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00:22<jrabbit>is down? :\
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00:31<Gun_Smoke>--- ping statistics ---
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00:32<faheem>there are mirrors
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02:28<akballow>hi :)
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02:35<akballow>whats up
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03:53<perk>what is the actual consequence of hard and soft ulimits? if i have ulimit -Sc 100000 and ulimit -Hc unlimited, what will actually happen?
03:54<munga_>hello. for my project I need to mine the debian bts. Do you know of any project that stores the entire debian bug history in a db ? iirc the uddb does not keep historic information ...
03:54<azeem>munga_: the early days are lost anyway
03:55<munga_>say everything from 2005 would be good
03:55<azeem>the bts used to throw away archived bugs after a couple of weeks
03:55<azeem>munga_: you should probably talk to about it
03:55<munga_>yeah, I can't use the bts directly, but all archived bus are available in raw form
03:56<munga_>I was wondering if somebody already did the hard of of injecting the data in a db
03:56<azeem>eh, there's a db on
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03:56<munga_>yes, but only with the live data, not the historic data
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03:57<azeem>munga_: why do you think that?
03:57<munga_>ahhhh, you say to reuse the db structure without the limit
03:57<azeem>and what limit?
03:57<munga_>an archived bug is accessible from the web only for a period of time
03:57<azeem>if you think the whole data is not on (the machine), then where should it be?
03:57<munga_>then it is archived a
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03:58<munga_>and stored in
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03:58<munga_>I've ready this page :)
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03:59<bluedeep>hi all
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04:00<bluedeep>Can anyone help me with lilo and kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64?
04:00<bluedeep>the new kernel isn't added to lilo.conf
04:00<bluedeep>and I don't understand why
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04:03<azeem>bluedeep: you probably have to do this yourself these days
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04:04<bluedeep>but there is a why?
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04:05<bluedeep>azeem just now it was auto the update
04:06<azeem>just now?
04:08<bluedeep>azeemif guess, lilo.conf it was updated under dpkg install process... just now
04:08<azeem>so it works?
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04:09<bluedeep>azeem no
04:09<bluedeep>and I would like know why
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04:28<joel>hi i have some problems installing debian lenny, i have a sata dvd rw and it says it doesn't detect the cdrom drive
04:30<jm_>joel: try to debug stuff on tty2
04:30<jm_>are you familiar with command line?
04:31<jm_>well then alt-f2 gets you on tty2 where you can inspect things, check kernel messages etc.
04:31<jm_>alt-f1 to get back to installer
04:31<jm_>alt-f3 and alt-f4 will show some info from d-i
04:31<jm_>so start by checking what kernel says about your block devices
04:32<joel>in fact tty doesn't say anything
04:32<joel>only "Please press Enter to activate this console".
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04:32<jm_>don't be affraid, press enter
04:32<joel>it gives me a root prompt.
04:32<jm_>no-one said it will say anything - please read what I wrote: on tty2 where you can inspect things
04:33<jm_>so you have a shell now, start with reading dmesg output
04:33<joel>er.. but i don't see any messages in there.
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04:34<jm_>ok so you're not really familiar with command line
04:34<jm_>type dmesg<enter>
04:34<joel>er,, i already did dmesg.
04:34<joel>and looking for messages.
04:34<jm_>so read the output
04:35<jm_>find where it mentions your sata controller and continue reading from there on
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04:36<jm_>it should show port status for each sata port
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04:37<jm_>you can also check what it sees in /sys/block
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04:50<joel>jm_: it does not say anything about cdrom sata
04:50<jm_>joel: does it mention your disk?
04:51<jm_>joel: is that also a sata device?
04:52<joel>jm_: yes
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04:52<jm_>joel: to both questions?
04:52<Xeross>Hey, I need to run 2 instances of powerdns on seperate ports, is it possible to somehow extract the debian package to a different directory ?
04:53<joel>jm_: my hard disk and the dvd are alsa
04:53<jm_>joel: ok, what do you see in /sys/block? ls /sys/block
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04:54<joel>jm_: the only thing that i see that mentions about sata is: scsi0: sata_nv scsi1: sata_nv ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 ata1.00: ATA-7: ST3160815AS
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04:54<joel>ram0, ram1, ... ram15, and sda
04:55<jm_>joel: it should mention port status for each port, check all ataX entries where X is number from 1 ...
04:55<joel>look, i guess that my cdrom drive is ata2, and there is a line that says: ata2.00: NODEV after polling detection
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05:00<joel>do you think that if i use a netinstall i won't have that problem?
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05:01<jm_>no, netinst also needs to install some bits from the dvd drive
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05:02<joel>so am i fucked up?
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05:03<jm_>hmm I would try lenny installer with newer kernel
05:03<joel>os try to install from a USB drive maybe?
05:03<jm_>or USB if you can yes
05:03<bcochofel>Hi, how can I scan if the usb devices I have are storage or not?
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05:04<jm_>bcochofel: lsusb -v
05:04<bcochofel>jm_, thx, gonna check that
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05:07<bcochofel>jm_, is there any info on the list that I can check?
05:08<bcochofel>jm_, I need to know if the device is storage capable and what's the /dev/
05:08<jm_>bcochofel: what list?
05:08<bcochofel>jm_, from lsusb -v
05:09<jm_>bcochofel: look for bInterfaceClass
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05:14<bcochofel>jm_, ok, thx, this is going to be tricky
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05:45<eldorado>hi! yesterday i got some problem with my debian box: i couldnt login, after rebootin it i checked some log to try understand a bit more and found some strange error in kernel log, "kernel: [1676720.619894] sh[13497] general protection ip:808f6e5 sp:bfb6d180 error:0 in bash[8048000+a6000]"
05:46<jm_>ahh I'm a moron, that's a crash, not an oops
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05:47<eldorado>what is an !oops btw?
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05:48<jm_>nevermind, I checked if dpkg has something nice to say about it
05:48<jm_>I wanted to check even
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05:51<eldorado>yes thanks for this great pro answer
05:52<jm_>always glad to help
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05:52<eldorado>nice attitude really
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05:53<Mr_Bond>Hi, I'm creating a configpackage for ldap-configuration. I'm successfully making the package, but my package includes libnss-ldap which gives me a lot of debconf dialog boxes. I see on this page: , they mention libnss-ldap/override, can somebody point me in the right direction to override these debconf values in my package?
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06:29<munga_>a while ago I've read something on planet about a parser/injector to read and store the contents of Packages.gz ... does anybody have a pointer ?
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06:29<jm_>munga_: it's a simple text file, what exactly do you need?
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06:30<munga_>yes yes ... it's about 50 lines of python with apt_python just looking for the blog post ...
06:31<supaman>hey, when I try to open some pdf files with iceweasel I only get the option to save the file, not open it with document viewer like in most pdf files ... why could that be? is there some misconfiguration on my behalf or in the server I am retreaving the pdf files from?
06:31<munga_>jm_, and there is also the injector of the udd ...
06:31<jm_>supaman: what mime-type does server return?
06:32<supaman>jm_: hmm ... how can I check that again?
06:32<jm_>supaman: wget is the easiest I suppose
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06:32<supaman>jm_: well, its a closed forum that needs login ... cant I see it through iceweasel?
06:33<jm_>supaman: iceweasel won't show it as nice, check what it says under "which is" line
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06:34<supaman>jm_: in the source of the web page then?
06:34<jm_>supaman: no, when you click on the link, in the dialog you get
06:34<jm_>what to do with file dialog
06:35<supaman>jm_: ahh, that one ... it says "which is a: PDF document"
06:35<jm_>supaman: sounds good to me then
06:35<supaman>jm_: jup
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06:36<jm_>supaman: check preferences -> applications tab
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06:36<jm_>find PDF or Portable Document in there
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06:37<supaman>jm_: when I try to download something from (a pdf file) then iceweasel offeres me to open it with Document Viewer (and the mime type is PDF document) but not from this server I am trying to open from
06:38<supaman>jm_: the mimetype is connected to Document Viewer in the applications tab
06:38<jm_>supaman: in that case it would help to know exact mimetype returned
06:38<supaman>jm_: yeh .. how to do that with a closed forum?
06:39<supaman>can wget use login?
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06:39<jm_>supaman: if it's regular httpauth then yes, but it probably isn't - how about httpfox?
06:40<supaman>or can I tell it to use the cookie that iceweasel has allready fetched?
06:40<jm_>for more advanced stuff (forms) it's doable, but not as trivial
06:40<rodo>Hi, I made a mistake, wanted to upload to mentors, but uploaded the package to ftp-master, I'm no a DD, how I can fix it ? Do I have to contact someone ?
06:40<supaman>jm_: well, it uses https, it is
06:41<supaman>have to check out httpfox .. dont know what that is
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06:41<supaman>is it a firefox addon?
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06:45<supaman>jm_: ok, installed, just tried it on the pdf file in question and it didnt give any information in the Headers section
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06:45<jm_>supaman: wait till my browser recovers after clicking on contents tab for some big ass pdf download
06:46<supaman>ahh, its there
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06:47<jm_>check in the upper part of the window, it should show mime type: text/html etc.
06:48<supaman>there I see Type: application/octet-stream
06:49<supaman>thats not good
06:49<jm_>for the pdf document? that is wrong and that's why it would ask you what to do with it
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06:49<supaman>maby it recognises the extension but not the mime type
06:50<jm_>possibly yes, you can add your own rules in applications tab
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06:51<jm_>gah my iceweasel still hasn't recovered
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06:53<supaman>jm_: this completely bleeped up my iceweasel also, it crashed because of this httpfox
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06:54<stadac>fast so stark wie msn XD
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06:54<reiszy>nur ohne ava...
06:55<stadac>wir sind nicht alleine
06:55<supaman>nope, your not alone
06:55<dpkg>i guess .de is Germany
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06:58<supaman>whut ... do I really have to install an addon to edit my mime-types?
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07:05<perk>i have put * soft core unlimited and * hard core unlimited in /etc/security/limits.conf. only hard limits are honored. soft core limit is still 100000 (default i suppose)
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07:06<perk>how do i fix this so that soft core unlimited is honored?
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07:08<jm_>supaman: it recovered fine for me
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07:09<supaman>jm_: wow, took a long time though
07:09<perk>it works setting the hard core limit to whatever (0,unlimited,100,whatever)
07:10<jm_>supaman: ahh it was sometime earlier, but I was away for a little while - but yes, highly impractical
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07:48<peej>I'm trying to understand locales. What's the difference between LANG=C and LANG="en_US.UTF-8" for example?
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07:48<peej>how can I see the difference?
07:49<jm_>peej: charmap for one
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07:51<jm_>monetary symbol is defined for en_US, default time representation and so on
07:51<jm_>currency symbol even
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07:55<peej>C has no listing? I guess that standard ascii.
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07:56<danido3>ciao a tutti
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07:59<jm_>peej: you can find all the difference by looking in locale definition files
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08:00<peej>I was hoping for a point and drool gui so I could compare U00334 withU00328 for example for a particular mapping.
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08:01*peej stfw
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08:05<peej> gives a text diff sort of thing.
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08:06<jm_>nice find
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08:09<peej>whoops, I mean libunicode-map-perl - though the unicode 8 version is also there.
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08:13<peej>so, armed with this I could build the required display tool. Only catch is, I'd need to enable support for them to display them.
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08:24<peej>I see we have /usr/share/locale, /usr/share/X11/locale, /usr/share/cups/locale, and /usr/share/i18n/locales. As well as /usr/share/doc/locales :)
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08:26<jm_>nothing wrong about that
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08:34*peej learns that locale is based on location and language, eg fr_CA, and there is a character set you bind it to, eg ISO-8859-1. So, the charset is what the charmap defines.
08:34*peej discovers gucharmap
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09:36<perk>how do i browse for printers in a network? what package do i need? i have installed cups, but it can't see any printers. everybody else has ubuntu machines where it works out-of-thebo-x
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09:50<oliva>hi there ... is it possible to leave linux in a state that if the power is lost no problem with filesystem comes when the system comes up again?
09:50<OdyX>oliva: shutdown ?
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09:51<oliva>I don't want to shutdown the machine
09:51<OdyX>if it is running, it will alter the files constantly
09:51<OdyX>possibility is to mount the FS with "sync" option
09:52<oliva>that will be good
09:53<oliva>any other advice?
09:53<OdyX>do a "sync" when you expect the power outage
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10:15<perk>why do i get a forbidden error message when i try to add a printer in cups?
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10:22<Mattlock>is anyone else experiencing problems with
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10:46<heberto>hi there
10:46<heberto>how are you?
10:46<junruh>Are you a Neger
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10:46<junruh>Oh, sorry
10:47<junruh>I'm fine
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10:55<ese>Hi, pals. I have a problem with finding brand name of an audio device with this packardbell. I have the Everest report of the hardware list but couldn't identify it myself. anyone who could point me plz.
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10:59<junruh>Is somebody out there?
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11:04<kop>ese: What is "Everest" and why do you want the brand name?
11:05<ybana>Hi ..what is the best way to create LiveCD ?
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11:09<ese>kop: thankyou kop. Everest is a hardware detector and generates a report. I wanted the driver for the audio device.
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11:14<ybana>peej : thanks .. I want do more++ custom
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11:15<marcowitsch>How do I find out which modesetting method my system uses?
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11:17<peej>marcowitsch, what's a modesetting method?
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11:19<peej>is it as in setting the x display mode?
11:19<marcowitsch>KMS - UMS
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11:22<ese>could anyone plz help me in identifying the name of this "Intel 82801DB ICH4 - AC'97 Audio Controller [B-0]" audio device.
11:22<cahoot>ese: get hold of its pciid - lspci -nn
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11:23<cahoot>ese: what do you really want to know?
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11:25<ese>cahoot: i just want the device name such as like whether it is realtech, or any. I couldn't find its name on google by this name.
11:25<sney>Looks like it's Intel
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11:26<cahoot>ese: the pciid would probably be the safest method
11:26<sney>as in, snd-intel8x0
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11:26<ese>cahoot: i want the device name to look its windows driver.
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11:27<ese>This machine is nasty. It couldn't boot the major boot Linux devices. it just run partedmagic.
11:27<ese>cahoot: I couldn't boot to major linux os. Just partedmagic.
11:27<sney>yep, confirmed, the Intel 82801xx uses the snd-intel8x0 kernel module
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11:32<cahoot>ese: I don't really understand your problem - you think the audiodevice makes the system unbootable i linux?
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11:34<ese>cahoot: no i don't think the audio prevents that, but the graphical part at final stage of booting dies with no to show at the screen.
11:35<ese>what i really want is what the Audio device is so that i could search its windows driver.
11:35<ese>sney: how do i search for this Intel 82801xxx audio driver...
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11:39<peej>ybana, bootcd will livecd your current system.
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11:40<cahoot>seems he despaired
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11:40<cahoot>fwiw lh is very configurable
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11:42<ese>cahoot: thankyou i will into the links.
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11:45<pepet>hay alguien?
11:45<achury>Abiword 2.7.10 (experimental) has relesed a great feature, several people can edit the same document over the net and see the changes other people do on real time. Soon will be released as new stable version abiword 2.80. Debian stable has a very old abiword version and debian unstable has 2.6.x (stable line some years ago). Would be great if debian users have acces to the new features.
11:45<pepet>is someone here?
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11:46<achury>Windows users can download 2.7.10 binaries at
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11:46<pepet>ok achury
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11:46<achury>hola pepet
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11:46<pepet>achury sabes como puedo ejecutar un comando en un script
11:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 411] by debhelper
11:47<pepet>y que se ejecute en un terminal aparte
11:47<achury>que script
11:47<pepet>por ejemplo
11:47<achury>en teoria simplemente escribes el nombre del script en la consola
11:47<pepet>pero en un script los comandos se ejecutan de forma secuencial
11:47<pepet>y yo quiero que un comando se quede en ejecucion
11:48<achury>no, creo que no se puede en un terminal aparte
11:48<pepet>y siga ejecutando los demas
11:48<pepet>de forma secuencial
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11:48<achury>ahora estoy en una maquina windows :-) que pasa cuando en la consola ejecutas xterm?
11:48<pepet>he probado
11:48<pepet>con xterm -e 'comando'
11:48<pepet>pero me da un error
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11:49<achury>puedes pedir ayuda en castellano en el canal #debian-es
11:49<achury>en este canal todos hablan inglés
11:50<achury>usas //joint #debian-es
11:50<achury>pero con un solo / :-)
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11:50<pepet>ok gracias
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11:53<julian>Someone can tell me different from other command ifconfig down? (This command does not want to close a virtual ip)
11:53<achury>There is a new service at: based on abiword, for collaborative document edition. No needed to have last abiword installed.
11:53<OdyX>julian: man ip
11:54<alephnull>So, bitlbee has a 'Depends: libc6 (< 2.10) but 2.10.1-1 is installed' problem on sid (amd64). Is that a bug ?
11:54<ichdasich>julian: how did you 'create' that 'virtual ip'
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11:55<julian>ifconfig down eth1:2
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11:55<julian>with that command I'm trying to close the virtual interface. (ifconfig down eth1: 2)
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11:55<ichdasich>julian: that usually doesn't create a virtual interface.
11:55<julian>but I do not work.
11:56<ichdasich>julian: anyway. could you please nopaste me the output of 'ifconfig -a' ?
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11:56<achury>See an example :-)
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11:57<ichdasich>julian: and 'ifconfig eth1:2 down' produces what kind of output?
11:58<sney>achury: submit a wishlist bug to have the new abiword included. see
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11:59<julian>nothing comes out.
11:59<julian>ifconfig eth1:2 down....nothing comes out.
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12:00<ichdasich>julian: version of debian/nic used?
12:00<julian>wait ... did something different ... Hill and the virtual interface ... But the strange thing is that not a second ago that ended with one command. (It may be the problem?)
12:01<ichdasich>julian: rephrase that last sentence please, i could not grasp the semantics of that one.
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12:02<julian>apology, is that not speak English.
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12:02<julian>Question: What what could be the problem ... Why use this command before and did not work.
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12:03<koollman>julian: 'ifconfig eth1:2 down' isn't supposed to output anything, unless there are errors
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12:03<ichdasich>julian: you might have had a whitespace in you command.
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12:04<ichdasich>koollman: yep. but his initial question was, why eth1:2 didn't disappear after issueing ifconfig eth1:2 down.
12:04<julian>Actually I do not. that use the same command that had saved console in history.
12:04<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:05<julian>ichdasich, thanks.
12:05<ichdasich>julian: no problem. ;-)
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12:08<charles>FALA CAELUM
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12:51<miguel>can i override the colors of all <input> boxes in iceweasel?
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13:08<sun>hi i installed ntp but the computer is still showing the time 1 hour fast, its not taking savings time into account, how can i fix this?
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13:12<cahoot>sun /msg dpkg set the time
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13:13<cahoot>sun btw not dualbooting by chance?
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13:19<dpkg>timezone is, like, the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch, Sarge). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone.
13:19<valdyn>sun: ^^
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13:30<martin__>hey guys
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13:30<lancelot_of>hi all
13:30<martin__>does anyone have vmware player running on their debian
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13:34<lancelot_of>does anyone have experience with wodim? i'v the following problem: and can't blanck CDs, help please
13:35<valdyn>lancelot_of: use cdrdao to blank
13:36<valdyn>lancelot_of: that fixed it for someone else..
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13:39<lancelot_of>valdyn, i'm trying but also cdrdao doen't blank with the following:
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13:40<patrikf>dpkg, tell lancelot_of about ubuntu
13:40<sun>cahoot valdyn that dpkg-reconfigure tzdata didnt work.. the machine does dualboot but i never boot into windows and i dont mind if the time is screwed up on windows.
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13:41<cahoot>sun: utc is enabled?
13:41<sun>cahoot how do i check?
13:41<valdyn>lancelot_of: thats a ubuntu problem, /j #ubuntu
13:41<lancelot_of>patrikf, i'm on debian not on ubuntu
13:41<patrikf>lancelot_of: your paste says "Using libscg version 'ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1'".
13:41<cahoot>sun: look into /etc/default/rcS
13:41<patrikf>dont lie.
13:41<lancelot_of>on debian testing distro
13:42<sun>cahoot it says no
13:42<lancelot_of>patrikf, dunno why
13:42<themill>sun: ntp won't change the time by one hour unless you ask it nicely
13:42<cahoot>sun: change to yes
13:43<lancelot_of>valdyn, patrikf i can't recognize installation of libscg package
13:43<sun>cahoot ok
13:44<valdyn>lancelot_of: thats not a package
13:44<sun>themill how do you do that
13:44<lancelot_of>valdyn, how does libscg matter with my system?
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13:44<sun>cahoot i suppose i have to reboot now?
13:44<patrikf>lancelot_of: indeed, "strings $(which cdrdao) | grep ubuntu" has something on my system too. weird. sorry.
13:44<lancelot_of>if it's not a package..i0ve never installed any ubuntu package on my syste,
13:45<themill>sun: look at the -g option to ntpd
13:45<valdyn>lancelot_of: ok, its not ubuntu
13:45<valdyn>lancelot_of: i get your error when no disk is inserted
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13:45<lancelot_of>patrikf, no prob :)
13:46<lancelot_of>valdyn, the disc is inserted
13:46<patrikf>and you don't have another cd writer, right?
13:46<lancelot_of>patrikf, i don't, just one
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13:46<patrikf>lancelot_of: tried blanking the cd-rw in another drive / on another system?
13:47<valdyn>lancelot_of: try "cdrdao read" instead
13:47<lancelot_of>patrikf, i can't, i've just my system at the moment
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13:47<lancelot_of>valdyn, do you mean "cdrdao read-cd"?
13:47<sun>themill openntpd doesnt have it, which is what ive got installed
13:47<valdyn>lancelot_of: yea
13:48<themill>sun: hmm... never used it at all. I guess it has a similar option though, so you have some reading to do ;)
13:48<Jerryclunsford>I am new to Debian. I have worked with Windows for years. What I can't find is a defragmenter for linux. Is it neccessary to defrag Debian and if so where can I find one?
13:49<valdyn>Jerryclunsford: you dont need to defrag
13:49<patrikf>sun: yes it has. just run "ntpd -q -g -x" as root.
13:49<patrikf>sun: or set the time approximately manually, and let ntpd correct the small amount you're off.
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13:50<Jerryclunsford>valdyn Thanks that what I thought since there weren't a bunch of them out there.
13:50<valdyn>i think defrag is pretty useless on windows ntfs too by now
13:50<valdyn>but people even bought the "ram double" so what does usefulness matter
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13:50<lancelot_of>valdyn, why this line is uncorrect: cdrdao read-cd --device /dev/sr0 ?
13:50<valdyn>but people even bought the "ram doubler" so what does usefulness matter
13:50<cahoot>doesn't ext4 introduce defrag?
13:50<valdyn>lancelot_of: you dont need to specific the device normally if you have only one
13:51<valdyn>cahoot: an online defragger is not yet ready afaik
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13:51<valdyn>cahoot: but you can patch your kernel manually
13:51<locklace>valdyn: "you dont need to defrag" is a bit cavalier
13:51<lancelot_of>valdyn, with cdrdao read-cd i get:
13:51<valdyn>locklace: the way hes asking he cant handle in depth info, but he can google for that too
13:52<locklace>Jerryclunsford: answer is it depends on the filesystem; unlike windows there are many different filesystem options in linux. the most common today is ext3, for which see e.g.
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13:52<valdyn>and even if theres defraggers, theres only certain workloads where defragging makes the least bit of sense
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13:54<valdyn>!ram doubler
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13:55<Jerryclunsford>I was just checking. If it is not of extreme importance I'll wait until I know more then look into it. I just didnt want to have a problem with the computer slowing down and not have the tools I needed.
13:56<Jerryclunsford>You know how windows is, throws stuff everywhere. I didn't know if Debian had that problem or not.
13:57<valdyn>Jerryclunsford: i just know that derfragging is overrated everwhere
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13:57<valdyn>Jerryclunsford: but no you dont have to worry about debian slowing down over time
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13:58<cahoot>with the right kernel it will be slow from start ;)
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14:02<Jerryclunsford>I'm running the Latest Lenny AMD64 No complaints on speed. Like the system and the price can't beat free. Just have to learn a lot.
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14:05<Jerryclunsford>Now I have to learn what I need to put in the config files and where to put it to change what I want. I'll get there eventually. Just have to learn it as I need it so I won't forget it before I need it. Thanks again.
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14:37<lancelot_of>valdyn, cdrdao read-cd --device /dev/sr0 prova returns the following:
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14:38<valdyn>lancelot_of: so the disk is at least readable
14:38<lancelot_of>valdyn, yes
14:38<valdyn>lancelot_of: i dont know the error if its not a permission issue
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14:38<valdyn>lancelot_of: might wanna try blanking as root just to see
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14:39<lancelot_of>valdyn, done but unsuccessful
14:39<lancelot_of>here's the output:
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14:41<valdyn>lancelot_of: no idea.
14:41<lancelot_of>valdyn, thanks anyway
14:42<sladi>Hi, how can I change the icon set of QT4 applications? I tried to change the link /usr/share/icons/default.kde4 so it points to a custom icon set instead of Oxygen but after logging in again nothing changed.
14:43<sladi>My icon set is in /opt/icons/, I'll try to copy it to usr/shar/icons/.
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15:11<do0ob>there is something locking the sound card, i hear no sound, how can i find out which app is doing it?
15:11<do0ob>i'm not satisfied with just restarting all the apps until i get sound back as usual
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15:13<Titan8990>do0ob, try: lsof /dev/snd/*
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15:13<voslaj>udv all
15:13<do0ob>Titan8990: nothing, but lsof /dev/sd* was interesting
15:14<do0ob>i can see all the work i have open
15:14<do0ob>oh /dev/snd/*
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15:15<do0ob>kmix, okular and knotify4
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15:26<EmleyMoor>I am trying to set up my new laptop with LVM, but it can't make filesystems when I try - how do I back right out and start again?
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15:27<monitor>oi debian vc é de onde???
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15:28<locklace>define "it can't make filesystems"
15:29<EmleyMoor>The ext3 filesystem creation in partition #1 of LVM VG..., LV ... failed.
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15:30<locklace>that's what mkfs tells you?
15:30<EmleyMoor>That's what the installer tells me
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15:31<locklace>don't use the installer to set up lvm
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15:32<EmleyMoor>OK, how, as part of a new installation, do I proceed?
15:33<locklace>create your boot and root primary partitions and finish the base install, then set up lvm
15:33<Titan8990>why do i keep hearing people recommend that
15:34<Titan8990>it sounds awful
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15:34<Titan8990>what if they want /usr on an lvm... are they expected to create a new partition, copy the files and THEN use it for mounting?
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15:34<Titan8990>at that point, why not save yourself a hell of a lot of trouble and do a debootstrap install?
15:34<locklace>no idea why you think that. trying to wrangle d-i to get an lvm config right is what's awful
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15:35<Titan8990>or what I would do, create all LVMs ahead of time and set their mount points in the installer accordingly
15:35<Titan8990>locklace, i agree, the interface is terrible
15:35<locklace>also fine, if that works for you
15:36<Titan8990>but i still don't see anything good from your suggestion... again... i would recommend a debootsrap install over that
15:36<Titan8990>because atleast that does not require moving all your files off something like /usr, which you need a livecd for anyways
15:36<Titan8990>not to mention if we wanted / (yuck) on an lvm
15:37<locklace>livecd or single-user mode; it's a triviality, less than a two-minute job. and that's only if you want to relocate /usr
15:37<locklace>and for the love of god, don't put / on lvm
15:38<locklace> you know, the way d-i forces you to do
15:38<Titan8990>locklace, it only forces you if you select guided, the installer allows for custom lvm setups
15:38<Titan8990>and no, its not really trivial
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15:38<Titan8990>because the files need to actually be moved, not copied
15:39<Titan8990>if you have a file tree on /usr and you want to mount a new partition to /usr you can't just copy the files to the new partition and then mount it on / with the existing files still there
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15:40<locklace>sure you can
15:40<locklace>although mv /usr /usr.old is advisable, obviously
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15:41<Titan8990>and what will happen when there are duplicate files on /usr? some on the / partition and copy of those on the seperate /usr partition?
15:41<SARC>I have a memory management question with Lenny. When I run a program that allocates and deallocates memory... the OS seems to correctly report when using large chunks of data. However, when I allocate small chunks of data, the OS acts like it is still allocated, even though it has been freed.
15:41<Titan8990>I am asking because I really don't know but I imagine its not going to handle it well
15:41<locklace>what are you talking about?
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15:42<locklace>SARC: freeing memory in a program is not the same as releasing it back to the os
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15:42<SARC>locklace: it seems to work with larger chunks of data
15:43<locklace>SARC: all down to the malloc implementation and the usage pattern
15:43<SARC>same code does not work with smaller chunks
15:43<SARC>so i wondered if it was an OS thing
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15:44<Titan8990>locklace, you have files in the directory /usr which is on the rootfs partition. You want a logical volume to be the /usr partition (lets call it vg-usr). If you copy the files from the /usr directory to vg-usr you can just mount vg-usr to the rootfs while keeping the existing filesytem for /usr on the rootfs
15:45<locklace>SARC: it's a malloc implementation thing
15:45<adb>SARC, isn't it all kernel things ?
15:45<Titan8990>err saying you can't just mount vg-usr to the rootfs
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15:45<locklace>SARC: current linux malloc will use mmap instead of sbrk if the alloc is > 128k
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15:46<locklace>Titan8990: sounds like you don't get how mount(2) works in unix
15:46<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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15:46<SARC>locklace, is there a way to configure that? I am only dealing with storing network packets, so a max data size of 1518 bytes
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15:47<SARC>got it
15:47<locklace>SARC: yes, you can dork around with malloc through env vars and library calls. man malloc
15:47<SARC>but i wonder if it will do me any good
15:48<Titan8990>locklace, i am not a developer, just an administrator so I suppose not
15:48<Titan8990>locklace, I am interested however, what would happen in that scenario?
15:48<locklace>Titan8990: a mount hides transparently whatever happens to be underneath the mount location
15:49<Titan8990>locklace, is it still possible to remove those files?
15:49<locklace>Titan8990: so there's no problem at all with copying the contents of /usr to some other partition and then mounting that as /usr, except that that's a little silly since you don't want the old contents continuing to take up space
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15:50<Titan8990>locklace, right, my thoughts were that it would cause more issues than just that but I see
15:50<Titan8990>locklace, so what would the preferred method be?
15:50<locklace>Titan8990: so you simply start with "mv /usr /usr.old ; mkdir /usr", copy the contents of /usr.old to the new partition, mount it as /usr and verify everything works, then rm -rf /usr.old when you're satisfied
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15:51<Titan8990>locklace, I see how it works now
15:52<Titan8990>but last thing... still don't see how its more effective then setting mount points accordingly (while selecting not to format)
15:52<Titan8990>err creating the LVMs then setting the mount points in the installer
15:52<locklace>like i said, no problem with doing that if it works for you. more than one way to do it
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15:54<Titan8990>locklace, when I look at man mount it show mount(8) which is for the command `mount`, but google shows mount(2) to be a C lib. do you know what the number in () is called or where I can read up on it?
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15:55<locklace>it's the manual section. man man
15:55<locklace>2 is system calls, 8 is sysadmin commands
15:55<Titan8990>ah, perfect, thnaks
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15:55<locklace>you're probably missing the syscall pages since you have to install some dumb package to get them
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15:55<Titan8990>yeah, gnu docs were moved to non-free
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15:56<Titan8990>there is a bot command that gives info on it but i never remember when the topic comes up
15:57<locklace>the contents of manpages-dev should be considered required
15:57<hyperactivething>i'm running gnome using two monitors. When I press a media key, the volume box appears on only one monitor (as it should), but on the other monitor a ``hole'' appears on whatever application is taking that space, and I can see the wallpaper. What package is responsible for this? (I want to check/submit the bug)
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15:58<themill>locklace: much much less required than gcc, and that isn't required on most machines
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15:58<locklace>i disagree
15:58<locklace>about the first bit
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15:58<Titan8990>gcc is one of the first things i install
15:59<Titan8990>unless i am doing gentoo, then it comes in my stage 3 tarball :)
15:59<locklace>in unix, half the time you can't figure out what some command does without the syscall and/or library manpages, since half the commands are just glorified syscall wrappers
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16:03<locklace>!confuse themill
16:03<dpkg>Yes, where is my pants today, themill? Wellies of the Republic of Liechtenstein with extra anchovies.
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16:06*EmleyMoor has gone for traditional partitioning in the end
16:07<EmleyMoor>Can't get the wireless to work on this thing yet either - so that will be my first job once it's up
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16:08<EmleyMoor>Dell Inspiron 17, btw
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16:38<Bucciarati>hi, where do i find the iceweasel and/or xulrunner maintainers? last sid upgrade slows the thing to a crawl
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16:38<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
16:38<Titan8990>you should use the BTS instead of contacting the maintainers directly
16:39<Bucciarati>Titan8990: right, but first I need to figure out whether it's a problem in iceweasel or xulrunner
16:39<kmap>Titan8990: Well, sometimes, contacting the maintainers could help in figuring out if it is a bug or not in the first place...
16:39<Bucciarati>kmap: exactly
16:39<kmap>although the maintainers are usually nice enough to reassign, if needed.
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17:46<duzz>can some1 help me to solve this problem: i want to filter the area between the <p> and the </p> out of an html file with regex, sed, awk, perl whatever. i read but didnt get the glue..
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17:53<duzz>thanks! chkran ? ;)
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17:55<chahibi>duzz: bitte? :p
17:56<duzz>egal :) was heißt lmsfy ? ;)
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17:57<Lethalman>duzz, you now you shouldn't, right?
17:57<EmleyMoor>Damn, partitions too small
17:57<duzz>Lethalman: ?
17:57<chahibi>duzz: a typo, ignore it
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17:58<Lethalman>duzz, you shouldn't parse html/xml with regexp
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17:59<Bucciarati>as it turned out, it's a problem with xserver-xorg-video-intel, not iceweasel nor xulrunner
17:59<duzz>Lethalman: ah okay. understand. why not ? because of the many special characters ?
17:59<Lethalman>duzz, because it's not a regular language
17:59<chahibi>duzz: Try Python's lxml for example
18:00<Lethalman>yes i'd use lxml too
18:00<Lethalman>it's good for broken html especially
18:00<duzz>ok, but dont know perl also..
18:00<Lethalman>duzz, say you have <p>something<p>what</p>ok</p>
18:00<Lethalman>what do you get with regexp?
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18:02<chahibi>clever :)
18:02<Chetic>how do I load the driver for this usb-interface? all I have is a .o file
18:04<chahibi>Chetic: insmod?
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18:07<zem>where should i install nvidia drivers from for 2.6.31-2-686? sid? squeeze?
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18:08<Chetic>chahibi: the man doesn't say anything about it's parameters really
18:08<Chetic>but it does still expect them
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18:10<chahibi>Chetic: insmod -o <module> <module>.o I gues
18:12*EmleyMoor is letting a GParted live CD do its stuff...
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18:13<chealer>zem: sid. squeeze's nvidia drivers are broken
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18:14<tux>chahibi: sed -n -e "/^<p\>/,/<\/p>/p" /home/edhunter/Links/test.txt | sed -e "s/<p>//g" -e "s/<\/p>//g"
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18:16<Chetic>chahibi: nah..
18:16<Chetic>chahibi: can't I use modprobe somehow?
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18:41<duzz>chahibi: do you know python ? is it possible you code something for language-learning ? the regexps i have now. But i need to program *little* more complex..
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19:02<tharkun>Is there a daemon capable of recieving and sending faxes?
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19:02<themill>judd info hylafax-server
19:02<judd>themill: hylafax-server (comm): is extra; Version: 2:4.4.4-10.1; Size: 884.6k; Installed: 3352k -- Flexible client/server fax software - server daemons
19:03<themill>tharkun: (that's just from "apt-cache search fax daemon", not a recommendation based on use of it!)
19:04<tharkun>themill: thx for the info
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19:06<abrotman>i've used hylafax .. it's not fun to setup, but works well once you get it going
19:06<tharkun>abrotman: Does it remail the faxes recieved?
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19:07<abrotman>tharkun: i believe it can .. we used it with Pyla (win32 machines/clients) to check faxes
19:07<abrotman>tharkun: it stores the items as TIFF by default .. you could probably pass it through a PDF converter and then mail the PDF to a list of people
19:08<raylu>i'm trying to set up qingy ( on debian squeeze with the default kernel (2.6.30-2-amd64). apparently, i don't have a framebuffer device /dev/fb0. do i need to compile a custom kernel to enable the framebuffer?
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19:09<tharkun>abrotman: The objective is to replace a windows server 2003 which is doing dns, dhcp, mail, Active Directory and Fax server, the missing link right now is the pci fax server. Since it allready send tiff format images, i will discard that problem
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19:10<abrotman>tharkun: is something like eFax out of the question ?
19:10<tharkun>Sorry for my ignorance, what does eFax mean?
19:11<abrotman>it's a company .. 3rd party provider ..
19:11<abrotman>tharkun: anyways .. the only issue might be the modem in the machine
19:11<abrotman>(that i can see about your setup
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19:12<tharkun>Definetly out of the question, people are very sensitive about the information send over fax.
19:13<abrotman>tharkun: i'll just say that the docs are awful, and it's not the easiest thing to get going
19:13<abrotman>tharkun: do you also need to send faxes ?
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19:13<tharkun>But on the first step, recieving will do
19:14<abrotman>tharkun: and the client machines are windows ?
19:14<tharkun>Nice jungle of windows linux (diferent distros) and Macs
19:15<abrotman>tharkun: i can only comment on the windows part, but ISTR there is a thing called the "Redmond Port Redirector" that allows you to print/send faxes from windows .. i had no requirements to do such a thing from linux/osx
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19:16<abrotman>it lets you print any file IIRC, directly to the fax system
19:16<abrotman>tharkun: of course .. I did this years ago, there may be much improved client software by now
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19:17<tharkun>abrotman: i believe there is a programm that lets you send ps files as faxes, i believe its called efax
19:18<abrotman>tharkun: well .. at any rate .. hylafax is probably what you're looking for .. i wish you luck!
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19:19<tharkun>abrotman: thank you, i'll keep you posted on the progress so it can help someone else
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19:20<abrotman>tharkun: or write a nice howto
19:20<abrotman>tharkun: does this server have a serial port?
19:20<tharkun>no, pci motorola fax
19:21<abrotman>i know that USR used to sell a non-winmodem pci modem .. just beware that you may need to get a different modem
19:21<abrotman>(that's why i asked about a serial port)
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19:23<raylu>hm. the device seems to have been created upon startup.
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19:24<tharkun>since it is a production server and its got some schedueled downtime somewhere on january, i am doing the needed research. As a matter of fact i plan on buying the exact same modem to do some testing on another machine before. So everything runs smoothly on D day
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19:28<abrotman>tharkun: a really really good plan :)
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20:10<tharkun>abrotman, themill: thx for your time
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20:39<overddose>how do i get back into gnome from the linux shell
20:40<duzz>mh.. xinit maybe
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20:41<abrotman>overddose: how did you get to the shell ?
20:41<overddose>im not sure...
20:41<overddose>control or wkey something
20:42<overddose>f1 i think?
20:42<abrotman>ctrl-alt-f7 to get back
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22:21<gpm>hi. iceweasel crashes when opening gmail, but, as far as i've tested, almost no other sites. i'm sure there are a million things i should check before filing a bug, so i am here.
22:22<gpm>(seeking suggestions)
22:23<abrotman>tried epiphany?
22:23<abrotman>safe mode?
22:23<abrotman>mv .mozilla .mozilla.old?
22:23<gpm>the latter, yes
22:23<gpm>still crashes
22:24<gpm>let me try safe mode
22:24<gpm>i don't have epiphany, but i guess i can install it
22:24<abrotman>gpm: and whihc version of Debian ?
22:24<gpm>abrotman: it's sid
22:25<gpm>crashes in safe mode, trying epiphany
22:26*Xenguy investigates how to prevent debian from assigning 'eth4' to a system with 1 NIC...
22:27<abrotman>!tell Xenguy about 70
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22:28<Xenguy>tx abrotman !
22:28*Xenguy reads furthur...
22:28<gpm>abrotman: fwiw, it spits out this "sh: /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer: not found" before spitting out "Segmentation fault," but I don't have nspluginwrapper installed, I'm using flashplugin-nonfree, and yes, i've tried uninstalling flash
22:29<gpm>abrotman: epiphany segfaults as well
22:30<abrotman>gpm: sounds like a package is missing
22:30<abrotman>dpkg: find usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer
22:30<abrotman>are you on amd64 ?
22:30<abrotman>argh ..
22:30<abrotman>you try it with apt-file please
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22:31<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer' returned no results.
22:32<gpm>hm, leading slash?
22:32<gpm>dpkg: find /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer
22:32<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer' returned no results.
22:32<abrotman>no .. i meant on your box .. not with the bot
22:32<gpm>i didn't have apt-file so it's updating
22:32<abrotman>the bot onl yknows i386
22:33<gpm>yeah it's in nspluginwrapper, let me install that and see if that helps
22:35<gpm>abrotman: now it just spits out "Segmentation fault" without the npviewer error
22:35<gpm>and still crashes
22:35<abrotman>gpm: there is a 64bit flash now
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22:35<gpm>abrotman: yes, i believe it is what flashplugin-nonfree (which i use) installs.
22:35<gpm>which leads me to want to believe that it isn't flash.
22:36<gpm>though that is an easy target
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22:37<Silicium01>is anone familiar how authentication works with private trackers?
22:37<abrotman> .. maybe ?
22:37<Silicium01>Can I seed a torrent via transmissioncli to a private trackers?
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22:39<gpm>abrotman: yeah it is flash
22:39<gpm>probably that one or a related. i will try the player from marillat
22:40<abrotman>gpm: did you remove flash ?
22:40<gpm>abrotman: yeah removing flash did the trick
22:40<abrotman>gpm: make sure the flash you're using is the 64bit one .. and not the 32bit one that you need to have the nspluginwrapper for
22:41<gpm>abrotman: yeah that's what i was using. it's what flashplugin-nonfree installs.
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22:42<gpm>abrotman: oh amd64. some day, it'll be figured out. til then...
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22:59<mike-c>Where should I go to ask about SignedVncViewer.jar in debian lenny?
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23:06<mike-c>Where should I go to ask about SignedVncViewer.jar in debian lenny? (VncViewer.jar works)
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23:30<psypher>Hello all. HOws it going this fine day?
23:31<psypher>Can anyone teach me a few debian/linux tips / tricks
23:31<psypher>Looks as though this room is not very active.
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23:32<psypher>Guess nobody wants to talk with me
23:33<dondelelcaro>psypher: this is a support channel; just ask your question
23:34<psypher>I am wondering what linux OS ( debian ) would be the ideal choice for an enterprise level server
23:34<dondelelcaro>!why debian
23:34<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
23:34<psypher>Any recommedations would be welcome. ( ;
23:35<faheem>psypher: not sure what you are asking, but try debian lenny/stable.
23:35<psypher>I am curious about a good distro that uses Debian that is good for a server OS
23:35<faheem>psypher: Debian?
23:35<psypher>Just debian itself?
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23:35<faheem>psypher: look at Debian's policy manual. you'll find it very instructive
23:35<faheem>psypher: yes
23:36<faheem>psypher: most of the derivatives that use Debian are technically inferior
23:36<faheem>they are trying to provide a good user experience or some such
23:36<psypher>So whats going on these days... anything interesting to talk about?
23:37<faheem>for other points of view, try #ubuntu :-)
23:37<psypher>I'm bored.
23:37<psypher>I like ubuntu
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23:37<psypher>WHich is based on debain... correct?
23:37<faheem>psypher: yes
23:38<psypher>Right... so a good answer to my questions would have been : Look at Ubuntu. Its based on Debian and they have a server edition available
23:38<psypher>lol Some support channel you are. ) :
23:39<faheem>psypher: sorry, i've no idea what your actual question is, if any.
23:39<sney>this is a volunteer channel, so the quality of your experience will vary widely based on who is here, how many of us there are, what time it is, and what your exact question is.
23:39<faheem>psypher: debian does just fine as a server.
23:39<psypher>Previous Question: I am curious about a good distro that uses Debian that is good for a server OS?
23:39<sney>Debian Stable is a great choice for an Enterprise server deployment because the updates are frozen except for security and bugfixes.
23:40<faheem>psypher: again, debian stable. sigh.
23:40<sney>so you've got a constant set of software revisions
23:40<sney>faheem: he wanted details, I guess
23:40<psypher>No, just a suggestion really
23:40<faheem>sney: well, he can read about them
23:40<faheem>i pointed him to debian policy
23:40<psypher>Cool. Thanks for the info
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23:40<faheem>psypher: try the debian wiki
23:41<psypher>Now that is a good suggestion! I will check it out right now.
23:42<psypher>faheem +4 points for his demonstrated abstract thinking, retention and general enthusiasm
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23:42<psypher>This wiki is well structured
23:43<sney>psypher: also, when you're running debian, you have access to a much more experienced and useful support network. and only some of us are as ornery as faheem ;)
23:44<psypher>Good point! Thanks ( ;
23:44<faheem>sney: hey, i was being nice. i replied, didn't I?
23:44<sney>Ubuntu being as it is designed for ease of use, a lot of its userbase hasn't figured out Bash yet, much less advanced system administration tricks and that sort of thing
23:44<psypher>Mainly, I have been trying to learn some bash / shell scripting
23:44<chealer>psypher: distributions don't really "use Debian". Debian is a distribution itself. If you're looking for a Linux distribution to use as an organizational server OS, you most likely want Debian.
23:45<psypher>For automating some system processes. Although I have heard python is great for this purpose
23:45<mike-c>Hi All: Where should I go to ask about SignedVncViewer.jar in debian lenny? (I have VncViewer.jar working)
23:45<psypher>Maybe I will just write a service in good ole c
23:45<sney>the best scripting language for automating system processes is the one you're the most familiar with
23:46<sney>I know a crazy italian guy who insists on doing it all in tcsh
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23:48<psypher>Do you know of a good resource for learning to write applications for linux in C++?
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23:49<sney>that depends, how much C/C++ do you already know?
23:50<psypher>I written a game engine in C++, and many other applications
23:50<sney>the awesome thing about open source is that you can just download any old software package and look at the code yourself
23:50<sney>the best resource for learning to write applications for linux is to look at what the other guys did ;)
23:50<psypher>Yes, that is good point
23:51<psypher>I suppose I am just learning the basic lib includes ... like using the alternative to iostream an stdio.h
23:51<psypher>Awesome. I am excited to write some code now!
23:52<psypher>Thanks for your assistance sney... and faheem *sigh*
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