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01:06<k1lumin4t1>good desktop/web-based fre software tools for project management and collaborative work?
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02:39<shihui>Anyone help to me to buy a cell-phone,the Model is "SAMSUNG sgh-i560", there is no this phone in my country...thanks. E-MAIL/
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02:40<locklace>!lart shihui
02:40*dpkg --purges shihui
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03:14<urbinek>hi, i;ve got problem with conky compiling >>
03:14<urbinek>any ideas /
03:14<urbinek>? *
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03:16<jm_>try installing libinotifytools0-dev
03:17<jm_>actually forget that, i'd say this needs new glibc
03:20<urbinek>so what now ?
03:20<urbinek>no new conky until glibc update ?
03:20<jm_>see if you can build it without that
03:21<urbinek>i cant,
03:21<jm_>check if there's a configure switch to disable inotify support
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03:25<urbinek>--disable-inotify didn't work
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03:31<urbinek>k, i'll just wait for new glibc
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03:33<urbinek>and one more thing, when i wanna install mplayer dependences via apt-get it tries to remove nvidia-glx, i'm using it as video driver, i can remove and install it but it is pain in the a** ;) >>
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03:39<korang>i'm install samba winbind kerberos... config all files. I'm can login with domain (win2k3) user (domain admin), but i'm can't logined with local root or local user. HEEELP. I'm cant use sudo or su......
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03:50<korang>help me (
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03:50<p1n0>hello! how to install rar in lenny?
03:53<dpkg>[rar] Roshal ARchive, a proprietary archive format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst archive format ever. To extract RAR3 files (the most common archive version), use either the "rar" or "unrar" programs in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" is unable to extract RAR3 files. Install the 'rar' package to create RAR files.
03:53<korang>icebrain: help me
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03:54<icebrain>korang: what do you need?
03:54<korang>i'm cant use root
03:54<icebrain>you can't "su"?
03:54<korang>i'm instaal samba winbind kb5, configure it
03:55<korang>i'n can now logined domain user (win2k3)
03:55<icebrain>so what's exactly the problem?
03:55<korang>but i'm cant use local root & user
03:56<icebrain>what does it tell you when you try?
03:56<korang>ECOEN-VVV\balashov.a@balashov:~$ su -
03:56<korang>su: Permission denied
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04:01<icebrain>korang: what if you try to login directly as root? I mean, switch to a VT (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and try login: root and put the root password
04:02<korang>login incorrect
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04:18<p1n0>dillo repository for lenny?
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04:26<costash>nfigure sendmail
04:27<costash>how do you configure sendmail
04:28<costash>Could anybody help me to configure sendmail?
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04:31<EmleyMoor>costash: Are you sure you want actual sendmail?
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04:31<costash>if not sendmail, what?
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04:34<locklace>costash: there is a 1000 page o'reilly book on sendmail configuration. that is your best, and probably only, hope if you really want to descend into those particular depths
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04:41<costash>EmleyMoor: What do you suggest to use for an email server?
04:41<EmleyMoor>I use exim
04:42<costash>locklace: What should i use for an e-mail server?
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04:43<icebrain>damn ubuntu freeloaders, they correct bugs but don't bother to inform upstream :|
04:43<costash>EmleyMoor: Where can I find some information on setting up exim?
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04:44<costash>EmleyMoore: Thanks.
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04:45<boknoy>hi guys, is there a way to update another Linux's /boot when apt installs a new kernel? using grub-legacy btw
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04:46<icebrain>update-grub, I guess
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04:47<boknoy>I'm confused... really
04:48<boknoy>I have 3 partitions on sda, sda5 (Debian) sda2 (Ubuntu) and sda6 (swap)
04:49<icebrain>oh, you want to update ubuntu's /boot from debian, or vice-versa?
04:49<boknoy>I know that I could append an entry for Debian with (hd0,4), kernel blah blah
04:50<boknoy>yeah, I want to autoupdate ubuntu's /boot from debian when I install a new kernel. I don't need /boot on sda5 don't I?
04:50<boknoy>nor grub installed?
04:50<icebrain>no, you only need one grub
04:50<icebrain>but you do need /boot
04:51<icebrain>it has the kernel and initrd
04:51<boknoy>oh... ok, so will apt automatically create /boot when I install the kernel?
04:52<boknoy>k thanks :)
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04:52<icebrain>btw, update-grub only runs " grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
04:52<boknoy>but that's grub2 right?
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04:54<icebrain>oh, right, sorry :|
04:54<boknoy>lol I'll just figure it out, and hope that I don't make things unbootable again...
04:55<icebrain>what's for grub2 is "grub-mkconfig". update-grub work in legacy
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04:56<boknoy>but I thought I don't need grub on sda5?
04:57<perk>how do i determine which nic is which eth interface from the command line?
04:57<icebrain>no, I was saying you could update sda2's grub conf from sda5, but it was only for grub2
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04:59<boknoy>oh oh ok I get it now. Everything's clear. Thanks icebrain!
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05:00<p1n0>polease help me installing dillo in lenny! :-(
05:00<gsimmons>perk: Try using ethtool's -p option on each interface.
05:00<twb>OK, wtf. An aptitude full-upgrade on sid wants to "replace" nis with hostname./
05:01<twb>Maybe it's just me, but I'm thinking that will kinda break my ability to log into this server...
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05:02<jm_>perk: another options is to look in /sys/class/net
05:02<urbinek>when i wanna install mplayer dependences via apt-get it tries to remove nvidia-glx, i'm using it as video driver, i can remove and install it but it is pain in the a** >>
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05:12<Chetic>Where do I put symlinks to plugins for iceweasel?
05:12<jm_>which plugins?
05:12<Chetic>tried /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ with no luck
05:13<jm_>install -jrepackage and it will take care of it
05:13<jm_>also man update-java-alternatives
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05:13<twb>Unfortunately there appears to be no consensus.
05:13<twb>flashplugin-nonfree puts symlinks in a whole bunch of places, but other packages put them only where one or two browsers can find them (grr!)
05:14<jm_>~/.mozilla/plugin works for me
05:14<Chetic>jm_: what do you mean by install -jrepackage?
05:14<jm_>Chetic: sun-java6-jre for example
05:14<twb>jm_: oh, you mean as a user
05:15<twb>I was stuck in DD mode
05:15<EmleyMoor>There is probably a plugin package for it
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05:16<jm_>doh I meant -plugin stupid me, thanks
05:17<jm_>that and update-java-alternatives shall help
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05:41<perk>jm_, thanks
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05:54<jm_>perk: no worries
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05:57<wirr>hi all... can someone tell me whats the recommended way of doing power mgmt on debian squeeze?
05:57<wirr>i've heard powersaved is not recommended anymore...
05:58<wirr>i want to do frequency scaling, event based suspend, hard drive standby, etc.
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05:59<antonio>need help with config DNS server?
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06:00<locklace>wirr: frequency scaling is fine, but the rest is a mess, to be blunt
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06:01<locklace>antonio: no thanks
06:01<Stereo>wirr: I think hdparm can help with hard drives
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06:02<wirr>locklace: i'm trying to figure out which one of the dozens of tools are best suited for the task. Am I right to assume that cpufreq nowadays is configured through sysfs?
06:02<antonio>I need help with confiruration on DNS
06:02<wirr>Stereo: should hdparm be configured directly or rather through laptop-mode-tools?
06:03<locklace>wirr: exactly. there are tons of tools that mutually overlap and conflict in non-obvious ways. it's a total clusterfuck.
06:04<locklace>wirr: and yes, for cpufreq you can use the cpufrequtils to help out
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06:05<wirr>locklace: yipee! do you know how cpufrequtils and laptop-mode-tools overlap? i've found some reference on laptop-mode-tools controlling cpufreq as well... :-(
06:05<locklace>nope, but if they do, colour me deeply unsurprised
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06:05<jm_>just specify proper default governor and you'll be OK, I use ondemand
06:06<locklace>same here. never actually needed to mess with cpufreq beyond that
06:06<wirr>so you think there is no reason to have either cpufrequtils or laptop-mode-tools installed?
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06:06<locklace>if you're using some kind of de that's based on hal, it will most likely want to use pm-utils for suspend ops
06:07<jm_>cpufrequtils can help you set default governor
06:07<locklace>if you hate hal, you can try your luck with uswsusp or whatever they're calling it these days instead
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06:08<locklace>lmt does some other things, mainly hd shutdown iirc, but haven't attempted to mess with that since i'm not sure it's a good trade-off
06:10<wirr>ok... i'm trying to write down an overview of the different subsystems and eventually write a recommandation. if i want to publish the overview as a WIP for others to participate, what place would you suggest to put it online?
06:10<Stereo>wirr: I wouldn't know
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06:10<Stereo>wirr: there's debian-administration
06:12<locklace>wirr: putting up a good clear article on the debian wiki would be a win
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06:13<wirr>locklace: ok i'll try to do it
06:13<wirr>thanks guys
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06:34<hybridtheory>hi ya
06:35<wirr>locklace: one more question: is there any reasonable way to avoid HAL nowadays? it seems to me that more and more configuration (especially event-based like hotkeys) is done through HAL...
06:35<hybridtheory>pleazze, help for ati 200 in squeeze
06:37<prahal>hybridtheory, what s the issue ? beware that I have never used the ati provided driver so cannot tell anything about it
06:38<prahal>wirr, the question is , is there any point in avoiding it ? I mean the hal code would be in the application if the application was not using hal ... so would it be less buggy
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06:41<wirr>prahal: sorry i don't get it. In the context of power management i'm used to configure acpid or powersaved events. now it seems everything is switching to use hal, which to me seems not so intuitive to configure. so should one continue to use the (seemingly) deprecated acpi events or should we go the extra way in directly using hal events...
06:41<hybridtheory>ati 200 and compiz with lenny runs ok going with fglrx, but in squeeze do not run
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06:42<hybridtheory>sorry by my english, i am not an "angloiparlante"
06:43<prahal>well fglrx is a world of its own , it is the ati provided driver . It lags behind in term of following the X upgrade. Have you tried the non ati provided one ? if it supports your card that is
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06:44<prahal>wirr, to my belief hal still use acpid (powersaved is another story, it is a daemon of its own, if you run gnome-power-manager I could not tell which one will win the race to manage the event
06:44<hybridtheory>my compu supports this card, yes
06:45<gsimmons>hybridtheory: The fglrx version in squeeze doesn't support anything prior to the R600 series of Radeon chipsets.
06:45<prahal>hybridtheory, I mean have you tried using the radeon driver instead of the fglrx one
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06:47<hybridtheory>ok, out fglrx, do you know any manual in order to implement "radeon"
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06:49<prahal>hybridtheory, check if it is installed then mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf to another directory and try to restart X
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06:49<prahal>a min I check the version of X in squeeze
06:50<icf7>Is there a package containing kernel man pages, like for man create_proc_info_entry ?
06:50<hybridtheory> /etc/X11/xorg.conf is not in squeeze
06:52<prahal>hybridtheory, well it could not be there as it is not needed for newer xorg though I wonder why you do not have it ... as using fglrx requires it afaik
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06:53<prahal>hybridtheory, could you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
06:53<prahal>pastebinit is handy to do so
06:54<hybridtheory>ok, i will see
06:57<hybridtheory> /var/log/Xorg.0.log, yes, it is, and what need I to do in order compiz goes?
06:58<prahal>nothing to change in it ... It is only usefull to see what xorg believe is your config
06:59<prahal>it could be that you ll have to remove fglrx completely ... as it also replaces part of the 3D stack (mesa) ... which I dislike but hey proprietary drivers do what they want
07:00<prahal>to achieve fast delivery but afterwards it ends up not being maintained in the long run (thus breaks on upgrade of anything)
07:00<prahal>or at best it lags behing and breaks for a few months every now and then
07:01<hybridtheory>well, as I am now in another compu, so I am taking note , prahal
07:02<hybridtheory>maybe in a week it runs, hehe
07:03<hybridtheory>but I've stuck with this topic 2 months .....
07:04<hybridtheory>ty, anyway, prahal
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07:07<prahal>hybridtheory, if you can stick with the radeon driver if you use a system which is to be upgraded to anything more than security upgrade (above stable)
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07:14<hybridtheory>prahal, Look dor example, when you upgrade from Ubuntu 8.10 to 9.04, it remove fglrx driver, implementing the radeon, and if it worked, how to squeeze does not work?, as apparently is the same methodologya
07:15<hybridtheory>i was talking about to implement compiz only
07:16<hybridtheory>radeon for me is more stable than fglrx, and my laptop temperature runs better
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07:17<prahal>more stable I don't know (I never used fglrx) . But upgrade to match X or kernel when they are upgrade that s for sure
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07:18<prahal>debian does not use to guess user willingness . If the user installed fglrx by hand the upgrade system guess it is because he wants it (so not removed automagically)
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07:19<hypyrbole>I'm using the following syntax for mkisofs---> mkisofs -r -l -L -R -J -o /tmp/disk.iso ./* <--- the dir I run it from consists of sub-dirs containing files. The resultant image file, though, has the contents of the sub-dirs moved up to the root of the image. What am I doing wrong?
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07:22<hybridtheory>prahal in irc-hispano, spain they send to me it:, in order to "radeon", but i se this manuel speaks abot the terribble /etc/X11/xorg.conf, that dounr nexist in squeeze
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07:23<hybridtheory>sorry, my englist "dont exist in squeeze
07:24<hybridtheory>I suppose this manual is obsolete
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07:26<prahal>except for the xorg.conf it is fine . only seeing the Xorg.0.log could I guess what fglrx does . Maybe it is telling Xorg that it is the default driver for ati cards and thus prevents "radeon" from being loaded first, hard to guess
07:26<hybridtheory>anyway, gracias for ur help, prahal, sure this topic I will be resolve soon
07:27<hybridtheory>well, i am off, time to lunch, thanks anyway for ur help
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08:40<twb>I have a backup procedure with makes an LVM snapshot of an ext3 filesystem, and mounts it.
08:41<twb>This results in a lot of spurious dmesg "unclean mount" warnings, because obviously at the time I take the snapshot, the LV I'm snapshotting is mounted.
08:41<twb>Plan B is to e2fsck the LV snapshot before mounting it. But as plan A, can I simply use e.g. tune2fs to mark the filesystem cleanly umounted?
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08:42<twb>Furthermore, is there a way to do this for arbitrary filesystems without dispatching on the filesystem type?
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08:47<jm_>twb: I think not, you'd need to use debugfs
08:48<twb>dpkg: tell twb -about debugfs
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08:49<twb>Hm, e2fsprogs: /sbin/debugfs
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08:56<twb>On an unrelated issue, I wish to vgrename the VG that my root filesystem lives on.
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08:56<twb>I have booted with break=bottom, and successfully lvchange -an'd all the LVs -- except "swap".
08:56<twb>lvs thinks it's active, even though /proc/swaps doesn't list it. There's no swapoff in my path, so I dunno how to try to remove it.
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09:19<twb>OK, here's a tip: don't do that.
09:19<twb>Now I have to step through bootdegraded=yes nonsense
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09:48<costash>I installed exim4 in my system. I test the SMTP server and it seems to work fine.
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09:50<Titan8990>every attack machine should have a fully functioning SMTP server....
09:50<Titan8990>oh, wrong channel, sorry
09:50*Titan8990 really needs to stop doing that...
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09:50<costash>When i try to test the POP server using telnet, i get the following:costash@workstation1:~$ telnet 110
09:50<costash>Connected to
09:50<costash>Escape character is '^]'.
09:50<costash>+OK Dovecot ready.
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10:06<twb>Here's another tip: when you do a netinst, and allocate only 1GiB for the root filesystem, remember to run "aptitude clean" shortly thereafter.
10:07<costash>When i try to test the POP server using telnet, i get the following: telnet 110 Trying Connected to +OK Devecot ready user student6 +OK pass student 6 +OK Logged in Connection clodsed by foreign host
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10:11<twb>costash: don't use telnet; use netcat or socat.
10:11<twb>costash: I don't know about the actual problem, but "Devecot" suggests that you're not transcribing the output exactly.
10:12<Titan8990>lol because its actually "Dovecot"?
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10:21<costash>How can I test the POP server with netcat or socat?
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10:25<costash>How can I test the POP server with netcat or socat?
10:25<peej>costash, netcat is just like telnet, just more transparent
10:26<eightyeight>man netcat might help
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10:27<kmap>costash: telnet POPSERVER 110
10:28<kmap>Oh, you seem to have done it already. Sorry
10:29<twb>costash: nc pop3
10:29<costash>I used netcat. I type the user information. It gives me the message "+OK Logged in". Then, it kicks me out.
10:29<twb>costash: ask the server why
10:30<costash>How do I ask?
10:30<twb>Look at its /var/log/, typically.
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10:36<costash>In a log file I found the message: rejected RCPT <>: relay not permitted
10:37<Myon>that's your mail server
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10:40<twb>I have three SATA drives in a machine, and the BIOS can see them. My USB boot key can see itself, but not the drives. That is, they aren't listed in /proc/partitions.
10:41<twb>How do I work out which piece-of-shit proprietary driver I need for the southbridge?
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10:41<Bizurke>I just updated the firmware on my Sandisk Sansa Clip mp3 player. It worked fine with debian before but now I'm getting this error when I try to mount.
10:42<Bizurke>I can't seem to find what the fs is. It used to be fat32. It also used to auto mount to /media/disk from /dev/sdc1 now it's /dev/sdb1 and won't mount at all
10:42<Bizurke>any ideas?
10:43<Myon>try file -s /dev/sdb1 to see what FS is there (if any)
10:43<arr>does debian have something similar to asoundconf-gtk
10:43<twb>Hm, lshw says it's an ICH-10. Typical.
10:43<Bizurke>Myon: file -s /dev/sdb1
10:43<Bizurke>/dev/sdb1: x86 boot sector
10:44<Myon>hmm, file often says that for binary stuff
10:44<twb>That's what it should say for /dev/sdb
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10:44<Myon>does the player still work?
10:44<twb>Not /dev/sdb1
10:45<twb>Oops, I tell a lie
10:45<twb>On an extlinux + ext2-based laptop: $ file -s /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sda: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x83, active, starthead 1, startsector 63, 7807527 sectors, code offset 0x31 /dev/sda1: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x58
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10:46<twb>I don't know how to tell file to ignore the partition boot record and skip to the filesystem
10:46<Bizurke>I had to format to fat32 on linux then take it to a friends windows machine and format again to fat32, then put on the firmware
10:46<twb>Probably dd with an offset
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10:48<Myon>maybe you can tell the player to format the partition
10:48<Myon>(possibly by zeroing it first, ymmv)
10:48<Bizurke>good thought
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10:49<Bizurke>that worked! I can't believe I didn't think of that
10:50<Bizurke>thanks myon
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10:58<Cadmium01>will pci express 2 card work on pci express 1 slot?
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11:01<Freddie>? i have latest version of debian. lenny. and xfce, my taskbar has dissappeared any way to fix that ?
11:01<Meths>They should generally using the available bandwidth of a v1, YMMV
11:02<Meths>a v1 slot*
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11:05<neo>how to hack my SQL server
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11:09<ilogico>hi, i cannot compile using the Boost libraries, can someone help me?
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11:15<Freddie>how can i run transmission from terminal?
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11:17<kop>Freddie: At a glance, you need to install the transmission-cli package.
11:19<kop>I have a web question about cookies, and happen to be using php and iceweasel but it's probably a more generic question. Is this the right place to ask and if not where should I go?
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11:20<kop>Titan8990: It's probably best to just ask.
11:20<kop>!tell Titan8990 -about ask
11:20<ilogico>Freddie, what do you really want to do? run from the terminal, in the terminal, or in the background?
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11:23<Freddie>well when i right click and tell it to open, nothing happens
11:23<Freddie>so i wanna try command, it was working a few days ago then just disaapeared,
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11:24<Freddie>i havent not reboot for couple months, maybe that will help.
11:24<chealer>kop: hard to say without seeing the question
11:24<kop>Freddie: It's possible, but that's probably not it.
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11:24<kop>chealer: I'll paste...
11:25<ilogico>the command is : transmission
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11:28<kop>My problem is that I'm keeping login information on the server, associated with a session that's identified with a cookie. So, the cookie has no information in it. My session information has a timestamp so I can timeout after inactivity. The cookie also times out. My problem is that the cookie goes away on the client. I'm trying to refresh the cookie timeout every time there's activity but it does not seem to be working. The code is:
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11:29<Titan8990>kop, why did you have the bot pm me the ask factoid?
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11:29<kop>Is it impossible to update a cookie's timeout, or is this something with iceweasel (probably not) or something wrong with my code or what?
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11:30<kop>Titan8990: It was about the boost question, and should have gone to ilogico.
11:30<Titan8990>kop, you probably want something specific to web application development
11:30<dr|z3d>kop: try cs lite, perhaps. addon for firefox/iceweasel.
11:30<Titan8990>kop, iceweasel does not really perform differently from firefox
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11:31<kop>Titan8990: Any suggestions as to where to go?
11:31<kop>dr|z3d: I'll look, but I really want to know what's wrong more than to just get it working for me on my client.
11:32<Titan8990>kop, maybe #php if its written in php
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11:32<Titan8990>even if its not specific to the language there will still be plenty of web developers there
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11:32<ilogico>is there a channel for c++ developers?
11:32<kop>ilogico: You have the boost-dev package installed?
11:32<Titan8990>kop, oh.. on freenode
11:32<kop>Titan8990: Ok.
11:32<ilogico>yes i do
11:33<Titan8990>ilogico, and you too, #c++ on freenode
11:33<ilogico>i even tried to install it manually, from
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11:38<ilogico>Titan8990: what's the freenode?
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12:10<kop>Balsa has been crashing on me of late. :-P (lenny)
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12:14<Freddie>ok well i restarted and everything is fine now!
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13:07<costash>I have installed exim4 as my mail server for a local network. When i try to send and receive an e-mail message from a client, i get the error: rejected RCPT <>: relay not permitted.
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13:12<silverbandit91>could be a number of things costash
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13:14<costash>I am not sure where to look.
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13:19<Hillaballoo>afternoon all. I've got a DL180 G6 and debian 5.0.3 AMD64 won't detect the E1000 building network adapters. Apparently a number of other linux distros detect them just fine. Someone posted to the mailing lists back in August, everyone insisted there were broadcom drivers in the box (which is not true), then no solution was offered.
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13:48<fgh> 58: let: not found
13:51<fgh>what do i miss?
13:51<fgh>whereis let ,<
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13:52<locklace>sounds like a bashism
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14:27<fgh>hm, shouldnt it be installed with the bash package?
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14:29<cahoot>what if you explicitly set bash in the script?
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14:33<fgh>uhm, how?
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14:34<locklace>fgh: if the script is using bashisms, its first line should be #!/bin/bash, not #!/bin/sh
14:36<fgh>it is: #!/bin/bash
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14:36<fgh>and in the script i find: let "NOISE=ISO/10"
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14:43<crowkrypt>necesito ayuda
14:43<crowkrypt>para un proyecto de implementacion de un laboratorio deredes
14:44<adama>fgh: from "man bash": ((expression)) is exactly equivalent to let "expression"
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15:03<McE>heyho, IRC 1st-timer since 5 years :-)))
15:03<McE>anyone out there?
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15:06<McE>man.. i didn't even figure out where to set my proper identity in this modern chatzilla stuff :)
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15:07<crowkrypt>para un proyecto de implementacion de un laboratorio deredes
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15:08<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:12<McE>having troubles with USB installation of debian 5 - the installer wont detect my usbstick; boots from initrd but thats it - any help??
15:13<dpkg>usb is probably (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously., or
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15:18<Vanished>Hi there, what's the difference between shockwave and flashplugin-nonfree ? When I do "apt-get remove --purge flashplugin-non" it change nothing
15:19<Vanished>shockwave make my computer but and heat
15:20<Vanished>and I can't install from adobe flash because I have a 64bytes
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15:25<chealer>Vanished: Shockwave can refer to a number of things. flashplugin-nonfree is a Debian package to get Adobe Flash Player
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15:27<ggrelias>i am having an issue with trying to get out of init 1. basicly when i try to restore to a full run level it gets to starting NFS daemon but never gets past this and i have to force power off the machine(soft off wont work ass its frozen), any ideas?
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15:29<locklace>ggrelias: disable nfs
15:29<Titan8990>ggrelias, you should not be able to move out of runlevel 1 from singleuser mode
15:30<locklace>ggrelias: lots of ways. there's probably an entry in /etc/default for it; if not just remove or rename the link in the appropriate /etc/rc?.d directory, or stick "exit 0" at the top of the nfs start script in /etc/init.d
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15:33<ggrelias>not sure why nfs would freeze a machine though if you haven't set it up
15:33<locklace>nfs is the closest thing to a machine-freezing protocol ever invented
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15:52<DjOrion>i need some help can i install debian on my pocketpc
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15:58<cahoot>(I've no clue but -) I suppose you stand a better chance for an answer if you provide more info
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16:09<DjOrion>cahoot: okey i have a qtek s100 and dont want to have wm2003 anymore it just bugs a lot
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16:09<ewic>hey, does anybody have any experience getting https to work with lighty?
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16:12<Schachmann>Hallo, kann mir Bitte jemand bei der Einstellung meiner Tastatur helfen?
16:13<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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16:15<McE>hey, installing debian via network is killing me: seems like name resolving doesn't work, the network does however. syslog says: resolver (libc6-udeb): package doesn't exist. Should this be?
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16:16<Titan8990>McE, which version of debian?
16:17<McE>titan, debian 5 (stable)
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16:18<Titan8990>McE, tried a different mirror?
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16:19<kop>McE: Should work.
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16:20<McE>titan, yep. hmm - I'm using my regular wlan router, dhcp doesnt work so I set network up manually. Nameserver = my wlan box (Sinus 1054). Works fine under windoze..
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16:21<Titan8990>McE, try setting the nameserver to and
16:21<McE>titan, ok thanks i'll try
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16:24<McE>titan, nope. debug: wget -q => stalling...
16:25<McE>hmm. do you think I should check whether dhcp works with something like knoppix?
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16:26<McE>..i'll try
16:27<McE>thanks - bye
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16:34<vinicius>my compiz started to complain that theres no xgl available
16:34<vinicius>and i cant install the package xserver-xgl
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16:49<vinicius>does the non-free section of debian supports the proprietary driver of nvidia?
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16:49<themill>yes. /msg dpkg nvidia
16:50<kop>vinicius: Although you could just use the free driver.
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16:52<vinicius>kop, free driver doesnt work quite well here
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16:52<vinicius>kop, it causes my computer to overheat
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17:17<bgat>I just did an update to squeeze:
17:17<bgat>"Can't locate"
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17:17<jackyf>bgat: version of liblocale-gettext-perl?
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17:20<adb> /msg judd versions of liblocale-gettext-perl
17:21<adb> /msg judd versions liblocale-gettext-perl
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17:21<DevilsArms>Evening, I'm having some issues with my wireless network's being detected. I'm new to debian with wireless so if someone could help with with it then I'd be very glad :)
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17:22<DevilsArms>using ath5k for the wireless
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17:22<DevilsArms>iwlist wlan0 scan says no scan results
17:23<DevilsArms>i've booted using a live cd of ubuntu and been able to connect to a wireless network so I know the hardware is close enough to a wireless network
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17:24<bgat>darn it, have to leave for a sec... bbl
17:25<Chetic_>All msn clients I try crash when I log in
17:25<Chetic_>This started happening after a random crash which happened while I was away
17:25-!-Chetic_ is now known as Chetic
17:26<Chetic>anybody think they can help?
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17:29<DevilsArms>anyone around to help me out with my wireless
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17:30<kop>Chetic: Log in how?
17:30<kop>DevilsArms: The wiki has someinfo.
17:31<Chetic>kop: To msn
17:31<DevilsArms>yeah, wiki doesn't seem to cover what I need.
17:31<Chetic>They start displaying users then crash in the middle of it
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17:31<kop>Chetic: What client?
17:31<babilen>Chetic: "They" ?
17:31<DevilsArms>since it can't find a network at all.
17:31<kop>!tell DevilsArms -about ask
17:31<Chetic>amsn, pidgin and emesene
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17:32<kop>Chetic: So, text messaging. Dunno. If you're running lenny then perhaps MS decided to change something, if you didn't change anything.
17:33<DevilsArms>ugh im not use to empanthy for irc
17:33<babilen>Chetic: Do you get any error messages?
17:34<DevilsArms>!tell DevilsArms -about ask
17:34<Chetic>babilen: heh, segfault
17:34<DevilsArms>wasn't sure who pm'd me and not use to empathy yet :P
17:35<Chetic>all 3 clients get segmentation faults
17:35<kop>DevilsArms: It's a bot. You '/msg dpkg' for answers.
17:35<babilen>Chetic: OK, try running them from the command line. Have you checked the bts for related bugs?
17:35<dkr>DevilsArms: most of us on irc are unused to empathy
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17:35<Chetic>babilen: I'm running them from the command line, that's how I knew they segfaulted. What's bts?
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17:37<babilen>!tell Chetic about bts
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17:37<adb>babilen, -about is nicer
17:37<DevilsArms>I have a problem with my wireless, I'm running debian lenny. When I try to scan for wireless networks I get the output "No Scan Results". I expect the output "2 wireless networks found?"
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17:39<cryan>hello guys
17:39<DevilsArms>lspci tells me its a AR242x Wireless PCI Express adapter
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17:41<kop>DevilsArms: I'm clueless when it comes to wireless. But when I have hardware problems I try a newer kernel. See or make-kpkg.
17:42<babilen>DevilsArms: How do you scan? Are you *sure* that there are in fact two wireless networks in you vicinity?
17:42<kop>DevilsArms: dmsg output may also say something revealing about what the system thinks of your hardware.
17:43<DevilsArms>im going to be cheeky and install the desktop enviroment, get it to configure the wireless then remove it. Seems hacky but will do the job I guess
17:43<kop>DevilsArms: Oops. dmesg
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17:43<DevilsArms>babilen: installed ubuntu before and it found it
17:44<DevilsArms>also on my eee at the moment right next to the other machine
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17:44<DevilsArms>connected via wireless here, checking dmesg now
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17:45<DevilsArms>ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
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17:46<kop>DevilsArms: If the ubuntu had a newer kernel then it's possibly a kernel version/driver version issue....
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17:46<babilen>DevilsArms: Have a look at
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17:47<babilen>DevilsArms: Try removing and inserting the module (modprobe -r ath5k && modprobe ath5k), paste the dmesg output of these commands. then bring up the interfaces and paste the output of you scanning
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17:49<kop>babilen, DevilsArms: The wiki says "newer kernel".
17:49<babilen>DevilsArms: And once again: How do you scan? & How is your network configured?
17:50<DevilsArms>one sec, the eee is small to type on and empathy annoying :P
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17:51<babilen>kop: Ah, you mean the "noise floor calibration timeout" bug?
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17:51<kop>babilen: Yes.
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17:52<kop>babilen: But, I'm blathering, because I don't know wifi.
17:52<DevilsArms>after modprobing...
17:53<babilen>DevilsArms: Which kernel version do you have installed?
17:53<DevilsArms>ACPI: PCI interrup for device 0000:05.0 disabled
17:53<DevilsArms>it's uname -v right?
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17:54<kop>DevilsArms: (Be reckless and uname -a ;-)
17:54<babilen>DevilsArms: Please paste the complete output ( and it's "uname -r"
17:54<babilen>kop: hehe
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17:55<babilen>DevilsArms: How did you configure your network?
17:55<DevilsArms>babilen: give me a mo i'm having to manually retype it on my poor little eee :( lol
17:55<babilen>DevilsArms: Ok, forget it! Are there any *obvious* errors?
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17:56<babilen>DevilsArms: Or does it look OK?
17:56<kop>!tell DevilsArms -about pastebinit
17:56<DevilsArms>only "Support for RF2425 is under developement"
17:56<kop>DevilsArms: although that won't help if you've no net
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17:56<DevilsArms>oooo, instaling now
17:57<babilen>DevilsArms: What's your kernel versions ( uname -r )
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17:58<babilen>DevilsArms: thanks, how do you connect?
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17:58<babilen>DevilsArms: It might be that you need a newer kernel. I assume you run stable/lenny. Is that correct?
17:58<DevilsArms>at the moment? I'm connecting via a wired connection
17:58<DevilsArms>yeah babilen
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17:59<babilen>No, i mean how do you *try* to connect with you your wireless ;-)
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17:59<DevilsArms>oh lol
17:59<DevilsArms>ifconfig wlan0 up
17:59<DevilsArms>iwlist wlan0 scan
17:59<DevilsArms>finds nothing
17:59<DevilsArms>btw pastebin of my dmesg
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18:01<babilen>DevilsArms: that does not look that bad. I guess you might need a newer kernel. You can get one from bpo (backports). Ask dpkg about it
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18:03<babilen>DevilsArms: If that does not work you can try as well.
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18:03<babilen>DevilsArms: good luck. I am afk for a while :-Q
18:04<DevilsArms>btw should i try ath_pci or backports first?
18:04<DevilsArms>thanks for all of the help btw :) babilen
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18:05<babilen>DevilsArms: Good question. :-) I recommend using the free driver (in the new kernel) but you might end up with better performance using ath_pci ...
18:06<DevilsArms>i'll give ath_pci a try first since it seems easier then fallback to the backports ;)
18:06<babilen>DevilsArms: Try both. If both work pick the free one.
18:07<babilen>DevilsArms: Try both. A new kernel might not be the worsest idea as well. And backports are nice for other things as well. (If you ever feel the itch to upgrade some packages)
18:07<babilen>DevilsArms: Good luck, and ask if you run into problems
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18:31<DevilsArms>madwifi drivers worked! Thanks everyone! :)
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18:34<miguel_>i have little problem with a web that i maked
18:35<miguel_>there are some person that can help me?
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18:37<albertong>i have some probleme with the internet connexion sharing through my windows xp service pack 3 os to ubuntu server 9.04
18:39<albertong>i can ping all os but i can't ping google on ubuntu server
18:39<adama>albertong: this channel is for Debian support
18:40<albertong>my apology
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18:40<albertong>i going now to the adhoc channel
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18:40<Pitxyoki>albertong, how's that ubuntu server supposed to access the net?
18:41<Pitxyoki>net -> xp PC -> ubuntu ?
18:41<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:42<Pitxyoki>adama and Ganneff: does that mean that we can't chat about anything else than Debian here?
18:42<Ganneff>this is not a chat channel
18:42<Ganneff>its about debian support
18:42<adama>of course
18:42<Pitxyoki>Well, then...
18:42<Pitxyoki>I'm sorry.
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18:45<adama>I can't seem to get debian to recognize my video card's additional outputs
18:45<babilen>DevilsArms: Good new everyone :-)
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19:56<bja>I have a tty only laptop, wich needs to have wireless, what is the cli procedure to set things up? 1) Get proper driver. 2) set essid and password for the corresponding wireless network. I feel i am missing something, can someone give me hand?
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19:57<franki^>bja: you can use wicd with a curses interface in a tty
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19:57<bja>franki^: what is the package name for wicd?
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20:00<icebrain>it's only in lenny-backports, squeeze and sid
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20:01<bja>icebrain: thx for the info, guess i'll poke with ifconfig and iwconfig a little longer then
20:02<icebrain>why don't you use the backport? just add the line to your sources.list:
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20:04<spcp>can someone please help me..
20:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:05<spcp>after typing apt-get autoremove, some of the packages has been removed, but now some of programs don't work.
20:05<spcp>is there a way to see history for removed packages?
20:06<spcp>I tried history, but it only showed my inputs..
20:08<bja>icebrain: You wouldn't believe the reason, but backports will have to wait as a last resort :)
20:08<spcp>bja could you take a look at my log file?
20:09<bja>spcp: Sorry i am in a hurry right now, but if you paste them on an apropiate site, i am sure someone can give you a hand
20:09<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
20:09<icebrain>spcp: I can have a look
20:10<spcp>I don't know what package I should install..
20:10<bja>icebrain: thx anyway, if i manage to remember that little piece i am missing i'll let you know
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20:11<icebrain>spcp: install to do what?
20:11<icebrain>spcp: oh, nevermind, I just read the previous msgs
20:11<spcp>I'm trying to excute a program qframecatcher.
20:12<spcp>it worked fine untill I did apt-get autoremove.
20:12<icebrain>spcp: what error does it give you?
20:12<spcp>I just wanted to make some space
20:12<spcp>so I did apt-get autoremove thinking that they were not required anymore..
20:12<spcp>but now qframecatcher doesn't work saying ERROR - OPEN VIDEO DRIVER
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20:13<spcp>shouldn't have just deleted them all without rechecking..
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20:15<icebrain>spcp: make sure you have libqtgui4, libxine and libpng
20:15<spcp>yes I made sure I had them.
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20:19<icebrain>spcp: try libxine1-plugins
20:19<icebrain>spcp: it seems that error occurs when libxine can't open the video driver
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20:24<spcp>I found that libxine1-ffmpeg was removed.
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20:27<spcp>wow thank you icebrain.
20:27<spcp>now it works perfectly fine
20:27<spcp>after installing libxine1-lugins
20:28<spcp>is apt-get autoremove safe to do?
20:29<spcp>I'm worried if other programs won't work too
20:29<GnuSense>I'm running Lenny 2.6.26-2-686 & have an Atheros AR5212/AR5213 pcmcia network card, would I be better off with the ath5k driver that I gather should come with the kernel or using ath_pci mad-wifi?
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20:31<abrotman>probably ath5k if it is supported
20:33<GnuSense>I seem to be using ath_pci, if I wanted to switch should I just remove madwifi-source & madwifi-tools? And reboot?
20:35<icebrain>spcp: sorry, i was afk. But yes, manually installed packages won't be removed with autoremove
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20:37<spcp>ok. thank you.
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20:42<abrotman>GnuSense: really you should probably use ath5k
20:43<drakeman_>hey guys, anyone knows any program to view live tv, like that sites freedocast ustream, but a soft to view chanel inside linux?
20:43<GnuSense>Should I add it to /etc/modules, abrotman? Do I need to purge the mad-wifi stuff or will just removing it be sufficient?
20:43<abrotman>ath_pci is ath5k
20:44<GnuSense> I didn't realize that.
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20:45<GnuSense>But I should ax madwifi-source & madwifi-tools, I assume. I know I have them installed.
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20:58<miguelzinho>my package is currently on the buildds
20:59<miguelzinho>after it is built, where can I check if it was copied to the pool?
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21:05<prahal>miguelzinho, then 4 times a day it should go from there to the pool (could be wrong, I am just an old time user)
21:06<miguelzinho>prahal: hmmm, but doesn't 'incoming' receives only the uploads from DDs?
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21:08<prahal>no I believe not but again ...
21:08<dondelelcaro>and DMs
21:09<dondelelcaro>miguelzinho: the buildd uploads are sent in by DDs
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21:12<miguelzinho>so, DD uploads source to incoming, buildd gets the source and builds. Then upload the binaries to incoming again and then the binaries are sent to the pool
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21:14<chealer>miguelzinho: on (currently Built, you want it Installed)
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21:16<miguelzinho>chealer: yeah, but the .deb is copied from the buildd to where?
21:16<chealer>miguelzinho: to incoming.
21:17<miguelzinho>is there any log of the packages picked in incoming that goes to the pool?
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21:17<chealer>miguelzinho: not exactly. packagers upload the source and one build to incoming. once these are in ACCEPTED, they get to mirrors soon, whether or not all architectures are built.
21:19<miguelzinho>what are the .dak files in incoming?
21:19<chealer>miguelzinho: did you check ?
21:19<miguelzinho>yep, everything is there
21:19<chealer>miguelzinho: see
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21:21<miguelzinho>ow nice, got it
21:22<miguelzinho>my sponsor uploaded the source and the amd64 binary, then they were copied to unstable
21:22<miguelzinho>I see the files in the pool
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21:52<vinicius>im on sid, and apt keeps telling me that util-linux-locale is with a wrong size...
21:53<abrotman>the package is corrupt ?
21:54<vinicius>abrotman, i tried to download and install with dpkg
21:54<vinicius>no success
21:55<vinicius>how do i change the terminal language to english?... i forgot
21:56<abrotman>LANG=C command
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21:57<abrotman>disk full ?
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21:59<abrotman>and why aren't you using aptitude to install it ?
21:59<abrotman>which version of Debian are you using ?
22:00<franki^>sid, he said..
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22:00<abrotman>dpkg: wb!
22:00<dpkg>thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back.
22:00<vinicius>abrotman, aptitude
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22:01<abrotman>vinicius: aptitude update first ?
22:01<vinicius>abrotman, yes
22:02<abrotman>vinicius: seems like the package is corrupted on the mirror .. perhaps try another mirror
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22:03<franki^>hmm, i just installed it fine (on sid, from
22:03<vinicius>abrotman, sure... but i was wondering if theres a way to prevent corrupted packaged between mirrors sync
22:03<abrotman>vinicius: not supposed to happen to begin with
22:04<vinicius>humn... ok
22:04<abrotman>vinicius: it does from time to time .. just try another mirror near you
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22:32<adb>on laptop, ventilator spin every x (< 2) minutes , system is idle 98% , hard drive is non active (system run all in ram) , where i may look for resolve that ?
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22:45<kop>adb: Might possibly be the filesystem purge to disk. Cron for instance writes logs every now and then regardless of whether there's something scheduled. That's a random guess.
22:46<adb>i'll check, thanks kop
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22:50<adb>only cron is an apt check daily
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22:52<adb>but as is an amd (mobile 1600) it heat a lot ...
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