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---Logopened Mon Oct 12 00:00:01 2009
00:01<overddose>i tried that, said some stuff about unable to lock the administration directory
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00:02<sney>hm if you don't have sudo you'll need to do it as root. you know how to become root, right?
00:03<overddose>that worked
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00:03<overddose>remind me to stop going through the root terminal
00:03<sney>now do apt-cache search wicd
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00:03<overddose>well. typed exactly. and it just blanked out lol
00:04<sney>it might think for a few seconds, the apt database is big
00:04<overddose>well, it started a new line.
00:05<sney>how old was the disc you installed from
00:05<overddose>5.0.3 i386
00:05<sney>new. ok.
00:05<sney>still thinking?
00:05<sney>ctrl+c it
00:05<sney>and just try apt-get install wicd
00:06<gsimmons>That's because wicd isn't in lenny.
00:06<gsimmons>dpkg: wicd
00:06<dpkg>well, wicd is Wireless Interface Connection Daemon, a wired and <wireless connection manager>. A backported package is available for Lenny, ask me about <>. #wicd on
00:06<sney>it's not? oh, weird
00:06<sney>my bad
00:07<overddose>off topic question, but what are the rest of those disks for.
00:07<sney>just lots and lots of packages
00:07<overddose>like, 5 dvd's and i end up only using one.
00:07<sney>the discs are basically deprecated because you can pull everything down over the net
00:07<sney>they made more sense in the days before everyone had broadband
00:08<overddose>so what do i do :/
00:09<overddose>dpkg: iwconfig
00:09<dpkg>The 'wireless-tools' package provides utilities for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions, including iwconfig and iwlist. It also provides wireless-* ifupdown hooks to /etc/network/interfaces, read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for more information. To connect to networks which use WPA encryption, ask me about <wpa>.
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00:12<overddose>dpkg: wpa
00:12<dpkg>wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian Installer does not support WPA at this time.
00:12<overddose>dpkg: squeeze
00:12<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. Expected to be released in early 2010, see
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00:13<sney>overddose: you can /msg dpkg stuff as well
00:13<sney>updating to squeeze is one option, since it does have wicd, but is less stable than lenny and not usually recommended for new users (though I personally think it's okay 95% of the time)
00:13<sney>the debian wiki pages on wifi connections may have some useful information as well.
00:14<overddose>where can i find squeeze?
00:15<sney>you can upgrade your current install to squeeze by using apt.
00:15<overddose>apt-get install squeeze im guessing?
00:15<sney>nope, it's a little more involved than that
00:16<sney>you just have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list a little
00:16<overddose>is there a guide somewhere?
00:17<sney>dpkg can give you the basic rundown, and I'm not going anywhere so I'll help you fill in the gaps
00:17<dpkg>sney: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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00:17<sney>!tell overddose about lenny->squeeze
00:20<overddose>so wait
00:21<overddose>how do i install this.
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00:27<violet523>how can you verify that you are using open gl?
00:28<overddose>sney, so when i open the sources.list file, i just change everything "lenny" to squeeze?
00:28<sney>yes except any that say volatile
00:28<overddose>so if the line says volatile anywhere in it, i dont touch it
00:28<sney>violet523: you mean hardware acceleration? glxinfo |grep direct
00:29<sney>overddose: correct
00:29<violet523>sney, if glxinfo isn't found what package would it be found in?
00:30<violet523>thank you
00:30<overddose>sney, is this correct?
00:31<sney>nope, but that seems to be the installer's fault, one sec
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00:33<violet523>do the nvidia drivers have special opengl packages for lenny?
00:34<sney>!tell violet523 about nvidia
00:34<violet523>thank you
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00:36<sney>overddose: uncomment (remove #) in the 2 security lines,
00:36<sney>then add: deb squeeze main contrib non-free
00:36<overddose>errrrrr, wat
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00:38<sney>overddose: 2 separate things. remove the hash marks in front of the 2 lines, and then add what I gave you as a separate line
00:39<overddose>so just remove the # in front of the two security lines, and add that new line?
00:42<overddose>what is the hotkey for copy in linux :P
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00:42<overddose>i broke my c key awesome
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00:46<overddose>sney, correct now -_-
00:46<sney>well you have to change the security lennys to squeeze
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00:46<sney>but other than that yes
00:47<overddose>what about the deb cdrom ones?
00:47<sney>ignore them, they're already out of date
00:47<sney>you can delete them if you want, it doesn't make a difference
00:47<sney>as long as they have the # in front it doesn't matter
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00:47<overddose>save it?
00:48<overddose>now it says
00:48<overddose>i dont have the privs to save it
00:48<sney>save it somewhere else, then cp it back as root
00:48<administrator>how to download videos from internet on ubuntu 9
00:49<sney>administrator: same way you do it in windows
00:49<sney>we don't support ubuntu here
00:49<administrator>should i install real player
00:50<sney>whatever floats your boat
00:50<sney>I use VLC
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00:50<overddose>how exactly should i put this file in there
00:51<sney>cp sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list
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00:51<sney>as root
00:51<sney>or whatever you saved it as
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00:51<sney>and for future reference, remember you need to be root to edit any important system config files
00:52<overddose>so i navigate to my desktop since i saved it there
00:52<overddose>then cp sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list
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00:53<overddose>now what
00:53<administrator>should i install real player to download videos from internet on ubuntu 9
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00:53<overddose>administrator. this =/= ubuntu irc.
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00:54<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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00:54<sney>overddose: now, just to make sure of something, do apt-key update
00:54<overddose>what should i see.
00:55<overddose>dpkg: etch
00:55<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support will continue until about February 2010; now is the time to start planning your upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Also ask me about <oldstable>, <oldstable security>, <install etch>, <etch release notes>. Currently <4.0r8>.
00:55<administrator>what is ubuntu irc
00:55<sney>administrator: /server -j #ubuntu
00:55<overddose>^ what he said.
00:56<overddose>anyway. sney, should i see unchanged: 6
00:56<overddose>apt-get install Squeeze?
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00:56<sney>get your root terminal open
00:56<overddose>sudo aptitude update*
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00:57<sney>aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade
00:57<overddose>if i am root
00:57<overddose>do i have to include sudo
00:57<overddose>or is that optional
00:57<sney>if you are root, no sudo is necessary
00:58<overddose>so what you said up there^ is that all one string of commands, or seperated by lines
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00:58<sney>the &&s let you do it all on one line, but you can do them one at a time if you want
00:59<overddose>well, you said " && aptitude install aptitude"
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00:59<overddose>install aptitude? wat?
00:59<sney>I know it doesn't make sense, just roll with it
01:00<overddose>it got a 404 not found on some of the stuff, is that ok?
01:00<sney>when you did aptitude update?
01:01<overddose>when i did that whole line you stated earlier
01:01<overddose>it says 1488 updates, 22475 new
01:01<sney>yeah, you just changed from lenny to squeeze, there are a lot of updates when you do that
01:02<overddose>wait, did i just do an on the fly kernel modification?
01:02<administrator>what is the video download player on ububtu
01:02<sney>administrator: go away, this is not the ubuntu channel
01:03<overddose>so now wat?
01:03<sney>overddose: not quite, squeeze does replace the kernel but it'll require a reboot
01:03<overddose>reboot, then apt-get install wicd?
01:03<sney>where did the 404s happen?
01:03<sney>I just don't want to send you off to reboot a broken system or anything :P
01:03<overddose>squeeze/updates/main packages 404 Not Found
01:04<overddose>and in updates/contrib
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01:04<sney>just from updates? ok, that's security stuff, everything else should work. did it finish the full-upgrade already? I'm surprised it's not still downloading
01:05<sney>I'm on 15mbit and a big upgrade takes me 15 minutes at least
01:05<overddose>Fetched 6419kB in 18s (342kB/s)
01:06<sney>do aptitude full-upgrade again
01:06<overddose>now im prompted with a Y or N
01:06<sney>does it have a big honking list of stuff?
01:06<sney>ok, that's what we're looking for.
01:06<sney>you want a Y here.
01:07<sney>and I'm going to reboot, brb.
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01:09<overddose>thats what it missed
01:09<overddose>now its like
01:09<overddose>13 minutes
01:09<sney>sounds better
01:10<overddose>what do you think i should do after this?
01:10<overddose>when this is done
01:10<overddose>then install wicd
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01:10<sney>it'll ask you some questions when it's updating, most of them you can safely accept the default
01:10<overddose>is there anyway i can contact you on something other than irc?
01:10<sney>I'm here all the time and there are plenty of other people around who have done the same thing
01:11<sney>since you followed the official debian method of upgrading to squeeze, all the other epic nerds that hang out in here should be able to help you just as well as I have
01:11<sney>(if not better)
01:11<overddose>im in the process of learning linux.
01:12<overddose>so far it beats the shit out of anything microsuck has been able to throw out.
01:12<overddose>and people manage to do this without a major monetary backing.
01:12<sney>I don't mind windows really to be honest, but I do enjoy tinkering more with linux
01:12<sney>it's the power of the enlightened masses
01:12<overddose>^ truth
01:12<cheal>!tell overddose about enter
01:12<sney>oh hi chealer how's it going, how are your cats tonight
01:12<overddose>fair enough cheal...
01:13<overddose>someone earlier (when dealing with my problem) told me i should edit my devices list.
01:14<overddose>didnt really tell me what to do with it. i found it. and the only thing listed was the lo. so i was confused and lost. still am. but it feels like im on the right track now
01:15<sney>I have to step away for a little while. I'll be back. maybe chealer can help you in the meantime. it's a pretty straightforward linux crazy wireless nonsense problem, nothing we don't deal with in here every day of the week
01:15<sney>Realtek 8187B, right?
01:15<overddose>its not a usb device though :P
01:15<sney>USB should have a plug, in my opinion. Oh well.
01:16<overddose>8187L possibly. and apparently they are both supported
01:16<sney>It actually is. a bunch of laptop companies (e.g. Toshiba) decided that since it was so tiny, they could put it on a pcb and plug it into the motherboard. it also makes the hotplug on/off thing easier.
01:16<overddose>hmm. so its the same? cool :D
01:16<overddose>so i know that it IS supported. but my issue is getting it to just work.
01:17<sney>ok, well good luck figuring it out, and if you're still lost by the time I get back I'll jump back in
01:17<overddose>seeing as its about midnight where i am, im probably going to go to sleep.
01:17<overddose>then school, and i will be back in like 10 hours.
01:18<overddose>night sney, thanks for the help and information.
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01:22<GoNzA>anybody there?
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01:48<lucifel>so i followed "" everything went according to the entry, yet when kdm goes to load its left ona black screen. /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows no EE entries
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01:52<jm_>lucifel: paste it on a pastebin
01:54<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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01:55<jm_>I wonder what I said
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02:03<glansh>can u open this anyone?
02:05<Torsten_W>i can't
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02:13<ottoshmidt>made apt-get autoremove action and it removed half of my stuff... now try to bring them back
02:13<ottoshmidt>can you tell me the name of System>Preferences>Software Sources package name?
02:13<jm_>tell you what?
02:14<ottoshmidt>is it software-properties-gtk?
02:15<ottoshmidt>yes that was what I needed
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02:28<Bergerac-Fleur>hi, is there a way to know when was the last dist-upgrade or at least last update... using apt btw
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02:30<jm_>Bergerac-Fleur: yes
02:30<Bergerac-Fleur>how? :)
02:30<jm_>/var/log/aptitude if you're using aptitude, otherwise you can check dpkg.log
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02:31<Bergerac-Fleur>jm_: thanks! :)
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02:36<jm_>Bergerac-Fleur: no worries
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04:59<tuxcrafter>hi all
05:00<tuxcrafter>i got this message and i am trying to understeand what KMS en UMS stands for : with KMS enabled works for me. And with KMS disabled I see the problem you meet.
05:00<tuxcrafter>As UMS has been removed after 2.9.0, I'd suggest you to use KMS.As UMS has been removed after 2.9.0, I'd suggest you to use KMS.
05:00<tuxcrafter>its releated to xorg and intel issues on debian sid
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05:03<tuxcrafter>hmm lately i also have to do sudo chgrp fuse /dev/fuse on some boots
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05:03<tuxcrafter>the permissions are root:root instead of root:fyse
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05:05<jm_>tuxcrafter: user mode switching vs kernel mode switching
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05:13<tuxcrafter>jm_: any idea how i can use kernel mode switching in debian?
05:14<tuxcrafter>i asume this is something done by the kernel?
05:14<peej>dev fuse groups perms are set by kernel?
05:14<jm_>tuxcrafter: which kernel version are you using?
05:15<tuxcrafter>Linux version 2.6.30-2-686 (Debian 2.6.30-8) ( (gcc version 4.3.4 (Debian 4.3.4-3) ) #1 SMP Sat Sep 26 01:16:22 UTC 2009
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05:17<jm_>just load the module
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05:19<jm_>modprobe i915.modeset=1
05:19<jm_>ahh no just modeset=1
05:19<jm_>i915.modeset is if it's builtin
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05:21<EmleyMoor>Anyone seen any 32GB microSDHC cards yet?
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05:23<coolset>hi hi, anybody know how to compile program which require gtk2.10 in etch??
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05:25<jm_>etch has gtk 2.0 ....
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05:28<coolset>jm_: yes thats the problem, is there any way to make the program which i'm compiling to use non-default gtk library?
05:28<jm_>coolset: why exactly is that a problem?
05:29<jm_>be back in 15
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05:29<coolset>jm_: it required gtk 2.10 not 2.00
05:32<tuxcrafter>jm_: as a kernel option?
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05:33<tuxcrafter>or sudo modprobe i915 modeset=1
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05:46<jm_>tuxcrafter: module option yes, use sudo
05:46<jm_>coolset: did you check backports?
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05:51<kong>how do i install the standard packages if i deselected them during install
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05:51<dr|z3d>kong: probably debian-standard
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05:52<kong>no such metapackage
05:53<dr|z3d>apt-cache search -standard
05:53<dr|z3d>Try that, see what comes up.
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05:55<jm_>kong: you can use aptitude's advanced package selection criteria
05:56<jm_>IIRC anyway
05:56<kong>i like aptitude ;)
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05:58<dr|z3d>IIRC aptitude is not apt-cache.
05:58<dr|z3d>They're complimentary tools..
05:58<peej_>kong: you could install dselect and select the standard packages. Though deselect is horrible to use for normal people.
05:59<Gold24>dselect is horrible to use period :)
05:59<kong>shouldn't there be som dpkg-reconfigure something that would be appropriate here
05:59<peej_>does aptitude advanced package selection criteria have stuff like "desktop" "server" etc selections?
06:00<peej_>kong: that's for individual deb packages.
06:00<peej_>the installation isn't a deb package
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06:01<kong>thanx guys.. i'll bbl later.. lunchbrake now
06:01<peej_>kong wait
06:01<peej_>aptitude has tasks.
06:01<peej_>use that
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06:02<peej_>tasks allow you to select predefined groups of packages. Sounds like what you need.
06:02<jm_>peej_: you mean tasks? yes
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06:02<kong>but there is now standard there... meaning no metapackage for it..
06:02<kong>benn there
06:02<kong>found nothin
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06:04<Bergerac-Fleur>i remember people here and the debootstrap howto saying 'tasksel standard'
06:05<peej_>well, what do you mean by metapackage? What exactly do you want to do?
06:05*peej_ thinks the hierarchy and granularity of tasks is nicely balanced in aptitude
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06:15<peej_>with nfs, if a remote user shuts down uncleanly (power off), and the nfsserver has intr specified (allowing user interupts), does that count as an interupt?
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06:17<sigp239>I am launching xorg by a file /etc/rc2.d/S99startx with the contents "startx &". Is this the proper way?
06:18<jm_>sigp239: no
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06:20<sigp239>jm_: I do not want to use a display manager. I want xorg to launch automatically as root when the computer boots up. What is the proper way, then, to accomplish this?
06:21<dr|z3d>login as root from gdm.
06:21<jm_>sigp239: I was gonna say *dm :))
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06:21<jm_>sigp239: why as root?
06:21<dr|z3d>That's the _proper_ way.
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06:21<sigp239>jm_: I have my reasons. This is a special purpose live CD.
06:21<dr|z3d>Automating logging in as root without interaction is _not_ the proper way. Ill advised.
06:21<jm_>sigp239: display managers also support auto-login
06:22<sigp239>dr|z3d, The way that I originally stated is correct then?
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06:22<jm_>sigp239: then you can simply use startx or start X directly
06:23<dr|z3d>sigp239: startx is fine enough, but as jm's saying, you can use gdm to autologin to an account, and set the timeout period for autologin.
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06:23<sigp239>Second question. How is it that when startx runs, it knows to launch openbox?
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06:23<dr|z3d>On a live cd, automatically logging in as root ain't so bad, I guess.
06:24<dr|z3d>sigp239: gdm remembers your session choice.
06:24<sigp239>dr|z3d, There is no gdm
06:24<dr|z3d>No greeter?
06:24<sigp239>dr|z3d, No greeter.
06:24<jm_>sigp239: x-session-manager x-window-manager x-terminal-emulator determine what's started
06:24<jm_>in that order
06:25<dr|z3d>Then save yourself hassle and install gdm. You can uninstall it when you've got your environment configured.
06:25<dr|z3d>That said, I'd personally use gdm to do the autologin as well. That too, is less hassle than what you're proposing.
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06:26<dr|z3d>If you're running X, no harm in running gdm, right?
06:26<sigp239>Not my preference
06:26<dr|z3d>If you want something even more lightweight, try slim.
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06:27<dr|z3d>Well, you asked about the "proper" way. There you go. You have the info you need. :)
06:27<sigp239>dr|z3d, I thank you. It's working like I want it.
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06:28<sigp239>Next question. In my /var/log/Xorg.0.log I get an error: [config/hal] couldn't initialise context: (null) ((null))
06:28<sigp239>What does this mean?
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06:31<Bergerac-Fleur>sigp239, about openbox autostarting, startx reads ~/.xinitrc, *dm reads ~/.xsession
06:32<sigp239>Bergerac-Fleur, Got that, thank you. I have /etc/X11/Xsession with the following "fbpanel & exec openbox". Is that the proper way?
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06:32<jm_>sigp239: newer versions of X require HAL for input hotplug, you can disable it
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06:33<sigp239>jm_: I suppose hal is not installed currently? How does one use apt-get or dkpg to see if a particular package is installed?
06:34<Bergerac-Fleur>dpkg -l
06:34<dpkg>Bergerac-Fleur: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
06:34<Bergerac-Fleur>sigp239, dpkg -l package
06:34<Bergerac-Fleur>un means uninstalled, ii means installed
06:34<Bergerac-Fleur>*un = not installed
06:35<sigp239>Bergerac-Fleur, Thanks, it is not installed.
06:35<sigp239>Bergerac-Fleur, And also, do you know the answer to my above question? /etc/X11/Xsession with contents "fbpanel & exec openbox". Is that the proper way?
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06:36<Bergerac-Fleur>yeah I think so, but nothing's really "wrong" in an xsession
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07:01<dbldtx>I have ipv6 enabled on my Debian Squeeze Blackbox system - I just learned how it's almost useless for my purposes and I should be using ipv4 standard - I recently edited some config files for speed optimization...
07:02<dbldtx>the inserted/appended lines included ipv4 stuff, should I downgrade to ipv4 or what? I'm especially concerned about this next speed tweak suggesting that I disable ipv6 alltogether in iceweasel.
07:04<kong>hiya all again.. lunchbreak over..
07:04<kong>Bergerac-Fleur: that did it
07:04<kong>tasksel was the key
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07:05<jm_>dbldtx: you have both available
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07:05<dbldtx>jm_ but until I configure or use ipv6, my system treats them as apples and oranges and uses it's ipv4 capabilities when it needs to talk to ipv4 networks?
07:06<kong>hey jm_ i got it working.. tasksel install standard
07:06<kong>as root
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07:06<dbldtx>I do not need ipv6 but I installed it because I like to stay on the edge of technology BUT it looks like staying up on the edge of reading/knowledge is more important. Thank you jm_ I will continue my work confidently.
07:07<jm_>kong: right, I misunderstood your request then
07:07<jm_>dbldtx: something like that
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07:08<Pony>where do i find a guide for installing CLAM AV from voilatile on stable and keeping it automatically updated using apt-get update/upgrade?
07:08<kong>later dudes..
07:08<dpkg>volatile is, like, a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>.
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07:09<Pony>jm_: i want to specify which packages debian should install from volatile and not just everything in volatile
07:11<jm_>Pony: then you should read about pinning
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07:12<Pony>jm_: thank you
07:13<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
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07:21<sigp239>What package do the svg icons for gnome come from?
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07:28<Wilthril>hi all
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07:29<Wilthril>just wondering, is a nfs server (user mode... can't use kernel.....) really worth it if i already have a samba server on a nas?
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07:30<jm_>Wilthril: are you the feller with ARM NAS?
07:30<Wilthril>jm_: yes i am
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07:30<jm_>Wilthril: how did you fix it?
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07:31<Wilthril>jm_: i took another debian release made for it
07:31<jm_>Wilthril: your NFS question - depends if you really need NFS or not
07:31<Wilthril>jm_: and i cross flashed my router (i mean i have a EUR router, and i put an NA firmware since the NA is much newer)
07:32<Wilthril>jm_: not really it's only from a performance matter, i mean from my computer to the nas i can use nfs since they both are unix OS
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07:32<jm_>Wilthril: is it 100Mbps NAS?
07:33<Wilthril>nope 1000mbps
07:33<jm_>then NFS might be faster in some cases, probably just test it and see
07:33<Wilthril>and with the newer debian mii-tool works (\o/) and it really says negotiated 1000baseT-FD
07:34<Wilthril>ok but it's the user one, and i've seen on some forums that it's not that great
07:34<jm_>does it also have FTP?
07:34<Wilthril>basically i can install almost anything that is available for debian arm... so yes vsftpd works fine also :)
07:35<jm_>ahh doh, I keep forgetting it's running Debian
07:35<Wilthril>that's why i've spent like 3 days to make it work... well it was totally worth it :D
07:36<Wilthril>i'm just mad at d-link (the brand of both the nas and the router), i mean they should release updated firmwares for everyone -_-
07:37<jm_>if nothing else I'd use NFS with autofs, much easier to configure that for samba
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07:38<Wilthril>well a very weird thing is xbmx (an awesome media center for xbox) based on mplayer that can run on linux now doesn't support nfs
07:38<Wilthril>but samba works so far, so the good thing is being able to use both i guess
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07:42<Wilthril>jm_: ok let's do it... but so far i have an access denied error
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07:44<jm_>Wilthril: for nfs?
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07:44<Wilthril>yes but my /etc/exports file seems ok
07:45<peej_>kong: Hmm. It does pretty much the same as aptitude tasks from what I see. Hence the keyword "tasks" I guess.
07:45<Ikarus>silly one, is portmap running on both sides ?
07:45<Ikarus>that is how I often get NFS errors :)
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07:45<Wilthril>Ikarus: yes it is (on both)
07:46<jm_>Wilthril: mounting it as root?
07:47<jm_>Wilthril: also check logs
07:47<Wilthril>yes mounting as root
07:47<jm_>rootsquash is enabled by default ...
07:47<Wilthril>in the logs (in the server) i have "Unauthorized access by NFS client"
07:48<Wilthril>the ip is the one from my computer
07:48<jm_>probably means tcp wrappers denying it
07:48<jm_>it should also mention daemon name
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07:48<Wilthril>nope before i have "NFS mount of /mnt/data attempted from"
07:49<jm_>please don't tell me this is the entire line in your logfile
07:49<Wilthril>no no sorry the entire line is Oct 12 11:47:03 DNS-313 mountd[1716]: Unauthorized access by NFS client
07:49<Wilthril>i use mount to... mount the share
07:50<jm_>right edit hosts.allow for mountd
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07:51<Wilthril>jm_: sorry i don't know this file... what should i put into it?
07:51<jm_>Wilthril: or maybe hosts.deny and check PARANOID entry and read what it means (man hosts_access_
07:51<jm_>last _ = )
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07:51<Wilthril>paranoid is commented
07:52<Wilthril>hosts.allow and hosts.deny both don't have anything (only comments)
07:52<jm_>I do remember some cases where it required that it explicitely be added to hosts.allow
07:53<Wilthril>ok hum silly question how do i reload this file?
07:54<jm_>just try connecting again
07:54<Wilthril>nope still the same
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07:56<jm_>maybe you added wrong entry then
07:57<Wilthril>ok maybe it's a stupid mistake... but the script did work with my "ancient" nas+router... i'll paste everything into pastebin
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08:07<Wilthril>woops forgot /etc/exports
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08:13<Wilthril>found it \o/
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08:18<Wilthril>weird weird...
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08:19<Wilthril>ok i found the origin of the problem: the syntax in /etc/exports but i can't figure the right way...
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08:20<Wilthril>i want to allow from to and i have this "/mnt/data,sync)" and it's not working...
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08:21<Jabka>How can i profile the boot proccess (kernel + initrd + kde login)
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08:21<Wilthril>Jabka: bootchart?
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08:22*Jabka maning about bootchart
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08:23<jm_>Wilthril: you need to specify it in address/netmask form, not bits, so
08:24<Jabka>Wilthril , whill bootchart profile the kernel too ?
08:24<Jabka>i noticed a real delay around the initrd load
08:25<jm_>initrd is loaded by bootloader
08:25<dr|z3d>Jabka: Have a look at timechart. You may have to compile yourself; not sure it's in the repos yet.
08:25<Wilthril>Jabka: well that's the only tool about boot profiling i know of (and it's available as a .deb package :D)
08:25<Jabka>wilthrill , this is more than i know :-)
08:26<Wilthril>jm_: works perfectly thanks a lot
08:26<dr|z3d>Wilthril: Same to you.. google for timechart.. interesting tool..
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08:27<Wilthril>ahaha glad i'm of some help
08:27<Wilthril>jm_ thanks again it works like a charm, and perf is not that bad
08:27<jm_>Wilthril: how fast is it?
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08:30<Wilthril>jm_: like 20MB/s but my computer is the bottleneck
08:32<Wilthril>damn it there is not supercopier for linux... yet
08:32<peej_>jm_, the man page says address/netmask and /bits form are both possible. Is that a bug?
08:33<jm_>Wilthril: interesting, I would assume NAS to be :)
08:33<Wilthril>jm_: well it's not the first and the last bug i've encountered to be honest...
08:33<jm_>peej_: ahh you're right, I have missed it in the man page, but I wonder why it doesn't work then
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08:35<Wilthril>beats me
08:36<Wilthril>i may sell my nas on ebay as "the most confusing debian ever" :p
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08:38<Wilthril>ok last question: is there a way to have the transfer rates with the cp command? (no cp -v doesn't do it...)
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08:39<jm_>Wilthril: no, other tools do this
08:39<Wilthril>jm_: do you have a name in mind?
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08:39<Wilthril>i tried ultracopier once but it crashed...
08:40<jm_>Wilthril: well dd, rsync ...
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08:40<jm_>mc can also show it
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08:48<Wilthril>hi again
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08:48<Wilthril>mc did crash my computer, it was beautiful (lots of fast error messages and colors)
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08:49<jm_>that's impressive if mc crashes your box ;)
08:49<Wilthril>jm_: thanks to you i learnt lots of things today :)
08:49<Wilthril>jm_: not my box my computer :D
08:49<jm_>Wilthril: that's what I meant with your box
08:50<Wilthril>you should have seen it... i'll keep the software only for this :)
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08:52<jm_>are you using it on a tty?
08:53<Wilthril>no using the terminal from kde
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08:59<Wilthril>it's ok i use dd to get transfer rates :)
09:00<Wilthril>nfs IS better than samba :D
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09:14<sigp239>What is the executable for the "System -> Shut Down" icon?
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09:15<valdyn>sigp239: why would a executable be behind it?
09:15<valdyn>sigp239: why would an executable be behind it?
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09:16<UNera>Have anybody build openvz 2.6.27?
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09:17<sigp239>valdyn, I want to run this from the command line
09:17<valdyn>sigp239: including that dialogue?
09:18<sigp239>valdyn, yes
09:18<UNera>I need in ppp features, but have a little experience to build kernel packages
09:19<sigp239>valdyn, file:///usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/actions/system-shutdown.svg
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09:20<valdyn>sigp239: why are you showing me that image?
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09:20<Zathraz>Hi. Using Lenny Apach2 mod_perl2: most of my perl scripts, although recognized as a perl script do not get executed, but are offered as a download when I point a webbrowser at them. Nothing in logs :-( Any suggestions?
09:21<Zathraz>(Fresh Lenny install)
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09:21<sigp239>valdyn, This is the button that executes the Shut Down dialog. I want to run it from an executable at the terminal, instead. Do you know how to do that?
09:21<valdyn>sigp239: no, id have to look
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09:29<sigp239>I tried gnome-panel-logout --shutdown and it works but I get errors in the console: Could not connect to power manager: Could not get owner of name 'org.freedesktop.PowerManagement': no such name
09:29<valdyn>sigp239: that dialogue is hardcoded
09:30<valdyn>sigp239: you tried to run that command as root?
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09:30<sigp239>valdyn, yes as root. Apparently I was missing gnome-power-manager
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09:31<valdyn>sigp239: appearantly you cant just run that command as root
09:31<valdyn>sigp239: which is expected
09:31<valdyn>sigp239: your panel doesnt run as root either btw
09:31<sigp239>valdyn, I'm not running gnome-session or the gnome panel
09:31<valdyn>sigp239: thats not relevant
09:32<sigp239>and when I run gnome-panel-logout --shutdown it just gives me one button called "Cancel". Usually there are at least 2 more, "Shut Down" and "Reboot".
09:32<sigp239>"Restart" not "Reboot"
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09:32<valdyn>sigp239: i told you, that dialogue is hardcoded
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09:35<valdyn>sigp239: uh
09:35<valdyn>sigp239: ok, i got it
09:35<sigp239>valdyn, I figured it out. I have to manually execute gnome-power-manager first, then all the other buttons appear
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09:36<valdyn>sigp239: right
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09:36<valdyn>sigp239: and youre doing all this as root?
09:37<valdyn>sigp239: why?
09:37<sigp239>This is for a special purpose live CD
09:38<valdyn>no purpose can be special enough to run everythingt as root
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09:39<sigp239>Now I get "Suspend", "Hibernate", and "Cancel".
09:39<sigp239>Still no "Restart" and "Shutdown"
09:40<valdyn>as far as i recall the permission to shutdown or restart is handed down from gdm
09:40<sigp239>if I install gdm, will it automatically run on bootup?
09:41<valdyn>and even though you run as root the system might respect that
09:41<valdyn>sigp239: by default yes
09:42<valdyn>sigp239: point being that this circus tries to support changing options depending on someone else being logged in into gdm
09:42<sigp239>valdyn, I don't mind having gdm installed for the purpose of giving me the "Shut Down" and "Restart" buttons when I call gnome-panel-logout --shutdown. But I do not want to log into the computer with gdm.
09:42<valdyn>sigp239: obviously gdm does nothing when its not running
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09:43<sigp239>Can gdm run, without appearing on computer startup and managing the log in?
09:43<valdyn>sigp239: thats a really fucked up idea
09:44<valdyn>sigp239: just let gdm handle your logging in
09:44<valdyn>sigp239: theres autologin....
09:45<peej_>how do I type an e acute etc? I've got LANG=en_US.UTF-8, and I've tried alt+shift+\ , but that just gives me an upside down question mark.
09:45<sigp239>I'd rather just use zenity or something to build my own dialog
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09:45<valdyn>peej_: type acute directly followed by e
09:45<themill>peej_: /msg dpkg compose ; after setting up a compose key, it would be compose ' e
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09:46<valdyn>peej_: that only works with dead key enabled, or not using eliminate-dead-keys
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09:51<peej_>valdyn, by "type acute directly" are you implying an acute sign on the keyboard should already exist?
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09:52*peej_ has a ~, and a ^, forward tick ' and backtick `, but no acute symbol on the keyboard (laptop)
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09:53<themill>peej_: mapping a compose key is the easiest approach. I've remapped my capslock to compose, but you could use right ctrl or right alt etc if you want
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09:54<valdyn>themill: yea
09:55*peej_ has disabled the capslock 'cos it just gets in the way of everything :). I do have a useless windows key spare - I'll use that.
09:55<valdyn>peej_: doesnt matter what that sign is meant to be, its an acute in the right context, like with compose key or with dead keys
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09:56<themill>that's precisely why I used capslock for that.... may as well have some use for a key in such a prominent position
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09:56<valdyn>peej_: it looks like an acute on german keyboards, i think it looks different on american keyboards
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09:58<valdyn>peej_: also because americans use single `quote´ i guess, german just has "double quote" and the elipsis '
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10:01<valdyn>peej_: your forward tick is leaning forward?
10:01<peej_>valdyn, so I need a compose key first before I get "acute in the right context" working?
10:01<valdyn>peej_: or dead keys
10:01<peej_>my forward tick is perpendicular
10:01<themill>"setxkbmap -option compose:caps" then Caps ' e. Done.
10:02<valdyn>peej_: gnome et. al. have a GUI to set these options too
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10:02<sigp239>I've been trying to get zenity working. I want zenity to run and show 3 buttons, and define the actions for clicking those three buttons. How do I do that?
10:02<valdyn>sigp239: read the docs
10:02<sigp239>valdyn, I read the docs and the man page, but it does not tell you where you can define the actions that correspond to the dialog buttons.
10:02<valdyn>sigp239: thats shell programming
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10:04<valdyn>sigp239: zenity uses return codes and stdout, thats in the docs
10:04<valdyn>sigp239: which can evaluated using test(1) or grep(1)
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10:06<peej_>thanks, compose:caps worked nicely
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10:08<themill>peej_: excellent. Once you get used to having that there, you start finding excuses for using it just for the sake of it, such as pointing the naïve user to §6.3 of a document.... :)
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10:23<violet523>i installed the non free nvidia drivers using the method found in the debian wiki and although x doesn't give any errors it will not go past a blank screen when using the nvidia module. any opengl or x gurus out there? using lenny
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10:24<dr|z3d>violet523: Can you pastebin your xorg.conf
10:24<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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10:25<dr|z3d>violet523: Can you also tell us a little it about what version of Debian you're using, and what graphics hardware you have..
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10:26<violet523>it's nvidia gforce fx5200 stable debian off of the latest netinstall. any other questions? working on pasting to
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10:30<violet523>i'm going to paste up that doesn't make x work as opposed to the one i'm using which does make x work but is not opengl enabled
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10:35<violet523>did that help at all?
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10:40<dr|z3d>I'm not an xorg nor nvidia guru, but hang around, someone else may be able to offer some assistance, violet523
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10:41<violet523>[18~will do, thanks
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10:48<Titan8990>violet523, need to see your Xorg.0.log
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10:52<violet523>okay one second
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10:56<Titan8990>its using the nv driver... not sure why
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10:58<violet523>because otherwise i wouldn't be able to speak to you, just changed the nvidia module to nv
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10:59<Titan8990>oh... well that doesn't help me diagnose the problem....
10:59<Titan8990>change it back, startx, then use pastebinit to pastebin from the command line
11:00<Titan8990>the come back and pastebin the log of failed nvidia
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11:00<violet523>would the xorg.0.log.old have that information?
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11:00<Titan8990>violet523, possibly but I am not going to trust it
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11:05<Paggas>Hey everyone, I have a question. Is there a way to set up a cron job so that it runs every so much time, but taking into account the computer's uptime? That is, the "conceptual clock" that fires the job periodically should only run when the system is up. With normal cron I can only set up specific points in time when to run a job :/ Thanks for any help!
11:05<cahoot>atd ?
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11:08<Paggas>azeem: According to anacrontab(5) I can only set a period in days :|
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11:14<Paggas>So I would like to set up a cron job to run, say, every time the uptime reaches a multiple of 4 hours, but with the uptime being saved (at least conceptually) every time the system goes down and resuming from where it left when the system goes up.
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11:15<Guest928>I m new here
11:15<Guest928>dont know what to do
11:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:15<themill>Guest928: I'll take a random guess that you want to wander over to #ubuntu on
11:16<Guest928>Well, I am facing prob to install ubuntu jaunty
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11:17<Titan8990>Guest390, wrong channel
11:17<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
11:17<Titan8990>themill, good guess
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11:17<themill>ESP-over-TCP/IP strikes again.
11:18<Guest928>ok thanks and good bye
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11:19<violet523>is there a command line way to send the log file to the pastebin sites?
11:19<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, pastebinit is a command-line tool (packaged for Lenny, Squeeze) to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit"
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11:20<cahoot> IPsec Encapsulating Security Payload (ESP) [RFC2406]
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11:22<daniel_>can I get a woot woot
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11:25<violet523>for those that were helping me with my nvidia problem
11:25<Titan8990>violet523, Please see Chapter 8: Common Problems in the README for additional information.
11:26<Titan8990>not sure which READE its referring to but its a start
11:26<violet523>that's what i was just about to ask you
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11:26<violet523>thank you though
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11:27<Titan8990>violet523, i found it... try: update-alternatives --set opengl
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11:28<violet523>thank you
11:28<violet523>be right back
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11:30<violet523>okay, sorry using single user mode so i have to keep quitting and joining.
11:30<violet523>when i was updating the alternatives, which file needed to be updated?
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11:38<bcochofel>Hi, what's the default AV on lenny if I want to scan emails on my email server?
11:39<Ikarus>bcochofel: no default, you choose, I think clam is most common though
11:40<bcochofel>Ikarus, clamav?
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11:40<miguel>hello everybody
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11:41<miguel>once again im trying to understand the linux startup process, because i see a lot of error messages during startup.. and want to understand and fix that
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11:41<Ikarus>miguel: hi, which part is causing trouble then, kernel, initrd or init scripts ?
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11:41<Ikarus>that needs to be your first question
11:42<miguel>Ikarus, : im even unsure about that, but i guess its loading some modules/drivers
11:42<miguel>during startup
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11:42<cahoot>miguel: try enable bootlogd
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11:42<cahoot>miguel: see /etc/default/bootlogd
11:43<violet523>titan8990, which file was supposed to be updated with the opengl?
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11:44<violet523>does anyone know of irc programs with colors for the terminal, i'm using epic4?
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11:45*arw hello folks
11:46<miguel>by default i enter runlevel 2 righ?
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11:47<miguel>ok ill reboot and see what bootlog logs
11:47<Wilthril>just wondering, if by any chance the ethernet interface crashes, would it be written in the syslog file? (/var/log/syslog) ?
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11:49<miguel>so back again
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11:57<violet523>excuse me, but what happened to BitchX?
11:57<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, ask me about <bitchxignore>. Abandoned upstream, removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373.
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12:05<miguel>why there are so many runlveles, (2-5 multiuser) and what is runlevel S for?
12:05<dpkg>0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead., or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc>.
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12:09<dpkg>methinks init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel>.
12:09<dpkg>it has been said that bootmisc is where you put miscellaneous stuff you want to run at boot but can't be bothered making an init script for. /etc/init.d/, or ask about <rc.local>
12:10<dpkg>well, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid., or make-kpkg --initrd
12:10<steffan>!tell pies -about query
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12:10<pies>ah, sorry and thank you
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12:12<pies>anyway what is difference if I know how compile kernel with initrd, but I want without initrd?
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12:17<miguel>so what is /etc/rcS.d/ ? are this the common scripts for ALL runlevels started in the beginning (before /etc/rc2.d/ for instance, when i go into runlevel 2?)
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12:18<Paggas>miguel: the scripts in rcS.d are run only *once*, at boot time, it doesn't have to do with changing runlevels :)
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12:19<miguel>but they are RUN always once, no matter what runlevel i start intially
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12:24<violet523>what would be the easy way to tell if there is an irq conflict with my video card that would only show up when using the nvidia gl drivers?
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12:27<Wilthril>violet523: maybe the syslog?
12:27<violet523>is opengl really needed to run world of warcraft while using linux?
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12:28<violet523>do i really need to use nvidia non free drivers?
12:28<Ikarus>yes you do
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12:29<violet523>is there a wiki on using debian and wow?
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12:32<Wilthril>mh... i know i'm gonna be cursed by some people here but i have one for *cough* ubuntu
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12:36<miguel>-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root
12:36<miguel>what the s does stand for?
12:37<bzed>man chmod
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12:38<hyperactivething>is it possible to monitor a net interface (using pcap) as a non-root user or group? If so, which user/group must I work as?
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12:42<cusco>i have a funny situation, but it is a problem and that makes it less funny
12:42<bzed>hyperactivething: a sudo rule is probably the most easiest way, although it will still run as root then
12:42<cusco>both my network interfaces, wireless and wired, respond with the same MAC address on the ARP table
12:42<bzed>hyperactivething: it might be possibleto allow that using posix capabilities, but I doubt anybody looked into that
12:42<cusco>but ifconfig shows two distinct different mac addresses
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12:43<cusco>I even went to check udev presistent net rules, it sets two different MAC's
12:43<cusco>why is wireless interface replying with the same MAC as the wired interface
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12:44<hyperactivething>bzed: hmm I thought working as some group (netdev?) it would be possible
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12:45<bzed>hyperactivething: no, a network interface is not just a simple device in /dev :)
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12:48<hyperactivething>oh that reminds me, is there a way to change the logical name of a network interface without reboot? (really change, no alias -.-)
12:49<ichdasich>hyperactivething: ifrename might work
12:49<bzed>hyperactivething: or nameif
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12:51<hyperactivething>didn't know those commands (and that package) :p
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12:53<Makaraki>Hy everyone
12:53<steffan>Makaraki: Hi
12:53<Makaraki>I would like to ask you guys for some helps regarding java issues
12:53<Makaraki>steffan: Hi
12:53<steffan>Makaraki: Please ask
12:54<Makaraki>Well my problem is that I already installed sun-java6-bin, jre, and jdk
12:55<Makaraki>and also exported the env variables JAVA_HOME and PATH
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12:55<Makaraki>in the .bash_profile in order to have everything ready
12:56<Makaraki>but when I type java -version command
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12:57<Makaraki>it shows me the "old" java version "1.5.0"
12:57<Makaraki>gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.3.2
12:57<Makaraki>instead of the desired 1.6.0
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12:57<dpkg>Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the sun-java6 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun".
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12:57<themill>Makaraki: and ideally, you wouldn't set JAVA_HOME at all. (nothing in debian should require that you do)
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12:58<Makaraki>themill: good sugestion...
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13:00<Makaraki>themill: I will read the man regarding update-java-alternatives
13:01<Makaraki>thanks guys
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13:04<Makaraki>themill: It's done with update-java-alternatives -s /path/ thank you
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13:04<themill>no worries
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13:36<Wilthril>I have a nas (running debian) connected to a router. The ethernet connexion between the nas and the router crashed. I've nothing on /var/log/syslog nor in the router logs. Is it the nas's fault or the router's?
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13:42<sigp239>How do you copy or move a directory that contains symbolic links?
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13:45<cahoot>tried man cp - perhaps --preserve is what you look for?
13:45<dkr>well, if they are absolute links foo -> /bar/baz then a normal mv would work. the problem is links to stuff like ../../foo if you change the level of the dir hierarchy
13:45<miguel>does anyone know how to perform a user action in kruasder automatically on doubleklcik?
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13:48<mbruins>hi, i run testing and installed iceweasel and flashplug-nonfree but the flash doesnt seems to work. are there any sugestions or terms to google? please help
13:51<rijo>i use flashplayer-mozilla from multimedia repo and it works perfectly
13:51<mbruins>thanks ill give it a try
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13:55<mbruins>weird when addes the multimedia repos i cant find any flashplayer-mozilla
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13:57<chealer>!tell mbruins about doesn't work
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13:57<mbruins>No. If you really need to access such webpages, install mozilla and flashplugin-nonfree in your 386 chroot and use the 32bit browser to access the sites.
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13:58<mbruins>thats all it needed to know
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14:00<rijo>mbruins: it shows for me with apt-cache search. you sure you enabled the repo with apt-key etc.?
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14:06<mbruins>rijo: no i did dpkg -i debian-multimedia-keyring_2008.10.16_all.deb
14:07<rijo>hmm don't know that method. did apt-get update grab the multimedia package list?
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14:09<rijo>ah, i see they have a .deb for that now...
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14:52<miguel>unfortunatelly i have to work with ms-word., is it possible to run it under linux?
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14:53<Wilthril>miguel: i've managed once with wine (Office 2007) but it was veeeery complicated
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14:53<Wilthril>and some features were missing
14:53<Xeross>Would it be possible to have some sort of cool stats thingie running remotely
14:54<Xeross>like total http requests, http requests/s, system resources, et
14:54<themill>miguel: crossover office works quite well and is well polished. (it's a version of wine with commercial polish and support)
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14:57<miguel>ok thx, maybe ill try also a virtual machine
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14:59<Pryon>miguel: VirtualBox works very well for that sort of thing
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14:59<miguel>hope it will not be tooo slow
14:59<Pryon>miguel: what kind of machine are you running?
15:00<Pryon>More specifically, how much RAM?
15:00<miguel>q6600 8gb ram
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15:00<sney>that should be enough
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15:00<Pryon>You'll hardly notice the difference
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15:01<miguel>fine, thx
15:01<miguel>ill install win-xp in the virutal box
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15:02<sulman>hy all
15:03<sulman>how do i change the theme of my ubuntu,
15:03<sulman>2day is my first day on ubuntu
15:03<sney>this is not ubuntu chat, we don't support ubuntu
15:03<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
15:03<sulman>hmm is it?
15:03<sulman>where do i go then
15:03<sney>short form: /server -j #ubuntu
15:03<sulman> /server -j #ubuntu
15:04<sney>no spaces
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15:08<andrew>.ns id breebree
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15:36<Ignaz>hi, all
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15:38<j1mp492>how do i get flash player?
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15:38<steffan>!tell j1mp492 -about flash
15:38<steffan>Ignaz: Hi
15:39<Ignaz>hi, steffan
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15:46<sigp239>I have a console program that runs then quits. I want to launch it with a script, like "/usr/bin/gnome-terminal -e /usr/bin/foo", but when the program quits the terminal closes. How do I make it so that the gnome-terminal remains open?
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15:52<Titan8990>sigp239, open the terminal then run /usr/bin/foo
15:52<Titan8990>sigp239, for troubleshooting use: bash -x /usr/bin/foo
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15:55<sigp239>Titan8990, I am launching the program from a launcher button. I don't want to open a terminal.
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16:04<steffan>sigp239: Does it quit when you type the command manually?
16:05<sigp239>steffan, yes, the program quits when you simply type it without any arguments.
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16:06<themill>sigp239: man gnome-terminal; there's probably a command line option for this (for konsole it's --noclose)
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16:06<sigp239>themill, Yes there is a gnome-terminal -e
16:06<themill>-e != --noclose
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16:08<cahoot>Open a new gnome-terminal. Navigate to Edit->Preferences. Click on the "Title and Command" tab. There's a spinbox labeled "when command exits", change it from "exit the terminal" to "hold the terminal open".
16:09<sigp239>cahoot, I tried that
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16:10<sigp239>cahoot, The gnome-terminal remains open, but none of the output of the program foo is displayed. It's simply a white screen.
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16:47<Xeross>What would be the correct way of compiling a modified apache source
16:47<dmc_lat47>hi there; trying to use duplicity on debian latest stable. the package apt gets is 0.4.11 which is too early to understand one of the backends. Am trying to compile from source, but it's choking on not being able to find librsync
16:47<Xeross>Ive got the debian apache src package
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16:50<Xeross>where can I find those files anyways
16:50<dmc_lat47>xeross... which files?
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16:51<Xeross>I need to apply a custom bugfix patch so I need to compile the source
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16:53<dmc_lat47>pardon me; i'm trying to figure out the same sort of thing. but have you seen this?
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16:56<Xeross>informative but doesnt tell me where the filesa re
16:59<dmc_lat47>sorry; there's a link at off to the right
17:00<dmc_lat47>wouldn't you just do apt-get source apache2?
17:01<Xeross>no I would do aptitude install apache2-src
17:01<Xeross>but where are the files
17:02<dmc_lat47>you are asking what repository they're in?
17:02<dmc_lat47>looks like lenny/main has them
17:03<Xeross>no im asking where they are on my system
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17:07<dmc_lat47>i assume find didn't work?
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17:16<Xeross>building woohoo
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17:34<sheldon>hi, what is the channel for debian-sid?
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17:35<simonrvn>there isn't any
17:36<sheldon>hi, on my SID, compiz not load any can i fix it?
17:36<simonrvn>there is no "debian-sid" channel
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17:37<sheldon>ok, but on my debian compz not load any plugins where can i found a solution for it?
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17:50<peej_>Xeross, were the sources under /usr/src?
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17:54<Wilthril>is nfs-user-server supposed to be stable?
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17:57<simonrvn>kernel version is less featured but more stable
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17:59<Wilthril>simonrvn: ok but i can't use kernel version T_T
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18:31<Wilthril>i mean i download directly with bittorrent a big file from my computer to the nfs shared folder directly and... well ktorrent is veeeeery laggy
18:31<Wilthril>is it because nfs-user-server is unstable or the problem is elsewhere?
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18:56<Aleric>mplayer swapped colors :/
18:56<Aleric>red is now green!
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19:21<cerk_>are some debian teammember here?
19:21<dondelelcaro>cerk_: best to just ask your question
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19:23<cerk_>okay i found (maybe) a bug in testing: If i start a gui, my cpu is going to think about his life meaning the cpu is on 100% (got a dualcore 2.9 ghz)
19:23<cerk_>and don't know if this is right: root 3860 11.1 1.0 73528 21896 tty7 Ss+ 00:51 2:55 /usr/bin/X11/X -nolisten tcp
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19:25<cerk_>if i start pidgin iceweasel etc it is on one core on 100% static and the other core is down at 1 or 2 %
19:25<dondelelcaro>cerk_: it's not multithreaded
19:26<dondelelcaro>cerk_: so it'll only use a single cpu; other processes which are running will use the other cpu
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19:26<cerk_>okay but before it wasn't a problem to open 3 iceweasel and pidgin and compile
19:26<dondelelcaro>sure, you can still do all that
19:26<cerk_>no iceweasel is low like hell and pidgin too
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19:27<dondelelcaro>anyway, what you're showing me is a process using 11% CPU.
19:27<dondelelcaro>if you think something else is going on, you'll have to actually show the output of ps axfu
19:27<cerk_>okay wait a sec
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19:27<cerk_>the whole`
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19:29<ymorin>cerk_, pastebin
19:29<cerk_>k w8 a sec
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19:33<msalzer>anyone here familiar with the eeepc?
19:33<dondelelcaro>msalzer: best to just ask your question
19:33<prahal>msalzer, yup
19:33<prahal>in front of one
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19:33<msalzer>er. well, it's a roundabout question. but I had to use alsa-source to get sound (I'm on a 1000)
19:33<msalzer>and module assistant brought in a whole bunch of dependencies
19:34<prahal>msalzer, lenny ?
19:34<sney>1000 which?
19:34<msalzer>yes, lenny. 2.6.26 kernel. Just the plain 1000 w/ the ssds
19:35<msalzer>anyway, I want to free up some space and if i try to remove all the stuff m-a brought in, alsa-source would get removed with it
19:35<prahal>cause with >=2.6.29 it should nto be an issue (as a sid user it has been so long I have one of those )
19:35<msalzer>would removing alsa-source via aptitude cause my sound to suddenly not work?
19:35<sney>the alsa-source package should only be the source itself and not the resulting modules
19:36<msalzer>ah, ok sney. thank you.
19:36<prahal>I bet it installed the kernel source , huge for your space
19:36<msalzer>yes. 95 megs or so
19:36<sney>weird, there's no mention of a sound issue on the Model page
19:36<prahal>yes you can remove it once the module is build and installed
19:36<sney>I guess most of us eee people are using squeeze
19:37<msalzer>I tried to install squeeze, but it failed miraculously on my system.
19:37<msalzer>i have no idea why.
19:37<sney>well, it's not an official solution anyway
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19:37<prahal>msalzer, installing squeeze directly I don't know if it is supposed to work, but isntalling lenny then upgrading should do fine
19:37<sney>or rather it's a sledgehammer-as-flyswatter solution.
19:37<msalzer>prahal: that's what I tried to do
19:37<prahal>ah ok
19:38<msalzer>i used the offical eeepc image, then changed the sources.list, then I was left with a hosed system
19:38<msalzer>again, i have no idea why
19:38<sney>dpkg has instructions for lenny->squeeze
19:38<dpkg>wish i knew, sney
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19:39<msalzer>anyway, i'm fine with lenny (mostly) and you two have answered my question. thanks.
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19:39<cerk_>is it legit to downgrade from testing to stable?
19:39<sney>cerk_: not really
19:39<sney>it could break things easily
19:39<sney>better to back up /home and reinstall
19:40<cerk_>okay then i have to do something ^^'
19:40<cerk_>or has anyone an idea why it is lagging like hell if i open a gui?
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19:42<dondelelcaro>cerk_: uh... the only things you've got running that are using any cpu are icewseasel and X, and they're not using very much of it
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19:43<dondelelcaro>cerk_: if I were to guess, you've most likely screwed up name resolution or osmething similar.
19:43<dondelelcaro>cerk_: but you'll have to give us a more specific indication of what the problem is
19:43<dondelelcaro>(and you can probably figure it out yourself if you use strace with whatever you think is lagging)
19:44<prahal>cerk_, try unloading ipv6 module
19:45<cerk_>hmm my problem is: i had a hardware damage a few days before so i swapped the mainboard and reinstalled the whole system. now any gui process is lagging like hell. how can i do this? (unloading ipv6)
19:45<dondelelcaro>cerk_: you'll have to be more specific than "lagging like hell"
19:45<prahal>oh that may be another issue if it was working with the same install on different hardware
19:46<cerk_>no i did a new install on the new hardware
19:46<prahal>this is a generic kernel (as in debian one ?)
19:46<prahal>ah ok
19:46<prahal>modprobe -r ipv6 as root
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19:47<cerk_>cerk@Beeblebrox:~$ sudo modprobe -r ipv6
19:47<cerk_>FATAL: Module ipv6 is in use.
19:48<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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19:49<prahal>cerk_, well not critical anyway ... I wonder what is using it but that ll be for another time. You tol everything was lagging , included a text editor , etc ?
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19:51<cerk_>no if i'm on another workspace it is only a bit lagging
19:52<cerk_>what is the name of the ipv6 process?
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19:53<cerk_>btw my texteditor is vim
19:53<prahal>cerk_, it is not a process , a kernel module (unnloading it disable ipv6) . Should only matter for web browsing if something is broken (provider ipv6 support , resolv.conf, etc
19:54<prahal>yes though you could try to open an image viewer or else to check it is not only web
19:54<cerk_>but it is in use... maybe because of my irssi?
19:54<cerk_>okay w8
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19:56<cerk_>no pacman isnt lagging
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19:58<nisjei>una pregunta algien sabe de bash y crontab que tengo una duda
19:58<cerk_>so if pacman isn't lagging but all web applications it is maybe caused by the ipv6 module?
19:58<prahal>cerk_, could you try closing FF to check if you can unload ipv6 afterwards
19:58<prahal>there should not be many things using ipv6 at the moment
19:58<cerk_>can't unload
19:59<cerk_>FATAL: Module ipv6 is in use.
19:59<cerk_>maybe my irc client?
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20:00<cerk_>okay wait i'll kill all webapps
20:00<cerk_>cu soon
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20:06<cerk>hmm can't unloaf
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20:06<cerk>any ideas what i could kill to unload the ipv6 module?
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20:09<karankantule>where to get a SID iso image?
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20:12<karankantule>sney thx
20:13<sney>the result of googling "sid netinst"
20:13<karankantule>how unstable is unstable?
20:13<dondelelcaro>karankantule: depends on the day
20:13<sney>right, it's constantly changing
20:14<sney>it's also possible to install testing and set it as a "testing-unstable mix" which lets you install packages from sid if you want
20:14<sney>that's a better solution unless you really want a system that could easily break on your next update
20:16<karankantule>ok, I'll stay in testing then.
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20:26<abrotman>please don't encourage people that can't figure out how to install unstable to run unstable
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20:45<Wilthril>ok it may be a silly question but better to ask: i have a linux (not debian... a generic linux) which uses a driver for the ethernet interface, and i have a debian with a "bad" driver. Is it possible to copy the drivers from one place to another?
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20:46<sney>Wilthril: only if they use the same kernel version.
20:46<ichdasich>Wilthril: just compile your own kernel?
20:46<sney>If it's a non-free driver (like the downloadable Realtek ones) you can usually build them on debian just as well as any other distro
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20:48<Wilthril>mh... well i'd like to compile my own kernel, but i'm pretty sure the drivers are non-free (marvell 88E1111)
20:49<Wilthril>and they don't exactly use the same kernel
20:52<ichdasich>Wilthril: << gave it a short look, and i think that this should work for debien, too.
20:52<ichdasich>s/debien/debian/ -.-'
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20:54<Wilthril>ok thanks i've found an archive with an updated driver...
20:54<sney>ndiswrapper is also an option
20:54<Wilthril>sney: i thought it was only for wifi...
20:54<sney>I've even heard of people using it for audio somehow.
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20:55<Wilthril>the thing is i can access to the other machine only by ssh... so installing an ethernet driver while using it may be a bad idea
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20:56<sney>you'd have to make sure it worked
20:56<Wilthril>is there a way that i do some stuff on my computer then i send the drivers (or something else) with scp or it's impossible?
20:58<Wilthril>and i've searched about the drivers, and even people using windows have trouble finding the drivers (they usually have to install nvidia nforce ones...)
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21:00<sney>it's always annoying when you can't find good driver support.
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21:01<Wilthril>yeah especially the network card for a nas >_<
21:01<cwood>Ask the NAS vendor?
21:02<Wilthril>yeah they have some sort of "locked" linux running out of the box, and well they updated the drivers lately
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21:02<Wilthril>and there's a way to run instead a regular debian on it, but the driver is not that good (lots of dropped packets)
21:02<cwood>How so locked?
21:03<Wilthril>cwood: besides changing the boot script you can't do anything else
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21:04<cwood>I find that rather surprising.
21:04<Wilthril>and internally they use a proprietary driver for ntfs because the data partition IS ntfs (the partition type for data can't be changed)
21:05<Wilthril>cwood: honestly me too, if you try to change anything else your changes are overwritten in the next reboot
21:05<cwood>Remind me, if it's so locked down why are you using it?
21:06<abrotman>and how is it a debian problem?
21:06<Wilthril>cwood: because there's a way to run a regular debian on it (and it works great at 100mbps), and it has both ethernet gigabit and usb support
21:07<Wilthril>it's not really a debian problem, but i'd prefer to keep the debian rather than putting back their stupid proprietary stuff
21:08<abrotman>i meant .. why aren't you asking them why their stuff is broken ?
21:09<Wilthril>it's because as long as you stick with the proprietary stuff it works fine
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21:10<Wilthril>even if some people complained about speed and integrity (ntfs with linux for data... no way)
21:12<Wilthril>so because i can use usb i can retrieve the driver they use, but then if i could use it somehow in the debian it would be perfect
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21:13<cwood>Sounds like you could start with a list of the hardware in the NAS, and see what drivers are available for it.
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21:13<Wilthril>cwood: i already have the hardware, and only the network card is buggy
21:14<cwood>So swap it out?
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21:14<cwood>Install some PCI nic?
21:14<Wilthril>cwood : what do you mean?
21:15<Wilthril>it's only a nas, i can't change the hardware
21:15<abrotman>client: do you need help with a Debian problem?
21:15<Wilthril>and lshw doesn't show me anything about the network card T_T
21:16<client>i love poll
21:16<Wilthril>nope lspci doesn't return anything
21:16<cwood>So it's not a pci device. lsusb?
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21:17<Wilthril>well lsusb shows me "Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000"
21:17<cwood>Heck, take a screwdriver, open up the case, and see how the ethernet device is connected.
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21:18<cwood>Once you find out what the hardware is, see if there's a driver for it. If there isn't one in Debian, perhaps you could ask the vendor for the driver.
21:18<Wilthril>there's one for linux that's for sure
21:20<Wilthril>there's a great chance that the ethernet interface is directly in the motherboard... i mean it's a nas it's a tiny box
21:20<cwood>Then you can look up the motherboard vendor, right?
21:20<cwood>Once you know what the hardware is, _then_ the issue could be whether you can run Debian on it, afaik.
21:21<cwood>Right now, you're not at that stage yet.
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21:21<Wilthril>well i have pictures of the motherboard
21:22<cwood>So you know the manufacturer and the model number and so on?
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21:23<Wilthril>but the nas is sold as a whole, i mean i don't think there is support for the motherboard only
21:23<cwood>What, do you think that the NAS vendor has a factory devoted to producing NAS motherboards?
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21:24<cwood>I'd say it's likelier that the motherboard comes from another vendor.
21:24<Wilthril>oh ok i'm still looking at the pictures
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21:24<sney>foxconn does a lot of that custom stuff
21:25<Wilthril>can't tell the manufacturer of the motherboard...
21:25<cwood>From the pictures, sure. You'd have a better look opening it up and looking at the board itself.
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21:26<Wilthril>so it should be written somewhere on the motherboard right?
21:27<cwood>Manufacturer and model number. You should also write down any text you can read for individual components as well, incl. obviously the ethernet interface.
21:28<Wilthril>yeah i have these ones
21:33<Wilthril>ok i'll do it tomorrow it's 3am i should get some sleep
21:33<Wilthril>thanks cwood for your help :)
21:34<cwood>Quite welcome.
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22:00<mslzr>just did a fresh install of squeeze, but lxde didn't create a .config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml file. anybody have one they are willing to share?
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22:57<sten>did a fresh install lenny, squeeze-update, kde, but does not work.
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22:57<sten>installed alsa-base/utils, unmuted volumes, but no change
22:57<sten>how can I get sound to work?
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23:05<chealer>!tell sten about doesn't work
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23:12<Freddie>help please guys.
23:13<Freddie>i have xfce and my taskbar disappeared
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23:18<Freddie>ab, im a newbie, please explain
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23:20<abrotman>Freddie: try running that program
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23:22<sten>chealer: I tried to give as much information as possible. my sound does not work. I said what I did, install alsa, unmuted. but I don't know more than that...
23:22<Freddie>how to i run it?
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23:23<ymorin>Freddie: Alt+F2 ?
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23:24<sten>I don't see any errors eg. in dmesg, modules seem to be loaded, but no sound
23:25<Freddie>u am in root? do i need to change to /root instead?
23:26<sney>sten, what's in /proc/asound/cards?
23:26<sney>is there more than one entry?
23:26<sten>sney: my soundcard and the modem
23:26<sney>which one is first?
23:26<sney>hmm, not that then.
23:28<sten>how do I check if e.g. pulseaudio mutes? is it installed, I have only libpulse0?
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23:35<labradors>Hello. I was about 95% done installing Lenny on a friend's old laptop, and the power went out. Is there a way to resume the installation, or must I start all over again?
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23:37<chealer>sten: is there an application which produces no sound?
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23:39<sten>chealer: all of kde. but also gnash does not play sound
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23:41<sney>labradors: depends on where it failed. had all the files finished copying? if so it is possible to boot with a livecd and install the boot loader manually
23:41<chealer>sten: for example?
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23:42<sten>chealer: systemsettings
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23:47<labradors>sney, I don't think it had. It was going through all the "installing..." and "configuring..." for the various packages.
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23:47<sney>labradors: probably safer to start over then
23:47<labradors>So, there's no log/record on the hard drive to allow the installer to know where to pick up again?
23:48<sney>that's not a bad idea, but no, not that I'm aware of.
23:48<labradors>Sounds more like something Micro$oft would do, instead of Linux.
23:48<labradors>I would think Linux would already be smart enough to have that.
23:48<sney>especially since power loss isn't a clean shutdown, so it wouldn't have an opportunity to log its place before shutting off
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23:50<labradors>Well, guess I'll just have to start over again. Naturally, it happens just when I'm ready to go to bed. This will have to wait until morning.
23:50<labradors>Still don't even know how well, if at all it will run on this old laptop, but giving it a try, anyhow.
23:51<sney>older hardware is usually supported better
23:51<labradors>Well, thanks for the answer, even though it wasn't what I had hoped to hear.
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23:52<labradors>Yeah, this IS older, but you never know with some of these laptops. This is a Toshiba Satellite CDT4000, and I DID find info on the Web about someone who had installed Linux on it, but that was a while back. Who knows if Lenny will still work.
23:52<labradors>Guess I'll find out tomorrow.
23:52<labradors>Thanks again.
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23:57<chitchat>Hi there. I have a bluetooth mouse that used to behave perfectly, but with an upgrade along the line started doing annoying things. Is anybody able to help please?
23:58<sney>!doesn't work
23:58<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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