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---Logopened Sat Oct 24 00:00:09 2009
---Daychanged Sat Oct 24 2009
00:00<overddose>when i "mount***********"
00:00<overddose>it gives me a list of the usage
00:00<Lat>k, so my command doesn't work?
00:01<overddose>-f doesnt work
00:01<Lat>lol, k. let me read the manual XD
00:01<overddose>LOL WAIT
00:01<overddose>forgot to substitute myWD
00:01<Lat>mount [-fnrsvw] [-t vfstype] [-o options] device dir
00:01<Lat>it's -t
00:02<overddose>i do not have the permissions necessary to view contents
00:02<overddose>:[ am sad
00:02<Lat>k, hold on then
00:02<overddose>it mounted it
00:02<overddose>it just
00:02<overddose>didnt let me see the stuff
00:02<Lat>only root can see it?
00:03<overddose>im guessing
00:03<Lat>mount|grep sdc1
00:03<Lat>what you get?
00:03<overddose>/dev/sdc1 on /mnt/500WDBLK type ntfs (rw)
00:03<Lat>umount /dev/sdc1
00:04<Lat>mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/500WDBLK -t ntfs -o ro,dmask=0022,fmask=0133,nls=utf8
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00:04<overddose>i liek yew
00:05<overddose>HURR DURR
00:05<Lat>rule ?? there's no girls on the internet, so ya. you're not a girl
00:05<overddose>i have had enough of this faggot tree.
00:05<Lat>so, did it work?
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00:07<overddose>youz a geniuz br0
00:07<overddose>and ai?
00:07<overddose>will nevar be liek yew
00:07<Lat>I take that as a yes
00:07<overddose>so do i have to go through this
00:07<overddose>every damn time.
00:07<Lat>k, do you want to mount automagically everytime you restart?
00:08<overddose>this is a temp thing.
00:08<overddose>but i would liek for it to automatically mount upon connection.
00:08<overddose>which it probably already does
00:08<Lat>cat /etc/debian_version
00:09<overddose>5.0.3 br0
00:09<overddose>5.0.3 with 2.6.30 kernel :D
00:09<overddose>squeeze bricked laptop via xserver dying. i was sad. i just wanted compiz to work :[
00:09<Lat>hold on
00:09<overddose>i want a squishy screen :[
00:09<Lat>playing another round
00:10<overddose>GRIFFBALL BR0
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00:10<overddose>i r console banned from halo.
00:10<overddose>lat. wut r ur gaymertagz0rz
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00:13<jeancalvin500>hello how can i get a later version of libnss3-1d (>= 3.12.3) on my debian comp? i currently have 3.12.0-5. need newer version for google chrome
00:14<Lat>why is always fun to respawn in the middle of the enemy team?
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00:16<Lat>that will help you to mount it automagically
00:17<overddose>LOL AUTOMAGICALLY
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00:19<rabidweezle>alright, I have an ath5k driver issue of it not switching the wireless on, anyone know how to software switch on an ath5k?
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00:24<Lat>has it work before, rabidweezle ?
00:24<rabidweezle>in ubuntu and pclinuxos yes
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00:25<rabidweezle>the problem with this device is, it doesn't have a "hardware" switch, just a software one
00:26<rabidweezle>I'm about to update to the latest NetworkManager, see if that helps
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00:26<Lat>you're using stable?
00:26<rabidweezle>how do I check?
00:26<Lat>modinfo ath5k
00:26<rabidweezle>I just installed from the netinst cd today
00:26<Lat>what you get?
00:27<rabidweezle>0.5.0 experimental
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00:27<Lat>lsmod|grep ath5k
00:28<Lat>do you get anything at all?
00:28<rabidweezle>3 entries
00:28<Lat>ifconfig|grep wlan0
00:29<Lat>do you get anything?
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00:29<hugo>how well does debian work on eeepc, conpared to other netbooks?
00:29<Lat>ifconfig wlan0
00:30<rabidweezle>yeah, it's there Lat
00:30<rabidweezle>the problem is, it's not "switched on"
00:30<Lat>does it have an IP?
00:30<Lat>ifconfig up wlan0
00:30<Lat>do you get an error?
00:30<rabidweezle>well yeah
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00:31<rabidweezle>because the order is wrong
00:31<rabidweezle>wlan0 up
00:31<rabidweezle>and no errors with proper syntax :)
00:31<Lat>ifup wlan0
00:32<rabidweezle>perhaps with a newer kernel?
00:32<Lat>dpkg -l|grep wpasupplicant
00:32<dpkg>Lat: are you smoking crack?
00:32<rabidweezle>I need wpasupplicant for wep?
00:32<hugo>or any recommendations for netbook on which can runs debian?
00:32<Lat>no, I'm just wodering if you use it or not
00:33<rabidweezle>hugo, I suggest premade netbook distros
00:33<Lat>hugo, I don't use plain debian, but I know the distro I use works on eeepc
00:34<rabidweezle>alot of people like netbook remix
00:34<hugo>premade netbook distro? ubuntu?
00:34<rabidweezle>there are a few different ones
00:34<Lat>well, premade is always the best when you're trying for the first time
00:35<rabidweezle>many netbook distros are clean with just what you need to get everything you need working
00:36<rabidweezle>my bro uses that netbook remix, it's pretty nice
00:36<hugo>is there any premade debian distro?
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00:37<rabidweezle>dunno, check out the eeeusers forum
00:38<rabidweezle>netbook remix is ubuntu :/
00:39<rabidweezle>hey Lat, are there newer kernel's in lenny's repo?
00:39<Lat>dunno, I dont use stable
00:39<rabidweezle>how do I switch to "bleeding edge"?
00:39<hugo>Lat: found debian is in top 5 netbook distro
00:40<Lat>installing unstable
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00:42<rabidweezle>Lat do I have to do a full reinstall for that?
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00:42<sney>you can use backports to use newer kernels with lenny
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00:46<overddose><3 u lat
00:46<overddose>bai guys
00:46<Lat>just open your paypal and will see
00:46<rabidweezle>can I just switch to unstable with a repo change and a dist-upgrade?
00:46<Lat>it's not that easy
00:46<Lat>learn more about linux in general
00:47<Lat>then you can jump to unstable
00:47<rabidweezle>I've been using linux for 10+ years faithfully, just not debian :/
00:47<rabidweezle>mostly gentoo
00:47<sney>if you are having a wireless driver issue, use a backported kernel or use testing. unstable is not meant for regular use. it breaks.
00:47<Lat>there you go, try new kernel
00:48<rabidweezle>what line do I add to /etc/sources.list to get the backport repo?
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00:49<rabidweezle>/etc/apt/sources.list that is
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00:49<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
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00:53<Lat>hi, any fix for kernel-package to avoid getting a linux-xenu instead a linux-image deb?
00:56*rabidweezle installs the new kernel
00:56<rabidweezle>bet this will fix it
00:58*rabidweezle reboots to test
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01:03<rabidweezle>Lat, the backported kernel worked like a charm :)
01:03<sney>there are a bunch of atheros chips that are only supported by 2.6.29 and later
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01:05<rabidweezle>now to install my nvidia drivers
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01:05<Lat>apt-get install module-assistant
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01:06<Lat>m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source
01:06<Lat>oh wait, stable
01:06<Lat>I guess you prefer the binaries
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01:07<rabidweezle>I am downloading the binary
01:07<Lat>unless the backports have recent nvidia
01:07<rabidweezle>I'd always rather compile
01:07<Lat>you compile with both methods XD
01:07<Lat>you have to build the module
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01:08<rabidweezle>I always get the latest version with nvidia though
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01:25<rabidweezle>is there a way to induce dpkg to get all deps upon installing a deb?
01:26<rabidweezle>I kinda of remember dpkg doing all that automagically before :/
01:26<maxb>that would be what apt is for
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01:57<wwwwww>sapa manusia
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02:32<Lillymon>Squeeze is damn weird. Swfdec is installed by default, but identifies itself as 0.8.2. The current in the repos is 0.8.4-1, and I've done an apt-get update & upgrade. New packages, but no new swfdec.
02:34<Lillymon>Fortunately, this isn't as bad as the ALSA problem. Swfdec 0.8.2 looks pretty good for my purposes, maybe good enough to dump Flash Player.
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02:37<Lethalman>Lillymon, aptitude upgrade == safe-upgrade, so if it can't install swfdec for some reason it won't. Do a dist-upgrade if you want to force it force it someway or discover the problem or aptitude whynot swfdec maybe
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02:39<Lillymon>Well it gets stranger. KPackage says swfdec isn't installed, can't be found anywhere. But I just watched YouTube video, right clicked on it, and got the player to tell me it was being rendered by Swfdec 0.8.2. So it IS installed.
02:40<Lethalman>there's no swfdec in the repository
02:40<Lethalman>there's libswfdec and swfdec-mozilla and swfdec-gnome
02:41<cahoot>Lillymon: fwiw I use mplayer-plugin and a greasmonkeyscript for youtube and such
02:41<Lillymon>I searced for 'swfdec', libswfdec would appear with that string. Also, apt confirms that libswfdec-0.8-0 is installed and up-to-date.
02:42<Lillymon>So KPackage is useless to me if I can't even rely on it to know what's installed.
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02:44<live007>hi all .. i'm trying this command on my debian-testing : mkinitrd /boot/config-2.6.30 : not found ..plz help
02:45<Lillymon>I've now gone from Adept Manager to KPackageKit to KPackage, and feel that I've been moving to a worse application with each transition.
02:45<cahoot>live007: mkinitramfs?
02:45<CQ>hello, can I selectively upgrade packages in testing, i.e. apt-get isntall something to upgrade it and it'll pull all the required upgraded deps as well?
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02:47<live007>cahoot : thanks++ .. which should use : d k o r ?
02:47<live007>cahoot : thanks++ .. which option should use : d k o r ?
02:48<cahoot>well - that's what I use
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04:12<ltspadmin>any special room is there for ltsp user
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04:23<agata>hi, im running debian lenny and i have just plugged a usb external disk... and it's not being recognized. I suspect there might be a problem with the disk (i am just trying it to check if it's working or bring it to be fixed...) but i do not see it mounted anywhere, any ideas?
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04:25<petemc>agata: check syslog/messages
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04:26<agata>where should they be exactly petemc ?
04:26<agata>cannot find anything like syslog
04:27<petemc> /var/log/
04:27<agata>oki thanks hold on a minute
04:27<petemc>dont paste here
04:28<agata>i know i know i will use pastebin... but i'd need to know exactly the name of the file to check, because there are a few... please?
04:28<petemc>exactly as i typed them
04:29<agata>aha ok just a sec i will paste in pastebin
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04:33<agata>this should be it petemc
04:33<agata>it says not ready after error recovery but i dunno what it's talking about. Hi chacal
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04:33<chacal>thankyou good night
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04:34<chacal>hello everybody
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04:35<chacal>hello agata
04:35<agata>the thing with this is that i believe it's physically broken, but i'd like to try and wipe it out just in case... but since i cannot access it i cannot check what's the problem so i am a bit stucked *sigh*
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04:43<Nazcafan>I tried to upgrade my squeeze box today, but I got some errors:
04:44<marchino>hi! where i can found the repositories list? (the site is not very usable)
04:44<Nazcafan>when migrating to a dependency based sysV init or something alike
04:44<Nazcafan>error: Unable to migrate to dependency based boot sequencing.
04:44<Nazcafan>error: Problems detected: package timidity left obsolete init.d script behind, insserv: warning: script 'xfree86-common' missing LSB tags and overrides,
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04:46<locklace>Nazcafan: first one's trivial to fix. no idea what "xfree86-common" is; sounds dubious
04:47<Nazcafan>locklace: I am sorry, but for the first one, should I get rid of timidity?
04:49<locklace>if it's still installed, you could either temporarily remove it, remove its init script, or fix its init script
04:50<locklace>!dbugs 538967
04:50<dpkg>DONE:#538967:I[timidity] Obsolete init.d/timidity left behind after upgrade? (); Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:09:01 UTC []
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04:52<Nazcafan>locklace: ah there is an xfree86-common script in my /etc/init.d folder
04:52<dpkg>folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes.
04:53<Nazcafan>locklace: ah there is an xfree86-common script in my /etc/init.d directory
04:53<Nazcafan>I tried to apt-file search for it, to no avail…
04:54<Nazcafan>does it mean I may remove it safely?
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04:54<locklace>i expect so
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04:57<Nazcafan>locklace: I'll just move it to my ~/Desktop just in case
04:58<Nazcafan>locklace: I purged timidity, but the script is still there
04:59<locklace>did you read the bug
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05:01<Nazcafan>I did, but did not get everything, actually
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05:01<Nazcafan>well, I manually removed the timidity script and the migration to seems to have worked, now
05:02<locklace>!congratulate Nazcafan
05:02<dpkg>Huzzah Nazcafan, you did it!
05:04<Nazcafan>thanks locklace, next step is to check whether the migration to the last version of xorg really broke the xserver appart
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06:52<fanen>hi pls i want to install oracle on leny which line sould i add to my sources list ?
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07:56<EmleyMoor>Is there a channel supporting ekiga anywhere?
07:56<leikh>I'm looking for a good server monitoring tool. Preferably one with an alert function when critical circumstances occur. Any suggestions?
07:57<themill>EmleyMoor: /msg dpkg ekiga
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08:30<peej>EmleyMoor, backports has a 3.x version for ekiga
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08:33<EmleyMoor>peej: Don't want to bother if it won't help the problem I have
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08:34<EmleyMoor>Will consider it
08:34<peej>well, what's the problem?
08:35<peej>how do I find out what commands dpkg <--- the bot supports?
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08:36<abrotman>peej: /msg dpkg help
08:36<EmleyMoor>peej: not supporting the webcam in my laptop
08:36<jetli>hi there can some one tell m8 how do i get wine to show up in my menu on debian 4
08:37<abrotman>EmleyMoor: gnome or kde ?
08:37<abrotman>tell m8 ?
08:37<abrotman>EmleyMoor: try cheese
08:38<EmleyMoor>abrotman: The system supports it - will look at cheese and see what it's for
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08:39<abrotman>jetli: how did you install wine ?
08:39<abrotman>judd: info cheese --release lenny
08:39<judd>abrotman: cheese (gnome): is optional; Version: 2.22.3-3; Size: 4130.2k; Installed: 4940k -- A tool to take pictures and videos from your webcam
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08:39<jetli>hi there can some one tell m8 how do i get wine to show up in my menu on debian 4 i installed it but i can not see it
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08:39<themill>jetli: there's no point in having wine in the menu. Running wine on its own does nothing.
08:39<jetli>apt-get install wine
08:39<EmleyMoor>Ah, no. It's quite definitely ekiga's problem
08:40<jetli>i but how do run programs through wine m8
08:40<peej>EmleyMoor, later ekiga may be a solution if the cam is supported by the kernel.
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08:41<peej>backports has: 3.2.5-1~bpo50+1
08:41<EmleyMoor>peej: It is supported by the kernel
08:41<EmleyMoor>ck up on it later
08:41<themill>jetli: if it's a .exe file, then just double clock on it in nautilus and it should work. (or run the installer for the application)
08:42<EmleyMoor>That will be considered then - will che
08:42<EmleyMoor>(that should have begun)
08:42<themill>EmleyMoor: reverse polish or yoda?
08:42<peej>else, if ekiga still can't handle, you could run motion and point people to port 8081. Not as good as ekiga with h.264 though.
08:42<abrotman>EmleyMoor: so it works fine in cheese?
08:42<EmleyMoor>themill: Sideways Klingon <g>
08:43<EmleyMoor>abrotman: It should. It works in xawtv
08:44<EmleyMoor>Yes, fine
08:44<jetli>i installed winrar with wine but it will not load
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08:46<EmleyMoor>cheese will be useful - and better than my phone - for self photos
08:46<abrotman>EmleyMoor: does that mean you will try, or it does work fine ?
08:46<EmleyMoor>It does work fine
08:47<abrotman>EmleyMoor: cheese fails here .. i think the lack of a camera hurts performance
08:47<EmleyMoor>Ah, that would
08:47<abrotman>actualyl .. now it crashes .. didn't used to do that
08:48*EmleyMoor thinks this laptop was actually designed by someone who likes Linux
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08:50<user01>is tzdata-java an important package? its apparently broken and aptitude is recommending to keep tzdata [2009l-0lenny1 at its current version.
08:50<abrotman>well . that was a poor idea
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08:51<jetli>Wine again with a higher level
08:51<jetli>of debug messages (the debug option, below).
08:51<jetli>You can attempt to reconfigure Wine to make it work better.
08:51<jetli>The Wine Configuration program can assist you in making
08:51<jetli>those changes (select Configure, below, for more).
08:51<jetli>You can disable this message entirely by selecting the
08:51<jetli>Disable option below.
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08:56<jetli>hi wine gives me an 193 error code
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09:05<jetli>anyone here?
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09:13<kaiser>hiya, anyone can help me to implement "sharing files with bluetooth" in debian squeeze?
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09:24<jetli>is there any one there that can help me please
09:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:26<jetli>k thanks i am running debian and i have installed wine but when i try to use wine it gives me a 193 error
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09:30<live007>hi all .. I did telinit 3, .. but sitll booting to kdm ,.. ( to install Nvidia agp card) ..plz help
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09:34<ehren>I just logged into xfce 4.6 and for some reason I can't get see the panel (the taskbar) anymore. When I click the panel settings (via the right click context menu) it just doesn't start up. Any suggestions?
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09:34<dr|z3d>ehren: ctrl+f2 -> xfce4-panel --replace
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09:35<ehren>hmm Unknown option --replace
09:35<michal_> hello, how to set default web browser for RSS Now widget on KDE4?
09:36<ehren>dr|z3d: well just entering xfce4-panel worked. thanks again :)
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09:37<ehren>oh.. didn't see the cntrl f2... works now anyways though
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09:38<dr|z3d>ehren: ah, --restart should work, if you want to reload the panel.
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09:40<ehren>dr|z3d: k
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09:43<live007>hi all .. I did telinit 3, .. but sitll booting to kdm ,.. ( to install Nvidia agp card) ..plz help
09:43<jetli>k thanks i am running debian and i have installed wine but when i try to use wine it gives me a 193 error
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09:44<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too.
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09:46<jetli>i installed winrar with wine tand it puts a winrar.lnk on desktop
09:47<jetli>but when i click in it the wine debug window opesn and it says
09:47<dr|z3d>jetli: Why install Winrar? They are plenty of native packages.
09:47<jetli>wine has exicted with a failure status 193
09:48<jetli>i have looked for a pacakge to rar and urar but i can not find any
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09:48<dpkg>[rar] Roshal ARchive, a proprietary archive format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst archive format ever. To extract RAR3 files (the most common archive version), use either the "rar" or "unrar" programs in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" is unable to extract RAR3 files. Install the 'rar' package to create RAR files.
09:49<dr|z3d>apt-cache search unrar
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09:49<jetli>cheers will try that
09:50<erve>oups sorry an trying to filters some chanel bad command
09:51<teKnoid>not that we noticed ;)
09:51<teKnoid>why is rar considered 'bad'...
09:51<teKnoid>just because it's proprietary?
09:51<teKnoid>the compression is quite good tbh
09:52<teKnoid>although 7z often turns out better and it's completely free
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09:52<jetli>is there 7z for debian m8 ?
09:53<teKnoid>yes, there is
09:53<teKnoid>dunno the name of the package
09:53<locklace>!start an archiver war
09:53<dpkg>rar blows goats!
09:53<dr|z3d>apt-cache search 7zip
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09:54<dr|z3d>aptitude install p7zip-rar p7zip-full
09:54<teKnoid>that was... easy
09:54<dr|z3d>There, 7zip & rar support.
09:55<teKnoid>yah, I had it running already
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09:56<teKnoid>just didn't remember the name of the package (they are not always as self-evident as here)
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09:57<dr|z3d>teKnoid: apt-cache search <string> comes highly recommended.
09:57<teKnoid>yah, I mostly use Synaptic *ashamed*
09:57<teKnoid>hmm, it even looks for similar strings
09:58<teKnoid>thanks a lot!
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09:58<jetli>synaptic is not insatalled on my server
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09:58<dr|z3d>jetli: aptitude install p7zip-rar p7zip-full
09:58<teKnoid>I use Lenny as desktop OS
09:58<jetli>how do you run 7zip i can not find it in the menus
09:59<teKnoid>and guess what, it works great!
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09:59<teKnoid>jetli: 7zr --help
09:59<jetli>7zr --help
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10:00<jetli>sorry i am totaly new to debian
10:00<teKnoid>no problem
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10:00<teKnoid>just run it in bash
10:00<teKnoid>(the default shell)
10:01<jetli>is there no gui for it ?
10:01<teKnoid>well, are you logged in?
10:01<jetli>yes m8
10:01<teKnoid>then you are probably looking at a commandline screen
10:01<jetli>in terminal?
10:01<teKnoid>with yourusername@servername~#:
10:02<jetli>i m8 got terminal open
10:02<teKnoid>now you can install 7z by the command dr|z3d gave
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10:03<teKnoid>and after that you can view all the options by typing in 7zr --help
10:05<jetli>says z3d not found m8
10:05<kapal>Hi! I know, that with Debian testing I'm on my own, but maybe anyone have a clue, why gdm does not start with slim and startx working? Checked bugs, googled a bit, seen syslog, .xsession-errors, dmesg, .Xorg-log, /var/log/gdm/* still no solution... Any tip apprecieated :)
10:06<teKnoid>are you logged in as root? @ jetli
10:06<teKnoid>maybe you need to add the non-free repo first
10:06<kapal>I mean gdm alone does not work, but startx or slim works (not simaltunously :P)
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10:08<jetli>i m8 i am logged in as root i think
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10:08<teKnoid>ok, try this:
10:08<abrotman>wtf is m8?
10:08<abrotman>why can't he talk in english?
10:08<teKnoid>su - {you'll get a password prompt, if you are the one who installed the OS, you will know it ;)}
10:09<teKnoid>m8 = short for mate, abrotman
10:09<teKnoid>a British abbreviation for it ;)
10:09<abrotman>that's just goofy .. he's from england ..
10:09<teKnoid>at least, it's kinda common in Brittain
10:09<teKnoid>su -
10:09<teKnoid>nano /etc/apt/sources.list
10:10<jetli>yes says my username m8
10:10<teKnoid>then uncomment the following lines: (by removing the #-sign before them
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10:11<teKnoid>oh w8
10:11<teKnoid>you'll have a line there
10:11<teKnoid>something like deb lenny main
10:11<teKnoid>add: "contrib non-free" at the end
10:11<abrotman>maybe you should ask to see his sources first before you mess up his box
10:12<abrotman>jetli: please put your /etc/apt/sources.list at
10:12<jetli>ok m8
10:12<teKnoid>he said it was a fresh install
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10:12<abrotman>he also said it was 4.0
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10:13<jetli>i its 4 it come with my dedicated server
10:13<teKnoid>true on that, though adding these 2 repo's is common for all versions
10:15<abrotman>teKnoid: not if adds them literaly .. you'll have just half-assed his box to lenny
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10:15<abrotman>literally ..
10:15<weebl>isn't there something like dist-upgrade?
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10:16<teKnoid>abrotman: yah, but therefor I advised him to add the 2 keywords at the end of the line ;P
10:16<abrotman>teKnoid: after you posted a lenny line ...
10:16<teKnoid>but yah, your solution is more secure, I guess
10:16<teKnoid>yep, with "something like" before it
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10:17<teKnoid>as I said, your suggestion was more safe for a newbie
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10:17<teKnoid>to use
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10:18<bighornram>I have an issue happening with icon transparency in the gnome panel since upgrading to squeeze. gnome icons ie: nm, bluetooth, battery, sound are all fine but PSI and mail notification applet icons are not transparent. I was able to fix psi by changing the systemtray "use-old" setting to false. any ideas based on this info that mail notification icons could be fixed?
10:18<jetli>i totally new to this so dont want to mess anything up
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10:19<teKnoid>uhu, I certainly understand that @ jetli
10:19<teKnoid>have you got the link for the sources list?
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10:20<jetli>no m8
10:20<teKnoid>have you switched the user to root?
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10:21<teKnoid>after that do: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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10:22<jetli>no m8 done nothing on it just got the box today took m8 hours to get vnc to work totall nebie
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10:23<teKnoid>have you installed the OS yourself or was it pre-installed?
10:23<jetli>pre installed m8
10:23<teKnoid>ok, then probably they gave you the root pass?
10:24<jetli>everything i install via the apt-get install
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10:24<jetli>othing shows up in the menus even if it says its a gui
10:24<teKnoid>ok, if that's the case, they have probably given you the proper privileges
10:24<teKnoid>try "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
10:27<jetli>says no such file or dir
10:28<teKnoid>hmm, might be a weird configuration if they don't want their users messing around with repo's..
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10:29<teKnoid>you might try contacting them on the issue, whether you have root access or how to add repositories anyway
10:29<jetli>is there any way to get stuff you install to apear in hte menus
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10:30<teKnoid>well, if it's a graphical tool you install, that should appear in the appropriate section by itself
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10:30<teKnoid>are you using gnome or kde?
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10:31<teKnoid>(or another graphical environment)
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10:31<abrotman>jetli: cat /etc/debian_version ... what does it say ?
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10:32<nnunn_>can someone tell me what package i have to download to get the source of the "su" command?
10:33<nareshov>nnunn_: apt-get source login
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10:33<nareshov>nnunn_: do 'dpkg -S `which su` to find the name of the package to which 'su' belongs to and use 'apt-get source PACKAGE'
10:34<nnunn_>thx, that was the next question i was about to ask
10:34<nareshov>thought it'd be a good idea to let you how to fish... rather than catch that fish for you :P
10:35<nareshov>let you know*
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10:37<teKnoid>now a question of my own, I'm running Lenny on a P5E-VM SE motherboard and once upon a time, when booting, the OS refuses to load my sound adapter
10:37<teKnoid>with the following message as a result:
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10:37<abrotman>teKnoid: try the bpo kernel
10:38<teKnoid>yah, running that
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10:38<teKnoid>stable one gave the same
10:38<teKnoid>uname -a gives:
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10:38<teKnoid>Linux debian 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 17 14:57:26 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
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10:42<abrotman>teKnoid: i wonder how udev populates sound devices (or if it even does)
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10:44<teKnoid>abrotman: dunno, 9 out of 10 times it just does, I guess
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10:45<teKnoid>and the single time it doesn't, I can easily sole it by letting alsaconf search for my sound card again (and sporadically setting up the volumes in alsamixer)
10:46<abrotman>but you can't figure out a pattern ?
10:48<teKnoid>nope.. is there a way to make the booting process even more verbose? :P
10:48<dpkg>[bootlogd] disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
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10:48<abrotman>not sure if there's a verbosity to it
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10:49<teKnoid>tnx man, will try that
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10:50<teKnoid>the setting is changed, so I'll see it the next time I bootup (and the error condition occurs again)
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11:24<johnfg>hi folks
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11:25<johnfg>I've got both evince and acrobat reader installed, but how do I get adobe acrobat reader to be the default? It doesn't appear in update-alternatives?
11:26<abrotman>johnfg: default in what? IW? Nautilus ?
11:26<nareshov>do you use gnome?
11:26<themill>johnfg: that's a preference you'd set in your desktop environment or whatever program you are using to open the pdfs.
11:26<johnfg>to all: I'm using nautilus/gnome.
11:27<johnfg>So, like in the configuration editor?
11:27<cahoot>johnfg: if you simply rightclick and choose - won't it stick?
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11:29<johnfg>cahoot, No, it won't stick, and it doesn't even appear (i.e., acroread) as an option, at least from email/evolution.
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11:32<abrotman>johnfg: right click, Properties, open with, choose what you want
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11:34<themill>johnfg: fwiw, I find acroread to be a horrible slow dog compared to other pdf readers like kpdf and evince -- you might not really want it as the default pdf viewer.
11:35<andrewqin>how to setup scim in debian in english environment
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11:36<johnfg>themill, One thing I've found, in some other linuxes, is that every once in a while there's something in a document that evince can't handle, but acroread can. Not sure about the speed, but I believe you.
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11:37<themill>johnfg: yeah, that happens every now and then. Not that often in my experience though (I deal with dozens of PDFs each day with no issues with kpdf)
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11:38<johnfg>themill, I don't have kpdf installed at present on lenny, but maybe I'll go ahead. Are you running kde vs. gnome or something else for your desktop?
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11:39<abrotman>evince is fine
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11:39<abrotman>IIRC evince and kpdf use the same backend
11:39<themill>johnfg: I'm using KDE here, but afaik, the PDF rendering engine in kpdf and evince is identical.
11:39*goodger confirms that libpoppler is used in kpdf
11:39<themill>Both use poppler (abstracted from xpdf)
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11:40<johnfg>Thanks for the input guys, I'll stick with evince and/or kpdf until some problem arises.
11:41<johnfg>How's squeeze coming?
11:41<johnfg>Haven't tried it yet, but am tempted...
11:43<goodger>rather good so far. the latest gnome is a significant improvement
11:43<dpkg>Squeeze is anticipated to be released in mid 2010 with a freeze starting in March 2010. See and ask me about <squeeze bet>.
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12:36<Arcalyth>Hello all, I have a Saitek X52 joystick that I'm trying to use but it's not getting recognized. There's no /dev/js0 or /dev/input/js0. Running kernel 2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64. dmesg and lsusb show the device, but I can't use it as a joystick.
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12:44<Arcalyth>In addition, my Sidewinder gamepad is recognized and creates a /dev/input/js0 but my X52 does not
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12:59<bigbn>wow, how many peoples
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13:02<sraun>My etch->lenny upgrade died awfully last night.
13:04<sraun>I'd checked my free space needs before starting, it was running fine, df showed space on / going down, and suddenly df went to 100%
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13:04<sraun>and the upgrade died.
13:04<valdyn>sraun: so what
13:05<sraun>System is now unbootable. df shows 474443 total, 451204 used, 100% used. df -i shows 20% inodes used.
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13:06<sraun>I got a Debian LiveCD Rescue disk burned, and can boot from that. Tried fsck -f /dev/hda1 - finds no errors.
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13:07<jackyf>sraun: so, try to find what consumed all the space?
13:07<sraun>My calcs show that I should have 5% free space on those numbers - why doesn't df agree?
13:07<valdyn>sraun: your system boots fine
13:07<valdyn>sraun: those 5% are reserved to ensure you can boot fine
13:07<jackyf>valdyn: ?
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13:08<valdyn>sraun: only root can use the last 5%
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13:08<sraun>It won't boot - I get an invalid compression error when I try.
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13:08<valdyn>sraun: use the old kernel?
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13:09<sraun>back in a minute
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13:11<house>question - I'm unable to ssh from outside to my Debian box / i'm from unix to debian.
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13:12<sraun>I'm not getting a boot menu from LILO. When I hit tab or shift, that doesn't give me a list of kernels to choose from.
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13:14<ArSeNiO>your speak italian?
13:15<sraun>When I boot from the rescue CD, I can mount the hard-drive. Any way to coerce LILO to read the lilo.conf from there, and write a new MBR on hda? The rescue disk instructions all seem to think it should just work, and it doesn't.
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13:15<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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13:16<ArSeNiO>thanks dpkg
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13:34<EmleyMoor>Some files from package "wpasupplicant" have been accidentally deleted from my system, and reinstalling has not fixed it. What do I do to fully reinstall?
13:34<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
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13:36<live007>from my /boot/config-2.6.30 : CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y .. do I need any packages to enable loopback ? Thanks++
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13:36<EmleyMoor>Many thanks...
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13:38<dpkg>somebody said virtualbox was a virtual machine solution. VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is available for Lenny and as a backport for Etch. To install, ask me about <vbox-install lenny>, <vbox-install etch> or <vbox-install squeeze>. #vbox on See also <virtualization>.
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13:38<flo_>all pakg are listed?
13:39<flo_>from main repository
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13:43<jiohdi>I just installed debian for the first time... got the ubuntu training wheels off, but having some issues... can't seem to mount a usb flash drive, anyone know why?
13:44<dpalacio>jiohdi: can you explain a bit more?
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13:44<jiohdi>I plug in the flashdrive, it activates by blinkings its LED and then goes silent and the system ignores it
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13:45<teKnoid>jiohdi: does it get listed by lsusb?
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13:45<jiohdi>teKnoid: I will check
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13:46<jiohdi>the lsusb list does not show anything that seems like it would be it
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13:46<cahoot>replug it and check dmesg
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13:47<jiohdi>cahoot: what am I looking for?
13:47<sebo>yanliş yere gelmişiz yahu
13:47<cahoot>the last lines should say something about a new scsi device
13:49<jiohdi>it calls it sde1
13:49<cahoot>no errors or other complaints then?
13:49<jiohdi>if there is I dont see one
13:50<jiohdi>[ 9251.565074] usb 4-1.2: Product: USB 2.0 FD
13:50<jiohdi>[ 9251.565077] usb 4-1.2: Manufacturer: PNY
13:50<jiohdi>[ 9251.565079] usb 4-1.2: SerialNumber: 6E7406110888
13:50<jiohdi>[ 9251.569625] usb-storage: device found at 15
13:50<jiohdi>[ 9251.569634] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
13:50<jiohdi>[ 9256.569769] usb-storage: device scan complete
13:50<jiohdi>[ 9256.570724] scsi 7:0:0:0: Direct-Access PNY USB 2.0 FD PMAP PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
13:50<jiohdi>[ 9256.850160] sd 7:0:0:0: [sde] 8060928 512-byte hardware sectors (4127 MB)
13:50<jiohdi>[ 9256.850904] sd 7:0:0:0: [sde] Write Protect is off
13:50<jiohdi>[ 9256.850912] sd 7:0:0:0: [sde] Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00
13:50<jiohdi>[ 9256.850915] sd 7:0:0:0: [sde] Assuming drive cache: write through
13:50<jiohdi>[ 9256.853663] sd 7:0:0:0: [sde] 8060928 512-byte hardware sectors (4127 MB)
13:50-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
13:50<jiohdi>[ 9256.854680] sd 7:0:0:0: [sde] Write Protect is off
13:50<jiohdi>[ 9256.854689] sd 7:0:0:0: [sde] Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00
13:50-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@] by themill
13:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
13:50-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
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13:50<themill>jiohdi: please don't paste in here... use a pastebin
13:51<sebo>pasta yap diyor yahu
13:51<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, tr is türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on, or
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13:52<sebo>yardım isteyen kim ki yahu
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13:53<themill>sebo: /server ; /join
13:53<sebo> Böyle bir oda yok
13:54<jiohdi>ok its
13:54<dpkg>i heard make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
13:55<themill>sebo: farklı bir sunucuya: /server (different server)
13:55<jiohdi>btw, can anyone tell me why netinst failed but the business card worked?
13:55<sebo>yok gerek yahu
13:56<sebo>a türkce blende varmiş yahu
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13:56<Arcalyth>Hello all, I have a Saitek X52 joystick that I'm trying to use but it's not getting recognized. There's no /dev/js0 or /dev/input/js0. Running kernel 2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64. dmesg and lsusb show the device, but I can't use it as a joystick. Additionally, my Sidewinder game pad gets picked up just fine. Any ideas why my X52 isn't given a node in /dev?
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13:57<Gpsallright>hi sebo
13:57<Gpsallright>wer are you frm
13:57<jiohdi>so if my system sees the flashdrive how come I cannot mount it?
13:58<sebo>bi dogru yazamadık
13:58<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
13:58<cahoot>jiohdi: I think you can - but probably need to do it manually
13:58<jiohdi>cahoot: ok, how?>
13:58<Arcalyth>jiohdi: try # mkdir /mnt/usb ; mount -t auto /dev/sde1 /mnt/usb
13:59<cahoot>as root
13:59<Arcalyth>err, yeah, that's what the # meant. don't copy that in.
13:59<Gpsallright>how to auto munt ntfs partiton
13:59<cahoot>OTOH I thought gnome provides automount
13:59<jiohdi>Arcalyth: there is now an entry usb but when is ls it, there is nothing showing up
14:01<Gpsallright>@ sebo
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14:02<Gpsallright>sebo what are you doing
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14:07<live007>! make-kpkg --help
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14:08<live007>! modprobe.conf
14:08<live007>! modprobe.d
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14:11<jiohdi>Arcalyth: I tried it again, and it worked this time, thank you
14:11<imatroll>when is the next debian release?
14:11<bighornram>anyone know of a patch for mail-notification to fix eggtrayicon?
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14:11<goodger>imatroll: mid-2010
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14:33<flo_>do you know the date of next stable release?
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14:33<weebl>i won't be soon because lenny just came out?
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14:34<flo_>in feb 14 of this year
14:34<flo_>in 2 years
14:35<abrotman>no one knows when the next release will happen
14:35<locklace>i bet jesus knows
14:35<abrotman>doubt it
14:36<cahoot>abrotman: first name Thomas?
14:36<dpkg>Squeeze is anticipated to be released in mid 2010 with a freeze starting in March 2010. See and ask me about <squeeze bet>.
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14:37<faheem>that's a pretty optimistic timeline
14:38<themill>More real than freezing in December which was what was proposed a couple of months ago.
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14:39<faheem>themill: true
14:39<fanen>hi please which line should i add in my sources.list to install oracle on leny
14:39<dpkg>somebody said oracle was the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: Debian packages (for Express Edition) available at or apt repository at
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14:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:42<flo_>only one year of dev for the next stable release
14:43<faheem>fanen: consider using postgresql instead.
14:43<abrotman>fanen: do you really need oracle? the apt repo only has oracle-xe last i looked
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14:44<faheem>the express thing is fairly useless
14:44<abrotman>that's why i was asking :)
14:44<faheem>various limitations...
14:44<faheem>abrotman: quite
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14:45<faheem>and regular oracle is insanely expensive, not packaged for debian, and a royal pain to install.
14:45<abrotman>eh .. it's not that bad
14:45*Xenguy wonders if postgresql is getting ready enough?
14:46<abrotman>for what most people use oracle for .. more than enough
14:46<faheem>Xenguy: postgresql is in quite good shape
14:46<faheem>abrotman: color me biased.
14:46<Xenguy>but there are probably features that aren't there yet? (just asking, as I have no real experience at all with these enterprise databases)
14:46<faheem>as of 8.4.
14:46<abrotman>faheem: i like pgsql .. i'm just saying that for most things it's more than ready
14:46<faheem>Xenguy: yes. but the reverse is true as well.
14:47<faheem>there are things in pg not in oracle.
14:47<faheem>depends how specialised your needs are
14:47<faheem>Xenguy: eg array_agg
14:47<faheem>talk to people on #postgresql. they'll be more than happy to tell you all out it. :-)
14:48<Xenguy>faheem: tx for the feedback
14:48<faheem>out -> about
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14:48<Xenguy>(time to do the dishes ;-)
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14:53<do0ob>my laptop's lcd brightness controls have become unreliable in linux
14:53<do0ob> ACPI: Failed to switch the brightness
14:53<do0ob>sometimes it works perfectly right from boot, at other times it just doesn't work
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14:54<do0ob>it seems to be related to suspend to ram, although i haven't found the exact relation
14:55<do0ob>hm.. /proc/acpi/video/VGA/LCD/brightness:<not supported>
14:55<do0ob>how do i re-initialise acpi?
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14:56<do0ob>ah, a bug in 2.6.30
14:56<do0ob>ok, time to downgrade to old faithful (2.6.29)
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14:57<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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14:57<faheem>do0ob: impressed. how did you figure out it was a 2.6.30 bug.
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14:57<do0ob>faheem: i found a post on the arch linux forums
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14:57<faheem>do0ob: i see. google is handy
14:58<do0ob>well i guess its still in 2.6.31 according to the last post
14:58<faheem>do0ob: how do you know it is not in .29?
14:59<do0ob>faheem: well one of the users said it, so i'm going to downgrade and see
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14:59<do0ob>just finding it in the repos
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15:08<roys1012>!w ams
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15:11<stealth-destruction>What's up!
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15:23<peej>do wireless mice and wireless keyboards "just work" like normal ones in linux (if they work in MS windows)?
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15:29<abrotman>peej: they should
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15:32<chealer>peej: it depends on whether there's a driver for them. it's not just a kernel question.
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15:33<peej>ok. So I guess I'll have to check the model.
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15:36<faheem>peej: what is the interface? USB? something else?
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15:38<peej> - see the pics
15:38<peej>that's the dutch version of ebay
15:39<peej>looks like usb and ps/2, both
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15:41<faheem>peej: what are you using, though?
15:41<royal>please,ask for ubuntu?
15:41<faheem>or are you trying to decide whether to buy it?
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15:43<faheem>peej: in mean, what interface are you using?
15:43<faheem>in -> I
15:43<do0ob>if i boot to windows and then back into linux then the brightness controls work
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15:44<peej>I have no desktop box at the mo. Wondering whether to get it, and also wondering generally about if they need special drivers.
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15:45<faheem>peej: i'd just trying googling for debian and the model. also, try a hardware forum - not debian specific.
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15:45<faheem>linux hardware forum i mean
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15:46<faheem>comp.os.linux.hardware used to be quite helpful, though I don't know what it is like these days.
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15:46<faheem>if you want to be safe, go with a standard model.
15:46<faheem>logitech is quite good.
15:46<peej>by standard model you mean = wired?
15:47<faheem>hmm, i see you are using logitech
15:47<faheem>peej: no, i mean a standard manufacturer.
15:47<faheem>i haven't used that exact model, but i'd say that you are unlikely to have problems with logitech.
15:47<faheem>i use logitech myself. it's quite popular.
15:48<faheem>if you want to be safe try googling around for the model.
15:48<peej>ok, so it is probably a good bet that it should work. and the cool thing about ebay and such is that if it turns out incompatible, I can always flog it off at about the same price.
15:48<faheem>though if you haven't used wireless mice they can be a bit of a pain to keep charged
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15:49<hazard3>where is the domain name info kept?
15:50<faheem>hazard3: what domain name info?
15:52<hazard3>like hostname.domain.whatever, the domain.whatever bit
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15:53<faheem>hazard3: on a typical debian machine? /etc/network/interfaces
15:53<faheem>unless you are getting the info via dhcp
15:53<faheem>if you want the ip addess - /sbin/ifconfig
15:53<faheem>address, sorry.
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15:54<hazard3>I'm not entirely sure, all I know is that I told this machine the domain name during install, usually I don't
15:54<hazard3>and it for some reason is confusing the DHCP server into not giving it an entry in the local domain
15:54<hazard3>which makes it so other machines can't do ping <hostname> and find it as part of the domain
15:54<faheem>hazard3: i'd change /etc/network/interfaces suitably
15:55<faheem>is your dhcp server supposed to be providing the ip address?
15:55<hazard3>Its pretty generic, all it does is set the interface for dhcp (like its supposed to)
15:55<faheem>also check /etc/resolv.conf
15:55<hazard3>that's being generated correctly from DHCP also
15:55<faheem>hazard3: hmm. try grepping /etc ?
15:55<faheem>check /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname?
15:56<hazard3>yup, yup, they look fine
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15:56<hazard3>its possible its a problem with debian, though that's....unlikely
15:56<faheem>hazard3: ok. try grepping.
15:56<faheem>unless someone else has a better idea
15:57<faheem>for the domain name, i mean
15:57<hazard3>nobody else seems all that talky :)
15:57<faheem>hazard3: comes and goes. it's the weekend.
15:57<hazard3>grep command that you have in mind is...?
15:57<faheem>cd /etc; grep -r domain_name *
15:58<faheem>something like that. i'm not much good with shell myself
15:58<hazard3>Nothing that wouldn't have been there anyway
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15:58<hazard3>though, actually, what I'm now starting to think is that its a problem with the dhcp server itself (also running debian)
15:59<faheem>hazard3: could be. can you check on what traffice it is sending?
15:59<hazard3>DHCP server's log registers the request/ack/release part, but isn't registering updates with bind9
15:59<hazard3>(which it *DOES* for all the other machines in the network)
15:59<faheem>hazard3: out of my knowledge set, i'm afraid
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15:59<faheem>hazard3: that does sound odd. is this a new installation?
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15:59<hazard3> too...which is why this is all shoestringed together :/
16:00<hazard3>is which? the server of the client?
16:00<hazard3>Yea, sorta.
16:00<hazard3>No yea, it is a new machine.
16:00<faheem>you say you entered the domain name during installation?
16:01<hazard3>Its also virtual, bridged onto the network--but its GETTING IP addresses from the DHCP server, so it dosen't appear to be a problem with its virtal-ness
16:01<hazard3>yes, I usually don't, since until reciently I didn't really have a domain
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16:01<Gold24> /etc/hostname
16:01<Gold24>might be what you're looking for
16:02<hazard3>Gold24, has the hostname, exactly like it should (no domain part)
16:02<faheem>hazard3: have you checked the setup at the server end for the machine in question?
16:02<faheem>how did you auth the client?
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16:02<hazard3>though DHCP, it dosen't really auth anything
16:02<faheem>hazard3: i see
16:02<faheem>so nothing special about this machine?
16:03<hazard3>all machines on the network that don't have static host declarations in the DHCP server's configuration get addressess from a pool, which isn't authenticated at all
16:03<hazard3>nothing special, aside from its the only debain machine on the network that's part of the dynamic address pool on the server
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16:04<hazard3>(the server itself, is static, and a few NFS booted machines have static DHCP assignments)
16:04<hazard3>its also special in that it isn't working :P
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16:04<faheem>so the client in question can't get on the net at all?
16:05<hazard3>its on the NET, but it isn't being registered as part of the domain by the server
16:05<faheem>hazard3: hmm. i
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16:05<faheem>hazard3: i'd suggest a more specialized networking forum.
16:05<hazard3>which I think is equally likely to mean that there's something screwy in its DHCP client settings, or the server just dosen't like it :S
16:06<faheem>hazard3: possibly. unfortunately my knowledge of networking is extremely limited
16:06<hazard3>thanks for trying anyay :)
16:06<faheem>hazard3: sure
16:06<faheem>networking can be a pain
16:07<hazard3>yea, espeically since certian aspects of some things seem to be so simple they're not written down anywhere
16:07<faheem>sometimes dhcp server can be configured to check for certain things, especially hardware addresses
16:08<faheem>which is why i asked about auth
16:08<hazard3>Indeed, and the settings in the server do have some static entries, but this machine isn't one of them
16:09<faheem>hazard3: ok
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16:09<abrotman>/etc/hostname and /etc/mailname
16:09<hazard3>don't have /etc/mailname
16:10<abrotman>what problem are you trying to solve ?
16:11<hazard3>a particular computer, getting its address from DHCP isn't having its name listed in the bind9 domain with the rest of the ones on the network
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16:12<faheem>hazard3: thought of trying a bind9 ml?
16:12<hazard3>no, not really, not actually that important, its just...anoying
16:12<abrotman>there is a #dns on freenode
16:13<hazard3>besides, I'll eventually figure it out, or...not.
16:13<faheem>there is also a #networking on freenode
16:13<faheem>currently 231 nicks listed
16:14<faheem>probably a better place to take this - since it might not even be a linux issue
16:14<hazard3>possible, I'll go haunt them, and maybe #gentoo too, since they seem to have answers for...everything
16:15<faheem>hazard3: they might look at you funny if you aren't actually using gentoo :-)
16:15<hazard3>(well with an average of ~940 in the channel, somebody usually knows something)
16:15<hazard3>Who says I'm not? besides, if I phrase the question right, it dosen't matter what system I'm running if I know what the differences are)
16:15<abrotman>hazard3: there is a larger #debian on freenode
16:16<faheem>abrotman: really?
16:16<abrotman>yes .. much larger
16:16<hazard3>ohhh...ook at that, its ~#gentoo sized
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16:16<faheem>i thought the offical channel was here.
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16:17<babilen>faheem: The channels used to be at freenode. I guess a lot of people have not switched yet, or are just happy there.
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16:17<faheem>babilen: i see. i'll keep that in mind.
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16:17<hazard3>yea, almost 3 times the people :)
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16:17<faheem>yes, i remember it was on freenode
16:17<abrotman>there are lot more other non-debian channels on freenode i guess
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16:18<faheem>abrotman: you seem around a lot. are you an op on this channel?
16:19<abrotman>faheem: /msg chanserv access #debian list
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16:20<hazard3>hehehe abrotman's in both :)
16:20<abrotman>hazard3: many people are
16:20<faheem>abrotman: i see
16:21<hazard3>well, I'm going to go bash my head into a different wall for some other unsolveable problem, later
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16:47<michael>buona sera
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16:48<Guest329>cerco lista
16:48<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:51<Guest329>cerco lista
16:52<locklace>dpkg: tell Guest329 about list
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17:32<sraun>I need to know something about swap space - I'm setting up a new system w/ three drives - hda (120GB), hdb (500GB) and hdd (20GB). IIRC, I've got 1GB of RAM, but might have 512k.
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17:33<sraun>The 20GB is on a different cable/controller - I'm going to put swap on it. How much of it should I make swap?
17:33<sraun>System will be mail & web server, also a few mailing lists. No X.
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17:34<buda>boa noite
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17:34<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:35<Guest330>good night
17:35<locklace>sraun: you might have 512k of ram?
17:35<Guest330>linux forever
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17:35<locklace>i hope not
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17:36<sraun>Maybe - it's fairly old system. I _think_ I got it up to 1GB at some point, I'm pretty certain I'm not past that.
17:36<sraun>I'd have to go query the BIOS to be certain.
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17:37<locklace>it will probably be obvious if you have 512k or less, since your system will have been manufactured in 1979
17:37<sraun>I was just reading - from what it says, I'd probably want 1GB of swap.
17:37<ozzle>Hi, how do I enable HTTP as a registered socket transport stream in PHP
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17:38<sraun>You're right - 512MB. Sorry about that. I was thinking .5 GB and missed an interval.
17:38<locklace>anyway, swap = twice the size of your ram is sufficient, so just stick it on hda or hdb
17:39<wolfdart>hi! anybody know why the file /etc/groups dont have a user? only the groups! then i cant remove a pendrive permission to one user.
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17:41<sraun>thanks! Thinking about it, I'm contemplating trying to get my mail spool on hdd.
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17:41<wolfdart>i need remove the permission to mount pendrives, but the file /etc/groups have no user, only groups.
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17:42<locklace>you probably get to dive into policykit hell then. good luck
17:42<wolfdart>i will google it
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18:07<geekcom>hi peoples
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18:25<iTux_76>(sorry for my bad English, I am French)
18:26<iTux_76>I would like to install Debian on my Mac mini, and I have an error when I choose te mirror of Debian.
18:27<krlmk>and what kind of an error?
18:28<krlmk>but you know, you can switch to log terminal under ctrl+F4?
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18:29<krlmk>and see there some clues?
18:29<iTux_76>ctrl+F4 don't work :(
18:29<krlmk>and don't worry about the English :)
18:30<iTux_76>The installer says that the mirror is corrupt.
18:30<krlmk>doesn't(it is "it", third person). um, alt+ctrl+F4
18:31<iTux_76>sorry ^^
18:31<krlmk>maybe it is really corrupt? Which one do you use?
18:31<krlmk>it's nothing ;)
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18:31<iTux_76>I have try all server in France and two in America
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18:32<faheem>iTux_76: maybe the installer is screwed up
18:32<faheem>did you run an md5sum check on the iso?
18:33<faheem>are you saying the installer reports a bunch of different mirrors as corrupt?
18:34<krlmk>didn't he choose the mirror manually? // maybe mirrors, maybe packeges lists
18:35<krlmk>hi faheem!
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18:38<faheem>krlmk: hi
18:39<iTux_76>The cd is burned from one friend, i can't test the iso
18:39<faheem>iTux_76: the iso might be on the cd itself.
18:39<faheem>and if you know which web site it is from, on that web site.
18:39<faheem>iTux_76: which mirrors does it say are corrupt?
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18:41<krlmk>he said already which ones...
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18:42<krlmk>first one works for me, a package with list of software is alraight
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18:42<krlmk>does the installator have ping?
18:43<iTux_76>The iso is download from whith BitTorrent
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18:43<iTux_76>how can I ping ?
18:43<krlmk>um, did you checked the log console?
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18:45<iTux_76>the log says "ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2447MHz)"
18:45<krlmk>can you copy&paste it to me on priv?
18:45<krlmk>have wireless?
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18:46<krlmk>dou you know, what it means?
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18:47<iTux_76>Sorry, I don't know
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18:48<iTux_76>the screen is full whith this message
18:48<krlmk>heh, me too :) some kind of connection problem
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18:49<krlmk>so, do you need a mirror at all?
18:50<iTux_76>I don't know ^^ What is the function of the mirror during the instalation ?
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18:52<krlmk>nothing special
18:52<krlmk>unless you have a netinstall cd
18:53<krlmk>to which you need an any mirror to install the goods
18:54<krlmk>but you have your friend on-lie, don't you?
18:54<iTux_76>My friend isn't on-line
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18:55<iTux_76>if I don't need a mirror, I can pass the step ?
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18:56<krlmk>... if your cd is burn to the sides...
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18:57<krlmk>if it's not -- it means problems
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18:58<krlmk>have anyone good inet radio? Digitally imported is so...
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18:59<iTux_76>How I return to the graphical interface ?
19:00<krlmk>and what is _iTux by the way? ...
19:00<abrotman>f7 ?
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19:01<krlmk>yeah, f7... but the installation maybe...
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19:02<krlmk>... too meny f1 during mine installations.
19:02<iTux_76>I have a black screen, he says "Trying to enable the frame buffer ...
19:02<krlmk>hi abrotman
19:03<abrotman>uh hi ?
19:03<iTux_76>(process:1462): INFO: kdb-mode: setting consolle mode to Unicode (UTF-8)
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19:04<krlmk>didn't have any with framebuffer
19:04<krlmk>did it show up on the installation screen?
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19:05<cesurasean>where does xinetd output errors on lenny?
19:05<krlmk>oh, and it says, the keyboard mode was set to utf8, nothing special, unless you make something bla, bla, bla
19:05<azeem>cesurasean: don't cross-post, please
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19:06<iTux_76>I have found (it is F5)
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19:07<krlmk>no, it's rather character encoding
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19:09<cesurasean>azeem, why not answer my question instead of complaining about how I ask it?
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19:09<krlmk>i don't speak French... but I can read it straight :-)))
19:09<azeem>cesurasean: because I don't answer cross-posted messages, and a lot of others do not, eiher
19:09<cesurasean>you can keep that to yourself then.
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19:14<krlmk>hi azeem
19:15<iTux_76>I did it !! The installer go to the next step(s)
19:15<krlmk>heh :-)))
19:16<iTux_76>I might not have problems later?
19:17<krlmk>I would like to hear it :)
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19:18<krlmk>have some problems with my isp and lan neighbours, or...
19:18<krlmk>oh, and if you have any with internet connection -- type dhclient
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19:20<krlmk>but maybe someone knows... does the dhpc specifies the port of the local dns?
19:21<azeem>krlmk: what do you mean with "port"?
19:21<krlmk>port of a ip address
19:21<iTux_76>II disabled the dhcp server in my modem. But I have entered the usual manual setup (a different ip and dns usual)
19:21<azeem>krlmk: what do you mean exactly?
19:22<krlmk>ok, ok, moment
19:23<krlmk>when I type inet connection manually, I have a problems with dns -- pinging by IP address works, and by host name(e.g. doesn't work
19:24<azeem>what does that have to do with ports?
19:24<azeem>in general, it is up to the DHCP server configuration whether it provides a DNS server address or not
19:24<azeem>(and up to the client to use it, I guess)
19:25<krlmk>I checked the configuration after runnig dhcp client and it was same, as I typed
19:25<azeem>which configuration?
19:25<krlmk>so I figured out, that maybe the port is different, then default
19:25<azeem>well, don't figure stuff out
19:25<azeem>ask your real questions
19:26<krlmk>configuration of the router(mine)
19:26<krlmk>the router is mine
19:26<azeem>why would the configuration of your router change when you are running dhcp client?
19:26<krlmk>ok, wait
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19:29<simonrvn>gain understanding first, then figure things out. going about it the other way is going to make you run around in circles.
19:29<krlmk>I have problem with my isp. When, on linux, I ranned dhcp client, everything works, but if I type gateway, mask, mine ip address and dnses manually, my net does not work
19:29<azeem>krlmk: so probably you typed them wrong
19:29<krlmk>I checked rfc and it not says anything about port of the dns
19:29<azeem>or forgot something
19:29<krlmk>in dhcp configuration
19:29<azeem>because the port is well-known
19:30<krlmk>can't type it on the installation... other way then ip:port
19:30<azeem>which installation, type what?
19:30<iTux_76>There is driver for Atheros wifi card in the default instalation of Debian ?
19:30<dpkg>Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <ath5k> or <ath9k> for stable wireless LAN chipset drivers; <ar9170usb>, <ar9271> or <ar5523> for wireless drivers under development. The non-free <madwifi> driver was removed from Debian post-Lenny. Ask me about <atl1>, <atl2>, <atl1e> or <atl1c> for Ethernet adapter drivers.
19:30<azeem>krlmk: I don't understand your sentence
19:30<krlmk>oh, great
19:30<krlmk>me neither
19:30<azeem>you say "can't type it"
19:30<azeem>you don't say what "it" is
19:31<dpkg>it has been said that !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade
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19:31<iTux_76>I have a PCI Express card ...
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19:31<iTux_76>So he don't work with Deban ?
19:32<krlmk>and i'm stuck with simple pci <_<
19:32<azeem>krlmk: if you don't have further questions, I'm going to bed now
19:32<krlmk>good night, azeem.
19:32<iTux_76>good night
19:32<iTux_76>What is GRUB ?
19:33<krlmk>so, where is your bed?
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19:33<krlmk>GRand Unified Bootloader
19:33<mib_xqft3g>u know fortran
19:34<krlmk>I'm kinda cold...
19:34<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
19:34<krlmk>go to bed at 8pm.
19:35<krlmk>Not without the some drugs. But hej, it's...
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19:35<iTux_76>The installer would like to write GRUB in boot sector. But he says that if I have an other system in my computer, I can't boot in ...
19:36<iTux_76>I have Mac OS X
19:36<iTux_76>I choose Yes or Not ?
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19:36<krlmk>of course not...
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19:37<krlmk>but can wait
19:37<krlmk>does it write your Mac?
19:38<krlmk>(yawh) blaid
19:38<iTux_76>Sorry, I don't understand your last sentence
19:39<krlmk>nothing, just...
19:39<krlmk>I'm getting sleepy. Weird.
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19:39<krlmk>ehh, ok. Did the installer said, you have a Mac?
19:40<bighornram>anyone else having problems with some gnome panel icons not being transparent?
19:40<krlmk>the GRUB.
19:40<krlmk>gnome panel problems?
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19:41<iTux_76>He says he not found an OS on my hard drive
19:41<krlmk>on-the-line, ondelin, ondlain, ondln, ond -- end!
19:41<krlmk>bad luck
19:41<azeem>krlmk: if you can't write coherently, please stop giving advice to others
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19:42<iTux_76>Then I choose No, he ask me to choose the locate of grub.
19:42<bighornram>just upgraded to squeeze, i have the gnome panel transparent. mail-notification icon has a white background. i find reference to this searching but no solution. relates to gtk
19:42<krlmk>iazeem... you're not asleep?
19:42<krlmk>and didn't help me :-> oh, I'm ok.
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19:43<brunner>where are the resolution settings stored on my hard drive? I want to use unison to keep my home directory on two different computers in sync, but they have two different screen solutions as one is a laptop, and one is a desktop.
19:43<azeem>you weren't able to ask a sensible question
19:43<bighornram>gtk eggtrayicon.
19:43<krlmk>the question was straight -.-
19:43<krlmk>and the answer was too simple.
19:44<krlmk>iTux, iTux, where are you?!
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19:44<iTux_76>On my keyboard ?
19:44<krlmk>Fine, me too.
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19:44*iTux_76 s very tired
19:44<krlmk>on mine -- on mine. You don't minde?
19:45<iTux_76>Here it is 01:44 am
19:45<azeem>krlmk: 01:41 < azeem> krlmk: if you can't write coherently, please stop giving advice to others
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19:45<krlmk>yes, yes... time to sleep.
19:46<adb>krlmk, STOP IT
19:46<iTux_76>I want to complete the install
19:47<krlmk>I don't know how to boot Mac.
19:47<azeem>krlmk: THEN DONT HELP
19:48<iTux_76>A mac use a special partition for the EFI (a BIOS equivalent)
19:49<iTux_76>There is possible to store GRUB on the partition where is stored Debian?
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19:50<krlmk>really late... 1:49...
19:52<krlmk>well, yes
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19:53<krlmk>just type the partition?
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19:53<brunner>what's the easiest way to remotely cause a computer to power up?
19:54<Hideo>call your slave
19:54<iTux_76>for install on the partition 3 : I type /dev/hda3 ?
19:54<krlmk>the trick with the sticks? Huhhhhh, it's pretty cold here.
19:54*krlmk went for a walk
19:55<brunner>Hideo: thanks. I'm not sure why I didn't think of that.
19:55<brunner>isn't there some way to cause a computer to come back from standby using a modem or ethernet?
19:56<brunner>I thought I remembered a BIOS setting way back when
19:56*krlmk is back
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19:56<krlmk>The socks are wet.
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19:56<krlmk>so, did I miss something? :D
19:56<krlmk>ok, ok -- I'm fine.
19:57<brunner>wake on lan! that's what it was called!
19:58<krlmk>dough! Charlie,
19:58<brunner>I want to wake my laptop up every 24 hours so it can sync my home directory
19:58<iTux_76>for install GRUB on the partition 3 : I type /dev/hda3 ?
19:58<bighornram>Here is an screenshot showing mail-notification. Gnome panel icon has white box, is not transparent as the rest of the icons are. Really I can't be the only person having this issue!
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19:59<krlmk>yes... yes, yes!
19:59<iTux_76>fatal error !
20:00<krlmk>oh no!
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20:00<iTux_76>it is maybe I have a SATA disk ?
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20:01<krlmk>Wasted. -.-
20:01<Silicium01>I was transferign a large file from server via sftp. computer froze so i had tor estart and it's done half way, is there a way for me to continue?
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20:01<krlmk>I didn't mean to write it to hda3...
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20:02<krlmk>go to an any other console(alt+ctrlf1-6)
20:02<krlmk>and try
20:02<krlmk>fdisk -l
20:02<krlmk>but it may won't work.
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20:05<iTux_76>fdisk says "WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda' ! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted
20:06<krlmk>it says, you should format your partition, it's a
20:06<iTux_76>GUID is se for boot Mac Intel (mbr for a PC)
20:06<krlmk>dead end.
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20:07<krlmk>well, I think the answer is to setup a boot from the Mac.
20:08<krlmk>and how to set up a boot for linux on the Mac?
20:08<krlmk>let's find out :)
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20:09<iTux_76>Sorry, I don't understand.
20:09<krlmk>:) what's wrong?
20:09<jjj3>hi guys, what's the "proper" way to modify linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64? i want to disable CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED*
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20:09<iTux_76>I have search on the web and I found that :
20:10<iTux_76>"Pour l’installation de GRUB, il va vous indiquer qu’il n’y a aucun autre système d’exploitation et que par conséquent vous devriez l’installer sur le MBR. Nous n’allons pas faire ça. Répondez non et dîtes lui de s’installer au début de la partition racine qui devrait être /dev/sda3."
20:10<bzed>iTux_76: whats so hard to understand onthat error message?
20:10<krlmk>jjj3: recompile?
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20:10<bzed>iTux_76: fdisk can't handle that disk, use parted.
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20:10<krlmk>and parted use to format? ...
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20:11<bzed>krlmk: formatting has nothign to do with fidsk or parted.
20:11<krlmk>really? I had use parted only to format disk...
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20:12<bzed>krlmk: parted is able to do it, but there is no need to use it
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20:12<krlmk>GNU (Free Software Foundation) program to create, destroy, resize and copy PC disk partitions.
20:12<bzed>krlmk: to format a partition, the proper mkfs tool is enough
20:12<iTux_76>the cd is auto-eject
20:12<krlmk>no, men! Go away! :D
20:12<iTux_76>I reboot
20:13<krlmk>... and --
20:13<krlmk> stay...
20:13<krlmk>... and –
20:14<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
20:14<iTux_76>No bootable device --- insert boot disk and press any key
20:14<iTux_76>Fail :(
20:14<krlmk>not to write BGRUB down on 3...
20:14<krlmk>the hda..
20:14<krlmk>whisp :(
20:15<krlmk>deaaaGZZZT !!
20:15<krlmk>How's your Mac, Tuc?
20:15<iTux_76>I thik GRUB aren't install
20:16<iTux_76>a Mac mini
20:16<krlmk>fine —
20:16<krlmk>— does?
20:17<krlmk>Mac mini?
20:17<krlmk>The Mouse Firmware? :-x
20:17<iTux_76>I try to install GRUB, the other partition are not break
20:17<krlmk>no, wait...
20:17<iTux_76>I use a standart PS/2 mouse ^^
20:17<krlmk>oh, that's good.
20:18<krlmk>I bought trackball lately.
20:18<iTux_76>What is lilo ? a GRUB like ?
20:18<krlmk>It should work with... 3D, but it's not.
20:18<krlmk>LInux LOader?
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20:19<iTux_76>I try to install lilo
20:19<krlmk>have seen it
20:19<krlmk>don't know how it works
20:19<krlmk>but it rather work.
20:20<krlmk>and here goes?
20:20<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
20:20<krlmk>... I see...
20:21<Xenguy>do you?
20:21<krlmk>does anyone knows what llib-ra... Ry?
20:21<jjj3>krlmk, yea sorry.. recompile, i just want to change something in .config
20:21<krlmk>jjj3: I don't know.
20:22<iTux_76>I can't install a loader whithout reinstall :(
20:22<jjj3>one would think xenguy would know ;)
20:22<krlmk>but it won't!
20:23<Xenguy>fine, you're /ignored - problem solved
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20:24<krlmk>here it goes: I am a problem! :D
20:24<krlmk>too fast?
20:24<krlmk>too... You know, don't you :>
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20:24<krlmk>tooo... uff.
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20:25<krlmk>Tux, my brother!
20:25<krlmk>It's time to...
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20:25<krlmk>... you know what :>
20:26<Killing_Frost>Alright. How do I backport to ripit version 3.7.0 from 3.8.0? aptitude install ripit=3.7.0 isn't working.
20:26<krlmk>... wonk ouy ebyam ro[SYSTEM FAILURE]
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20:28<iTux_76>I install what kernel ?
20:29<iTux_76>I can choose 2.6-486
20:29<Silicium01>I have a 5 megabit connection, but rsync displays transfer rate at 800 kB/sec . Are thsoe kilobits or kilobytes?
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20:30<Silicium01>Killing_Frost, so the transfer is really slow right?
20:31<Killing_Frost>It's always in bits, since it may be using different byte parameters during data xfer, like E71 or N81.
20:31<Silicium01>if I have a 5 megabit connection, and rsync shows 800 kilobits then it's 1/7 th of speed
20:32<Silicium01>Killing_Frost, or could it be the rsync processing data and maybe ftp transfer would be faster?
20:32<Killing_Frost>8000Kbps is 8Mbps.
20:33<Silicium01>Killing_Frost, it shows me 827.23 kB/s
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20:34<Killing_Frost>Gripe at your ISP.
20:35<Silicium01>speedtest showed that I have 6 mbit connection, which is what I should be getting
20:35<Silicium01>so it must not be my isp, is there a way to troubleshoo this?
20:35*Killing_Frost gripes at his ISP all the time for getting 100Kbps out of his 786Kbps connection.
20:36*Killing_Frost wonders how the F to backport to a working copy of ripit.
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20:49<rabidweezle>Anyone know of another msn messenger client? Pidgin seems to not be working for msn anymore
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21:06<ladoga|banaani>i just got myself a mouse with a tilt wheel
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21:07<ladoga|banaani>but i couldn't get tilt buttons to work
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21:08<ladoga|banaani>all tutorials require use of /dev/event?
21:08<ladoga|banaani>but i have only mouse0 handler there
21:09<ladoga|banaani>what creates there event handlers?
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22:34<rjm>I'm building a debian live cd using live-helper, how can I skip the initial "Press f1 for help, or ENTER to boot", and have it simply autologon as it does beyond that point?
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22:36<matias3d>hello, for all !!
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22:40<rjm>err, I think I found a timeout for syslinux which gets it past that (if anyone wanted to know, ha)
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22:51<deniz>how do i cross out text in
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22:59<bobneedshelp>I had an older (intel p4) computer that died on me and I recently put a new Athlon X2 together to replace it however the OS doesn't seem to boot. are there some boot commands I can supply in GRUB to get a console?
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23:00<ichdasich>bobneedshelp: init=/bin/bash ?
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23:05<bobneedshelp>should everything except for X work? i don't have any custom compiles
23:08<sney>bobneedshelp: it's probably just confused about the location of the root drive, booting with a livecd and doing the fixmbr dance should fix it
23:08<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
23:09<bobneedshelp>it starts to boot but hangs "waiting for root filesystem"
23:09<bobneedshelp>i dont think it is the MBR
23:09<sney>ok look
23:10<sney>grub works based on the hard drive configuration of your specific computer
23:10<sney>if you change motherboards, chances are good that grub's config won't work anymore
23:10<sney>so, "fixmbr" AKA "reinstall GRUB" will solve that problem
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23:11<bobneedshelp>but the kernel boots, what has GRUB got to do with that?
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23:11<bobneedshelp>also, no cd drive so livecd is impossible
23:11<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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23:13<sney>any bootable media can act as a substitute for a livecd. there are plenty of bootable linux distros that run on a USB stick or a memory card, for instance. All you need is chroot.
23:14<bobneedshelp>i'll give it ago but didn't think ide0 would change with mobos, wouldn't the kernel be "not found" by GRUB?
23:14<sney>even if it's not a GRUB issue, booting a livecd/substitute and chrooting into your system is the best way to diagnose and fix configuration issues that prevent a complete boot.
23:14<sney>if reinstalling GRUB doesn't fix it I recommend looking at /etc/fstab next.
23:15<jrabbit>also check your gru configs
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23:35<bighornram>Is Rhythmbox not included in the gnome desktop environment anymore?
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23:51<jjj3>does anyone know how i could modify 2.6.26-2-xen kernel to disable something in .config ?
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