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---Logopened Sat Oct 17 00:00:28 2009
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00:29<overddose>anyone alive? :)
00:29<cesurasean>I'm trying to use nxclient for my debian box, but I keep getting this error message when trying to connect on port 22. "bad display name "debian:1020" in "add" command".
00:29<cesurasean>can anyone help?
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00:42<drakeman>cesurasean, you are using debian as server or using the client in debian'
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00:46<cesurasean>that's the server
00:46<cesurasean>could it be a mismatch of different versions of nxclient and host?
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00:50<drakeman>cesurasean, wel i have it installed, i didnt see that error before,
00:50<drakeman>cesurasean, i use my debian as server, ad i connect trough the client inside windwos.
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00:53<cesurasean>good for you drakeman.
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00:54<drakeman>cesurasean, :D
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01:00<overddose>anyone got any ideas of where to start on customizing debian? colors/themes/other modifications like beryl
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01:08<No1>google overddose :P
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01:12<firefox>so, I have a dsl modem into a router, which I I connect my debian box to via wlan. I have two ethernet cards bridged and am running dnsmasq. when I first start my games I have like 120ms ping... but over a while it goes to 300.. I am using iptables to forward the wlan to the bridge. is there a better way to do this?
01:14<firefox>games from a system attached to the bridge that is
01:14<overddose>trying to bridge on live?
01:15<firefox>overddose, uh? sorry dont understand =)
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01:15<overddose>like, xbox live. only instances i have seen of bridging connections related to games.
01:16<overddose>and i wouldnt necessarily use debian (or any linux distro for that matter) to bridge.
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01:17<overddose>also, nol, is beryl still usable?
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01:17<No1>so is compiz
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01:18<overddose>when i googled, i didnt find much :P
01:19<No1>try debian look
01:19<overddose> ftw
01:20<firefox>overddose, nah, its wow on another computer, I just can run the wires to it. and I wanted to make it so I could hook any connection to the box (like cell modem) and have everything still auto connect
01:20<No1>or gnome look ,kde look
01:22<overddose>i think you would have to set the connections up before you hooked it up.
01:22<overddose>like whatever you are connecting, configure it once, then it should be there waiting to accept it.
01:23<overddose>auto-completing the connection, thats how it works for me on xbl :/ not sure if its the same
01:23<firefox>overddose, well I got everything running... I notice I get dced now to. I have a script that flushes iptables and redoes them.. it works after that. =/
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01:24<overddose>thats weird as hell... im guessing its flushing the server ip from the table and disconnecting you midway.
01:24<overddose>i wouldnt use the script in that case.
01:24<firefox>I mean it works again after the script is ran
01:24<firefox>I had the same problem with a cell modem..
01:24<overddose>so its not running constantly?
01:25<overddose>i dont think you really need the script,
01:25<firefox>overddose, well it is.. now its says 2404ms ..
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01:26<overddose>it should get higher obviously
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01:27<overddose>your debian system is connected via wlan right?
01:27<overddose>and the comp running wow is going to the debian system to bridge?
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01:32<firefox>overddose, yeah
01:32<firefox>and I iptables the wlan to the bridge
01:33<overddose>im thinking you should disable the script, it sounds like something that could interfere with the bridge quite alot
01:33<firefox>it only runs when I run it
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01:33<firefox>its just to redo the rules
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01:35<overddose>i need a bite to eat, i will be back in like 30 minutes
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02:13<firefox>hmmm... I think I found my problem. moblock.. probably need to reconfigure it
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02:18<gihad>Guys, I can list wireless networks with "iwlist ra0 scan" but there is no way I can connect to them, I tried wicd and networkmanager
02:19<gihad>my card uses the rt2860 module
02:22<No1>if u can see list why cannot u connect
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02:30<gihad>No1, I don't know... it just doesn't work :/
02:30<gihad>I tried so many different things
02:31<No1>u see network manager icon top right ?
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02:31<gihad>I'm using KDE right now...
02:32<No1>no icon top right >
02:33<No1>or bottom right
02:34<gihad>Noi icon, but when I start "NetworkManager" I see the icon
02:34<gihad>And the icon doesn't display any networks at all
02:34<No1>wht do u see ?
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02:35<No1>text blacked out
02:36<gihad>There isn't even a list
02:36<No1>goto /etc/network/interfaces
02:37<gihad>can I paste it here ?
02:37<No1>im not sure
02:37<gihad># The loopback network interface
02:37<gihad>auto lo
02:37<gihad>iface lo inet loopback
02:37<gihad># The primary network interface
02:37<gihad>allow-hotplug eth0
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02:37<No1>ok guess not
02:37<No1>pm me it
02:38<No1>ok rename tht file
02:38<No1>save it somewhere
02:38<No1>make another file called interfaces
02:39<gihad>What do I put in it ?\
02:40<No1>auto lo
02:40<No1>iface lo inet loopback
02:40<No1>save it reboot
02:40<No1>try tht might werk
02:41<No1>if not replace with old file
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02:50<gihad>No1, hey, I'm back... what do I put in the interfaces file ?
02:51<No1>auto lo
02:51<No1>iface lo inet loopback
02:51<No1>just them 2 lines
02:51<No1>save the old one
02:52<No1>then u can replace back if it dont work :)
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02:53<eix_kbsd>it works
02:53<No1>no idea yet :/
02:53<eix_kbsd>debian on a freebsd kernel :-)
02:53<gihad>after changing the file what should I do ?
02:53<gihad>ok, bbr
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02:54<No1>he is suicidle
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02:55<eix_kbsd>isn't reloading the interfaces file cheaper, I did a /etc/init.d/networking restart?
02:55<No1>u can yes
02:55<No1>but im so tired
02:55<No1>i couldnt remember tht
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02:57<No1>hi prassyy btw :)
02:58<prassyy>hello :No1
02:58<prassyy>I'm having a bit of a problem trying to make my first kernel module..
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03:00<No1>u getting errors prassyy
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03:01<prassyy>No1: Yes sir, I'm. I'm trying to get my "hello world" thingi going here..but after 'make' it prompts the error
03:02<eix_kbsd>hmm, no zsh for kfreebsd
03:02<No1>which error
03:02<prassyy>make -C /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build M= modules
03:02<prassyy>make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
03:02<prassyy>make: *** [all] Error 2
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03:03<No1>thts all
03:04<prassyy>yes sir, thats all of it. As I said, a simple hello world kernel module thing here :)
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03:07<No1>ill send u a link prassyy
03:08<No1>read near the bottom
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03:15<prassyy>:No1 I don't see the module.h nor init.h, but this same problem happened in fedora 11 too after I tried to compile my code a second time. The first time was successful. I think I'll install the kernel headers now. ty..Any idea why this happened?
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03:16<No1>no idea sorry im a learner just like u prassyy sir
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03:16<No1>maybe headers
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03:17<No1>or not the right tools
03:17<prassyy>I wonder why the same code not run twice. I just did it. hmm.. maybe.
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03:18<No1>you need higher linux ppl then me sorry :)
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03:19<prassyy>modesty.. Don't think its a threating issue to worry the God's :P -- we must learn
03:20<No1>yes im here to watch and learn
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04:27<sivang>howdy all
04:28<sivang>anybody know where the debian router howto vanished from ?
04:28<overddose>nol, you still here?
04:28<sivang>I'm desperately looking for a debian router howot
04:29<overddose>whats your problem?
04:30<sivang>overddose: trying to NAT between an eth1 that a wireless router/AP is connected to, and and an ath0
04:30<sivang>overddose: have any idea how I could achive that?
04:30<sivang>eth1 = wired
04:30<sivang>ath0 = Atheros
04:30<overddose>what have you tried so far?
04:31<overddose>are you trying to activate the nat and add those devices?
04:32<sivang>sort of
04:32<overddose> try that
04:33<sivang>overddose: why thank you that looks promising
04:33<sivang>overddose: how do I clean all the previous junk rules I created?
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04:33<overddose>depends where you made them
04:33<overddose>i mean, what they were applied to
04:34<sivang>that look svery similar to the router script that was once on
04:34<sivang>all ifaces
04:34<sivang>all traffic
04:34<overddose>nevermind them
04:34<overddose>you can take care of those later
04:34<sivang>11 iptables -F
04:34<sivang>supposed to do that
04:35<sivang>hmm ? Bad argument `–to'
04:36<overddose>sivang, i will make you a pastebin
04:36<overddose>now if i can remember that damn debian paste bin url...
04:36<sivang>overddose: cool, thanks dude. I knew this channel would proove more handy then #ubuntu :)
04:36<sivang>overddose: use plone
04:36*sivang is a plone hacker
04:36<sivang>well, at least I consider myself one :)
04:38<overddose>not a h4x0r liek me. i haz at least 7k roots grouped into an irc net of 17k
04:38<overddose>hurr hurr im a baus
04:38<sivang>7k roots?
04:38<sivang>grouped into irc net of 17k ?
04:38<sivang>not sure I follow you
04:39<sivang>what if I want all the ports?
04:39<sivang>not just 3389 ?
04:39<overddose>i think you can do 1 - *max port*
04:40<overddose>are you enabling dmz on it?
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04:42<sivang>no, i have no need for a dmz
04:43<sivang>be right back
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04:48<overddose>anyone know what the name of that thing was that made sparkles whenever you opened a new window?
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05:09<Ozzle>Where can I look if my hardware is supported by debian?
05:09<overddose>what piece of hardware is it?
05:10<Ozzle>Ati radeon HD 3200
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05:11<overddose>its supported
05:11<overddose>what kernel are you running
05:11<overddose>uname -r
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05:11<Ozzle>I'm not on debian right now
05:12<overddose>did you find the drivers for it online?
05:12<overddose>they may not be needed, as its most likely supported in 2.6.30
05:12<Gold24>overddose: nah i'm sure he wrote them himself ;)
05:12<Ozzle>Yes, I found drivers
05:13<overddose>do you know how to compile them?
05:13<Ozzle>Think so
05:13<Ozzle>but last time I did that, X crashed
05:13<Gold24>you're using the debian way i hope
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05:14<overddose>i still cant figure out how to compile drivers in debian -_-
05:15<overddose>at this stage in the game, it doesnt matter. i got the card working fine, just had to update kernel
05:15<Gold24>overddose: module-assistant is a great tool
05:15<overddose>i tried to use the terminal
05:15<overddose>insmod didnt accept .k files
05:15<overddose>or .ko files
05:16<overddose>so i think i broke it
05:16<overddose>dpkg: squeeze
05:16<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. Expected to be released in early 2010, see
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05:17<overddose>gold, do you know that thing that made sparkles when you opened a window?
05:17<overddose>in debian?
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05:20<Gold24>overddose: nope
05:21<overddose>wait, its not beryl...
05:21<overddose>beryl was the jello like window mod.
05:21*Gold24 has a very low effects desktop by choice
05:21*overddose is sad
05:21*overddose cant find that damn effect
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05:22*overddose is really 14 years old.
05:23<overddose>gold, any ideas as to why my synaptic broke?
05:23<overddose>it just opens and closes really fast.
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05:30<overddose>.sh is a shell script right?
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06:16<StyXman>since almost a month now both dselect and aptitude tell me that any non-installed package is a new package. what could be broken?
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07:08<the-dude>StyXman: isn't that normal?
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07:26<StyXman>the-dude: actually is a bug:
07:26<the-dude>StyXman: weird bug :) lucky you ;)
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07:32<StyXman>I think yeah, I wanted to retort, but run out of vowels :-P
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07:58<terpstra>is it possible to somehow install package dependencies in a porterbox chroot?
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08:05<tofix>hello all , i'm looking for an opensource solution that provide the same flexibility that VMware snapshooting .... i try both Xen and KVM but can't have a snapshooting equivalent unless i use LVM for their disk ....
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08:06<tofix>I need to use snapshot for classroom purpose
08:06<terpstra>what does vmware snapshotting do?
08:06<terpstra>xen can pause/resume a domU and lvm can snapshot the disk ..
08:06<tofix>A quick and fast (less than 2 min ) recover
08:07<terpstra>i am not familiar with vmware, so i don't know what 'recover' means in that context
08:07<Yoda-BZH>virtualbox ?
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08:08<dr|z3d>vmware or virtualbox..
08:08<dr|z3d>Sun's _free_ vm solution. Also available as OSS.
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08:13<Gold24>and the oss is packaged for debian
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08:13<Gold24>in the repository as virtualbox-ose
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08:17<Halitech>hi folks, having trouble with Debian testing and an ati hd 4350 video card, I can get the native resolution of the LCD screen I'm using but scrolling in all windows is slow, I've tried installing the drivers from ATI and I've tried installing them as per the wiki on installing ati drivers but I never get the control center and usually end up with a message floating on my screen saying output not supported. any ideas? fglrxinfo gives this messag
08:17<Halitech>e ..
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08:20<Chetic>can anybody recommend an app that handles matrix multiplications?
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08:36<locklace>Chetic: maxima
08:37<dergutemann>Folgendes Problem
08:37<dergutemann>apt-get upgrade
08:37<dergutemann>Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
08:37<dergutemann>Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut
08:37<dergutemann>Lese Status-Informationen ein... Fertig
08:37<dergutemann>Die folgenden Pakete sind zurückgehalten worden:
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08:37<dergutemann> Kann neue (vermeintliche) Info-Datei »/var/lib/dpkg/« nicht installieren: Ist ein Verzeichnis
08:38<dergutemann>Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:
08:38<dergutemann> /var/cache/apt/archives/libio-pty-perl_1%3a1.07-2_i386.deb
08:38<dergutemann>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
08:38<dergutemann>okok kein grooser paste
08:38<locklace>!lart dergutemann
08:38*dpkg duct-tapes dergutemann to the floor and drools on him
08:38<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
08:38<adlpaf>dergutemann: you are in a wrong channel
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08:38<dergutemann>ok thx
08:38<Chetic>locklace: Thanks! Looks promising
08:38<adlpaf>you're welcome
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08:40<dergutemann>sers folgendes Problem beim apt-get upgrade mit libio-pty-perl
08:40<dergutemann>dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von /var/cache/apt/archives/libio-pty-perl_1%3a1.07-2_i386.deb (--unpack):
08:40<dergutemann> Kann neue (vermeintliche) Info-Datei »/var/lib/dpkg/« nicht installieren: Ist ein Verzeichnis
08:40<dpkg>dergutemann: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
08:40<abrotman>dergutemann: english here, and stop pasting in the channel
08:40<adlpaf>dergutemann: you havee to go to
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08:41<dergutemann>sry wrong channel
08:41<adlpaf>dergutemann: there are people to talk in german, not here
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09:07<juliana>hola a todos
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10:08<mjk>My primary display port on my Nvidia card just broke. The secondary port works on console, but as soon as X starts, the display becomes black. Anyone knows how to tell the binary Nvidia driver to use the secondary port as standard output?
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10:27<sqrt>привет всем, кто сможет помочь по настройке debian
10:30<azeem>sqrt: this is an english-language channel
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10:40<sqrt>russian channel
10:40<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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11:00<gihad>No1, Hey, your solution to my wireless problem worked
11:00<No1>good to gihad
11:00<No1>good work man
11:00<gihad>No1, but I did have to downgrade to kernel 2.6.29
11:01<gihad>But it's ok
11:01<No1>u have kernels @ boot
11:01<gihad>I have 2 kernels
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11:01<gihad>2.6.30 and 2.6.29(I download from a backport)
11:02<No1>yes im running 30
11:03<No1>30 is still testing kernel i think gihad
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11:03<gihad>It's under squeeze
11:03<No1>ow im new to debian
11:03<kop>squeeze is testing
11:04<gihad>and I think unstable also uses 2.6.30
11:04<No1>i used to role with ubuntu
11:04<No1>yes maybe
11:04<No1>so far fingers crosed mine works
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11:04<abrotman>judd: kernels
11:04<judd>abrotman: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-7~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
11:05<No1>nice info thanks abrotman
11:06<gihad>I'm gonna try 2.6.31
11:06<No1>i was on tht last week
11:06<No1>got from kernel .com compiled it
11:06<No1>but i think 30 is much better with my hardware
11:07<dpkg>make-kpkg is probably the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
11:07<gihad>How do I install trunk: 2.6.31 ? IS there a way to do it from apt ?
11:08<jrabbit>!kp mantra
11:08<dpkg>methinks kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd.
11:08<jrabbit>oh thats cool
11:08<No1>not sure mr gihad
11:08<No1>maybe it will be a explosive adventure for you
11:08*No1 chew`s a @pple
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11:17<Gihad>2.6.29 is not stable on my hardware... I rebooted twice :/
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11:18<oncoma>has anyone a debian-package for skype, version 2.0.* an would be so kind and give it to me?
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11:18<GT>Here we go. I'm on Squeeze, fully updated. I just removed the partition I had Lenny on to save space. GRUB2 seems a little broken up about this, insisting "Partition not found" when the partition I had GRUB2's files is clearly still there. GRUB2's documentation is rather lacking. Any advice?
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11:19<No1>:( Gihad
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11:20<gsimmons>dpkg: tell oncoma -about skype
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11:23<GT>Advice? Having? Anybody?
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11:24<abrotman>update-grub ?
11:24<dr|z3d>GT: Can you run update-grub from a chroot..
11:24<abrotman>or oyu're saying it doesn't boot at all ?
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11:28<GT>dr|z3d: Something along the lines of "No parition for /." I did it a little while ago.
11:29<Gihad>guys, is down... is there another way I can install the kernel ?
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11:29<dr|z3d>GT No root partition. Hmm. And you've checked grub.cfg?
11:31<abrotman>Gihad: been down for ages .. why do you need tha tkernel ?
11:32<GT>dr|z3d: I tried that, but it wouldn't seem to open. I was running from an old Ubuntu flashdrive installer I had lying around, and it said it couldn't fi9nd a file to open it. Let me stop this other thing I was trying and have another look.
11:34<dr|z3d>nano /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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11:36<GT>Yeah, I know, I was just sort of rushing at the time, and thought they might have changed it or some such thing. The manual said it was more like a script than anything, but it also said it was oyut of date in big, bold letters.
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11:37<Gihad>abrotman, I need to try kernel 2.6.31 since 2.6.30 and 2.6.29 aren't working well for me
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11:38<gsimmons>Gihad: Trunk kernels are currently packaged in experimental ; /msg dpkg trunk kernel
11:39<abrotman>Gihad: aren't working in what way ?
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11:49<Gihad>abrotman, I have the wireless card from ralink, rt2860sta module... it works in .29 but not in .30
11:49<Gihad>but .29 randomly freezes my system frequently
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11:49<ehren>my friend is using kde 4.3 on unstable.... he claims it's in the repositories but all I can see is 4.2 even in experimental. anyone know what gives?
11:50<dr|z3d>ehren: Your repositories, probably.
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11:53<ehren>dr|z3d: (or anyone else) mind taking a look at my sources.list -->
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11:55<gsimmons>Gihad: Do you have firmware-ralink package (version 0.17 or later) installed? Firmware from userspace is required by the rt2860sta driver in Debian kernel images since 2.6.30.
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11:57<Gihad>gsimmons, what do I have to do after installing that package ?
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11:57<abrotman>reload the wireless driver
11:58<Gihad>when I install firmware-ralink, does it overwrite the older module automatically ?
11:58<gsimmons>Gihad: It doesn't install any modules.
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11:59<Gihad>So how does it work ? I install firmware-ralink and than just do rmmod and modprobe ?
12:00<ehren>For the last couple of months I've decided not to safe-upgrade sid anymore... I only upgrade the packages I want and let them pull in whatever dependencies they need... could this be why aptitude is not showing me the most recent packages?
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12:02<Gihad>installing the firmware-ralink doesn't solve my problem, when I try to bring the interface up with "ifconfig ra0 up" I get "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not permitter"
12:02<Ozzle>how do I use the pkg rar to compress files?
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12:03<dr|z3d>Ozzle: man rar
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12:04<bo>ciao, ho appena installato ubuntu jaunty, ma non mi va l'audio, cosa posso fare?
12:04<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
12:04<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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12:18<bo>ho un problema urgente con la scheda udio che non funziona! come posso fare?
12:19<No1>bo, can u try in english ?
12:20<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:20<No1>:)) learning about this channel
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12:22<steffan>No1: :)
12:22<No1>thanks steffan appreciate it :)
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12:50<overddose>hey guys.
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12:54<steffan>overddose: Hi
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12:55<overddose>my xorg keeps dying whenever i try to install beryl.
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12:57<overddose>hi steffan :D
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12:58<hyperactivething>how do I set up an HP Deskjet D1360 to work with cups?
12:58<steffan>overddose: What version of Debian?
12:58<overddose>5.03 with 2.6.30 kernel
12:59<steffan>hyperactivething: 'hpijs' is the recommended driver to use, others such as '3920' will work too
13:00<steffan>hyperactivething: you need hplip >= 1.6.6 too
13:01<hyperactivething>steffan: i'm using hplip 2.8.6, so that should be no problem
13:01<steffan>hyperactivething: Then it should work
13:01<hyperactivething>steffan: how do I tell cups to use that driver? lpadmin -p xxx -i hpijs.ppd ?
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13:02<overddose>i thought there was an onboard cups configuration system :/
13:02<dr|z3d>overddose: Try foomatic
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13:03<dr|z3d>overddose: Also: hpijs
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13:05<overddose>dr|z3d: thats hyperactivethings problem, my problem is when i add the string that it tells me to when i run the installation for beryl, it crashes my xorg
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13:06<dr|z3d>overddose: Beryl? Why not compiz?
13:06<rodrigo>good afternoon
13:06<rodrigo>I'm newbi on the irc
13:06<overddose>compiz doesnt work for some reason
13:06<steffan>rodrigo: Hi
13:07<overddose>welcome rodrigo
13:07<rodrigo>where you from ?
13:07<overddose>midwestern us.
13:07<steffan>rodrigo: This is a support channel, #debian-offtopic is the place for social chat
13:08<rodrigo>what's the news ?
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13:09<dr|z3d>overddose: If compiz doesn't, beryl's even less likely to.. suggest you focus on getting compiz working.
13:09<rodrigo>what happen ?
13:09<overddose>what all is there, modification-wise
13:10<overddose>how to i access the stuff in compiz anyway
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13:10<dr|z3d>fusion-icon is useful; also, there are config tools.
13:11<No1>sorry to jump in
13:11<dr|z3d>overddose: apt-cache search compiz |grep config
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13:11<No1>overddose, wht is the spec of ur computer ?
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13:12<overddose>nol: ?
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13:12<No1>ram gfx card
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13:14<kisisten>hi, iceweasel 3.5? will it be on debian?
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13:14<rodrigo>what the best sniffer by the wireless networks ?
13:14<rodrigo>kismet ?
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13:15<overddose>Nol: 3gb ram, and lemme find the gfx card
13:15<overddose>laptop :D
13:15<dr|z3d>rodrigo: kismet is plenty fine for sniffing.
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13:16<kisisten>overddose: testing ?
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13:17<overddose>Nol: ATI Radeon X1250 - 128mb-831mb allocated
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13:18<No1>i have trouble with compiz and my ati
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13:19<overddose>it doesnt work.
13:19<overddose>i enable something
13:19<overddose>configure it
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13:19<overddose>and it unchecks it and never works
13:19<No1>same as my ati
13:19<overddose>what can i do, modification-wise.
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13:20<overddose>i want a squishy window :[
13:20<No1>i never get it to work with ati driver
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13:20<No1>but kinda works with mesa driver
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13:21<marsupio>have fun
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13:23<overddose>whenever i add the string it tells me to, it crashes xorg :[
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13:24<No1>yes i think its mesa
13:24<No1>im just checking
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13:25<overddose>wtf is mesa
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13:26<MJD>mesa is the open source implementation of opengl for a variety of graphic cards.
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13:27<MJD>ATI also provides an implementation of opengl in their drivers.
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13:28<No1>thts only thing tht works compiz with my ati on laptop hope tht is helpful information
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13:31<overddose>im on a laptop :P
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13:32<overddose>anyone remember the name of the thing that made sparkles when you opened a window :)
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13:32<overddose>also, where would i go to make it where it doesnt open a new window when i double click on a folder
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13:34<MJD>overddose: what file manager do you use?
13:34<overddose>how can i tell :/
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13:35<MJD>what does the title bar say when you open a folder?
13:35<overddose>MJD: i dont think i changed anything. so whatever is default on 5.03
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13:35<MJD>are you running gnome?
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13:37<MJD>I don't personally use gnome, so I'm unsure. My best guess is check out the mouse settings, see if they have an option about single vs double clicking. Does anyone else know?
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13:38<No1>erm ..
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13:38<No1>edit => preferences => Behaviour => always open in browser
13:38<steffan>MJD: Edit/Preferences/Behavior
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13:42<overddose>is there a place to find a full blown theme?
13:42<dr|z3d>For what?
13:42<overddose>i mean
13:42<dr|z3d>And define "full blown".
13:42<overddose>splash screen + login screen + background + colors
13:43<overddose>something thats all black'
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13:43<dr|z3d>Some distros do that, but you'd need to find themes for usplash, gdm and gnome, or similar.
13:44<dr|z3d>There might be sites offering integrated theme solutions.., google will know best.
13:44<jrabbit>overddose: maybe gnome-art kde-art/look ?
13:44<overddose>i was on gnome art, found my new background :]
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13:45<overddose>is it possible to put different backgrounds on workspaces?
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13:45<locklace>no. it violates the laws of physics
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13:46<TuCO>Hello, Good afternoon everyone.
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13:47<TuCO>I need a help my friends.
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13:48<TuCO>Someone could show me a tool for network monitoring Web?
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13:49<TuCO>Since it is not the Nagios.
13:49<locklace>!confuse TuCO
13:49<dpkg>No, how is your bacon yesterday, TuCO? Lederhosen of the Republic of Tahiti with extra crabpaste.
13:49<Meths>TuCO: depending on the kind of output you want have you looked at rrdtool and cacti?
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13:52<TuCO>Meths, I know only the Nagios.
13:53<Meths>TuCO: So now you know two more and can visit Google and read up. :)
13:53<TuCO>Meths, Which is better, Nagios or rrdtool?
13:53<noflash>TuCO, packages are listed at
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13:54<Meths>TuCO: They do different things - go do some reading we aren't going to explain the ins and outs of network monitoring.
13:55<TuCO>Meths, cool
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13:56<overddose>rrdtool is better for monitoring
13:56<overddose>especially if you are depending on nagios
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13:56<overddose>imo, nagios is pretty lame :/
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13:57<TuCO>In my case, I have to find some machines that are consuming more bandwidth.
13:58<TuCO>sorry for my English, kkkkkkk
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14:09<calam>and change the ip of my team for the terminal
14:10<calam>with that command???
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14:11<Stereo>calam: you want to change your ip address ?
14:11<Stereo>calam: are you sitting in front of the machine ?
14:12<Stereo>TuCO: if your switches are snmp-capable, monitor the ports with cacti
14:12<calam>stereo yes i chage ip addres
14:14<Stereo>calam: edit /etc/network/interfaces , then enter /etc/init.d/networking restart
14:14<dr|z3d>(or use a hub)
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14:16<TuCO>Stereo, The cacti is very good, but in my house do not fear setting up my network in the snmp
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14:18<Stereo>TuCO: you mean your company doesn't like snmp ?
14:18<Stereo>TuCO: there are portuguese-speaking channels that could be easier for you
14:18<Stereo>dpkg: pt
14:18<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
14:19<TuCO>Stereo, kkkkk
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14:20<TuCO>Stereo, Not everyone wants to help
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14:21<ehren>Does anyone know why synaptic shows more up to date packages than aptitude on my sid machine... for example aptitude shows only kde 4.2 (even in experimental) while synaptic shows kde 4.3
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14:22<patrikf>ehren: tried aptitude update?
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14:25<roni-riku>tää on perseestä
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14:30<ehren>I just tried updating aptitude as well... no go
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14:31<ehren>well the update worked but not the install of kde4
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15:01<steffan>ehren: What are you trying to do?
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15:04<yhlfh>hi, i'm using xmonad, trayer seems not working. any idea?
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15:06<ehren>steffan: I'm just trying to upgrade to kde 4.3 from 4.2 but I don't want to use synaptic (I use aptitude for everything). For some reason aptitude is not showing/letting me install the most up to date packages
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15:08<steffan>ehren: Have you asked in their IRC channel?
15:08<Dyou>Hello everyone, how do i update xfce? I am currently running debian 4.0.
15:08<abrotman>Dyou: why are you using etch and not lenny?
15:08<Dyou>abrotman: I am renting a seedbox that only have debian 4.0 and would like to upgrade it
15:09<steffan>ehren: #debian-kde
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15:09<Dyou>yes abrotman.
15:09<ehren>steffan: thanks, I'll try that
15:09<steffan>abrotman: "A seedbox is a private dedicated server used for the uploading and downloading of digital files."
15:09*abrotman has no idea why a seedbox would run etch instead of lenny
15:09<steffan>aparently, I've never heard of the phrase before either
15:09<abrotman>Dyou: so why does it run etch and not lenny? and why is it running X ?
15:10<overddose>a seedbox running etch!?!?!?
15:10<Dyou>abrotman: Uhm, I have no clue
15:10<Dyou>I rented it now for 150$, and I would like to upgrade it. I don't know anything other than that
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15:10<steffan>Dyou: Then you should upgrade Debian before packages, surely?
15:10<abrotman>dpkg: etch->lenny
15:10<dpkg>Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>.
15:11<Dyou>steffan: I have never used linux until now when ilogged in. So I have no clue howtodo anything :P
15:11<Dyou>thanks abrotman
15:11<steffan>Dyou: I see, welcome
15:12<Dyou>Thank you
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15:14<Dyou>How do you check for which version u currently have?
15:15<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
15:15<Dyou>so to check debian its the cat /etc thingy?
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15:17<steffan>Dyou: 'cat /etc/debian_version'
15:18<Dyou>Thanks and gooedvening
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15:20<Hukka>I've been having big problems compiling kernels lately. Somehow they aren't able to mount the initramfs, even though it does exist (and grub notices it). Or at least I suspect that's what's happening, the error is "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)"
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15:22<Hukka>Hints on how to solve this?
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15:39<hgh>hey debian!
15:39<hgh>is it ok to call you debain?
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15:41<tazz>no reply i guess its not ok, to call him/her/it debian :)
15:41<hgh>Women's rights activists got my free-software programs deleted from sourceforge (and persued the deletion of my accounts everywhere else) along with my ~40 nexuiz videogame maps and other GPLd media ( has the info and links to them gloating). They are also trying to have me imprisoned for my anti-women's rights beliefs.
15:41<hgh>Here is where they gloat:
15:42<hgh>Here is where they try to track me down and talk of having me arrested and how they have reported me to their local police and to the fbi:
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15:43<hgh>overddose, women who do nothing for free-software other than "bug hunt" "package" and "complain about RMS and marc shuttleworth" have gotten my contributions deleted
15:43<hgh>over 900 mb of my stuff.
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15:43<overddose>software knows no gender.
15:44<metalqga>gender knows no software
15:44<hgh>overddose, well why is it that my contributions are deleted from the internet?
15:44<hgh>the geek feminists do not contribute to OSS
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15:45<overddose>you shouldnt state your political status in your software then.
15:45<hgh>yet their demands that my contributios are deleted are obeyed
15:45<hgh>It is my right to put whatever I want in my software
15:46<overddose>you put whatever you want in your software on your own website if you dont want it pulled
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15:46<hgh>why is it that feminism trumps free speech?
15:46<hgh>in opensource?
15:46<hgh>overddose, my website is gone
15:46<hgh>they were trying to use it to get me arrested
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15:47<hgh>you can't "put your software on your own website" unless you happen to own an ISP
15:47<hgh>they get everything shutdown
15:47<hgh>because every cunt sucking male tech admin (aswell as female tech admin) believes in women's rights
15:47<overddose>if someone wants to be radical towards your free speech, then you be radical back.
15:47<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
15:48<hgh>How? Faggot tech admins are pro-women's rights
15:48<hgh>they help them, not me
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16:08<Tuplad>I plugged in a memory card in my memory reader (built in the computer) but it doesn't automount O_O how can I access it ?
16:09<klando>Hello, I am new to kerberos and I try to mount nfs4 with sec=krb5, but it fail. (access denied by server while mounting) I failed to understand what is wrong, any tips welcome :)
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16:11<klando>Hum, I have set : NEED_SVCGSSD=yes but the daemon is not running...
16:11<carolin>Anybody know how to change the boot sequence in grub2?
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16:13<Tuplad>I plugged in a memory card in my memory reader (built in the computer) but it doesn't automount O_O how can I access it ?
16:13<abrotman>dmesg .. look to see where it put it
16:13<carolin>Tuplad does it mount in windows?
16:14<Tuplad>carolin: yes
16:15<carolin>ok try fdisk -l and see if it is listed
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16:15<Tuplad>dmesg output:
16:15<Tuplad>carolin: not in fdisk
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16:16<abrotman>no workie
16:17<Tuplad>but it workie in windows :<
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16:17<carolin>Toplad lsusb
16:18<eix_>Tuplad: you could do 'dmesg|less', then do 'G', and look, what the kernel says about your memory-card. possibly you can mount it with something like '# mount /dev/sda /mnt/memorycard'
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16:19<Tuplad>eix_: that was the only information in dmesg about my memory card
16:19<Tuplad>eix_: before that was my external harddrive plugged in this morning
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16:24<Tuplad>so, any suggestions ? :p
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16:25<carolin>u are not the only one with this issue
16:25<abrotman>Tuplad: uname -a
16:25<carolin>i am looking online for a solution
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16:25<eix_>Tuplad: hmm, doesn't sound good. Does it happen all the time?
16:26<Tuplad>eix_: it used to work, now it doesn't... :(
16:26<Tuplad>eix_: small gsm cards do work
16:26<Tuplad>abrotman: oops
16:26<Tuplad>abrotman: Linux atmosphere 2.6.30-2-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Sep 25 22:16:56 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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16:30<Flakk>Hi people, I have a question about Icedove. I have downloaded my mailbox from yahoo adress and uploaded it to googlemail without any problem and rather quickly through Icedove. But I have just realized that the "SENT" folder was not downloaded from yahoo. I am trying to do this, and can not find corresponding tool in the Icedove menu. Any help?
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16:36<carolin>Toplad have u tried a live cd from another distro?
16:37<Tuplad>carolin: no
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16:38<sander_>Hi. I have a question about Exim. Currently all e-mail for my domain goes to a mailserver running in a datacenter somewhere and I simply POP3 everything with Thunderbird on my desktop. This is getting inflexible because now I have multiple computers at home. I have a home server so I want to IMAP from there. That means I need an MTA on my home server. Exim. Can I set it up in such a way that it understands that is destined for itself b
16:38<sander_>ut that needs to go to the main mailserver in the datacenter?
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16:40<bifrost>hablas castellano_
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16:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:43<carolin>Toplad: sorry dude I am googled out, seems like other have the same issue and some do not, try a news group for answers
16:43<Tuplad>carolin: haha, thanks for the effort though :(
16:44<wnd>sander_, I think you want to take a look at dc_other_hostnames option. don't ask me more about it, I haven't had to configure exim for years.
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16:51<sander_>wnd: I'll have a look at what debconf does for exim4. I've never set up anything more complicated than basic smarthost delivery with no local delivery, so I have a *lot* to take in and learn at the moment :-)
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16:53<overddose>dpkg: beryl
16:53<dpkg>Beryl was a compositing window manager for the X Window System, previously a fork of <Compiz>. The Beryl Project was merged with Compiz Extras in 2007 to form Compiz Fusion. #compiz-fusion on
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16:56<overddose>so compiz and beryl are unstable when being used with an ati card?
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16:57<abrotman>judd: versions beryl
16:57<judd>abrotman: beryl --
16:57<abrotman>it's not in unstable
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16:57<overddose>hi abrotman.
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16:58<Flakk> Hi people, I have a question about Icedove. I have downloaded my mailbox from yahoo adress and uploaded it to googlemail without any problem and rather quickly through Icedove. But I have just realized that the "SENT" folder was not downloaded from yahoo. I am trying to do this, and can not find corresponding tool in the Icedove menu. Any help?
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17:04<overddose>hmm. compiz hates me.
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17:11<pipegeek_>compiz hates everybody
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17:16<overddose>compiz still doesnt like me :[
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17:16<locklace>!hug overddose
17:16*dpkg wraps his shiny metal lovin' arms around overddose
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17:17<overddose>!hug locklace
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17:17<steffan>overddose: What is the problem?
17:17<overddose>the official compiz guide tells me to add those lines to xorg.conf, and when i do that, it doesnt load
17:17<steffan>dpkg: smart questions
17:17<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
17:18<overddose>ati radeon hd 3200 is graphics card
17:19<MJD>overddose: Do you use the ATI driver (fglrx)?
17:19<overddose>how can i find out?
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17:19<terpstra>why are some people's names greyed out ?
17:19<MJD>Did you install any of the fglrx- packages?
17:19<terpstra><- IRC noob
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17:19<dr|z3d>terpstra: What client are you running?
17:19<overddose>terpstra, your name should be the only one greyed out
17:20<overddose>mjd, no
17:20<terpstra>for example And1 and ansgar are grey
17:20<wnd>terpstra, your client could be showing some people grey because they're are marked as being "away"
17:20<MJD>then your not using ati driver.
17:20<wnd>xchat definitely does that
17:20<steffan>terpstra: Faded clients are away.
17:21<overddose>so what should i do?
17:21<overddose>@ mjd
17:21<MJD>overddose: what does "grep radeon /etc/X11/xorg.conf" say?
17:21<MJD>also, are you running stable or testing/unstable?
17:22<overddose>debian 5.03 with 2.6.30 kernel
17:22<overddose>not squeezee anymore
17:23<MJD>As far as I know, the default drivers with stable don't support opengl with hd 3200 (I have one too). Neither does unstable/testing.
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17:23<overddose>in synaptic, it says that i have fglrx installed
17:24<MJD>what does "lsmod|grep fglrx" say?
17:24<MJD>anything or nothing?
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17:26<overddose>how do i enable direct rendering on this card?
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17:27<MJD>overddose: I recommend you install fglrx (the latest available from backports).
17:27<faheem>overddose: i assume you have edited xorg.conf suitably?
17:28<overddose>im not entirely sure on how to correctly edit xorg.conf
17:28<overddose>fglrx is up to date
17:28<overddose>i just add the strings it tells me to to the end of the list
17:28<MJD>what version do you have installed?
17:28<faheem>overddose: there is documentation on how to do this somewhere. the kernel should be loading the kernel module at least. check with module you have listed in xorg.conf
17:29<faheem>with -> what
17:29<faheem>X module or whatever it is called...
17:29<Flakk>Hi people, I have a question about Icedove. I have downloaded my mailbox from yahoo adress and uploaded it to googlemail without any problem and rather quickly through Icedove. But I have just realized that the "SENT" folder was not downloaded from yahoo. I am trying to do this, and can not find corresponding tool in the Icedove menu. Any help?
17:30<overddose>faheem, what am i looking for specifically? i have inputdevice, device, monitor, screen
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17:31<faheem>overddose: Driver in Device section.
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17:31<faheem>eg. i have Driver "nvidia" since I am using an nvidia card.
17:32<faheem>i think you may need fglrx or similar. check the docs
17:32<overddose>fglrx is up to date
17:32<faheem>overddose: don't follow. what is up to date?
17:32<faheem>the debian package?
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17:32<overddose>i have 2 sections that say inputdevice
17:33<faheem>overddose: ok, but i'm talking about the xorg,conf file
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17:33<overddose>input device" driver "kbd"
17:33<faheem>X needs to load the correct driver
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17:33<MJD>overddose: you have to compile the fglrx module for your kernel. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear there is a version of fglrx available to stable that support 2.6.30.
17:34<overddose>whats the latest supported kernel
17:34<faheem>Section device. not input device.
17:34<MJD>w/e the version is in stable.
17:34<overddose>it just says identifier "configured video device"
17:34<faheem>MJD: module assistant can do such things trivially.
17:35<MJD>faheem: He is probably using radeon, as I believe X chooses that by default.
17:35<faheem>overddose: there has got to be a section just called: Section "Device"
17:35<faheem>MJD: probably
17:35<overddose>there is
17:35<MJD>faheem: Also, fglrx is too old. It doesn't support the kernel new api.
17:35<MJD>It probably will fail to compile.
17:35<faheem>MJD: ok. not very familar with these cards. what is the replacement driver?
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17:36<overddose>Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device"
17:36<MJD>faheem: Failing fglrx, radeon and radeonhd are the OSS drivers. But they don't support 3d accel.
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17:36<faheem>regardless what the driver is, he still needs to modify the X conf.
17:36<MJD>they do 2d accel (finally) with the 2.6.30 kernel.
17:37<faheem>Driver should be just below Identifier.
17:37<overddose>nothing under identifier
17:37<MJD>I tried using radeon and radeonhd with his model, and neither compiz (or kwin from kde4) will work.
17:38<faheem>overddose: weird. you mean the rest of the section is empty. can you pastebin the xorg,conf?
17:38<faheem>i've got to run soon, but maybe someone else can help.
17:38<MJD>faheem: There won't be a driver line. X is autodetecting the driver to be radeon. Same thing happened with my lappy.
17:38<faheem>MJD: i see.
17:38<faheem>well, he'll need to add it then, i guess. but if it doesn't work, probably not much point.
17:39<MJD>overddose: Can you try installing module-assistant and linux-headers-686 (make sure it install the headers for your version of the kernel.)?
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17:40<faheem>MJD: do you know fglrx doesn't work with his card?
17:40<MJD>faheem: flgrx does work with card, but his kernel might be too new.
17:40<faheem>overddose: confirmed. if you using some non-default type driver, you'll need to add it.
17:40<MJD>he's running 2.6.30, not whats in lenny.
17:40<faheem>as MJD said, it is probably autodetecting
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17:41<faheem>MJD: presumably he could use a more recent version of fglrx to go with 2.6.30.
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17:41<overddose>i dont know any of this stuff about modules and compiling and building drivers and packages :/
17:41<overddose>everything is installed fine
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17:42<faheem>MJD: I see fglrx-modules-2.6.30-2-686
17:42<MJD>except there isn't a version in backports new enough. He either have to upgrade to testing, or downgrade his kernel.
17:42<faheem>MJD: he could always just compile the source against 2.6.30 with m-a
17:42<MJD>faheem: Its for 9-9, which is in testing (I'm running it now). But overddose is running lenny.
17:42<faheem>not a big deal.
17:42<MJD>I was just going to try and get him too.
17:43<faheem>MJD: 9-9?
17:43<faheem>MJD: ok. sounds reasonable.
17:43<bighornram>I was writing files to a usb mounted drive and got an io error, now the drive only mounts as read only, I can't delete the files which were patially put on it and can't write to it. How can I reclaim this space?
17:43<MJD>overddose: can you also make sure fglrx-source is installed?
17:43<faheem>MJD: i see. 9.9 of fglrx
17:44<MJD>bighornram: What fs is on the drive?
17:44<MJD>did you try removing and re-inserting it?
17:44<overddose>MJD whats the specific name of the source?
17:45<bighornram>yes it and tried rebooting then reinserting it and keeps being read only. also mounts with files into my trash bin and I can't delet them either
17:45<MJD>overddose: fglrx-source
17:45<overddose>cant find it anywhere
17:45<overddose>not in synaptic and it doesnt resolve in apt-get
17:46<faheem>MJD: would he also need fglrx-glx ?
17:46<MJD>overddose: do you have the non-free and contrib repos. in your sources.list file (located in /etc/apt/sources.list)?
17:46<faheem>overddose: it is in lenny non-free
17:46<MJD>faheem: probably. kernel module first. If it works, everything else is easy.
17:46<faheem>MJD: ok. have fun. got to run.
17:47<MJD>faheem: ok, I try.
17:47<vvas>bighornram: you could perhaps try running dosfsck from package dosfstools on it...
17:47<vvas>bighornram: and by the way, if it's mounted *read-only* then of course you cannot delete anything
17:47<overddose>i only have the backports and stuff from the cdrom
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17:47<overddose>the volatile.debian urls were commented out
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17:49<overddose>so faheem, what should i do?
17:49<bighornram>vvas: yup
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17:50<MJD>overddose: ah, thats y. You have to add a net mirror
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17:50<MJD>overddose: my line would look like: deb testing main non-free contrib
17:51<MJD>just replace testing with lenny in that line, and ca with your country code.
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17:52<MJD>so urs would be:
17:52<MJD>deb lenny main non-free contrib
17:52<MJD>(you need that whole line.)
17:52<overddose>how do i move something as root?
17:52<overddose>i know i have to navigate to where i saved the file
17:53<overddose>then ** sources.list /etc/apt/sources/
17:53<MJD>in a terminal? my sourcefile destinationfileorfolder
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17:53<MJD>sorry, thats mv, not my
17:54<overddose>its not saving my new url
17:55<overddose>couldnt i just
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17:55<MJD>overddose: you can just append that line to sources.list
17:56<MJD>edit the file using a text editor (I'd recommend nano, it usually installed by default) and just write it out.
17:56<overddose>it got it
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17:57<overddose>i used nano to fix my xorg.conf when gnome wouldnt boot
17:57<overddose>now what
17:57<MJD>overddose: you should also add a line to get security updates. yours would look like:
17:57<MJD>deb lenny/updates main non-free contrib
17:58<overddose>it found the source
17:58<MJD>ok, install the package.
17:59<overddose>i installed the source
17:59<overddose>what else?
18:00<MJD>ok, now try running (in a terminal as root) m-a a-i fglrx
18:00<MJD>that will try to compile the module and install it.
18:01<overddose>this looks promising
18:01<overddose>installing a bunch of libs
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18:02<overddose>install glibc?
18:03<MJD>what packages are listed to be installed?
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18:03<overddose>it already finished that
18:03<overddose>its asking me a y or n
18:03<overddose>for glibc
18:04<MJD>What version is it installing?
18:04<overddose>it didnt say
18:04<overddose>i just hit yes :/
18:04<overddose>now its asking about libc6
18:05<MJD>it should be safe.
18:05<overddose>"services to restart GNU libc library upgrade:"
18:05<MJD>there isn't a newer version in backports, so its probably an update available online you haven't recieved yet.
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18:06<MJD>as long as it doesn't list gdm, its ok. if it does, just delete it from the list and hit yes.
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18:06<overddose>it brings up a blue screen
18:06<overddose>grey box
18:06<overddose>just hit no?
18:06<overddose>it finished without bringing up gdm
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18:08<overddose>check xorg?
18:08<MJD>first check, does modinfo fglrx return anything (it doesn't matter what as long as it finds the module)
18:08<GT>Network Manger indicated that I have no network connectivity, but my ability to browse the web indicates that I do. However, due to the latest Pidgin's ability to communicate with NM over Dbus, I can't use that. Any pointers?
18:09<overddose>couldnt find module fglrx
18:09<MJD>what does "dpkg -l|grep fglrx-module" say?
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18:10<cesurasean>Can anyone help me with my nxserver problem? I'm getting this output when trying to connect from nxclient. -
18:10<overddose>MJD, said nothing -_-
18:10<MJD>can you try running m-a a-i fglrx again, see if it gives any errors this time?
18:11<overddose>no errors
18:12<MJD>did it say it sucessfully installed?
18:12<jmarsden>GT: I'm no expert on this, but if you have a working network setup in /etc/network/interfaces already, I'd try disabling Network Manager completely so Pidgin can't query it.
18:12<overddose>also the first thing you told me to put in
18:12<overddose>came back with a bunch of stuff
18:12<MJD>ok, good
18:12<overddose>alias: pci:**********
18:12<MJD>can you check in synaptic that flglrx-driver, fglrx-glx, and fglrx-control are all installed?
18:13<GT>jmarsden: That is what I did last time, but NM's been such a good sport with me on all my other installs!
18:13<GT>Oh, well.
18:13<vvas>GT: perhaps pigdin has an option? or an enabled plugin that you can simply disable?
18:13<overddose>synaptic wont start
18:14<MJD>what does "dpkg -l|grep fgrlx-" give then?
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18:14<MJD>bah, thats "dpkg -l|grep fglrx-"
18:14<overddose>hmm. now the terminal wont start
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18:14<overddose>i broke it :[
18:15<MJD>dont worry yet. Press CTRL-ALT-F1, login, and run the command
18:15<MJD>if it works, then yes reboot.
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18:24<ehren>can anyone provide any assistance fixing the iceweasel no sound in flash bug? I've tried both the nonfree package and the .deb from the adobe website... no luck. I'm running iceweasel 3.5.3 on unstable.
18:25<terpstra>are your speakers plugged in? ;)
18:25<vvas>more seriously, does everything else play sound successfully?
18:26<vvas>using alsa?
18:27<streuner>most people use ALSA nowadays
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18:28<vvas>well, in many systems you have most applications using pulseaudio rather than alsa directly
18:28<vvas>(i wasn't asking in an alsa vs oss way)
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18:48<cesurasean>anyone here use nxserver??!!
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18:53<MoRaO>anyone having problems with kde4 in unestable? is a know bug or is only me?
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18:54<dr|z3d>MoRaO: you're running unstable.. you're probably not the only person having issues.
18:54<ichdasich>MoRaO: yes, kde is a known bug.
18:54<MoRaO>ok thx
18:54<dr|z3d>MoRaO: You might prefer Xfce.. then again, you might not. :)
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18:55<vvas>ts ts ts, desktop environment wars are lame :-p
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18:56<MoRaO>and i might not, yes
18:56-!-Guiiks [] has joined #debian
18:56<MJD>What are your problems? Its hard to tell if you don't say.
18:56<ichdasich>vvas: meta-questions, too. anyway....
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18:58<rg>Hallo guten Abend
18:59<ichdasich>rg: you might want to join er... ... maybe.
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19:03<MoRaO>erm, the bug traking system is a little bit particular
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19:05<rg>hallo wie kann ich allen für das betriebssystem danke sagen?
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19:07<rg>ok will nicht weiter stören sorry
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19:10<rg>kann hier überhaubt einer lesen was ich schreibe?
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19:11<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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19:11<streuner>rg: just use it, thats good enough ;-)
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19:14<streuner>rg: please talk english here or/and follow the advise of avu
19:15<rg>thx i wont to thays thanks vor These System
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19:17<rg>I like this System its Perfect!!!
19:19<streuner>We like it too :-P
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19:19<rg>can someon help me to install the san driver?
19:19<rg>Brother DCP-165C
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19:20<streuner>did you look at sane website about?
19:20<streuner>(its supported or not)
19:21<rg>ywe i have the driver from brother .com but the printer works without the scanner
19:22<rg>they supportet!!
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19:23<rg>sorry for my bad english!
19:24<streuner>just sell this device and get a HP 5600 ;)
19:24<streuner>Hewlett-Packard OfficeJet 5600
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19:24<streuner>its multifunction too
19:24<streuner>scanner, printer and fax
19:25<rg>yes a all in one Brother DCP 165C the printer works but no the scanner
19:26<streuner>hm, i dont see it on the list of supported devices (sane)...
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19:27<rg>this is my problem i can print but i can t scan!
19:28<Shadow64>Howdy all
19:28<Shadow64>Have you installed any scanner drivers?
19:28<rg>yes from brother site
19:29<Shadow64>Any specific error that you get?
19:29<Shadow64>Or just "Cannot find scanner, blah blah"?
19:29<rg>yes it cannot find scannners
19:30<Shadow64>Hm. OK, have you rebooted after installing the drivers?
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19:32<Shadow64>Sometimes you need to reboot after installing drivers as the kernel refreshes it's driver database
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19:33<rg>yes i have reboot the computer
19:34<Shadow64>Do you know what the driver module is called?
19:34<Shadow64>eg. brother100
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19:34<streuner>rg: that might help -
19:35<streuner>rg: someone said, it works (scanning)
19:35<Shadow64>By the way, can anyone tell me how i can install Xorg without all the bloat? I want just the Xorg core, but it suggests all other crap
19:35<streuner>rg: that URL is for *bunt*, but it should use as well with Debian
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19:35<Shadow64>It's for my bootstrapp'd etch, I'm sticking it on a CF card
19:35<student>guys, what is the chmod for /home/user?
19:36<streuner>Shadow64: /msg dpkg install x
19:36<Shadow64>student: It's usually 022 or 077 ithink
19:36<Shadow64>i think*
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19:37<student>its because i was having problems entering GDM
19:38<student>i wasnt having acess to editing my /home/user folder
19:38<streuner>amset:/# ls -ld /home/streuner
19:38<streuner>drwxr-xr-x 70 streuner streuner 135168 17. Okt 22:39 /home/streuner
19:39<Shadow64>streuner: Thanks, but that command suggests a lot of other packages that I don't want!
19:39<Shadow64>Odd. Any specified error?
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19:39<streuner>well, you want X, and you should install X :-)
19:40<streuner>you could remover some drivers you dont need, but they dont need much space, IMO
19:40<student>could not update ICEauthority file /home/user/.ICEauthority
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19:41<Shadow64>in terminal, try
19:41<Shadow64>sudo chmod 755 /home/streuner
19:41<Shadow64>sudo chown streuner:streuner /home/streuner
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19:41<streuner>student: what happens if you using startx instead of GDM?
19:41<rg>streuner THX it works perfectly Thanks
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19:42<nix_>hi, i have problem booting debian .. it says /dev/sde1 does not exist. dropping to a shell
19:42<nix_>anyone might help me? thanks
19:42<streuner>!congratulate rg
19:42<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies rg, you did it!
19:42<Shadow64>Silly bot, I was not flooding!
19:42<Shadow64>Just trying to help, damn it
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19:42<streuner>more than 3 lines is flooding here...
19:43<nix_>anyone might help me? thanks ...
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19:43<Shadow64>nix_: You have a invaild root partition.
19:43<Shadow64>What is your harddisk?
19:44<nix_>well 500gb hdd
19:44<nix_>i just instaled
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19:44<Shadow64> /dev/sda ?
19:44<nix_>with auto
19:44<nix_>i didnt touch anything
19:44<Shadow64>I mean, under linux, is it /dev/sda ?
19:45<nix_>well no ideea in that
19:45<nix_>i just installed with auto partion ...
19:45<nix_>and instals goes good everything ..
19:46<nix_>this happening on this box ... and the other box
19:46<nix_>both are dell
19:46<rg>THX for your help its perfectly !!! Shadow
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19:47<nix_>what's weird cause when i try to run in single user mode ... it start but it stuck at a moment
19:47<Shadow64>rg: no worries. don't thank me personally, thank the bright sparks here ;)
19:47<Shadow64>nix_: I suspect it may be missing a keneral driver
19:48<nix_>i did install the default one
19:48<Shadow64>When does it fall to a shell, after the kernel boots and just before INIT ?
19:48<nix_>well it's says
19:48<nix_>booting ..
19:48<nix_>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.26.2-686 ...
19:49<rg>ok i thanks all here and thanks for the helpline!!!
19:49<nix_>and then decompresing linux parsing elf
19:49<nix_>boothing the kernel
19:49<nix_>loading please wait ...
19:49<nix_>and it's freezing
19:49<Shadow64>rg: any time
19:49<nix_>Shadow64 and after like 5 minutes it drops me ash shell
19:50<Shadow64>Could be a variety of things...
19:50<nix_>well it's same with centos
19:50<nix_>only i could do fedora/suse
19:50<Shadow64>Sounds like a driver issue
19:50<nix_>well for hdd maybe ?
19:50<Shadow64>is it SATA or IDE?
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19:51<nix_>500gb hdd
19:51<Shadow64>could be a sata chipset issue
19:51<Shadow64>dells are known to be buggy
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19:52<nix_>well any solution? :O
19:52<Shadow64>what model is your dell?
19:52<nix_>inspirion 530
19:52<Shadow64>laptop or desk?
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19:53<Shadow64>okay, i google
19:53<nix_>i did too
19:53<nix_>but no results
19:53<nix_>and whhats weird cause on my xps 630i
19:53<nix_>but unusula it doesn't even see the hdd
19:53<nix_>it's only see hdd
19:53<nix_>< 500gb
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19:55<Shadow64>Despite being ubuntu, it could point you in the right direction
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19:56<Paggas>Where can I read about the transition to the xul-ext-* package naming scheme?
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19:57<dragaonegro>how I can change the xorg resolution on SID? after update didn't 1024x768, only 800x600.
19:58<dr|z3d>Modeline, perhaps, dragaonegro..
19:59<dragaonegro>thanks, but I think the problem with the Xorg driver. How I can change the driver, the xorg.conf is useless
20:00<nix_>Shadow64 no luck ...
20:00<dragaonegro>thanks dr|z3d!
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20:05<Shadow64>On side note, has anyone seen Debian on the Wii? It's slowish but awesome
20:06<dr|z3d>Why bother?
20:06<dr|z3d>The PS3 is slow enough, and that's much higher specced than the Wii.
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20:08<Shadow64>True, but managing to get debian on a console that has all the cpu code encrypted (to prevent hacks and crap) is a fair achievement
20:09<Shadow64>They exploited a stack overflow flaw in a certain game, wrote a kernel loader, and presto, debian started up
20:09<dr|z3d>Oh, sure, for shits and giggles, fair enough. But 0/10 for actual usefulness. :)
20:09<Shadow64>It browsed the web quite well
20:10<Shadow64>Played MP3s
20:10<Shadow64>etc etc
20:10<Shadow64>PowerPC is a dying breed, no?
20:10<dr|z3d>It seems to be, just like Motorola phones.
20:11<Shadow64>I should get my PowerMac G3 running Debian
20:11<j_14_>Shadow64: were you running X on the wii?
20:11<Shadow64>j_14_: Yup
20:12<Shadow64>In glorious 720x480
20:12<Shadow64>whatever PAL max framesize
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20:12<Shadow64>it was a distro called whiite linux
20:13<j_14_>Shadow64: and was networking usable? what about bluetooth?
20:13<Shadow64>j_14_: Not sure about networking, wifi was OK, bluetooth works, you can scan for nearby phones/PCs and hack 'em
20:14<sney>TEH HAXORS
20:14<Shadow64>the USB LAN adapter (which is stupid IMO, why not just stick the LAN Port on the back of the Wii) should work
20:14<Shadow64>The reason consoles use PowerPC is that it's cheap and available
20:15<Shadow64>I wouldn't want a PS3 with a Intel Core i7 at 3.6Ghz that costs an arm and a leg
20:15<sney>and powerpc assembly is relatively easy
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20:16<sney>Playstation 1 and 2 were MIPS, I think. but either way, RISC assembly is way easier than x86
20:16<sney>the easier the platform is to develop for, the more studios will make games for your platform, the more money you'll make, etc.
20:16<Shadow64>PowerPC actually beats x86 in a way, Intel chips have no RISC, PowerPC do, combine linux and PowerPC, you get PowerHouse
20:16<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic
20:16<dr|z3d>g3 macs run debian fine enough.. just don't be expecting magic from youtube.
20:17<Shadow64>I still having issues installing debian onto that thing
20:17<Shadow64>the cd drive is like dying
20:17<Shadow64>discs just come up as "Do you want to initialize disk?"
20:18<sney>it must be a scsi drive or else you'd probably have just replaced it
20:18<sney>a lot of those older macs use scsi cd-rom drives
20:18<sney>I had a PowerPC 8500 for a while.
20:18<dr|z3d>laptop drives, as well.
20:19<sney>dr|z3d: yah, I guess the imacs did anyway. most of the bigger stuff it was just a bezel hiding a regular drive
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20:19<dr|z3d>sney: Yeah, imacs was what I was alluding to. :)
20:20<dr|z3d>Isn't imac something you remove your leg hair with? *confoozled*
20:20*dr|z3d winks.
20:20<nix_>Shadow64 do you think in my problem it might be the kernel the problem ?
20:21<Shadow64>nix_: Sadly, yes.
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20:21<nix_>so wich kernel i should choose ?
20:21<nix_>i changed now the hdd i put 1 80gb to see how it act...
20:22<Shadow64>Usually debian normal installer installs a 686 kernel
20:23<nix_>what should i choose ?
20:23<Shadow64>When booting from the disc, type 'expert' and you'll get the l33t version of the installer
20:23<nix_>well i can chose
20:23<nix_>like xen, bigmem, normal, vm etc
20:23<Shadow64>Well, try 686
20:24<nix_>so this i did :)
20:24<Shadow64>Hm. No "targeted" option?
20:24<nix_>uhm ... no
20:24<nix_>on default instaltion
20:25<nix_>i am not sure if i can handle the expert mode
20:25<Shadow64>Do you need someone to hold your hand? [/joke]
20:25<Shadow64>don't take that seriously, I'm joking
20:26<nix_>dell desktops are really cool
20:26<nix_>but for linux i suppose not
20:26<nix_>whats it's also weird
20:26<nix_>cause on this
20:26<Shadow64>How old is the computer?
20:26<nix_>well 1 year old
20:26<nix_>well on this is xps 630i
20:26<j_14_>Shadow64: do you know what's the correct wireless driver for the wii? or can you tell me if it can do monitor mode and ap mode?
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20:27<nix_>1 hdd of 500gb it cannot be seen even by linux
20:27<nix_>it's really weird
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20:27<nix_>only suse can see it
20:27<Shadow64>nix_: Chipset support issue
20:27<nix_>why suse can see it ?:0
20:28<Shadow64>'cause it has the driver ;)
20:28<nix_>it's on 50% with a 80gb WD
20:28<nix_>i am curios if same problem
20:29<Shadow64>j_14_: Can't remember off the top of my head, I think it was some Broadcom ch
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20:29<Shadow64>It can do b and g, though
20:30<Shadow64>I think it also could Wifi scan
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20:30*Shadow64 is pulling his IBM 8363 out of the cupboard
20:31<j_14_>Shadow64: ok, thank you.
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20:31<Shadow64>just google whiite linux
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20:35<Shadow64>just a random question
20:35<Shadow64>is 128bit even possible?
20:36<sney>I don't think it's been implemented yet, but it's mathematically possible so it'll happen some day
20:36<sney>and there are 128-bit memory buses and things
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20:36<Shadow64>what's the difference? how the cpu does code handling?
20:36<sney>you'd have to ask the computer science guys that one
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20:36<sney>but one major difference is how much memory it can address
20:37<sney>not that we're going to hit the upper limit of 64-bit memory addressing any time soon, but there's always the future
20:38<remu>Hey folks, I'm running Debian testing, and I installed the Nvidia Beta drivers using the Nvidia Installer. When I had done so, I had skipped the 32bit compatibility because the last time I had tried to have the compatibility it said that some stuff wasnt found, even though I installed ia32-libs. I need the 32bit compatibility now to get some games running through wine. Does anyone know how I can go about getting it working properly?
20:39<nix_>Shadow64 well same
20:39<nix_>this is really bad :)
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20:40<nix_>damn /dev/sde1
20:40<Shadow64>nix_: The dell is to blame. Chuck it in the bin
20:40<nix_>uhm ..
20:40<nix_>don;t know really what to do ...
20:40<Shadow64>maybe try the 486 kernel?
20:41<nix_>whats the difference between ?
20:41<nix_>696 and 486 ?
20:42<Shadow64>486 is for older hardware, 686 for newer
20:42<Shadow64>i'm stepping out for a bit, see ya later peeps
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20:46<kop>nix_: Check out the kernel docs in the kernel source code package and see if there's not a knob you can turn for your hardware.
20:47<nix_>i'll make a try now iwth 484 :)
20:47<xenolalia>Hi. Whenever I boot into squeeze, audio is automatically muted. I have tried modifying my alsa settings to no avail. I've heard that switching from pulse audio to esound may work. What's the difference between these packages?
20:48<kop>nix_: 486 is for an older cpu. If it runs at all with 686 then I wouldn't think 486 would do anything. You might want to try a newer kernel. See or make-kpkg.
20:48<kop>nix_: How old is this box?
20:48<prahal>xenolalia, no diff in the depth (pulse is more portable, less latency, more featurefull that s all)
20:49<prahal>xenolalia, have you tried aplay a sound file ?
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20:49<prahal>this tool use alsa directly so should tell if alsa is muted or if it is programs conflicting for access to the sound device
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20:50<prahal>part of alsa-utils
20:50<kop>remu: Generally the recommendation is to use the non-free debian package instead of trying to install it yourself. (I use the free implimentation. YMMV.)
20:51<xenolalia>prahal, I'm sorry, I was unclear: the problem is not unmuting, but rather, that every time I boot, I must unmute.
20:51<xenolalia>If I unmute, I can here audio
20:51<remu>kop, true, but the non-free version i have found is an older version
20:51<kop>remu: Check Otherwise, well....
20:52<remu>kop, thanks anyways, i figured it out
20:52<remu>im not in here that often
20:52<kop>remu: If nobody answers you could try again later.
20:52<prahal>xenolalia, it seems alsa-utils also ships the init script that restore the sound settings . Do you have it installed
20:52<remu>but if someone else comes in here looking for this, the answer is located here
20:52<prahal>maybe it was lost in the upgrade
20:52<remu>i'm going to go and try it out
20:52<remu>bye all
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20:53<xenolalia>I should also add that this mute problem has existed, to the best of my recollection, since I first installed debian.
20:54<prahal>alsactl store , as root . Does it returns an error ?
20:55<xenolalia>No. Nothing happens.
20:55<prahal>that s what supposed to happen
20:55<xenolalia>oh, good :)
20:55<prahal>it stores and only tell something if a thing got wrong
20:57<prahal>xenolalia, /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop ; /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start . Does the mixer ends up muted ?
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20:58<prahal>ouch weird, that explains that things goes wrong .
20:58<xenolalia>I'm sorry, I misunderstood. After I do /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start, audio IS unmuted.
20:58<prahal>xenolalia, any errors while doing so ?
20:59<xenolalia>I found this bug, if it's of any use:
21:00<prahal>probably will work from now on. As we did an alsactl store by hand
21:00<xenolalia>Great. I'll reboot and see if it's still happening. Thanks very much!
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21:02<usuario>quien esta alli
21:03<xenolalia>prahal, I just rebooted, but audio was muted again on reboot
21:03<usuario>marditoss cabrnes demierda
21:03<usuario>hijo de putaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
21:04<nix_>pff with 486 also not works
21:04<nix_>anoying :S
21:04<prahal>xenolalia, isntall aumix .. should work around the issue per the thread about this issue in debian-fr ML
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21:05<kop>usuario: Hello
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21:05<prahal>this seems like a "bug" in pulseaudio . never encountered it probably because I have aumix long ago
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21:06<xenolalia>prahal, I'll give it a shot. One minute . . .
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21:10<xenolalia>I installed aumix and rebooted, but the problem persists. When my machine was booting, I did see a message that looked like "aumix will not touch mixer (warning)"
21:10<prahal>xenolalia, what I don't know is if it does not require one to have aumix before starting X to ahve ti store the settings then have them restored on next boot
21:10<prahal>"have it"
21:12<xenolalia>sorry, I'm still a fairly new user, but how should I go about doing that?
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21:13<prahal>xenolalia, anyway reading the thread mroe in depth (there are plenty of followups
21:14<prahal>the issue is not settled in stone as in aumix helped but only for those executing it by hand ... so useless in the end
21:14<prahal>but there are good tests in that thread that should lead to resolution in the end
21:15<xenolalia>No problem. Thanks very much. I'm thinking though, is there any way just to run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start at every boot?
21:15<prahal>the problem is after that from the tester in the thread . When X start and the gnome mixer is started and detect pulseaudio it does something stupid
21:16<prahal>that mute the sound
21:16<prahal>weird that I did not encountered the issue ... long time pulseaudio and intel_hda user as in the bug report but no issue to me ... you told it always happened . In squeeze or before ?
21:17<xenolalia>Just in squeeze (but I just installed squeeze last week).
21:17<prahal>do you have a gnome mixer applet or a tray icon to manage sound ?
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21:18<prahal>because I removed the gnoem mixer applet (ony using the tray icon one) ... maybe it is why I do not have the issue
21:19<xenolalia>I did a minimal install, and I do not recall installing the gnome mixer applet. How do I see if I have it installed?
21:19<prahal>ie I use gnome-volume-control-applet
21:19<xenolalia>I believe I do as well.
21:19<prahal>ouch hard to describe ... this is bass with waves in front
21:21<prahal>ps ax|grep mixer_applet
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21:22<prahal>will tell for certain
21:22<xenolalia>"ps ax|grep mixer applet" returns "3837 pts/0 R+ 0:00 grep mixer_applet"
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21:26<xenolalia>One second . . . I'm just going to reboot.
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21:30<tramsei>apt-get constantly freezes on "Unpacking replacement tzdata ...", and I can't kill (or kill -9) or freeze/ctrl+z the dpkg process
21:30<tramsei>thats the strace output
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21:31<xenolalia>tramsei, are you using squeeze, sid, or stable? Do you use aptitude at all?
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21:34<xenolalia>tramsei, have you seen here:
21:35<prahal>xenolalia, could you remove the mixer applet and restart X after having unmuted the sound if not already done ?
21:36<xenolalia>How do I restart X?
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21:38<prahal>xenolalia, logout and login
21:38<prahal>from graphical session
21:39<xenolalia>when I go to remove the applet (which is part of gnome-applets package), package manager tries to remove gnome-core as well
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21:42<xenolalia>Should I just try restarting X?
21:42<dr|z3d>xenolalia: Why not leave the applet alone, then?
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21:43<prahal>xenolalia, I was thinking of removing it from the panel (via right click)
21:43<prahal>so it is not ran
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21:43<xenolalia>When I right click the icon, I do not see an option to remove it from the panel
21:43<prahal>then you could use gnome-volume-control-applet (which is contrary to its name not an applet but it does not matter much)
21:44<prahal>xenolalia, from where do you click on it (it should be from the panel itself)
21:44<dr|z3d>xenolalia: Check what Gnome's loading at session startup.. that might yield clues.
21:46<xenolalia>The only things I see when I right click on the icon are a mute checkbox and "Sound Preferences."
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21:47<xenolalia>It appears that the icon was part of the system notification area, so I killed that, and it has since disappeared.
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21:47<xenolalia>When I logout/login again, what should I be looking for?
21:48<akn>Trying to get skype chat to work. installed skype and have the chat itself working and i hear the other person. the only problem is that they cant hear me. any suggestions?
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21:50<akn>actually... that person hears static
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21:51<prahal>xenolalia, this was the wrong icon (looks like the gnome-volume-control-applet that sits in the notification area)
21:52<prahal>you can check if it is really disabled (gnome-mixer-applet ) by ps ax |grep mixer_applet
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21:52<akn>using alsa
21:53<xenolalia>prahal, this is what I get: 4495 pts/0 R+ 0:00 grep mixer_applet akn, I don't use skype so I'm afraid I have no practical experience to offer
21:53<prahal>akn, using pulseaudio ? if using skype (I heard there will be a new version with pulseaudio support but don't think it was realesed yet) you ahve to kill pulseaudio daemon
21:54<prahal>xenolalia, then you ll have to find the mixer applet and remove it (not in the tray , on the other areas of the panel)
21:55<xenolalia>I do not see any icon vaguely resembling the mixer applet anywhere else on the desktop.
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21:57<akn>im actually using alsa mixer
22:00<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
22:00<prahal>xenolalia, pkill -f mixer_applet ... this should make one disappear
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22:03<xenolalia>Nothing disappeared. Here's an image of my desktop ps ax | grep mixer_applet now returns: 4654 pts/1 R+ 0:00 grep mixer_applet
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22:06<prahal>xenolalia, ouch my bad ... "grep mixer_applet" is the command you ran that is matched , I thought it was more /usr/lib/gnome-applets/mixer_applet2 --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet_Factory --oaf-ior-fd=24
22:07<xenolalia>I'm sorry. I don't quite understand. What should I have run?
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22:09<nix_>guess how worked ?:)
22:11<xenolalia>I just ran "sudo killall gnome-volume-control-applet" and that seemed to kill a process, though I didn't see any graphical change
22:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:14<xenolalia>I've got to go now, but I'll be back in about an hour. Feel free to type any advice for me (I will review everything that was said later). Thanks very much!
22:15<prahal>xenolalia, I meant the process was not running ... I am short on clues (as it contradicts the tests of others, so something else was at fault)
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22:17<sdsdsd>Hello guys, until 10 minutes ago my skype was working well, but now, after full-upgrading (getting new pulseaudio) (Squeeze AMD64), my Mic stopped working with Skype (2.1 AMD64)
22:18<sdsdsd>it works on Audacity, but not in Skype anymore
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22:19<sdsdsd>i think it must be need a pulseaudio new config, but i tried all of it, and nothing found
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22:24<sdsdsd>HDA ATI SB: ALC268 Analog (hw:0,0)
22:24<sdsdsd>its the device that is recording on Audacity
22:24<sdsdsd>What may i put as Default source on Pulseaudio to get it working?
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22:26<Gun_Smoke>dump pulse. best bet
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22:49<xenolalia>I am back. Not an urgent problem, but if anyone has any suggestions, every time I reboot, my audio is automatically muted.
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22:53<ymorin>same here
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23:02<prahal>ymorin, audio muted ?
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23:03<diego>hi, I need to know the version of a package installed by aptitude
23:04<diego>what was the command :D ?
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23:05<ymorin>prahal, mono volume is muted, and I need to use $ alsamixer
23:05<ymorin>dpkg -l packagename
23:05<dpkg>No packages found matching packagename
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23:43<Silicium01>Hi everyone. I have a Debian installed on one sata hard drive and using grub. Now i bought second sata had dive, and am installing different OS on it for testing. Can i connect both hard drives to the motherboard and choose boot order in bios? None of the hard drives havea master slave pin on it, is that ok?
23:46<sney>SATA did away with the master/slave thing since you can only plug in 1 drive per cable
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23:47<sney>and yes, you can change the boot order with them. You can also set up grub to boot whatever other OS you install.
23:47<peterS>yeah this is a bios question, more than a debian question
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23:47<peterS>typically you can choose from a BIOS screen which disk's boot sector to read
23:48<peterS>now that doesn't mean both OSes will think their disk is the first one available - one is /dev/sda and one is /dev/sdb (in Linux), and it'll probably be the same order for both OSes
23:48<peterS>so your second OS may need to know it is on the second disk, not the first disk
23:49<peterS>how to do that is OS-dependent and in any case this is #debian and presumably your second OS isn't debian so that's off-topic (:
23:49<prahal>ymorin, if you kill gnome-volume-control-applet and restart it from the command line does it mutes ?
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23:58<RENATO>cade todomundoooooooooo
23:58<abrotman>english here
23:59<ymorin>prahal, no it doesn't mute it..
23:59<RENATO>i am brazil
23:59<RENATO>and you
23:59<abrotman>this is not a social channel, do you have a Debian question or not?
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