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00:03<defcon>whats the chanel for backtrack
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00:20<k1lumin4t1>hi there
00:21<chitchat>Can anybody please help me? My blueooth mouse stalls the audio headset. Any suggestions?
00:21<k1lumin4t1>how can i connect to the internet from within a chroot?
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00:27<kenyon>k1lumin4t1: chroot has nothing to do with connecting to the internet
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00:28<kenyon>k1lumin4t1: so, do your internetting the same way as you normally would
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01:33<joejc>how do i get the search box in synaptic?
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01:42<joejc>is that a ubuntu thing?
01:42<Kvant>joejc, maybe hit the search button?
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01:42<joejc>i like the search box
01:43<joejc>bad idea to add ubuntu repos in debian?
01:45<joejc>debian seems out dated
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01:49<Gun_Smoke>joejc, use backports
01:49<Gun_Smoke>or try testing,
01:51<Gun_Smoke>Or back to ubuntu?
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01:52<joejc>ubuntu sux
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02:23<Rhapsody>I seem to now be fairly convinced that Debian sid is a good place for me to go from Kubuntu (I think I can deal with the odd breakage, and being behind the curve is starting to grate). But I get a lot of non-free packages like w64codecs (yes, AMD64 user) through Medibuntu. How do I go about getting that functionality on Debian?
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02:24<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
02:24<Rhapsody>Ah, I had a feeling you'd be covered, I just needed confirmation.
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02:26<Rhapsody>Iceweasel will take getting used to, I was confused when Firefox returned so few results on a package search.
02:26<chealer>Rhapsody: what kind of functionality? w32codecs is obtainable unofficially by Debian Multimedia
02:28<jm_>well firefox browser would find it
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02:29<Rhapsody>Well w64codecs is the main thing, I watch a lot of downloaded videos and I don't want to end up stymied because Debian is unable to support a specific format, and of course w64 because I build 64-bit only as a rule.
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02:30<Rhapsody>Google Earth is nice too, though I'm not sure what it's doing in Medibuntu rather than multiverse.
02:31<jm_>there's google-earth downloader and packager in debian
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02:32<Rhapsody>Well as long as Debian Multimedia can provide me with all the codecs I need, and work on an AMD64 system, then I'm pretty much set to give sid a go.
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02:33<Rhapsody>It'd be nice if I could install from my USB pendrive too. I'm tired of burning CDs.
02:33<jm_>debian supports that for years
02:35<Rhapsody>Well so does Ubuntu, but I found the instruction rather surreal as they insisted the drive had to be formatted as FAT32 so they could use SYSLINUX as the bootloader. Anything wrong with GRUB?
02:36<Rhapsody>The drive is already formatted as ext2, I fail to see why that should change.
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02:56<twb>dpkg --get-selections
02:56<dpkg>twb: no idea
02:57<twb>Hmm, apt-get -u dselect-upgrade
02:57<twb>Sounds suspicious!
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02:58<twb>dpkg has no knowledge of [un]markauto-ness, right?
02:58<dpkg>wish i knew, twb
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02:59<dpkg>rumour has it, autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed. Aptitude will try to automatically remove packages that it thinks are no longer needed and from lenny onwards, so will apt-get and synaptic. If you remove a package that also causes a large metapackage like gnome to be autoremoved then this will cause you problems. Ask me about <unmarkauto>.
02:59<dpkg>Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>.
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03:02<twb>jm_: I'm actually trying to do the opposite
03:03<Rhapsody>Hmm, as I somewhat suspected, the instructions to use syslinux on the USB drive originally came from Debian. Guess it'll have to be FAT.
03:03<twb>e.g. "aptitude -R markauto alacarte" doesn't remove alacarte, because gnome-panel Recommends it.
03:03<twb>Which is stupid, because I'm supplying -R
03:03<dsifreak>apt-get purge alacarte?
03:04<twb>dsifreak: yes, but I'm doing stuff like ~i~ntracker to purge packages with "tracker" in their name.
03:04<dsifreak>aah ok
03:04<twb>But gnome-panel still depends on libtrackersilly0 or whatever, so simply purging them doesn't work.
03:04<twb>This is also happening in a noninteractive build script, so I can't just fudge it by hand
03:05<dsifreak>only one seed for disk 2 grr
03:05<twb>dsifreak: what, you don't use apt-bittorrent?
03:05<twb>And/or jigdo?
03:06<dsifreak>cause s/o managed to kill all my linux boxes and jigdo didnt want to work here
03:07<twb>Fairy nuff
03:07<dsifreak>ill download it from a mirror and thenm seed
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03:07<twb>As for me, I always do network-based installs by hand-rolling extlinux with the d-i kernel and ramdisk
03:07<twb>optical media are so 2004
03:08<dsifreak>have to install like 20 mchines wich are different in hardware
03:08<twb>dsifreak: netinst means you only download what you need. Put a cache between those machines and the internet, and it means you only download what you need, once.
03:09<dsifreak>therefore i need a running linux box
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03:09<dsifreak>ill setup one
03:09<twb>I suppose so
03:09<dsifreak>i always used netinst since i got from windblows in debian 3.0
03:09<twb>In principle you could run squid on something else
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03:11<dsifreak>squidward tentacles? :-P
03:12<dsifreak>in german Thaddäus ( i know what squid is)
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03:17<per>when i try to do cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/sdb2 i get an error message asking me to check if my kernel supports aes-cbc-essiv:sha256, it should since i have dm-crypt, aes, cbc, sha256 modules loaded.
03:17<per>ubuntu has this listed as a bug, is that still present in debian?
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03:28<per>how do i check that my kernel has support for aes-cbc-essiv:sha256?
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03:31<virm_>what chanel encoding?
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03:31<virm_>UTF-8 ?
03:32<jm_>virm: it's in english so it doesn't matter much
03:33<jm_>but feel free to use utf-8 yes
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03:34<jm_>per: do you also have cryptoloop loaded?
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03:47<zumbi>hi, does somebody know how can i recover back the feature that makes the cursor move while arrow keys are maintained pressed (right now, it is very annoying to have to press the key for just one slot move)
03:48<jm_>zumbi: are you using gnome or kde or somesuch?
03:49<zumbi>jm_: no, awesome
03:49<jm_>zumbi: what does 'xset q' say?
03:49<jm_>no pasting here!
03:50<zumbi>i can not paste either, copy also does not work properly
03:50<dpkg>well, pastebinit is a command-line tool (packaged for Lenny, Squeeze) to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit"
03:51<jm_>auto repeat: off - enable it with xset
03:52<jm_>your mask also covers less keys than for me, and your delay interval is also higher
03:52<zumbi>jm_: yes, that works, thanks :)
03:53<zumbi>jm_: how do you set this to be available when a reboot is done? i have done xset r on
03:53<jm_>zumbi: I have it in .xsession
03:53<zumbi>umm.. ok, thanks
03:54<jm_>actually I only have rate setting in there, but it's enabled by default for me in Lenny
03:55<zumbi>yes, it was enabled for me, but i do not know when it changed
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04:00<stockholm>are there any catches with installing debian (lenny) on a macbook pro?
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04:01<stockholm>it loads the initramdisk but when the kernel starts it says "fail" and reboots
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04:07<hypercoffeedude>what could cause: -bash: /bin/mount Permisson Denied?
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04:13<twb>When making a [type]script that involves apt-get, there are huge long progress bar sequences, and less -R is still too dumb to suppress them.
04:13<twb>Can I just tell apt-get not to display those progress bars?
04:13<twb>I guess TERM=dumb would work...
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04:17<peej_>twb: -q ?
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04:18<twb>peej_: well, I still want it to print out the other stuff
04:18<twb>Oops, and s/apt-get/aptitude/
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04:20<peej_>there are various levels of quietness - have you tried them all yet?
04:21<twb>I'm waiting for the current run to finish before I poke it.
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04:23<peej_>well, it's not the kind of thing that people would tend to have stored in their braincache for immediate future reference :)
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04:23<twb>I'm just used to #emacs :-)
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04:25<peej_>if none of the -q options suits you, I guess you can sed filter it out
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04:28<twb>That's what I do currently
04:28<twb>It's stinky because sometimes you can get a ^M *after* the last update. Silly curses
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04:34<twb>peej_: -q appears to DTRT. A bit puzzling as to why I didn't already turn it on, that being the case.
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04:36<peej_>I'm trying to understand x-session-manager behaviour. I have xdm and icewm. lsof shows icewm-session is opened by x-session. x-session-manager is run by dbus-launch (is that the new gnome-session manager?) which is run by ssh-agent
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04:38<peej_>now, can I set it up so my apps restore themselves after logout?
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04:38<peej_>(after logout, then login back into icewm that is?)
04:39<twb>dbus-launch is a wrapper that runs an arbitrary command with a session dbus daemon in the background. When the child process exits, it automatically reaps the session dbus daemon.
04:39<twb>The gnome session manager is probably gnome-session
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04:43<peej_>Ok, I got confused by the dbus thing 'cos of and the fact that lenny is a bit old. I do have gnome-session installed. It isn't running though.
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04:44<jm_>peej_: no dbus is started because it's enabled in /etc/X11/Xsession.options
04:44<peej_>in etc/alternatives, x-session-manager points to icewm-session.
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04:45<per>jm_, yes i have loaded the cryptoloop module, dm-mod, dm-crypt, sha1/256/512, aes_x86_64/generic
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04:46<per>jm_, still no go with cryptsetup -y luksAddKey /dev/sdb2
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04:48<peej_>jm_, what rôle does dbus have in xsession management ? Is it the x-session-manager instead of icewm-session?
04:49<twb>peej_: dbus has nothing to do with the x session manager.
04:49<jm_>peej_: no, it's to start dbus much like ssh-agent
04:49<twb>peej_: it's simply invoked first in a slightly strange launch chain idiom
04:49<twb>It's a bit like a continuation.
04:50<twb>(In the mathematical sense of the word.)
04:50<jm_>peej_: so that child processes inherit env vars it sets AFAIK
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04:50<per>as i said, i found that there is a bug in ubuntu in cryptsetup. i can't find this bug in the bts. cryptsetup is in sid is older than the version in ubuntu which had the bug.
04:50<jm_>per: hmm then I am out of ideas, sorry
04:51<twb>per: maybe ubuntu introduced the bug, then
04:51<per>twb, it is solved in ubuntu
04:51<twb>Maybe ubuntu introduced and fixed the bug, then.
04:51<per>then i should not be affected :-)
04:51<per>but i am... :-/
04:53<twb>Then it's a bug that has not been reported in Debian. So report it.
04:53<per>that is what i am thinking
04:53<twb>When in doubt, file the bug. Someone can always close it if you're wrong
04:53<jm_>hmm I think something similar was reported as a documentation bug
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04:57<jano>howdy, can i somehow see in Xchat on which channel(server) ive been yesterday? im on ubuntu
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04:58<jano>i did added the channel to favorites, but cant seem to find where it is
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04:59<jano>where can i browse my fav channels
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05:01<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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05:01<amc>hi all
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05:02<seeS>hello amc
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05:03<amc>hi sees
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05:08<twb>jano: that's really a question for the xchat channel, which is probably #xchat on freenode
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05:10<peej_>ok, so x-session-manager fires up dbus to keep handy useful stuff for it, and then does what it is really supposed to do (icewm-session). Icewm-session (according to icewm help page, section 3.1) launches icewm (the x-window-manager) + icewmbg + icewmtray and maybe some other bits as part of the session.
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05:13<twb>icewm-session is pretty much useless
05:13<twb>You might as well just fire up icewm, or write an .xinitrc
05:14<peej_>well, it doesn't seem to retain the session. ("seem" 'cos I really should test it properly to see if that is true)
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05:14<jm_>peej_: no it dosn't
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05:15<simonrvn>same for openbox-session it doesn't save anything, just starts up stuff
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05:15<peej_>so I should be able to install gnome-session (running icewm) instead and get the desired behaviour?
05:16<peej_>cool, a new toy :-)
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05:17<rumpsy>o_O toy?
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05:25<stech>any one have any idea how to configure openswan to connect to CISCO firewall based on plain ipsec
05:28<seeS>ive connectec cisco to cisco before
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05:31<stech>seeS: I need to setup a site to site VPN setup between openswan and cisco
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05:33<seeS>im sure there is a howto about that
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05:35<jm_>cisco has its own vpn software for linux, then there's vpnc
05:35<seeS>nah, i think he means the real ipsec stuff
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05:35<seeS>not easyvpn or their other things
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05:40<stech>seeS: Yes ipsec configuration. Not vpn client
05:40<seeS>ok, so have you made a start of it?
05:41<seeS>the wiki has lots of examples
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05:44<stech>seeS: yes I installed the packages.
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05:46<seeS>hmm, the openswan wiki is a mass of bad lniks :(
05:47<stech>seeS: this is first time I am configuring VPN. Can you tell what is Peering IP Address.
05:47<seeS>the peer ip is the other guys ip
05:47<seeS>ie its internet address
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05:48<seeS>i think freeswan calls them left and right addresses
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05:48<seeS>^^ that has lots of configs
05:50<stech>seeS: Thanks a lot.
05:50<seeS>it was an inter-op so they made it talk to all sorts of things
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06:15<Wilthril>i'm sorry if my asumptions are incorrect but it's worth the try: i've hardware running debian and the OS needs drivers to run the hardware (so far i should be right), and in unix everything is files
06:16<Wilthril>so can i list the driver files needed for a specific hardware (let's say the network card)?
06:16<dpkg>[hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at, see to see what's supported by the linux kernel, (PCI verification only),, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>.
06:16<jm_>Wilthril: kmuto hcl link
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06:17<Wilthril>>_< lspci doesn't work T_T
06:19*tuxcrafter is still trying to get his system in KMS kernel mode switching settings
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06:20<seeS>you mean its not installed?
06:21<Wilthril>nope it's not working it says "pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci"
06:21<Wilthril>lshw works though
06:22<seeS>is /proc mounted?
06:22<Wilthril>yes it is... it's an arm debian
06:23<Gold24>nm wrong window
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06:25<seeS>does that file exist?
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06:28<Wilthril>no /proc/pci doesn't work
06:28<Wilthril>i'm looking at the websites, they're really useful
06:29<Wilthril>just wondering: if i install a driver and it cannot find the hardware, will il crash?
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06:29<jm_>usually not
06:30<Wilthril>okay because my hardware may match with 2 different modules
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06:36<Wilthril>the last url you gave me is amazing
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06:51<sylar>anyone know how to set up jabbar?
06:51<jackyf>install a jabber client
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06:52<sylar>jackyf, I have
06:52<sylar>but it say something inthe log
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06:53<jackyf>a telepathy isn't my strong side
06:53<jackyf>be more verbose
06:53<sylar>bouncing a routed packet to syler@server from 13@c2s/9343C00: Internal Delivery Error
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06:53<sylar>jackyf, ^ that is what is on the error.log
06:54<bnadland>is there a way to find out which debian mailing lists i'm subscribed to?
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06:54<gsimmons>dpkg: subscribed
06:54<dpkg>Not sure which Debian <mailing lists> you're subscribed to? Send mail to with "which" (without quotes) in the body.
06:54<jackyf>do you know a jabber server named "server"?
06:54<bnadland>gsimmons: thanks a lot
06:55<sylar>server= my hostname
06:55<jackyf>sylar: try using, for example
06:55<sylar>jackyf, I am trying to set up a local server
06:55<jackyf>do you have a local jabber server?
06:55<jackyf>what 1.4?
06:56<jackyf>you know, there is more than one jabber server
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06:56<sylar>I have what debian calls jabber
06:56<jackyf>did you try 'sylar@localhost'?
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06:56<per>how can i get the gid from a group? i have looked for a cli tool for this but retorted to sed...
06:57<sylar>jackyf, no
06:57<jm_>per: getent
06:57<jm_>id will also report it if you're a member
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06:58<sylar>jackyf, maybe it works
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06:59<sylar>jackyf, maybe not, I tried to add buddy and no xmpp account
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07:09<sylar>jackyf, localhost works no
07:09<sylar>jackyf, localhost works now
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07:10<sylar>jackyf, but... what if I want a real server name? so other computers on the lan could use it?
07:10<jackyf>you need to check your network settings (nothing related to jabber)
07:10<sylar>(I changed to localhost also in the jabber.cfg)
07:11<jackyf>sylar: to properly set a hostname to your computer
07:11<sylar>my computer has a proper host name :(
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07:13<erik> /server
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07:18<jackyf>sylar: can you ping your computer by hostname?
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07:22<sylar>jackyf, from inside the lan , yes
07:23<jackyf>hm, strange then why the client cannot connect by name
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07:24<sylar>jackyf, I think maybe the xml has references to localhost
07:24<jackyf>did you with some another client to see whether it'a client problem or not?
07:24<sylar>no, just pidgin, I don't know other clients
07:25<dr|z3d>sylar: empathy is another.
07:25<sylar>dr|z3d, I'll try
07:26<sylar>but now that it works, I am afraid to brake it..
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07:33<sigp239>Is there a way to make a live CD out of my currently installed Lenny installation?
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07:40<marcowitsch>Hi, I'm trying to boot grub from usb-stick. I alway get Errors like: "GRUB hard disk error" with one stick or "Invalid or damaged bootable partition" with another.
07:40<marcowitsch>What I did:
07:40<marcowitsch>1) created a new bootable partition
07:40<marcowitsch>2) formated with ext2
07:40<marcowitsch>3) copied stage1, e2fs_stage1_5, stage2 and any menu.lst (for testing) to /dev/usb-stick/boot/grub
07:40<marcowitsch>4) grub: root (hd1,0); setup (hd1);
07:40<marcowitsch>5) rebooted .... error
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07:42<peej_>marcowitsch, did you use grub-install?
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07:47<marcowitsch>peej_: grub-probe says: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb. Check your
07:47<jm_>marcowitsch: use grub-mkimage
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07:48<marcowitsch>jm_: where can I find this package?
07:48<jm_>marcowitsch: actually ignore me, grub-mkimage is for CD, simply use grub-install for USB
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07:52<peej_>marcowitsch, did you follow a howto or anything like that to guide you, or did you just gather the bits and hope it would work?
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07:53<marcowitsch>peej_: I followed
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07:59<marcowitsch>I'll be back.
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08:07<marcowitsch>peej_: Now after I used grub-installer but at bootup it writes the word GRUB endlessly.
08:08<Wilthril>just to know, if i have buggy drivers and i update the kernel, is there any chance that the buggy drivers will be fixed?
08:09<Wilthril>ok so it's worth the try thanks weasel :)
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08:11<dr|z3d>Wilthril: Newer kernels are seeing more and more devices supported.. always worth a try.
08:12<marcowitsch>What is /boot/grub/ for?
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08:12<Wilthril>great because the one i'm using is from 2006... >_<
08:13<weasel>which kernel are you using?
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08:15<Wilthril>currently 2.6.15
08:15<Wilthril>i'll update to the 2.6.31 kernel (at least i'll try)
08:15<Wilthril>i follow a tutorial from, it should be ok :)
08:15<weasel>Wilthril: are you on etch or lenny?
08:16<weasel>you should run lenny's 2.6.26.
08:16<weasel>try that first.
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08:17<Wilthril>ok weasel i'll try this one first
08:17<Wilthril>i was only in the extraction part so i can still change :)
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09:03<mjt>how to force gnome's ssh-agent replacement to honor `ssh-add -c', that it, to ask for confirmation before giving away keys?
09:05<mjt>it it hijacks SSH_AGENT_SOCK, it should be able to stay at least basic-feature-compatible
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10:00<Busido>nah yaklassuk a csajokat
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10:01<dpkg>hu is, like, Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
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10:01<dr|z3d>!tell Busido about hu
10:02<Busido>mucika itt vagy?
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10:02<dpkg>hu is, like, Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
10:02<dr|z3d>Busido: English here, please.
10:02<Busido>ohh okey sorry
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10:17<Wilthril>how long does it take to compile a kernel?
10:18<kooll>Wilthril: 'it depends'
10:18<Wilthril>with a 200Mhz cpu?
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10:19<Wilthril>kolter: do you have a range (5 hours? 1 day? 1 week?) ?
10:19<Wilthril>kooll: do you have a range (5 hours? 1 day? 1 week?) ?
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10:27<icebrain>Wilthril: depends on the modules you compile
10:29<Wilthril>not that much i'll say 1/3 from menuconfig (mainly network modules)
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10:31<Ikarus>Wilthril: ouch, 200Mhz, wih pretty light config, should be a few hours
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10:31<Ikarus>Wilthril: 2.6.x kernel that being
10:31*Ikarus remembers 2.2 kernels in under an hour on a 233Mhz box
10:31<Wilthril>it is a 2.6 kernel, well i hope i'll over before tomorrow noon
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10:32<Ikarus>Wilthril: depending on your local time, should be fine
10:32<Ikarus>Wilthril: though why bother compiling on such a slow box ?
10:32<Wilthril>it's because it's a different architecture than my computer
10:33<Wilthril>i'm compiling a kernel for arm cpu, so i have to do it on my arm box :)
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10:33<Ikarus>Wilthril: you can cross compile kernels
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10:34<Ikarus>Wilthril: I am currently cross compiling a mipsel kernel on a amd64 box
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10:35<Wilthril>really? damn it... ok i'll google it thanks a lot Ikarus
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10:47<faheem>hi. i'm getting an traceback at;a=shortlog
10:48<faheem>just wondering if anyone would give a crap, and if so, where i should report this.
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10:56<sten>I have two laptops, same sound-chip, but one plays sounds, one does not. how can I get sound to work?
10:56<sten>I'm using kde4 systemsettings's test to see if it works
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10:57<sten>I don't get any error messages, not on the desktop, not in dmesg. same packages for phonon, xine and alsa are installed on both
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10:57<sten>how can I find the difference?
10:58<sten>all volumes are turned up in alsa
10:58<sten>the soundcard is listed first in /proc/asound/cards
11:00<sten>modules loaded are exactly the same on both systems
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11:09<xuhainanjing>I have a question, if someone can help I will appreciate very much
11:09<xuhainanjing>is there any interface in /proc or /sys that I can use to power off the laptop lcd
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11:10<xuhainanjing>just like I can use #echo mem /sys/power/stat to suspend to ram?
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11:13<Titan8990>xuhainanjing, try ##linux
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11:13<beeboo>please how i can install debian 5 on vertiualbox
11:13<xuhainanjing>sorry, Titan8990? what you mean try ##linux
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11:13<Titan8990>xuhainanjing, oh, sorry, I thought i was in a different channel
11:14<Titan8990>xuhainanjing, i thought this was #remote-exploit on freenode....
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11:14<Titan8990>beeboo, same way you would install it on a regular machine
11:14<Titan8990>!install guide
11:14<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at and for Etch (4.0r8) at . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
11:14<Titan8990>beeboo, direct virtualbox specific questions to #virtualbox on freenode
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11:15<beeboo>i dont know how install in regular mashine this my first time
11:16<beeboo>this first time i want try debian
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11:17<sten>if aplay does not make any sound, alsa is my problem?
11:19<steffan>sten: Did you read !sound?
11:19<sten>steffan: no. how?
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11:19<dpkg>sound is, like, ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <ac97>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts>, <devdsp>, <rs>.
11:20<steffan>!tell sten -about alsa checklist
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11:20<steffan>johnfg: Hi
11:20<johnfg>hi guys
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11:20<sten>steffan: thanks
11:21<sten>hmm, I did everything listed there already, but still no sound
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11:23<sten>any other idea?
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11:25<steffan>sten: No, I don't use sound - have you looked at
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11:27<sten>steffan: no, didnt find that one. stupid thing is that it works on one laptop, but not on other. although I didnt find any differences yet (besides the ability of playing sounds)
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11:33<steffan>sten: It's the first result for 'Debian Sound' in Google, it might be a good idea to look at that. I've never had an issue with sound and at the moment I'm not using it so can't relate
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11:35<sten>steffan: I just read it, but modules were loaded, I'm already in the audio group, and dpkg-reconfigure did not change anything
11:35<sten>(I was searching for sound and kde, phonon and alsa, not debian in general)
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11:42<KangarooBox>I have a Ruby (& Rails) question. What is the best way to move to Ruby 1.9.x in Squeeze?
11:42<KangarooBox>Should I use the Ruby1.9 package or the Ruby1.9.1 package?
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11:43<steffan>KangarooBox: The current stable version is 1.9.1.
11:43<KangarooBox>If I use the Ruby1.9.1 package will it affect my future upgrades?
11:45<KangarooBox>steffan: Is there not a "psuedo" Ruby1.9.x package that would be better to use? Or should I just use Ruby1.9.1 and wait for the Ruby package to make it the default?
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11:45<KangarooBox>I guess I'm just concerned about moving to Ruby1.9.2 in the future.
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11:46<KangarooBox>and wondering if it will be supported to have two instances of Ruby (1.9.1 and 1.9.2).
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11:47<steffan>KangarooBox: 1.9.1 is currently in testing/unstable on Debian, but is stable on the Ruby website
11:49<KangarooBox>steffan: Thanks for the info.
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11:49<KangarooBox>It appears as though it wont matter though; I want to use Rails and Passenger and it looks like they are stuck in Ruby1.8 land. :(
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12:03<johnfg>steffan, How do I remove network-manager and network-manager-dispatcher from /etc/init.d?
12:03<johnfg>I'll stop them first, of course.
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12:05<Titan8990>johnfg, uninstall them or remove them from startup
12:06<Titan8990>johnfg, check out `man update-rc.d`
12:08<fgh>rcconf is a nice litle tool johnfg
12:08<johnfg>So I did update-rc.d -f network-manager remove. This won't come back, right?
12:09<johnfg>fgh, Is that a cli or a gui?
12:09<Titan8990>johnfg, no, that removed it from startup
12:10<Titan8990>if you were having problems with nm overwritting /etc/resolv.conf, that will fix it
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12:11<johnfg>Titan8990, If I want it gone (since I'll be using networking, interfaces, hosts, etc.) what do I do?
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12:12<Titan8990>johnfg, i leave it like that, if you installed the gnome meta package i think removal of nm will remove a bunch of stuff you want to keep
12:12<Titan8990>johnfg, otherwise aptitude remove network-manager
12:13<johnfg>Titan8990, OK, thanks for the help!
12:13<johnfg>The problem is that network-manager, on many distros, interferes with openldap and kerberos authentication.
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12:20<DTE>hi all
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12:21<DTE>i don't know why, but with debian i cannot use a iscsi disk
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12:21<DTE>instead with windows i can
12:22<DTE>where i can look to have more details?
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12:22<mbruins>hi, i installed debian testing and iceweasel but flashplugin-nonfree doest seem to work in combination with iceweasel. i tried to add multimedia repos and aptitude search for mozilla-plugin. sadly i could find anything accept flashplugin-nonfree (wich still does not work) can anyone help me get flash (debian testing) with iceweasel working?
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12:24<sney>mbruins: define "doesn't work"
12:25<sney>what have you tried? what are the symptoms? be specific.
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12:29<mbruins>well i iceweasel still doesnt understand flash after installing flashplugin-nonfree and now im kinda clueless
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12:56<DTE>arrgghhh...found it...multipath :-)
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13:12<xente>hey everyone, is it possible to download etch somewhere? (I know it's deprecated)
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13:14<themill>!install etch
13:14<dpkg>Links to Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ("Etch") installation images are provided at Note that Etch has been superseded by Lenny, ask me about <install lenny>. See also <errata etch> and <install guide>.
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13:23<darrob>this really sounds like a simple question, but i can't figure it out: why is there no rxvt-unicode in squeeze? or what is it called?
13:24<themill>!why is rxvt-unicode not in testing
13:24<dpkg>rxvt-unicode is not in testing for the reasons listed in
13:25<tazz>how do i figure out, how many packages are there in the debian repo?
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13:25<tazz>also is debian's repo the largest software package repository there is?
13:26<tazz>thanks themill
13:26<dpkg>Debian Distro Stats on sid... 27221 packages, 2097 maintainers, 78996 MB installed size, 28764 MB compressed size.
13:26<dpkg>Debian Distro Stats on sid... 27221 packages, 2097 maintainers, 78996 MB installed size, 28764 MB compressed size.
13:26<themill>dpkg, you're slow
13:26<dpkg>No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1!
13:26<darrob>thanks, themill. so it's really not there. interesting.
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13:28<tazz>i reckon that would make it the largest repo :)
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13:31<xente>thanks, themill
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13:33<Titan8990>tazz, it depends on what you are counting...
13:34<Titan8990>tazz, debian likely has the most *unique* packages but gentoo likely has more since the repos will hold 5 versions or more of a single package
13:35<tazz>Titan8990, yea i am looking at the quality not the quantity. :p
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13:35<xente>another question, how do you determine what release version a certain etch box is running?
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13:35<Titan8990>xente, cat /etc/debian_version
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13:36<xente>Titan8990: if it says just "4.0" does that mean no release version?
13:36<xente>you know 4.0r1....r8 etc
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13:37<Titan8990>i doubt there were different revisions to the released OS... but i wouldn't be the person to ask
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13:39<xente>anyone else know?
13:39<Titan8990>curious, what is its importance?
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13:40<themill>xente: up until lenny, debian didn't worry about marking separate releases that way as it's not really important.
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13:41<xente>ok, thanks!
13:41<Pryon>xente: look in /etc/debian.version?
13:41*Pryon scrolls up
13:45<kmap>xente: lsb_release -a?
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13:45<xente>kmap: I will try it
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14:22<ozzle>Hi, I have som problems
14:22<ozzle>How do I run an .run-file?
14:23<ozzle>Long time no debian
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14:24<ozzle>zumbi: Didn't work: bash: ./ Permission denied
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14:25<Titan8990>ozzle, sounds like you should be reading the debian fglrx guide
14:25<icebrain>chmod +x FILE ; ./FILE
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14:25<Titan8990>icebrain, ....
14:25<zumbi>ozzle maybe need root or chmod a+x <fil>
14:25<icebrain>Titan8990: what?
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14:26<Titan8990>icebrain, that may have solved the immediate problem but likely would cause the overall problem to get worse
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14:26<icebrain>Titan8990: oh, I didn't notice the file name, soz
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14:27<icebrain>Titan8990: you're right, he should read the guide
14:28<ozzle>Thanks, zumbi
14:28<icebrain>!Tell ozzle about fglrx one-liner
14:29<Titan8990>ozzle, fail if you ignored us and did it the wrong way
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14:42<ozzle>Hi again
14:42<ozzle>It didnt go so well
14:42<ozzle>Dont know whats wrong
14:42<ozzle>but it seems like the drivers for the graphics is missing
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14:43<ozzle>I have a travelmate 5530 and # ATI Radeon HD3200 graphics processor, Microsoft DirectX 10.0 support
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14:45<mib_uvasslca>hey guys
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14:46<mib_uvasslca>when you are installing debian. can you setup the dhcp connection using a wireless card or do have to use ethernet why installing
14:46<mib_uvasslca>while installing
14:48<Stereo>mib_uvasslca: short answer: it depends on your wireless card
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14:48<Stereo>mib_uvasslca: try it ?
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14:48<mib_uvasslca>got a broadcom chipset
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14:49<mib_uvasslca>i tried to do it automatically
14:49<mib_uvasslca>but it did not work when i was installing debian
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14:49<mib_uvasslca>going to install debian again to do it manually on install
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14:54<ozzle>Another question: I'm connect to myy router (wireless), now with a cable. How do I get the wireless work? So I could surf with it?
14:54<mib_uvasslca>that is what i tried yesterday after i installed debian
14:54<mib_uvasslca>only have wireless card
14:55<mib_uvasslca>did not get it to work even with all the work
14:55<steffan>!tell ozzle -about wireless
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14:55<mib_uvasslca>what chipset do you have in your wireless
14:55<mib_uvasslca>run the command: lspci
14:56<mib_uvasslca>should give you a list of pci devices in your computer
14:56<mib_uvasslca>also run the command iwconfig to see it is installed on your machine
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15:00<mib_uvasslca>ozzle: anyluck?
15:01<ozzle>Not really
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15:02<mib_uvasslca>with what did you have no luck
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15:04<Cadmium01>It's possible to set slave Hard drive as first boot device right?
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15:07<trman>anybody knows how to make pidgin work with google voice/video in lenny? Is backports version enough? Some packages shown here can't be found
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15:14<peej_>trman, is google voice/video supposed to run in linux?
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15:15<trman>peej_ : yeah, it is now, through pidgin, I don't think directly
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15:22<peej_>chat works, but voice and video? Can you paste a URL that claims that please?
15:23<steffan>trman: Pidgin supports Google Talk. Backported packages are available for Lenny and Etch
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15:23*peej_ searches...
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15:28<themill>pidgin on bpo has voice/video disabled. See
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15:43<trman>steffan: has everything needed been backported? I couldn't find some packages that are needed (according to
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15:44<steffan>trman: themill commented on voice/video being disabled for Pidgin in backports
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15:45<trman>steffan: crap, not good news for me
15:46<trman>steffan: did themill say anything else to get around it?
15:47<steffan>trman: Pidign (with voice/video disabled) is backported for Lenny/Etch, though
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15:47<steffan>trman: No - he pointed out 27 -!- Xenguy [] has joined #debian
15:47<steffan>trman:, even
15:47<themill>trman: it's pretty much impossible to get all the packages backported to lenny for pidgin's voice/video to work.
15:48<themill>trman: the list of packages you need for a pidgin backport: cdbs libsilc-dev libgirepository1.0-dev libgstreamer0.10-dev libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev python-central python-gst0.10-dev libglib2.0-dev libgupnp-1.0-dev libgupnp-igd-1.0-dev libnice-dev libgstfarsight0.10-dev libass-dev libdca-dev libdirac-dev libgme-dev libkate-dev libmimic-dev liboil0.3-dev libschroedinger-dev gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad libproxy-dev libsoup-gnome2.4-dev libltdl-dev
15:48<themill>libasound2-dev bluez libsndfile libpulse-dev gstreamer0.10-plugins-good pidgin
15:48<trman>steffan: yeah, i got that already, but i was looking precisely for voice/video, do you guys know if linphone does a comparable job?
15:48<themill>(and you really don't want to be backporting all those packages....)
15:48<trman>themill: i imagine would be a nightmare with dependencies
15:49<trman>themill, steffan: thanks for all the info
15:49<wmd>china channel is quiet very much!
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15:50<themill>trman: yeah, backporting things like libasound and gstreamer is asking for trouble. It's pretty much guaranteed to break other random stuff on the box
15:50<steffan>wmd: We can help, if you can try and speak in English
15:50<steffan>trman: No problem
15:51<wmd>I'm trying to learn English!
15:51<trman>themill, steffan: how is sid these days? I am wondering if I should venture, I used to run sid mostly until one day that it broke everything (about 2 years ago) and I decided to stay stable, getting too old and too little time for this
15:51<trman>(me timeless old chap)
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15:52<peej_>trman: there is ekiga for voice/vid in linux
15:52<themill>I don't touch sid except for chroots to build things. I prefer to just get on with work rather than unbreaking things again.
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15:52<steffan>trman: I use Debian on servers thus only ever run stable versions
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15:52<trman>peej_ : i will check ekiga, havent touched for about 4 or 5 years, hmm
15:53<peej_>trman, in backports the voice vid runs fine in lenny.
15:53<peej_>ekiga version 3.2.5-1~bpo50+1
15:54<trman>thanks peej_ , will check that
15:54<themill>peej_: you're refering to ekiga not pidgin
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15:54<Marct>Anyone familiar with mdadm? My debian router's main software raid is only partially working now. (Worked for years, and **I** messed it up) Whenever I create the array on one harddrive using "missing", it doesn't start when I switch to the other harddrive. Oddly enough, the same RAID1 setup for swap space is working fine.
15:54<Marct>Alternatively, is there a way to switch the root filesystem to another device while running? That's something I don't know how to do (if possible) and may fix the problem.
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15:55<peej_>trman, there's also an approach with something called prism, apparently, as described in
15:56<wmd>for linux,foreign countries's learning atmosphere is better than china!
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15:58<peej_>marct, never mend what isn't broken is something I've learnt the hard way too.
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16:00<Woet>is it possible to assign certain processes to certain CPU cores?
16:00<Woet>any hint/name/manual?
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16:01<Marct>can anyone advise on my prob pls?
16:01<peej_>marct, maybe you can replicate the boot and raid configuration in a virtual system and learn how to fix it that way?
16:01<Ganneff>Woet: schedtool
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16:04<overflow>Hi, Im trying to build a livedvd using live-installer and squashfs images. Everything works ok , but I cannot find the way to create the user defined in the debian-installer and neither set the root password.
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16:06<wmd>go to bed, bye
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16:07<steffan>What happens when a gpg key is revoked? Do keyservers notice and remove the key?
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16:09<Mr-R>steffan: they should tell, that the key is revoked.
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16:11<steffan>Mr-R: But it will still be visable/listed?
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16:12<Mr-R>steffan: i hope so. if its not listed anymore, who could tell the difference of a revoked key and another key, which was never uploaded?
16:13<steffan>Mr-R: Is there a way to delete a key so that it is not shown anywhere?
16:13<Mr-R>steffan: nope. but depends on the keyserver. i am no expert on those... :)
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16:14<steffan>I'm wanting to delete an old key that is still visable in numerous online lookups for keyservers, it has an old email address listed on it
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16:18<phill>hey how the devil are you all
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16:18<Mr-R>steffan: revoking should tell everyone, that the key (and the address) are no longer in use. or you could sign your old key with something like "my-new-address-is..."@your-new-domain
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16:33<seb_kuzminsky>how do i tell apt to never uninstall a particular package?
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16:34<seb_kuzminsky>i have a locally-produced package that depends on specific versions of the regular packages
16:34<seb_kuzminsky>but when a newer version of one of these depended-upon packages becomes available, "apt-get dist-upgrade" uninstalls my package to upgrade the normal package
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16:35<seb_kuzminsky>i'd prefer it to hold the normal package at the specified version
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16:35<dpkg>hmm... hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database.
16:35<seb_kuzminsky>themill: thanks
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16:36<seb_kuzminsky>hm, that's almost but not exactly what i want
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16:37<seb_kuzminsky>it's ok to upgrade *my* package when i make a new version, it
16:37<seb_kuzminsky>it's *not* ok to remove my package
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16:37<seb_kuzminsky>"hold" will prevent upgrading, right?
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16:43<icebrain>hold will prevent automatic upgrading, not manual. If your package is locally produced, you shouldn't have any problems, afaik
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16:44<seb_kuzminsky>icebrain: so "apt-get dist-upgrade" will not touch a package marked "hold", but "apt-get install $PACKAGE" will upgrade it?
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16:45<seb_kuzminsky>yes, that's how it behaves
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16:49<seb_kuzminsky>that's a step forward from where i was, but i'm hoping for something even better
16:49<seb_kuzminsky>it'd be great if my package could be automatically upgraded but not removed
16:50<seb_kuzminsky>is there maybe some way to do that with apt_preferences/pinning?
16:50<jackyf>try specifying big positive pin nubmer for the given version of the package
16:51<themill>seb_kuzminsky: pinning at 1001 would be the approach. /msg dpkg pinning
16:51<seb_kuzminsky>wont that pin the specified version in place? that'd behave like a hold, right?
16:52<themill>I'd be pinning the package not a specific version
16:52<seb_kuzminsky>i've played around with pinning a bit, i've read all the things the dpkg bot just told me about, and none of them worked the way i want (but maybe i just dont understand what i'm doing)
16:53<themill>seb_kuzminsky: pinning never quite does.... it's quirky
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16:56<seb_kuzminsky>how do you pin a package without pinning it to a specific version?
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16:57<seb_kuzminsky>i tried "Package: my-pkg", "Pin: release stable", "Pin-Priority: 1100", and it still wants to uninstall it and upgrade its dependencies
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17:00<seb_kuzminsky>i tried "Pin: version *", and it still wants to uninstall it
17:00<themill>seb_kuzminsky: your Pin: line is wrong. (use "apt-cache policy my-pkg" to see it at work)
17:00<themill>seb_kuzminsky: wildcards aren't really supported
17:00<seb_kuzminsky>the apt_preferences manpage says wildcards are allowed in the version string
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17:01<seb_kuzminsky>apt-cache policy shows the package pinned to the current version, so that's good
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17:03<seb_kuzminsky>i added "-o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true" to my "apt-get dist-upgrade"
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17:03<seb_kuzminsky>it shows that apt detects the conflict: my-pkg depends on a specific version of other-pkg, but a newer version of other-pkg is available, and it chooses to upgrade other-pkg and remove my-pkg :-(
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17:07<seb_kuzminsky>here's what i typed:
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17:21<Marct>I got a shiny new Samsung SSD, and I'm setting up Debian on it. I'm considering using XFS in combination with the deadline scheduler. Thoughts? The important criteria for me are (in order) performance, reliability, power usage (i.e. CPU usage).
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17:24<KjetilK>Marct, wasn't there a hot new filesystem specifically designed for SSDs?
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17:24<Marct>I'm not a stickler for details, I just want to avoid doing something daft.
17:25<Marct> XFS handles sudden power-offs pretty well, right?
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17:27<timeoh>goooood evening
17:27<Marct>I'd like my FS to be as durable as possible.
17:27<timeoh>i have a question concerning the midnight commander
17:27<Marct> I know that JFS handles that like a champ.
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17:28<timeoh>there are some files, that are marked with an asterisk
17:28<timeoh>for example *myfile.whatever
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17:31<timeoh>the files which are marked with an asterisk are on an ftp server. if i copy the files to the local disk, there are also asterisks in the filename.
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17:31<KjetilK>Marct, I don't know a lot about, but there is a lot of buzz with stuff like
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17:39<pacifica>timeoh: whats your question?
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17:55<timeoh>you know midnight commander
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17:56<timeoh>on the righ panel
17:56<timeoh>i have a ftp connection
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17:56<timeoh>on the left my local disc
17:57<timeoh>alright... the whole files in a directory on the left site (the ftp site) are marked with an asterisk (*)
17:57<timeoh>and in a lighter green
17:57<timeoh>what does it stand for, that they are marked with an asterisk?
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17:57<timeoh>i have never seen it before
17:58<pacifica>it means the files are marked "executable".
17:58<timeoh>thats all???
17:58<timeoh>quite easy :D
17:58<pacifica>do "ls -al" and you'll see what I mean
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17:58<timeoh>yes ill try it
18:01<timeoh>i dont understand. yes they are executable... but other files in the file server have the same restrictions and they have no asterisk
18:01<timeoh>rights not restrictions
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18:04<pacifica>post details
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18:06<akis_> /server 6667 andy
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18:09<GrayThunder>how do I get leeny to recognize my cdrom and cdR/W?
18:09<GrayThunder>lenny even
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18:20<ymorin>sudo recognize-my-cdrom
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18:20<pacifica>anyone here with experience with debugging ltsp problems?
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18:22<Pryon>GrayThunder: is there anything at all about the drive in dmesg?
18:22<GrayThunder>ymorin: doesn't exist
18:22<GrayThunder>Pryon: no
18:24<Pryon>GrayThunder: is there something unusual about the drive? What type of drive is it (SATA, IDE)?
18:24<GrayThunder>Pryon: both drives are IDE
18:24<Pryon>I assume your fixed disk is correctly detected
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18:25<ymorin>detected by BIOS?
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18:25<timeoh>@pacifia: yes for sure you are right
18:25<GrayThunder>ymorin: yes
18:25<Pryon>GrayThunder: so dmesg|grep CD returns nothing?
18:25<GrayThunder>Pryon: correct
18:25<timeoh>they are executable. i compared some other files and their rights with the one who have the asterisk
18:26<Pryon>you've plumbed the (admittedly shallow) depths of my knowledge, then
18:26<GrayThunder>dmesg | grep hdc (or hdd) return nothing as well\
18:26<pacifica>@timeoh... mc lists executable files with an '*'
18:26<timeoh>yes yes
18:26<timeoh>your are right
18:26<pacifica>so what is your Q?
18:26<timeoh>that was my question
18:27<pacifica>good :-)
18:27<timeoh>you answered my question
18:27<Pryon>GrayThunder: what about just hd (instead of hdc, hdd)
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18:28<GrayThunder>dmesg | grep hd returns only info about my hda (primary HD)
18:29<timeoh>that was my question. i am using MC not that long. an till today i have never seen the astersik in front of an file. i was a lol bit confused. i thought it is a special sign or whatever for an ftp connection.
18:29<timeoh>thats all nothing special. ;)
18:30<Pryon>GrayThunder: just for grins, could you try 'dmesg | grep sd' ?
18:30<ymorin>according to info ls, --classify add /@*| * for regular executable file
18:30<GrayThunder>will do
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18:31<ymorin> `-F' or `--classify' or `--indicator-style=classify'
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18:32<GrayThunder>dmesg | grep sd retuns info on an "Attached SCSI removable disk" but doesn't tell me that it is a CDROM
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18:33<GrayThunder>Pryon: and there is no mention of a sdb, only an sda
18:33<Pryon>Try throwing in a CD and see if you can't mount it as /dev/sda1
18:33<GrayThunder>will do
18:35<pacifica>@GrayThunder: try mount /dev/sr0 /mnt
18:35<GrayThunder>Pryon: ummm. that is my iPod connected to sda
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18:41<GrayThunder>!cat /etc/fstab | grep cdrom
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18:44<GrayThunder>etc/fstab: /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,no auto 0 0
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18:44<pacifica>try mount /dev/hdd
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18:45<GrayThunder>actually that should be /dev/hdc
18:45<jpinx-eeepc>GrayThunder: try fdisk -l
18:45<GrayThunder>I have tried mounting hdd and hdc and niether exist in /dev
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18:46<pacifica> mknod /dev/hdd b 64 5
18:46<pacifica>have a look first in /dev
18:46<GrayThunder>only /dev/hda is listed when I do fdisk -l
18:46<pacifica>ls -al /dev/hd*
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18:47<jpinx-eeepc>GrayThunder: lshal ?
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18:49<GrayThunder> /dev/has hda, hda1, hda2, hda5 ONLY
18:49<pacifica>what is hda
18:49<pacifica>ls -al /dev/hda
18:49<GrayThunder>primary HD
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18:51<GrayThunder>brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 0 2009-10-08 16:24 /dev/hda
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18:53<Chetic>heh I boot up without X now for some reason and when I do startx I only get the standard screen with the X cursor and no window manager. How do I get the login screen?
18:53<GrayThunder>jpinx-eeepc: what do I look for in lshal
18:55<pacifica>@GrayThunder: try: mknod hdd b 22 64
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18:55<pacifica>/dev/hdd that is
18:55<pacifica>then: mount /dev/hdd
18:55<abrotman>Chetic: did you install a window manager? which one do you want to use?
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18:57<Chetic>abrotman: I basically just did the standard installation which presents the login-screen on bootup (worked fine every time till now) I think I want gdm? pretty sure that's the default one
18:57<Chetic>abrotman: sorry I meant gnome
18:57<abrotman>Chetic: aptitude install gdm gnome xorg
18:58<GrayThunder>pacifica: you must specify file system type
18:58<Chetic>abrotman: I was pretty sure I already had those.. but the fact that it's installing means I didn't, right?
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19:00<abrotman>or didn't have all
19:00<pacifica>@GrayThunder: what does dmesg | grep sd return?
19:01<GrayThunder>pacifica: only info on my iPod whis is plugged in
19:01<kop>Chetic: Right. aptitude search '~i' shows you what's installed.
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19:03<pacifica>@GrayThunder: seems like your cd is not detected by the system.... you're saying its IDE?
19:04<pacifica>Which channel? Primary/secondary? Master/slave?
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19:04<pacifica>can you boot (a debian cd) from it?
19:04<pacifica>or ubuntu live?
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19:04<GrayThunder>pacifica: IDE, secondary, master is cdrom, slave is cdr/rw
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19:05<GrayThunder>pacifica: i installed from the cdrom (secondary/master)
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19:06<panv>please i need some help.. i cannot make kismet work correctly. i believe the problem is in the configuration file... i appreciate any help
19:06<pacifica>@panv: if you expect anybody to help you, you will need to give sufficient information....
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19:07<panv>pacifica, ask and i will answer.
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19:08<pacifica>@GrayThunder: I'd recommend to boot from a Debian Live CD ( and see what that does.
19:08<GrayThunder>pacifica: I will be back. I am going to try to boot from CD and see what happens. :)
19:09<pacifica>@panv: it doesn't work like that - you need make an effort to give sufficient data
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19:09<pacifica>unless you want to pay me of course :-)
19:09<panv>pacifica, i will pay you :P
19:09<panv>if i run kismet, i get the following
19:09<pacifica>yeah right
19:09<abrotman>i can't believe people still use "@" in IRC ...
19:09<panv>FATAL: No packsources were enabled. Make sure that if you use an enablesource line that you specify the correct sources.
19:10<pacifica>@abrotman@: habits
19:10<abrotman>dumb one ..
19:10<pacifica>wiring into me fingersl\
19:10<abrotman>panv: has it ever worked? are you sure it works with the driver for your wifi card?
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19:11<panv>i am not sure abrotman ...
19:11<abrotman>there were two questions
19:11<panv>and it's a fresh install.. it has never worked with this install
19:11<panv>but it has worked on my last hardware..
19:11<panv>how can i get the type of my wireless ?/
19:11<pacifica>@panv: sorry won't answer any questions that return lots of hits when you search for it (google)
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19:12<abrotman>panv: is it PCI or USB ?
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19:12<panv>abrotman, ... it's built inside my laptop
19:12<panv>but i don't know the source
19:12<abrotman>panv: lspci -nn .. look for your device
19:12<panv>i believe i have to modify
19:12<panv>yes sir.. :D
19:13<abrotman>are you going to share?
19:14<panv>03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection [8086:4237]
19:14<panv>is it the one ?
19:14<abrotman>Kismet is a 802.11b wireless network sniffer. It is capable of sniffing using almost any supported wireless card using the Airo, HostAP, Wlan-NG, and Orinoco (with a kernel patch) drivers.
19:14<abrotman>not sure if that means it would work with your device or not ?
19:14<panv>so, what should i do now />?
19:15<abrotman>try to figure out if it would work with your device first
19:15<panv>how ????????????????? i don't know what to do next abrotman !!~
19:16<abrotman>look on the kismet website?
19:16<panv>but what is my device ??
19:16<panv>is it 5100 AGN ??
19:16<panv>is that a device ?
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19:16<panv>i will do some effort.. and get back here later.
19:17*abrotman feels like he had this discussion a few months ago
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19:28<Aleric>whats that application called that I can use to cut a part out of .wav ?
19:28<abrotman>there is audacity .. if you want a GUI
19:29<Aleric>ah yes thanks
19:29<Keepsake>How about super?
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19:30<panv>abrotman, i didnt' know what to do
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19:31<abrotman>didn't or don't ?
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19:33<panv>didn't/don't hihihihihi
19:33<panv>i tried.. but couldn't see anything
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19:33<panv>abrotman, ... please..
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19:38<abrotman>panv: try #kismet on
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19:39<Chetic>How come I can't uninstall rhythmbox without uninstalling Gnome?!
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19:41<dpkg>Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>.
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19:42<ptr>Chetic: also, "gnome" is a metapackage that exists only to depend on things. You won't actually be removing gnome unless you uninstall "gnome-desktop-environment"
19:42<ptr>I believe
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19:42<Chetic>well ya just told me to do that :p wth
19:42<ptr>I should read before I hit "enter"
19:42<prahal>you can do the unmark via aptitude by pressing "m" or "+" on the package you want to keep (easiest is to go to the metapackage and expand all the packages to unmarkauto them
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19:55<Chetic>okay I really tried but I don't get it
19:56<Chetic>I want to remove rhythmbox without removing gnome
19:56<pacifica>chetic: why?
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19:57<pacifica>you may want to consider selecting a different standard player (assuming that is what you want)
19:57<pacifica>and then simply leave rhythmbox installed (but doing nothing)
19:57<prahal>Chetic, you mean you expand the packages in the dependencies of the metapackage (gnome) then press "M" on them and it does not remove the "A"
19:57<pacifica>then you don't have to fiddle with the package dependencies.
19:57<prahal>in aptitude
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19:59<Chetic>prahal: do you mean I need to remove the A of all packages under the gnome category?
20:00<prahal>no the gnome package (metapackage)
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20:00<Chetic>ah all A's under gnome gone now
20:01<prahal>metapackage is an empty package with only the dependency information
20:01<prahal>then you can now remove "gnome" package and "rhythmbox" and you are done
20:01<prahal>the metapackage contains nothing regarding programs or data , only dependencies
20:02<Chetic>oh but removing gnome doesn't remove all packages under it? where do they go then?
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20:03<prahal>Chetic : if you remove the "A" (automatic) they will stay there having been marked as installed by the user so not automatically removed
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20:04<prahal>you ll have to remove rhythmbox by manual action '-' for removal or '_' for purge
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20:06<Chetic>I'm sorry but.. all A's from gnome are gone
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20:06<Chetic>but when I try to remove either gnome or rhythmbox it wants to remove lots of other stuff
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20:07<adb>!remove gnome
20:07<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 1.x, use aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or use purge accordingly).
20:07<Chetic>when I say remove I mean pressing '-'
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20:07<Chetic>I don't want to remove gnome..
20:08<prahal>only the gnome metapackage , well maybe the recommands needs to have their "A" removed too if those are those told ot be removed
20:09<Chetic>ah, looking into that
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20:12<Chetic>I have like a folder called gnome with 110 packages
20:12<Chetic>is that what you mean by the metapackage?
20:14<prahal>no the package "gnome" is an individual package of its own
20:14<Chetic>oh you mean the one that's 20kb
20:15<prahal>probably , should be very small as it contains no programs nor data
20:17<Chetic>aaah there we go! thanks for being so patient with me :)
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20:35<administrator>any1 kno the channel for ubuntu?
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20:39<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
20:40<ichdasich>administrator: wow... it's #ubuntu... who'd have thought THAT! -.-'
20:40<abrotman>but it's on Freenode
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21:50<shadowless_egg>can someone give me some instructions on how to install debian on a usb drive via mac osx
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21:51<shadowless_egg>and dont give me that usb thing in the guide
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21:58<philippeservet>bjr. eth0 non gérée sur squezze et pourtant fonctionnelle???
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22:03<shadowless_egg>can someone give me some instructions on how to install debian on a usb drive via mac osx
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22:10<navin_johnson>is pci pass through possible with a stock 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 kernel?
22:11*arriesp bye
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22:17<navin_johnson>anyone familiar with xen?
22:18<overddose>wait, is it normal for your system to boot to a terminal only when you update to squeeze?
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22:23<overddose>anyone? :[
22:23<navin_johnson>xorg is borked?
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22:24<hendaus>please help!
22:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
22:25<hendaus>how can i install the driver -> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 65x/M650/740 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter
22:25<overddose>find the linux drivers from somwhere
22:26<overddose>then compile ;/
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22:27<abrotman>hendaus: lspci -nn | grep VGA .. probably help morre
22:27<overddose>abrotman, you run squeeze?
22:27<abrotman>does it matter ?
22:27<overddose>yes :[
22:28<abrotman>overddose: what is your video card?
22:28<abrotman>is xorg and some DM installed ?
22:28<hendaus>abrotman, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 65x/M650/740 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter [1039:6325]
22:28<overddose>idk, i just threw together some scrap stuff.
22:28<abrotman>judd: xorg 1039:6325
22:28<judd>abrotman: In lenny, device 1039:6325 is matched by xorg driver: 'sis'.
22:28<abrotman>says should work with sis
22:28<abrotman>overddose: lspci -nn | grep VGA
22:29<overddose>eh, video card isnt my problem. my problem is configuring my wireless lan card.
22:29<overddose>so i went to squeeze so i could use wicd last night.
22:29<abrotman>huh ?
22:29<abrotman>so X works ?
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22:30<abrotman>overddose: what problem are you trying to solve .. right now
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22:32<overddose>i need to use my wireless lan card, but i cant configure it in anything. it shows up as an ethernet device. and when i try to connect to my router using the right information, it tries for a little while, then network manager disappears from my bar :/
22:32<abrotman>and your X is broken ?
22:33<overddose>by x you mean...
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22:43<overddose>wlan0 --- Type = Ethernet
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22:44<abrotman>my wifi is eth1
22:44<overddose>i cant
22:44<overddose>find which one
22:44<overddose>it is
22:44<abrotman>dmesg is helpful
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22:49<overddose>rtl8169 now apparently.
22:49<overddose>but, its still supported.
22:49<overddose>bullet = dodged.
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22:51<overddose>abrotman: if its in the kernel for 2.6, yet i am still having trouble getting it to work, should i go back and install the drivers for it?
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22:52<gsimmons>overddose: The RTL8169 is a gigabit Ethernet chipset, it isn't your wireless LAN.
22:53<overddose>then rtl8187 = wireless lan.
22:54<overddose>this is still a problem.
22:54<overddose>and its very annoying.
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23:00<overddose>gsimmons: any ideas on what i can do to fix my problem?
23:01<gsimmons>overddose: I'm still trying to determine what your problem is. Is your device not configurable in NetworkManager or through /etc/network/interfaces?
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23:01<overddose>well, network manager didnt help me at all, and i dont know what to do in interfaces
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23:03<overddose>loopback is the only thing that exists in the interfaces file :/
23:03<Hideo>man interfaces , it is very helpful
23:04<gsimmons>overddose: Are you attempting to connect to a WPA-encrypted access point?
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23:04<gsimmons>overddose: See for an example procedure.
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23:07<overddose>gsimmons: why does wlan0 show up as an ethernet device in network monitor?
23:08<gsimmons>overddose: No idea.
23:09<overddose>lol. if it doesnt work after this. idk what im gonna do. probably take debian off this laptop and put it on my desktop.
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23:15<overddose>gsimmons: what is the command to copy things to a location as root?
23:16<overddose>sudo copy /./home/****/Desktop/?
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23:17<gsimmons>overddose: man cp ; note that sudo isn't enabled by default on Debian systems.
23:18<overddose>duly noted :D thx
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23:26<overddose>ok. i did ifup wlan0
23:26<overddose>now what should i use to connect to my network :P
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23:27<Hideo>overddose: so you're using interfaces only right, no network manager interference?
23:28<MikeeUSA>Hideo, where is #debian-women
23:28<sney>probably freenode
23:28<MikeeUSA>I would like to ask if it is the kitchen
23:28-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
23:28<MikeeUSA>and if a "sammitch" can be made for me
23:28-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*] by abrotman
23:28-!-MikeeUSA was kicked from #debian by abrotman [MikeeUSA]
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23:28<overddose>hideo: not that i know of.
23:28<overddose>but wicd is running.
23:28<Hideo>wtf was that about?
23:29<abrotman>he's a known troll
23:29<abrotman>he'll be back i'm sure
23:29<Hideo>overddose: oh, nvm then, I dunno about wicd or network manager
23:29<sney>abrotman: actually he's /msging me
23:29<overddose>how can i specify what access point to use.
23:29<overddose>hai sney :D
23:29<abrotman>sney: i'd suggest ignoring him
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23:30<Hideo>overddose: if you use ifup/down system only, read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz
23:31<sney>abrotman: well, yeah.
23:31<Hideo>overddose: I don't know how good the integration of wicd or nm is with interfaces, if at all, maybe someone can help, but I would suggest to only use one method and not mix them
23:31<sney>network-manager and interfaces conflict
23:32<sney>but I'm fairly certain wicd can coexist with interfaces
23:32<overddose>network manager is horrid so i removed it fully.
23:32<sney>the wiki would know better than I do
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23:33<overddose>anybody know if its possible to change debian to where it doesnt open a new folder everytime i click on it, instead, i would rather it do what winblows does :P
23:34<sney>that'll be in your window manager settings somewhere
23:35<overddose>i installed squeeze
23:36<sney>I am completely surprised that your wifi issue is still an issue at this point, overddose. I don't know where to go.
23:36<overddose>when i installed, squeeze, is it normal that it removed gnome?
23:36<Hideo>what was the issue, connecting to wpa network?
23:36<sney>last system I used with an 8187B worked perfectly after moving up to squeeze/2.6.30
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23:37<overddose>sney, i dont think i installed squeeze correctly, as it booted to a terminal, so i reinstalled gnome, and i couldnt use the update-from-grub-legacy command :/
23:37<sney>The issue was that the nic appeared to be recognized fully by the kernel, but was unable to even detect any access points.
23:38<overddose>im on the older kernel, i wanted to ask a question XD
23:38<overddose>but if being on .30 will fix it...
23:38<sney>Xorg weirdness is sometimes a side-effect of an upgrade but that shouldn't affect networking
23:38<overddose>opposite of hai.
23:39<sney>it also means "yes" in Basque.
23:39<overddose>bai =/= hai however hai = hi and bai = bye
23:39<sney>"hai" also means "yes" in Japanese.
23:39<overddose>sney. damn you and your knowledge...
23:39<sney>What can I say, I'm an information sponge.
23:39<gsimmons>overddose: If you upgraded to Squeeze, what kernel are you currently using? (uname -r)
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23:40<overddose>i booted into the older one to ask a question, i didnt think the new .30 would work :/
23:40<gsimmons>overddose: The RTL8187B wasn't supported by the rtl8187 driver until kernel 2.6.27.
23:40<overddose>brb anhero.
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23:41<sney>or you could just reboot into 2.6.30
23:41<sney>I mean, since it should be there now
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23:44<MikeeUSA>If you see any of the geekfeminists, or linuxchix, etc please forward them this
23:44<MikeeUSA>The prerogative of a Man is to find for himself a mate. So much as he avoids taking another man’s mate, no barrier (legal or customary) should be placed to obstruct him.
23:44<MikeeUSA>Females should be married off to men once said females are able to have children (usually at age 12, 13, or 14.)
23:44<MikeeUSA>The “penalty” for the rape of a young unmarried female should be that she is awarded to the man as a permanent wife of his (As stated in Deuteronomy 22)
23:44<MikeeUSA>Men should rape their wives at will.
23:44-!-MikeeUSA was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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23:45<MikeeUSA>:End Quote
23:45<MikeeUSA>or forward them to
23:45<sney>!ops hey look it's that sexist troll guy again
23:45<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: hey look it's that sexist troll guy again
23:45<MikeeUSA>they seem to like said weblog for some reason, they love to mention it in theirs
23:46<MikeeUSA>sney, it's not trolling if you believe it
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23:46<MikeeUSA>Females should be married off to men once said females are able to have children (usually at age 12, 13, or 14.)
23:46<MikeeUSA>The “penalty” for the rape of a young unmarried female should be that she is awarded to the man as a permanent wife of his (As stated in Deuteronomy 22)
23:46<sney>it's trolling if the point is to get a reaction out of people
23:46<MikeeUSA>Men should rape their wives at will.
23:46<Hideo>shouldn't the sexist troll join #ubuntu instead of #debian, talk about wrong target audience
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23:46<sney>trolls just like places with large populations
23:47<sney>best chance of someone totally flipping out, man
23:47<MikeeUSA>Hideo, indeed, if I was trolling
23:47<sney>hush MikeeUSA, the adults are talking
23:47<sney>sick comeback bro
23:48<MikeeUSA>you were like bla, and I busted out the ace of spade.
23:48<MikeeUSA>Spade Ace
23:48<MikeeUSA>Let me go talk to HR now
23:49<MikeeUSA>mother fucker racist'd me
23:49<sney>HR? the Bad Brains guy?
23:49<MikeeUSA>human resources
23:49<MikeeUSA>you know, the guys that "hire" opensource programmers
23:49<MikeeUSA>maybe they will stop hiring sexists (or racists)
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23:50<MikeeUSA>I read this great article on about how the opensource HR department should hire more women and kick out sexists.
23:50<MikeeUSA>It moved me.
23:51<MikeeUSA>I was like "yea, fucking fire those sexist men like in any other industy"
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23:51<MikeeUSA>I mean, the solution was so simple, like duh, why don't these chauvinist pice of shits in opensource understand?
23:51<MikeeUSA>This Dyke "Skud", she's amazing.
23:52<MikeeUSA>She even posted about dyke rights today, I was so proud.
23:52<MikeeUSA>really with it too
23:52<MikeeUSA>her and her other grrls really have it together
23:52<MikeeUSA>here's their plan for fixing the free software world
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23:53<MikeeUSA>1. More women at confrences, but no men telling them they like them or think they're pretty or anything (fucking harrasment)
23:53<MikeeUSA>2. More moderation on news groups, mailing lists, etc (one sexist comment from a man, BOOM GONE)
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23:54<MikeeUSA>3. The "outing" of sexists: hey, if the real world knows you're a sexist man: no more jobs for you LOL
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23:54<MikeeUSA>4. The Jailing if possible of sexists (jail is a good place)
23:55<MikeeUSA>5. Restriction of privileges for sexists in contributing to opensource (if you can't contribute because you are a sexist, maybe you'll learn)
23:55<MikeeUSA>6. Paying women. A good way to get more women into opensource is to pay them.
23:55<MikeeUSA>That's it
23:55<MikeeUSA>that will fix the men problem
23:56<johnj>I desire tips on how to improve the design of my site
23:56<MikeeUSA>johnj, 1: stop being a sexist
23:56<sney>!ops man it sure is troll in here
23:56<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: man it sure is troll in here
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23:56<MikeeUSA>2. Give us your given name so we can have you put in jail
23:56<MikeeUSA>3. Think about your sexism for ten years
23:56<MikeeUSA>johnj, does that help?
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23:57<Hideo>haha, sney but he's kinda funny =P
23:57<MikeeUSA>sney, I'm just helping him in the new era.
23:57<MikeeUSA>I mean, it's the 21st century
23:57<Hideo>sney: just don't feed him
23:57<MikeeUSA>and OSS is like it's in the SEVENTH century.
23:58<MikeeUSA>"Do women have souls?" "Does opensource women?"
23:58<MikeeUSA>see ?
23:59<MikeeUSA>great site
23:59<MikeeUSA>I highly recommend it
23:59<MikeeUSA>mainly because they devoted a large post to me.
23:59<MikeeUSA> is a good runner-up
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