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---Logopened Fri Oct 09 00:00:55 2009
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01:19<JohnMcClane>hi there
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01:21<JohnMcClane>ajavid is not here?
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01:23<cahoot>!seen ajavid
01:23<dpkg>ajavid <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 18d 12h 5m 25s ago, saying: 'fuck yo uand have a fantastic day'.
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01:25<JohnMcClane>cahoot: thank
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01:32<BaseQ>ok can i ask for help here ?
01:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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01:36<BaseQ>im using xandros eee (debian ?) after playing a youtube vid or something in the browser .. i can't play n mp3 in xmms,.. i get n busy message... and i have to to reboot........ i was thinking
01:37<BaseQ>im using xandros eee (debian ?) after playing a youtube vid or something in the browser .. i can't play n mp3 in xmms,.. i get n busy message... and i have to to reboot........ i was thinking "flush" ?
01:37<dpkg>it has been said that xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. Eee PC users with pre-installed Xandros: ask for assistance in #eeepc on
01:37<jm_>anyway, configuring dmix shall solve that
01:37<dpkg>i guess dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See or another sample asound.conf at or
01:38<jm_>but it might also mean the driver has bugs in which case check for newer kernels
01:39<BaseQ>you know
01:39<BaseQ>you ppl are all geeks
01:39<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
01:40<BaseQ>you could write a flush prog
01:40<BaseQ>im talking to a bot
01:41<BaseQ>helps that im drunk
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01:45<BaseQ>im gonna install linux mint.. or windows xp
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02:21<Aleric>If I try to apt-get update, I get:
02:21<Aleric>The following packages will be REMOVED:
02:21<Aleric> nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-dev [...more here...]
02:22<Aleric>not good
02:22<jm_>depends, I bet RMS would say it's good
02:22<Aleric>It's have no GUI anymore
02:22<Aleric>I'd have*
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02:24<jm_>aptitude has why,why-not which should help in sitiation like this
02:24<Aleric>what would be the command with aptitude?
02:27<jm_>try aptitude why-not nvidia-glx
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02:29<jm_>although when I think about it, this is mostly usable when apt says it can't install something
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02:29<jm_>might not reveal anything useful when it's about to remove something on upgrades, but you should be able to use it after the upgrade - not very useful, I know
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02:36<Aleric>jm_: I can't get useful info :/
02:36<Aleric>Do you think I can upgrade to current 'testing' and then reinstall nvidia-glx-[dev] ?
02:36<jm_>Aleric: right, I realized it probably wouldn't be able to tell you at this point
02:37<jm_>yeah no doubt
02:37<jm_>ahh I think I see why, it's still the same version as in stable
02:37<jm_>you'd just install it from sid or "ssb" it
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02:38<Aleric>>sudo apt-get install -t sid nvidia-glx-dev
02:38<Aleric>nvidia-glx-dev is already the newest version.
02:38<Aleric>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1245 not upgraded.
02:39<jm_>which version do you have then?
02:39<Aleric>I have 173.14.09-5
02:39<jm_>right that's not nearly the newest version ;)
02:39<jm_>it's just your packages files not being up to date
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02:40<Aleric>but I DID 'apt-get update'
02:40<jm_>might be your pinning then
02:42<Aleric>should be overridden if you specify -t sid I thought...
02:42<jm_>apparently it should yes
02:43<jm_>apt-cache policy nvidia-glx
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02:45<jm_>as if -t sid is not the right choice then
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02:45<Aleric>-t unstable
02:45<Aleric> nvidia-glx-dev: Depends: nvidia-glx (>= 185.18.36) but 173.14.09-5 is to be installed
02:45<Aleric> nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-185.18.36 but it is not installable
02:46<Aleric>Oh... nvidia-kernel is missing from testing as usual I guess :(
02:46<jm_>you need to build kernel package from it first
02:46<Aleric>I hate testing
02:46<jm_>install nvidia-kernel-source first and build it with m-a
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02:53<Lantizia>banjo MAN!
02:53<Aleric>jm_: that still built nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64 for my current kernel :/
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02:55<jm_>Aleric: did you verify you have newer kernel source in /usr/src installed?
02:55<Aleric>but but
02:56<jm_>I remember at one point one needed to upgrade modules-assistant to pick up newer versions when the name change (or possibly went from gz to bz2)
02:56<Aleric>I guess I'll just upgrade :(
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03:04<Aleric>jm_: what you make of this?
03:04<Aleric>aptitude is not solving it at all... it's just 'keeping back' the problem (xorg) :/
03:04<neo>plz give the xss tunnling scripts
03:05<jm_>Aleric: that you should not use safe-upgrade
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03:06<Aleric>I used 'upgrade' and it said that that is deprecated and I should use 'safe-upgrade'
03:06<jm_>yeah try full-upgrade instead
03:06<neo>i am truing to tunnl one but i can't understand help me
03:06<jm_>you can also use safe-upgrade and then manually install whatever it left out
03:06<neo>plz tell me the process
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03:08<Aleric>The following packages are BROKEN:
03:08<Aleric> debian-keyring libdb-dev libdb4.8-dev libsilc-1.1-2-dev nvidia-glx-dev xserver-xorg-video-all
03:09<jm_>just say Y and fix the stuff later, but use script to record the upgrade so that you can easily track what it removed
03:09<locklace>who let this idiot back in
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03:09<locklace>!lart neo
03:09*dpkg drops a truckload of VAXen on neo
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03:17<woocyfear>Hello everybody
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03:18<woocyfear>can someone help me? I would like to repartitioning my dmraid. It's an nvidia stripped raid.
03:19<woocyfear>there were 3 partition 1st the root , 2nd the swap, 3rd a ntfs
03:20<woocyfear>a deleted 2nd and 3rd, but ai can't make new ones
03:20<woocyfear>i want an ext3 as 2nd and swap as 3rd
03:22<woocyfear>the1st is the system now, when i formated the 2d Gparted says unknown filesystem
03:22<woocyfear>please help me
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03:25<peter-cammer>Hy everybody, I need to patch and recompile a kernel module, but I really have no idea where to start.. any tips ?
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03:29<woocyfear>anybody here?
03:32<Aleric>woocyfear: fdisk ?
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03:32<woocyfear>i don't know how to use
03:32<jm_>peter-cammer: isn't it easier to get new kernel version instead?
03:33<woocyfear>is something better like dmraid?
03:34<peter-cammer>jm_: no.. it's a running remote machine that needs a new modem driver.. I cannot take it off line and i only have ssh access to it...
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03:35<Aleric>i dont know dmraid... I'd think that once you got one filesystem already, the raid works. use fdisk to change the partition table (add partitions) and mke2fs to create your new ext3 and mkswap to create the new swap
03:35<woocyfear>which is the better ext4 or ext3?
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03:38<jm_>peter-cammer: well then do it that way I guess
03:39<peter-cammer>jm_: .. yeah, ok.. but how do i compile a file.c without a makefile ?
03:40<jm_>peter-cammer: any decent out-of-tree driver will come with proper build infrastructure
03:40<jm_>if it's part of the tree one can do make dir/.../file.ko
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03:41<peter-cammer>jm_: .. ok... but where do I get the "decent out of tree - source" with the makefile then .. ??
03:42<jm_>peter-cammer: where did you get the driver?
03:44<peter-cammer>jm_: I got it from the vanilla kernel .. but it's in every distro.. it's a kernel module called option.ko .. for driving a usb-serial-modem
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03:45<jm_>peter-cammer: in that case see above how to build it, put new version in place and hope it works with older kernel, otherwise you have no option but to build entire kernel
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03:48<peter-cammer>jm_: you mean just run make from the root dir of the distro, with the patched option.c.. ? like make /<dir where i copied option.c>/option.c
03:48<jm_>peter-cammer: no, make dir/name_of_module.ko
03:48<jm_>peter-cammer: keep in mind this require configured kernel and whatnot
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03:49<peter-cammer>jm_: Ok, super.. and i put the option.c file in the specified dir ?
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03:50<jm_>peter-cammer: you should replace existing file
03:50<jm_>I doubt this will work for you if you use debian kernel
03:51<peter-cammer>jm_: ok.. but there is no original option.c becouse i didn't build the system on that pc.... I do have the build essential on there though...
03:52<jm_>peter-cammer: in that case it won't be so easy
03:53<peter-cammer>jm_: but i do have a copy of the system in a vm ... so there i can do what i want...
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04:21<mib_ngsraerb>does debian recognise a ntfs file system
04:22<petemc>yes, read only unless you use ntfs-3g
04:22<mib_ngsraerb>read only i need
04:22<dpkg>add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want.
04:23<mib_ngsraerb>just converted to debian last night so just learning all this stuff
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05:37<dpkg><HostilePenguin> your smarter
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05:44<zem_>what tool can i use to monitor my network connections, it seems my pc uses a lot of bandwidth when idle and i would like to know why
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05:45<locklace>zem_: you might find iftop helpful
05:45<bdiaby>adam bebe te quiero
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06:12<prem>hi all
06:13<prem>I have lenny installed in my PC and it suddenly crashes for no reason..
06:14<prem>and the xorg.log has "Error in I830WaitLpRing(), timeout for 2 seconds" entry in it
06:15<prem>any idea why it is crashing..?and how to fix it..
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06:17<locklace>not without a lot more information, like: did it ever work? if so, when did it stop? what changed? is it a completely standard lenny install? what kernel version? what kind of hw? what precisely does "crash" mean? what are the steps to reproduce?
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06:19<Aleric>great... I did 'aptitude full-upgrade' .. and now pressing 'arrow up' in a gnome terminal makes a screenshot!?
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06:20<Aleric>pressing it in xchat too ...
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06:20<Aleric>Why did my up arrow get linked to 'print screen' ?
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06:21<jm_>Aleric: what does it say in xev?
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06:22<ans-tor->may i talk about l10n here?
06:23<amao>question:how can i add chinese support
06:23<amao>question:how can i add Chinese language support to my backtrack?
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06:24<Lollipop>im lollipop
06:24<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #remote-exploit on See also <based on debian>.
06:24<amao>does apt-get install language-support-zh
06:24<amao>does apt-get install language-support-zh help?
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06:24<Lollipop>i am legend
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06:25<Aleric>jm_: very unclear... still makes a screenshot though
06:25<locklace>!lart Lollipop
06:25*dpkg pushes the wall down onto Lollipop whilst whistling innocently
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06:26<Lollipop>ur stupider than microsoft sam
06:26<amao>question:how can i add Chinese language support to my backtrack?
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06:26<Lollipop>u lick ur elbow
06:26<locklace>!tell amao about backtrack
06:27<Lollipop>i tell about backtrack
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06:27<Aleric>jm_: it cause a huge scroll in xev... I can't tell which part is relevant
06:27<Lollipop>shut up
06:27<Lollipop>thisis so annoying
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06:28<Lollipop>some body freaking talk
06:28<locklace>do you have a debian question
06:28<Lollipop>this isnt a school test or something
06:29<Lollipop>wtf is that
06:29<Lollipop>wats a debain question
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06:29<Lollipop>wat color is ur blanket
06:30<Lollipop>thats my question
06:30<locklace>!ops Lollipop irremediable twitdom
06:30<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: locklace complains about: Lollipop irremediable twitdom
06:30<jm_>Aleric: key press event/key release event
06:30-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
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06:30<azeem>Lollipop: you've been silenced for 10 minutes
06:31<azeem>please try to be more signal and less noise in the future
06:31<ans-tor->the skin name is proper noun or common noun?
06:31<azeem>ans-tor-: hrm?
06:32<ans-tor->what is hrm?
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06:34<Aleric>jm_: no key press event/key release event
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06:34<jm_>Aleric: was your focus in xev window?
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06:35<jm_>KeyPress event/KeyRelease event - should say that for every key
06:35<Aleric>the key is mapped to print screen... never reaches xev as key press
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06:42<Aleric>I disabled the normal 'print' and 'alt-print' key short-cuts... and up arrow still prints the screen
06:43<Aleric>Super-right-arrow stopped working too... can't switch desktops!
06:44<Aleric>how can I remap my keyboard as-if rebooting, without rebooting?
06:44<Aleric>I'm afraid that if I reboot now I end up with a unusable box
06:44<Aleric>(no GUI / no browser / no xchat)
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06:46<Aleric>hmm, Super-UP is bound to UP it seems... or at least works in bash
06:46<Aleric>here too
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06:48<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
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06:54<Aleric>dpkg-reconfigure console-data didn't work. up arrow works fine in virtual terminal...
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06:57<pleb2>Hey all
06:58<pleb2>One of my servers was installed 32bit, and as such can only address 1GB of ram, is there anyway I can get it to address 4GB (enable bigmem) without a reinstall??
06:58<jm_>Aleric: virtual terminal as in console?
06:58<jm_>pleb2: install bigmem kernel
06:58<pleb2>jm_ Never done that before, how?
06:59<stockholm>pleb2: check out the kernel images available
06:59<jm_>pleb2: apt-cache search linux-image|grep bigmem
06:59<stockholm>apt-cache search linux image
06:59<Aleric>jm_: yes
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06:59<jm_>Aleric: right, did you try it without gnome?
06:59<Gold24>and where doesn't it work you say?
06:59<pleb2>I'll have a look thanks!
07:00<Gold24>Aleric: and where doesn't it work you say?
07:00<jm_>pleb2: then just pick the right one and install it like you install other packages
07:00<Aleric>gold: anywhere in X
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07:00<Aleric>jm_: still afraid to shut down everything.... I need to at least feel that I can restart X and gnome again (need nvidia for that)
07:01<jm_>Aleric: why? just use a tty irc client
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07:02<Aleric>Do I need 'debian-keyring' ? it says it's broken
07:02<Aleric>The following packages are BROKEN:
07:02<Aleric> debian-keyring libdb-dev libdb4.8-dev libsilc-1.1-2-dev nvidia-glx-dev xserver-xorg-video-all
07:02<jm_>well do you? :) my guess is you don't if you have to ask
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07:03<Aleric>I do if I want to check signatures?
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07:03<jm_>these are public keys of debian developers, you probably mean debian-archive-keyring - different thing
07:04<jm_>-dev packages shouldn't be a problem at this point, you'll fix that later, and xserver-xorg-video-all is just a meta package
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07:05<Gold24>i don't see how that package can break though
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07:06<Aleric>it removed all xserver-xorg-video-* packages
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07:06<Aleric>ok... I'll try to restart X :/
07:07<jm_>wait that won't work if it removed all of them
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07:08<jm_>install at least: xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse
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07:37<Wilthril>hi all
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07:39<wirr>hi all. i'm having a problem with loop-aes encrypted root & on boot the script tries to check the physical partition instead of checking the fs on the decrypted loop device
07:39<wirr>can anyone give me a hint?
07:39<jm_>wirr: check BTS, I somehow remember this being reported
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07:41<valdyn>wirr: how did you install loop-aes?
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07:42<wirr>jm_: thanks for the hint but so far i couldn't find anything related on BTS
07:42<marulek>which is best debian-based lightweight linux distro I can run on old computers? I need the package manager, but desktop environment is not necessary. thanks!
07:42<wirr>valdyn: I did set up the encrypted fs using the installer from lenny (which worked fine) and then upgraded to squeeze which broke the fsck on boot.
07:44<locklace>marulek: debian
07:45<Wilthril>marulek: damn small linux may do the trick
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07:45<marulek>Wilthril, I'm just a bit concerned about DSL that it hasn't been updated for quite some time ...
07:45<wirr>just for my understanding: is it correct that gets the root device info from fstab and is supposed to take in account the options like "loop=/dev/loopX"
07:46<valdyn>wirr: i dont think so
07:46<valdyn>wirr: the loop-aes-utils package needs to fix the regular scripts
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07:47<Wilthril>marulek: then a debian without any desktop environment (or maybe ubuntu server i dunno)
07:48<wirr>valdyn: hmmm - there are replacements for several binaries like mount, etc. but not for the boot scripts
07:48<zem>marulek: base debian system, then install whatever you need
07:49<valdyn>wirr: yea, only an additional boot script ( checkfs-loop )
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07:51<marulek>my disk is only 4 GB :)
07:52<jm_>wirr: I do remember two people blogging about testing and encrypted disks failing to mount, this was somewhat "recently"
07:53<wirr>valdyn: can we assume that checkfs-loop should take care of the rootfs check?
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07:54<wirr>jm_: any idea where I could find those test reports?
07:55<jm_>wirr: I was trying to find it but I failed :)
07:56<locklace>marulek: you seem to be very confused about what a base debian system consists of
07:56<wirr>jm_: :-) thanks anyway
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07:59<phcoder>Hello all. I have an error " trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man1/gdb.1.gz', which is also in package gdb 0:" installing mipsel-gdb from emdebian. Is there a way to ignore this error?
08:00<jm_>phcoder: uninstall gdb or maybe creating diversion will help (man dpkg-divert)
08:00<azeem>phcoder: on which arch?
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08:00<azeem>phcoder: file a bug with emdebian I'd say
08:01<phcoder>I can uninstall gdb but then I'll have the same problem the other way round
08:01<jm_>yup, it needs to be fixed in the package long-term
08:01<jm_>but for now one of the above might help
08:02<phcoder>Thanks for dpkg-divert tip. I'll try it. Have to move to other room. Brb
08:03<wirr>jm_, valdyn: should i file a bug on this?
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08:14<Wilthril>anyone familiar with DHCP servers? I have some issues about DHCPDISCOVER
08:14<valdyn>wirr: guess so
08:15<valdyn>!tell Wilthril -about ask
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08:17<Wilthril>basically I have a NAS running a Debian Lenny (ARM) and with an old router it works, but I've bought a new one and the NAS can't get any IP (the router sees it but ifconfig on the nas doesn't give any IP), so with an old DHCP server it works but with a newer one it doesn't so it's quite confusing :S
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08:20<Wilthril>in the logs the difference is I have "No DHCPOFFERS received." with the new router
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08:21<Wilthril>but all my hardware use DHCP and besides my NAS everything works fine (ie computer, media center, etc...)
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08:21<jm_>Wilthril: hard to say with router, with regular dhcp server you'd be able to say more
08:22<valdyn>maybe the dhcp server on that router is just not switched on
08:22<Wilthril>jm_: I have the logs from the NAS when it tries to find the DHCP server
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08:22<Wilthril>valdyn: it is my computer is using it :)
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08:23<jm_>Wilthril: yes, but that's not very helpful, it just tells you it sent out a request, but you want to see what is happening on the server and if it receives the request
08:24<Wilthril>jm_: unfortunately I have no log from the router about the NAS (would be too easy -_-)
08:24<jm_>Wilthril: right
08:25<Wilthril>jm_: what's weird is my router tells me it has found it and it gave it an IP (and the MAC address matches)
08:25<jm_>Wilthril: check if NAS receives anything back then, you can use tcpdump
08:25<phcoder>jm_,azeem: thanks, dpkg-divert helped. I also filed a bug on gdb-mipsel-linux-gnu
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08:26<Wilthril>jm_: basically the only thing I can do is modifying the rc.local file and redirect outputs to text files... because I have no network
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08:27<jm_>Wilthril: ahh no serial console or somesuch?
08:28<Wilthril>so jm_ I should add tcpdump -i interface before the DHCPDISCOVER is that right?
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08:28<Wilthril>jm_: all I have is USB interface (it's seen as an external drive) and ethernet
08:28<Wilthril>it works with USB so I can get the files back when I use USB
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08:30<jm_>Wilthril: tcpdump -i eth0 -s 0 -w /path/to/file then I recommend you inspect the file with wireshark
08:31<Wilthril>ok thanks jm_ I'll do that
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08:32<Wilthril>just to be sure if i do "ifconfig eth0 down ifconfig eth0 up" it will make another DHCP request right?
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08:32<valdyn>Wilthril: it wont
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08:32<jm_>Wilthril: you want to use ifdown/ifup instead
08:33<Wilthril>ok great thanks
08:33<Wilthril>ok let's do it
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08:47<Wilthril>weird no file is written
08:48<Wilthril>here is what i added "tcpdump -i egiga0 -s 0 -w /home/tcpdump ifdown egiga0 ifup egiga0" (yes the interface is egiga0 don't ask me why...)
08:49<jm_>with spaces between commands?
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08:49<Wilthril>nope a line break... hum excuse me for flooding ^^
08:49<Wilthril>tcpdump -i egiga0 -s 0 -w /home/tcpdump
08:49<Wilthril>ifdown egiga0
08:49<Wilthril>ifup egiga0
08:50<jm_>is tcpdump available on it? it might be it quits for some reason
08:50<jm_>you shouldn't need to use -i if it only has one interface
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08:50<Wilthril>it has egiga0 and lo
08:50<jm_>yeah in that case it will work fine without -i
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08:51<Wilthril>ok but it shouldn't change many things anyway...
08:51<jm_>no it was just an observation
08:51<jm_>does this thing have bootlogd?
08:51<Wilthril>yeah it has
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08:52<Wilthril>but... now the boot file is a binary omg
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08:52<jm_>then enabling bootlogd might show messages from tcpdump
08:53<Wilthril>here is my boot log without tcpdump
08:54<jm_>using it like this is not a good idea anyway since you want it to quit at some point
08:54<jm_>hmm but it does say DHCPOFFER from
08:55<Wilthril>yes that's right sometimes it does
08:55<jm_>and then it works?
08:56<jm_>can you install your own packages on it?
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08:57<Wilthril>yes I can
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08:57<Wilthril>maybe it'll help but here is the boot log with my old router (this time it works)
08:58<Wilthril>i can install new packages if there are ARM builds available
08:58<jm_>maybe try alternative DHCP clients first
08:59<jm_>possibly the ACK part doesn't work then
09:00<Wilthril>ok but sorry to say that but I don't know much about the boot process
09:00<jm_>what do you mean?
09:00<Wilthril>i don't know where the dhcp client is called
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09:01<jm_>ifup calls it, it should work if you just install another one
09:01<jm_>also see /usr/share/doc/ifupdown
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09:02<jm_>and man interfaces
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09:03<Wilthril>i mean i can't install 2 different dhcp clients at the same time no?
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09:05<jm_>if everything is done correctly they will confflict with each other, if not you have to uninstall one manually and install another
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09:07<Wilthril>that's annoying because I NEED the network to install/uninstall packages
09:08<Titan8990>assign a static IP?
09:09<Wilthril>it doesn't work with my new router, but I can give it a try with my old one
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09:09<jm_>Wilthril: can't you upload them via usb?
09:09<Titan8990>assigning a static IP? then you have bigger problems than DHCP
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09:10<Wilthril>jm_: I can but how do I install them?
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09:10<jm_>Wilthril: dpkg -i?
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09:10<Wilthril>jm_: it will install it on my computer not the NAS
09:11<Wilthril>the NAS with usb is like an external drive
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09:11<jm_>Wilthril: no, you do that on NAS, i.e. bring up networking statically so you can access it from LAN
09:11<jm_>right I understood that part
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09:11<jolst>sound stopped working on debian what can i do?
09:11<Titan8990>jolst, which version of debian?
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09:12<jolst>Titan8990, how can i look that up?
09:12<Araneidae>Is there a control panel to configure my laptop touchpad? It's too hypersensitive and keeps taking unwanted mouse clicks!
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09:12<Titan8990>jolst, cat /etc/issue
09:13<jolst>Titan8990, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l
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09:13<Titan8990>Araneidae, gsynaptics is a gui for configuring touchpads
09:13<Titan8990>jolst, try running alsaconf as root
09:14<Araneidae>Titan8990, thanks, looking for that now
09:14<jolst>Titan8990, ok, do i need to restart after that?
09:15<Titan8990>jolst, shouldn't no
09:15<Titan8990>jolst, might need to run `alsamixer` to make sure the sound isn't muted
09:16<Titan8990>jolst, did alsaconf detect your sound card?
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09:16<Araneidae>Huh: where does SHMConfig True go in xorg.conf?
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09:16<jolst>Titan8990, i guess hda-intel
09:17<Titan8990>jolst, thats the most common
09:17<jolst>Titan8990, but it's still not working
09:17<jolst>Titan8990, it was working fine yesterday
09:17<jolst>Titan8990, i had a power outage and it stopped working
09:17<Araneidae>"InputDevice", of course!
09:17<jolst>Titan8990, but on windows sound is working fine
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09:19<jolst>Titan8990, is there a service i could restart?
09:19<Wilthril>ok since I'll have to disconnect if I change my router are these settings correct ?
09:20<Titan8990>jolst, ehh, in squeeze there is something /etc/init.d/alsasound or /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
09:20<Titan8990>not sure if it was around for lenny... doubt it
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09:22<jolst>Titan8990, i only have alsa-utils, i stopped it, ran alsaconf and started alsa-utils, still no luck
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09:24<peej>Wilthril, your address changed from .125 to .123?
09:24<Wilthril>jolst: have you tried running mplayer on command line? it helped me sometimes
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09:25<Wilthril>peej: it shouldn't change much since it's in the range but you're right
09:25<Wilthril>i'll put it back to 125
09:25<Titan8990>jolst, try to create a new user and test with the new user... maybe there is some type of setting in your DE that is borking it's sound daemon
09:25<jolst>Wilthril, i'm testing with mplayer, it gives a bunch of alsa errors *.c then says no audio
09:26<peej>and your network should be .0 - you can probably leave it out entirely actually
09:26<Wilthril>so I comment the network line?
09:27<Wilthril>jolst: so it's definitely alsa the problem...
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09:28<peej>Wilthril, I'd wipe it out entirely because it is misleading, since.1 is your gateway ip.
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09:29<Wilthril>ok then I'll remove it
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09:29<jolst>i'm gonna restart and create a new user, brb :)
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09:58<Wilthril>ok now I put the old router and I can telnet the nas
09:58<Wilthril>which dhcp client do you recommend?
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09:59<cwood>Wilthril: dhcp3-client works for me.
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10:01<Wilthril>ok thanks first uninstall the one I already have
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10:03<cwood>If you have one, why not use it?
10:04<Wilthril>cwood: because the one I currently have doesn't work very well
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10:05<cwood>Oh, well then by all means switch.
10:06<Wilthril>yeah now I have to find the package...
10:07<Wilthril>woops the one I already have is dhcp3-client
10:07<Wilthril>..... I'm cursed....
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10:10<cwood>If /sbin/dhclient doesn't get you dhcp, you likely have underlying issues.
10:10<cwood>When you say "doesn't work very well", could you please quantify that?
10:11<Wilthril>cwood: sure actually it gets DHCPOFFERS but don't use them
10:11<Wilthril>with an old and almost dying router it works, but with a brand new one it doesn't
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10:12<cwood>If you change routers and that changes how dhclient functions, that implies that the issue may be in the router. There are a bunch of dhcp packages in the repository, you could see if any of those interact better with your newer router.
10:13<Wilthril>the other thing is I also have a computer with ubuntu, an xbox, a media center, etc... and they all work fine without changing anything
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10:14<Wilthril>here are the boot logs when the nas tries to get the network:
10:14<samfisher>why do debian users hate ubuntu users?
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10:15<Wilthril>samfisher: dunno and i'd like to know myself :)
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10:15<cwood>Wilthril: you could compare your Debian config with your Ubuntu config, see what's different.
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10:16<samfisher>i still think it is silly we could all just code together and move ahead twice as fast
10:16<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
10:17<Wilthril>cwood: debian is an arm build, my ubuntu a standard x86 build
10:17<Titan8990>samfisher, in short, because its terrible yet still popular with a community overflowing with newbs
10:17<Wilthril>and my ubuntu is working fine thanks :)
10:17<cwood>Oh, the "newbs". Could we possibly use less derisive terms?
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10:18<Titan8990>"newbs" is much shorter than "people new to linux"
10:18<samfisher>you know what i love newbs, they bring more attention to linux. the more linux users in the world the better
10:18<Titan8990>unless you have some kind of other single term for that, i will stick with newbs, thanks
10:19<Wilthril>well if you want to know i have ubuntu because it's debian-based (.deb rocks)
10:20<Titan8990>ubuntu has documentation that only explains gui only methods of doing things.... that makes want to vomit
10:21<cwood>Eh, emotional attachment to interfaces. If that floats your boat.
10:21<Wilthril>Titan8990: because newbs hate command line stuff...
10:21<jpinx-eeepc>Titan8990: most ooboontoo users use gui only I reckon ;)
10:21<Titan8990>exactly but by doing so they are isolating the more experienced users
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10:22<Wilthril>jpinx-eeepc: I'm an exception I can write shell scripts when I want :)
10:22<cwood>Sounds like you're not in Ubuntu's target market, Titan8990.
10:22<azeem>he's not a human being?
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10:22<jpinx-eeepc>Wilthril: cool - install debian then ;)
10:23*arw hello folks
10:23<Titan8990>cwood, your right, i am not. which is why I am in #debian and #gentoo but not #ubuntu
10:23<Wilthril>jpinx-eeepc: I've a very good friend who'll feel lonely if i switch to debian :p
10:24<Wilthril>Titan8990: you can be on both :D
10:24<Titan8990>Wilthril, i hate #ubuntu with a passion, the questions people ask make me cringe
10:24<Titan8990>although same goes for #remote-exploit a lot of times but i still hang out....
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10:25<Wilthril>Titan8990: like how do i install internet explorer?
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10:26<Titan8990>lol yeah
10:26<jpinx-eeepc>it runs in wine :p
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10:29<Wilthril>jpinx-eeepc: well maybe I should ask you about that another day... but one problem at a time :)
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10:30<samfisher>Titan8990: why hate ubuntu it brings in more people into the linux circle of love
10:30<jpinx-eeepc>Wilthril: yep - one day one problem ;)
10:30<Titan8990>unlike some people, i could care less how many end-users linux have
10:31<Wilthril>jpinx-eeepc: i'd prefer one day one problem fixed :)
10:31<Titan8990>how many devs is another story
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10:32<samfisher>well the more people you get playing with linux the more devs you are going to get
10:32<jpinx-eeepc>Titan8990: it's the endusers like me that give linux a reason to exist :p
10:32<cwood>Titan8990: as I'm fond of saying, Once upon a time I used Redhat and it did something daft, so I moved to Debian. Since then I've seen Gentoo and now Ubuntu also be the latest shiniest things and Debian is still there doing what I need it to do.
10:32<samfisher>the more people we can get to fiddle with linux the better it will become
10:33<Titan8990>samfisher, you mean the more geared towards regular end-users it will become
10:33<Titan8990>which means i will have to switch to BSD
10:34<jpinx-eeepc>Titan8990: I saw something about BSD kernel support in Debian - you don't have to go anywhere;)
10:34<cwood>Titan8990: why will you have to switch? Won't you still be able to build your own thing out of the kernel, the GNU userland, etc.?
10:34<samfisher>no, since linux is unix based it will always have the same ability regardless of how user friendly it gets. so yeah ubuntu is user friendly but also very powerful for more experienced users
10:34<cwood>I say this never having seriously used Gentoo or Redhat on the desktop.
10:35<samfisher>i think i will switch to fedora, there is a constant
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10:36<Titan8990>fedora is possibly the only distro more unstable than ubuntu
10:36<Titan8990>ehh, maybe sidux
10:36<Titan8990>not counting sabayon which is just a complete POS
10:36<samfisher>now you are just making irrational comments. if it is the most unstable why do the majority of science research centers use it
10:37<Titan8990>a need for bleeding edge software > stability?
10:37<Titan8990>fedora has never been stability oriented... its about testing new things
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10:38<Titan8990>!start a distro way
10:38<Titan8990>!start a distro war
10:38<dpkg>Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'.
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10:39<samfisher>well the great thing about ubuntu, is that there are alot more users, therefore a lot more people solving the problems that i might run into, therefore i spend less time fiddling and more time enjoying
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10:39<Titan8990>samfisher, fiddling is enjoying to me
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10:40<cwood>Titan8990: You seem to have different needs than many ubuntu users, at any rate.
10:40<Titan8990>which is why I also run gentoo on my laptop and one of my servers
10:40<samfisher>if you like fiddling so much then get a C64
10:40<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
10:40<Titan8990>cwood, I agree with that
10:40<cwood>As I am very, very fond of saying... Debian is for me. The rest of you people should figure out what you need and stop telling me what I should do.
10:40<samfisher>commodore 64 that is for all you newbs
10:40<Titan8990>samfisher, i have one, thanks
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10:41<samfisher>hahaha i knew it
10:41<Titan8990>hasn't worked in years though, busted capacitor on the main board
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10:41<ruotsalainen>you should join #debian-i-am-ranting-without-asking-a-question
10:41<samfisher>so find an EE to help you out or fix it yourself
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10:42<Titan8990>ruotsalainen, sorry, this started with me answering a question, and we have been OT for too long
10:42<BCDN>what is the best way to do usb drive automounting (fluxbox on squeeze)? ivman/pmount?
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10:44<BCDN>or halevt?
10:44<kop>BCDN: I like usbmount. YMMV.
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10:46<kop>BCDN: The trouble with most usb sticks is that they have (v)fat filesystems. So there's no way to autounmount on unplug.
10:46<Wilthril>damn it i can't find any dhcp client besides the dhcp-client package... anyone knows other ones?
10:47<kop>Speaking of usb sticks. Does anyone know how to partition a usb stick and make it bootable?
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10:47<Wilthril>kop: gparted
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10:47<kop>Wilthril: aptitude search '~Gdhcp'
10:47<cwood>kop: fdisk?
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10:48<BCDN>well, just so happens that I'm working on a laptop for my wife and need to to be stupid simple (not that she is) but the lappy only has a 1400Mhz and 512Ram. I decided on fluxbox due to low system usage. All of her usb drives have been formated ext2
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10:48<kop>cwood: Apparently not. I tried it once. The partitioning works fine, but the boot block does not.
10:49<Wilthril>with gparted you can add a boot flag it's worth the shot
10:49<BCDN>but what happens with vfat? does it write to the disk and she can just unplug it (ala win)? or does the drive stay mounted?
10:49<kop>It's not the boot flag, there's MSDOS-ish magic in the boot loader.
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10:50<kop>BCDN: IIRC it gets corrupted. You must unmount (via something, like throwing in the trash or command line or whatever).
10:51<BCDN>blech. does that happen with ext2 drives?
10:51<goodger>BCDN: you can't just write and unplug in windows either, there's a "safely remove hardware" tray icon
10:51<kop>Or as I recall, it's not the boot loader, it's the boot sector. And usb sticks are weird because the hardware wear leveling moves stuff around. Hence the problem.
10:52<BCDN>that not true. win >= XP once the write is complete you can just yank the drive
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10:52<Wilthril>kop: aptitude search '~Gdhcp' gives me nothing
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10:52<kop>BCDN: Not so much, but I think there still are possible issues. There's something in the README or some such of usbmount that remarks on it.
10:53<kop>Wilthril: What version of debian? I've got a page full with half a dozen clients.
10:53<BCDN>ok better yet is there a light weight (python?) gui that will let her mount a usb drive where ever she wants and then let her umount them>
10:53<Titan8990>BCDN, many file managers have this ability with the help of HAL
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10:53<Wilthril>kop: Linux DNS-313 2.6.15 #2 Tue Sep 23 21:25:49 CEST 2008 armv4l GNU/Linux
10:53<Titan8990>BCDN, i use the XFCE file manager, thunar
10:53<Wilthril>(it's a debian lenny)
10:53<abrotman>that's not a lenny kernel
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10:54<Wilthril>my sources.list use lenny packages
10:54<abrotman>Wilthril: you probably need to have the kernel metapackage installed
10:55<BCDN>thanks guys!
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10:55<Wilthril>abrotman: which package?
10:55<kop>abrotman: Although that should not break apt so his search fails.
10:55<abrotman>Wilthril: dpkg -l linux-image* ?
10:55<abrotman>kop: no, but i'm just commenting that it's *very very VERY* out of date
10:55<kop>Wilthril: Have you done a 'aptitude update' lately?
10:56<Wilthril>kop: i did yesterday
10:56<Wilthril>(actually i did apt-get update/upgrade)
10:56<kop>Wilthril: And you're using official debian repos?
10:56<Wilthril>dpkg -l linux-image* returns nothing
10:56<dpkg>ii linux-image* returns nothing 2.7-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
10:56<cwood>Wilthril: what's your uptime?
10:57<Wilthril>on the nas? 23min
10:57<cwood>And what's your kernel-image* package version>?
10:57<cwood>you would: dpkg -l kernel-version*
10:57<abrotman>i have a feeling it's not a debian kernel at all, and never was .. didn't know it was a nas
10:58<Wilthril>dpkg -l kernel-version* returns "No packages found matching kernel-version*"
10:58<dpkg>ii kernel-version* returns "No packages found matching kernel-version*" 1.3-3 wilthril's private gamp collection
10:58<kop>I get this feeling it's not really debian... I've never seen '#debian package' before.
11:01<Wilthril>it's a very small debian... without any desktop environment
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11:02<kop>Wilthril: What does "cat /etc/debian_version" say?
11:02<themill>That's not a debian packaged kernel
11:03<abrotman>i'd be more interested in 'dpkg -l libc6'
11:03<Wilthril>cat /etc/debian_version -> 5.0.3
11:04<Wilthril>for dpkg -l libc6 -> ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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11:04<kop>abrotman: Or maybe a paste of sources.list.
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11:05<Wilthril>easy 2 lines: deb lenny main and deb lenny/updates main contrib non-free
11:05<abrotman>seems to be lenny, but without the lenny kernel
11:05<abrotman>and what about it is broken?
11:05<Wilthril>the dhcp client
11:05<abrotman>which is dependent on some kernel bits ...
11:06<Wilthril>the boot logs:
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11:06<Wilthril>when I switch to an old router it works that's confusing
11:06<kop>abrotman: Well that and that "aptitude search '~Gdhcp'" returns nothing.
11:07<abrotman>aptitude search "~ndhcp" ?
11:10<Wilthril>your search takes some time... it's only a 500Mhz cpu :p
11:11<azeem>did you explain what egiga0 is yet?
11:11<abrotman>have you tried setting a static IP?
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11:11<Wilthril>egiga0 is the ethernet interface
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11:11<Wilthril>to put it simple egiga0 = eth0
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11:13<Wilthril>abrotman: static doesn't work as well but I'd really prefer to use DHCP
11:13<abrotman>i was just asking if it worked
11:14<Wilthril>nope it doesn't
11:14<abrotman>but it used to ?
11:15<abrotman>the dhcp i mean .. have you changed anything about your physical network setup?
11:15<Wilthril>well with my old router both static and dynamic work, with the new one neither of them work
11:16<Wilthril>when set to static IP, if I try ifconfig the output is exactly the same when it works and when it doesn't (yep that's sooo weird)
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11:20<Wilthril>no nothing has changed physically besides the router
11:21<abrotman>maybe there's a problem with the router?
11:21*cwood points out his similar comment in the scrollback.
11:21<Wilthril>maybe but I've double checked the DHCP part
11:22<Wilthril>and if the router is faulty why my computer (and other stuff) work fine?
11:22<abrotman>Wilthril: did you check for a firmware update for the router that might fix such an issue ?
11:22<Titan8990>i mentioned this a while ago.... if it does not work with a static IP either, DHCP probably isn't your issue
11:22<Wilthril>abrotman: yes I've checked any firmware update
11:22<Wilthril>Titan8990: but the logs show that DHCP has some issues
11:22<abrotman>Wilthril: make it static .. rule out the DHCP .. if static fails, there is osmething else wrong
11:22<Titan8990>and with that said, my friends xbox will NOT work with the DHCP server on my ddwrt router
11:23<abrotman>Titan8990: your friend is microsoft shill!
11:23<Wilthril>abrotman: you mean i put all my hardware static?
11:23<abrotman>no, the broken nas
11:23<abrotman>or non-working NAS
11:24*abrotman thinks the router is broken!
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11:24<Wilthril>ok then i'll have to change the router
11:24<Wilthril>I hope you won't ask me to telnet access to the nas again
11:25<Titan8990>it doesn't have ssh?
11:25<Wilthril>i can install it but since i'm at home with my wired network it's ok
11:25<Wilthril>i'll deal about ssh once the network is fine :)
11:27<Wilthril>ok brb
11:28<CALAM>as kolter
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11:29<visitante> como vç estar/
11:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:29<visitante>NAO SEI FALAR ASSIM
11:29<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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11:33<CALAM>juanfer Today you will be here in assisprex
11:34<peter-cammer>Hy, .. can anyone tell me how to "build/make" one single kernel module out of the source tree ???
11:36<Wilthril>ok now it's static and it doesn't work (new router) here is the ifconfig output
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11:36<abrotman>CALAM: do you have a Debian related question ?
11:36<Titan8990>wth is up with a interface egiga0.... thats more of a bsd naming convention
11:36<oliva>hi there anybody is using request tracker successfully on debian?
11:36<abrotman>Titan8990: it's an ARM box
11:37<abrotman>oliva: i have set it up on lenny
11:37<abrotman>oliva: you're going to complain about not being able to install it with pgsql ?
11:37<abrotman>(because the maintainer screwed up the depends)
11:38<Wilthril>yes it's an ARM box
11:38<abrotman>i said that!
11:38<Wilthril>ok ok :)
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11:39<Wilthril>the boot log show nothing this time, but still no network... damn...
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11:40<juanfer>CALAM /j #assisprex in FreeNode
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11:42<oliva>abrotman: nope, I'm trying to configure it with the LDAP backend
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11:44<oliva>abrotman: I'm trying to higer the level of debug, but it doesn't work if specified in the I have found the Package SiteConfig and proceeding to change default values.
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11:47<valdyn>peter-cammer: make path/to/module.ko
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11:47<valdyn>peter-cammer: or read the documenation "make help"
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11:48<peter-cammer>valdyn: You are my hero !! Thanks !
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11:52<peej>oliva, what's the documentation you are following?
11:52<oliva>hi peej
11:53<oliva>I'm following the ExternalAuth documentation
11:53<oliva>I have found the log file
11:53<oliva>by lookng into the package cofing file
11:53*oliva rebooting
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11:56<Wilthril>ok here is my new router DHCP settings it may help
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11:58<oliva>is there any other documentation to follow to setup ldap in request tracker with debian?
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12:12<Wilthril>ok so now i really don't know what to do...
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12:25<Gun_Smoke>how does icedtea compare to sun-java? Drop in replacement? Lacking anything?
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12:57<peter-cammer>Hi, fighting with building a patched module here.. "insmod: error inserting '/root/option.ko': -1 Invalid module format" using the same kernel version, processor ... any insights ???
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13:00<azeem>peter-cammer: run "file" on it and on a regular module under /lib/modules and compare
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13:03<peter-cammer>azeem: The not-patched-file (running, no prob.) and the patched-file ( error ) give exactly the same answer..
13:04<azeem>how did you patch it?
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13:06<peter-cammer>I manually edited 2 numbers in the source.. It's a known and easy bug .. then i recompiled it with make /<path to file>/option.ko .. but the kernel-tree i use may not be the same..
13:07<peter-cammer>There is a diffrence if I use modinfo in the "depends" and the "srcversion"
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13:31<peter-cammer>azeem: any idear ?
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13:39<davyg>hello i'm on sid amd64 i have just installed kernel 2.6.31 and i wanted to install non-free nvidia driver thanks to
13:39<davyg>but i need linux-kbuild which is unavailable
13:39*abrotman points at davyg and laughs
13:40<Titan8990>i just searched that page for "kbuild".... not found
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13:44<julian>plz help me..
13:44<davyg>there is an other way to install nvidia driver ? appart from nvidia way ?
13:45<julian>i have a problem with the install "cacti"
13:45<julian>Invalid command 'php_flag', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
13:45<julian> failed!
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13:48<Stefano>hi all
13:49<Stefano>I have a question regardin a WiFi nic on a toshiba satellite laptop
13:49<Stefano>anybody can help me?
13:50<abrotman>just ask
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13:53<Stefano>I've installed the latest debian distro on my new laptop: toshiba satellite pro, but I cannot find the device in the device list
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13:55<Wilthril>Stefano: if you type ifconfig -a it's not on the list?
13:55<Wilthril>or better iwconfig
13:56<Stefano>nothing with iwconfig
13:57<abrotman>Stefano: is it USB or PCI ?
13:57<Stefano>with ifconfig -a just the ethernet and lo
13:57<Stefano>it is the internal wifi of the laptop so I think is a mini pci...
13:58<abrotman>Stefano: lspci .. do you see the device in the list ?
13:58<Stefano>03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100
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13:59<dpkg>somebody said iwlagn was the driver for Intel 5050, 5100BG/ABG/ABN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series of wireless LAN adapters. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27 ("modprobe iwlagn"). Lenny users: ask me about <> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware>.
13:59<abrotman>!tell Stefano about
13:59<abrotman>and see the URL mentioned
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14:01<Stefano>tnx 4 the moment, start work on it with iwlagn, I'll let you know
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14:05<julian>anybody can help me?
14:05<julian>Invalid command 'php_flag', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
14:06<abrotman>did you use the debian cacti packages ?
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14:06<abrotman>did you use the debian cacti packages ?
14:06<julian>I am installing from aptitude
14:07<abrotman>and where are you getting that error?
14:07<julian>when you finish installing the cacti .. it tries to load the installation of apache2 again .. and leaves this error
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14:08<julian>/etc/rc2.d# ./S91apache2 reload
14:08<abrotman>julian: which version of debian? which version of cacti?
14:08<julian>Syntax error on line 11 of /etc/apache2/conf.d/cacti.conf:
14:08<julian>Invalid command 'php_flag', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
14:08<julian> failed!
14:09<julian>cacti 0.8.7e-1
14:09<Stefano>hi, i done it. looks ok to me just need a reboot . thx for the help !!
14:10<abrotman>that's not the lenny version of cacti
14:10<julian>cacti 0.8.7e-1
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14:10<abrotman>that's not the lenny version of cacti
14:11<julian>FORGIVENESS ... you need to know the version of debian?
14:11<abrotman>judd: versions cacti
14:11<judd>abrotman: cacti -- etch: 0.8.6i-3.5 etch-security: 0.8.6i-3.5 lenny: 0.8.7b-2.1 sid: 0.8.7b-2.1 sid: 0.8.7e-1 squeeze: 0.8.7e-1
14:11<abrotman>i'm telling you that the version of cacti you're installing isn't from lenny
14:11<julian>I have installed debian lenny 5
14:11<abrotman>it sounds like you're mixing lenny with something else .. which will go badly
14:12<abrotman>put your /etc/apt/sources.list in
14:12<seanius>julian: 0.8.7e-1 is from testing/unstable
14:12<julian>ahhh and that version should I install?
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14:14<abrotman>julian: welcome to unstable .. enjoy the broken bits
14:15<julian>jajaja, Hell ... Good. and I can do?
14:15<seanius>cacti shoudl be fine in unstable though, sounds like it's just some problem with a missing package or some mix of stuff between stable and unstable which isn't getting along
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14:16<julian>Any ideas? I just installed from apt and I have not touched anything in the configuration ...
14:17<davyg>And what about my nvidia driver does someone has an idea ?
14:20<seanius>julian: how about the output of apt-cache policy cacti
14:21<abrotman>probably the versions of php5 and apache are more important
14:21<seanius>it'd be good to figure out how you got where you are before trying to get somewhere else, is all i'm thinking :)
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14:22<abrotman>he's using unstable ..
14:22<julian>my php version 5.1
14:23<abrotman>no it's not
14:23<seanius>oh, i just saw the sid line in the sources.list, it got blurred next to all those comments
14:23<abrotman>judd: versions libapache2-mod-php5
14:23<judd>abrotman: libapache2-mod-php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch15 lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 sid: 5.2.11.dfsg.1-1 squeeze: 5.2.11.dfsg.1-1 experimental: 5.3.0-2
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14:26<seanius>julian: okay, how about pastebinning the output of : dpkg -l '*php5*' '*apache2*' | grep ^ii
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14:28<seanius>julian: okay, i think you need to install libapache2-mod-php5, which will remove the apache2-mpm-worker package and hopefully offer you the alternative of the -prefork version
14:29<seanius>unless you're conciously trying to use fcgi or something
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14:37<julian>the cacti is run..
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14:39<seanius>np :)
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14:44<davyg>i have manually build linux-kbuild how can i install linux-headers now ?
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14:55<xente>hi. I am using kde 4.3 for the first time and I can't get the gtk-qt-engine to work...where does one configure this?
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14:57<Titan8990>xente, according that package description thats for using qt apps in a gtk environment, sounds like you want to do the opposite
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14:58<xente>Titan8990: how does one get gtk programs to look like kde4?
14:58<xente>I know you could do it with kde 3.x
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14:59<Titan8990>xente, not sure, i was ask #debian-kde
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15:04<Ignaz>hi, all
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15:07<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to prevent the screensaver activating if there is joystick activity? I am using gnome desktop if that helps.
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15:19<sney>EmleyMoor: I'm not sure how to do it, but if you configure X to recognize the joystick as a mouse, then it should keep the screensaver from activating
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16:51<gandalph>hi all together!
16:52<gandalph>i have debian lenny and i need the newst cups-driver 1.4.1. how can i install this in lenny?
16:53<Titan8990>judd, versions cups
16:53<judd>Titan8990: cups -- etch-backports: 1.3.8-1lenny4~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.3.8-1lenny4.1 lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny6 sid: 1.4.1-4 squeeze: 1.4.1-4
16:53<Titan8990>!tell gandalph about ssb
16:54<Titan8990>gandalph, check your pm from dpkg
16:55<gandalph>can i use cups from sid in stable?
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16:56<Titan8990>gandalph, yes, but only if you use the ssb method of installation
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16:56<gandalph>what is the ssb-method, please?
16:57<leper>hello abd
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16:58<Titan8990>gandalph, check your pm from dpkg
16:59<adb>leper, hi
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17:00<kop>Odd. Blash has crashed on me twice now. I think both times while pressing the reply button.
17:00<gandalph>titan8990, pm? packetmanager?
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17:00<kop>gandalph: See the install guide for the ssh method. You boot, and answer minimal questions and then can complete the install with ssh.
17:00<Titan8990>gandalph, private message... i will do it to main channel
17:00<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
17:01<USB_PPC>i am trying to install debian via usb flash drive
17:01<USB_PPC>how would i do it manually in case unetbootin fails to work
17:01<USB_PPC>i do not have an internet connection
17:01<USB_PPC>i looked at the tutorials but cant find boot.img.gz for ppc anywhere
17:02<USB_PPC>and i dont understand the other tutorials
17:02<locklace>!usb install
17:02<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
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17:02<USB_PPC>i looked at that
17:02<USB_PPC>i dont understand that at all
17:02<kop>USB_PPC: Did you look at the install guide at
17:02<USB_PPC>since im trying to do this from windows
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17:03<locklace>if you're doing it from windows, just use unetbootin. it works fine
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17:03<USB_PPC>There is an all-in-one file hd-media/boot.img.gz which contains all the installer files (including the kernel) as well as syslinux and its configuration file
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17:03<USB_PPC>i cant find it for ppc
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17:04<USB_PPC>you see thing is if it DOES fail probably wont have acess to the computer im trying to do this on for at least like a week
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17:05<USB_PPC>i'd really rather just get this thing done
17:06<USB_PPC>oh some questions about the install
17:06<gandalph>ok, thanks titan8990. i will try it.
17:07<kop>USB_PPC: Humm. I just looked at the ppc install manual and didn't see USB, which does not necessarly mean it's not there.... I tend to use tftp.
17:07<USB_PPC>i tried ftp
17:07<kop>USB_PPC: Tftp. It's a boot protocol.
17:08<USB_PPC> am confused about the domain name part of the installer.I will probably use comcast as my internet provider do I just type in whatever?Would I need lvm?
17:08<kop>USB_PPC: Sorta like ftp, but with it's manhood removed. Actually, pxe is the boot protocol, but the boot images can be retrieved via tftp.
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17:08<USB_PPC>i have no internet connection on the mac im doing this on
17:08<kop>USB_PPC: You should type in whatever, so long as whatever does not exist anywhere on the net or you won't be able to reach the real whatever.
17:09<USB_PPC>would i need lvm then?
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17:09<kop>USB_PPC: One common choice is foo.local.
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17:09<kop>USB_PPC: I like lvm. It makes space management easier. But you don't have to have it. It just makes your partition sizes (more) dynamic.
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17:10<USB_PPC>lvm it is
17:10<USB_PPC>Do I need to have a seperate /home partition at all?When I get to software selection do I need to check anything else besides desktop and standard system? I am not going to be running a server of any kind
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17:11<kop>USB_PPC: If you're new to linux or planning on having only a / and swap partition anyway then you probably don't need lvm.
17:12<kop>USB_PPC: You can have everything on one partition. The downside is that if you want to, e.g., abandon debian and use another linux then your /home may well be erased in the process.
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17:12<USB_PPC>i'd only switch if debian asplodes in my face
17:13*USB_PPC glares at firefox
17:13<kop>USB_PPC: You don't need to check anything else. What you check does not really matter because you can always install anything later. (Although without net access that's more difficult.)
17:13<USB_PPC>i'll get net later
17:13<USB_PPC>last 2
17:13<USB_PPC>What about GRUB? I dont want any other os on my mac except debian.However I still have the failed install of mac osx 10.4 on there.I dont want my machine to be "temporarily unbootable."At the end of the install should I remove the usb while it is rebooting or remove directly on the install finished screen?
17:14<kop>USB_PPC: I tend to install the bare minimum and then install what I want piece by piece, usually over time.
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17:16<kop>USB_PPC: I don't know for sure, but it probably does not matter. Once the master boot sector is written, it's written and will be used at the next boot.
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17:21<adb>USB_PPC, read carefully ; , and for hd-media/boot.img.gz get it from
17:21<USB_PPC>thank you
17:21<USB_PPC>now i can do a manual install
17:21<adb>and ppc use yaboot not grub
17:22<USB_PPC>would that still matter?
17:22<USB_PPC>do i need to have that installed?
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17:23<adb>USB_PPC, follow installation and you'll see all you needs
17:23<USB_PPC>but i dont want my mac to be temoprarily unbootable
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17:24<adb>it will not be if no faults done by user
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17:24<USB_PPC>hehehe i know nothing about linux at all :3
17:24<Drion>g'day all
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17:25<USB_PPC>oh last 2 questions
17:25<USB_PPC>on unetbootin it says installing boot manager
17:25<USB_PPC>just to be sure it'll install it on the usb device correct?
17:26<adb>don't use unetbootin for ppc
17:26<USB_PPC>also there is an exe on both of the flash drives that came with them
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17:26<USB_PPC>it's some password protection program which ill never ever use
17:27<USB_PPC>should i delete that? would that interferre at all?
17:27<adb>!tell USB_PPC -about usb install
17:28<USB_PPC>ive read that already :/
17:28<USB_PPC>im just gonna use dd for windows
17:29<adb>USB_PPC, btw , i get you 2 weeks to achive that install ;) have fun
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17:29<USB_PPC>dd if=boot.img of=\\.\e:
17:29<USB_PPC>would that work?
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17:32<Drion>part &2
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17:39<USB_PPC>i still have 2 unanwsered questions
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17:43<EmleyMoor>USB_PPC: Consider them unasked and ask again if you like
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17:43<USB_PPC>dd if=boot.img of=\\.\e:
17:43<USB_PPC>would that work?
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17:44<USB_PPC>also there is an exe on both of the flash drives that came with them it's a password protection program which ill never use
17:44<USB_PPC>should i delete it?
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17:44<EmleyMoor>"Work" as is do what?
17:45<USB_PPC>as in make my usb drive a bootable debian installer
17:45<EmleyMoor>Also, you can of course delete what you don't use...
17:45<USB_PPC>im gonna be using the ppc distro and dd for windows
17:45<USB_PPC>but would it interferre the exe file?
17:45<USB_PPC> this
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17:46<EmleyMoor>Not actually done this... but let's see...
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17:46<USB_PPC>and if it does could you maybe wal me through it? :/
17:46<AcidBurn>bonjour à vous tous
17:46<AcidBurn>french ?
17:46<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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17:47<EmleyMoor>That dd would appear to be right, if you have the right drive letter
17:48<USB_PPC>Extract the boot.img file from the downloaded boot.img.gz file.
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17:48<USB_PPC>I placed the boot.img file in the same directory where I extracted the dd binary to avoid path problems
17:48<USB_PPC>i would place both in my documents
17:48<USB_PPC>would that work?
17:49<huseyin_>i have got a hybserv on debian lenny
17:49<EmleyMoor>As long as you can access dd from where you are and the boot.img is there, fine
17:49<USB_PPC>After dd finishes, copy the debian-LennyBeta2-amd64-businesscard.iso file to the USB stick
17:49<USB_PPC>the roo a special folder?
17:49<huseyin_>huseyin@ersoy:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure hybserv
17:49<huseyin_>Stopping Hybserv 2 IRC Services: hybserv ... not running!
17:49<huseyin_>Not starting Hybserv 2 IRC Services: please edit /etc/hybserv/hybserv.conf first...
17:49<huseyin_>huseyin@ersoy:~$ su irc
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17:49<EmleyMoor>USB_PPC: There should be next to nothing on the stick. Just to the root
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17:50<USB_PPC>okay thanks
17:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
17:50*EmleyMoor might try this when the laptop arrives
17:50<USB_PPC>but would the exe file interferre?
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17:50<USB_PPC>i might want to leave it on there just in case
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17:50<EmleyMoor>USB_PPC: I doubt it would even still be there. It wouldn't interfere if it was though
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17:50<huseyin_>WARNING: Unable to read pid file /var/run/ircd/ <<- what is it mean?
17:51<EmleyMoor>huseyin_: Does the file exist?
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17:52<EmleyMoor>huseyin_: I see the error... but does that pid file exist?
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17:53<USB_PPC>oops forgot about one thing
17:53<USB_PPC>should i extract boot.img.gz?
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17:54<huseyin_>EmleyMoor, run /usr/sbin/hybserv -pidfile /var/run/... <- true commands ?
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17:54<EmleyMoor>USB_PPC: gzip -d it and dd the img...
17:55<EmleyMoor>huseyin_: Yes - but check for the existence of the file
17:55<USB_PPC>so extract it using winrar?
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17:56<EmleyMoor>USB_PPC: Ah - Windows... use something thaht can extract .gz, possibly winrar
17:56<huseyin_>EmleyMoor, ok running hybserv
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17:57<dr|z3d>7zip is better than WinRar.
17:57<EmleyMoor>huseyin_: Checking for the existence of the file is done from a shell
17:57<dr|z3d>(being free).
17:57<huseyin_>but why did thy run dpkg-reconfigure hybserv
17:57<huseyin_>not shell
17:57<huseyin_>running local
17:57<EmleyMoor>A shell on your local machine... not a shell *account*
17:58<dr|z3d>huseyin_: terminal/console. That's what EmleyMoor means by shell, here.
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17:59<huseyin_>Why not work with this command (dpkg-reconfigure hybserv)
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17:59<EmleyMoor>What not?
18:00<EmleyMoor>What exactly happened when you tried it?
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18:30<s3a>my wireless router allows me to connect through my laptop and my desktop doesnt connect with a wire with windows or with debian and the link blinks on ethernet port and im controlling my laptop from this computer using this wire so the wire works and i tried several ports on the router, please help
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18:30<s3a>i need to talk to my dad on webcam long distance and i need windows (aka this computer)
18:30<s3a>the "dhclient" command says the network is down
18:30<EmleyMoor>s3a: Does it work connected directly between the two machines?
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18:31<s3a>well i dont no how to do that exactly but im controlling my laptop which is connected wireless using the wire on this comp (LAN) but not internet
18:31<EmleyMoor>s3a: The wire - what is it connected to at eaoch end?
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18:32<s3a>wireless router's ethernet port and my mobo's ethernet port
18:32<s3a>it use to work, i dont no wat happened
18:32<s3a>i dont use this comp much
18:32<EmleyMoor>Oh right... so not what I thought might be the problem from your description
18:33<EmleyMoor>Are you saying that machine cannot get onto the Internet?
18:33<s3a>the laptop can though so im connected using LAN to the laptop from this comp but the comp cant access the internet itself
18:34<EmleyMoor>Sounds very like a configuration matter on the router. What router is it?
18:34<s3a>and i connected the wire to the laptop to c and it works on laptop
18:34<s3a>but y would it work on laptop then?
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18:34<s3a>i disabled wireless and put the wire
18:34<s3a>and the light blinks on mobo's ethernet and LAN works so the mobo isnt defective or the cable
18:35<EmleyMoor>s3a: It's as though the router is blocking the MAC address of the mobo
18:35<s3a>im not too familiar with that stuff
18:35<s3a>so could you help me please
18:35<s3a>it's a dlink
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18:36<s3a>D-Link DI-524
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18:36<EmleyMoor>Sorry, can't help you there - have had virtually no dealings with D-Link
18:36<s3a>well in general terms wat do i have to do maybe i can figure it out myself?
18:37<dr|z3d>The router's unlikely to be blocking the MAC address.
18:37<dr|z3d>That's severely unlikely.
18:37<dr|z3d>s3a: What output do you see when you type: ifconfig ?
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18:39<s4a>all i had to do was restart the router!
18:39<s4a>i just redid the wizard
18:39<s4a>anyways now im gonna talk to my dad but thanks
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18:49<dal_>Year-old Lenny install. Sound stopped working—never happened before. Alsa restart does nothing. Ditto for reboot. Anyone got this?
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18:50<martys>can someone help me troubleshoot nfs? everything was working fine, dont know what changed, but I cant mount my nfs share. host/client can both communicate, but the mount request just hangs forever.. i see this on the client after a long while: nfs: server filer-1 not responding, timed out
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18:52<hazard2>Is there any way to get aptitude to NOT try to start system daemons after it installs/updates them?
18:53<hazard2>Since runningthe updates/installer under a chroot has...strange consequences for the parent system
18:53<dr|z3d>dal_: See ya!
18:53<dal_>that was a joke
18:54<dal_>but having no sound is getting annoying
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18:55<dal_>I'm a try alsaconf
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18:55<adb>dal_, are you in audio group ?
18:57<dal_>adb how do I check that again
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18:58<dal_>I'm already a memeber of 'audio'
18:59<dal_>event not found
19:00<dal_>went through alsaconf again and that did nothing though I haven't rebooted since
19:01<adb>check unmute in alsamixer or so
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19:01<dal_>nah nothing's muted
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19:02<adb>dal_, try a reboot ..
19:02<Wilthril>dal_: or check your speakers :)
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19:03<hazard2>dal_ is the speakers connected to sound card right (I've had stupid problems with that)
19:03<dal_>guys it's working somehow now
19:04<dal_>what a relief
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19:04<leper>exist is there a program like teamvier but for windows?
19:04<dal_>I thought I was going to have to install the OEM XP drive
19:05<dal_>to watch youtube
19:06<adb>nah , install flash
19:06<adb>!tell dal_ -about flash
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19:18<dal_>I have working flash 10
19:18<adb>cool dal_
19:19<dal_>but I have to restart firefox after waking from suspend or hibernate in order for the flashplayer sound to work
19:19<dal_>so I guess it's not really working haha
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19:20<adb>still cool dal_
19:21<adb>fix for now suspend / hibernate ..
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19:26<dal_>I haven't really looked into it just been living with it
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19:40<USB_PPC>dd isnt working
19:40<USB_PPC>dd for windows
19:40<USB_PPC>im trying to do this command: dd if=boot.img of=\\.\e:
19:40<USB_PPC>and it just says dd if=boot.img of =\\.\e:
19:41<leper>the fish command works on nautilus ond thunar??
19:41<leper>or not?
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20:00<USB_PPC>dd isnt working
20:00<USB_PPC>im trying to do this command: dd if=boot.img of=\\.\e:
20:00<USB_PPC>and it just says dd if=boot.img of =\\.\e:
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20:08<petemc>USB_PPC: theres a graphical dd for windows
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20:18<leper>what is better Xfce or Gnome, why?? anyone answer please
20:19<petemc>gnome is more fully featured, some people think thats good, some people think thats bad
20:19<dr|z3d>leper: I prefer Gnome; less bloat, just as pretty.
20:19<dr|z3d>Sorry, I prefer *Xfce*.
20:20<valdyn>leper: theres no huge difference
20:20<dr|z3d>Gnome doesn't offer much that Xfce doesn't.
20:20<dr|z3d>Gnome is heavier on the cpu, however, and the ram.
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20:22<petemc>you sound biased
20:22<dr|z3d>I am, I prefer Xfce. :)
20:23<dr|z3d>However, I don't think that bias prevents me from presenting the facts.
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20:23<dr|z3d>Gnome _is_ more cpu and ram hungry.
20:23<petemc>not for no reason
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20:23<valdyn>neither of both has significant cpu use for me
20:24<dr|z3d>Install both, try them.. you'll find Xfce *feels* faster.
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20:25<dr|z3d>Xfce's advantage is diminished the faster your hardware.
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20:25<leper>i like xfce dr|z3d
20:25<dr|z3d>(from a performance perspective, at least)
20:25<leper>but too many people say that gnome is better
20:26<dr|z3d>leper: Then you should stick with it.
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20:26<valdyn>leper: its more a matter of taste than anything else
20:26<dr|z3d>leper: Nah, it's not better at all. Different, as the Japanese would say. :)
20:26<leper>lol dr|z3d japanese
20:27<leper>dr|z3d, but how i make a join without install gdm
20:27<valdyn>leper: why dont you like gdm?
20:27<leper>do you understand what i said? 'cuz i don't how to say it in english
20:27<dr|z3d>leper: Sorry?
20:27<leper>valdyn, i don't like gnome that is my problem
20:27<dr|z3d>leper: you can use slim.. not that I understood your question.
20:27<valdyn>leper: thats silly in this case
20:28<valdyn>leper: gdm is just a login application
20:28<leper>well that was the answer xD!
20:28<valdyn>leper: it doesnt make your xfce any less xfce
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20:28<leper>but when you install gdm don't install gnome at all??
20:28<valdyn>leper: sure you can do that
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20:29<dr|z3d>leper: slim may well take a manual tweak of the conf.
20:29<dr|z3d>(to get it running satifactorily with Xfce).
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20:29<dr|z3d>Slim is also lighter weight than Gnome's alternative. :)
20:30<leper>it don't have autoconfigure dr|z3d ??
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20:30<dr|z3d>leper: No, it has a conf file. :)
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20:31<leper>a ok but it is difficult? dr|z3d
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20:31<dr|z3d>leper: Nah, pretty straighforward.
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20:32<leper>can anyone give me a recomendation of particion size? i have a 160 gb hard disk??
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20:32<dr|z3d>leper: If you're inclined to install different DE's just to play, I'd stick with GDM. If you're more likely to keep to a single DE, then Slim is fine once configured.
20:33<leper>i want to separate "/" from "home"
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20:33<Tuplad>I plugged in a memory card into Bus 001 Device 004: ID 058f:6362 Alcor Micro Corp. Hi-Speed 21-in-1 Flash Card Reader/Writer (Internal/External) but it doesn't mount o_O fdisk doesn't show it either. how can I mount the card ?
20:33<dr|z3d>That's a different issue entirely; there are plenty of good docs online that will help you move your home dir to a different partition.
20:34<leper>i just want one single DE
20:34<leper>nonon i will format
20:34<leper>and make the partition again
20:34<dr|z3d>Then Slim will be more than fine.
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20:35<dr|z3d>Ext4 is also worth considering, if you're creating a new partition.l
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20:35<xellink>hiya all
20:35<dr|z3d>Seems noticeably faster on slower hardware.
20:36<leper>mmmmm dr|z3d how can i make a ext4
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20:36<leper>?? one the cd of installation just appear ext3
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20:37<dr|z3d>leper: You'll need a newer release than the one you're using, probably.
20:37<xellink>burn ur own disc?
20:37<Tuplad>I plugged in a memory card into Bus 001 Device 004: ID 058f:6362 Alcor Micro Corp. Hi-Speed 21-in-1 Flash Card Reader/Writer (Internal/External) but it doesn't mount o_O fdisk doesn't show it either. how can I mount the card ?
20:37<xellink>leper: u're doing a fresh install right?
20:38<calam>Good evening, I have installed pc squeeze in my work, but in my house I have yet to debian, and download the. Iso on cd, if I have it fully installed as I update Internet
20:38<dr|z3d>Tuplad: Make sure you user is permitted to read external media.
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20:38<leper>i burn the dvd .... about 6 month ago
20:38<leper>now i'm downloading the amd64 dvd now
20:38<xellink>ext4 is pretty new, so u should use a newer version
20:38<Tuplad>dr|z3d: good idea!
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20:39<leper>yes i know that is new, fedora have it
20:39<xellink>i would imagine ext4 to be terribad buggy 6 months ago
20:39<Tuplad>dr|z3d: if I may ask, how do I get in that config menu ?
20:39<leper>but debian now got it?? dr|z3d
20:39<calam>Good evening, I have installed pc squeeze in my work, but in my house I have yet to debian, and download the. Iso on cd, if I have it fully installed as I update Internet
20:39<xellink>leper: debian supports ext4, at least sid does, i'm not too sure about other versions
20:39<dr|z3d>leper: Newer testing versions should do.
20:40<dr|z3d>Tuplad: Um, pass. You need to access your user configs.. however you achieve that in your DE.
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20:40<leper>where do i download the sid image
20:40<USB_PPC>help me with dd please
20:40<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
20:41<dr|z3d>!tell USB_PPC about ask
20:41<Tuplad>;( what's DE?
20:41<USB_PPC>i try to do dd if=boot.img of=\\.\e:
20:41<USB_PPC>and all it comes back with is dd if=boot.img of=\\.\e:
20:41<dr|z3d>Germany, or Desktop Environment.
20:42<USB_PPC>im using dd for windows but it should be the same right?
20:42<Tuplad>dr|z3d: oh!
20:43<dr|z3d>Tuplad: Gnome, Xfce and KDE are all DE's.
20:43<Tuplad>dr|z3d: yeah, that I know :)
20:44*dr|z3d smiles.
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20:44<Tuplad>dr|z3d: I tried doing it via users-admin, but still no effect ;(
20:45<dr|z3d>Tuplad: If you su to root, does you file manager show the devices?
20:45<Tuplad>dr|z3d: cant started the filemanager
20:45<xellink>leper: to get sid, u'll need to change your sources.list
20:45<dr|z3d>xellink: He wants an iso..
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20:46<leper>but i'm using squeeze now
20:46<xellink>leper: u can only get sid by upgrading from testing or stable
20:46<leper>aa ok xellink
20:47<leper>i thought that you can download it from a dvd xD!
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20:47<leper>anyone is using ext4 on debian?
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20:47<dr|z3d>Tuplad: aptitude install thunar pcmanfm
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20:48<xellink>leper: many people do use ext 4 and like it, but its new, and if you can wait, its better to do so
20:48<xellink>leper: but if u really want to do that install, use ext 3 first, then convert it to ext 4 after you have installed the minimum
20:48<dr|z3d>I'm using ext4 here. No issue, much faster fsck's, and seems slightly faster for read/writes.
20:49<Tuplad>dr|z3d: nope, doesn't show
20:49<dr|z3d>Converting from ext3 to 4 is a bad idea.
20:49<leper>!say famelix es
20:49<dpkg>famelix es
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20:49<xellink>leper: to summarise 1) install stable/testing 2) change your repo to sid, 3) update to sid, 4) boot externally and convert to ext4
20:50<leper>and if a convert i will lose all?
20:50<xellink>dr|z3d: if u don't convert, how do u do it?
20:50<dr|z3d>xellink: You create a new partition.
20:50<xellink>leper: u should lose much, but if you are afraid, u can make 2 partitions
20:50<Tuplad>xellink: backup your information on an exteral drive, format partition as ext4 and put your files on it
20:51<dr|z3d>Conversion doesn't give you the full benefits of 4.
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20:51<dr|z3d>Something about "extants" I recall.
20:51<dr|z3d>Or extents, whichever.
20:51<Tuplad>oh well, screw the memory card thing, I'm off to bed
20:51<Tuplad>thanks for your attention dr|z3d
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20:52<dr|z3d>Tuplad: Tomorrow maybe we can solve :/
20:52<Tuplad>haha sure
20:52<dr|z3d>Tuplad: In any event, try with root.
20:52<Tuplad>yeah, I always do :)
20:52<leper>i keep for now with ext3 lol
20:52<xellink>anyone did an update with sid recently?
20:52<Tuplad>I don't wanna be a bitch, but I'm drunk and getting impatient... linux always acts up.
20:52<Tuplad>so I'll just go sleep xD
20:53*Tuplad waves goodbye!
20:53<xellink>bb tuplad
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20:53<USB_PPC>stil lwaiting on dd
20:53<icebrain>xellink: me
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20:53<USB_PPC>man dd didnt work
20:54<xellink>Failed to execute child process "xdg-mount" <<-- anyone seen this problem when mounting drives?
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20:56<Guest744>good every body
20:56<Guest744>my alsa is not saving my configuration
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20:56<Guest744>for sample, I run alsaconf and my sound is perfect
20:57<Guest744>but after a reboot, I have to run alsaconf again
20:57<Guest744>what could it be?
20:57<icebrain>xellink: no, but I don't use Gnome
20:57<USB_PPC>i try to do dd if=boot.img of=\\.\e:
20:57<USB_PPC>and all it comes back with is dd if=boot.img of=\\.\e:
20:57<USB_PPC>man dd didnt work
20:58<xellink>guest 744: do u have pulse audio installed?
20:59<xellink>icebrain: sadly, i use gnome, and its trying to use xdg-mount which doesn't seem to exist
20:59<icebrain>xellink: xdg-mount is part of the gvfs package, which you should have installed if you use gnome, afaik
21:00<xellink>icebrain: which sucks, cuz on the last update, this crap happens
21:00<xellink>icebrain: it only works when i manually mount
21:00<aombk>hi. i have a debian installation and i really need to have a winxp one. how can i do this? i know there is no easy way. can anyone help or point me to the right direction?
21:00<dondelelcaro>USB_PPC: look at the web page for dd for windows, youll probably have to use the volume id.
21:01<xellink>aombk: dual boot? or virtual?
21:01<icebrain>xellink: strange, are you *sure* gvfs is installed, and /usr/bin/xdg-mount doesn't exist?
21:01<dondelelcaro>aombk: resize paritions, install windows, reinstall and configure grub.
21:01<Guest744>xellink, no i don't
21:01<dondelelcaro>aombk: or use a virtual xp, or don't use it at all
21:02<xellink>icebrain: there's xdg everything but mount LOL
21:02<aombk>dual. i tried virtual but i get low speeds
21:02<xellink>icebrain: i think its a bug with the recent update
21:02<USB_PPC>hmmm will this work?
21:03<aombk>iwouldnt use them, winxp, i really dont want to but those windows VSTs, are just a pain in wine
21:03<xellink>icebrain: they should put the 1.4.0-2 in the repos, so i can do a regression test
21:03<USB_PPC>dd if=\\.\e: of=C:\Documents and Settings\Parent\My Documents\dd-0.5\boot.img bs=1440k
21:03<USB_PPC>e is my removable usb drie
21:03<aombk>ok about that reinstalling and reconfiguring grub, can you suggest a tutorial/guide?
21:03<icebrain>xellink: I've installed gvfs and I don't have xdg-mount either, so it does seem to be a packaging bug
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21:04<xellink>guest744: permissions maybe --> some people like to put a script that runs every startup to fix their alsa
21:04<USB_PPC>let me try 1 other thing
21:04<xellink>guest744: thats the shortcut, the long way is to find the root of the problem
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21:05<Guest744>xellink, thanks i'll try
21:05<dondelelcaro>aombk: boot off of rescue media, chroot and run grub install. there probably is a howto somewhere oput there.
21:06<xellink>guest744: do u have the latest alsa-utils?
21:06<aombk>ok thank you people very much
21:06<Guest744>xellink, yes
21:06<xellink>icebrain: stupid packaging bug =( looks like i'll just have to manually mount
21:06<USB_PPC>dd if=\\.\e: of=C:\Documents and Settings\Parent\My Documents\dd-0.5\boot.img bs=1440k
21:06<USB_PPC>would that work?
21:07<xellink>guest744: what version are u using?
21:07<xellink>sid, lenny or squeeze?
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21:08<ronald>what is the path to the c++ libraries such as iostream ?
21:08<Guest744>xellink, debian 5.0.3 and alsa-utils 1.0.16-2
21:08<dondelelcaro>ronald: you should need the path, its /usr/lib...
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21:10<xellink>guest744 did u use alsactl store?
21:10<Guest744>xellink, alsactl?
21:10<Guest744>xellink, what is this?
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21:11<xellink>guest744: say u done ur changes, type alsactl store as root
21:11<xellink>guest744: this saves ur alsa changes
21:11<Guest744>xellink, i've just done it right now
21:12<Guest744>xellink, i'll try restart my machine to test alsa, thank you
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21:15<cerberus>Hey guys, I'm having trouble connecting my mobile phone (SE W910i) to my comp (Lenny). I can see the phone fine in kbluetooth, and likewise the phone can see the PC but when I try to connect my phone says connection failed. If i run hidd --connect as root it connects fine. Any clues as to how I can allow my phone to connect to the PC without using my root account?
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21:25<USB_PPC>im still having trouble with dd
21:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 362] by debhelper
21:27<icebrain>USB_PPC: we're all debian users, so we don't know much about windows version of dd...
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21:29<icebrain>you should go to the windows dd website and see if they have a mailing list or so
21:30<xellink>icebrain: i fixed the problem
21:30<icebrain>xellink: how?
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21:30<xellink>icebrain: some guy in # sidux said that the mirrors haven't been updated for
21:30<xellink>icebrain: so i downgraded successfully
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21:33<icebrain>xellink: oh, nice
21:33<icebrain>xellink: but maybe you should report the bug, no?
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21:33<xellink>icebrain: i have reported the bug and its workaround at
21:34<icebrain>xellink: ok, glad you could work it out
21:35<icebrain>xellink: btw, what's the advantage of sidux over sid?
21:35<xellink>icebrain: sidux is sid
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21:37<xellink>icebrain: oh, its different, hmm
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21:38<xellink>icebrain: they are v similar
21:39<xellink>icebrain: sidux is for newbies who want to use sid LOL
21:39<xellink>icebrain: sid is the real thing
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21:40<icebrain>xellink: that seems an oxymoron :D
21:40<xellink>icebrain: sidux is like a temporary measure, a different repo for sid when sid screws up
21:40<icebrain>xellink: oh, ok. seems nice
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22:02<guillaume>does anybody get alsa working with sid kernel 2.6.30-2 and module snd-hda-intel ? Mine have disepear so modprobe can't load it and build alsa from source fail too
22:04<aombk>hi, one more question, i have partition sda2 as / and sda3 as /home . can i merge them?
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22:04<cwood>aombk: not without destroying one or both, iirc.
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22:05<aombk>ok, the /boot partition must be at the beggining of the drive? can i move it?
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22:10<calam>as my nick valid for anyone to use????
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22:11<cwood>I don't recall. I thought it should be, but you could try moving it and see. At any rate, the boot loader has to be right at the start of the disk.
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22:13<calam>cwood ore Resources I me????
22:13<cwood>calam: I know nothing about your nick.
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22:15<enji>hi, there i'm new here. can i join
22:15<calam>ok Sorry!
22:15<cwood>Hello, enji.
22:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
22:16<MJD>aombk: your /boot partition has to be in a place that the bois can read it. On old systems that had a bios that couldn't read past 4G (i think, something like that), it had to be below that mark. With recent systems, you probably don't even need one, technically.
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22:17<calam>hello enjoi debian is for everyone
22:17<calam>enji debian is for everyone
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22:50<ZitZ>how can i determine what my default sound device is?
22:51<ZitZ>I'd like to use gconf settings if possible
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23:38<lfaraone>I have to add in custom kernel patches in order to boot Debian on my hardware. Is there a way to automate these patches so that I don't have to manually rebuild each time a new kernel security update comes out?
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23:42<leper>hello again
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23:47<leper>what happens if i install xfce and remove kde??
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23:47<adb>nothing ..
23:47<leper>i don't lose drivers? nothing?
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23:48<Guest754>hello. is their a doc anywhere describing which groups do what in regards to dbus?
23:48<leper>cool =)
23:48<Guest754>i have looked all over and i have only found confusion
23:48<leper>any messenger with cam support?
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23:59<cwood>leper: amsn
23:59<leper>let me check
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