions, to see which institute prints what they use access numbers (in windows you click print, then properties or something similar and then advanced and fill in an access number), does linux/cups support such access number scheme (I am the only user on this machine so it doesn't matter if the number is somewhere in a config fil
12:06<newbie117>)) I just look at it (xorg.conf) and can't find anything applaiable (( Will at change console messages language also?
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12:09<newbie117>In gnome there is a special setting that changes everything OK, but I use LXDE...
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12:13<steffan>newbie117: /etc/X11/xorg.conf contains all the available options
12:13<steffan>newbie117: have you read 'man xorg.conf'?
12:14<newbie117>I found keymap only. If this option is present why isn't it already set to native language actually is using
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12:28<Scalpel>Since the grub-pc update from uesterday my box (the other one, unstable) won't boot. It hangs during loading the kernel. Any known problem?
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12:30<cahoot>it finds a kernel at least?
12:30<Scalpel>cahoot: it starts bootinh
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12:30<cahoot>you get a menu?
12:30<Scalpel>I suspect that it hangs when trying to mount the root fs
12:30<Scalpel>cahoot: got beong the menu\
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12:32<cahoot>the splash obscures any error+
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12:34<Scalpel>cahoot: not to my knowledge. The last thing I see (disableling the quiet option) is "type=2000 audit(12544940351.744:1) initialized
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12:36<sway>hey man
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12:41<raylu>thoughts on muddleftpd? is it better than pureftpd or proftpd for running an anonymous ftp server?
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12:43<steffan>raylu: try and find out?
12:43<stuckey>how can I restore my x session after it gets screwed up... like, I've launched a program and it crashed and it changed my screen resolution
12:43<bartm>raylu: I usually look at the popcon stats when making such a choice
12:43<raylu>stuckey: xrandr
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12:44<steffan>tadej: hi
12:45<stuckey>raylu: just gives me usage options
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12:45<bartm>stuckey: change the screen resolution twice
12:45<steffan>stuckey: CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE will restart X
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12:46<raylu>stuckey: so use those options
12:46<stuckey>raylu: doesn't have anything for resolution listed
12:47<raylu>stuckey: -s
12:47<stuckey>raylu: still messed up
12:47<raylu>stuckey: more information?
12:47<stuckey>I did xrandr -s 1280x1024
12:47<raylu>and what happened?
12:48<stuckey>raylu: the text i'm reading now is huge... so I have to scroll around to read all of it
12:48<stuckey>like I can't display the entire irssi window... it's like off screen partially
12:48<stuckey>raylu: tried running quake 4
12:48<raylu>are you using multihead/twinview/xinerama?
12:48<bartm>stuckey: try running q4 again and gracefully exit, might restore things
12:48<tadej>trying to install vmware tools ... how can I force gcc 4.1.x instead of 4.3.x? if I deselect the 4.3.x package in pkg manager I also lose build tools. any idea?
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12:49<cahoot>using a proprietary driver with limited support for xrandr?
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12:54<raylu>sigh. twoftpd is the most failure i've seen in a long while
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13:01<raylu>wzdftpd depends on vcs... muddleftpd depends on mysqlclient... sigh.
13:01<bartm>raylu: apt-cache search ftpd
13:01<raylu>bartm: did that.
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13:02<bartm>raylu: looks like pure-ftpd has a respectable popcon
13:03<raylu>indeed. but i've used it already and it feels a bit bloated
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13:04*Maulkin just uses vsftpd
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13:17<peej> - is that what a wpa2 (the current "right" wireless encryption) is supposed to look like?
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13:26<raylu>all hail wzdftpd. it works :D
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13:27<raylu>peej: here's what mine looks like:
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13:37<exu>i've got a problem with the icons of the mounted partitions, each of it is there twic.. i tried it with a reboot and to delete the 2nd icons while the partitions are unmounted, but it didnt helped
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13:45<exu>.. problem solved
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13:48<peej>raylu, I guess the encryption is fine. But I have a signal that is only 5/5. Yours goes all the way up to 70/70.
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13:49<raylu>peej: that's due to my wireless card and driver, nothing to do with the AP
13:49<raylu>wireless signal strengths have never been reliable
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13:50<nafur>hi... I'm configuring a new debian lenny (2.6.26) and want to encrypt / as well as my data on a different harddisk. I'm trying to use keyfiles, but can't figure out how to tell my initrd to mount the keyfiles-partition first (asking for a password) and mount / and my data using the keyfiles afterwards....
13:51<peej>Yeah, but when it's cranking along, and you want just that little bit extra, where do you go from 5/5? Nowhere. But your amplifier goes all the way up to 70/70...
13:52<nafur>I would be happy if I could tell my initrd to mount nothing automatically but have a sekf
13:52<nafur>*self-made script doing everything....
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13:53<nafur>does anyone know how to configure this in my initrd? :-)
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13:59<NiteSnow>update-rc.d <script> defaults
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14:04<nafur>oh... the scripts from /etc/rcX.d are put into the initrd? So I might just remove and add another script?
14:05*EmleyMoor is still trying to resize a qemu volume - hopefully without it going mad
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14:08<NiteSnow>@EmleyMoor a quick google would bring you to this
14:09<dpkg>@ is used to separate the username from the hostname in an email address, to denote channel operators on IRC, and to direct replies to particular users in some web forums. It is NOT used to direct replies on IRC; use "name: ..." instead of "@name ...".
14:11<NiteSnow>im used to twitter
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14:12<nafur>hmm... are any services from /etc/rcX.d started from within the initrd?
14:13<Titan8990>no, that is not what the initrd is for
14:13<Titan8990>the initrd allows the kernel to load storage controller and other modules needed for booting
14:14<Titan8990>after the kernel has booted and root filesystem has been booted, then init does its thing and launches the startup services
14:14<Titan8990>err root filesystem has been mounted
14:14<nafur>ok, but certain scripts from /etc/init.d (for example are called... is that correct?
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14:14<nafur>or is just for mounting everything else, when / is already mounted?
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14:16<Titan8990>nafur, no, the root filesystem is mounted by the root= line in your grub.conf
14:17<Titan8990>not sure what the script is for... maybe to mount remaining partitions after rootfs is ready?
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14:17*EmleyMoor just can't work out how to resize qemu images - one he did earlier went much bigger than planned
14:17<nafur>hm, ok... so what would I do if I need to mount another partition before the root filesystem is mounted?
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14:22<locklace>EmleyMoor: your passive-aggressive mode of questioning is womanish and ineffectual
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14:23<Titan8990>nafur, not possible
14:23<dr|z3d>locklace: womanish? you mean effete ;)
14:23<Titan8990>all partition that are not the rootfs are mounted from within the rootfs
14:23<Titan8990>the rootfs is "/".... where would you mount it that is not inside of /?
14:24<EmleyMoor>I will ask a suitable, more accurate, question when I have fixed the first one I need to do
14:24<nafur>Titan8990: well, "not possible" is kind of unlikely with linux ;-) There is a filesystem when initrd is loaded but the root fs is not yet mounted...
14:24<Titan8990>nafur, what is exactly that we are trying to accomplish by mounting a driver early?
14:25<valdyn>Titan8990: you forget about chroot and that the / is only one of 2 / in debian ( the initial ramdisk is the other / )
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14:25<nafur>Titan8990: I want to mount a partition that contains keyfiles for an encrypted root-filesystem
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14:27<Titan8990>valdyn, well, not debian specific really... any distro that uses initramfs
14:27<nafur>So my goal is to mount my keyfiles to this "initrd-filesystem", use the keyfiles to mount / and my home dir and umount the keyfiles afterwards. then, my system should go on booting....
14:27<Titan8990>nafur, but why encrypt the partitions if they are decrypted by the system at boot time? is the keyfiles on a removable media?
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14:28<nafur>the keyfiles are on a different encrypted partition... the goal is to enter only one password and then decrypt all other encrypted partitions with the keyfiles I just "unlocked"
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14:30<Titan8990>most people who have data that needs to be decrypted keep it on /home.... what does root partition contain that would even need to be encrypted
14:31<nafur>I have only /srv on a different harddisk, the rest is within the root partition...
14:31<kop>Titan8990: Well, if you encrypt everything then somebody who wants to crack the box needs to decrypt everything, or at least does not necessarly know where to start.
14:32<Titan8990>kop, I could see that
14:32<nafur>anyway, let's just assume I want to do this and I have my reasons to do this, ok? :-)
14:32<raylu>peej: i have no amplifier
14:32<raylu>peej: again, it's just the way the wireless card reports its signal strength
14:33<raylu>peej: it really doesn't mean much of anything
14:33<Titan8990>I personally have always avoided everything funny with / and /boot.... always plain ole primary partition... lvm, encryption, logical volumes and etc for others
14:33<steffan>nafur: would help?
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14:34<nafur>Titan8990: it's done with lvm and stuff....
14:35<nafur>steffan: I'm using cryptsetup...
14:36<nafur>I'm ready to just remove the current mount-script from the initrd and implement my own one... but I can't find it :-(
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14:39<valdyn>nafur: your setup is simpler if you put the key into the initrd ( and not any less secure )
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14:39<nafur>the initrd is not encrypted... so why should it be equally secure?
14:40<valdyn>nafur: your primary key cannot be on an encrypted partition
14:40<nafur>"primary key"?
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14:40<valdyn>nafur: the first key that is used
14:40<EmleyMoor>Right - now I can ask a proper question...
14:41<nafur>I want to enter a passphrase to mount the keyfiles...
14:41<valdyn>nafur: or did you want to carry that one on a usb stick?
14:41<steffan>EmleyMoor: ask
14:41<valdyn>nafur: passphrase + key is needed to decrypt anything
14:41<EmleyMoor>I hawe a kvm/qemu raw disk image, 10GiB in size, and want to extend it by 5Gib (to 15GiB). What exact parameters do I need to give dd to do this?
14:42<nafur>valdyn: I don't need both to mount a specific partition...
14:43<valdyn>nafur: thats not very secure
14:43<nafur>valdyn: just to clarify, I use luks via cryptsetup... I can choose wether to use a passphrase or a keyfile...
14:43<valdyn>nafur: yea, and you can protect keys with passphrases too
14:44<nafur>valdyn: humm, depends on the passphrase... sure, it would be more secure it you need the stick with the keyfiles *and* a passphrase, but I think it's secure enough this way...
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14:44<valdyn>nafur: depends on the length of the passphrase
14:44<nafur>50+ chars ok? :-)
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14:45<valdyn>nafur: probably not, considering that I do know the contents of that encrypted volume to some extent
14:45<valdyn>nafur: but i dont know.
14:45<locklace>EmleyMoor: man dd. you can use /dev/zero for the input
14:46<valdyn>nafur: read section 6 in /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup README.initramfs.gz
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14:47<fgh>Error : Name or service not known 7 Oct 20:26:05 ntpdate[7035]: can't find host
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14:48<cahoot>try then?
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14:49<nafur>valdyn: cool :-) so i just can write a script that mounts the keyfiles, dumps the keyfile for the root partition and umounts them and it should work?
14:49<fgh>same with all 0-4 of them
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14:49<EmleyMoor>Damn, made a mess of it - fortunately I can easily recreate this one
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14:50<tsugaga>I have a problem like other many people :D
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14:50*EmleyMoor thinks he knows what to do next time this is needed
14:50<tsugaga>I want to install laster version of perl
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14:50<tsugaga>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
14:50<tsugaga> perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.8-7etch6) but 5.10.0-19lenny2 is to be installed
14:50<tsugaga> Depends: perl-modules (>= 5.8.8-7etch6) but it is not going to be installed
14:50<tsugaga> Recommends: perl-doc but it is not going to be installed
14:50<tsugaga>E: Broken packages
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14:51<fgh>wb tsugaga
14:51<EmleyMoor>tsugaga: Are you on a system still running etch?
14:51<tsugaga>yes on etch
14:52<tsugaga>the error is when I'm trying to install with this apt-get install perl=5.8.8-7etch6
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14:52<EmleyMoor>Unless new perl has been backported for etch (which I doubt), you won't be able to do it easily
14:53<tsugaga>yes but I have to compil nginx width an option for perl but I have see it's work only with the laster version :/
14:54<EmleyMoor>I would have thought there would be a lot of dependencies to be taken care of. Hold on though...
14:55<tsugaga>Yes but I don't know how do this without this version of perl :(
14:55<tsugaga>maybe is more easy to compil perl ?
14:55<EmleyMoor>tsugaga: Why are you running etch?
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14:56<tsugaga>what do you mean ? what I run on eath and not on lenny ?
14:56<EmleyMoor>Yes, why not lenny?
14:57<tsugaga>because ovh suck ans don't have it :(
14:57<tsugaga>sorry, 1and1
14:57<tsugaga>ovh have it
14:57<EmleyMoor>1and1? ovh?
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14:58<tsugaga>1and1 have only etch and ovh have both but i'm running this server on 1and1
14:58<tsugaga>why ? it's more easily on lenny?
14:58<Ignaz>hi, all
14:59<EmleyMoor>tsugaga: What you want is in lenny - along with all the right dependencies
14:59<tsugaga>arf x(
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14:59<tsugaga>can I update it directly by internet ? I don't know :/
15:00<EmleyMoor>tsugaga: /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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15:00<tsugaga>i write " dpkg etch->lenny" ? OO
15:01<EmleyMoor>No, you write "/msg dpkg etch->lenny"
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15:01<EmleyMoor>dpkg will respond with instructions
15:01<dpkg>EmleyMoor: i haven't a clue
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15:01<tsugaga>ok thx :)
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15:03<EmleyMoor>dpkg will respond with instructions
15:03<dpkg>EmleyMoor: are you smoking crack?
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15:06<tsugaga>how verify if I was on lenny ? do you know a command ?
15:06<locklace>cat /etc/debian_version ; lsb_release -a
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15:07<tsugaga>lenny i think :)
15:07<nafur>valdyn: hm, thanks, that seems to work :-)
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15:08<nafur>valdyn: but initrd seems to umount /keyfiles after the root filesystem has been mounted... but I would still like to mount /srv after that...
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15:11<tsugaga>fuck the packtage don't exist on lenny :-(
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15:22<h2>can someone point to a link or resource that explains how to create the equivalent of the kopt line in grub2? I can't find that information anywhere
15:23<loudergood>just edit /etc/default/grub
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15:24<ret>im still updating to Squeeze >.<
15:24<h2>oh, it's in defaut/grub, ok, thanks is it a standard kopt syntax? I haven't switched but I want to be prepared before I do, that's the only thing I'm finding zero documentation on, the kopt thing
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15:26<fgh>how do i configure touchpad in gnome?
15:26<ret>!dpkg touchpad
15:26<dpkg>i guess synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops. For use in X, install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options. If it's not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". See also see . This driver does not support auto-configuration in Lenny. See also <trackpoint>.
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15:46<h2>looks like there is no actual documentation for all features yet, just pieces building on arch wiki, ubuntu wiki, a few others, ok, thanks anyway, I guess kopt is now split into pieces which you have to set individually, not easy stuff to learn or understand
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15:48<Guest522>ciao a tutti
15:49<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:49<sney>too slow
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15:50<Guest522>scusa come faccio a cambiare nick ?
15:51<zr|d3d>To the tune of about 7 seconds, it seems.
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15:52<dr|z3d>Guest390: /nick newnick
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15:53<dr|z3d>Guest390: And, English here, please, or join the Italian Debian channel.
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15:54<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:54<NiteSnow>oh lol someone already did it
15:54<NiteSnow>i need help
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15:54<NiteSnow>i cant install adobe air..
15:56<Torsten_W>adobe air is not in debian, so what?
15:57<loudergood>those messages aren't going to make it fail
15:57<NiteSnow>they have a adobe air installer
15:57<NiteSnow>yeh well it wont load
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16:02<NiteSnow>its like its loading then crashing i see the bar show up at the bottom of my screen and then it runs away
16:03<Titan8990>those look like non-fatal errors
16:03<NiteSnow>yeh i know and i dont get why it wont load up :'(
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16:05<NiteSnow>ok this is werid i changed themes and now it just crashes no output
16:06<Titan8990>what does `file Ad*` show?
16:07<NiteSnow>what do you mean
16:07<Titan8990>run the command in the backticks
16:07<Titan8990>`file Ad*`
16:07<NiteSnow>root@Mike-PC:~/dl# ls Ad*
16:07<Titan8990>file AdobeAIRInstaller.bin
16:08<NiteSnow>i forgot about the file command
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16:08<NiteSnow>AdobeAIRInstaller.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, stripped
16:09<NiteSnow>let me guess its for kernel ver 2.2.5 and im on 2.6 ?
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16:12<Titan8990>try running it against gdb
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16:12<argonel>if i tell the d-i to set up lvm, is it going to want to erase all existing partitions?
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16:13<Titan8990>you can manually set up LVM using the installer
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16:13<Titan8990>i assume d-i is desktop installer... not sure about that one but the standard allows it
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16:13<argonel>desktop == graphical?
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16:13<locklace>argonel: my view, better to avoid using the installer to set up lvm
16:13<NiteSnow>Mike-PC:/home/mike/dl# getlibs AdobeAIRInstaller.bin
16:13<NiteSnow>This application isn't missing any dependencies
16:14<peej>are there any common apps using sctp (supposedly nicer for multihomed services and a bit more robust than tcp/ip)?
16:14<Titan8990>NiteSnow, adobe has a history of releasing absolutely terrible linux versions of their software
16:14<argonel>every time i use the d-i i end up just doing the most basic installation, never get to play with it :)
16:15<locklace>argonel: use d-i to set up your basic boot and root partitions, then set up the rest of the space as lvm after install
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16:16<peej>oooh - heartbeat I think
16:16<Titan8990>locklace, what if he wanted /usr on a lvm? is he suppossed to copy all the files off /usr and on to the new partition?
16:19<locklace>Titan8990: sure.
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16:21<Titan8990>locklace, wouldn't it be way easier to prepare the partitions prior to installing and then specifying mount points in the installation?
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16:24<locklace>it would be at best slightly easier, and that only if d-i actually gave you the necessary control to implement your desired scheme.
16:24<argonel>here's to hoping the partitioner i'm being forced to use doesn't do something stupid if i don't change any partitions at all
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16:37<cirzgamanti>hi, i'm trying to get 3D in X back after (iirc) upgrading to kde4.3.1.
16:37<cirzgamanti>i tried installing nvidia-glx, is this ok?
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16:37<dr|z3d>cirzgamanti: Check your xorg.conf
16:37<cirzgamanti>i changed it to "nv" to get at least some X back.
16:38<Titan8990>cirzgamanti, if your kernel has changed you have to run m-a again
16:39<cirzgamanti>and what should i use instead of "nv" ? i forgot what it was.
16:39<chealer>cirzgamanti: it could be OK, depending on your setup
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16:40<cirzgamanti>chealer: depending on what exactly? i'd like to use the commercial driver.
16:41<chealer>cirzgamanti: your video chipset and your Debian suite, most importantly
16:41<cirzgamanti>testing; how do i find out the chipset?
16:42<cirzgamanti>ah, found it in x log: geforce 8400 gs
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16:43<wojtas>hello. I have a problem with keyboard after upgrade'ing to the newest version of xorg, can you help me?
16:43<cirzgamanti>wojtas: what's the problem?
16:43<wojtas>it's an Apple keyboard (Apple flat usb keyboard), and after upgrading to latest version of Xorg and X-Server some of keys stoped working
16:43<wojtas>I had a keymap that change some of keys (loaded by xmodmap), but it's not working in new version
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16:44<cirzgamanti>which keys for example?
16:44<wojtas>left, down, left alt, insert, pagedown
16:45<chealer>cirzgamanti: testing's nvidia drivers are broken, in any case
16:45<cirzgamanti>chealer: all of them ? :(
16:45<cirzgamanti>do you mean the binary ones from nvidia, or the open ones?
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16:47<chealer>cirzgamanti: the non-free ones (those called "nvidia")
16:47<wojtas>do you have any idea how to fix this?
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16:48<cirzgamanti>wojtas: i don't, but i'm not an expert. you could also try #debian on freenode.
16:49<cirzgamanti>chealer: so you suggest i use the nv ones? all i need is to display video in mplayer in full screen.
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16:49<cirzgamanti>currently it's always the same size, which is too small.
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16:50<chealer>cirzgamanti: that's certainly simpler in that case
16:50<pc2>I forgot the password of my username
16:50<pc2>How do i broke the password ?
16:50<cirzgamanti>getting desktop effects to work (kde4) would be a nice extra.
16:50<petemc>log in as root, passwd username
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16:51<bja>pc2: do you have root access?
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16:51<pc2>no, i dont
16:52<petemc>then you need to speak to someone who does
16:52<bja>Ask your sysadmin to set you a new one
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16:54<pc2>I dont remember the password of my username
16:55<pc2>How do i break it ?
16:55<wojtas>just `passwd`
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16:56<bja>Buy your self a 4 million dollar supercomputer and use the same hash algorith that linux uses, then in some 5 to 10 years you will get your password, either that or ask your sysadmin to set you a new one.
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16:57<marulek>or better yet he can use a random pass generator and grow some beard ;)
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16:57<marulek>likely he's offended now ...
16:57<Pryon>joo lunix guyz are so arrog4n7
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16:58<marulek>nope, a beginner here ...
16:58<pc2>How do i break the password of the username ?
16:58<Pryon>marulek: While I was being facetious, those are not mutually exclusive :-)
16:58<petemc>pc2: you cant, might as well stop asking
16:58<Pryon>pc2: drop it from a great height
16:59<Pryon>pc2: is there some reason you can't ask the system administrator to reset your password?
16:59<pc2>The system administrator cant reset the password
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17:00<fgh>since i updated to squeeze my touchpad doesnt work as it should do, huh?
17:00<Titan8990>for anyone here pc2 was just on #debian on freenode
17:00<Titan8990>and was being told the same exact thing
17:00<Titan8990>god... sorry...
17:00<Pryon>pc2: Can you please explain why the system administrator can't reset your password?
17:01<Titan8990>maybe two #debian's in my list isn't such a good idea
17:01<cirzgamanti>Titan8990: heh
17:01<pc2>he doesnt remembre how to reset the password
17:01<marulek>oh ... so this is some sort of drama I missed before I joined
17:01<Gathond>pc2: that is not true, of cause the administrator can reset a users password
17:01*marulek grabs popcron
17:01<cirzgamanti>there's a guy behind this window, looking *exactly* like me :)
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17:01<Gathond>pc2: then he has no business administrating the machine :)
17:02<petemc>pc2: you could remind him as you've been told here more than once
17:02<pc2>can u give me how to reset the password ?
17:02<petemc>passwd username
17:02<pc2>where do i write it ?
17:02<petemc>a root shell
17:03<cirzgamanti>pc2: your sysadmin should know :)
17:03<Titan8990>pc2, i doubt any of us believe for a sec that your system administrator doesn't know how to change/set/lock a password
17:04<cirzgamanti>chealer: so how would i get a shinier X with nv ? anything i need to enter into the .conf? or missing packages?
17:04<Titan8990>it takes 2secs of google in the case that he didn't
17:04<Pryon>I can imagine a scenario where pc2 *is* the system administrator and is having great difficulty communicating.
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17:05<Titan8990>i hope not... I have trouble finding linux adminstration work
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17:05<chealer>cirzgamanti: are you asking how to switch to nv? otherwise I don't understand what you mean by a shinier X.
17:05<pc2>I wrote passwd pc2
17:05<marulek>pc2, do you sit behind that goddamn forgotten-password machine or are you in a remote session?? geez ...
17:05<cirzgamanti>i'm using "nv" atm, but can't get resizable mplayer etc to work.
17:05<pc2>and i receive this message:
17:06<adb>pc2, as root, are you root ?
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17:07<pc2>Authentication token manipulation error
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17:07<pc2>I think I am a root
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17:08<nafur>you *think* you are root?
17:09<nafur>you might want to try "whoami"...
17:09<marulek>pc2, type whoami
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17:10<pc2>and what else ?
17:10<petemc>pc2: which version of debian is this? are you using pam or something else like ldap?
17:10<nafur>nothing else... just press enter afterwards...^^
17:11<pc2>and what else ?
17:11<adb>says what whoami ?
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17:12<adb>pc3 ^^
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17:14<pc2>who can help me to break the password of my username ??
17:14<petemc>no one
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17:15<nafur>pc2: you have a console, bash, shell or whatever you call it open where you are logged in on the pc where you forgot the password?
17:15<locklace>!lart pc2
17:15*dpkg stabs pc2
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17:27<nafur>omg -.-
17:28<dpkg>rumour has it, omg is Oh My God, or what people say when they see a printed copy of the <CORBA> specifications: "OMG! IT'S HUGE!".
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17:30<cirzgamanti>do i need to do m-a when using nv ?
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17:33<Pryon>cirzgamanti: are you running a stock kernel? If so, probably not
17:34<Pryon>(I'm completely ready to be shown wrong)
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17:35<cirzgamanti>Pryon: yes, out-of-the-repo kernel :)
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17:36<Pryon>cirzgamanti: Unless I'm completely off my nut, the nv module should come with that
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17:37<adb>cirzgamanti, "works" on two #debian ...
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17:39<EmleyMoor>What is the status (experimental or production) of ext4fs these days?
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17:40<cirzgamanti>adb: i switched because nobody was talking to me here :) i'm a bit impatient because i need to go to sleep soon.
17:40<adb>so go to sleep , see you tomorrow
17:42*EmleyMoor is remaking his sid vm
17:42<cirzgamanti>i'd like to see a movie tomorrow, and don't have like three hours time before that, that's why i'm trying to solve the problem now.
17:42*EmleyMoor sticks with ext3 for most of it
17:42<Pryon>which movie?
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17:42<argonel>if the d-i fails the "select and install software" phase, yet never asks any questions, how do i figure out whats wrong with it?
17:43<valdyn>argonel: why do you think it failed?
17:43<cirzgamanti>Pryon: haven't decided yet, but will have company, and it's not too great to sit 10cm in front of the screen this way :)
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17:43<argonel>valdyn: cause it turns the screen red and says "an installation step failed"
17:43<valdyn>argonel: hit alt-f2
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17:44<Pryon>cirzgamanti: Ah, I misunderstood.
17:44<valdyn>argonel: one of the consoles should have the error message
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17:49<argonel>looks like a bad package
17:49<argonel>"update-alternatives: error: alternative path /usr/share/images/desktop-base/debblue-1600x1200.png doesn't exist"
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17:55<ComradeHaz>Hi all, what's teh equivelant of nvidia-glx for ATI?
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17:55<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
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17:56<rjent>To get kde4 on a sid install what is the correct repo to add to sources.list?
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18:00<chealer>rjent: ask #debian-kde
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18:01<chealer>ComradeHaz: fglrx-driver
18:01<ComradeHaz>how do I use that?
18:02<ComradeHaz>do I use module assistant in the same way?
18:02<dpkg>fglrx is probably "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on
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18:03<adb>dr|z3d, maybe we learn ComradeHaz to use himself the bot ...
18:03<dr|z3d>argonel: You can put any png there, pretty much, as long as it has the same name.. should work fine.
18:03<ComradeHaz>I did
18:03<ComradeHaz>I'm just soo tired I didn't read properly
18:03<dr|z3d>adb: Good plan.. you can hold his hand there ;)
18:03<adb>so go to sleep , see you tomorrow
18:03<adb>ComradeHaz, ^^
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18:06<cirzgamanti>Pryon: probably "burn after reading" to answer your previous question :)
18:07<cirzgamanti>'night :)
18:08<nafur>this movie is weird^^
18:08<dr|z3d>nafur: One, we don't know what you're talking about. Two, we don't care. Take it elsewhere. :)
18:09<adb>argonel, lenny d-i ?
18:10<nafur>dr|z3d: I commented cirzgamanti's plan to watch "burn after reading" (or at least I suppose that is what he wanted to tell us)
18:10<NiteSnow>k im back and i have afree laptop :)
18:10<dr|z3d>nafur: Ah, the domino bullshit effect. :)
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18:11<argonel>adb: squeeze, the daily
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18:13<adb>argonel, use nopat as d-i options
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18:16<argonel>adb: what does nopat do? is there a list of these somewhere other than on the boot disc?
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18:17<adb> you have to add nopat +to the boot options, <jordi> what does it mean? fezie> it disabled PAT which is only needed for some Intel X drivers which need KMS, In d-i itself it's useless,jordi> oh, to make the installer work? aha, fezie> the bug is already fixed in 2.6.31
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18:22<argonel>oh, maybe that'll get the graphical installer to run?
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18:22<adb> !tias
18:22<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See"... or what you could have done first.
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18:24<bpS>hi all
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18:29<argonel>adb: i'm not really sure how changing kernel memory management options are going to make a bunch of missing files appear
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18:30<bpS>hi I need help plz
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18:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
18:32<argonel>all of the files it is complaining about were removed in desktop-base 5.0.1 as they're deprecated
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18:35<argonel>so somehow its looking for a package that hasn't existed since sept 2008
18:36<adb>argonel, why file two channels whit same info ...?
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18:44<argonel>adb: i don't have the capacity to compare the nicklists of both channels, and in any event i don't know who might actually have suggestions that can help me get around the selection of such an ancient package
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18:45<adb>argonel, so ask
18:45<argonel>i did, an hour ago
18:46<adb> #debian-boot is a devel channel
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18:46<adb>argonel, so re ask , or reformulate your question
18:46<Emery>i'm looking to upgrade to SID
18:47<Emery>how would i go about that
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18:47<argonel>adb: thanks for the advice.
18:48<adb>Emery, you don't , why needs sid anyways
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18:48<Emery>because i want kde 4.3
18:48<adb> > #debian-kde
18:48<Emery>i don't need help with KDE
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18:49<adb> kde 4.3 ?
18:50<Emery>and the question i asked was relevant to debian it's self as an operating system
18:50<adb>Emery, kde in sid is very tricky , so ask #debian-kde
18:50<Emery>i've just sad
18:50<Emery>i don't need help with the kde
18:51<Emery>i need help going from lenny to sid
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18:51<adama>Emery: the answer is: replace lenny (or squeeze or testing or whatever) with sid in /etc/apt/sources.list, aptitude upgrade, then upgrade the kernel, etc. upgrade kde ... good luck
18:52<chealer>Emery: sid is not needed for KDE 4.3
18:52<Emery>i see
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18:53<adama>judd: versions kdebase
18:53<judd>adama: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 sid: 5:54 squeeze: 5:54
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18:54<adama>no 4.3 there at all...
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18:54<adama>judd: versions kde-full
18:54<judd>adama: kde-full -- sid: 5:54 squeeze: 5:54
18:55<adama>what is 5:54 supposed to mean
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18:56<chealer>adama: 54 is the meta-kde version, 5 is the epoch
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18:57<Emery>is kde5 available ?
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19:02<Emery>is the kernel updated with dist-upgrade ?
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19:02<Emery>how would i go about updating the kernel without source build
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19:03<Ganneff>yes the kernel is updated with dist-upgrade
19:03<Ganneff>provided you have the right meta package for it installed thats pulling the new version
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19:03<Emery>well sid is updating alot of packages, so maybe it's in the list
19:04<chealer>Emery: there is no such thing as kde5
19:04<chealer>Emery: not necessarily
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19:06<Emery>that's why i said maybe
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19:07<K4SP3R>can anyone in here tell me about elive ?
19:07<K4SP3R>I am curious about it
19:07<dpkg>Elive (Enlightenment live CD) is a desktop distribution <based on Debian>, featuring the <Enlightenment> window manager. It is not Debian and thus not supported in #debian. #elive on
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19:07<K4SP3R>ah ok I KNEW you would do that
19:07<K4SP3R>ok I don't even wanna hear the rest
19:07<K4SP3R>I expected that
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19:08<sney>well if he knew we would do that then why'd he ask the question? this isn't #general linux chat
19:08<sney>some people I sweah
19:08<Emery>alright which version of kde does ... kde-minimal install on sid ?
19:09<Emery>kde 4. what
19:09<adb> apt-cache show kde-minimal
19:09<adb>Emery, ^^
19:09<Hideo>you really need to learn the basics before getting into sid, you can't even look up the basic questions you asked
19:09<sney>so, who can tell me how to make it so a normal user account can mount a ntfs volume and have normal r/w access to the files therein? I put it as 'user' in /etc/fstab and I can mount it under the user account but it keeps telling me Permission Denied
19:10<Emery>Hideo, i can't look up the question ? how would you know that .. i asked here first becasuse my xchat window was open. so i'd stop the assuming it's not getting you far.
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19:11<azeem>Emery: it's just people who run sid should know how to figure things out like this themselves
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19:11<azeem>because the other issues will be much harder
19:11<sney>Emery: the fact that sid is constantly under development means it's difficult at best to support, and the fact that it's by definition UNSTABLE means that there are things that will be broken and/or confusing. see dpkg's responses for things like sid, sid faq, and unstable
19:11<adb>sney, !user accessible ntfs
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19:11<Shinedown>Hi, can somebody here help me with an hardware-problem please?
19:11<Emery>Shinedown, shoot
19:12<sney>ah groovy adb, wasn't sure which keyword to feed the bot
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19:12<Shinedown>I've got an mp3 player. When I plug it in the player detects that there must be a connection but My pc dosn't say anything
19:13<sney>dmesg probably shows
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19:14<Shinedown>I tried to find some information or solution by seaching with google but found nothing
19:14<Emery>Shinedown, i still don't get what you're saying
19:15<sney>Shinedown: what does dmesg say when you connect it
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19:16<Shinedown>what is dmesg?
19:16<Shinedown>Sorry, just using ubuntu a week or so
19:16<sney>kernel messages
19:16<sney>we don't support ubuntu in here
19:16<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
19:17<Emery>Shinedown, #ubuntu
19:18<Shinedown>ok thx
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19:35<ComradeHaz>Hi guys. A friend of mine has installed ia64 on a core2duo, of course we really want amd64. Is it possible to chage architecture over by grabbing the relevant kernel?
19:35<ComradeHaz>or will that mess up big time?
19:35<sney>ia64 worked?
19:35<ComradeHaz>I think it's stopping graphics drivers going on
19:36<sney>you should really just nuke it and start over, I'm amazed there was even binary compatibility
19:36<ComradeHaz>I've been configuring stuff for ages, and only just noticed
19:36<sney>and it's ia64 you're sure, that's what uname reports?
19:36<ComradeHaz>god I wanna kill him :D
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19:36<sney>uname -m that is
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19:36<ComradeHaz>he says so
19:37<ComradeHaz>lemme see
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19:37<ComradeHaz>oh, no, he's full of crap
19:37<ComradeHaz>not so bad
19:37<ComradeHaz>no chance of swapping over, is there?
19:37<ComradeHaz>nothing really installed yet
19:37<bja>ComradeHaz: the only substantial difference would be felt if you had above 4 Gb of ram else you can live with it
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19:38<sney>no, because you wouldn't just be replacing the kernel, you'd be replacing all the userland binaries as well since debian's x86-64 distro is full 64-bit
19:38<bja>btw ia32 is better supported than amd65
19:38<ComradeHaz>MemTotal: 3631680 kB
19:38<ComradeHaz>so he has got 4gig
19:39<sney>I'm running amd64 and it's fine, it doesn't have weird issues like some of the other architectures
19:39<ComradeHaz>aye, sney all my machines are 64bit too
19:39<bja>ComradeHaz: nop he has a little less than 4 gig
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19:40<sney>ComradeHaz: I can tell you for sure at least that the x86/amd64 issue is *not* what's causing the video drivers to not install
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19:40<ComradeHaz>sure, sney
19:41<ComradeHaz>I've not tried to yet
19:41<ComradeHaz>only he's tried
19:41<sney>layer 8 issue then
19:41<ComradeHaz>he didn;t even have module assistant installed ;)
19:41<sney>same thing :)
19:42<sney>the OSI model only has 7 official layers
19:42<sney>the unofficial layer 8 is humans
19:42<adb> !enter
19:42<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
19:43<sney>don't mind adb, he's just lonely
19:44<adb>it make harder to read ..
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19:45<Hideo>aw, /me pets adb
19:45<bja>sney: adb is right, unless you have a 17" monitor with a 6 pixel high font, its better to use a little punctuation
19:46<adb>our eyes keep been tired for nothing
19:46<sney>oh, I know. I was just playing around with him. ComradeHaz is the real offender anyway.
19:46<sney>funny how we're no longer discussing his friend's i686/amd64 debian install issue, too.
19:46<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic
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19:49<bja>sney: so you want to go to the bar next door?
19:50<sney>I'm probably going to get dragged out of the house soonish.
19:50<icebrain>shouldn't a debian mirror get the new packages version before updating the packages list? I keep getting 404 in my ISP mirror :(
19:51<sney>icebrain: right after an update?
19:51<bja>change mirrors
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19:52<icebrain>sney: yeah bja: I did, but I'm capped and downloads from my ISP mirrors don't count
19:52<adb>got an 1 TB usb hard , want to use it as external storage, what partition scheme you propose (i use only ext3 )
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19:52<icebrain>it's just a rant, not a real problem
19:52<sney>adb: get another one and mirror them :D
19:52<sney>then just make one big partition
19:53<adb>i see, ths
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19:54<dbldtx>Hello all - I am running Debian Squeeze, XDM and blackbox, on a compaq laptop - apt-get upgrade will not complete because I have errors with the netatalk package
19:54<dbldtx>warning: netatalk stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB
19:55<dbldtx>Is the first error that I get - can anybody help me? What is going on? Do I need to build netatalk's dependecies first, or?
19:55<adb>dbldtx, why use netatalk ?
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19:56<dbldtx>Well I don't want to, is exactly the reason that I'm so frustrated, adb.
19:56<sney>got any old macs on your network?
19:56<dbldtx>It seems as if apt-get update && apt-get upgrade says I need it or else no uppy-grady
19:56<dbldtx>*AHEAM* it seems to ME
19:57<sney>if there are no macs on your network, or you are not required to network with any old macs, you may safely remove netatalk as it is just appletalk support
19:58<dbldtx>I am doing so now and it's purging all this stupid crap like gnome-games... when I apt-get update && [...] upgrade, I hope it works for me. Thank you all ~ I was assuming this was a common problem.
19:58<dbldtx>But I'm really just a common er it seems.
19:58<ComradeHaz>Hi all trying to remove kde as per dpkg's instructions, but doing purge of all the things dpkg tells me to only makes aptitude want to upgrade the very same packages.
19:58<sney>something depends on them
19:58<ComradeHaz>why is this and how do I successfully remove kde?
19:59<ComradeHaz>sure, lots of things do. Most of KDE for a start
19:59<adb>!remove kde
19:59<dpkg>To remove or purge KDE, do: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want).
19:59<ComradeHaz>that's what I'm doing
19:59<sney>was there any other kde stuff you installed, perhaps manually?
19:59<dbldtx>ComradeHaz, what's the output/feedback, how does it tell you that it only wants to upgrade the very same?
20:00<sney>(don't forget to use a pastebin)
20:00<ComradeHaz>it says there are lots of dependencies and the only solution it will come up with was to upgrade them (now actually it wants to downgrade them again, but it;'s certainly not agreeing to remove)
20:00<adb>ComradeHaz, your uggrade to sid is finished ?
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20:01<bja>ComradeHaz: use aptitude to see what is going on
20:01<ComradeHaz>the package lists have changed
20:01<ComradeHaz>is that the problem?
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20:02<adb>just finish the upgrade ,and do remove after that step
20:02<ComradeHaz>wants to upgrade 800megs
20:02<ComradeHaz>that'll take a while
20:02<ComradeHaz>we live in fields :D
20:03<adb>now is to late, so finish the upgrade
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20:04<adb>ComradeHaz, other wise you are as "man in middle" ..
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20:05<cleto>i'm debianized a peice of code but i've troubles with dh_shlibdeps
20:05<ComradeHaz>hmm, ok. Not the end of the world
20:05<ComradeHaz>thanks guys
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20:05<dpkg>well, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. #debian-mentors on
20:05<adb>cleto, ^^
20:05<dbldtx>YAY no more netatalk - thank you all.
20:05<mentor>not me then
20:06<adb>sure not you mentor
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20:06<cleto>so... i have to ask at #debian-mentos?
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20:07<adb>it seems so ..
20:07<cleto>ok... thanks
20:07<cleto>\j #debian-mentors
20:07<adb> /j ..
20:12<sney>debian-mentos, the freshmaker
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20:14<adb>sney, -mentos ? maybe -mentOS
20:15<sney> the freshmaker!
20:15*sney stops
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20:16<cockroach>hi. i'm running postgres 8.1 on oldstable and (AFAICT) the 'ident sameuser' authentication stopped working. that is, if i connect to one of my databases it now asks me for a password. any idea on how to debug that?
20:16<s0lr0sas>Hello someone here that can help me find what kind of debian i need to download?
20:17<adb>s0lr0sas, usually lenny
20:17<s0lr0sas>adb ? what..
20:17<s0lr0sas>ok its the same as win32?
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20:18<adb>it 32 bit , yes
20:18<s0lr0sas>how will i se if i can use the i686 or what i need?
20:18<s0lr0sas>on the site i only find the i386 its what u mean adb ?
20:19<s0lr0sas>witch one then?
20:19<s0lr0sas>i will use torrent and dvd
20:19<azeem>s0lr0sas: it depends on your computer
20:19<dpkg>[netinst] a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>.
20:19<s0lr0sas>azeem where can i read the requirments?
20:20<azeem>s0lr0sas: if your computer is 32bit -> install i386
20:20<sney> has lists of supported hardware
20:20<azeem>if it is 64bit -> install i386 or amd64, whichever you prefer
20:20<s0lr0sas>i will install it manually with a dvd.
20:20<s0lr0sas>yeah now i use winserver 32bit
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20:21<s0lr0sas>so i will change it to linux so i think the best is debian?
20:21<adb>s0lr0sas, forget dvd , use netinst
20:21<adb>read above
20:22<s0lr0sas>adb why net install?
20:22<Gunther>hey. i've got fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-source installed. both are at 1:9-9-1. so i figured it's catalyst 9.x, and if i read the wikipedia right (, support for opengl 3.0 should have been introduced with the 9th release. but 'glxinfo' tells me: 'OpenGL version string: 2.1.8918'. why this discrepancy?
20:22<s0lr0sas>anyone that is swedish here?
20:22<adb>s0lr0sas, is smaller ?
20:22<sney>adb: if he downloads DVD1 with bittorrent, there's no problem with that
20:23<s0lr0sas>ok, whats the different ?
20:23<sney>it's just another alternative
20:23<sney>with netinst you only download the packages you need to install. with the DVD you probably get a lot of stuff you won't use.
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20:23<s0lr0sas>ok, i dont need the stuffs on the dvd u mean..
20:24<sney>not all of it anyway
20:24<s0lr0sas>ok. i think the netinstall was if i want to install it on the net
20:24<s0lr0sas>but i will load the server onto a screen ant install it manually.
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20:25<s0lr0sas>någon svensk?
20:25<dpkg>Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i på FreeNode (, SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974.
20:25<bja>s0lr0sas: unless your server is off-line netinst is a better solution
20:26<s0lr0sas>ok ty sney
20:26<sney>(but it doesn't really matter)
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20:26<s0lr0sas>nice 7 users i will not find any help there..
20:26<s0lr0sas>i think i will take the dvd undo.
20:27<s0lr0sas>dvd and torrent over the night will it be
20:27<s0lr0sas>the clock is 02.27 i need to go and sleep :O
20:27<adb> s0lr0sas , "normal" svensk ppls are slipping for now
20:28<s0lr0sas>yes i know its time for school for me tomarrow to so..
20:28<ComradeHaz>god natt
20:28<s0lr0sas>haha svensk ComradeHaz ?
20:28<ComradeHaz>Sove gott
20:29<dpkg>English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope)
20:29<ComradeHaz>Mamm fran Goteborg
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20:29<s0lr0sas>witch one will i need to use dvd 1, 2, 3, 4, 5?
20:30<s0lr0sas>adb why not?
20:30<sney>adb just lay off he wants to use the DVD let him
20:30<s0lr0sas>ty sney :) <3
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20:30<s0lr0sas>is the first one the best or whats matter?
20:30<sney>the first
20:30<sney>debian has a lot of available packages
20:31<bja>dvd 1 will give you the most used apps
20:31<sney>the rest you can get online later
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20:31<sney>I'm not sure what adb's jihad against optical media is all about
20:31<s0lr0sas>ok the firstone will it be for me :)
20:32<adb>s0lr0sas, install from floppy
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20:32<bja>s0lr0sas: the point that adb wants to make is that you really don't need the dvd at all, it will be faster using the net-inst cd but that is your choice
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20:32<s0lr0sas>adb wtf? no floppy.
20:32<sney>adb :P
20:32<s0lr0sas>i have the time.
20:32<adb>!usb install
20:32<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
20:33<sney>also, since the DVD is being downloaded on bittorrent, it's not like it's coming from
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20:33<sney>and the system it installs will be the same
20:33<sney>CHOICES = GODO
20:33<sney>good, even.
20:33<adb>!pxe install
20:33<s0lr0sas>when i install from dvd it will give me more aps or what?
20:34<sney>it will be exactly the same
20:34<sney>it just won't need to download as many things.
20:34<sney>you won't see a difference.
20:34<bja>s0lr0sas: remember whatever image you decide to install from whatever mechanism over the internet, download the signatures from and verify them
20:34<bja>sney: because he allready downloaded them once
20:35<sney>if he uses the torrent link from d.o then the md5sum is already taken care of... but it can't hurt
20:35<sney>bja: duh
20:35<s0lr0sas>now i download the dvd1 with torrent. and it is on 4.53 gb.
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20:35<sney>see you tomorrow s0lr0sas
20:36<bja>and probably he will download lots of programs he will never use
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20:36<adb>s0lr0sas, net install is flexible ways, dvds is old school
20:36<s0lr0sas>when i decide to install with a cs or floppy? i need to download more update and prg?
20:36<sney>see guys you confused him
20:36<s0lr0sas>ok adb i change to ned install! happy boys?
20:36<sney>I'm not happy.
20:37<sney>bja and adb are big fat bullies :(
20:37<bja>!beer s0lr0sas
20:37*dpkg pulls out a nicely refined Spaten Pils for s0lr0sas
20:37<bja>!beer sney
20:37*dpkg pours a pint of Spaten Optimator for sney
20:37<bja>sney: i just point out what are the differences between one system and the other
20:38<adb>s0lr0sas, see in a week you will want to run testing or sid , how about all that dvds ..
20:38<bja>as a matter of fact i don't care what s0lr0sas does. Its free software and he is free to do whatever he deems correct.
20:39<bja>adb: if he burned one is his money, btw dvd's are cheap
20:39<bja>and if he is also seeding the dvd well its a win win situation
20:39<sney>if he gets the netinst, and it doesn't support his network card, I am going to laugh at you two
20:39<s0lr0sas>if it isnt any differnent dvd - net install i will use the net its smaller to download and it will go fasteer.
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20:40<s0lr0sas>sney can it be that prob?
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20:40<sney>s0lr0sas: are you using a laptop?
20:40<s0lr0sas>i will send my botnet on you boys! :(
20:40<bja>s0lr0sas: if you have standard hardware as most people do, you will have no trouble
20:40<sney>are you installing debian on a laptop
20:41<s0lr0sas>no the dabian will i install on a server computer.
20:41<sney>ok, probably fine then
20:41<s0lr0sas>we will se.
20:41<s0lr0sas>or is it any better linux i can download?
20:41<sney>debian is the best
20:41<s0lr0sas>you all use debian?
20:42<sney>this is #debian right?
20:42<sney>safe bet then
20:42<bja>s0lr0sas: Asking that in a debian channel, i think the answer will be a little biased
20:42<s0lr0sas>who knows?
20:42<sney>sometimes people in here use ubuntu, but they get chased away
20:42*s0lr0sas HATE DEBIAN! :D
20:42<sney>and sometimes I use windows!
20:42<s0lr0sas>will someone kill me now?
20:42<sney>but debian is the best
20:42<sney>you're ok, swedish guy
20:43<s0lr0sas>lol, no i hope i will like the debian on my comuter i will only host a site and a ventrilo server.
20:43<sney>it's a good system for a server
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20:43<sney>are you going to sitter har i venten while you spelar lite dota?
20:43<s0lr0sas>YEAH sney .D
20:44<sney>that is all the swedish I know
20:44<s0lr0sas>but youre swedish sucks like mutch my english sucks i think..
20:44<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
20:44<sney>hey man, it's about the software he's going to run on his new debian server
20:45<s0lr0sas>adb stop aggro me :(
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20:46<bja>s0lr0sas: I guessed your problem is solved, wheren't you speaking of going to bed?
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20:47<s0lr0sas>bja now i will go to my bed :) ty for the help, cya !
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20:48<bja>take care bye
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21:00<foxtrot>hello, help plz, how to unzip .zip file? // debian 5.0 lenny
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21:00<ComradeHaz>Hi guys, could anybody help me fix the following dependancies problem, please. Let me know if you think I should ask in #debian-kde instead :)
21:00<ComradeHaz>foxtrot: unzip
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21:01<foxtrot>ComradeHaz: -bash: unzip: command not found
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21:01<ComradeHaz>as root: aptitude install unzip
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21:03<foxtrot>ComradeHaz: thanks!
21:03<ComradeHaz>you're welcome
21:04<argonel>why would apt-get be trying to get instead of ?
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21:06<ComradeHaz>first of all use aptitude, but in more direct answer, not sure. Look at /etc/apt/sources.list
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21:06<ComradeHaz>Hi guys, could anybody help me fix the following dependancies problem, please. Let me know if you think I should ask in #debian-kde instead :) :
21:06<ComradeHaz>Can't believe I forgot the link last time :D
21:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 368] by debhelper
21:07<ComradeHaz>I think it was a repo change
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21:08<ComradeHaz>I just apdated and tried again and it's now a different problem
21:08<ComradeHaz>guess the repos are being upgraded a bit out of sync
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21:14<foom> is down?
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21:15<adb>it seems so
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21:16<foxtrot>ComradeHaz: hm.. i tryed unzip /tmp/, where is unzipped file? ):
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21:17<ComradeHaz>not totally sure, either next to the .zip or in the location you ran unzip from
21:17<ComradeHaz>ie what your prompt says
21:17<ComradeHaz>(probably your home folder)
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21:18<ComradeHaz>Hi guys, could anybody help me fix the following dependancies problem, please. Let me know if you think I should ask in #debian-kde instead :) : <--- actually, still have this problem. Anyone able to help?
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21:20<adb>ComradeHaz, remove kicker
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21:20<ComradeHaz>tried that, does nothing
21:20<adb>and as said , some hours ago ask in #debian-kde
21:21<dbldtx_>Running minimalist blackbox\XDM laptop, anybody have any package suggestions? Programs you just love and cannot do without? (I have no 'good' filemanager or image viewer installed atm.. thinking about going with Thunar and Mirage???)
21:22<adb>feh < image viewer
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21:23<adb>mc ,
21:23<dbldtx_>adb thanks
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21:24<chealer>ComradeHaz: which Debian suite do you use?
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21:24<dbldtx_>irssi is a must, bpl
21:24<adb>dbldtx, yw
21:24<ComradeHaz>chealer: unstable
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21:25<chealer>ComradeHaz: you should reinstall stable or testing
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21:25<adb>dbldtx, moc
21:25<ComradeHaz>chealer: I usually use unstable with no problems.
21:25<adb>usually ..
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21:26<ComradeHaz>chealer: reinstalling isn't really an option
21:26<chealer>ComradeHaz: unstable is not meant to be used as a default suite, unless you know Debian
21:27<ComradeHaz>I really jsut wanted help fixing thast issue
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21:27<adb>ComradeHaz, you *should* have that old versions of kicker !!!
21:28<argonel>kicker, just what everyone needs
21:28<adb>argonel, trolling ?
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21:29<ComradeHaz>The bit that's surprising me is "kicker: Depends: kdebase-data (< 4:3.5.9.dfsg.2) but 4:4.3.2-1 is installed."
21:30<ComradeHaz>is that not saying kicker depends on an older version of kde-base than what I have
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21:30<argonel>thats what its saying
21:31*ComradeHaz thumps it with a big stick
21:31<ComradeHaz>it's not helping :(
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21:31<argonel>oh, you're using aptitude, i don't have any experience with that
21:32<ComradeHaz>Oh well. Hopefully someone'll be able to help me in the morning
21:32<adb>ComradeHaz, i said you some hours ago that kde4 is tricky, now assume !
21:32<ComradeHaz>adb, I do have it qworkign fine on 3 other machines
21:32<ComradeHaz>I'm not a total noob
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21:33<argonel>ComradeHaz: does `aptitude why kicker` show anything enlightening?
21:34<adb>ComradeHaz, yes, but you upgraded an old kde there ..
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21:34<ComradeHaz>what do you mean, adb?
21:34<ComradeHaz>on my other machines?
21:34<ComradeHaz>No i didn't
21:34<ComradeHaz>they were all done fresh
21:35<ComradeHaz>the upgrade process was ugly
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21:35<ComradeHaz>argonel: I think it might, just trying to decide!
21:36<adb>so tell us how you resolved that dependencies " "kicker: Depends: kdebase-data (< 4:3.5.9.dfsg.2)" ?
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21:36<argonel>ComradeHaz: i'm thinking something there must want kicker. but nobody wants kicker anymore :)
21:36<ComradeHaz>didn't get any problems
21:37<ComradeHaz>I think that might be my fault for trying to remove all of kde
21:37<argonel>oh, you might not have gotten all of it?
21:37<ComradeHaz>I couldn't get much off at all as it was partly upgraded
21:37<ComradeHaz>I'd changed the sources list
21:38<ComradeHaz>see, my friend installed kde on testing even though I told him only yto do a base system install
21:38<ComradeHaz>I suisn't realise this and went about my usual steps as I normally do kde last
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21:39<ComradeHaz>does that make any sense?
21:39<argonel>sure, i guess
21:39<argonel>doesn't really explain whats going on though :)
21:40<ComradeHaz>ok, about to paste why kicker - sorry my browser went crazy
21:40<ComradeHaz> <---- tagged it to bottom of that
21:41<argonel>ahh, k3b
21:41<ComradeHaz>pull k3b off?
21:41<argonel>well, there looks to be a version of k3b for kde4 now
21:41<ComradeHaz>that's only a recomends though
21:42<ComradeHaz>doesn't the P mean purged?
21:42<argonel>i dunno, i'd have to read the manpage :p
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21:42<argonel>i think aptitude and the old school commands get along, so what do we get for apt-cache policy k3b?
21:43<argonel>and juk, kcontrol and kicker while we're at it
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21:43<ComradeHaz>k3b, installed: (none)
21:44<ComradeHaz>juk, installed: 4:4.3.1-1, candidate: 4:4.3.1-1
21:45<ComradeHaz>kcontrol, installed (none) candidate: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6
21:46<ComradeHaz>kicker installed (none) candidate: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6
21:46<ComradeHaz>pfew :)
21:46<ComradeHaz>It's a mess, isn;t it
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21:48<argonel>ok, pastebin dpkg -s kicker juk kcontrol k3b | grep -B 1 Status
21:49<ComradeHaz> Appended to bottom again :)
21:50<argonel>wow, thats... great
21:50<ComradeHaz>Do I detect a tiny hint of sarcasm?!
21:50<argonel>just a little bit :p
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21:51<ComradeHaz>you know what
21:51<argonel>so as far as the control files are concerned, kicker isn't in there and isn't called for
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21:51<ComradeHaz>I think, despite having spent hours and hours on this I'm going to get him to redo the install
21:51<argonel>i assume you tried aptitude purge kicker?
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21:52<adb>ComradeHaz, sure your sources are wrong too ..
21:52<ComradeHaz>let's not waste any more of our time
21:52<ComradeHaz>adb: I assume you mean aren't
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21:53<ComradeHaz>and yeah, just looked actually
21:53<ComradeHaz>what do you mean then?
21:54<adb>see kcontrol, installed (none) candidate: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 kicker installed (none) candidate: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6
21:54<adb>so sources are wrong
21:54<ComradeHaz>well, what do you mean by wrong?
21:54<argonel>now *my* system thinks kicker is broken
21:55<ComradeHaz>you mean the repo's are buggered up atm?
21:55<adb>ComradeHaz> it point to ... lenny
21:55<argonel>adb: can you be a little more verbose? why would he want to do that?
21:56<ComradeHaz>well, the sources for unstable are in teh source list and default-release is not set
21:56<ComradeHaz>python-qt4 is messed up in the repos on all my machines, but I can;t see how that'd affect this
21:58<ComradeHaz>right, argonel, thankyou so much for trying to help me out (and you other guys) but I'm soo tired now I'm gonna have to call it a night
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21:58<argonel>ComradeHaz: pastebin (the rather verbose) output of apt-get -o=Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true upgrade
21:58<argonel>ComradeHaz: or goodnight, whichever :p
21:58<ComradeHaz>not got pt-get
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21:59<argonel>ComradeHaz: hehe well, you're going to say no anyway
21:59<jerryneo>help me
21:59<argonel>(to its prompt)
21:59<ComradeHaz>argonel: you've been awesome, but my head is fried
21:59<jerryneo>i just used linux ?
21:59<argonel>ComradeHaz: not a problem, i know how that goes :)
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22:00<jerryneo>i can't control
22:00<argonel>ComradeHaz: i'm thinking aptitude has its own state (like dselect did) and that is messed up somehow.. but i don't know how to fix it
22:00<ComradeHaz>thanks dude :) Would buy you a pint if I could :)
22:00<ComradeHaz>roger that argonel, I might know a man I can ask about that :)
22:01<argonel>ComradeHaz: ok :)
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22:01<ComradeHaz>alex@debian:~$ sudo halt
22:01<ComradeHaz>No going back now :)
22:01<ComradeHaz>nn chaps
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23:20<argonel>wow... it installed twm
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23:21<dan1913>anybody want to help me with a truly mystifying problem?
23:21<argonel>aren't all problems mystifying? :)
23:21<dan1913>let me rephrase that
23:21<dan1913>mystifying AND annoying
23:22<dan1913>basically, for some reason, basic authentication has stopped working for my webserver
23:22<dan1913>it was working a few hours ago, but let me just say that apache had a few problems and had to take a little nap :P
23:22<dan1913>this wasn't an amazingly complex setup
23:23<dan1913>just a single folder that I wanted to require a login for
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23:24<dan1913>now, the folder shows up fine when I navigate to it, but there is no authentication process - it takes me right to the folder
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23:25<sney>dan1913: it'd probably be better suited to an apache channel
23:25<dan1913>well, due to a misunderstanding, I'm banned from #httpd on freenode
23:25<dan1913>also, I was here yesterday and the people here are nice, so I figured I'd rather get help from them
23:26<sney>haha fair enough
23:26<dan1913>and it isn't something too specialized
23:26<sney>unfortunately, I'm not that familiar with apache, so all my advice would boil down to "read the docs" in one way or another
23:26<dan1913>I feel the need to mention, apache is having memory problems, which is a potential element in it
23:26<dan1913>sney: my setup is copied more or less word-for-word from the docs
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23:27<sney>are they the docs for the version you have running?
23:27<sney>I know there are some discrepancies between 2.0 2.2 etc
23:27<dan1913>it's for 2.0
23:28<dan1913>which is the newest stuff I could find on apache's website
23:28<dan1913>for that particular thing, anyway
23:29<sney>doesn't apache have a tool to check if httpd.conf is valid? does that report any warnings or anything?
23:29<sney>also, have you updated apache since the last time it worked?
23:29<dan1913>it does
23:29<dan1913>and it doesn't report any warnings
23:29<dan1913>and no, I haven't updated it since then
23:29<dan1913>it's the same apache version
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23:32<kop>dan1913: Are you sure it's not a browser cache issue?
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23:33<dan1913>I've cleared the cache
23:33<dan1913>and tried it on multiple browsers and multiple computers
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23:38<dan1913>that was unbelievably odd
23:38<dan1913>suddenly, it works again
23:38<dan1913>and I did nothing to fix it but look despairingly at a few log files
23:38*dan1913 looks suspiciously at his VPS
23:39<dan1913>thanks for the emotional support :P
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23:58<astronut>apt-get remove --purge network-manager
23:59<astronut>good riddence
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